[musictlk] New Member Introduction
Ella Yu
ellaxyu at gmail.com
Mon Oct 17 14:31:55 UTC 2016
Hi Mike,
I can tell you that even sighted people probably have a lot of
the same issues you have, and I'm almost certain that the pros go
by muscle memory. Jumps was a problem for me years ago, but not
anymore. You'll probably have to repeat these passages over and
over again.
Ella
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From: Mike Jolls via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org
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Date sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 11:31:19 +0000
Subject: Re: [musictlk] New Member Introduction
Hi Linda
Here are some follow up questions.
Are you saying that when you first start out, you feel for the
black keys to get your bearing, but then after awhile you dont
need that crutch, whereupon your mind just knows how far to jump?
Im assuming to master jumps for any particular assigned lesson
means you have to do a lot of repetition.
Second (assuming the answer to the first question is yes) how
long does it take to acquire this skill? Are we talking weeks, 3
months, 6 months? A couple of years? Im assuming complete
mastery only happens after you are exposed to a very wide variety
of music over several years which require you to make a great
variety of jumps.
Third, before I acquire this skill, how much extra time (in
general) should I expect to add to my practice sessions because I
have a vision issue to contend with? Im already practicing a
couple of hours a day. Im assuming Im going to have to add a
lot of repetitions to practicing these jumps so they do
eventually become automatic. And Its logical to therefore
expect longer practices. Am I talking about adding 20% more time
to sessions, 30% more, etc?? As I say, Im already practicing a
couple of hours a day.
The questions about extra time are not because Im impatient.
Im a guitar player now (have been for the last 25 years) and
Ive figured out how to get around on the neck already. Normally
it takes no more than a couple of weeks to master something, and
thats for something very difficult. Usually a week is all that
is needed. But given the piano is physical different, and it
appears Im going to HAVE to learn to play by feel (which is not
a bad thing) and I see I may have to set a different time
expectation because of this extra skill that has to be learned.
Im just trying to estimate this extra time so I can set a
reasonable expectation .. one that I can be successful with so I
avoid frustration.
Hope this all makes sense. I dont mind working at it. Ive
been wanting to take piano lessons for some years, but didnt
have the time because I was working. Now that Im retired that
opens up the time.
Finally, Linda, yes I was living in Omaha, Nebraska. I now live
in St. Louis, Missouri. Due to the President Obamas policy on
coal, the coal business dried up. The railroad I worked for lost
a lot of revenue in coal shipments and they had to reevaluate
their staffing levels. I was let go as a result of that. That
wasnt completely a bad thing. We wanted to move back to St.
Louis where our families are anyway, so that gave us an excuse.
It just happened a year or two sooner than I expected. That just
goes to show that Presidential policy DOES impact the economy.
And thats something that people need to realize in this election
year. But not to get started on politics, I just want to say Im
no longer in Nebraska. Out of curiosity, where do you call home?
From: Linda Mentink via musictlk<mailto:musictlk at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [musictlk] New Member Introduction
Hi Mike,
Welcome. Let's see. You're on the right track. It's mostly
muscle
memory, so you will get the hang of how far two octaves is.
That's a big jump, and, depending on the fingering, and what
notes you have to play with whichever hand needs to do the
jumping, just practice that hand alone.
I think you live in Nebraska. I'd be more than happy to talk to
you or your teacher if that would help. Please email me off list
if you want to.
Blessings,
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Jolls via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org
To: "musictlk at nfbnet.org" <musictlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 17 Oct 2016 00:11:33 +0000
Subject: [musictlk] New Member Introduction
Hi, My name is Mike Jolls. Im new to the list
Im not a professional musician, but I have a music related
question that I hope someone can answer
relating to the
piano.
Im a visually impaired person taking piano lessons, and the
teacher has said to sight read the music (I do have vision to
sight read print music). And of course, I need to do so without
looking at my hands. Some pieces Im learning have large
jumps. Without looking at my hands, I dont know how far to
jump to hit the target keys accurately and I make a lot of
mistakes if I just try to jump by trying to guess the distance or
do it by muscle memory.
What Id like to know is what techniques do totally blind
people use to know where to go when they have to make jumps of
say two octaves on the keyboard accurately? The teacher I have
has not taught blind people and his answer is
you just
figure it out. But Id like .. if possible .. and answer
that tells me HOW to do this. Ive figured out that if I feel
the black keys as they pass under my fingers, I can (it seems
like most cases) accurately know where Im at and where I need
to stop. This is especially true if Im at one note and have
to move a 5th up or down, or a 4th, etc
I use the feel of the
black keys to know when Im where I need to be. This seems to
be working.
The question, however, is whether this is a good strategy? Do
you eventually, with repetition, develop the ability to quickly
and accurately feel the black keys to know where you are and thus
make the large jumps required? Or, is this method too slow and I
need to abandon it and select a different method? And if so,
what is the method and where do I go to find out about it.
One final thing. How do I locate a teacher that teaches blind
piano students? Call the state school for the blind for
contacts? Other ways?
Any help in this matter would be appreciated. Ive wanted to
take piano for quite a few years and am making progress, but my
teacher (at least in this issue) doesnt know how to advise me.
Perhaps getting a different teacher would be in order.
Thanks in advance.
Mike Jolls
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