[nabs-l] Trays

Thu Nov 6 19:45:22 UTC 2008

Cool.  I've done the thing with trays before, and it was great.
Beth

On 11/6/08, hannah jones <hjones711 at gmail.com> wrote:
> they do teach trays at training centers. What they say is to hold it
> like you said with thumb and pointer around cup, rest of fingers under tray.
>
>
> Beth wrote:
>> May I point out that I see NO TRAYS at FSU.  We don't do that tray
>> thing, but I could most certainly do that thing with the tray at some
>> other plac.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/6/08, Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also hold the
>>> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if things start
>>> to
>>> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free for the
>>> cane.
>>> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not that
>>> long
>>> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our training
>>> centers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>>> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Beth
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>>>
>>> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing level.  I
>>> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane. At least
>>>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>
>>> Behalf
>>>
>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>
>>>> Albert,
>>>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can recall;
>>>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should not and
>>>>
>>> enjoy
>>>
>>>> it.
>>>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is you can
>>>> go
>>>> to some and get something out of it.  She said
>>>>
>>>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>
>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>> and going to parties and such."
>>>>>
>>>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think
>>>> blindness
>>>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties  if that
>>>>
>>> is
>>>
>>>> what you want to do.
>>>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did go to a
>>>>
>>> play
>>>
>>>> at school alone.  I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get tired of
>>>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near.  You can easily
>>>> walk
>>>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or food
>>>>
>>> court.
>>>
>>>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>>>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as basketball or
>>>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise it is
>>>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is happening
>>>>
>>> then.
>>>
>>>> However there are other events that you can do alone.  Now if Beth or
>>>>
>>> anyone
>>>
>>>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there personality that
>>>> is
>>>> fine.  But blindness should not get in the way.  I for one would like to
>>>>
>>> go
>>>
>>>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but they're busy
>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>>>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really want.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun to go
>>>>> to
>>>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football baseball or
>>>>>
>>> ice
>>>
>>>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the stadium if
>>>>> you were alone. Albert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone. Unless
>>>>>>
>>> at
>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school is
>>>>>> weird
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should go to
>>>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are not going
>>>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to restaurants and
>>>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone. You
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I encountered
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of friends
>>>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling. I
>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All sighted
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go down
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in a
>>>>>>>>
>>> recent
>>>
>>>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine, including
>>>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd like me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone else!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends, either.
>>>>>>>> Een
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people I
>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get really
>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of people
>>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a nerd
>>>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to the
>>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted effort.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers from
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> feelings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the real
>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does anyone
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or on the
>>>>>>>> sports
>>>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular
>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't really
>>>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know that
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done it
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted help
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the other
>>>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much about,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social integration
>>>>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too busy.
>>>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen years
>>>>>>>> old,
>>>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I am
>>>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other, and you
>>>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to winning a
>>>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having good
>>>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who is a
>>>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've dealt
>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had a
>>>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue and
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a friend.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted he
>>>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well liked
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups. I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active on
>>>>>>>>>
>>> this.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to initiate,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a Hollywood
>>>>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life, as a
>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships are
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I invited
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from grade
>>>>>>>>>
>>> school
>>>
>>>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It is
>>>>>>>>>
>>> often
>>>
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make anyone feel
>>>>>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't even
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness, most are
>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in the can
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned, IF
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect. But on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think sometimes
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On the
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out, and
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher) who
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and they
>>>>>>>>>
>>> don't
>>>
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he isn't,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> busy!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
>>>>>>>>>
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