[nabs-l] Social Etiquette

Tue Nov 4 03:29:01 UTC 2008

With great respect, I must beg to differ with yu on one of these 
behaviors. I have observed as many, if not more, sighted persons 
answering their frickin' phones in meetings, in restaurants, while on 
the bus or in other less-than-ideal situations, than I have blind 
persons. There have been state conventions where I almost was ready to 
enforce a phone-check at the door, i.e., require *all* persons to hand 
over their phones at registration, said phones to be returned after the 
last session. (grin)

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Spangler" <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Social Etiquette

This weekend at the NFB of Ohio convention, I observed a few things that
totally irritated me.  While the original poster did state that both
sighted and blind people who are sheltered exhibit these types of
inappropriate social behavior, I believe that it is noticeable more
among blind people because many of them are sheltered when being raised.
  People feel sorry for them and don't explain to them what is socially
acceptable and what isn't.  They are not expected to be responsible for
their etiquette in public because  people don't expect that they will
work with their sighted and non-handicapped counterparts in society.
It's sad but unfortunately true.

I don't want to give any specific examples but people answering their
phones during meetings when there is a speaker in the front of the room
and talking while someone else is speaking are just a couple of the
inappropriate behaviors that I notice when attending meetings with a
blind majority.

Thanks,
Robby
Hope Paulos wrote:
> Arielle points out several good examples here and I believe this to be 
> a
> wonderful post.  I just wanted to add an experience of my own and of
> others with whom I work.  When I was very young, I had several
> "Blindisms"- I would rock when not in a rocking chair, and I would 
> poke
> my eye.  My parents would not allow me to do this.  When I got older, 
> my
> grandmother was talking about how much I'd matured.  She said she was 
> so
> proud that I didn't exhibit those blindisms.  I asked my mother why 
> she
> insisted that I stop rocking and she explained that it was socially
> inappropriate.  There are times, especially being totally blind, when
> people do things that are socially inappropriate, but they don't even
> know this fact.  My mother said that she knew that I couldn't see the
> people around me and the fact they were not rocking or poking  their
> eyes.  She needed to put a stop to these behaviors.  She wanted me to
> not be laughed at and to be socially  appropriate.  Arielle, I'm not
> sure if this was what you were talking about, but I figured I'd add it
> in.  It is in no way my intention to offend people.  If I have i
> apologize.      When I worked at Perkins, I worked with people that
> would make certain sounds or flap their hands.  These students ranged 
> in
> age from 9 to 14.  It was extremely difficult to extinguish these
> behaviors at those  ages.  The students  progressed when it came time
> for me to leave, but I am uncertain as to whether the behaviors have
> been extinguished fully.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:43:21 +1100
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Social Etiquette
>
>> Hi all,
>
>> I certainly think that social skills/etiquette is important for
> high
>> school students to understand when transitioning to college and
>> beyond.  One of the difficulties with detailing it on the fact
> sheet is
>> that many rules of etiquette and social grace vary depending on
> the
>> situation and the expectations of the people around.  Just as
> there is
>> more than one way to look fashionable, there is more than one way
> to
>> be "well-mannered" and what is considered appropriate for one
> setting
>> may be considered wildly inappropriate in a different one.
> Really what
>> I think we want to capture is the ability to adapt to situations
> and
>> "blend in" by following the social/etiquette norms called for in
> those
>> situations.
>
>> I would also point out that I think most adolescents (blind and
>> sighted) who didn't grow up under a rock have a pretty good
>> intellectual knowledge of what is and isn't appropriate public
>> behavior.  However, there is a big difference between simply
> knowing
>> what's appropriate and actually complying with social norms.  In
> order
>> to comply with social norms one must know what they are, and also
> be
>> motivated to comply with them, and be in full  control of their
>> behavior.  Returning to the hypothetical ten-year-old kid who
> picks
>> his nose in public, it's possible that he honestly doesn't know
> that
>> it's inappropriate.  More likely, though, is that he's  been told
> it's
>> inappropriate before (or laughed at for doing it), but he simply
>> doesn't care—either because his parents didn't scold or punish
> him for
>> doing it, or because they did but they're simply not around in
> the
>> situation and the kid doesn't think he's likely to get in trouble
> for
>> picking his nose.  A third possibility is that he is motivated to
> not
>> pick his nose, but he's just spaced out and doesn't realize he's
> doing
>> it, or he has a bad nasal itch and feels compelled to scratch
> inside
>> his nose to relieve it, etc.  The point is that mere knowledge of
>> etiquette isn't enough—people have to be motivated (ideally,
>> self-motivated) to do what's appropriate.  There are some
> behaviors
>> commonly seen in blind people—known as "blindisms"—that can
> become so
>> habitually ingrained that even when people become motivated to
> stop
>> they still  have difficulty doing it.  Eye-poking is an example
> of a
>> behavior that most people engaging in it know full well that it's
>> unattractive (and bad for their eyes), and often people are
> motivated
>> to stop, but some have a very hard time completely eliminating
> it.
>> (Speaking from  personal experience here, but also from
> conversations
>> with teenagers and adults who have genuinely struggled to stop
> and
>> still find themselves occasionally poking their eyes).  To give a
>> different example, I think the vast majority of adults know about
> the
>> negative consequences of being chronically late for things, but
> there
>> are just some people who are always late—maybe they just don't
> care,
>> or maybe they do but just haven't figured out how to organize
> their
>> time so they're not late, etc.
>
>> That said, I do think parents and teachers can help kids improve
> their
>> social etiquette—not only by teaching what's appropriate
> (knowledge),
>> but by instilling motivation.  Blind kids may be less motivated
> than
>> sighted kids to comply with social expectations either because
> they've
>> been held to lower standards by adults or because they don't see
> other
>> people's negative reactions to their behavior.  So I think the
> emphasis
>> should be on teaching blind kids and teens to truly care about
>> conducting themselves well in public, adapting to different
> social
>> situations and building connections with others—rather than just
>> telling them to do or not do certain things.  Giving rewards for
> good
>> behavior and punishments for bad is motivating to an extent, but
>> eventually kids need to be motivated regardless of who's around
> to
>> observe their actions.  Ideally they will learn through
> experience that
>> following social norms and initiating connections with others
> makes
>> them happier and helps them to reach their goals.
>
>> So how do we do this? Any ideas?
>
>> Arielle
>
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