[Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.

Michael Peterson itsmike2011 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 4 14:28:29 UTC 2018


                I don’t want to be a kill joy here butlooking back to Dick’s message two days ago,  how does this discussion pertain to what this list does more then a discussion about the pro’s and con’s of the Randolph shephard business enterprise program  with someone who was trying to learn about the job. In the former case even if he couldn’t do anything with the information he might use some of it to choose a state that will train him and if he is in a position later he might influence decisions to standardize the program, in the latter case this is information concerning advocacy pro’s and cons of sheltered workshop disabled workers but other than stimulating a discussion and cluttering wood-be employers in-boxes how does this discussion relate to blind people on this list obtaining work? In fact the murky area regarding which disabled persons can’t actually work but need a supported work environment might confuse employers rather than help them hire us.  We get in to “reasonable accommodation vs sheltered work that allows people to feel productive which are two different things. 

 

Note I’m not saying the article shouldn’t be shared and in fact I shared it on Facebook after reading.

I’m simply talking about consistency regarding how to know which topics to discuss or not on and off the employment list.

Also, a part of me wants to join in hereas you can see in some of the above statements,  I have opinions and experience too but I was weighing my desire to advocate views against what Dick posted a few days ago.

I have no ill will against those who have done this and points and counterpoints all seem to have merit but how many employers will be unhappy with flooded email? So I’m urging all of us myself included though I’m leaving myself open here, Let’s be consistent.

 

We need to keep the subject matter if we can limited  to our employment needs, job mentoring questions  and job listings directed to blind job seekers  for purposes of this list—at least that’s what it felt like Dick was trying to say in his post.

I apologize and I stand corrected If it turns out I am  wrong. I’m not a list policeman just a user like most of the rest of you.

Have an awesome day!

Mike P

 

 

From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Robert Sollars via Jobs
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 1:56 AM
To: 'Jobs for the Blind' <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Robert Sollars <robertsollars2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.

 

That would be nice if all employers had that approach.

Robert

 

From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> > On Behalf Of Karen Rose via Jobs
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 11:46 PM
To: Jobs for the Blind <jobs at nfbnet.org <mailto:jobs at nfbnet.org> >
Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net <mailto:rosekm at earthlink.net> >
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.

 

Well I am severely – the one totally – blind. Severity of disability at least in terms of blindness would seem to have nothing whatsoever to do with employment. Karen


On Aug 3, 2018, at 10:48 PM, Ericka via Jobs <jobs at nfbnet.org <mailto:jobs at nfbnet.org> > wrote:

I can see your point Karen as someone who is a believer and someone being as independent as possible and has us both social work and special education credits to my name. He does have a good point however. I’m not a big fan of sheltered workshops, believe me. But there are people who are living in group homes and do not have the same bills we do. The money they receive mostly comes from SSI and they get a “allowance“ that they can spend. Yes we are talking about adults here. Then there are people who are in supported housing which is an apartment that caters to many times the elderly and more able cognitively challenged. They still have a caregiver comes in and helps but it’s not like they are not given some independence. They do pay for their own food and clothing for example. But they do not buy their groceries alone or go to their doctors appointments independently probably it all depends on the person.

 

As much as I would like to believe every disabled person what are blind or not can live independently, I know that this is not true. Not every person with mental health issues is able to live independently either. It all depends on severity
For some it also depends on whether they want to be independent and follow their medication plans. This could happen with everybody, my alcoholic/schizophrenic cousin would be gainfully employed and off the stuff because he’s gotten treatment. In honesty we would like to see him in prison so he learns that hitting his 66-year-old aunt because she won’t take him to a bar is not appropriate behavior for a 38-year-old.

 

Ericka Short

 

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