[nabs-l] money rights

Sun Nov 23 11:38:32 UTC 2008

Arielle,

I have an ATM nearby that gives out $5, $10, and $20.  In Eugene, across 
from a credit union there is an ATM that drops out $10 bills in little 
tubes.

This idea that we can all live off of ATM cards was the Bush argument of 
the Bush administration.  It didn't fly.

An electronic device isn't my preference, but if that's the solution the 
government goes with, and they're paying for it, I want a device that works 
100% of the time.  Current bills and current technology basically don't 
give that promise.  If the bill has been marked in some way, run through a 
washing machine, or any number of things that do happen to money, the 
scanner might not recognize the bill as valid.  Solve that, and I'm okay 
with an electronic scanner.

Joseph

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:02:04AM +1100, Arielle Silverman wrote:
>Hi  all,
>
>At the risk of igniting another fiery debate about the accessible
>currency issue, which to an extent has already been decided for us, I
>just want  to make a couple of technical points about how blind
>people handle money. First of all, I have never heard of an ATM giving
>anything but $20 bills. I suppose it's possible, but it's never
>happened to me or to any other blind people I know. Has it ever
>happened to any of you? Since I think I can pretty safely assume the
>money I get from an ATM is all in $20 bills, I use ATM's independently
>as long as they're accessible. Also, when I get money in a store I am
>in the habit of quickly asking which bill is which. I ask, which just
>takes a few  seconds and then I fold the money, put it away and don't
>worry about it. It would seem like blind people would be cheated a lot
>more than they actually are by cashiers when they give change. I've
>been handling money since I was a preteen and have never been cheated,
>and I have  never heard of any other blind people being cheated
>either. Again, if there were a lot of blind people being cheated I
>would be more supportive of moving forward on changing the currency to
>make it accessible, but since this problem seems so rare I  feel like
>it's just not a huge priority--compared to other issues like the low
>Braille literacy rate.
>
>The only reason I would actively promote making currency accessible is
>because this might make it easier for blind people to get jobs as
>cashiers and bank tellers. But even then, I'd imagine that
>inaccessible cashier or bank equipment might present an additional
>barrier to blind people getting those jobs.
>
>The bottom line, though, is if the court has already ruled that the
>money must be changed, we as blind consumers need to be actively
>involved in the process of developing a currency that is truly
>accessible and not cost-prohibitive to make.
>
>Cheers
>Arielle
>
>On 11/22/08, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>>     All the while performing financial transactions successfully with our
>> currency as it now is. What happened to the need to first ensure more of us
>> have paying jobs so we have money to spend before worrying about how paper
>> bills can be distinguished from one/another. This is a classic case of
>> "Putting the cart before the horse."
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> From: "brianna snyder" <briannasnyder90 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] money rights
>>
>>
>> I agree with you, Priscilla. It would be best if we didn't have to rely on
>> others about things having to do with money.
>>
>> Brianna
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] money rights
>>
>>
>>> Interesting stuff there, Prescilla.  I agree with you.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/20/08, priscilla <priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> hey all listers,
>>>> How are you all doing.
>>>> I was googling ways of reading credit cards, and I came across this
>>>> interesting article on making accessible currency.
>>>> It appears that bush was the one giving us problems because he is found
>>>> to
>>>> have appealed the jurisdiction of making it accessible providing the
>>>> argument that states that we shouldn't change the currency since we have
>>>> accessible ways of identifying money through the use of electronic
>>>> gadgets.
>>>> I really think this is very unfair first of all because not all of us can
>>>> afford spending hundreds of dollars on such device.
>>>> Second of all, I am a college student who lives independently at a dorm
>>>> and
>>>> everyone is not always there when I need to identify money so whenever I
>>>> go
>>>> to the ATM's, I have to go with a friend to verify if the money I am
>>>> getting
>>>> is a 20 and fold it along ways.
>>>> I have methods of folding money but trust me, they are not always
>>>> reliable
>>>> and are not accurate because you still have to rely on someone to tell
>>>> you
>>>> what it is if you forget the denomination.
>>>>
>>>> I am very frustrated about this because like everyone else, I want to be
>>>> able to handle money myself and not trust other total stranger because
>>>> when
>>>> it comes to money, I have some doubts about certain people these days.
>>>> We hear a lot of fraud going on, even in the news and its happening a
>>>> whole
>>>> lot in food places.
>>>> beware of restaurants because some people can be very dishonest and steel
>>>> from you especially change.
>>>>
>>>> this is just my personal thoughts and opinions.
>>>> anyhow, the following link is :
>>>> http://www.wkms.org/programming/fuhrmann.htm
>>>>
>>>> thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>>
>>>> Ps. I really hope president Obama can really change this since president
>>>> bush was greedy enough to appeal the case.
>>>> Please reply on the list with any opinions of the article.
>>>> .
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