[Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.

Steven Atkinson sm.atkinson at comcast.net
Fri Aug 3 15:57:20 UTC 2018


You go Rob!  I agree with you 100%!

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From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob via Jobs
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 11:29 AM
To: Jobs for the Blind
Cc: Rob
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their
fair share.

Then there are people like me. I don't want to prove anything to anyone. I
don't need to. I know my worth, and if somebody doesn't want to value me,
that's their problem. I aim to be nothing more than comfortable. I don't
need to leave a mark on the world, and I have no problem living in
obscurity. I'm not defined by my job. If putting screws into little baggies
earns me enough to keep me in coffee beans, great, let's have at it. Not
that I would go for a job like that, just saying. I'm not interested in
advancing the so called blind or disabled experience, I'm only interested in
living my own life and acting in my own rational self-interest.

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Sollars via Jobs <jobs at nfbnet.org>
To: "'Jobs for the Blind'" <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Robert Sollars <robertsollars2 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 08:15:44 -0700
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their
fair share.

> That truly can't be accomplished until everyone, employers and disabled
alike, begin to think out-of-the-box as to what we can do and are willing to
accomplish.
Unfortunately, many able bodied blind people wish for nothing more than to
put screws into little baggies...which is fine, other than the fact it
reflects the stereotype of disabled people everywhere...and far too many
employers.
People need to look at the FOX News personality, Charles crowdhammer, now
gone RIP, and what he accomplished after being paralyzed from the neck down
50 odd years ago, prolific best-selling author, news analysist, married, and
too many other things to mention here.
Just my quarter cent worth.
Robert
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From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Albert Rizzi via Jobs
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 8:06 AM
To: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
Cc: Albert Rizzi <Albert at Myblindspot.org>; Jobs for the Blind
<jobs at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their
fair share.

it is not legal, but if we reflect on the historical perspective of such
things, we all have to prove ourselves, unfortunately, prior to seeing any
reasonable advancements toward true equality.



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From: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 11:02 AM
To: Albert Rizzi <Albert at Myblindspot.org>
Cc: Jobs for the Blind <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their
fair share.

But disability is equivalent to race and orientation and religion and
gender. It is simply another factor about an individual. Women are perceived
to be less productive than I remembered. We are paid considerably less on
average than our men. And this is illegal! Why should it be legal to pay
those of us with disabilities less than others for our time? The question is
 are we paid for the number of widgets we produce Christmas or are we being
paid for our time? Karen

> On Aug 3, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Albert Rizzi <Albert at Myblindspot.org> wrote:
> 
> Karen,
> 
> And if these people are not productive and earning their wage should they
even be hired? I worked in a program where many of the consumers had mild to
severe mental health issues. Managing people is a daunting task without
having to be a trained mental health clinician on top of managing a
production line. But there are a significant number of able bodied
individuals that are both able to work and manage their
conditions/diagnosis.
> 
> That being said, I do believe in equal pay for all. However, what do we do
in those instances, where our community is being told to volunteer to prove
our worth and value, when instances like these may, or may not be coloring
employers opinions of ability based upon a collective perception on
disability?
> 
> Would it make things any more palatable if there were mentoring or
internship programs, that started out at a basic wage, helping these
individuals socialize and integrate into the workforce, rewarding them based
upon merit that takes into account the management of their
diagnosis/condition, helping them and the employer succeed?
> 
> The subpar wages do not work, paying people more without a plan does not
work, and many of us capable of holding a job, and climbing through the
ranks are penalized because neither the employer or, in many instances, the
worker are "disability ready" to position Ability alongside race, gender,
orientation and religion in both our social and corporate cultures.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Karen Rose via Jobs
> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 1:38 AM
> To: Jobs for the Blind <jobs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid
their fair share.
> 
> Dave Dash what youre missing is the fact that these people have the same
bills that we all have. They do not get a segregated grocery store with
lower prices. If they work than they deserve to be paid at least the same
minimum wage is every other worker. Otherwise it is called  slavery.
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2018, at 9:51 PM, Dave via Jobs <jobs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Michael,
>> 
>> Read the article, and the author seems to be a bit bias on the side of
>> the Employees.    And I can see this, but when it comes to disabilities,
>> the range of Ability is wider than what is found in the population 
>> without disabilities.
>> 
>> The ranks of the disabled can range from the person who needs 
>> constant help and supervision, to the person who out works even those 
>> said to be Normal.
>> 
>> For about a year, I worked at a Sheltered Workshop.  We had all kinds 
>> of people with a wide range of ability.
>> 
>> I knew several people, who could not stay focused upon the task given 
>> to them, and the Floor Supervisor had to remind them multiple times 
>> about staying focused.  One guy had next to Zero productivity because 
>> he couldn't stay focused.
>> 
>> Are you saying these people who do not give a Full Day's productivity 
>> should be paid at least minimum wage?
>> 
>> If you do, would you be surprised if the Employer never hired another 
>> low productivity employee?
>> 
>> Grumpy Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
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