[nabs-l] Conference call- Election discussion forum

[Jedi]

Joseph and List:

Personally, I think we can find a much better way of communicating with 
each other than what's been going on. No one is purposefully swiping at 
anyone and as far as I'm concerned, there's no good reason for people 
to get any more upset over this issue. No one has any reason or will to 
rip this organization apart. Sure, people are frustrated with this 
year's elections, but I think that's really it.

As to the conference call itself, there is nothing wrong with taking a 
closer look at the election that took place as a template and 
discussion point for where we can go. However, this tit for tat stuff 
has to stop. No one is hiding anything, trying to shut anyone down, or 
otherwise willfully acting in a way unbecoming of federationists.

In short, I suggest we knock this crap off and start acting like 
adults. Yes, there is supposed to be some discussion of when the 
meeting is to take place. If however, no time works for you (whomever 
is reading this), that's not our fault simply because we are trying to 
accommodate everyone the best we can. I'm sorry if we can't accommodate 
everyone exactly this time around. That's just life. However, I don't 
see why a secondary focus group can't be had if there are enough people 
who can't attend this one.

Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
> Joe,

> You need to read my message again.  My issue is not with the board,
> it is with Antonio.  I've been TRYING TO STOP people who have the
> stated intention of ripping this organization apart.

> I have received little or no support from the organization, who has
> largely blamed me for the controversy's existence.  You people need
> to figure out who does and who doesn't have the best interest of this
> organization in mind.

> The time was TENTATIVELY SET because there was supposed to be
> discussion here on the list as to whether or not it could or should
> be moved to accommodate anyone who cannot make it at that time.  But
> it seems that this list would rather take personal swipes at the
> board, at me, and at anyone who actually wants a solution.  Either
> that or just ignore the whole thing.

> Ever increasingly disappointed,
> Joseph


> On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 03:48:43PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote:
>> Joseph,

>> Rather than bitch about how the board could not work its schedule around
>> your availability, why don't you offer your suggestion so that people
>> participating in the call can discuss its merits?  It seems far simpler than
>> using this situation to deliver an indirect blow at the board.  I think
>> you're a good guy, hence my being so straightforward with you.

>> Joe Orozco

>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter
>> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 1:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Conference call- Election discussion forum

>> The problem's pretty well established at this point: The
>> election was a mess, and we need a way to ensure that
>> registered members vote, and that they get the same vote
>> everyone else gets to prevent a screaming contest and ensure an
>> accurate count.

>> I asked to participate in this call because I want to ensure
>> that our next election is not the embarrassment to the entire
>> Federation that I believe our last one to have been.  Of
>> course, it appears that it will be held at the one time in a
>> two week span that I simply cannot participate.  Rather than
>> discuss a possibility of a time when I could, you're trying to
>> start a war against the board.  Good luck accomplishing
>> anything that way.

>> I expect nothing will be accomplished this way, so perhaps it
>> is no great loss for me to be excluded.

>> Increasingly disappointed,
>> Joseph


>> On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:49:37AM -0400, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>> Joseph,

>>> How can I talk about solutions to a problem, if I don't identify the
>>> problem.

>>> How do I not address what happened in the election process, if I am
>>> meeting to make sure those things don't happen again?

>>> I understand about being positive, and constructive, but expect me to
>>> have some measured criticism, and suggestions for solutions at the
>>> meeting.

>>> Sincerely,

>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.



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