[MusicTlk] An idea - what are your thoughts?
Mike Jolls
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Thu Aug 9 15:50:34 UTC 2018
Linda
I totally hear you about playing the piano. Perhaps for the sighted player, a touch screen could be the answer. That way, they can just reach up, tap the screen, and the page turns. They’d have to stop for a second to do that, but any sighted player has to stop for a second to turn the page, so that wouldn’t be any different.
Regarding memorizing, I totally get it. But one goal I didn’t mention was to allow the visually impaired person to sight read. I know it wouldn’t work for everyone. If the notes were big enough, and the monitor was large enough (thus the reference to the 26 inch monitor) the person might be allowed to sight read. Of course if the person found, after trying, that they just weren’t fast enough, then they could go back to memorization. Nothing wrong with that. I’m memorizing that Chopin Nocturne #9 I told you about. What I’m trying to do is to make it easier for the person to play, and lessen the work they have to do. That way, maybe, they’re not FORCED to memorize. But again, you can’t beat memorization if you have the memory for it.
Thanks for the comments.
Incidentally, as I said, writing software to do all of this would be a BIG UNDERTAKING. I haven’t absolutely decided to commit to it yet, although I think I could do it.
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Hi Mike,
Off the top of my head, here are a couple thoughts.
First, using this apparatus for practice would be fine, but I
would think it would be a distraction, both to you and your
audience, should you use it in performances. If you practice
your pieces enough, they'll be memorized, making it unnecessary
to use it for performances.
Second, remember that you need your feet for the piano pedals.
Concentrating on whether to pedal on the piano or your apparatus
would take you away from what you want to express while you play.
Blessings,
Linda
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Hi everyone
I have an idea for a product that could help some people. I
wanted to find out what everyone thought.
First, let me tell you about myself. I’m a visually impaired
musician. I’m very nearsighted. I use a pair of telescopic
glasses to read my music. Due to the magnification I require to
read a standard piece of music, I can only see a measure at a
time. It makes learning the music slow, and if I ever wanted to
just sit down and read and play, it’s almost impossible to do
that in a performance situation. Consequently, with this
experience, I’ve been thinking there has to be a better way.
My idea is to have some software that allows you to read your
music from an electronic file, then render and magnify the music
and display it on say a 26” monitor. The user should be able to
set the magnification level in the software as desired. Plus,
have a footswitch tied to the monitor (probably wirelessly) so
that you just tap the footswitch, and the page advances or goes
back. I’ve been thinking about this for several months and the
technology to do this appears to all be there. The big problem
is having the software that will render the magnified view.
Here’s how it might be accomplished.
1. Scan your music to graphic form
2. Have software that “rips the music” from the graphic form
and converts it to electronic format … maybe XML format (it
appears this is already available)
3. Store the music on a small flash card
4. Have software running on a very small device such as
Raspberry Pi computer which can read the files and render the
music on a 26” monitor which is connected to the Pi.
5. Have a wireless footswitch communicating with the Pi.
6. Have the software recognizes the footswitch clicks, which
are used to turn the pages forward and back.
7. Have the software programmed so that it allows the user to
increase the magnification / decrease as desired and updates the
monitor display.
The Pi is a small device. The footswitch is small also.
Therefore, it could be easily transported to a gig, or to a music
lesson. Or if you’re practicing, you put the monitor on your
music stand or piano and you’re ready to read your music. The
software would allow you to pick which music you wanted to play
from your stored music library. If you were playing a gig, you’d
want to be able select and sequence multiple pieces so you can
move seamlessly from one song to the next.
All of this technology is relatively inexpensive. The software
would be the big undertaking. From what I’ve seen, the only
thing that approaches what I’m talking about is the LimeLighter /
Dancing Dots system, and it’s like $4000. That’s really
unfortunate, because I think it prices a lot of people out. What
I would see is that the software I’m talking about would be a
couple of hundred bucks, plus the hardware the end user would
buy. In addition to the Pi, the monitor, and software, you’d
also need a good scanner. One caveat, however, is that this
software would probably not allow composition. You’d have to use
a different product to write the music, and then export the music
to XML (or other) electronic format. But once created, the
electronic file could be read and rendered.
So again, let me say this would be a VISUAL system. Based on
what I’ve said, would there be interest for such a system? It
would take a tremendous amount of work to do. I’d be interested
in in it. Being a retired software engineer, it’s something I
might be interested in working on for myself. And if others
could benefit, that would be even better.
So, what kind of interest would there be in something like this?
Thanks for listening.
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Hello all,
I?m currently in a lookout for any accessible metronome for iOS.
I was wondering if you use any metronome apps, if any, and would
love to know the ones that are usable with VoiceOver.
Regards
Seyoon
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Hi Seyoon. I do not have an answer but since you brought up
this topic I would like to also piggyback on this post and ask
if there is a good guitar tuning app that would work with
voiceover. Even a very low tech one that just gives a tone for
each string to match to would work fine for my purposes. Could
use a four string bass tuning app also.
Robert
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Hello all,
I?m currently in a lookout for any accessible metronome for iOS.
I was wondering if you use any metronome apps, if any, and would
love to know the ones that are usable with VoiceOver.
Regards
Seyoon
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Hi all,
I am new to this list, but to answer your question about the
guitar, there
are a couple of things that I have done to tune mine. One way
is an app
called talking tuner. I think it is paid but it's been quite
some time since
I got it. You play the note, and it tells you what note you
play. Another
thing I do, is I ask alexa to open guitar tuner or even pitch
pipe, I have
it play a note and I tune it that way.
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Hi Seyoon. I do not have an answer but since you brought up
this topic I
would like to also piggyback on this post and ask if there is
a good
guitar tuning app that would work with voiceover. Even a very
low tech one
that just gives a tone for each string to match to would work
fine for my
purposes. Could use a four string bass tuning app also.
Robert
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Hello all,
I?m currently in a lookout for any accessible metronome for iOS.
I was
wondering if you use any metronome apps, if any, and would love
to know the
ones that are usable with VoiceOver.
Regards
Seyoon
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Hello there,
you can try tempo perfect or SmartMetronome these are very
accessible apps.
Regards
Neil
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I?m currently in a lookout for any accessible metronome for iOS.
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I already had Tempo Perfect on my phone, which I still like to
this day, but realized that it was quickly going outdated The
app developer did not keep the app up to date or something. I?ve
just downloaded SmartMetronome and sounds equally accessible.
Thanks
Seyoon
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