[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 30, Issue 17 accomodations letter to professors
Bridgit Pollpeter
bpollpeter at hotmail.com
Fri Apr 17 19:51:43 UTC 2009
I do not believe that any student with a disability need make disclosures to their professors beforehand. A student with a disability knows what works and what does not work for them in the classroom environment. Despite what some may think, we are the experts about our disabilities. Should an instructor have any questions for me I am more than willing to answer them. I am also ornery and like the surprise on most professors faces when I show up to the first day of class!
Bridgit Pollpeter
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> 1. MathDaisy 1.0 Released (Neil Soiffer)
> 2. Re: FW: a new type of captcha (T. Joseph Carter)
> 3. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Serena)
> 4. PLEASE READ] Changes to NLS Download Service
> (NLSDownload NLSDownload)
> 5. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Lora)
> 6. Re: GABS Fundraiser (cowboy0210 at gmail.com)
> 7. Re: Job seekers- disclosing disability (Bill)
> 8. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Bill)
> 9. (no subject) (Hannah G Furney)
> 10. Re: (no subject) (Dave Webster)
> 11. Re: Sustaining a student division in a rural state (Lora)
> 12. OT- Looking for travel compainions to go on a 10ish-day trip
> exploreing Yosemetee and Sequoia National Parks in California
> (Jim Reed)
> 13. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Sarah Alawami)
> 14. Re: (no subject) (Jacob Struiksma)
> 15. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Jacob Struiksma)
> 16. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Haben Girma)
> 17. Re: Member (Jess)
> 18. Re: OT- Looking for travel compainions to go on a 10ish-day
> trip exploreing Yosemetee and Sequoia National Parks in
> California (Nefertiti Matos Olivares)
> 19. Re: Job seekers- disclosing disability (Len Burns)
> 20. Re: Member (Jason Mandarino)
> 21. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors
> (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
> 22. Re: Science advice (Angela fowler)
> 23. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (Angela fowler)
> 24. Re: Accommedations Letter to Professors (William ODonnell)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:23:51 -0500
> From: Neil Soiffer <Neils at dessci.com> (by way of David Andrews
> <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [nabs-l] MathDaisy 1.0 Released
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <auto-000097771396 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
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> Apologies for the commercial nature of this post, but it is something of
> interest to many people on the list...
>
> We at Design Science are happy to announce the release of our newest
> product, MathDaisy. Many educational institutions now require teachers,
> instructors, and professors to make classroom materials accessible to
> students with disabilities. MathDaisy makes it possible to save
> Microsoft Word documents containing equations as a DAISY book that can
> be read by students on a personal computer or a dedicated eBook reader.
>
> The press release has been published on our website at
> http://www.dessci.com/en/company/press/releases/090413.htm
>
> Our hope is that MathDaisy together with Word's Save as DAISY makes it easy
> enough to publish DAISY "books" with math in them that anyone can, and more
> importantly, will create accessible material to give to their students,
> colleagues, etc.
>
> Neil Soiffer
> Senior Scientist
> Design Science, Inc.
> www.dessci.com
> ~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, WebEQ, Equation
> Editor ~
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:00:39 -0700
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: a new type of captcha
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <20090416190039.GF29715 at yumi.bluecherry.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
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> We've had a nice discussion about how people assume that hard for
> humans is hard for computers, and that it isn't generally so. We
> talked about how the current audio CAPTCHAs are often harder to use
> for some of us than getting someone to read the printed ones.
>
> The creator doesn't really understand the algorithmic aspects of
> audio manipulation. I explained what PCM samples are (16 bit signed
> numbers representing sound waveform amplitude over time for the nerds
> on the list) and that mixing two sounds was just a matter of adding
> them together and clipping the waveform if necessary. (You don't
> want it to be since that distorts sound.)
>
> So the developer is open to coming up with an equivalent we can use,
> but doesn't really know how to do it. In the meantime, given the
> choice between having us unable to use the site and having the site
> clogged with spam, however, we lose.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 06:14:30PM -0400, Liz Bottner wrote:
> >Cool. Thanks for posting your findings. I, for one, definitely appreciate
> >it. I would be interested to know if they follow up on your response.
> >
> >Liz
> >
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> >Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March
> >for Independence:
> >http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
> >m&fr_id=1050
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:02:52 -0400
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <004101c9bf00$9e101890$0301a8c0 at Serene>
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> Hi Jordan
>
> Do you really think you or the DSS Office has to write a letter to your
> profs. in the first place? Blind people have a right to simply walk into
> class, without any special explanation, just like sighted people. When I
> was in college, the disability person wrote letters for me, without asking
> me if I wanted her to. I guess, I didn't think to say no to it at that
> time. My wheelchair using friend Anthony, however, requested that the
> disability person not write accommodations letters for him cuz he believed
> he didn't need any special introduction just cuz he uses a wheelchair.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "MnABS listserve" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; "WABS listserv"
> <wabs at nfbwis.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:58 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
>
> hi all,
> i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> thx,
>
> --
> Jordan Richardson
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> ?What is a friend? A friend is a single soul dwelling in two bodies?
> --Aristotle
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:50:53 -0500
> From: NLSDownload NLSDownload <NLSDownload at loc.gov> (by way of David
> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [nabs-l] PLEASE READ] Changes to NLS Download Service
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
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> To all users of the NLS download pilot service:
>
> The pilot phase of the NLS downloadable audiobooks and magazines
> service will end April 28, 2009. It will be replaced by the permanent
> service Braille and Audio Reading Download (BARD), which you will be
> able to access at a new web site, https://nlsbard.loc.gov, beginning
> Thursday, April 30, 2009.
>
> Users who know their passwords will be able to log on to the new site;
> users who rely on their browsers to remember their passwords will need
> new ones (follow instructions in Section II). All user accounts will be
> migrated to the new system, so you do not need to reapply. All
> materials previously downloaded will remain usable, so you will not need
> to redownload your reading material.
>
> This message describes what???s new about BARD and explains what steps
> must be taken to access the new site. Please read the entire message
> carefully.
>
> Section I. What???s new about BARD:
>
> 1. Unlimited downloading. The BARD service will no longer limit the
> number of books and magazines that you may download. Any account holder
> may download any item at any time. During heavy demand, however, NLS
> may limit the number of simultaneous downloads for each account.
>
> 2. New logon page. The site login will now use a form rather than a
> dialog box. It is the same type of logon found on most Internet pages
> and should be immediately familiar to users of other sites. This is an
> important note for screen-reader users.
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> 3. New search functionality. BARD searches will yield more effective
> results. The use of multiple search terms will return only results
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> 4. New ???Most Popular Books??? list. By selecting the ???Most Popular
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> twenty most downloaded books on the BARD service in the last ninety
> days. Fiction and nonfiction titles will be listed separately.
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> 5. Redesigned magazine section. The ???Recently Added Magazines???
> link will now display links to only the most recent issue of each
> magazine. Magazines older than one year may be accessed from each
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> different address from the pilot site, you cannot rely on your web
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> 4. If you do not know your password but you are able to automatically
> log on to the pilot site because your browser knows your password, you
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> The last day of availability of the pilot site will be Tuesday, April
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> allow user accounts to be migrated to the new site, which will be
> available on Thursday, April 30.
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> NLS appreciates all who have participated in the pilot test. Your
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> service. Please send your comments to NLSDownload at loc.gov. Send
> questions or requests about the book and magazine collection to your
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:01:54 -0600
> From: Lora <blindhistory at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
> <ea6d2ed00904162101h2bf33353g9e5af703f764ddac at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> It is just a formality and legality. I have had problems with professors who
> have gone back on their part of the letter. By having them sign the letter
> you have a signature to back you up.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jordan
> >
> > Do you really think you or the DSS Office has to write a letter to your
> > profs. in the first place? Blind people have a right to simply walk into
> > class, without any special explanation, just like sighted people. When I
> > was in college, the disability person wrote letters for me, without asking
> > me if I wanted her to. I guess, I didn't think to say no to it at that
> > time. My wheelchair using friend Anthony, however, requested that the
> > disability person not write accommodations letters for him cuz he believed
> > he didn't need any special introduction just cuz he uses a wheelchair.
> >
> > Serena
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Richardson" <
> > lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "MnABS listserve" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; "WABS listserv"
> > <wabs at nfbwis.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:58 PM
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> > that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> > heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> > DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> > just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> > latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> > thx,
> >
> > --
> > Jordan Richardson
> > lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> > ?What is a friend? A friend is a single soul dwelling in two bodies?
> > --Aristotle
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>
>
> --
> Lora
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:15:59 +0000
> From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GABS Fundraiser
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Dear Mr. Wilcox,
>
> Good eveving. How soon will shirts actually be physically available? Is there a remote possibility Mr. Anil Lewis might be able to bring a couple next weekend to the Utah State convention?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 23:32:03
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Fundraiser
>
>
> THIS JUST IN! THIS JUST IN!
>
> The Georgia Association of Blind Students (GABS) is selling some
> fabulous T-Shirts for their first fundraiser. A description of the
> shirt is as follows: The shirt is of a royal blue color. Printed on
> the front of the shirt is the Whoseit logo along with the unique
> saying, ?Everyday People Living Life Everyday!? beneath it in an
> elegant metallic silver. GABS would like for you to support our first
> fundraiser by purchasing a shirt. One shirt, sized small to extra-
> large, costs only twelve dollars. And a shirt sized 2X or 3X is just
> an additional three dollars. If you would like to purchase a shirt,
> please contact me either by e-mail or by phone. Just send me your
> name, your telephone number, your e-mail address, your mailing
> address, and the sizes and quantity of shirts that you want. The way
> that we are going to distribute the shirts are by mail: once we
> receive your payment, we will mail your shirt(s) to you. I have
> picture of the shirt if you would like to view it before you buy it.
> As always, the Georgia Association of Blind Students appreciates your
> support. Thanks in advanced.
>
>
> Isaiah Wilcox
> Phone: 404-291-7791
> E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:47:40 -0700
> From: Bill <cassonw at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job seekers- disclosing disability
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
> <26d2dfeb0904162147gc65a466y27e2b29c44742987 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I was under the impression that employers were required to provide
> 'reasonable' accomidations. This article seems to imply that they are not
> obligated if they did not know about your disability when they hired you.
> the law does not allow for employers to use your disibility at all in their
> selection process. In OR i believe that employers aren't even allowed to
> ask about disabilities. I imagine that one can extend the law to not allow
> for preference to be given to disabled applicants either since you would be
> choosing on non-relevant baseies. Unfortunatly those of us with physical
> disabilities have less choice about disclosure then other potentionally
> disabled applicants. Joseph has said to me that employers will be more
> likely to hire you if they can see how you would be able to forfill the
> position. Convincing the employer of this can be hard. It would seem that
> an interview would be a good place to discuss this, but you would much
> prefer that the interview focused on your own skills and not details that
> should not effect their desision.
> Just my two cents,
> Bill VP
> Oregon Association of Blind Students
> 503-768-8982
> cassonw at gmail.com
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > As the summer-job seeking season is upon us, and as the economy forces
> > others out of work, I thought the following would be useful to some of
> > you. It deals with how/when to disclose your blindness to an employer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_jsdisc.hcsp
> >
> > I Hope some find it useful. I have an interview tomarrow with Montana Fish,
> > Wildlife, and Parks. I guess I will see how it works then.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:02:08 -0700
> From: Bill <cassonw at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
> <26d2dfeb0904162202l738797b4sd1fbb897dc7eb2e6 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hi,
> I think there is a significant likely difference in the two cases. I think
> that being a blind person you probably have more accomidations then the
> person in the wheel chair. Here the letters are not of introduction but
> rather of the accomidations you require. Obviously if you have none i see
> no reason to bother with the letter. I think the letters make it more
> likely that professors will cooperate with requests when they have the DSS
> office tell them they need to do something. You might just chat and if the
> professor is being unaccomidating, ask the DSS person to send them a
> letter. I personally like the letters so when i tell the professor i need
> this, they already know how it is supposed to work and i don't have to
> explain the legistics.
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jordan
> >
> > Do you really think you or the DSS Office has to write a letter to your
> > profs. in the first place? Blind people have a right to simply walk into
> > class, without any special explanation, just like sighted people. When I
> > was in college, the disability person wrote letters for me, without asking
> > me if I wanted her to. I guess, I didn't think to say no to it at that
> > time. My wheelchair using friend Anthony, however, requested that the
> > disability person not write accommodations letters for him cuz he believed
> > he didn't need any special introduction just cuz he uses a wheelchair.
> >
> > Serena
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jordan Richardson" <
> > lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "MnABS listserve" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; "WABS listserv"
> > <wabs at nfbwis.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:58 PM
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> >
> >
> >
> > hi all,
> > i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> > that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> > heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> > DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> > just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> > latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> > thx,
> >
> > --
> > Jordan Richardson
> > lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> > ?What is a friend? A friend is a single soul dwelling in two bodies?
> > --Aristotle
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:04:54 -0400
> From: Hannah G Furney <hfurney at bgsu.edu>
> Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
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> Hi. I just turned 21, and I have a qestion about that. I was wondering if anyone could give me information on the issue of going to a bar when you are blind. Thanks.
>
> Hannah Furney
> National Federation of the Blind
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:11:55 -0400
> From: Dave Webster <computerguy6428 at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject)
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> I use to go to bars and drink all the time.
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:37:26 -0600
> From: Lora <blindhistory at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sustaining a student division in a rural state
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
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>
> For the time being could you have the officers also be board members? What
> my state has doneis that we have combined the secretary/treasurer position
> into one position held by one person which has helped some.
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > My name is Jim Reed. I am president of the Montana Association of Blind
> > Students (MABS). I am puting this email out to reach out to other student
> > division leaders for advice.
> >
> > Background:
> > The whole state of Montana has a population of less than 1 million.
> > The largest city in Montana has approx 100,000
> > The two largest universities in the state have a combined enrollment of
> > approx 50,000
> > The largest university has less than 10 blind students
> > The MABS has approx 5 members
> > The MABS consitution requires 4 officers (pres, VP, secretary, treasurer)
> > and 4 board members
> > The MABS has less total membership than we have officer/board positions.
> >
> > I am trying to convince our members that we need to restructure our
> > leadership to reduce the number of people required, as I personally doubt
> > the MABS will ever have more than 10 members.
> >
> > I am running into resistance as some members seem to believe that our
> > organization will grow. One person is making the argument that it is ok to
> > leave an empty board as the student population is transient anyway. I
> > disagree on both counts.
> >
> > In the meantime, we have no board, and we have only filled our secretary
> > position. With out a board, we are essentially stalled, as I dont know what
> > I can do indepoendently before I cross the line from being a president to
> > being a dictator.
> >
> > I would be curious to hear what some of our other rural [presidents have to
> > say.
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
> >
> >
> >
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>
> --
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:49:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] OT- Looking for travel compainions to go on a
> 10ish-day trip exploreing Yosemetee and Sequoia National Parks in
> California
> To: NABS mail list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <504001.51759.qm at web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hey all,
> I was just kicking around the idea of planning a 10-14 day camping/backpacking trip to check out California's Yosemitee, Sequoia, and King's Canyon National Parks. I am looking for a couple of people to come along. I was thinking sometime in June. The closest airport would be Sacramento, CA.? If you think you might be interested, let me know.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:51:35 -0700
> From: "Sarah Alawami" <marrie12 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <941FB0FC2725405CAB403921452880AB at sarahd0fffdcf6>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I have to follow the rules of the disability office . I am by nature a rule
> follower pluss it makes things a little easier for me as it already lists
> the accomadations I am elegable for for that school. But that's just my 2
> sense worth.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
> Hi Jordan
>
> Do you really think you or the DSS Office has to write a letter to your
> profs. in the first place? Blind people have a right to simply walk into
> class, without any special explanation, just like sighted people. When I
> was in college, the disability person wrote letters for me, without asking
> me if I wanted her to. I guess, I didn't think to say no to it at that
> time. My wheelchair using friend Anthony, however, requested that the
> disability person not write accommodations letters for him cuz he believed
> he didn't need any special introduction just cuz he uses a wheelchair.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "MnABS listserve" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; "WABS listserv"
> <wabs at nfbwis.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:58 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
>
> hi all,
> i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> thx,
>
> --
> Jordan Richardson
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> "What is a friend? A friend is a single soul dwelling in two bodies"
> --Aristotle
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:21:00 -0700
> From: "Jacob Struiksma" <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject)
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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> What do you want to know about going to bar as blind person?
> From
> Jacob Struiksma
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Hannah G Furney
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:05 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
>
> Hi. I just turned 21, and I have a qestion about that. I was wondering if
> anyone could give me information on the issue of going to a bar when you are
> blind. Thanks.
>
> Hannah Furney
> National Federation of the Blind
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:22:52 -0700
> From: "Jacob Struiksma" <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <COL0-DAV239CE8620F121CC4FA437AB57B0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I would write my own letter. You are the person taking the class and blind
> so you know what you need and do not need.
> From
> Jacob Struiksma
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jordan Richardson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; MnABS listserve;
> WABS listserv
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
> hi all,
> i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> thx,
>
> --
> Jordan Richardson
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> "What is a friend? A friend is a single soul dwelling in two bodies"
> --Aristotle
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:33:41 -0700
> From: Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <49E83EE5.4070303 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>
> Hey Jordan, before I was even sure of attending this college I contacted
> the DSS office to alert them to what I would need and to ask them how
> they would go about fulfilling those accommodations. They've used the
> information I've given them to compose letters to my professors. Each
> term I always have a talk with professors before and after class because
> the messages in that letter don't always get through. This semester I
> plan to introduce my professors to the braille process and our embosser
> before fall term even begins. That way I hope that things will move
> smoothly from day one, and not week two.
>
> As to your question, it really all depends on the folks at your DSS
> office. Do you trust them to write a good letter? If you don't, then you
> should definitely write it yourself and let the DSS office know you'll
> do that, perhaps just to keep open those friendly communication channels.
>
> good luck,
> Haben
>
> Jordan Richardson wrote:
> > hi all,
> > i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> > that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> > heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> > DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> > just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> > latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> > thx,
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 06:29:49 -0400
> From: "Jess" <jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Member
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <25627131D12B48C88CFD67DD080074AB at Jessica>
>
> Miranda,
> What pare the United States are you in because they have regionally people
> that would be put in charge of reach you? Also Terri may not be the right
> person for you to be contacting. Also if you go to http://www.nabslinks.org
> you can join Nabs a large with out having to join a state affiliate.
> Jessica
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:07 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Member
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I joined the NABS mailing list a couple of months ago. I was wanting to
> > join
> > the NABS division and I have tried to email Terri a couple of times over
> > the
> > last couple of months and and have not heard anything back. Does anyone
> > know how I can join the division?
> >
> > Miranda
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:31:06 -0400
> From: Nefertiti Matos Olivares <nefamphetamine at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT- Looking for travel compainions to go on a
> 10ish-day trip exploreing Yosemetee and Sequoia National Parks in
> California
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
> <3d644bc30904170431r34e43ca4k68ed30ebb60b0b5c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Would I ever be interested! Do you have an agenda ready?
>
> On 4/17/09, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hey all,
> > I was just kicking around the idea of planning a 10-14 day
> > camping/backpacking trip to check out California's Yosemitee, Sequoia, and
> > King's Canyon National Parks. I am looking for a couple of people to come
> > along. I was thinking sometime in June. The closest airport would be
> > Sacramento, CA.? If you think you might be interested, let me know.
> > Thanks,
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 04:40:40 -0700
> From: Len Burns <len at gatamundo.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Job seekers- disclosing disability
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <49E86AB8.1050002 at gatamundo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> My own experience is that there is the law, and then the strategic
> choices you need to make to maximize your chances of being hired. If
> somebody does not want to hire you, there are dozens of ways to justify
> this without overtly mentioning blindness.
>
> I neither emphasize nor de-emphasize my blindness. It is simply an
> aspect of who I am in life. I deal with this with potential employers
> in exactly the same manner. I am matter of fact, and practical. If I
> need an accommodation in the hiring process, I might choose to discuss
> my blindness in that context. If not, I manage it in the interview
> itself. I often ask outright of any concerns held by the interviewers
> so that I may dispell them in the open. I know that what is not asked
> is a lot more dangerous to me than what is out on the table.
>
> -Len
>
> Bill wrote:
> > I was under the impression that employers were required to provide
> > 'reasonable' accomidations. This article seems to imply that they are not
> > obligated if they did not know about your disability when they hired you.
> > the law does not allow for employers to use your disibility at all in their
> > selection process. In OR i believe that employers aren't even allowed to
> > ask about disabilities. I imagine that one can extend the law to not allow
> > for preference to be given to disabled applicants either since you would be
> > choosing on non-relevant baseies. Unfortunatly those of us with physical
> > disabilities have less choice about disclosure then other potentionally
> > disabled applicants. Joseph has said to me that employers will be more
> > likely to hire you if they can see how you would be able to forfill the
> > position. Convincing the employer of this can be hard. It would seem that
> > an interview would be a good place to discuss this, but you would much
> > prefer that the interview focused on your own skills and not details that
> > should not effect their desision.
> > Just my two cents,
> > Bill VP
> > Oregon Association of Blind Students
> > 503-768-8982
> > cassonw at gmail.com
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> As the summer-job seeking season is upon us, and as the economy forces
> >> others out of work, I thought the following would be useful to some of
> >> you. It deals with how/when to disclose your blindness to an employer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/PublicWebsite/public_jsdisc.hcsp
> >>
> >> I Hope some find it useful. I have an interview tomarrow with Montana Fish,
> >> Wildlife, and Parks. I guess I will see how it works then.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:56:39 -0400
> From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Member
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Miranda,
>
> My first question is regarding where you live. Most states ideally have a
> student division, but due to the need of student participation and
> leadership, that is not always the case.
>
> If you visit the Student Division main site:
> www.nabslink.org
> You will find a link that is labeled State Divisions.
> This will give you a message about not being completed, but if you keep
> scrolling you will receive a list of states with the appropriate contact.
>
> Now a few states are also being reorganized due to a lack of leadership, or
> other reasons. If you have any further questions feel free to contact me
> using the below information.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
> Mobile: (706) 399-6993
> Email: j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Miranda brown
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 4:08 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Member
>
> Hi,
>
> I joined the NABS mailing list a couple of months ago. I was wanting to join
> the NABS division and I have tried to email Terri a couple of times over the
> last couple of months and and have not heard anything back. Does anyone
> know how I can join the division?
>
> Miranda
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:55:56 -0400
> From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <20090417095556.i7521h6j48oo808o at webmail.utoronto.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed"
>
> Hi Jordan,
> I think that notifying your professors one way or the other is
> essential for you to be accommodated. I think your approach should be
> twofold: have the DSS office write a letter if that is there procedure
> but also write or phone your professors yourself to tell them
> specifically what you need. That way they can put a name to a face,
> you can put a name to a voice, and that knowledge will make it much
> easier for you to get any help you may need later. If you take the
> initiative now both parties will feel more comfortable with each other
> if something comes up.
> HTH,
> Sarah
>
>
> Quoting Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>:
>
> > hi all,
> > i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> > that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> > heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> > DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> > just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> > latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> > thx,
> >
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> > lilrichie411 at gmail.com
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> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:40:25 -0700
> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Science advice
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <28B9112D40E44290A6DDE966F28F2C69 at angelab>
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> Could you please post these responses on list?
> Thanks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Isaiah Wilcox
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Science advice
>
> Good day ladies and gentlemen.
>
> I, along with a colleague, need some feedback from individuals who have
> taken any science courses. For example, I would like to know what
> accommodations were made for you, what are some things to be aware of, or
> what couldn't you do? If you could, e-mail me off of the list, that would
> be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>
> --
> Isaiah Wilcox
> 830 Westview Dr. SW
> Morehouse College Unit #140940
> Atlanta Ga, 30314
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> Message: 23
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:13:17 -0700
> From: "Angela fowler" <fowlers at syix.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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> The DSS office is there to help us, not to dictate to us that we follow
> rules which other students are not subject too. I personally let the DSS
> office put me in contact with the professors and handle getting the book
> lists and such, but once I actually meet the professor I deal with them
> one-on-one as much as possible. If there's a handout I need, I'll ask them
> to email it. Often the DSS office never sees it. If your DSS office is
> dictating the way you relate to a professor, they are way out of line.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah Alawami
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:52 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
> I have to follow the rules of the disability office . I am by nature a rule
> follower pluss it makes things a little easier for me as it already lists
> the accomadations I am elegable for for that school. But that's just my 2
> sense worth.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
> Hi Jordan
>
> Do you really think you or the DSS Office has to write a letter to your
> profs. in the first place? Blind people have a right to simply walk into
> class, without any special explanation, just like sighted people. When I
> was in college, the disability person wrote letters for me, without asking
> me if I wanted her to. I guess, I didn't think to say no to it at that
> time. My wheelchair using friend Anthony, however, requested that the
> disability person not write accommodations letters for him cuz he believed
> he didn't need any special introduction just cuz he uses a wheelchair.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "MnABS listserve" <mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; "WABS listserv"
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:58 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
>
>
> hi all,
> i just talked to the person at the DSS office today and one of the things
> that we talked was the accommedations letter to the professors. Now, i had
> heard about this through Jeff Thompson and MnABS. Is it better to have the
> DSS office write the letter and send it to me for revisions, or for me to
> just write the letter and to send it to my professors myself. If i do the
> latter, should i tell the DSS office that i will write the letter myself?
> thx,
>
> --
> Jordan Richardson
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> "What is a friend? A friend is a single soul dwelling in two bodies"
> --Aristotle
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> Message: 24
> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:42:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommedations Letter to Professors
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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> In regard to writing individual letters to professors, in the past, I wrote each professor a standard email introducing me and me also copied the DS office on that email. This kept lines of communication open so misunderstandings were kept to a minimum. Keep coppies of all emails so they can be used as evidence in proving discrimination issues at your college.
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