[Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.

Steven Atkinson sm.atkinson at comcast.net
Sat Aug 4 17:33:47 UTC 2018

This is Steve and I will put in my 2 cents as usual.  I have worked for three different employers since I lost my eyesight at age 31 during 2001.  I worked a mortgage customer service job that I feel like I was good at performing, but I did not like the job because the calls were difficult in the way that I could not help the customer or could anyone else since they could not make their mortgage payments and I felt sad/sorry for them.  My other job was with a major credit card company that I eventualy really liked a bunch once I got moved to the right position and then was part of a large lay-off.  I just lost my internet auto sales job because I was not receiving internet leads for me to work the way I feel like I would have been good at doing.  I would like to get another internet auto appointment setting job/position, but most auto dealers will not hire me since I don’t have a drivers licence.  I was about ready to give up on job hunting until this morning when a manager at an auto dealership I interviewed for gave me something to look forward to if I can wait for the position to open.  I have been on internet job sites all week and as frustrated as I was and still am, I realized that there are many people with perfect eyesight going through the same thing as I am right now.  I know that if I had my perfect eyesight back I would have no problem locating my next position, but that is not happening for me so I either need to be o.k. with not working again or just keep on keeping on.  I wish the best for everyone who wants to work and the best advice I can give to myself or anyone else is to not give up.  




From: Jobs [mailto:jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael Evers via Jobs
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 12:32 PM
To: 'Jobs for the Blind'
Cc: mevers421 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.


I think that this discussion serves to educate wood be blind employees to the realities of the real world and how it works.  Finding and keeping a job as a blind person is often a difficult process, not to mention an exhaustive one.  It also serves to educate people on the differences between finding a job and having a career.  Anybody can get a job, but achieving a career takes persistence, tenacity and perseverance.  




From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Peterson via Jobs
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2018 9:28 AM
To: 'Jobs for the Blind' <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael Peterson <itsmike2011 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.


                I don’t want to be a kill joy here butlooking back to Dick’s message two days ago,  how does this discussion pertain to what this list does more then a discussion about the pro’s and con’s of the Randolph shephard business enterprise program  with someone who was trying to learn about the job. In the former case even if he couldn’t do anything with the information he might use some of it to choose a state that will train him and if he is in a position later he might influence decisions to standardize the program, in the latter case this is information concerning advocacy pro’s and cons of sheltered workshop disabled workers but other than stimulating a discussion and cluttering wood-be employers in-boxes how does this discussion relate to blind people on this list obtaining work? In fact the murky area regarding which disabled persons can’t actually work but need a supported work environment might confuse employers rather than help them hire us.  We get in to “reasonable accommodation vs sheltered work that allows people to feel productive which are two different things. 


Note I’m not saying the article shouldn’t be shared and in fact I shared it on Facebook after reading.

I’m simply talking about consistency regarding how to know which topics to discuss or not on and off the employment list.

Also, a part of me wants to join in hereas you can see in some of the above statements,  I have opinions and experience too but I was weighing my desire to advocate views against what Dick posted a few days ago.

I have no ill will against those who have done this and points and counterpoints all seem to have merit but how many employers will be unhappy with flooded email? So I’m urging all of us myself included though I’m leaving myself open here, Let’s be consistent.


We need to keep the subject matter if we can limited  to our employment needs, job mentoring questions  and job listings directed to blind job seekers  for purposes of this list—at least that’s what it felt like Dick was trying to say in his post.

I apologize and I stand corrected If it turns out I am  wrong. I’m not a list policeman just a user like most of the rest of you.

Have an awesome day!

Mike P



From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Robert Sollars via Jobs
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 1:56 AM
To: 'Jobs for the Blind' <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Robert Sollars <robertsollars2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.


That would be nice if all employers had that approach.



From: Jobs <jobs-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Karen Rose via Jobs
Sent: Friday, August 3, 2018 11:46 PM
To: Jobs for the Blind <jobs at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Jobs] It's time for people with disabilities to get paid their fair share.


Well I am severely – the one totally – blind. Severity of disability at least in terms of blindness would seem to have nothing whatsoever to do with employment. Karen

On Aug 3, 2018, at 10:48 PM, Ericka via Jobs <jobs at nfbnet.org> wrote:

I can see your point Karen as someone who is a believer and someone being as independent as possible and has us both social work and special education credits to my name. He does have a good point however. I’m not a big fan of sheltered workshops, believe me. But there are people who are living in group homes and do not have the same bills we do. The money they receive mostly comes from SSI and they get a “allowance“ that they can spend. Yes we are talking about adults here. Then there are people who are in supported housing which is an apartment that caters to many times the elderly and more able cognitively challenged. They still have a caregiver comes in and helps but it’s not like they are not given some independence. They do pay for their own food and clothing for example. But they do not buy their groceries alone or go to their doctors appointments independently probably it all depends on the person.


As much as I would like to believe every disabled person what are blind or not can live independently, I know that this is not true. Not every person with mental health issues is able to live independently either. It all depends on severity
For some it also depends on whether they want to be independent and follow their medication plans. This could happen with everybody, my alcoholic/schizophrenic cousin would be gainfully employed and off the stuff because he’s gotten treatment. In honesty we would like to see him in prison so he learns that hitting his 66-year-old aunt because she won’t take him to a bar is not appropriate behavior for a 38-year-old.


Ericka Short


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