[nabs-l] Trays

Fri Nov 14 12:26:41 UTC 2008

Okay.  aybe I look less competent than everyone else on this list
ecause I can't even carry my own trays.  But again, we don't have
trays in the dining hall.  The only place wher I could practice this
skill is in the Oglesby Student Union which I don't know how to get to
without miimal assistance.  This is just hard.
Beth

On 11/13/08, Yolanda Garcia <yvgarcia at gmail.com> wrote:
> Beth,
>
>     I'm not sure if your cafeteria is 24 hours, but if it isn't, then one
> suggestion might be is to go early in the morning when they first open
> because hardly anyone is there. This way, you might be able to do some
> exploring of the layout of your cafeteria. Perhaps another option is going
> with a friend during finals week when most people are scarce on the scene as
> well and try to gain orientation that way.  When next semester comes, you'll
> feel more confident to navigate around the cafeteria with your new found
> orientation to the lay out.
>
> Alternatively, you can always get anO&M instructor from your VR to come a
> few days before class starts in January to help with orienting you to the
> cafeteria. It's been my experience that when you have a better understanding
> of the layout, that it's easier to navigate independently with each passing
> time.
>
> To practice carrying a tray, I have taught my summer students at various
> training programs to use a regular cookie sheet, and practice holding it at
> the side of your body either at waist level or slightly above the hip while
> firmly wrapping their hand on the side of the tray furthest away from your
> body. I've also seen some counselors show their students to carry the tray
> in front of their body just as long as your pinky, ring finger, and middle
> finger are wrapped around the side that is furthest from their body and
> using the pointer finger and thumb to grip the cup in between. BTW, the
> finger positioning also applies if you are carrying the tray at the side of
> your body. Ultimately, you decide what feels most natural to you. Then as my
> students became more comfortable with slowly walking around the apartment
> using their cane and carrying the tray, I would incorporate an empty plate,
> cup, bowl, or silverware one at a time to gradually give the tray more
> weight like they would experience in a cafeteria or fast food setting while
> still using their cane. I noticed that doing a dry run like this in the
> privacy of our apartment made them feel more comfortable then practicing for
> the first time in a crowded food court with tons of people around. Maybe you
> assimilate some sort of practice exercise like this either in your dorm room
> or when you go home for Thanksgiving break.
>
> I think that once you can get a firm foundation of the layout of your
> cafeteria and master carrying a heavy tray, that you'll be able to fuse
> these techniques together and conquer this situation with confidence and
> ease in no time. Hope this helps.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Yolanda
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>
>
>> Well, there ain' no trays at Suwannee Dining Hall here at FSU, so I've
>> had to rely on others o help me get my food.  Also, there is so much
>> chaos and the cash register is outside the line, not inside the line
>> and in every station like in a normal cafeteria/buffet.  You know what
>> I mean?
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> At the NFB centers they teach you a  method  for carrying a tray with
>>> your non-cane hand by holding the tray against your hip and wrapping
>>> your fingers around the drink if there is one.
>>>
>>> It's also pretty easy to carry a  single bowl or plate in your
>>> non-cane hand. One trick is to put silverware, napkins, etc. either
>>> under the  plate or in your pocket.
>>>
>>> The only things I  haven't figured out is  how to  carry a plate and
>>> cup with no tray, or to carry multiple drinks on a tray.
>>>
>>> As for travel through a cafeteria or food court, this can be
>>> challenging, but don't be afraid to  ask questions of people around
>>> you even if there is no staff member or friend to help. "Is this the
>>> salad line? No? Could you tell me where it is please?"
>>>
>>> One lesson I've learned is to stop and  listen  whenever  I go into a
>>> place like a fast-food restaurant, store or cafeteria. Listen for
>>> audible landmarks like the cash registers, drink dispenser, TV or
>>> background music and use these  landmarks to keep your bearings  as
>>> you move through  the store.
>>>
>>> I don't know if others have experienced this, but I think I've
>>> sometimes  gotten in the habit of walking into a store or restaurant
>>> and just moving without stopping to listen. I think that
>>> subconsciously I tend to keep  moving so other people don't think I'm
>>> lost or helpless. But what I've learned is that  in  the long run,
>>> it's better to take that extra second to stop and listen--and  be able
>>> to move more  smoothly through the place and find the door on the  way
>>> out.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 11/13/08, melissa R. Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>>> Carrie,
>>>> Thank you for your willingness to sare ideas with us.
>>>> I had a hard time carrying my tray in school.
>>>> To be honest, I didn't use a cane in school, except for mobility which I
>>>> only
>>>> got every three to four months.
>>>> My mom worked with me on how to carry things level.
>>>> I can't do that as well as I used to because of the slight tremors in my
>>>> hands.
>>>> I didn't really get to practice carrying a tray much until I got to the
>>>> colorado
>>>> center.
>>>> I knew how to do it.
>>>> But I sure got practice doing it at a buffet, and at windys as well.
>>>> Lol!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Melissa R. Green
>>>> Hold on to your dream and it shall be well with you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of
>>>> Carrie Gilmer
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:23 AM
>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>>>>
>>>> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also hold the
>>>> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if things start
>>>> to
>>>> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free for the
>>>> cane.
>>>> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not that
>>>> long
>>>> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our training
>>>> centers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>>>> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>>> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Beth
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>>>>
>>>> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing level.  I
>>>> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane. At
>>>>> least
>>>>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>
>>>>> Albert,
>>>>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can recall;
>>>>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should not and
>>>> enjoy
>>>>>
>>>>> it.
>>>>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is you can
>>>>> go
>>>>> to some and get something out of it.  She said
>>>>>
>>>>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>>> and going to parties and such."
>>>>>
>>>>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think
>>>>> blindness
>>>>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties  if
>>>>> that
>>>> is
>>>>> what you want to do.
>>>>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did go to a
>>>> play
>>>>> at school alone.  I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get tired of
>>>>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near.  You can easily
>>>>> walk
>>>>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or food
>>>> court.
>>>>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>>>>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as basketball or
>>>>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise it is
>>>>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is happening
>>>> then.
>>>>>
>>>>> However there are other events that you can do alone.  Now if Beth or
>>>> anyone
>>>>>
>>>>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there personality that
>>>>> is
>>>>> fine.  But blindness should not get in the way.  I for one would like
>>>>> to
>>>> go
>>>>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but they're
>>>>> busy
>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>>>>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun to go
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football baseball or
>>>> ice
>>>>>
>>>>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the stadium
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you were alone. Albert
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone.
>>>>>>> Unless
>>>> at
>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school is
>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should go to
>>>>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are not
>>>>>>> going
>>>> to
>>>>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to restaurants
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone. You
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I encountered
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of friends
>>>>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling. I
>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All sighted
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go
>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in a
>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine, including
>>>>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a blind
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd like me
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone else!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends, either.
>>>>>>>>> Een
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people I
>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get really
>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of people
>>>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a nerd
>>>>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to the
>>>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted effort.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers from
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> feelings.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the real
>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does anyone
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> sports
>>>>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular
>>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't really
>>>>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know that
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done it
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally blind
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted help
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the other
>>>>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much about,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social integration
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too busy.
>>>>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen years
>>>>>>>>> old,
>>>>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I am
>>>>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other, and
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to winning a
>>>>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having good
>>>>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who is a
>>>>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've dealt
>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had a
>>>>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue and
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a friend.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted he
>>>>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well
>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups. I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active on
>>>> this.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to initiate,
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a Hollywood
>>>>>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life, as a
>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships are
>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I
>>>>>>>>>> invited
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from grade
>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It is
>>>> often
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make anyone
>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't even
>>>>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness, most
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in the
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned, IF
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect. But on
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On the
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out, and
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher) who
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and they
>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he isn't,
>>>>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>>>>> busy!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
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