[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Arielle Silverman
arielle71 at gmail.com
Fri Nov 14 00:34:36 UTC 2008
Hi Beth and all,
I've dined in lots of dining hall/food court situations and rarely,
if ever, had the luxury of a tray. I honestly think a tray is usually
more bother than it's worth--especially when they're gigantic like
Serena has described. The only time a tray might be helpful is when
you're getting multiple plates, or a plate and a beverage. But usually
what I do in that situation is get my plate, set it down wherever I
want to sit, and then go get my drink. Of course I know keeping track
of where you were sitting is a challenge--but there's a couple ways
around that. Of course, you can just keep real good track of the
route you took from your table to the drink area and then reverse it.
I understand that can be easier said than done when the cafeteria is
very crowded, though. Sometimes when I know the route will be really
curvy from my table to the drink line or whatever, I'll ask the people
I am sitting with if they could do me a favor and call out my name
when I'm walking back so I know where the table is. Or you can just
find out who you're sitting next to and call out their names when you
approach your table.
I'll just add that I am not a stellar indoor traveler and I definitely
understand these things can be easier said than done at times. Just
the other day I got real turned around in my school food court (the
cash registers weren't as loud as usual) and I had to ask directions
to find my way out after I got my food. But in spite of the
challenges, I'd still rather take care of my food independently,
since then I have total control over what I'm getting. Also I'm doing
it just like everyone else--and not putting responsibility on
anybody else.
Having staff help you is fine--I have nothing against that--but if
they're busy or unwilling to help you, just know that these are
some other options you can try.
Cheers
Arielle
On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is because
> there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me today
> when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager saying
> what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just bring it
> to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if it
> appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my basic
> needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd have
> to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who said
> the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in that
> manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's comments
> as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
> dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division of
> Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer dollars
> going into MY meal plan.
> Beth
>
> On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I don't mean
>> to
>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food in
>> college.
>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small hands. I
>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but then, the
>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've bought my own
>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to campus and
>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than trying to
>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>
>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the staff
>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Beth,
>>>>
>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a good
>>>> idea
>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before your are
>>>> finished shopping.
>>>>
>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had that
>>>> problem
>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate if she
>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice nursing
>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride offer
>>>> to
>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate a
>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have to wait
>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence, my
>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to take
>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next window
>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>> Courtney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to bring
>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of them
>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive tray
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray with you
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your ability
>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to impact
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge problem
>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me get my
>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right hand
>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre than
>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to maneuver
>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the staff has
>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>>>>>>>> needed
>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff. I
>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people aren't
>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about this. I
>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have to
>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with holding
>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues. The
>>>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>>>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the serving
>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up an
>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an option,
>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people ahead of
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the food/setting
>>>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the buffet
>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself independently
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and passing
>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent since it's
>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before serving
>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>>>>>>>>> overcome
>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>>>>>>>>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until I was a
>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the mechanics of
>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I improved at
>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center where
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades on)
>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal for
>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils correctly
>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a great
>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing, too, and
>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking yourself
>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to feel
>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the weight
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that I'm
>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl and
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>>>>>>>>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and it'll be
>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a wide
>>>>>>>>> area.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to serve
>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest time
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my problem
>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was holding
>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl. I had
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but the
>>>>>>>>> bowl
>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind people have
>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I bring
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel (like
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant hand
>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend the
>>>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up (even
>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the angle
>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians call a
>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as will
>>>>>>>>>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one piece
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but do you
>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how many
>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that because I
>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I agree it
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I think
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on buffet
>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty much
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a survor
>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the plate
>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my plate at
>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter, simply
>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am, however,
>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa Rica
>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew where
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to serve my
>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set up a
>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve ourselves
>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so diferent
>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting rice,
>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some of the
>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>>
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