[musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
Brandon Keith Biggs
brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
Fri Dec 13 06:23:54 UTC 2013
Hello,
What she meant was bring in some recordings and if you have it print
music. It doesn't matter that they can't read it, it looks really
daunting to a sighted person to be handed something they can't read.
(Really it is daunting to anyone).
Then if you start pulling out big words like articulation, tempi,
quarter notes, half notes, rests, repeats, da capi, codas, trills and
octave marks, it will sound like you know what you are talking about,
and most of the people who don't play music will think you are really
serious. If they do know music, it should be very easy to convince them
you need music, so there is nothing to worry about.
Thanks,
Brandon Keith Biggs
On 12/12/2013 10:14 PM, marissa wrote:
>
> Allright. I will let you know.
>
> I don't have any music at all, so I don't know how I'm supposed to
> bring in pieces. Plus, no one can read music except my Science
> teacher, and I'm not sure if she'll even be there.
> Actually, I do have one piece, I just remembered. It is the music
> notation for Michael Jackson's "Bad" but is only the notes, like
> 1m: d f d f
> 2m: d d d f
>
> Probably got that wrong. lol But you get the idea.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 01:06:51 -0500
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Regardless of who is there, your IEP is about you, not what is
> necessarily best or easiest for the school or your band director.
> Whoever is there should understand why you're bringing this up; it is
> logical, and band is a subject you're taking too. As far as not
> knowing braille music, you had to use regular braille in order to
> become proficient in reading it, just like sighted students needed to
> use print in order to become better readers. If they try to say that
> braille music would be a waste of time if you don't know it, tell them
> that it you will never learn if you don't get the exposure and
> practice reading it. It's really more like the other subjects than
> most of the non-musical administrators in charge of this kind of stuff
> realize. The trick is getting them to recognize that at least to the
> point where it is written into your IEP and the band director is a
> little more on board.
>
> Another tactic you might consider is to bring in some pieces you are
> playing in band right now, or even just talk about them a bit. Do
> they have fast runs? Is it difficult for you to hear which
> articulations to use? Do you feel like you are unable to play to your
> full potential? I'm guessing these are all yes answers for you, so
> bringing up these points should really drive it home that you want to
> be more involved in band, and that this one hitch in not having
> propper materials is what is really holding you back. You definitely
> have the capability of playing and performing as well as any sighted
> student in your class, but the difference is that everyone else has
> their music and you don't. That is a huge difference. Imagine if
> other kids in the band did not have music to play from; the band would
> not be able to function. A band needs everyone to play and contribute
> their part, so they need to give you the music in order for you to do
> so.
>
> Good luck at your meeting tomorrow. I hope it goes well, and let us
> know what happens on the music front.
>
> On 12/13/13, marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> **makes puppy dog face** lol That'd be funny.
> I'm not sure who'll be there. It is my trianual IEP. Um, I
> think one of my VI aids will be there, some teachers, the
> principal (I think or maybe the assistant principal) my case
> carrier, and someone who's in charge with the Special Ed
> department and apparently is in charge of me too. lol
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:25:43 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hello,
> Just say you are in band and in order to continue learning and to
> advance to an equal level as your sighted class mates, you must
> have the
> Braille music. Playing by ear is not cutting it and you are
> really
> loving band, but you feel like you are being left behind.
> If that wording doesn't give the administrators a heart attack I
> don't
> know what will.
> Just know you are entitled to getting Braille music weather you
> know
> Braille music or not. There is no way they can get around it.
> If they
> try fighting you, just say it says in the ADA that you need an
> equal
> opportunity with your sighted class mates and without Braille
> music, you
> are laughably behind them.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 12/12/2013 2:00 PM, marissa wrote:
> I have an Iep tomorrow, and I will try to bring it up, but I
> don't
> know what the apropriate time would
> be to bring it up
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:19:19 -0500
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hi Marissa,
>
> The fact of the matter is that your band director is obligated
> to do
> something to get you the materials you need. As it stands now,
> you
> are not being given an equal opportunity to participate in your
> band
> class, and that is illegal.
>
> I'm assuming that you are given the materials you need for other
> courses. Band should not be different. If your English class
> gets a
> particular book to read, then you should get it in an accessible
> format too; same goes for music. Band directors often do not
> understand this since they rarely come into contact with
> students who
> have needs out of the orm, but it just needs to be done.
> Actually, it
> takes very little effort on the part of the band director. All
> he has
> to do is give you the music as far in advance as possible so you
> can
> get it transcribed and have it to practice. Or, make a
> recording of
> it somehow.
>
> Hadley would be great for you to use, and like NLS it is free of
> charge. I'd recommend finding a braille music tutor, either
> online or
> in person, ,to work with. They will really be able to help you.
> The
> sooner you learn braille music the better off you will be later
> on and
> the easier and more enjoyable music will be.
>
> I had similar experiences in high school; I butted heads with my
> band
> director all four years of high school over this issue. I had
> to do a
> lot of the learning on my own and almost never had music for
> concerts
> because he either didn't give it to me in advance or changed
> pieces at
> the last minute. I was first chair clarinet and had to fake
> playing
> the majority of the time. My skills were not being used; I knew
> I
> deserved to be first chair based on my skill, but it wasn't
> showing
> because I was not given the materials. Going back to the
> English
> thing, that kind of thing is like being asked to write a report
> on a
> book you never got in braille and couldn't read. It was even
> more
> frustrating from my sophomore year onward, because then I
> decided I
> wanted to go into music. My parents were getting tired of
> paying my
> clarinet teacher to teach me band music, when our time together
> should
> have been spent working on ombiture, technique, and learning
> pieces.
> My mom had something put into my IEP stating that I was to be
> given
> all music in advance, and that music courses should be treated
> with as
> much seriousness as the core academic subjects. This might be
> worht a
> shot for you, but even after that my music theory teacher was
> the only
> one to really follow that guideline so someone would need to
> police
> the band director and make sure he follows through. Violating
> an IEP
> looks really bad on a teacher's record, so hopefully he will
> take it
> seriously and put aside some time. Band directors are very busy
> people, but they are not so busy that they can't take at tops
> ten
> minutes a week to figure out what their blind student needs and
> act
> accordingly.
>
> On 12/12/13, marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We only have one phone, and we never really answer it. I do,
> when it's in my room, but not much. Think my aunt'll need to do
> it then.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 22:19:43 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hello,
> Once you fill out the application, they will give you a call and
> talk to
> you about how you would like your subscription to be set up.
> Tell them
> you really want Braille music and they will give you info on
> that.
> For the books though, yes they will send it to your home if need
> be.
> Most of the scores can just be downloaded right from the website
> as a BRF.
> For a much faster process and a more sure way of getting the
> correct
> thing, go to:
> http://www.dancingdots.com/prodesc/currdet.htm
> There you can get your own copy and if they are a little much
> for
> you,
> you can get all the info to tell the NLS guys
> Also for more people who read and study Braille music, Join
> MENVI, that
> is the music network for students, teachers and transcribers.
> http://www.menvi.org/
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 12/11/2013 10:00 PM, marissa wrote:
>
> Do they send it to my home?
> Like is there a thing that says, "Thank you for subscribing?"
> or
> something like that? Or is it just the book?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:48:10 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hello,
> You can contact NLS yourself at:
> http://www.loc.gov/nls/signup.html
> You can fill out the form and if I remember correctly, there is
> little
> if no need for a guardian to sign on it. NLS never contacted
> my
> parents,
> although my mom registered me a very long time ago.
> An Introduction to Music for the Blind Student
> is the name of the "Braille music starter Guide". NLS does
> have
> one
> copy.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 12/11/2013 9:34 PM, marissa wrote:
>
> I live with my aunt and uncel, and I'm trying to get my aunt to
> call
> the NLS for the starters guide to braille music, so I can start
> to
> learn by myself. I haven't heard of anything from my school,
> or
> my
> band director, about any type of way for me to get music and
> for
> me to
> learn it. At parades and stuff, If I don't know my music, then
> he
> just tells me to fake it.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephanie <naturelovingmom at gmail.com
> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:27:39 +1000
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> What do your parents say about this? Can you get support from
> them?
> Steph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
>
>
> But that's the thing, I don't know any braille music. Nothing.
> And I don't think my school would support me getting a braille
> music transcriber anyway.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 20:29:58 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hello,
> If you already know time signatures, note values, key
> signatures
> and
> repeats in Braille, you can go and just get the Bettye Krolick
> Book for
> more advanced symbols.
>
> The Hadley school is not a conventional school, it is a school
> where you
> do assignments on your own and mail the finished work to a
> teacher for
> grading. You can do it all at home. It is free as well, but
> you
> don't
> have as much of a dialogue with your teacher.
> If you already know a little Braille music, I would tell your
> high
> school to get a Braille Music Transcriber, like Bettie Downing,
> and get
> all your band music transcribed. Even if you can't quite
> understand all
> of it, just reading through it will really help you. If you
> had
> a
> teacher like Steph or Sandra, you would advance super fast in
> your
> music. I can't say how much better having private teachers is
> VS
> doing
> everything on your own. For the first 3 years of my music
> major
> I
> learned everything on my own, starting from knowing nothing of
> Braille
> music to memorizing my first several vocal pieces. I've had a
> little
> over a month with Sandra and my whole concept of Braille music
> has
> changed and I really feel like I am just starting to learn
> music.
> Sighted teachers have no idea how to teach Braille music and
> the
> books
> are full of extra tidbits you didn't need to know or things you
> already
> knew about music.
> If you are in 9th grade, get on the Braille music ASAP. You
> will
> be
> thankful later on!
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 12/11/2013 7:28 PM, marissa wrote:
>
> I am already in my school's band and have been for two years
> since
> eighth grade. I am in 9th grade. I know all that info.
> Ambashure,
> articulations, time signatures, rests, beats, counting beats,
> and
> more. My teacher never has time to teach lessons one on one,
> and I
> can't get music in any form, so right now, bands not that much
> fun,
> but it kinda is because of the music.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 21:01:24 -0500
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hi Marissa,
>
> I have played clarinet for the past 9 years and now study it
> in
> college as a music major. Here is what I would suggest.
>
> What grade are you in school? Would it be feasible for you to
> join
> your school's band? This is how I got my start, and it's
> great
> because you have plenty of songs to work on, get to do it as a
> member
> of a group, and have a teacher who can assist you in getting
> the
> music/learning it.
> If not, then I would highly recommend getting lessons of some
> sort.
> They don't have to be from a professional clarinetist at this
> point,
> but even a really good high school or undergraduate/graduate
> college
> student would be able to pinpoint specific aspects of your
> playing to
> work on and give you music that can address these techniques.
> Playing
> melodies is just part of playing the clarinet or any other
> instrument;
> there are articulations, dynamics, and other things that need
> to
> be
> addressed in order for a piece to sound really good. Your
> ombiture
> (the way you position your mouth) has a lot to do with all
> aspects of
> playing, and it can take years to fix if you get into a habit
> of
> doing
> it the wrong way. (speaking from experience).
>
> If you're going to teach yourself music by ear, and learn the
> braille
> music code yourself (both things I have done) here are a few
> tips I
> found worked for me.
> Realize that the notes you are playing on the clarinet are
> different
> from a piano. If you've just picked it up and not had any
> instruction, and checked the notes you were playing on the
> piano, you
> may have thought that the note played without putting any
> fingers down
> on the keys is an F. It is actually a G in clarinet music, so
> just
> realize that although the pitch is an F the note will be shown
> as a
> step higher in any music. Brandon's example of the note Bb
> actually
> being a C (thumb and first 3 fingers of the left hand down)
> was
> also
> correct.
> It is great to start learning by ear, as it really strengthens
> your
> musicianship and pays off in a big way later on if you do it
> long
> enough. The more you do it the better you will get, but it is
> really
> helpful to challenge your ear. Learning in a band and having
> to
> pick
> out your part from others is a really good way to do this. It
> forces
> you to listen to the people around you, which also teaches you
> how to
> blend with others.
> For learning braille music, I primarily used books available
> from NLS.
> Titles included How to Read Braille Music, which has a great
> glossary
> of signs in the back, and the dictionary of braille music
> signs.
> It's
> really tedious to go through the dictionary, but it did a good
> job of
> exposing me to different signs.
> In general, stay away from youtube videos. While learning
> from
> some
> can be beneficial, a lot of the clarinet covers I've found are
> pretty
> bad in terms of tone quality and intonation, and the people
> don't
> usually do a good job of using articulations. Playing things
> for fun
> is fine, but when you're learning it is important that you
> work
> on
> these skills.
> There are also summer programs which are organized similar to
> camps.
> Braille Beats in Lapeer Mi is one, and there are a few others
> around
> the country. I know of a primarily jazz oriented program in
> massachusetts, and I heard of one in Louisiana too. Some
> others
> on
> the list may know of more. These programs are really fun, but
> do
> address braille music along with other music skills.
> Think of finding someone in your area who may know the code.
> I
> worked
> on it with a blind woman I know from my area one summer and
> found it
> to be really beneficial.
> Overall, if none of these things work out, just continuously
> expose
> yourself to the code. The thing that really helped me get
> solid
> in
> reading it was taking a music theory course in my senior year
> of
> high
> school, and the thing that really made the difference was
> reading
> something in the code at least 5 days a week. The more you do
> anything the better your skills will be.
>
> I hope these suggestions help. Feel free to contact me
> off-list
> with
> other questions.
>
> On 12/11/13, marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't want to go to a school, that's the thing. I'd rather
> teach myself.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephanie <naturelovingmom at gmail.com
> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 10:37:36 +1000
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> I know hadley school for the blind also offer braille music
> course, although I'd never taken it.
> Steph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List
> <musictlk at nfbnet.org>eamusictlk at nfbnet.orgeysoft 9.4.
> Date: Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:24 am
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
>
>
> I do not have a computer for skype, or a phone, or a camera,
> Wish
> I did
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stephanie <naturelovingmom at gmail.com
> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 06:27:57 +1000
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hi.
> First of all, the clarinet does sound different than a piano.
> Also, I teach braille music online via skype, feel free to
> email
> info at mitchellpianostudio.com if you want to find out more.
> Good luck with learning the clarinet!
> Steph
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
>
>
> Well, I found that the clarinet and the piano have the same
> sounding notes. I tested it on my clarinet and the keyboard
> at
> my school. I can't read braille music and don't have anyone
> to
> help with that, but I think my aunt is getting me the book
> from
> NLS that teaches braille music.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:04:34 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hello,
> It sounds like you should just be learning any melody lines
> of
> music.
> Just find Christmas songs or folk songs or pop songs and
> play
> them by
> ear. If you know Braille music, you can get the vocal
> scores
> from NLS.
> If you get a teacher, you could start working on more
> difficult
> music.
> But the more difficult music will require that you learn
> Braille
> music.
> Just realize that your clarinet probably sounds a different
> note
> than
> what is written, so if you find music for a piece in the key
> of
> C
> and
> you play it on the piano, it will probably sound on your
> clarinet
> as Bb.
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 12/10/2013 7:40 PM, marissa wrote:
> That's allright. (smiles) Do you know any songs? Meaning,
> do
> you know
> any easy songs on clarinet. I taught myself:
> River Flows in You
> Kiss the Rain
> part of Forever and Always
> part of Hedwig's Theme
> and made up two
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Donahue" <braille at satx.rr.com
> To: "'Music Talk Mailing List'" <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:12:43 -0600
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hello Marissa and everyone,
>
> I used to play clarinet, but it has been over 27 years
> since
> I
> touched one. Sorry I can't be more help.
>
> Mary Donahue
>
> "Be well, do good work, and keep in touch."
> Garrison Keillor
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: musictlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of
> marissa
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:12 PM
> To: Music Talk
> Subject: [musictlk] Does anyone play clarinet?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to know if anyone plays clarinet? I need some
> songs to
> try to
> play.
>
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