[nabs-l] accomodations in public school

Thu Nov 13 06:12:22 UTC 2008

The Michigan convention is this weekend, but it's in Lansing and not Kalamazoo. Apparently the information was not updated when the convention site changed. In addition to the contacts you listed, there is also a youth outreach 
coordinator who would be willing to help out as well. The theme of our convention is Braille litercy and will highlight how Braille leads to the path of independence. It should be an exciting weekend.

> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:30:20 +1100> From: arielle71 at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> > Hi Franandia,> > Sorry--I just saw your message saying that you are in Michigan. Have> you contacted anyone from the NFB of Michigan? They will hopefully> have some other ideas that you can pursue and may even be able to go> with you to meet with your teachers and convince them to take your> concerns seriously. You are absolutely right, it is beyond shameful> that you aren't getting Braille and you should never be expected to> use the sight you have--and the NFB people will understand that too.> > Here's info for the NFB of Michigan:> Fred Wurtzel, President> NFB of MI: 517-482-1800> E-mail:> f.wurtzel at comcast.net> Web site:> http://www.nfbmi.org/> > > The NFB of Michigan also has a group for parents of blind children> and teenagers. Perhaps your parents can talk to their president, or> you can to get advice about how to handle this situation. Contact:> Sharon Darga, President> Parents of Blind Children in Michigan> Cedar, Michigan> Phone: 231-947-3972> E-mail:> bossclaw at aol.com> Web site:> http://nfbparents.tripod.com/> > Finally, I saw that the NFB of Michigan is having its annual> convention in Kalamazoo this weekend. I know it's short notice, but> if you live near Kalamazoo you can go to the convention meetings> and talk to some of these people in person. Go to> www.nfbmi.org> to learn more about the convention.> > Cheers> Arielle Silverman> First Vice-President, NABS> > On 11/13/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:> > Hm...I never knew that. I should check this out...Thank you for the> > information.> >> > On 11/12/08, Sydney Walker Freedman <freedmas at stolaf.edu> wrote:> >> Bookshare is *free* for students. :) So, you should give it a try.> >>> >> Sydney> >>> >>> >>> >> On 11/11/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:> >>> Serena is correct. You can get free bookshare accounts if you're a> >>> student.> >>> Go to the website and it will explain everything. I have one and it was> >>> real> >>> easy to obtain.> >>>> >>> Hope and Beignet> >>>> >>> -----Original Message-----> >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On> >>> Behalf Of Serena> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:21 PM> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>> >>>> >>> I actually don't think that's true. I think you can get it for free> >>> cause> >>> you're a student. Look for an email from me to the NABS list with> >>> information about Bookshare. I sent it last night or the night before.> >>>> >>> Serena> >>>> >>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----> >>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:52 PM> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, I've looked at bookshare, and you have to pay for a membership.> >>>> Its quite expensive so I couldn't use it even if I wanted to.> >>>>> >>>> On 11/10/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>> Serena,> >>>>>> >>>>> I can see this applying to the books on the bookshare site. However,> >>>>> I'm not sure if the books requested are brailled as well as scanned.> >>>>> In essence, I'm not sure that the free scanning of said books would> >>>>> carry over to ordering a free braille copy. For anyone interested in> >>>>> a hard copy of a school-related book, this would be an interesting> >>>>> question to ask.> >>>>> Courtney> >>>>>> >>>>> On 11/10/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:> >>>>>> Hi Cortney and others> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Now, Bookshare does Braille books for free! Here's info from Allyson> >>>>>> Hillicker. Some of you may know her from various things, including> >>>>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Bookshare will take book requests from college> >>>>>>>>students in addition to K-12 students. We work to fulfill all> >>>>>>>> textbook> >>>>>>>>requests as well as other books that one needs for school. As to> >>>>>>>>non-school> >>>>>>>>books we will fill requests on a case-by-case basis. We give> >>>>>>>> priority> >>>>>>>>to> >>>>>>>>non school related books that seem to have an educational benefit.> >>>>>>>> You> >>>>>>>>may> >>>>>>>>send book requests to me at allisonh at benetech.org or Carrie Karnos at> >>>>>>>>carriek at benetech.org. We both process requests, but Carrie does the> >>>>>>>>actual> >>>>>>>>scanning.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Any print disabled student, parent, teacher, or individual working> >>>>>>>> with> >>>>>>>>disabled students may request a book from Bookshare.org. In order to> >>>>>>>>download our books however, one must sign up for a Bookshare.org> >>>>>>>>membership.> >>>>>>>>Memberships are completely free to print disabled students at all> >>>>>>>>educational levels. Schools or groups serving disabled students may> >>>>>>>>also> >>>>>>>>sign up for free group memberships.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>To sign up, one can visit the following links-> >>>>>>>>Individual memberships> >>>>>>>>http://www.bookshare.org/web/AboutIndividualSubscriptions.html> >>>>>>>>School or group memberships> >>>>>>>>https://www.bookshare.org/web/MembersOrganizationJoinForm.html?join=Cre> >>> ate+a+School+or+Group+Account> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If you have specific questions about signup, please E-mail> >>>>>>>>Mandy Throckmorton at mandyt at benetech.org.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Serena> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>---- Original Message -----> >>>>>> From: "Linda Stover" <liamskitten at gmail.com>> >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> >>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:43 PM> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello listers,> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Serena and several others broached this question, especially in> >>>>>>> connection to Franendiah, so I'll try and answer this the best I can.> >>>>>>> No, the books are not brailled free of charge, or at least, they were> >>>>>>> not the last time I checked. On the information page for each book,> >>>>>>> there is a link for ordering embossed copies of that book. When you> >>>>>>> click, it gives you pricing and shipping info. It would be nice if> >>>>>>> it> >>>>>>> were free *smile*> >>>>>>> Courtney> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Antonio Guimaraes <aguimaraes at nbp.org> wrote:> >>>>>>>> Hello Serena,> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you mean bookshare will braille books for you? Or, they will> >>>>>>>> braille> >>>>>>>> books for you at a charge?> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I work in the braille book area, and we can't and don't go on> >>>>>>>> handing> >>>>>>>> braille books for free to schools, students, etc. After all, our> >>>>>>>> transcribers, proofreaders and administrative people make a good> >>>>>>>> living> >>>>>>>> producing much needed, good quality braille.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If Book Share is able to braille books free of charge, I'd be> >>>>>>>> interested> >>>>>>>> to> >>>>>>>> know.> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely,> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Antonio Guimaraes> >>>>>>>> National Braille Press> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>>>>>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>> >>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 3:45 PM> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have a subscription to Bookshare, bookshare will Braille> >>>>>>>>> books> >>>>>>>>> for> >>>>>>>>> you. In case you don't know what bookshare is, it's a service> >>>>>>>>> where> >>>>>>>>> books> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> get scanned and then put on the websight. They have textbooks and> >>>>>>>>> pleasure books. The websight is www.bookshare.org.> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Serena> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>>>>>>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> >>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:04 PM> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I've tried talking to people and all they say is "As long as> >>>>>>>>>> you> >>>>>>>>>> have sight, you need to use it." So, I can't get any braille. The> >>>>>>>>>> thing is, our family just doesn't have the money to pay for it> >>>>>>>>>> ourselves! Is there a way to get books in braille outside of> >>>>>>>>>> public> >>>>>>>>>> school services? Is there a way that I can prove that I "need> >>>>>>>>>> braille"? I'm just so beyond frustrated with both my school and my> >>>>>>>>>> parents. All my parents are thinking of is having a 'good> >>>>>>>>>> Christian> >>>>>>>>>> education and informant." But, they never though of what it would> >>>>>>>>>> be> >>>>>>>>>> like for a child with a disability. I'm not understanding> >>>>>>>>>> material,> >>>>>>>>>> I> >>>>>>>>>> have no friends, I get mocked, and I get up every morning crying> >>>>>>>>>> because I don't' want to go back to school. My parents just say> >>>>>>>>>> "Oh,> >>>>>>>>>> your being so over dramatic! It's really not all that bad! Maybe> >>>>>>>>>> if> >>>>>>>>>> you were positive about school it would to better for you!" It> >>>>>>>>>> doesn't> >>>>>>>>>> work that way though. I'm struggling so much and my parents just> >>>>>>>>>> don't> >>>>>>>>>> think I am working hard enough. How can you work harder than your> >>>>>>>>>> best? How do you react? What do you do? I mean, Ive threatened to> >>>>>>>>>> just> >>>>>>>>>> drop out and leave I'm no unhappy, they don't care. I've already> >>>>>>>>>> told> >>>>>>>>>> them I'm not going to collage. How could I? My high school> >>>>>>>>>> experience> >>>>>>>>>> is so bad that I know I just can't go on. What do I do?> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/8/08, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>> I know someone who went to private school in Philadelphia and> >>>>>>>>>>> went> >>>>>>>>>>> to> >>>>>>>>>>> private school and he got Braille services. He's totally blind.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On> >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Sydney Walker Freedman> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:42 AM> >>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> oh that's terrible! The issue here is that private schools don't> >>>>>>>>>>> have> >>>>>>>>>>> their own vision staff, braille transcribers, equipment, etc. and> >>>>>>>>>>> don't have access to the staff, equipment, etc. from public> >>>>>>>>>>> schools> >>>>>>>>>>> (at least this was true for Arizona). However, thre should be> >>>>>>>>>>> some> >>>>>>>>>>> way to still get services. For example, a good friend of mine> >>>>>>>>>>> went> >>>>>>>>>>> to> >>>>>>>>>>> a private school but received Braille services and time with a> >>>>>>>>>>> vision> >>>>>>>>>>> teacher through the public school where I went. Another thought> >>>>>>>>>>> is> >>>>>>>>>>> to> >>>>>>>>>>> talk to the people at your school and tell them what you are> >>>>>>>>>>> going> >>>>>>>>>>> through and that you *need* braille. If they aren't willing to> >>>>>>>>>>> do> >>>>>>>>>>> something or to find a way to get something done, then, well,> >>>>>>>>>>> they> >>>>>>>>>>> aren't doing their Christian duty, as it were. I can understand> >>>>>>>>>>> a> >>>>>>>>>>> school not having money or resources, but in that case, effort> >>>>>>>>>>> and> >>>>>>>>>>> research can do a lot. Good luck! Feel free to e-mail me off> >>>>>>>>>>> list.> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pax Christi,> >>>>>>>>>>> Sydney> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 11/5/08, Franandiah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone. I'm new here and I just want to say, YOU ALL ARE> >>>>>>>>>>>> LUCKY! I go to a very small christian private schools, and I get> >>>>>>>>>>>> nothing! I get "enlarged" assignments and extended tests, but> >>>>>>>>>>>> that> >>>>>>>>>>>> is> >>>>>>>>>>>> about it. Though I know braille, nobody will provide it for me.> >>>>>>>>>>>> My> >>>>>>>>>>>> sight is 20/800. I am colour blind, I don't have either preferal> >>>>>>>>>>>> vision or depth perseption and yet all I ever hear is "Oh, you> >>>>>>>>>>>> have> >>>>>>>>>>>> some sight so use it!" So consider yourselves VERY lucky. I> >>>>>>>>>>>> would> >>>>>>>>>>>> do> >>>>>>>>>>>> anything to get braille books. I can't read this print much> >>>>>>>>>>>> longer,> >>>>>>>>>>>> I> >>>>>>>>>>>> go home crying because my eyes are burning so badly. You all are> >>>>>>>>>>>> luckier than you know.> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/4/08, hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:> >>>>>>>>>>>>> All of my materials are brailled or on audio, but I don't get> >>>>>>>>>>>>> extra time on tests...> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:34:38 -0500> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I had braille extra time on tests my books and hand outs were> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also brailled.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rania,> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> >>>>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:05 PM> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking this for a class as well as to compare my> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to yours.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had pretty decent services. I got braille and audio books> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and> >>>>>>>>>>>>> my TVI> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was good at giving braille handouts and I got extra time on> >>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we have discussed before, I struggled fitting in socially> >>>>>>>>>>>>> though.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my psychology of individuals with disabilities class, I> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was> >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked to> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present about visual impairment and accomodations and other> >>>>>>>>>>>>> academic> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact. So my questions.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. What accomodations did you use?> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Were they effective? If you used print you may have been> >>>>>>>>>>>>> more effective> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with braille.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. What should have been done that was not?> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common accomodations I can think of are: large print or> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> braille> >>>>>>>>>>>>> handouts,> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio texts, and extended time on tests.> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account> >>>>>>>>>>>>> info for> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l:> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma> >>>>>>>>>>>>> il04%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 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