[Jobs] Employer Frustration....

Michael Peterson itsmike2011 at gmail.com
Tue Aug 7 21:47:34 UTC 2018

                Dianne how are you sure it’s not talked about?

Your making an assumption that in all or most cases sighted people who don’t show up are not talked about. Truly it depends on the situation and possibly the kind of position one is applying for.

I have worked for several companies and can all most guarantee you if someone came and acted the way it is described this individual did especially if money time and perhaps even manpower was set up to entertain or help the employee was snubbed there would be talk and most likely that candidate would not get another chance at that company for quite a while perhaps in time with new managers not familiar with the occurance.


If fact it’s even possible if companies hiring the person were in the same field word might leak through to them about the employees past conduct and a potential promotion choice might be impacted at least.

If employers check facebook and twitter posts from years gone by don’t be surprised if sometimes what you do at an interview for a job you decide you don’t want might impact the job you do want sighted or not.

Mike P


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I am sure sighted people don’t show up for job interviews, tours, or jobs all the time, but it is not talked about.   We are held to different standards than the rest of the world.  No, I do not feel this is right.  Like I stated it might not have been professional, but the company should try to hire another blind person if they wish and get past it.  My theory is if they do not wish to put the job position out here because of what one person has done supposedly because their again we do not know the person’s side of the story, then they have issues of their own because every person is different.


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This issue and the job applicant’s poor work etiquette has nothing to do with blindness. 


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Honestly, I don't think it matters why this individual didn't show.  In my opinion, there is absolutely no excuse for conducting yourself in that manner.  I'm embarrassed for this individual and I had nothing to do with the situation.  I completely agree with Dick on this...it is unfortunately a poor reflection on the blind community.  If we want to gain ground in the area of employment for the blind, we can't be treating employers in this manner.  Blind or not....it is unprofessional and disrespectful...regardless of their "excuse".  

To Carli (if you are reading).....I'm sorry you were treated in this manner.  Please know that many of us would never think of conducting ourselves in this way.  


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Well, calling someone out publicly to shame him/her is also a bit unethical. 


The following is also unprofessional since the person states she did not speak directly to the person and therefore may not really know why the individual did not show: 

“Low and behold, after getting ahold of one of his personal references from his application, we were informed that he “could not believe that he would not have the common courtesy to inform us that he accepted a job elsewhere.””

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Dear Members of the Jobs and Rehab Listservs,


I wanted to share with all of you this note that I received from Carli Metze of Keystone, one of the employers that attended our 2017 Job Fair.  Please read it.  They went to a lot of effort to provide an employment opportunity for an individual who just never showed up because he got a different job.  


What a bum thing to do!  When anyone treats an employer this way, they make us all look bad. Blind people have a difficult enough time getting jobs without this.


On behalf of the NFB, I want to apologize to Karli, Christina, and Keystone for the way they were treated.  And if you are still on this list, individual who treated them this way, time to apologize! 


Dick Davis, Chair
NFB Employment Committee


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From: Carli Metze <mailto:cmetze at KeystoneBlind.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 12:46 PM
To: Dick Davis <mailto:ddavis at blindinc.org> 
Cc: Cristina Hittle <mailto:chittle at keystoneblind.org> 
Subject: Employer Frustration....
Importance: High


Good afternoon, Dick!


I wanted to reach out to you on behalf of our organization. 


As you know, Keystone has career opportunities at this time under a Federal Contract to staff a mailroom contract in Western, PA. The application process in itself is quite lengthy and invasive as it requires the applicant to not only undergo a State Criminal background check, credit check and drug testing, but also a Federal Background investigation. The federal background check is what is called an “SF86” which is a lengthy 137 page document that dives into the applicants life history including address history, education, employment, military histories, marital status history, a list of individuals to verify each portion of the information provided, relatives, foreign contacts, psychological & emotional health, police record, financial record, technology usage, non-criminal actions and terroristic associations, to name a few items on the check.


We offer each candidate an opportunity to come tour our facilities, meet staff and employees, provide relocation assistance, transportation assistance, and many other options.


The purpose of my email is to bring to your attention that we recently had an applicant get through the pre-vetting portion of our hiring process, who showed extreme interest in the position. So much interest, that he planned a week-long tour here in Pennsylvania. It takes our entire agency working together to plan a site-tour, as there are many people involved, and different strategies set in place to make this a smooth operation for an individual to come and meet with us to ensure this opportunity is the best fit for them. The applicant had laid out full details of his visit with us, and we prepared the extensive tour for him. He was to arrive in Pennsylvania on Sunday, August 5th. He told us which hotel he would be staying at, and that he would be bringing a friend with him. 


Come Monday morning, I had not heard from the applicant at all. I began to worry. I called his phone number and left several messages, we called the hotel he was to be staying at. The hotel informed us that there was no one there by that name, nor was there a reservation made in that name. Our agency began to panic, thinking something was wrong, or something terrible happened. 


Low and behold, after getting ahold of one of his personal references from his application, we were informed that he “could not believe that he would not have the common courtesy to inform us that he accepted a job elsewhere.” 


I guess I wanted to share the frustration with you on how hard we work as an agency for one individual to obtain employment here under this federal contract, and that this applicant did not have the decency to even return a call or email to let us know he was no longer interested. It is very disheartening to go through such a tedious process, to get left in the dust with no inclination of his decision.


I hope this doesn’t happen to other employers or agencies, although I am sure it does. If this was a simple hiring process, I don’t think we would mind so much. But considering we go above and beyond for everyone we come into contact with- it was a hard blow. I am not sure if this individual is a part of the NFB Job site or not….


Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. 



Carli Metze

Human Resources Assistant 

3056 East State Street

Hermitage, Pennsylvania 16148

E| cmetze at keystoneblind.org <mailto:cmetze at keystoneblind.org>     W| www.keystoneblind.org <http://www.keystoneblind.org/> 

P| 724.347.5501 x.229   F|724.347.5060



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