From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 03:24:27 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:24:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] kerswale question
References: <000601c9308c$4bdae080$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><50BB334B-0C88-4C02-B898-12ACAE4C8504@gmail.com><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAIlOf8vC2+RMqoATzNtMeIEBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>
	<01f501c933ba$5bea38a0$0200a8c0@donna>
Message-ID: <007701c934be$dbc2d820$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

yes that does help now I have to figure out how to do it.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Sexton" <bjsexton at comcast.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] kerswale question


>I am not at my computer that has Kurzweil, but I know there is a setting
> that allows you to automatically configure the brightness of the scan job.
> This takes about 3 to 5 minutes, but gives you a much higher confidence
> level when scanning.
> Hope that helps.
>
> Sincerely
> Bruce Sexton, board member
> NABS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] kerswale question
>
>
>> Amazing! I'll try that from now on. Especially students - we're all
>> caffeine
>> addicts whether we want to be or not. Not that I need to even say that 
>> ...
>> <smil>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces+sarah.jevnikar=utoronto.ca at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces+sarah.jevnikar=utoronto.ca at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
>> Of
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 10:13 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] kerswale question
>>
>> The confidence level in Kurzweil is based on the legibility of the
>> printed page. I've found that some documents and books just don't scan
>> because the print is too faded, i.e. more grey than black. The best
>> solution I have found is to "hire" one of my sighted classmates and
>> pay him/her with a Starbucks or a smoothie. You'd be surprised how
>> fast people respond to an e-mail with a subject of, "Free Starbucks
>> when you read to Corbb!"
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> studying at the National University of Ireland, Galway
>> Blog: http://corbbingalway.blogspot.com
>> Flirt Over Coffee Podcast: http://foc.mypodcast.com
>>
>> On 17 Oct 2008, at 20:12, Rania wrote:
>>
>> Does it mean something when you scan a page and you scan it over and
>> over because the confedence level is so low that you can't read what
>> was scanned? i have found that the confedence level drops each time I
>> rescan the page. Is there a way to get the confedence level high
>> enough so I can read what I scanned?
>> Rania,
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From weathertrooper at msn.com  Thu Oct 23 03:06:02 2008
From: weathertrooper at msn.com (Ben Moore)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:06:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun with Xbox Live
Message-ID: <BAY112-DS62C3E9BAC6AA42BA5204ADC280@phx.gbl>

So, we're all students here. We lead busy lives, especially when it comes to schoolwork and making sure everything's done on time. However, we also have to have fun, right? Right?! *gives nudges* Anyway, I like to play Xbox Live on my 360 in my spare time. Does anyone else here play Live? If so, what games do you play, and what's your Gamertag? Just curious because I need more friends to play with; maybe we could get a clan going, play some Halo 3... so whaddya say (if work hasn't boggled you down yet)?

Oh, and whoever remarked about us college students needing to be caffeinated whether we like it or not - so true, so true! Us and about 95% of America lol!

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 03:36:48 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:36:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Menu
References: <b6b933030810190930j7294f67ew4f080e6b0c0c3b7e@mail.gmail.com><23481F885CB94F3C855E302B632ED999@Bird>
	<78C5EA4B-F27C-4A20-A1DD-74F91F862B94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011901c934c0$95439810$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

When I went to Ruby Tuesday for my birthday a braille menu was just given to 
me after I sat down. I liked that.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Menu


> Ben,
>
> Those experiences are certainly are different and fun. Something that
> I always do when that happens is I ask my server to speak to his/her
> manager about the outstanding services they have for blind customers.
> (I usually phrase it that way so they don't think I'm going to
> complain about the service!) I do this for a couple of reasons: first
> being that in reinforces to the manager that people are using the
> menus, and the next time a menu is printed, they hopefully remember to
> print a Braille one. Secondly, I do this to show (not tell!)
> independence to the manager -- I make a point of showing how when I
> have a Braille menu, I don't have to rely on somebody reading the menu
> to me.
>
> Glad you had a good experience!
> Corbb
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> studying at the National University of Ireland, Galway
> Blog: http://corbbingalway.blogspot.com
> Flirt Over Coffee Podcast: http://foc.mypodcast.com
>
> On 20 Oct 2008, at 22:13, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I went out to Red Robin with my mom on Saturday night, and something
> really
> cool happened. We walked into the restaurant, and as we were being
> seated,
> the host/usher asked us if quote anyone needs a Braille menu unquote.
> I was
> amazed. I said yes, and I gave it up before checking page 30 for the
> desserts. Point is, they actually asked us!
>
> ben
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 04:07:51 2008
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:07:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
Message-ID: <1A88C35791F541B1BC42EC8FA57A59BB@Ashley>

Hi all,

I may have asked a similar question; but with new people here there may be more ideas.  As a student with lots of dense matterial to learn and multiple classes its overwelming.  I miss the high school days when I had braille texts and audio books from RFB; I used both and this made me retain info better.  Right now to study and read matterial I do this:
1. Take notes while reading.  If with a reader, ask them to highlight some info and I can review the highlights later with a reader.  Repetition helps.
2. I read over notes.
3. I go over the points in the summary if the text has one as well as bold words with a reader; my reader skims for them.
4. Occassionally the text has a website with practice questions.  If accessible, I'll use it.

The challenges i face without seeing and the benefit of skimming are many.  First I cannot look up concepts independently.  What if I forget something and wish to look it up since its unclear in my notes, I can't do this.  For instance today I wanted to look up family systems in my abnormal child psychology book.
Second, I don't know how to spell some words.  I try and ask a reader as we go along or if electronic text, listen to it, and copy.  But since i'm focussed on the matterial, sometimes i forget.  Third, tables and charts are challenging.  Sometimes my readers read it well.  Depends on the complexity; those with boxes and arrows are harder than reading tables with text in columns.  
Fourth, unless I'm reading with someone live its harder to skip over irrelevant info.  Texts can be redundant giving you multiple research studies for the same thing.  So I read all of it taking longer.  A sighted student will skim and skip for highlights.  I consider myself a good student and wish to do well.  But it takes longer doing it auditorily and that can be annoying.

So any ideas you have for study and remembering would be good to know.

Ashley


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 04:38:59 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:38:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun with Xbox Live
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-DS62C3E9BAC6AA42BA5204ADC280@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-DS62C3E9BAC6AA42BA5204ADC280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810222138t178a499kd7d5dec49488b0d1@mail.gmail.com>

My brothers play Xbox sometimes.  But I don't do that because if we
drink too much coffee and sit around playing video games too much,
then you get a bad combination.  Honestly, I think Xbox Live is just
for the birds. lol
Beth

On 10/22/08, Ben Moore <weathertrooper at msn.com> wrote:
> So, we're all students here. We lead busy lives, especially when it comes to
> schoolwork and making sure everything's done on time. However, we also have
> to have fun, right? Right?! *gives nudges* Anyway, I like to play Xbox Live
> on my 360 in my spare time. Does anyone else here play Live? If so, what
> games do you play, and what's your Gamertag? Just curious because I need
> more friends to play with; maybe we could get a clan going, play some Halo
> 3... so whaddya say (if work hasn't boggled you down yet)?
>
> Oh, and whoever remarked about us college students needing to be caffeinated
> whether we like it or not - so true, so true! Us and about 95% of America
> lol!
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 23 04:45:51 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:45:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BRF Files and Win Braille
In-Reply-To: <48fe50e0.c401be0a.6a92.ffffc6c9@mx.google.com>
References: <48fe50e0.c401be0a.6a92.ffffc6c9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000070911801@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You could just copy the .brf file to the embosser, I don't know 
enough about WinBraille to know if there is a way to keep it from translating.a

Dave

At 05:00 PM 10/21/2008, you wrote:
>I believe that's what it is doing. When I open the file, it starts 
>translating, and is nearly illegible. If anyone uses WinBraille, is 
>there a way to stop it from translating when opening this type of file?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 9:08 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BRF Files and Win Braille
>
>David,
>
>Please explain further.  "BRF" files are already translated so you 
>might be double translating.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve
>
>On Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:55:45 -0500, David Bouchard wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >I have an Index Everest braille embosser with WinBraille 
> installed. However, when I try to open  a BRF file, Win Braille
>does not translate it correctly. It translates into unrecognizable 
>gibberish, and it will not  emboss correctly. I find it rather
>inconvenient to have  to convert my files into text, so what can I 
>do to solve this problem?
> >David
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 04:53:39 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:53:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun with Xbox Live
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-DS62C3E9BAC6AA42BA5204ADC280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <877942.61955.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

How in the world are you able to play the xbox or Halo or any of the rest of it if you can't see?
 
Those are really visual games I thought...
 


--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Ben Moore <weathertrooper at msn.com> wrote:

From: Ben Moore <weathertrooper at msn.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun with Xbox Live
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 10:06 PM

So, we're all students here. We lead busy lives, especially when it comes to
schoolwork and making sure everything's done on time. However, we also have
to have fun, right? Right?! *gives nudges* Anyway, I like to play Xbox Live on
my 360 in my spare time. Does anyone else here play Live? If so, what games do
you play, and what's your Gamertag? Just curious because I need more friends
to play with; maybe we could get a clan going, play some Halo 3... so whaddya
say (if work hasn't boggled you down yet)?

Oh, and whoever remarked about us college students needing to be caffeinated
whether we like it or not - so true, so true! Us and about 95% of America lol!
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From hjones711 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 04:57:34 2008
From: hjones711 at gmail.com (hannah jones)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:57:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fun with Xbox Live
In-Reply-To: <BAY112-DS62C3E9BAC6AA42BA5204ADC280@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY112-DS62C3E9BAC6AA42BA5204ADC280@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4900043E.8070104@gmail.com>

i dont play video games, dont have time, but i agree with the caffeine!!!!!


Ben Moore wrote:
> So, we're all students here. We lead busy lives, especially when it comes to schoolwork and making sure everything's done on time. However, we also have to have fun, right? Right?! *gives nudges* Anyway, I like to play Xbox Live on my 360 in my spare time. Does anyone else here play Live? If so, what games do you play, and what's your Gamertag? Just curious because I need more friends to play with; maybe we could get a clan going, play some Halo 3... so whaddya say (if work hasn't boggled you down yet)?
>
> Oh, and whoever remarked about us college students needing to be caffeinated whether we like it or not - so true, so true! Us and about 95% of America lol!
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>   



From aruell at nbp.org  Thu Oct 23 05:04:31 2008
From: aruell at nbp.org (Amy Ruell)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:04:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MIT Seeks Input about Braille Labeler
Message-ID: <auto-000071932823@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following:


-----Original Message-----
From: <mailto:karina.pikhart at gmail.com>karina.pikhart at gmail.com 
[mailto:karina.pikhart at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Karina Pikhart
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [2.009] Braille labeler product survey

Dear Customer,

We are the senior mechanical engineering design team at MIT working 
on designing and building a brand new Braille labeler. We need the 
help of people like
you to design the best product possible for the blind and visually 
impaired. We would be so grateful if you could reply to this email 
with your own answers
to the questions listed below at your earliest convenience. The 
results will be assessed anonymously; your confidentiality is 
certainly our priority.

Additionally, for those of you living in the Boston area, please keep 
your calendar open for this Saturday morning for a one hour focus 
group during which
e will present some basic models and give you the opportunity to test 
them out and give us feedback. Details of time and location will be emailed out
shortly. Please let your friends know about this event; we want to 
have as many blind and visually impaired people there as possible to 
help us design
the best product that we can.

Thank you so much! Please continue reading for our survey questions.

1. How much vision do you have? When did you lose your vision?

2. What is your age? (teens, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.)

3. Do you own a 3M label maker?

4. What have you used your 3M label maker to label?

5. Approximately how many letters can you type in 10 seconds on your 
3M label maker?

6. If you label disposable items, such as canned foods, can you 
describe how you do it? Do you adhere the label to the can and 
dispose of it when you throw
away the can? Or do you have a system for reusing your labels? Can 
you describe it? If you reuse your labels, is it to save money, to 
save the time of
making a new label, or is there another reason?

7. When you use your 3M label maker, do you usually make multiple 
labels in one sitting, or do use it each time you need just one label?

8. Do you ever have a need to make multiple lines of label? Is it 
challenging to make two labels and line one up below the next while 
placing them?

9. Is there any part of the labeling process for which you prefer or 
require help from a sighted friend? (Identifying items to be labeled, 
creating the
labels, trimming the labels, peeling the labels, sticking the labels, etc.)

10. Do you carry your 3M label maker with you? To work? To the 
grocery store? If your 3M label maker were small and light enough, 
would you carry it with
you to label things right away as you purchased them?

11. Would you purchase a label maker that required batteries to operate?

12. What other things do you have to do besides simply embossing the 
braille in order to prepare a label? (How often do you have to buy 
replacement tape?
Do you have to trim the label? Peel the backing? Anything else?) 
Please elaborate on anything that is tricky or inconvenient, or that 
might sometimes cause
a mistake so that you have to remake the label.

13. Do you own any technology for which you would say that the 
buttons are too small?

14. Do you own a brailler or a Braille note? Which do you have, and 
how long have you had one? Approximately how many letters per second 
can you type in
10 seconds on your brailler or Braille note?

15. How much would you be willing to spend for a label maker that 
used dymo tape, had a 6-button interface like a brailler or a Braille 
note, and was smaller
than the 3M label maker?

Thank you so much for your time! Please forward this on to any 
friends who may be able to help, and have them reply to me, Karina Pikhart, at
<mailto:kpikhart at mit.edu>kpikhart at mit.edu
. Any questions about the nature of our project or of this survey may 
also be addressed to me.

Thanks again!
Karina Pikhart
2.009 Blue Team



From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 05:18:43 2008
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:18:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about sound eddeting software and boards.
Message-ID: <011f01c934ce$d20cc790$0201a8c0@kevin01feb8f35>

Hello folks. I have some questions. First does anyone know if Sony Vagus works with Jaws? Second, I will be working at a radio station as an intern. I wonder what is the best way I can tell if my levels are to high before I put something over the air. Do you know if I can get something that will beep at me if the levels are high? This is because I will not be able to see the meter on the board. I will talk to you later.

From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 23 07:40:56 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:40:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Computerized Chess game as training in visualizing spacial
	concepts
Message-ID: <208273.29559.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,
 
Something just occured to me.  I enjoy playing chess, although it's been quite a number of years since I've played (lack of interest where I am), and I started thinking about the computerized version out there like WinBoard and the game that was posted here from the company in Australia (Blind Gamers, I think it was).  This lead me to think about O&M training -- how important being able to visualize spacial concepts is.  Since when moving chess pieces on the computer is done through numerical values (king to e3, for example), and you have to keep in mind where the other pieces are in relation to your own, would this be if not a good way of training someone with visual concepts, at least an interesting way?
 
If this makes no sense, e-mail me off list and I'll try and explain better.  I had originally thought to post simply asking if anyone was interested in playing a game of chess over the internet (the offer still stands), but then thought aobut the O&M benefits and couldn't resist posting about them.
 
I know for me I need work on visualizing the environment, and I think this may be why in games like Shades of Doom, or any games where you're essentially moving through an environment or having to keep track of where other things are in relation to you, I don't do so well.  Let me know what you think.  It's now officially 2:40 am, so my logic may have left for the night!
 
Take care!
 
Harry
 

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 11:10:16 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:10:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
References: <1A88C35791F541B1BC42EC8FA57A59BB@Ashley>
Message-ID: <007001c934ff$eea782b0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

good topic. I also miss the high school days when I had things brailled. I 
struggle to remember things too. I also look over my notes and use the books 
from RFBD but like you said I can't just skip the things on the pages that 
the teacher told us not to wery about because if I go to another page then I 
miss what information is on the page that I need to know. I also have 
trouble with getting the spelling of some wirds because some times when the 
spelling of a wird is in the book it is spelled to fast and other wirds are 
not spelled at all. I try to make up my own study guides if I know what is 
going to be on the test and try to make up my own test questions. Another 
thing I do is I record the class and play it back and I even have a friend 
quiz me on the material. Any other tips will be helpful.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:07 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading


> Hi all,
>
> I may have asked a similar question; but with new people here there may be 
> more ideas.  As a student with lots of dense matterial to learn and 
> multiple classes its overwelming.  I miss the high school days when I had 
> braille texts and audio books from RFB; I used both and this made me 
> retain info better.  Right now to study and read matterial I do this:
> 1. Take notes while reading.  If with a reader, ask them to highlight some 
> info and I can review the highlights later with a reader.  Repetition 
> helps.
> 2. I read over notes.
> 3. I go over the points in the summary if the text has one as well as bold 
> words with a reader; my reader skims for them.
> 4. Occassionally the text has a website with practice questions.  If 
> accessible, I'll use it.
>
> The challenges i face without seeing and the benefit of skimming are many. 
> First I cannot look up concepts independently.  What if I forget something 
> and wish to look it up since its unclear in my notes, I can't do this. 
> For instance today I wanted to look up family systems in my abnormal child 
> psychology book.
> Second, I don't know how to spell some words.  I try and ask a reader as 
> we go along or if electronic text, listen to it, and copy.  But since i'm 
> focussed on the matterial, sometimes i forget.  Third, tables and charts 
> are challenging.  Sometimes my readers read it well.  Depends on the 
> complexity; those with boxes and arrows are harder than reading tables 
> with text in columns.
> Fourth, unless I'm reading with someone live its harder to skip over 
> irrelevant info.  Texts can be redundant giving you multiple research 
> studies for the same thing.  So I read all of it taking longer.  A sighted 
> student will skim and skip for highlights.  I consider myself a good 
> student and wish to do well.  But it takes longer doing it auditorily and 
> that can be annoying.
>
> So any ideas you have for study and remembering would be good to know.
>
> Ashley
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From davidb521 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 12:35:48 2008
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:35:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution
Message-ID: <49006ff3.1aa57e0a.0e54.ffffb845@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I am looking for a model chapter constitution. I am working to create a chapter in the Starkville area, and this document would be most helpful. Thanks. 
David


From corbbo at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 12:00:59 2008
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:00:59 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about sound eddeting software and boards.
In-Reply-To: <011f01c934ce$d20cc790$0201a8c0@kevin01feb8f35>
References: <011f01c934ce$d20cc790$0201a8c0@kevin01feb8f35>
Message-ID: <AB7B24B7-002C-422C-821E-243B559CEDD6@gmail.com>

Hi Kevin,

I'm a DJ myself, and it can be tough with the levels. I have learned-- 
the hard way--that if I can hear music "crackling" if the levels are  
too high, it's much worse for the listeners! What I mean to say is  
that levels are tough and it's not something I've found very easy to  
"just listen for." I can see enough to see the levels, but here's my  
recommendation. See if one of your fellow DJs can set your mic level  
and your guests' level. Then I'd just use the on/off switching for the  
inputs, and hope for the best. For music, typically our music computer  
is pre-set and has equipment to ensure a constant level, so I don't  
have to worry about that. CDs, though, could be tough; I use my laptop  
instead of CDs for that reason, plus the convenience of carrying a  
computer instead of several CDs.

Good luck, and send any other radio questions my way!
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
studying at the National University of Ireland, Galway
Blog: http://corbbingalway.blogspot.com
Flirt Over Coffee Podcast: http://foc.mypodcast.com

On 23 Oct 2008, at 06:18, Kevin Wassmer wrote:

Hello folks. I have some questions. First does anyone know if Sony  
Vagus works with Jaws? Second, I will be working at a radio station as  
an intern. I wonder what is the best way I can tell if my levels are  
to high before I put something over the air. Do you know if I can get  
something that will beep at me if the levels are high? This is because  
I will not be able to see the meter on the board. I will talk to you  
later.
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From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Thu Oct 23 16:53:05 2008
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:53:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution
References: <49006ff3.1aa57e0a.0e54.ffffb845@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003801c9352f$d1f92170$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>

do you mean an nfb chapter, or a student division chapter?

Antonio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association Of Blind Students (NABS)" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution


> Hi,
> I am looking for a model chapter constitution. I am working to create a 
> chapter in the Starkville area, and this document would be most helpful. 
> Thanks.
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
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From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Thu Oct 23 17:17:11 2008
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:17:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution
References: <49006ff3.1aa57e0a.0e54.ffffb845@mx.google.com>
	<003801c9352f$d1f92170$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>
Message-ID: <004801c93533$2fecebb0$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>

for an NFB model  chapter constitution visit

http://www.nfb.org/nfb/model_chapter_constitution.asp?SnID=2

Antonio
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <aguimaraes at nbp.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution


> do you mean an nfb chapter, or a student division chapter?
>
> Antonio
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association Of Blind Students (NABS)" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:35 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution
>
>
>> Hi,
>> I am looking for a model chapter constitution. I am working to create a
>> chapter in the Starkville area, and this document would be most helpful.
>> Thanks.
>> David
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
>
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 23 17:21:49 2008
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:21:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Menu
References: <b6b933030810190930j7294f67ew4f080e6b0c0c3b7e@mail.gmail.com><23481F885CB94F3C855E302B632ED999@Bird>
	<78C5EA4B-F27C-4A20-A1DD-74F91F862B94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE65E8D3EF1E474EA9E5A0FE334DF6FC@davee984e49f02>

Along with this last statement,
I would also offer to take one of their menus and get it brailed if it is 
within your ability to do so. This way you'll be helping out the next blind 
individual who comes along. Restaurants usually love it when you offer to 
help them get business.


Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
Mobile: 832-518-0707

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Menu


> Ben,
>
> Those experiences are certainly are different and fun. Something that
> I always do when that happens is I ask my server to speak to his/her
> manager about the outstanding services they have for blind customers.
> (I usually phrase it that way so they don't think I'm going to
> complain about the service!) I do this for a couple of reasons: first
> being that in reinforces to the manager that people are using the
> menus, and the next time a menu is printed, they hopefully remember to
> print a Braille one. Secondly, I do this to show (not tell!)
> independence to the manager -- I make a point of showing how when I
> have a Braille menu, I don't have to rely on somebody reading the menu
> to me.
>
> Glad you had a good experience!
> Corbb
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> studying at the National University of Ireland, Galway
> Blog: http://corbbingalway.blogspot.com
> Flirt Over Coffee Podcast: http://foc.mypodcast.com
>
> On 20 Oct 2008, at 22:13, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I went out to Red Robin with my mom on Saturday night, and something
> really
> cool happened. We walked into the restaurant, and as we were being
> seated,
> the host/usher asked us if quote anyone needs a Braille menu unquote.
> I was
> amazed. I said yes, and I gave it up before checking page 30 for the
> desserts. Point is, they actually asked us!
>
> ben
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Thu Oct 23 23:09:02 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:09:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] questions about sound eddeting software and boards.
Message-ID: <102320082309.20258.4901040E000B90AD00004F222206424413010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello kevin,

thanks for the email that you sent to the list. i have forwarded your message to the performing arts division list, and i know that you will get lots of information from it.

also, why not join the performing arts division list; which will be through nfbnet. just go to it at www.nfbnet.org, and you will find on how to join it. take care and i will talk to you soon.


hugs,
amy sabo

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Kevin Wassmer" <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> 

> Hello folks. I have some questions. First does anyone know if Sony Vagus works 
> with Jaws? Second, I will be working at a radio station as an intern. I wonder 
> what is the best way I can tell if my levels are to high before I put something 
> over the air. Do you know if I can get something that will beep at me if the 
> levels are high? This is because I will not be able to see the meter on the 
> board. I will talk to you later. 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 23 23:53:28 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:53:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Server Report
Message-ID: <auto-000072090130@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear NFBNET.ORG users:

I am pleased to be able to tell you that we have successfully gotten 
the new nfbnet.org server to work and switched services over to 
it.  There are still a few things to clean up, but most things are as 
they were previously, or as you would expect them to be with the new software.

We still need to process the message archives to adjust some links, 
which have changed.  Otherwise our mailing lists should function as 
they did before.  This processing may not take place until early next 
week, but otherwise the lists should function normally.

For you web masters, the sites are up and running.  We are going to 
try and sync content once more tonight, to capture the changes that 
some of you made last weekend or earlier this week.  That should 
happen this evening, hopefully.  I will write web masters separately 
with new instructions.

If you have any problems, or find something that doesn't work, please 
contact me at dandrews at visi.com

Once again I thank everybody for your patience.  Because of the 
complexity, the process was somewhat messier then we would have 
liked.  It turns out that there was a bug in the software that IBM 
uses to control the RAID array for our disk drives.  They 
characterized it as a "code issue," but it was a bug if you ask 
me.  Once we got the firmware updated things happened as expected.

Happy computing!

David Andrews,  SysOp and List Owner



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Oct 24 00:07:03 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:07:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
References: <1A88C35791F541B1BC42EC8FA57A59BB@Ashley>
Message-ID: <006901c9356c$7230ca30$0201a8c0@Serene>

You use good techniques already--I can't really think of any others.  I 
guess the nasty reality is studying or reading just takes longer for you 
cause you're blind.  I would've loved to be an RA on campus, but knew that 
wasn't gonna happen cause of evil reading time! lol  The only advice I can 
give is don't stress out too much and take breaks to have fun!  Go to campus 
events or just chill out and listen to music or chat with your friends on 
messenger or the phone.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:07 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading


> Hi all,
>
> I may have asked a similar question; but with new people here there may be 
> more ideas.  As a student with lots of dense matterial to learn and 
> multiple classes its overwelming.  I miss the high school days when I had 
> braille texts and audio books from RFB; I used both and this made me 
> retain info better.  Right now to study and read matterial I do this:
> 1. Take notes while reading.  If with a reader, ask them to highlight some 
> info and I can review the highlights later with a reader.  Repetition 
> helps.
> 2. I read over notes.
> 3. I go over the points in the summary if the text has one as well as bold 
> words with a reader; my reader skims for them.
> 4. Occassionally the text has a website with practice questions.  If 
> accessible, I'll use it.
>
> The challenges i face without seeing and the benefit of skimming are many. 
> First I cannot look up concepts independently.  What if I forget something 
> and wish to look it up since its unclear in my notes, I can't do this. 
> For instance today I wanted to look up family systems in my abnormal child 
> psychology book.
> Second, I don't know how to spell some words.  I try and ask a reader as 
> we go along or if electronic text, listen to it, and copy.  But since i'm 
> focussed on the matterial, sometimes i forget.  Third, tables and charts 
> are challenging.  Sometimes my readers read it well.  Depends on the 
> complexity; those with boxes and arrows are harder than reading tables 
> with text in columns.
> Fourth, unless I'm reading with someone live its harder to skip over 
> irrelevant info.  Texts can be redundant giving you multiple research 
> studies for the same thing.  So I read all of it taking longer.  A sighted 
> student will skim and skip for highlights.  I consider myself a good 
> student and wish to do well.  But it takes longer doing it auditorily and 
> that can be annoying.
>
> So any ideas you have for study and remembering would be good to know.
>
> Ashley
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Oct 24 00:13:36 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:13:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
References: <1A88C35791F541B1BC42EC8FA57A59BB@Ashley>
	<007001c934ff$eea782b0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <009101c9356d$5c7bbb90$0201a8c0@Serene>

Just wondering, Rania, do you also take notes in class?

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading


> good topic. I also miss the high school days when I had things brailled. I
> struggle to remember things too. I also look over my notes and use the 
> books
> from RFBD but like you said I can't just skip the things on the pages that
> the teacher told us not to wery about because if I go to another page then 
> I
> miss what information is on the page that I need to know. I also have
> trouble with getting the spelling of some wirds because some times when 
> the
> spelling of a wird is in the book it is spelled to fast and other wirds 
> are
> not spelled at all. I try to make up my own study guides if I know what is
> going to be on the test and try to make up my own test questions. Another
> thing I do is I record the class and play it back and I even have a friend
> quiz me on the material. Any other tips will be helpful.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:07 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I may have asked a similar question; but with new people here there may 
>> be
>> more ideas.  As a student with lots of dense matterial to learn and
>> multiple classes its overwelming.  I miss the high school days when I had
>> braille texts and audio books from RFB; I used both and this made me
>> retain info better.  Right now to study and read matterial I do this:
>> 1. Take notes while reading.  If with a reader, ask them to highlight 
>> some
>> info and I can review the highlights later with a reader.  Repetition
>> helps.
>> 2. I read over notes.
>> 3. I go over the points in the summary if the text has one as well as 
>> bold
>> words with a reader; my reader skims for them.
>> 4. Occassionally the text has a website with practice questions.  If
>> accessible, I'll use it.
>>
>> The challenges i face without seeing and the benefit of skimming are 
>> many.
>> First I cannot look up concepts independently.  What if I forget 
>> something
>> and wish to look it up since its unclear in my notes, I can't do this.
>> For instance today I wanted to look up family systems in my abnormal 
>> child
>> psychology book.
>> Second, I don't know how to spell some words.  I try and ask a reader as
>> we go along or if electronic text, listen to it, and copy.  But since i'm
>> focussed on the matterial, sometimes i forget.  Third, tables and charts
>> are challenging.  Sometimes my readers read it well.  Depends on the
>> complexity; those with boxes and arrows are harder than reading tables
>> with text in columns.
>> Fourth, unless I'm reading with someone live its harder to skip over
>> irrelevant info.  Texts can be redundant giving you multiple research
>> studies for the same thing.  So I read all of it taking longer.  A 
>> sighted
>> student will skim and skip for highlights.  I consider myself a good
>> student and wish to do well.  But it takes longer doing it auditorily and
>> that can be annoying.
>>
>> So any ideas you have for study and remembering would be good to know.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com
>
>
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From raul at asmodean.net  Fri Oct 24 00:41:30 2008
From: raul at asmodean.net (Raul A. Gallegos)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:41:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Window-Eyes 7.01 Is Now Available!]
Message-ID: <auto-000071089267@mailfront2.g2host.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	Window-Eyes 7.01 Is Now Available!
Date: 	Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:08:30 -0400
From: 	gw-news at gwmicro.com
Reply-To: 	aaron at gwmicro.com
To: 	gw-news at gwmicro.com



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dialog, resolving the double reading in listviews and treeviews,
speaking expanded and collapsed when you open and close tree view nodes,
speaking the pull down menus correctly under Windows Vista, and
resolving a problem where set files could not be associated to the
iTunes window (or any window whose title was null). In addition,
Window-Eyes does not automatically enable Browse Mode when the iTunes
Store option is selected, meaning you can successfully arrow through all
of the main items without suddenly getting tossed into Browse Mode.


        Scripting

If Window-Eyes is localized in a language that a script was not
localized in, the hotkeys won't work because they're not localized to
the Window-Eyes language. To resolve this issue, we have added a new
property to the Key object called UntranslatedName. From now on, our
policy is to hard code default hotkey names in your script, always in
English, even if you are writing the script in another language, because
Window-Eyes will always be able to interrupt English hotkey names. They
can still be displayed to the user in the script language, but they
should be stored in INI files, and in scripts as English. This way no
matter what language Window-Eyes is localized in, or what languages the
script you are trying to use is localized in, the hotkeys will always
work. Once again, default hotkey names should not exist in the XML
resource, because they should never be localized. Keyboard.Key will
accept both Key.Name and Key.Unstranslated name. Refer to the
documentation for more information.

Added Mouse.ButtonDownEx and Mouse.ClickEx methods. Both methods provide
the ability to enhance their respective functions with key modifiers. In
addition, ClickEx fixes a problem of interrupting speech after
performing the mouse click.

If a null string was returned through various Speech event handlers,
speech would get disabled. This was mainly a problem with Visual Basic
which would return null for speech events that weren?t specifically
hooked.  This problem has been resolved.

The scripting error dialog would sometimes pass a blank string for the
error description. Now, if Window-Eyes cannot retrieve the error
description, a default message will be used rather than displaying a
blank string.

You can now use language id strings in the XML resource, such as "en" or
"en-us" instead of having to use a hexadecimal number.

If was possible for a script to not successfully restart, but you would
still hear the restart message. This problem has been resolved.

We fixed a problem where scripts could error when invoking
Keyboard.Registerhotkey on launch.

We fixed a problem where you couldn't Control or Shift-Click using the
keyboard (meaning you couldn't tap the Control key and then press the
Left Mouse button hotkey to perform a left click).

We fixed a version comparison problem when installing script package files.

Window-Eyes now ensures that any read only attributes on script files
being installing, uninstall, or used when created packages are cleared.
This resolved a problem of script files not getting installed, or
removed correctly.

The Window-Eyes Scripting Manual has been updated.

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From davidb521 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 01:08:32 2008
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:08:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution
Message-ID: <4901205e.1db47e0a.07e5.5977@mx.google.com>

It's an NFB chapter.
David

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes <aguimaraes at nbp.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution

do you mean an nfb chapter, or a student division chapter?

Antonio
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To: "National Association Of Blind Students (NABS)" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:35 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution


> Hi,
> I am looking for a model chapter constitution. I am working to create a 
> chapter in the Starkville area, and this document would be most helpful. 
> Thanks.
> David
>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 01:30:01 2008
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:30:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
Message-ID: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,

I just discovered my mass mailing announcing the NABS web site development
skipped a handful of student divisions.  You didn't miss anything.  The
short of it is that I am working with the NABS board to launch the official
NABS web site in the next few months.

One of the items I am incorporating into the site is a compilation of quick
tip sheets on a number of subjects of interest to students, tip sheets
generated based on your own personal experiences.  To start, I am looking
for college students who can share their top ten best tips for high
schoolers on the verge of applying for college.  What did you look for in a
college or university?  How should high schoolers prepare for in the way of
readers, accommodations, dealing with professors?

My own tip is this:

Learn how to use Microsoft Office.  Downloading illegal music, swapping
e-mails and chatting on messengers is only going to get you so far, and I am
still surprised by the number of students who enter college unable to
correctly format a research paper.  For that matter, learn how to write, or
at least spell, but one step at a time.

Send us your own tips.  One or ten.  Help us make this a good list for high
school students to peruse as they make preparations for this very important
step in their lives.  I'll work with the NABS board to incorporate your
suggestions into a final document which will then be made available on the
site when it is launched.

Regards,

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From paltschul at CENTURYTEL.NET  Fri Oct 24 03:07:51 2008
From: paltschul at CENTURYTEL.NET (Peter Altschul)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:07:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Math Translation Made Easy with the
Message-ID: <auto-000072101132@mailfront1.g2host.com>





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October 23, 2008 Corvallis Oregon -ViewPlus Technologies and Design 
Science announced today the release of a new update to the ViewPlus 
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4 (TSS) for braille math support within Microsoft Word. The new 
version TSS 4.1 works with Design Science's MathType version 5.0 or 
higher, allowing users
to create mathematical equations within MathType and translate to 
braille with one touch.

The collaboration between ViewPlus and Design Science has provided 
users with a new option for creating custom math documents. Users who 
prefer to create
documents within MS Word can insert equations from MathType, add 
desired text and graphics, and translate to braille in one easy step. 
Equations will appear
in both braille and ink allowing sighted readers to follow along. The 
documents can then be embossed using a Tiger embosser for high 
resolution tactile
output.

An example image of Nemeth printout

"TSS is another example of the fruitful cooperation between Design 
Science and ViewPlus. TSS makes authoring and reading documents that 
contain math easier
than ever. Math is taught everyday in every school, and using 
MathType and TSS makes it easy for teachers to provide access to 
materials for everyone in
the classroom, whether they are sighted or not," said Neil Soiffer, 
Senior Scientist at Design Science.

The Tiger Software Suite currently outputs to Nemeth and LaTeX, and 
additional math codes will be available in 2009. The braille math 
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For more information about the Tiger Software Suite with braille math 
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Oct 24 04:51:02 2008
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:51:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution
References: <49006ff3.1aa57e0a.0e54.ffffb845@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DF871040D78B4224B7A24EFA3C33FC6A@owner96190708e>

You can find one on the NFB web site.

Mike

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bouchard" <davidb521 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association Of Blind Students (NABS)" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:35 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Model Chapter Constitution


Hi,
I am looking for a model chapter constitution. I am working to create a 
chapter in the Starkville area, and this document would be most helpful. 
Thanks.
David

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From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 07:00:48 2008
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:00:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [nfbwatlk] NFBW 2008 Convention Agenda
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV289FA000572D27B434B2CEB52B0@phx.gbl>

AGENDA



2008 CONVENTION

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF WASHINGTON

Michael Freeman, President

October 31-November 2, 2008

Holiday Inn Downtown-Everett

3105 Pine Street

Everett, Washington 98201

Telephone (425) 339-2000



BLINDNESS: The Future Is Liberation



Note: All convention sessions and the convention banquet will be held in the 
Everett Ballroom.





Friday, October 31, 2008



9:00 a.m.-3:00 p.m.: Adaptive Technology Exhibits



10:00 a.m.-1:00 p.m.: Seminar for Blind Students - Leadership Is Liberation



Blindness Skills; Self-Advocacy; Community Participation; the Organized 
Blind Movement



Keynote Speaker: Daniel B. Frye, Braille Monitor Reporter and Staff 
Associate National Federation of the Blind, Baltimore, MD



Sponsored by

NFB of Washington Students

Jennifer Moerke, President

Bellingham, WA



2:30 p.m.: Braille Carnival for Blind Children



Denise Mackenstadt, Orientation and Mobility Instructor, Edmonds, WA and

Kristina Lawrence, President, Seattle Chapter, national Federation of the 
Blind of Washington, Port Orchard, WA



2:30 p.m.: Concurrent Break-out Sessions for Parents of Braille Carnival 
Participants



6:00 p.m.: No-host Bar



7:00 p.m.: Dinner and Open Meeting, Board of Directors, National Federation 
of the Blind of Washington



8:30 p.m.: Meeting of the Resolutions Committee

National Federation of the Blind of Washington

Ben Prows, Chair

Kirkland, Washington











Saturday, November 1, 2008



8:00 a.m.: Convention Registration



9:00 a.m.: Welcome to Everett

Karen Shaw, Director of Economic Development and Human Needs Everett, WA



9:10 a.m.: Opening Announcements

Michael Freeman, President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington



9:15 a.m.: NFB National Report

Daniel B. Frye, Braille Monitor Reporter and Staff Associate, National 
Federation of the Blind Baltimore, Maryland



10:00 a.m.: The Blind in Canada and the Canadian Federation of the Blind 
(CFB)

Elizabeth, Lalonde, President, Canadian Federation of the Blind, Victoria, 
B.C., Canada



10:20 a.m.: Getting the Word Out: the National Federation of the Blind of 
Washington and Public

      Relations

Kristina Lawrence, President, Seattle Chapter National Federation of the 
Blind of Washington

Port Orchard, WA



10:45 a.m. Presidential Report

Michael Freeman, President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington, 
Vancouver, Washington



11:00 a.m.: The Blind and the Legislative Process

Senator Jean Berkey, 38th Legislative District, Everett, Washington



11:30 a.m.: The Neural Effects of Visual Deprivation: How Blindness Rewires 
the Brain

Dr. Ione Fine, Assistant Professor of Psychology University of Washington 
Seattle, WA



Noon: Adjourn



1:45 p.m.: The School of Piano Technology for the Blind: A Training Resource 
for a Lucrative Career

Don Mitchell, Instructor, School of Piano Technology for the Blind

Vancouver, WA



2:00 p.m.: Toward Specialized Endorsements for Teachers of the Visually 
Impaired and Orientation and

    Mobility Instructors in Washington State

Jaimie Baggett, Teacher of the Visually Impaired, Edmonds School District

Dr. Phil Hatlen, Former Superintendent, Texas School for the Blind

Members, TOVI Education Reform Committee



2:45 p.m.: The Washington State School for the Blind: Educating Blind 
Children to Take Their Place in

    Society

Dean Stenehjem, Superintendent, Washington State School for the Blind, 
Vancouver, Washington



3:15 p.m.: The Department of Services for the Blind (DSB): Helping the Blind 
to Liberate Themselves

    Into Society

    Louoma Durand, Director, Washington State Department of Services for the 
Blind
Olympia, Washington









3:45 p.m.: the Washington Talking Book and Braille Library (WTBBL): A 
Library With An Exciting Future

Danielle King, Director, Washington Talking Book and Braille Library, 
Seattle WA


4:15 p.m.: The Seattle Lighthouse for the Blind: New Jobs in New Places

Kirk Adams, President, Seattle Lighthouse for the Blind, Seattle, Washington



4:35 p.m.: The Blind and the Great Outdoors: We Can Go Camping, Too!

Ivan Weich, President, Kitsap County Chapter National Federation of the 
Blind of Washington

Bremerton, Washington



5:00 p.m.: Adjourn



6:00 p.m.:  No-host Bar



7:00 p.m.: Convention Banquet

Presentation of Scholarships

Banquet Address



8:30 p.m.: National Federation of the Blind of Washington Auction

Paula Achter, Chair, Auction Committee

Ben Prows, Auctioneer





Sunday, November 2, 2008



9:00 a.m.: NFBW Convention Business Session

Report from the Nominating Committee

Elections

Resolutions

Chapter Reports



Noon: Adjourn





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB of Washington Talk" <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: [nfbwatlk] NFBW 2008 Convention Agenda


Greetings, all!

Attached, please find the agenda for our upcoming convention in Everett.
I'll try to get it up on the web page this weekend but no promises.

We'll have braille and large-print copies as per usual at the convention
as well as braille and print copies of our NFBW Constitution.
Additionally, I'm working on having a CF (Type 1 Flash) card with the
documents as .BRF files for all you techies to put on your note-takers.

Mike Freeman, President
NFB of Washington



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From bjsexton at comcast.net  Fri Oct 24 07:17:42 2008
From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:17:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
References: <1A88C35791F541B1BC42EC8FA57A59BB@Ashley><007001c934ff$eea782b0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<009101c9356d$5c7bbb90$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <BD313D07646B47559F784015D6C4F2C4@FATSO>

Dear Ashley,

Have you tried getting the text in an electronic format where you can 
download it to your Braille note, or use a Braille display,  or even emboss 
it yourself?  I know not everyone has a voc rehab counselor who will buy 
them a Braille embosser, but this would certainly be good justification for 
one.

Another practical tool I've used is Kirtzwhile.  Kirtzwhile has many good 
notation functions.  You can place notes throughout the document which is 
indexed for ease of later navigation.  This is similar to having your reader 
highlight the text you think is important, but allows you to read that 
material when in independent study mode.  Best of all, with a good scan job, 
you will have spellings of key terms.  Kirtzwhile has many built in tools 
that allows optimal studying.  While in a document you can use its 
dictionary to look up words, you can cut important text and move it to 
another document and you can even simultaneously search for books on online 
databases such as the NLS web Braille and BookShare websites!  It can 
automatically paginate your text as you scan, you can create searchable 
headings and chapters and much more.   In other words, it's an under-used 
and less understood tool that we have available.  Perhaps the next 
generation is learning of it's full potential.

One difficulty I've had is cross referencing scanned materials that are 
similar yet different in content.  I've also had a hard time  citing scanned 
material.  My friend says that this is where you can use a reader most 
efficiently.  Have your reader read the citation information such as author, 
page number, chapter name, etc.  I think she Brailles it onto a 3x5 card and 
paper clips it to the book to be scanned later.  This might also help with 
the cross referencing problem.  She'll even have them read what page numbers 
are included in a chapter (I.e. chapter 2 p. 20-30).  I once had a reader 
paper clip the assigned pages of reading together.  This system would work 
best by adding the brailed 3x5 card with the citation information!  This 
system especially helps with compilations  of articles that are in one book 
with many titles and sections of page numbers to sort through.
Oh, and my sister Brook,  would even have readers scan or read scanned text 
for errors while she was in class!  Ingenious!

Personally, I do best with readers, but using all our tools is most 
imperative.

I hope these ideas are helpful.

Note:
Joe, if you're reading, you may use these as study tips for our website!

I'd like to know if anyone else has had success with other study methods!

Thanks for the question, and thanks for those who have already given their 
input.
Sincerely,
Bruce Sexton (B.J.), board member
NABS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading


> Just wondering, Rania, do you also take notes in class?
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
>
>
>> good topic. I also miss the high school days when I had things brailled. 
>> I
>> struggle to remember things too. I also look over my notes and use the
>> books
>> from RFBD but like you said I can't just skip the things on the pages 
>> that
>> the teacher told us not to wery about because if I go to another page 
>> then
>> I
>> miss what information is on the page that I need to know. I also have
>> trouble with getting the spelling of some wirds because some times when
>> the
>> spelling of a wird is in the book it is spelled to fast and other wirds
>> are
>> not spelled at all. I try to make up my own study guides if I know what 
>> is
>> going to be on the test and try to make up my own test questions. Another
>> thing I do is I record the class and play it back and I even have a 
>> friend
>> quiz me on the material. Any other tips will be helpful.
>> Rania,
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:07 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I may have asked a similar question; but with new people here there may
>>> be
>>> more ideas.  As a student with lots of dense matterial to learn and
>>> multiple classes its overwelming.  I miss the high school days when I 
>>> had
>>> braille texts and audio books from RFB; I used both and this made me
>>> retain info better.  Right now to study and read matterial I do this:
>>> 1. Take notes while reading.  If with a reader, ask them to highlight
>>> some
>>> info and I can review the highlights later with a reader.  Repetition
>>> helps.
>>> 2. I read over notes.
>>> 3. I go over the points in the summary if the text has one as well as
>>> bold
>>> words with a reader; my reader skims for them.
>>> 4. Occassionally the text has a website with practice questions.  If
>>> accessible, I'll use it.
>>>
>>> The challenges i face without seeing and the benefit of skimming are
>>> many.
>>> First I cannot look up concepts independently.  What if I forget
>>> something
>>> and wish to look it up since its unclear in my notes, I can't do this.
>>> For instance today I wanted to look up family systems in my abnormal
>>> child
>>> psychology book.
>>> Second, I don't know how to spell some words.  I try and ask a reader as
>>> we go along or if electronic text, listen to it, and copy.  But since 
>>> i'm
>>> focussed on the matterial, sometimes i forget.  Third, tables and charts
>>> are challenging.  Sometimes my readers read it well.  Depends on the
>>> complexity; those with boxes and arrows are harder than reading tables
>>> with text in columns.
>>> Fourth, unless I'm reading with someone live its harder to skip over
>>> irrelevant info.  Texts can be redundant giving you multiple research
>>> studies for the same thing.  So I read all of it taking longer.  A
>>> sighted
>>> student will skim and skip for highlights.  I consider myself a good
>>> student and wish to do well.  But it takes longer doing it auditorily 
>>> and
>>> that can be annoying.
>>>
>>> So any ideas you have for study and remembering would be good to know.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 11:34:18 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:34:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
References: <1A88C35791F541B1BC42EC8FA57A59BB@Ashley><007001c934ff$eea782b0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<009101c9356d$5c7bbb90$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <001301c935cc$7465f810$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

yes I do even tho they don't make much sence because i have a difficult time 
trying to write down what the teacher is saying and sometimes everything the 
teacher tells us is important but I miss other information that I need only 
because I am still trying to make notes on what she said earlyer.
Rania,
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading


> Just wondering, Rania, do you also take notes in class?
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 7:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
>
>
>> good topic. I also miss the high school days when I had things brailled. 
>> I
>> struggle to remember things too. I also look over my notes and use the
>> books
>> from RFBD but like you said I can't just skip the things on the pages 
>> that
>> the teacher told us not to wery about because if I go to another page 
>> then
>> I
>> miss what information is on the page that I need to know. I also have
>> trouble with getting the spelling of some wirds because some times when
>> the
>> spelling of a wird is in the book it is spelled to fast and other wirds
>> are
>> not spelled at all. I try to make up my own study guides if I know what 
>> is
>> going to be on the test and try to make up my own test questions. Another
>> thing I do is I record the class and play it back and I even have a 
>> friend
>> quiz me on the material. Any other tips will be helpful.
>> Rania,
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:07 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] study techniques and reading
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I may have asked a similar question; but with new people here there may
>>> be
>>> more ideas.  As a student with lots of dense matterial to learn and
>>> multiple classes its overwelming.  I miss the high school days when I 
>>> had
>>> braille texts and audio books from RFB; I used both and this made me
>>> retain info better.  Right now to study and read matterial I do this:
>>> 1. Take notes while reading.  If with a reader, ask them to highlight
>>> some
>>> info and I can review the highlights later with a reader.  Repetition
>>> helps.
>>> 2. I read over notes.
>>> 3. I go over the points in the summary if the text has one as well as
>>> bold
>>> words with a reader; my reader skims for them.
>>> 4. Occassionally the text has a website with practice questions.  If
>>> accessible, I'll use it.
>>>
>>> The challenges i face without seeing and the benefit of skimming are
>>> many.
>>> First I cannot look up concepts independently.  What if I forget
>>> something
>>> and wish to look it up since its unclear in my notes, I can't do this.
>>> For instance today I wanted to look up family systems in my abnormal
>>> child
>>> psychology book.
>>> Second, I don't know how to spell some words.  I try and ask a reader as
>>> we go along or if electronic text, listen to it, and copy.  But since 
>>> i'm
>>> focussed on the matterial, sometimes i forget.  Third, tables and charts
>>> are challenging.  Sometimes my readers read it well.  Depends on the
>>> complexity; those with boxes and arrows are harder than reading tables
>>> with text in columns.
>>> Fourth, unless I'm reading with someone live its harder to skip over
>>> irrelevant info.  Texts can be redundant giving you multiple research
>>> studies for the same thing.  So I read all of it taking longer.  A
>>> sighted
>>> student will skim and skip for highlights.  I consider myself a good
>>> student and wish to do well.  But it takes longer doing it auditorily 
>>> and
>>> that can be annoying.
>>>
>>> So any ideas you have for study and remembering would be good to know.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 11:58:23 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:58:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
References: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <003f01c935cf$d18e34f0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I think they should learn how to scan there own documents and know how to 
use jaws. I didn't know how to do that and using jaws on a computer in high 
school was not pushed even tho I was getting training on how to use jaws at 
home and did use jaws a little in high school. I found out that my high 
school had kerswale but it never got used because know one new how to use 
it. Depending on ware you go to school and the amount of classes you are 
taking it might be better to do all of your scanning your self. I have to do 
that since I don't have any one to help me with it. You also have to work 
with how the scanned documents come out because not every thing is going to 
scan well.Be prepaired to have a limited number of things brailled or none 
at all because in college you don't see much of it at all if any. I can say 
that I kind of new to expect that but I didn't really understand that until 
I actually got there. Record your classes if you feel that will help you in 
addission to taking notes in class. as for looking for colleges look for the 
school that you want to go to that has the major you are interested in. If 
you are the first blind student to ever attend at that school have an idea 
or know what accomadations you need. Don't be afraid to ask questions of 
your instructors  and anyone else helping you. Learn how to advicate for 
your self. If something doesn't work try to find a way to work with your 
instructor to come up with another way that you both agree on so you can get 
the job done. Have fun! even tho it is a lot of hard work I enjoy what I am 
doing.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "Arizona Students" <arizona-students at nfbnet.org>; "'California 
Students'" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Colorado Center" 
<ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org>; "'Colorado Students'" <cabs at nfbnet.org>; "Florida 
Students" <fabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Illinois Students'" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; 
"'Kansas Students'" <kabs at nfbnet.org>; "Kentucky Students" 
<nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>; "Louisiana Students" <la-students at nfbnet.org>; 
"Michigan" <mi-abs at nfbnet.org>; "Minnesota Students" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; 
"Missouri" <mabs at nfbnet.org>; "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Nebraska" 
<nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Hampshire Students" 
<new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Jersey Students" 
<njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'North Carolina Students'" <ncabs at nfbnet.org>; 
"Ohio" <oabs at nfbnet.org>; "Pennsylvania" <nfbofpa at att.net>; "Presidents" 
<Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "TABS Students" 
<tabs_students at googlegroups.com>; "Tennessee Students" <tabs at nfbnet.org>; 
"'Utah Students'" <uabs at nfbnet.org>; "Virginia Students" 
<vabs at www.nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students


> Hello all,
>
> I just discovered my mass mailing announcing the NABS web site development
> skipped a handful of student divisions.  You didn't miss anything.  The
> short of it is that I am working with the NABS board to launch the 
> official
> NABS web site in the next few months.
>
> One of the items I am incorporating into the site is a compilation of 
> quick
> tip sheets on a number of subjects of interest to students, tip sheets
> generated based on your own personal experiences.  To start, I am looking
> for college students who can share their top ten best tips for high
> schoolers on the verge of applying for college.  What did you look for in 
> a
> college or university?  How should high schoolers prepare for in the way 
> of
> readers, accommodations, dealing with professors?
>
> My own tip is this:
>
> Learn how to use Microsoft Office.  Downloading illegal music, swapping
> e-mails and chatting on messengers is only going to get you so far, and I 
> am
> still surprised by the number of students who enter college unable to
> correctly format a research paper.  For that matter, learn how to write, 
> or
> at least spell, but one step at a time.
>
> Send us your own tips.  One or ten.  Help us make this a good list for 
> high
> school students to peruse as they make preparations for this very 
> important
> step in their lives.  I'll work with the NABS board to incorporate your
> suggestions into a final document which will then be made available on the
> site when it is launched.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> M.
> Barrie
>
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Fri Oct 24 14:13:02 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:13:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
Message-ID: <20081024140903.NWDQ28257.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hello Rania.  I have to agree with you.  In high school I never 
really learned to advocate for myself until I started college.  I 
learned to scan my documents in high but didn't have to do so.  I 
had a full-time transcriber to do this for me.  Doing my school 
work was enough of a challenge at the time.  Now that I've 
graduated from high school, I urge current high school students 
to not let teachers give you a "free ride." My teachers didn't 
know how to teach me because I was the first blind student at my 
high school.  They let by with a's and b's when I was doing D 
work.  Don't let that happen.  It will come back to bite you in 
the long-run.  I am in my senior year of college now and will 
graduate in May.  I currently have a 3.8 GPA and it's all earned.  
Please.  Enjoy the time you have in high school, but work hard.  
Sometimes, as blind people, we have to work twice as hard as our 
sighted counterparts.  It may take us longer to do our 
assignments because we have to san documents, etc.  Don't let it 
stop you.
hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:58:23 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students

>I think they should learn how to scan there own documents and 
know how to
>use jaws.  I didn't know how to do that and using jaws on a 
computer in high
>school was not pushed even tho I was getting training on how to 
use jaws at
>home and did use jaws a little in high school.  I found out that 
my high
>school had kerswale but it never got used because know one new 
how to use
>it.  Depending on ware you go to school and the amount of classes 
you are
>taking it might be better to do all of your scanning your self.  
I have to do
>that since I don't have any one to help me with it.  You also 
have to work
>with how the scanned documents come out because not every thing 
is going to
>scan well.Be prepaired to have a limited number of things 
brailled or none
>at all because in college you don't see much of it at all if any.  
I can say
>that I kind of new to expect that but I didn't really understand 
that until
>I actually got there.  Record your classes if you feel that will 
help you in
>addission to taking notes in class.  as for looking for colleges 
look for the
>school that you want to go to that has the major you are 
interested in.  If
>you are the first blind student to ever attend at that school 
have an idea
>or know what accomadations you need.  Don't be afraid to ask 
questions of
>your instructors  and anyone else helping you.  Learn how to 
advicate for
>your self.  If something doesn't work try to find a way to work 
with your
>instructor to come up with another way that you both agree on so 
you can get
>the job done.  Have fun! even tho it is a lot of hard work I 
enjoy what I am
>doing.
>Rania,
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com
>To: "Arizona Students" <arizona-students at nfbnet.org>; 
"'California
>Students'" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Colorado Center"
><ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org>; "'Colorado Students'" <cabs at nfbnet.org>; 
"Florida
>Students" <fabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Illinois Students'" 
<iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>"'Kansas Students'" <kabs at nfbnet.org>; "Kentucky Students"
><nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>; "Louisiana Students" 
<la-students at nfbnet.org>;
>"Michigan" <mi-abs at nfbnet.org>; "Minnesota Students" 
<mn-abs at nfbnet.org>;
>"Missouri" <mabs at nfbnet.org>; "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
"Nebraska"
><nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Hampshire Students"
><new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Jersey Students"
><njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'North Carolina Students'" 
<ncabs at nfbnet.org>;
>"Ohio" <oabs at nfbnet.org>; "Pennsylvania" <nfbofpa at att.net>; 
"Presidents"
><Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "TABS Students"
><tabs_students at googlegroups.com>; "Tennessee Students" 
<tabs at nfbnet.org>;
>"'Utah Students'" <uabs at nfbnet.org>; "Virginia Students"
><vabs at www.nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students


>> Hello all,

>> I just discovered my mass mailing announcing the NABS web site 
development
>> skipped a handful of student divisions.  You didn't miss 
anything.  The
>> short of it is that I am working with the NABS board to launch 
the
>> official
>> NABS web site in the next few months.

>> One of the items I am incorporating into the site is a 
compilation of
>> quick
>> tip sheets on a number of subjects of interest to students, tip 
sheets
>> generated based on your own personal experiences.  To start, I 
am looking
>> for college students who can share their top ten best tips for 
high
>> schoolers on the verge of applying for college.  What did you 
look for in
>> a
>> college or university?  How should high schoolers prepare for in 
the way
>> of
>> readers, accommodations, dealing with professors?

>> My own tip is this:

>> Learn how to use Microsoft Office.  Downloading illegal music, 
swapping
>> e-mails and chatting on messengers is only going to get you so 
far, and I
>> am
>> still surprised by the number of students who enter college 
unable to
>> correctly format a research paper.  For that matter, learn how 
to write,
>> or
>> at least spell, but one step at a time.

>> Send us your own tips.  One or ten.  Help us make this a good 
list for
>> high
>> school students to peruse as they make preparations for this 
very
>> important
>> step in their lives.  I'll work with the NABS board to 
incorporate your
>> suggestions into a final document which will then be made 
available on the
>> site when it is launched.

>> Regards,

>> Joe Orozco

>> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for 
humanity."--James
>> M.
>> Barrie


>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 16:33:12 2008
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 03:33:12 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
Message-ID: <b6b933030810240933m4e806d69x80b886b59956f0ff@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the
"Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if
it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline,
Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either
Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the
country?

Arielle


From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 18:42:30 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:42:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
In-Reply-To: <20081024140903.NWDQ28257.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
References: <20081024140903.NWDQ28257.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <20081024184230.GB74117@bluecherry.net>

Hope,

I would like to echo what you said about the need to work harder than
other students may have to.  Just because others know that you may need
more time to do certain tasks does not mean they should "go easy" on you
because of it.  Nobody is going to go go easy on you after you get out of
school.

That said, there is much emphasis on doing things in college as practice
for the so-called "real world".  If ind often that this emphasis is
misplaced.  For example, the insistence that blind people produce their
own textbooks makes no sense whatsoever, in my opinion.  Certainly, a
blind person should know how to scan a document themselves, but that does
not mean they should be taking the time to scan several entire books the
first week of every term.

Also certainly, DSOs are unreliable as a general rule in terms of
providing the necessary accommodation in a timely, efficient, and
acceptable manner.  This does not, however, excuse them from their legal
obligation to provide these things.  Moreover, the most efficient way to
handle the textbook situation is to obtain an electronic book from the
publisher directly, and the publishers will not provide this to a student.
You MUST operate through your DSO to obtain this.  Not only that, but
scanned documents may be lacking information you don't know is missing
until you must scramble to find out what exactly you don't know.

The simple reality is that university life is not the real world.  In
fact, it has no relation to the real world.  It is an artificial
institutional system and must be approached as one.  In the real world,
you are free to provide yourself with whatever you need.  In the
university world, you may not necessarily have the option to do the thing
that makes the most sense.

These are the lessons I have had to learn, usually the hard way.

Joseph

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:13:02AM -0400, Hope Paulos wrote:
> Hello Rania.  I have to agree with you.  In high school I never 
> really learned to advocate for myself until I started college.  I 
> learned to scan my documents in high but didn't have to do so.  I 
> had a full-time transcriber to do this for me.  Doing my school 
> work was enough of a challenge at the time.  Now that I've 
> graduated from high school, I urge current high school students 
> to not let teachers give you a "free ride." My teachers didn't 
> know how to teach me because I was the first blind student at my 
> high school.  They let by with a's and b's when I was doing D 
> work.  Don't let that happen.  It will come back to bite you in 
> the long-run.  I am in my senior year of college now and will 
> graduate in May.  I currently have a 3.8 GPA and it's all earned.  
> Please.  Enjoy the time you have in high school, but work hard.  
> Sometimes, as blind people, we have to work twice as hard as our 
> sighted counterparts.  It may take us longer to do our 
> assignments because we have to san documents, etc.  Don't let it 
> stop you.
> hope and Beignet
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
> >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:58:23 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
> 
> >I think they should learn how to scan there own documents and 
> know how to
> >use jaws.  I didn't know how to do that and using jaws on a 
> computer in high
> >school was not pushed even tho I was getting training on how to 
> use jaws at
> >home and did use jaws a little in high school.  I found out that 
> my high
> >school had kerswale but it never got used because know one new 
> how to use
> >it.  Depending on ware you go to school and the amount of classes 
> you are
> >taking it might be better to do all of your scanning your self.  
> I have to do
> >that since I don't have any one to help me with it.  You also 
> have to work
> >with how the scanned documents come out because not every thing 
> is going to
> >scan well.Be prepaired to have a limited number of things 
> brailled or none
> >at all because in college you don't see much of it at all if any.  
> I can say
> >that I kind of new to expect that but I didn't really understand 
> that until
> >I actually got there.  Record your classes if you feel that will 
> help you in
> >addission to taking notes in class.  as for looking for colleges 
> look for the
> >school that you want to go to that has the major you are 
> interested in.  If
> >you are the first blind student to ever attend at that school 
> have an idea
> >or know what accomadations you need.  Don't be afraid to ask 
> questions of
> >your instructors  and anyone else helping you.  Learn how to 
> advicate for
> >your self.  If something doesn't work try to find a way to work 
> with your
> >instructor to come up with another way that you both agree on so 
> you can get
> >the job done.  Have fun! even tho it is a lot of hard work I 
> enjoy what I am
> >doing.
> >Rania,
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com
> >To: "Arizona Students" <arizona-students at nfbnet.org>; 
> "'California
> >Students'" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Colorado Center"
> ><ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org>; "'Colorado Students'" <cabs at nfbnet.org>; 
> "Florida
> >Students" <fabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Illinois Students'" 
> <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>;
> >"'Kansas Students'" <kabs at nfbnet.org>; "Kentucky Students"
> ><nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>; "Louisiana Students" 
> <la-students at nfbnet.org>;
> >"Michigan" <mi-abs at nfbnet.org>; "Minnesota Students" 
> <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>;
> >"Missouri" <mabs at nfbnet.org>; "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
> "Nebraska"
> ><nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Hampshire Students"
> ><new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Jersey Students"
> ><njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'North Carolina Students'" 
> <ncabs at nfbnet.org>;
> >"Ohio" <oabs at nfbnet.org>; "Pennsylvania" <nfbofpa at att.net>; 
> "Presidents"
> ><Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "TABS Students"
> ><tabs_students at googlegroups.com>; "Tennessee Students" 
> <tabs at nfbnet.org>;
> >"'Utah Students'" <uabs at nfbnet.org>; "Virginia Students"
> ><vabs at www.nfbnet.org
> >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 PM
> >Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
> 
> 
> >> Hello all,
> 
> >> I just discovered my mass mailing announcing the NABS web site 
> development
> >> skipped a handful of student divisions.  You didn't miss 
> anything.  The
> >> short of it is that I am working with the NABS board to launch 
> the
> >> official
> >> NABS web site in the next few months.
> 
> >> One of the items I am incorporating into the site is a 
> compilation of
> >> quick
> >> tip sheets on a number of subjects of interest to students, tip 
> sheets
> >> generated based on your own personal experiences.  To start, I 
> am looking
> >> for college students who can share their top ten best tips for 
> high
> >> schoolers on the verge of applying for college.  What did you 
> look for in
> >> a
> >> college or university?  How should high schoolers prepare for in 
> the way
> >> of
> >> readers, accommodations, dealing with professors?
> 
> >> My own tip is this:
> 
> >> Learn how to use Microsoft Office.  Downloading illegal music, 
> swapping
> >> e-mails and chatting on messengers is only going to get you so 
> far, and I
> >> am
> >> still surprised by the number of students who enter college 
> unable to
> >> correctly format a research paper.  For that matter, learn how 
> to write,
> >> or
> >> at least spell, but one step at a time.
> 
> >> Send us your own tips.  One or ten.  Help us make this a good 
> list for
> >> high
> >> school students to peruse as they make preparations for this 
> very
> >> important
> >> step in their lives.  I'll work with the NABS board to 
> incorporate your
> >> suggestions into a final document which will then be made 
> available on the
> >> site when it is launched.
> 
> >> Regards,
> 
> >> Joe Orozco
> 
> >> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for 
> humanity."--James
> >> M.
> >> Barrie
> 
> 
> >> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Fri Oct 24 18:45:34 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:45:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
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I would say find out what courses you want to take in first year early - as
soon as you have accepted your offer of admission to a given university. Try
to work with the registrar and the students with disabilities office to get
you registered ahead of time into these courses. This will allow you to know
exactly what textbooks you need come September, which means that translation
of them into an alternative format can begin early. You don't want to have
to wait until mid-terms to get books. Also sign up for extracurriculars.
You'll enjoy your time at school more and have more chances to meet new
friends.
In short, do all the things I didn't. lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 PM
To: Arizona Students; 'California Students'; Colorado Center; 'Colorado
Students'; Florida Students; 'Illinois Students'; 'Kansas Students';
Kentucky Students; Louisiana Students; Michigan; Minnesota Students;
Missouri; National; Nebraska; New Hampshire Students; New Jersey Students;
'North Carolina Students'; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Presidents; TABS Students;
Tennessee Students; 'Utah Students'; Virginia Students
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students

Hello all,

I just discovered my mass mailing announcing the NABS web site development
skipped a handful of student divisions.  You didn't miss anything.  The
short of it is that I am working with the NABS board to launch the official
NABS web site in the next few months.

One of the items I am incorporating into the site is a compilation of quick
tip sheets on a number of subjects of interest to students, tip sheets
generated based on your own personal experiences.  To start, I am looking
for college students who can share their top ten best tips for high
schoolers on the verge of applying for college.  What did you look for in a
college or university?  How should high schoolers prepare for in the way of
readers, accommodations, dealing with professors?

My own tip is this:

Learn how to use Microsoft Office.  Downloading illegal music, swapping
e-mails and chatting on messengers is only going to get you so far, and I am
still surprised by the number of students who enter college unable to
correctly format a research paper.  For that matter, learn how to write, or
at least spell, but one step at a time.

Send us your own tips.  One or ten.  Help us make this a good list for high
school students to peruse as they make preparations for this very important
step in their lives.  I'll work with the NABS board to incorporate your
suggestions into a final document which will then be made available on the
site when it is launched.

Regards,

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 20:04:15 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:04:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
References: <20081024140903.NWDQ28257.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
	<20081024184230.GB74117@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <000501c93613$b23a3f10$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Yes I do also have to work so much harder than my classmates but that is 
also do to my learning disability in addission to my blindness. How ever I 
am still expected to meat the same requirements as my classmates I just 
might have to do things a little differently. I had a little bit of an idea 
as to what I would be getting in to but I still didn't know until I started.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students


> Hope,
>
> I would like to echo what you said about the need to work harder than
> other students may have to.  Just because others know that you may need
> more time to do certain tasks does not mean they should "go easy" on you
> because of it.  Nobody is going to go go easy on you after you get out of
> school.
>
> That said, there is much emphasis on doing things in college as practice
> for the so-called "real world".  If ind often that this emphasis is
> misplaced.  For example, the insistence that blind people produce their
> own textbooks makes no sense whatsoever, in my opinion.  Certainly, a
> blind person should know how to scan a document themselves, but that does
> not mean they should be taking the time to scan several entire books the
> first week of every term.
>
> Also certainly, DSOs are unreliable as a general rule in terms of
> providing the necessary accommodation in a timely, efficient, and
> acceptable manner.  This does not, however, excuse them from their legal
> obligation to provide these things.  Moreover, the most efficient way to
> handle the textbook situation is to obtain an electronic book from the
> publisher directly, and the publishers will not provide this to a student.
> You MUST operate through your DSO to obtain this.  Not only that, but
> scanned documents may be lacking information you don't know is missing
> until you must scramble to find out what exactly you don't know.
>
> The simple reality is that university life is not the real world.  In
> fact, it has no relation to the real world.  It is an artificial
> institutional system and must be approached as one.  In the real world,
> you are free to provide yourself with whatever you need.  In the
> university world, you may not necessarily have the option to do the thing
> that makes the most sense.
>
> These are the lessons I have had to learn, usually the hard way.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:13:02AM -0400, Hope Paulos wrote:
>> Hello Rania.  I have to agree with you.  In high school I never
>> really learned to advocate for myself until I started college.  I
>> learned to scan my documents in high but didn't have to do so.  I
>> had a full-time transcriber to do this for me.  Doing my school
>> work was enough of a challenge at the time.  Now that I've
>> graduated from high school, I urge current high school students
>> to not let teachers give you a "free ride." My teachers didn't
>> know how to teach me because I was the first blind student at my
>> high school.  They let by with a's and b's when I was doing D
>> work.  Don't let that happen.  It will come back to bite you in
>> the long-run.  I am in my senior year of college now and will
>> graduate in May.  I currently have a 3.8 GPA and it's all earned.
>> Please.  Enjoy the time you have in high school, but work hard.
>> Sometimes, as blind people, we have to work twice as hard as our
>> sighted counterparts.  It may take us longer to do our
>> assignments because we have to san documents, etc.  Don't let it
>> stop you.
>> hope and Beignet
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>> >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >Date sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:58:23 -0400
>> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
>>
>> >I think they should learn how to scan there own documents and
>> know how to
>> >use jaws.  I didn't know how to do that and using jaws on a
>> computer in high
>> >school was not pushed even tho I was getting training on how to
>> use jaws at
>> >home and did use jaws a little in high school.  I found out that
>> my high
>> >school had kerswale but it never got used because know one new
>> how to use
>> >it.  Depending on ware you go to school and the amount of classes
>> you are
>> >taking it might be better to do all of your scanning your self.
>> I have to do
>> >that since I don't have any one to help me with it.  You also
>> have to work
>> >with how the scanned documents come out because not every thing
>> is going to
>> >scan well.Be prepaired to have a limited number of things
>> brailled or none
>> >at all because in college you don't see much of it at all if any.
>> I can say
>> >that I kind of new to expect that but I didn't really understand
>> that until
>> >I actually got there.  Record your classes if you feel that will
>> help you in
>> >addission to taking notes in class.  as for looking for colleges
>> look for the
>> >school that you want to go to that has the major you are
>> interested in.  If
>> >you are the first blind student to ever attend at that school
>> have an idea
>> >or know what accomadations you need.  Don't be afraid to ask
>> questions of
>> >your instructors  and anyone else helping you.  Learn how to
>> advicate for
>> >your self.  If something doesn't work try to find a way to work
>> with your
>> >instructor to come up with another way that you both agree on so
>> you can get
>> >the job done.  Have fun! even tho it is a lot of hard work I
>> enjoy what I am
>> >doing.
>> >Rania,
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com
>> >To: "Arizona Students" <arizona-students at nfbnet.org>;
>> "'California
>> >Students'" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Colorado Center"
>> ><ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org>; "'Colorado Students'" <cabs at nfbnet.org>;
>> "Florida
>> >Students" <fabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Illinois Students'"
>> <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>;
>> >"'Kansas Students'" <kabs at nfbnet.org>; "Kentucky Students"
>> ><nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>; "Louisiana Students"
>> <la-students at nfbnet.org>;
>> >"Michigan" <mi-abs at nfbnet.org>; "Minnesota Students"
>> <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>;
>> >"Missouri" <mabs at nfbnet.org>; "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
>> "Nebraska"
>> ><nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Hampshire Students"
>> ><new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Jersey Students"
>> ><njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'North Carolina Students'"
>> <ncabs at nfbnet.org>;
>> >"Ohio" <oabs at nfbnet.org>; "Pennsylvania" <nfbofpa at att.net>;
>> "Presidents"
>> ><Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "TABS Students"
>> ><tabs_students at googlegroups.com>; "Tennessee Students"
>> <tabs at nfbnet.org>;
>> >"'Utah Students'" <uabs at nfbnet.org>; "Virginia Students"
>> ><vabs at www.nfbnet.org
>> >Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:30 PM
>> >Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
>>
>>
>> >> Hello all,
>>
>> >> I just discovered my mass mailing announcing the NABS web site
>> development
>> >> skipped a handful of student divisions.  You didn't miss
>> anything.  The
>> >> short of it is that I am working with the NABS board to launch
>> the
>> >> official
>> >> NABS web site in the next few months.
>>
>> >> One of the items I am incorporating into the site is a
>> compilation of
>> >> quick
>> >> tip sheets on a number of subjects of interest to students, tip
>> sheets
>> >> generated based on your own personal experiences.  To start, I
>> am looking
>> >> for college students who can share their top ten best tips for
>> high
>> >> schoolers on the verge of applying for college.  What did you
>> look for in
>> >> a
>> >> college or university?  How should high schoolers prepare for in
>> the way
>> >> of
>> >> readers, accommodations, dealing with professors?
>>
>> >> My own tip is this:
>>
>> >> Learn how to use Microsoft Office.  Downloading illegal music,
>> swapping
>> >> e-mails and chatting on messengers is only going to get you so
>> far, and I
>> >> am
>> >> still surprised by the number of students who enter college
>> unable to
>> >> correctly format a research paper.  For that matter, learn how
>> to write,
>> >> or
>> >> at least spell, but one step at a time.
>>
>> >> Send us your own tips.  One or ten.  Help us make this a good
>> list for
>> >> high
>> >> school students to peruse as they make preparations for this
>> very
>> >> important
>> >> step in their lives.  I'll work with the NABS board to
>> incorporate your
>> >> suggestions into a final document which will then be made
>> available on the
>> >> site when it is launched.
>>
>> >> Regards,
>>
>> >> Joe Orozco
>>
>> >> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for
>> humanity."--James
>> >> M.
>> >> Barrie
>>
>>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 20:26:53 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:26:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
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I heard there was an offensive article in O magazine, so I think
Blindness is still playing.
Beth

On 10/24/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the
> "Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if
> it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline,
> Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either
> Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
> Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the
> country?
>
> Arielle
>
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 16:28:55 2008
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:28:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0810241326s1e0f35b6gd27448ffe6f38f0d@mail.gmail.com>
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	<4383d01d0810241326s1e0f35b6gd27448ffe6f38f0d@mail.gmail.com>
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I think it's still playing where I live, Ruston, LA.  I'm not sure though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Beth
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?

I heard there was an offensive article in O magazine, so I think Blindness
is still playing.
Beth

On 10/24/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the 
> "Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if 
> it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline, 
> Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either 
> Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
> Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the 
> country?
>
> Arielle
>
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 17:39:37 2008
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:39:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
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References: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com>

The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate for
yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school, when
they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't
think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing. 

Take care, 

Liz 

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From jeff.young8806 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 17:49:51 2008
From: jeff.young8806 at gmail.com (Jeff)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:49:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
References: <b6b933030810240933m4e806d69x80b886b59956f0ff@mail.gmail.com><4383d01d0810241326s1e0f35b6gd27448ffe6f38f0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55EC7B8DB814D9E939F75608D0D0DC5@sarahd0fffdcf6>
Message-ID: <00a501c936ca$17fc1560$506c0e0a@Hyrum65>

If Blindness is still playing it's not doing very well at all. The first 
week it was out it made like two million, and dropped dromaticly after that.
Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?


>I think it's still playing where I live, Ruston, LA.  I'm not sure though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Beth
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
>
> I heard there was an offensive article in O magazine, so I think Blindness
> is still playing.
> Beth
>
> On 10/24/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the
>> "Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if
>> it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline,
>> Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either
>> Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
>> Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the
>> country?
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Oct 25 17:58:18 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:58:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
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	<490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAHRn7t6eWutHmTg0QGiW2cgBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

So true. Especially important in post-secondary. Also you have to be willing
to do more for yourself - from laundry (if you're leaving home) to
orientation and mobility to researching where best to get textbooks from.
Though it's not necessarily your job to do this, it guarantees it gets done.
Hope this helps.
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Liz Bottner
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students

The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate for
yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school, when
they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't
think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing. 

Take care, 

Liz 

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 18:16:52 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:16:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
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	<F55EC7B8DB814D9E939F75608D0D0DC5@sarahd0fffdcf6>
	<00a501c936ca$17fc1560$506c0e0a@Hyrum65>
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That's what I wanted to happen.  I checked my movie gadget and it
didn't even make the top of the box office.  Thank GOD!
Beth

On 10/25/08, Jeff <jeff.young8806 at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Blindness is still playing it's not doing very well at all. The first
> week it was out it made like two million, and dropped dromaticly after that.
> Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
>
>
>>I think it's still playing where I live, Ruston, LA.  I'm not sure though.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Beth
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
>>
>> I heard there was an offensive article in O magazine, so I think Blindness
>> is still playing.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 10/24/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the
>>> "Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if
>>> it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline,
>>> Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either
>>> Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
>>> Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the
>>> country?
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloos
>>> e%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Oct 25 18:25:34 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:25:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
In-Reply-To: <00a501c936ca$17fc1560$506c0e0a@Hyrum65>
References: <b6b933030810240933m4e806d69x80b886b59956f0ff@mail.gmail.com><4383d01d0810241326s1e0f35b6gd27448ffe6f38f0d@mail.gmail.com>	<F55EC7B8DB814D9E939F75608D0D0DC5@sarahd0fffdcf6>
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I did some googling and couldn't find the blindness article in O magazine.
Where did you guys here of it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jeff
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?

If Blindness is still playing it's not doing very well at all. The first 
week it was out it made like two million, and dropped dromaticly after that.
Jeff
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?


>I think it's still playing where I live, Ruston, LA.  I'm not sure though.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Beth
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
>
> I heard there was an offensive article in O magazine, so I think Blindness
> is still playing.
> Beth
>
> On 10/24/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the
>> "Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if
>> it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline,
>> Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either
>> Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
>> Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the
>> country?
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloos
>> e%40gmail.com
>>
>
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 20:38:30 2008
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:38:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] test
Message-ID: <029301c936e1$a4f79400$88d8fe45@Dezman>

this is a test.

From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 21:40:59 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:40:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
In-Reply-To: <490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com>
References: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw>
	<490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20081025214059.GA83319@bluecherry.net>

I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form you
need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you can't stand
and the meeting was hostile, do this.

Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get to
those messages as well.

If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally, when
things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of
how ugly.

Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case you
need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere,
and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets people
promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back it up
regularly.  *grin*

Joseph

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate for
> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school, when
> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't
> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing. 
> 
> Take care, 
> 
> Liz 
> 
> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 21:42:40 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:42:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
In-Reply-To: <F55EC7B8DB814D9E939F75608D0D0DC5@sarahd0fffdcf6>
References: <b6b933030810240933m4e806d69x80b886b59956f0ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0810241326s1e0f35b6gd27448ffe6f38f0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55EC7B8DB814D9E939F75608D0D0DC5@sarahd0fffdcf6>
Message-ID: <20081025214240.GB83319@bluecherry.net>

Not according to Fandango.  Of course, Fandango lists only one theater in
the area.

Joseph

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 11:28:55AM -0500, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> I think it's still playing where I live, Ruston, LA.  I'm not sure though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Beth
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
> 
> I heard there was an offensive article in O magazine, so I think Blindness
> is still playing.
> Beth
> 
> On 10/24/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Last night I realized that we haven't heard much more about the 
> > "Blindness" film in the past couple weeks and I was curious to see if 
> > it was still playing. According to the infamous TellMe hotline, 
> > Blindness is no longer playing at all within 30 miles of either 
> > Boulder, CO, or Phoenix, AZ. So does this mean what I think it does?
> > Or is Blindness still playing on the big screen in some parts of the 
> > country?
> >
> > Arielle
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloos
> > e%40gmail.com
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 21:49:17 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:49:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No More White Sickness?
In-Reply-To: <00a501c936ca$17fc1560$506c0e0a@Hyrum65>
References: <F55EC7B8DB814D9E939F75608D0D0DC5@sarahd0fffdcf6>
	<00a501c936ca$17fc1560$506c0e0a@Hyrum65>
Message-ID: <20081025214917.GC83319@bluecherry.net>

What's sad is that IMDB is doing their best to make it sound like an
important and inspirational film, rather than the ill-conceived tripe that
it is.

Joseph

On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 12:49:51PM -0500, Jeff wrote:
> If Blindness is still playing it's not doing very well at all. The first 
> week it was out it made like two million, and dropped dromaticly after that.
> Jeff


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 23:42:03 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:42:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
In-Reply-To: <20081025214059.GA83319@bluecherry.net>
References: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw>
	<490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com>
	<20081025214059.GA83319@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810251642y3a6caf9cs56b7a954b3cb469e@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
Beth

On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form you
> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you can't stand
> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>
> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get to
> those messages as well.
>
> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally, when
> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of
> how ugly.
>
> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case you
> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere,
> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets people
> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back it up
> regularly.  *grin*
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate
>> for
>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>> when
>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't
>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Oct 25 23:56:25 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:56:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
Message-ID: <102520082356.29291.4903B2290003ACFA0000726B2200761438010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello all,

first of all joe this is a awesome list to have on the web site for nabs, and i also have a tip or two to recommend for high school students who are entering college. know how to use the internet! you will have to learn how to use databases, search engines, and e-texts on the web for accessing materials for classes, and also for conducting research for classes in doing projects and papers.

when i got out of high school the internet was just a new thing, but today if you don't know how to use it you will be lost! so, there's my tip for tat on this topic! thanks for posting it here, and i will talk to you soon!



hugs,
amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> 

> I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your 
> social skills are up. I know this because let's face it, I don't 
> beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking 
> a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt. 
> Beth 
> 
> On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter wrote: 
> > I'll add another: Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form you 
> > need to. After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with 
> > and thank them for meeting with you. Even if it's someone you can't stand 
> > and the meeting was hostile, do this. 
> > 
> > Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your 
> > thank-you. Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them 
> > away. If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the 
> > person you met with a chance to clarify. If the meeting was less 
> > friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are 
> > saying now that it's written down somewhere. File responses you get to 
> > those messages as well. 
> > 
> > If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not. Generally, when 
> > things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives 
> > people reminders of things they might otherwise forget. It's a good 
> > thing, and it makes everything much more efficient. It only starts to 
> > bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of 
> > how ugly. 
> > 
> > Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for 
> > the rest of your life. It really is handy, and I don't mean in case you 
> > need to call someone a liar, either. It puts the important details in 
> > electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms. 
> > You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales 
> > figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere, 
> > and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets people 
> > promoted. This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the 
> > extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back it up 
> > regularly. *grin* 
> > 
> > Joseph 
> > 
> > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote: 
> >> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate 
> >> for 
> >> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school, 
> >> when 
> >> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't 
> >> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing. 
> >> 
> >> Take care, 
> >> 
> >> Liz 
> >> 
> >> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: 
> >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________ 
> >> nabs-l mailing list 
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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> m 
> > 
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> > 
> 
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 26 03:06:30 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 20:06:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0810251642y3a6caf9cs56b7a954b3cb469e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <918927.56860.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,
 
Be prepared to laugh, both when things are going well and when things are stressful.  And always be able to laugh at yourself when you make mistakes, because it will happen; learn from them... we all, sighted or blind, make them!
 
And most important of all, realize that people are people, whether you are in college, on the job, in high school, or anywhere else in life.  This means that social skills, advocacy skills, a sense of humor, etc. are skills that are not specific to students who are blind or have other disabilities, but are useful even if you have no disability... everyone in the world has had to use each one of these skills and techniques at some point in their lives, no matter who they are.
 
Have fun!  It's a great experience!  Remember:  The little things are what you will remember most, so don't get bogged down with details!
 
Cheers,
 
Harry

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 6:42 PM

I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
Beth

On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form
you
> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you
can't stand
> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>
> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get
to
> those messages as well.
>
> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally,
when
> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of
> how ugly.
>
> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case
you
> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere,
> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets
people
> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back
it up
> regularly.  *grin*
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to
advocate
>> for
>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>> when
>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I
wouldn't
>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than
nothing.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>
>>
>>
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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Sun Oct 26 03:39:22 2008
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:39:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Call to IMMEDIATE ACTION by DAISY Members and Friends
Message-ID: <auto-000071348529@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The U.S. representatives are as follows:


ÉTATS-UNIS D’AMÉRIQUE/UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

David O. CARSON, Associate Register for Policy 
and International Affairs, United States 
Copyright Office, Library of Congress, Washington, D.C.

Michael SHAPIRO, United States Patent and 
Trademark Office, Alexandria, Virginia

Jacqueline MORALES (Ms.), Attorney Advisor, 
United States Patent and Trademark Office, Alexandria, Virginia


 >>> kerscher at montana.com 10/22/2008 3:37 PM >>>
Dear DAISY Members and Friends,

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) will be considering a
copyright treaty proposed by the World Blind Union (WBU) at the WIPO
November 3 Standing Committee Meeting. The treaty, called "WIPO Treaty for
Improved Access for Blind, Visually Impaired and other Reading Disabled
Persons" is available online at:
<http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_en.html.>http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_en.html. 


We are asking all of you to contact your country's representative who will
be attending the WIPO Standing Committee meeting and advocate in favor of
this draft treaty. We need you to act now, because the meeting will take
place in ten days.

Information and links to supporting documents are provided immediately below
in this email. We also offer some guidance on who to contact in your country
and some assistance finding the right person.

1. On the front page of the DAISY Website under "Recent News" is the link to
an article that provides further detail. It also contains links to the draft
treaty in HTML, DAISY 2.02, and in DAISY 3. DAISY home page:
<http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
Direct link to the news entry:
<http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.shtml?NewsId=458>http://www.daisy.org/news/news_detail.shtml?NewsId=458

2. The WIPO Standing Committee will be meeting November 3-7, 2008 and the
WBU proposed treaty is the first substantive item on the agenda. The agenda
can be found at:
<http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/doc_details.jsp?doc_id=108373>http://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/doc_details.jsp?doc_id=108373

3. DAISY Members and Friends should send their email letter in support of
the proposed treaty to the department/minister that is going to represent
their government in the SCCR/WIPO meeting. This information can normally be
found within the department of foreign affairs and education in your
country. If anybody has difficulties finding their SCCR representative we
have provided names of those who attended the last meeting. This can be
found at:
<http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/wipo_delegates_sccr16.html#toc17>http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/wipo_delegates_sccr16.html#toc17

If you are unable to find the name of the representative in your country at
the link provided above, please contact Judit Rius Sanjuan
[judit.rius at keionline.org] and/or Thiru Balasubramaniam
[thiru at keionline.org].

4. The treaty proposal put forward by the WBU is an extremely important
document which addresses information access on an international level. We
suggest you familiarize yourself with the proposal, and ask that each of you
contact the government representative in your country who will attend the
SCCR/WIPO meeting. Background and talking points are available at:
<http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_memo_en.html>http://www.keionline.org/misc-docs/tvi/tvi_memo_en.html

Best
George Kerscher, Secretary General, DAISY Consortium


George Kerscher Ph.D.
Access to information is a fundamental human right in our Information Age.
Senior Officer, Accessible Information
Recording For the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D)
<http://www.rfbd.org>http://www.rfbd.org
Secretary General, DAISY Consortium
<http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
Co-chair Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the W3C
<http://www.w3c.org/wai>http://www.w3c.org/wai
Board Representative to the International Digital Publishing Forum    (IDPF)
<http://www.idpf.org>http://www.idpf.org
Phone: +1 406/549-4687
Email: kerscher at montana.com




From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Oct 26 05:46:45 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 01:46:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
In-Reply-To: <918927.56860.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4383d01d0810251642y3a6caf9cs56b7a954b3cb469e@mail.gmail.com>
	<918927.56860.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAPDhVWVd+uhOg136obs+OuIBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

I've written a lot about this topic, but it's important and I keep thinking
of good things based on what I'm hearing from other list members.
Don't limit yourself with your disability. Or in any other way either, but
disability is the focus of the tips. If you want to go away for school,
don't let anyone tell you no and base their reasoning on your blindness.
You'll have a lot of adjustments whether at home or away, and but so does
everyone else so there's lots of support around. Be adventurous. It's a
great skill that will help anyone in the future. Don't limit yourself to a
certain program of study because of your vision either. Aviation may be out
of the question for a cane user, but math/sciences aren't. Though they pose
different and sometimes greater challenges than an arts degree because of a
greater challenge in obtaining textbooks and such, it's not impossible. I
love arts degrees by the way - I'm not trying to incite a rivalry here. I
leave that to the engineers <grin>
Have a great day,
Sarah
P.S.: Orientation and mobility training preferably before classes begin is a
huge help. Again not something I had too much of but it would have been a
great help. But of course they're a lot of people around who can help if you
won't have a lesson for days and need a route learned ...

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students

Hello,
 
Be prepared to laugh, both when things are going well and when things are
stressful.  And always be able to laugh at yourself when you make mistakes,
because it will happen; learn from them... we all, sighted or blind, make
them!
 
And most important of all, realize that people are people, whether you are
in college, on the job, in high school, or anywhere else in life.  This
means that social skills, advocacy skills, a sense of humor, etc. are skills
that are not specific to students who are blind or have other disabilities,
but are useful even if you have no disability... everyone in the world has
had to use each one of these skills and techniques at some point in their
lives, no matter who they are.
 
Have fun!  It's a great experience!  Remember:  The little things are what
you will remember most, so don't get bogged down with details!
 
Cheers,
 
Harry

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 6:42 PM

I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
Beth

On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form
you
> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you
can't stand
> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>
> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get
to
> those messages as well.
>
> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally,
when
> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of
> how ugly.
>
> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case
you
> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere,
> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets
people
> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back
it up
> regularly.  *grin*
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to
advocate
>> for
>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>> when
>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I
wouldn't
>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than
nothing.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 13:18:05 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:18:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
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	<918927.56860.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I didn't get much in the way of a training for mobility done anyway,
but still get support from a good organization here in Tallahassee.
Beth

On 10/26/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> I've written a lot about this topic, but it's important and I keep thinking
> of good things based on what I'm hearing from other list members.
> Don't limit yourself with your disability. Or in any other way either, but
> disability is the focus of the tips. If you want to go away for school,
> don't let anyone tell you no and base their reasoning on your blindness.
> You'll have a lot of adjustments whether at home or away, and but so does
> everyone else so there's lots of support around. Be adventurous. It's a
> great skill that will help anyone in the future. Don't limit yourself to a
> certain program of study because of your vision either. Aviation may be out
> of the question for a cane user, but math/sciences aren't. Though they pose
> different and sometimes greater challenges than an arts degree because of a
> greater challenge in obtaining textbooks and such, it's not impossible. I
> love arts degrees by the way - I'm not trying to incite a rivalry here. I
> leave that to the engineers <grin>
> Have a great day,
> Sarah
> P.S.: Orientation and mobility training preferably before classes begin is a
> huge help. Again not something I had too much of but it would have been a
> great help. But of course they're a lot of people around who can help if you
> won't have a lesson for days and need a route learned ...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Harry Hogue
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
>
> Hello,
>
> Be prepared to laugh, both when things are going well and when things are
> stressful.  And always be able to laugh at yourself when you make mistakes,
> because it will happen; learn from them... we all, sighted or blind, make
> them!
>
> And most important of all, realize that people are people, whether you are
> in college, on the job, in high school, or anywhere else in life.  This
> means that social skills, advocacy skills, a sense of humor, etc. are skills
> that are not specific to students who are blind or have other disabilities,
> but are useful even if you have no disability... everyone in the world has
> had to use each one of these skills and techniques at some point in their
> lives, no matter who they are.
>
> Have fun!  It's a great experience!  Remember:  The little things are what
> you will remember most, so don't get bogged down with details!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Harry
>
> --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 6:42 PM
>
> I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
> social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
> beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
> a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
> Beth
>
> On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form
> you
>> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
>> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you
> can't stand
>> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>>
>> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
>> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
>> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
>> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
>> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
>> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get
> to
>> those messages as well.
>>
>> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally,
> when
>> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
>> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
>> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
>> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of
>> how ugly.
>>
>> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
>> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case
> you
>> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
>> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
>> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
>> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere,
>> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets
> people
>> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
>> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back
> it up
>> regularly.  *grin*
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to
> advocate
>>> for
>>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>>> when
>>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I
> wouldn't
>>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than
> nothing.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Liz
>>>
>>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 15:15:38 2008
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:15:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] test
Message-ID: <03d001c9377d$b51ce820$88d8fe45@Dezman>

test

From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Sun Oct 26 17:38:24 2008
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:38:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] test
Message-ID: <20081026173654.KCUJ28684.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

It works...

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:15:38 -0500
>Subject: [nabs-l] test

>test
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Oct 26 19:12:24 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Register Now for the Motor City March!
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From: Kristi Bowman [
mailto:kbowman at nfb.org]

Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:37 PM


Subject: Register Now for the Motor City March!

  National Federation of the Blind logo

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  Graphic Photo boy with cane on the beach

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Greetings,

Summer has faded and Autumn is upon us.  It's time to reengage for this

year's March for Independence - A Walk for Opportunity walk-a-thon event in

Detroit, this July.  Once again, our goal this year is to raise at least one

million dollars.  This will take our collective energy, action, and

imagination.  I encourage all of you that have yet to register for this

year's event to do so now.  Whether you are a returning participant or you

are signing up for the first time, you will find instructions on how to

register at the end of this e-mail.  We will be announcing an assortment of

bonuses for those of you who are registered, raising money, and making your

goals early, so sign up now and start raising your funds.

Once you are registered for this year's Motor City March you can begin

personalizing your Web page and sending out e-mails to your contacts,

colleagues, family, and friends.

This year there are some changes and additions to everyone's personal page.

First of all, everyone will get a template page when they register.  Pages

will not carry over from last year.  If you need your text from last year,

or your pictures, please call.  We will retrieve the information and forward

it to you.  Additionally, there is an option to blog on your Web page!  This

is not just a good marketing tool, it is also a great way to keep your

network updated on your progress.  We are also finalizing efforts to add

widgets to social networking sites like Facebook.  Stay tuned!

Please pass this message and the registration instructions far and wide.  We

would like to see one thousand registered and raising by December 31, 2008.

Together, we can do this!

If you have any questions please contact Kristi Bowman at (410) 659-9314,

ext. 2406 or via e-mail at  <
mailto:kbowman at nfb.org
 > kbowman at nfb.org.

Thank you, Thank you...I look forward to working with each and every one of

you and serving our organization for what will prove to be another exciting

year.

At your service,

Kevan Worley

Imagination Fund Chairman

  <http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=QWxQKPLCiaqm9EWBEnBwFA..>

Register now for the Motor City march!

New Participants

1. Go to MarchForIndependence.org.

2. Click the Participate, Create a Team, or Join a Team link in the left

hand navigation panel to begin your registration.

3. When the screen refreshes you will be able to choose whether you will be

a marcher or a virtual marcher by selecting the radio button associated with

your choice.

     a) For "Participate" (to register as an individual marcher), when the

screen refreshes click, or hit enter on, the

    link that says "Register to March."

    b) For "Create a Team," when the screen refreshes enter your new team's

name and provide the team's goal

    amount.

    c) For "Join a Team," when the screen refreshes enter the name of the

team you'd like to join and click, or hit

    enter on, Search for a Team. When you see the name of the team displayed,

select the link for "Join."

4. If you would like to make an additional gift during your registration,

place that amount in the edit box following Additional Gift.  Here you will

also have an option of making this gift anonymously or for public view.

5. The next edit box is for your goal amount, enter your fundraising goal

here.  Please remember that each walker needs to raise at least $250 to

participate in the March for Independence- A Walk for Opportunity.  Your

goal needs to be at least $250.

6. Click the Next Step link at the bottom left of the page.

7. Enter your contact information as requested in the on screen form

directly into the edit boxes on your screen.

8. Click the Next Step button at the bottom left of the page.

9. This screen contains the waiver to participate in the walk.  If you agree

to the waiver, check the I agree box and then click the Next Screen button.

10. The next screen will summarize your registration.  If you need to make

any changes, simply click the Edit link to re-open your registration form,

otherwise, click the Complete Registration button in the bottom, right

corner and the next screen confirms your registration and provides a link to

your participant center.

11. Your can now begin personalizing your March For Independence - A Walk

for Opportunity Web page.

12. Follow the online instructions to personalize your page.  Some people

find the online training in MP3 format helpful, the link for online training

is in the left hand navigation bar.

13. Be creative!  Remember our goal is to educate, raise awareness, and to

raise at least one million dollars this year.  Keep this in mind as you

create your page.

14. If you have any questions or problems call (410) 659-9314, ext. 2406 for

assistance. We will be happy to help get anyone registered and help build a

dynamic page.

15. Spread the word, help get everyone registered.  If you feel really good

about managing the registration process, help train and step others through

the process.

16. Have fun raising money and know that you are sharing in the NFB dream!

Returning Participants

1. Go to
http://www.marchforindependence.org/

<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=lHqyDvyyaHbw4Y0pZF--xA..> .

2. Log

<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=zdjyr9KDLbO4HNmLSEXhrQ..>  in

using your user name and password.*

3. Once you are logged on, the screen will refresh, welcoming you to the

Website.

4. Click the Participate, Create a Team, or Join a Team link in the left

hand navigation panel to begin your registration.

    a) For "Participate" (to register as an individual marcher), when the

screen refreshes click, or hit enter on, the

    link that says "Register to March."

    b) For "Create a Team," when the screen refreshes enter your new team's

name and provide the team's goal

    amount.

    c) For "Join a Team," when the screen refreshes enter the name of the

team you'd like to join and click, or hit

    enter on, Search for a Team. When you see the name of the team displayed,

select the link for "Join."

5. When the screen refreshes you will be able to choose whether you will be

a marcher or a virtual marcher by selecting the radio button associated with

your choice.

6. If you would like to make an additional gift during your registration,

place that amount in the edit box following Additional Gift.  Here you will

also have an option of making this gift anonymously or for public view.

7. The next edit box is for your goal amount, enter your fundraising goal

here.  Please remember that each walker needs to raise at least $250 to

participate in the March for Independence - A Walk for Opportunity.  Your

goal needs to be at least $250.

8. Click the Next Step link at the bottom left of the page.

9. The next screen will display the contact information that you registered

with LAST YEAR.  Incorrect information, changed e-mail addresses, or phone

numbers can be corrected by directly editing the fields on the form. After

you are sure all of the information is correct, click the Next Step button

at the bottom left of the page.

10. This screen contains the waiver to participate in the walk.  If you

agree to the waiver, check the I agree box and then click the Next Screen

button.

11. The next screen will summarize your registration.  If you need to make

any changes, simply click the Edit link to re-open your registration form,

otherwise, click the Complete Registration button in the bottom, right

corner and the next screen confirms your registration and provides a link to

your participant center.

12. If you personalized your Web page last year, you will not have the same

changes.  This year everyone will start with the same template page.  Your

thermometer graphic will be reset to zero, your goal may be different than

last year (if you increased it this year), and the scrolling honor roll of

donor names will be empty unless you have already received gifts, in which

case you will also be registered.

13. You should personalize your page with your NFB story. Education,

awareness are our first priority.  People will donate to YOU because of your

STORY.  Add your story, download pictures, show everyone how the NFB has

changed what it means to be blind for you and your family.

14. If you have any questions or problems call (410) 659-9314, ext. 2406,

for assistance. We will be happy to register you and help you build a

dynamic page.

15. Spread the word, help get everyone registered.  If you feel really good

about managing the registration process, help train and step others through

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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 20:56:58 2008
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:56:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Inc Student C.J Wallace Gets Interviewed On
	Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <866C25EF7A8743E1AA542F605A7E3F37@homeuser>

Hello To All!
You read it right! An 18-year-old performer from North Carolina will be joining me and Crazy Chris for an interview about his music, how he got started, and more! Some samples of his work will be played, and you'll be able to talk with him live during the interview!
You may also know C.J if you were at yesterday's Blind Inc party, from last year, or from past shows when he's done sports updates for me, but he'll be there along with the show, which will start at 8 PM central.
In addition to Cj's interview, we've got a nice blend of pop and country to showcase for the evening!
During the show, your requests will be taken by email at
djd at thedjdinvasion.com
by msn messenger at
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
by aol instant messenger at
djdrocks
or when we're not playing a song or during the interview, you can call in and be put on the air live by dialing
1-516-874-5071
This should be an interesting show, which also might see an appearance from sister Beth, so to listen, save this email, and at 8 PM central, go to
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen.html
to be connected to the broadcast! I hope to see you all there!
Best regards,
David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com

From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 22:40:59 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:40:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interest in law
Message-ID: <20081026224059.GB91711@bluecherry.net>

Hi all,

Those of you who have known me for a long time will know that I've been a
lot of places, academically as well as geographically speaking.  The whole
time, I believe I have been building toward something--I haven't known
what exactly.  I think I will offer myself the short answer to my question
now, I should subscribe to the blind law list.  In the meantime, I'd like
some opinions--and please don't be afraid to share yours.  You don't have
to have known me for long to know that when I make up my mind about
something, I'm certainly willing to share mine!  *grin*

In order to get the kind of feedback I want, I probably need to provide
the background that got me where I am now.  Sorry, it's a little long.

For a time, I was a software developer.  Not a great one, perhaps, but I
could write an algorithm.  I did, however, learn to work with technology
extremely well, and I developed thinking, reasoning, and problem-solving
skills.  I learned to pick apart problems, but that's not really what a
"code monkey" does these days.  I didn't really enjoy the work that paid
my rent as well as the very similar work that didn't.  Plus, I lacked the
functional blindness skills and the social skills to succeed.

When these facts came to light, I took a career direction evaluation, and
chose one of the options far down on the list: Teacher.  I knew I wouldn't
survive the social dynamics in education, so I began a study of Psychology
since it is the science of explaining things I didn't understand in terms
that I did.  Through the grace of God and some assistance from a few
people in the right place at the right time, coupled with some experiences
at the Colorado Center for the Blind, basically that worked.

With my Psychology degree and a minor in Special Education, I'm now a
student in a Special Educator program whose curricula courses focus on
objective measurement, identifiable results, and reliable data.  My
advisor and favorite professor has told me that she is convinced that I
can be a fine special educator.  From her, this is high praise indeed and
is not lightly offered.  She does think, however, that I have other gifts
that would not be tapped to their potential in an elementary classroom,
and I think she's right.

More recently, I've learned of several cases where special education has
gone wrong.  Horribly wrong.  The causes are many: Apathy, irritation,
hostility, laziness, low expectations, and plain outright discrimination
on the basis of a disability, and that's just a start.  And lest you think
I'm talking about the schools here, I'm talking about teachers, parents,
and administrators and at every level from early intervention through
graduate school programs.  Most could be resolved by a good mediator or
arbitrator.  Some cannot be, and you need a good litigator.

I think a career connected to law is probably where this is going for me.
Being a reasonably religious person, this seems right because I believe
that God wastes nothing, and logically I can see that if I target
education or disability law, all of my experience is directly relevant to
my education, my experience, and my career.

Not only that, I remember as a teen looking over the course offerings at
places like MIT and being extremely excited just reading the titles.  I
find similar excitement today looking over the courses relevant to the
kinds of law related to disability, education, and possibly employment.
It seems like this is right for me because it gives me the chance to
educate the people who need it most (often teachers and parents) and to
seek real justice for people who often times have a hard time finding an
honest person who just wants to see the right thing happen.

If you're not asleep yet and can think of particular individuals I might
want to talk to, I'd love some suggestions.  I'd feel a little out of
place on the blind law list at the moment given that all I know are the
basics of the ADA, section 504, and IDEA that they teach teachers.

I'm also curious what you, my fellow nabsters, think about this potential
change in my education direction.  My student loan debt already scares the
bat snot out of me, and it'll double or triple if I go to law school!

I'd appreciate any input or advice.  I'd also like to know how a blind
person manages to get materials in a timely manner, which law schools have
been good to blind students, and which ones to avoid.  I'm in Oregon, and
we have three law schools, but little ties me to Oregon except a beautiful
woman I would expect to not see much for three years no matter where I go
to school.  She's got her own graduate program to attend to for most of
that time, and we have modern communication and travel at our disposal.

Thanks for reading, and in advance for sharing your thoughts.  *smile*

Joseph



From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Oct 27 00:03:12 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:03:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interest in law
In-Reply-To: <20081026224059.GB91711@bluecherry.net>
References: <20081026224059.GB91711@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000071412729@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Well, first I would recommend talking to Scott Labarre.  Secondly, 
the blindlaw list is generally friendly, and helpful, and I would 
recommend subscribing.

Dave

At 05:40 PM 10/26/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Those of you who have known me for a long time will know that I've been a
>lot of places, academically as well as geographically speaking.  The whole
>time, I believe I have been building toward something--I haven't known
>what exactly.  I think I will offer myself the short answer to my question
>now, I should subscribe to the blind law list.  In the meantime, I'd like
>some opinions--and please don't be afraid to share yours.  You don't have
>to have known me for long to know that when I make up my mind about
>something, I'm certainly willing to share mine!  *grin*
>
>In order to get the kind of feedback I want, I probably need to provide
>the background that got me where I am now.  Sorry, it's a little long.
>
>For a time, I was a software developer.  Not a great one, perhaps, but I
>could write an algorithm.  I did, however, learn to work with technology
>extremely well, and I developed thinking, reasoning, and problem-solving
>skills.  I learned to pick apart problems, but that's not really what a
>"code monkey" does these days.  I didn't really enjoy the work that paid
>my rent as well as the very similar work that didn't.  Plus, I lacked the
>functional blindness skills and the social skills to succeed.
>
>When these facts came to light, I took a career direction evaluation, and
>chose one of the options far down on the list: Teacher.  I knew I wouldn't
>survive the social dynamics in education, so I began a study of Psychology
>since it is the science of explaining things I didn't understand in terms
>that I did.  Through the grace of God and some assistance from a few
>people in the right place at the right time, coupled with some experiences
>at the Colorado Center for the Blind, basically that worked.
>
>With my Psychology degree and a minor in Special Education, I'm now a
>student in a Special Educator program whose curricula courses focus on
>objective measurement, identifiable results, and reliable data.  My
>advisor and favorite professor has told me that she is convinced that I
>can be a fine special educator.  From her, this is high praise indeed and
>is not lightly offered.  She does think, however, that I have other gifts
>that would not be tapped to their potential in an elementary classroom,
>and I think she's right.
>
>More recently, I've learned of several cases where special education has
>gone wrong.  Horribly wrong.  The causes are many: Apathy, irritation,
>hostility, laziness, low expectations, and plain outright discrimination
>on the basis of a disability, and that's just a start.  And lest you think
>I'm talking about the schools here, I'm talking about teachers, parents,
>and administrators and at every level from early intervention through
>graduate school programs.  Most could be resolved by a good mediator or
>arbitrator.  Some cannot be, and you need a good litigator.
>
>I think a career connected to law is probably where this is going for me.
>Being a reasonably religious person, this seems right because I believe
>that God wastes nothing, and logically I can see that if I target
>education or disability law, all of my experience is directly relevant to
>my education, my experience, and my career.
>
>Not only that, I remember as a teen looking over the course offerings at
>places like MIT and being extremely excited just reading the titles.  I
>find similar excitement today looking over the courses relevant to the
>kinds of law related to disability, education, and possibly employment.
>It seems like this is right for me because it gives me the chance to
>educate the people who need it most (often teachers and parents) and to
>seek real justice for people who often times have a hard time finding an
>honest person who just wants to see the right thing happen.
>
>If you're not asleep yet and can think of particular individuals I might
>want to talk to, I'd love some suggestions.  I'd feel a little out of
>place on the blind law list at the moment given that all I know are the
>basics of the ADA, section 504, and IDEA that they teach teachers.
>
>I'm also curious what you, my fellow nabsters, think about this potential
>change in my education direction.  My student loan debt already scares the
>bat snot out of me, and it'll double or triple if I go to law school!
>
>I'd appreciate any input or advice.  I'd also like to know how a blind
>person manages to get materials in a timely manner, which law schools have
>been good to blind students, and which ones to avoid.  I'm in Oregon, and
>we have three law schools, but little ties me to Oregon except a beautiful
>woman I would expect to not see much for three years no matter where I go
>to school.  She's got her own graduate program to attend to for most of
>that time, and we have modern communication and travel at our disposal.
>
>Thanks for reading, and in advance for sharing your thoughts.  *smile*
>
>Joseph
>
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Oct 27 01:17:57 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:17:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Interest in law
In-Reply-To: <20081026224059.GB91711@bluecherry.net>
References: <20081026224059.GB91711@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAMIhXFHPrk9MpOcOdXGKyHoBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

This sounds great! Best of luck. I believe there is a blind lawyer in
Toronto I can find the name of. Will this help, even if he's not in the
States?
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:41 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Interest in law

Hi all,

Those of you who have known me for a long time will know that I've been a
lot of places, academically as well as geographically speaking.  The whole
time, I believe I have been building toward something--I haven't known
what exactly.  I think I will offer myself the short answer to my question
now, I should subscribe to the blind law list.  In the meantime, I'd like
some opinions--and please don't be afraid to share yours.  You don't have
to have known me for long to know that when I make up my mind about
something, I'm certainly willing to share mine!  *grin*

In order to get the kind of feedback I want, I probably need to provide
the background that got me where I am now.  Sorry, it's a little long.

For a time, I was a software developer.  Not a great one, perhaps, but I
could write an algorithm.  I did, however, learn to work with technology
extremely well, and I developed thinking, reasoning, and problem-solving
skills.  I learned to pick apart problems, but that's not really what a
"code monkey" does these days.  I didn't really enjoy the work that paid
my rent as well as the very similar work that didn't.  Plus, I lacked the
functional blindness skills and the social skills to succeed.

When these facts came to light, I took a career direction evaluation, and
chose one of the options far down on the list: Teacher.  I knew I wouldn't
survive the social dynamics in education, so I began a study of Psychology
since it is the science of explaining things I didn't understand in terms
that I did.  Through the grace of God and some assistance from a few
people in the right place at the right time, coupled with some experiences
at the Colorado Center for the Blind, basically that worked.

With my Psychology degree and a minor in Special Education, I'm now a
student in a Special Educator program whose curricula courses focus on
objective measurement, identifiable results, and reliable data.  My
advisor and favorite professor has told me that she is convinced that I
can be a fine special educator.  From her, this is high praise indeed and
is not lightly offered.  She does think, however, that I have other gifts
that would not be tapped to their potential in an elementary classroom,
and I think she's right.

More recently, I've learned of several cases where special education has
gone wrong.  Horribly wrong.  The causes are many: Apathy, irritation,
hostility, laziness, low expectations, and plain outright discrimination
on the basis of a disability, and that's just a start.  And lest you think
I'm talking about the schools here, I'm talking about teachers, parents,
and administrators and at every level from early intervention through
graduate school programs.  Most could be resolved by a good mediator or
arbitrator.  Some cannot be, and you need a good litigator.

I think a career connected to law is probably where this is going for me.
Being a reasonably religious person, this seems right because I believe
that God wastes nothing, and logically I can see that if I target
education or disability law, all of my experience is directly relevant to
my education, my experience, and my career.

Not only that, I remember as a teen looking over the course offerings at
places like MIT and being extremely excited just reading the titles.  I
find similar excitement today looking over the courses relevant to the
kinds of law related to disability, education, and possibly employment.
It seems like this is right for me because it gives me the chance to
educate the people who need it most (often teachers and parents) and to
seek real justice for people who often times have a hard time finding an
honest person who just wants to see the right thing happen.

If you're not asleep yet and can think of particular individuals I might
want to talk to, I'd love some suggestions.  I'd feel a little out of
place on the blind law list at the moment given that all I know are the
basics of the ADA, section 504, and IDEA that they teach teachers.

I'm also curious what you, my fellow nabsters, think about this potential
change in my education direction.  My student loan debt already scares the
bat snot out of me, and it'll double or triple if I go to law school!

I'd appreciate any input or advice.  I'd also like to know how a blind
person manages to get materials in a timely manner, which law schools have
been good to blind students, and which ones to avoid.  I'm in Oregon, and
we have three law schools, but little ties me to Oregon except a beautiful
woman I would expect to not see much for three years no matter where I go
to school.  She's got her own graduate program to attend to for most of
that time, and we have modern communication and travel at our disposal.

Thanks for reading, and in advance for sharing your thoughts.  *smile*

Joseph


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From hjones711 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 01:47:35 2008
From: hjones711 at gmail.com (hannah jones)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:47:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
Message-ID: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>

so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on 
tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type 
but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any tips?


From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 02:33:56 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:33:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
In-Reply-To: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>
References: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>

Best suggestion: Human reader.

Joseph

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
> so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on  
> tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type  
> but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any tips?


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 03:44:35 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:44:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
In-Reply-To: <20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>
References: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>
	<20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810262044g6fef7afdp958b0eefaac5a30d@mail.gmail.com>

I second that one.
Beth

On 10/26/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
> Best suggestion: Human reader.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
>> so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on
>> tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type
>> but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any tips?
>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 04:01:49 2008
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:01:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project
Message-ID: <EB2FB2B2484C488186691313157FD782@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,

I've been trying to download books from the NLS site.  Yet, when I go to
unzip them, I get an error saying there's something wrong with the archive.
I would think it is something wrong with my computer, but I barely click
Save to download the title before it says the download is complete, making
me wonder if it might be something on the NLS server.  Has anyone
experienced this before?  Not to bore you with my reading list, but the two
books I tried downloading are Angels and Demons and Point of Deception, both
by Dan Brown.  This is the first time I get such an error.  Anyway, thanks
for any help.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From hjones711 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 04:05:52 2008
From: hjones711 at gmail.com (hannah jones)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:05:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
In-Reply-To: <20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>
References: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>
	<20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <49053E20.6060909@gmail.com>

i agree, but i cant really bring a reader to class with me.


T. Joseph Carter wrote:
> Best suggestion: Human reader.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
>   
>> so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on  
>> tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type  
>> but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any tips?
>>     
>
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From hjones711 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 04:52:46 2008
From: hjones711 at gmail.com (hannah jones)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:52:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0810262044g6fef7afdp958b0eefaac5a30d@mail.gmail.com>
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if i could bring a reader i would have done that with the whole book.


Beth wrote:
> I second that one.
> Beth
>
> On 10/26/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Best suggestion: Human reader.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
>>     
>>> so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on
>>> tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type
>>> but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any tips?
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 05:51:58 2008
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:51:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project
References: <EB2FB2B2484C488186691313157FD782@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <00bf01c937f8$2191f340$88d8fe45@Dezman>

Joe,
There indeed is something wrong with the site.

Dezman
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From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project


> Hello all,
>
> I've been trying to download books from the NLS site.  Yet, when I go to
> unzip them, I get an error saying there's something wrong with the 
> archive.
> I would think it is something wrong with my computer, but I barely click
> Save to download the title before it says the download is complete, making
> me wonder if it might be something on the NLS server.  Has anyone
> experienced this before?  Not to bore you with my reading list, but the 
> two
> books I tried downloading are Angels and Demons and Point of Deception, 
> both
> by Dan Brown.  This is the first time I get such an error.  Anyway, thanks
> for any help.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> M.
> Barrie
>
>
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 06:10:22 2008
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:10:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
In-Reply-To: <4905491E.9050100@gmail.com>
References: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>
	<20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>
	<4383d01d0810262044g6fef7afdp958b0eefaac5a30d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4905491E.9050100@gmail.com>
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Hanna,

Is there anyone who could scan the matterial with Kurzweil for you?
Then, you could listen to what you're supposed to be typing with a
book port or similar device.  I don't know a lot about Kurzweil, but
it might even be that you could scroll between Kurzweil and the
document you're typing in, if Kurzweil is on the school's computer,
which may very well be unlikely.  That's why, for that particular
suggestion to work, you'd need an external device.

Another suggestion is this: have your teacher use a mini taperecorder,
and record the cursive words for you.  If your teacher was unwilling
to do it, maybe you could get a fellow classmate to record what you
needed.  Then, if you had a pair of headphones you could plug in, you
could simply listen and type.  I'm rather drowsy as I type, so I hope
the jist of this is getting across, and that at least part of it
helps.
Courtney

On 10/26/08, hannah jones <hjones711 at gmail.com> wrote:
> if i could bring a reader i would have done that with the whole book.
>
>
> Beth wrote:
>> I second that one.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 10/26/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Best suggestion: Human reader.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
>>>
>>>> so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on
>>>> tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type
>>>> but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any
>>>> tips?
>>>>
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From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 07:40:40 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:40:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] im really embarrassed to admit this
In-Reply-To: <4905491E.9050100@gmail.com>
References: <49051DB7.4080201@gmail.com>
	<20081027023356.GC91711@bluecherry.net>
	<4383d01d0810262044g6fef7afdp958b0eefaac5a30d@mail.gmail.com>
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Hannah,

I'll put it in perspective for you:

Cursive writing can't be read by a computer.  It is a reasonable
accommodation to have it in an accessible format.  They tend to cop out
and have computers read it because they can't or won't control the quality
of human readers, and human readers cost them more.

You don't have a choice with cursive writing, no computer can read it.  It
has to be a human being.

Joseph

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:52:46PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
> if i could bring a reader i would have done that with the whole book.
>
>
> Beth wrote:
>> I second that one.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 10/26/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>   
>>> Best suggestion: Human reader.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 08:47:35PM -0500, hannah jones wrote:
>>>     
>>>> so i am really embarrassed to admit it but my keyboarding book is not on
>>>> tape and we have a section that is in cursive that i am expected to type
>>>> but i just do not understand it. It is like a foreign language. any tips?
>>>>       
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 12:19:51 2008
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:19:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c937f8$2191f340$88d8fe45@Dezman>
Message-ID: <6E2C4ED831E340C580E466F4DD0EB500@MonkeyPaw>

I'm glad to hear this.  I thought it might be my book choices and was going
to see if someone else had difficulty downloading these particular titles.
Thanks all for the update.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dezman Jackson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:52 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Project

Joe,
There indeed is something wrong with the site.

Dezman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project


> Hello all,
>
> I've been trying to download books from the NLS site.  Yet, when I go to
> unzip them, I get an error saying there's something wrong with the 
> archive.
> I would think it is something wrong with my computer, but I barely click
> Save to download the title before it says the download is complete, making
> me wonder if it might be something on the NLS server.  Has anyone
> experienced this before?  Not to bore you with my reading list, but the 
> two
> books I tried downloading are Angels and Demons and Point of Deception, 
> both
> by Dan Brown.  This is the first time I get such an error.  Anyway, thanks
> for any help.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> M.
> Barrie
>
>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Oct 27 16:10:09 2008
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:10:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Interest in law
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I am always happy to discuss law school.  Please feel free to contact me at 
the below.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
President
National Association of Blind Lawyers
LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interest in law


> This sounds great! Best of luck. I believe there is a blind lawyer in
> Toronto I can find the name of. Will this help, even if he's not in the
> States?
> Sarah
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of T. Joseph Carter
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interest in law
>
> Hi all,
>
> Those of you who have known me for a long time will know that I've been a
> lot of places, academically as well as geographically speaking.  The whole
> time, I believe I have been building toward something--I haven't known
> what exactly.  I think I will offer myself the short answer to my question
> now, I should subscribe to the blind law list.  In the meantime, I'd like
> some opinions--and please don't be afraid to share yours.  You don't have
> to have known me for long to know that when I make up my mind about
> something, I'm certainly willing to share mine!  *grin*
>
> In order to get the kind of feedback I want, I probably need to provide
> the background that got me where I am now.  Sorry, it's a little long.
>
> For a time, I was a software developer.  Not a great one, perhaps, but I
> could write an algorithm.  I did, however, learn to work with technology
> extremely well, and I developed thinking, reasoning, and problem-solving
> skills.  I learned to pick apart problems, but that's not really what a
> "code monkey" does these days.  I didn't really enjoy the work that paid
> my rent as well as the very similar work that didn't.  Plus, I lacked the
> functional blindness skills and the social skills to succeed.
>
> When these facts came to light, I took a career direction evaluation, and
> chose one of the options far down on the list: Teacher.  I knew I wouldn't
> survive the social dynamics in education, so I began a study of Psychology
> since it is the science of explaining things I didn't understand in terms
> that I did.  Through the grace of God and some assistance from a few
> people in the right place at the right time, coupled with some experiences
> at the Colorado Center for the Blind, basically that worked.
>
> With my Psychology degree and a minor in Special Education, I'm now a
> student in a Special Educator program whose curricula courses focus on
> objective measurement, identifiable results, and reliable data.  My
> advisor and favorite professor has told me that she is convinced that I
> can be a fine special educator.  From her, this is high praise indeed and
> is not lightly offered.  She does think, however, that I have other gifts
> that would not be tapped to their potential in an elementary classroom,
> and I think she's right.
>
> More recently, I've learned of several cases where special education has
> gone wrong.  Horribly wrong.  The causes are many: Apathy, irritation,
> hostility, laziness, low expectations, and plain outright discrimination
> on the basis of a disability, and that's just a start.  And lest you think
> I'm talking about the schools here, I'm talking about teachers, parents,
> and administrators and at every level from early intervention through
> graduate school programs.  Most could be resolved by a good mediator or
> arbitrator.  Some cannot be, and you need a good litigator.
>
> I think a career connected to law is probably where this is going for me.
> Being a reasonably religious person, this seems right because I believe
> that God wastes nothing, and logically I can see that if I target
> education or disability law, all of my experience is directly relevant to
> my education, my experience, and my career.
>
> Not only that, I remember as a teen looking over the course offerings at
> places like MIT and being extremely excited just reading the titles.  I
> find similar excitement today looking over the courses relevant to the
> kinds of law related to disability, education, and possibly employment.
> It seems like this is right for me because it gives me the chance to
> educate the people who need it most (often teachers and parents) and to
> seek real justice for people who often times have a hard time finding an
> honest person who just wants to see the right thing happen.
>
> If you're not asleep yet and can think of particular individuals I might
> want to talk to, I'd love some suggestions.  I'd feel a little out of
> place on the blind law list at the moment given that all I know are the
> basics of the ADA, section 504, and IDEA that they teach teachers.
>
> I'm also curious what you, my fellow nabsters, think about this potential
> change in my education direction.  My student loan debt already scares the
> bat snot out of me, and it'll double or triple if I go to law school!
>
> I'd appreciate any input or advice.  I'd also like to know how a blind
> person manages to get materials in a timely manner, which law schools have
> been good to blind students, and which ones to avoid.  I'm in Oregon, and
> we have three law schools, but little ties me to Oregon except a beautiful
> woman I would expect to not see much for three years no matter where I go
> to school.  She's got her own graduate program to attend to for most of
> that time, and we have modern communication and travel at our disposal.
>
> Thanks for reading, and in advance for sharing your thoughts.  *smile*
>
> Joseph
>
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Mon Oct 27 17:17:02 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:17:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I want
	to sell
Message-ID: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad 
for a piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Hope and Beignet


From braillewoman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 27 18:47:57 2008
From: braillewoman at earthlink.net (Marianne Haas)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:47:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
	wantto sell
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Good Morning,  You could post it on the American Council for the Blind
magazine or on the CA Connection.

Marianne

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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:17 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I wantto
sell

Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad 
for a piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Hope and Beignet

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From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Mon Oct 27 18:50:03 2008
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:50:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
	wantto sell
References: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <000c01c93864$d30a9160$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>

Try the Ziegler magazine,

http://www.matildaziegler.org/


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:17 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I wantto 
sell


> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad for a 
> piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Sincerely,
> Hope and Beignet
>
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From hjones711 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 18:48:38 2008
From: hjones711 at gmail.com (hannah jones)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:48:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
 want	to sell
In-Reply-To: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
References: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <49060D06.6090807@gmail.com>

sorry, but what is a braille blazer?



Hope Paulos wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad for a 
> piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Sincerely,
> Hope and Beignet
>
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From tjosephcarter at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 19:50:25 2008
From: tjosephcarter at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment
	I	wantto sell
In-Reply-To: <002a01c93864$87ed9830$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>
References: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
	<002a01c93864$87ed9830$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <20081027195025.GA16966@bluecherry.net>

Marianne, I think you missed which NABS list you're reading.  *grin*

Hope, people have found that sometimes a posting one of these lists can
lead to a buyer, though I hesitate to encourage that because I don't
personally want to be drowning in for sale adds for embossers, CCTVs, and
more.

The blazer is a good little embosser, so you won't have too much trouble
finding someone interested I should imagine.

Joseph

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:47:57AM -0700, Marianne Haas wrote:
> Good Morning,  You could post it on the American Council for the Blind
> magazine or on the CA Connection.
> 
> Marianne
> 
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> sell
> 
> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad 
> for a piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Sincerely,
> Hope and Beignet
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 27 20:00:50 2008
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:00:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
	want	to sell
References: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
	<49060D06.6090807@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47F685AC16E4400A8E4B8196BF824FBA@Ashley>

Hannah,

Braille Blazers are a type of braille embosser.  It embosses braille from a 
notetaker or computer.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hannah jones" <hjones711 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I 
want to sell


> sorry, but what is a braille blazer?
>
>
>
> Hope Paulos wrote:
>> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad for a 
>> piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
>> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Sincerely,
>> Hope and Beignet
>>
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From braillewoman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 27 20:20:37 2008
From: braillewoman at earthlink.net (Marianne Haas)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:20:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment
	Iwant	to sell
In-Reply-To: <47F685AC16E4400A8E4B8196BF824FBA@Ashley>
Message-ID: <007901c93871$7a030d10$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>

Hi Asley,
How much are you selling this equipment for?

Marianne

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 1:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment
Iwant to sell

Hannah,

Braille Blazers are a type of braille embosser.  It embosses braille from a 
notetaker or computer.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hannah jones" <hjones711 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I 
want to sell


> sorry, but what is a braille blazer?
>
>
>
> Hope Paulos wrote:
>> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad for a 
>> piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
>> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Sincerely,
>> Hope and Beignet
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Mon Oct 27 20:30:34 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment
	Iwant	to sell
Message-ID: <20081027202621.ZKTG5634.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

It's a braille embosser.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: hannah jones <hjones711 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:48:38 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of 
equipment Iwant	to sell

>sorry, but what is a braille blazer?



>Hope Paulos wrote:
>> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad 
for a
>> piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
>> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>> Sincerely,
>> Hope and Beignet

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From braillewoman at earthlink.net  Mon Oct 27 20:37:16 2008
From: braillewoman at earthlink.net (Marianne Haas)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:37:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of
	equipmentI	wantto sell
In-Reply-To: <20081027195025.GA16966@bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <000001c93873$cd955440$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>

I apologize.  I was just thinking of some places.  You could try the Braille
Institute of America.  Also, SF Lighthouse.  They both have a magazine.

Marianne

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipmentI
wantto sell

Marianne, I think you missed which NABS list you're reading.  *grin*

Hope, people have found that sometimes a posting one of these lists can
lead to a buyer, though I hesitate to encourage that because I don't
personally want to be drowning in for sale adds for embossers, CCTVs, and
more.

The blazer is a good little embosser, so you won't have too much trouble
finding someone interested I should imagine.

Joseph

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:47:57AM -0700, Marianne Haas wrote:
> Good Morning,  You could post it on the American Council for the Blind
> magazine or on the CA Connection.
> 
> Marianne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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Behalf
> Of Hope Paulos
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:17 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
wantto
> sell
> 
> Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad 
> for a piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
> Sincerely,
> Hope and Beignet
> 
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 20:52:34 2008
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:52:34 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
	want to sell
In-Reply-To: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
References: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <C6B71B9B-24A2-4B0C-9AE7-40CDCF352AC5@gmail.com>

I recommend Blind Bargains; JJ Meddaugh (jj at bestmidi.com) would be a  
good contact.

-----
Corbb O'Connor
studying at the National University of Ireland, Galway
Blog: http://corbbingalway.blogspot.com
Flirt Over Coffee Podcast: http://foc.mypodcast.com

On 27 Oct 2008, at 17:17, Hope Paulos wrote:

Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad for a  
piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Hope and Beignet

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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 27 20:54:19 2008
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:54:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project
References: <EB2FB2B2484C488186691313157FD782@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <EF4E43A4BD934139992C50F8231DF85A@davee984e49f02>

Good afternoon Joe,
I would try downloading another book to see if this is in fact an issue with 
the NLS copy.
If you've tried downloading the same books multiple times and have had the 
same issue, I would question the NLS copy, it's not necessarily an issue 
with their server though.
So again, try another book and see what happens. Good luck.


Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
Mobile: 832-518-0707

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project


> Hello all,
>
> I've been trying to download books from the NLS site.  Yet, when I go to
> unzip them, I get an error saying there's something wrong with the 
> archive.
> I would think it is something wrong with my computer, but I barely click
> Save to download the title before it says the download is complete, making
> me wonder if it might be something on the NLS server.  Has anyone
> experienced this before?  Not to bore you with my reading list, but the 
> two
> books I tried downloading are Angels and Demons and Point of Deception, 
> both
> by Dan Brown.  This is the first time I get such an error.  Anyway, thanks
> for any help.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> M.
> Barrie
>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Oct 27 21:52:36 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:52:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
References: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw><490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com><20081025214059.GA83319@bluecherry.net>
	<4383d01d0810251642y3a6caf9cs56b7a954b3cb469e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f601c9387e$5393a6f0$0201a8c0@Serene>

Just curious, what social skills courses are you referring to?

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students


> I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
> social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
> beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
> a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
> Beth
>
> On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form 
>> you
>> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
>> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you can't 
>> stand
>> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>>
>> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
>> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
>> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
>> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
>> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
>> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get to
>> those messages as well.
>>
>> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally, when
>> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
>> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
>> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
>> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record 
>> of
>> how ugly.
>>
>> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
>> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case you
>> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
>> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
>> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
>> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives 
>> somewhere,
>> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets people
>> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
>> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back it 
>> up
>> regularly.  *grin*
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate
>>> for
>>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>>> when
>>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't
>>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>>
>>> Liz
>>>
>>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Oct 27 21:59:08 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:59:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
References: <4383d01d0810251642y3a6caf9cs56b7a954b3cb469e@mail.gmail.com><918927.56860.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAPDhVWVd+uhOg136obs+OuIBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <013201c9387f$3d0f3a60$0201a8c0@Serene>

Good point about getting people at college to teach you routes when you 
can't get your cane teacher over there!  I did that a lot with my friend 
Anthony and others.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students


I've written a lot about this topic, but it's important and I keep thinking
of good things based on what I'm hearing from other list members.
Don't limit yourself with your disability. Or in any other way either, but
disability is the focus of the tips. If you want to go away for school,
don't let anyone tell you no and base their reasoning on your blindness.
You'll have a lot of adjustments whether at home or away, and but so does
everyone else so there's lots of support around. Be adventurous. It's a
great skill that will help anyone in the future. Don't limit yourself to a
certain program of study because of your vision either. Aviation may be out
of the question for a cane user, but math/sciences aren't. Though they pose
different and sometimes greater challenges than an arts degree because of a
greater challenge in obtaining textbooks and such, it's not impossible. I
love arts degrees by the way - I'm not trying to incite a rivalry here. I
leave that to the engineers <grin>
Have a great day,
Sarah
P.S.: Orientation and mobility training preferably before classes begin is a
huge help. Again not something I had too much of but it would have been a
great help. But of course they're a lot of people around who can help if you
won't have a lesson for days and need a route learned ...

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students

Hello,

Be prepared to laugh, both when things are going well and when things are
stressful. And always be able to laugh at yourself when you make mistakes,
because it will happen; learn from them... we all, sighted or blind, make
them!

And most important of all, realize that people are people, whether you are
in college, on the job, in high school, or anywhere else in life. This
means that social skills, advocacy skills, a sense of humor, etc. are skills
that are not specific to students who are blind or have other disabilities,
but are useful even if you have no disability... everyone in the world has
had to use each one of these skills and techniques at some point in their
lives, no matter who they are.

Have fun! It's a great experience! Remember: The little things are what
you will remember most, so don't get bogged down with details!

Cheers,

Harry

--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 6:42 PM

I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
Beth

On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form
you
> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you
can't stand
> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>
> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get
to
> those messages as well.
>
> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally,
when
> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record of
> how ugly.
>
> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case
you
> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives somewhere,
> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets
people
> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back
it up
> regularly.  *grin*
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to
advocate
>> for
>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>> when
>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I
wouldn't
>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than
nothing.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>
>>
>>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Oct 27 23:07:13 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:07:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
	want to sell
Message-ID: <102720082307.18650.490649A1000477CE000048DA2206999735010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello hope,

i would also recommend to other places to list your braille embosser to sell. why not try selling it on ebay, or on craig's list too! those are another idea that someone on the list hasn't suggested to you yet!

anyway, i hope that you can find someplace to list your embosser. take care, and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
amy sabo

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> 

> Hi all. I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad 
> for a piece of equipment I want to sell. It's a Braille Blazer. 
> Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. 
> Sincerely, 
> Hope and Beignet 
> 
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Oct 27 23:13:32 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:13:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
Message-ID: <102720082313.26844.49064B1C000440D6000068DC2200735834010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello all,

well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use media player to listen to audio on the internet especially through internet radio. whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do it, and it takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes, and also during the presentation media player will pause during it, and then i have to hit ctrl+p to play it again!

this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10, and when i had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated it when  windows suggested me to do so. and, i only have this problemn on my desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works awesome on it!

so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to music on the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that my tunes or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have to hit play to play it again?

thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your suggestions on this topic. take care, and i will talk to you all soon!



hugs always,
amy sabo

From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Oct 27 23:38:30 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:38:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
References: <102720082313.26844.49064B1C000440D6000068DC2200735834010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005301c9388d$1ef9c780$0201a8c0@Serene>

You think there's a virus on your desk top computer?  A virus makes the 
Internet run really slowly and, I'm guessing, also messes with Windows Media 
Player.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player


> hello all,
>
> well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use media 
> player to listen to audio on the internet especially through internet 
> radio. whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do it, and it 
> takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes, and also 
> during the presentation media player will pause during it, and then i have 
> to hit ctrl+p to play it again!
>
> this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10, and when i 
> had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated it when 
> windows suggested me to do so. and, i only have this problemn on my 
> desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works awesome on it!
>
> so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to music on 
> the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that my tunes 
> or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have to hit 
> play to play it again?
>
> thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your suggestions 
> on this topic. take care, and i will talk to you all soon!
>
>
>
> hugs always,
> amy sabo
> _______________________________________________
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From minesm at me.com  Mon Oct 27 23:44:09 2008
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:44:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWs Compatibility with Science and MAth software
Message-ID: <C4EAE682-0753-494F-A3D9-2EEF34BF597D@me.com>

I am a student work study employee of the University of
Northern Colorado and I am curious to know if JAWs is compatible
(usable) with the following list of software. Please let me know if it  
is
and at what level is it usable with JAWs and tell me if it is not.
Python 2.5, SAS 9.1, Research Insight, Wolfram Mathematica,
Comprehensive Chemistry, Lucid Professional (biology software)
The computers on campus that have Jaws on them use windows XP. The
version of Jaws being used is 9.0. Please reply off-list to my staff e- 
mail unless you think we can all benefit from this.

Maurice Mines
Masters Student Educational Technology
University of Northern Colorado
Staff mail: maurice.mines at unco.edu
NFBCO Volunteer Assistant Newsline Coordinator
Office Phone (970) 373-3076

From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 23:52:37 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:52:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
In-Reply-To: <00f601c9387e$5393a6f0$0201a8c0@Serene>
References: <17857A90048A4B01951C599E2ACE8ED5@MonkeyPaw>
	<490358cb.05a1260a.30f7.43a1@mx.google.com>
	<20081025214059.GA83319@bluecherry.net>
	<4383d01d0810251642y3a6caf9cs56b7a954b3cb469e@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f601c9387e$5393a6f0$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810271652j6e22143q7418e1e328467a0c@mail.gmail.com>

Well, a course on social skills in general at a high school would
help.  I tried to do something like that, and my mother said I
shouldn't because the kind of people in that course were not the kind
she thought were worth mixing with.  Some people in high school have
social issues, so they would be recommended for a social skills
course.  Careers skills courses are good too, and there's an awesome
kit I would recommend for transition students.  It's called the
Transition Tote System if anyone has heard of it.  The kit includes
this awesome manual called "Navigating the Rapids of Life."  The
manual has lots of great stuff in there about job acquisition and
resources to venders that sell job-related stuff.  It also includes
little assignments and exercise examples that show each scenario in a
career situation.  I tried some of the assignments with my TVI, and
they were cool because they showed me what goals I had in life and
they allowed me to know myself even more.  Another tip for high school
students, and this is a mantra we should all say: know thyself.
Beth

On 10/27/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> Just curious, what social skills courses are you referring to?
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for High School Students
>
>
>> I've got a tip for high school students: please make sure that your
>> social skills are up.  I know this because let's face it, I don't
>> beleve that you should go anywhere without social readiness, so taking
>> a social skills course in high school wouldn't hurt.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 10/25/08, T. Joseph Carter <tjosephcarter at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'll add another:  Take notes regarding your meetings in whatever form
>>> you
>>> need to.  After a meeting, send back an email to the person you met with
>>> and thank them for meeting with you.  Even if it's someone you can't
>>> stand
>>> and the meeting was hostile, do this.
>>>
>>> Also include a summary of what was talked about in the meeting with your
>>> thank-you.  Send yourself a carbon copy of these things and file them
>>> away.  If you interpret something wrong in the meeting, this gives the
>>> person you met with a chance to clarify.  If the meeting was less
>>> friendly, it gives the other person a chance to change what they are
>>> saying now that it's written down somewhere.  File responses you get to
>>> those messages as well.
>>>
>>> If it sounds like I'm saying to be paranoid, I'm not.  Generally, when
>>> things go well--and we hope that they do--this is polite and it gives
>>> people reminders of things they might otherwise forget.  It's a good
>>> thing, and it makes everything much more efficient.  It only starts to
>>> bother people if things get ugly and suddenly you have a written record
>>> of
>>> how ugly.
>>>
>>> Develop this professional habit early and make it a standard practice for
>>> the rest of your life.  It really is handy, and I don't mean in case you
>>> need to call someone a liar, either.  It puts the important details in
>>> electronic form, and makes it easily accessible to search algorithms.
>>> You'll be the one person in the room who can figure out what the sales
>>> figures were three years ago without going to find the archives
>>> somewhere,
>>> and in most companies, that's the kind of organization that gets people
>>> promoted.  This leads to higher salary and more than compensates for the
>>> extra hard drives you'll have to buy to save all that email and back it
>>> up
>>> regularly.  *grin*
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 01:39:37PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
>>>> The one thing I can think of off the top of my head is learn to advocate
>>>> for
>>>> yourself and by yourself. If students start to do this in high school,
>>>> when
>>>> they get to college it won't be as big of a shock, at least I wouldn't
>>>> think. Even if it's starting out small, anything is better than nothing.
>>>>
>>>> Take care,
>>>>
>>>> Liz
>>>>
>>>> email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal:
>>>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Tue Oct 28 00:46:34 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:46:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
Message-ID: <20081028004220.XGO17582.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

I would run a disk clean up, a defragmentation, and a virus scan.  
Just to be on the safe side.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:38:30 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows media player

>You think there's a virus on your desk top computer?  A virus 
makes the
>Internet run really slowly and, I'm guessing, also messes with 
Windows Media
>Player.

>Serena


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net
>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player


>> hello all,

>> well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use 
media
>> player to listen to audio on the internet especially through 
internet
>> radio.  whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do 
it, and it
>> takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes, 
and also
>> during the presentation media player will pause during it, and 
then i have
>> to hit ctrl+p to play it again!

>> this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10, 
and when i
>> had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated 
it when
>> windows suggested me to do so.  and, i only have this problemn 
on my
>> desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works 
awesome on it!

>> so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to 
music on
>> the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that 
my tunes
>> or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have 
to hit
>> play to play it again?

>> thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your 
suggestions
>> on this topic.  take care, and i will talk to you all soon!



>> hugs always,
>> amy sabo
>> _______________________________________________
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 02:19:07 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:19:07 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
Message-ID: <102820080219.27977.4906769B0002F78800006D492200761438010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello serena,

well, i don't know if my computer has a virus on it, and i hope that it doesn't. but, i will do a virus scan to see about it. thanks for the advice, and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net> 

> You think there's a virus on your desk top computer? A virus makes the 
> Internet run really slowly and, I'm guessing, also messes with Windows Media 
> Player. 
> 
> Serena 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Amy Sabo" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 PM 
> Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player 
> 
> 
> > hello all, 
> > 
> > well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use media 
> > player to listen to audio on the internet especially through internet 
> > radio. whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do it, and it 
> > takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes, and also 
> > during the presentation media player will pause during it, and then i have 
> > to hit ctrl+p to play it again! 
> > 
> > this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10, and when i 
> > had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated it when 
> > windows suggested me to do so. and, i only have this problemn on my 
> > desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works awesome on it! 
> > 
> > so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to music on 
> > the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that my tunes 
> > or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have to hit 
> > play to play it again? 
> > 
> > thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your suggestions 
> > on this topic. take care, and i will talk to you all soon! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > hugs always, 
> > amy sabo 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > nabs-l mailing list 
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 02:23:11 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:23:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
Message-ID: <102820080223.2388.4906778F0007EA5E000009542200761438010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello hope,

i have recently done a disk cleanup, but i habven't done a drafragment of my system nor a virus scan either, so i will do that and try it to see on that. thanks for the advice, and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> 

> I would run a disk clean up, a defragmentation, and a virus scan. 
> Just to be on the safe side. 
> 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Serena" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> > >Date sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:38:30 -0400 
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows media player 
> 
> >You think there's a virus on your desk top computer? A virus 
> makes the 
> >Internet run really slowly and, I'm guessing, also messes with 
> Windows Media 
> >Player. 
> 
> >Serena 
> 
> 
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Amy Sabo" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 PM 
> >Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player 
> 
> 
> >> hello all, 
> 
> >> well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use 
> media 
> >> player to listen to audio on the internet especially through 
> internet 
> >> radio. whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do 
> it, and it 
> >> takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes, 
> and also 
> >> during the presentation media player will pause during it, and 
> then i have 
> >> to hit ctrl+p to play it again! 
> 
> >> this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10, 
> and when i 
> >> had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated 
> it when 
> >> windows suggested me to do so. and, i only have this problemn 
> on my 
> >> desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works 
> awesome on it! 
> 
> >> so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to 
> music on 
> >> the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that 
> my tunes 
> >> or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have 
> to hit 
> >> play to play it again? 
> 
> >> thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your 
> suggestions 
> >> on this topic. take care, and i will talk to you all soon! 
> 
> 
> 
> >> hugs always, 
> >> amy sabo 
> >> _______________________________________________ 
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 28 02:45:18 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:45:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerpointHello everyone,
Message-ID: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

 
Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character, wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask, I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is read the slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll complain about FS another day.
 
I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want to give it a whirl for themselves.
Thanks for the help, guys.
 
Harry
 

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 28 02:51:11 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:51:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I
 want to sell
In-Reply-To: <002a01c93864$87ed9830$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>
References: <20081027171249.IGRW8135.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
	<002a01c93864$87ed9830$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <auto-000072542787@mailfront1.g2host.com>

She doesn't have to go to 6the dark side (smile,) the occasional ad 
is ok here or on some of our other lists.

Dave

At 01:47 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>Good Morning,  You could post it on the American Council for the Blind
>magazine or on the CA Connection.
>
>Marianne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Hope Paulos
>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:17 AM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment I wantto
>sell
>
>Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad
>for a piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
>Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>Sincerely,
>Hope and Beignet
>
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Tue Oct 28 02:52:36 2008
From: graduate56 at juno.com (melissa R. Green)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:52:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project
In-Reply-To: <EB2FB2B2484C488186691313157FD782@MonkeyPaw>
References: <EB2FB2B2484C488186691313157FD782@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <00b901c938a8$3d1b99d0$b752cd70$@com>

The nls download site was down all weekend.
Its supposedly working now.
HTh.


Sincerely,
Melissa R. Green
If you get a second chance, grab it with both hands.  


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Joe Orozco
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:02 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: nfbcs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Project

Hello all,

I've been trying to download books from the NLS site.  Yet, when I go to
unzip them, I get an error saying there's something wrong with the archive.
I would think it is something wrong with my computer, but I barely click
Save to download the title before it says the download is complete, making
me wonder if it might be something on the NLS server.  Has anyone
experienced this before?  Not to bore you with my reading list, but the two
books I tried downloading are Angels and Demons and Point of Deception, both
by Dan Brown.  This is the first time I get such an error.  Anyway, thanks
for any help.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 28 03:40:18 2008
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:40:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Opportunities for High school and Junior High students
Message-ID: <5F5E5BEBCB6D47E1B5D44FE41D6D5804@davee984e49f02>




Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
Mobile: 832-518-0707

http://www.knfbreader.com

From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 28 03:41:24 2008
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:41:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nfb-science] Fw: NASA Opportunities for Middle School
	and HighSchool Students
Message-ID: <C8AB247BEF5947E2A827CB7876564AAD@davee984e49f02>




Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
Mobile: 832-518-0707

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
To: <nfb-science at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:44 PM
Subject: [Nfb-science] Fw: NASA Opportunities for Middle School and 
HighSchool Students


> Hello:
>
>     I thought I would post this in case anyone can take advantage of this 
> opportunity. Have a blast!
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: NASA Education
> To: Robert Jaquiss
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:07 PM
> Subject: NASA Opportunities for Middle School and High School Students
>
>
>
>
> 2009 Team America Rocketry Challenge Accepting Applications
>
>
>
> Registration is open for the Team America Rocketry Challenge 2009, a 
> national model rocket competition for U.S. students in grades 7 through 
> 12. Thousands of students compete each year in the Team America Rocketry 
> Challenge, the world's largest model rocket contest. Cash prizes are 
> awarded to the top finishers.
>
>
>
> Teams of three to ten students design, build and fly a model rocket to 
> carry one raw egg for a precise flight duration of 45 seconds and to an 
> exact altitude of 750 feet. The team whose rocket comes the closest to 
> both, and brings the egg back unbroken, wins.
>
>
>
> To be eligible for the national fly-off, teams must fly a qualifying 
> flight observed by an adult member of the National Association of 
> Rocketry. The top-scoring 100 teams in the country will be invited to 
> participate in the final fly-off to be held in May 2009.
>
>
>
> Participation is limited to the first 750 teams who register by Dec. 1, 
> 2008. For more information, visit http://www.rocketcontest.org/ .
>
>
>
> Questions about this contest should be sent to 
> rocketcontest at aia-aerospace.org.
>
>
>
>
>
> NASA Opportunity for Students in Grades 9-12: INSPIRE
>
>
>
> The Interdisciplinary National Science Project Incorporating Research and 
> Education Experience, or INSPIRE, is a multi-tiered project for students 
> and their parents or legal guardians.
>
>
>
> Applications from students in grades 9-12 are now being accepted for 
> INSPIRE's online community through Dec. 31, 2008. NASA's mission provides 
> the content for the online community. Resources, activities and 
> educational modules add relevancy to courses being taught in high school. 
> Activities include participation in video teleconferences with NASA 
> scientists, design competitions and learning modules. The online community 
> allows students to interact with other students with similar interests, to 
> ask questions and to share knowledge, thus building a "Community of 
> Practice." The online community will also offer support for parents to 
> help them better champion their students' goals. Once selected for the 
> online community in January 2009, students will then be invited to compete 
> for the unique grade-appropriate summer experiences ranging from a one-day 
> VIP tour and workshops, a two-week on-campus collegiate experience, to 
> paid summer internships. The dates of the summer experiences and the 
> location of the two-week on-campus collegiate experience will be announced 
> in January, and students will be notified of selections in February.
>
>
>
> INSPIRE provides grade-appropriate NASA-related resources and experiences 
> to encourage and reinforce students' aspirations to pursue science, 
> technology, engineering and mathematics, or STEM, education and careers. 
> The project also offers resources and information for parents to help them 
> better champion their students' goals. INSPIRE provides participants a 
> rich online community, as well as opportunities to compete to participate 
> in NASA/STEM Experiences.
>
>
>
> For more information about this opportunity, visit 
> http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/postsecondary/programs/INSPIRE_Project.html.
>
>
>
> If you have questions about this opportunity, please e-mail your inquiries 
> to INSPIRE Project Manager Steve Chance at steven.h.chance at nasa.gov .
>
>
>
>
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Tue Oct 28 05:46:04 2008
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:46:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Opportunities for High school and Junior High
	students
Message-ID: <20081028044557.SVIY8781.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Dave,
Did you mean to write something? Because your email was 
practically blank; it only had your contact info on it.  The 
subject sounds of interesting...
Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" 
<il-talk at nfbnet.org>,"Illinois Association of Blind Students 
List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org
>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:40:18 -0500
>Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Opportunities for High school and Junior 
High students




>Best Regards:
>David Wright

>Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
>Mobile: 832-518-0707

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From blindhistory at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 04:56:44 2008
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:56:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerpointHello everyone,
In-Reply-To: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00810272156y21730904jf6ef073d989eaa2d@mail.gmail.com>

will you send it to me? My email is blindhistory at gmail.com. I'll see if I
can look at it.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how useable
> Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have powerpoints that
> my French teacher has been sending me, and I need to be able to review the
> lsides in detail -- character-by-character, wor-by-word, etc... because
> they're mostly in French... and also I have a Braille display so having them
> so I could review them with the Braille display would be the ideal thing.
> Not too much to ask, I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that
> does is read the slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to...
> an if you can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
> mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll complain
> about FS another day.
>
> I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want to give
> it a whirl for themselves.
> Thanks for the help, guys.
>
> Harry
>
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-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 06:26:15 2008
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:26:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
References: <102820080223.2388.4906778F0007EA5E000009542200761438010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV3804EC695B06CBEF903434B5270@phx.gbl>

do you have all latest windows updates installed?  service Pack 3 of windows 
XP.  make sure your virus scanner software is up to date and the virus 
scanning is updating and scanning every day.  doing disk clean up is good 
and  defrag every month uninstalling programs that you are not using that 
not much on the computer.  have spy ware program protect installed and 
running.
from
Jacob Struiksma

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows media player


hello hope,

i have recently done a disk cleanup, but i habven't done a drafragment of my 
system nor a virus scan either, so i will do that and try it to see on that. 
thanks for the advice, and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>

> I would run a disk clean up, a defragmentation, and a virus scan.
> Just to be on the safe side.
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Serena" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> >list"
> > >Date sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:38:30 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows media player
>
> >You think there's a virus on your desk top computer? A virus
> makes the
> >Internet run really slowly and, I'm guessing, also messes with
> Windows Media
> >Player.
>
> >Serena
>
>
> >----- Original Message ----- 
> >From: "Amy Sabo" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 PM
> >Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
>
>
> >> hello all,
>
> >> well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use
> media
> >> player to listen to audio on the internet especially through
> internet
> >> radio. whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do
> it, and it
> >> takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes,
> and also
> >> during the presentation media player will pause during it, and
> then i have
> >> to hit ctrl+p to play it again!
>
> >> this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10,
> and when i
> >> had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated
> it when
> >> windows suggested me to do so. and, i only have this problemn
> on my
> >> desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works
> awesome on it!
>
> >> so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to
> music on
> >> the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that
> my tunes
> >> or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have
> to hit
> >> play to play it again?
>
> >> thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your
> suggestions
> >> on this topic. take care, and i will talk to you all soon!
>
>
>
> >> hugs always,
> >> amy sabo
> >> _______________________________________________
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Tue Oct 28 11:24:12 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:24:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of equipment
	Iwant to sell
Message-ID: <20081028111956.JTFN17582.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Thank you, Dave.  You're the moderator, correct? Smile.
Anyway, I'll put it this way.  I'm selling a braille blazer in 
good condition for $1,000or lower.  If interested, please email 
me off list so we don't constantly have ads on it.  Take care!
Hope and Beignet^@

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:51:11 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of 
equipment Iwant to sell

>She doesn't have to go to 6the dark side (smile,) the occasional 
ad
>is ok here or on some of our other lists.

>Dave

>At 01:47 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>Good Morning,  You could post it on the American Council for the 
Blind
>>magazine or on the CA Connection.

>>Marianne

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>Of Hope Paulos
>>Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:17 AM
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: [nabs-l] Question about where to post a piece of 
equipment I wantto
>>sell

>>Hi all.  I'm wondering if any of you know where I can post an ad
>>for a piece of equipment I want to sell.  It's a Braille Blazer.
>>Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>>Sincerely,
>>Hope and Beignet

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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 11:51:53 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:51:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerpointHello everyone,
References: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <010f01c938f3$93018ad0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

have you tried sending it to wird or terning it in to a text file? I had to 
do that in Anatomy when the teacher gave everyone the power point slides. If 
you don't know how to do this let me know.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerpointHello everyone,



Call for help here! Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how useable 
Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it! I have powerpoints that my 
French teacher has been sending me, and I need to be able to review the 
lsides in detail -- character-by-character, wor-by-word, etc... because 
they're mostly in French... and also I have a Braille display so having them 
so I could review them with the Braille display would be the ideal thing. 
Not too much to ask, I odn't think. I have tried insert A, but all that does 
is read the slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if 
you can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the mark, 
since sighted people have that option. I rest my case. I'll complain about 
FS another day.

I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want to give 
it a whirl for themselves.
Thanks for the help, guys.

Harry

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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Tue Oct 28 20:40:42 2008
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:40:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Dorina Daisy Reader (DDReader) 1.0,
 a new DAISY 3.0  software player
Message-ID: <auto-000072686796@mailfront1.g2host.com>

 >>> Pedro Milliet <pedro at milliet.org> 10/27/2008 1:08 PM >>>
Hi all,

we are very happy to announce the 1.0 version of 
DDReader (for Windows). It is a software 
developed by Dorina Nowill Foundation for the 
Blind from Brazil. It is available in three 
languages: Portuguese, Spanish and English and is free to use and share.
It is the first free Portuguese DAISY 3.0 reader!
DDR is a Firefox add-on, so you must have Firefox to install it.
You can download DDReader from:
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=en>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=en 
(english page), 
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=es>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=es 
(en español)
<http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=pt-br>http://www.caracol.com.br/agora/doc.cfm?id_doc=1982&lang=pt-br 
(em português).

It is also available from the Firefox add-on 
site, but it will remain in sandbox till it has 
been reviewed by the Firefox editors.
You will find links to DDReader tutorials in each 
language on the download page. It is also 
included in the add-on (press T for tutorial on any DDR mode).

We have included many functions in this version, 
and we expect to have more coming in the near 
future. We also plan to have Linux and Mac versions soon.

Please, feel free to contact us at 
<mailto:daisy at caracol.com.br>daisy at caracol.com.br 
to any issue related to DDReader. All comments are welcome.

Best Regards,

Pedro Milliet & Eduardo Perez.
DDReader development team.
Fundação Dorina Nowill para os Cegos.



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Oct 28 21:18:07 2008
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:18:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Comments Needed for Blindness Review in O: the Oprah
	Magazine
Message-ID: <auto-000071816527@mailfront2.g2host.com>


         Dear Fellow Federationists:



It has come to the attention of the Public 
Relations office at the National Federation of 
the Blind–partly through e-mails from some of 
these lists–that a positive review of the movie 
Blindness appears in the October issue of O: the 
Oprah Magazine.  The text of the review is pasted 
below for your convenience.  Several of you have 
already written to the magazine to express your 
condemnation of its coverage of this outrageous 
and offensive film.  If you have not already done 
so, please consider submitting a comment on the 
magazine’s feedback form to explain why this film 
is detrimental to blind people.  This link: 
<http://www.oprah.com/contactus>http://www.oprah.com/contactus 
will take you to the contact page, and from there 
you will find a link to a comment form for the 
magazine. The National Federation of the Blind 
has submitted a comment and it is also pasted 
below as a sample, but please feel free to use 
your own words and your own personal experiences 
to illustrate why this movie is inaccurate in the 
degrading way in which it portrays blindness and 
blind people.  If you have any trouble using the 
feedback form on the Oprah Web site, please let 
us know by contacting Anne Taylor, Director of 
Access Technology, at 
<mailto:ataylor at nfb.org>ataylor at nfb.org.  Thank 
you for your assistance in this matter.



Sincerely:



Chris Danielsen





Review





O, the Oprah Magazine

October 2008

Live Your Best Life (LYBL) section

Page 68



Housewife Saves the World!



At last, a movie that portrays women’s work as a heroic calling



It is a truth universally acknowledged that good 
actresses in Hollywood are in want of good parts, 
and even the juicy roles are too often defined by 
the character’s connection to a man. She’s the 
wife, the secretary, the mistress. She’s strictly 
support staff. So it is with Blindness, adapted 
from José Saramago’s novel about a mysterious 
illness that makes a nation go blind. The female 
characters are ID’d as if they were possessions: 
the Doctor’s Wife, the First Blind Man’s Wife, 
etc. (There’s also the Woman with Dark Glasses, 
but that’s a euphemism–she’s actually the Woman Who Sleeps with Men for Money.)



What’s startling about Blindness is that for 
once, the housewife gets to be the visionary. 
Literally: The Doctor’s Wife (Julianne Moore) is 
the only one who’s immune to the blinding virus, 
though she loyally follows her husband (Mark 
Ruffalo) into the quarantine wards, which soon 
descend into squalor and madness. The Wife starts 
out as a tippling, flute-voiced homemaker; as the 
situation worsens, her pitch drops, her jaw sets, 
and a gunmetal gleam of resolution lights up 
those functioning eyes as she labors doggedly to 
keep herself and her insta-family of fellow 
detainees from plunging into utter depravity. 
Blindness conjures a world where an ordinary gal 
has a uniquely menial kind of greatness thrust 
upon her, where the drudgery of mopping and 
laundering is a noble calling and procuring 
groceries is a do-or-die blood sport–a test of 
leadership, in fact. Who would have thought it: 
women’s work as the stuff of movie heroism. –J.W.





Sample Comment



The National Federation of the Blind is shocked 
and amazed to read the positive review of the 
film Blindness in the pages of your October 
issue.  This film is not about a heroic woman who 
saves the world; rather, it is about blindness 
and the myth that being sighted is inherently 
superior to being blind.  The character played by 
Julianne Moore is only superior to the other 
characters in the story because she can see and 
they cannot.  This formulation is offensive to 
the nation’s blind and furthers misconceptions 
and stereotypes that the general public holds 
about blindness and blind people.  The blind 
people in the film are helpless, incompetent, and 
morally degenerate; Moore’s character is 
portrayed as physically, spiritually, and morally 
superior to them because she can see.  In the 
world imagined by this film, the blind can only 
be “saved” through the assistance of the 
sighted.  This kind of thinking contributes to an 
unemployment rate of over 70 percent among 
working-age blind adults.  For this magazine to 
endorse the world view of this film is to amplify 
and affirm the film’s offensive, demeaning, and 
harmful portrayal of blind people.




From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 21:19:08 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:19:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player
Message-ID: <102820082119.6060.490781CB000DA4E9000017AC2200761064010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello jacob,

yes, i have done many updates through windows for this, but i will do a virus scan as well too! i always do a disk cleanup on my system and disk defraging too! but, i will redo it again just to be safe. thanks again for your help, and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Jacob Struiksma" <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com> 

> do you have all latest windows updates installed? service Pack 3 of windows 
> XP. make sure your virus scanner software is up to date and the virus 
> scanning is updating and scanning every day. doing disk clean up is good 
> and defrag every month uninstalling programs that you are not using that 
> not much on the computer. have spy ware program protect installed and 
> running. 
> from 
> Jacob Struiksma 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Amy Sabo" 
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> 
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:23 PM 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows media player 
> 
> 
> hello hope, 
> 
> i have recently done a disk cleanup, but i habven't done a drafragment of my 
> system nor a virus scan either, so i will do that and try it to see on that. 
> thanks for the advice, and i will talk to you soon! 
> 
> 
> hugs, 
> amy 
> 
> -------------- Original message -------------- 
> From: Hope Paulos 
> 
> > I would run a disk clean up, a defragmentation, and a virus scan. 
> > Just to be on the safe side. 
> > 
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > >From: "Serena" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> > >list" 
> > > >Date sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:38:30 -0400 
> > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] windows media player 
> > 
> > >You think there's a virus on your desk top computer? A virus 
> > makes the 
> > >Internet run really slowly and, I'm guessing, also messes with 
> > Windows Media 
> > >Player. 
> > 
> > >Serena 
> > 
> > 
> > >----- Original Message ----- 
> > >From: "Amy Sabo" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:13 PM 
> > >Subject: [nabs-l] windows media player 
> > 
> > 
> > >> hello all, 
> > 
> > >> well, lately i have been having a major problem whenever i use 
> > media 
> > >> player to listen to audio on the internet especially through 
> > internet 
> > >> radio. whenever i go to open up media player it won't let me do 
> > it, and it 
> > >> takes forever for media player to launch to listen to the tunes, 
> > and also 
> > >> during the presentation media player will pause during it, and 
> > then i have 
> > >> to hit ctrl+p to play it again! 
> > 
> > >> this is very frustrating! i have just begun using version 10, 
> > and when i 
> > >> had version 9 it also did the same thing so that's why i updated 
> > it when 
> > >> windows suggested me to do so. and, i only have this problemn 
> > on my 
> > >> desktop not on my laptop which still has 9.0 and it's works 
> > awesome on it! 
> > 
> > >> so, here's my problem how can i fix it so when i go to listen to 
> > music on 
> > >> the net that media player won't take forever to launch, and that 
> > my tunes 
> > >> or shows won't pause while i'm listening to them and that i have 
> > to hit 
> > >> play to play it again? 
> > 
> > >> thanks for your needed help, and i look forward to all of your 
> > suggestions 
> > >> on this topic. take care, and i will talk to you all soon! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >> hugs always, 
> > >> amy sabo 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct 28 21:40:44 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:40:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000071821049@mailfront2.g2host.com>

First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it 
helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.

Dave

At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>
>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how 
>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have 
>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need 
>to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character, 
>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I 
>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with 
>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask, 
>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is read the 
>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you 
>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the 
>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll 
>complain about FS another day.
>
>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want 
>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>Thanks for the help, guys.
>
>Harry
>
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>10/28/2008 10:04 AM



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 00:10:00 2008
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:10:00 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <auto-000071821049@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<auto-000071821049@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Harry,

If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing
to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then
open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and
under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or something along those
lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you
need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.

In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but
not so great for reviewing them.

Arielle

On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it
> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.
>
> Dave
>
> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how
>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have
>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need
>>to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character,
>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I
>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with
>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask,
>>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is read the
>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you
>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
>>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll
>>complain about FS another day.
>>
>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want
>>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>>Thanks for the help, guys.
>>
>>Harry
>>
>>_______________________________________________
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>>10/28/2008 10:04 AM
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 02:04:37 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:04:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <820152.22776.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your help, Arielle! I'll do that!
Did you say JAWS works for creating slideshows?  I'll have to do that for a final project in one of my classes this semester, so that's good to know.
 
Thanks!
 
Harry
 

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:10 PM

Hi Harry,

If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing
to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then
open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and
under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or something
along those
lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you
need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.

In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but
not so great for reviewing them.

Arielle

On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it
> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.
>
> Dave
>
> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>
>>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how
>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have
>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need
>>to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character,
>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I
>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with
>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask,
>>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is read
the
>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you
>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
>>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll
>>complain about FS another day.
>>
>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want
>>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>>Thanks for the help, guys.
>>
>>Harry
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date:
>>10/28/2008 10:04 AM
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Oct 29 02:07:32 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:07:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
Message-ID: <002001c9396b$1ae61520$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hi guys

This question is to anybody who uses AIM, no matter what version.  I have a deaf-blind friend who is away at a program similar to LCB, but for deaf-blind people.  He uses AIM there.  To confuse things just a little, his screen name is also set to sign on automatically on the computer he and his parents use at their house.  Is it possible for my friend to be on AIM but idle and his mom to be using the computer at the house with his screen name on it at the same time?  If yes, is there a way to know when Mom has signed off AIM and if the screen name is truely "available" or idle?

Thanks,
Serena

From newmanrl at cox.net  Wed Oct 29 02:25:48 2008
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:25:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #138- In a Crowded Place
Message-ID: <8E68FCA76D444143A38CCED31668C3D6@D78R0TG1>

NABS listers
RE:  In a Crowded Place 

Networking in a crowded and noisy environment can be for some blind people a
real challenge. This newest TP looks for answers. Can you share your
experiences on how you have made this work? If you have not read the
PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my
web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to
receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
newmanrl at cox.net 

THOUGHT PROVOKER 138 
In a Crowded Place

"It's been a hard day's night ---" The familiar lyrics rode the crest of the
wave of sound washing over me as I opened the door to the hotel bar and I
knew too well what the next hour or so would bring in terms of
communication. Sigh.  The event was my 40-year class reunion. I was here to
find my party, eight guys, my remaining teammates from our senior year
champion wrestling team. We'd start out in the bar and later move to the
larger gathering.

Inside, weaving my way among the scattered tables, I moved from one island
of sound to another, I figure my guys will grab me when I am spotted.
Chances of me finding them in this environment are slim to none.  The crowd
is fluid; people standing, sitting, walking about, so the auditory stimuli
are coming from every direction. 

"Robby boy!" the booming, beer-soaked voice directed down upon the top of my
head had to be Harley, the former heavyweight wrestler, sweeping me up into
his, now, even weightier embrace. "Com'on, little --- we're over here in
---. Let's get you a --- one." I didn't need to have heard all he said, his
firm grip and drink happy mood carried me along.

"Rob!" "Hey Bat Man how yaa ---" "Bat Ma --- oh invincible one!" A chorus of
greetings met me at the table. (All of us had special nicknames back in the
day.  Bat Man had been mine but I'd not heard it spoken aloud for years.
Harley had been Elephant Man.")

Seated next to Thomas (alias Spider Man), a friend I'd not seen in person
for nearly 20 years, I asked,  "So Tom, how's life?" Leaning forward,
positioning my ear to be at the best angle to hear his responses.

"Hey Rob," Super Man's voice projected across the table. It was Jeff, the
once team captain. "The lady wants to take your order." And thinking she was
behind, between Tom and me (where I had felt something touch me), I voiced
my order.

"Rob --- " Jeff yelled again, "she's over here! Ha, and I think she read
your lips --- a draw, right?"  I gave him a thumbs up.

Getting back to Tom, I said, "Whatever happened to that motorcycle you had?"
Not getting an answer, leaning closer I could tell he was engaged to someone
off to his right. Turning to my left to talk to John, the once smallest guy
on the team, nicknamed Invisible Man, I found him laughing it up with people
at his end of the table.

After a couple of rounds of drinks and several broken conversations with my
former teammates, consensus came to move ourselves to the banquet room.  We
made a short stop at that room's cash bar; then, glass in hand, I started
mixing and mingling prior to sitting down to dinner and speeches.

The music playing in the banquet room came from a string quartet and wasn't
going to be a problem. The room was large, had high ceilings, a carpeted
floor, and was set up with enough round tables to seat 1,000. Right off I
ran into a former girlfriend; we hugged and got caught up. 

Free again, I went on the prowl for other old friends. I used the location
of the music as a point of reference, moving through the scattering of
tables, listening for any voice I recognized or for someone to yell out my
name. There were small groups standing and talking or already seated and
visiting. I'd catch a word or phrase as I passed, even stopping a few times
to insert myself into the group's space only to find that I didn't know
them. People, people everywhere, and no one I know to be found anywhere.
Not even finding my old wrestling buddies, I got more assertive, stopping
the next person walking by. "Hi, could I ask if you have seen ---" and this
guy answers, "May I get you another drink, sir? I'm one of the banquet
staff." 



Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info


From brsmith2424 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 02:35:55 2008
From: brsmith2424 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:35:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<auto-000071821049@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e37a61680810281935l28b8d1a8k2dd820cb39582fd4@mail.gmail.com>

I've used powerpoints extensively, and another super easy way to read
them is to go to the slide show and view the powerpoint as a
slideshow. For Office 2007, after you open the file, arrow right until
you hear slides, press tab once to hear "slide show,"and press enter.
You move through slides with the space bar and the backspace. Of
course, you can always save the presentation as an RTF file, but it's
just as easy to activate a slideshow and read through the presentation
that way.
I rarely save to RTF, because often, depending on how the presentation
was made, it is hard to determine which slide contains what
information and the document becomes somewhat confusing to read.

- Brice
On 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing
> to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then
> open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and
> under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or something along those
> lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you
> need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.
>
> In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but
> not so great for reviewing them.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it
>> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how
>>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have
>>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need
>>>to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character,
>>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I
>>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with
>>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask,
>>>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is read the
>>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you
>>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
>>>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll
>>>complain about FS another day.
>>>
>>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want
>>>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>>>Thanks for the help, guys.
>>>
>>>Harry
>>>
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From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:07:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Service Update - Save Your Free Conferencing Service
Message-ID: <A4BD0DC3743143E58F1C50CD804D4A54@ginormous>

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I have not done further research but do believe these to be valid claims, as this proposal would change how these conference systems are able to survive without charging.

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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 03:21:05 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:21:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
In-Reply-To: <002001c9396b$1ae61520$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <121844.92170.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm going to say no because the computer would see that you're already signe in on another computer.
 


--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:07 PM

Hi guys

This question is to anybody who uses AIM, no matter what version.  I have a
deaf-blind friend who is away at a program similar to LCB, but for deaf-blind
people.  He uses AIM there.  To confuse things just a little, his screen name is
also set to sign on automatically on the computer he and his parents use at
their house.  Is it possible for my friend to be on AIM but idle and his mom to
be using the computer at the house with his screen name on it at the same time? 
If yes, is there a way to know when Mom has signed off AIM and if the screen
name is truely "available" or idle?

Thanks,
Serena
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 03:27:12 2008
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:27:12 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <820152.22776.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>
	<820152.22776.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030810282027p256fede0l621f6a65f3af81b3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The reason I suggested RTF is because I don't think you can move by
character or word in the slide show viewer. Correct me if I'm wrong?
Also sometimes JAWS gets tripped  up on a picture or graphic and it's
hard to move to the rest of the text.
Yes, JAWS works well for creating presentations and the
context-sensitive help is also very good. If you want to learn how
PowerPoint slides are laid out and how to navigate before starting to
build your own presentation, I'd recommend finding someone else's
presentation to read as an example and hitting insert-F1 in each slide
to hear the context-sensitive information about where you are, how to
get from one object to another, etc. That's how I learned to use it.
The only thing I really need sighted help for is if I am selecting
pictures or putting multiple pictures in one slide (to make sure they
don't go on top of each other, are both visible, etc.)

Arielle

On 10/29/08, Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your help, Arielle! I'll do that!
> Did you say JAWS works for creating slideshows?  I'll have to do that for a
> final project in one of my classes this semester, so that's good to know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Harry
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:10 PM
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing
> to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then
> open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and
> under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or something
> along those
> lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you
> need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.
>
> In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but
> not so great for reviewing them.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it
>> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how
>>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have
>>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need
>>>to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character,
>>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I
>>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with
>>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask,
>>>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is read
> the
>>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you
>>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
>>>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case.  I'll
>>>complain about FS another day.
>>>
>>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want
>>>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>>>Thanks for the help, guys.
>>>
>>>Harry
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Oct 29 03:45:02 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:45:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #138- In a Crowded Place
In-Reply-To: <8E68FCA76D444143A38CCED31668C3D6@D78R0TG1>
References: <8E68FCA76D444143A38CCED31668C3D6@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAALvHYL5htmlHvyaqIJdVqTABAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

Oh this just makes me cringe cause it happens pretty much every time I go
out. It's terrible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Robert Newman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:26 PM
To: nfbnabs
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #138- In a Crowded Place

NABS listers
RE:  In a Crowded Place 

Networking in a crowded and noisy environment can be for some blind people a
real challenge. This newest TP looks for answers. Can you share your
experiences on how you have made this work? If you have not read the
PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my
web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to
receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
newmanrl at cox.net 

THOUGHT PROVOKER 138 
In a Crowded Place

"It's been a hard day's night ---" The familiar lyrics rode the crest of the
wave of sound washing over me as I opened the door to the hotel bar and I
knew too well what the next hour or so would bring in terms of
communication. Sigh.  The event was my 40-year class reunion. I was here to
find my party, eight guys, my remaining teammates from our senior year
champion wrestling team. We'd start out in the bar and later move to the
larger gathering.

Inside, weaving my way among the scattered tables, I moved from one island
of sound to another, I figure my guys will grab me when I am spotted.
Chances of me finding them in this environment are slim to none.  The crowd
is fluid; people standing, sitting, walking about, so the auditory stimuli
are coming from every direction. 

"Robby boy!" the booming, beer-soaked voice directed down upon the top of my
head had to be Harley, the former heavyweight wrestler, sweeping me up into
his, now, even weightier embrace. "Com'on, little --- we're over here in
---. Let's get you a --- one." I didn't need to have heard all he said, his
firm grip and drink happy mood carried me along.

"Rob!" "Hey Bat Man how yaa ---" "Bat Ma --- oh invincible one!" A chorus of
greetings met me at the table. (All of us had special nicknames back in the
day.  Bat Man had been mine but I'd not heard it spoken aloud for years.
Harley had been Elephant Man.")

Seated next to Thomas (alias Spider Man), a friend I'd not seen in person
for nearly 20 years, I asked,  "So Tom, how's life?" Leaning forward,
positioning my ear to be at the best angle to hear his responses.

"Hey Rob," Super Man's voice projected across the table. It was Jeff, the
once team captain. "The lady wants to take your order." And thinking she was
behind, between Tom and me (where I had felt something touch me), I voiced
my order.

"Rob --- " Jeff yelled again, "she's over here! Ha, and I think she read
your lips --- a draw, right?"  I gave him a thumbs up.

Getting back to Tom, I said, "Whatever happened to that motorcycle you had?"
Not getting an answer, leaning closer I could tell he was engaged to someone
off to his right. Turning to my left to talk to John, the once smallest guy
on the team, nicknamed Invisible Man, I found him laughing it up with people
at his end of the table.

After a couple of rounds of drinks and several broken conversations with my
former teammates, consensus came to move ourselves to the banquet room.  We
made a short stop at that room's cash bar; then, glass in hand, I started
mixing and mingling prior to sitting down to dinner and speeches.

The music playing in the banquet room came from a string quartet and wasn't
going to be a problem. The room was large, had high ceilings, a carpeted
floor, and was set up with enough round tables to seat 1,000. Right off I
ran into a former girlfriend; we hugged and got caught up. 

Free again, I went on the prowl for other old friends. I used the location
of the music as a point of reference, moving through the scattering of
tables, listening for any voice I recognized or for someone to yell out my
name. There were small groups standing and talking or already seated and
visiting. I'd catch a word or phrase as I passed, even stopping a few times
to insert myself into the group's space only to find that I didn't know
them. People, people everywhere, and no one I know to be found anywhere.
Not even finding my old wrestling buddies, I got more assertive, stopping
the next person walking by. "Hi, could I ask if you have seen ---" and this
guy answers, "May I get you another drink, sir? I'm one of the banquet
staff." 



Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 04:16:37 2008
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:16:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for Professors
Message-ID: <16BCC3AD3DEB453CA44BB8EFFA871DEB@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,

Thank you for the excellent feedback of this past week regarding the best
tips for up and coming high school students.  I'll be compiling all your
e-mails into a document for the NABS board's approval.  The document will
then be made available with the launch of the web site.

You guys had a number of excellent thoughts.  I'm trusting your guidance
will continue this week as we turn to professors.  If a document could be
drafted to be made available to teachers and professors, how would it read?
What would the top ten pieces of advice be for faculty members regarding
blind students?  Ultimately, we'd all like to be treated equally, but break
it down for those individuals who may be completely afraid to deal with
something they may never have conceived of before.

My advice, to get things started:  Do not single out the blind kid in class.
No one likes to have the spotlight shined on them for being exceptionally
smart or exceptionally, special.  No one wants to hear about Charlie and how
Charlie is blind and how Charlie will need buddies to get some of the work
done.  Can you tell I have firsthand knowledge?

Anyway, no doubt you'll have better ideas.  Send them in, on list or
off-list.  You're helping create what will be useful, downloadable tip
sheets of use to a diverse audience.  We're counting on you!

Best,

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 04:23:18 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030810282027p256fede0l621f6a65f3af81b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <132941.83974.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Makes sense.... Thanks!
 
Harry


--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:27 PM

Hi all,

The reason I suggested RTF is because I don't think you can move by
character or word in the slide show viewer. Correct me if I'm wrong?
Also sometimes JAWS gets tripped  up on a picture or graphic and it's
hard to move to the rest of the text.
Yes, JAWS works well for creating presentations and the
context-sensitive help is also very good. If you want to learn how
PowerPoint slides are laid out and how to navigate before starting to
build your own presentation, I'd recommend finding someone else's
presentation to read as an example and hitting insert-F1 in each slide
to hear the context-sensitive information about where you are, how to
get from one object to another, etc. That's how I learned to use it.
The only thing I really need sighted help for is if I am selecting
pictures or putting multiple pictures in one slide (to make sure they
don't go on top of each other, are both visible, etc.)

Arielle

On 10/29/08, Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your help, Arielle! I'll do that!
> Did you say JAWS works for creating slideshows?  I'll have to do that
for a
> final project in one of my classes this semester, so that's good to
know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Harry
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:10 PM
>
> Hi Harry,
>
> If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing
> to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then
> open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and
> under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or
something
> along those
> lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you
> need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.
>
> In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but
> not so great for reviewing them.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it
>> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how
>>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have
>>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need
>>>to be able to review the lsides in detail --
character-by-character,
>>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and
also I
>>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with
>>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask,
>>>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is
read
> the
>>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you
>>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
>>>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case. 
I'll
>>>complain about FS another day.
>>>
>>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they
want
>>>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>>>Thanks for the help, guys.
>>>
>>>Harry
>>>
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 05:00:53 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:00:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680810281935l28b8d1a8k2dd820cb39582fd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <259003.48158.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, that makes it really readable!
 
Harry


--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:35 PM

I've used powerpoints extensively, and another super easy way to read
them is to go to the slide show and view the powerpoint as a
slideshow. For Office 2007, after you open the file, arrow right until
you hear slides, press tab once to hear "slide show,"and press enter.
You move through slides with the space bar and the backspace. Of
course, you can always save the presentation as an RTF file, but it's
just as easy to activate a slideshow and read through the presentation
that way.
I rarely save to RTF, because often, depending on how the presentation
was made, it is hard to determine which slide contains what
information and the document becomes somewhat confusing to read.

- Brice
On 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Harry,
>
> If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing
> to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then
> open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and
> under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or
something along those
> lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you
> need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.
>
> In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but
> not so great for reviewing them.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it
>> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Call for help here!  Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how
>>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it!  I have
>>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need
>>>to be able to review the lsides in detail --
character-by-character,
>>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and
also I
>>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with
>>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing.  Not too much to ask,
>>>I odn't think.  I have tried insert A, but all that does is
read the
>>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you
>>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the
>>>mark, since sighted people have that option.  I rest my case. 
I'll
>>>complain about FS another day.
>>>
>>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they
want
>>>to give it a whirl for themselves.
>>>Thanks for the help, guys.
>>>
>>>Harry
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Oct 29 05:28:11 2008
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:28:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for Professors
Message-ID: <102920080528.11741.4907F46B0009681C00002DDD2206824693010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello joe,

ok, i will start this discussion and topic, and i'm sure that others will do the same as well too! one tip that i would like to see professors to do is to verbalize everything that is being said while they are writing on the board. i have had to ask them many times to do this in my classes.

another tip would be that the student  has the right to use their adaptive equipment for a test or quiz if the test is open book/open notes. i had to deal with this for my midterm and, the dss had to over ride this thanks to the director.

so, those are the two tips to begin this discussion. take care all and, i look forward to others posts and thoughts on this topic.


hugs,
amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com> 

> Hello all, 
> 
> Thank you for the excellent feedback of this past week regarding the best 
> tips for up and coming high school students. I'll be compiling all your 
> e-mails into a document for the NABS board's approval. The document will 
> then be made available with the launch of the web site. 
> 
> You guys had a number of excellent thoughts. I'm trusting your guidance 
> will continue this week as we turn to professors. If a document could be 
> drafted to be made available to teachers and professors, how would it read? 
> What would the top ten pieces of advice be for faculty members regarding 
> blind students? Ultimately, we'd all like to be treated equally, but break 
> it down for those individuals who may be completely afraid to deal with 
> something they may never have conceived of before. 
> 
> My advice, to get things started: Do not single out the blind kid in class. 
> No one likes to have the spotlight shined on them for being exceptionally 
> smart or exceptionally, special. No one wants to hear about Charlie and how 
> Charlie is blind and how Charlie will need buddies to get some of the work 
> done. Can you tell I have firsthand knowledge? 
> 
> Anyway, no doubt you'll have better ideas. Send them in, on list or 
> off-list. You're helping create what will be useful, downloadable tip 
> sheets of use to a diverse audience. We're counting on you! 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Joe Orozco 
> 
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M. 
> Barrie 
> 
> 
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Oct 29 06:43:08 2008
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:43:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for Professors
In-Reply-To: <16BCC3AD3DEB453CA44BB8EFFA871DEB@MonkeyPaw>
References: <16BCC3AD3DEB453CA44BB8EFFA871DEB@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAFdPTd/NIYVEstr29LJzH+YBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

Yes - singling out is a no-no for sure, unless the student suggests/requests
it. I have never heard of it before, but it's probably worth including.
Also, speaking to the student about their needs rather than to the office
for persons with disabilities is paramount. Although this office is a good
resource, and will help with logistical things, they don't know the
student/their needs like the student does.
Submitting reading lists/titles of textbooks immediately when requested is
essential. I am under the impression/belief that failure to do this was the
reason why I am only receiving textbooks now, at mid-terms. This is
unacceptable and profs/teachers need to know the potentially long time it
takes for books to be transcribed into Braille or another alternate format.
Submitting handouts/tests early to a transcriber is essential as well.
Having equal expectations for blind/visually impaired students as any other
student is essential. On the same card it is not fair for a blind student to
have to complete an assignment on observing the stars, for example, without
some kind of modification. So creativity must be used in teaching visually
impaired or blind students, especially when teaching visual concepts such as
colour, reflection of light, or other things blind students have never
experienced.
Don't be afraid of teaching a blind/visually impaired student either. They
will enrich your teaching, and many other students often benefit from the
modifications teachers make in order to teach someone with a visual
impairment, or any other special need.
Thank you for reading this, and I hope it helps the website.
Sarah


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:17 AM
To: Arizona Students; 'California Students'; Colorado Center; 'Colorado
Students'; Florida Students; 'Illinois Students'; 'Kansas Students';
Kentucky Students; Louisiana Students; Michigan; Minnesota Students;
Missouri; National; Nebraska; New Hampshire Students; New Jersey Students;
'North Carolina Students'; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Presidents; TABS Students;
Tennessee Students; 'Utah Students'; Virginia Students
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for Professors

Hello all,

Thank you for the excellent feedback of this past week regarding the best
tips for up and coming high school students.  I'll be compiling all your
e-mails into a document for the NABS board's approval.  The document will
then be made available with the launch of the web site.

You guys had a number of excellent thoughts.  I'm trusting your guidance
will continue this week as we turn to professors.  If a document could be
drafted to be made available to teachers and professors, how would it read?
What would the top ten pieces of advice be for faculty members regarding
blind students?  Ultimately, we'd all like to be treated equally, but break
it down for those individuals who may be completely afraid to deal with
something they may never have conceived of before.

My advice, to get things started:  Do not single out the blind kid in class.
No one likes to have the spotlight shined on them for being exceptionally
smart or exceptionally, special.  No one wants to hear about Charlie and how
Charlie is blind and how Charlie will need buddies to get some of the work
done.  Can you tell I have firsthand knowledge?

Anyway, no doubt you'll have better ideas.  Send them in, on list or
off-list.  You're helping create what will be useful, downloadable tip
sheets of use to a diverse audience.  We're counting on you!

Best,

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 11:43:21 2008
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:43:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for Professors
References: <16BCC3AD3DEB453CA44BB8EFFA871DEB@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <00a701c939bb$8bdb4340$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Be willing to e-mail work sheets and other materials if the student requests 
that and if it is possible.  Come up with another way the same assignment or 
project can be done if the student is not able to get the work done the way 
the instructer wants it to be done.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "Arizona Students" <arizona-students at nfbnet.org>; "'California 
Students'" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "Colorado Center" 
<ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org>; "'Colorado Students'" <cabs at nfbnet.org>; "Florida 
Students" <fabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Illinois Students'" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; 
"'Kansas Students'" <kabs at nfbnet.org>; "Kentucky Students" 
<nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>; "Louisiana Students" <la-students at nfbnet.org>; 
"Michigan" <mi-abs at nfbnet.org>; "Minnesota Students" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; 
"Missouri" <mabs at nfbnet.org>; "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "Nebraska" 
<nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Hampshire Students" 
<new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>; "New Jersey Students" 
<njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'North Carolina Students'" <ncabs at nfbnet.org>; 
"Ohio" <oabs at nfbnet.org>; "Pennsylvania" <nfbofpa at att.net>; "Presidents" 
<Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "TABS Students" 
<tabs_students at googlegroups.com>; "Tennessee Students" <tabs at nfbnet.org>; 
"'Utah Students'" <uabs at nfbnet.org>; "Virginia Students" <vabs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:16 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] 10 Best Tips for Professors


> Hello all,
>
> Thank you for the excellent feedback of this past week regarding the best
> tips for up and coming high school students.  I'll be compiling all your
> e-mails into a document for the NABS board's approval.  The document will
> then be made available with the launch of the web site.
>
> You guys had a number of excellent thoughts.  I'm trusting your guidance
> will continue this week as we turn to professors.  If a document could be
> drafted to be made available to teachers and professors, how would it 
> read?
> What would the top ten pieces of advice be for faculty members regarding
> blind students?  Ultimately, we'd all like to be treated equally, but 
> break
> it down for those individuals who may be completely afraid to deal with
> something they may never have conceived of before.
>
> My advice, to get things started:  Do not single out the blind kid in 
> class.
> No one likes to have the spotlight shined on them for being exceptionally
> smart or exceptionally, special.  No one wants to hear about Charlie and 
> how
> Charlie is blind and how Charlie will need buddies to get some of the work
> done.  Can you tell I have firsthand knowledge?
>
> Anyway, no doubt you'll have better ideas.  Send them in, on list or
> off-list.  You're helping create what will be useful, downloadable tip
> sheets of use to a diverse audience.  We're counting on you!
>
> Best,
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> M.
> Barrie
>
>
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From jw927 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 29 14:32:02 2008
From: jw927 at comcast.net (Jess Watson)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:32:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
Message-ID: <006401c939d3$1c653fd0$cbd4fea9@Jess>

Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I am doing great. I apologize that this information that I am about to share with you is unrelated to the current topic. I would like to inform everyone that my rehab counselor and I are getting the job evaluation process started. I have decided to not worry about college for now because I want to get a job as either a receptionist or in childcare. I have done phone work in the past, and I actually did pretty well at that. However, I am wondering if any of you have worked with children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a blind person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me. thank you

From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Wed Oct 29 16:33:46 2008
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:33:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
References: <006401c939d3$1c653fd0$cbd4fea9@Jess>
Message-ID: <002e01c939e4$1d946140$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>

Hi there,

A good friend worked as an intern at a day care facility. She was able to 
interact, and engage the toddlers. this friend is in the psychology field, 
and wants to work with children or youth.

this is being done by blind people all over the country, so if you have the 
qualifications for the job, the drive to work, and some idea of challenges 
due to blindness, and how you plan to overcome them, you are 90 percent 
there.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Antonio Guimaraes


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jess Watson" <jw927 at comcast.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


> Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I am doing great. I apologize 
> that this information that I am about to share with you is unrelated to 
> the current topic. I would like to inform everyone that my rehab counselor 
> and I are getting the job evaluation process started. I have decided to 
> not worry about college for now because I want to get a job as either a 
> receptionist or in childcare. I have done phone work in the past, and I 
> actually did pretty well at that. However, I am wondering if any of you 
> have worked with children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job 
> for a blind person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me. thank 
> you
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 18:18:32 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:18:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
In-Reply-To: <006401c939d3$1c653fd0$cbd4fea9@Jess>
References: <006401c939d3$1c653fd0$cbd4fea9@Jess>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810291118t78f1dcd9s8872963864a817e7@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard of blind people who've done work with children.  I think
that can happen.  Remember, you can do anything if ou put your mind to
it.
Beth

On 10/29/08, Jess Watson <jw927 at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I am doing great. I apologize
> that this information that I am about to share with you is unrelated to the
> current topic. I would like to inform everyone that my rehab counselor and I
> are getting the job evaluation process started. I have decided to not worry
> about college for now because I want to get a job as either a receptionist
> or in childcare. I have done phone work in the past, and I actually did
> pretty well at that. However, I am wondering if any of you have worked with
> children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a blind
> person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me. thank you
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From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Wed Oct 29 19:08:19 2008
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
In-Reply-To: <006401c939d3$1c653fd0$cbd4fea9@Jess>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAELOCDAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I have worked with children. I know some blind people in the NFB have done
it. There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she has moved
away. There are some things that you would have to do differently, such as
monitoring the playground. Working with children can be hard but it can be a
lot of fun too. Good luck with everything. I hope this helps.
Rachel
P.S. Are you coming to convention?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Jess Watson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I am doing great. I apologize
that this information that I am about to share with you is unrelated to the
current topic. I would like to inform everyone that my rehab counselor and I
are getting the job evaluation process started. I have decided to not worry
about college for now because I want to get a job as either a receptionist
or in childcare. I have done phone work in the past, and I actually did
pretty well at that. However, I am wondering if any of you have worked with
children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a blind
person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me. thank you
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From maria.kristic at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 19:39:24 2008
From: maria.kristic at gmail.com (Maria Kristic)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:39:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030810282027p256fede0l621f6a65f3af81b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com><820152.22776.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<b6b933030810282027p256fede0l621f6a65f3af81b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E731965852E4312B13EF2DAF1303876@maria>

To review a PowerPoint, I move in to the text box as if I'm going to edit
it. So, if I open a presentation in PowerPoint 2003 with the Slide
Thumbnails area active, I hit F6 to move to the Slide Area. I'm focused on
the first slide by default, so I TAB until JAWS has indicated that I'm in a
text box of some sort or in the body placeholder, and if I hear that it has
text because JAWS begins to read it, I hit CTRL to silence JAWS, then hit
ENTER to move in to the body/text area as if I'm going to edit it. I can now
move character by character or however I like. When I'm done, I hit ESC,
then TAB over to any other text areas and do the same, or hit PAGE DOWN to
move to the next slide while in the Slide area.

I've also used JAWS to independently create PPT presentations, and, like
Arielle, I just had a sighted person help me deal with picture insertion in
terms of making sure that the positioning was good and such.

HTH,
Maria
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,

Hi all,

The reason I suggested RTF is because I don't think you can move by
character or word in the slide show viewer. Correct me if I'm wrong?
Also sometimes JAWS gets tripped  up on a picture or graphic and it's
hard to move to the rest of the text.
Yes, JAWS works well for creating presentations and the
context-sensitive help is also very good. If you want to learn how
PowerPoint slides are laid out and how to navigate before starting to
build your own presentation, I'd recommend finding someone else's
presentation to read as an example and hitting insert-F1 in each slide
to hear the context-sensitive information about where you are, how to
get from one object to another, etc. That's how I learned to use it.
The only thing I really need sighted help for is if I am selecting
pictures or putting multiple pictures in one slide (to make sure they
don't go on top of each other, are both visible, etc.)

Arielle



From maria.kristic at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 19:58:04 2008
From: maria.kristic at gmail.com (Maria Kristic)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:58:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680810281935l28b8d1a8k2dd820cb39582fd4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <586715.75521.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com><auto-000071821049@mailfront2.g2host.com><b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>
	<e37a61680810281935l28b8d1a8k2dd820cb39582fd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71BED76980AB40419155B00738B7FAA8@maria>

Just to let you know, you should be able to just press F5 after opening a
PowerPoint presentation, and it'll run as a slide show. I just looked up the
shortcut to see if it was available in Office 2007, since I have 2003, and
it is. Also, I can move character by character when reading the slide as I
am running a slide show, and I personally haven't had issues with JAWS not
reading past certain items--this is currently with Office 2003, though, and
I can't speak to Office 2007 from personal experience. BTW, if anyone has a
PACMate Omni here and hasn't yet tried it, running a slide show in PPT
Mobile pretty much works the same way--SPACE and BACKSPACE move you forward
and backward, respectively, through slides, and the slides are presented in
the Virtual Viewer.

Cheers,
Maria
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Brice Smith
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 10:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,

I've used powerpoints extensively, and another super easy way to read
them is to go to the slide show and view the powerpoint as a
slideshow. For Office 2007, after you open the file, arrow right until
you hear slides, press tab once to hear "slide show,"and press enter.
You move through slides with the space bar and the backspace. Of
course, you can always save the presentation as an RTF file, but it's
just as easy to activate a slideshow and read through the presentation
that way.
I rarely save to RTF, because often, depending on how the presentation
was made, it is hard to determine which slide contains what
information and the document becomes somewhat confusing to read.

- Brice



From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Wed Oct 29 23:20:20 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:20:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
Message-ID: <20081029231932.XUYA23307.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at 
Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last 
Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In 
this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with 
multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a 
daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm 
toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with 
a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most 
likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to 
have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high 
school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working 
with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.  
You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done, 
I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had 
to recertify.

Hope this helps.
Hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB 
have done
>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she 
has moved
>away.  There are some things that you would have to do 
differently, such as
>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but 
it can be a
>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>Rachel
>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I 
apologize
>that this information that I am about to share with you is 
unrelated to the
>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab 
counselor and I
>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided 
to not worry
>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a 
receptionist
>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I 
actually did
>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have 
worked with
>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a 
blind
>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank 
you
>_______________________________________________
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Oct 29 23:29:05 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:29:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
References: <121844.92170.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003001c93a1e$22c5d470$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hey Harry and all

That's what one would think, but I talked to my brother about it today and 
he says that my friend and his mom can certainly be on his screen name at 
the same time and not know it.  My bro says I have to be a detective to see 
which computer my screen name is showing me is on AIM.  Looking at the 
online time and if the screen name is idle is one way to tell.  My friend 
tends to leave his sn on all the time, as many people of our age group do. 
His mom, of course, wouldn't do that cause she doesn't really need to. 
Also, if the profiles look different, that could also help.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AIM question


I'm going to say no because the computer would see that you're already signe 
in on another computer.



--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:07 PM

Hi guys

This question is to anybody who uses AIM, no matter what version.  I have a
deaf-blind friend who is away at a program similar to LCB, but for 
deaf-blind
people.  He uses AIM there.  To confuse things just a little, his screen 
name is
also set to sign on automatically on the computer he and his parents use at
their house.  Is it possible for my friend to be on AIM but idle and his mom 
to
be using the computer at the house with his screen name on it at the same 
time?
If yes, is there a way to know when Mom has signed off AIM and if the screen
name is truely "available" or idle?

Thanks,
Serena
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 29 23:30:34 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
In-Reply-To: <20081029231932.XUYA23307.hrndva-omta05.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <622213.89263.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hope,
I see no reason why you would need to ahve an aid in the room when teaching high school; I would think it would be easy enough to tell when students are/are not payin attention, whispering, passing notes, etc.  And I am totally blind, so I don't have a "partial vision" bias, either, if that makes sense.  I've never stuent tought, or anything, but it just makes sense to me.
 
But here's a question, and maybe more appropriately directed to the educators' list, but when you say, "Does anyone have any questions," whether that be to a group of students, or any audience, how do you get responses.  Obviously you can see them raise their hands, but that's waht we're all taught to do from childhoo, so what do you say?  It's always a little awkward for me to explain because I odn't have a quick way of explaining it, etc.  This this make sense?
 
Thanks, and anyone with more experience on the eyes in the room thing please chime in as I am only guessing.
 
Harry


--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:20 PM

Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at 
Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last 
Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In 
this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with 
multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a 
daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm 
toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with 
a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most 
likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to 
have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high 
school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working 
with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.  
You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done, 
I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had 
to recertify.

Hope this helps.
Hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB 
have done
>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she 
has moved
>away.  There are some things that you would have to do 
differently, such as
>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but 
it can be a
>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>Rachel
>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I 
apologize
>that this information that I am about to share with you is 
unrelated to the
>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab 
counselor and I
>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided 
to not worry
>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a 
receptionist
>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I 
actually did
>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have 
worked with
>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a 
blind
>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank 
you
>_______________________________________________
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 23:58:18 2008
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:58:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
In-Reply-To: <003001c93a1e$22c5d470$0201a8c0@Serene>
References: <121844.92170.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<003001c93a1e$22c5d470$0201a8c0@Serene>
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Despite my objections to this thread being off topic, I will offer  
this as a solution. It seems to me that the easiest solution is to  
disable the screen name's auto-login feature. Then, if he signs in,  
you know it's him.


On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Serena wrote:

Hey Harry and all

That's what one would think, but I talked to my brother about it today  
and he says that my friend and his mom can certainly be on his screen  
name at the same time and not know it.  My bro says I have to be a  
detective to see which computer my screen name is showing me is on  
AIM.  Looking at the online time and if the screen name is idle is one  
way to tell.  My friend tends to leave his sn on all the time, as many  
people of our age group do. His mom, of course, wouldn't do that cause  
she doesn't really need to. Also, if the profiles look different, that  
could also help.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 >
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AIM question


I'm going to say no because the computer would see that you're already  
signe in on another computer.



--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 >
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:07 PM

Hi guys

This question is to anybody who uses AIM, no matter what version.  I  
have a
deaf-blind friend who is away at a program similar to LCB, but for  
deaf-blind
people.  He uses AIM there.  To confuse things just a little, his  
screen name is
also set to sign on automatically on the computer he and his parents  
use at
their house.  Is it possible for my friend to be on AIM but idle and  
his mom to
be using the computer at the house with his screen name on it at the  
same time?
If yes, is there a way to know when Mom has signed off AIM and if the  
screen
name is truely "available" or idle?

Thanks,
Serena
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 01:14:15 2008
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:14:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
Message-ID: <B616175178124320B60F40A1376B8135@Ashley>

Hi all,

I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas for myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper for my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking, organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging.  I use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for.  Much research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not accessible.  So my questions.

Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are lots of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an article I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as wel.

How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average from my experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't know what I'm looking for exactly.
How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well?  This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later what page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.  

Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play?  Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right databases and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of as we gathered info.

I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and read it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.

Any ideas are appreciated.

Ashley


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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Oct 30 01:16:43 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:16:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
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That sounds good.  I'll talk to his mom about doing that.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AIM question


> Despite my objections to this thread being off topic, I will offer  this 
> as a solution. It seems to me that the easiest solution is to  disable the 
> screen name's auto-login feature. Then, if he signs in,  you know it's 
> him.
>
>
> On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:29 PM, Serena wrote:
>
> Hey Harry and all
>
> That's what one would think, but I talked to my brother about it today 
> and he says that my friend and his mom can certainly be on his screen 
> name at the same time and not know it.  My bro says I have to be a 
> detective to see which computer my screen name is showing me is on  AIM. 
> Looking at the online time and if the screen name is idle is one  way to 
> tell.  My friend tends to leave his sn on all the time, as many  people of 
> our age group do. His mom, of course, wouldn't do that cause  she doesn't 
> really need to. Also, if the profiles look different, that  could also 
> help.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AIM question
>
>
> I'm going to say no because the computer would see that you're already 
> signe in on another computer.
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> Subject: [nabs-l] AIM question
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:07 PM
>
> Hi guys
>
> This question is to anybody who uses AIM, no matter what version.  I  have 
> a
> deaf-blind friend who is away at a program similar to LCB, but for 
> deaf-blind
> people.  He uses AIM there.  To confuse things just a little, his  screen 
> name is
> also set to sign on automatically on the computer he and his parents  use 
> at
> their house.  Is it possible for my friend to be on AIM but idle and  his 
> mom to
> be using the computer at the house with his screen name on it at the  same 
> time?
> If yes, is there a way to know when Mom has signed off AIM and if the 
> screen
> name is truely "available" or idle?
>
> Thanks,
> Serena
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Thu Oct 30 01:16:25 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:16:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
Message-ID: <20081030011537.EQYC20152.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hi there Harry! I haven't yet student tought, but I've done a 
number of presentations with my guide dog and children.  I 
usually try to make a joke of it.  I ask them if they have any 
questions, and tell them not to raise their hands, because if 
they did, we'd be here all day.  I have them calmly call out (one 
person at a time) their question.  Does an theucator's listexist? 
If so I'd like to get info to join! I have plenty of questions 
for blind (preferably totally blind) educators.  Smile.  Since am 
teaching Spanish, how do I use the blackboard to write words? How 
do I go about adminstering exams etc? Anwway, from anyone want! 
to contact me off list with the info for the educators list I'd 
greatly appreiatex.
Sorry to have gone off topic.

Hope and Beignete

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>Hope,
>I see no reason why you would need to ahve an aid in the room 
when teaching high school; I would think it would be easy enough 
to tell when students are/are not payin attention, whispering, 
passing notes, etc.  And I am totally blind, so I don't have a 
"partial vision" bias, either, if that makes sense.  I've never 
stuent tought, or anything, but it just makes sense to me.
> 
>But here's a question, and maybe more appropriately directed to 
the educators' list, but when you say, "Does anyone have any 
questions," whether that be to a group of students, or any 
audience, how do you get responses.  Obviously you can see them 
raise their hands, but that's waht we're all taught to do from 
childhoo, so what do you say?  It's always a little awkward for 
me to explain because I odn't have a quick way of explaining it, 
etc.  This this make sense?
> 
>Thanks, and anyone with more experience on the eyes in the room 
thing please chime in as I am only guessing.
> 
>Harry


>--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

>From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:20 PM

>Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at
>Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last
>Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In
>this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with
>multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a
>daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm
>toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with
>a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most
>likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to
>have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high
>school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working
>with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.
>You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done,
>I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had
>to recertify.

>Hope this helps.
>Hope and Beignet

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB
>have done
>>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she
>has moved
>>away.  There are some things that you would have to do
>differently, such as
>>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but
>it can be a
>>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>>Rachel
>>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


>>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I
>apologize
>>that this information that I am about to share with you is
>unrelated to the
>>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab
>counselor and I
>>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided
>to not worry
>>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a
>receptionist
>>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I
>actually did
>>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have
>worked with
>>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a
>blind
>>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank
>you
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 02:05:53 2008
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:05:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
In-Reply-To: <20081030011537.EQYC20152.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <91571.42396.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I didn't know you were teaching Spanish, hope.  I'd really like to know those same answers... because I will be teaching, as well, but not children.  The info for the list...  Go to www.nfbnet.org and you can find the lists there - it's called NOBE-L - National Organization for Blind Educators.
 
Hope this helps!
 
Talk to you soon,
 
Harry


--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 8:16 PM

Hi there Harry! I haven't yet student tought, but I've done a 
number of presentations with my guide dog and children.  I 
usually try to make a joke of it.  I ask them if they have any 
questions, and tell them not to raise their hands, because if 
they did, we'd be here all day.  I have them calmly call out (one 
person at a time) their question.  Does an theucator's listexist? 
If so I'd like to get info to join! I have plenty of questions 
for blind (preferably totally blind) educators.  Smile.  Since am 
teaching Spanish, how do I use the blackboard to write words? How 
do I go about adminstering exams etc? Anwway, from anyone want! 
to contact me off list with the info for the educators list I'd 
greatly appreiatex.
Sorry to have gone off topic.

Hope and Beignete

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>Hope,
>I see no reason why you would need to ahve an aid in the room 
when teaching high school; I would think it would be easy enough 
to tell when students are/are not payin attention, whispering, 
passing notes, etc.  And I am totally blind, so I don't have a 
"partial vision" bias, either, if that makes sense.  I've never 
stuent tought, or anything, but it just makes sense to me.
> 
>But here's a question, and maybe more appropriately directed to 
the educators' list, but when you say, "Does anyone have any 
questions," whether that be to a group of students, or any 
audience, how do you get responses.  Obviously you can see them 
raise their hands, but that's waht we're all taught to do from 
childhoo, so what do you say?  It's always a little awkward for 
me to explain because I odn't have a quick way of explaining it, 
etc.  This this make sense?
> 
>Thanks, and anyone with more experience on the eyes in the room 
thing please chime in as I am only guessing.
> 
>Harry


>--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

>From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:20 PM

>Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at
>Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last
>Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In
>this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with
>multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a
>daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm
>toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with
>a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most
>likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to
>have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high
>school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working
>with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.
>You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done,
>I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had
>to recertify.

>Hope this helps.
>Hope and Beignet

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB
>have done
>>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she
>has moved
>>away.  There are some things that you would have to do
>differently, such as
>>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but
>it can be a
>>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>>Rachel
>>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


>>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I
>apologize
>>that this information that I am about to share with you is
>unrelated to the
>>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab
>counselor and I
>>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided
>to not worry
>>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a
>receptionist
>>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I
>actually did
>>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have
>worked with
>>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a
>blind
>>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank
>you
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>for
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 03:09:32 2008
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:09:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
References: <20081030011537.EQYC20152.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <D74D806FEC6F4E58A664D21610089AE7@Ashley>

Hope,  are you studying to be a teacher in college?  What sort of teacher 
will you be?  Unless you were taught print, you cannot write on the 
blackboard.  It will be illedgible. If you have some vision now or had in 
the past, you know print.  If you don't know print, just an alternative to 
the blackboard such as overheads or ask students to write on the board for 
you.

If you go to nfbnet.org and click on join nfb mailing lists, you'll find a 
list of listserves.  Click on nobe-l and fill out the form to join.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation


Hi there Harry! I haven't yet student tought, but I've done a
number of presentations with my guide dog and children.  I
usually try to make a joke of it.  I ask them if they have any
questions, and tell them not to raise their hands, because if
they did, we'd be here all day.  I have them calmly call out (one
person at a time) their question.  Does an theucator's listexist?
If so I'd like to get info to join! I have plenty of questions
for blind (preferably totally blind) educators.  Smile.  Since am
teaching Spanish, how do I use the blackboard to write words? How
do I go about adminstering exams etc? Anwway, from anyone want!
to contact me off list with the info for the educators list I'd
greatly appreiatex.
Sorry to have gone off topic.

Hope and Beignete

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>Hope,
>I see no reason why you would need to ahve an aid in the room
when teaching high school; I would think it would be easy enough
to tell when students are/are not payin attention, whispering,
passing notes, etc. And I am totally blind, so I don't have a
"partial vision" bias, either, if that makes sense. I've never
stuent tought, or anything, but it just makes sense to me.
>
>But here's a question, and maybe more appropriately directed to
the educators' list, but when you say, "Does anyone have any
questions," whether that be to a group of students, or any
audience, how do you get responses. Obviously you can see them
raise their hands, but that's waht we're all taught to do from
childhoo, so what do you say? It's always a little awkward for
me to explain because I odn't have a quick way of explaining it,
etc. This this make sense?
>
>Thanks, and anyone with more experience on the eyes in the room
thing please chime in as I am only guessing.
>
>Harry


>--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

>From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:20 PM

>Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at
>Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last
>Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In
>this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with
>multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a
>daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm
>toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with
>a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most
>likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to
>have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high
>school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working
>with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.
>You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done,
>I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had
>to recertify.

>Hope this helps.
>Hope and Beignet

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB
>have done
>>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she
>has moved
>>away.  There are some things that you would have to do
>differently, such as
>>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but
>it can be a
>>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>>Rachel
>>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


>>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I
>apologize
>>that this information that I am about to share with you is
>unrelated to the
>>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab
>counselor and I
>>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided
>to not worry
>>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a
>receptionist
>>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I
>actually did
>>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have
>worked with
>>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a
>blind
>>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank
>you
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>for
>>nabs-l:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40
>beckerconsu
>>ltants.com


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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Oct 30 02:09:30 2008
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:09:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
References: <B616175178124320B60F40A1376B8135@Ashley>
Message-ID: <001d01c93a34$8bd014b0$0201a8c0@Serene>

I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost are pretty 
accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them all the way 
through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  The 
librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I wouldn't 
have to use readers for that.

Serena

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods


> Hi all,
>
> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas for 
> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper for 
> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking, 
> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging.  I 
> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for.  Much 
> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not 
> accessible.  So my questions.
>
> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its 
> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are lots 
> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an article 
> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as wel.
>
> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it 
> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average from 
> my experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't 
> know what I'm looking for exactly.
> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well? 
> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later what 
> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.
>
> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play? 
> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of 
> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right 
> databases and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of 
> as we gathered info.
>
> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and read 
> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but 
> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.
>
> Any ideas are appreciated.
>
> Ashley
>
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From yvgarcia at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 04:46:22 2008
From: yvgarcia at gmail.com (Yolanda Garcia)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:46:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
References: <20081030011537.EQYC20152.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <008101c93a4a$7601cc30$0201a8c0@yolanda>

Hi Hope,
    When I interned last year at the substance abuse intensive outpatient 
treatment facility, it was required for me to regularly lead didactic 
lectures  with the women's group. Sometimes my relapse prevention lessons 
called for me to write information on the wipe off board we had in the room, 
and my alternative technique was to have a co-worker assist me with placing 
a few rows of masking tape placed on the wipe off board. Having the masking 
tape gave me a tactual guideline of being able to write down key concepts or 
phrases straight across the board everytime I lectured. This is a low cost, 
effective,  and easy way to quickly adapt a setting for some black board 
writing.

If you'll be doing a lot of intensive writing, then look into the 
alternative of having a few different students write on the board as it 
lends to the opportunity of engaging the class more.

And I too would reiterate looking at also joining the National Organization 
of Blind Educators list serve as I'm sure there are many experienced 
teachers who could probably tell you many more techniques. Good luck with 
everything!

Warmest,
Yolanda
List Chair and NABS Board Member
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation


Hi there Harry! I haven't yet student tought, but I've done a
number of presentations with my guide dog and children.  I
usually try to make a joke of it.  I ask them if they have any
questions, and tell them not to raise their hands, because if
they did, we'd be here all day.  I have them calmly call out (one
person at a time) their question.  Does an theucator's listexist?
If so I'd like to get info to join! I have plenty of questions
for blind (preferably totally blind) educators.  Smile.  Since am
teaching Spanish, how do I use the blackboard to write words? How
do I go about adminstering exams etc? Anwway, from anyone want!
to contact me off list with the info for the educators list I'd
greatly appreiatex.
Sorry to have gone off topic.

Hope and Beignete

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>Hope,
>I see no reason why you would need to ahve an aid in the room
when teaching high school; I would think it would be easy enough
to tell when students are/are not payin attention, whispering,
passing notes, etc. And I am totally blind, so I don't have a
"partial vision" bias, either, if that makes sense. I've never
stuent tought, or anything, but it just makes sense to me.
>
>But here's a question, and maybe more appropriately directed to
the educators' list, but when you say, "Does anyone have any
questions," whether that be to a group of students, or any
audience, how do you get responses. Obviously you can see them
raise their hands, but that's waht we're all taught to do from
childhoo, so what do you say? It's always a little awkward for
me to explain because I odn't have a quick way of explaining it,
etc. This this make sense?
>
>Thanks, and anyone with more experience on the eyes in the room
thing please chime in as I am only guessing.
>
>Harry


>--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

>From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:20 PM

>Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at
>Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last
>Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In
>this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with
>multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a
>daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm
>toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with
>a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most
>likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to
>have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high
>school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working
>with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.
>You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done,
>I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had
>to recertify.

>Hope this helps.
>Hope and Beignet

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation

>>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB
>have done
>>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she
>has moved
>>away.  There are some things that you would have to do
>differently, such as
>>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but
>it can be a
>>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>>Rachel
>>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation


>>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I
>apologize
>>that this information that I am about to share with you is
>unrelated to the
>>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab
>counselor and I
>>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided
>to not worry
>>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a
>receptionist
>>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I
>actually did
>>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have
>worked with
>>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a
>blind
>>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank
>you
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 13:54:00 2008
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:54:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
In-Reply-To: <001d01c93a34$8bd014b0$0201a8c0@Serene>
References: <B616175178124320B60F40A1376B8135@Ashley>
	<001d01c93a34$8bd014b0$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <4ed9a39a0810300654m2f673a14p5a4513261ed4be9b@mail.gmail.com>

This will be brief because I am running to class in a moment. If you
use Kurzweil, I open the articles in Adobe Reader, then print to "KESI
Virtual Printer"--installed when you install K1000. The page numbers
then appear at the top or bottom of the Kurzweil pages, as those are
printed on each page of the journal. There's an option in K1000 to
"review" or "skim" or something like that -- basically it reads the
first sentence of each paragraph. I read the first few paragraphs of
the article, the last few paragraphs of the article, and the first
sentence of each paragraph. That usually tells me whether the article
will be helpful -- if so, then I find parts that seemed of use and
read those.

I use a magnification program, not JAWS, so I am not sure about
database accessbility.

I am trying a new strategy for notes -- a new Word document for each
source, and then later blend those together into an outline of quotes,
paraphrases, etc. Then it's writing time!

Good luck.
Corbb

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost are pretty
> accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them all the way
> through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  The
> librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I wouldn't
> have to use readers for that.
>
> Serena
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas for
>> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper for
>> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking,
>> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging.  I
>> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for.  Much
>> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not
>> accessible.  So my questions.
>>
>> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its
>> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are lots
>> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an article
>> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as wel.
>>
>> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it
>> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average from my
>> experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't know
>> what I'm looking for exactly.
>> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well?
>> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later what
>> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.
>>
>> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play?
>> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of
>> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right databases
>> and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of as we
>> gathered info.
>>
>> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and read
>> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but
>> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.
>>
>> Any ideas are appreciated.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 15:54:50 2008
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:54:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
References: <B616175178124320B60F40A1376B8135@Ashley><001d01c93a34$8bd014b0$0201a8c0@Serene>
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Corbb,

I like your idea to read the first few paragraphs and last few paragraphs of 
the article.  I've done that with a reader.  I know jaws can go by paragraph 
in word as well.  I think I'll use your strategy of one document
for each source.  My note files are big and then I often don't know what 
notes came from wich source even though I label it on top before writing. 
Its just that when reading further down in the document I forget what source 
it is.  If its named at the top of the document maybe this will help.

I don't use Kurzweil but do have Openbook.  Is there a similar feature in 
it?  If so how do you use it?  Many database files are in PDF.

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods


> This will be brief because I am running to class in a moment. If you
> use Kurzweil, I open the articles in Adobe Reader, then print to "KESI
> Virtual Printer"--installed when you install K1000. The page numbers
> then appear at the top or bottom of the Kurzweil pages, as those are
> printed on each page of the journal. There's an option in K1000 to
> "review" or "skim" or something like that -- basically it reads the
> first sentence of each paragraph. I read the first few paragraphs of
> the article, the last few paragraphs of the article, and the first
> sentence of each paragraph. That usually tells me whether the article
> will be helpful -- if so, then I find parts that seemed of use and
> read those.
>
> I use a magnification program, not JAWS, so I am not sure about
> database accessbility.
>
> I am trying a new strategy for notes -- a new Word document for each
> source, and then later blend those together into an outline of quotes,
> paraphrases, etc. Then it's writing time!
>
> Good luck.
> Corbb
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost are pretty
>> accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them all the 
>> way
>> through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  The
>> librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I wouldn't
>> have to use readers for that.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas for
>>> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper 
>>> for
>>> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking,
>>> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging. 
>>> I
>>> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for. 
>>> Much
>>> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not
>>> accessible.  So my questions.
>>>
>>> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its
>>> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are 
>>> lots
>>> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an 
>>> article
>>> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as 
>>> wel.
>>>
>>> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it
>>> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average 
>>> from my
>>> experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't 
>>> know
>>> what I'm looking for exactly.
>>> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well?
>>> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later 
>>> what
>>> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.
>>>
>>> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play?
>>> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of
>>> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right 
>>> databases
>>> and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of as we
>>> gathered info.
>>>
>>> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and 
>>> read
>>> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but
>>> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.
>>>
>>> Any ideas are appreciated.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Thu Oct 30 17:37:33 2008
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:37:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
Message-ID: <20081030173642.ZFQA20745.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hi Ashley.  There are also pdf to word converters out there that 
are free.  I'm not sure right off the top of my head which one I 
use, but if you google it, yll get lots of results.

Hopeand Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ashley  Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:54:50 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods

>Corbb,

>I like your idea to read the first few paragraphs and last few 
paragraphs of
>the article.  I've done that with a reader.  I know jaws can go 
by paragraph
>in word as well.  I think I'll use your strategy of one document
>for each source.  My note files are big and then I often don't 
know what
>notes came from wich source even though I label it on top before 
writing.
>Its just that when reading further down in the document I forget 
what source
>it is.  If its named at the top of the document maybe this will 
help.

>I don't use Kurzweil but do have Openbook.  Is there a similar 
feature in
>it?  If so how do you use it?  Many database files are in PDF.

>Ashley

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:54 AM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods


>> This will be brief because I am running to class in a moment.  
If you
>> use Kurzweil, I open the articles in Adobe Reader, then print to 
"KESI
>> Virtual Printer"--installed when you install K1000.  The page 
numbers
>> then appear at the top or bottom of the Kurzweil pages, as those 
are
>> printed on each page of the journal.  There's an option in K1000 
to
>> "review" or "skim" or something like that -- basically it reads 
the
>> first sentence of each paragraph.  I read the first few 
paragraphs of
>> the article, the last few paragraphs of the article, and the 
first
>> sentence of each paragraph.  That usually tells me whether the 
article
>> will be helpful -- if so, then I find parts that seemed of use 
and
>> read those.

>> I use a magnification program, not JAWS, so I am not sure about
>> database accessbility.

>> I am trying a new strategy for notes -- a new Word document for 
each
>> source, and then later blend those together into an outline of 
quotes,
>> paraphrases, etc.  Then it's writing time!

>> Good luck.
>> Corbb

>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Serena 
<serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost 
are pretty
>>> accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them 
all the
>>> way
>>> through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  
The
>>> librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I 
wouldn't
>>> have to use readers for that.

>>> Serena

>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] research methods


>>>> Hi all,

>>>> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with 
ideas for
>>>> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research 
paper
>>>> for
>>>> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical 
thinking,
>>>> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite 
challenging.
>>>> I
>>>> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking 
for.
>>>> Much
>>>> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is 
not
>>>> accessible.  So my questions.

>>>> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws 
friendly?  Its
>>>> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  
There are
>>>> lots
>>>> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In 
an
>>>> article
>>>> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I 
do as
>>>> wel.

>>>> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you 
read it
>>>> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on 
average
>>>> from my
>>>> experience.  With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since 
I don't
>>>> know
>>>> what I'm looking for exactly.
>>>> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers 
as well?
>>>> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know 
later
>>>> what
>>>> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.

>>>> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did 
they play?
>>>> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles 
of
>>>> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the 
right
>>>> databases
>>>> and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of 
as we
>>>> gathered info.

>>>> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds 
great and
>>>> read
>>>> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all 
students, but
>>>> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.

>>>> Any ideas are appreciated.

>>>> Ashley


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From ltuchman1 at comcast.net  Thu Oct 30 18:45:58 2008
From: ltuchman1 at comcast.net (Lauren Tuchman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:45:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
References: <B616175178124320B60F40A1376B8135@Ashley><001d01c93a34$8bd014b0$0201a8c0@Serene><4ed9a39a0810300654m2f673a14p5a4513261ed4be9b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4F95D966D7F427E88A1C9C3A221E644@Ashley>
Message-ID: <F8CF4378EF5446DAA961F69A956169BD@laurenjts>

Hi Ashley,

I apologize if this has been mentioned already as I have not caught up on 
the entire thread. I, too, am an Open Book user. If you download version 8.0 
from the FS web site, it does have a skim feature. There is also a virtual 
printer which will convert a pdf file to an accessible text document. hth!
Lauren
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods


> Corbb,
>
> I like your idea to read the first few paragraphs and last few paragraphs 
> of the article.  I've done that with a reader.  I know jaws can go by 
> paragraph in word as well.  I think I'll use your strategy of one document
> for each source.  My note files are big and then I often don't know what 
> notes came from wich source even though I label it on top before writing. 
> Its just that when reading further down in the document I forget what 
> source it is.  If its named at the top of the document maybe this will 
> help.
>
> I don't use Kurzweil but do have Openbook.  Is there a similar feature in 
> it?  If so how do you use it?  Many database files are in PDF.
>
> Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods
>
>
>> This will be brief because I am running to class in a moment. If you
>> use Kurzweil, I open the articles in Adobe Reader, then print to "KESI
>> Virtual Printer"--installed when you install K1000. The page numbers
>> then appear at the top or bottom of the Kurzweil pages, as those are
>> printed on each page of the journal. There's an option in K1000 to
>> "review" or "skim" or something like that -- basically it reads the
>> first sentence of each paragraph. I read the first few paragraphs of
>> the article, the last few paragraphs of the article, and the first
>> sentence of each paragraph. That usually tells me whether the article
>> will be helpful -- if so, then I find parts that seemed of use and
>> read those.
>>
>> I use a magnification program, not JAWS, so I am not sure about
>> database accessbility.
>>
>> I am trying a new strategy for notes -- a new Word document for each
>> source, and then later blend those together into an outline of quotes,
>> paraphrases, etc. Then it's writing time!
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Corbb
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost are pretty
>>> accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them all the 
>>> way
>>> through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  The
>>> librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I wouldn't
>>> have to use readers for that.
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas 
>>>> for
>>>> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper 
>>>> for
>>>> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking,
>>>> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging. 
>>>> I
>>>> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for. 
>>>> Much
>>>> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not
>>>> accessible.  So my questions.
>>>>
>>>> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its
>>>> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are 
>>>> lots
>>>> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an 
>>>> article
>>>> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as 
>>>> wel.
>>>>
>>>> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it
>>>> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average 
>>>> from my
>>>> experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't 
>>>> know
>>>> what I'm looking for exactly.
>>>> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well?
>>>> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later 
>>>> what
>>>> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.
>>>>
>>>> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play?
>>>> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of
>>>> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right 
>>>> databases
>>>> and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of as we
>>>> gathered info.
>>>>
>>>> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and 
>>>> read
>>>> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but
>>>> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas are appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>>
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From connie at atechcenter.net  Thu Oct 30 19:58:20 2008
From: connie at atechcenter.net (Connie Leblond)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:58:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] November 08 on-line training seminars
Message-ID: <auto-000072180118@mailfront2.g2host.com>


Please share the following announcement with others who may be interested.



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for storage, and backup. This seminar will discuss creating and 
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discussed, as well as using Windows compressed folder view.  This 
seminar will also cover creating self extracting executable files.



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1:30 to 3:30 Pm PST

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The Victor Reader Stream is the hottest new portable reading

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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 22:59:06 2008
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:59:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
Message-ID: <490a11fa.2204be0a.2ddb.ffff8516@mx.google.com>

Ashley,
In OpenBook there is a feature call the freedom Import printer that is analogous to the virtual printer for converting PDFs in kurzweil. Basically, just pull the file up in Adobe then select to print the file and then you select freedom import printer from the list of printers and hit print. Ther is also a skim reading feature available in OpenBook, but I don't recall the exact steps for using it at the moment but just look through the menus. Hope that helps.

Dezman

-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:54 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods

Corbb,

I like your idea to read the first few paragraphs and last few paragraphs of 
the article.  I've done that with a reader.  I know jaws can go by paragraph 
in word as well.  I think I'll use your strategy of one document
for each source.  My note files are big and then I often don't know what 
notes came from wich source even though I label it on top before writing. 
Its just that when reading further down in the document I forget what source 
it is.  If its named at the top of the document maybe this will help.

I don't use Kurzweil but do have Openbook.  Is there a similar feature in 
it?  If so how do you use it?  Many database files are in PDF.

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods


> This will be brief because I am running to class in a moment. If you
> use Kurzweil, I open the articles in Adobe Reader, then print to "KESI
> Virtual Printer"--installed when you install K1000. The page numbers
> then appear at the top or bottom of the Kurzweil pages, as those are
> printed on each page of the journal. There's an option in K1000 to
> "review" or "skim" or something like that -- basically it reads the
> first sentence of each paragraph. I read the first few paragraphs of
> the article, the last few paragraphs of the article, and the first
> sentence of each paragraph. That usually tells me whether the article
> will be helpful -- if so, then I find parts that seemed of use and
> read those.
>
> I use a magnification program, not JAWS, so I am not sure about
> database accessbility.
>
> I am trying a new strategy for notes -- a new Word document for each
> source, and then later blend those together into an outline of quotes,
> paraphrases, etc. Then it's writing time!
>
> Good luck.
> Corbb
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>> I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost are pretty
>> accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them all the 
>> way
>> through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  The
>> librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I wouldn't
>> have to use readers for that.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas for
>>> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper 
>>> for
>>> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking,
>>> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging. 
>>> I
>>> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for. 
>>> Much
>>> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not
>>> accessible.  So my questions.
>>>
>>> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its
>>> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are 
>>> lots
>>> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an 
>>> article
>>> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as 
>>> wel.
>>>
>>> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it
>>> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average 
>>> from my
>>> experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't 
>>> know
>>> what I'm looking for exactly.
>>> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well?
>>> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later 
>>> what
>>> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.
>>>
>>> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play?
>>> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of
>>> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right 
>>> databases
>>> and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of as we
>>> gathered info.
>>>
>>> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and 
>>> read
>>> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but
>>> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.
>>>
>>> Any ideas are appreciated.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 30 20:25:34 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:25:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
In-Reply-To: <20081030011537.EQYC20152.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@Braille Note>
References: <20081030011537.EQYC20152.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <auto-000072186304@mailfront2.g2host.com>

We have two lists for blind teachers, pibe-division and nobe-l

You can go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo

to subscribe to one or both.  They can give you 
good advice, as many of them are doing it every day.

Dave

At 08:16 PM 10/29/2008, you wrote:
>Hi there Harry! I haven't yet student tought, 
>but I've done a number of presentations with my 
>guide dog and children.  I usually try to make a 
>joke of it.  I ask them if they have any 
>questions, and tell them not to raise their 
>hands, because if they did, we'd be here all 
>day.  I have them calmly call out (one person at 
>a time) their question.  Does an theucator's 
>listexist? If so I'd like to get info to join! I 
>have plenty of questions for blind (preferably 
>totally blind) educators.  Smile.  Since am 
>teaching Spanish, how do I use the blackboard to 
>write words? How do I go about adminstering 
>exams etc? Anwway, from anyone want! to contact 
>me off list with the info for the educators list I'd greatly appreiatex.
>Sorry to have gone off topic.
>
>Hope and Beignete
>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:30:34 -0700 (PDT)
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>
>>Hope,
>>I see no reason why you would need to ahve an aid in the room
>when teaching high school; I would think it 
>would be easy enough to tell when students 
>are/are not payin attention, whispering, passing 
>notes, etc.  And I am totally blind, so I don't 
>have a "partial vision" bias, either, if that 
>makes sense.  I've never stuent tought, or 
>anything, but it just makes sense to me.
>>
>>But here's a question, and maybe more appropriately directed to
>the educators' list, but when you say, "Does 
>anyone have any questions," whether that be to a 
>group of students, or any audience, how do you 
>get responses.  Obviously you can see them raise 
>their hands, but that's waht we're all taught to 
>do from childhoo, so what do you say?  It's 
>always a little awkward for me to explain 
>because I odn't have a quick way of explaining it, etc.  This this make sense?
>>
>>Thanks, and anyone with more experience on the eyes in the room
>thing please chime in as I am only guessing.
>>
>>Harry
>
>
>>--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
>
>>From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 6:20 PM
>
>>Hello.  I've worked with children  many occations.  I worked  at
>>Perkins School for the Blind in Watertown, Massachusetts last
>>Summer and plan to go there again after I graduate in May.  In
>>this situation, I worked with children and also teen agers with
>>multiple disabilities.  I've also worked as a counselor at a
>>daycare summer camp when in high school.  Keep in mind, I'm
>>toffally blind.  I did things differently, I usually worked with
>>a child one on one.  When I graduate, I'll work as a teacher most
>>likely.  Í'll probably have an ed tech to assist me, just  to
>>have a pair of eyes in the room but I'd be working with high
>>school students.  You'll probably have sighted people working
>>with you if you're going to work in a daycare environment.
>>You'll need to take CPR training or first aid.  This can be done,
>>I've done it several times.  I got my certification, then I had
>>to recertify.
>
>>Hope this helps.
>>Hope and Beignet
>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:08:19 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>
>>>I have worked with children.  I know some blind people in the NFB
>>have done
>>>it.  There was an elementary school teacher in Maryland but she
>>has moved
>>>away.  There are some things that you would have to do
>>differently, such as
>>>monitoring the playground.  Working with children can be hard but
>>it can be a
>>>lot of fun too.  Good luck with everything.  I hope this helps.
>>>Rachel
>>>P.S.  Are you coming to convention?
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>>Behalf Of Jess Watson
>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
>
>
>>>Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well.  I am doing great.  I
>>apologize
>>>that this information that I am about to share with you is
>>unrelated to the
>>>current topic.  I would like to inform everyone that my rehab
>>counselor and I
>>>are getting the job evaluation process started.  I have decided
>>to not worry
>>>about college for now because I want to get a job as either a
>>receptionist
>>>or in childcare.  I have done phone work in the past, and I
>>actually did
>>>pretty well at that.  However, I am wondering if any of you have
>>worked with
>>>children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a
>>blind
>>>person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me.  thank
>>you
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 22:08:44 2008
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:08:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
References: <490a11fa.2204be0a.2ddb.ffff8516@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FA006B4AE7DA48B381D174FE112C1759@Ashley>

Tell me some about the skim feature.
What chunks of text does it go through?
Is that available in Openbook 7?

Being able to skim large articles like sighted people do is a challenge. 
Over experience as a senior in college I've realized that the intro method 
and results portion are more important.

I know I have to use books for my paper so really there have to use readers.
So not all sources will be electronic.  So advice on guiding readers to info 
is needed.  So far I ask them to read headings, table of contents and look 
in the index.  For instance i had a paper on india schools for communication 
and asked my readers to look up primary schools and curriculum in the index.
Then they started reading the first page referenced.  Do you ask readers to 
skim for key terms
and let them decide to read if they see that info you're describing?

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods


> Ashley,
> In OpenBook there is a feature call the freedom Import printer that is 
> analogous to the virtual printer for converting PDFs in kurzweil. 
> Basically, just pull the file up in Adobe then select to print the file 
> and then you select freedom import printer from the list of printers and 
> hit print. Ther is also a skim reading feature available in OpenBook, but 
> I don't recall the exact steps for using it at the moment but just look 
> through the menus. Hope that helps.
>
> Dezman
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:54 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods
>
> Corbb,
>
> I like your idea to read the first few paragraphs and last few paragraphs 
> of
> the article.  I've done that with a reader.  I know jaws can go by 
> paragraph
> in word as well.  I think I'll use your strategy of one document
> for each source.  My note files are big and then I often don't know what
> notes came from wich source even though I label it on top before writing.
> Its just that when reading further down in the document I forget what 
> source
> it is.  If its named at the top of the document maybe this will help.
>
> I don't use Kurzweil but do have Openbook.  Is there a similar feature in
> it?  If so how do you use it?  Many database files are in PDF.
>
> Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research methods
>
>
>> This will be brief because I am running to class in a moment. If you
>> use Kurzweil, I open the articles in Adobe Reader, then print to "KESI
>> Virtual Printer"--installed when you install K1000. The page numbers
>> then appear at the top or bottom of the Kurzweil pages, as those are
>> printed on each page of the journal. There's an option in K1000 to
>> "review" or "skim" or something like that -- basically it reads the
>> first sentence of each paragraph. I read the first few paragraphs of
>> the article, the last few paragraphs of the article, and the first
>> sentence of each paragraph. That usually tells me whether the article
>> will be helpful -- if so, then I find parts that seemed of use and
>> read those.
>>
>> I use a magnification program, not JAWS, so I am not sure about
>> database accessbility.
>>
>> I am trying a new strategy for notes -- a new Word document for each
>> source, and then later blend those together into an outline of quotes,
>> paraphrases, etc. Then it's writing time!
>>
>> Good luck.
>> Corbb
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> I used the library data bases.  Proquest Direct and Ebscohost are pretty
>>> accessible.  If the articles were relatively short, I read them all the
>>> way
>>> through with Jaws, but if they were really long, I used readers.  The
>>> librarians often helped me find books.  That often helped, so I wouldn't
>>> have to use readers for that.
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett"
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:14 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] research methods
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted some more ideas on this.  Then I'll have a sheet with ideas 
>>>> for
>>>> myself and others wo ask me.  I am about to begin a big research paper
>>>> for
>>>> my senior class.  All seniors do this to demonstrate critical thinking,
>>>> organization and writing skills.  Research has been quite challenging.
>>>> I
>>>> use readers a lot but its hard to communicate what I am looking for.
>>>> Much
>>>> research is at the library and books and some other matterial is not
>>>> accessible.  So my questions.
>>>>
>>>> Do you use your school's databases?  What ones are jaws friendly?  Its
>>>> been my experience that databases are not very accessible.  There are
>>>> lots
>>>> of boxes and info before jaws reads the titles of articles.  In an
>>>> article
>>>> I'm sure you read the abstract first to determine relevance.  I do as
>>>> wel.
>>>>
>>>> How do you skim the article for relevant info?  Or perhaps you read it
>>>> all?  Scholarly articles are big, about twenty pages long on average
>>>> from my
>>>> experience. With jaws or a reader, skipping info is hard since I don't
>>>> know
>>>> what I'm looking for exactly.
>>>> How do you cite pages?  Does someone read you the page numbers as well?
>>>> This has been problematic for me.  I write notes but don't know later
>>>> what
>>>> page it was on and cannot skim the article for that info.
>>>>
>>>> Have you used the librarians for help?  If so, what role did they play?
>>>> Did you ask them to search for you and they read you the titles of
>>>> articles/books?  I have used them and they pointed me to the right
>>>> databases
>>>> and card catalog for books but also served as a reader sort of as we
>>>> gathered info.
>>>>
>>>> I find research frustrating when you think something sounds great and
>>>> read
>>>> it but then its not so good.  I think this happens to all students, but
>>>> since it takes longer for us its more frustrating.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas are appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 04:27:54 2008
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:27:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation
In-Reply-To: <006401c939d3$1c653fd0$cbd4fea9@Jess>
Message-ID: <60FC7D5A22424AD5A62C6E801F279D95@MonkeyPaw>

Jess,

I spent a year tutoring in an after school program as part of my AmeriCorps
assignment in DC.  My experience in no way resembles official classroom
teaching, but the assignment gave me more than basic training in dealing
with younger children.  I yelled at them, laughed with them, and although
the first two times I broke up fights everyone came out alright, the third
time one of the boys did come up holding a knife to me.  Sadly, this one
never came back to us after that fateful day.

The short answer to your question is that blind people are more than capable
of working with children.  There are plenty of alternative techniques one
can use to convey your lessons in a way that is accessible to you and
instructional for them.  For math lessons I used wiki sticks, wooden blocks
and anything else lying around that could help me help them understand the
concept in an entertaining manner.  I used Crayons to draw tactile lines on
paper.  I bought raised-line grid paper so that I could use rubber bands to
link up thumb tacks to show graphs against cardboard supports.  For these
sighted kids the methods were foreign, but the sheer absurdity of some of my
methods were unique enough to get them interested.

I coordinated twelve students between third to sixth grade.  I had three
assistants, but I asserted my authority early on to make it clear that I was
in charge and not to be overlooked when it came to help Jimmy do his
reading.  The best way I found to achieve this was to strike a creative
balance with my kids.  I got to know them as people before I felt
comfortable to work with them as students.  We talked about their day in
school, what teachers were good, what teachers really sucked, what they were
planning on doing with their weekends.  I understood that for them it was
important to get past the blindness thing before they could trust me as a
competent tutor.  In the end, you would be surprised at how much kids will
teach you more than the other way around.  Your peers may have questions of
their own as to how you'll be able to coordinate certain projects, but if
you can win the kids over, your job is almost done.

You'll figure out the accommodations as the projects come up.  Treat them
all well and equally, but never feel as if you can't make a few special
friends who can act as snitches for you.  How else do you think I handled
playground time after the homework was finished?  My little network of
informants helped me keep a decent handle on things.  You'll have the
occasional day when you'll wonder whether or not you're doing a good job.
Keep at it.  Kids are some of the most fulfilling people you'll ever have
the pleasure of working for.  Make no mistake.  At the end of it all, it is
they who are really in charge.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jess Watson
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:32 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] job evaluation

Hi everyone, I hope everyone is doing well. I am doing great. I apologize
that this information that I am about to share with you is unrelated to the
current topic. I would like to inform everyone that my rehab counselor and I
are getting the job evaluation process started. I have decided to not worry
about college for now because I want to get a job as either a receptionist
or in childcare. I have done phone work in the past, and I actually did
pretty well at that. However, I am wondering if any of you have worked with
children in any way, and if that would be a realistic job for a blind
person? I would appreciate any opinions you can give me. thank you
_______________________________________________
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 18:43:42 2008
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:43:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
Message-ID: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>

Hello, nabsters,
The Alabama  Association of Blind Students is in the process of compiling a list of guidelines or tips regarding serving blind students. Specifically, we would like information on what accommodations may or may not be appropriate and what tasks the student should be expected to handle on their own. I know that a lot of us have much experience with this type of thing so if you would be so kind please post your thoughts. Our plan is to start compiling these tips at the end of November.

Thanks,
Dezman

From passionflower505 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 31 17:02:49 2008
From: passionflower505 at yahoo.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:02:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare question
Message-ID: <223576.13620.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hey
My subscription to bookshare is finally complete, and so i want to start downloading books. I downloaded the victor reader software that they have available on the site, but i read there that you could either use that or just read the books with your screen reader. I would personally like to read the books with jaws, but i do not know how to do this. Is there a separate download if you want to use your screen reader?
Cindy


      


From jrhoads284 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 17:07:54 2008
From: jrhoads284 at gmail.com (Jamie Rhoads)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:07:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare question
References: <223576.13620.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A083D28C6B9643138E1BA8CD75638047@rhoads>

you need to download the bookshare unpack utility.  Then when you run that, 
it will put your book in a few different formats but one of them is an HTML 
format you can read with jaws. Another suggestion is to use kurzweil to read 
them.  That's what I do or put it on my braille note.  Hope this helps.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Bennett" <passionflower505 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Asociation of Blind Students" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:02 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare question


> Hey
> My subscription to bookshare is finally complete, and so i want to start 
> downloading books. I downloaded the victor reader software that they have 
> available on the site, but i read there that you could either use that or 
> just read the books with your screen reader. I would personally like to 
> read the books with jaws, but i do not know how to do this. Is there a 
> separate download if you want to use your screen reader?
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
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From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Fri Oct 31 17:36:27 2008
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:36:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizations express outrage over republican disability
	policy
Message-ID: <010801c93b7f$345b3dd0$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>

Hi all,



Just received this press release, and am providing it for your information, as you look to be informed to vote in the 2008 election.



Antonio Guimaraes



ADAWatch.org
National Coalition for Disability Rights 
1701 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 300
Washington, DC 20006
202-448-9928 - info at ncdr.org


NEWS RELEASE 

October 31, 2008

 

Disability Rights Organizations Express Outrage Over Attacks at McCain-Palin Rally 

 

Contacts:    

Jim Ward, Founder and President

202-415-4753 or jward at ncdr.org

                                                                                  

Marcie Roth, Executive Director

301-717-7447 or mroth at ncdr.org

 

(Washington, DC) The National Coalition for Disability Rights (NCDR) pushed back today against the McCain-Palin campaign for ridiculing the legal rights of people with disabilities. News reports describe McCain-Palin campaign representative Senator Kit Bond (R-Mo), joining Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin at a rally in Rush Limbaugh's hometown of Cape Girardeau, Missouri, mocking Presidential candidate Senator Barak Obama for stating that he's looking to nominate judges who empathize with "the disabled."

 

"It's Halloween and it seems that Sarah Palin's mask of support for people with "special needs" is slipping. Despite past pandering to people with disabilities, McCain-Palin are actually opposed to vital disability legislation like the Community Choice Act and they want to appoint judges who will further roll back the civil rights protections of the Americans with Disabilities Act," declared NCDR's founder and president, Jim Ward.  

 

NPR's Nina Totenberg has reported that McCain-Palin's and conservatives' "most oft-mentioned prospects" for nomination to the Supreme Court include Ohio Judge Jeffrey Sutton. Sutton was opposed by hundreds of disability organizations when he was nominated by President Bush after successfully weakening the ADA with states' rights arguments. As a sitting judge, he has recently supported the execution of criminals with developmental disabilities and has undermined the Help America Vote Act(HAVA).  

 

Disability rights advocates are further incensed that the McCain-Palin campaign has reframed this civil rights struggle, one founded in concepts of equality, dignity and self-respect, as an issue of "special needs." 

 

Disability rights advocate, Steve Gold states, "Yes we need support services. Yes we need inclusive education. Yes we need integrated employment. Yes we need equal rights. This not "special". These needs are based on us, people with disabilities, equal members of our communities. We are not inspirational nor are we "special". We are PROUD PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES who should push back when anyone describes us as anything but equal members of our communities."

   
The National Coalition for Disability Rights is a nonpartisan nonprofit that does not endorse political candidates.  We are a coalition of national, state and local disability, civil rights and social justice organizations united to protect and promote the human rights of children and adults with physical and mental disabilities.   



From mohnked at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 31 19:13:27 2008
From: mohnked at hotmail.com (Diana Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:13:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030810282027p256fede0l621f6a65f3af81b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030810281710s5acc002eqa1b5d2e97ac7074e@mail.gmail.com>
	<820152.22776.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 
	<b6b933030810282027p256fede0l621f6a65f3af81b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY116-W3E6875F5EFD43A42C9BFAA1200@phx.gbl>


 
I may be responding to this late, but I thought I would share my comments in working with Power Point.  What I first do is send the power point presentation to word as an outline.  This can be done by going to the send to under file and then selecting Microsoft Word and then making sure outline is selected.  Sometimes I notice that there may be some information missing from the outline so then I go through the power presentation looking for any missed information.  I have power point in normal view and press control+shift+o which displays all the headings of each object on a slide.  You then select the object you want to view and then click enter again so that it can be read by JAWS.  After reviewing a particular object simply press the escape button.  If your teacher has provided notes on a particular slide, first view the presentation in normal view  and then press F6 until you hear notes page pane.  Then you can hear any notes from your teacher if they provide any for a particular slide.  This is an alternative to reading the slides from the slide show view. 
 
Diana Mohnke 
 

> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:27:12 +1100> From: arielle71 at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,> > Hi all,> > The reason I suggested RTF is because I don't think you can move by> character or word in the slide show viewer. Correct me if I'm wrong?> Also sometimes JAWS gets tripped up on a picture or graphic and it's> hard to move to the rest of the text.> Yes, JAWS works well for creating presentations and the> context-sensitive help is also very good. If you want to learn how> PowerPoint slides are laid out and how to navigate before starting to> build your own presentation, I'd recommend finding someone else's> presentation to read as an example and hitting insert-F1 in each slide> to hear the context-sensitive information about where you are, how to> get from one object to another, etc. That's how I learned to use it.> The only thing I really need sighted help for is if I am selecting> pictures or putting multiple pictures in one slide (to make sure they> don't go on top of each other, are both visible, etc.)> > Arielle> > On 10/29/08, Harry Hogue <harryhogue at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Thanks for your help, Arielle! I'll do that!> > Did you say JAWS works for creating slideshows? I'll have to do that for a> > final project in one of my classes this semester, so that's good to know.> >> > Thanks!> >> > Harry> >> >> > --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help with PowerPoint everyone,> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 7:10 PM> >> > Hi Harry,> >> > If you want to do detailed review of a slide's text the easiest thing> > to do is to save the presentation as an RTF (outline) file and then> > open it in MS-Word. Open the PowerPoint, go to File, Save As, and> > under "Save as Type" select "Outline/RTF" (or something> > along those> > lines). Name the file and open it in Word. This is also handy if you> > need to review lecture notes written in PowerPoint in more detail.> >> > In my experience JFW is OK for creating PowerPoint presentations but> > not so great for reviewing them.> >> > Arielle> >> > On 10/29/08, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:> >> First you should be talking to them, not us, secondly sometimes it> >> helps to press F5 before reviewing slides.> >>> >> Dave> >>> >> At 09:45 PM 10/27/2008, you wrote:> >>>> >>>Call for help here! Freedom Scientific goes on and on about how> >>>useable Powerpoint is with JAWS... well I need to see it! I have> >>>powerpoints that my French teacher has been sending me, and I need> >>>to be able to review the lsides in detail -- character-by-character,> >>>wor-by-word, etc... because they're mostly in French... and also I> >>>have a Braille display so having them so I could review them with> >>>the Braille display would be the ideal thing. Not too much to ask,> >>>I odn't think. I have tried insert A, but all that does is read> > the> >>>slide... not let me review it in detail like I need to... an if you> >>>can't do that, then Freedom Scientific is seriously missing the> >>>mark, since sighted people have that option. I rest my case. I'll> >>>complain about FS another day.> >>>> >>>I can send anyone the powerpoint that I'm working with if they want> >>>to give it a whirl for themselves.> >>>Thanks for the help, guys.> >>>> >>>Harry> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________> >>>nabs-l mailing list> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> >>> nabs-l:> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com> >>>> >>>> >>>No virus found in this incoming message.> >>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> >>>Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date:> >>>10/28/2008 10:04 AM> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> nabs-l mailing list> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> >> nabs-l:> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> > nabs-l mailing list> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > nabs-l:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/harryhogue%40yahoo.com> > _______________________________________________> > nabs-l mailing list> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> > nabs-l:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com> >> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mohnked%40hotmail.com
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From k7uij at panix.com  Fri Oct 31 19:41:37 2008
From: k7uij at panix.com (Mike Freeman)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:41:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
In-Reply-To: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>
References: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20081031194137.k7uij@panix.com>

Methinks DSS offices should petition colleges and universities to abolish themselves (the ofices, that is). <grin>

Mike

#- Original Message #-
From: Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: 2008/10/31 15:53:50
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices

>
>
> Hello, nabsters,
> The Alabama Association of Blind Students is in the process of compiling a list of guidelines or tips regarding serving blind students. Specifically, we would like information on what accommodations may or may not be appropriate and what tasks the student should be expected to handle on their own. I know that a lot of us have much experience with this type of thing so if you would be so kind please post your thoughts. Our plan is to start compiling these tips at the end of November.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dezman
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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 19:41:27 2008
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:41:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Teen Blog!
Message-ID: <490b5f6c.47c2f10a.6d9c.ffffa30d@mx.google.com>


Greetings All,

It is my pleasure to announce a new place for teens to hang out, network,
and get great information in a safe, facilitated environment-not hindered in
the least by geography or time warps or unduly by parents or teachers!
Thanks goes to Rosy Carranza for all her hard work and enthusiasm in getting
this project dreamed and realized. Tell any teen you know!


Attention blind and visually impaired high school students! 

Blindness 4 1 1 was created by the National Federation of the Blind to
give you a place to meet other teens with vision loss and to give you a
chance to learn about resources that can help you in school, at home and
in your community.

The NFB is the largest blindness organization in the United States. We
have over 50,000 members who work hard to make a difference in the lives
of blind people. We are excited to provide this resource to you and hope
that you will tell your friends about us! 

If you are currently a Facebook member, go to groups, search for the
group using our group name and request access to our group. If you are
not signed up for Facebook then join in on the fun! Visit
www.facebook.com to get connected with our NFB teen group.

If you have any questions, call Rosy Carranza at 410 659-9314, ext. 2283
or email her at rcarranza at nfb.org.

   
Happy Connecting!
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
Carrie.gilmer at gmail.com




From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 20:07:18 2008
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:07:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
In-Reply-To: <20081031194137.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <490b657a.47c2f10a.6d9c.ffffa5f2@mx.google.com>

I would like the attitudes of DSS abolished, k-12 kids educated and raised
to be ready to meet the expectations of higher ed and gain access
independently. In the meanwhile, how about changing the name to OFFS;
Office For Facilitation of accesS, smile. 

 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:42 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices

Methinks DSS offices should petition colleges and universities to abolish
themselves (the ofices, that is). <grin>

Mike

#- Original Message #-
From: Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: 2008/10/31 15:53:50
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices

>
>
> Hello, nabsters,
> The Alabama Association of Blind Students is in the process of compiling a
list of guidelines or tips regarding serving blind students. Specifically,
we would like information on what accommodations may or may not be
appropriate and what tasks the student should be expected to handle on their
own. I know that a lot of us have much experience with this type of thing so
if you would be so kind please post your thoughts. Our plan is to start
compiling these tips at the end of November.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dezman
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 20:09:49 2008
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:09:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
References: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>
	<20081031194137.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <082f01c93b94$a1b6f350$88d8fe45@Dezman>

LOL, thanks Mike. I'll put it down.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices


> Methinks DSS offices should petition colleges and universities to abolish 
> themselves (the ofices, that is). <grin>
>
> Mike
>
> #- Original Message #-
> From: Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: 2008/10/31 15:53:50
> Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
>
>>
>>
>> Hello, nabsters,
>> The Alabama Association of Blind Students is in the process of compiling 
>> a list of guidelines or tips regarding serving blind students. 
>> Specifically, we would like information on what accommodations may or may 
>> not be appropriate and what tasks the student should be expected to 
>> handle on their own. I know that a lot of us have much experience with 
>> this type of thing so if you would be so kind please post your thoughts. 
>> Our plan is to start compiling these tips at the end of November.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dezman
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
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>
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From sarah at growingstrong.org  Fri Oct 31 21:02:42 2008
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:02:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
References: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>
	<20081031194137.k7uij@panix.com>
Message-ID: <010601c93b9c$0527ef50$6501a8c0@SBLAPTOP>

Students should have the option to use or not use services. My greatest 
complaint about many DSS offices is that they strip power from able students 
by requiring them to use official reader lists and other accommodations. 
Professors are allowed to refuse to accommodate students with obvious 
disabilities who have not registered with the DSS office.

I understand that all students do not have the same degree of self-advocacy 
ability and in fact that some students come to college with multiple 
disabilities that can make their needs very challenging. However, the DSS 
offices need to make it possible for these students to obtain the assistance 
they need without forcing the assistance on people who prefer to do things 
in other ways.

Sarah J. Blake
http://www.growingstrong.org
sjblake at growingstrong.org 


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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 21:44:47 2008
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:44:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
In-Reply-To: <010601c93b9c$0527ef50$6501a8c0@SBLAPTOP>
References: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>
	<20081031194137.k7uij@panix.com>
	<010601c93b9c$0527ef50$6501a8c0@SBLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20810311444s542e08lb5ede30b071dd52a@mail.gmail.com>

Sara,

You make a good point about other people with other disabilities.
Even those of us who may have, say another physical impairment besides
blindness should still have the option to make our own accommodations.
 We may find better readers than those on the official reading list,
or find other formats in which to recieve our books.  I think that
offten, people who have multiple disabilities are considered even less
competent and able to provide for our needs by these offices than
those with only one, when, in reality, we very well may only need
minimal assistance from said office.
Courtney

On 10/31/08, Sarah J. Blake <sarah at growingstrong.org> wrote:
> Students should have the option to use or not use services. My greatest
> complaint about many DSS offices is that they strip power from able students
> by requiring them to use official reader lists and other accommodations.
> Professors are allowed to refuse to accommodate students with obvious
> disabilities who have not registered with the DSS office.
>
> I understand that all students do not have the same degree of self-advocacy
> ability and in fact that some students come to college with multiple
> disabilities that can make their needs very challenging. However, the DSS
> offices need to make it possible for these students to obtain the assistance
> they need without forcing the assistance on people who prefer to do things
> in other ways.
>
> Sarah J. Blake
> http://www.growingstrong.org
> sjblake at growingstrong.org
>
>
> I'm protected by SpamBrave
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 21:56:27 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:56:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Organizations express outrage over republican
	disability policy
In-Reply-To: <010801c93b7f$345b3dd0$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>
References: <010801c93b7f$345b3dd0$3c64a8c0@nbp2.local>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810311456v6cccc842sb98df0ca81b5b257@mail.gmail.com>

Geez, why execute criminals with developmental disabilities?  Why?
And please, somebody tell me why McCain and Palin are acting the way
they do.  It's bad enough that Palin is against the LGBT community,
but against people with disabilities?  I knew this was going to
happen.  I don't know if I'm psychic, but I just know it's going to
happen.
Beth

On 10/31/08, Antonio Guimaraes <aguimaraes at nbp.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just received this press release, and am providing it for your information,
> as you look to be informed to vote in the 2008 election.
>
>
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
>
>
> ADAWatch.org
> National Coalition for Disability Rights
> 1701 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20006
> 202-448-9928 - info at ncdr.org
>
>
> NEWS RELEASE
>
> October 31, 2008
>
>
>
> Disability Rights Organizations Express Outrage Over Attacks at McCain-Palin
> Rally
>
>
>
> Contacts:
>
> Jim Ward, Founder and President
>
> 202-415-4753 or jward at ncdr.org
>
>
>
> Marcie Roth, Executive Director
>
> 301-717-7447 or mroth at ncdr.org
>
>
>
> (Washington, DC) The National Coalition for Disability Rights (NCDR) pushed
> back today against the McCain-Palin campaign for ridiculing the legal rights
> of people with disabilities. News reports describe McCain-Palin campaign
> representative Senator Kit Bond (R-Mo), joining Vice Presidential candidate
> Sarah Palin at a rally in Rush Limbaugh's hometown of Cape Girardeau,
> Missouri, mocking Presidential candidate Senator Barak Obama for stating
> that he's looking to nominate judges who empathize with "the disabled."
>
>
>
> "It's Halloween and it seems that Sarah Palin's mask of support for people
> with "special needs" is slipping. Despite past pandering to people with
> disabilities, McCain-Palin are actually opposed to vital disability
> legislation like the Community Choice Act and they want to appoint judges
> who will further roll back the civil rights protections of the Americans
> with Disabilities Act," declared NCDR's founder and president, Jim Ward.
>
>
>
> NPR's Nina Totenberg has reported that McCain-Palin's and conservatives'
> "most oft-mentioned prospects" for nomination to the Supreme Court include
> Ohio Judge Jeffrey Sutton. Sutton was opposed by hundreds of disability
> organizations when he was nominated by President Bush after successfully
> weakening the ADA with states' rights arguments. As a sitting judge, he has
> recently supported the execution of criminals with developmental
> disabilities and has undermined the Help America Vote Act(HAVA).
>
>
>
> Disability rights advocates are further incensed that the McCain-Palin
> campaign has reframed this civil rights struggle, one founded in concepts of
> equality, dignity and self-respect, as an issue of "special needs."
>
>
>
> Disability rights advocate, Steve Gold states, "Yes we need support
> services. Yes we need inclusive education. Yes we need integrated
> employment. Yes we need equal rights. This not "special". These needs are
> based on us, people with disabilities, equal members of our communities. We
> are not inspirational nor are we "special". We are PROUD PEOPLE WITH
> DISABILITIES who should push back when anyone describes us as anything but
> equal members of our communities."
>
>
> The National Coalition for Disability Rights is a nonpartisan nonprofit that
> does not endorse political candidates.  We are a coalition of national,
> state and local disability, civil rights and social justice organizations
> united to protect and promote the human rights of children and adults with
> physical and mental disabilities.
>
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 21:59:35 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:59:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for DSS offices
In-Reply-To: <010601c93b9c$0527ef50$6501a8c0@SBLAPTOP>
References: <490b2799.4403be0a.7ddc.10a8@mx.google.com>
	<20081031194137.k7uij@panix.com>
	<010601c93b9c$0527ef50$6501a8c0@SBLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810311459m5d3ed12bw46ae9f271dad9c5a@mail.gmail.com>

I would like DSS offices to be as cool as the one here at FSU.  They
work closely with people with disabilities, but the thing about this
office is that they don't have enough funding to do what they should
for the blind.  I have nothing against DSS offices, but I can see
where some of you are going.
Beth

On 10/31/08, Sarah J. Blake <sarah at growingstrong.org> wrote:
> Students should have the option to use or not use services. My greatest
> complaint about many DSS offices is that they strip power from able students
> by requiring them to use official reader lists and other accommodations.
> Professors are allowed to refuse to accommodate students with obvious
> disabilities who have not registered with the DSS office.
>
> I understand that all students do not have the same degree of self-advocacy
> ability and in fact that some students come to college with multiple
> disabilities that can make their needs very challenging. However, the DSS
> offices need to make it possible for these students to obtain the assistance
> they need without forcing the assistance on people who prefer to do things
> in other ways.
>
> Sarah J. Blake
> http://www.growingstrong.org
> sjblake at growingstrong.org
>
>
> I'm protected by SpamBrave
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 22:03:19 2008
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:03:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teen Blog!
In-Reply-To: <490b5f6c.47c2f10a.6d9c.ffffa30d@mx.google.com>
References: <490b5f6c.47c2f10a.6d9c.ffffa30d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0810311503rc0fb12ek1e86ec1d9d2e9ecb@mail.gmail.com>

That's cool!  Now teenagers who are blind can connect like I didn't
get to when I was a teenager.  Before this list popped into my life, I
didn't have any blind people to write to or talk to.
Beth

On 10/31/08, Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greetings All,
>
> It is my pleasure to announce a new place for teens to hang out, network,
> and get great information in a safe, facilitated environment-not hindered in
> the least by geography or time warps or unduly by parents or teachers!
> Thanks goes to Rosy Carranza for all her hard work and enthusiasm in getting
> this project dreamed and realized. Tell any teen you know!
>
>
> Attention blind and visually impaired high school students!
>
> Blindness 4 1 1 was created by the National Federation of the Blind to
> give you a place to meet other teens with vision loss and to give you a
> chance to learn about resources that can help you in school, at home and
> in your community.
>
> The NFB is the largest blindness organization in the United States. We
> have over 50,000 members who work hard to make a difference in the lives
> of blind people. We are excited to provide this resource to you and hope
> that you will tell your friends about us!
>
> If you are currently a Facebook member, go to groups, search for the
> group using our group name and request access to our group. If you are
> not signed up for Facebook then join in on the fun! Visit
> www.facebook.com to get connected with our NFB teen group.
>
> If you have any questions, call Rosy Carranza at 410 659-9314, ext. 2283
> or email her at rcarranza at nfb.org.
>
>
> Happy Connecting!
> Carrie Gilmer, President
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> Carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 22:13:30 2008
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:13:30 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] College Readiness Tips
Message-ID: <b6b933030810311513x3521030bmd825f24279afbd92@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe and all,

Since a lot of the questions that blind high school students (and
their parents and teachers) ask concern the skills that students
should master before starting college, I think we may want to include
some guidelines in  the high school tips part of the Web site
describing what blindness skills are most essential for success in
college and the goals that high school students should be held to in
their blindness training. Here are my  suggestions for both "minimal"
and "ideal" levels in each blindness skill area that I think high
school students should strive for when preparing for college. This is
just my opinion, though, so I welcome contributions or corrections
from any of you. We can either try to incorporate this into the top
ten list or set up a separate page dealing with this issue.

Braille:
Minimally, students should be able to take notes reliably either in
hard-copy (paper) Braille or using a Braille notetaker, and be able to
read the notes back later to use for studying.
Ideally: Students should be proficient enough in Braille to be able to
read a speech aloud in a class presentation.

Computers:
Minimally: Students should be able to use JAWS (or its equivalent)
with basic word-processing, email and Internet programs.
Ideally: Students should be able to use spreadsheet (i.e. Excel),
PowerPoint programs (or their equivalents) and learn new programs on
their own whenever possible.

Travel:
Minimally: Students should be able to get around their high school
campus independently and efficiently (without being late, leaving
class early, etc.) They should also be able to learn basic routes
between their college classrooms and have some familiarity with public
transportation systems in their hometown.
Ideally: Students should be able to use appropriate techniques to
orient themselves to a new campus or find new buildings on a campus
they already know, as well as learn the layout of a new city and be
able to travel to new places in the city in an efficient manner.

Home Management/Daily Living:
Minimally: Students should  be able to prepare a simple meal for
themselves, do their own laundry, and shop with customer service (for
groceries etc.)
Ideally: Students should be able to prepare a romantic five-course
meal for their significant other, and magically make their residence
spotless the day after a party, at least when Mom and Dad are coming
to visit!

OK, so the last one is a bit of a stretch for many college freshmen
(blind and sighted alike), but you get the idea!

What does everyone think?
Arielle


From JFreeh at nfb.org  Fri Oct 31 23:29:24 2008
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:29:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Settlement with Authors,
 Publishers Will Have Positive  Results for the Blind
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           FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:
Chris Danielsen

Public Relations Specialist

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330
(410) 262-1281 (cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org



Google Settlement with Authors, Publishers
Will Have Positive Results for the Blind





Terms of Proposed Settlement Agreement
Will Revolutionize Blind People's Access to Books

Baltimore, Maryland (October 31, 2008): The National Federation of 
the Blind, the nation's leading advocate for access to information by 
the blind, announced today that the recent settlement between Google 
and authors and publishers over the Google Books project, if approved 
by the courts, will have a profound and positive impact on the 
ability of blind people to access the printed word.  The terms of the 
settlement that was reached on October 28, among Google, the Authors 
Guild, and the Association of American Publishers, on behalf of a 
broad class of authors and publishers, allow Google to provide the 
material it offers users "in a manner that accommodates users with 
print disabilities so that such users have a substantially similar 
user experience as users without print disabilities."  A user with a 
print disability under the agreement is one who is "unable to read or 
use standard printed material due to blindness, visual disability, 
physical limitations, organic dysfunction, or dyslexia."  Blind 
people, like other members of the public, will be able to search the 
texts of books in the Google Books database online; purchase some 
books in an accessible format; or access accessible books at 
libraries and other entities that have an institutional subscription 
to the Google Books database.  Once the court approves the 
settlement, Google will work to launch these services as quickly as possible.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "Access to the printed word has historically been one of the 
greatest challenges faced by the blind.  The agreement between Google 
and authors and publishers will revolutionize access to books for 
blind Americans.



Blind people will be able to search for books through the Google 
Books interface and purchase, borrow, or read at a public library any 
of the books that are available to the general public in a format 
that is compatible with text enlargement software, text-to-speech 
screen access software, and refreshable Braille devices.  With 7 
million books already available in the Google Books collection and 
many more to come, this agreement means that blind people will have 
more access to print books than we have ever had in human 
history.  The blind, just like the sighted, will have a world of 
education, information, and entertainment literally at our 
fingertips.  The National Federation of the Blind commends the 
parties to this agreement for their commitment to full and equal 
access to information by the blind."



"Among the most monumental aspects of the settlement agreement," said 
Jack Bernard, assistant general counsel at the University of 
Michigan, "are the terms that enable Google and libraries to make 
works accessible to people who have print disabilities.  This 
unprecedented opportunity to access the printed word will make it 
possible for blind people to engage independently with our rich 
written culture.  Moreover, it is refreshing to find accessibility 
for people with disabilities explicitly included upfront, rather than 
begrudgingly added as an afterthought."



  "One of the great promises of the settlement agreement is improving 
access to books for the blind and for those with print disabilities," 
said Dan Clancy, engineering director for Google Book 
Search.  "Google is committed to extending all of the services 
available under the agreement to the blind and print disability 
community, making it easier to access these books through screen 
enlargement, reader, and Braille display technologies."



###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.  Please visit our 
Web site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.



From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Oct 31 23:39:04 2008
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:39:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] bookshare question
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You will also need to download Bookshare's "unpack tool."  Install 
it, and it will unpack Bookshare books, extracting the files, 
decrypting them etc.  It will ask you if you want to save a html 
version of the book, answer yes, and this is the version you will 
read with your screen reader and internet browser.

Dave

At 12:02 PM 10/31/2008, you wrote:
>Hey
>My subscription to bookshare is finally complete, and so i want to 
>start downloading books. I downloaded the victor reader software 
>that they have available on the site, but i read there that you 
>could either use that or just read the books with your screen 
>reader. I would personally like to read the books with jaws, but i 
>do not know how to do this. Is there a separate download if you want 
>to use your screen reader?
>Cindy
>
>
>
>
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