[nabs-l] A common-since legislative idea

Wed Apr 1 01:18:24 UTC 2009

i love this topic, in fact a few of my friends and i were talking about it a
while back. I am consider blind and i can drive if i choose to, i dont drive
for many reasons but i am. When i went to talk to the people about driving
they told me because i have to drive with a lens, i woulnt be able to drive
at night which for me means i cant drive much in the winter, im fine that,
with training with the lens, i will be a fine driver someday, but right now
i dont feel like i can trust myself because i havnt had a lot of training,
Being able to drive is a big thing for me because i feel like i need the
freedom. Not everyones case is the same and i agree if your consider blind
and driving then you should have to pass a trest every year, im fine with
that. thats just how i feel and know some of my friends dont feel the same

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>wrote:

> People usually do ask for a drivers license rather than an ID, but they
> *ALWAYS* mean an ID. "Drivers license" is just the thing said out of habit
> because *MOST* individuals are sighted and use their license as their ID. I
> have never once encountered a situation where a state ID wasn't as readily
> accepted as a drivers license when ID was needed, even if "drivers license"
> was the term used, nor have I met anyone who has expressed difficulty with
> this. I'm not sure I understand the problem. If you are classified as
> legally blind, there is obviously a reason for it, and even if you could
> "sneak by" an eye test at the DMV, you shouldn't *have* to sneak by at all.
> You shouldn't be on the road. Just get a state ID. I have a friend right
> now
> who is a high partial, but he is most definitely legally blind and it shows
> in day to day activities. He is convinced he can drive though and has even
> gone as far as buying a vehicle. He fully intends to "sneak by" on the
> vision test, or possibly even listen to the person before him and memorize
> the letters on the chart. I think he's a fool if he does this. Regardless
> of
> how high a partial you are, if you are labeled as legally blind and your
> vision is less than what is required to get a license, you *SHOULD NOT HAVE
> A LICENSE*.
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Blind people should have some form of ID, and the problem I have with
> > the surrender of a driver's license is this: everyone asks for a
> > "driver's license."  Not necessarily a Florida Identification Card.
> > It has a number and that on it like a license, but stll not a license.
> > Beth
>  >
> > On 3/31/09, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > anybody who is blind should not be driving.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/31/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I have had a few friends that are legally blind, but were not in a
> > >> position
> > >> of degenerative eye sight. Of course they were of the large print
> > >> category,
> > >> but never the less unattractive glasses and additional equipment as
> they
> > >> would put it.
> > >>
> > >> My only issue with this is that it is yet another thing based on
> > >> generalizations. I understand the point, but I thin that statements
> like
> > >> these am what corner us into our own issues. We are easily caught up
> > into
> > >> what works for one or a few, and forget that blindness is just as
> > >> individualized as personality. I am completely for the safety of
> others,
> > >> but
> > >> even when it comes to elderly people and their driver's license,
> perhaps
> > >> it
> > >> would be more appropriate to have them do something more than a
> written
> > >> test
> > >> and a brief eye exam.
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately, there is no expectation to even have driver's education
> > in
> > >> Georgia, so in my opinion the established safety nets are the true
> issue
> > >> not
> > >> more policies.
> > >>
> > >> Mandarino
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> > >> Behalf
> > >> of Jim Reed
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:02 PM
> > >> To: MAB List
> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] a common-sence legislative idea
> > >>
> > >> Hey all,
> > >> The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me
> > preface
> > >> it
> > >> with some personal background to set the context:
> > >> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> > >> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> > >> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I
> > did
> > >> not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was
> injury-free,
> > >> but
> > >> could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
> > >>
> > >> That said, my idea:
> > >> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which
> > they
> > >> qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must
> > >> permanatly surrender their drivers license.
> > >>
> > >> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
> > >>
> > >> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential
> > services,
> > >> it
> > >> does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and,
> if
> > a
> > >> person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of
> > >> society
> > >> or it's government.
> > >>
> > >> And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would
> say
> > >> blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
> > >>
> > >> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is
> > >> truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as
> > >> negitive.
> > >>
> > >> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most
> > >> inclined
> > >> to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here
> > is
> > >> saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or
> legal
> > >> troubles.
> > >>
> > >> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even
> one
> > >> life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
> > >>
> > >> Thoughts?
> > >> Jim
> > >>
> > >> "Ability is of little account without opportunity."
> > >>
> > >>       |
> > >>           -Napoleon Bonaparte
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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