[nabs-l] Trays

[Beth]

May I point out that I see NO TRAYS at FSU.  We don't do that tray
thing, but I could most certainly do that thing with the tray at some
other plac.
Beth

On 11/6/08, Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also hold the
> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if things start to
> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free for the cane.
> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not that long
> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our training
> centers.
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer, President
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Beth
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>
> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing level.  I
> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
> Beth
>
> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane. At least
>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>
>> Albert,
>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can recall;
>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should not and
> enjoy
>>
>> it.
>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is you can go
>> to some and get something out of it.  She said
>>
>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>> and going to parties and such."
>>
>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think blindness
>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties  if that
> is
>> what you want to do.
>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did go to a
> play
>> at school alone.  I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get tired of
>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near.  You can easily walk
>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or food
> court.
>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as basketball or
>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise it is
>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is happening
> then.
>>
>> However there are other events that you can do alone.  Now if Beth or
> anyone
>>
>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there personality that is
>> fine.  But blindness should not get in the way.  I for one would like to
> go
>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but they're busy
> and
>>
>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really want.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun to go to
>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football baseball or
> ice
>>
>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the stadium if
>>> you were alone. Albert
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>
>>>> Beth,
>>>>
>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone. Unless
> at
>>
>>>> a
>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school is weird
>>>> if
>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should go to
>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are not going
> to
>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to restaurants and
>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone. You
>>>> should
>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I encountered a
>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of friends
>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling. I love
>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All sighted
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go down
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in a
> recent
>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine, including
>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a blind
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd like me to
>>>>>> ask
>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone else!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends, either. Een
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people I talk
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get really quiet
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of people
>>>>>> (like
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a nerd
>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to the
>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted effort. It
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers from
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> feelings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the real
>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does anyone
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or on the
>>>>>> sports
>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular activities
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't really
>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know that it
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done it the
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally blind
>>>>>> person
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted help that
>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the other
>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much about, but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social integration
> and
>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too busy.
>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen years old,
>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I am
>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other, and you
>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to winning a
>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having good
>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who is a
>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've dealt with,
>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had a
>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue and it
>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a friend. I
>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted he
>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer  wrote:
>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well liked
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups. I have
>>>>>> found
>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active on
> this.
>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to initiate, or
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a Hollywood Star,
>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life, as a
>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships are
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I invited
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from grade
> school
>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It is
> often
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make anyone feel
> it
>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't even
>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness, most are
>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in the can
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned, IF your
>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect. But on the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think sometimes
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out, and these
>>>>>>> days
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher) who are
>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and they
> don't
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he isn't,
>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>> busy!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
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