[nabentre] supplemental income

Thu Jul 2 11:51:40 UTC 2009

Hi Liz,
For those of us who really want to look into this sort of thing, can you give us some concrete things we can do to investigate an opportunity to see if it's really legitimate? For example, I heard one of these commercials on the radio that sounds like a talk show host about a company that gives away a free CD that tells you how to make all this money in your sleep on Ebay and all of that kind of stuff. Common sense comes to the rescue and tells me that no-one usually gets anywhere without a lot of hard work, but the other side of me says that I need this thing because I can ... fill in the blank: get out of debt, take vacations, spend time with my kids, buy a fancy house, and all of that stuff. Before I pick up the phone and get sucked in, what should I do to check these people out? I guess I'm kind of wondering how you got from hearing that people could make a bunch of money to saying that whatever it is was a scam all in one paragraph. There must be a whole lot of thinking you didn't write down.

Thanks.
J
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz C. Daniels
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:39 PM
To: NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income

You bring up some excellent points Brian.

As a former newswriter and investigative reporter, I've had plenty of
personal experience uncovering more than one of these MLM/pyramid scams; a
scam is a scam is a scam regardless of what you call it.

One more comment I'd like to add, is that with the economy the way it is
right now, all sorts of scams are on the rise; this according to one of my
attorney clients.

Some of these scams are more, "In your face" than others.

For example, one radio ad here in LA-LA LAND says you can earn $10,000 a
week from your computer, and you don't even have to be home or have it on!
How's that for a blatent scam?

Chao!

Liz

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income

> hi,
>
> i admit i don't know all the details but i can tell you i'm not stupid
> enough to fall for that one and a man came to my house trying to pitch
> monavie which tastes just as nasty.
> i never researched it past knowing the guy is stuck paying $160 a month
> for the priviledge of being a distributor and doesn't really make anything
> unless he gets people to come in under his account.
> why would someone spend their time on research after seeing those red
> flags and how the program works?
> Bryan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 2:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>
>
>> Okay, show me how it is a scam.  I am somewhat aware of the product you
>> mention.  However, I have not examined their business plan.  Evidently
>> you have, so tell us about it and how you make or do not make money with
>> it. And lets have specifics, not some general thing like bring others in
>> and screw them.  In other words, how does the product move?  How are the
>> pay checks issued and how do you earn the pay check?  Brian, you need not
>> love a particular form of business.  You may prefer to do business
>> another way. I'm sorry if you have had a bad experience with some mlm
>> company.  Chances are pretty good however that you have also had bad
>> experiences with a franchise or corporate type store.  Many, if not all
>> of us, can point to bad experiences with a telemarketer or 12.  But that
>> does not make the entire industry a bad thing.  You and LIz both sound
>> very bitter and closed on this issue.  I'm curious as to why this is.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Loren Wakefield
>>
>> "The best way to predict your future is to create it."  Dr. Forrest C.
>> Shaklee
>>
>> www.shaklee.net/ultimatehealthwithtlc
>>
>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>
>>
>>> how many times or ways do i have to say it?
>>> more power to a legit operation but the deals like the noni juice i
>>> described are mlm scams.
>>> Bryan
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Bob Clark" <bobclark4 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:10 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Lorin:
>>>>
>>>> You are wasting your time and engery with B.S.  He chooses to live in
>>>> his
>>>> own little naive world.  Spend your engery on open-minded people.
>>>>
>>>> Talk to you later.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Loren Wakefield <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:59 AM
>>>> To: NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>>>
>>>> I agree, about the chocolate.
>>>>
>>>> But let's examine the accusation of being scammed.
>>>>
>>>> When you go to a movie, and tell someone about it, are you paid for
>>>> doing
>>>> that?  Most likely not.  When you buy a t-shirt of you favorite group,
>>>> movie, place of business, or even an organization such as (NFB), are
>>>> you
>>>> re-imbursed for doing that?  Most likely, you pay to wear the shirt and
>>>> advertise for that entity.
>>>>
>>>> Whether it is officially done in a mlm style or not, most things are
>>>> mlm.
>>>> Though we are not to make any money at this, look at our onw
>>>> outstanding
>>>> organization.  We have our individual blind and sighted interested
>>>> parties.
>>>> We have our local chapters.  We have our state affiliates.  We have our
>>>> divisions.  And finally, we have our national office.  And which way
>>>> does
>>>> the money flow?  It mostly flows upward.  And there is nothing wrong
>>>> with
>>>> this.  In most instances, the higher up the money is spent, the bigger
>>>> bang
>>>> for the buck that particular part of the organization can acdcomplish.
>>>>
>>>> When MLM is done correctly, you are rewarded for using and sharing your
>>>> "advertisements" with others.  The way you earn from a corporation is
>>>> to
>>>> either work for them or own stock in them.  And guess what?  The more
>>>> involved with the corporation you are, the better your pay check.  And
>>>> to
>>>> me, that's how it should be.  Though it is a less and less popular
>>>> view,
>>>> if
>>>> you go out and achieve and are rewarded for that achievement, I am not
>>>> entitled to it.  You earned it, you should keep it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Loren Wakefield
>>>>
>>>> "The best way to predict your future is to create it."  Dr. Forrest C.
>>>> Shaklee
>>>>
>>>> www.shaklee.net/ultimatehealthwithtlc
>>>>
>>>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf at roadrunner.com>
>>>> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 1:31 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> well Amway is not BS, it's a dual level project, the products are
>>>>> valid
>>>>> and
>>>>> do alright as sales, and the pyramid effect is used, but not in a
>>>>> short
>>>>> blast like the now illegal pyramid games.
>>>>>
>>>>> but you do get a higher percentage as you rise, dove chocolate is a
>>>>> valid
>>>>> company as well, and if there doing this, it's probably like Amway
>>>>> with a
>>>>> more popular product (chocolate, who isn't interested in delicious
>>>>> chocolate!) I have had dove chocolate and its good! so should sell
>>>>> quite
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> inthane
>>>>>
>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>> "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>> Owner: Agemtree
>>>>> "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>>>>> www.agemtree.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:11 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "be on your team",
>>>>>> is this that multi level marketing bs?
>>>>>> Bryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Scott Spaulding" <spaulding.scott at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "'NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List'" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 1:54 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is a possible opportunity that I am involved in. The company is
>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>> Dove Chocolate Discoveries & you can learn about the company and the
>>>>>>> products at www.dove-chocolate-discoveries.com/scottspaulding. This
>>>>>>> opportunity is available for anyone to look into & if you are
>>>>>>> interested,
>>>>>>> I'd be happy to have you on my team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Robert J Smith
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:50 PM
>>>>>>> To: nabentre at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabentre] supplemental income
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi list.  I have just subscribed because I need to make supplemental
>>>>>>> income for my family.  I am a programmer for my fulltime position
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> want to do something totally different for parttime.  I would like
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> sell
>>>>>>> something over the internet which the customer would run out of and
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to buy over and over.  I don't want to sell a product that would
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be personally delivered all over town because my wife won't do it.
>>>>>>> Someone
>>>>>>> enthusiastically invited me to be an online global Amway distributor
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> is certainly worth considering, but I wanted to look around a little
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> not just take the first thing that came up, something like not
>>>>>>> buying
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> first house you might like.  One site I've been looking around in
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> links that promise to "make money while I sleep" once I build my
>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> get things going.  This sounds a little too good to be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have any suggestions for me, please send them to my home
>>>>>>> email
>>>>>>> which is "bozbirdman at msn.com".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Robert Smith
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