[nabs-l] traveling abroad advice

Bill cassonw at gmail.com
Sat Apr 25 23:51:15 UTC 2009


Not allowing you to attend this trip only because of a disability i believe
is discrimination.  They offer a service and i believe if you pay for the
service, they cannot refuse it to you.  Someone correct me if this is
wrong.  Are they requireing you to have someone with you because you have a
disability or because you receive services from DSS?  What is the compliance
office?  If you put down the deposit and you cannot get someone to go, will
they refuse to let you go?  If so, will they refund your trip cost?  Would
you be comfortable going without a designated person to help you?  If you
are comforable with and they would refund, I would go ahead and go through
the procedures required to go and work out the details afterwords.  If you
really want to do this then you will find ways to make it work, and remember
the NFB is happy to help you in any way they can.
Bill

On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 4:13 PM, priscilla
<priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com>wrote:

> hey all,
> I agree with the point of not bringing my mother on this trip to the EU.
> but, its not because I desired it or because I wanted to bring her on the
> trip because I want to act like a total dependent person, but what really
> annoys me is that my school puts on the policy issues of liability and
> stuff.
> another thing is that the dean called the compliance office to work out the
> legal plan for my mom to go but it seems like they are not going to approve
> it.
> but I am trying to fight for this, but the school requires me to have
> someone on the trip regardless if you are very independent or not, because
> of the stupid rules imposed by the compliance office on people with
> disabilities services.
> I think that my school should easy up here and be more flexible.
> what do you all think?
>
> Thank you very much.
> I rely need help concerning this since time is running out and I need
> deposits in as soon as possible.
>
>
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>>  4. studying abroad advise (priscilla)
>>  5. From A Student In Michigan (Elizabeth)
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>>  7. Re: studying abroad advise (Mary Fernandez)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:59:44 -0400
>> From: "Ashley  Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <97844DEBCC9F43FFBEE8FA3C98F28994 at Ashley>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>> I am shocked you would not support legislation.  We need to hear cars for
>> our safety and independence.  Blind people use auditory cues to cross the
>> street.  There is simply no way around it.  I would not want to fear being
>> hit because I cannot hear half the cars as I cross the street.  Perhaps
>> you
>> don't care because you have enough vision to drive.  I recall you saying
>> you
>> comtemplated driving in a job because you wanted it so desperately.
>> You will put your safety at risk.  Sorry, I will not.  There is enough
>> risk
>> in crossing because we are pedestrians and the environment favors
>> automobiles.  Let's not make it more dangerous by having many cars we
>> cannot
>> hear.
>>
>> we are not against the hybrid we are only saying there needs to be noise
>> on
>> the car to hear it.
>> I care about the environment, but I also care about my safety.  I cannot
>> be
>> independent if I am dead from a car crash.
>>
>> You can have your own opinion but the national NFB, ACB, AFB and others
>> will
>> fight for this bill so you are outnumbered.  Yes ACB is working on this.
>> We
>> are not working together with ACB but we actually agree on this one, that
>> silent cars are a safety hazard to the blind.
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "MAB List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:08 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am not quite sure how to feel on this issue. On one hand, quiet cars
>> might
>> pose a saftey risk to blind persons and others, but on the other hand,
>> there
>> is such a thing as noise pollution, air pollution, dependence on forign
>> oil,
>> and enviromental damage.
>>
>> Aditionally, there is another element of this issue related to the support
>> or hinderance of societal progress. Hybrids represent the next great leap
>> in
>> our society, if additional laws are passed regulating this development, it
>> may prove to hinder the development of the hybrid car. Remember, the
>> impact
>> of hybrid cars isnt just a blindness issue, there are much more importiant
>> nation issues at stake. For example, national security risk via a
>> dependence
>> of forign oil.
>>
>> There are also economic concerns. The continued research and development
>> of
>> hybrids, alternative fuels, and "green" energy, will potentially be the
>> savior of our economy. If hybrids become the next big thing, they could
>> jumpstart the nearly dead auto industry, thus helping our economy and
>> individual families. If you go to the national convention in Detroit, you
>> will all see first hand the conciquences of this current economic
>> collapes.
>> Now is the time to be supporting industy and inovation, not hindering it.
>>
>> Lastly, if blind independence is truely the goal of the NFB and blind
>> persons, then the burden is on us -- blind people-- to adapt to the
>> changing
>> world, the burden is not on the world to adapt to us. Perhaps in the era
>> of
>> silent cars, it may be time to tweak cane-travel methodologies?
>>
>> I can't support this. I will not be a party to the hinderance of societal
>> progress, continued enviromental degradfation, or further economic
>> decline.
>> I will not expect industy or tax payers to foot the bill because I (we)
>> refuse to adapt.
>>
>> Well thats my two cents
>> Jim
>>
>> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
>>
>>
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>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:07:38 -0400
>> From: "Ashley  Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <F7C2FBB3A46A45ADAE6949F6ABAE0860 at Ashley>
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>> reply-type=original
>>
>> Jont,
>> I disagree.  Putting a mechanism in every cane to
>> detect the hybrid has several problems.  It likely will make the cane
>> heavier.  It will make canes more fragile.  Lastly and importantly it will
>> drive up the cost of canes.  We need canes to be affordable.  My canes
>> wear
>> out in a handful of years, like three or four years.  The paint wears off
>> and its just older.  So I want the cost of canes to stay where they are.
>>
>> Also such legislation will help all pedestrians not just blind people.
>> Children are still taught to stop, look and listen.  So listening is still
>> a
>> valuable cue for all.  We should not take this away.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonte" <jonte711 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>
>>
>>  How about putting a mechanism in the cane that detects the hybrid car? I
>>> think that would be much more effective than trying to persuade the car
>>> companies to accommodate us.
>>> Jonte
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>>
>>> I totally agree with you but I think you misunderstand the legislation.
>>>  It is not necessarily saying that we have to cause setbacks in hybrid
>>> cars or even how we should be able to hear them.  It simply states that
>>> the department of transportation would have to research it.  It can be
>>> done without being a hinderance--there could be a mechanism on the car
>>> that would make a sound whose speed changes with the speed of the car.
>>> And let's remember that we don't want noise; we just want something that
>>> is audible.  I think that most blind people would agree with sighted
>>> people that they don't want loud trucks driving past their houses.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robby
>>>
>>> Jim Reed wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am not quite sure how to feel on this issue. On one hand, quiet cars
>>>> might pose a saftey risk to blind persons and others, but on the other
>>>> hand, there is such a thing as noise pollution, air pollution,
>>>> dependence
>>>> on forign oil, and enviromental damage.
>>>>
>>>> Aditionally, there is another element of this issue related to the
>>>> support or hinderance of societal progress. Hybrids represent the next
>>>> great leap in our society, if additional laws are passed regulating this
>>>> development, it may prove to hinder the development of the hybrid car.
>>>> Remember, the impact of hybrid cars isnt just a blindness issue, there
>>>> are much more importiant nation issues at stake. For example, national
>>>> security risk via a dependence of forign oil.
>>>>
>>>> There are also economic concerns. The continued research and development
>>>> of hybrids, alternative fuels, and  "green" energy, will potentially be
>>>> the savior of our economy. If hybrids become the next big thing, they
>>>> could jumpstart the nearly dead auto industry, thus helping our economy
>>>> and individual families. If you go to the national convention in
>>>> Detroit,
>>>> you will all see first hand the conciquences of this current economic
>>>> collapes. Now is the time to be supporting industy and inovation, not
>>>> hindering it.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, if blind independence is truely the goal of the NFB and blind
>>>> persons, then the burden is on us -- blind people-- to adapt to the
>>>> changing world, the burden is not on the world to adapt to us. Perhaps
>>>> in
>>>> the era of silent cars, it may be time to tweak cane-travel
>>>> methodologies?
>>>>
>>>> I can't support this. I will not be a party to the hinderance of
>>>> societal
>>>> progress, continued enviromental degradfation,  or further economic
>>>> decline. I will not expect industy or tax payers to foot the bill
>>>> because
>>>> I (we) refuse to adapt.
>>>>
>>>> Well thats my two cents
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Ohio Association of Blind Students - President
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Why the NABS should pursue its own employment
>> seminars
>> To: NABS mail list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <720742.14610.qm at web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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>>
>> NABS board and officers,
>>
>> I strongly urge the NABS to pursue its own efforts towards providing job
>> training/readyness. Meaningful employment counters dependence, and
>> successful employment counters stereotypes.
>>
>> I think that for students, there would be an inherent advantage value
>> associated with attending a seperate NABS produced employment seminar that
>> could possibly not be realized at the national convention level. For
>> example, I've never been the shy, quiet type. in class, if I don't know an
>> answer, I will ask the question, regardless of how stupid I may sound, and I
>> wont give a damn what anyone thinks. But, on the other hand, not all
>> students are like me; many wont ask a question to save their life. If
>> they wont ask a question in a classroom, what are the chances they will
>> ask a question in a crowded national convention seminar that is full of
>> older people, proffessionals, and strangers?
>>
>> Additionally, as students, we may not be up to par with the job skills and
>> knowledge of an older, proffessional crowd. Maybe, for example,? some of us
>> (like me) may just be begining to accept our blindness, thus have never
>> looked for a job as a blind person before, and as a result, the
>> education/training needs to start at the most basic level.
>>
>> I could list many more reasons and examples as to why the NABS should host
>> its own job training workshops, but I think I've made my point.
>>
>> ?I'm not suggesting that we compete with the national convention
>> efforts,we could do it anytime between September and March, and not
>> compete directly with the convention. And, with the technology that is
>> availiable, these efforts could be entirely web based, or if there is a NABS
>> convention, that would be a good time to. I bet this is the type of project
>> the Imagination Fund would jump all over.
>>
>> I do think this idea is worth pursuing, and I intend to continue to do so.
>> Please concider supporting this proposal. Also, for everyone reading this on
>> the list, make sure you let our leaders know what you want and need; they
>> are not mind readers. If the NABS board and its officers get enough phone
>> calls and emails in favor of an idea, they will hear the call, and I have
>> faith that they will respond to the needs of their consituants, and to the
>> needs of their voters...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ?
>> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:34:14 -0400
>> From: "priscilla" <priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <BAY105-DS591589C1B088A83878496BA720 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>>
>> Dear all listers,
>> This is the second time I have this challenge when it cones to studying
>> abroad since the first time I planned it ahead did not work out because of
>> students backing out due to financial circumstances.
>> I already worked out with a friend who was really willing to go abroad
>> with me and she really liked the idea  of going to Israel.
>> This time, I am going to Europe and traveling to Netherlands, Belgium, and
>> Brussels.
>> the dean met with me and my parents because my parents had concerns for me
>> being on the trip since it is the first time I would actually travel with
>> the school not counting the last time I planned another trip because it
>> never happened.
>> my situation is finding a close friend who can go because like I mentioned
>> in previous post, there will be visual tours, lectures, and also I need to
>> Hearn how to deal with being in the hotel.
>> The dean suggested mom going as a result but as a last resort.
>> I don' really like the idea of mom being with me at all times because of
>> the fact that I feel more comfortable being with other friends in social
>> settings, but most of my close friends already graduated so it does not
>> count anymore since they are no longer at school
>> I had a close friend who is going on the trip and although I explained to
>> her my situation, she still wanted to go and was glad to help me, she
>> unfortunately can't go because of family and financial hardships which was
>> pretty sad.
>> I tried talking to other friends to come and did explain my situation and
>> they already know, but again, they couldn't afford to study abroad because
>> of personal issues and the expenses not because they were afraid to help me
>> but they had other more complicated issues and are worse off than I am.
>> I even called my friend Valerie, but unfortunately she couldn't go because
>> she graduated already and she is starting med school pretty soon.
>> I am so frustrated because most of my friends who are glad to help can't
>> unfortunately due to other issues of there own and I have to depend on mom
>> as a last resort.
>> but here is another problem, mom recently transferred to another school to
>> teach and her employer is strict when it comes to long absences from work
>> that are a week's worth or more.
>> She called me up and told me  "I am not sure I I will be able to go
>> because I have to talk to my employer and I don't really think they are
>> willing to give me the days I need to go on this trip with you, but I will
>> get moor information because I would like to go too."
>> I am glad that mom is supporting me on this trip and I thank god 1000
>> times for having grateful parents really and wholeheartedly.
>> but, I am afraid she might interfere with the fact that I have to get used
>> to being with my friends and do other stuff with them as opposed to her
>> being with me all the time.
>> I understand she has very deep concerns but, I just don't feel too
>> comfortable being with mom while all my other friends are on the trip, but
>> this is my last resort since I don't really have anybody else for support.
>> So what do you all listers suggest please because I need to deposit the
>> money as soon as possible and the latest is this coming Monday unless they
>> cancel the trip which I am afraid because not many students are signing up
>> due to a bad economy thanks to president bush's plan for giving other
>> countries millions of dollars to be used in wars.
>> So, please reply to this post with any advice, I really appreciate it.
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> Good day,
>>
>> Priscilla
>> Ps. I am starting to plan some days with my of m instructor to learn how
>> to travel on train because we might use that in Europe, and I am excited to
>> learn but it is very difficult since my classes overlap and I get tutoring
>> for my statistic course 4 days a week and have to use Fridays for projects
>> which I need help in.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:44:34 -0400
>> From: Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] From A Student In Michigan
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <COL118-W4662D63EA588857C8DA448BA720 at phx.gbl>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> I have not been keeping up to date with all of the post on the list, but I
>> noticed one post asking if there were any blind students on the list from
>> Michigan. I just wanted to let everyone know that even though I am not an
>> active member of the student devision in Michigan, that I am a blind college
>> student who resides in the state of Michigan.
>>
>> I do not live near Detroit nor do I hold any leadership positions within
>> our state affiliate, but I would be willing to serve as a contact person for
>> anything related to the upcoming national convention including answering any
>> questions you might have about what resources might be available in our
>> state.
>>
>> I have not been activally involved in convention planning so far due to
>> unresolved health issues that I have been battling since the beginning of
>> the semester on top of a hectic class schedule. However, once classes are
>> over, I plan to devote more time to convention planning, so if I can be of
>> any help to anyone as a representative   from the state of Michigan, please
>> feel free to contact me off list.
>>
>> Elizabeth
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:49:18 -0500
>> From: jonte <jonte711 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <49f2332e.07045a0a.0581.ffff8a04 at mx.google.com>
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>>
>>
>> Maybe there are numerous problems with putting a mechanism in the cane
>> that would detect a hybrid car.
>> I'll concede to that.  However, if it ever were to happen, I would not
>> throw a pity fest about the cost of the cane if a mechanism has been
>> developed that could save my life.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:07 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>
>> Jont,
>> I disagree.  Putting a mechanism in every cane to
>> detect the hybrid has several problems.  It likely will make the cane
>> heavier.  It will make canes more fragile.  Lastly and importantly it will
>> drive up the cost of canes.  We need canes to be affordable.  My canes
>> wear
>> out in a handful of years, like three or four years.  The paint wears off
>> and its just older.  So I want the cost of canes to stay where they are.
>>
>> Also such legislation will help all pedestrians not just blind people.
>> Children are still taught to stop, look and listen.  So listening is still
>> a
>> valuable cue for all.  We should not take this away.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonte" <jonte711 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>
>>
>>  How about putting a mechanism in the cane that detects the hybrid car? I
>>> think that would be much more effective than trying to persuade the car
>>> companies to accommodate us.
>>> Jonte
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 8:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>>
>>> I totally agree with you but I think you misunderstand the legislation.
>>>  It is not necessarily saying that we have to cause setbacks in hybrid
>>> cars or even how we should be able to hear them.  It simply states that
>>> the department of transportation would have to research it.  It can be
>>> done without being a hinderance--there could be a mechanism on the car
>>> that would make a sound whose speed changes with the speed of the car.
>>> And let's remember that we don't want noise; we just want something that
>>> is audible.  I think that most blind people would agree with sighted
>>> people that they don't want loud trucks driving past their houses.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Robby
>>>
>>> Jim Reed wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am not quite sure how to feel on this issue. On one hand, quiet cars
>>>> might pose a saftey risk to blind persons and others, but on the other
>>>> hand, there is such a thing as noise pollution, air pollution,
>>>> dependence
>>>> on forign oil, and enviromental damage.
>>>>
>>>> Aditionally, there is another element of this issue related to the
>>>> support or hinderance of societal progress. Hybrids represent the next
>>>> great leap in our society, if additional laws are passed regulating this
>>>> development, it may prove to hinder the development of the hybrid car.
>>>> Remember, the impact of hybrid cars isnt just a blindness issue, there
>>>> are much more importiant nation issues at stake. For example, national
>>>> security risk via a dependence of forign oil.
>>>>
>>>> There are also economic concerns. The continued research and development
>>>> of hybrids, alternative fuels, and  "green" energy, will potentially be
>>>> the savior of our economy. If hybrids become the next big thing, they
>>>> could jumpstart the nearly dead auto industry, thus helping our economy
>>>> and individual families. If you go to the national convention in
>>>> Detroit,
>>>> you will all see first hand the conciquences of this current economic
>>>> collapes. Now is the time to be supporting industy and inovation, not
>>>> hindering it.
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, if blind independence is truely the goal of the NFB and blind
>>>> persons, then the burden is on us -- blind people-- to adapt to the
>>>> changing world, the burden is not on the world to adapt to us. Perhaps
>>>> in
>>>> the era of silent cars, it may be time to tweak cane-travel
>>>> methodologies?
>>>>
>>>> I can't support this. I will not be a party to the hinderance of
>>>> societal
>>>> progress, continued enviromental degradfation,  or further economic
>>>> decline. I will not expect industy or tax payers to foot the bill
>>>> because
>>>> I (we) refuse to adapt.
>>>>
>>>> Well thats my two cents
>>>> Jim
>>>>
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:59:23 -0400
>> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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>> Hi Priscilla. How about hiring a student that is already going on the
>> trip? I am going to Paris this summer, and the school is hiring two
>> students, who are in the program, and who want to work with me, to do
>> it. Basically, if I need to go shopping, and really don't want to go
>> alone, I can just arrange something with them to accompany me. One of
>> them is my friend, but again, this is not a matter where you can rely
>> on friends. Studying abroad is expensive, and hard  not just for us.
>> This is also quite a reasonable accomodation, since it's comparable to
>> hiring a reader or something along those lines.
>> So thinkabout it.
>> Mary
>>
>> On 4/24/09, priscilla <priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all listers,
>>> This is the second time I have this challenge when it cones to studying
>>> abroad since the first time I planned it ahead did not work out because
>>> of
>>> students backing out due to financial circumstances.
>>> I already worked out with a friend who was really willing to go abroad
>>> with
>>> me and she really liked the idea  of going to Israel.
>>> This time, I am going to Europe and traveling to Netherlands, Belgium,
>>> and
>>> Brussels.
>>> the dean met with me and my parents because my parents had concerns for
>>> me
>>> being on the trip since it is the first time I would actually travel with
>>> the school not counting the last time I planned another trip because it
>>> never happened.
>>> my situation is finding a close friend who can go because like I
>>> mentioned
>>> in previous post, there will be visual tours, lectures, and also I need
>>> to
>>> Hearn how to deal with being in the hotel.
>>> The dean suggested mom going as a result but as a last resort.
>>> I don' really like the idea of mom being with me at all times because of
>>> the
>>> fact that I feel more comfortable being with other friends in social
>>> settings, but most of my close friends already graduated so it does not
>>> count anymore since they are no longer at school
>>> I had a close friend who is going on the trip and although I explained to
>>> her my situation, she still wanted to go and was glad to help me, she
>>> unfortunately can't go because of family and financial hardships which
>>> was
>>> pretty sad.
>>> I tried talking to other friends to come and did explain my situation and
>>> they already know, but again, they couldn't afford to study abroad
>>> because
>>> of personal issues and the expenses not because they were afraid to help
>>> me
>>> but they had other more complicated issues and are worse off than I am.
>>> I even called my friend Valerie, but unfortunately she couldn't go
>>> because
>>> she graduated already and she is starting med school pretty soon.
>>> I am so frustrated because most of my friends who are glad to help can't
>>> unfortunately due to other issues of there own and I have to depend on
>>> mom
>>> as a last resort.
>>> but here is another problem, mom recently transferred to another school
>>> to
>>> teach and her employer is strict when it comes to long absences from work
>>> that are a week's worth or more.
>>> She called me up and told me  "I am not sure I I will be able to go
>>> because
>>> I have to talk to my employer and I don't really think they are willing
>>> to
>>> give me the days I need to go on this trip with you, but I will get moor
>>> information because I would like to go too."
>>> I am glad that mom is supporting me on this trip and I thank god 1000
>>> times
>>> for having grateful parents really and wholeheartedly.
>>> but, I am afraid she might interfere with the fact that I have to get
>>> used
>>> to being with my friends and do other stuff with them as opposed to her
>>> being with me all the time.
>>> I understand she has very deep concerns but, I just don't feel too
>>> comfortable being with mom while all my other friends are on the trip,
>>> but
>>> this is my last resort since I don't really have anybody else for
>>> support.
>>> So what do you all listers suggest please because I need to deposit the
>>> money as soon as possible and the latest is this coming Monday unless
>>> they
>>> cancel the trip which I am afraid because not many students are signing
>>> up
>>> due to a bad economy thanks to president bush's plan for giving other
>>> countries millions of dollars to be used in wars.
>>> So, please reply to this post with any advice, I really appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much
>>>
>>> Good day,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>> Ps. I am starting to plan some days with my of m instructor to learn how
>>> to
>>> travel on train because we might use that in Europe, and I am excited to
>>> learn but it is very difficult since my classes overlap and I get
>>> tutoring
>>> for my statistic course 4 days a week and have to use Fridays for
>>> projects
>>> which I need help in.
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:13:05 -0500
>> From: anna parker <anna.parker.11 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
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>> i totally agree with what your saying, i am one of those blind people who
>> can also drive but id like to see some kind of noise in the cars because i
>> do tavel with out a car a lot of the time and it can be scary enough
>> crossing busy streets with out the fear of not hearing the cars.. so i
>> strongly believe something needs to be done and something needs to be done
>> now
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>  Hi Jim,
>>> I am shocked you would not support legislation.  We need to hear cars for
>>> our safety and independence.  Blind people use auditory cues to cross the
>>> street.  There is simply no way around it.  I would not want to fear
>>> being
>>> hit because I cannot hear half the cars as I cross the street.  Perhaps
>>> you
>>> don't care because you have enough vision to drive.  I recall you saying
>>> you
>>> comtemplated driving in a job because you wanted it so desperately.
>>> You will put your safety at risk.  Sorry, I will not.  There is enough
>>> risk
>>> in crossing because we are pedestrians and the environment favors
>>> automobiles.  Let's not make it more dangerous by having many cars we
>>> cannot
>>> hear.
>>>
>>> we are not against the hybrid we are only saying there needs to be noise
>>> on
>>> the car to hear it.
>>> I care about the environment, but I also care about my safety.  I cannot
>>> be
>>> independent if I am dead from a car crash.
>>>
>>> You can have your own opinion but the national NFB, ACB, AFB and others
>>> will fight for this bill so you are outnumbered.  Yes ACB is working on
>>> this.  We are not working together with ACB but we actually agree on this
>>> one, that silent cars are a safety hazard to the blind.
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "MAB List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:08 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Pedestrian safety improvement act
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am not quite sure how to feel on this issue. On one hand, quiet cars
>>> might pose a saftey risk to blind persons and others, but on the other
>>> hand,
>>> there is such a thing as noise pollution, air pollution, dependence on
>>> forign oil, and enviromental damage.
>>>
>>> Aditionally, there is another element of this issue related to the
>>> support
>>> or hinderance of societal progress. Hybrids represent the next great leap
>>> in
>>> our society, if additional laws are passed regulating this development,
>>> it
>>> may prove to hinder the development of the hybrid car. Remember, the
>>> impact
>>> of hybrid cars isnt just a blindness issue, there are much more
>>> importiant
>>> nation issues at stake. For example, national security risk via a
>>> dependence
>>> of forign oil.
>>>
>>> There are also economic concerns. The continued research and development
>>> of
>>> hybrids, alternative fuels, and "green" energy, will potentially be the
>>> savior of our economy. If hybrids become the next big thing, they could
>>> jumpstart the nearly dead auto industry, thus helping our economy and
>>> individual families. If you go to the national convention in Detroit, you
>>> will all see first hand the conciquences of this current economic
>>> collapes.
>>> Now is the time to be supporting industy and inovation, not hindering it.
>>>
>>> Lastly, if blind independence is truely the goal of the NFB and blind
>>> persons, then the burden is on us -- blind people-- to adapt to the
>>> changing
>>> world, the burden is not on the world to adapt to us. Perhaps in the era
>>> of
>>> silent cars, it may be time to tweak cane-travel methodologies?
>>>
>>> I can't support this. I will not be a party to the hinderance of societal
>>> progress, continued enviromental degradfation, or further economic
>>> decline.
>>> I will not expect industy or tax payers to foot the bill because I (we)
>>> refuse to adapt.
>>>
>>> Well thats my two cents
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
>>>
>>>
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>> Message: 9
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:29:55 -0500
>> From: anna parker <anna.parker.11 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] From A Student In Michigan
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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>> hey Elizabeth
>>      my name is anna parker, im from mi, im on the student boared if youd
>> like to get back involled let me know, were having a meeting this coming
>> sunday.. we would love to have you. get back to me
>> Anna
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello List,
>>>
>>> I have not been keeping up to date with all of the post on the list, but
>>> I
>>> noticed one post asking if there were any blind students on the list from
>>> Michigan. I just wanted to let everyone know that even though I am not an
>>> active member of the student devision in Michigan, that I am a blind
>>> college
>>> student who resides in the state of Michigan.
>>>
>>> I do not live near Detroit nor do I hold any leadership positions within
>>> our state affiliate, but I would be willing to serve as a contact person
>>> for
>>> anything related to the upcoming national convention including answering
>>> any
>>> questions you might have about what resources might be available in our
>>> state.
>>>
>>> I have not been activally involved in convention planning so far due to
>>> unresolved health issues that I have been battling since the beginning of
>>> the semester on top of a hectic class schedule. However, once classes are
>>> over, I plan to devote more time to convention planning, so if I can be
>>> of
>>> any help to anyone as a representative   from the state of Michigan,
>>> please
>>> feel free to contact me off list.
>>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:45:50 -0500
>> From: "Tai Blas" <taiablas at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Webcasting the NFB national convention career
>> seminar. Who wants to help?
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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>> Mr. Will Schwatka usually takes care of recording needs for the
>> convention.
>> He has recorded NABS events in the past and may be able to let NABS  use
>> his
>> equipment. contact him at the national center.
>> Tai Blas
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Webcasting the NFB national convention career
>> seminar.
>> Who wants to help?
>>
>> Hi again,
>>
>> Sorry about the last message--I had slightly misinterpreted this
>> thread and thought we were talking about hosting our own career
>> seminar. (It's been a long week!)
>>
>> Before we spend any money or make any webcasting arrangements, we need
>> to talk to the people in charge of streaming the national convention
>> general sessions. I am not sure who that would be but Mrs. Jernigan,
>> who is in charge of all convention arrangements, can point us in the
>> right direction, and she should be made aware of these plans.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 4/24/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim and all,
>>>
>>> My understanding is that there is already going to be a general
>>> employment seminar at the convention on Friday, July 3. At least
>>> that's what's happened in past years. NABS isn't going to  compete
>>> with this annual career seminar, although we can certainly talk about
>>> hosting a  job-related podcast or seminar during a different part of
>>> the year.
>>>
>>> I believe the Affiliate Action department will also be hosting an
>>> advocacy seminar sometime during convention. Again, I haven't seen the
>>> agenda for this year, but am basing this on tradition from the seven
>>> other national conventions I've attended thus far.
>>>
>>> Arielle Silverman
>>> First Vice-President, NABS
>>>
>>> On 4/24/09, Bill <cassonw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have had little experience but would be happy to run the sound board.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hello all,
>>>>> Several things need to happen to make the NFB national convention
>>>>> career
>>>>> seminar available to all on the web. To begin with, you need to
>>>>> vollenter
>>>>> to
>>>>> help. I may be going to the convention (pending a job interview
>>>>> tomarrow),
>>>>> if I go, I will be willing to do my part. But for now, I can get the
>>>>> ball
>>>>> rolling. If you are interested in helping out with some or all of the
>>>>> following task, please email me OFF LIST (I get the NABS list in digest
>>>>> format, so its better to meail be directly)
>>>>>
>>>>> First, we need to find the equipment.
>>>>>   1  Does anybody have, or have access to,  high-end A/V recording
>>>>> equipment?
>>>>>   2.  If not, then the NFB/NABS needs to rent, or otherwize provide the
>>>>> equipment.
>>>>>          1. NABS board members, what needs to happen to make those
>>>>> funda
>>>>> avaliable?
>>>>>          2. The easiest thing would be to rent it in Detroit. We need
>>>>> to
>>>>> find out where.
>>>>>          3. And we need to arainge for someone to pick-up and drop-off
>>>>> the
>>>>> gear.
>>>>>          4. Perhaps the local college or high school A/V clubs would be
>>>>> willing to allow us
>>>>>             to borrow their gear, or maybe even take on
>>>>> recording/production as a project.
>>>>>          5. It may be worth while to contact the MI affiliate, or the
>>>>> Detroit chapter to find local
>>>>>             resources. Any Michigan students on the list?
>>>>>   3.  Due to compatability issues, we need to know the specs of the
>>>>> P.A.
>>>>> system that
>>>>>        will be used in Detroit. Can anyone find that info?
>>>>>
>>>>> Next we need to focus on personell
>>>>>    1. Depending on the lenght of the seminar, we may need several
>>>>> people
>>>>> willing to take
>>>>>        turn running the camera. Who wants to take on recording duties?
>>>>>     2. Depending on the equipment, we may need people running sound
>>>>> boards
>>>>> or what
>>>>>        not.
>>>>>     3. Post-convention, we need someone to edit the raw footage
>>>>>     4. Then we need to get it on the web. (Joe?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, we need to contact the speaker
>>>>>     1. It would be nice to find out her presentation plans so we can
>>>>> plan
>>>>> accordingly.
>>>>>      2. It would be nice to post her slide shows or other A/V material
>>>>> along with the video.
>>>>>      3. We need copies of any handouts, so that they can be scanned and
>>>>> upoaded.
>>>>>      4. To protect all of us, we need to secure written (signed, and
>>>>> dated) permission from
>>>>>          the speaker to record and post her presentation and materials
>>>>> on
>>>>> the web. I know
>>>>>         Joe mentioned that she already gave permission, but I wont take
>>>>> further action until I
>>>>>         see a signed document. As President Ronald Regan said, "trust,
>>>>> but
>>>>> verify."
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope to hear from you guys,
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed."
>>>>>
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:10:28 -0400
>> From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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>> I am sure it varies from campus to campus, but I actually had the option
>> posed to me in regards to paying for a friend to come with me. My study
>> abroad program acted like I could be a potential liability to them, so to
>> make things as convenient as possible they covered the expense of a legal
>> adult to accompany me. This individual did not qualify for the education
>> credits, and I did not even spend all my time with them, but we had a
>> blast.
>>
>> I would not recommend taking your mother on this trip, as this will be a
>> pioneer experience for you. You had approximately eighteen years under
>> your
>> mother, and it is now time for you to make some mistakes and take
>> responsibility.
>>
>> Additionally, you may be able to pull some funding from disability
>> services
>> in regards to the financing of your guide. Obviously your time is running
>> out, so options may be worth while. My disability services cover all my
>> additional expenses on campus, and randomly award me scholarships. They
>> can
>> not use the money for other purposes, so we might as well.
>>
>> Just some ideas.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mandarino
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of priscilla
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 5:34 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>
>> Dear all listers,
>> This is the second time I have this challenge when it cones to studying
>> abroad since the first time I planned it ahead did not work out because of
>> students backing out due to financial circumstances.
>> I already worked out with a friend who was really willing to go abroad
>> with
>> me and she really liked the idea  of going to Israel.
>> This time, I am going to Europe and traveling to Netherlands, Belgium, and
>> Brussels.
>> the dean met with me and my parents because my parents had concerns for me
>> being on the trip since it is the first time I would actually travel with
>> the school not counting the last time I planned another trip because it
>> never happened.
>> my situation is finding a close friend who can go because like I mentioned
>> in previous post, there will be visual tours, lectures, and also I need to
>> Hearn how to deal with being in the hotel.
>> The dean suggested mom going as a result but as a last resort.
>> I don' really like the idea of mom being with me at all times because of
>> the
>> fact that I feel more comfortable being with other friends in social
>> settings, but most of my close friends already graduated so it does not
>> count anymore since they are no longer at school
>> I had a close friend who is going on the trip and although I explained to
>> her my situation, she still wanted to go and was glad to help me, she
>> unfortunately can't go because of family and financial hardships which was
>> pretty sad.
>> I tried talking to other friends to come and did explain my situation and
>> they already know, but again, they couldn't afford to study abroad because
>> of personal issues and the expenses not because they were afraid to help
>> me
>> but they had other more complicated issues and are worse off than I am.
>> I even called my friend Valerie, but unfortunately she couldn't go because
>> she graduated already and she is starting med school pretty soon.
>> I am so frustrated because most of my friends who are glad to help can't
>> unfortunately due to other issues of there own and I have to depend on mom
>> as a last resort.
>> but here is another problem, mom recently transferred to another school to
>> teach and her employer is strict when it comes to long absences from work
>> that are a week's worth or more.
>> She called me up and told me  "I am not sure I I will be able to go
>> because
>> I have to talk to my employer and I don't really think they are willing to
>> give me the days I need to go on this trip with you, but I will get moor
>> information because I would like to go too."
>> I am glad that mom is supporting me on this trip and I thank god 1000
>> times
>> for having grateful parents really and wholeheartedly.
>> but, I am afraid she might interfere with the fact that I have to get used
>> to being with my friends and do other stuff with them as opposed to her
>> being with me all the time.
>> I understand she has very deep concerns but, I just don't feel too
>> comfortable being with mom while all my other friends are on the trip, but
>> this is my last resort since I don't really have anybody else for support.
>> So what do you all listers suggest please because I need to deposit the
>> money as soon as possible and the latest is this coming Monday unless they
>> cancel the trip which I am afraid because not many students are signing up
>> due to a bad economy thanks to president bush's plan for giving other
>> countries millions of dollars to be used in wars.
>> So, please reply to this post with any advice, I really appreciate it.
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> Good day,
>>
>> Priscilla
>> Ps. I am starting to plan some days with my of m instructor to learn how
>> to
>> travel on train because we might use that in Europe, and I am excited to
>> learn but it is very difficult since my classes overlap and I get tutoring
>> for my statistic course 4 days a week and have to use Fridays for projects
>> which I need help in.
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:10:31 -0400
>> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <4383d01d0904241710h7716ec3ew2103d33b65709b27 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I like the idea of someone hired as a guide, but it should be a
>> student going on the trip, not a parent or guardian because it makes
>> us, the blind, look like minors or something above children.  We're
>> not that.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 4/24/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am sure it varies from campus to campus, but I actually had the option
>>> posed to me in regards to paying for a friend to come with me. My study
>>> abroad program acted like I could be a potential liability to them, so to
>>> make things as convenient as possible they covered the expense of a legal
>>> adult to accompany me. This individual did not qualify for the education
>>> credits, and I did not even spend all my time with them, but we had a
>>> blast.
>>>
>>> I would not recommend taking your mother on this trip, as this will be a
>>> pioneer experience for you. You had approximately eighteen years under
>>> your
>>> mother, and it is now time for you to make some mistakes and take
>>> responsibility.
>>>
>>> Additionally, you may be able to pull some funding from disability
>>> services
>>> in regards to the financing of your guide. Obviously your time is running
>>> out, so options may be worth while. My disability services cover all my
>>> additional expenses on campus, and randomly award me scholarships. They
>>> can
>>> not use the money for other purposes, so we might as well.
>>>
>>> Just some ideas.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Mandarino
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of priscilla
>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 5:34 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>>
>>> Dear all listers,
>>> This is the second time I have this challenge when it cones to studying
>>> abroad since the first time I planned it ahead did not work out because
>>> of
>>> students backing out due to financial circumstances.
>>> I already worked out with a friend who was really willing to go abroad
>>> with
>>> me and she really liked the idea  of going to Israel.
>>> This time, I am going to Europe and traveling to Netherlands, Belgium,
>>> and
>>> Brussels.
>>> the dean met with me and my parents because my parents had concerns for
>>> me
>>> being on the trip since it is the first time I would actually travel with
>>> the school not counting the last time I planned another trip because it
>>> never happened.
>>> my situation is finding a close friend who can go because like I
>>> mentioned
>>> in previous post, there will be visual tours, lectures, and also I need
>>> to
>>> Hearn how to deal with being in the hotel.
>>> The dean suggested mom going as a result but as a last resort.
>>> I don' really like the idea of mom being with me at all times because of
>>> the
>>> fact that I feel more comfortable being with other friends in social
>>> settings, but most of my close friends already graduated so it does not
>>> count anymore since they are no longer at school
>>> I had a close friend who is going on the trip and although I explained to
>>> her my situation, she still wanted to go and was glad to help me, she
>>> unfortunately can't go because of family and financial hardships which
>>> was
>>> pretty sad.
>>> I tried talking to other friends to come and did explain my situation and
>>> they already know, but again, they couldn't afford to study abroad
>>> because
>>> of personal issues and the expenses not because they were afraid to help
>>> me
>>> but they had other more complicated issues and are worse off than I am.
>>> I even called my friend Valerie, but unfortunately she couldn't go
>>> because
>>> she graduated already and she is starting med school pretty soon.
>>> I am so frustrated because most of my friends who are glad to help can't
>>> unfortunately due to other issues of there own and I have to depend on
>>> mom
>>> as a last resort.
>>> but here is another problem, mom recently transferred to another school
>>> to
>>> teach and her employer is strict when it comes to long absences from work
>>> that are a week's worth or more.
>>> She called me up and told me  "I am not sure I I will be able to go
>>> because
>>> I have to talk to my employer and I don't really think they are willing
>>> to
>>> give me the days I need to go on this trip with you, but I will get moor
>>> information because I would like to go too."
>>> I am glad that mom is supporting me on this trip and I thank god 1000
>>> times
>>> for having grateful parents really and wholeheartedly.
>>> but, I am afraid she might interfere with the fact that I have to get
>>> used
>>> to being with my friends and do other stuff with them as opposed to her
>>> being with me all the time.
>>> I understand she has very deep concerns but, I just don't feel too
>>> comfortable being with mom while all my other friends are on the trip,
>>> but
>>> this is my last resort since I don't really have anybody else for
>>> support.
>>> So what do you all listers suggest please because I need to deposit the
>>> money as soon as possible and the latest is this coming Monday unless
>>> they
>>> cancel the trip which I am afraid because not many students are signing
>>> up
>>> due to a bad economy thanks to president bush's plan for giving other
>>> countries millions of dollars to be used in wars.
>>> So, please reply to this post with any advice, I really appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much
>>>
>>> Good day,
>>>
>>> Priscilla
>>> Ps. I am starting to plan some days with my of m instructor to learn how
>>> to
>>> travel on train because we might use that in Europe, and I am excited to
>>> learn but it is very difficult since my classes overlap and I get
>>> tutoring
>>> for my statistic course 4 days a week and have to use Fridays for
>>> projects
>>> which I need help in.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:09:50 -0400
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID: <002901c9c542$88faeff0$0301a8c0 at Serene>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>>
>> I agree that it should be a student , not a gardian.  I'm not sure that
>> students going on the trip will necessarily want to help you, however,
>> regardless of being paid, unless they're at least your acquaintances.  My
>> senior year of college, there was a trip to Six Flags Great Adventure.  I
>> asked several senior friends and acquaintances who were going, but nobody
>> wanted to go with me, either cuz of the responsibility of my being blind
>> or,
>> simply, they didn't care about the situation!  I ended up asking a younger
>> friend, who wasn't going originally, to do it and "paid" him, giving him a
>> free ticket the Office of Student Activities gave me to "pay" him.  I know
>> he would've gone with me, even if I didn't pay him, cuz he's
>> international,
>> so has different values than the average sighted American.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>
>>
>>  I like the idea of someone hired as a guide, but it should be a
>>> student going on the trip, not a parent or guardian because it makes
>>> us, the blind, look like minors or something above children.  We're
>>> not that.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 4/24/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am sure it varies from campus to campus, but I actually had the option
>>>> posed to me in regards to paying for a friend to come with me. My study
>>>> abroad program acted like I could be a potential liability to them, so
>>>> to
>>>> make things as convenient as possible they covered the expense of a
>>>> legal
>>>> adult to accompany me. This individual did not qualify for the education
>>>> credits, and I did not even spend all my time with them, but we had a
>>>> blast.
>>>>
>>>> I would not recommend taking your mother on this trip, as this will be a
>>>> pioneer experience for you. You had approximately eighteen years under
>>>> your
>>>> mother, and it is now time for you to make some mistakes and take
>>>> responsibility.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, you may be able to pull some funding from disability
>>>> services
>>>> in regards to the financing of your guide. Obviously your time is
>>>> running
>>>> out, so options may be worth while. My disability services cover all my
>>>> additional expenses on campus, and randomly award me scholarships. They
>>>> can
>>>> not use the money for other purposes, so we might as well.
>>>>
>>>> Just some ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>> Mandarino
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of priscilla
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 5:34 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>>>
>>>> Dear all listers,
>>>> This is the second time I have this challenge when it cones to studying
>>>> abroad since the first time I planned it ahead did not work out because
>>>> of
>>>> students backing out due to financial circumstances.
>>>> I already worked out with a friend who was really willing to go abroad
>>>> with
>>>> me and she really liked the idea  of going to Israel.
>>>> This time, I am going to Europe and traveling to Netherlands, Belgium,
>>>> and
>>>> Brussels.
>>>> the dean met with me and my parents because my parents had concerns for
>>>> me
>>>> being on the trip since it is the first time I would actually travel
>>>> with
>>>> the school not counting the last time I planned another trip because it
>>>> never happened.
>>>> my situation is finding a close friend who can go because like I
>>>> mentioned
>>>> in previous post, there will be visual tours, lectures, and also I need
>>>> to
>>>> Hearn how to deal with being in the hotel.
>>>> The dean suggested mom going as a result but as a last resort.
>>>> I don' really like the idea of mom being with me at all times because of
>>>> the
>>>> fact that I feel more comfortable being with other friends in social
>>>> settings, but most of my close friends already graduated so it does not
>>>> count anymore since they are no longer at school
>>>> I had a close friend who is going on the trip and although I explained
>>>> to
>>>> her my situation, she still wanted to go and was glad to help me, she
>>>> unfortunately can't go because of family and financial hardships which
>>>> was
>>>> pretty sad.
>>>> I tried talking to other friends to come and did explain my situation
>>>> and
>>>> they already know, but again, they couldn't afford to study abroad
>>>> because
>>>> of personal issues and the expenses not because they were afraid to help
>>>> me
>>>> but they had other more complicated issues and are worse off than I am.
>>>> I even called my friend Valerie, but unfortunately she couldn't go
>>>> because
>>>> she graduated already and she is starting med school pretty soon.
>>>> I am so frustrated because most of my friends who are glad to help can't
>>>> unfortunately due to other issues of there own and I have to depend on
>>>> mom
>>>> as a last resort.
>>>> but here is another problem, mom recently transferred to another school
>>>> to
>>>> teach and her employer is strict when it comes to long absences from
>>>> work
>>>> that are a week's worth or more.
>>>> She called me up and told me  "I am not sure I I will be able to go
>>>> because
>>>> I have to talk to my employer and I don't really think they are willing
>>>> to
>>>> give me the days I need to go on this trip with you, but I will get moor
>>>> information because I would like to go too."
>>>> I am glad that mom is supporting me on this trip and I thank god 1000
>>>> times
>>>> for having grateful parents really and wholeheartedly.
>>>> but, I am afraid she might interfere with the fact that I have to get
>>>> used
>>>> to being with my friends and do other stuff with them as opposed to her
>>>> being with me all the time.
>>>> I understand she has very deep concerns but, I just don't feel too
>>>> comfortable being with mom while all my other friends are on the trip,
>>>> but
>>>> this is my last resort since I don't really have anybody else for
>>>> support.
>>>> So what do you all listers suggest please because I need to deposit the
>>>> money as soon as possible and the latest is this coming Monday unless
>>>> they
>>>> cancel the trip which I am afraid because not many students are signing
>>>> up
>>>> due to a bad economy thanks to president bush's plan for giving other
>>>> countries millions of dollars to be used in wars.
>>>> So, please reply to this post with any advice, I really appreciate it.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much
>>>>
>>>> Good day,
>>>>
>>>> Priscilla
>>>> Ps. I am starting to plan some days with my of m instructor to learn how
>>>> to
>>>> travel on train because we might use that in Europe, and I am excited to
>>>> learn but it is very difficult since my classes overlap and I get
>>>> tutoring
>>>> for my statistic course 4 days a week and have to use Fridays for
>>>> projects
>>>> which I need help in.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:31:04 -0400
>> From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <4383d01d0904241831x783c77d5t6e8c1e197ef4635 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Question: how do international peopl have different values than the
>> average sighted American?  This is weird.  I know international
>> students who are very nice and help me whenever I ask for it, but the
>> general sighted public is so self-centered these days.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 4/24/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that it should be a student , not a gardian.  I'm not sure that
>>> students going on the trip will necessarily want to help you, however,
>>> regardless of being paid, unless they're at least your acquaintances.  My
>>> senior year of college, there was a trip to Six Flags Great Adventure.  I
>>> asked several senior friends and acquaintances who were going, but nobody
>>> wanted to go with me, either cuz of the responsibility of my being blind
>>> or,
>>> simply, they didn't care about the situation!  I ended up asking a
>>> younger
>>> friend, who wasn't going originally, to do it and "paid" him, giving him
>>> a
>>> free ticket the Office of Student Activities gave me to "pay" him.  I
>>> know
>>> he would've gone with me, even if I didn't pay him, cuz he's
>>> international,
>>> so has different values than the average sighted American.
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>>
>>>
>>>  I like the idea of someone hired as a guide, but it should be a
>>>> student going on the trip, not a parent or guardian because it makes
>>>> us, the blind, look like minors or something above children.  We're
>>>> not that.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> On 4/24/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am sure it varies from campus to campus, but I actually had the
>>>>> option
>>>>> posed to me in regards to paying for a friend to come with me. My study
>>>>> abroad program acted like I could be a potential liability to them, so
>>>>> to
>>>>> make things as convenient as possible they covered the expense of a
>>>>> legal
>>>>> adult to accompany me. This individual did not qualify for the
>>>>> education
>>>>> credits, and I did not even spend all my time with them, but we had a
>>>>> blast.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not recommend taking your mother on this trip, as this will be
>>>>> a
>>>>> pioneer experience for you. You had approximately eighteen years under
>>>>> your
>>>>> mother, and it is now time for you to make some mistakes and take
>>>>> responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, you may be able to pull some funding from disability
>>>>> services
>>>>> in regards to the financing of your guide. Obviously your time is
>>>>> running
>>>>> out, so options may be worth while. My disability services cover all my
>>>>> additional expenses on campus, and randomly award me scholarships. They
>>>>> can
>>>>> not use the money for other purposes, so we might as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just some ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>> Mandarino
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of priscilla
>>>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 5:34 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all listers,
>>>>> This is the second time I have this challenge when it cones to studying
>>>>> abroad since the first time I planned it ahead did not work out because
>>>>> of
>>>>> students backing out due to financial circumstances.
>>>>> I already worked out with a friend who was really willing to go abroad
>>>>> with
>>>>> me and she really liked the idea  of going to Israel.
>>>>> This time, I am going to Europe and traveling to Netherlands, Belgium,
>>>>> and
>>>>> Brussels.
>>>>> the dean met with me and my parents because my parents had concerns for
>>>>> me
>>>>> being on the trip since it is the first time I would actually travel
>>>>> with
>>>>> the school not counting the last time I planned another trip because it
>>>>> never happened.
>>>>> my situation is finding a close friend who can go because like I
>>>>> mentioned
>>>>> in previous post, there will be visual tours, lectures, and also I need
>>>>> to
>>>>> Hearn how to deal with being in the hotel.
>>>>> The dean suggested mom going as a result but as a last resort.
>>>>> I don' really like the idea of mom being with me at all times because
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> fact that I feel more comfortable being with other friends in social
>>>>> settings, but most of my close friends already graduated so it does not
>>>>> count anymore since they are no longer at school
>>>>> I had a close friend who is going on the trip and although I explained
>>>>> to
>>>>> her my situation, she still wanted to go and was glad to help me, she
>>>>> unfortunately can't go because of family and financial hardships which
>>>>> was
>>>>> pretty sad.
>>>>> I tried talking to other friends to come and did explain my situation
>>>>> and
>>>>> they already know, but again, they couldn't afford to study abroad
>>>>> because
>>>>> of personal issues and the expenses not because they were afraid to
>>>>> help
>>>>> me
>>>>> but they had other more complicated issues and are worse off than I am.
>>>>> I even called my friend Valerie, but unfortunately she couldn't go
>>>>> because
>>>>> she graduated already and she is starting med school pretty soon.
>>>>> I am so frustrated because most of my friends who are glad to help
>>>>> can't
>>>>> unfortunately due to other issues of there own and I have to depend on
>>>>> mom
>>>>> as a last resort.
>>>>> but here is another problem, mom recently transferred to another school
>>>>> to
>>>>> teach and her employer is strict when it comes to long absences from
>>>>> work
>>>>> that are a week's worth or more.
>>>>> She called me up and told me  "I am not sure I I will be able to go
>>>>> because
>>>>> I have to talk to my employer and I don't really think they are willing
>>>>> to
>>>>> give me the days I need to go on this trip with you, but I will get
>>>>> moor
>>>>> information because I would like to go too."
>>>>> I am glad that mom is supporting me on this trip and I thank god 1000
>>>>> times
>>>>> for having grateful parents really and wholeheartedly.
>>>>> but, I am afraid she might interfere with the fact that I have to get
>>>>> used
>>>>> to being with my friends and do other stuff with them as opposed to her
>>>>> being with me all the time.
>>>>> I understand she has very deep concerns but, I just don't feel too
>>>>> comfortable being with mom while all my other friends are on the trip,
>>>>> but
>>>>> this is my last resort since I don't really have anybody else for
>>>>> support.
>>>>> So what do you all listers suggest please because I need to deposit the
>>>>> money as soon as possible and the latest is this coming Monday unless
>>>>> they
>>>>> cancel the trip which I am afraid because not many students are signing
>>>>> up
>>>>> due to a bad economy thanks to president bush's plan for giving other
>>>>> countries millions of dollars to be used in wars.
>>>>> So, please reply to this post with any advice, I really appreciate it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much
>>>>>
>>>>> Good day,
>>>>>
>>>>> Priscilla
>>>>> Ps. I am starting to plan some days with my of m instructor to learn
>>>>> how
>>>>> to
>>>>> travel on train because we might use that in Europe, and I am excited
>>>>> to
>>>>> learn but it is very difficult since my classes overlap and I get
>>>>> tutoring
>>>>> for my statistic course 4 days a week and have to use Fridays for
>>>>> projects
>>>>> which I need help in.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:23:57 -0400
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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>> I just meant that the international students I knew didn't treat me any
>> differently just cuz I'm blind.  True, they were sometimes more
>> overprotective, but they never didn't want to help me.  My friend who went
>> with me on the trip was shocked when he asked me if I'd found anyone else
>> to
>> go with and I said I hadn't.  He simply thought that my sighted classmates
>> would want to help me out with the trip just cuz they were my friends or
>> acquaintances.  This proved not to be the case.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 9:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>
>>
>>  Question: how do international peopl have different values than the
>>> average sighted American?  This is weird.  I know international
>>> students who are very nice and help me whenever I ask for it, but the
>>> general sighted public is so self-centered these days.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 4/24/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that it should be a student , not a gardian.  I'm not sure that
>>>> students going on the trip will necessarily want to help you, however,
>>>> regardless of being paid, unless they're at least your acquaintances. My
>>>> senior year of college, there was a trip to Six Flags Great Adventure. I
>>>> asked several senior friends and acquaintances who were going, but
>>>> nobody
>>>> wanted to go with me, either cuz of the responsibility of my being blind
>>>> or,
>>>> simply, they didn't care about the situation!  I ended up asking a
>>>> younger
>>>> friend, who wasn't going originally, to do it and "paid" him, giving him
>>>> a
>>>> free ticket the Office of Student Activities gave me to "pay" him.  I
>>>> know
>>>> he would've gone with me, even if I didn't pay him, cuz he's
>>>> international,
>>>> so has different values than the average sighted American.
>>>>
>>>> Serena
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] studying abroad advise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I like the idea of someone hired as a guide, but it should be a
>>>>> student going on the trip, not a parent or guardian because it makes
>>>>> us, the blind, look like minors or something above children.  We're
>>>>> not that.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/24/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sure it varies from campus to campus, but I actually had the
>>>>>> option
>>>>>> posed to me in regards to paying for a friend to come with me. My
>>>>>> study
>>>>>> abroad program acted like I could be a potential liability to them, so
>>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>
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