[nabs-l] Philosophical Terminology

David Andrews dandrews at visi.com
Sun Nov 16 17:34:10 UTC 2008


Joseph:

I understand what you are saying about 
politically correct o language.  It can be taken 
to far.  On the other hand, some change in 
language is the first step in bringing about 
change.  For example, if we still used the N 
word, African-Americans wouldn't have probably 
achieved much civil rights wise.  People stopped 
using the word even though some of them still 
probably thought of blacks in terms of the N word 
and all it applies.  However, for most of us, 
eventually our actions and and thoughts start to follow our words.

Dave

At 11:22 PM 11/15/2008, you wrote:
>Harry, I object to the concept of political 
>correctness outright.  It forces people to say 
>things they do not mean and mean things they do 
>not say.  Morally, that seems wrong to me. I 
>endeavor to say exactly what I think.  Not 
>everyone likes that.  And you know what?  That's 
>fine.  In fact, sometimes I'm wrong.  Thing is, 
>you've got to be willing to accept 
>responsibility for being wrong now and then, or 
>you'd best not say anything. Too often, 
>politically correct speech is used as an excuse 
>to have everything be so nebulous that anything 
>you say can be interpreted any number of ways, 
>none of which you can be held responsible 
>for.  Down that road lies the girlie-men from 
>Joe Orozco's history lesson.  *grin* Joseph On 
>Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 07:34:36PM -0800, Harry 
>Hogue wrote: >Here's an interesting 
>thought.  We get all bent out of shape about 
>the word "visually impaired," or any other kind 
>of "politically correct "language, and insist 
>that we call things the way they are, but yet we 
>also insist that the techniques we use be called 
>"alternative."Â  I understand and agree with 
>that one, because "substitute techniques" does 
>sound inferior, but I just think it's 
>interesting how strict we are on our 
>termonology. > > >--- On Sat, 11/15/08, Chris 
>Westbrook <westbchris at gmail.com> wrote: > >From: 
>Chris Westbrook <westbchris at gmail.com> >Subject: 
>Re: [nabs-l] Philosophical Terminology >To: 
>"National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >Date: Saturday, 
>November 15, 2008, 8:10 PM > >Also, I don't 
>think that just because you call yourself 
>visually impaired >you are necessarily denying 
>your blindness.  I will use an example with 
>another >disability from my own life.  I am 
>hearing impaired.  Notice I said 
>hearing >impaired, not deaf.  I choose not to 
>call myself deaf, because deafness >generally 
>implies profound hearing loss, sign language, 
>the inability to speak, >etc.  If any of you 
>have been around me for a while, however, you no 
>that I do >not deny my hearing loss.  I wear two 
>hearing aids.  I also accept that 
>certain >things are much harder if not 
>impossible for me, such as street crossings 
>and >socializing in crowded situations.  Why is 
>it deemed OK for me to call myself >hearing 
>impaired when it is not OK for a visually 
>impaired individual to call >themselves visually 
>impaired?  after all, even if you are totally 
>blind you are >visually impaired.  The more I 
>think about these things, the more I find 
>myself >struggling with some of the stricter 
>points of NFB philosophy. >----- Original 
>Message ----- From: "T. Joseph 
>Carter" ><carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> >To: 
>"National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>list" ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >Sent: Saturday, 
>November 15, 2008 8:24 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>Philosophical Terminology > > >> I think you are 
>all getting too hung up on empty words.  The 
>NFB >philosophy is about actions and 
>attitudes. >> >> If you call me blind and mean 
>by it that I am helpless, I will 
>take >offense.  If you call me impaired and mean 
>that I just can't see much but am >otherwise 
>like anyone else, I'll accept your words as 
>respectful. >> >> I can almost always tell the 
>difference, and I bet you can too. >> >> 
>Joseph >> >> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 11:06:10PM 
>+0000, Corbb O'Connor wrote: >>> I didn't write 
>the subject line, but I am assuming that was 
>a >blanket marketing e-mail. That is, it was 
>meant to be forwarded around. Just as >we want 
>to attract new members (as has been said by me 
>and others), we >wouldn't want to push people 
>toward the delete button after only reading 
>the >subject line. Marketing, my friends, it's 
>marketing. I agree with all of you >-- we in the 
>Federation are blind, even those of us with some 
>residual vision. >Let's not push people away 
>from our great organization before they even 
>know >who we are and why we use the words we do. 
>I don't think we're >undermining ourselves or 
>our philosophy -- we're trying to find others 
>out >there who don't see as well as their peers 
>(seniors, students, >and...well...everybody 
>else) to show them our positive philosophy on 
>blindness. >>> >>> ----- >>> Corbb O'Connor >>> 
>studying at the National University of Ireland, 
>Galway >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2008, at 
>10:33 PM, Janice wrote: >>> >>> Hello Karen, 
>Terri and Listers, >>> >>> Wow, Karen!! I must 
>say, thanks for calling us, as the nabs board 
>and >as >>> nabs members,  out on this very 
>interesting point. I have recently >noticed >>> 
>something like this also. I think that Terri's 
>point can be a good >one. It >>> might be 
>important for the Federation to use terminology 
>such as >visually >>> impaired or low vision, to 
>try to attract a larger facet of 
>people. >These >>> people might be uncomfortable 
>with their blindness, they might not >want 
>to >>> identify as blind... so, we say- Hey you 
>visually impaired person... >this >>> group is 
>for you too! >>> Once we have their foot in the 
>door so to speak, then >>> we can teach them 
>about our philosophy and educate them in the 
>fact >that we >>> are all blind individuals> We 
>can then wow them into believing that > the 
>visual hierarchy does not matter. Even if 
>you >>> are legally blind,    the key word is 
>blind. One is not going to be >>> recognized as 
>a legally visually impaired person, are 
>they? >>> >>> However, I do wonder in certain 
>instances where the lines get blurred >and 
>if >>> we are sacrificing what we are as an 
>organization to try to get these >new >>> 
>individuals into our door. For example, not  to 
>pick on one specific >>> facebook group, but I 
>will use the 411 group, since it seems to be 
>the >most >>> recent one and has sparked some 
>debate. The salutation line- >"Attention >>> 
>blind and visually impaired high school 
>students!" This makes >some sense >>> according 
>to Terri's argument. We want those who self 
>identify as >visually >>> impaired to come to 
>our group. Yet, why would we need to use 
>the >terminology >>> visually impaired among 
>ourselves and within our Federation 
>family? >>> >>> Why would we use the words low 
>vision, visually impaired, to refer 
>to >other >>> Federationist? One such example I 
>an talking about is the email >subject line >>> 
>:"for the sake of ne, in which the group was 
>actually announced >to the NABS >>> list. the 
>official heading was something like- Blind and 
>Visually >Impaired >>> Teen Group on Facebook. 
>why not just use something like, 
>"new >blindness >>> group of facebook! >>> ? I 
>am definitely not trying to point fingers at any 
>specific group or >person... I am really 
>curious, because I have seen terms such as 
>visually >impaired, low vision, and high partial 
>, in our literature recently, also. I >>> am 
>merely using the facebook post as the most 
>recent and relevant >example. >>> Is this a new 
>trend in Federation philosophy? or do we believe 
>that >perhaps >>> trying to be all inclusive has 
>caused us to become a little lax and >blur >>> 
>the lines of philosophy? Are the philosophical 
>boundaries of all blind >>> members being equal, 
>thus united we stand and divided we fall, not 
>as >solid >>> , and binding, now, as when I 
>first joined the Federation...?> >>> >>> I 
>really am confused and would love to hear the 
>philosophers among us >debate >>> this 
>observation. What are the effects of these 
>happenings, to our >>> philosophy? Do we need to 
>tighten our concepts about blindness and >what 
>it >>> stands for within the Federation, or is 
>inclusion the matter of >importance? >>> >>> 
>Thoughtfully yours, >>> >>> Janice >>> ----- 
>Original Message ----- From: "Terri 
>Rupp" ><terri.rupp at gmail.com> >>> To: "NABS list 
>serve" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 
>November 05, 2008 2:25 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] 
>Philosophical Terminology >>> >>> >>>> Karen and 
>all, >>>> The NFB is using different outlets to 
>try to reach out to >nonmembers. >>>> Facebook 
>is just one of them.  Although as you said, 
>the >philosophy of the >>>> federation is based 
>on the word "Blind", that word >"Blind" 
>is  sometimes a >>>> negative things to those 
>people struggling to deal or accept their >>>> 
>blindness.  It was only until a few years ago 
>that I was one of >them.  I >>>> didn't want to 
>associate with anything that labeled me 
>as >blind.  I felt >>>> ashamed to be blind and 
>called myself "visually >impaired".  The 
>acceptance >>>> of one's blindness is a grieving 
>process that each person goes >through >>>> 
>differently.  What we have to do is serve as 
>positive blind role >models, >>>> and show that 
>being blind is no different than being 
>short.  It is >simply >>>> a >>>> 
>characteristic.  Once we attract them to these 
>groups, we can >promote NFB >>>> activities, 
>scholarships, etc and reel them in with 
>our >philosophy. >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> Terri 
>Rupp, President >>>> National Association of 
>Blind 
>Students >>>> >__________________________________ 
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