<div dir="ltr">I loved reading all your comments to Trudy's question. In fact I cut & pasted them into a Word document & shared it with the TVIs in Fairfax County VA where I teach. I think I'll also send it to the parents of one of my students, who want their advanced placement 3rd grader to be able to use audio & do her work orally because she reads braille slowly. It's been very frustrating! I feel the way you all do about keeping her hands on the braille! Thank you.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Kyle Richmond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Kyle.Richmond2009@comcast.net" target="_blank">Kyle.Richmond2009@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial">Although Dezman makes a really good point and using
audio books as an adjunct to braille is certainly useful, I would advise any
parent of a blind student NOT to mention this at an IEP meeting... just saying
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<div><font face="Arial">Jill </font></div>
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<div>Great point Dezman. <br><br>
<div>Trudy Pickrel
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<div><br>On Nov 14, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Dezman Jackson <<a href="mailto:djackson@BISM.org" target="_blank">djackson@BISM.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">I
would say that if braille reading speed is an issue, using the audio books
as an adjunct to braille could be useful in that he would read along with
the audio book to get his mind and fingers accustomed to a normal
speed. However, in no way allow the audio to be provided in place of
braille, braille, braille! I also think that it’s much easier to
expand ones vocabulary when dealing with the written
word.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Dezman<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bernadette Jacobs<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 14,
2013 5:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Maryland Parents of Blind Children
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ever try a cookbook on tape??? That'll cure the
audeo-book thing, for sure!!! When I'm cooking in my kitchen, I have
my Braille book spread out on my dining room table opened to the recipe and
I can simply run back and forth to read over it with my fingers. Now,
with a book on tape, it probably would take hours and hours to rewind
something to the ingredient or set of instructions and I simply would find
that intolerable!!! <br><br>Braille doesn't require batteries.
It doesn't crash. It's so much easier when you wish to look up a given
passage or statement with the Braille under your fingers. If you need
the correct spelling of a word, it's so much easier when it's under your
fingers. Need any more reasons for Braille??? After all, I'm
speaking here, from the voice of experience and have been for some 50
years. Went K-12; then to college; and till the day I die
Honey!!! Got Braille all over my house and as much as Virginia hates
me to do it, I make sure she keeps up her skill as well. Go
BRAILLE!!! Bernie<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/13/2013 10:50 AM, <a href="mailto:dpws@aol.com" target="_blank">dpws@aol.com</a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Personally I agree that braille under fingers is very
important. As the child progresses in school, he or she needs to
learn the proper spelling of words, sentence structure and punctuation.
That can only be learned from reading books, not listening to them.
These skills are imperative in high school, college and the working
world. Furthermore, many books are now available for download onto
Braille notetakers and computers with braille displays so the school can't
say they take up too much room now! It is fine to want reading to be
enjoyable so hopefully the teacher encourages required reading outside of
the coursework allowing students to pick something of interest for them.
This would be a great time for the use of audio
books.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As your son moves to high school and college, he will
need to become proficient in the use of audiobooks for cousework; but make
sure that braille is available as much as possible. My son used
braille as his primary preference all the way through college because he
liked being able to refer back to passages and found them easier to find
in braille than on audiobooks. He also enjoyed reading to himself
much more than listening to the audiobooks because they honestly bored him
to sleep.<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good luck and keep advocating!<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM:12pt" class="MsoNormal">Cherlynn Venit (mom to
David Rissling-Venit)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><pre><tt>So last night at parent teacher conference I find out that they have been <u></u><u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt>allowing our son in six grade to do all audiobooks. Reason why I don't know. The <u></u><u></u></tt></pre>
<pre><tt>language arts teacher said will you please consider allowing him to do this <u></u><u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt>after I stated that this was concerning to me. Because he says he wants reading <u></u><u></u></tt></pre>
<pre><tt>to be enjoyable. Excepting all thoughts on this. <u></u><u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt><u></u> <u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt>Mine is No. Must have Braille under fingers. If their concern is slowness and <u></u><u></u></tt></pre>
<pre><tt>enjoyment the only way to get that is with repetition. <u></u><u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt><u></u> <u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt>What is your thoughts<u></u><u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt><u></u> <u></u></tt></pre><pre><tt>Trudy Pickrel<u></u><u></u></tt></pre>
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