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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>My son is a little older than Jason, Susan's son,
and is already in his 3rd year of college. So I just wanted to add on to
what Susan said. I do agree with all she said.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's important that kids learn how to use a Victor
reader or stream and how to learn through audio books. However, technology
is moving so fast and becomes obsolete so fast, that looking back on my
experience with my own son, I would not have him spend time using a
Victor. I would advise any older blind teenager to not spend their own
money on a Victor but rather to put that money towards an iphone5 and learn how
to use an iphone5 really well. In this way, they can start college being
able to facebook, email, skype, and text, which are all critical skills for any
type of social interaction at college. And equally important, with an
iphone you can upload books and textbooks instantanously from Learning Ally
or Amazon or wherever. The Victor was wonderful a few years ago; my advice
is move forward and get your teenager an iphone and make sure they learn how to
use every feature and app.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Jill</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=sepolansky@verizon.net href="mailto:sepolansky@verizon.net">SUSAN
POLANSKY</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mdpobc@nfbnet.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:05
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mdpobc] Question of the
day</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Trudy</SPAN></DIV>
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style="RIGHT: auto"><FONT size=2>I don't have much to add as Karen,
Wendy and Jill have very effectively expressed my thoughts. Jason had all
Braille through Middle School although in <SPAN
id=misspell-0><SPAN>resource</SPAN></SPAN> time with his <SPAN id=misspell-1
class=mark>TBVI's</SPAN> they did work on learning the Victor reader and
Stream. Books for the Reader and Stream were not school books, they were for
pleasure reading and learning to use the technology. I was told by Jason's
<SPAN id=misspell-2 class=mark>TBVI's</SPAN> that since in advanced grades and
college some books will be audio the students need to be proficient in
learning by listening. Technology is changing so much of that. Jason does some
audio but tends to blue tooth his Braille Note to computer or <SPAN
id=misspell-3 class=mark>iPod</SPAN> [what ever the book is on, he has not
used the Stream or Reader for years] and reads using the <SPAN
id=misspell-4><SPAN>refreshable<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR></SPAN></SPAN>
Braille. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Susan <BR></DIV>
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face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Trudy <SPAN
id=misspell-5 class=mark>Pickrel</SPAN>
<tlpickrel@hotmail.com><BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Maryland Parents of Blind Children
List <mdpobc@nfbnet.org> <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:48
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Mdpobc]
Question of the day<BR></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">They said there were some that used Audio
books<BR><BR>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Trudy <SPAN id=misspell-7 class=mark>Pickrel</SPAN>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">President Md Parent Blind Children. </DIV>
<DIV>301-501-1818</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://www.tlcbythelake.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.tlcbythelake.com/</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Wendy <SPAN id=misspell-8
class=mark>Nusbaum</SPAN> <<A href="mailto:wendynusbaum@yahoo.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:wendynusbaum@yahoo.com">wendynusbaum@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Trudy</DIV>
<DIV>I thought of one more thing. If they want reading to be "enjoyable"
does that mean for everyone? Are the print readers getting to use
audio books if they don't like to read print?</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Wendy </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><BR style="RIGHT: auto"></DIV>
<DIV><FONT style="COLOR: #333333"><I>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G <SPAN
id=misspell-9 class=mark>LTE</SPAN>
DROID</I></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>Trudy <SPAN id=misspell-10
class=mark>Pickrel</SPAN> <<A href="mailto:tlpickrel@hotmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:tlpickrel@hotmail.com">tlpickrel@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Thank you all. Wonderful words to take to <SPAN
id=misspell-11 class=mark>IEP</SPAN> next week. <SPAN id=misspell-12
class=mark>Ahhhh</SPAN>. Hate that it always feels like me against
them</DIV>
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<DIV>Wendy. </DIV>
<DIV>Love that. If not proficient in Braille he is basically illiterate and
they will be responsible for that.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Wendy<BR><BR>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Trudy <SPAN id=misspell-13
class=mark>Pickrel</SPAN>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">President Md Parent Blind Children. </DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">301-501-1818</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><A style="RIGHT: auto"
href="http://www.tlcbythelake.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.tlcbythelake.com/</A></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto"><BR style="RIGHT: auto">On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:33
PM, Wendy <SPAN id=misspell-14 class=mark>Nusbaum</SPAN> <<A
href="mailto:wendynusbaum@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:wendynusbaum@yahoo.com">wendynusbaum@yahoo.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Trudy</DIV>
<DIV>I agree with Karen. Our kids have to be proficient in Braille before
audio books become the standard. </DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">With that said now that Chris is in HS he is
working from one audio textbook. Mainly because the edition he needed was
not available in Braille. I did not fight this because I have been told by
college students that they wished they had done more audio learning in HS
since many of their textbooks had not been available in Braille.
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<DIV>Basically they have to be good at both but Braille should come
first. Tell them if he is not proficient in Braille he is basically
illiterate and they will be responsible for that.</DIV>
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<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Wendy </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="COLOR: #333333"><I>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G
<SPAN id=misspell-15 class=mark>LTE</SPAN>
DROID</I></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR><BR>Karen <SPAN id=misspell-16
class=mark>Frech</SPAN> <SPAN id=misspell-17 class=mark>Herstein</SPAN>
<<A href="mailto:hersteink@hotmail.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:hersteink@hotmail.com">hersteink@hotmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR><BR>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto" dir=ltr>Hi Trudy,
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">I would want my child to be fast and proficient
with Braille before I would let him/her use <SPAN id=misspell-18
class=mark>adible</SPAN> books. I would want my sighted child to be
proficient in reading print before he/she used <SPAN id=misspell-19
class=mark>adible</SPAN> books. My daughter "loves" to read books and she
did not use <SPAN id=misspell-20 class=mark>adible</SPAN> books unless
Braille was not available. Braille <SPAN id=misspell-21
class=mark>wasavailable</SPAN> almost all the time.</DIV>
<DIV>Good Luck!</DIV>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">Karen <SPAN id=misspell-22
class=mark>Herstein</SPAN><BR><BR>
<DIV style="RIGHT: auto">> From: <A href="mailto:tlpickrel@hotmail.com"
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:tlpickrel@hotmail.com">tlpickrel@hotmail.com</A><BR>>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:48:00 -0500<BR>> To: <A
href="mailto:mdpobc@nfbnet.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:mdpobc@nfbnet.org">mdpobc@nfbnet.org</A><BR>> Subject:
[Mdpobc] Question of the day<BR>> <BR>> So last night at parent
teacher conference I find out that they have been allowing our son in six
grade to do all <SPAN id=misspell-24 class=mark>audiobooks</SPAN>. Reason
why I don't know. The language arts teacher said will you please consider
allowing him to do this after I stated that this was concerning to me.
Because he says he wants reading to be enjoyable. Excepting all thoughts
on this. <BR>> <BR>> Mine is No. Must have Braille under fingers. If
their concern is slowness and enjoyment the only way to get that is with
repetition. <BR>> <BR>> What is your thoughts<BR>> <BR>> Trudy
<SPAN id=misspell-25 class=mark>Pickrel</SPAN><BR>> President Md Parent
Blind Children. <BR>> 301-501-1818<BR>> <A
href="http://www.tlcbythelake.com/" rel=nofollow
target=_blank>http://www.tlcbythelake.com/</A><BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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