[MusicTlk] [Musical] An idea - what are your thoughts?
Nathaniel Kile
heavens4real at gmail.com
Thu Aug 9 20:56:53 UTC 2018
Hello Bill,
I do not know you, but now I recognize your name. I am a former Sonar user. I have owned two commercial studios and now have a home studio as I work full time. I will continue to share you as a resource for my clients who are pursuing music. I am now a Protools user and do not do many music related things in the Windows world, but I believe that your work is very important.
Regards,
Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision
Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools
Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
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From: BillList1 <billlist1 at verizon.net>
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 10:29 AM
To: 'Nathaniel Kile' <heavens4real at gmail.com>; 'Music Talk Mailing List for Blind Musicians' <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: RE: [MusicTlk] An idea - what are your thoughts?
Thanks for your post, Nathaniel. I am totally blind as well. Earlier today, in my response to Mike Jolls' post, I focused on our solution for people with low vision.
In fact, we do offer a related solution for musicians like me who use braille and speech as primary modes of communication and learning. That suite of software is called GoodFeel and we are just about to announce release of a new version. This new version is the first to be able to offer our talking score feature using screen readers other than JAWS such as NVDA.
Same offer of a no-cost evaluation to anyone interested. Please contact me using my info at dancingdots.com address.
Yes, we do have a Facebook page at www.facebook.com/DancingDotsMusic but I do wish that I had more time to keep it up to date. Still, you might enjoy checking it out.
Bill McCann
President
Dancing Dots
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From: Nathaniel Kile [mailto:heavens4real at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 12:49 PM
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Subject: RE: [MusicTlk] An idea - what are your thoughts?
Hello,
I am completely blind, but this is a good resource to know about. I will pass it around. If you don't, you should make sure to start a face book page.
Nate Kile,
Assistive Technology Instructor, Tech Vision Specialist in Technology/Training/Teaching for blind/low vision/virtual instruction for schools Also Private training to your needs
907-444-3707
Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com
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From: MusicTlk <musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of BillList1 via MusicTlk
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Subject: Re: [MusicTlk] An idea - what are your thoughts?
Hi,
Thanks for sharing your idea. It is a good one.
I do think that most if not all of what you would want to do is possible with Lime Lighter. I invite you to try it for 15 days at no cost. Please write me off-list using my info at dancingdots.com address and I will send you current download directions.
Here is a brief functional description of the Lime Lighter software followed by current purchasing options. You can purchase the software and the wireless pedal for $1,595 and install it on your preferred machine. Customers also now have the option to subscribe to the software on an annual basis for $599 and renew for $299. You can even subscribe on a monthly basis. So, as you can see, your start-up costs are well below $4,000. Again, please see details below.
...
Lime Lighter
Purpose: Allows performers with low vision to read and to write magnified music in an accessible environment. Touch gestures for score navigation and mark-up. Screen of at least 17 inches in diagonal width recommended.
Users with low vision can read and write musical scores using magnification of zoom levels up to 10X; standard or inverted colors; option to color each degree of the scale; optional verbal and musical cues for practice sessions. Music tracks to the user’s eye.
Software titles: SharpEye (music-scanning), Lime Lighter (read/write magnified music notation).
Hardware: wireless pedal for scrolling music hands-free. Some models include all-in-one touch-screen PC’s.
Options for creating scores in Lime format 1. Scores can be imported into Lime as MusicXML, NIFF, or MIDI from programs like Finale and Sibelius.
2. Scores can be scanned with SharpEye or other music OCR applications and results passed to Lime.
3. Score information can be entered manually into Lime using the mouse, PC keyboard, a musical keyboard, or any combination of all three.
Purchasing Options
Option 1
Conventional, perpetual Software License
Price (perpetual license): $1,595 (Liberty model: Software and wireless pedal)
Option 2
Annual Subscription
Annual Subscription: $599 (Hardware sold separately)
Renewal: $299
Option 3 (Hardware sold separately)
Monthly Subscription: $79.99
Details at:
www.dancingdots.com/limelighter/limelightermain.htm
Regards from Dancing Dots,
Bill McCann
Founder and President
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From: MusicTlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Donald Winiecki via MusicTlk
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2018 10:52 AM
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Subject: Re: [MusicTlk] An idea - what are your thoughts?
The 'Lime Lighter' apparatus from *Dancing Dots* seems to have the features you describe, and more.
See the following URL:
http://www.dancingdots.com/limelighter/limelightermain.htm
_don
On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 7:15 AM Mike Jolls via MusicTlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> I have an idea for a product that could help some people. I wanted to
> find out what everyone thought.
>
> First, let me tell you about myself. I’m a visually impaired musician.
> I’m very nearsighted. I use a pair of telescopic glasses to read my
> music. Due to the magnification I require to read a standard piece of
> music, I can only see a measure at a time. It makes learning the
> music slow, and if I ever wanted to just sit down and read and play,
> it’s almost impossible to do that in a performance situation.
> Consequently, with this experience, I’ve been thinking there has to be a better way.
>
> My idea is to have some software that allows you to read your music
> from an electronic file, then render and magnify the music and display
> it on say a 26” monitor. The user should be able to set the
> magnification level in the software as desired. Plus, have a
> footswitch tied to the monitor (probably wirelessly) so that you just
> tap the footswitch, and the page advances or goes back. I’ve been
> thinking about this for several months and the technology to do this
> appears to all be there. The big problem is having the software that will render the magnified view.
>
> Here’s how it might be accomplished.
>
> 1. Scan your music to graphic form
> 2. Have software that “rips the music” from the graphic form and
> converts it to electronic format … maybe XML format (it appears this
> is already available)
> 3. Store the music on a small flash card
> 4. Have software running on a very small device such as Raspberry
> Pi computer which can read the files and render the music on a 26”
> monitor which is connected to the Pi.
> 5. Have a wireless footswitch communicating with the Pi.
> 6. Have the software recognizes the footswitch clicks, which are
> used to turn the pages forward and back.
> 7. Have the software programmed so that it allows the user to
> increase the magnification / decrease as desired and updates the monitor display.
>
> The Pi is a small device. The footswitch is small also. Therefore,
> it could be easily transported to a gig, or to a music lesson. Or if
> you’re practicing, you put the monitor on your music stand or piano
> and you’re ready to read your music. The software would allow you to
> pick which music you wanted to play from your stored music library.
> If you were playing a gig, you’d want to be able select and sequence
> multiple pieces so you can move seamlessly from one song to the next.
>
> All of this technology is relatively inexpensive. The software would
> be the big undertaking. From what I’ve seen, the only thing that
> approaches what I’m talking about is the LimeLighter / Dancing Dots
> system, and it’s like $4000. That’s really unfortunate, because I
> think it prices a lot of people out. What I would see is that the
> software I’m talking about would be a couple of hundred bucks, plus
> the hardware the end user would buy. In addition to the Pi, the
> monitor, and software, you’d also need a good scanner. One caveat,
> however, is that this software would probably not allow composition.
> You’d have to use a different product to write the music, and then
> export the music to XML (or other) electronic format. But once created, the electronic file could be read and rendered.
>
> So again, let me say this would be a VISUAL system. Based on what
> I’ve said, would there be interest for such a system? It would take a
> tremendous amount of work to do. I’d be interested in in it. Being a
> retired software engineer, it’s something I might be interested in
> working on for myself. And if others could benefit, that would be even better.
>
> So, what kind of interest would there be in something like this?
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
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> Windows 10
>
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