From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Tue Dec  1 23:13:49 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:13:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
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Hi Carry. It's Jason from buddy camp. I got your email on the NABS 
list. I think that sense sighted people wrote the cartoons to joke 
about blind people, then it is offensive to a blind person. On the 
other hand at camp or at convention when your with a bunch of blind, 
then it's funny to tell jokes like that. Just like you sead if you are 
laughing with a blind person about a joke about a blind person, then 
it's fine. If a sighted person made a joke about a blind person, then I 
would take it as an insalt. I hope Jordan can take his stattistics 
test. Tell him that I wish him good luck. How's life ben going? I am 
enjoying eighth grade. My favorite class is Social Studies. We are 
learning about American history, which is especially important because 
it is the history of our country and where we came from. I am taking 
algebra, which is fun too. I am taking Spanish, and the Spanish program 
on my braille note is working well for me. I am really enjoying the 
NABS list because it is a good way to connect with other blind people 
like me, and to learn and ask questions about things that I've 
experienced, and things I want to know about. Are you going to be at 
the Washington seminarr this year? I think I might go down just for the 
first day for the NABS seminar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Hi Di, and all,

I also choose battles or pick them as is said. And this is one I pick. I
personally find that response rather interesting and somewhat 
perplexing.
Also the oft repeated "just live as I am that is the best example" as 
if you
must choose one or the other. In some ways to me I respectfully submit 
those
are cop-outs. It only took a small amount of my time to point out the 
harm &
falseness in it, I did not get twisted in knots and freaked out or think
about it for days or even hours. This post right here I will spend 
about ten
or so minutes...it also helps me to write/analyze/ponder...then it is
done...moving on.

I wonder how you would react if your own picture was cut and pasted 
into the
cartoon, would it be worth the time to speak a few educational words 
about
it? Would it be less funny then? To me every blind person I know could 
have
been cut and pasted into the cartoon. There is a vast difference to me
between laughing at you and with you.

I wonder if a cartoon had a black farmer sitting eating a watermelon and
fried chicken and the turkeys expressing "Whew! What a relief" if that 
would
also be understandably funny and not worth mentioning.

Here are a few paragraphs from the letter I once sent to the Wash post 
to a
very famous cartoonist there about his stereotypical use of a blind
caricature, the letter is just too long to post the entire thing, but I 
got
a personal response and the cartoonist learned something and will never
again I can assure you portray either a blind person or some other group
with out thinking of the message.

"These things (false ideas) create most of the problems he must deal 
with as
a blind person. If you are blind it is easy to get someone inspired 
(just
cross the street on your own!) but not so easy to get hired.

  The much bigger problems of a near 75% unemployment rate for the blind 
and
a near 90% of our blind children failing to learn Braille, and so 
losing the
chance to really read, stem from the seeds constantly sewn by the
perpetuation of the idea portrayed in your cartoon: Since the blind 
cannot
see it logically means they cannot know cannot discern.  Indeed it is 
in our
very language. If I say, "I see!" You think me to mean, everyone thinks 
me
to mean, I understand.

You are not alone Mr. Toles. HBO put out an advertisement for The 
Sopranos
last year using actors portraying blind men with the same message. The 
blind
can not see, therefore they do not know, can not discern. I wrote the 
CEO of
Time Warner. I told him how this false idea cost people like my son real
jobs among other things.  He responded. The ad was pulled.

A few months ago CBS news did a feature on a man who had been a barber 
all
his life. When he lost his vision he continued with his work.  He didn't
accept that a tragedy had occurred to him and he needed to give up his 
life.
He found a new way to continue his old life. Rather than give this man 
even
the regular respect you would think he was due, Ms. Katie Couric and the
reporter who did the story cracked jokes about him at the desk after the
story ran-on the national news. She said something like, good thing he
wasn't a surgeon before he lost his sight-uproarious laughter. GAWD, I
wonder how he felt sitting there probably watching the broadcast with 
his
family. Where was the public outcry? There was none.

Flipping channels one recent late night I happened to flip to Conan 
O'Brien.
Not at all my taste, can't even understand how he keeps his job, but I
stopped flipping briefly because he was having a joke at the expense of 
the
blind. It was about the blind bowler who got all strikes in a game. 
There
was some crack about if he was sure he was in a bowling alley. Ha, ha, 
ha.
Garrison Keillor and Jay Lenno crack a few blind jokes of their own 
once in
awhile too. Who notices? How many people laugh and think the jokes are
understandable? There was a time when white people thought jokes about 
black
people were not the stereotypes and falsehoods recognized today, they
thought the jokes were funny and understandable. Unfortunately some 
still
do. How does one unravel the history of a false idea? One thread at a 
time.

This week my son's biggest problem is that last fall he registered and 
was
accepted to receive accommodations for testing from the College Board. 
The
God of standardized testing. He was to take the AP Statistics exam and
receive it in Braille the same time as his peers on or about May 5th. 
There
had been a momentum of study sessions up to the test. His Braille did 
not
come. A comedy of errors and claims by the College Board ensued. After 
many
calls and differing claims by the College Board but no action I called 
with
my lawyer on Thursday. On Friday we were again told it had been sent. 
He has
lost the momentum the other students had. The group study sessions are 
long
over. He has had other year end finals and large projects this month. He
just wants to take the test. We'll wait to find out if it arrives on
Tuesday.  He's got bigger problems than your cartoon. But I think they 
are
woven from the same thread. There is a lack of respect for the blind. I
couldn't help myself from pulling out the loose one I read this 
morning."



Sincerely,

Carrie


-----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Ya know Carrie,
I have found that I have to choose the battles I fight.
A very good friend of mine sent the same cartoon to me, mostly because 
I
love cows.  I took it with a grain of salt and giggled.
Di
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon


> Geetings,
>
> A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five
> cartoons
> and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon
> showed
> this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle 
was
> crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out 
forward
> but
> not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a 
bit, he
> appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a 
caption
> above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".
>
>
>
> Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the 
cartoon
> might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated 
humor
> are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and 
once
> wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal 
which I
> thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder 
how
> important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of 
such
> things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what 
I
> think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only 
one
> they
> have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found 
this
> 'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer
>
>
>
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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 01:21:32 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:21:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
In-Reply-To: <8CC40F31308CDDB-412C-DC6E@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4b15c121.0f0bca0a.21a7.1bf3@mx.google.com>

Hi Jason,
It is good to hear from you and I am so glad you are on this list. I have
noticed your posts before. You have many good mentors here and peers to be
comrades with and also I think young thoughtful smart people like yourself
have much to give, even to your "elders", smile.

As far as the cartoon goes, I do not think it matters in the end who made
the cartoon, I mean I have known blind people who would/could have come up
with the same joke. That to me would be worse possibly though. To me it is
harmful and hurtful whether a sighted person made it to joke about the blind
or a blind person made it to do the same. Here is why:

First let me say that I think the largest sign of emotional health and
sanity is the ability to laugh at yourself, truly to laugh. But is that
cartoon really a portrayal of you? Are you so unaware Jason that standing in
the midst of a group of turkeys (and this was a farmer in the cartoon so it
was his own turkeys in the cartoon) if they just made a different animal
sound you would be fooled? Is sight the only way to tell something or to not
be easily fooled? If it is true about you then laugh at yourself and I will
laugh with you. But if it is not true at all, not a picture of how it is to
be blind, then you are not laughing at yourself as a blind person, cuz that
is not how it is. You are laughing at a false portrayal that goes back
thousands of years and the idea of it which is still today at the heart of
the public's (including teachers, neighbors, relatives, employers)
discrimination and fears. If you are going to laugh at yourself laugh at
something true.

In France, just before Louis Braille was a man who "discovered" that blind
people could be taught to read and he started a school there. It is the
school that Louis went to. How he got interested in the blind was that they
all lived in an isolated terrible place and had to beg for money. Then the
blind people who lived there found a way to earn money for them selves by
making an entertainment circus which made complete fun of themselves. Do you
think this helped the French at that time learn the truth about blindness or
what blind people were capable of? (I do not blame the blind for trying
anything! I might well have been one of them had I been one of them.) When
this teacher saw the blind making fun of themselves like that he actually
got physically sick and vomited. I feel the same way. His name was Valentin
Hauy.

The reason people laugh is because they think it is understandable. That is
a very key point. People do not laugh or find humor in things that do not
make sense to them. I do not think it is funny that any people find that
portrayal of blindness understandable. It is nonsense to me. 

Do not worry about Jordan I wrote the letter to the famous cartoonist a year
ago. He took the test finally, although he got an old outdated test, not the
current one his sighted peers had taken. He is now a freshman in college
here and loving it. We are all well. I think of you often with fondness. I
have no surprise at all that you love Social Studies. I still say you should
study and try and enter a geography bee, smile.

I am so proud of how you are growing up. 
 
Carrie 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Polansky
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:14 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Hi Carry. It's Jason from buddy camp. I got your email on the NABS 
list. I think that sense sighted people wrote the cartoons to joke 
about blind people, then it is offensive to a blind person. On the 
other hand at camp or at convention when your with a bunch of blind, 
then it's funny to tell jokes like that. Just like you sead if you are 
laughing with a blind person about a joke about a blind person, then 
it's fine. If a sighted person made a joke about a blind person, then I 
would take it as an insalt. I hope Jordan can take his stattistics 
test. Tell him that I wish him good luck. How's life ben going? I am 
enjoying eighth grade. My favorite class is Social Studies. We are 
learning about American history, which is especially important because 
it is the history of our country and where we came from. I am taking 
algebra, which is fun too. I am taking Spanish, and the Spanish program 
on my braille note is working well for me. I am really enjoying the 
NABS list because it is a good way to connect with other blind people 
like me, and to learn and ask questions about things that I've 
experienced, and things I want to know about. Are you going to be at 
the Washington seminarr this year? I think I might go down just for the 
first day for the NABS seminar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Hi Di, and all,

I also choose battles or pick them as is said. And this is one I pick. I
personally find that response rather interesting and somewhat 
perplexing.
Also the oft repeated "just live as I am that is the best example" as 
if you
must choose one or the other. In some ways to me I respectfully submit 
those
are cop-outs. It only took a small amount of my time to point out the 
harm &
falseness in it, I did not get twisted in knots and freaked out or think
about it for days or even hours. This post right here I will spend 
about ten
or so minutes...it also helps me to write/analyze/ponder...then it is
done...moving on.

I wonder how you would react if your own picture was cut and pasted 
into the
cartoon, would it be worth the time to speak a few educational words 
about
it? Would it be less funny then? To me every blind person I know could 
have
been cut and pasted into the cartoon. There is a vast difference to me
between laughing at you and with you.

I wonder if a cartoon had a black farmer sitting eating a watermelon and
fried chicken and the turkeys expressing "Whew! What a relief" if that 
would
also be understandably funny and not worth mentioning.

Here are a few paragraphs from the letter I once sent to the Wash post 
to a
very famous cartoonist there about his stereotypical use of a blind
caricature, the letter is just too long to post the entire thing, but I 
got
a personal response and the cartoonist learned something and will never
again I can assure you portray either a blind person or some other group
with out thinking of the message.

"These things (false ideas) create most of the problems he must deal 
with as
a blind person. If you are blind it is easy to get someone inspired 
(just
cross the street on your own!) but not so easy to get hired.

  The much bigger problems of a near 75% unemployment rate for the blind 
and
a near 90% of our blind children failing to learn Braille, and so 
losing the
chance to really read, stem from the seeds constantly sewn by the
perpetuation of the idea portrayed in your cartoon: Since the blind 
cannot
see it logically means they cannot know cannot discern.  Indeed it is 
in our
very language. If I say, "I see!" You think me to mean, everyone thinks 
me
to mean, I understand.

You are not alone Mr. Toles. HBO put out an advertisement for The 
Sopranos
last year using actors portraying blind men with the same message. The 
blind
can not see, therefore they do not know, can not discern. I wrote the 
CEO of
Time Warner. I told him how this false idea cost people like my son real
jobs among other things.  He responded. The ad was pulled.

A few months ago CBS news did a feature on a man who had been a barber 
all
his life. When he lost his vision he continued with his work.  He didn't
accept that a tragedy had occurred to him and he needed to give up his 
life.
He found a new way to continue his old life. Rather than give this man 
even
the regular respect you would think he was due, Ms. Katie Couric and the
reporter who did the story cracked jokes about him at the desk after the
story ran-on the national news. She said something like, good thing he
wasn't a surgeon before he lost his sight-uproarious laughter. GAWD, I
wonder how he felt sitting there probably watching the broadcast with 
his
family. Where was the public outcry? There was none.

Flipping channels one recent late night I happened to flip to Conan 
O'Brien.
Not at all my taste, can't even understand how he keeps his job, but I
stopped flipping briefly because he was having a joke at the expense of 
the
blind. It was about the blind bowler who got all strikes in a game. 
There
was some crack about if he was sure he was in a bowling alley. Ha, ha, 
ha.
Garrison Keillor and Jay Lenno crack a few blind jokes of their own 
once in
awhile too. Who notices? How many people laugh and think the jokes are
understandable? There was a time when white people thought jokes about 
black
people were not the stereotypes and falsehoods recognized today, they
thought the jokes were funny and understandable. Unfortunately some 
still
do. How does one unravel the history of a false idea? One thread at a 
time.

This week my son's biggest problem is that last fall he registered and 
was
accepted to receive accommodations for testing from the College Board. 
The
God of standardized testing. He was to take the AP Statistics exam and
receive it in Braille the same time as his peers on or about May 5th. 
There
had been a momentum of study sessions up to the test. His Braille did 
not
come. A comedy of errors and claims by the College Board ensued. After 
many
calls and differing claims by the College Board but no action I called 
with
my lawyer on Thursday. On Friday we were again told it had been sent. 
He has
lost the momentum the other students had. The group study sessions are 
long
over. He has had other year end finals and large projects this month. He
just wants to take the test. We'll wait to find out if it arrives on
Tuesday.  He's got bigger problems than your cartoon. But I think they 
are
woven from the same thread. There is a lack of respect for the blind. I
couldn't help myself from pulling out the loose one I read this 
morning."



Sincerely,

Carrie


-----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Ya know Carrie,
I have found that I have to choose the battles I fight.
A very good friend of mine sent the same cartoon to me, mostly because 
I
love cows.  I took it with a grain of salt and giggled.
Di
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon


> Geetings,
>
> A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five
> cartoons
> and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon
> showed
> this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle 
was
> crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out 
forward
> but
> not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a 
bit, he
> appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a 
caption
> above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".
>
>
>
> Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the 
cartoon
> might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated 
humor
> are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and 
once
> wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal 
which I
> thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder 
how
> important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of 
such
> things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what 
I
> think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only 
one
> they
> have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found 
this
> 'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From vpbraille at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 05:05:33 2009
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:05:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic College Textbooks
Message-ID: <001a01ca730d$14f0b990$3ed22cb0$@com>

Hi  I am trying to understand the trend/future of college textbooks for
Braille readers who use braillenotes and zoomtext. What do most people
request from the college's alternative media department for textbooks other
than math and science . Pdf files, Microsoft word files, Braille, audio.?
How does the college handle math books and science books?

 

Thanks 

Valerie


From stevemax83 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 07:13:24 2009
From: stevemax83 at yahoo.com (Steven Max-Faults)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:13:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca730d$14f0b990$3ed22cb0$@com>
Message-ID: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>





Hello All,

 

I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at Harvard,
concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies include
reading, traveling, and taking long walks. 

 

I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few friends in
New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the few of us
here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” and I’m
not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope this ok!
I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!

 

Best,

Steven

Steven Max-Faults



SteveMax83 at yahoo.com

917-865-6953 (Mobile)


      

From stevemax83 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 07:31:50 2009
From: stevemax83 at yahoo.com (Steven Max-Faults)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:31:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca730d$14f0b990$3ed22cb0$@com>
Message-ID: <843365.17166.qm@web113807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>





Hi Valerie,

 

I do read Braille and I use a BrailleNote, but I use Jaws
rather than ZoomText on the computer! For almost all of my textbooks and course
materials, I request electronic copies in MS Word. I sometimes request Braille
for French, and always audio versions in addition to electronic copies for
novels and Shakespeare! (Although, I have usually gotten the audio on my own.)

 

I do know that readers are difficult to obtain, and they are
usually not even necessary. But, I think they are sometimes employed for certain
courses, such as Arabic classes.

 

I have been lucky to avoid Math thus far, but I must take Stats
next year. I have a choice of Nemeth or Latex. I don’t know anything about
Latex, so I’ll have to find out how difficult it would be to learn. 

 

Hope this was helpful! I’m wondering about everyone else?

 

Best,

Steven

Steven Max-Faults



SteveMax83 at yahoo.com

917-865-6953 (Mobile)

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Valerie Perry <vpbraille at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Valerie Perry <vpbraille at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic College Textbooks
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 12:05 AM

Hi  I am trying to understand the trend/future of college textbooks for
Braille readers who use braillenotes and zoomtext. What do most people
request from the college's alternative media department for textbooks other
than math and science . Pdf files, Microsoft word files, Braille, audio.?
How does the college handle math books and science books?

 

Thanks 

Valerie

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From noreply at serotek.com  Wed Dec  2 08:06:00 2009
From: noreply at serotek.com (Serotek Announcements)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:06:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Season's Meetings from Serotek
Message-ID: <auto-000129240780@mailfront1.g2host.com>


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From agrima at nbp.org  Wed Dec  2 08:08:58 2009
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:08:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NBP-Announce: Gift Ideas from NBP: the Tao Te Ching
Message-ID: <auto-000129241168@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Each day this week, we're presenting new gift ideas - for adults and
kids alike - from our gift-giving flyer. We'll return to our usual email
schedule next week.

Tao Te Ching
Translated by Stephen Mitchell
In braille or PortaBook (braille file on CD or download), $10.95

No, this is not the Pooh edition of Tao - this is the real deal. The Tao
Te Ching (pronounced Dow Deh Jing), written over 2,500 years ago, ranks
only behind the Bible as the most widely translated book in the world.
Short enough to read in an afternoon, subtle enough to study for a
lifetime, the Tao Te Ching distills centuries of spiritual inquiry into
the Tao - the universal life force that flows around and through all
things.

The Tao finds strength through flexibility; achieves goals by
transcending obstacles; believes that small changes bring powerful
results. Wrote one reader, "At the end of the day, this volume has often
been the source of the tiny bit of sanity that makes the next day
possible."

Order gift copies today at:
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/TAO.html


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From info at michaelhingson.com  Wed Dec  2 08:30:47 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:30:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] KnfbReader Mobile END OF YEAR CELEBRATION
Message-ID: <auto-000129673644@mailfront2.g2host.com>

KnfbReader Mobile END OF YEAR CELEBRATION

Greetings all,

We are finishing our first year of providing the KnfbReader Mobile to the
blind of the Nation.  KNFB Technologies has told me and our NFB board that
at present we are #1 in sales in the world.  This is, I believe, due to our
technical support of the Reader and our ability to provide the Readers at
good prices and most of all to you who recognize the value of the Reader.

To celebrate our first year's accomplishments we are offering some end of
year special pricing to anyone who wishes to purchase a KnfbReader by the
end of 2009.  If you purchase a KnfbReader from The Michael Hingson Group or
any of its dealers on or before December 31, 2009 you can take advantage of
these special prices.

	1.  Purchase a KnfbReader Mobile including a Nokia N82 and either
Talks or MobileSpeak at $100 off our normal price and get the package for
$1,495.00 plus shipping.  We have plenty of Nokia N82s and can get more.
Even though Nokia has discontinued this product we have access to them for
now.  Because of your faith and the buying power you have given us this year
we have unique access to this hardware in the US for the best price
anywhere.

If you would rather have the new Nokia N86 you can buy the KnfbReader Mobile
using this platform, again including either Talks or MobileSpeak, but now
get $150 off our regular price and get the entire package for $1,620.00 plus
shipping.

As always you get full support and one year of software upgrades.  Each unit
comes fully integrated and ready for you to use.

We offer some accessories including extended batteries for the Nokia N82,
Bluetooth headsets, and WayFinder Access GPS.  Feel free to ask about these
items when calling or emailing with questions or to place an order.

Remember, to qualify for the special end of year prices you must place your
order by the end of December 31, 2009.  If you want your KnfbReader Mobile
in time for Christmas please order by December 15.  We will work with state
agencies and other organizations to accommodate their purchasing procedures
so they may also take advantage of this special pricing.

Thank you all for the support you have given us this year.  I and the entire
team appreciate all your questions and assistance in spreading the word
about the NFB KnfbReader Mobile sales project.  We will continue to provide
all the support we can as we move into next year.  As new phones and new
Reader features become available you can be assured that we will assist you
in getting your questions answered as well as in insuring that you have the
best products available.  Please visit our web site,
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com,  to keep up with the latest
information about the Reader.


Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all,


Mike Hingson

The Michael Hingson Group
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com




From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 11:05:31 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:05:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
References: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004101ca733f$5f3c4640$2e01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi Steven!
Welcome to the list!
My name is Rania,
I am attending classes at Institute for Therapeutic Massage in NJ in order 
to finish up the classes I need in order to become a massage therapist sinse 
the program at my local community college didn't work out fofr me!
I wanted to take the time out to update everyone on how I am doing!
I am doing vary well!
My instructors are vary supportive and really feel that I am going to make 
it this time!
I am the fifth blind student to go threw the program and the second blind 
student for my insturctors to teach.
I really feel that I am going to make it with there incurrigement! I am 
really enjoying helping my classmates with learning the muscles!
I hope you enjoy your stay here and look forward to more posts from you!
Rania,
"For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
See you at the finish line."
~Christopher Reeve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:13 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!


>
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at Harvard,
> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies 
> include
> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>
>
>
> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few friends 
> in
> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the few 
> of us
> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” and 
> I’m
> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope 
> this ok!
> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Steven
>
> Steven Max-Faults
>
>
>
> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>
> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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> 



From agrima at nbp.org  Wed Dec  2 15:11:09 2009
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:11:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tao Te Ching in braille
Message-ID: <A0AC8B9317094D80A2D682F7BB2ED811@nbp2.local>

Here's a new gift book idea from NBP.
-Tony Grima, NBP

Tao Te Ching
Translated by Stephen Mitchell
In braille or PortaBook (braille file on CD or download), $10.95

No, this is not the Pooh edition of Tao - this is the real deal. The Tao
Te Ching (pronounced Dow Deh Jing), written over 2,500 years ago, ranks
only behind the Bible as the most widely translated book in the world.
Short enough to read in an afternoon, subtle enough to study for a
lifetime, the Tao Te Ching distills centuries of spiritual inquiry into
the Tao - the universal life force that flows around and through all
things. 

The Tao finds strength through flexibility; achieves goals by
transcending obstacles; believes that small changes bring powerful
results. Wrote one reader, "At the end of the day, this volume has often
been the source of the tiny bit of sanity that makes the next day
possible."

Order gift copies today at:
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/TAO.html


******
To order any books, send payment to:
NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext
20. Or order any of our books online at
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html .




From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 15:21:35 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 07:21:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
In-Reply-To: <004101ca733f$5f3c4640$2e01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<004101ca733f$5f3c4640$2e01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912020721t79e2f1bbi6e16251da130b619@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Steven,
 Welcome to the national Association of Blind Students (nabs)
Listserve of  the National Federation of the Blind(nfb).
  My  name Is Darian Smith and I currently serve as a board member on
the  nabs national board as well as   membership  co-chair.
   I am from San Francisco, Ca and I go to City College of San
Francisco.  I am currently working twards transfer to a "4-year
institution" so i can earn an undergrad degree in recreation and
potentially a masters in orientation and mobility.
   I would like to welcome you on behalf of the rest of the  students
on this list, from all different backgrounds and interests, State
student presidents and their boards and  the national student board to
nabs and this list.
 I know you will learn alot here and teach us alot as well, as  life
is just that, equil parts learning from  each other and  teaching each
other.
 Should you have any questions, please feel free to ask anyone.  As
well, I want to extend the  invitation to contact me should  youhave
any  questions as well, and i'll do my best to answer as well.
 my E-mail address is  dsmithnfb at gmail.com
   have a great day,
  Darian

On 12/2/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Steven!
> Welcome to the list!
> My name is Rania,
> I am attending classes at Institute for Therapeutic Massage in NJ in order
> to finish up the classes I need in order to become a massage therapist sinse
> the program at my local community college didn't work out fofr me!
> I wanted to take the time out to update everyone on how I am doing!
> I am doing vary well!
> My instructors are vary supportive and really feel that I am going to make
> it this time!
> I am the fifth blind student to go threw the program and the second blind
> student for my insturctors to teach.
> I really feel that I am going to make it with there incurrigement! I am
> really enjoying helping my classmates with learning the muscles!
> I hope you enjoy your stay here and look forward to more posts from you!
> Rania,
> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> See you at the finish line."
> ~Christopher Reeve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:13 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
>> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at Harvard,
>> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies
>> include
>> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
>> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few friends
>>
>> in
>> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the few
>> of us
>> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” and
>> I’m
>> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope
>> this ok!
>> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> Steven Max-Faults
>>
>>
>>
>> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>>
>> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>


-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 15:35:37 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:35:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
In-Reply-To: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <001a01ca730d$14f0b990$3ed22cb0$@com>
	<226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4b16893f.9415f10a.5d71.421e@mx.google.com>

Hi Steven, 

Welcome to the Nabs list. My name is Liz Bottner, and I currently live in
Delaware. I did attend college out of state for the first two years, in
upstate New York, at Ithaca College. What part of New York are you
originally from? 

I graduated with my undergrad about two years ago and am trying for grad
school for a masters in teaching blind students and also adult
rehabilitation. 

Take care, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask on list. We'll be
happy to answer them. Also, feel free to contact me off list at the email
address listed in my signature below. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 16:19:42 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:19:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
References: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7B8FC4CF74E64EED9962F160B9B1F292@Dezman>

Glad to have you on the list Steven.  My name is Dezman and I'm in Grad 
school at Louisiana Tech University.  Feel free to jump in at any time we 
all love to learn from each other.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:13 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!


>
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at Harvard,
> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies 
> include
> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>
>
>
> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few friends 
> in
> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the few 
> of us
> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” and 
> I’m
> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope 
> this ok!
> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Steven
>
> Steven Max-Faults
>
>
>
> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>
> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 21:15:45 2009
From: jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com (Jessica Kostiw)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:15:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
References: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<7B8FC4CF74E64EED9962F160B9B1F292@Dezman>
Message-ID: <AB1C952282094614AA96CB6C1E1133CC@Jessica>

Desmond, since when are you in grad school in Ruston?  What are you 
studying?

I probably should have written off list, but I also do have a question for 
the list.  A while back someone inquired about Eddie Timantes (don't know 
how to spell his last name) the blind jeopardy contestant.  The question was 
unnoticed, but I ask again if anyone knows where he is now.  Whoever, posed 
the question mentioned that he lived in Reston Virginia.  I am about to move 
there and would like to ask him some questions if anyone has his contact 
info.

Secondly... At pretty much every convention I have been to there has been a 
blind recruiter from the FBI named Mike.  Does anyone have any of his 
contact information?  I am sorry I know this is really vague...

Lol!  My entire message is probably disjointed... got home from work early 
today and am falling asleep on this rainy day.

Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!

Jessica Kostiw
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!


> Glad to have you on the list Steven.  My name is Dezman and I'm in Grad 
> school at Louisiana Tech University.  Feel free to jump in at any time we 
> all love to learn from each other.
>
> Dezman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:13 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
>> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at 
>> Harvard,
>> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies 
>> include
>> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
>> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few 
>> friends in
>> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the few 
>> of us
>> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” and 
>> I’m
>> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope 
>> this ok!
>> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> Steven Max-Faults
>>
>>
>>
>> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>>
>> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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> 



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 23:13:57 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:13:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help with RFB Audio Plus and FS Reader
Message-ID: <4D7C8ABBE26C4607A9D0FCF21930980F@Rufus>

Hi,

I recall sometime ago there was a discussion about RFB and its Audio Plus
program.  I'm hoping someone can help me figure out how to more quickly
unpack the books I've downloaded.  I used the Download Manager software to
get the books into my RFB folder.  The books appear to have finished
downloading, but now I have a long list of zip folders.  FS Reader won't
recognize the titles.  I suppose I could go through and extract each zip
folder, which I'll do, but is there a way for either FS Reader or the
Download Manager to process these files automatically?  Thanks in advance
for any help.

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crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  3 15:52:28 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 10:52:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
Message-ID: <23786735.1259855548793.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Jessica,
I believe Eddie Temanis still lives in our area, either Reston or Arlington.  Last I heard he worked for USA today.  I will let you know if I have more information.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jessica Kostiw <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
>Sent: Dec 2, 2009 4:15 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>
>Desmond, since when are you in grad school in Ruston?  What are you 
>studying?
>
>I probably should have written off list, but I also do have a question for 
>the list.  A while back someone inquired about Eddie Timantes (don't know 
>how to spell his last name) the blind jeopardy contestant.  The question was 
>unnoticed, but I ask again if anyone knows where he is now.  Whoever, posed 
>the question mentioned that he lived in Reston Virginia.  I am about to move 
>there and would like to ask him some questions if anyone has his contact 
>info.
>
>Secondly... At pretty much every convention I have been to there has been a 
>blind recruiter from the FBI named Mike.  Does anyone have any of his 
>contact information?  I am sorry I know this is really vague...
>
>Lol!  My entire message is probably disjointed... got home from work early 
>today and am falling asleep on this rainy day.
>
>Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!
>
>Jessica Kostiw
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>
>
>> Glad to have you on the list Steven.  My name is Dezman and I'm in Grad 
>> school at Louisiana Tech University.  Feel free to jump in at any time we 
>> all love to learn from each other.
>>
>> Dezman
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:13 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
>>> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at 
>>> Harvard,
>>> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies 
>>> include
>>> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
>>> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few 
>>> friends in
>>> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the few 
>>> of us
>>> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” and 
>>> I’m
>>> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope 
>>> this ok!
>>> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Steven
>>>
>>> Steven Max-Faults
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>>>
>>> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year


From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Thu Dec  3 18:42:50 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:42:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0912020721t79e2f1bbi6e16251da130b619@mail.gmail.com>
References: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<004101ca733f$5f3c4640$2e01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<409c235c0912020721t79e2f1bbi6e16251da130b619@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601ca7448$6e75ed50$4b61c7f0$@rr.com>

Hello Steven,
Welcome to the list. My name is Kolby, and I am pursuing my undergraduate
degree in communication studies at the university of north Carolina at
Greensboro. I am totally blind, and I am working with my first Guide Dog
Sunny, a six year old female golden retriever. I hope that you find this
list to be an insightful resource. I enjoy reading and contributing to the
discussions about various topics that come up.
Kolby



From agrima at nbp.org  Thu Dec  3 18:58:42 2009
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:58:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gift ideas: New print/braille magnet from NBP
Message-ID: <59F7DEE1DAFB47169961C985041893E9@nbp2.local>

Each day this week, we're presenting new gift ideas - for adults and
kids alike - from our gift-giving flyer. We'll return to our usual email
schedule next week.
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they're always there!"
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  3 21:28:13 2009
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:28:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: NASA Program Offers Community College Scholars Chance
	to Design Space Rovers, Visit Houston's Johnson Space Center
Message-ID: <45936A633FAD4A81B41E14D041A8E7A6@D3DTZP41>

Hello List:

     I thought the following might be of interest.

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NASA News" <hqnews at mediaservices.nasa.gov>
To: "NASA News" <hqnews at mediaservices.nasa.gov>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:28 PM
Subject: NASA Program Offers Community College Scholars Chance to Design 
Space Rovers, Visit Houston's Johnson Space Center


> Dec. 3, 2009
>
> Stephanie Schierholz
> Headquarters, Washington
> 202-358-4997
> stephanie.schierholz at nasa.gov
>
> Jenna C. Maddix
> Johnson Space Center, Houston
> 281-483-5111
> jenna.c.maddix at nasa.gov
>
> RELEASE: 09-280
>
> NASA PROGRAM OFFERS COMMUNITY COLLEGE SCHOLARS CHANCE TO DESIGN SPACE 
> ROVERS, VISIT HOUSTON'S JOHNSON SPACE CENTER
>
> WASHINGTON -- NASA is offering community and junior college students
> from across the country an opportunity to participate in a
> semester-long scholars program, culminating in a three-day visit to
> NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston.
>
> Students who apply and are chosen for the National Community College
> Aerospace Scholars program will interact with NASA engineers and each
> other as they learn more about careers in science and engineering.
> Program participants will form teams and establish fictitious
> companies interested in Mars exploration during the 2010 spring
> semester. Each team will be responsible for developing a prototype
> rover, designing a line drawing of their rover, and forming a company
> infrastructure, including budget, communications and presentations.
>
> Applications are due Dec. 15. To be eligible, students must be U.S.
> citizens enrolled at a community or junior college with an interest
> in science, technology, engineering, or math. Additionally, students
> must have access to the Internet and e-mail and be able to commit to
> full participation in the program, including a three-day residence at
> Johnson from May 20-22, 2010. NASA will select 45 program
> participants to attend the on-site event. NASA will pay their travel
> expenses.
>
> "Almost half of post-secondary students are enrolled at community
> colleges, and few programs are available to them," said Linda Smith,
> manager of both this program and the Texas Aerospace Scholars program
> at Johnson. "NASA is proud to offer students nationwide this career
> opportunity to engage in disciplines critical to the nation's space
> exploration."
>
> The National Community College Aerospace Scholars is a pilot program
> based on Texas Aerospace Scholars, a program created by the state of
> Texas in partnership with Johnson and the Texas education community.
> Both programs are designed to encourage community and junior college
> students to enter careers in science and engineering and join the
> nation's high technology workforce.
>
> For more information about NASA's National Community College Aerospace
> Scholars, visit:
>
>
>
> http://aerospacescholars.jsc.nasa.gov/NCAS
>
>
> For more information about NASA, visit:
>
>
>
> http://www.nasa.gov
>
>
> -end-
>
>
>
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> hqnews-subscribe at mediaservices.nasa.gov
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From jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 21:53:32 2009
From: jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com (Jessica Kostiw)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:53:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
References: <23786735.1259855548793.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <EBD351DEE899409A89DDF80C4146CE71@Jessica>

Thanks Ash
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!


> Hi Jessica,
> I believe Eddie Temanis still lives in our area, either Reston or 
> Arlington.  Last I heard he worked for USA today.  I will let you know if 
> I have more information.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Jessica Kostiw <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
>>Sent: Dec 2, 2009 4:15 PM
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>>
>>Desmond, since when are you in grad school in Ruston?  What are you
>>studying?
>>
>>I probably should have written off list, but I also do have a question for
>>the list.  A while back someone inquired about Eddie Timantes (don't know
>>how to spell his last name) the blind jeopardy contestant.  The question 
>>was
>>unnoticed, but I ask again if anyone knows where he is now.  Whoever, 
>>posed
>>the question mentioned that he lived in Reston Virginia.  I am about to 
>>move
>>there and would like to ask him some questions if anyone has his contact
>>info.
>>
>>Secondly... At pretty much every convention I have been to there has been 
>>a
>>blind recruiter from the FBI named Mike.  Does anyone have any of his
>>contact information?  I am sorry I know this is really vague...
>>
>>Lol!  My entire message is probably disjointed... got home from work early
>>today and am falling asleep on this rainy day.
>>
>>Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!
>>
>>Jessica Kostiw
>>----- Original Message ----- 
>>From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:19 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>>
>>
>>> Glad to have you on the list Steven.  My name is Dezman and I'm in Grad
>>> school at Louisiana Tech University.  Feel free to jump in at any time 
>>> we
>>> all love to learn from each other.
>>>
>>> Dezman
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:13 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
>>>> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at
>>>> Harvard,
>>>> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies
>>>> include
>>>> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
>>>> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few
>>>> friends in
>>>> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the 
>>>> few
>>>> of us
>>>> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” 
>>>> and
>>>> I’m
>>>> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope
>>>> this ok!
>>>> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Steven
>>>>
>>>> Steven Max-Faults
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>nabs-l:
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>
>
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  3 22:15:05 2009
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:15:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: APH News, December 2009
Message-ID: <76E95701DF264C63A6650578F2B5F9D5@D3DTZP41>

Hello:

     I am forwarding the December issue of the APH newsletter. I thought 
particularly interesting the item regarding the adaptation of some science 
posters. APH needs feedback ASAP.

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Malcolm Turner" <mturner at aph.org>
To: <aphinfo at iglou.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:05 PM
Subject: APH News, December 2009


Your monthly link to the latest information on the products, services, and 
training opportunities from the American Printing House for the Blind.

**Please visit our December issue, now posted on our website:

http://www.aph.org/advisory/2009adv12.html

Click on the above link or copy and paste it into your favorite web browser.

**This Month's Headlines:
* Reader's Digest Subscribers' Alert
* APH President Receives Award
* Field Evaluators Needed!
* Math Teachers Love the Geometro
* New on the APH Website
* Fall Harvest Sale
* New Products from APH
* APH Travel Calendar
* ...and much more!


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From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Thu Dec  3 22:25:47 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:25:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0912020721t79e2f1bbi6e16251da130b619@mail.gmail.com>
References: <409c235c0912020721t79e2f1bbi6e16251da130b619@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC427EB25F2C88-2B04-E35F@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Darian. I think you and me would get along well together. I like 
orientation and mobility too. I am good with maps and directions and 
knowing where I am.

-----Original Message-----
From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 10:21 am
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!

Hi Steven,
 Welcome to the national Association of Blind Students (nabs)
Listserve of  the National Federation of the Blind(nfb).
  My  name Is Darian Smith and I currently serve as a board member on
the  nabs national board as well as   membership  co-chair.
   I am from San Francisco, Ca and I go to City College of San
Francisco.  I am currently working twards transfer to a "4-year
institution" so i can earn an undergrad degree in recreation and
potentially a masters in orientation and mobility.
   I would like to welcome you on behalf of the rest of the  students
on this list, from all different backgrounds and interests, State
student presidents and their boards and  the national student board to
nabs and this list.
 I know you will learn alot here and teach us alot as well, as  life
is just that, equil parts learning from  each other and  teaching each
other.
 Should you have any questions, please feel free to ask anyone.  As
well, I want to extend the  invitation to contact me should  youhave
any  questions as well, and i'll do my best to answer as well.
 my E-mail address is  dsmithnfb at gmail.com
   have a great day,
  Darian

On 12/2/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Steven!
> Welcome to the list!
> My name is Rania,
> I am attending classes at Institute for Therapeutic Massage in NJ in 
order
> to finish up the classes I need in order to become a massage 
therapist sinse
> the program at my local community college didn't work out fofr me!
> I wanted to take the time out to update everyone on how I am doing!
> I am doing vary well!
> My instructors are vary supportive and really feel that I am going to 
make
> it this time!
> I am the fifth blind student to go threw the program and the second 
blind
> student for my insturctors to teach.
> I really feel that I am going to make it with there incurrigement! I 
am
> really enjoying helping my classmates with learning the muscles!
> I hope you enjoy your stay here and look forward to more posts from 
you!
> Rania,
> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> See you at the finish line."
> ~Christopher Reeve
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven Max-Faults" <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:13 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
>> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at 
Harvard,
>> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies
>> include
>> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
>> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few 
friends
>>
>> in
>> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the 
few
>> of us
>> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind 
politics,” and
>> I’m
>> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I 
hope
>> this ok!
>> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> Steven Max-Faults
>>
>>
>>
>> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>>
>> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> 
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>


--
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama

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From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Thu Dec  3 22:43:26 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:43:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
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Hi Stevin. My name is Jason, and I am in eighth grader in Maryland. I 
know a blind lady who goes to Harvard. Her name is Helen, and she lives 
in Pennsylvania. I met her at Blind Inc in Minneapolis. She went to the 
adult program, and I was in the buddy program for teens. Maybe you can 
somehow meat her, and get to know her.

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Max-Faults <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 2:13 am
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!





Hello All,

 

I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at 
Harvard,
concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies 
include
reading, traveling, and taking long walks.

 

I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few 
friends in
New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the 
few of us
here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,” 
and I’m
not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope 
this ok!
I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!

 

Best,

Steven

Steven Max-Faults



SteveMax83 at yahoo.com

917-865-6953 (Mobile)



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From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Thu Dec  3 22:53:31 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:53:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
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I think I agree with you. It is not true that I think that turkeys go 
moo moo. But in general I think that it is ok for a bunch of blind 
people to laugh about their blindness in general. If it was true that I 
thought that, then I would learn that it isn't true that turkeys go moo 
moo, and I would laugh about it. I have to go to piano lessons.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 8:21 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Hi Jason,
It is good to hear from you and I am so glad you are on this list. I 
have
noticed your posts before. You have many good mentors here and peers to 
be
comrades with and also I think young thoughtful smart people like 
yourself
have much to give, even to your "elders", smile.

As far as the cartoon goes, I do not think it matters in the end who 
made
the cartoon, I mean I have known blind people who would/could have come 
up
with the same joke. That to me would be worse possibly though. To me it 
is
harmful and hurtful whether a sighted person made it to joke about the 
blind
or a blind person made it to do the same. Here is why:

First let me say that I think the largest sign of emotional health and
sanity is the ability to laugh at yourself, truly to laugh. But is that
cartoon really a portrayal of you? Are you so unaware Jason that 
standing in
the midst of a group of turkeys (and this was a farmer in the cartoon 
so it
was his own turkeys in the cartoon) if they just made a different animal
sound you would be fooled? Is sight the only way to tell something or 
to not
be easily fooled? If it is true about you then laugh at yourself and I 
will
laugh with you. But if it is not true at all, not a picture of how it 
is to
be blind, then you are not laughing at yourself as a blind person, cuz 
that
is not how it is. You are laughing at a false portrayal that goes back
thousands of years and the idea of it which is still today at the heart 
of
the public's (including teachers, neighbors, relatives, employers)
discrimination and fears. If you are going to laugh at yourself laugh at
something true.

In France, just before Louis Braille was a man who "discovered" that 
blind
people could be taught to read and he started a school there. It is the
school that Louis went to. How he got interested in the blind was that 
they
all lived in an isolated terrible place and had to beg for money. Then 
the
blind people who lived there found a way to earn money for them selves 
by
making an entertainment circus which made complete fun of themselves. 
Do you
think this helped the French at that time learn the truth about 
blindness or
what blind people were capable of? (I do not blame the blind for trying
anything! I might well have been one of them had I been one of them.) 
When
this teacher saw the blind making fun of themselves like that he 
actually
got physically sick and vomited. I feel the same way. His name was 
Valentin
Hauy.

The reason people laugh is because they think it is understandable. 
That is
a very key point. People do not laugh or find humor in things that do 
not
make sense to them. I do not think it is funny that any people find that
portrayal of blindness understandable. It is nonsense to me.

Do not worry about Jordan I wrote the letter to the famous cartoonist a 
year
ago. He took the test finally, although he got an old outdated test, 
not the
current one his sighted peers had taken. He is now a freshman in college
here and loving it. We are all well. I think of you often with 
fondness. I
have no surprise at all that you love Social Studies. I still say you 
should
study and try and enter a geography bee, smile.

I am so proud of how you are growing up.

Carrie
-----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf
Of Polansky
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:14 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Hi Carry. It's Jason from buddy camp. I got your email on the NABS
list. I think that sense sighted people wrote the cartoons to joke
about blind people, then it is offensive to a blind person. On the
other hand at camp or at convention when your with a bunch of blind,
then it's funny to tell jokes like that. Just like you sead if you are
laughing with a blind person about a joke about a blind person, then
it's fine. If a sighted person made a joke about a blind person, then I
would take it as an insalt. I hope Jordan can take his stattistics
test. Tell him that I wish him good luck. How's life ben going? I am
enjoying eighth grade. My favorite class is Social Studies. We are
learning about American history, which is especially important because
it is the history of our country and where we came from. I am taking
algebra, which is fun too. I am taking Spanish, and the Spanish program
on my braille note is working well for me. I am really enjoying the
NABS list because it is a good way to connect with other blind people
like me, and to learn and ask questions about things that I've
experienced, and things I want to know about. Are you going to be at
the Washington seminarr this year? I think I might go down just for the
first day for the NABS seminar.

-----Original Message-----
From: Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Hi Di, and all,

I also choose battles or pick them as is said. And this is one I pick. I
personally find that response rather interesting and somewhat
perplexing.
Also the oft repeated "just live as I am that is the best example" as
if you
must choose one or the other. In some ways to me I respectfully submit
those
are cop-outs. It only took a small amount of my time to point out the
harm &
falseness in it, I did not get twisted in knots and freaked out or think
about it for days or even hours. This post right here I will spend
about ten
or so minutes...it also helps me to write/analyze/ponder...then it is
done...moving on.

I wonder how you would react if your own picture was cut and pasted
into the
cartoon, would it be worth the time to speak a few educational words
about
it? Would it be less funny then? To me every blind person I know could
have
been cut and pasted into the cartoon. There is a vast difference to me
between laughing at you and with you.

I wonder if a cartoon had a black farmer sitting eating a watermelon and
fried chicken and the turkeys expressing "Whew! What a relief" if that
would
also be understandably funny and not worth mentioning.

Here are a few paragraphs from the letter I once sent to the Wash post
to a
very famous cartoonist there about his stereotypical use of a blind
caricature, the letter is just too long to post the entire thing, but I
got
a personal response and the cartoonist learned something and will never
again I can assure you portray either a blind person or some other group
with out thinking of the message.

"These things (false ideas) create most of the problems he must deal
with as
a blind person. If you are blind it is easy to get someone inspired
(just
cross the street on your own!) but not so easy to get hired.

   The much bigger problems of a near 75% unemployment rate for the 
blind
and
a near 90% of our blind children failing to learn Braille, and so
losing the
chance to really read, stem from the seeds constantly sewn by the
perpetuation of the idea portrayed in your cartoon: Since the blind
cannot
see it logically means they cannot know cannot discern.  Indeed it is
in our
very language. If I say, "I see!" You think me to mean, everyone thinks
me
to mean, I understand.

You are not alone Mr. Toles. HBO put out an advertisement for The
Sopranos
last year using actors portraying blind men with the same message. The
blind
can not see, therefore they do not know, can not discern. I wrote the
CEO of
Time Warner. I told him how this false idea cost people like my son real
jobs among other things.  He responded. The ad was pulled.

A few months ago CBS news did a feature on a man who had been a barber
all
his life. When he lost his vision he continued with his work.  He didn't
accept that a tragedy had occurred to him and he needed to give up his
life.
He found a new way to continue his old life. Rather than give this man
even
the regular respect you would think he was due, Ms. Katie Couric and the
reporter who did the story cracked jokes about him at the desk after the
story ran-on the national news. She said something like, good thing he
wasn't a surgeon before he lost his sight-uproarious laughter. GAWD, I
wonder how he felt sitting there probably watching the broadcast with
his
family. Where was the public outcry? There was none.

Flipping channels one recent late night I happened to flip to Conan
O'Brien.
Not at all my taste, can't even understand how he keeps his job, but I
stopped flipping briefly because he was having a joke at the expense of
the
blind. It was about the blind bowler who got all strikes in a game.
There
was some crack about if he was sure he was in a bowling alley. Ha, ha,
ha.
Garrison Keillor and Jay Lenno crack a few blind jokes of their own
once in
awhile too. Who notices? How many people laugh and think the jokes are
understandable? There was a time when white people thought jokes about
black
people were not the stereotypes and falsehoods recognized today, they
thought the jokes were funny and understandable. Unfortunately some
still
do. How does one unravel the history of a false idea? One thread at a
time.

This week my son's biggest problem is that last fall he registered and
was
accepted to receive accommodations for testing from the College Board.
The
God of standardized testing. He was to take the AP Statistics exam and
receive it in Braille the same time as his peers on or about May 5th.
There
had been a momentum of study sessions up to the test. His Braille did
not
come. A comedy of errors and claims by the College Board ensued. After
many
calls and differing claims by the College Board but no action I called
with
my lawyer on Thursday. On Friday we were again told it had been sent.
He has
lost the momentum the other students had. The group study sessions are
long
over. He has had other year end finals and large projects this month. He
just wants to take the test. We'll wait to find out if it arrives on
Tuesday.  He's got bigger problems than your cartoon. But I think they
are
woven from the same thread. There is a lack of respect for the blind. I
couldn't help myself from pulling out the loose one I read this
morning."



Sincerely,

Carrie


-----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Ya know Carrie,
I have found that I have to choose the battles I fight.
A very good friend of mine sent the same cartoon to me, mostly because
I
love cows.  I took it with a grain of salt and giggled.
Di
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon


> Geetings,
>
> A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five
> cartoons
> and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon
> showed
> this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle
was
> crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out
forward
> but
> not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a
bit, he
> appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a
caption
> above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".
>
>
>
> Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the
cartoon
> might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated
humor
> are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and
once
> wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal
which I
> thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder
how
> important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of
such
> things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what
I
> think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only
one
> they
> have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found
this
> 'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer
>
>
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Dec  3 22:55:20 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:55:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
Message-ID: <000301ca746b$b0cc9280$1265b780$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending school,
and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure what
opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
Thank you for your help,
Sarah



From mewhalen at wisc.edu  Thu Dec  3 23:09:17 2009
From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:09:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
References: <000301ca746b$b0cc9280$1265b780$%jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <67AA740FFCA047B2ACBB7D06D467545E@Yoka>

Hi Sarah!

I work about 15 hours a week doing web design and maintanence.  I attended 
two different on campus 40 hour training programs to get the skills I needed 
for the job.  Along with web design, I proof-read new material for the 
department's website and various other things.


I'm not sure if that helps, but there should definitely be employment 
oppertunities for you on your campus.

Meghan 



From kramc11 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 00:17:41 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:17:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
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Does anyone know about employment opportunities for high school students?
Thanks

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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school


> Hi Sarah!
>
> I work about 15 hours a week doing web design and maintanence.  I attended 
> two different on campus 40 hour training programs to get the skills I 
> needed for the job.  Along with web design, I proof-read new material for 
> the department's website and various other things.
>
>
> I'm not sure if that helps, but there should definitely be employment 
> oppertunities for you on your campus.
>
> Meghan
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Fri Dec  4 01:25:32 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 20:25:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
References: <000301ca746b$b0cc9280$1265b780$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <80D97AA7667B40C797A495E93C02E023@Hope>

Hello Sarah. I have not worked while going to school; however, my university 
has a program called "work study". Students work on campus and earn money 
and the "employers"  are sensative to the needs of students.
Hope and Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
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Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school


> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending 
> school,
> and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure 
> what
> opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
> Thank you for your help,
> Sarah
>
>
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From mewhalen at wisc.edu  Fri Dec  4 03:07:29 2009
From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:07:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
References: <000301ca746b$b0cc9280$1265b780$%jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
	<80D97AA7667B40C797A495E93C02E023@Hope>
Message-ID: <C2CC527CE45940C183D0866D335CDC90@Yoka>

When I was in high school, I was the honorary envelope and folder stuffer 
for the department of workforce development.  I also got to help write 
newsletters with employment tips for high school students.  I did some 
research for the newsletters.  It was definitely not my dream job, but it 
was awesome to be able to save some money for college.

Meghan 



From clb5590 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 03:24:13 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:24:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
In-Reply-To: <80D97AA7667B40C797A495E93C02E023@Hope>
References: <80D97AA7667B40C797A495E93C02E023@Hope>
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On our campus, if you qualify for work study, that is, if you qualify
financially, then in most positions you take priority over students
who don't, but there are definitely students who work on campus who
don't qualify for work study, especially in the more specialized jobs
such as in the tech center.

Working on campus is convenient, because you don't need a ride, and
they are sensative to your schedule, but i'm sure there are several
options close to campus as well.

Students work everywhere from in the library to the cafeteria to
offices. You could probably do something simple like answer phones or
secretarial work or cleaning; just look around, but you could also try
to find something like working in your major's department or tutoring
in your area of expertese, because then you would be getting a good
part time job that would also look good on the resume.

One strategy some of my friends have found to be successful is to find
a job during a break, because that is when jobs are looking for more
people, and if you get one in the summer, you can continue it once the
year starts. I'm not sure if Christmas break is long enough, but if
you don't have to find work immediately, look and apply during the
summer. This way you'll get a head start on all of the students coming
the next year looking for a job.

I personally don't work, because i haven't needed to, but i definitely
stay active and volunteer, so if there is a job in a particular place
you want but don't get immediately, you could volunteer. This
establishes a good relationship and tells the employer that you are
dedicated enough to help without pay. I am currently doing this in an
office of which i was not hired last year, and since then i have been
able to greatly strengthen my relationships there by proving that i do
good work. Obviously some jobs such as retail wouldn't really have
those opportunities, but some offices such as the substance abuse
office I volunteer at do.

Cindy

On 12/3/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> Hello Sarah. I have not worked while going to school; however, my university
> has a program called "work study". Students work on campus and earn money
> and the "employers"  are sensative to the needs of students.
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending
>> school,
>> and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure
>> what
>> opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
>> Thank you for your help,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 13:33:16 2009
From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:33:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
In-Reply-To: <80D97AA7667B40C797A495E93C02E023@Hope>
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	<80D97AA7667B40C797A495E93C02E023@Hope>
Message-ID: <A0648DDD620F466FB3B63CB149A5C16E@Jessica>

Hi Everyone,
How the Work Study program works is that you have to fill out the FAFSA and 
there will be a question on it that asks if you want to apply for work 
study. The one requirement to qualify for work study is that you must be 
going to school full time. I hope that my description of how Work Study 
works helps.
Jessica
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school


> Hello Sarah. I have not worked while going to school; however, my 
> university has a program called "work study". Students work on campus and 
> earn money and the "employers"  are sensative to the needs of students.
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending 
>> school,
>> and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure 
>> what
>> opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
>> Thank you for your help,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
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From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Fri Dec  4 17:40:10 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:40:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Internship Opportunity in metro D.C.
Message-ID: <D58D7774AB7E41C191A82755036A7B35@useripvq7z5u3t>

Copied from another list.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Manion" <jmanion at CONCEPTSPR.COM>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 12:10 PM
Subject: Communications Intern Opportunity in DC Metro Area


Concepts, Inc., (www.conceptspr.com) a DC-metro public relations firm 
specializing in government clientele, has an immediate opening for a 
communications intern. Headquartered in Chevy Chase, Maryland (directly 
above the Friendship Heights Metro stop), Concepts will offer hands-on 
experience working on a highly respected Department of Labor account. 
Applications must be submitted by December 31, 2009. Note: Special 
consideration will be given to students with disabilities.

Communications Intern 

RESPONSIBILITIES
. Assist with research and writing content for the Disability.gov Web 
             site (www.disability.gov) and in social media outlets and publications;
. Research, proofread and fact-check Web content and written copy;
. Track and report Disability.gov coverage in traditional and social       
             media;
. Construct and update media lists and contact databases;
. Assist Disability.gov team members with other duties as needed; and
. Participate in meetings with the Disability.gov team.

QUALIFICATIONS
. Working knowledge of Microsoft Office programs such as Word, Excel 
             and PowerPoint 
. Knowledge and experience with social media/networking Web sites 
             preferred;
. Excellent written and verbal communication skills;
. Well-organized and attentive to detail; 
. Minimum 3.0 GPA;
. Junior status or above;
. Making progress toward a degree in Public Relations, Marketing,   
             Communications, Journalism or a related field; and
. Available to work 10-20 hours/week (for credit if desired).


Submit your resume, two writing samples and recommendation from a faculty 
member to:

Jessica Manion, Executive Assistant
Concepts Inc.
2 Wisconsin Circle
Suite 700
Chevy Chase, MD 20815
 
or e-mail your materials to jmanion at conceptspr.com with the subject 
line "Internship."


From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  4 22:44:18 2009
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:44:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Moon Work Design Contest Offers NASA Internships to
	Winners
Message-ID: <8E1044A762454DCA9430042B300DAA58@D3DTZP41>

Hello List:

     I thought this might be of interest.

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss, President
Greater Ouachita Chapter
National Federation of the Blind
Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "NASA News" <hqnews at mediaservices.nasa.gov>
To: "NASA News" <hqnews at mediaservices.nasa.gov>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:38 AM
Subject: Moon Work Design Contest Offers NASA Internships to Winners


> Dec. 4, 2009
> 
> Ashley Edwards/Grey Hautaluoma 
> Headquarters, Washington 
> 202-358-1756/0668 
> ashley.edwards-1 at nasa.gov 
> grey.hautaluoma-1 at nasa.gov 
> 
> MEDIA ADVISORY: 09-278
> 
> MOON WORK DESIGN CONTEST OFFERS NASA INTERNSHIPS TO WINNERS
> 
> WASHINGTON -- Talented engineering students who have ideas on how 
> future explorers might live on the moon could find themselves working 
> at NASA as paid interns. 
> 
> The 2010 NASA Moon Work engineering design challenge seeks to motivate 
> college students by giving them first-hand experience with the 
> process of developing new technologies. To participate in the 
> contest, students will submit their original design for tools or 
> instruments that can help astronauts live and work on the moon. 
> Top-ranked students will be offered a chance to intern with a team 
> from NASA's Exploration Technology Development Program. 
> 
> The Exploration Technology Development Program develops new 
> technologies that will enable NASA to conduct future human 
> exploration missions while reducing mission risk and cost. The 
> program is maturing near-term technologies to help enable the first 
> flight of the Orion crew exploration vehicle and developing long-lead 
> technologies needed for possible lunar exploration missions. 
> 
> Winning Moon Work contestants also will have a chance to attend field 
> tests conducted by the Desert Research and Technology Studies 
> Program, managed by NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston. The 
> program conducts annual tests of new technologies in landscapes that 
> are close analogs of the moon and other harsh space environments. 
> 
> Students should submit a notice of intent to enter the contest by Dec. 
> 15. Final entries for the Moon Work challenge are due May 15, 2010. 
> All entries must be from students at U.S. colleges or universities. 
> Although non-citizens may be part of a team, only U.S. citizens may 
> win NASA internships or travel awards. 
> 
> For complete details and to enter the contest, visit: 
> 
> 
> 
> http://moonwork.larc.nasa.gov 
> 
> 
> Christopher Newport University in Newport News, Va., manages the 
> student contest for NASA's Exploration Systems Mission Directorate 
> and NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. 
> 
> Through this and NASA's other college and university programs, the 
> agency is developing student skills in science, technology, 
> engineering and mathematics -- disciplines critical to achieving the 
> agency's space exploration missions. 
> 
> For more information about NASA's education programs, visit: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.nasa.gov/education 
> 
> 
> -end-
> 
> 
> 
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Dec  4 22:53:00 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:53:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
References: <000301ca746b$b0cc9280$1265b780$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <004701ca7534$87b33ba0$0301a8c0@Serene>

I don't know if this is your thing, but have you ever thaught of being an 
RA? (resident advisor)  If you're interested in helping other students, it 
might be a good idea.  RAs have RA peridocally have duty in the RA office. 
I've never been one myself, so someone else will have to tell you how often. 
I would've done it, but I had to spend too much time on studies to be one.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school


> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending 
> school,
> and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure 
> what
> opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
> Thank you for your help,
> Sarah
>
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Fri Dec  4 23:33:09 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:33:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] O/T cooking techniques
Message-ID: <9FD24740FB6F4E4ABC92B55042208582@Hope>

Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone can give me any cooking techniques concerning  pouring brownie mix in the pan. What is a good way to ensure that the batter is evenly spread out? To not clutter up the list, feel free to email me privately. You can do so at: hope.paulos at maine.edu

Thanks!!
Hope and Beignet

From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 00:13:51 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:13:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] O/T cooking techniques
In-Reply-To: <9FD24740FB6F4E4ABC92B55042208582@Hope>
References: <9FD24740FB6F4E4ABC92B55042208582@Hope>
Message-ID: <3fea3c410912041613r25cd5ffbodbf0bce08ff71828@mail.gmail.com>

Usually, i hold the bowl against me with my left hand and use the
scoop to guide the mix into the pan. Those silicon spreaders work
quite well. I be sure to first scrape all around the bowl in circular
motions towards the bottom of the bowl. Because brownie and cake
batter is liquidy, it helps to pick up the pan and to gently but
firmly hit it onto the counter. Obviously, you wouldn't want to do
this too hard, but it really does work. The suddin motion helps the
batter to even out. Also, slightly tilting the pan in different
directions helps to fill the corners.

Cindy

On 12/4/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone can give me any cooking techniques
> concerning  pouring brownie mix in the pan. What is a good way to ensure
> that the batter is evenly spread out? To not clutter up the list, feel free
> to email me privately. You can do so at: hope.paulos at maine.edu
>
> Thanks!!
> Hope and Beignet
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 00:21:59 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:21:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
In-Reply-To: <004701ca7534$87b33ba0$0301a8c0@Serene>
References: <004701ca7534$87b33ba0$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <3fea3c410912041621ld0ea2c5ha6d052da5ff8501c@mail.gmail.com>

The RA's at my school get a scholarship which provides room and board
as well as compensation. The application process is rigorous. RA's are
responsible for a particular floor of a dorm, and every so often, a
couple of times a week at my university, RA's have to do rounds which
means that they have to monitor the dorm they oversee and respond to
any conflict that arise during a certain number of hours. Rounds are
usually not done alone. They are expected to be there for students and
their various dorm questions or conflicts, and they are expected to
enforce policies. RA's also have to plan programs for students to
attend to encourage the hall to hang out together. These programs can
be well planned out such as a crepe night mine did a couple of weeks
ago, or they can be  simple outings such as hall dinners in the
cafeteria. It does require a higher standard of conduct, a well
involved student, and it is a pretty big commitment, but it looks
great on a resume.

Cindy

On 12/4/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> I don't know if this is your thing, but have you ever thaught of being an
> RA? (resident advisor)  If you're interested in helping other students, it
> might be a good idea.  RAs have RA peridocally have duty in the RA office.
> I've never been one myself, so someone else will have to tell you how often.
> I would've done it, but I had to spend too much time on studies to be one.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending
>> school,
>> and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure
>> what
>> opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
>> Thank you for your help,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 00:53:23 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:53:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MSS and Samsung Intrepid
Message-ID: <2C7197DCFA474D27BD8647B1655EAB92@Rufus>

Hello,

Sorry for the cross-post.  I'm upgrading my phone and am debating between
one of the Android phones or Sprint's Samsung Intrepid.  If I go for the
latter, I do not know whether Mobile Speak Smartphone would work well with
this model, as it is not listed on the Mobile Speak website.  I would assume
that as long as the phone is running Windows Mobile, all should be fine, but
is this necessarily true?  I don't want to purchase a phone, transfer my
license and then discover the blasted thing doesn't talk.  Thanks in advance
for any assistance.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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database 4661 (20091204) __________

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From mgoalball at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 02:31:22 2009
From: mgoalball at gmail.com (Matt McCubbin)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:31:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MSS and Samsung Intrepid
References: <2C7197DCFA474D27BD8647B1655EAB92@Rufus>
Message-ID: <72F425DBF439430693B8F33B8BCCDDA1@matt>

Joe,
The Samsung Intrepid is a touchscreen device, and runs Windows Mobile 
Professional 6.5. Currently, Mobile Speak Pocket doesn't support WinMo6.5. 
However, Mobile Speak 4, which is expected in the first part of 2010 will 
support WinMo6.5, as well as combine MSSmartphone and MSPocket in to one 
program.
To read a FAQ regarding Mobile Speak 4, please visit
http://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=35&zenid=8f603c6aceff676abbed72c6006e9f28
Hope this helps.
Best regards,
Matt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind 
Students.'" <nabs at acb.org>; "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:53 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] MSS and Samsung Intrepid


> Hello,
>
> Sorry for the cross-post.  I'm upgrading my phone and am debating between
> one of the Android phones or Sprint's Samsung Intrepid.  If I go for the
> latter, I do not know whether Mobile Speak Smartphone would work well with
> this model, as it is not listed on the Mobile Speak website.  I would 
> assume
> that as long as the phone is running Windows Mobile, all should be fine, 
> but
> is this necessarily true?  I don't want to purchase a phone, transfer my
> license and then discover the blasted thing doesn't talk.  Thanks in 
> advance
> for any assistance.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sat Dec  5 03:32:54 2009
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:32:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] MSS and Samsung Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <2C7197DCFA474D27BD8647B1655EAB92@Rufus>
Message-ID: <auto-000129789586@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Double Check, but I think the Intrepid comes with Windows Mobil 6.5, and I think Mobil Speak only supports through 
Windows Mobil 6.1.  Mobil Speak 4 is coming out early next year, as I understand it, and that may support 6.5, but I 
have not seen that stated absolutely.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:53:23 -0500, Joe Orozco wrote:

>Hello,

>Sorry for the cross-post.  I'm upgrading my phone and am debating between
>one of the Android phones or Sprint's Samsung Intrepid.  If I go for the
>latter, I do not know whether Mobile Speak Smartphone would work well with
>this model, as it is not listed on the Mobile Speak website.  I would assume
>that as long as the phone is running Windows Mobile, all should be fine, but
>is this necessarily true?  I don't want to purchase a phone, transfer my
>license and then discover the blasted thing doesn't talk.  Thanks in advance
>for any assistance.

>Joe Orozco

>"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>crowd."--Max Lucado
> 

>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
>database 4661 (20091204) __________

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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Dec  5 06:10:40 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 01:10:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school
In-Reply-To: <004701ca7534$87b33ba0$0301a8c0@Serene>
References: <000301ca746b$b0cc9280$1265b780$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
	<004701ca7534$87b33ba0$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <000f01ca7571$ac003750$0400a5f0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi all,
Thanks for all your help. Unfortunately I don' qualify financially for work
study positions, but as Cindy mentioned there are other options. I was just
on my university's database for internships and other jobs and I think that
will be the main website where I'll be spending a lot of time in  the coming
months. Summer jobs are posted as early as January and are filled by March
usually so staying on top of that will be important.

Sarina you raise a good point about being an RA. I've thought of it
actually, and my only hesitation is the time commitment and dealing with
drunk people ... <grin> I haven't ruled it out though.

Talk soon,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Serena
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:53 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school

I don't know if this is your thing, but have you ever thaught of being an 
RA? (resident advisor)  If you're interested in helping other students, it 
might be a good idea.  RAs have RA peridocally have duty in the RA office. 
I've never been one myself, so someone else will have to tell you how often.

I would've done it, but I had to spend too much time on studies to be one.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Part-Time work during school


> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has worked a part-time job while attending 
> school,
> and the kind of work you've done. I'm in need of money, but am not sure 
> what
> opportunities are open to me as a totally blind student.
> Thank you for your help,
> Sarah
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  5 06:57:50 2009
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:57:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MSS and Samsung Intrepid
In-Reply-To: <auto-000129789586@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <2C7197DCFA474D27BD8647B1655EAB92@Rufus>
	<auto-000129789586@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <COL107-DS22743707F47DC0C3A34EEBB5920@phx.gbl>

Hello,
Mobile speak 4 will support windows mobile 6.5
From
Jacob Struiksma


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MSS and Samsung Intrepid

Double Check, but I think the Intrepid comes with Windows Mobil 6.5, and I
think Mobil Speak only supports through Windows Mobil 6.1.  Mobil Speak 4 is
coming out early next year, as I understand it, and that may support 6.5,
but I have not seen that stated absolutely.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 19:53:23 -0500, Joe Orozco wrote:

>Hello,

>Sorry for the cross-post.  I'm upgrading my phone and am debating 
>between one of the Android phones or Sprint's Samsung Intrepid.  If I 
>go for the latter, I do not know whether Mobile Speak Smartphone would 
>work well with this model, as it is not listed on the Mobile Speak 
>website.  I would assume that as long as the phone is running Windows 
>Mobile, all should be fine, but is this necessarily true?  I don't want 
>to purchase a phone, transfer my license and then discover the blasted 
>thing doesn't talk.  Thanks in advance for any assistance.

>Joe Orozco

>"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the 
>crowd."--Max Lucado
> 

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Dec  5 16:23:34 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 10:23:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Chance to Help Braille Literacy with Coin Purchase
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Christmas Header

The holiday season is upon us—a time when we turn 
our focus, more than any other part of the year, 
to giving.  This year, give a gift that really counts—a
future full of opportunity for a blind child!

Today far too many blind children and adults in 
America are being refused Braille instruction by 
both schools and rehabilitation agencies, and many who
are receiving a Braille education are given 
inadequate instruction.  There is a way you can help.

When you purchase the Louis Braille Bicentennial 
Silver Dollar, not only will you receive the 
first U.S. coin to feature readable, tactile Braille, but
$10 from the sale of each coin will also go to 
the National Federation of the Blind’s efforts to 
end this Braille literacy crisis.  That’s a gift anyone
would be proud to give.

But time is running out! You have just a few days 
left to purchase this exceptional coin and leave 
your mark on this crisis.  Visit the
U.S. Mint’s Web site
  or
www.braille.org,
or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468) by December 11, 
2009, to give the gift of Braille literacy 
today.  The United States Mint guarantees delivery by December
25, 2009, on any in-stock item, anywhere in the 
United States on orders placed by December 7, 
2009, for standard delivery, and December 11, 2009, for express
delivery.  Orders over $300 will receive free expedited shipping.

If you've already purchased the Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar, consider making a
matching gift
  to the “Braille Readers are Leaders” 
campaign.  It is a great way to multiply the 
impact of your purchase.  We at the National Federation of the Blind
thank you for your devotion to America’s blind 
and wish you the happiest of holiday seasons!

Braille Coin (Black &amp; White)

To learn more about the 2009 Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar, the Braille literacy 
crisis, and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit

www.braille.org.

National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
(410) 659-9314    Fax (410) 659-5129  



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 22:07:34 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:07:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca730d$14f0b990$3ed22cb0$@com>
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The promise is that the future belongs to DAISY.  And you know, it 
might just, if only because the emerging standard for ebooks is the 
epub format, and epub as a standard is fairly close to DAISY.  The 
probability is that with the appropriate access key, a literary work 
in epub format would likely work flawlessly in our favorite DAISY 
text reader of choice, with current firmware.

In order to pave the way for widespread DAISY availability for 
collegiate texts, it is then necessary to encourage the adoption of 
epub versions of these texts.  To do this, it is necessary to remove 
present roadblocks to adoption of the format.  Once that is done, it 
will be easy to make each of the three major stakeholders realize 
that electronic texts are in their best interest.  Finally, providers 
of reading technology and content producers will need to produce an 
offering that suits the need of a student.

The Roadblocks

Currently, there are a few things that stand in the way of widespread 
adoption of electronic textbooks, mostly due to publisher practices.  

The first is existing DRM (Digital Rights Management) restrictions.  
Students routinely photocopy or otherwise reproduce content of their 
textbooks for use in class assignments.  If existing DRM permissions 
even allow these uses, they are typically heavily restricted to the 
degree that they may as well not be present at all.

While DRM does not stop those determined to defeat it for legitimate 
or other uses, this can be mitigated using "fair" DRM policies that 
still discourage abuse.  For works of a scholarly nature, this means 
printing and copying must be permitted.  They can be restricted to 
perhaps 10 pages or 2000 words at a time without significantly 
impeding legitimate uses, but these should not be restricted in terms 
of time or life of the book.  Of course, restricting the use of 
screen access technologies should never be done.

The next issue is price.  An unfortunate trend is for an ebook 
intended for college students to be priced at 50-75% of the printed 
book with an expiration of three months.  This doesn't pass the smell 
test for college students who, as a rule, tend to be pretty bright.  
They know that it is expensive to print, warehouse, and ship books.  
Students also know that electronic delivery costs so little by 
comparison that it hardly warrants consideration.

Of course, the publishers will charge the price the market will bear, 
and publishers already add additional "free" content to books to 
justify prices that are seen as too high by most students.  Based on 
the textbook prices as of this Fall 2009 term, it seems that textbook 
producers should well consider approximately 50% of the shelf price 
for five months' access to the content.  I'd suggest a full year-long 
license at 60% and 75% for no expiry.  This also poses potential for 
about a 5% surcharge on the difference for upgrading your book 
license and the possibility of selling the latest edition at a 
discount to customers of older editions of a book.  The market 
potential seems significant.

The third barrier is that existing access technologies aren't up to 
par.  The Amazon devices feature a crude annotation system, but even 
if a system today were to support bookmarks, highlighting, 
annotations, and more, we don't have a way to share this content 
between devices.  In fact often we cannot even use the books on more 
than a single device, to say nothing of the content.  It's probable 
that a book will find its way onto at least two or three computers, a 
dedicated book reader, and a mobile phone.  Synchronizing bookmarks 
and other end-user markup is a solvable problem, but the industry has 
not yet figured out that the problem exists.

The Stakeholders

Thus far, I have not really addressed the blind student at all.  The 
reason for this is that the needs of the blind student are the same 
as the sighted student, for the most part.  We in the blindness 
community are a little further along in solving some of the 
roadblocks mentioned above, but ultimately they exist for us as well 
as the sighted world.

The problem will be solved because it is in the best interest of all 
of the stakeholders--universities, students, and publishers--to see 
it done.  Market forces will demand a solution.  That is, unless of 
course universities and publishers seek government intervention to 
artificially subsidize the status quo.  That, however, is another 
discussion.

Consider each stakeholder's reason for moving to digital content:

The university.  The cost of higher education is increasing year 
after year.  Frankly, it's reached a breaking point for many 
students.  They simply cannot afford the cost of higher education, 
and universities know it.  While this too could begin an entire 
discussion of its own, a reduction in cost will be necessary.  The 
university is determined to see that the reductions impact it as 
little as possible, which encourages the universities to join 
students in pressuring publishers for lower textbook costs.  This is 
already happening.

The publisher.  A digital textbook does not replace a printed book 
for many people, so publishers have little to fear that their core 
business model will fail any time soon.  To them, digital content 
may be viewed as analogous to the pulp paperback.  It isn't, though.  
You don't often see textbooks in that format, even though the average 
undergraduate views their textbook in much that way.  Still, digital 
books put an end to used book sales, which is reason enough to do it.  
That it also gives professors more flexibility and better serves the 
needs of the student customer is a convenient benefit as well.

The student.  As already mentioned, the student needs the reduced 
costs, but there are other benefits as well.  If the roadblocks above 
are resolved, they will have powerful study tools available.  Working 
digitally saves time, as well.  You can copy a quote directly to your 
clipboard (or a citation for the same selection in your preferred 
citation format), digitally search the text, follow hyperlinks, and 
more, instantly.  It also saves resources and the students' backs.

Each group of stakeholders has much to gain from a transition to 
digital books, so it will happen at some point.  The sooner it 
happens, the better for all.

Reading Technology

There is one more stakeholder to consider in a transition to 
electronic textbooks.  These books need to be read somehow using 
either software or hardware book readers.  Presently, these vary 
widely.  Content often is not interchangeable, and user-created 
content never is.  Books are copied from host computers to any other 
device desired or accessed directly on the target device.

Reader software is available, but somewhat primitive (except the 
software used by the blind, I'll note, which is usually quite 
exceptional because we use it so extensively.)  Hardware readers are 
less primitive, but have been expensive.  Fortunately, on all counts 
the market is beginning to catch up.

There is just one problem:  Standards.  The industry needs to settle 
on a format and migrate to it.  It needs to develop standards for 
user-created content and standardize the access protocols for online 
book distribution.  If I coin the term "bookdav protocol", perhaps 
the more technical reader will understand my meaning.  For the rest 
of us, it's enough to say that my book reader of choice needs to work 
with any publisher or distributor.

These standards should extend to user-defined content such for books.  
Annotations, highlights, bookmarks, etc.  Not every reader device 
will be able to create these, but most should support viewing.  And 
since we're already discussing content being device agnostic, the 
transmission such data should be bi-directional for any device able 
to create or alter such content.

Summary

The transition away from the printed book to the electronic will 
assist the blind student.  It will happen in time, but it will not be 
easy.  The technology is almost where it needs to be, but still must 
catch up a bit.  Perhaps the most important area where this is still   
needed is in standardization and distribution of content, since these 
factors affect publishers' ability to move boldly in the direction of 
market forces.  That said, the technical hurdles can and will be 
solved within the next couple of years.  The real question is whether 
publishers will adopt practices that encourage consumers to pay for a 
digital download rather than a printed book.

-- 
How many children in America are not taught how to read?
If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/


On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:05:33PM -0800, Valerie Perry wrote:
>Hi  I am trying to understand the trend/future of college textbooks for
>Braille readers who use braillenotes and zoomtext. What do most people
>request from the college's alternative media department for textbooks other
>than math and science . Pdf files, Microsoft word files, Braille, audio.?
>How does the college handle math books and science books?
>
>
>
>Thanks
>
>Valerie


From dwhill at epix.net  Sun Dec  6 05:00:42 2009
From: dwhill at epix.net (D.W. Hill)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:00:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PAD, NFB scholarship Now Available
Message-ID: <auto-000130203985@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT

Dennis Sumlin, President

Performing Arts Division of the National Federation of the Blind

(917) 903-5650

<mailto:dholston at nyc.rr.com>dholston at nyc.rr.com

www.padnfb.org



Application Process Begins

Scholarships for Blind Performing Arts Majors



New York, NY (November 21, 2009): The non-profit Performing Arts 
Division of the National Federation of the Blind (PAD, NFB) is 
currently taking applications for its Mary Anne Parks Performing Arts 
Scholarship. The scholarship will be awarded at the NFB's annual 
convention July 3-8, 2010 in Dallas, Texas. The winner will receive 
$1,000 and an all-expense-paid trip to the convention. The 
scholarship is open to legally blind students (high school seniors 
through graduate school). Applicants must either be currently 
majoring in or planning to major in some form of the performing arts 
in the fall of 2010. The deadline is March 31, 2010. Applications are 
available to download at:  <http://www.padnfb.org/>www.padnfb.org



Applicants will be judged on their performing arts achievements and 
excellence, performing arts-related aspirations and goals, academic 
excellence and community service endeavors.



"Finalists," says Scholarship Coordinator Lisa Ostrow, from the 
Boston area, "will be contacted for a teleconference interview with 
the Scholarship Committee."



"The Mary Anne Parks Performing Arts Scholarship," says PAD's 
President Dennis H.R. Sumlin "was created in memory of our late 
secretary, Mary Anne Parks, of Atlanta, Georgia. Mary Anne was a 
master's candidate and a dynamic leader who held several offices in 
the NFB. She died at age 30 in August of 2007 on her way to do 
volunteer teaching for Hands on Atlanta, when a car struck the van in 
which she was riding."



To contact Scholarship Coordinator Lisa Ostrow, send an e-mail to:

<mailto:scholarships at padnfb.org>scholarships at padnfb.org



###

About the National Federation of the Blind: With more than 50,000 
members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind people in the United 
States.   The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, 
education, research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.

It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of 
the nation's blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National 
Federation of the

Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.




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From vpbraille at gmail.com  Sun Dec  6 17:48:59 2009
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:48:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l]  Electronic College Textbooks
Message-ID: <000301ca769c$65106730$2f313590$@com>

Thank you Joseph, I really appreciate you taking the time to educate those
of us just now wading into the topic and as a braille transcribing student. 

 

The coordinator of our Alt media office at the college said me in a prior
conversation and I quote, "I put stop to that Daisy thing a long time ago".
I'm sure she is one person who would not welcome your opening input that,
"Daisy is the future". It made laugh and had to share, scary to though .

 

Thanks again, Valerie


From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 03:05:39 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 22:05:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Possibly OT: Roommate(s) for Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <4b1c7101.c6c1f10a.41a5.0b65@mx.google.com>

Hi all, 

 

I'm looking into going to Washington Seminar, and am interested in finding
roommates to share the cost of the hotel room. I'm planning on staying from
Sunday the 31st through Tuesday the 2nd. If anyone is considering going who
might want a roommate, please feel free to contact me off list. 

 

Thanks, take care, and I apologize if this is slightly off topic.

 

Liz 

 

email: 

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Follow me on Twitter: 

http://twitter.com/lizbot 

 


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 03:19:39 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:19:39 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS December Bulletin!
Message-ID: <85ff10070912071919l5ce9b27br3e2cbedb95001a7d@mail.gmail.com>

national Association of Blind Students
>From the Desk of the President
December 7, 2009

In This Bulletin:
1.  Check Out the Student Slate!
2. NABS On Facebook and Twitter!
3.  Pennies for Pages!
4.  Washington Seminar Update
5.  2010 NFB Scholarship Application Now Available!
6.  State Division Announcements

1.  Check Out the Student Slate!

The National Association of Blind  Students once again brings you the
latest edition of the Student Slate, our quarterly newsletter. In this
issue you will learn about the lives of a blind climatologist,
substitute teacher, and student, as well as learn about the latest
developments in legislation as we prepare for Washington Seminar. This
issue is truly one-of-a-kind, and I give great appreciation to Karen
Anderson, Domonique Lawless, and Sean Whalen for their diligence in
recruiting and editing such a diverse and interesting set of articles.
Please find the Slate attached to this  message, and it will be posted
on our Website,
www.nabslink.org
by the end of this week.

2. NABS on Facebook and Twitter:

I'm pleased to announce that the National Association of Blind
Students now has a page on Facebook and an account on Twitter! Become
a fan of NABS on Facebook to stay in touch and communicate with other
blind students across the country.  Follow us on Twitter to receive
announcements about what NABS is doing both nationally and in our
state divisions.  You can find us by searching for "National
Association of Blind Students" on Facebook and "NABSLINK" on Twitter.

Do you have a piece of news that you want us to post on Facebook and
Twitter? Please send it to the membership committee by writing an
email to
Nabs.membership at gmail.com
3.  Pennies for Pages:
Sean Whalen, second vice-president of NABS, writes the following. For
more information about the Braille Readers are Leaders contest, please
visit
www.braille.org

Greetings to all members and friends of NABS,

I am writing to announce and solicit assistance for an exciting new
fundraising effort we are currently undertaking. The fundraiser is
Pennies for Pages, and is being run in conjunction with the NFB’s
Braille Readers are Leaders program. We believe that this fundraiser
has a lot of potential. However, in order to realize this potential,
we need help from all of you!

The idea is this. Students, or anybody else who is interested in
helping to raise money for Braille literacy and our national student
division, can sign up to participate in the Braille Readers are
Leaders program and then solicit donations from friends, family, or
anybody really, for Braille pages read throughout the duration of the
contest. Of course, donations of fixed sums are also gratefully
accepted.

If you are already participating in the Braille Readers are Leaders
contest, you can simply find people to sponsor you for each page you
read. If you are not yet signed up for the contest, no worries! The
reading contest runs through January 4th, and registration can be
submitted up until that point. It is by no means too late to get
started! As an added incentive, NABS will be offering a $50 Amazon.com
gift card to the participant who raises the most money.

Donated funds can be accepted in cash or as checks made out to the
National Association of Blind Students and can be given to our
Treasurer, Nijat Worley, either in person at Washington Seminar or
sent via postal mail.

If you wish to participate or have any questions at all about the
plan, please contact me (Sean Whalen) at either  608-332-4147
608-332-4147 or smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. I will be compiling the list of
participants and would be happy to answer any questions which anybody
might have.

Half of any money we raise through this effort will go to the NFB to
support Braille literacy programs and the other half will go to NABS.

We all look forward to working together to raise money for and promote
Braille literacy!

Sincerely,

Sean Whalen


4.  Washington Seminar Update:
On Sunday, January 31, 2010, the National Association of Blind
Students will hold its annual all-day seminar in Washington, D.C.
just before the opening of the NFB's annual Washington Seminar.  The
NABS seminar will take place from 10:00 a.m.  to 5:00 p.m.  at the
Holiday Inn Capitol hotel in Washington, D.C.  On Sunday evening we
will conclude our gathering with an informal dinner, mixer and an
auction.

Generally, our seminar consists of both speeches and breakout sessions
concerning a variety of issues relevant to blind students.  If there
are particular topics that you'd like to see on the agenda this year,
or things we've done in the past that you liked or didn't like, please
let me know before the end of this month.  Also, if you or someone you
know has had an opportunity this year that you think other blind
students might want to know about, like a job or a trip abroad, tell
me that as well!

5. 2010 Scholarship Applications Now Available:
Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty
scholarships to legally blind college and graduate students across the
country.  The scholarship includes a cash award ranging from $3000 to
$12,000, plus a free trip to the NFB national convention and often a
piece of assistive technology such as a KNFB Reader Mobile.  The
scholarship application for 2010 is now on the Web at
www.nfb.org/scholarships
Applications are due by March 31, 2010.
Already won a national NFB scholarship? You can apply again and
potentially win a second scholarship, also known as a TenBroek
fellowship.
In addition, many NFB affiliates offer scholarships to blind students.
 You needn't be an active member of the NFB to win.  Contact your NFB
state president for details.  You can find a list of state affiliates
and their contact information at
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/State_and_Local_Organizations.asp
Finally, there are lots of other scholarship resources available to
blind and sighted students alike that are worth examining.  Check out
the "Scholars Hall" section of our website for details.

6. State Division Announcements:
>From New Mexico:
The New Mexico Association of Blind has been busy again this month.
On November 21st, 5 of the students participated in Scuba Diving with
the Cody Unser First Step Foundation! All of us who participated
enjoyed the activity and hope to continue it. We went in a swimming
pool and all of us had a good time!
If anyone would like more information on the event, please contact me.
I do not have any new information on the benefit nights we held last
month, but I hope to have something.
NMABS is going to be having their annual Christmas party in
conjunction with our december monthly meeting on December 20 at 5:00
PM before the meeting begins at 7:00 MST.

Tara Sena, President
New Mexico Association of Blind Students

>From the membership committee:
Greetings from the   Nabs membership committee.

We would like to thank those of you who were able to attend our   most
recent conference call where we discussed the benefits of community
service to self as well as the greater blindness community.
 This month, we hope that you will be able to join us for a fun and
informative discussion on dating and relationships.
 The call will take place on Sunday, December the 13th at 7p.m. EST.
  We are pleased to have Special guest speakers LisaMaria Martinez and
Antonio Guimaraes who will talk about their respective experiences on
this topic.  As well, we are excited to have fellow student and
membership committee co-chair Janice Jeang serve as moderator on what
will be a lively   topic to be sure.
  Should you have any questions, or wish to take part and would like
the call-in information; please do not hesitate to contact   Janice
Jeang at: Janice.jeang at gmail.com or Darian smith at:
Dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
And as always; keep a look out on the nabs list serve for more
information   about  the conference call  series, as well as  other
announcements from the membership committee.
    We look forward to seeing you all on the call in a few days!
 Warmest holiday wishes to you and yours,
  The National Association of Blind Students Membership committee.



-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org
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From RWest at nfb.org  Tue Dec  8 12:36:01 2009
From: RWest at nfb.org (West,
	Renee)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:36:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB-NEWSLINE on Twitter to get the freshest scoop!
Message-ID: <auto-000130450617@mailfront2.g2host.com>

In order to better communicate with our subscribers, NFB-NEWSLINE is 
now on Twitter.  Our posts, or "Tweets," which come out on a weekly 
basis generally, advise subscribers of new publications added and new 
features or system enhancements, such as the ability with 
NFB-NEWSLINE Online to view publications on our Web site or download 
them to your digital talking-book player.  Occasionally we also post 
Tweets that bring attention to interesting articles that we feel 
subscribers might enjoy.  If you would like to follow us, please 
visit 
<http://twitter.com/NFB_NEWSLINE>http://twitter.com/NFB_NEWSLINE. 
For those of you unfamiliar with Twitter, it is a social networking 
site that consists of "microblogs," time- or topic-sensitive posts 
that are 140 characters or less.  You may read our tweets on the Web 
or use one of many available Twitter clients, most of which are free to use.



A podcast, called "Twitter from a Blindness Perspective," is 
available at <http://www.blindcooltech.com/>www.blindcooltech.com and 
may be of help in learning more about the service.



Below is a sampling of clients available:



McTwit is a free, open-source desktop client for Twitter.com.  The 
program is designed with productivity of keyboard users in 
mind.  Additionally, if the JAWS, System Access, or Window-Eyes 
screen reader is active, some information is conveyed efficiently 
through direct speech messages.  This client is available at 
<http://www.mctwit.com/>www.mctwit.com.  A more complete introduction 
to this client may be found at 
<http://www.fredshead.info/2009/08/mctwit-accessible-interface-for-twitter.html>http://www.fredshead.info/2009/08/mctwit-accessible-interface-for-twitter.html.



TwInbox: Formerly known as outTwit, this add-in to Microsoft Outlook 
2003 or 2007 provides a method of integrating Twitter into your 
e-mail system.  Tweets can be displayed in your Inbox or a designated 
folder.  Outlook commands for Reply and Reply to All can be used to 
reply to messages as private, direct, messages or replies can be sent 
to the "timeline."  Tweets can be manipulated and stored just like 
any other Outlook item.  The advantage of this client, for those 
users who routinely have their e-mail open all day, is that it brings 
the Twitter experience into an application with which you are already 
familiar.  TwInbox is available from Techhit at 
<http://www.techhit.com/>http://www.techhit.com.  Further information 
on this client is available at 
<http://www.fredshead.info/2009/12/tweet-from-outlook.html>http://www.fredshead.info/2009/12/tweet-from-outlook.html.

Twittelator PRO is a low-cost application for the iPhone that allows 
you to utilize most Twitter functions, including the managing of 
multiple accounts.  Twittelator Pro also offers a search feature, the 
ability to post shortened URLs, and the ability to differentiate 
direct messages from ordinary tweets.  Visit 
<http://www.stone.com/Twittelator/>http://www.stone.com/Twittelator 
for more information and downloading instructions.

Qwitter: This client, mainly designed for use by the blind, provides 
a number of interesting features that make it appealing to power 
users.  The program runs in the background and checks for new tweets 
at specified intervals, and keyboard commands are then used to review 
the new messages.  Qwitter provides access to its interface from 
anywhere in the operating system, making it unnecessary to leave your 
current task to access new tweets.  Qwitter presents different tweets 
in "buffers," which provide a way for you to access your timeline 
(showing all the messages from people you follow), replies (showing 
all messages with your @username in them), direct messages (messages 
sent privately to you), and sent (displaying messages you have 
sent).  Additionally, Qwitter provides the ability to define search 
buffers, which will search the Twitter public timeline for a 
designated string and present them to you.  The Qwitter client 
supports speech output directly to your screen access program, or 
uses a SAPI voice if no speech software is running.  This program is 
available from 
<http://www.qwitter-client.net/>http://www.qwitter-client.net.  You 
can become more familiar with this client by accessing a podcast on 
the subject at 
<http://www.lalrecordings.com/node/31>http://www.lalrecordings.com/node/31.

Tweets60 is a free Twitter client for Nokia S60 smartphones, and is 
compatible with the Talks screen reader.  Tweets60 is the first free 
native Twitter application for Nokia S60, providing a simple and 
accessible way to manage your Twitter account on the go, providing 
access to most standard Twitter functionality on the move.  Once 
installed Tweets60 is accessed through the application tab on your 
menu and will automatically connect to your Twitter account, showing 
you new tweets, direct messages, and your latest updates.  You can 
then change your status, read the tweets of people you follow, 
re-tweet, and manage who you follow.  You can even leave Tweets60 
running in the background and it will automatically update.  You may 
download this client from <http://www.tweets60.com/>http://www.tweets60.com.

Jawter is a tool that essentially turns your screen reader into a 
Twitter client and allows you to use Twitter with a minimum of 
fuss.  You simply install it, set it up, and read your Twitter 
updates with hot keys that work anywhere in windows, wherever you 
are, and whatever you're doing.  Your tweets can be navigated from 
within the screen reader, then there's no need to go launching 
separate programs just to see what your friends are saying.  This 
client may be downloaded from: 
<http://randylaptop.com/software/jawter-2/>http://randylaptop.com/software/jawter-2. 
Blind Cool Tech has a podcast you can listen to in order to learn 
more about Jawter, available at 
<http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1319Jawter.mp3>http://media.libsyn.com/media/bct/bct1319Jawter.mp3. 


Twitterrific is a free application created for Mac users that lets 
you both read and publish posts or "tweets" to the Twitter community 
Web site.  The application's user interface is clean, concise, and 
designed to take up a minimum of real estate on your Mac's 
desktop.  You may access the download by visiting 
<http://iconfactory.com/software/twitterrific>http://iconfactory.com/software/twitterrific.



If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at 
<mailto:nfbnewsline at nfb.org>nfbnewsline at nfb.org.



 From the NFB-NEWSLINE Team



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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Dec  8 12:59:52 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 06:59:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Amazon's Kindle to get audible menus, bigger font
Message-ID: <auto-000130185655@mailfront1.g2host.com>



Amazon's Kindle to get audible menus, bigger font

By Jessica Mintz

Associated Press
Posted: 12/07/2009 01:55:11 PM PST
Updated: 12/07/2009 03:47:24 PM PST


SEATTLE ­ <http://Amazon.com>Amazon.com will add 
two features to the Kindle e-book reader to make 
the gadget more accessible to blind and vision-impaired users.

Monday's announcement comes a month after 
Syracuse University in Syracuse, N.Y., and the 
University of Wisconsin-Madison said they would 
not consider widely deploying the device as an 
alternative to paper textbooks until Amazon makes 
it easier for blind students to use. Both 
universities bought some Kindles to test this fall.

The Kindle has a read-aloud feature that could be 
a boon to blind students and those with other 
disabilities including dyslexia, but turning it 
on requires navigating through screens of text menus.

Amazon said Monday it is working on audible 
menus, which would let the Kindle speak menu 
options out loud. It's also working on an 
extra-large font for people with impaired vision. 
The additions should reach the Kindle next summer, Amazon said.

Chris Danielsen, a spokesman for the National 
Federation of the Blind, said Monday that the 
organization doesn't know enough about the new 
features to say whether they adequately address 
concerns of the blind community. But, he said, 
it's a good sign Amazon is expressing commitment to improve the Kindle.

Amazon released this year the $489 Kindle DX, a 
large-screen model aimed at textbook and 
newspaper readers. Several colleges including 
Arizona State University are testing the gadget 
this academic year and sending feedback to the company.

The federation for the blind, which is based in 
Baltimore, teamed up with another advocacy group, 
the American Council of the Blind, to sue Arizona 
State in an attempt to block it from using the 
Kindle as a way to distribute electronic 
textbooks because the devices can't be used by      blind students.

It also filed complaints with the Justice 
Department against five other schools 
participating in the Kindle trial with Amazon: 
Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, the 
Darden School of Business at the University of 
Virginia in Charlottesville, Va., Pace University 
in New York, Princeton University in Princeton, 
N.J., and Reed College in Portland, Ore.

Syracuse University and the University of 
Wisconsin were not among the pilot-test schools.

Danielsen declined to comment when asked if 
Amazon's proposed changes would lead the federation to abandon its complaints.


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  8 16:21:16 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:21:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Handy Tech gift ideas
Message-ID: <EC0385B1FAF945ABB082548D97D648BA@yourdd0a3c7a34>

Sesons Greetings from Handy Tech North America,
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If you already own a Windows Mobile device, or have one picked out, purchase any CodeFactory product from HTNA including the award winning Mobile Speak screen reader and Mobile Geo GPS navigation and receive a 15 percent discount. Purchase a full version of Mobile Speak now and receive version 4 free when it is released.

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Listen to an audio demonstration of the Handy Tech Mobile Pack personal organizer and GPS navigation system by navigating to the following link:

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For more gift ideas, please feel free to navigate to:

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As always, please feel free to contact me off-list with any questions.


Best Regards:
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Work Phone: 347-422-7085
Email:
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WebPage:
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec  8 16:34:49 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 10:34:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Braille made easy
Message-ID: <B7540EBF43724A9593CA4F3DB5B474C1@yourdd0a3c7a34>

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Best Regards:
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Work Phone: 347-422-7085
Email:
dwrigh6 at gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

From winy_kwany at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  8 16:50:11 2009
From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 08:50:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help about Embosser Driver
Message-ID: <514117.98726.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
I appologize if this is out of topic. I decide to post my need here since this is still related to music--to how I can have everything embossed in braille.
I always go to Sarawak State Library to emboss my music files into braille. They change to a new computer with Windows XP. They want to connect the embosser with this computer. Unfortunately, they lose CD driver of the embosser. The embosser is Index Basic 4.40. That's what I know.
Would you like to tell me where I can downloat driver for Index Basic embosser? I do need it since I won't be able to emboss anything without it. Please contact me off list if necessary. Any help, ideas, suggestions, input will be highly apreciated. I look forward to hearing from you very soon. Many thanks.
Winy.


      


From agrima at nbp.org  Tue Dec  8 19:20:31 2009
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 14:20:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NBP's 2010 Pooh Calendar!
Message-ID: <4420B4D8CA3B4D978ECF91B24A76885A@nbp2.local>

Hello - here's an announcement about NBP's new 2010 Winnie the Pooh
Calendar.
-Tony Grima, NBP

The Complete Tales of Winnie the Pooh 2010 Calendar
by A. A. Milne
Print/braille edition $13.99
All ages!

“And Pooh, his back against one of the sixty-something trees, and his
paws folded in front of him
 thought how wonderful it would be to have a
Real Brain.”

A.A. Milne’s beloved Winnie-the-Pooh and his friends from the Hundred
Acre Wood –—sweetly illustrated by Ernest H. Shepard—have delighted
generations of readers since Winnie-the-Pooh was first published in
1926. It's never too late—meaning you're never too old —for Pooh! 

This wall calendar is 12”x12” (hanging on the wall it’s 12” wide and 24”
tall). It boasts large, high-quality reproductions of Ernest Shepard’s
illustrations on recycled paper, along with snippets of Milne’s
signature storytelling style:

The braille is included on clear plastic labels that go right over the
print pages. And as always, our calendar features a Special Bonus — a
sheet of sixty full-color stickers of Pooh and his friends to mark
birthdays, appointments, and other important days. 
 
Order very soon — the calendar always sells out. If you need an excuse,
you can always say you had to buy it for the kids! 

To order or read more about this book online, visit
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From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 22:13:21 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 17:13:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
Message-ID: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>

I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years 
verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want 
something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our 
phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 
8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and 
the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of 
the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it won't 
read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal because I 
don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just wondering if the 
upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind of stupid that the 
people at verizon don't even know about their products. They caalled my 
Mom about upgrading our phones, and she asked if it would talk. And the 
guy sead that it will do voice commands, and we allready knew that. My 
Mom told the man that they talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that 
it also talks the caller ID.



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Tue Dec  8 22:31:36 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:31:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
References: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002701ca7856$33c96e40$0301a8c0@Serene>

Hi Jason,

I got an upgrade ... I forget the number, but it's also an LG.  It speaks 
the same  things as the 8350.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Polansky" <jaedpo96 at aol.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone


>I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years verizon 
>will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want something 
>different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our phones. I was 
>wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 8350, and if it 
>talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and the keypad. It will 
>also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of the vvoice commands. It 
>won't talk some of the settings and it won't read out text messages that I 
>receive. It isn't a big deal because I don't get a whole lot of text 
>messages, but I was just wondering if the upgrade talks more things. I 
>think that it is kind of stupid that the people at verizon don't even know 
>about their products. They caalled my Mom about upgrading our phones, and 
>she asked if it would talk. And the guy sead that it will do voice 
>commands, and we allready knew that. My Mom told the man that they talk, 
>and he didn't know that. I forgot that it also talks the caller ID.
>
>
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From golfereric at comcast.net  Tue Dec  8 22:41:12 2009
From: golfereric at comcast.net (golfereric at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:41:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <200472492.11027151260312072622.JavaMail.root@sz0007a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



I used to have the LG 8350 and when my upgrade period came I got the HTC Ozone with TALKS with Verizon Wireless. I don't know if this might be an option for you but this might be helpful to know. 



Eric 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Polansky" <jaedpo96 at aol.com> 
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 5:13:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone 

I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years 
verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want 
something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our 
phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 
8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and 
the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of 
the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it won't 
read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal because I 
don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just wondering if the 
upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind of stupid that the 
people at verizon don't even know about their products. They caalled my 
Mom about upgrading our phones, and she asked if it would talk. And the 
guy sead that it will do voice commands, and we allready knew that. My 
Mom told the man that they talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that 
it also talks the caller ID. 


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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 22:48:18 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:48:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <002701ca7856$33c96e40$0301a8c0@Serene>
References: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
	<002701ca7856$33c96e40$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <423e6e460912081448q1292fc15ma79d8a3e63202d5d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
The LG EnV, EnV 2, and LG EnV3  will read out more menu options. They
will also read out text messages. You can also get the HTC ozone with
Talks or the Droid by Motorola but even though they read more than the
LG phones you will have to pay for a data plan. I hope this helps!

Domonique

On 12/8/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Jason,
>
> I got an upgrade ... I forget the number, but it's also an LG.  It speaks
> the same  things as the 8350.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Polansky" <jaedpo96 at aol.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:13 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
>
>
>>I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years verizon
>>will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want something
>>different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our phones. I was
>>wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 8350, and if it
>>talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and the keypad. It will
>>also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of the vvoice commands. It
>>won't talk some of the settings and it won't read out text messages that I
>>receive. It isn't a big deal because I don't get a whole lot of text
>>messages, but I was just wondering if the upgrade talks more things. I
>>think that it is kind of stupid that the people at verizon don't even know
>>about their products. They caalled my Mom about upgrading our phones, and
>>she asked if it would talk. And the guy sead that it will do voice
>>commands, and we allready knew that. My Mom told the man that they talk,
>>and he didn't know that. I forgot that it also talks the caller ID.
>>
>>
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 23:05:44 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:05:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4b1edbc8.c501be0a.6dd7.7901@mx.google.com>

Hey man I'll let you know that the majority of cellphone carrier sells
people don't even know these phones have some accessibility to them so if
you go and ask strate out if they can talk they will just say the first
thing they know about this.  This is being your voice command because lots
of people use this.
Not only Verizon is this way, but all cellphone carriers are the same.
Anyways have you considered the LG EnV3.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Polansky
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:13 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone

I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years 
verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want 
something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our 
phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 
8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and 
the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of 
the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it won't 
read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal because I 
don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just wondering if the 
upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind of stupid that the 
people at verizon don't even know about their products. They caalled my 
Mom about upgrading our phones, and she asked if it would talk. And the 
guy sead that it will do voice commands, and we allready knew that. My 
Mom told the man that they talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that 
it also talks the caller ID.


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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 23:14:22 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 17:14:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
In-Reply-To: <8CC42812920AEA3-2B04-E8B2@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
References: <226905.99396.qm@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8CC42812920AEA3-2B04-E8B2@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <423e6e460912081514rdc67264w4d247242cdef815@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stephen,

We are all glad to have you on the list. My name is Domonique Lawless
and I am the president of the Tennessee Association of Blind Students
as well as one of the NABS board members. Right now I am studying at
Belmont University in Nashville TN. In one more semester I will have
my BA in German. I am planning on pursuing a masters  degree from
Louisiana Tech as a teacher of blind  students and orientation and
mobility specialist. I was raised in upstate New York.  Where in NY
are you from?

Best Wishes,
Domonique

On 12/3/09, Polansky <jaedpo96 at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Stevin. My name is Jason, and I am in eighth grader in Maryland. I
> know a blind lady who goes to Harvard. Her name is Helen, and she lives
> in Pennsylvania. I met her at Blind Inc in Minneapolis. She went to the
> adult program, and I was in the buddy program for teens. Maybe you can
> somehow meat her, and get to know her.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Max-Faults <stevemax83 at yahoo.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 2:13 am
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hi, I'm a new member!
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> I am a new member to the list, and I just thought I’d write
> and introduce myself. My name is Steven. I’m a blind sophomore at
> Harvard,
> concentrating in Psychology. I’m originally from New York. My hobbies
> include
> reading, traveling, and taking long walks.
>
>
>
> I found the list while researching an SSI issue, and I’m glad
> I did! I don’t know very many other blind people, except for a few
> friends in
> New York who I’ve known from various programs over the years and the
> few of us
> here at school. I haven’t really been involved with “blind politics,”
> and I’m
> not actually affiliated with the NFB or any other organization. I hope
> this ok!
> I’m looking forward to getting to know everyone!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Steven
>
> Steven Max-Faults
>
>
>
> SteveMax83 at yahoo.com
>
> 917-865-6953 (Mobile)
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Tue Dec  8 23:29:23 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 18:29:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help about Embosser Driver
In-Reply-To: <514117.98726.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <514117.98726.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901ca785e$46a974d0$d3fc5e70$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi Winy,
Try this link:
http:// www.indexbraille.com/Downloads.aspx

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Winy Kwany
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:50 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; goodfeel at freelists.org; ddots-l at freelists.org;
menvi-discuss at menvi.org; blind-musicians at yahoogroups.com;
braillem at topica.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help about Embosser Driver

Hi all,
I appologize if this is out of topic. I decide to post my need here since
this is still related to music--to how I can have everything embossed in
braille.
I always go to Sarawak State Library to emboss my music files into braille.
They change to a new computer with Windows XP. They want to connect the
embosser with this computer. Unfortunately, they lose CD driver of the
embosser. The embosser is Index Basic 4.40. That's what I know.
Would you like to tell me where I can downloat driver for Index Basic
embosser? I do need it since I won't be able to emboss anything without it.
Please contact me off list if necessary. Any help, ideas, suggestions, input
will be highly apreciated. I look forward to hearing from you very soon.
Many thanks.
Winy.


      

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From myangelblessings at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  9 00:22:44 2009
From: myangelblessings at hotmail.com (Ben Peters)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:22:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <4b1edbc8.c501be0a.6dd7.7901@mx.google.com>
References: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>,
	<4b1edbc8.c501be0a.6dd7.7901@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <BLU141-W1262690CD221C6DF108A38C28E0@phx.gbl>


I have friends who say the NV3 is great and reads a lot including text messaging. But I haven't personally tired it, but thinking about upgrading to it. I don't know what else verizon has on the cheap that is good. 

To the idea of the verizon people not knowing about talking features, that is one complaint I have; I wish verizon would list what the phone reads out loud on the description on the website; they list what you can do with the voice commands, so why not the voice readout. 

 

Ben

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> From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:05:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
> 
> Hey man I'll let you know that the majority of cellphone carrier sells
> people don't even know these phones have some accessibility to them so if
> you go and ask strate out if they can talk they will just say the first
> thing they know about this. This is being your voice command because lots
> of people use this.
> Not only Verizon is this way, but all cellphone carriers are the same.
> Anyways have you considered the LG EnV3.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Polansky
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:13 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
> 
> I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years 
> verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want 
> something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our 
> phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 
> 8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and 
> the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of 
> the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it won't 
> read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal because I 
> don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just wondering if the 
> upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind of stupid that the 
> people at verizon don't even know about their products. They caalled my 
> Mom about upgrading our phones, and she asked if it would talk. And the 
> guy sead that it will do voice commands, and we allready knew that. My 
> Mom told the man that they talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that 
> it also talks the caller ID.
> 
> 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 00:54:40 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:54:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <BLU141-W1262690CD221C6DF108A38C28E0@phx.gbl>
References: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>
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	<BLU141-W1262690CD221C6DF108A38C28E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3fea3c410912081654p30d94d82ve61affa057b0a42@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, i don't mean to be repetative, but i have the ENV3 and love it.
My friends have gotten used to telling me who they are when they text
me; that is the one thing, it does not read who texts are from.

Any smart phone from Verizon however, requires that you pay for the
Internet plan which i believe is an extra $29.99 a month. You could
research and purchase a smart phone online or from someone else and
install Talks or Mobile Speak depending on the phone and take it to
the store to have your service switched to it,  without taking on the
Internet fees, but if you do that, you might not have access to the
newest phone out there, or the warrantee.

It financially made a lot more sense for me to just get the ENV3, but
it definitely has its drawbacks.

Cindy

On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have friends who say the NV3 is great and reads a lot including text
> messaging. But I haven't personally tired it, but thinking about upgrading
> to it. I don't know what else verizon has on the cheap that is good.
>
> To the idea of the verizon people not knowing about talking features, that
> is one complaint I have; I wish verizon would list what the phone reads out
> loud on the description on the website; they list what you can do with the
> voice commands, so why not the voice readout.
>
>
>
> Ben
>
> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
>
>
>> From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:05:44 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
>>
>> Hey man I'll let you know that the majority of cellphone carrier sells
>> people don't even know these phones have some accessibility to them so if
>> you go and ask strate out if they can talk they will just say the first
>> thing they know about this. This is being your voice command because lots
>> of people use this.
>> Not only Verizon is this way, but all cellphone carriers are the same.
>> Anyways have you considered the LG EnV3.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Polansky
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:13 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
>>
>> I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years
>> verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want
>> something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our
>> phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg
>> 8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and
>> the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of
>> the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it won't
>> read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal because I
>> don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just wondering if the
>> upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind of stupid that the
>> people at verizon don't even know about their products. They caalled my
>> Mom about upgrading our phones, and she asked if it would talk. And the
>> guy sead that it will do voice commands, and we allready knew that. My
>> Mom told the man that they talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that
>> it also talks the caller ID.
>>
>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 01:35:49 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:35:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410912081654p30d94d82ve61affa057b0a42@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00889B5A4F22410E810B6AE51C515157@Rufus>

I don't know if it's been mentioned, but Verizon offers the HTC Ozone with
Talks pre-installed.  It seems like a good deal if you don't care about
waiting to see the new features in the Mobile Speak 4.  Also, Domonique
mentioned the Droid, and so far as I can tell, the Android system is very
slowly becoming accessible but is nowhere near the VoiceOver functionality
one can find on the iPhone.  If you're willing to take a gamble, however, it
would go a long way toward minimizing the cost you would expect from having
to invest in something like Mobile Geo, as Google Maps would give you that
kind of GPS ability for free.  Me, I love Verizon, but when compared to
Sprint, the latter seems to be far more reasonable in terms of the monthly
bills.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone

Hey, i don't mean to be repetative, but i have the ENV3 and love it.
My friends have gotten used to telling me who they are when 
they text me; that is the one thing, it does not read who texts 
are from.

Any smart phone from Verizon however, requires that you pay for 
the Internet plan which i believe is an extra $29.99 a month. 
You could research and purchase a smart phone online or from 
someone else and install Talks or Mobile Speak depending on the 
phone and take it to the store to have your service switched to 
it,  without taking on the Internet fees, but if you do that, 
you might not have access to the newest phone out there, or the 
warrantee.

It financially made a lot more sense for me to just get the 
ENV3, but it definitely has its drawbacks.

Cindy

On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have friends who say the NV3 is great and reads a lot 
including text 
> messaging. But I haven't personally tired it, but thinking about 
> upgrading to it. I don't know what else verizon has on the 
cheap that is good.
>
> To the idea of the verizon people not knowing about talking features, 
> that is one complaint I have; I wish verizon would list what 
the phone 
> reads out loud on the description on the website; they list what you 
> can do with the voice commands, so why not the voice readout.
>
>
>
> Ben
>
> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
> Join me
>
>
>> From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:05:44 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
>>
>> Hey man I'll let you know that the majority of cellphone carrier 
>> sells people don't even know these phones have some accessibility to 
>> them so if you go and ask strate out if they can talk they will just 
>> say the first thing they know about this. This is being your voice 
>> command because lots of people use this.
>> Not only Verizon is this way, but all cellphone carriers are 
the same.
>> Anyways have you considered the LG EnV3.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Polansky
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:13 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
>>
>> I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years 
>> verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want 
>> something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our 
>> phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the 
>> lg 8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list 
>> and the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it 
will alk all 
>> of the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it 
>> won't read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal 
>> because I don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just 
>> wondering if the upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind 
>> of stupid that the people at verizon don't even know about their 
>> products. They caalled my Mom about upgrading our phones, and she 
>> asked if it would talk. And the guy sead that it will do voice 
>> commands, and we allready knew that. My Mom told the man that they 
>> talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that it also talks 
the caller ID.
>>
>>
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 01:50:11 2009
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 20:50:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
Message-ID: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All:

I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
to the convention in July.

My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.

I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.

First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
asking too much.

How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
something wrong.
I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
the definition. The other students can of course look at the
powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
was wondering how you guys handled that.

I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
understand genetics?

Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.

Kerri


From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 02:58:35 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:58:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701ca787b$80f43900$2e01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi welcome to the list.
My name is Rania, I attend classes at Institute for Therapeutic Massage in 
NJ.
Asking the teachers to email you things is a good idea.
I do it all the time and they are more then to do that for me.
I also have the teacher email the powerpoint notes to me ahead of time so I 
can follow along with everyone else.
I just pull up what I need and follow along on my labtop using power point.
Rania,
"For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
See you at the finish line."
~Christopher Reeve

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From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions


> Hi All:
>
> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
> to the convention in July.
>
> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>
> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
> asking too much.
>
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
> something wrong.
> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
> was wondering how you guys handled that.
>
> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
> understand genetics?
>
> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> Kerri
>
> _______________________________________________
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 03:04:08 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:04:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912081904u2ac95cdal476e81f0f0900080@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, my name is Beth.  I am formerly a music major, so you're at least
better off than I was when I entered Florida State University.  I'm
currently majoring in social work.  Btw, the question answers.  One, I
don't see how it wouldn't be a good idea to ask a prof to e-mail you a
copy of the handouts.  I usually get e-mailed syllabuses all the time.
 Also, with biology, the punnet squares thing is all letters, so you
don't have to worry about graphics.  During lectures, I usually type
down the notes on a BrailleNote.  That's all.  Any other questions,
feel free to post away.
Beth

On 12/8/09, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
> to the convention in July.
>
> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>
> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
> asking too much.
>
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
> something wrong.
> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
> was wondering how you guys handled that.
>
> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
> understand genetics?
>
> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> Kerri
>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 03:26:45 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 14:26:45 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0912081904u2ac95cdal476e81f0f0900080@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0912081904u2ac95cdal476e81f0f0900080@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85ff10070912081926w392db68lbe01d52738af5c07@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kerri,

I don't have much time so I will get to questions 2 and 3 later, but I
want to give a quick response to Question 1. By all means ask the
professor for emailed handouts. In my experience they will oblige
about 90% of the time. And, many professors start getting into the
habit of emailing the handout to everybody after you ask them a few
times, and they often say later  that they appreciate being motivated
to make that change. So in my experience, professors won't at all
resent being asked for electronic handouts.

More later..

Arielle

On 12/9/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, my name is Beth.  I am formerly a music major, so you're at least
> better off than I was when I entered Florida State University.  I'm
> currently majoring in social work.  Btw, the question answers.  One, I
> don't see how it wouldn't be a good idea to ask a prof to e-mail you a
> copy of the handouts.  I usually get e-mailed syllabuses all the time.
>  Also, with biology, the punnet squares thing is all letters, so you
> don't have to worry about graphics.  During lectures, I usually type
> down the notes on a BrailleNote.  That's all.  Any other questions,
> feel free to post away.
> Beth
>
> On 12/8/09, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>> to the convention in July.
>>
>> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
>> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>
>> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>> asking too much.
>>
>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>> something wrong.
>> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>> was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>
>> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>> understand genetics?
>>
>> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>> Kerri
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 03:27:26 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:27:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <614FA205BD6549888880B28BE4ED903D@SonyPC>

Kerri,
There is no such thing as a dumb question.

If the professor is posting the power points for the rest of the class, it 
is only reasonable for you to have the same opportunity to study them as 
everyone else. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask him/her to email them 
to you if you explain how the method of posting is inaccessible. The worst 
that could happen is the professor says no. if that happens you could talk 
to the disability office.

Also talking to the teacher and explaining your situation is often all you 
have to do to fix most problems. If the teacher is reasonable, and you are 
not asking for anything drastic, I find most teachers will accommodate you.

Mark

Kramc11 at gmail.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions


> Hi All:
>
> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
> to the convention in July.
>
> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>
> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
> asking too much.
>
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
> something wrong.
> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
> was wondering how you guys handled that.
>
> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
> understand genetics?
>
> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> Kerri
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 03:44:59 2009
From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 19:44:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com>

Carey,

Welcome to the list. As far as your questions. I don't think asking for electronic copies is unreasonable. Also, for notes you should ask your disability services office for a notetaker, and if you want to read the notes on blackboard, you need to ask your prof to change the format so that they're a pdf file rather than power point. That worked for me at least. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Alena
On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
> to the convention in July.
> 
> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
> 
> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
> asking too much.
> 
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
> something wrong.
> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
> was wondering how you guys handled that.
> 
> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
> understand genetics?
> 
> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> Kerri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 04:15:01 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:15:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
In-Reply-To: <BLU141-W1262690CD221C6DF108A38C28E0@phx.gbl>
References: <8CC466AC974BBD2-41A0-11E45@webmail-d062.sysops.aol.com>,
	<4b1edbc8.c501be0a.6dd7.7901@mx.google.com>
	<BLU141-W1262690CD221C6DF108A38C28E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4b1f2445.cf02be0a.5aff.6c82@mx.google.com>

Hey, man not only Verizon people don't know about these At&t, T-mobile, and
others don't know these things because they just sell the stuff, and it is
very few people that care about them knowing all the features.

He could also try the Motorola droid, or Ozone with talks, but he might not
like the fact that for those phones its an extra 30 dollars a month for the
data package.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ben Peters
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 5:23 PM
To: nabs-l
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone


I have friends who say the NV3 is great and reads a lot including text
messaging. But I haven't personally tired it, but thinking about upgrading
to it. I don't know what else verizon has on the cheap that is good. 

To the idea of the verizon people not knowing about talking features, that
is one complaint I have; I wish verizon would list what the phone reads out
loud on the description on the website; they list what you can do with the
voice commands, so why not the voice readout. 

 

Ben

myangelblessings at hotmail.com





 




 EMAILING FOR THE GREATER GOOD
Join me
 

> From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:05:44 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
> 
> Hey man I'll let you know that the majority of cellphone carrier sells
> people don't even know these phones have some accessibility to them so if
> you go and ask strate out if they can talk they will just say the first
> thing they know about this. This is being your voice command because lots
> of people use this.
> Not only Verizon is this way, but all cellphone carriers are the same.
> Anyways have you considered the LG EnV3.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Polansky
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:13 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] lg 8350 cell phone
> 
> I have had an lg 8350 cell phone for about 2 years. After 2 years 
> verizon will get you an upgrade to what you have inless you want 
> something different. All of our family is getting upgrades to our 
> phones. I was wondering if any of you have gotten an upgrade to the lg 
> 8350, and if it talks more things. Mine will talk my contact list and 
> the keypad. It will also talk most of the menues. it will alk all of 
> the vvoice commands. It won't talk some of the settings and it won't 
> read out text messages that I receive. It isn't a big deal because I 
> don't get a whole lot of text messages, but I was just wondering if the 
> upgrade talks more things. I think that it is kind of stupid that the 
> people at verizon don't even know about their products. They caalled my 
> Mom about upgrading our phones, and she asked if it would talk. And the 
> guy sead that it will do voice commands, and we allready knew that. My 
> Mom told the man that they talk, and he didn't know that. I forgot that 
> it also talks the caller ID.
> 
> 
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Dec  9 04:29:38 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:29:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
	<25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01ca7888$387e7f20$a97b7d60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi Kerri,
Welcome to the list! These are not dumb questions at all.
You might consider buying an audio recorder for your lectures. You'll need
to ask permission from the profs to record their lectures for your own
personal use, but if you have that stipulation put into your list of
official accommodations (assuming you have been working with your school's
department for students with disabilities) then they are less likely to say
no.
I hope all goes well and feel free to ask any more questions you might have.

Just a note to JAWS users: make sure you're spelling people's names right.
Kerri's name is spelled k e r r i and even though you might give good advice
your negligence in checking how someone spells their name is inconsiderate
and mildly insulting. I'm a JAWS user too and I know how easy it is not to
think twice about homonyms but it is extremely important nonetheless.

Have a good one,
Sarah



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of alena roberts
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions

Carey,

Welcome to the list. As far as your questions. I don't think asking for
electronic copies is unreasonable. Also, for notes you should ask your
disability services office for a notetaker, and if you want to read the
notes on blackboard, you need to ask your prof to change the format so that
they're a pdf file rather than power point. That worked for me at least. Let
me know if you have any other questions.

Alena
On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:

> Hi All:
> 
> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
> to the convention in July.
> 
> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
> 
> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
> asking too much.
> 
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
> something wrong.
> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
> was wondering how you guys handled that.
> 
> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
> understand genetics?
> 
> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
> 
> Kerri
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 05:35:31 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:35:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
a major change?  Please help.
Beth


From myangelblessings at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  9 06:11:06 2009
From: myangelblessings at hotmail.com (Ben Peters)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:11:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <001b01ca7888$387e7f20$a97b7d60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>,
	<25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com>,
	<001b01ca7888$387e7f20$a97b7d60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU141-W3411A5F1BA0270BF33A7BCC28E0@phx.gbl>


Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology. 

It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts to be emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before class so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email everything including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to that extreme. 

I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to make up for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take notes when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are important. 3. I team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always ask them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 4. I ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will google it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the time. 

In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and explain the situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you privately in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these formats to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to provide me word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist, consider talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest. They might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same access to the powerpoints as everyone else. 

I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question. 

Ben

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 On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
 
 Hi All:
 
 I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
 to the convention in July.
 
 My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
 majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
 

 I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
 about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
 
 First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
 to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
 home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
 apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
 to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
 option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
 handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
 asking too much.
How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
 professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
 can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
 powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
 be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
 something wrong.
 I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
 writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
 professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
 the definition. The other students can of course look at the
 powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
 was wondering how you guys handled that.
 
 I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
 study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
 understand genetics?
 
 Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
 
 Kerri
 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 07:22:29 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:22:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
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Hi kerri,
  Welcome to the list.
  My name  is Darian Smith, I am a  board member  with the national
association of blind students and a student at city college of san
francisco.
    Please don't feel like any question you ask here is a "dumb
question", as  we are all students and  learning  about school,
blindness and life.
  i would have to agree with what everyone's been saying in regards to
accomidations.  I've had instructors that have either  E-mailed  me
the  handouts, or I've gotten the handouts to scan myself.  I use a
braille note to  take notesin class and that works just fine for me
and I also have a  digital recorder that I baught from radio shack and
it has worked rather well in some situations for getting the lecture
down for me to refer back to  it and note take.
  I know I am probably not going to be able to answer all of your
questions, but I hope i've answered some.  Just  know that  there is
always a way to tackle  a situation; some ways people suggeston how to
go about things may work for you, others may not and that's all fine.
 Just know that you have  options and tools, and now a whole group of
successful blind students just like yourself who are here and happy to
be of assistance, as you yourself will be to other students.
  Again, welcome and thank you  so much for your questions!
 Please don't be a  stranger and post as frequent as you like!
 Best,
  Darian



On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my
> associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology.
>
> It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts to be
> emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before class
> so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email everything
> including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to that
> extreme.
>
> I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to make up
> for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take notes
> when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are important. 3. I
> team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always ask
> them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 4. I
> ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will google
> it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the time.
>
> In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and explain the
> situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you privately
> in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these formats
> to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a
> professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to provide me
> word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other
> students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist, consider
> talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest. They
> might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same access
> to the powerpoints as everyone else.
>
> I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question.
>
> Ben
>
> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Join me
>
>
>
>  On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>
>  Hi All:
>
>  I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>  to the convention in July.
>
>  My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>  majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing the
> sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>
>
>  I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>  about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
>  First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>  to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>  home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>  apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>  to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>  option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>  handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>  asking too much.
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>  professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>  can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>  powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>  be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>  something wrong.
>  I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>  writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>  professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>  the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>  powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>  was wondering how you guys handled that.
>
>  I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>  study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>  understand genetics?
>
>  Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
>  Kerri
>
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From chriswright11 at verizon.net  Wed Dec  9 12:13:01 2009
From: chriswright11 at verizon.net (Christopher Wright)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 07:13:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801ca78c8$f53a2020$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>

Hi Beth,
What problems are you having with the disabilities office? Also, what music
programs are you using? I might be able to at least give you some guidance.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes


> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
> a major change?  Please help.
> Beth
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 12:43:12 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:43:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
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I was using Goodfeel 3.1 and Windows Vista.  I'm told it's not
compatibe.  The Disabilities office thinks I'm not able to live with
people, so they put me in a single.  That's myproblem.  But other than
that, I'm not having a problem.  It's not just the disabilities
office.  It's the housing office.
Beth

On 12/9/09, Christopher Wright <chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Beth,
> What problems are you having with the disabilities office? Also, what music
> programs are you using? I might be able to at least give you some guidance.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:35 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>
>
>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>> a major change?  Please help.
>> Beth
>>
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From chriswright11 at verizon.net  Wed Dec  9 14:43:35 2009
From: chriswright11 at verizon.net (Christopher Wright)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:43:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801ca78c8$f53a2020$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<4383d01d0912090443x50648df0k46452ba0ad3addcd@mail.gmail.com>
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As an alternative to using Goodfeel, I would suggest learning music by ear.
That's pretty much how I learn music these days.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes


> I was using Goodfeel 3.1 and Windows Vista.  I'm told it's not
> compatibe.  The Disabilities office thinks I'm not able to live with
> people, so they put me in a single.  That's myproblem.  But other than
> that, I'm not having a problem.  It's not just the disabilities
> office.  It's the housing office.
> Beth
>
> On 12/9/09, Christopher Wright <chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > Hi Beth,
> > What problems are you having with the disabilities office? Also, what
music
> > programs are you using? I might be able to at least give you some
guidance.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:35 AM
> > Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
> >
> >
> >> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
> >> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
> >> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
> >> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
> >> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
> >> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
> >> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
> >> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
> >> a major change?  Please help.
> >> Beth
> >>
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From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 14:57:11 2009
From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:57:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0912090443x50648df0k46452ba0ad3addcd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com><001801ca78c8$f53a2020$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
	<4383d01d0912090443x50648df0k46452ba0ad3addcd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12EB18146E57406E8D7D4E962F30A00C@Jessica>

Beth,
If you search on google you can most likely find a piece of software that 
works. Is that the most recent update for GoodFeel?  By the way what the 
housing office is doing is illegal to you. They can't just claim because you 
are blind that you can't have a roommate. Because I don't think that most 
people wouldn't want to room with you.
Jessica
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes


>I was using Goodfeel 3.1 and Windows Vista.  I'm told it's not
> compatibe.  The Disabilities office thinks I'm not able to live with
> people, so they put me in a single.  That's myproblem.  But other than
> that, I'm not having a problem.  It's not just the disabilities
> office.  It's the housing office.
> Beth
>
> On 12/9/09, Christopher Wright <chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Beth,
>> What problems are you having with the disabilities office? Also, what 
>> music
>> programs are you using? I might be able to at least give you some 
>> guidance.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:35 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>>
>>
>>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>>> a major change?  Please help.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 15:16:44 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:16:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0912082322o129f538ama224ddcda8f6b517@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
	<25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com>
	<BLU141-W3411A5F1BA0270BF33A7BCC28E0@phx.gbl>
	<409c235c0912082322o129f538ama224ddcda8f6b517@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3fea3c410912090716t6dd7d6f8p84b60a556b0a6baa@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if your blackboard works the same as mine, but from the
beginning, it looked quite inaccessible, but i discovered the link,
creat a printable view, and it brings up a page with check boxes
beside all of the options, for example, my professor would have for
each chapter, the class notes, and any handouts. I would check these
boxes, and it would bring up a printable view which is then
accessible.

Again, i don't know if all Blackboard runs the same, but i found that
to be quite helpful.

In biology, it helped me to braille out the punnett squares on my own
time after class, once you get the hang of it though, you will be able
to do small ones in your head, but when they get to be three by three
or four by four, writing them out in whatever format you use
definitely helps.

Cindy

On 12/9/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi kerri,
>   Welcome to the list.
>   My name  is Darian Smith, I am a  board member  with the national
> association of blind students and a student at city college of san
> francisco.
>     Please don't feel like any question you ask here is a "dumb
> question", as  we are all students and  learning  about school,
> blindness and life.
>   i would have to agree with what everyone's been saying in regards to
> accomidations.  I've had instructors that have either  E-mailed  me
> the  handouts, or I've gotten the handouts to scan myself.  I use a
> braille note to  take notesin class and that works just fine for me
> and I also have a  digital recorder that I baught from radio shack and
> it has worked rather well in some situations for getting the lecture
> down for me to refer back to  it and note take.
>   I know I am probably not going to be able to answer all of your
> questions, but I hope i've answered some.  Just  know that  there is
> always a way to tackle  a situation; some ways people suggeston how to
> go about things may work for you, others may not and that's all fine.
>  Just know that you have  options and tools, and now a whole group of
> successful blind students just like yourself who are here and happy to
> be of assistance, as you yourself will be to other students.
>   Again, welcome and thank you  so much for your questions!
>  Please don't be a  stranger and post as frequent as you like!
>  Best,
>   Darian
>
>
>
> On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my
>> associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology.
>>
>> It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts to be
>> emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before class
>> so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email everything
>> including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to that
>> extreme.
>>
>> I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to make
>> up
>> for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take notes
>> when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are important. 3.
>> I
>> team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always ask
>> them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 4. I
>> ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will google
>> it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the time.
>>
>> In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and explain
>> the
>> situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you
>> privately
>> in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these formats
>> to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a
>> professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to provide
>> me
>> word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other
>> students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist, consider
>> talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest. They
>> might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same
>> access
>> to the powerpoints as everyone else.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Join me
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>>
>>  Hi All:
>>
>>  I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>>  to the convention in July.
>>
>>  My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>>  majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing the
>> sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>
>>
>>  I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>>  about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>>  First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>>  to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>>  home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>>  apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>>  to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>>  option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>>  handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>>  asking too much.
>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>>  professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>>  can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>>  powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>>  be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>>  something wrong.
>>  I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>>  writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>>  professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>>  the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>>  powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>>  was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>
>>  I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>>  study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>>  understand genetics?
>>
>>  Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>>  Kerri
>>
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From tealbloodworth at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 16:09:33 2009
From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:09:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DEC8D40168824D00B7ED87F71B8EF276@teal6e6857f643>

hi beth

first i want to say yay and not for dropping the music major but for the 
social work. I am also majoring in social work and yes there are MANY 
opportunities with social work. You can work in just about any setting you 
would like. First you have to talk to your advisor about changing your 
major.

I have also had roommate problems but not in a dorm. we had apartments on 
campus. With the changing a dorm some schools change rooms each year anyways 
and you just need to talk to the resident life person at your school. Maybe 
even ask for a room by yourself.

once again sorry about dropping the music major but look at all your options 
before you make a decision as big as this and make sure you really want to 
do it. With as many things out there as there is maybe you wont have to 
change.

        -Teal

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes


> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
> a major change?  Please help.
> Beth
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Wed Dec  9 16:55:01 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:55:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEC8D40168824D00B7ED87F71B8EF276@teal6e6857f643>
Message-ID: <5102C25CB65147AE880B5E56A612A90B@Hope>

Beth, there are plenty of blind music majors. Don't drop it just because you 
can't find a program that is compatible with jaws. There has to be 
*something* out there. If you want to receive a degree in music, then you 
should be able to. Don't let anything stop you from doing so!!!!

Hope and Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Teal Bloodworth" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes


> hi beth
>
> first i want to say yay and not for dropping the music major but for the 
> social work. I am also majoring in social work and yes there are MANY 
> opportunities with social work. You can work in just about any setting you 
> would like. First you have to talk to your advisor about changing your 
> major.
>
> I have also had roommate problems but not in a dorm. we had apartments on 
> campus. With the changing a dorm some schools change rooms each year 
> anyways and you just need to talk to the resident life person at your 
> school. Maybe even ask for a room by yourself.
>
> once again sorry about dropping the music major but look at all your 
> options before you make a decision as big as this and make sure you really 
> want to do it. With as many things out there as there is maybe you wont 
> have to change.
>
>        -Teal
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:35 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>
>
>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>> a major change?  Please help.
>> Beth
>>
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From winy_kwany at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  9 17:24:02 2009
From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:24:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help with Configuration
Message-ID: <31206.45066.qm@web62401.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
The Duxbury-embosser problem solved. Thanks a lot for your help. I can emboss everything properly now.
Another questions:
1. I tried to install Open Book 8.0 and I use Microsoft Office 2007. When I finish installing, I found that there is no "scan with open book" in the file menu of Microsoft word 2007. I usually had this menu in Word 2003. Any special setting for this? Is Open Book compatible with Office 2007?
2. I try to watch vidio in Youtube. The downloat process is very slow, so the vidio is cut off and the duration to continue is very long. I use Mozila Firefox, the latest version. Is there any new setting so I can watch Youtube well? Is there anything that I need to downloat? 
I look forward to hearing from you soon. Any help will be highly apreciated. Thanks a lot.
Winy.


      


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 17:49:23 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 12:49:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
In-Reply-To: <5102C25CB65147AE880B5E56A612A90B@Hope>
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEC8D40168824D00B7ED87F71B8EF276@teal6e6857f643>
	<5102C25CB65147AE880B5E56A612A90B@Hope>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912090949i41358c09gbde66a7adc404e97@mail.gmail.com>

I"m sure, but the equipment is not compatible with 64-bit Windows, and
I missed a bunch of QA (question and answer) worksheets because of
tech problems.  The prof expected me to hand in work, and then I got a
reader who couldn't read music but read music well enough to help with
it. It was horrid.  Also, you have to write music a lot, and it
would've been much easier to do the writing portions with Lime, but it
didn't work well enough with JAWS 10 and a 64-bit Windows Vista
operating system.  I didn't think to change it all.  Also,l I wanted a
real-world setting, not a blind school, which is where I thought I'd
end up.  A music degree in music education would not get me too far in
Florida anyway.
As far as housing goes, maybe they are doing something illegal, but
they didn't see me as holding responsibility for my own actions with
roommates and I'd had a similar problem with a roommate last year.
But she backstabbed me and said she didn't pay to be my "baby-sitter".
 I'd heard this from a friend of a friend, so it surprised me when she
said this.  Thanks for all the support.
Beth

On 12/9/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> Beth, there are plenty of blind music majors. Don't drop it just because you
> can't find a program that is compatible with jaws. There has to be
> *something* out there. If you want to receive a degree in music, then you
> should be able to. Don't let anything stop you from doing so!!!!
>
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Teal Bloodworth" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes
>
>
>> hi beth
>>
>> first i want to say yay and not for dropping the music major but for the
>> social work. I am also majoring in social work and yes there are MANY
>> opportunities with social work. You can work in just about any setting you
>>
>> would like. First you have to talk to your advisor about changing your
>> major.
>>
>> I have also had roommate problems but not in a dorm. we had apartments on
>> campus. With the changing a dorm some schools change rooms each year
>> anyways and you just need to talk to the resident life person at your
>> school. Maybe even ask for a room by yourself.
>>
>> once again sorry about dropping the music major but look at all your
>> options before you make a decision as big as this and make sure you really
>>
>> want to do it. With as many things out there as there is maybe you wont
>> have to change.
>>
>>        -Teal
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:35 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>>
>>
>>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>>> a major change?  Please help.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>
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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 19:35:40 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:35:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0912090949i41358c09gbde66a7adc404e97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DEC8D40168824D00B7ED87F71B8EF276@teal6e6857f643>
	<5102C25CB65147AE880B5E56A612A90B@Hope>
	<4383d01d0912090949i41358c09gbde66a7adc404e97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <423e6e460912091135q20a2dfdfi75aa946a8a3da43e@mail.gmail.com>

Beth,
Do you want to live by yourself or would you rather have a roommate?

Domonique

On 12/9/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> I"m sure, but the equipment is not compatible with 64-bit Windows, and
> I missed a bunch of QA (question and answer) worksheets because of
> tech problems.  The prof expected me to hand in work, and then I got a
> reader who couldn't read music but read music well enough to help with
> it. It was horrid.  Also, you have to write music a lot, and it
> would've been much easier to do the writing portions with Lime, but it
> didn't work well enough with JAWS 10 and a 64-bit Windows Vista
> operating system.  I didn't think to change it all.  Also,l I wanted a
> real-world setting, not a blind school, which is where I thought I'd
> end up.  A music degree in music education would not get me too far in
> Florida anyway.
> As far as housing goes, maybe they are doing something illegal, but
> they didn't see me as holding responsibility for my own actions with
> roommates and I'd had a similar problem with a roommate last year.
> But she backstabbed me and said she didn't pay to be my "baby-sitter".
>  I'd heard this from a friend of a friend, so it surprised me when she
> said this.  Thanks for all the support.
> Beth
>
> On 12/9/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
>> Beth, there are plenty of blind music majors. Don't drop it just because
>> you
>> can't find a program that is compatible with jaws. There has to be
>> *something* out there. If you want to receive a degree in music, then you
>> should be able to. Don't let anything stop you from doing so!!!!
>>
>> Hope and Beignet
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Teal Bloodworth" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes
>>
>>
>>> hi beth
>>>
>>> first i want to say yay and not for dropping the music major but for the
>>> social work. I am also majoring in social work and yes there are MANY
>>> opportunities with social work. You can work in just about any setting
>>> you
>>>
>>> would like. First you have to talk to your advisor about changing your
>>> major.
>>>
>>> I have also had roommate problems but not in a dorm. we had apartments on
>>> campus. With the changing a dorm some schools change rooms each year
>>> anyways and you just need to talk to the resident life person at your
>>> school. Maybe even ask for a room by yourself.
>>>
>>> once again sorry about dropping the music major but look at all your
>>> options before you make a decision as big as this and make sure you
>>> really
>>>
>>> want to do it. With as many things out there as there is maybe you wont
>>> have to change.
>>>
>>>        -Teal
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:35 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>>>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>>>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>>>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>>>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>>>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>>>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>>>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>>>> a major change?  Please help.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 19:38:39 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:38:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410912090716t6dd7d6f8p84b60a556b0a6baa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
	<25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com>
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Kerri,
You can also ask your professors to email you copies of the  powerpoints.


Domonique

On 12/9/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if your blackboard works the same as mine, but from the
> beginning, it looked quite inaccessible, but i discovered the link,
> creat a printable view, and it brings up a page with check boxes
> beside all of the options, for example, my professor would have for
> each chapter, the class notes, and any handouts. I would check these
> boxes, and it would bring up a printable view which is then
> accessible.
>
> Again, i don't know if all Blackboard runs the same, but i found that
> to be quite helpful.
>
> In biology, it helped me to braille out the punnett squares on my own
> time after class, once you get the hang of it though, you will be able
> to do small ones in your head, but when they get to be three by three
> or four by four, writing them out in whatever format you use
> definitely helps.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 12/9/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi kerri,
>>   Welcome to the list.
>>   My name  is Darian Smith, I am a  board member  with the national
>> association of blind students and a student at city college of san
>> francisco.
>>     Please don't feel like any question you ask here is a "dumb
>> question", as  we are all students and  learning  about school,
>> blindness and life.
>>   i would have to agree with what everyone's been saying in regards to
>> accomidations.  I've had instructors that have either  E-mailed  me
>> the  handouts, or I've gotten the handouts to scan myself.  I use a
>> braille note to  take notesin class and that works just fine for me
>> and I also have a  digital recorder that I baught from radio shack and
>> it has worked rather well in some situations for getting the lecture
>> down for me to refer back to  it and note take.
>>   I know I am probably not going to be able to answer all of your
>> questions, but I hope i've answered some.  Just  know that  there is
>> always a way to tackle  a situation; some ways people suggeston how to
>> go about things may work for you, others may not and that's all fine.
>>  Just know that you have  options and tools, and now a whole group of
>> successful blind students just like yourself who are here and happy to
>> be of assistance, as you yourself will be to other students.
>>   Again, welcome and thank you  so much for your questions!
>>  Please don't be a  stranger and post as frequent as you like!
>>  Best,
>>   Darian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my
>>> associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology.
>>>
>>> It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts to
>>> be
>>> emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before
>>> class
>>> so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email everything
>>> including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to that
>>> extreme.
>>>
>>> I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to make
>>> up
>>> for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take notes
>>> when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are important. 3.
>>> I
>>> team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always ask
>>> them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 4. I
>>> ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will
>>> google
>>> it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the
>>> time.
>>>
>>> In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and explain
>>> the
>>> situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you
>>> privately
>>> in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these
>>> formats
>>> to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a
>>> professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to provide
>>> me
>>> word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other
>>> students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist, consider
>>> talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest.
>>> They
>>> might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same
>>> access
>>> to the powerpoints as everyone else.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question.
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Join me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi All:
>>>
>>>  I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>>>  to the convention in July.
>>>
>>>  My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>>>  majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing the
>>> sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>>
>>>
>>>  I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>>>  about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>
>>>  First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>>>  to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>>>  home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>>>  apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>>>  to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>>>  option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>>>  handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>>>  asking too much.
>>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>>>  professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>>>  can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>>>  powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>>>  be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>>>  something wrong.
>>>  I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>>>  writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>>>  professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>>>  the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>>>  powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>>>  was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>>
>>>  I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>>>  study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>>>  understand genetics?
>>>
>>>  Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>
>>>  Kerri
>>>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Dec  9 21:15:55 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:15:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02d201ca7914$cbf8d6b0$0301a8c0@Serene>

Hi Beth,

I changed dorms my sophmore year.  Since I'm not too great at orienting, my 
mother and I practiced the important places I needed to get to.  (I chose 
not to use the Commission for the Blind for orientation and mobility.)  I 
stayed in that dorm the rest of my time there.  In senior year, another 
change took place: construction near the dining hall.  Lucky for me, I had a 
really awesome friend named Anthony who taught me the new route! **smile!** 
(I've mentioned his name a few times on this list when relevant to various 
topics.)

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:35 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes


> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
> a major change?  Please help.
> Beth
>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Dec  9 21:23:16 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 16:23:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com><001801ca78c8$f53a2020$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com>
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Message-ID: <02e801ca7915$d2451fa0$0301a8c0@Serene>

May I ask why the housing office thinks you can't live with other people? 
Whether or not they're right about this, living in a single room isn't too 
horrible.  Pretty much all seniors at my college had singles and were cool 
with it.  You still get to socialize with other people, although you don't 
have a roommate.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes


>I was using Goodfeel 3.1 and Windows Vista.  I'm told it's not
> compatibe.  The Disabilities office thinks I'm not able to live with
> people, so they put me in a single.  That's myproblem.  But other than
> that, I'm not having a problem.  It's not just the disabilities
> office.  It's the housing office.
> Beth
>
> On 12/9/09, Christopher Wright <chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Beth,
>> What problems are you having with the disabilities office? Also, what 
>> music
>> programs are you using? I might be able to at least give you some 
>> guidance.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:35 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>>
>>
>>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>>> a major change?  Please help.
>>> Beth
>>>
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From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 22:31:53 2009
From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:31:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0912090949i41358c09gbde66a7adc404e97@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com><DEC8D40168824D00B7ED87F71B8EF276@teal6e6857f643><5102C25CB65147AE880B5E56A612A90B@Hope>
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Message-ID: <FB0651508C9A46E38C99D0D5D5764CD2@Jessica>

Beth,
Here is some software that is compatible with Windows Vista 64 bit.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/95240

CakeWalk
http://www.cakewalk.com/

Jessica
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes


> I"m sure, but the equipment is not compatible with 64-bit Windows, and
> I missed a bunch of QA (question and answer) worksheets because of
> tech problems.  The prof expected me to hand in work, and then I got a
> reader who couldn't read music but read music well enough to help with
> it. It was horrid.  Also, you have to write music a lot, and it
> would've been much easier to do the writing portions with Lime, but it
> didn't work well enough with JAWS 10 and a 64-bit Windows Vista
> operating system.  I didn't think to change it all.  Also,l I wanted a
> real-world setting, not a blind school, which is where I thought I'd
> end up.  A music degree in music education would not get me too far in
> Florida anyway.
> As far as housing goes, maybe they are doing something illegal, but
> they didn't see me as holding responsibility for my own actions with
> roommates and I'd had a similar problem with a roommate last year.
> But she backstabbed me and said she didn't pay to be my "baby-sitter".
> I'd heard this from a friend of a friend, so it surprised me when she
> said this.  Thanks for all the support.
> Beth
>
> On 12/9/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
>> Beth, there are plenty of blind music majors. Don't drop it just because 
>> you
>> can't find a program that is compatible with jaws. There has to be
>> *something* out there. If you want to receive a degree in music, then you
>> should be able to. Don't let anything stop you from doing so!!!!
>>
>> Hope and Beignet
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Teal Bloodworth" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes
>>
>>
>>> hi beth
>>>
>>> first i want to say yay and not for dropping the music major but for the
>>> social work. I am also majoring in social work and yes there are MANY
>>> opportunities with social work. You can work in just about any setting 
>>> you
>>>
>>> would like. First you have to talk to your advisor about changing your
>>> major.
>>>
>>> I have also had roommate problems but not in a dorm. we had apartments 
>>> on
>>> campus. With the changing a dorm some schools change rooms each year
>>> anyways and you just need to talk to the resident life person at your
>>> school. Maybe even ask for a room by yourself.
>>>
>>> once again sorry about dropping the music major but look at all your
>>> options before you make a decision as big as this and make sure you 
>>> really
>>>
>>> want to do it. With as many things out there as there is maybe you wont
>>> have to change.
>>>
>>>        -Teal
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:35 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>>>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>>>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>>>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>>>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>>>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>>>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>>>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>>>> a major change?  Please help.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
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From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Wed Dec  9 22:43:45 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:43:45 EST
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Independence 2010 - Residential Summer Program for
	Blind Teen
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Sent: 12/9/2009 5:23:59 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Independence 2010 - Residential Summer Program  for Blind Teen 



Blind Industries and Services of Maryland is pleased to  announce 
Independence 2010--a six-week residential summer program for blind  and low vision 
high school teens. The students of Independence 2010 will  participate in a 
fun, action packed comprehensive six-week program that will  focus on learning 
the nonvisual skills which are essential for teens to  successfully 
transition from high school to college or employment. Students of  Independence 
2010 will live in apartments supervised by adult blind  mentors/instructors who 
will incorporate budgeting, maintaining a home,  preparing meals, doing 
laundry, and shopping for groceries.   
Independence – 2010 will include cane travel, independent  living skills, 
assistive technology, Braille, physical fitness, philosophy  class, career 
exploration, and several confidence building activities  including attending 
the 2010 National Convention of the National Federation of  the Blind in 
Dallas, Texas. In addition to learning the skills of blindness,  students will 
have fun learning from successful blind role models and  participate in 
exciting confidence building activities such as playing  goalball, attending a 
summer festival, watching movies under the stars,  enjoying the Inner Harbor 
and Little Italy to name just a few.    
Who can apply:  
Legally blind high school students who are entering into  10th, 11th , or 
12th  grades in the fall  of 2010 and have open cases with their state’s 
vocational rehabilitation  agency or who have an alternative funding source  
The dates of the program are June 20 – August 1,  2010 
For more information or if you have any questions, please  email me at 
_aphelps at bism.org_ (mailto:aphelps at bism.org)  or call me at  410-737-2642.  
Warm regards,  
Amy C. Phelps   
Amy C. Phelps, CRC, NOMC 
Director of Rehabilitation Services  
Blind Industries and Services of Maryland 
3345 Washington Blvd 
Baltimore, MD 21227 
Phone: 410-737-2642 
Mobile: 410-274-1647 
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From astrochem119 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 23:01:57 2009
From: astrochem119 at gmail.com (Chelsea Cook)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:01:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kerri and Calculus
Message-ID: <4b202bba.c401be0a.1dc1.0fc9@mx.google.com>

Hi Kerri,

  I am Chelsea Cook.  Welcome to the NFB! You will find many 
great people here.
  I agree with what everyone is saying about E-mailing 
accommodations.  I'm a senior in high school, and for the past 
two years, my teachers have been awesome on E-mail.  Some have 
given me PowerPoint, others Word.  I use JAWS, and am not a fan 
of PDF, but that's me.  There is a way to convert PowerPoint to 
Word though (assuming no graphics are involved.)

1.  Open the PowerPoint.
2.  Press F6 until you hear JAWS say, "Outline view."
3.  Select all, copy and paste into Word.

  This procedure has gotten me far.
  With biology: It's not my favorite science (I hope to major in 
physics), but when I took it, I found a way to do the Punnent 
Squares mathematically.  (If math's not your thing, that's okay, 
but it's just what helped me because I didn't get it visually.) 
You can take each trait and FOIL (first, outer, inner, last), 
like you would do with any polynomial in Algebra.  Just multiply 
and distribute all the traits in the square, and your first and 
last or "squared" terms will be dominant.  The middle could go 
either way.  This works for a square with any grid size; for the 
bigger ones, you just may have to spend some more time 
multiplying it out, but that's just what got me through.  I'm a 
math person.
  Speaking of math (to all on list): I'm in AP.  Calculus this 
year and it is not going well.  My teacher rarely gives feedback 
and never stays after school, so when I have a question, I 
oftentimes can't ask it or get the detail I need to finish a 
problem.  It almost seems like she doesn't want to work with me 
(whether because I'm blind or just take too much time in her 
opinion, I can't tell).  Other students don't really understand 
the material enough to explain, and I don't know many people in 
the class.  What do you do when this comes up in college? The 
class moves very fast, and I want to be able to learn calculus (I 
know I can), but something just isn't clicking now.  Any advice? 
No one around here seems to want to know it for the math; they 
just seem to want credit for the course.

Thanks,
Chelsea
"I ask you to look both ways.  For the road to a knowledge of the 
stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom 
has been reached through the stars."
Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars 
and Atoms (1928), Lecture 1


From mewhalen at wisc.edu  Thu Dec 10 00:04:37 2009
From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:04:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Kerri and Calculus
References: <4b202bba.c401be0a.1dc1.0fc9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F4E8CC9F62634AF39ED816D66CFC1F90@Yoka>

You could possibly talk to your principal about your teacher who does not 
seem willing to help you.  Maybe there's a tutoring program at your school? 
Regardless, I think the principal should be aware that he has an employee 
who is not meeting the needs of the students.


Meghan 



From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 01:37:13 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:37:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b2050d2.e302be0a.05db.1617@mx.google.com>

Hi Kerri, welcome to the list. You have got great ideas from the list on
your questions. One thing ask for anything that will make your class work
easier. I have noticed that all students sited or not will ask for what will
make life easier for them.
Good luck on your college classes.
Also, I am a nontraditional student and will be graduating on Saturday with
a degree in Psychology with a miner in history.
Good luck to all,
Louana Sterling 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Kerri Kosten
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:50 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions

Hi All:

I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
to the convention in July.

My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.

I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.

First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
asking too much.

How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
something wrong.
I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
the definition. The other students can of course look at the
powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
was wondering how you guys handled that.

I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
understand genetics?

Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.

Kerri

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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Dec 10 02:05:19 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:05:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b2050d2.e302be0a.05db.1617@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <002b01ca793d$39bb69b0$0301a8c0@Serene>

Congratulations, Louana!

Serena

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "l.sterling0" <l.sterling0 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions


> Hi Kerri, welcome to the list. You have got great ideas from the list on
> your questions. One thing ask for anything that will make your class work
> easier. I have noticed that all students sited or not will ask for what 
> will
> make life easier for them.
> Good luck on your college classes.
> Also, I am a nontraditional student and will be graduating on Saturday 
> with
> a degree in Psychology with a miner in history.
> Good luck to all,
> Louana Sterling
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kerri Kosten
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:50 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
>
> Hi All:
>
> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
> to the convention in July.
>
> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>
> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
> asking too much.
>
> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
> something wrong.
> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
> was wondering how you guys handled that.
>
> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
> understand genetics?
>
> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
> Kerri
>
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From kayleigh281 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 03:14:54 2009
From: kayleigh281 at yahoo.com (Kayleigh Joiner)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:14:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning Student
Message-ID: <37738.6463.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I am in the process of transitioning from print to braille. Since the 7th grade I have been teaching myself braille during my free time by taking the courses from the hadley school for the blind.  I finished the 3rd literary braille course from hadley this past semester. I went to CCB this summer and learned all of my contractions. I don't have a very knowlegable vision teacher. I feel like I am running out of drive to continue reading. I am a senior in high school and am trying to juggle two advanced placement classes (with the rest of my other classes), my school musical, and my varsity choirs. Does anyone know of any listservs or anything of that type that are for students making the transition from print to braille? I don't really have any friends that are making the switch. They either have known braille all their life or are reading print. And also my parents don't know Braille either so they can't really relate with me on this situation. I do
 plan on attending an NFB training center after I graduate to get better blindness skills. I am leaning towards LCB. Any advice would be greatly appreciative. 

Sincerely,
Kayleigh 

From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 10 06:15:14 2009
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 22:15:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
References: <4383d01d0912082135k568a6486sa803f0e5e73490c4@mail.gmail.com><DEC8D40168824D00B7ED87F71B8EF276@teal6e6857f643><5102C25CB65147AE880B5E56A612A90B@Hope>
	<4383d01d0912090949i41358c09gbde66a7adc404e97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B5D08CC44C84AA0959D3FE7E0FAD8CC@windows4c0ed96>

Hi , I have not followed this thread completely, I had a lot of my messages 
deleted accidentally, but I want to add something that has helped me with my 
classes, so bear with me if it is not germane.  I am new to taking college 
classes with no vision, and am a non traditional returning student.  I 
signed up for anEnglish composition class two years ago. At that time, one 
of the staff at our Access Technology Center told me she advises all 
visually impaired students to ask for the accomodation of extra time, if it 
seems warranted.  For example, I probably should have asked for extra time 
with my two long MLA style research papers..I resisted this, feeling a bit 
queasy about this, but ultimately I dropped the class since I  got behind 
due to  issues with readers and technology I was just getting figured out 
for my class.  This semester, I told my prof going in I might need  the 
acccomodation of extra time.   For example, I  got an extra week on the 
papers.   On other assignments, I have not needed extra time, but it is an 
option I feel often justified. ?  To me, and this is just my thoughts, I 
need the extra time since reading textbooks with sometimes cumbersome 
technology can take more time, juggling schedules with readers is uncertain 
and can cause delays, and research on line can be problematical, although it 
is better now that I took a library science class a while back.  Anyway, 
this semester has been very smooth, and my nerves less frazzled, and I can 
relax and concentrate on the content of my work in my literature class.  I 
am thinking I will ruffle some feathers on this list by my message, but I 
did not want to keep mum on this if it could spark a helpful discussion. 
Take care, Ginnie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes


> I"m sure, but the equipment is not compatible with 64-bit Windows, and
> I missed a bunch of QA (question and answer) worksheets because of
> tech problems.  The prof expected me to hand in work, and then I got a
> reader who couldn't read music but read music well enough to help with
> it. It was horrid.  Also, you have to write music a lot, and it
> would've been much easier to do the writing portions with Lime, but it
> didn't work well enough with JAWS 10 and a 64-bit Windows Vista
> operating system.  I didn't think to change it all.  Also,l I wanted a
> real-world setting, not a blind school, which is where I thought I'd
> end up.  A music degree in music education would not get me too far in
> Florida anyway.
> As far as housing goes, maybe they are doing something illegal, but
> they didn't see me as holding responsibility for my own actions with
> roommates and I'd had a similar problem with a roommate last year.
> But she backstabbed me and said she didn't pay to be my "baby-sitter".
> I'd heard this from a friend of a friend, so it surprised me when she
> said this.  Thanks for all the support.
> Beth
>
> On 12/9/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
>> Beth, there are plenty of blind music majors. Don't drop it just because 
>> you
>> can't find a program that is compatible with jaws. There has to be
>> *something* out there. If you want to receive a degree in music, then you
>> should be able to. Don't let anything stop you from doing so!!!!
>>
>> Hope and Beignet
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Teal Bloodworth" <tealbloodworth at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] major changes
>>
>>
>>> hi beth
>>>
>>> first i want to say yay and not for dropping the music major but for the
>>> social work. I am also majoring in social work and yes there are MANY
>>> opportunities with social work. You can work in just about any setting 
>>> you
>>>
>>> would like. First you have to talk to your advisor about changing your
>>> major.
>>>
>>> I have also had roommate problems but not in a dorm. we had apartments 
>>> on
>>> campus. With the changing a dorm some schools change rooms each year
>>> anyways and you just need to talk to the resident life person at your
>>> school. Maybe even ask for a room by yourself.
>>>
>>> once again sorry about dropping the music major but look at all your
>>> options before you make a decision as big as this and make sure you 
>>> really
>>>
>>> want to do it. With as many things out there as there is maybe you wont
>>> have to change.
>>>
>>>        -Teal
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:35 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, guys.  As of this spring, I will be majoring in social work.  I
>>>> have decided that music just can't be my career because of the endless
>>>> specialaccommodations that have to be made for me by the student
>>>> disabilities office.  Plus since I upgraded from Windows XP to vista
>>>> recently in August, I couldn't get my music programs to work.  Lots of
>>>> bad luck on my side.  Also I wanted an appropriate job in a real world
>>>> setting.  Also, I am changing dorms.  Has anyone experienced a major
>>>> move before?  Had to change dorms because of both roommate issues and
>>>> a major change?  Please help.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 07:33:38 2009
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 01:33:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning Student
In-Reply-To: <37738.6463.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <37738.6463.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1A97D8E491BC40A09552E2A63A353C74@computer>

Kayleigh,  I wrote you an email off list,  
Any questions about print to braille,  Ask.


Email: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
secondd email: dougo2002 at att.net
Msn: djdoug1983 at yahoo.com
Skype: dougo322
Mobile number: (972)533-2604

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Kayleigh Joiner
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 9:15 PM
To: NABS list
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning Student

I am in the process of transitioning from print to braille. Since the 7th
grade I have been teaching myself braille during my free time by taking the
courses from the hadley school for the blind.  I finished the 3rd literary
braille course from hadley this past semester. I went to CCB this summer and
learned all of my contractions. I don't have a very knowlegable vision
teacher. I feel like I am running out of drive to continue reading. I am a
senior in high school and am trying to juggle two advanced placement classes
(with the rest of my other classes), my school musical, and my varsity
choirs. Does anyone know of any listservs or anything of that type that are
for students making the transition from print to braille? I don't really
have any friends that are making the switch. They either have known braille
all their life or are reading print. And also my parents don't know Braille
either so they can't really relate with me on this situation. I do  plan on
attending an NFB training center after I graduate to get better blindness
skills. I am leaning towards LCB. Any advice would be greatly appreciative. 

Sincerely,
Kayleigh
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 07:45:21 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 23:45:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning Student
In-Reply-To: <37738.6463.qm@web52003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <749385.45900.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello Kayleigh,

Pen pals by postal mail may seem a bit old-fashioned in the day of e-mail, but it really provides a good way of practicing Braille, and gives you a chance to both read it and write it, rather that is with a Perkins Brailler or by the slate and stylus.

No matter what anyone tells you, do what works for you as far as how you choose to write your Braille--some advocate the slate and stylus (I use them for quick phone numbers, myself) while I use the Perkins for any thing longer (i.e. by notes on Japanese).

Also, put Braille wher ever you will notice it the most.  Braille your favorite tapes, CD's, movies, boxed foods, canned goods, etc.  his will give you practice with every day things and will reinforce waht you have learned.

Get a magazine, if you enjoy reading magazines (you can get free montly subscriptions to a variety of magazines from the Library for the Blind) and read an article.  If it takes you a month to read one article, it takes you a month.  You are not in competition with anyone else, and you have nothing to prove to anyone.  Listen to know one who tells you that you must reach a certain speed to be a competent Brailler reader; if Braille meets your needs for pleasure reading, practical uses, and professional functions (i.e. reading books/novels, labeling file folders for school, work, etc., and keeping appointments in a calendar) then you are a competent Braille reader.

I have read Braille since I was nine (learned Braille until that time) and am now 23, so it could be argued that I am somewhere in the middle of those who knew it all of their lives and those who started later, since I was in the fourth grade and was illiterate because of vision loss.

If you ahve any questions, don't hesitate to get in touch with me, or anyone else on list.

Congratulations and keep up the good work,

Harry

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Kayleigh Joiner <kayleigh281 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Kayleigh Joiner <kayleigh281 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transitioning Student
> To: "NABS list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:14 PM
> I am in the process of transitioning
> from print to braille. Since the 7th grade I have been
> teaching myself braille during my free time by taking the
> courses from the hadley school for the blind.  I finished
> the 3rd literary braille course from hadley this past
> semester. I went to CCB this summer and learned all of my
> contractions. I don't have a very knowlegable vision
> teacher. I feel like I am running out of drive to continue
> reading. I am a senior in high school and am trying to
> juggle two advanced placement classes (with the rest of my
> other classes), my school musical, and my varsity choirs.
> Does anyone know of any listservs or anything of that type
> that are for students making the transition from print to
> braille? I don't really have any friends that are making the
> switch. They either have known braille all their life or are
> reading print. And also my parents don't know Braille either
> so they can't really relate with me on this situation. I
> do
>  plan on attending an NFB training center after I graduate
> to get better blindness skills. I am leaning towards LCB.
> Any advice would be greatly appreciative. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Kayleigh 
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From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 14:29:49 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:29:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] major changes
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Hi Ginnie and all, I had extra time for my math classes. Like I said in
another message use whatever will make college easier.
I am not saying use blindness as an excuse to get special treatment but if
you need an accommodation use it.
Merry Christmas  and Happy New Years to all
Louana



From vpbraille at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 23:18:19 2009
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:18:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] SAT Prep Question
Message-ID: <003501ca79ef$10944ea0$31bcebe0$@com>

I am posting the below email on this listserve in case any low vision
college students have encounter this issue and can give input to this
Transcriber. The student is not a braille reader.

Thanks, Valerie

 

From:  On Behalf Of Hertz, Jana
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:06 PM
To: Valerie Perry
Subject: [braille-n-teach] SAT Prep Question

Hello Braille-n-Teachers,

We have a low vision high school student (AP/IB Honors) who wants to take an
SAT Prep class through a private tutorial organization such as Kaplan or
Elite. Have any of you had any experience with this and/or recommendations?
Parents are being told no modifications are allowed. 

Your input is most welcome! Thanks!

Jana Hertz

Certified Braille Transcriber/Alternate Media Specialist

[if mail is returned undeliverable, 

please resend to JanaBrailles at aol.com]

Program for Visually Impaired Students

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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 01:17:35 2009
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:17:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
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Hi Everyone!

Thanks for the good advice!

I've discovered if the powerpoints are emailed to me, and I click on
"html view" in the message in gmail, it takes out the images and just
shows the text.
That may work.

Cindy, I'll have to check on Blackboard.
Do you click on printable view after you click on the link for the
powerpoint, or chapter handout...or whatever you want to look at?

Darian, thanks so much! I definitely won't be a stranger lol!

With the punnett squares, how do you write them out in braille? That
may be the best thing for me as I am a reader lol. Do you take a piece
of paper, and braille out for signs over the page in sort of a square,
then put the letters inside the box of for signs or whatever?

Kerri

On 12/9/09, Domonique Lawless <dlawless86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kerri,
> You can also ask your professors to email you copies of the  powerpoints.
>
>
> Domonique
>
> On 12/9/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know if your blackboard works the same as mine, but from the
>> beginning, it looked quite inaccessible, but i discovered the link,
>> creat a printable view, and it brings up a page with check boxes
>> beside all of the options, for example, my professor would have for
>> each chapter, the class notes, and any handouts. I would check these
>> boxes, and it would bring up a printable view which is then
>> accessible.
>>
>> Again, i don't know if all Blackboard runs the same, but i found that
>> to be quite helpful.
>>
>> In biology, it helped me to braille out the punnett squares on my own
>> time after class, once you get the hang of it though, you will be able
>> to do small ones in your head, but when they get to be three by three
>> or four by four, writing them out in whatever format you use
>> definitely helps.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On 12/9/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi kerri,
>>>   Welcome to the list.
>>>   My name  is Darian Smith, I am a  board member  with the national
>>> association of blind students and a student at city college of san
>>> francisco.
>>>     Please don't feel like any question you ask here is a "dumb
>>> question", as  we are all students and  learning  about school,
>>> blindness and life.
>>>   i would have to agree with what everyone's been saying in regards to
>>> accomidations.  I've had instructors that have either  E-mailed  me
>>> the  handouts, or I've gotten the handouts to scan myself.  I use a
>>> braille note to  take notesin class and that works just fine for me
>>> and I also have a  digital recorder that I baught from radio shack and
>>> it has worked rather well in some situations for getting the lecture
>>> down for me to refer back to  it and note take.
>>>   I know I am probably not going to be able to answer all of your
>>> questions, but I hope i've answered some.  Just  know that  there is
>>> always a way to tackle  a situation; some ways people suggeston how to
>>> go about things may work for you, others may not and that's all fine.
>>>  Just know that you have  options and tools, and now a whole group of
>>> successful blind students just like yourself who are here and happy to
>>> be of assistance, as you yourself will be to other students.
>>>   Again, welcome and thank you  so much for your questions!
>>>  Please don't be a  stranger and post as frequent as you like!
>>>  Best,
>>>   Darian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my
>>>> associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology.
>>>>
>>>> It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts to
>>>> be
>>>> emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before
>>>> class
>>>> so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email everything
>>>> including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to that
>>>> extreme.
>>>>
>>>> I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to
>>>> make
>>>> up
>>>> for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take notes
>>>> when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are important.
>>>> 3.
>>>> I
>>>> team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always ask
>>>> them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 4.
>>>> I
>>>> ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will
>>>> google
>>>> it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and explain
>>>> the
>>>> situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you
>>>> privately
>>>> in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these
>>>> formats
>>>> to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a
>>>> professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to provide
>>>> me
>>>> word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other
>>>> students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist, consider
>>>> talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest.
>>>> They
>>>> might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same
>>>> access
>>>> to the powerpoints as everyone else.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question.
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Join me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi All:
>>>>
>>>>  I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>>>>  to the convention in July.
>>>>
>>>>  My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>>>>  majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing the
>>>> sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>>>>  about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>>
>>>>  First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>>>>  to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>>>>  home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>>>>  apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>>>>  to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>>>>  option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>>>>  handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>>>>  asking too much.
>>>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>>>>  professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>>>>  can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>>>>  powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>>>>  be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>>>>  something wrong.
>>>>  I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>>>>  writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>>>>  professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>>>>  the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>>>>  powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>>>>  was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>>>
>>>>  I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>>>>  study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>>>>  understand genetics?
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>>
>>>>  Kerri
>>>>
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 01:21:38 2009
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:21:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SAT Prep Question
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Hi:

There is an article in the latest issue of Future Reflections about this.
Go to nfb.org, click on publications, then "Future Reflections."
Once there, click "view onscreen issues," then the latest issue Fall
2009 will be there. Click on that, then click on the article titled
"Taking The SAT Was the Easy Part."

Hope that helps some!

Kerri

On 12/10/09, Valerie Perry <vpbraille at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am posting the below email on this listserve in case any low vision
> college students have encounter this issue and can give input to this
> Transcriber. The student is not a braille reader.
>
> Thanks, Valerie
>
>
>
> From:  On Behalf Of Hertz, Jana
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:06 PM
> To: Valerie Perry
> Subject: [braille-n-teach] SAT Prep Question
>
> Hello Braille-n-Teachers,
>
> We have a low vision high school student (AP/IB Honors) who wants to take an
> SAT Prep class through a private tutorial organization such as Kaplan or
> Elite. Have any of you had any experience with this and/or recommendations?
> Parents are being told no modifications are allowed.
>
> Your input is most welcome! Thanks!
>
> Jana Hertz
>
> Certified Braille Transcriber/Alternate Media Specialist
>
> [if mail is returned undeliverable,
>
> please resend to JanaBrailles at aol.com]
>
> Program for Visually Impaired Students
>
> George White Elementary School P-5
>
> 25422 Chapparosa Park Drive
>
> Laguna Niguel, CA  92677
>
> (949) 489-7484
>
> Fax (949) 249-6781
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 01:43:25 2009
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:43:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
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Hi Everyone:

Just wanted to say thanks for the answers and welcomes!

Most of my profs have been more than accomodating in emailing handouts
and things to me...I was just curious if that was appropriate but now
I kow it is.

Thanks!
Kerri

On 12/9/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> Congratulations, Louana!
>
> Serena
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "l.sterling0" <l.sterling0 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
>
>
>> Hi Kerri, welcome to the list. You have got great ideas from the list on
>> your questions. One thing ask for anything that will make your class work
>> easier. I have noticed that all students sited or not will ask for what
>> will
>> make life easier for them.
>> Good luck on your college classes.
>> Also, I am a nontraditional student and will be graduating on Saturday
>> with
>> a degree in Psychology with a miner in history.
>> Good luck to all,
>> Louana Sterling
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kerri Kosten
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:50 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
>>
>> Hi All:
>>
>> I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>> to the convention in July.
>>
>> My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>> majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
>> the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>
>> I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>> about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>> First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>> to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>> home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>> apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>> to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>> option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>> handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>> asking too much.
>>
>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>> professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>> can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>> powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>> be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>> something wrong.
>> I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>> writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>> professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>> the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>> powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>> was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>
>> I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>> study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>> understand genetics?
>>
>> Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>
>> Kerri
>>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Fri Dec 11 02:35:28 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:35:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kerri and Calculus
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Hi Chelsea,
Hurray! Another math person. I'm majoring in actuarial science. I'll write
more once my exams are done, but I just wanted you to know I'll be able to
help, just in a week or so.
Happy studies,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Chelsea Cook
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 6:02 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Kerri and Calculus

Hi Kerri,

  I am Chelsea Cook.  Welcome to the NFB! You will find many 
great people here.
  I agree with what everyone is saying about E-mailing 
accommodations.  I'm a senior in high school, and for the past 
two years, my teachers have been awesome on E-mail.  Some have 
given me PowerPoint, others Word.  I use JAWS, and am not a fan 
of PDF, but that's me.  There is a way to convert PowerPoint to 
Word though (assuming no graphics are involved.)

1.  Open the PowerPoint.
2.  Press F6 until you hear JAWS say, "Outline view."
3.  Select all, copy and paste into Word.

  This procedure has gotten me far.
  With biology: It's not my favorite science (I hope to major in 
physics), but when I took it, I found a way to do the Punnent 
Squares mathematically.  (If math's not your thing, that's okay, 
but it's just what helped me because I didn't get it visually.) 
You can take each trait and FOIL (first, outer, inner, last), 
like you would do with any polynomial in Algebra.  Just multiply 
and distribute all the traits in the square, and your first and 
last or "squared" terms will be dominant.  The middle could go 
either way.  This works for a square with any grid size; for the 
bigger ones, you just may have to spend some more time 
multiplying it out, but that's just what got me through.  I'm a 
math person.
  Speaking of math (to all on list): I'm in AP.  Calculus this 
year and it is not going well.  My teacher rarely gives feedback 
and never stays after school, so when I have a question, I 
oftentimes can't ask it or get the detail I need to finish a 
problem.  It almost seems like she doesn't want to work with me 
(whether because I'm blind or just take too much time in her 
opinion, I can't tell).  Other students don't really understand 
the material enough to explain, and I don't know many people in 
the class.  What do you do when this comes up in college? The 
class moves very fast, and I want to be able to learn calculus (I 
know I can), but something just isn't clicking now.  Any advice? 
No one around here seems to want to know it for the math; they 
just seem to want credit for the course.

Thanks,
Chelsea
"I ask you to look both ways.  For the road to a knowledge of the 
stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom 
has been reached through the stars."
Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars 
and Atoms (1928), Lecture 1

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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 05:06:23 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:06:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introductionn, and a few questions
In-Reply-To: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091211050622.GA49166@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Kerri,

I used a ScanSnap S300 in class.  It worked remarkably well, and it 
was pretty quiet too--quieter than most inkjet printers.

That said, asking for an email copy is easily done.  Most of my 
professors made at least a good-faith effort to send these sorts of 
materials before class.  The ones who didn't weren't the best 
professors I've had for a variety of other reasons.

Joseph

-- 
How many children in America are not taught how to read?
If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/


On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 08:50:11PM -0500, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>Hi All:
>
>I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>to the convention in July.
>
>My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
>the sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>
>I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
>First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>asking too much.
>
>How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>something wrong.
>I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>was wondering how you guys handled that.
>
>I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>understand genetics?
>
>Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>
>Kerri
>
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 05:10:37 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:10:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <000301ca769c$65106730$2f313590$@com>
References: <000301ca769c$65106730$2f313590$@com>
Message-ID: <20091211051037.GB49166@yumi.bluecherry.net>

More properly, epub is the future, really.  It's just that before 
long, they'll likely be one and the same.

My one actual accomplishment at Western Oregon University (I did make 
one) was that the university now contacts publishers for electronic 
copies of books rather than doing the chop and scan thing.  I won't 
be able to say anything else useful occurred until some legal dust 
settles.  *sigh*

Joseph

-- 
How many children in America are not taught how to read?
If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/


On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 09:48:59AM -0800, Valerie Perry wrote:
>Thank you Joseph, I really appreciate you taking the time to educate those
>of us just now wading into the topic and as a braille transcribing student.
>
>
>
>The coordinator of our Alt media office at the college said me in a prior
>conversation and I quote, "I put stop to that Daisy thing a long time ago".
>I'm sure she is one person who would not welcome your opening input that,
>"Daisy is the future". It made laugh and had to share, scary to though .
>
>
>
>Thanks again, Valerie
>
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From iamantonio at cox.net  Fri Dec 11 14:00:08 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:00:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
Message-ID: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>

Hello all,

In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.

I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your thoughts and views on relationships.

Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have company? what's the difference.

Who pays? The male or female?

What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room for your "other" friends?

Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary works in Braille.

Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 
Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall 

From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 11 14:59:54 2009
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 06:59:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <8971F909CE174D21920742D4BE40F258@windows4c0ed96>

Hello Antonio,Sounds like this call in event would bbe very intriguing, can 
you tell us more about how to possibly participate?  Best,, Ginnie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:00 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Hello all,
>
> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I 
> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>
> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your 
> thoughts and views on relationships.
>
> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have 
> company? what's the difference.
>
> Who pays? The male or female?
>
> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room 
> for your "other" friends?
>
> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can 
> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
> works in Braille.
>
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 15:33:45 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:33:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912110733r2d2d8e14v5fce7b14ccbfba56@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the answers to my questions, and these won't apply now
because I don't currently have a significant other, but they will
apply ... huh?  These are my opinions though.

Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
company? what's the difference.
I date because I want to be loved and accepted.  In child psych, I
learned that most younger people date for status purposes.  But as
older people, we date because we love the person we're dating.
Who pays? The male or female?
Probably the male.  I had a good boyfriend who paid well for meals.
What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
room for your "other" friends?
Phil and I used to just hang around and do whatever we liked, and when
I had friends around, he was fine.  I still hung out with other
friends.  Boyfriends, especially, should never ever tell someone they
can't be around friends.  Friends are always important.
Beth

On 12/11/09, Antonio M. Guimaraes <iamantonio at cox.net> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>
> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
> thoughts and views on relationships.
>
> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have company?
> what's the difference.
>
> Who pays? The male or female?
>
> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room for
> your "other" friends?
>
> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can
> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
> works in Braille.
>
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 15:47:20 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 10:47:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nominations of Young Female Social Entrepreneurs Invited
	for Gladys Marinelli Coccia Awards
Message-ID: <FA15C9C6F2D244588B8A96A3A6D5F78D@Rufus>

Nominations of Young Female Social Entrepreneurs Invited for Gladys
Marinelli Coccia Awards

Youth Service America
 is accepting nominations for the first Gladys Marinelli Coccia Awards to
recognize two young female social entrepreneurs whose initiatives serve the
common
good. The awards were created in memory of Gladys Coccia, who began her
entrepreneurial career when she was a young girl in West Virginia and later
became
a very successful businesswoman in Washington, D.C. 

To be eligible for the award, nominees must be between the ages of 14 and 17
on January 1, 2010; reside in the United States; have started her own social
enterprise or organization; be supported by contributions of at least $1,000
(cash and/or in-kind); and have a business plan, including an itemized
budget.

Special consideration will be given to nominees from West Virginia and
metropolitan Washington, D.C. Self-nominations are accepted. 

The award includes $2,000 for the awardee's social enterprise and travel,
lodging, and registration expenses to the 
National Service Learning Conference
 in San Jose, March 24-27, 2010. The awardee will serve as a spokesperson
for YSA's initiatives, will be invited to serve on the executive board of 
Girls Helping Girls,
and will be provided access to YSA's resources to support and expand social
enterprise. Program information and application are available at the YSA Web
site. 

Contact:
http://ysa.org/grants/announcements/coccia-award
 

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 16:49:16 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:49:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <8971F909CE174D21920742D4BE40F258@windows4c0ed96>
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<8971F909CE174D21920742D4BE40F258@windows4c0ed96>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912110849k2f1a7031r416836f613d828e0@mail.gmail.com>

hhello,
   This call will take place on sunday; this sunday, infact.  it will
be at 7p.m. eastern time.
  the call-in information is as follows:
 712.775.7100
 passcode is 257963

 Darian

On 12/11/09, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hello Antonio,Sounds like this call in event would bbe very intriguing, can
> you tell us more about how to possibly participate?  Best,, Ginnie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:00 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
>> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>>
>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
>> thoughts and views on relationships.
>>
>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>> company? what's the difference.
>>
>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>
>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
>> for your "other" friends?
>>
>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can
>>
>> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
>>
>> works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Dec 11 22:08:41 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:08:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <000b01ca7aae$7fa86140$0301a8c0@Serene>

Hi all,

I don't currently have an SO, but I know two people who do, one sighted 
wheelchair user and one blind girl.  All of us, accept the older bf of the 
blind girl, lived on campus together.  The guy and his gf had their alone 
time, but, if there was a campus event they were going to and I wanted to 
go, they invited me to hang out.  When the older bf came to visit from LI, 
however, everybody knew when he was around and we left them alone!  I guess, 
the wquestion of other friends varies according to the intensity of the 
relationship and how well both people know the other friends.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Hello all,
>
> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I 
> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>
> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your 
> thoughts and views on relationships.
>
> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have 
> company? what's the difference.
>
> Who pays? The male or female?
>
> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room 
> for your "other" friends?
>
> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can 
> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
> works in Braille.
>
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 00:22:56 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 16:22:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <000b01ca7aae$7fa86140$0301a8c0@Serene>
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<000b01ca7aae$7fa86140$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912111622t63f78660te631664d4b3d6d88@mail.gmail.com>

I think that the question of alone time and such is not just something
exslusive to the blind.
 it's something that  everybody thinks about

  Darian

On 12/11/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I don't currently have an SO, but I know two people who do, one sighted
> wheelchair user and one blind girl.  All of us, accept the older bf of the
> blind girl, lived on campus together.  The guy and his gf had their alone
> time, but, if there was a campus event they were going to and I wanted to
> go, they invited me to hang out.  When the older bf came to visit from LI,
> however, everybody knew when he was around and we left them alone!  I guess,
> the wquestion of other friends varies according to the intensity of the
> relationship and how well both people know the other friends.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:00 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
>> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>>
>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
>> thoughts and views on relationships.
>>
>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>> company? what's the difference.
>>
>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>
>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
>> for your "other" friends?
>>
>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can
>>
>> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
>>
>> works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Dec 12 00:37:05 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 19:37:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb><000b01ca7aae$7fa86140$0301a8c0@Serene>
	<409c235c0912111622t63f78660te631664d4b3d6d88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca7ac3$3ae49230$0301a8c0@Serene>

I didn't say it was and agree that it isn't.  It's jus that 2 of the people 
involved in my senario are blind.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


>I think that the question of alone time and such is not just something
> exslusive to the blind.
> it's something that  everybody thinks about
>
>  Darian
>
> On 12/11/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I don't currently have an SO, but I know two people who do, one sighted
>> wheelchair user and one blind girl.  All of us, accept the older bf of 
>> the
>> blind girl, lived on campus together.  The guy and his gf had their alone
>> time, but, if there was a campus event they were going to and I wanted to
>> go, they invited me to hang out.  When the older bf came to visit from 
>> LI,
>> however, everybody knew when he was around and we left them alone!  I 
>> guess,
>> the wquestion of other friends varies according to the intensity of the
>> relationship and how well both people know the other friends.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:00 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
>>> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>>>
>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
>>> thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>
>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>
>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>
>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
>>> for your "other" friends?
>>>
>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I 
>>> can
>>>
>>> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number 
>>> of
>>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great 
>>> literary
>>>
>>> works in Braille.
>>>
>>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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>
>
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> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
> help!   To Get Involved  go to:
> www.TeachBlindStudents.org
>
>
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Sat Dec 12 00:40:47 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:40:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <21A20E35B7654189BEE2D26183BF6848@melissa>

Hey what about this question.
what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the 
diference?
I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
That is not a good sign.
That is unhealthy.

Sincerely,
Melissa Green
Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's because
of Christ I am able to stand!!!
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Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
twitter: melissa5674
msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
Skype: lissa5674

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Hello all,
>
> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>
> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
> thoughts and views on relationships.
>
> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
> company? what's the difference.
>
> Who pays? The male or female?
>
> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
> for your "other" friends?
>
> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can
> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
> works in Braille.
>
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
> _______________________________________________
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 02:12:43 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:12:43 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <21A20E35B7654189BEE2D26183BF6848@melissa>
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<21A20E35B7654189BEE2D26183BF6848@melissa>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912111812n3f589716re07012e851c5fb35@mail.gmail.com>

Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
aware you did.
  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.  I
honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope that more
contributions  are added to this string and that you all  are able to
attend the call and share your views on this stuff! I love it.
 Thanks Antonio!
 Darian

On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
> Hey what about this question.
> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
> diference?
> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
> That is not a good sign.
> That is unhealthy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Melissa Green
> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's because
> of Christ I am able to stand!!!
> Live journal topaz5674
> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
> twitter: melissa5674
> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
> Skype: lissa5674
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
>> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>>
>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
>> thoughts and views on relationships.
>>
>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>> company? what's the difference.
>>
>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>
>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
>> for your "other" friends?
>>
>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can
>> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
>> works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 02:24:25 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:24:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <21A20E35B7654189BEE2D26183BF6848@melissa>
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<21A20E35B7654189BEE2D26183BF6848@melissa>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912111824n6cab05fat833e490a14273780@mail.gmail.com>

Right.  Dating and a relationship involve two things.  Dating involves
going out, but I've given up on the conventional date and gone instead
to look elsewhere for a date/relationship.  I think a relationship
should involve love and emotional support which is why I've decided to
take up the age-old question of whether to date a blind man.  As a
blind woman, I think a sighted man might think I can't do anything.
But a blind man might be strong and steady and stand up for me
whenever I do something right.  We might not be able to drive each
other everywhere, but we will be able to take walks in a garden or
perhaps both raise our kids in the future with a better understanding
of the world.  The kids would be taught how to arrange rides to their
destinations like their blind parents and so forth.  The kids would
NEVER EVER be allowed to go out on their own before a certain age and
I'd have all my expectations marked down because I have a resourceful
partner.  But that's a whole other subject.  It all has to begin with
someone who should be more than just a partner in life, but more like
someone who understands what I'm going through every day.
Sincerely,
Beth
P.S. The guy I choose should never ever make me give up my friends.

On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
> Hey what about this question.
> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
> diference?
> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
> That is not a good sign.
> That is unhealthy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Melissa Green
> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's because
> of Christ I am able to stand!!!
> Live journal topaz5674
> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
> twitter: melissa5674
> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
> Skype: lissa5674
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
>> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>>
>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
>> thoughts and views on relationships.
>>
>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>> company? what's the difference.
>>
>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>
>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
>> for your "other" friends?
>>
>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I can
>> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
>> works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>> _______________________________________________
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From jonte711 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 02:43:17 2009
From: jonte711 at gmail.com (jonte)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:43:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora and JAWS
Message-ID: <4b2302b1.c401be0a.2800.ffff8718@mx.google.com>

Hello,
Is pandora.com truly inaccessible with JAWS or is there something that I'm not doing right? I had to rely entirely on sighted assistance when creating stations and going through them because the only way to do it was by using the mouse. I was so disappointed! Any helpful information would be greatly appreciated.
Jonte Bouchard

From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Sat Dec 12 14:22:29 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:22:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora and JAWS
References: <4b2302b1.c401be0a.2800.ffff8718@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <44BED763185546E697B31CA6BDC99D19@Hope>

Hello Jonte. Pandora.com is inaccessible with jaws. I had an email 
correspondence with one of the staff members and she informed me that they 
are working on  making pandora accessible with screen readers.

Hope Paulos and Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jonte" <jonte711 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:43 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Pandora and JAWS


> Hello,
> Is pandora.com truly inaccessible with JAWS or is there something that I'm 
> not doing right? I had to rely entirely on sighted assistance when 
> creating stations and going through them because the only way to do it was 
> by using the mouse. I was so disappointed! Any helpful information would 
> be greatly appreciated.
> Jonte Bouchard
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 17:04:51 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:04:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0912111812n3f589716re07012e851c5fb35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <210E7520AA0D4093A4C00AE191EEFA94@Rufus>

Hello,

I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic.  Definitions of what constitutes
healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that has universal
appeal to both blind and sighted people alike.  Twelve hour's worth of
discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good definition,
because each person's perspectives are so different.

Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and relationships has a very
significant influence on the work of a student division.  Is it a good
social talk?  Most definitely.  Will it get us any closer to making NABS
compete for influence over students who need to learn about independence?  I
don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker.  I think it comes down to
strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the better venue would
be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.

Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, so here are the
questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way that may help
participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to seduce and
conquer.

1. What are some good websites that give detailed descriptions of current
fashions and general clothing lines?

2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items of clothing,
and what are some good expectations to set for them so that they do not
dress you according to their personal views?

3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup?  Are there stores
that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?

4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
maintenance, etc.

5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?

6. How do you pull off using taxis?  How do you decide on this versus public
transportation?  If you're walking, how do you survey the terrain?  Do you
take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?

7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the sighted guide?

8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you are doing as
much of it independently and minimize the need for questions once you are
there?

There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these questions will
generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I think would be a
better return on your investment of time.  My senior year in high school I
actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in advance
so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom locations, that
sort of thing.  My friend and I, who would end up double dating with two
ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in relation
to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after the dance, and
while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure you that on the
night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was on where the
heck we might or might not end up.  Some people might find excitement from
being adventurous.  There is a way to accomplish this, but this has to do
with your confidence as a traveler.  If you do not feel comfortable
deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of Restaurant Y, you
have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not you're going to
ask the girl out.

At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the conversation
should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the Membership guys for
holding these calls.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships

Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
aware you did.
  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.  
I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope 
that more contributions  are added to this string and that you 
all  are able to attend the call and share your views on this 
stuff! I love it.
 Thanks Antonio!
 Darian

On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
> Hey what about this question.
> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the 
> diference?
> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
> That is not a good sign.
> That is unhealthy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Melissa Green
> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's 
> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
> Live journal topaz5674
> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
> twitter: melissa5674
> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
> Skype: lissa5674
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and 
>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about 
the subject.
>>
>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear 
>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>
>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have 
>> company? what's the difference.
>>
>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>
>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about 
>> room for your "other" friends?
>>
>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as 
>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of 
>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an 
>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all 
>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 13 02:13:18 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:13:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braille activity ideas
Message-ID: <8A72A459AA184767BE8AF92E22149302@Ashley>

Hi all,

What are some ideas for braille activities to have fun and practice braille for adults?  Some will be reading uncontracted braille.  I want to do something around Louis Braille's birthday at the state training center.  I was thinking of some things done at the braille carnival but making it for adults.  

My ideas include a scavenger hunt, cake walk with braille numbers, and a pyramid game.

Thanks.
Ashley

From iamantonio at cox.net  Sun Dec 13 08:03:02 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:03:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <F6EEBADC6B30459FB4877F8FF0CA9E25@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<21A20E35B7654189BEE2D26183BF6848@melissa>
Message-ID: <9F7240CC7F924E1BBD3A3BA8884CD563@userf9b4fa60eb>

Melissa,

You ask a good question, and make a good point.

To go out on a date, and to be in a relationship are two distinct things, 
but the line is blurred when you consider that, for the most part, people go 
out on dates to get to know the other person better. This is, I think, 
typically to get to know the other person better in a romantic sense.

If I go out to dinner with a female friend during convention, are we on a 
date? Not necessarily.

Still, going on dates is clearly not yet being in a relationship, but when 
two people are in a relationship they are said to be dating, or going 
steady, or going out.

But if I just go out to dinner with a friend, we are not dating.

English is a funny thing.

Antonio Guimaraes

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trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
works in Braille.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melissa Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Hey what about this question.
> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the 
> diference?
> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
> That is not a good sign.
> That is unhealthy.
>
> Sincerely,
> Melissa Green
> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's 
> because
> of Christ I am able to stand!!!
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> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and relationships, I
>> wanted to get some of you thinking about the subject.
>>
>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear your
>> thoughts and views on relationships.
>>
>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>> company? what's the difference.
>>
>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>
>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about room
>> for your "other" friends?
>>
>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as I 
>> can
>> about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great 
>> literary
>> works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
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From iamantonio at cox.net  Sun Dec 13 08:30:04 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:30:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <210E7520AA0D4093A4C00AE191EEFA94@Rufus>
Message-ID: <602D6CD4F91C49EBA6361B43B2BD67B5@userf9b4fa60eb>

Hello Joe and others,

I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference call topic, 
and its relevance to blind students. I am a member of the membership 
committee, and a guest speaker on the call, so you may take my comments 
witha grain of salt.

1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of whether one is 
blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people to be not much different 
from the sighted public. While NABS is a blind student organization, and 
should focus on blind student topics, we recognize that students around the 
age of most of our members may face some insecurities around dating, and 
relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness, such as 
table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body language, and figure 
out if a girl is looking at you in a flirtatious way, and what is 
appropriate dating behavior?

If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection, and previous 
relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I certainly was, and 
blindness came into view for me. Do sighted women want to date me, a blind 
guy who can't give her the football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend 
drives a nice car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer in 
the way of such superficial things.

Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim a 70 percent 
unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be taking the object of my 
attraction on dates, or even take cabs to see her?

Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?

The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB, and of NABS. 
We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and pursuing our 
dreams.

2. The membership committee has held conference calls in previous years, and 
one this year, and attendance was slim. Why, I ask? Why does our membership 
not show up to the calls? A few might criticize the way this is done, or how 
that is accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting and 
informative, and less people than have taken part in this thread showed up.

I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will bring is 
some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all work and no play. I hope 
that people show up to this call, and future ones, and give input, and 
constructive criticism. I also hope that the topic interests people, and 
brings more people in to participating in the calls.

3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student division, seminar, 
why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS activities, like a conference 
call?

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
works in Braille.

Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Hello,
>
> I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic.  Definitions of what constitutes
> healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that has universal
> appeal to both blind and sighted people alike.  Twelve hour's worth of
> discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good definition,
> because each person's perspectives are so different.
>
> Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and relationships has a very
> significant influence on the work of a student division.  Is it a good
> social talk?  Most definitely.  Will it get us any closer to making NABS
> compete for influence over students who need to learn about independence? 
> I
> don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker.  I think it comes down 
> to
> strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the better venue would
> be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>
> Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, so here are 
> the
> questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way that may help
> participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to seduce and
> conquer.
>
> 1. What are some good websites that give detailed descriptions of current
> fashions and general clothing lines?
>
> 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items of clothing,
> and what are some good expectations to set for them so that they do not
> dress you according to their personal views?
>
> 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup?  Are there stores
> that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>
> 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
> maintenance, etc.
>
> 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>
> 6. How do you pull off using taxis?  How do you decide on this versus 
> public
> transportation?  If you're walking, how do you survey the terrain?  Do you
> take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>
> 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
> expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the sighted guide?
>
> 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you are doing as
> much of it independently and minimize the need for questions once you are
> there?
>
> There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these questions will
> generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I think would be a
> better return on your investment of time.  My senior year in high school I
> actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in 
> advance
> so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom locations, that
> sort of thing.  My friend and I, who would end up double dating with two
> ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in 
> relation
> to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after the dance, and
> while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure you that on 
> the
> night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was on where the
> heck we might or might not end up.  Some people might find excitement from
> being adventurous.  There is a way to accomplish this, but this has to do
> with your confidence as a traveler.  If you do not feel comfortable
> deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of Restaurant Y, 
> you
> have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not you're going 
> to
> ask the girl out.
>
> At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the conversation
> should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the Membership guys for
> holding these calls.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
> Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
> aware you did.
>  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
> I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
> that more contributions  are added to this string and that you
> all  are able to attend the call and share your views on this
> stuff! I love it.
> Thanks Antonio!
> Darian
>
> On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>> Hey what about this question.
>> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>> diference?
>> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>> That is not a good sign.
>> That is unhealthy.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Melissa Green
>> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's
>> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
>> Live journal topaz5674
>> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
>> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
>> twitter: melissa5674
>> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
>> Skype: lissa5674
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
> the subject.
>>>
>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>
>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>
>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>
>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>>> room for your "other" friends?
>>>
>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
>>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>>
>>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
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>
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> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
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From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 13 15:50:03 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 10:50:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <602D6CD4F91C49EBA6361B43B2BD67B5@userf9b4fa60eb>
References: <210E7520AA0D4093A4C00AE191EEFA94@Rufus>,
	<602D6CD4F91C49EBA6361B43B2BD67B5@userf9b4fa60eb>
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Antonio, I suggest an online chat. Thanks for passing my suggession along to the committee. It would not create a high phone bill for people to have an online chat rather than a phone call for two hours. Albert
 
> From: iamantonio at cox.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:30:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
> 
> Hello Joe and others,
> 
> I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference call topic, 
> and its relevance to blind students. I am a member of the membership 
> committee, and a guest speaker on the call, so you may take my comments 
> witha grain of salt.
> 
> 1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of whether one is 
> blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people to be not much different 
> from the sighted public. While NABS is a blind student organization, and 
> should focus on blind student topics, we recognize that students around the 
> age of most of our members may face some insecurities around dating, and 
> relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness, such as 
> table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body language, and figure 
> out if a girl is looking at you in a flirtatious way, and what is 
> appropriate dating behavior?
> 
> If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection, and previous 
> relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I certainly was, and 
> blindness came into view for me. Do sighted women want to date me, a blind 
> guy who can't give her the football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend 
> drives a nice car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer in 
> the way of such superficial things.
> 
> Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim a 70 percent 
> unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be taking the object of my 
> attraction on dates, or even take cabs to see her?
> 
> Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?
> 
> The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB, and of NABS. 
> We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and pursuing our 
> dreams.
> 
> 2. The membership committee has held conference calls in previous years, and 
> one this year, and attendance was slim. Why, I ask? Why does our membership 
> not show up to the calls? A few might criticize the way this is done, or how 
> that is accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting and 
> informative, and less people than have taken part in this thread showed up.
> 
> I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will bring is 
> some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all work and no play. I hope 
> that people show up to this call, and future ones, and give input, and 
> constructive criticism. I also hope that the topic interests people, and 
> brings more people in to participating in the calls.
> 
> 3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student division, seminar, 
> why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS activities, like a conference 
> call?
> 
> Antonio Guimaraes
> 
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
> works in Braille.
> 
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic. Definitions of what constitutes
> > healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that has universal
> > appeal to both blind and sighted people alike. Twelve hour's worth of
> > discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good definition,
> > because each person's perspectives are so different.
> >
> > Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and relationships has a very
> > significant influence on the work of a student division. Is it a good
> > social talk? Most definitely. Will it get us any closer to making NABS
> > compete for influence over students who need to learn about independence? 
> > I
> > don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker. I think it comes down 
> > to
> > strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the better venue would
> > be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
> >
> > Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, so here are 
> > the
> > questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way that may help
> > participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to seduce and
> > conquer.
> >
> > 1. What are some good websites that give detailed descriptions of current
> > fashions and general clothing lines?
> >
> > 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items of clothing,
> > and what are some good expectations to set for them so that they do not
> > dress you according to their personal views?
> >
> > 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup? Are there stores
> > that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
> >
> > 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
> > maintenance, etc.
> >
> > 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
> >
> > 6. How do you pull off using taxis? How do you decide on this versus 
> > public
> > transportation? If you're walking, how do you survey the terrain? Do you
> > take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
> >
> > 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
> > expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the sighted guide?
> >
> > 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you are doing as
> > much of it independently and minimize the need for questions once you are
> > there?
> >
> > There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these questions will
> > generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I think would be a
> > better return on your investment of time. My senior year in high school I
> > actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in 
> > advance
> > so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom locations, that
> > sort of thing. My friend and I, who would end up double dating with two
> > ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in 
> > relation
> > to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after the dance, and
> > while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure you that on 
> > the
> > night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was on where the
> > heck we might or might not end up. Some people might find excitement from
> > being adventurous. There is a way to accomplish this, but this has to do
> > with your confidence as a traveler. If you do not feel comfortable
> > deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of Restaurant Y, 
> > you
> > have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not you're going 
> > to
> > ask the girl out.
> >
> > At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the conversation
> > should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the Membership guys for
> > holding these calls.
> >
> > Joe Orozco
> >
> > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> > crowd."--Max Lucado
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
> >
> > Melissa, you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
> > aware you did.
> > The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
> > I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
> > that more contributions are added to this string and that you
> > all are able to attend the call and share your views on this
> > stuff! I love it.
> > Thanks Antonio!
> > Darian
> >
> > On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
> >> Hey what about this question.
> >> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
> >> diference?
> >> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
> >> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
> >> That is not a good sign.
> >> That is unhealthy.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Melissa Green
> >> Without Christ I am nothing, Without me Christ is still God. It's
> >> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
> >> Live journal topaz5674
> >> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
> >> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
> >> twitter: melissa5674
> >> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
> >> Skype: lissa5674
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
> >>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
> > the subject.
> >>>
> >>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
> >>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
> >>>
> >>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
> >>> company? what's the difference.
> >>>
> >>> Who pays? The male or female?
> >>>
> >>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
> >>> room for your "other" friends?
> >>>
> >>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
> >>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
> >>>
> >>> Antonio Guimaraes
> >>>
> >>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
> >>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
> >>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
> >>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
> >>>
> >>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> >>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
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> > past and future generations,
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> > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 16:48:13 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 11:48:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents Dating and
	Relationships
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Hi all, 

 

Just a reminder that tonight, at 7PM Eastern, 6 Central, 5 Mountain, 6
Pacific is the second conference call in our series. The topic to be
discussed is dating and relationships. The call-in info is 712.775.7100
passcode 257963. Be there, or be circle! 

 

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 16:57:29 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:57:29 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <SNT133-w49787B47E0565D6E4F79848B8A0@phx.gbl>
References: <210E7520AA0D4093A4C00AE191EEFA94@Rufus>
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	<SNT133-w49787B47E0565D6E4F79848B8A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <85ff10070912130857r5b9fc0b4x873675790d7c5fb2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

How about this:
If you meet someone you think is attractive/interesting, as a blind
person, how do you try to interact with them again, or get to know
them better, without being overly aggressive or obvious about your
interest in them? How do you tell if someone you like might be
interested in you?

I think this is particularly tricky if you are in a common situation
like a class or group with the person, where you see them a lot, but
unless you know their voice, approaching them and starting a
conversation while remaining casual can be difficult.

Arielle

On 12/14/09, Albert Yoo <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Antonio, I suggest an online chat. Thanks for passing my suggession along to
> the committee. It would not create a high phone bill for people to have an
> online chat rather than a phone call for two hours. Albert
>
>> From: iamantonio at cox.net
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:30:04 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>> Hello Joe and others,
>>
>> I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference call topic,
>>
>> and its relevance to blind students. I am a member of the membership
>> committee, and a guest speaker on the call, so you may take my comments
>> witha grain of salt.
>>
>> 1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of whether one
>> is
>> blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people to be not much different
>> from the sighted public. While NABS is a blind student organization, and
>> should focus on blind student topics, we recognize that students around
>> the
>> age of most of our members may face some insecurities around dating, and
>> relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness, such as
>> table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body language, and
>> figure
>> out if a girl is looking at you in a flirtatious way, and what is
>> appropriate dating behavior?
>>
>> If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection, and previous
>>
>> relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I certainly was, and
>> blindness came into view for me. Do sighted women want to date me, a blind
>>
>> guy who can't give her the football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend
>> drives a nice car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer
>> in
>> the way of such superficial things.
>>
>> Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim a 70
>> percent
>> unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be taking the object of my
>> attraction on dates, or even take cabs to see her?
>>
>> Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?
>>
>> The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB, and of NABS.
>>
>> We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and pursuing
>> our
>> dreams.
>>
>> 2. The membership committee has held conference calls in previous years,
>> and
>> one this year, and attendance was slim. Why, I ask? Why does our
>> membership
>> not show up to the calls? A few might criticize the way this is done, or
>> how
>> that is accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting and
>> informative, and less people than have taken part in this thread showed
>> up.
>>
>> I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will bring is
>> some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all work and no play. I
>> hope
>> that people show up to this call, and future ones, and give input, and
>> constructive criticism. I also hope that the topic interests people, and
>> brings more people in to participating in the calls.
>>
>> 3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student division, seminar,
>> why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS activities, like a conference
>> call?
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup
>> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of
>> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary
>>
>> works in Braille.
>>
>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic. Definitions of what constitutes
>> > healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that has universal
>> > appeal to both blind and sighted people alike. Twelve hour's worth of
>> > discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good
>> > definition,
>> > because each person's perspectives are so different.
>> >
>> > Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and relationships has a
>> > very
>> > significant influence on the work of a student division. Is it a good
>> > social talk? Most definitely. Will it get us any closer to making NABS
>> > compete for influence over students who need to learn about
>> > independence?
>> > I
>> > don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker. I think it comes down
>> >
>> > to
>> > strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the better venue
>> > would
>> > be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>> >
>> > Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, so here are
>> >
>> > the
>> > questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way that may
>> > help
>> > participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to seduce and
>> > conquer.
>> >
>> > 1. What are some good websites that give detailed descriptions of
>> > current
>> > fashions and general clothing lines?
>> >
>> > 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items of
>> > clothing,
>> > and what are some good expectations to set for them so that they do not
>> > dress you according to their personal views?
>> >
>> > 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup? Are there stores
>> > that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>> >
>> > 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
>> > maintenance, etc.
>> >
>> > 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>> >
>> > 6. How do you pull off using taxis? How do you decide on this versus
>> > public
>> > transportation? If you're walking, how do you survey the terrain? Do you
>> > take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>> >
>> > 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
>> > expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the sighted
>> > guide?
>> >
>> > 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you are doing as
>> > much of it independently and minimize the need for questions once you
>> > are
>> > there?
>> >
>> > There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these questions
>> > will
>> > generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I think would be
>> > a
>> > better return on your investment of time. My senior year in high school
>> > I
>> > actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in
>> > advance
>> > so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom locations,
>> > that
>> > sort of thing. My friend and I, who would end up double dating with two
>> > ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in
>> > relation
>> > to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after the dance,
>> > and
>> > while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure you that on
>> >
>> > the
>> > night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was on where
>> > the
>> > heck we might or might not end up. Some people might find excitement
>> > from
>> > being adventurous. There is a way to accomplish this, but this has to do
>> > with your confidence as a traveler. If you do not feel comfortable
>> > deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of Restaurant Y,
>> >
>> > you
>> > have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not you're going
>> >
>> > to
>> > ask the girl out.
>> >
>> > At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the
>> > conversation
>> > should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the Membership guys
>> > for
>> > holding these calls.
>> >
>> > Joe Orozco
>> >
>> > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> > crowd."--Max Lucado
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>> >
>> > Melissa, you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
>> > aware you did.
>> > The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
>> > I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
>> > that more contributions are added to this string and that you
>> > all are able to attend the call and share your views on this
>> > stuff! I love it.
>> > Thanks Antonio!
>> > Darian
>> >
>> > On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>> >> Hey what about this question.
>> >> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>> >> diference?
>> >> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>> >> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>> >> That is not a good sign.
>> >> That is unhealthy.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Melissa Green
>> >> Without Christ I am nothing, Without me Christ is still God. It's
>> >> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
>> >> Live journal topaz5674
>> >> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
>> >> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
>> >> twitter: melissa5674
>> >> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
>> >> Skype: lissa5674
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>> >>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
>> > the subject.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>> >>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>> >>> company? what's the difference.
>> >>>
>> >>> Who pays? The male or female?
>> >>>
>> >>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>> >>> room for your "other" friends?
>> >>>
>> >>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
>> >>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>> >>>
>> >>> Antonio Guimaraes
>> >>>
>> >>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>> >>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>> >>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>> >>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>> >>>
>> >>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
>> >>> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
>> >>> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
>> >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>
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>> >> Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a
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>> >
>> > --
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>> > teacher recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and
>> > passionate individuals into the field of blindness education,
>> > and we need your
>> > help! To Get Involved go to:
>> > www.TeachBlindStudents.org
>> >
>> >
>> > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>> > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>> > before us;
>> > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>> > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>> > past and future generations,
>> > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>> > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>> > done, and
>> > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>> >
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 17:28:55 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:28:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <SNT133-w49787B47E0565D6E4F79848B8A0@phx.gbl>
References: <210E7520AA0D4093A4C00AE191EEFA94@Rufus>,
	<602D6CD4F91C49EBA6361B43B2BD67B5@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<SNT133-w49787B47E0565D6E4F79848B8A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DDC27AE1-342A-415C-A619-20E9EAD01160@gmail.com>

Albert,

Keep in mind that this conference call is being held on a Sunday, when  
most people have unlimited cell phone minutes. It's unfortunate if you  
don't have that, but I do believe this sort of topic does better on  
the phone than an online chat. I don't want to spur a "how should  
conference calls be run" thread, but just my thoughts.

An 800-number would be even more expensive for the student division,  
too.

Corbb

On Dec 13, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Albert Yoo wrote:


Antonio, I suggest an online chat. Thanks for passing my suggession  
along to the committee. It would not create a high phone bill for  
people to have an online chat rather than a phone call for two hours.  
Albert

> From: iamantonio at cox.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:30:04 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
> Hello Joe and others,
>
> I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference call  
> topic,
> and its relevance to blind students. I am a member of the membership
> committee, and a guest speaker on the call, so you may take my  
> comments
> witha grain of salt.
>
> 1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of  
> whether one is
> blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people to be not much  
> different
> from the sighted public. While NABS is a blind student organization,  
> and
> should focus on blind student topics, we recognize that students  
> around the
> age of most of our members may face some insecurities around dating,  
> and
> relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness, such  
> as
> table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body language,  
> and figure
> out if a girl is looking at you in a flirtatious way, and what is
> appropriate dating behavior?
>
> If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection, and  
> previous
> relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I certainly was, and
> blindness came into view for me. Do sighted women want to date me, a  
> blind
> guy who can't give her the football boyfriend status, or the my  
> boyfriend
> drives a nice car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't  
> offer in
> the way of such superficial things.
>
> Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim a 70  
> percent
> unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be taking the object of  
> my
> attraction on dates, or even take cabs to see her?
>
> Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?
>
> The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB, and of  
> NABS.
> We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and  
> pursuing our
> dreams.
>
> 2. The membership committee has held conference calls in previous  
> years, and
> one this year, and attendance was slim. Why, I ask? Why does our  
> membership
> not show up to the calls? A few might criticize the way this is  
> done, or how
> that is accomplished, but I thought our previous call was  
> interesting and
> informative, and less people than have taken part in this thread  
> showed up.
>
> I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will  
> bring is
> some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all work and no play.  
> I hope
> that people show up to this call, and future ones, and give input, and
> constructive criticism. I also hope that the topic interests people,  
> and
> brings more people in to participating in the calls.
>
> 3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student division,  
> seminar,
> why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS activities, like a  
> conference
> call?
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of  
> pickup
> trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite  
> number of
> highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great  
> literary
> works in Braille.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic. Definitions of what constitutes
>> healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that has  
>> universal
>> appeal to both blind and sighted people alike. Twelve hour's worth of
>> discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good  
>> definition,
>> because each person's perspectives are so different.
>>
>> Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and relationships has  
>> a very
>> significant influence on the work of a student division. Is it a good
>> social talk? Most definitely. Will it get us any closer to making  
>> NABS
>> compete for influence over students who need to learn about  
>> independence?
>> I
>> don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker. I think it comes  
>> down
>> to
>> strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the better  
>> venue would
>> be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>>
>> Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, so  
>> here are
>> the
>> questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way that  
>> may help
>> participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to  
>> seduce and
>> conquer.
>>
>> 1. What are some good websites that give detailed descriptions of  
>> current
>> fashions and general clothing lines?
>>
>> 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items of  
>> clothing,
>> and what are some good expectations to set for them so that they do  
>> not
>> dress you according to their personal views?
>>
>> 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup? Are there  
>> stores
>> that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>>
>> 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial  
>> hair
>> maintenance, etc.
>>
>> 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>>
>> 6. How do you pull off using taxis? How do you decide on this versus
>> public
>> transportation? If you're walking, how do you survey the terrain?  
>> Do you
>> take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>>
>> 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
>> expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the sighted  
>> guide?
>>
>> 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you are  
>> doing as
>> much of it independently and minimize the need for questions once  
>> you are
>> there?
>>
>> There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these  
>> questions will
>> generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I think  
>> would be a
>> better return on your investment of time. My senior year in high  
>> school I
>> actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in
>> advance
>> so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom  
>> locations, that
>> sort of thing. My friend and I, who would end up double dating with  
>> two
>> ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in
>> relation
>> to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after the  
>> dance, and
>> while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure you  
>> that on
>> the
>> night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was on  
>> where the
>> heck we might or might not end up. Some people might find  
>> excitement from
>> being adventurous. There is a way to accomplish this, but this has  
>> to do
>> with your confidence as a traveler. If you do not feel comfortable
>> deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of  
>> Restaurant Y,
>> you
>> have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not you're  
>> going
>> to
>> ask the girl out.
>>
>> At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the  
>> conversation
>> should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the Membership  
>> guys for
>> holding these calls.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>> Melissa, you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
>> aware you did.
>> The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
>> I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
>> that more contributions are added to this string and that you
>> all are able to attend the call and share your views on this
>> stuff! I love it.
>> Thanks Antonio!
>> Darian
>>
>> On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>> Hey what about this question.
>>> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>>> diference?
>>> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>>> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>>> That is not a good sign.
>>> That is unhealthy.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Melissa Green
>>> Without Christ I am nothing, Without me Christ is still God. It's
>>> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
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>>> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
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>>> Skype: lissa5674
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>>>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
>> the subject.
>>>>
>>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>>>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>>
>>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>>
>>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>>
>>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>>>> room for your "other" friends?
>>>>
>>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much  
>>>> as
>>>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>>>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>>>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>>>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>>>
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 18:52:52 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:52:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents Dating
	andRelationships
In-Reply-To: <4b251ac9.9753f10a.612a.ffffe74c@mx.google.com>
References: <4b251ac9.9753f10a.612a.ffffe74c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DEE2044DBDA540E9A8CEE92683C3C311@SonyPC>

Would it be possible to put the highlights of the conference call out onn 
email for those of us that will not be able to attend the conference call?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents Dating 
andRelationships


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just a reminder that tonight, at 7PM Eastern, 6 Central, 5 Mountain, 6
> Pacific is the second conference call in our series. The topic to be
> discussed is dating and relationships. The call-in info is 712.775.7100
> passcode 257963. Be there, or be circle!
>
>
>
> Take care,
>
>
>
> Liz, Membership Committee
>
>
>
> email:
>
> <mailto:liz.bottner at gmail.com> liz.bottner at gmail.com
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Dec 13 21:35:21 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:35:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
Message-ID: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi all,
I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but is there a way to convert pdf files to
word (for embossing purposes) without using an external program that you
have to download/pay for?
Thank you,
Sarah



From withat at msn.com  Sun Dec 13 21:52:02 2009
From: withat at msn.com (Johnston)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:52:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl>

Hi Sarah,
If it's a text-based PDF, you can copy and paste.  If not, I'm not aware of 
a way.  Your local library might have Kurzweil; it's worth a call.  Good 
luck!

Jay
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents


> Hi all,
> I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but is there a way to convert pdf files to
> word (for embossing purposes) without using an external program that you
> have to download/pay for?
> Thank you,
> Sarah
>
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Dec 13 22:24:17 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:24:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl>
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
	<BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004601ca7c43$02811ef0$07835cd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Thank you Jay. I'll check that out. I don't know why I forget about
Kurzweil's ability to work with pdf's...

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Johnston
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents

Hi Sarah,
If it's a text-based PDF, you can copy and paste.  If not, I'm not aware of 
a way.  Your local library might have Kurzweil; it's worth a call.  Good 
luck!

Jay
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:35 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents


> Hi all,
> I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but is there a way to convert pdf files to
> word (for embossing purposes) without using an external program that you
> have to download/pay for?
> Thank you,
> Sarah
>
>
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From withat at msn.com  Sun Dec 13 23:14:09 2009
From: withat at msn.com (Johnston)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:14:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca><BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl>
	<004601ca7c43$02811ef0$07835cd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP130F747ADA1CFCC5E4F4DCD28A0@phx.gbl>

No problem, Sara.  In case you didn't know, you don't need to save a PDF and 
open it in K1000 in order to convert it.  From within the PDF, go to Print, 
and change your printer selection to KESI Virtual Printer, and click the 
Print button.  It will automatically open K1000, which will begin 
recognition of the file.

Jay
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents


> Thank you Jay. I'll check that out. I don't know why I forget about
> Kurzweil's ability to work with pdf's...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Johnston
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:52 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>
> Hi Sarah,
> If it's a text-based PDF, you can copy and paste.  If not, I'm not aware 
> of
> a way.  Your local library might have Kurzweil; it's worth a call.  Good
> luck!
>
> Jay
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:35 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but is there a way to convert pdf files 
>> to
>> word (for embossing purposes) without using an external program that you
>> have to download/pay for?
>> Thank you,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 23:26:49 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:26:49 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
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Hi Kerri,

These are all good points. It sounds like you have pretty good Braille
and technology skills already, so you should be fine with taking your
own notes. The HTML view works great for PowerPoints.  In my
experience, though, I haven't found not having access to lecture
slides to be a big loss as far as learning content goes. I've looked
at PowerPoints and almost always find them to be repetitive and
redundant with what I've already learned either from the verbal
lecture or from the textbook. When we first start college, it's easy
to assume that if we aren't getting all the content that our sighted
peers are getting, then we are at a disadvantage. But a lot of that
information is redundant, being communicated in the textbook, the
verbal lecture, and on the slides. As long as you get the info from
one of those sources, you'll be fine. So if you don't get all the
verbal info copied down, you can always use the textbook as a backup.
What's more important than getting the exact same information as
everyone else is understanding what you are learning and doing well on
the tests and assignments--and understanding general concepts rather
than being able to regurgitate information exactly as it came in. If
you do well on the first exam or assignment, then don't worry about
getting all the information; you're obviously understanding the
material and just keep up what you are doing. If you are confused
about what's going on, then don't be afraid to sit down with your
professor, or another student in the class, and clear up any
misunderstandings of the content.

Also, in my experience and according to many students I've talked
with, recording a lecture doesn't add much above and beyond taking
written notes. What do you guys think? Has anyone found recording a
lecture to be useful as a supplement to written notes? Are you
motivated to listen to the lecture over again?

Arielle

On 12/11/09, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Everyone!
>
> Thanks for the good advice!
>
> I've discovered if the powerpoints are emailed to me, and I click on
> "html view" in the message in gmail, it takes out the images and just
> shows the text.
> That may work.
>
> Cindy, I'll have to check on Blackboard.
> Do you click on printable view after you click on the link for the
> powerpoint, or chapter handout...or whatever you want to look at?
>
> Darian, thanks so much! I definitely won't be a stranger lol!
>
> With the punnett squares, how do you write them out in braille? That
> may be the best thing for me as I am a reader lol. Do you take a piece
> of paper, and braille out for signs over the page in sort of a square,
> then put the letters inside the box of for signs or whatever?
>
> Kerri
>
> On 12/9/09, Domonique Lawless <dlawless86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kerri,
>> You can also ask your professors to email you copies of the  powerpoints.
>>
>>
>> Domonique
>>
>> On 12/9/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't know if your blackboard works the same as mine, but from the
>>> beginning, it looked quite inaccessible, but i discovered the link,
>>> creat a printable view, and it brings up a page with check boxes
>>> beside all of the options, for example, my professor would have for
>>> each chapter, the class notes, and any handouts. I would check these
>>> boxes, and it would bring up a printable view which is then
>>> accessible.
>>>
>>> Again, i don't know if all Blackboard runs the same, but i found that
>>> to be quite helpful.
>>>
>>> In biology, it helped me to braille out the punnett squares on my own
>>> time after class, once you get the hang of it though, you will be able
>>> to do small ones in your head, but when they get to be three by three
>>> or four by four, writing them out in whatever format you use
>>> definitely helps.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> On 12/9/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi kerri,
>>>>   Welcome to the list.
>>>>   My name  is Darian Smith, I am a  board member  with the national
>>>> association of blind students and a student at city college of san
>>>> francisco.
>>>>     Please don't feel like any question you ask here is a "dumb
>>>> question", as  we are all students and  learning  about school,
>>>> blindness and life.
>>>>   i would have to agree with what everyone's been saying in regards to
>>>> accomidations.  I've had instructors that have either  E-mailed  me
>>>> the  handouts, or I've gotten the handouts to scan myself.  I use a
>>>> braille note to  take notesin class and that works just fine for me
>>>> and I also have a  digital recorder that I baught from radio shack and
>>>> it has worked rather well in some situations for getting the lecture
>>>> down for me to refer back to  it and note take.
>>>>   I know I am probably not going to be able to answer all of your
>>>> questions, but I hope i've answered some.  Just  know that  there is
>>>> always a way to tackle  a situation; some ways people suggeston how to
>>>> go about things may work for you, others may not and that's all fine.
>>>>  Just know that you have  options and tools, and now a whole group of
>>>> successful blind students just like yourself who are here and happy to
>>>> be of assistance, as you yourself will be to other students.
>>>>   Again, welcome and thank you  so much for your questions!
>>>>  Please don't be a  stranger and post as frequent as you like!
>>>>  Best,
>>>>   Darian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my
>>>>> associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts to
>>>>> be
>>>>> emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before
>>>>> class
>>>>> so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email
>>>>> everything
>>>>> including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to that
>>>>> extreme.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to
>>>>> make
>>>>> up
>>>>> for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take
>>>>> notes
>>>>> when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are important.
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> I
>>>>> team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always
>>>>> ask
>>>>> them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 4.
>>>>> I
>>>>> ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will
>>>>> google
>>>>> it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and explain
>>>>> the
>>>>> situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you
>>>>> privately
>>>>> in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these
>>>>> formats
>>>>> to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a
>>>>> professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to
>>>>> provide
>>>>> me
>>>>> word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other
>>>>> students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist,
>>>>> consider
>>>>> talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest.
>>>>> They
>>>>> might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same
>>>>> access
>>>>> to the powerpoints as everyone else.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ben
>>>>>
>>>>> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Join me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi All:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>>>>>  to the convention in July.
>>>>>
>>>>>  My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>>>>>  majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
>>>>> the
>>>>> sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high school
>>>>>  about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>  First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>>>>>  to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>>>>>  home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>>>>>  apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to have
>>>>>  to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really an
>>>>>  option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of the
>>>>>  handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and not
>>>>>  asking too much.
>>>>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>>>>>  professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other students
>>>>>  can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>>>>>  powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them to
>>>>>  be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>>>>>  something wrong.
>>>>>  I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>>>>>  writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>>>>>  professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>>>>>  the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>>>>>  powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>>>>>  was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>>>>
>>>>>  I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>>>>>  study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>>>>>  understand genetics?
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Kerri
>>>>>
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Email:
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 23:32:12 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:32:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership: dating and relationships conference call.
Message-ID: <409c235c0912131532m14c340ffxe777862e9b8d0e2@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


 Just  a friendly reminder to all that nabs will be holding a
conference call in a little  under an hour covering dating and
relationships

 Call-in number 712.775.7100
  passcode 257963
   Hope to see you all there!
  Darian  smith
 Nabs membership Co-Chair


From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 23:47:18 2009
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 17:47:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents
	DatingandRelationships
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Lizz,  you mean 3 
 


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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mark J. Cadigan
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents
DatingandRelationships

Would it be possible to put the highlights of the conference call out onn
email for those of us that will not be able to attend the conference call?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents Dating 
andRelationships


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just a reminder that tonight, at 7PM Eastern, 6 Central, 5 Mountain, 6
> Pacific is the second conference call in our series. The topic to be
> discussed is dating and relationships. The call-in info is 712.775.7100
> passcode 257963. Be there, or be circle!
>
>
>
> Take care,
>
>
>
> Liz, Membership Committee
>
>
>
> email:
>
> <mailto:liz.bottner at gmail.com> liz.bottner at gmail.com
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Dec 14 00:17:05 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:17:05 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
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Yes, I absolutely love that feature.  I've used it to convert all kinds of 
files, including PowerPoints.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Johnston" <withat at msn.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents


> No problem, Sara.  In case you didn't know, you don't need to save a PDF 
> and open it in K1000 in order to convert it.  From within the PDF, go to 
> Print, and change your printer selection to KESI Virtual Printer, and 
> click the Print button.  It will automatically open K1000, which will 
> begin recognition of the file.
>
> Jay
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>
>
>> Thank you Jay. I'll check that out. I don't know why I forget about
>> Kurzweil's ability to work with pdf's...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Johnston
>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:52 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>> If it's a text-based PDF, you can copy and paste.  If not, I'm not aware 
>> of
>> a way.  Your local library might have Kurzweil; it's worth a call.  Good
>> luck!
>>
>> Jay
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:35 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but is there a way to convert pdf files 
>>> to
>>> word (for embossing purposes) without using an external program that you
>>> have to download/pay for?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 00:41:10 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:41:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership call: dating and relationships is now
	happening!
Message-ID: <409c235c0912131641w45c7a6advd4308bd5e4459ca7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
  right now we ar having our membership call talking about dating and
relationships.
  Join Janice jeang,  Lissamaria Martinez and  a host of others on
this call as  it is happening right now.
   hope to talk to you on the call
  Darian

-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From marrie12 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 00:47:32 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:47:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Radio360listener] The Radio360 Holiday GiveAway
	Explained And MoreOn Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <8655043842B34BE5BA4147CE8DF91B5A@sarahcomp>

I found thsi interesting and thought this would be a good wayt ogive back .


Hello All!
Tonight marks the last of the regular Djd Invasion shows before our
end-of-the-year holiday programming begins, and have we got an interesting
show for you tonight!
The fun begins tonight at 7 PM eastern time on Radio360, and will feature
Some holiday tunes, some oldies, and the last Cash It Or Trash It track of
the year
Has The Djd Invasion finally determine what song should get the award as the
worst song ever recorded??
 
And...
If you receive my emails about the shows I do often, then you'll probably
know about this by the time the show starts, but if not...
Find out about The Radio360 Holiday Giveaway. Find out what it's about, how
you can walk out of it with some awesome prizes, and how, if you desire to
do so, you can help to make a child's wish come true this holiday season
 
All this plus your requests/comments by email, msn messenger, or aol instant
messenger at the address
live at radio360.us
 
or when the phone lines are open, feel free to give us a call by phone at
516-717-4425
or through skype at the address
radio360usa
 
This promises to be an awesome program, and a great way to lead us to what
should be the most exciting Christmas party The Djd Invasion has ever
thrown...
So to check out tonight's show, save this email, and at any time between 7
PM and 11 PM eastern, head on over to
http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml
to check out the program.
Hope to see you there!
Best regards,
David Dunphy, host of The Djd Invasion
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From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Mon Dec 14 01:06:38 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:06:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
In-Reply-To: <8BC9BE45B48548EF90F9ABF907B2DC04@NicoleNB>
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca><BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl><004601ca7c43$02811ef0$07835cd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>	<BLU0-SMTP130F747ADA1CFCC5E4F4DCD28A0@phx.gbl>
	<8BC9BE45B48548EF90F9ABF907B2DC04@NicoleNB>
Message-ID: <013101ca7c59$b03ea6f0$10bbf4d0$@rr.com>

Thank you Nicole, Sarah, and J for enlightening me to the feature in
Kurzweil. I had no idea that I could use the printer to convert documents.
Forgive my ignorance here, but what formats can I convert from and save to
using the Kesi virtual printer?
Thank you,
Kolby



From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Dec 14 03:20:59 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:20:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions
References: <e5a820710912081750m3a383c64y73527742284bee94@mail.gmail.com><25F8C17F-630F-4F75-9D33-480ECCD09A8A@gmail.com><BLU141-W3411A5F1BA0270BF33A7BCC28E0@phx.gbl><409c235c0912082322o129f538ama224ddcda8f6b517@mail.gmail.com><3fea3c410912090716t6dd7d6f8p84b60a556b0a6baa@mail.gmail.com><423e6e460912091138r2ea39955x24781cc1c70cf948@mail.gmail.com><e5a820710912101717w5d5bfec1oe35b24e079ff86fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<85ff10070912131526x6df2fadbs7079761879725fcc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7EDD51D63620489AABB9E188E10E4DC4@NicoleNB>

I find that recording my lectures helps.  I am a slow notetaker, and I tend 
to miss information when trying to write things down as I hear them.

    Also, the only thing that I would worry about with not getting the 
PowerPoint slides, but that would probably not be a problem if you record 
the lectures, is either the professor explaining something differently or 
more in depth than the book or the professor not requiring everything in the 
book.  Just my thoughts.

Nicole
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction, and a few questions


> Hi Kerri,
>
> These are all good points. It sounds like you have pretty good Braille
> and technology skills already, so you should be fine with taking your
> own notes. The HTML view works great for PowerPoints.  In my
> experience, though, I haven't found not having access to lecture
> slides to be a big loss as far as learning content goes. I've looked
> at PowerPoints and almost always find them to be repetitive and
> redundant with what I've already learned either from the verbal
> lecture or from the textbook. When we first start college, it's easy
> to assume that if we aren't getting all the content that our sighted
> peers are getting, then we are at a disadvantage. But a lot of that
> information is redundant, being communicated in the textbook, the
> verbal lecture, and on the slides. As long as you get the info from
> one of those sources, you'll be fine. So if you don't get all the
> verbal info copied down, you can always use the textbook as a backup.
> What's more important than getting the exact same information as
> everyone else is understanding what you are learning and doing well on
> the tests and assignments--and understanding general concepts rather
> than being able to regurgitate information exactly as it came in. If
> you do well on the first exam or assignment, then don't worry about
> getting all the information; you're obviously understanding the
> material and just keep up what you are doing. If you are confused
> about what's going on, then don't be afraid to sit down with your
> professor, or another student in the class, and clear up any
> misunderstandings of the content.
>
> Also, in my experience and according to many students I've talked
> with, recording a lecture doesn't add much above and beyond taking
> written notes. What do you guys think? Has anyone found recording a
> lecture to be useful as a supplement to written notes? Are you
> motivated to listen to the lecture over again?
>
> Arielle
>
> On 12/11/09, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone!
>>
>> Thanks for the good advice!
>>
>> I've discovered if the powerpoints are emailed to me, and I click on
>> "html view" in the message in gmail, it takes out the images and just
>> shows the text.
>> That may work.
>>
>> Cindy, I'll have to check on Blackboard.
>> Do you click on printable view after you click on the link for the
>> powerpoint, or chapter handout...or whatever you want to look at?
>>
>> Darian, thanks so much! I definitely won't be a stranger lol!
>>
>> With the punnett squares, how do you write them out in braille? That
>> may be the best thing for me as I am a reader lol. Do you take a piece
>> of paper, and braille out for signs over the page in sort of a square,
>> then put the letters inside the box of for signs or whatever?
>>
>> Kerri
>>
>> On 12/9/09, Domonique Lawless <dlawless86 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Kerri,
>>> You can also ask your professors to email you copies of the 
>>> powerpoints.
>>>
>>>
>>> Domonique
>>>
>>> On 12/9/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I don't know if your blackboard works the same as mine, but from the
>>>> beginning, it looked quite inaccessible, but i discovered the link,
>>>> creat a printable view, and it brings up a page with check boxes
>>>> beside all of the options, for example, my professor would have for
>>>> each chapter, the class notes, and any handouts. I would check these
>>>> boxes, and it would bring up a printable view which is then
>>>> accessible.
>>>>
>>>> Again, i don't know if all Blackboard runs the same, but i found that
>>>> to be quite helpful.
>>>>
>>>> In biology, it helped me to braille out the punnett squares on my own
>>>> time after class, once you get the hang of it though, you will be able
>>>> to do small ones in your head, but when they get to be three by three
>>>> or four by four, writing them out in whatever format you use
>>>> definitely helps.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On 12/9/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi kerri,
>>>>>   Welcome to the list.
>>>>>   My name  is Darian Smith, I am a  board member  with the national
>>>>> association of blind students and a student at city college of san
>>>>> francisco.
>>>>>     Please don't feel like any question you ask here is a "dumb
>>>>> question", as  we are all students and  learning  about school,
>>>>> blindness and life.
>>>>>   i would have to agree with what everyone's been saying in regards to
>>>>> accomidations.  I've had instructors that have either  E-mailed  me
>>>>> the  handouts, or I've gotten the handouts to scan myself.  I use a
>>>>> braille note to  take notesin class and that works just fine for me
>>>>> and I also have a  digital recorder that I baught from radio shack and
>>>>> it has worked rather well in some situations for getting the lecture
>>>>> down for me to refer back to  it and note take.
>>>>>   I know I am probably not going to be able to answer all of your
>>>>> questions, but I hope i've answered some.  Just  know that  there is
>>>>> always a way to tackle  a situation; some ways people suggeston how to
>>>>> go about things may work for you, others may not and that's all fine.
>>>>>  Just know that you have  options and tools, and now a whole group of
>>>>> successful blind students just like yourself who are here and happy to
>>>>> be of assistance, as you yourself will be to other students.
>>>>>   Again, welcome and thank you  so much for your questions!
>>>>>  Please don't be a  stranger and post as frequent as you like!
>>>>>  Best,
>>>>>   Darian
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/8/09, Ben Peters <myangelblessings at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Keri, welcome to the list. I'm Ben, and I just graduated with my
>>>>>> associates and am now going to be working on my BA in psychology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is very reasonable and appropriate to ask professors for handouts 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> emailed. I do this all the time, and try to have them emailed before
>>>>>> class
>>>>>> so I'm on the same page. I had one professor willing to email
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> including exams at one time, but he was the only one that went to 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> extreme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I take notes on a braille note. I don't get everything, but I try to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> for this by doing a few things. 1. I record the lecture. 2. I take
>>>>>> notes
>>>>>> when reading the book jotting down definitions etc that are 
>>>>>> important.
>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> team up with a friend or someone I know in the class so I can always
>>>>>> ask
>>>>>> them questions (or vise vera) about stuff I didn't get written down. 
>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> ask the professor about specific definitions or whatever. 5. I will
>>>>>> google
>>>>>> it. I don't do all this at once, I use what I think is useful at the
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to the powerpoint slides, talk to your professor and 
>>>>>> explain
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> situation. Ask him or her to provide them in blackboard or to you
>>>>>> privately
>>>>>> in a different format like PDF or word. Generally I've found these
>>>>>> formats
>>>>>> to work better than powerpoints. Just make the case for it. I had a
>>>>>> professor last semester go out of his way (thankfully for me) to
>>>>>> provide
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> word files of all the matterial posted to blackboard while the other
>>>>>> students got the regular format. If the professor won't assist,
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>> talking to your disability services office and see what they suggest.
>>>>>> They
>>>>>> might be able to reformat them for you. But you should have the same
>>>>>> access
>>>>>> to the powerpoints as everyone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sorry, but I can't help with your biology question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> myangelblessings at hotmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Join me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  On Dec 8, 2009, at 5:50 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi All:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I am new to the list. I just recently joined the NFB after listening
>>>>>>  to the convention in July.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  My name is Kerri Kosten. I am a student at West Virginia University
>>>>>>  majoring in Journalism. I also work at a local radio station, doing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> sports page for one of the stations websites among other things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I had a couple of questions. I wasn't taught very well in high 
>>>>>> school
>>>>>>  about college, so I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  First, if a professor hands out material in print, is it appropriate
>>>>>>  to ask for them to email you an electronic copy? I have Kurzweil at
>>>>>>  home, but my scanner is really big so haven't set it up in my
>>>>>>  apartment yet. I use and love the Iphone so don't really want to 
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>  to switch to a Nokia just for the KNFB reader, so that's not really 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>>  option so I've been just asking the professors to email a copy of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>  handout but wanted to make sure this is appropriate and okay, and 
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>  asking too much.
>>>>>> How do you handle taking notes from powerpoint lectures? At WVU, the
>>>>>>  professors always use powerpoints up on a screen so the other 
>>>>>> students
>>>>>>  can copy the notes down from the powerpoints. They post the
>>>>>>  powerpoints on Blackboard after the class, but I haven't found them 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>  be accessible from the Blackboard's website unless I am doing
>>>>>>  something wrong.
>>>>>>  I have been just listening for key things the professor says and
>>>>>>  writing stuff down that way that I think is noteworthy but if the
>>>>>>  professor gives a really long definition sometimes I forget part of
>>>>>>  the definition. The other students can of course look at the
>>>>>>  powerpoints to make sure they have copied the notes correctly...so I
>>>>>>  was wondering how you guys handled that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I am also going to take a class next semester in Biology. When we
>>>>>>  study genetics, how did you do the whole punnett square thing to
>>>>>>  understand genetics?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Thanks so much, and like I said I hope these aren't dumb questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Kerri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
>>>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
>>>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
>>>>> help!   To Get Involved  go to:
>>>>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>>>>> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>>>>> before us;
>>>>> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>>>>> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>>>>> past and future generations,
>>>>> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>>>>> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>>>>> done, and
>>>>> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>
>
> -- 
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 03:22:33 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:22:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Conference Series Call Presents Dating
	and Relationships
In-Reply-To: <200E06D6BB2947FFABF3A4169BCE695E@computer>
References: <4b251ac9.9753f10a.612a.ffffe74c@mx.google.com>	<DEE2044DBDA540E9A8CEE92683C3C311@SonyPC>
	<200E06D6BB2947FFABF3A4169BCE695E@computer>
Message-ID: <4b25af61.9553f10a.1760.fffffab2@mx.google.com>

I mean 3 what? I'm not sure to what you are referring... 

Liz 

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Dec 14 03:23:12 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:23:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca><BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl><004601ca7c43$02811ef0$07835cd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>	<BLU0-SMTP130F747ADA1CFCC5E4F4DCD28A0@phx.gbl><8BC9BE45B48548EF90F9ABF907B2DC04@NicoleNB>
	<013101ca7c59$b03ea6f0$10bbf4d0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <AA5EF97FA2DD4F8185FF2A45C196C02A@NicoleNB>

The Kurzweil virtual printer works with any program that supports a printer, 
including picture viewer.  It is basically the same as printing out the page 
and running it through the scanner.  However, when I last checked, it does 
not work with 64 bit systems.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kolby Garrison" <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents


> Thank you Nicole, Sarah, and J for enlightening me to the feature in
> Kurzweil. I had no idea that I could use the printer to convert documents.
> Forgive my ignorance here, but what formats can I convert from and save to
> using the Kesi virtual printer?
> Thank you,
> Kolby
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From myangelblessings at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 14 05:16:28 2009
From: myangelblessings at hotmail.com (Ben Peters)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 21:16:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
In-Reply-To: <013101ca7c59$b03ea6f0$10bbf4d0$@rr.com>
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca><BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl><004601ca7c43$02811ef0$07835cd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
	<BLU0-SMTP130F747ADA1CFCC5E4F4DCD28A0@phx.gbl>,
	<8BC9BE45B48548EF90F9ABF907B2DC04@NicoleNB>,
	<013101ca7c59$b03ea6f0$10bbf4d0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <BLU141-W215B22CDFDECFA48F80361C2890@phx.gbl>


OpenBook has the same type of feature including using the virtual printer

 



 
> From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:06:38 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
> 
> Thank you Nicole, Sarah, and J for enlightening me to the feature in
> Kurzweil. I had no idea that I could use the printer to convert documents.
> Forgive my ignorance here, but what formats can I convert from and save to
> using the Kesi virtual printer?
> Thank you,
> Kolby
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Dec 14 09:24:59 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 04:24:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
In-Reply-To: <8BC9BE45B48548EF90F9ABF907B2DC04@NicoleNB>
References: <004201ca7c3c$2c5aa360$850fea20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca><BLU0-SMTP51C1A24F7F5F4CB1461F6DD28A0@phx.gbl><004601ca7c43$02811ef0$07835cd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>	<BLU0-SMTP130F747ADA1CFCC5E4F4DCD28A0@phx.gbl>
	<8BC9BE45B48548EF90F9ABF907B2DC04@NicoleNB>
Message-ID: <001501ca7c9f$4ec52e30$ec4f8a90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Seriously? Cool! Thank you:)

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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nicole B. Torcolini
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents

Yes, I absolutely love that feature.  I've used it to convert all kinds of 
files, including PowerPoints.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents


> No problem, Sara.  In case you didn't know, you don't need to save a PDF 
> and open it in K1000 in order to convert it.  From within the PDF, go to 
> Print, and change your printer selection to KESI Virtual Printer, and 
> click the Print button.  It will automatically open K1000, which will 
> begin recognition of the file.
>
> Jay
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>
>
>> Thank you Jay. I'll check that out. I don't know why I forget about
>> Kurzweil's ability to work with pdf's...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Johnston
>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:52 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>>
>> Hi Sarah,
>> If it's a text-based PDF, you can copy and paste.  If not, I'm not aware 
>> of
>> a way.  Your local library might have Kurzweil; it's worth a call.  Good
>> luck!
>>
>> Jay
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:35 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] pdf's to word documents
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but is there a way to convert pdf files 
>>> to
>>> word (for embossing purposes) without using an external program that you
>>> have to download/pay for?
>>> Thank you,
>>> Sarah
>>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 16:48:17 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:48:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
In-Reply-To: <602D6CD4F91C49EBA6361B43B2BD67B5@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <F4162583FDF64C6FB69276F58373FA7C@Rufus>

Antonio,

I sat in briefly on last night's call, didn't say anything as the dialogue
was moving along quite nicely, but you are correct in your points below.
The conversation was not at all the frivolous subject I thought it would be,
and so next time I offer my twenty dollar's worth on what constitutes a
productive subject, I give you permission to tell me to shut the hell up and
let the students talk about what is most meaningful to them. *grin*  At
twenty-seven, I'm already turning into a Mike Freeman.  Lord help us.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships

Hello Joe and others,

I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference 
call topic, and its relevance to blind students. I am a member 
of the membership committee, and a guest speaker on the call, 
so you may take my comments witha grain of salt.

1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of 
whether one is blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people 
to be not much different from the sighted public. While NABS is 
a blind student organization, and should focus on blind student 
topics, we recognize that students around the age of most of 
our members may face some insecurities around dating, and 
relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness, 
such as table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body 
language, and figure out if a girl is looking at you in a 
flirtatious way, and what is appropriate dating behavior?

If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection, 
and previous relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I 
certainly was, and blindness came into view for me. Do sighted 
women want to date me, a blind guy who can't give her the 
football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend drives a nice 
car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer in 
the way of such superficial things.

Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim 
a 70 percent unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be 
taking the object of my attraction on dates, or even take cabs 
to see her?

Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?

The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB, 
and of NABS. 
We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and 
pursuing our dreams.

2. The membership committee has held conference calls in 
previous years, and one this year, and attendance was slim. 
Why, I ask? Why does our membership not show up to the calls? A 
few might criticize the way this is done, or how that is 
accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting 
and informative, and less people than have taken part in this 
thread showed up.

I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will 
bring is some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all 
work and no play. I hope that people show up to this call, and 
future ones, and give input, and constructive criticism. I also 
hope that the topic interests people, and brings more people in 
to participating in the calls.

3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student 
division, seminar, why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS 
activities, like a conference call?

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number 
of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at 
an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually 
produce all the world's great literary works in Braille.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Hello,
>
> I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic.  Definitions of what constitutes
> healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that 
has universal
> appeal to both blind and sighted people alike.  Twelve hour's worth of
> discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good 
definition,
> because each person's perspectives are so different.
>
> Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and 
relationships has a very
> significant influence on the work of a student division.  Is it a good
> social talk?  Most definitely.  Will it get us any closer to 
making NABS
> compete for influence over students who need to learn about 
independence? 
> I
> don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker.  I think 
it comes down 
> to
> strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the 
better venue would
> be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>
> Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback, 
so here are 
> the
> questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way 
that may help
> participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to 
seduce and
> conquer.
>
> 1. What are some good websites that give detailed 
descriptions of current
> fashions and general clothing lines?
>
> 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items 
of clothing,
> and what are some good expectations to set for them so that 
they do not
> dress you according to their personal views?
>
> 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup?  Are 
there stores
> that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>
> 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
> maintenance, etc.
>
> 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>
> 6. How do you pull off using taxis?  How do you decide on this versus 
> public
> transportation?  If you're walking, how do you survey the 
terrain?  Do you
> take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>
> 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
> expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the 
sighted guide?
>
> 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you 
are doing as
> much of it independently and minimize the need for questions 
once you are
> there?
>
> There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these 
questions will
> generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I 
think would be a
> better return on your investment of time.  My senior year in 
high school I
> actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in 
> advance
> so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom 
locations, that
> sort of thing.  My friend and I, who would end up double 
dating with two
> ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in 
> relation
> to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after 
the dance, and
> while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure 
you that on 
> the
> night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was 
on where the
> heck we might or might not end up.  Some people might find 
excitement from
> being adventurous.  There is a way to accomplish this, but 
this has to do
> with your confidence as a traveler.  If you do not feel comfortable
> deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of 
Restaurant Y, 
> you
> have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not 
you're going 
> to
> ask the girl out.
>
> At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the 
conversation
> should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the 
Membership guys for
> holding these calls.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
> Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
> aware you did.
>  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
> I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
> that more contributions  are added to this string and that you
> all  are able to attend the call and share your views on this
> stuff! I love it.
> Thanks Antonio!
> Darian
>
> On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>> Hey what about this question.
>> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>> diference?
>> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>> That is not a good sign.
>> That is unhealthy.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Melissa Green
>> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's
>> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
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>> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
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>> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
>> Skype: lissa5674
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
> the subject.
>>>
>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>
>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>
>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>
>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>>> room for your "other" friends?
>>>
>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
>>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>
>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>
>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>>
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From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:58:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hot Deals on Eye-Pal Solo Standard and LV
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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 16 23:01:45 2009
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:01:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Great help number for issues with RFB and D
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Hello All, Just passing along a very helpful resource, I think.  I needed to get access to  an RFB and D book in a hurry ffor a class, so The first download I had Kristin from RFB and D walk me through it absolutely from square one step by step.    Just my experience, but I have noticed some puzzled queries on the list re RFB and D.  Once you are set up, it is very easy.  In my case, I had a speaker phone  near my computer and that way,   my helper, Kristin in this case, could hear my screen reader of Window Eyes,  and me and herself at one time. But you could of course also  take notes.  Today, I spoke with Amy to make sure I understood how to download  a great sounding book on poetry writing, recommended by my literature professor, called "In the Palm of your Hand."  Don't misunderstand, I have never written poetry, I just want to see if I can add some imagery to my non fiction writing.  NLS did not have this book.  So below is a copy and paste of an e mail I got from them today.  Happy Holidays

Hello,
If you are in need of any product support please call this number and ask to speak
to Michelle, Amy or Kristen (Kristen is visually impaired).  We can help with downloading
books, equipment troubleshooting and any technical help needed.
Product Support Number- 1-800-221-4792, option 3
Thank you,
Amy Leona
Member Services Representative
RFB&D
20 Roszel Road
Princeton NJ 08540
1-800-221-4792

From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Dec 17 02:56:32 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:56:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: A truly great statement by US delegation at WIPO SCCR
Message-ID: <auto-000131719326@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>FYI:



>Forwarded with permission.  Kathie
>
>Below please find the U.S. Delegation's turnabout and embracing of 
>the proposed WIPO international treaty on copyright exceptions for 
>the blind, forwarded to me by Carrie Russell from the ALA Washington 
>Office of Information and Technology Policy. I'd like to think that 
>the comments from the various stakeholders recorded by LC helped 
>with the determination. Let's hope Western European nations follow suit.
>
>
>Mike L. Marlin, Manager
>California Braille and Talking Book Library
>Sacramento, CA
>mmarlin at library.ca.gov
>Phone: (916) 651-0812
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carrie Russell [mailto:crussell at alawash.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 8:32 AM
>To: Susan Hornung; Michael.york at dcr.nh.gov; Marlin. Mike; Jessica M. 
>Brodey; Kendall Wiggin
>Subject: A truly great statement by US delegation at WIPO SCCR
>
>This is very great news.  The US delegation under Obama appears to 
>understand the importance of copyright limitations and exceptions 
>and access to information for the visually impaired.  We should all 
>be celebrating!
>
>
>http://www.wo.ala.org/districtdispatch/?p=4144
>
>World Intellectual Property Organization
>        Standing Committee on Copyright and Related Rights (SCCR)
>                            Nineteenth Session
>                           December 14-18, 2009
>
>                         United States of America
>
>          Statement on Copyright Exceptions and Limitations for
>                     Persons with Print Disabilities
>
>                               As Delivered
>
>                              December, 2009
>
>                           Geneva, Switzerland
>
>
>
>
>Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
>
>
>The United States is proud to have a series of specific exceptions 
>and limitations in our copyright law, including for education, 
>libraries, and persons with print disabilities.
>
>
>The law of the United States has these exceptions because we believe 
>access to information, cultural expression, and ideas is essential 
>and we know that governments have a role to play in facilitating 
>that access and reducing barriers to information, education and full 
>participation in a democratic society. So while the United States 
>believes profoundly, in the words of our Supreme Court, that 
>copyright law is "the engine of free expression,"1we are also 
>committed to policies that ensure everyone has a chance to get the 
>information and education they need and to live independently as 
>full citizens in their communities.
>
>
>Because education and civic engagement can be severely limited when 
>information is not available in accessible formats, under US 
>copyright law qualified non-profit organizations and government 
>agencies are free to reproduce and distribute published literary 
>works under copyright in specialized formats for use by blind 
>persons or persons with other print disabilities. We acknowledge 
>that more is needed, but we are proud of what this copyright 
>exception has achieved. One of the main providers of materials under 
>this exception, the National Library Service, distributes two (2) 
>million Braille and audiobook copies of works to nearly 800,000 
>users each year. And we have had this provision in our law since 1996.
>
>
>Of course, the United States is not alone in serving those with 
>print disabilities through carefully crafted limitations and 
>exceptions in copyright law. As we all know, over 50 countries have 
>specific statutory exceptions addressed to the needs of the 
>visually-impaired and persons with print disabilities. Other 
>countries like India are in the midst of thoughtful deliberations on 
>their own national exceptions.
>
>
>So the United States is pleased that WIPO is addressing this issue. 
>We believe that WIPO can move forward on this issue meaningfully and seriously.
>
>
>In that respect, the United States wants to first acknowledge the 
>WIPO Study on Copyright Limitations and Exceptions for the Visually 
>Impaired, prepared by Ms. Judith Sullivan, and presented to the 
>Standing Committee in 2006.2 This Study represents the kind of 
>thorough comparative work we must always do as a foundation for the 
>development of new norms in international copyright law. We also 
>recognizes the on-going work of the WIPO Stakeholders' Platform, 
>which continues to explore in detail how the needs of persons with 
>print disabilities can be better addressed through trusted 
>intermediaries, new technologies, better formats, and improved "best 
>practices" in the publishing industry.
>
>
>The United States also wants to acknowledge and express our 
>appreciation for the draft treaty language prepared by the World 
>Blind Union and submitted as a formal proposal at the last session 
>of the Standing Committee by our colleagues from Brazil, Ecuador, 
>and Paraguay.3 We want to recognize the tremendous work on that 
>draft that was done by the World Blind Union, the International 
>Federation of Library Associations, the DAISY Consortium, and 
>several other groups and individuals. The WBU treaty proposal will 
>help the Standing Committee focus on this problem and find the right 
>means of addressing access to materials for people with print 
>disabilities through well-crafted exceptions to copyright protection 
>that can become an integral part of the international copyright system.
>
>
>As we explained in the last meeting of the Standing Committee, the 
>United States has been engaged in a process of understanding the 
>problems that confront persons with print disabilities in our own 
>country. This has been a joint effort of the U.S. Patent and 
>Trademark Office and the U.S. Copyright Office with leadership from 
>the White House. This process included a Notice of Inquiry in March 
>2009 that generated numerous public responses; a public roundtable 
>in May with many stakeholder representatives presenting different 
>perspectives on making copyrighted works accessible to persons with 
>print disabilities; a further public comment period in October and 
>December that included specific questions on the WBU treaty 
>proposal; and, just last week, an informal White House meeting of 
>representatives from our country's leading organizations for the 
>blind and visually-impaired, our library community, and our 
>copyright industries.
>
>
>Those of us working on this issue in the U.S. Government believe 
>that we are genuinely studentsof this problem; we are still in the 
>process of learning. But we are committed to doing our homework and 
>doing it well.
>
>
>Having said that we are still learning and studying, the United 
>States comes to this meeting with greater clarity and conviction in 
>our views on how the international copyright community should 
>proceed in addressing the needs of those with print disabilities.
>
>
>          Our commitment to reaching an international consensus
>
>       on copyright exceptions for persons with print disabilities
>
>
>First, the United States believes that the time has come for WIPO 
>Members to work toward some form of international consensus on 
>basic, necessary limitations and exceptions in copyright law for 
>persons with print disabilities. This international consensus could 
>take multiple forms, including a model law endorsed by the SCCR, a 
>detailed Joint Recommendation to be adopted by the WIPO General 
>Assemblies, and/or a multilateral treaty. The United States is open 
>to discussing and exploring all these options.
>
>The United States believes that the initial most productive course 
>of action may be a work program that begins with a series of 
>serious, focused consultations aimed at producing a 
>carefully-crafted Joint Recommendation of the Berne Assembly and the 
>WIPO General Assembly. We further believe this initial Joint 
>Recommendation could be a step toward the development of a treaty 
>establishing basic copyright limitations and exceptions for persons 
>with print disabilities.
>
>
>          The first goal of international consensus in this area
>
>
>In our consultations and review it has become clear to us that the 
>most pressing problem - the one identified repeatedly by experts - 
>is the cross-border distribution of special format materials made 
>for persons with print disabilities, whether these special format 
>materials are made under copyright exceptions in national law or 
>special licensing arrangements. Therefore, the United States 
>believes that our first goal should be to reach international 
>consensus on the free exportation and importation of special format 
>materials for persons with print disabilities in all countries.
>
>
>We are confident that this body, the Berne Assembly, and the WIPO 
>General Assembly have the expertise, wisdom, and resolve to find a 
>suitable solution to this problem. We are prepared to work with 
>other countries to explore creative solutions to this problem, 
>including, but not limited to, [a] the establishment of a 
>properly-limited international rule of exhaustion in relation to 
>special format copies made under existing national law exceptions 
>for persons with print disabilities and/or [b] an international 
>legal norm that trusted intermediaries and non-profit organizations 
>working for persons with print disabilities must be able to exchange 
>special format copies without fear that copyright law bars such activities.
>
>
>We believe that a solution to the problem of cross-border 
>distribution of special format materials, properly delineated to 
>prevent abuses,would solve the foremost problems identified by the 
>print disability and visually-impaired communities.
>
>
>      Further international consensus on basic exceptions for print
>                               disabilities
>
>
>The United States is also prepared to participate in a WIPO work 
>program to establish further international consensus on specific 
>exceptions and limitations for persons with print disabilities that 
>should be part of national copyright laws.
>
>
>As a practical matter, we believe that this project will take longer 
>than finding common ground on the cross-border distribution of 
>special format copies made under existing national exceptions. 
>First, any such consensus should acknowledge the diversity of 
>established national laws in this area and the diversity of 
>successful experiences with copyright exceptions for persons with 
>print disabilities that WIPO Members have had. Second, any such 
>consensus should ensure that WIPO Members retain the flexibility to 
>craft copyright exceptions and limitations to meet changing social, 
>economic, and technological conditions that affect the print 
>disability community. Third, the specific exceptions and limitations 
>that emerge from such a process should acknowledge - as many in the 
>visually impaired and print disability communities have told us
>-- that market practices can often help to solve problems of access 
>to materials and that mandatory exceptions are most needed to 
>address market failures. Finally, consensus on basic copyright 
>exceptions for the print disability communities can and should be 
>reached within the framework of the Berne acquis; Berne Article 
>9(2); and the corresponding provisions of TRIPS, the WCT, and the WPPT.
>
>
>             A balanced system of international copyright law
>
>
>We recognize that some in the international copyright community 
>believe that any international consensus on substantive limitations 
>and exceptions to copyright law would weaken international copyright 
>law. The United States does not share that point of view. The United 
>States is committed to both better exceptions in copyright law and 
>better enforcement of copyright law. Indeed, as we work with 
>countries to establish consensus on proper, basic exceptions within 
>copyright law, we will ask countries to work with us to improve the 
>enforcement of copyright. This is part and parcel of a balanced 
>international system of intellectual property.
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>
># # #
>
>
>1 Harper & Row, Publishers. v. Nation Enterprises., 471 U.S. 539, 558
>(1985) ("it should not be forgotten that the Framers intended 
>copyright itself to be the engine of free expression.") 2 
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From iamantonio at cox.net  Thu Dec 17 14:47:27 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:47:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
References: <F4162583FDF64C6FB69276F58373FA7C@Rufus>
Message-ID: <7DF7FA80551F4C4F98E260704207D7A6@userf9b4fa60eb>

Hi Joe,

Glad you could join the call, and that you found the discussion meaningful.

After a long time away from the list, I am reminded why it is an excellent 
way to get to know our membership.

Our conversation has been one of courteous, but opinionated positions about 
what nabs aught and aught not to be.

Thank you Joe, for your openness, and even the challenge for thought and 
betterment of NABS. You have challenged me to think clearly and succinctly 
time and time again. I just am happy I can keep up, grin.

And since you are a younger version of Freeman, I could always fill the 
shoes of Steve Jacobsen, how about it, grin.

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
works in Braille.

Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships


> Antonio,
>
> I sat in briefly on last night's call, didn't say anything as the dialogue
> was moving along quite nicely, but you are correct in your points below.
> The conversation was not at all the frivolous subject I thought it would 
> be,
> and so next time I offer my twenty dollar's worth on what constitutes a
> productive subject, I give you permission to tell me to shut the hell up 
> and
> let the students talk about what is most meaningful to them. *grin*  At
> twenty-seven, I'm already turning into a Mike Freeman.  Lord help us.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio M. Guimaraes
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:30 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
> Hello Joe and others,
>
> I appreciate the message with suggestions about the conference
> call topic, and its relevance to blind students. I am a member
> of the membership committee, and a guest speaker on the call,
> so you may take my comments witha grain of salt.
>
> 1. The subject of dating is a universal matter, regardless of
> whether one is blind or sighted. The NFB believes blind people
> to be not much different from the sighted public. While NABS is
> a blind student organization, and should focus on blind student
> topics, we recognize that students around the age of most of
> our members may face some insecurities around dating, and
> relationships. Some insecurities may have to do with blindness,
> such as table etiquette, as you mentioned. How do you read body
> language, and figure out if a girl is looking at you in a
> flirtatious way, and what is appropriate dating behavior?
>
> If one is not experienced by way of social grace, connection,
> and previous relationships, she or he may be uncomfortable. I
> certainly was, and blindness came into view for me. Do sighted
> women want to date me, a blind guy who can't give her the
> football boyfriend status, or the my boyfriend drives a nice
> car status. There are things a blind boyfriend can't offer in
> the way of such superficial things.
>
> Besides, I belong to a class of people, blind people, who claim
> a 70 percent unemployment rate. How can I then, afford to be
> taking the object of my attraction on dates, or even take cabs
> to see her?
>
> Who wants to date a mate who is only 30 percent likely to get a job?
>
> The answers are found deep within why we are part of the NFB,
> and of NABS.
> We change the realities for us by furthering our education, and
> pursuing our dreams.
>
> 2. The membership committee has held conference calls in
> previous years, and one this year, and attendance was slim.
> Why, I ask? Why does our membership not show up to the calls? A
> few might criticize the way this is done, or how that is
> accomplished, but I thought our previous call was interesting
> and informative, and less people than have taken part in this
> thread showed up.
>
> I think that rotating from serious topics, to lighted ones will
> bring is some needed variety to what we do. We can't be all
> work and no play. I hope that people show up to this call, and
> future ones, and give input, and constructive criticism. I also
> hope that the topic interests people, and brings more people in
> to participating in the calls.
>
> 3. If a topic is good enough for a NABS, blind student
> division, seminar, why wouldn't it be relevant to other NABS
> activities, like a conference call?
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number
> of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at
> an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually
> produce all the world's great literary works in Braille.
>
> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
> http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
> Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 12:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I guess I'm the skunk at the picnic.  Definitions of what constitutes
>> healthy relationships is a boundless question and one that
> has universal
>> appeal to both blind and sighted people alike.  Twelve hour's worth of
>> discussion would not get a group of people to agree on a good
> definition,
>> because each person's perspectives are so different.
>>
>> Overall, I'm missing the point of how dating and
> relationships has a very
>> significant influence on the work of a student division.  Is it a good
>> social talk?  Most definitely.  Will it get us any closer to
> making NABS
>> compete for influence over students who need to learn about
> independence?
>> I
>> don't think so, but I am not a complete rainmaker.  I think
> it comes down
>> to
>> strategy, and in the hot subject of romance I think the
> better venue would
>> be a breakout session at one of the division's two annual gatherings.
>>
>> Now, I do not like criticisms without constructive feedback,
> so here are
>> the
>> questions I would use to structure the conversation in a way
> that may help
>> participants come away with more than just ten tips on how to
> seduce and
>> conquer.
>>
>> 1. What are some good websites that give detailed
> descriptions of current
>> fashions and general clothing lines?
>>
>> 2. Who should you take to the store to help you select items
> of clothing,
>> and what are some good expectations to set for them so that
> they do not
>> dress you according to their personal views?
>>
>> 3. How do ladies go about the task of applying makeup?  Are
> there stores
>> that feature representatives who can take the time to do this?
>>
>> 4. Where can guys learn about professional dress, ironing, facial hair
>> maintenance, etc.
>>
>> 5. Where can both guys and girls learn about table etiquette?
>>
>> 6. How do you pull off using taxis?  How do you decide on this versus
>> public
>> transportation?  If you're walking, how do you survey the
> terrain?  Do you
>> take the guide dog, or do you bust out the cane?
>>
>> 7. If the other person is sighted, how do you diplomatically set
>> expectations of walking hand-in-hand versus overkill on the
> sighted guide?
>>
>> 8. How far in advance should you plan your trip so that you
> are doing as
>> much of it independently and minimize the need for questions
> once you are
>> there?
>>
>> There are dozens of others, but I think you will find these
> questions will
>> generally help you in daily life, not just dates, which I
> think would be a
>> better return on your investment of time.  My senior year in
> high school I
>> actually went to the hotel where our prom would be held two weeks in
>> advance
>> so that I could get a sense of the layout, learn bathroom
> locations, that
>> sort of thing.  My friend and I, who would end up double
> dating with two
>> ladies, picked a restaurant, mapped the location of where it was in
>> relation
>> to the hotel, identified a few options for ourselves after
> the dance, and
>> while this may all seem like too much strategy, I can assure
> you that on
>> the
>> night of said prom, I was more focused on my date than I was
> on where the
>> heck we might or might not end up.  Some people might find
> excitement from
>> being adventurous.  There is a way to accomplish this, but
> this has to do
>> with your confidence as a traveler.  If you do not feel comfortable
>> deviating from your plans to go to Restaurant X instead of
> Restaurant Y,
>> you
>> have bigger issues far removed from deciding whether or not
> you're going
>> to
>> ask the girl out.
>>
>> At any rate, personal views of strategy notwithstanding, the
> conversation
>> should prove interesting, I am sure, and I commend the
> Membership guys for
>> holding these calls.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 9:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>
>> Melissa,   you bring up a good point that I'm not sure you are even
>> aware you did.
>>  The matter of what is a healthy relationship and what isn't.
>> I honestly like the fact this topic was brought up and hope
>> that more contributions  are added to this string and that you
>> all  are able to attend the call and share your views on this
>> stuff! I love it.
>> Thanks Antonio!
>> Darian
>>
>> On 12/11/09, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>> Hey what about this question.
>>> what is the definition of dating?, a relationship? and what is the
>>> diference?
>>> I think that dating and or a relationship get confused.
>>> If someone asks you to give up your friends, or your family.
>>> That is not a good sign.
>>> That is unhealthy.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Melissa Green
>>> Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's
>>> because of Christ I am able to stand!!!
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>>> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
>>> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
>>> twitter: melissa5674
>>> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
>>> Skype: lissa5674
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:00 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Dating and relationships
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> In light of the upcoming call this Sunday on dating and
>>>> relationships, I wanted to get some of you thinking about
>> the subject.
>>>>
>>>> I am one of the guest speakers on the call, and would love to hear
>>>> your thoughts and views on relationships.
>>>>
>>>> Why do people date? Do you do it so as not to be alone, or to have
>>>> company? what's the difference.
>>>>
>>>> Who pays? The male or female?
>>>>
>>>> What interesting things do you do together as a couple? What about
>>>> room for your "other" friends?
>>>>
>>>> Shoot your messages this way, and I will try and tell you as much as
>>>> I can about me, or as much as my girlfriend will let me, grin.
>>>>
>>>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>>>
>>>> If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of
>>>> pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an
>>>> infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all
>>>> the world's great literary works in Braille.
>>>>
>>>> Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 18:35:52 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:35:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 10 and iTunes
Message-ID: <3fea3c410912171035k5cd785a5qc8ca3794feaec32f@mail.gmail.com>

I know this is somewhat off topic, but i have a few questions about
using JAWS 10 with iTunes, and i could really use some help from
someone who is using these two in unison. Please email me off list.
The questions reguard editing information, deleting songs, and some of
the aspects of iTunes are not accessible and getting around them. I
have heard that the JAWS 11 update which i accidentally left at school
helps. In what ways does it improve accessibility with reguard to
iTunes?

I have looked at Apple tutorials.

Thanks

Cindy


From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Dec 18 02:48:02 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:48:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Update to JAWS Available
Message-ID: <auto-000131865762@mailfront1.g2host.com>

There is an update to JAWS now available.  If you have version 11, 
your update jaws selection will get it.  It primarily fixes 
authorization problems with Windows 7, but there are other fixes as well.

JAWS 11.0.756 hot-fix release is now available to the public for 
download... there is a link to the JAWS 11 What's New page
http://freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-whats-new.asp
  on the home page.



From brice.smith319 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 09:24:59 2009
From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 04:24:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Roommate
Message-ID: <679a273c0912180124s3655b19cleaef84b447c0b2e1@mail.gmail.com>

I know it's late, but I'm trying to find a way to split the cost of a
room at Washington Seminar next year. I'm 19 and a college sophomore
at North Carolina State University. I'm arriving on Sunday morning and
most likely leaving Wednesday. This will be my third Seminar.

If anyone still needs a roommate or has space, please contact me at
this Email address.

Thanks

Brice


From golfereric at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 21:56:20 2009
From: golfereric at comcast.net (golfereric at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] SSI Specialist
Message-ID: <1460864692.2893471261173380847.JavaMail.root@sz0007a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>




Hello Everyone 





Was wondering if anyone knew an SSI specialits or lawyer? 



Your help would be greatly appreciated 





Thanks, 

Eric Gaudes 

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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 21:18:51 -0600
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From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:35:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] White House Fellows program
Message-ID: <auto-000132045466@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>President Obama and Mrs. Obama would like your help to encourage 
>talented leaders with disabilities to apply to the White House 
>Fellows program.
>
>  Obviously, we are committed to inclusion of people with 
> disabilities but we need you all to spread the word and help 
> identify qualified candidates.
>
>  Please very carefully review the type of candidate that should 
> apply to this type of program.
>
>
>
>The White House Fellowship is one of the nation's most prestigious 
>programs for leadership and public service.  Each year, 11-19 
>exceptional young men and women are selected to spend a year in 
>Washington, D.C. to gain first-hand experience in the process of 
>governing the nation at the highest levels of the Federal government.
>
>
>
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>early in their careers and are committed to leadership and public 
>service.  Thus, this is not for students but rather for individuals 
>already into their careers.
>
>
>
>Attached is a letter from President and Mrs. Obama.  Please share 
>this message with qualified applicants and/or organizations in your 
>network that can help identify such candidates.
>
>
>
>Learn more about the White House Fellowship 
><http://www.whitehouse.gov/fellows>http://www.whitehouse.gov/fellows
>
>
>
>Download the application 
><http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/fellows/apply1>http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/fellows/apply1 
>
>
>
>
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>
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>should follow the procedures using the on-line links above.  The 
>deadline is February 1.
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 20 02:01:54 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:01:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
Message-ID: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley>

    Hi all,


This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project?  Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?  

For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to serve lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am interested in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and mix and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.

Ashley

From dravant at ameritech.net  Sun Dec 20 04:49:52 2009
From: dravant at ameritech.net (denise avant)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:49:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] braille connect 32 for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000132123377@mailfront1.g2host.com>

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Asking $2200.00.
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From newmanrl at cox.net  Sun Dec 20 15:38:56 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Leslie Newman)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:38:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
Message-ID: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1>

NABS
RE:  The Cursed 

Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various religious
factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and
post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you
wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net 



THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
The Cursed

"Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you from
somewhere in the Middle East?" 

The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke up,
"Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, but
most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.

Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He hadn't
expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next words,
"Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."

They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the morning's
presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter. 

At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM. 

"I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner somewhere?"
Robert asked.

"Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
dinner --- you bring a refreshment."

"Yes!"

The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and a
deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very disconcerting
to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and looking
--- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."

"Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
work miracles."

"Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on my
choice."

"Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?" 

"No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you for
who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family. It
is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "

The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very polite,
they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived. 

After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their feelings
for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not give
my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be fated
to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness severely
impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence and,
therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."


Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 17:43:16 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:43:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
In-Reply-To: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1>
References: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912200943t712b3266m1673d26fa8e41786@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.  This is just weird, but I see where the father of a Muslim woman
would lead her to believe that the blind men are cursed.  I would
marry a blind man even though I am blind myself.  My family, being
Catholic, does notoppose the marriage between a blind person and other
people whether sighted or blind.  But the Muslim religion should not
forbid the blind from marrying the daughters of their family.  And the
father of this daughter is truly cursed if he thinks Robert in the
provoker is cursed.  This has been and always will be an interesting
provoker.
Beth

On 12/20/09, Robert Leslie Newman <newmanrl at cox.net> wrote:
> NABS
> RE:  The Cursed
>
> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various religious
> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and
> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you
> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
> The Cursed
>
> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you from
> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>
> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke up,
> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, but
> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>
> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He hadn't
> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next words,
> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>
> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the morning's
> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>
> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>
> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner somewhere?"
> Robert asked.
>
> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>
> "Yes!"
>
> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and a
> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very disconcerting
> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and looking
> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>
> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
> work miracles."
>
> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on my
> choice."
>
> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"
>
> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you for
> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family. It
> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>
> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very polite,
> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>
> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their feelings
> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not give
> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be fated
> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness severely
> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence and,
> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 17:44:54 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:44:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Djd Invasion Christmas Gala of 2009 Begins Tonight
Message-ID: <92D9F30A6997450395F31468A55F0F6D@radio360usa>

Seasons Greetings To All!
Well, it's that time of year again. People are running around doing their Christmas shopping. Christmas decorations are everywhere. And in some places, the snow is falling!
And on Radio360 for the next two nights, The Djd Invasion 2009 Christmas Gala will be airing both tonight and tomorrow night at 8 PM eastern, a special time for a special show! For those who aren't sure, that's 7 PM central, 6 PM mountain, and 5 PM pacific. And both nights will be equally unique and exciting!
Join us tonight for some of the holiday songs that you've come to know and love over the years..The Christmas songs that never get old, and some of the tunes that you've come to expect from a Djd Invasion Christmas program. Did I mention you'll get a healthy dose of Christmas comedy too? Throughout both nights!
And of course on Night #2, Monday, we've got our results of The Holiday Giveaway. How much will we be giving to The Make A Wish Foundation? Who will win the "special" prize?
More can be found about the giveaway at
http://www.radio360.us/holidaygiveaway
if you'd like to get involved.
But in the mean time, join me for the first night of our holiday affair tonight starting at our special time of 8 PM eastern!
And of course, your comments are and always will be welcome by email, msn, or aol instant messenger at the address
live at radio360.us
or when the lines are open, call us up at
516 717 4425
by phone or through skype at
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This promises to be one of the most interesting Christmas specials ever, and the first part of the fun begins tonight, so to listen, save this email, and starting at 8 PM eastern, both tonight and tomorrow night, head on over to
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From tealbloodworth at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 18:44:42 2009
From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:44:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
References: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <B87B3E14753C46FC95C577B217B7B7E9@teal6e6857f643>

Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they do 
not understand but we see everything and just have a different perception 
and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "

        Teal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


> NABS
> RE:  The Cursed
>
> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various religious
> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses 
> and
> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If 
> you
> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
> The Cursed
>
> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you 
> from
> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>
> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke 
> up,
> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, but
> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>
> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He 
> hadn't
> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next words,
> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>
> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the 
> morning's
> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>
> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>
> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner somewhere?"
> Robert asked.
>
> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>
> "Yes!"
>
> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and 
> a
> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very 
> disconcerting
> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and 
> looking
> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>
> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
> work miracles."
>
> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on my
> choice."
>
> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"
>
> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you 
> for
> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family. 
> It
> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>
> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very 
> polite,
> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>
> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their 
> feelings
> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not give
> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be fated
> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness 
> severely
> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence and,
> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> _______________________________________________
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 19:27:40 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:27:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
In-Reply-To: <B87B3E14753C46FC95C577B217B7B7E9@teal6e6857f643>
References: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1>
	<B87B3E14753C46FC95C577B217B7B7E9@teal6e6857f643>
Message-ID: <4b2e7aae.1608c00a.048e.ffffe243@mx.google.com>

Just one of the facts of life.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Teal Bloodworth
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:45 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they do 
not understand but we see everything and just have a different perception 
and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "

        Teal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


> NABS
> RE:  The Cursed
>
> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various religious
> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses 
> and
> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If 
> you
> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
> The Cursed
>
> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you 
> from
> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>
> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke 
> up,
> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, but
> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>
> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He 
> hadn't
> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next words,
> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>
> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the 
> morning's
> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>
> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>
> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner somewhere?"
> Robert asked.
>
> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>
> "Yes!"
>
> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and 
> a
> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very 
> disconcerting
> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and 
> looking
> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>
> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
> work miracles."
>
> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on my
> choice."
>
> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"
>
> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you 
> for
> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family. 
> It
> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>
> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very 
> polite,
> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>
> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their 
> feelings
> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not give
> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be fated
> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness 
> severely
> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence and,
> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec 20 19:45:19 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:45:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Great book with a blind hero
Message-ID: <auto-000132145313@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FYI:


>From: "Dr. Scott Bray" <sbray at nisj.org>
>To: <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Great book with a blind hero
>Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:11:56 -0700
>
>Hello David:
>
>Faye Kellerman, a novelist who's husband writes psychological 
>thrillers, just wrote a book called Blindman's Bluff a story where 
>the hero is a blind court interpreter with the Los Angeles Criminal 
>Courts. It is an incredible story of murder of high  society people, 
>skills only a blind person could have, low-life killers, and a 
>family member handing out cash. I suggest you get this book out to 
>our family of blind persons ASAP. It is a 2009 book and can be 
>downloaded from Bookshare.
>
>I have read hundreds of books lately and this is the only book I 
>ever read where the hero in the story is blind, handsome, and interesting.
>.
>
>My ten-years of rehabilitation concluded after reading many books by 
>Jonathon Kellerman, Faye Kellerman, Dean R. Koontz, Stephen King, 
>Pat Conroy, Thomas Wolfe, John Grisham, John Irvine, and James 
>Patterson. Fiction is great medicine.
>
>Pass it along.
>
>ScottScott
>
>
>
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>signature database 4703 (20091220) __________
>
>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Dec 20 20:01:32 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:01:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBNet.org Users Can Submit Recipes for Braille Monitor
Message-ID: <auto-000132145823@mailfront2.g2host.com>

As you know the Braille Monitor publishes a few recipes each 
month.  The practice, for some time is to go through the states 
alphabetically, one at a time, then to give Divisions a chance if 
they wish.  We are about through the states in this cycle, and are 
about to go to Divisions.  I have asked, and Dan Frye has agreed that 
NFBNET.ORG Users will get a chance to submit recipes for one of these 
months, June of 2010.

So, I am putting out a call for recipes.  I will establish a couple 
ground rules.  First, of course, good recipes only, none of the a can 
of this, a can of that, and a can of mushroom soup, and bake for an 
hour.  The recipes should be original, and not published in the 
Monitor previously.  You can submit multiple recipes, but unless we 
don't get enough submissions, we will only publish one recipe per 
submitter to give the most people a chance.  The Monitor uses six 
recipes per month.

Finally, since I run NFBNet.org, and have for 18 years, I am the 
final judge.  I may seek assistance, but ultimately it is my decision.

Please submit your recipes to me at
david.andrews at nfbnet.org

Dave

	



From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 20:59:25 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 13:59:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0912200943t712b3266m1673d26fa8e41786@mail.gmail.com>
References: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1>
	<4383d01d0912200943t712b3266m1673d26fa8e41786@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b2e902e.8602be0a.4f9a.0c8e@mx.google.com>

I agree with you, and I have dated plenty of sighted girls no blind girls
yet, but I wouldn't mind marrying either.  That is sad what some religions
believe, but like I said before it is a fact of life.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:43 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

Wow.  This is just weird, but I see where the father of a Muslim woman
would lead her to believe that the blind men are cursed.  I would
marry a blind man even though I am blind myself.  My family, being
Catholic, does notoppose the marriage between a blind person and other
people whether sighted or blind.  But the Muslim religion should not
forbid the blind from marrying the daughters of their family.  And the
father of this daughter is truly cursed if he thinks Robert in the
provoker is cursed.  This has been and always will be an interesting
provoker.
Beth

On 12/20/09, Robert Leslie Newman <newmanrl at cox.net> wrote:
> NABS
> RE:  The Cursed
>
> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various religious
> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses
and
> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
you
> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
> The Cursed
>
> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
from
> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>
> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke
up,
> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, but
> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>
> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
hadn't
> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next words,
> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>
> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
morning's
> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>
> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>
> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner somewhere?"
> Robert asked.
>
> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>
> "Yes!"
>
> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and
a
> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
disconcerting
> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
looking
> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>
> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
> work miracles."
>
> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on my
> choice."
>
> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"
>
> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
for
> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family.
It
> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>
> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
polite,
> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>
> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
feelings
> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not give
> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be fated
> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
severely
> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence and,
> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec 20 21:10:10 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:10:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Handy Tech holiday specials extended through December 31st
Message-ID: <46B641B53269415A879DB11160A897C3@yourdd0a3c7a34>

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From tealbloodworth at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 00:09:40 2009
From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:09:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
References: <96D03F7ED827499EAD1FB7D38269FDCF@D78R0TG1><4383d01d0912200943t712b3266m1673d26fa8e41786@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b2e902e.8602be0a.4f9a.0c8e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2FAD5135DA764AE3BDE1F44405BCA7F5@teal6e6857f643>

why is it that people expect for us who are blind to date other people who 
are blind? everytime i am telling someone about my boyfriend they ask me if 
he is blind too. I have not yet dated anyone else who couldnt see but i 
wouldnt let vision be a deciding factor. plus i have been turned down by a 
guy who was sighted that a friend was hooking me up with and i told him i 
was blind...havent talked to him since...

            -Teal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


>I agree with you, and I have dated plenty of sighted girls no blind girls
> yet, but I wouldn't mind marrying either.  That is sad what some religions
> believe, but like I said before it is a fact of life.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Beth
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:43 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
>
> Wow.  This is just weird, but I see where the father of a Muslim woman
> would lead her to believe that the blind men are cursed.  I would
> marry a blind man even though I am blind myself.  My family, being
> Catholic, does notoppose the marriage between a blind person and other
> people whether sighted or blind.  But the Muslim religion should not
> forbid the blind from marrying the daughters of their family.  And the
> father of this daughter is truly cursed if he thinks Robert in the
> provoker is cursed.  This has been and always will be an interesting
> provoker.
> Beth
>
> On 12/20/09, Robert Leslie Newman <newmanrl at cox.net> wrote:
>> NABS
>> RE:  The Cursed
>>
>> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various 
>> religious
>> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
>> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses
> and
>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and 
>> that
>> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
> you
>> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
>> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
>> The Cursed
>>
>> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
> from
>> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>>
>> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
>> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
>> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
>> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
>> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
>> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
>> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke
> up,
>> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, 
>> but
>> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
>> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
>> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>>
>> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
> hadn't
>> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
>> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
>> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next 
>> words,
>> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>>
>> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
> morning's
>> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
>> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
>> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>>
>> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
>> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
>> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>>
>> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner 
>> somewhere?"
>> Robert asked.
>>
>> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
>> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>>
>> "Yes!"
>>
>> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and
> a
>> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
> disconcerting
>> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
> looking
>> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>>
>> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
>> work miracles."
>>
>> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
>> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
>> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
>> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on 
>> my
>> choice."
>>
>> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"
>>
>> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
> for
>> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family.
> It
>> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
>> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
>> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>>
>> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
>> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
>> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
> polite,
>> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>>
>> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
> feelings
>> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not 
>> give
>> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
>> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be 
>> fated
>> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
>> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
> severely
>> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence 
>> and,
>> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
>> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>>
>>
>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Dec 21 00:36:42 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:36:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
Message-ID: <20091221003642.22285.91573@web3.serotek.com>

Is that what you'd say to yourself if you were in Robert's shoes? What 
if you really loved that woman? Would you be willing to simply stay 
seated and say "That's just a fact of life?" The Blacks didn't say that 
when they were forbidden to take the front seat in buses. What would 
have happened if Jews and Jewish sympathizers used the same logic to 
stand still during the Holocaust?

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Just one of the facts of life.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Teal Bloodworth
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

> Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they do
> not understand but we see everything and just have a different perception
> and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "

>         Teal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


>> NABS
>> RE:  The Cursed

>> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various religious
>> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
>> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses
>> and
>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
>> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
>> you
>> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
>> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net



>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
>> The Cursed

>> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
>> from
>> somewhere in the Middle East?"

>> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
>> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
>> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
>> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
>> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
>> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
>> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke
>> up,
>> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally, but
>> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
>> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
>> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.

>> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
>> hadn't
>> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
>> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
>> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next words,
>> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."

>> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
>> morning's
>> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
>> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
>> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.

>> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
>> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
>> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.

>> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner somewhere?"
>> Robert asked.

>> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
>> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."

>> "Yes!"

>> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and
>> a
>> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
>> disconcerting
>> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
>> looking
>> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."

>> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
>> work miracles."

>> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
>> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
>> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
>> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on my
>> choice."

>> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"

>> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
>> for
>> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family.
>> It
>> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
>> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
>> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "

>> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
>> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
>> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
>> polite,
>> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.

>> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
>> feelings
>> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not give
>> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
>> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be fated
>> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
>> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
>> severely
>> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence and,
>> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
>> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."


>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 21 00:47:15 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:47:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and doing missions
Message-ID: <72EC03028458402193FB5A5C5679666F@Ashley>

    Hi all,


This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project?  Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?  

For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to serve lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am interested in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and mix and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.

Ashley

From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 01:41:25 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 18:41:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
In-Reply-To: <20091221003642.22285.91573@web3.serotek.com>
References: <20091221003642.22285.91573@web3.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <4b2ed246.4902be0a.58ff.073f@mx.google.com>

No if I were in his place I would defend my self.  What I ment by that's a
fact of life is that there are people that have that belief and even though
they would be proven wrong they most possibly would still to support that
belief.

I would be very angry if a man would tell me that just because I'm blind I
can't marry his daughter.  I can tell you this my parents are from Mexico
and in the area they are from people almost never encounter a blind person,
and when they meet me and see what I'm capable of it is hard for them to
grasp it.

I'm sorry that that was taken out of context I should have explained myself
better.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jedi
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:37 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

Is that what you'd say to yourself if you were in Robert's shoes? What 
if you really loved that woman? Would you be willing to simply stay 
seated and say "That's just a fact of life?" The Blacks didn't say that 
when they were forbidden to take the front seat in buses. What would 
have happened if Jews and Jewish sympathizers used the same logic to 
stand still during the Holocaust?

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Just one of the facts of life.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Teal Bloodworth
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

> Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they do
> not understand but we see everything and just have a different perception
> and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "

>         Teal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


>> NABS
>> RE:  The Cursed

>> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various
religious
>> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
>> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses
>> and
>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and
that
>> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
>> you
>> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
>> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net



>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
>> The Cursed

>> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
>> from
>> somewhere in the Middle East?"

>> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
>> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
>> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
>> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
>> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
>> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
>> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke
>> up,
>> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally,
but
>> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
>> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
>> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.

>> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
>> hadn't
>> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
>> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
>> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next
words,
>> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."

>> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
>> morning's
>> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
>> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
>> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.

>> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
>> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
>> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.

>> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner
somewhere?"
>> Robert asked.

>> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
>> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."

>> "Yes!"

>> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and
>> a
>> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
>> disconcerting
>> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
>> looking
>> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."

>> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
>> work miracles."

>> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
>> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
>> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
>> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on
my
>> choice."

>> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"

>> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
>> for
>> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family.
>> It
>> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
>> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
>> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "

>> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
>> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
>> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
>> polite,
>> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.

>> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
>> feelings
>> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not
give
>> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
>> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be
fated
>> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
>> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
>> severely
>> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence
and,
>> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
>> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."


>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 03:39:59 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:39:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
In-Reply-To: <20091221003642.22285.91573@web3.serotek.com>
References: <20091221003642.22285.91573@web3.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912201939j47749c8eo17e5c9783424c32e@mail.gmail.com>

Good points there, Jedi.  I would never say that if I were in Robert's
shoes.  But think if I were in Dara's shoes.  If my dad forbade me
from marrying a man because he was blind and I was sighted, I'd
probably say, "I'm sorry, but the logic you are using is purely
religious and completely uneducated and untrue."
Beth

On 12/20/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
> Is that what you'd say to yourself if you were in Robert's shoes? What
> if you really loved that woman? Would you be willing to simply stay
> seated and say "That's just a fact of life?" The Blacks didn't say that
> when they were forbidden to take the front seat in buses. What would
> have happened if Jews and Jewish sympathizers used the same logic to
> stand still during the Holocaust?
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
>
> Original message:
>> Just one of the facts of life.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Teal Bloodworth
>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:45 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
>
>> Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they do
>> not understand but we see everything and just have a different perception
>> and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "
>
>>         Teal
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
>
>
>>> NABS
>>> RE:  The Cursed
>
>>> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various
>>> religious
>>> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
>>> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses
>>> and
>>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and
>>> that
>>> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
>>> you
>>> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
>>> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
>>> The Cursed
>
>>> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
>>> from
>>> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>
>>> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
>>> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
>>> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
>>> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
>>> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
>>> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
>>> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke
>>> up,
>>> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally,
>>> but
>>> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
>>> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
>>> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>
>>> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
>>> hadn't
>>> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
>>> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
>>> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next
>>> words,
>>> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>
>>> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
>>> morning's
>>> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
>>> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
>>> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>
>>> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
>>> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
>>> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>
>>> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner
>>> somewhere?"
>>> Robert asked.
>
>>> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
>>> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>
>>> "Yes!"
>
>>> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and
>>> a
>>> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
>>> disconcerting
>>> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
>>> looking
>>> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>
>>> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
>>> work miracles."
>
>>> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
>>> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
>>> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
>>> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on
>>> my
>>> choice."
>
>>> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"
>
>>> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
>>> for
>>> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family.
>>> It
>>> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
>>> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
>>> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>
>>> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
>>> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
>>> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
>>> polite,
>>> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>
>>> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
>>> feelings
>>> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not
>>> give
>>> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
>>> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be
>>> fated
>>> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
>>> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
>>> severely
>>> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence
>>> and,
>>> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
>>> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>
>
>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 21 04:01:49 2009
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:01:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley>
Message-ID: <9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41>

Hello Ashley:

     I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the 
Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe, 
Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of our 
work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal with 
a small budget and hold periodic meetings.

     When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help winterize a 
house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw on 
weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also installed 
plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the difficult window 
that had an airconditioner in it.

     In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of 
Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island. It was 
quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.

     If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of the 
NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house. The report 
I heard was that they did a very good job.

     My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a good 
thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails, drive 
screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal, kitchen sink 
faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the plumbing. When I 
was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by twenty-one foot deck. I have 
helped my Father roof a house and also helped with other maintenance. In 
case you wonder, I am totally blind. If you want to go overseas, I suggest 
trying a domestic opportunity first. Go with an organization that has a good 
track record and experienced leadership. Study about where you want to go, 
learn about the culture, the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign 
language is also helpful. Hope this helps.

Merry Christmas,

Robert Jaquiss


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions


>    Hi all,
>
>
> This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving around 
> the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project?  Anyone done 
> Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what alternative 
> techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?
>
> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I 
> would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to serve 
> lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library and 
> political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to hear 
> someone has done Habitat because that is something I am interested in but 
> I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and mix and lay 
> concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.
>
> Ashley
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Dec 21 04:24:08 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:24:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
Message-ID: <20091221042408.630.55717@web3.serotek.com>

Just curious. what would you say if you were in Robert's shoes?

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> No if I were in his place I would defend my self.  What I ment by that's a
> fact of life is that there are people that have that belief and even though
> they would be proven wrong they most possibly would still to support that
> belief.

> I would be very angry if a man would tell me that just because I'm blind I
> can't marry his daughter.  I can tell you this my parents are from Mexico
> and in the area they are from people almost never encounter a blind person,
> and when they meet me and see what I'm capable of it is hard for them to
> grasp it.

> I'm sorry that that was taken out of context I should have explained myself
> better.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jedi
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

> Is that what you'd say to yourself if you were in Robert's shoes? What
> if you really loved that woman? Would you be willing to simply stay
> seated and say "That's just a fact of life?" The Blacks didn't say that
> when they were forbidden to take the front seat in buses. What would
> have happened if Jews and Jewish sympathizers used the same logic to
> stand still during the Holocaust?

> Respectfully,
> Jedi


> Original message:
>> Just one of the facts of life.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> Of Teal Bloodworth
>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:45 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed

>> Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they do
>> not understand but we see everything and just have a different perception
>> and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "

>>         Teal
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


>>> NABS
>>> RE:  The Cursed

>>> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various
> religious
>>> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If you
>>> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses
>>> and
>>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and
> that
>>> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
>>> you
>>> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
>>> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net



>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
>>> The Cursed

>>> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
>>> from
>>> somewhere in the Middle East?"

>>> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at the
>>> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
>>> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, and
>>> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending the
>>> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he maneuvered
>>> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
>>> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she spoke
>>> up,
>>> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally,
> but
>>> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only one
>>> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this guy's
>>> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.

>>> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
>>> hadn't
>>> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew there
>>> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
>>> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next
> words,
>>> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."

>>> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
>>> morning's
>>> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
>>> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
>>> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.

>>> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
>>> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then lunch
>>> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.

>>> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner
> somewhere?"
>>> Robert asked.

>>> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
>>> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."

>>> "Yes!"

>>> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, and
>>> a
>>> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
>>> disconcerting
>>> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
>>> looking
>>> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."

>>> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, can
>>> work miracles."

>>> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
>>> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling in
>>> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
>>> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on
> my
>>> choice."

>>> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in love?"

>>> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
>>> for
>>> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the family.
>>> It
>>> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the family.
>>> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And his
>>> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "

>>> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction of
>>> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
>>> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
>>> polite,
>>> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.

>>> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
>>> feelings
>>> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not
> give
>>> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a fine
>>> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be
> fated
>>> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
>>> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
>>> severely
>>> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence
> and,
>>> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
>>> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."


>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Dec 21 05:25:45 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:25:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
References: <20091221003642.22285.91573@web3.serotek.com>
	<4383d01d0912201939j47749c8eo17e5c9783424c32e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F79019ABA228440BAC8D877642EBEFEF@NicoleNB>

I do not know that much about different religions, but I am not sure that 
women can do that in certain religions, at least not without getting into 
serious trouble.  This is a very interesting problem; two different issues 
are getting intertwined.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed


> Good points there, Jedi.  I would never say that if I were in Robert's
> shoes.  But think if I were in Dara's shoes.  If my dad forbade me
> from marrying a man because he was blind and I was sighted, I'd
> probably say, "I'm sorry, but the logic you are using is purely
> religious and completely uneducated and untrue."
> Beth
>
> On 12/20/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
>> Is that what you'd say to yourself if you were in Robert's shoes? What
>> if you really loved that woman? Would you be willing to simply stay
>> seated and say "That's just a fact of life?" The Blacks didn't say that
>> when they were forbidden to take the front seat in buses. What would
>> have happened if Jews and Jewish sympathizers used the same logic to
>> stand still during the Holocaust?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi
>>
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Just one of the facts of life.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Teal Bloodworth
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:45 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
>>
>>> Thats not fair...i understand that people dont do well with things they 
>>> do
>>> not understand but we see everything and just have a different 
>>> perception
>>> and a different way of aproaching the action of " seeing. "
>>
>>>         Teal
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robert Leslie Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>>> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 9:38 AM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #152- The Cursed
>>
>>
>>>> NABS
>>>> RE:  The Cursed
>>
>>>> Here is my #152nd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a study in how various
>>>> religious
>>>> factions will view the blind; from near sainthood to being cursed. If 
>>>> you
>>>> have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect 
>>>> responses
>>>> and
>>>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and
>>>> that
>>>> URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If
>>>> you
>>>> wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me 
>>>> and
>>>> ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 152
>>>> The Cursed
>>
>>>> "Hi, I'm Robert. Your accent, if I am reading it correctly, places you
>>>> from
>>>> somewhere in the Middle East?"
>>
>>>> The attractive dusky-skinned, dark-haired woman looked quizzically at 
>>>> the
>>>> guy approaching. He was about her age, nice looking, using a long white
>>>> cane. She had first noticed him upon her arrival in the hotel lobby, 
>>>> and
>>>> later in the registration line and reception area for those attending 
>>>> the
>>>> two-day conference. He had impressed her with his poise as he 
>>>> maneuvered
>>>> about independently, responding charmingly as he dealt with the awkward
>>>> reception his presence sometimes elicited. Without hesitation, she 
>>>> spoke
>>>> up,
>>>> "Hello, and, yes. To put a finger or two on the map, Cairo originally,
>>>> but
>>>> most recently, right here in Philly. My name is Dara --- I'm the only 
>>>> one
>>>> sitting in this row." A realization was blossoming within her; this 
>>>> guy's
>>>> disability didn't make her feel uncomfortable.
>>
>>>> Anticipation fueling his every stride, Robert moved into the row. He
>>>> hadn't
>>>> expected such a provocative seatmate at a conference where he knew 
>>>> there
>>>> wouldn't be anyone he'd know. Her voice is so beautiful, he thought.
>>>> Feeling at ease and maybe too much so, he couldn't believe his next
>>>> words,
>>>> "Well, guess I'll sit by you and fill up the row so it's just ours."
>>
>>>> They didn't have the entire row to themselves. Yet throughout the
>>>> morning's
>>>> presentations, they indulged in periodic soft-spoken exchanges.  Some
>>>> concerning the information being presented, some purely personal, and
>>>> sometimes, sharing some stifled laughter.
>>
>>>> At the end of the morning session, they decided to have lunch together.
>>>> Later, they had dinner, then the next morning, breakfast, and then 
>>>> lunch
>>>> again. The conference was over at 4:00 PM.
>>
>>>> "I've got to see you again. How about tomorrow lunch or dinner
>>>> somewhere?"
>>>> Robert asked.
>>
>>>> "Yes, me too. Ah --- how about you come over to my apartment and I make
>>>> dinner --- you bring a refreshment."
>>
>>>> "Yes!"
>>
>>>> The night of their date, dinner finished, with more wine, soft music, 
>>>> and
>>>> a
>>>> deep lingering kiss, Dara said, "I once heard that it was very
>>>> disconcerting
>>>> to look into a blind person's eyes. But ah --- being this close and
>>>> looking
>>>> --- I'm not sure I know what they are referring to."
>>
>>>> "Well I'm told --- good art work on non-scratch plastic like I have, 
>>>> can
>>>> work miracles."
>>
>>>> "Ha! Oh Robert my dear man," Dara snuggled closer, "you are so full of
>>>> surprises and delights. I must tell you that I feel that I am falling 
>>>> in
>>>> love with you. "Fingertips caressing his cheek,  "Before we get more
>>>> serious, we must go to my father. He must meet and pass his judgment on
>>>> my
>>>> choice."
>>
>>>> "Woo, You mean we have to get your father's permission to fall in 
>>>> love?"
>>
>>>> "No, it's not that way. I have my own heart and feelings. I respect you
>>>> for
>>>> who you are, my dear. Just that, my father is the --- head of the 
>>>> family.
>>>> It
>>>> is the way within my culture. The man oversees the affairs of the 
>>>> family.
>>>> You will like him. He is a generous, loving, and God fearing man. And 
>>>> his
>>>> being judgmental; well --- it goes along with the position "
>>
>>>> The day came for their trip to Dara's family home and her introduction 
>>>> of
>>>> Robert to her father came. Her mother served them tea and sweets. They
>>>> talked, drank tea, talked some more, and though her family were very
>>>> polite,
>>>> they were nevertheless very curious about how this blind man lived.
>>
>>>> After dinner, in her father's study, Dara and Robert spoke of their
>>>> feelings
>>>> for one another. And her father answered. "My dear daughter, I do not
>>>> give
>>>> my permission. Let me make this very clear, Robert, though you are a 
>>>> fine
>>>> fellow, I must oppose this marriage. I do not want my daughter to be
>>>> fated
>>>> to the life she would have to live if she is betrothed to you. You are
>>>> blind, a condition which greatly, how should I say it --- blindness
>>>> severely
>>>> impacts your life--you are stigmatized; you have reduced independence
>>>> and,
>>>> therefore, your prospects to financially care for my daughter are
>>>> handicapped. No. I forbid this union. You are one of God's cursed."
>>
>>
>>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 21 20:08:24 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:08:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley>
	<9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41>
Message-ID: <51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley>

Hi Robert,

Thanks for sharing your experience.  I figured this was doable; after all 
it seems  a pretty tactual thing.

What did you do to help the blind population in
Dominica?  That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done 
including getting them supplies.

That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church trip. 
Have you always been blind?  I have some central vision, but would do this 
sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.

For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your sense of 
touch?  Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?

How did you learn this stuff?  Did someone show you?  How do you hammer? 
You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering.  Maybe you 
check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little bit.  I am 
in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter for tips if 
I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.

BTW I am also a United Methodist.  What a coinsidence.  My home church sends 
a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the Lokota Indian 
reservation.  I am not into going overseas, at least not now.  There is 
enough to keep me busy in America.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions


> Hello Ashley:
>
>     I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the 
> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe, 
> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of our 
> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal 
> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
>
>     When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help winterize a 
> house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw on 
> weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also installed 
> plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the difficult 
> window that had an airconditioner in it.
>
>     In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of 
> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island. It 
> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
>
>     If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of the 
> NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house. The 
> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
>
>     My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a 
> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails, 
> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal, kitchen 
> sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the plumbing. 
> When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by twenty-one foot 
> deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also helped with other 
> maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally blind. If you want to go 
> overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity first. Go with an 
> organization that has a good track record and experienced leadership. 
> Study about where you want to go, learn about the culture, the food eaten 
> etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also helpful. Hope this 
> helps.
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
> Robert Jaquiss
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
>
>>    Hi all,
>>
>>
>> This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving 
>> around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project? 
>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what 
>> alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?
>>
>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I 
>> would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to serve 
>> lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library 
>> and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to 
>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am interested 
>> in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and mix 
>> and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.
>>
>> Ashley
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 21 20:48:28 2009
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:48:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley><9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41>
	<51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley>
Message-ID: <F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>

Hello Ashley:

     About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to a 
deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three people to 
come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.


     I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for 
roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of 
shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When 
hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head with 
the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to keep 
hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The sound 
of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not worked 
with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete on 
hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to be 
careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This 
would make reading braille awkward.

Merry Christmas,

Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions


> Hi Robert,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I figured this was doable; after all 
> it seems  a pretty tactual thing.
>
> What did you do to help the blind population in
> Dominica?  That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done 
> including getting them supplies.
>
> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church trip. 
> Have you always been blind?  I have some central vision, but would do this 
> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
>
> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your sense 
> of touch?  Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
>
> How did you learn this stuff?  Did someone show you?  How do you hammer? 
> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering.  Maybe 
> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little bit. 
> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter for 
> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
>
> BTW I am also a United Methodist.  What a coinsidence.  My home church 
> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the Lokota 
> Indian reservation.  I am not into going overseas, at least not now. 
> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
>
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
>
>> Hello Ashley:
>>
>>     I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the 
>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe, 
>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of our 
>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal 
>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
>>
>>     When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help winterize 
>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw 
>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also 
>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the 
>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
>>
>>     In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of 
>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island. It 
>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
>>
>>     If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of 
>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house. The 
>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
>>
>>     My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a 
>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails, 
>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal, 
>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the 
>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by 
>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also 
>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally blind. If 
>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity first. 
>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced 
>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the culture, 
>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also 
>> helpful. Hope this helps.
>>
>> Merry Christmas,
>>
>> Robert Jaquiss
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>
>>
>>>    Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>> This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving 
>>> around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project? 
>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what 
>>> alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?
>>>
>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I 
>>> would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to serve 
>>> lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library 
>>> and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to 
>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am interested 
>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and 
>>> mix and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
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>>
>>
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From priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 21 21:33:11 2009
From: priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com (priscilla garces)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:33:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
Message-ID: <SNT129-W339423B85462FAAFADADCDBA820@phx.gbl>


Dear listers,

I am currently encountering a problem with ETS because they are making it very difficult when it comes to requesting accomodations even though i signed extensive paperwork and sent in all required documentation to them through the school.

I registered to take the GRE (Graduat record examination) on february 6, 2010. I registered last week so i can get all of the accomodations needed in order to take the exam. Earlier, i registered for the GRE prep course offered by kaplan since the school sent me the paperwork being that i was a selected candidate through student support to recieve a full scholarship that helps pay the expense of the course which was $1200.

 

I registered for the course which was suposed to start on december 22, 2009 and end on january 14, 2010.

Once i sent all of the paperwork, i recieve a phone call saying that "you have to wait on the course untill the testing center gets the approval for the accomodations, therefore, you can't start the course since we haven't approved your accomodations. "you will have to wait 8 weeks before we decide whether or not you will get the accomodations." also, i tried to go online to register for the actual test and the form said the following "testers with disabilities who are requesting accomodations of any kind cannot register online," print and male the form to the address below which is Ets princeton NJ and it said the whole address." So actually i had to print the PDF document and have my advisor help me fill and male the form to ETS over night. I just called ETS along with Kaplan to adress my concerns and they said that they can't do nothing about that and that they haven't recieved the paperwork yet.

but, the point is that i sent it last week to the address indicated on the form when we filled it out.

they said that that's not garanteed yet.

So, i'm already applying to grad schools and i have to take the GRE. so I can't take the prep course because Ets is having me fill out very extensive paperwork just to request for the accomodations and now i can't take the prep course i registered for earlier because they are telling me that i have to wait a month and a half.

I 'm not sure if i am just making it seem as if this were too long, but the main problem is that i don't think that is fair for anyone of us who is visually impaired or has any other kind of disability.

Anyhow, has this ever happened to anyone of you in the process of applying to graduate school?

 

Is there anything i can do about this?Any suggestions are welcomed.

 

 

 

Thank you all very much, I really appreciate it.

 

Priscilla Garces

Ps. i am worried of not being able to go to grad school because of ETS being so difficult. This is really an ongoing problem that needs to be resolved.

 
 		 	   		  
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 23:33:04 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:33:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
In-Reply-To: <SNT129-W339423B85462FAAFADADCDBA820@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT129-W339423B85462FAAFADADCDBA820@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4b3005af.9453f10a.5e00.ffffa564@mx.google.com>

HI, 

I had no problem registering for and receiving GRE accommodations. I will
take the test in January. I didn't think any of the Kaplan courses were
accessible. I'm sorry I can't be of more help.

Liz 

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 23:46:22 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:46:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
In-Reply-To: <F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley>
	<9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41>
	<51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley>
	<F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912211546x43a6d0afq6087442c00d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi all,
  Robert:  I think what you've done is nothing small, there are many
people  who  might not flinch at the prospect of   going overseas as
they may not  find the need there ( people don't see the need in this
country, in their citys or around them.  Of course site has nothing to
do with it, people just don't take the time to make themselves aware
of what  is lacking in our situations/other situations and realize
that they are more empowered to do than they even think they are
themselves.

 Ashley:  habitat builds are  things I would love to do.  I served in
the national civilian community  corps (An AmeriCorps program) and
did some environmental work in colorado; building trails and  clearing
wood (halling slash).  I also did  construction work as a part of  a
project in   south Texas and  was a part of a constructional
restoration project in central Alabama.  In both alabama and texas, I
used your Standardhammer and nail gun.  I also used a hand sander and
painted.  Using powertools or even simple hand tools arn't very
difficult; you just have to get the hang of it.  My understanding of
habitat builds are that  they do train people before  they do take on
the job so if you don't know, it's okay because you arn't the only
person knowing.
   Best,
  Darian

On 12/21/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hello Ashley:
>
>      About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to a
> deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three people to
> come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.
>
>
>      I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for
> roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of
> shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When
> hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head with
> the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to keep
> hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The sound
> of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not worked
> with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete on
> hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to be
> careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This
> would make reading braille awkward.
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I figured this was doable; after all
>> it seems  a pretty tactual thing.
>>
>> What did you do to help the blind population in
>> Dominica?  That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done
>> including getting them supplies.
>>
>> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church trip.
>> Have you always been blind?  I have some central vision, but would do this
>>
>> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
>>
>> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your sense
>> of touch?  Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
>>
>> How did you learn this stuff?  Did someone show you?  How do you hammer?
>> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering.  Maybe
>> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little bit.
>> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter for
>> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
>>
>> BTW I am also a United Methodist.  What a coinsidence.  My home church
>> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the Lokota
>> Indian reservation.  I am not into going overseas, at least not now.
>> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
>>
>> Ashley
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>
>>
>>> Hello Ashley:
>>>
>>>     I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the
>>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe,
>>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of our
>>>
>>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal
>>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
>>>
>>>     When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help winterize
>>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw
>>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also
>>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the
>>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
>>>
>>>     In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of
>>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island. It
>>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
>>>
>>>     If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of
>>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house. The
>>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
>>>
>>>     My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a
>>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails,
>>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal,
>>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the
>>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by
>>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also
>>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally blind. If
>>>
>>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity first.
>>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced
>>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the culture,
>>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also
>>> helpful. Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas,
>>>
>>> Robert Jaquiss
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>>
>>>
>>>>    Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving
>>>> around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project?
>>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what
>>>> alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?
>>>>
>>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I
>>>> would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to serve
>>>>
>>>> lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library
>>>> and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to
>>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am interested
>>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and
>>>> mix and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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From missheather at comcast.net  Tue Dec 22 01:00:54 2009
From: missheather at comcast.net (H. Field)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:00:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
Message-ID: <7CF9B06BD0724126A4D2DD27B8F3936D@heathersony>

Hello Priscilla,
I'm so sorry you've been having all this trouble with ETS. It truly is 
so frustrating and they don't care how much inconvenience they cause 
do they. I've been through this kind of thing with them myself.

Anyway, I've got some advice that should help. Contact Peggy Elliot. 
She has worked extensively with ETS, on behalf of the National 
Federation. She has contacts, including one person assigned especially 
to sort out this kind of problem with blind applicants. So, she should 
be able to help you. I know how frustrating the whole ETS thing is. 
They really need to be made to sort out this kind of nonsense that 
they keep going on with. Anyway, I've included Peggy Elliot's contact 
info below. Give her a call tomorrow and/or e-mail her. I'm sure 
she'll be able to help.

Very warmest regards,

Heather Field.

Peggy Elliot.
work. 641-236-3366

E-mail.
delliott at pcpartner.net




From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 02:04:34 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:04:34 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
In-Reply-To: <7CF9B06BD0724126A4D2DD27B8F3936D@heathersony>
References: <7CF9B06BD0724126A4D2DD27B8F3936D@heathersony>
Message-ID: <85ff10070912211804p2dcfd120k76f99d51cb476744@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Priscilla and all,

I'm a little confused. If the course is offered by Kaplan and not by
ETS, then you should be allowed to take the Kaplan course no matter
what ETS says. Is ETS providing accommodations for your Kaplan course
as well?

Usually ETS says you need to request accommodations six to eight weeks
before your test date in order to be guaranteed accommodations;
however, I think this is just a formality. ETS may very well be able
to approve your request less than eight weeks after you mail in the
paperwork.

In my own case, I spoke with Nora Hallenbeck about my accommodations
and was approved and allowed to pay and register for the test within a
week or two of mailing in my paperwork. I was not scheduled for a test
date right away, but I was able to schedule it during the month when I
wanted to take the test.

Also, depending on what kind of test you use and the type of
accommodations you ask for, you may be able to work out your own test
date, and not necessarily take it on the day when everyone else is
testing. This is especially true if you use a reader or scribe, which
you will need to do if not taking the self-voicing computer test or
writing in print.

So I'd advise you to mail your forms in, give Nora Hallenbeck or Ruth
Loew a call by calling the main ETS number and asking for one of them,
and ask to confirm that they've received your materials. Then go ahead
and take the Kaplan prep course and call ETS again if you don't get
approval within a couple of weeks. Unless I missed something, it
doesn't sound like ETS has messed anything up yet, so I don't see a
need to contact Peggy Elliott unless they keep you waiting for longer
than the 6-8 weeks they promise. Remember, that's just a maximum wait
time.

Best of luck and let us know what happens.

Arielle

On 12/22/09, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Priscilla,
> I'm so sorry you've been having all this trouble with ETS. It truly is
> so frustrating and they don't care how much inconvenience they cause
> do they. I've been through this kind of thing with them myself.
>
> Anyway, I've got some advice that should help. Contact Peggy Elliot.
> She has worked extensively with ETS, on behalf of the National
> Federation. She has contacts, including one person assigned especially
> to sort out this kind of problem with blind applicants. So, she should
> be able to help you. I know how frustrating the whole ETS thing is.
> They really need to be made to sort out this kind of nonsense that
> they keep going on with. Anyway, I've included Peggy Elliot's contact
> info below. Give her a call tomorrow and/or e-mail her. I'm sure
> she'll be able to help.
>
> Very warmest regards,
>
> Heather Field.
>
> Peggy Elliot.
> work. 641-236-3366
>
> E-mail.
> delliott at pcpartner.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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-- 
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President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Tue Dec 22 02:24:47 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews,
	David B B (DEED))
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:24:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: BookSense 2.0 Firmware Now Available
Message-ID: <auto-000132369831@mailfront1.g2host.com>


GW Micro is pleased to announce the release of the BookSense 2.0 
firmware! This is a free upgrade for all BookSense customers. We have 
been listening to your requests, and there have been many changes to 
the BookSense firmware in response to customer input.

The BookSense now has the ability to move by headings in the Document 
Reader when you are in an html or xml file. This means easier and 
faster navigation when reading these types of files, saving you time 
and energy.

The time increment to move forward and backward in each application 
is now consistent. For example, you can now move forward or backward 
within a file by five seconds regardless of whether you are in the 
DAISY Player, Document Reader, or Media Player. This feature provides 
you with added flexibility while listening to your favorite books or music.

Marks in the BookSense were given a complete overhaul. Since you can 
have up to 1,000 marks, you may not remember the number of the next 
mark that you want to insert. The BookSense now tells you the number 
of the next available mark when you want to insert a new mark. You 
can now add marks and move by marks in the DAISY Player, Document 
Reader, and the Media Player. If you have an MP3 audio book in one of 
the default folders, such as Audio Books, you are now able to insert 
a mark into the book, and the BookSense will remember the position, 
allowing for extremely simple navigation. You also now have three 
types of marks to choose from: a mark, a voice memo mark, and a 
highlight mark. Voice memo marks now speak when you are passing the 
mark inside a book, and the highlight mark function allows you to 
select a passage of text to be able to mark material that is 
important to you, such as information in a textbook that you may want 
to refer to later.

Be able to fall asleep faster with the comfort of the enhanced sleep 
timer. The BookSense now allows you to customize the time it goes to 
sleep. You can press the number 4 for at least two seconds, and then 
type a number between 0 and 90. This way, you can choose your own 
time when you want the BookSense to go to sleep.

Audio books are now treated as a whole book rather than separate MP3 
files. This means no more fumbling around with audio books that are 
broken into multiple MP3 files. In addition to your Audio Books 
folder, this new enhancement also applies to all of the files and 
folders found in your Podcast and Movies folder.

A hotkey has been added to easily connect Bluetooth headphones. 
Instead of having to access the menu to pair your Bluetooth 
headphones, you can press the number 6 for at least two seconds while 
in the DAISY Player, Document Reader, or Media Player, and your 
BookSense will connect to the Bluetooth headphones that you have 
paired. Or, if you have not paired a Bluetooth headset, the Bluetooth 
dialog will open, so that you can easily pair the headphones with 
your BookSense.

One of the biggest improvements that we have made with BookSense 2.0 
is that the BookSense now supports Recording for the Blind and 
Dyslexic (RFB&D). However, while the BookSense supports RFB&D, you 
cannot yet download books from the RFB&D website. RFB&D is working 
diligently to add the BookSense to their website, and we tentatively 
expect the BookSense to be on the RFB&D website by January 11, 2010. 
The good news is that once you have downloaded and installed 
BookSense 2.0, as soon as RFB&D adds the BookSense to their website, 
you will be able to play RFB&D books, assuming you have authorized 
your BookSense to play RFB&D content. For more information on RFB&D, 
please visit <http://www.rfbd.org/>www.rfbd.org.

There are so many changes that we can't list all of them in this 
announcement. To get the full list of changes to the BookSense, as 
well as version 2.0 of the BookSense firmware, go to 
www.gwmicro.com/booksense. For more information on how to upgrade the 
BookSense firmware, check out www.gwmicro.com/kb1107.
If you have issues or questions regarding updating your BookSense 
software, please contact our Technical Support Department at (260) 
489-3671, or via email at <mailto:support at gwmicro.com>support at gwmicro.com.

From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 02:26:27 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:26:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
In-Reply-To: <85ff10070912211804p2dcfd120k76f99d51cb476744@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF8A59D077D64C23B3EEC8722260555E@Rufus>

I echo Arielle's message.  ETS and I had to have a heart to heart over what
documents they deemed important for me to receive accommodations, but once
we got past this hurdle it was smooth sailing.  I don't mean to imply that
anyone on this thread hasn't done this, but requesting accommodations for
any standardized exam very often boils down to strength of self-advocacy.
Their websites look very strict, and while I would never tell you to run
things your way, if you're taking the GRE chances are you've had experience
separating what is necessary versus what is nonsense.  Don't be afraid to
step up and call them out on their faults.  I would say, however, that if
you're trying to take a course, you should be more diligent about when you
apply for accommodations.  You should probably not be enrolling for a course
with ETS funds right around the same time you're trying to resolve
accommodations through the same organization.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS

Hi Priscilla and all,

I'm a little confused. If the course is offered by Kaplan and 
not by ETS, then you should be allowed to take the Kaplan 
course no matter what ETS says. Is ETS providing accommodations 
for your Kaplan course as well?

Usually ETS says you need to request accommodations six to 
eight weeks before your test date in order to be guaranteed 
accommodations; however, I think this is just a formality. ETS 
may very well be able to approve your request less than eight 
weeks after you mail in the paperwork.

In my own case, I spoke with Nora Hallenbeck about my 
accommodations and was approved and allowed to pay and register 
for the test within a week or two of mailing in my paperwork. I 
was not scheduled for a test date right away, but I was able to 
schedule it during the month when I wanted to take the test.

Also, depending on what kind of test you use and the type of 
accommodations you ask for, you may be able to work out your 
own test date, and not necessarily take it on the day when 
everyone else is testing. This is especially true if you use a 
reader or scribe, which you will need to do if not taking the 
self-voicing computer test or writing in print.

So I'd advise you to mail your forms in, give Nora Hallenbeck 
or Ruth Loew a call by calling the main ETS number and asking 
for one of them, and ask to confirm that they've received your 
materials. Then go ahead and take the Kaplan prep course and 
call ETS again if you don't get approval within a couple of 
weeks. Unless I missed something, it doesn't sound like ETS has 
messed anything up yet, so I don't see a need to contact Peggy 
Elliott unless they keep you waiting for longer than the 6-8 
weeks they promise. Remember, that's just a maximum wait time.

Best of luck and let us know what happens.

Arielle

On 12/22/09, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hello Priscilla,
> I'm so sorry you've been having all this trouble with ETS. It 
truly is 
> so frustrating and they don't care how much inconvenience they cause 
> do they. I've been through this kind of thing with them myself.
>
> Anyway, I've got some advice that should help. Contact Peggy Elliot.
> She has worked extensively with ETS, on behalf of the National 
> Federation. She has contacts, including one person assigned 
especially 
> to sort out this kind of problem with blind applicants. So, 
she should 
> be able to help you. I know how frustrating the whole ETS thing is.
> They really need to be made to sort out this kind of nonsense that 
> they keep going on with. Anyway, I've included Peggy Elliot's contact 
> info below. Give her a call tomorrow and/or e-mail her. I'm sure 
> she'll be able to help.
>
> Very warmest regards,
>
> Heather Field.
>
> Peggy Elliot.
> work. 641-236-3366
>
> E-mail.
> delliott at pcpartner.net
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> %40gmail.com
>


--
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President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org

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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 02:40:56 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:40:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
In-Reply-To: <85ff10070912211804p2dcfd120k76f99d51cb476744@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74399.44025.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When I requested accommodations from Kaplan, I requested the forms from them and they sent them to me in an email.  I filled them out accordingly.  The accommodations from ETS were excepted since ETS received my approved accommodation from Kaplan.  when Kaplan approves them, ETS will onor the same requests.  ETS permits all accommodations in reguard to one with a visual disability.  Note:  The computer-based exam is easy to use and request the trial program with the actual exam.  Norra is verry helpfull.  You can contact her at (609)771-7598.


--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 9:04 PM
> Hi Priscilla and all,
> 
> I'm a little confused. If the course is offered by Kaplan
> and not by
> ETS, then you should be allowed to take the Kaplan course
> no matter
> what ETS says. Is ETS providing accommodations for your
> Kaplan course
> as well?
> 
> Usually ETS says you need to request accommodations six to
> eight weeks
> before your test date in order to be guaranteed
> accommodations;
> however, I think this is just a formality. ETS may very
> well be able
> to approve your request less than eight weeks after you
> mail in the
> paperwork.
> 
> In my own case, I spoke with Nora Hallenbeck about my
> accommodations
> and was approved and allowed to pay and register for the
> test within a
> week or two of mailing in my paperwork. I was not scheduled
> for a test
> date right away, but I was able to schedule it during the
> month when I
> wanted to take the test.
> 
> Also, depending on what kind of test you use and the type
> of
> accommodations you ask for, you may be able to work out
> your own test
> date, and not necessarily take it on the day when everyone
> else is
> testing. This is especially true if you use a reader or
> scribe, which
> you will need to do if not taking the self-voicing computer
> test or
> writing in print.
> 
> So I'd advise you to mail your forms in, give Nora
> Hallenbeck or Ruth
> Loew a call by calling the main ETS number and asking for
> one of them,
> and ask to confirm that they've received your materials.
> Then go ahead
> and take the Kaplan prep course and call ETS again if you
> don't get
> approval within a couple of weeks. Unless I missed
> something, it
> doesn't sound like ETS has messed anything up yet, so I
> don't see a
> need to contact Peggy Elliott unless they keep you waiting
> for longer
> than the 6-8 weeks they promise. Remember, that's just a
> maximum wait
> time.
> 
> Best of luck and let us know what happens.
> 
> Arielle
> 
> On 12/22/09, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> > Hello Priscilla,
> > I'm so sorry you've been having all this trouble with
> ETS. It truly is
> > so frustrating and they don't care how much
> inconvenience they cause
> > do they. I've been through this kind of thing with
> them myself.
> >
> > Anyway, I've got some advice that should help. Contact
> Peggy Elliot.
> > She has worked extensively with ETS, on behalf of the
> National
> > Federation. She has contacts, including one person
> assigned especially
> > to sort out this kind of problem with blind
> applicants. So, she should
> > be able to help you. I know how frustrating the whole
> ETS thing is.
> > They really need to be made to sort out this kind of
> nonsense that
> > they keep going on with. Anyway, I've included Peggy
> Elliot's contact
> > info below. Give her a call tomorrow and/or e-mail
> her. I'm sure
> > she'll be able to help.
> >
> > Very warmest regards,
> >
> > Heather Field.
> >
> > Peggy Elliot.
> > work. 641-236-3366
> >
> > E-mail.
> > delliott at pcpartner.net
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
> account info for
> > nabs-l:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
> 
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 02:56:48 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:56:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Kaplan Forms
Message-ID: <149535.40456.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Here are the general accommodation forms directly from Kaplan. 


      
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 22 03:32:05 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley><9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41><51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley><F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>
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Hi Darian,

There is a need to reach out in our own country and overseas.  Financially 
its easier to start in the US.

That's great you were part of a construction project.  How many did you work 
with?  You say you did some painting.  What did you paint?  Do you have any 
vision?  I think that would be helpful to keep track of what you're 
painting.

Alabama and Texas are quite different places.  Was this part of a mission or 
what sort of purpose was it for?
What did you use the hand sander for?  I've heard of it but know little 
about it.  Did you find yourself doing things differently than your sighted 
workers?  I would think not; you'd just have to feel a little more and 
listen.  Any of you cut wood for construction?

This is interesting.

Merry Christmas.

Ashley



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions


> Hi all,
>  Robert:  I think what you've done is nothing small, there are many
> people  who  might not flinch at the prospect of   going overseas as
> they may not  find the need there ( people don't see the need in this
> country, in their citys or around them.  Of course site has nothing to
> do with it, people just don't take the time to make themselves aware
> of what  is lacking in our situations/other situations and realize
> that they are more empowered to do than they even think they are
> themselves.
>
> Ashley:  habitat builds are  things I would love to do.  I served in
> the national civilian community  corps (An AmeriCorps program) and
> did some environmental work in colorado; building trails and  clearing
> wood (halling slash).  I also did  construction work as a part of  a
> project in   south Texas and  was a part of a constructional
> restoration project in central Alabama.  In both alabama and texas, I
> used your Standardhammer and nail gun.  I also used a hand sander and
> painted.  Using powertools or even simple hand tools arn't very
> difficult; you just have to get the hang of it.  My understanding of
> habitat builds are that  they do train people before  they do take on
> the job so if you don't know, it's okay because you arn't the only
> person knowing.
>   Best,
>  Darian
>
> On 12/21/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello Ashley:
>>
>>      About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to 
>> a
>> deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three people 
>> to
>> come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.
>>
>>
>>      I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for
>> roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of
>> shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When
>> hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head with
>> the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to 
>> keep
>> hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The 
>> sound
>> of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not 
>> worked
>> with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete on
>> hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to be
>> careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This
>> would make reading braille awkward.
>>
>> Merry Christmas,
>>
>> Robert
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>
>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I figured this was doable; after 
>>> all
>>> it seems  a pretty tactual thing.
>>>
>>> What did you do to help the blind population in
>>> Dominica?  That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done
>>> including getting them supplies.
>>>
>>> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church trip.
>>> Have you always been blind?  I have some central vision, but would do 
>>> this
>>>
>>> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
>>>
>>> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your 
>>> sense
>>> of touch?  Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
>>>
>>> How did you learn this stuff?  Did someone show you?  How do you hammer?
>>> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering.  Maybe
>>> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little 
>>> bit.
>>> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter for
>>> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
>>>
>>> BTW I am also a United Methodist.  What a coinsidence.  My home church
>>> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the Lokota
>>> Indian reservation.  I am not into going overseas, at least not now.
>>> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello Ashley:
>>>>
>>>>     I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the
>>>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe,
>>>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of 
>>>> our
>>>>
>>>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal
>>>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
>>>>
>>>>     When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help 
>>>> winterize
>>>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw
>>>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also
>>>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the
>>>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
>>>>
>>>>     In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of
>>>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island. 
>>>> It
>>>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
>>>>
>>>>     If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of
>>>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house. 
>>>> The
>>>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
>>>>
>>>>     My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a
>>>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails,
>>>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal,
>>>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the
>>>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by
>>>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also
>>>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally blind. 
>>>> If
>>>>
>>>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity first.
>>>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced
>>>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the culture,
>>>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also
>>>> helpful. Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Merry Christmas,
>>>>
>>>> Robert Jaquiss
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving
>>>>> around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project?
>>>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what
>>>>> alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I
>>>>> would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to 
>>>>> serve
>>>>>
>>>>> lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library
>>>>> and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to
>>>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am 
>>>>> interested
>>>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and
>>>>> mix and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
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From brownbears at mchsi.com  Tue Dec 22 03:51:12 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:51:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF's
Message-ID: <DAEE2FD24BF04A479CA338704C4BF510@MIRANDA>

Hi,
 
I need to fill out a job application and it is in PDF format, how do you
fill out PDF's and what software do you need? You can email me off list if
you would like since this is probably a repeat. brownbears at mchsi.com
 
All suggestions welcome. I am not the most technology advanced person. 

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 06:30:46 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:30:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
In-Reply-To: <7AAC5D822E1C43FC9394308E98516BAB@Ashley>
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Robert: nothing  developing as of yet with community service division
stuff.   I would love to see  something   come out of it, but there is
 not alot of  interest right now that I've gotten.
 I've  been sending out E-mails to those who have been contacting me
and I'll update people and  regage interest amungst those individuals
who I know have interest.

 Ashley:
  I had done all of the work I mentioned with AmeriCorps.   So  I had
served on four different projects doing   different jobs on each
project, but I did find that I  ended up doing  quite a bit  of
construction work.
  I used a Dropsaw or chopsaw; a tool that  had a base and  it is
atatched to a  saw with a handle  and safety structure around it  and
you use a handle  to lower the running saw blade to the  wood and it
cuts throughwooden boards.
  People  do use circular saws to cut as well; I'm just not  one of
those people who has used it very  much  so I'm not to  confident in
it yet.

 I also have used a sawzall; I think of it as a smaller hand-held
version of a chainsaw.  it's actually pretty fun as well.
  you can measure  with different tools but I'm not very  well versed
in those tools, but I wont to learn as much as possible about them, so
a habitat build would be great for me I think.
   as painting goes; I   painted walls and building sides; I  would
paint alongside a sighted person  because I felt that for myself, it
was a little easier  to have somebody  point out of I missed a spot,
and  it was good to keep up conversation.
I just  went about the act of painting by  moving the roller up  and
down the wall moving  down  the wall  kind of inching my way along to
insure I did my best to  minimize mistakes.
 it's easy to hear when you  are running out of paint because you just
 hear the   kind of scraping of the  roller aginst the  wall as it's
ran out of paint to rool on the wall.
  Hand sander was a  nice little tool.
  just a electric hand held tool that  you would atatch a sand paper
covered disc to the  end of it and  hold the trigger.   you can  hold
the  tool in motin over  the  spot you need  to san for a  couple of
seconds and then move  on along the area you need to sand.
I generally dubble checked with my non-sanding hand to
 see how smooth the surface   is.
  i did some things different  than my sighted worckers, but  I
learned that this was my way of doing it.
 I think we learn  different ways of doing things and in what I did,
ti might have been a little different in that you just kind of  are
learning as you go.  maybe you have training, maybe you  tinker around
with different things.   At the end of the day, you just kind  go for
what works, my team mates were great at teaching me as well  could be
said for my site supervisors.
 I'm rambling I know,
 but  I think the point is  that  to be able to use power tools as a
blind person certainly it's a  really good feeling to know that you
yourself can do it and as a tudent it ties in to the  thought that if
you are a part of a club or an alternitive spring break where  the
oppertunity  comes up  that you might have  the chance to use power
tools, you  can go into it  not fearing at all that you can't be
successful.
  Darian


On 12/21/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Darian,
>
> There is a need to reach out in our own country and overseas.  Financially
> its easier to start in the US.
>
> That's great you were part of a construction project.  How many did you work
> with?  You say you did some painting.  What did you paint?  Do you have any
> vision?  I think that would be helpful to keep track of what you're
> painting.
>
> Alabama and Texas are quite different places.  Was this part of a mission or
> what sort of purpose was it for?
> What did you use the hand sander for?  I've heard of it but know little
> about it.  Did you find yourself doing things differently than your sighted
> workers?  I would think not; you'd just have to feel a little more and
> listen.  Any of you cut wood for construction?
>
> This is interesting.
>
> Merry Christmas.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>  Robert:  I think what you've done is nothing small, there are many
>> people  who  might not flinch at the prospect of   going overseas as
>> they may not  find the need there ( people don't see the need in this
>> country, in their citys or around them.  Of course site has nothing to
>> do with it, people just don't take the time to make themselves aware
>> of what  is lacking in our situations/other situations and realize
>> that they are more empowered to do than they even think they are
>> themselves.
>>
>> Ashley:  habitat builds are  things I would love to do.  I served in
>> the national civilian community  corps (An AmeriCorps program) and
>> did some environmental work in colorado; building trails and  clearing
>> wood (halling slash).  I also did  construction work as a part of  a
>> project in   south Texas and  was a part of a constructional
>> restoration project in central Alabama.  In both alabama and texas, I
>> used your Standardhammer and nail gun.  I also used a hand sander and
>> painted.  Using powertools or even simple hand tools arn't very
>> difficult; you just have to get the hang of it.  My understanding of
>> habitat builds are that  they do train people before  they do take on
>> the job so if you don't know, it's okay because you arn't the only
>> person knowing.
>>   Best,
>>  Darian
>>
>> On 12/21/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Hello Ashley:
>>>
>>>      About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to
>>> a
>>> deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three people
>>>
>>> to
>>> come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.
>>>
>>>
>>>      I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for
>>> roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of
>>> shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When
>>> hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head with
>>> the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to
>>> keep
>>> hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The
>>> sound
>>> of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not
>>> worked
>>> with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete on
>>> hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to be
>>> careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This
>>> would make reading braille awkward.
>>>
>>> Merry Christmas,
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing your experience.  I figured this was doable; after
>>>> all
>>>> it seems  a pretty tactual thing.
>>>>
>>>> What did you do to help the blind population in
>>>> Dominica?  That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done
>>>> including getting them supplies.
>>>>
>>>> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church trip.
>>>> Have you always been blind?  I have some central vision, but would do
>>>> this
>>>>
>>>> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
>>>>
>>>> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your
>>>> sense
>>>> of touch?  Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
>>>>
>>>> How did you learn this stuff?  Did someone show you?  How do you hammer?
>>>> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering.  Maybe
>>>> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little
>>>> bit.
>>>> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter for
>>>> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
>>>>
>>>> BTW I am also a United Methodist.  What a coinsidence.  My home church
>>>> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the Lokota
>>>> Indian reservation.  I am not into going overseas, at least not now.
>>>> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Ashley:
>>>>>
>>>>>     I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the
>>>>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe,
>>>>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of
>>>>> our
>>>>>
>>>>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal
>>>>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>>     When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help
>>>>> winterize
>>>>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw
>>>>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also
>>>>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the
>>>>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
>>>>>
>>>>>     In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of
>>>>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island.
>>>>> It
>>>>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
>>>>>
>>>>>     If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of
>>>>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house.
>>>>> The
>>>>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
>>>>>
>>>>>     My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a
>>>>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails,
>>>>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal,
>>>>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the
>>>>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by
>>>>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also
>>>>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally blind.
>>>>> If
>>>>>
>>>>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity first.
>>>>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced
>>>>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the culture,
>>>>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also
>>>>> helpful. Hope this helps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Merry Christmas,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Jaquiss
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This list is sure quiet.  I was thinking this is the time of giving
>>>>>> around the holidays.  Have you participated in an outreach project?
>>>>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what
>>>>>> alternative techniques did you use?  Can we hammer and drill safely?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?  I
>>>>>> would like to do that someday.  So far I have been to a shelter to
>>>>>> serve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lunch with my church.  I have volunteered for the talking book library
>>>>>> and political campaigns.  So what are you all doing lately?  I hope to
>>>>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am
>>>>>> interested
>>>>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute.  I think I could paint  and
>>>>>> mix and lay concrete outside.  Look forward to your responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
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>> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
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>> past and future generations,
>> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
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past and future generations,
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you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
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From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 22 13:28:13 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:28:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
In-Reply-To: <7AAC5D822E1C43FC9394308E98516BAB@Ashley>
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley><9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41><51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley><F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>,
	<409c235c0912211546x43a6d0afq6087442c00d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7AAC5D822E1C43FC9394308E98516BAB@Ashley>
Message-ID: <SNT133-w60AB04E135BA6C6FEA52728B810@phx.gbl>


Ashley, I remember using the hand sander in shop class at the Louisiana Center for the blind. I remember how the wood would be smooth around the edges after going over the edges with the hand sander. This is if I remember the tools correctly. Is this what the hand sander is used for to keep the edges of the wood smooth? I remember cutting wood. that you had to be careful the piece would not come back and hit you in the face. You had to make the piece of wood was secure before you started cutting the wood. This is what I remember learning in shop class at the Louisiana Center for the blind. Any one else who took shop class at the louisiana center for the blind would have different experiences
 
> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> 
> Hi Darian,
> 
> There is a need to reach out in our own country and overseas. Financially 
> its easier to start in the US.
> 
> That's great you were part of a construction project. How many did you work 
> with? You say you did some painting. What did you paint? Do you have any 
> vision? I think that would be helpful to keep track of what you're 
> painting.
> 
> Alabama and Texas are quite different places. Was this part of a mission or 
> what sort of purpose was it for?
> What did you use the hand sander for? I've heard of it but know little 
> about it. Did you find yourself doing things differently than your sighted 
> workers? I would think not; you'd just have to feel a little more and 
> listen. Any of you cut wood for construction?
> 
> This is interesting.
> 
> Merry Christmas.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> > Robert: I think what you've done is nothing small, there are many
> > people who might not flinch at the prospect of going overseas as
> > they may not find the need there ( people don't see the need in this
> > country, in their citys or around them. Of course site has nothing to
> > do with it, people just don't take the time to make themselves aware
> > of what is lacking in our situations/other situations and realize
> > that they are more empowered to do than they even think they are
> > themselves.
> >
> > Ashley: habitat builds are things I would love to do. I served in
> > the national civilian community corps (An AmeriCorps program) and
> > did some environmental work in colorado; building trails and clearing
> > wood (halling slash). I also did construction work as a part of a
> > project in south Texas and was a part of a constructional
> > restoration project in central Alabama. In both alabama and texas, I
> > used your Standardhammer and nail gun. I also used a hand sander and
> > painted. Using powertools or even simple hand tools arn't very
> > difficult; you just have to get the hang of it. My understanding of
> > habitat builds are that they do train people before they do take on
> > the job so if you don't know, it's okay because you arn't the only
> > person knowing.
> > Best,
> > Darian
> >
> > On 12/21/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Hello Ashley:
> >>
> >> About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to 
> >> a
> >> deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three people 
> >> to
> >> come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for
> >> roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of
> >> shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When
> >> hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head with
> >> the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to 
> >> keep
> >> hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The 
> >> sound
> >> of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not 
> >> worked
> >> with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete on
> >> hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to be
> >> careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This
> >> would make reading braille awkward.
> >>
> >> Merry Christmas,
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Robert,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for sharing your experience. I figured this was doable; after 
> >>> all
> >>> it seems a pretty tactual thing.
> >>>
> >>> What did you do to help the blind population in
> >>> Dominica? That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done
> >>> including getting them supplies.
> >>>
> >>> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church trip.
> >>> Have you always been blind? I have some central vision, but would do 
> >>> this
> >>>
> >>> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
> >>>
> >>> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your 
> >>> sense
> >>> of touch? Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
> >>>
> >>> How did you learn this stuff? Did someone show you? How do you hammer?
> >>> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering. Maybe
> >>> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little 
> >>> bit.
> >>> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter for
> >>> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
> >>>
> >>> BTW I am also a United Methodist. What a coinsidence. My home church
> >>> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the Lokota
> >>> Indian reservation. I am not into going overseas, at least not now.
> >>> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Ashley:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the
> >>>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe,
> >>>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of 
> >>>> our
> >>>>
> >>>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also deal
> >>>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help 
> >>>> winterize
> >>>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed screw
> >>>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also
> >>>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the
> >>>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of
> >>>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island. 
> >>>> It
> >>>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of
> >>>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house. 
> >>>> The
> >>>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
> >>>>
> >>>> My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a
> >>>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer nails,
> >>>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal,
> >>>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all the
> >>>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by
> >>>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also
> >>>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally blind. 
> >>>> If
> >>>>
> >>>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity first.
> >>>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced
> >>>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the culture,
> >>>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also
> >>>> helpful. Hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Merry Christmas,
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Jaquiss
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This list is sure quiet. I was thinking this is the time of giving
> >>>>> around the holidays. Have you participated in an outreach project?
> >>>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what
> >>>>> alternative techniques did you use? Can we hammer and drill safely?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips? I
> >>>>> would like to do that someday. So far I have been to a shelter to 
> >>>>> serve
> >>>>>
> >>>>> lunch with my church. I have volunteered for the talking book library
> >>>>> and political campaigns. So what are you all doing lately? I hope to
> >>>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am 
> >>>>> interested
> >>>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute. I think I could paint and
> >>>>> mix and lay concrete outside. Look forward to your responses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ashley
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> > recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
> > individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
> > help! To Get Involved go to:
> > www.TeachBlindStudents.org
> >
> >
> > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> > before us;
> > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> > past and future generations,
> > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> > done, and
> > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
> >
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 14:50:10 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:50:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
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	<409c235c0912211546x43a6d0afq6087442c00d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com>,
	<7AAC5D822E1C43FC9394308E98516BAB@Ashley>
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I use power tools all the time. The only thing is you just got to figure out 
a system that is safe and works for you. Don’t get discouraged. There is 
always a way.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions



Ashley, I remember using the hand sander in shop class at the Louisiana 
Center for the blind. I remember how the wood would be smooth around the 
edges after going over the edges with the hand sander. This is if I remember 
the tools correctly. Is this what the hand sander is used for to keep the 
edges of the wood smooth? I remember cutting wood. that you had to be 
careful the piece would not come back and hit you in the face. You had to 
make the piece of wood was secure before you started cutting the wood. This 
is what I remember learning in shop class at the Louisiana Center for the 
blind. Any one else who took shop class at the louisiana center for the 
blind would have different experiences

> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
> Hi Darian,
>
> There is a need to reach out in our own country and overseas. Financially
> its easier to start in the US.
>
> That's great you were part of a construction project. How many did you 
> work
> with? You say you did some painting. What did you paint? Do you have any
> vision? I think that would be helpful to keep track of what you're
> painting.
>
> Alabama and Texas are quite different places. Was this part of a mission 
> or
> what sort of purpose was it for?
> What did you use the hand sander for? I've heard of it but know little
> about it. Did you find yourself doing things differently than your sighted
> workers? I would think not; you'd just have to feel a little more and
> listen. Any of you cut wood for construction?
>
> This is interesting.
>
> Merry Christmas.
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
>
> > Hi all,
> > Robert: I think what you've done is nothing small, there are many
> > people who might not flinch at the prospect of going overseas as
> > they may not find the need there ( people don't see the need in this
> > country, in their citys or around them. Of course site has nothing to
> > do with it, people just don't take the time to make themselves aware
> > of what is lacking in our situations/other situations and realize
> > that they are more empowered to do than they even think they are
> > themselves.
> >
> > Ashley: habitat builds are things I would love to do. I served in
> > the national civilian community corps (An AmeriCorps program) and
> > did some environmental work in colorado; building trails and clearing
> > wood (halling slash). I also did construction work as a part of a
> > project in south Texas and was a part of a constructional
> > restoration project in central Alabama. In both alabama and texas, I
> > used your Standardhammer and nail gun. I also used a hand sander and
> > painted. Using powertools or even simple hand tools arn't very
> > difficult; you just have to get the hang of it. My understanding of
> > habitat builds are that they do train people before they do take on
> > the job so if you don't know, it's okay because you arn't the only
> > person knowing.
> > Best,
> > Darian
> >
> > On 12/21/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> Hello Ashley:
> >>
> >> About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to
> >> a
> >> deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three 
> >> people
> >> to
> >> come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.
> >>
> >>
> >> I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for
> >> roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of
> >> shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When
> >> hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head 
> >> with
> >> the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to
> >> keep
> >> hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The
> >> sound
> >> of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not
> >> worked
> >> with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete 
> >> on
> >> hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to 
> >> be
> >> careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This
> >> would make reading braille awkward.
> >>
> >> Merry Christmas,
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi Robert,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for sharing your experience. I figured this was doable; after
> >>> all
> >>> it seems a pretty tactual thing.
> >>>
> >>> What did you do to help the blind population in
> >>> Dominica? That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done
> >>> including getting them supplies.
> >>>
> >>> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church 
> >>> trip.
> >>> Have you always been blind? I have some central vision, but would do
> >>> this
> >>>
> >>> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
> >>>
> >>> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your
> >>> sense
> >>> of touch? Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
> >>>
> >>> How did you learn this stuff? Did someone show you? How do you hammer?
> >>> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering. Maybe
> >>> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little
> >>> bit.
> >>> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter 
> >>> for
> >>> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
> >>>
> >>> BTW I am also a United Methodist. What a coinsidence. My home church
> >>> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the 
> >>> Lokota
> >>> Indian reservation. I am not into going overseas, at least not now.
> >>> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hello Ashley:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the
> >>>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe,
> >>>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of
> >>>> our
> >>>>
> >>>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also 
> >>>> deal
> >>>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help
> >>>> winterize
> >>>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed 
> >>>> screw
> >>>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also
> >>>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the
> >>>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of
> >>>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island.
> >>>> It
> >>>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of
> >>>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house.
> >>>> The
> >>>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
> >>>>
> >>>> My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a
> >>>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer 
> >>>> nails,
> >>>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal,
> >>>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all 
> >>>> the
> >>>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by
> >>>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also
> >>>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally 
> >>>> blind.
> >>>> If
> >>>>
> >>>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity 
> >>>> first.
> >>>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced
> >>>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the 
> >>>> culture,
> >>>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also
> >>>> helpful. Hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>> Merry Christmas,
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Jaquiss
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This list is sure quiet. I was thinking this is the time of giving
> >>>>> around the holidays. Have you participated in an outreach project?
> >>>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what
> >>>>> alternative techniques did you use? Can we hammer and drill safely?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips? 
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> would like to do that someday. So far I have been to a shelter to
> >>>>> serve
> >>>>>
> >>>>> lunch with my church. I have volunteered for the talking book 
> >>>>> library
> >>>>> and political campaigns. So what are you all doing lately? I hope to
> >>>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am
> >>>>> interested
> >>>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute. I think I could paint and
> >>>>> mix and lay concrete outside. Look forward to your responses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ashley
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >
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> > recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
> > individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
> > help! To Get Involved go to:
> > www.TeachBlindStudents.org
> >
> >
> > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> > before us;
> > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> > past and future generations,
> > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> > done, and
> > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 16:47:46 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:47:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
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forwarded message below:
From: Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org>

Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 11:11 AM








“It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision.  “ - Helen Keller
 
Dear friend,
 
With the Holidays already upon us, perhaps you would like to help me share a little blind faith, vision and good will by helping My Blind Spot advance its mission of equality and accessibility for all. 
 
This year brings many reasons for me to be thankful and for taking this moment to make this request for a pledge from you and anyone whom you think would like to affect a national shift in the perspectives on blindness.  
 
After living life for the past 4 years completely blind, I can tell you wholeheartedly that I consider my new way of seeing life as a gift to be shared and looked at by one and all.  For too many years, we have all turned a blind eye, myself included, to people living with the types of sensory loss which strike fear to the core of our being. I have learned that blindness itself is not my major limitation. The hardest part of being blind is the emotional and physical barriers put there by others.   
 
 
What have we accomplished so far? Well, due in great part to the strength and determination I drew from you all, I was able to be the best I could be in this new and exciting way I view life.   My Blind Spot was incorporated in March and approved as a formal 501c3 this past September.  In  November we received blessings in the form of a grant from the Chatlos Foundation’s President, William Chatlos. His gift is very meaningful because he is a man who happens to be blind and is also redefining blindness and has been doing so since 1970!    Then too, we were given a swanky Manhattan address from members of our board, Jim Brock and Ted Locke, and presently we have 6 committed and dedicated individuals on our board.  We also landed contracts with educational institutions in New York and have
 partnered with others by providing internship opportunities to young blind and sighted adults who are transitioning from school to post secondary endeavors. 
 
Now let me make this simple request:  As you take the time to collect remembrances for your loved ones for the Holiday season,   help us make a social change of global proportions. Simply click on the link below and pledge either $5 or $10 to My Blind Spot.    Your tax-deductable donation will be used to plant the seeds of hope and opportunity and further the legislative, technological and humanitarian efforts for those of us living with blindness.   You can help eradicate the antiquated myths and misperceptions about blindness and visual impairments.
 
Yes, technological advancements and legislative enactments in the last 20 plus years have improved the lives of people living with blindness. But much progress is still needed to create a positive, affirming and inclusive mentality. 
 
This year give the gift of vision and hope to those of us who see things through a different looking glass.  To give, please click on the link below. While you're there, take a moment and stroll through the site to learn more about My Blind Spot and who we are.  If you would be kind enough to share this request with your circle of friends or colleagues, it would be greatly appreciated.
http://www.myblindspot.org/?q=donate 
 
Wishing You and Yours a Happy and Healthy Holiday Season!
 
Albert and Doxology
 
 
Albert J. Rizzi, M.Ed.
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My Blind Spot, Inc.
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From jim at knfbreader.com  Tue Dec 22 21:37:14 2009
From: jim at knfbreader.com (James Gashel)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:37:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] More phones and trial version now supported by KNFB Reader
 Mobile
Message-ID: <auto-000132439649@mailfront2.g2host.com>


From: James Gashel [mailto:jim at knfbreader.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 12:45 PM
To: Reader users list (reader-users at nfbnet.org)
Subject: More phones and trial version now supported

All -- Please see the notice below which announces a new release of 
the Mobile Reader software.  This release is limited to adding 
support for several additional Nokia phones and to allow use of a 
trial license for a 14 day free evaluation period.  This release does 
not include other new features, such as color recognition and glare 
detection, which have been discussed and are still being 
developed.  Please note that installation of the release announced 
below is not considered necessary to replace version 6.1.11 since new 
functionality for the Mobile Reader itself is not being added.

NOTICE OF NEW SUPPORTED PHONES AND TRIAL VERSION NOW AVAILABLE

This notice is being distributed to announce two important 
developments intended to make K-NFB Reading Technology's Mobile 
Reader products more widely available throughout the United States 
and around the world.  These changes have also required a new 
release, version 6.3.1, of the Mobile Reader software now available 
for download at knfbreader.com.

Please note that this release does not contain new features or 
functionality aside from supporting additional phones and allowing 
the software to operate for a time-limited trial period.  Therefore, 
installation of this version is not considered necessary for current users.

NEW SUPPORTED PHONES

The phones now supported with the initial release of version 6.3.1 
are the Nokia E71 (best used with the kReader Mobile), N79, N82, N85, 
N86, N95 8 GB, N95 North American model, and the Nokia 6220 
Classic.  Please note that changes in phone models and availability 
must be expected. However, phones which become unavailable from 
suppliers will continue to be supported for use with the Mobile 
Reader software when changes are made to support newer phones and 
models which become available.  This applies at present to the N82 
and the 6220 Classic.  For more information on each of these devices 
please visit our supported phones web page at
<http://www.knfbreader.com/phone_info.php>http://www.knfbreader.com/phone_info.php

This page includes important information about each supported phone 
as well as links to obtain detailed specifications.  Please check 
back periodically to keep up to date as more phones are added to the 
list.  Checking with various suppliers for availability and price is 
recommended.

TRIAL VERSION

We have been asked to create a means for trying out either the 
kReader Mobile or the knfbReader Mobile before making a purchasing 
decision, which is now possible with version 6.3.1.  The trial is a 
full version of the kReader Mobile or the knfbReader Mobile, 
whichever is chosen, but the activation period is limited to 14 
days.  The procedures used to install and activate the trial version 
are identical to the purchased product, but a special trial license 
must be obtained from an authorized Mobile Reader dealer

http://knfbreader.com/purchase.php

or from K-NFB Reading Technology's technical support service by email 
at: support at knfbreader.com or by phone at: (877) 547-1500.

Best Regards,

James Gashel
Vice President of Business Development
K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc.
Direct phone: (720) 878-4248
Fax: (781) 263-9999
Skype: james.gashel

email: jim at knfbreader.com
http://www.knfbreader.com

From mewhalen at wisc.edu  Wed Dec 23 00:13:52 2009
From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:13:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] More phones and trial version now supported by KNFB
 Reader Mobile
References: <auto-000132439649@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <A5442F6CD1C043D2886F4F759929F0D9@Yoka>

Just curious.  Does anyone know the difference between the KReader and 
KNFBReader?

Confused,
Meghan 



From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 01:55:46 2009
From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:55:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] More phones and trial version now supported by KNFB
	Reader Mobile
In-Reply-To: <A5442F6CD1C043D2886F4F759929F0D9@Yoka>
References: <auto-000132439649@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<A5442F6CD1C043D2886F4F759929F0D9@Yoka>
Message-ID: <D03BE995E70441D19958E94C405C6036@Jessica>

Meghan,
Here's your answers.

KReader
http://www.knfbreader.com/products-kreader-mobile.php

KNFB Reader Mobile
http://www.knfbreader.com/products-mobile.php

I hope that helps you out.
Jessica

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Meghan Whalen" <mewhalen at wisc.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] More phones and trial version now supported by KNFB 
Reader Mobile


> Just curious.  Does anyone know the difference between the KReader and 
> KNFBReader?
>
> Confused,
> Meghan
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec 23 02:38:55 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:38:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <59054.97169.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <59054.97169.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000132544138@mailfront1.g2host.com>

This message is off topic for this list.  It is 
not directly student-related.  Secondly, it is 
inappropriate to use the infrastructure of one 
organization to solicit funds for another 
organization that may well be competing for the same funds.

David Andrews, List Owner

At 10:47 AM 12/22/2009, William ODonnell wrote:
>forwarded message below:
>From: Albert J Rizzi <albert at myblindspot.org>
>
>Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 11:11 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>“It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision.  “ - Helen Keller
>Â
>Dear friend,
>Â
>With the Holidays already upon us, perhaps you 
>would like to help me share a little blind 
>faith, vision and good will by helping My Blind 
>Spot advance its mission of equality and accessibility for all.
>Â
>This year brings many reasons for me to be 
>thankful and for taking this moment to make this 
>request for a pledge from you and anyone whom 
>you think would like to affect a national shift 
>in the perspectives on blindness.Â
>Â
>After living life for the past 4 years 
>completely blind, I can tell you wholeheartedly 
>that I consider my new way of seeing life as a 
>gift to be shared and looked at by one and 
>all.  For too many years, we have all turned a 
>blind eye, myself included, to people living 
>with the types of sensory loss which strike fear 
>to the core of our being. I have learned that 
>blindness itself is not my major limitation. The 
>hardest part of being blind is the emotional and 
>physical barriers put there by others.  Â
>Â
>Â
>What have we accomplished so far? Well, due in 
>great part to the strength and determination I 
>drew from you all, I was able to be the best I 
>could be in this new and exciting way I view 
>life.   My Blind Spot was incorporated in 
>March and approved as a formal 501c3 this past 
>September.  In  November we received blessings 
>in the form of a grant from the Chatlos 
>Foundation’s President, William Chatlos. His 
>gift is very meaningful because he is a man who 
>happens to be blind and is also redefining 
>blindness and has been doing so since 1970!  
>Â  Then too, we were given a swanky Manhattan 
>address from members of our board, Jim Brock and 
>Ted Locke, and presently we have 6 committed and 
>dedicated individuals on our board.  We also 
>landed contracts with educational institutions in New York and have
>  partnered with others by providing internship 
> opportunities to young blind and sighted adults 
> who are transitioning from school to post secondary endeavors.
>Â
>Now let me make this simple request:Â  As you 
>take the time to collect remembrances for your 
>loved ones for the Holiday season,   help us 
>make a social change of global proportions. 
>Simply click on the link below and pledge either 
>$5 or $10 to My Blind Spot.    Your 
>tax-deductable donation will be used to plant 
>the seeds of hope and opportunity and further 
>the legislative, technological and humanitarian 
>efforts for those of us living with blindness. 
>Â  You can help eradicate the antiquated myths 
>and misperceptions about blindness and visual impairments.
>Â
>Yes, technological advancements and legislative 
>enactments in the last 20 plus years have 
>improved the lives of people living with 
>blindness. But much progress is still needed to 
>create a positive, affirming and inclusive mentality.
>Â
>This year give the gift of vision and hope to 
>those of us who see things through a different 
>looking glass.  To give, please click on the 
>link below. While you're there, take a moment 
>and stroll through the site to learn more about 
>My Blind Spot and who we are.  If you would be 
>kind enough to share this request with your 
>circle of friends or colleagues, it would be greatly appreciated.
>http://www.myblindspot.org/?q=donate
>Â
>Wishing You and Yours a Happy and Healthy Holiday Season!
>Â
>Albert and Doxology



From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec 23 02:41:47 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:41:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF's
In-Reply-To: <DAEE2FD24BF04A479CA338704C4BF510@MIRANDA>
References: <DAEE2FD24BF04A479CA338704C4BF510@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <auto-000132544342@mailfront1.g2host.com>

A PDF document is generally a representation of a printed 
document.  There are such things as PDF forms which can be filled out 
in Acrobat Reader.  However, if it is a PDF form, it may not be 
completely accessible.  You may have to get assistance, or print the 
form out on paper and get a sighted person (reader) to fill it out for you.

Dave

At 09:51 PM 12/21/2009, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I need to fill out a job application and it is in PDF format, how do you
>fill out PDF's and what software do you need? You can email me off list if
>you would like since this is probably a repeat. brownbears at mchsi.com
>
>All suggestions welcome. I am not the most technology advanced person.



From brownbears at mchsi.com  Wed Dec 23 20:17:07 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:17:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks
Message-ID: <E0E75C93F9EF4F33BD08B7900E822844@MIRANDA>

 
three of my books this upcoming semester are in PDF format is their any way
to convert them to word? I know you can change them to txt format,  but one
of mine is an accounting book and I feel it would work better in word. 

From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 22:25:29 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:25:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
In-Reply-To: <F122F59F8E1A4875B2CBA99D12106459@SonyPC>
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley>
	<9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41>
	<51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley>
	<F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>
	<409c235c0912211546x43a6d0afq6087442c00d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<7AAC5D822E1C43FC9394308E98516BAB@Ashley>
	<SNT133-w60AB04E135BA6C6FEA52728B810@phx.gbl>
	<F122F59F8E1A4875B2CBA99D12106459@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <423e6e460912231425n60bc9f11ne77ce886bab6ae4d@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,
I have worked at a concessions stand for Habitat before. The money
from the food went directly to the organization and I got to listen to
concerts at the same time. I've also done work in animal shelters
during their adoption days. You basically just handle the dogs and
keep them as well behaved as possible while people come and interact
with them to see whether or not they'd like to adopt them. If you are
interested  in building for habitat then you should contact some of
the industrial arts teachers at the NFB training centers to find out
some alternative techniques that other blind people use.

Best Wishes,
Domonique

On 12/22/09, Mark J. Cadigan <kramc11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I use power tools all the time. The only thing is you just got to figure out
> a system that is safe and works for you. Don’t get discouraged. There is
> always a way.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>
>
>
> Ashley, I remember using the hand sander in shop class at the Louisiana
> Center for the blind. I remember how the wood would be smooth around the
> edges after going over the edges with the hand sander. This is if I remember
> the tools correctly. Is this what the hand sander is used for to keep the
> edges of the wood smooth? I remember cutting wood. that you had to be
> careful the piece would not come back and hit you in the face. You had to
> make the piece of wood was secure before you started cutting the wood. This
> is what I remember learning in shop class at the Louisiana Center for the
> blind. Any one else who took shop class at the louisiana center for the
> blind would have different experiences
>
>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:32:05 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>
>> Hi Darian,
>>
>> There is a need to reach out in our own country and overseas. Financially
>> its easier to start in the US.
>>
>> That's great you were part of a construction project. How many did you
>> work
>> with? You say you did some painting. What did you paint? Do you have any
>> vision? I think that would be helpful to keep track of what you're
>> painting.
>>
>> Alabama and Texas are quite different places. Was this part of a mission
>> or
>> what sort of purpose was it for?
>> What did you use the hand sander for? I've heard of it but know little
>> about it. Did you find yourself doing things differently than your sighted
>> workers? I would think not; you'd just have to feel a little more and
>> listen. Any of you cut wood for construction?
>>
>> This is interesting.
>>
>> Merry Christmas.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 6:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>>
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> > Robert: I think what you've done is nothing small, there are many
>> > people who might not flinch at the prospect of going overseas as
>> > they may not find the need there ( people don't see the need in this
>> > country, in their citys or around them. Of course site has nothing to
>> > do with it, people just don't take the time to make themselves aware
>> > of what is lacking in our situations/other situations and realize
>> > that they are more empowered to do than they even think they are
>> > themselves.
>> >
>> > Ashley: habitat builds are things I would love to do. I served in
>> > the national civilian community corps (An AmeriCorps program) and
>> > did some environmental work in colorado; building trails and clearing
>> > wood (halling slash). I also did construction work as a part of a
>> > project in south Texas and was a part of a constructional
>> > restoration project in central Alabama. In both alabama and texas, I
>> > used your Standardhammer and nail gun. I also used a hand sander and
>> > painted. Using powertools or even simple hand tools arn't very
>> > difficult; you just have to get the hang of it. My understanding of
>> > habitat builds are that they do train people before they do take on
>> > the job so if you don't know, it's okay because you arn't the only
>> > person knowing.
>> > Best,
>> > Darian
>> >
>> > On 12/21/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> Hello Ashley:
>> >>
>> >> About all I was able to do in Dominica was to deliver a brailler to
>> >> a
>> >> deaf-blind girl, send a few books and eventually arrange for three
>> >> people
>> >> to
>> >> come to the 1999 NFB convention. I regret that I was unable to do more.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am totally blind and have been so from birth. About all I did for
>> >> roofing our house, was to help carry up the eighty pound bundles of
>> >> shingles. As for tool use, my Father showed me how to use tools. When
>> >> hammering, I hold the nail betwene thumb and finger and hit the head
>> >> with
>> >> the hammer. Once the nail is started, it is possible with practice to
>> >> keep
>> >> hitting it. You could also use a pair of pliers to hold the nail. The
>> >> sound
>> >> of a nail being hammered changes as it goes into the wood. I have not
>> >> worked
>> >> with concrete or bricks. I am not sure its a good idea to get concrete
>> >> on
>> >> hands for an extended period of time. As a blind person, I do want to
>> >> be
>> >> careful of my hands and not get calluses especially on my fingers. This
>> >> would make reading braille awkward.
>> >>
>> >> Merry Christmas,
>> >>
>> >> Robert
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 2:08 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Robert,
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks for sharing your experience. I figured this was doable; after
>> >>> all
>> >>> it seems a pretty tactual thing.
>> >>>
>> >>> What did you do to help the blind population in
>> >>> Dominica? That is a poor island so I imagine much needed to be done
>> >>> including getting them supplies.
>> >>>
>> >>> That is impressive you assisted your father and helped on a church
>> >>> trip.
>> >>> Have you always been blind? I have some central vision, but would do
>> >>> this
>> >>>
>> >>> sort of thing nonvisually because its safer.
>> >>>
>> >>> For the roofing did you do anything differently other than use your
>> >>> sense
>> >>> of touch? Have you mixed and laid concrete or bricks?
>> >>>
>> >>> How did you learn this stuff? Did someone show you? How do you hammer?
>> >>> You can touch the nail but cannot do so while you are hammering. Maybe
>> >>> you check your progress with your free hand after hammering a little
>> >>> bit.
>> >>> I am in VA and Baltimore is near me; maybe I'll contact that chapter
>> >>> for
>> >>> tips if I have the opportunity to do a mission or Habitat house.
>> >>>
>> >>> BTW I am also a United Methodist. What a coinsidence. My home church
>> >>> sends a mission team each summer to help repair buildings on the
>> >>> Lokota
>> >>> Indian reservation. I am not into going overseas, at least not now.
>> >>> There is enough to keep me busy in America.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ashley
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 11:01 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hello Ashley:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have done some volunteer and missions work. I am currently the
>> >>>> Missions chairman for Faith United Methodist Church in West Monroe,
>> >>>> Louisiana. One Saturday each month, I help distribute food as part of
>> >>>> our
>> >>>>
>> >>>> work with Angel Food Ministries. As the Missions Chairman, I also
>> >>>> deal
>> >>>> with a small budget and hold periodic meetings.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When I lived in Oregon, I went with a church group to help
>> >>>> winterize
>> >>>> a house. I am familiar with the use of hand tools and I installed
>> >>>> screw
>> >>>> on weather stripping which included a bottom door gasket. We also
>> >>>> installed plastic sheeting on the inside of the windows and I got the
>> >>>> difficult window that had an airconditioner in it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In 1996, I went by myself on a short trip to the Commonwealth of
>> >>>> Dominica to investigate the needs of the blind living on that island.
>> >>>> It
>> >>>> was quite an experience and I was able to provide a little help.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If I recall correctly, members of the Greater Baltimore chapter of
>> >>>> the NFB helped install vinyl siding on a Habitat for Humanity house.
>> >>>> The
>> >>>> report I heard was that they did a very good job.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My thoughts on this sort of work are that doing some planning is a
>> >>>> good thing. Learn how to use hand tools. We can certainly hammer
>> >>>> nails,
>> >>>> drive screws, cut boards etc. I have installed a garbage disposal,
>> >>>> kitchen sink faucets, a new bathroom sink and cabinet including all
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> plumbing. When I was twelve, I laid the decking for an eight by
>> >>>> twenty-one foot deck. I have helped my Father roof a house and also
>> >>>> helped with other maintenance. In case you wonder, I am totally
>> >>>> blind.
>> >>>> If
>> >>>>
>> >>>> you want to go overseas, I suggest trying a domestic opportunity
>> >>>> first.
>> >>>> Go with an organization that has a good track record and experienced
>> >>>> leadership. Study about where you want to go, learn about the
>> >>>> culture,
>> >>>> the food eaten etc. Of course learning a foreign language is also
>> >>>> helpful. Hope this helps.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Merry Christmas,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Robert Jaquiss
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:01 PM
>> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This list is sure quiet. I was thinking this is the time of giving
>> >>>>> around the holidays. Have you participated in an outreach project?
>> >>>>> Anyone done Habitat for Humanity and if so what did you do and what
>> >>>>> alternative techniques did you use? Can we hammer and drill safely?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> For those of you who are religious, have you been on mission trips?
>> >>>>> I
>> >>>>> would like to do that someday. So far I have been to a shelter to
>> >>>>> serve
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> lunch with my church. I have volunteered for the talking book
>> >>>>> library
>> >>>>> and political campaigns. So what are you all doing lately? I hope to
>> >>>>> hear someone has done Habitat because that is something I am
>> >>>>> interested
>> >>>>> in but I don't know how I can contribute. I think I could paint and
>> >>>>> mix and lay concrete outside. Look forward to your responses.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Ashley
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
>> > recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
>> > individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
>> > help! To Get Involved go to:
>> > www.TeachBlindStudents.org
>> >
>> >
>> > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>> > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>> > before us;
>> > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>> > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>> > past and future generations,
>> > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>> > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>> > done, and
>> > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>> >
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 23 23:03:41 2009
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:03:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley><9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41><51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley><F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41><409c235c0912211546x43a6d0afq6087442c00d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com><7AAC5D822E1C43FC9394308E98516BAB@Ashley><SNT133-w60AB04E135BA6C6FEA52728B810@phx.gbl><F122F59F8E1A4875B2CBA99D12106459@SonyPC>
	<423e6e460912231425n60bc9f11ne77ce886bab6ae4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A89AE3139AF0420493ACD4B1B72C1680@D3DTZP41>

Hello:

     I recently was involved in another service project. Our church raised 
some funds to provide gifts to two families. Last night, I joined a few 
friends and we wrapped the gifts. I can wrap a package and make a fine job 
of it. Odd shaped packages are a challenge, but they are a challenge for 
anyone.

Merry Christmas,

Robert Jaquiss, President
Greater Ouachita Chapter
National Federation of the Blind
Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net 



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 01:11:56 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:11:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] volunteering and missions
In-Reply-To: <A89AE3139AF0420493ACD4B1B72C1680@D3DTZP41>
References: <0F7DBCC8120D48858E442B7D605968F4@Ashley>
	<9C8BC4E669D44CF3A5CDD2B11F8B6B11@D3DTZP41>
	<51605AC1962146ADAE516AA3643624AD@Ashley>
	<F16631E9BB8D42B99944776ABE5A8EB6@D3DTZP41>
	<409c235c0912211546x43a6d0afq6087442c00d8dd8e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<SNT133-w60AB04E135BA6C6FEA52728B810@phx.gbl>
	<F122F59F8E1A4875B2CBA99D12106459@SonyPC>
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	<A89AE3139AF0420493ACD4B1B72C1680@D3DTZP41>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912231711r262550fejc2a85f32e32db03f@mail.gmail.com>

wrapping presents is always a fun challange.  it always seemed like to
me that   it just took a little creativity and  you  would be fine.
That's the case with  sighted folks as well, I imagine.
  As for  tools and such, I remember  visiting with one of the
industrial arts instructors at the colorado center for the blind;
getting  some hands on time was something  that I was lucky enough to
be able to do there.  However, I was very fortunate to have been
stationed 15 minutes from the center while I was in training.    I
personally am not sure if  I would have gotten the same information
about alternitive  techniques and their application to tool usage had
I not been there in person, but  then again, I am  the type of person
that learns better  in a hands on situation.
  Still,  there is no harm ask as you  have  here.
  Best,
  Darian

On 12/23/09, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hello:
>
>      I recently was involved in another service project. Our church raised
> some funds to provide gifts to two families. Last night, I joined a few
> friends and we wrapped the gifts. I can wrap a package and make a fine job
> of it. Odd shaped packages are a challenge, but they are a challenge for
> anyone.
>
> Merry Christmas,
>
> Robert Jaquiss, President
> Greater Ouachita Chapter
> National Federation of the Blind
> Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net
>
>
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The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Dec 24 02:32:29 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 20:32:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <E0E75C93F9EF4F33BD08B7900E822844@MIRANDA>
References: <E0E75C93F9EF4F33BD08B7900E822844@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <auto-000132599880@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Think what you are asking is how can I retain more formatting.  You 
can import txt into Word, but it will only have line breaks and 
spaces as formatting.

I don't really know of a way, you can try cutting the text from pdf 
to your clip board, then dropping into word, and seeing if that is 
any better -- but probably not.

Dave

At 02:17 PM 12/23/2009, you wrote:
>
>three of my books this upcoming semester are in PDF format is their any way
>to convert them to word? I know you can change them to txt format,  but one
>of mine is an accounting book and I feel it would work better in word.



From brownbears at mchsi.com  Thu Dec 24 03:14:23 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:14:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <auto-000132599880@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <E0E75C93F9EF4F33BD08B7900E822844@MIRANDA>
	<auto-000132599880@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <9C9670ECC90249D3AA11C227B873E485@MIRANDA>

Yes,  thanks. 
Also how do you navigate PDF documents. I can alt tab to the toolbar and
then arrow over to get to the next page, but isn't their a shorter way. Page
down does not work. Or any other tricks?


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks

Think what you are asking is how can I retain more formatting.  You can
import txt into Word, but it will only have line breaks and spaces as
formatting.

I don't really know of a way, you can try cutting the text from pdf to your
clip board, then dropping into word, and seeing if that is any better -- but
probably not.

Dave

At 02:17 PM 12/23/2009, you wrote:
>
>three of my books this upcoming semester are in PDF format is their any 
>way to convert them to word? I know you can change them to txt format,  
>but one of mine is an accounting book and I feel it would work better in
word.


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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 04:03:14 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:03:14 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <9C9670ECC90249D3AA11C227B873E485@MIRANDA>
References: <E0E75C93F9EF4F33BD08B7900E822844@MIRANDA>
	<auto-000132599880@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<9C9670ECC90249D3AA11C227B873E485@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <85ff10070912232003o1f01c6ddsf7e7c44e71d2c867@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Miranda,

This trick doesn't preserve formatting, but if you want to navigate a
PDF quickly, get a Gmail account (it's free) and email the PDF as an
attachment to your Gmail account. You can then view the PDF attachment
as html, which will make searching for keywords in the html version
much faster. You can also use a program such as Kurzweil to convert
the file to text and then copy/paste into Word.

Arielle

On 12/24/09, Miranda brown <brownbears at mchsi.com> wrote:
> Yes,  thanks.
> Also how do you navigate PDF documents. I can alt tab to the toolbar and
> then arrow over to get to the next page, but isn't their a shorter way. Page
> down does not work. Or any other tricks?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Textbooks
>
> Think what you are asking is how can I retain more formatting.  You can
> import txt into Word, but it will only have line breaks and spaces as
> formatting.
>
> I don't really know of a way, you can try cutting the text from pdf to your
> clip board, then dropping into word, and seeing if that is any better -- but
> probably not.
>
> Dave
>
> At 02:17 PM 12/23/2009, you wrote:
>>
>>three of my books this upcoming semester are in PDF format is their any
>>way to convert them to word? I know you can change them to txt format,
>>but one of mine is an accounting book and I feel it would work better in
> word.
>
>
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Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From graduate56 at juno.com  Thu Dec 24 05:10:38 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:10:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS
References: <SNT129-W339423B85462FAAFADADCDBA820@phx.gbl>
	<4b3005af.9453f10a.5e00.ffffa564@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3D674EED7D3E4E6D9D5B9AD87B263188@melissa>

I didn't have any problems with Ets either.
I had more of a problem with the school deciding who and where the gre 
should be given to me.

Sincerely,
Melissa Green
Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's because 
of Christ I am able to stand!!!
Live journal topaz5674
Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
twitter: melissa5674
msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
Skype: lissa5674

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with ETS


HI,

I had no problem registering for and receiving GRE accommodations. I will
take the test in January. I didn't think any of the Kaplan courses were
accessible. I'm sorry I can't be of more help.

Liz

email:
liz.bottner at gmail.com
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 24 18:36:27 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:36:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <3A533F717FD946EDA4C64FB8A2672EC2@Ashley>

Hi All,

I'm sure everyone is home enjoying the break before spring semester.  I am graduated school but I remember the joy of finals being over and going home to celebrate.  

I hope this holiday brings everyone joy with friends and family.  Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it.

Ashley

From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 19:36:13 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:36:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <3A533F717FD946EDA4C64FB8A2672EC2@Ashley>
References: <3A533F717FD946EDA4C64FB8A2672EC2@Ashley>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0912241136o157b8f55pe084e0ea3753c700@mail.gmail.com>

Same toyou, Ashley.  Haven't heard from you in a while, so Merry Christmas.
Beth

On 12/24/09, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I'm sure everyone is home enjoying the break before spring semester.  I am
> graduated school but I remember the joy of finals being over and going home
> to celebrate.
>
> I hope this holiday brings everyone joy with friends and family.  Merry
> Christmas to those who celebrate it.
>
> Ashley
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Dec 24 20:30:33 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:30:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas
References: <3A533F717FD946EDA4C64FB8A2672EC2@Ashley>
Message-ID: <003f01ca84d7$f1b3adc0$0201a8c0@Serene>

You, too, everybody!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:36 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas


> Hi All,
>
> I'm sure everyone is home enjoying the break before spring semester.  I am 
> graduated school but I remember the joy of finals being over and going 
> home to celebrate.
>
> I hope this holiday brings everyone joy with friends and family.  Merry 
> Christmas to those who celebrate it.
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 21:44:51 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:44:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas
References: <3A533F717FD946EDA4C64FB8A2672EC2@Ashley>
	<003f01ca84d7$f1b3adc0$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <2920DB21CA5C401094057C42060036FA@radio360usa>

Merry Christmas to everybody!
And remember...
If you're going to drink this holiday season, drink plenty so you can't find 
your car. Don't drink and drive!
LOL. A funny way to give sound advice, anyway have a happy holiday!
All the best,
David Dunphy 


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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec 25 02:04:33 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:04:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <2920DB21CA5C401094057C42060036FA@radio360usa>
References: <3A533F717FD946EDA4C64FB8A2672EC2@Ashley>
	<003f01ca84d7$f1b3adc0$0201a8c0@Serene>
	<2920DB21CA5C401094057C42060036FA@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <409c235c0912241804o497e9061he9bc37b5ffc0dc34@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,
 Please; if you are going to drink, at least use your cane! lol I
mean, would you want to subject your dog  to your impaired
navigational abilities? haha.
  All my best holiday wishes to you and yours, whatever you celebrate
and whoever you celebrate it with.
      take care!
  Darian



On 12/24/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
> Merry Christmas to everybody!
> And remember...
> If you're going to drink this holiday season, drink plenty so you can't find
> your car. Don't drink and drive!
> LOL. A funny way to give sound advice, anyway have a happy holiday!
> All the best,
> David Dunphy
>
>
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-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Dec 25 22:11:07 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:11:07 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nabs-presidents] Washington Seminar rooms
In-Reply-To: <6477CDA8C3A9419FA0948D05A636676B@Yoka>
References: <85ff10070912211721u61c9b8aej89a1ea76b6fcd37e@mail.gmail.com>
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	<56be97960912221355v483a022em8484d5b2c69096cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<24443_1261519164_ZZg0N2571_bdy.00_E8549D9FBA0B48D482B37FF6F7E1671F@Yoka>
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	<6477CDA8C3A9419FA0948D05A636676B@Yoka>
Message-ID: <85ff10070912251411r48163ddbocc2e21703587caf9@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Meghan Whalen <mewhalen at wisc.edu>
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:50:46 -0600
Subject: [Nabs-presidents] Washington Seminar rooms
To: List for NABS State Presidents <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>

Are there any guys who need a room for any time during Washington Seminar?
The wisconsin Association of Blind Students will have a couple extra places
most nights, and we're staying from the 29th through the following Friday.
Get in touch with me,
mewhalen at wisc.edu
if you might be interested, or if you know of someone.

Thanks,
Meghan


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Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
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From jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com  Fri Dec 25 22:30:45 2009
From: jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com (Jessica Kostiw)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:30:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
References: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>
	<4b0cad49.1502be0a.398a.09a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0497FC5369F24AD4AAF9A30F58D61CBF@Jessica>

Hello everyone!
Merry Christmas to all!  I sincerely hope everyone is enjoying the holiday!

I have an IPOD question.  This may have been asked before... and I am 
sorry... I have been slow on purchasing an IPOD.  What was wrong with CD 
players?  Lol!  Anyway, I got a Nano for Christmas!  I love it!  I have 
heard that to set up the speech on it you go on line.  Is this true?  I am 
an old lady... help!  :)  Any IPOD elves out there willing to assist in 
giving directions?

Jessica K.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] motorola Q


> Hey man can you e-mail me off list I have some questions for you about 
> your
> job.
> Alberto
> Alberto.2500 at gmail.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kevin Wassmer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
>
> Hello folks. I now work at Verizon Wireless doing
> Customer service. They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone
> know where to get a manual so I can run it with Talx? At this point I am
> clueless as to what to do. I am glad I got the phone though.
> _______________________________________________
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From jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com  Fri Dec 25 22:31:40 2009
From: jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com (Jessica Kostiw)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 16:31:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] IPOD Help!
References: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>
	<4b0cad49.1502be0a.398a.09a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C259B8F6144B442EAA6470CBC26BEF53@Jessica>

Crap... forgot to change the subject to that last E-mail.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] motorola Q


> Hey man can you e-mail me off list I have some questions for you about 
> your
> job.
> Alberto
> Alberto.2500 at gmail.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kevin Wassmer
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:31 PM
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
>
> Hello folks. I now work at Verizon Wireless doing
> Customer service. They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone
> know where to get a manual so I can run it with Talx? At this point I am
> clueless as to what to do. I am glad I got the phone though.
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 26 01:50:05 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:50:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
References: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6><4b0cad49.1502be0a.398a.09a1@mx.google.com>
	<0497FC5369F24AD4AAF9A30F58D61CBF@Jessica>
Message-ID: <59C6C00CCCB841819A81CCD597B2691A@Ashley>

Hi Jessica,
Can you tell us about the Nano?  I know it holds more
music and will talk to you.  I got an Ipod shuffle last year for Christmas 
and like it.  The disadvantage is you cannot skip to different songs.  But 
its fully accessible since there is no screen.
I got mostly clothes for Christmas wich is fine with me so I can use them 
rather than having extra junk around.
Merry Christmas!

Enjoy it.
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] motorola Q


> Hello everyone!
> Merry Christmas to all!  I sincerely hope everyone is enjoying the 
> holiday!
>
> I have an IPOD question.  This may have been asked before... and I am 
> sorry... I have been slow on purchasing an IPOD.  What was wrong with CD 
> players?  Lol!  Anyway, I got a Nano for Christmas!  I love it!  I have 
> heard that to set up the speech on it you go on line.  Is this true?  I am 
> an old lady... help!  :)  Any IPOD elves out there willing to assist in 
> giving directions?
>
> Jessica K.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] motorola Q
>
>
>> Hey man can you e-mail me off list I have some questions for you about 
>> your
>> job.
>> Alberto
>> Alberto.2500 at gmail.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Kevin Wassmer
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:31 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
>>
>> Hello folks. I now work at Verizon Wireless doing
>> Customer service. They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone
>> know where to get a manual so I can run it with Talx? At this point I am
>> clueless as to what to do. I am glad I got the phone though.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>> .com
>>
>>
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From seihsif at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 26 02:22:02 2009
From: seihsif at hotmail.com (Mandi Marks)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:22:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to
	AT&T?
Message-ID: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>


Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment. Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes almost daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon also requires him to pay an
extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable
of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's processor that the
internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running. 

He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, and text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade for their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but I'm not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone know anything about this?

Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

 		 	   		  

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 02:23:51 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:23:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <409c235c0912251823q3acb3467m48115f1da428861c@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 02:31:26 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:31:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Best Holiday Wishes
Message-ID: <409c235c0912251831sf436452xaeaf3c7c33b1e8e5@mail.gmail.com>

(appoligies for the blank,  hit the wrong button:) )


 I Just wanted to Wish all of you  The Best  of holiday Wishes.  I
hope that you and your loved  ones enjoy a peaceful happy and healthy
holiday season.   May you reflect  on your troubles and triumphs,
loves and losses,  sweets and sours and know  that through it all
you've grown wiser and stronger for it all.
  I truly hope this year has prought you great joy and growth and that
the next brings even  more  of the same.
  Best wishes as we exit this decade and look twardsa new one,
  Darian Smith



-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 04:12:58 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:12:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch
	toAT&T?
In-Reply-To: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A06BB2A0CF3A4B2B8B201084B485EDEF@SonyPC>

I have a Motorola Q V9h with mobile speak. I love it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mandi Marks" <seihsif at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch 
toAT&T?


>
> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC 
> Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment. 
> Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems 
> completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes 
> almost daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. 
> Verizon also requires him to pay an
> extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and the 
> program isn't capable
> of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software uses 
> so much of the phone's processor that the
> internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have yet 
> to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on this phone 
> because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running.
>
> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a 
> hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the 
> accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know 
> who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, 
> and text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text 
> messages but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering 
> switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So 
> I'm really just looking for input from other blind cell phone users who 
> have Verizon. Or even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think 
> of it. Also, I heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android 
> software upgrade for their Droid phones which could provide free 
> text-to-speech software, but I'm not able to find much information about 
> it on the internet. Does anyone know anything about this?
>
> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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From minesm at me.com  Sat Dec 26 04:44:35 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:44:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch
	to	AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7503A3B8-AF97-4C1D-99B1-F08112238458@me.com>

hi if your boyfrend changes to moblespeak it will work just grate. maurice ham call kd0iko.
On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Mandi Marks wrote:

> 
> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment. Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes almost daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon also requires him to pay an
> extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable
> of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's processor that the
> internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running. 
> 
> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, and text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade for their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but I'm not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone know anything about this?
> 
> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
> 
> 		 	   		  
> _______________________________________________
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From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Sat Dec 26 12:37:54 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:37:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch
	to	AT&T?
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8D6A1F511E5B4A9AA6381681A5496CEB@useripvq7z5u3t>


        Try the LG eNV Touch, has all the features he wants w/o the need for 
a data plan.  Nice QWERTY keyboard for texting.

Patrick
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mandi Marks" <seihsif at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to 
AT&T?


>
> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC 
> Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment. 
> Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems 
> completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes 
> almost daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. 
> Verizon also requires him to pay an
> extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and the 
> program isn't capable
> of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software uses 
> so much of the phone's processor that the
> internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have yet 
> to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on this phone 
> because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running.
>
> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a 
> hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the 
> accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know 
> who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, 
> and text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text 
> messages but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering 
> switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So 
> I'm really just looking for input from other blind cell phone users who 
> have Verizon. Or even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think 
> of it. Also, I heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android 
> software upgrade for their Droid phones which could provide free 
> text-to-speech software, but I'm not able to find much information about 
> it on the internet. Does anyone know anything about this?
>
> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 26 13:44:03 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:44:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
References: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6><4b0cad49.1502be0a.398a.09a1@mx.google.com>
	<0497FC5369F24AD4AAF9A30F58D61CBF@Jessica>
Message-ID: <FC07F8C7A8114633BA32B1D68DB1E557@yourdd0a3c7a34>

Good morning Jessica,
Please feel free to give me a call at the number below and I'll do my best 
to assist you with getting your new iPod Nano up and running.


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 347-422-7085
Email:
dwrigh6 at gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Kostiw" <jessicac.kostiw at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] motorola Q


> Hello everyone!
> Merry Christmas to all!  I sincerely hope everyone is enjoying the 
> holiday!
>
> I have an IPOD question.  This may have been asked before... and I am 
> sorry... I have been slow on purchasing an IPOD.  What was wrong with CD 
> players?  Lol!  Anyway, I got a Nano for Christmas!  I love it!  I have 
> heard that to set up the speech on it you go on line.  Is this true?  I am 
> an old lady... help!  :)  Any IPOD elves out there willing to assist in 
> giving directions?
>
> Jessica K.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] motorola Q
>
>
>> Hey man can you e-mail me off list I have some questions for you about 
>> your
>> job.
>> Alberto
>> Alberto.2500 at gmail.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Kevin Wassmer
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:31 PM
>> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
>>
>> Hello folks. I now work at Verizon Wireless doing
>> Customer service. They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone
>> know where to get a manual so I can run it with Talx? At this point I am
>> clueless as to what to do. I am glad I got the phone though.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>> .com
>>
>>
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 27 02:50:38 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 19:50:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch
	to	AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
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He might be interested in trying the EnV 3, or putting Mobile Speak smart on
his ozone.  He has 30 days to try Mobile speak.  30 days is the trial period
that Code factory offers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mandi Marks
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:22 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to
AT&T?


Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC
Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment.
Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems
completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes almost
daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon
also requires him to pay an
extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and the
program isn't capable
of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software uses
so much of the phone's processor that the
internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have yet to
be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on this phone because we
simply can't get them to work with TALKS running. 

He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a
hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the
accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know
who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, and
text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages
but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to
AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just
looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or
even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I
heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade for
their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but I'm
not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone know
anything about this?

Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

 		 	   		  
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sun Dec 27 04:13:36 2009
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:13:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
	switch	to	AT&T?
Message-ID: <auto-000132908299@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I would agree.  You can try Mobile Speak for thirty days, but TALKS should be disabled first.  I have heard it said that 
TALKS is more stable than Mobile Speak under the Simbian operating system, but it seems that Mobile Speak has 
more experience under Windows Mobile so it is worth a try.  I am using it on a Sprint HTC SNAP, and while my 
experience is not without frustration, it isn't bad.  In general, there is a lot to learn about these phones, though, and many 
of my frustrations came from things I was doing wrong.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:44:35 -0800, Maurice Mines wrote:

>hi if your boyfrend changes to moblespeak it will work just grate. maurice ham call kd0iko.
>On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Mandi Marks wrote:

>> 
>> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out 
to be an utter disappointment. Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems completely 
incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes almost daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys 
too quickly. Verizon also requires him to pay an
>> extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable
>> of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's processor that 
the
>> internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of 
the apps on this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running. 
>> 
>> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a hard time finding another phone with Verizon 
that will give him the accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know who's calling, manage his 
contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, and text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text 
messages but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone but 
that is a last  resort. So I'm really just looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or even if you 
own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android 
software upgrade for their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but I'm not able to find much 
information about it on the internet. Does anyone know anything about this?
>> 
>> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 		 	   		  
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From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 27 06:45:01 2009
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:45:01 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
	switchto	AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
	<4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL107-DS22765050240EBBCF0D158EB57C0@phx.gbl>

I know from my friend that mobile speak works lots better on the ozone phone
from Verizon 
From
Jacob Struiksma
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Alberto Arreola
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:51 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
switchto AT&T?

He might be interested in trying the EnV 3, or putting Mobile Speak smart on
his ozone.  He has 30 days to try Mobile speak.  30 days is the trial period
that Code factory offers.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mandi Marks
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:22 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to
AT&T?


Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC
Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment.
Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems
completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes almost
daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon
also requires him to pay an extra $30 a month for the data package (since
it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable of running anything that
the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's
processor that the internet times out before it can even get a web page
loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on
this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running. 

He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a
hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the
accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know
who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, and
text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages
but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to
AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just
looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or
even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I
heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade for
their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but I'm
not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone know
anything about this?

Your feedback is greatly appreciated.

 		 	   		  
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From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 27 06:49:03 2009
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:49:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should
	weswitch	to	AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000132908299@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000132908299@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <COL107-DS13A0F878E05B9584CA1E8AB57C0@phx.gbl>

Well mobile speak 4 will be much better and has been running on windows
mobile longer then talks has been.  The talks that Verizon puts on the ozone
phone has been changed in ways so it could maybe work on windows mobile.
Verizon should and be using mobile speak and have contract with code factory
so Verizon customers can get a break on mobile speak.
From
Jacob Struiksma

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Jacobson
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 8:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should weswitch
to AT&T?

I would agree.  You can try Mobile Speak for thirty days, but TALKS should
be disabled first.  I have heard it said that TALKS is more stable than
Mobile Speak under the Simbian operating system, but it seems that Mobile
Speak has more experience under Windows Mobile so it is worth a try.  I am
using it on a Sprint HTC SNAP, and while my experience is not without
frustration, it isn't bad.  In general, there is a lot to learn about these
phones, though, and many of my frustrations came from things I was doing
wrong.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:44:35 -0800, Maurice Mines wrote:

>hi if your boyfrend changes to moblespeak it will work just grate. maurice
ham call kd0iko.
>On Dec 25, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Mandi Marks wrote:

>> 
>> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the 
>> HTC Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out
to be an utter disappointment. Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good
phone in itself, it seems completely incapable of handling the Talks
program. The phone crashes almost daily and frequently freezes up if you tap
the keys too quickly. Verizon also requires him to pay an
>> extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), 
>> and the program isn't capable of running anything that the data 
>> package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's 
>> processor that
the
>> internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have 
>> yet to be able to try out the internet or any of
the apps on this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS
running. 
>> 
>> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are 
>> having a hard time finding another phone with Verizon
that will give him the accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is
to be able to know who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds
and ringtones, and text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and
read text messages but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat
considering switching to AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last
resort. So I'm really just looking for input from other blind cell phone
users who have Verizon. Or even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what
you think of it. Also, I heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an
Android software upgrade for their Droid phones which could provide free
text-to-speech software, but I'm not able to find much information about it
on the internet. Does anyone know anything about this?
>> 
>> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 		 	   		  
>> _______________________________________________
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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 00:55:03 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:55:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
	switchto AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <COL107-DS22765050240EBBCF0D158EB57C0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
	<4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>
	<COL107-DS22765050240EBBCF0D158EB57C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <423e6e460912271655y699a0e51le81c02e0f39d8e2e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

There is actually a built in screen reader on the motorola droid. I
haven't had a chance to work with it a lot but from the little bit
that I've played with it it has seemed to work decently. It might be
worth checking out. It is about $40 more than the Ozone but it might
be a possibility. Also, remember that if your boyfriend has had the
phone for under 30 days he can return it for his money back or
possibly swap it out for the droid for $40 more.

I hope this Helps,
Domonique

On 12/27/09, Jacob Struiksma <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I know from my friend that mobile speak works lots better on the ozone phone
> from Verizon
> From
> Jacob Struiksma
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Alberto Arreola
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:51 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
> switchto AT&T?
>
> He might be interested in trying the EnV 3, or putting Mobile Speak smart on
> his ozone.  He has 30 days to try Mobile speak.  30 days is the trial period
> that Code factory offers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mandi Marks
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to
> AT&T?
>
>
> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC
> Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment.
> Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems
> completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes almost
> daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon
> also requires him to pay an extra $30 a month for the data package (since
> it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable of running anything that
> the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's
> processor that the internet times out before it can even get a web page
> loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on
> this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running.
>
> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a
> hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the
> accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know
> who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, and
> text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages
> but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to
> AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just
> looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or
> even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I
> heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade for
> their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but I'm
> not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone know
> anything about this?
>
> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
>  		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 01:14:09 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:14:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] HP docking station for sale
Message-ID: <423e6e460912271714h1f25c8ackac32faf7505d42f1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Listers,

Please pass this along to other lists or to people who might be interested.

I am selling an HP xb3000 Notebook Expansion Base - Docking station
which comes with an AC adaptor, Wireless Keyboard, and wireless mouse.
The docking station itself has good quality internal speakers however,
by using the headphone jack you can add any type of external speakers.
This docking station has a myriad of ports and plug in slots. Its
condition is very good/like new. The only reason I am selling it is
because I don’t have the room for it any more.  I am selling it for
$120 or your best offer. Please e-mail me at dlawless86 at gmail.com if
you are interested.

Best Wishes,
Domonique Lawless
Dlawless86 at gmail.com


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 01:27:19 2009
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 20:27:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
	switchto AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <423e6e460912271655y699a0e51le81c02e0f39d8e2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>
	<4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>
	<COL107-DS22765050240EBBCF0D158EB57C0@phx.gbl>
	<423e6e460912271655y699a0e51le81c02e0f39d8e2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fba03a170912271727p46ce3862hbe812f269c4499e7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am an At&t user. At&t has a list of about four or five phones for
which you can get mobile speak for only 90 dollars. But if you don't
mind paying the full mobile speak price, there are very good phones
that at&t carries that work well because their processor memory
doesn't get so easily overloaded.  I use the nokia e71x, which works
really well. I know someone with the Iphone and it works really well
for her, but it's hard to text without looking. However, if he really
wants to try it's definitely a possibility and not impossible, it will
on'y take a little bit of practice.
Hope this helps.
Mary

On 12/27/09, Domonique Lawless <dlawless86 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> There is actually a built in screen reader on the motorola droid. I
> haven't had a chance to work with it a lot but from the little bit
> that I've played with it it has seemed to work decently. It might be
> worth checking out. It is about $40 more than the Ozone but it might
> be a possibility. Also, remember that if your boyfriend has had the
> phone for under 30 days he can return it for his money back or
> possibly swap it out for the droid for $40 more.
>
> I hope this Helps,
> Domonique
>
> On 12/27/09, Jacob Struiksma <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I know from my friend that mobile speak works lots better on the ozone
>> phone
>> from Verizon
>> From
>> Jacob Struiksma
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Alberto Arreola
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:51 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
>> switchto AT&T?
>>
>> He might be interested in trying the EnV 3, or putting Mobile Speak smart
>> on
>> his ozone.  He has 30 days to try Mobile speak.  30 days is the trial
>> period
>> that Code factory offers.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Mandi Marks
>> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:22 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to
>> AT&T?
>>
>>
>> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC
>> Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment.
>> Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems
>> completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes
>> almost
>> daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon
>> also requires him to pay an extra $30 a month for the data package (since
>> it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable of running anything
>> that
>> the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's
>> processor that the internet times out before it can even get a web page
>> loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps
>> on
>> this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running.
>>
>> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a
>> hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the
>> accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know
>> who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones,
>> and
>> text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages
>> but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to
>> AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just
>> looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or
>> even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I
>> heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade
>> for
>> their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but
>> I'm
>> not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone
>> know
>> anything about this?
>>
>> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>  		 	   		
>> _______________________________________________
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 02:42:33 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:42:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Moto Q9M for Sale
Message-ID: <4EB98AA4E2D84A9CBD1AFBA83399FDCE@Rufus>

Hello,

With all this talk of Verizon phones I would like to let you guys know I am
shortly going to be selling my Moto Q9M.  It is a Windows Mobile smart phone
in excellent condition.  Motorola has always produced outstanding hardware.
In fact, the only reason I am letting it go is because of my switch to
Sprint.  They have a better data plan, but if you're a huge Verizon fan like
I have been, you will enjoy this device.  The phone comes with two AC
chargers, a sturdy leather case and 2 GB micro SD card.  It does not come
with Mobile Speak.  Anyway, if you do not want to sign a 2-year contract and
want a reliable smart phone capable of achieving a number of personal and
business tasks, talk to me off list.  I'm looking for something in the range
of fifty dollars.

Best,

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 18:18:46 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:18:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should
	we	switchto AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <423e6e460912271655y699a0e51le81c02e0f39d8e2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>	<4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>	<COL107-DS22765050240EBBCF0D158EB57C0@phx.gbl>
	<423e6e460912271655y699a0e51le81c02e0f39d8e2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b38f686.8802be0a.1c1c.467d@mx.google.com>

He will have to pay a restocking fee if this is the case of him still being
with in his 30 day period to return the ozone.
The Droid is accessible to a point, but from what I've heard it can't be
used on the internet, and the touch screen is not accessible at all with
talk back its screen reader.
Besides of it having that screen reader you would have to have people
install other applications for Talk back to work to the best of it's
abilities at the current time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Domonique Lawless
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 5:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
switchto AT&T?

Hello,

There is actually a built in screen reader on the motorola droid. I
haven't had a chance to work with it a lot but from the little bit
that I've played with it it has seemed to work decently. It might be
worth checking out. It is about $40 more than the Ozone but it might
be a possibility. Also, remember that if your boyfriend has had the
phone for under 30 days he can return it for his money back or
possibly swap it out for the droid for $40 more.

I hope this Helps,
Domonique

On 12/27/09, Jacob Struiksma <lawnmower84 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I know from my friend that mobile speak works lots better on the ozone
phone
> from Verizon
> From
> Jacob Struiksma
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Alberto Arreola
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 6:51 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we
> switchto AT&T?
>
> He might be interested in trying the EnV 3, or putting Mobile Speak smart
on
> his ozone.  He has 30 days to try Mobile speak.  30 days is the trial
period
> that Code factory offers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Mandi Marks
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:22 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch to
> AT&T?
>
>
> Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC
> Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment.
> Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems
> completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes
almost
> daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon
> also requires him to pay an extra $30 a month for the data package (since
> it's a smart phone), and the program isn't capable of running anything
that
> the data package is needed for. The software uses so much of the phone's
> processor that the internet times out before it can even get a web page
> loaded. We have yet to be able to try out the internet or any of the apps
on
> this phone because we simply can't get them to work with TALKS running.
>
> He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a
> hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the
> accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know
> who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones,
and
> text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text messages
> but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to
> AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really just
> looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or
> even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I
> heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software upgrade
for
> their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, but
I'm
> not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone
know
> anything about this?
>
> Your feedback is greatly appreciated.
>
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From jrtalamantez at juno.com  Mon Dec 28 19:44:31 2009
From: jrtalamantez at juno.com (jrtalamantez at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:44:31 GMT
Subject: [nabs-l] networking and internships
Message-ID: <20091228.134431.8331.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>


Networking is NOT: 
Begging for information or a job. 
A one-way proposition--using another person for connections. 
Just for desperate job-seeking times
Networking IS: 
Another name for what you already do: exchange information with friends, classmates, families, and teammates, and others. 
A set of learnable skills. Even shy people can network. 
Useful in personal, work, school, and job settings. 
A fun way to learn and meet interesting people.
YES, BUT.........."I don't have any contacts."  
People who say they "don't know anyone" overlook the obvious. Try this: On a sheet of paper make space for five categories 
Friends 
Family members 
Teachers 
Classmates 
Co- workers/Teammates.
For each category write the names of five people you know (from any time in your life). For each person note when you met, how you met, and the last time you had contact with them. 
You now have 25 contacts. And you can probably add to several categories. Each of these people is also "connected" to at least 25 others, meaning your are within two steps of reaching 625 people! 
Networking is powerful and rewarding. Contact your college career center for tips on how to apply it to your own job search. 
Informational Interviewing:
http://www.quintcareers.com/informational_interviewing.html
Ask the Headhunter: Good Networking
http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/hanetwork1.htm
Career Networking:
http://www.quintcareers.com/networking_resources.html
The Riley Guide: E-Networking
http://www.rileyguide.com/enetwork.html
The Big Dummies Guide to Service Learning:
http://www.fiu.edu/~time4chg/Library/bigdummy.html
Professional Associations:
http://www.weddles.com/associations
Mentoring:
http://www.asktheheadhunter.com/hamentor.htm
Internship opportunities are a wonderful way for students to try out their career to validate for themselves if they have made the right career choices. They provide students with real work experience to assist them when they pursue employment opportunities after graduation. 
Internship experiences vary in regard to their characteristics. Some internships are highly competitive and require students to possess specific characteristics (i.e., specific majors, gpa requirements, course work or other knowledge or skills). Others are less rigid. Some internships provide the student with a salary or stipend, others provide no monetary reward at all. Despite the differences in characteristics, the internship experience itself is what is most valuable to the student. 
 Upon graduation as students seek positions in a highly competitive workforce, opportunities for students with experience exceed those for students who lack related experience. This is where the internship experience often proves its value. The internship provides the student with work related experience and references which can become a crucial factor as employment decisions and job offers are made. In most instances then, whether paid or unpaid, the internship experience usually proves its value and is an important resource to take advantage of.  
Corporation for National and Community Service:
 http://www.nationalservice.gov/
internship programs:
http://www.internshipprograms.com/

Volunteering Made Easy:
http://tools.ysa.org/cc.html

 
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 05:29:01 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 00:29:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Notetakers for Sale
Message-ID: <789CD321DA5347B0925984AB37C89C0C@Rufus>

Hello,

I have a BrailleNote mPower BT32 and Pac Mate Omni BX420 for sale.  The
mPower I am letting go at $1,000.  The PMO I am selling for $1,300.  Both
devices come with a wireless card.  If interested in a full description,
please e-mail me off-list.  I prefer PayPal.  Thanks.

Best,

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 17:04:32 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:04:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NCABS 2010 student seminar!
Message-ID: <3fea3c410912290904w3dd38068kea88e25882c3c7de@mail.gmail.com>

NCABS is excited to announce our second anual student seminar! Please
pass to any blind students in NC! A flyer is attached as well as
pasted below my signature. If you have any questions, consult our
newly launched website www.ncabs.org or email me at clb5590 at gmail.com

I hope everyone has a splendid new year!

Cindy Bennett
1st VP: NC Association of Blind Students

Network with Other Blind Students
at the
2nd Annual
NC Association of Blind Students Seminar!

Join with other blind students to network, learn about the latest in
technology, the best ways to get accommodations at school and on the
job, participate in an exciting service project with local preschool
blind and visually impaired children, and much, much more! You can
earn community service hours while you do it! Each attendee will be
entered into a drawing for a $75 Visa Gift Card to be spent anywhere
Visa is accepted!

Visit www.ncabs.org and click on “2010 Student Seminar” for more
information and a registration form!

Who may attend: ANY high school or college student!
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010   **Registration forms due March 10th
Time: Registration 8:30 a.m., Seminar 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.
Location: Governor Morehead School for the Blind, Penland building
Price: $10 to be paid upon arrival - FREE LUNCH!

The NC Association of Blind Students (NCABS) is an affiliate of the
National Federation of the Blind of NC and of the National Association
of Blind Students. NCABS works to represent blind students in North
Carolina, to advocate for equal education opportunities, to provide
important information and resources to students, to perpetuate a
positive philosophy about blindness, and to serve as a networking
outlet.


If you need ANY assistance, please call 1st VP, Cindy Bennett, at 828.989.5383.
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 22:14:17 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 17:14:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please circulate: Deadline Approaching for PAID
	INTERNSHIPS for people with disabilities!
References: <B0783A14-9029-4893-859D-236A0386B55C@gwmail.gwu.edu>
Message-ID: <332223FC-40EA-4838-B7FA-158DBF6F9B35@gmail.com>

Last Chance:
AAPD Summer Internship Application Deadline is Approaching

Applications must be received by5:00 PM (EST) on or  before January 8,  
2010.

Each summer, AAPD recruits the best and brightest college students  
with all types
of disabilities for our summer internships in Washington, DC.

We place 8 interns in the offices of members of Congress, and 10  
interns in the IT divisions of federal agencies.

Get the Word Out:
Pass this information along to bright, capable young leaders with  
disabilities who
you think would be a good fit for this program.

>>> For More go to
http://jfactivist.typepad.com/jfactivist/2009/12/aapd-summer-internship-application-deadline-is-approaching.html

>>> To Apply go to
http://www.aapd.com/AAPDInternship/

Begin forwarded message:

From: Corbb O'Connor <coconnor at gwmail.gwu.edu>
Date: November 15, 2009 5:13:15 PM EST
Subject: Fwd: AAPD Seeking 2010 Summer Interns!

Please share with your networks)



The American Association of People with Disabilities is searching for  
college students with disabilities to apply for the:
  2010 AAPD Summer Internships in Washington, D.C.!
To apply, please visit http://www.aapd.com/AAPDInternship
(Application instructions also attached in Microsoft Word format.)

Each year, AAPD coordinates two summer internship programs for college  
students with disabilities wanting to spend a summer working in  
Washington, DC.  AAPD summer interns receive a living stipend,  
accessible housing, and travel to and from Washington, DC.  Currently- 
enrolled undergraduate college students with any type of disability  
pursuing any type of undergraduate degree are encouraged to apply.

Hosted by AAPD and sponsored by the Mitsubishi Electric America  
Foundation, the AAPD-MEAF Congressional Internship Program provides  
students interested in government, politics, law, or leadership the  
unique opportunity to intern on Capitol Hill for members of Congress.   
Previous AAPD-MEAF Congressional intern placements have included:
Senator Barak Obama (D-IL)
Senator Hillary Rodham-Clinton (D-NY)
Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS)
Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner (R-WI)
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD)
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA)

Hosted by AAPD and sponsored by Microsoft, the AAPD-Microsoft Federal  
IT Internship Program provides students pursuing careers in  
Information Technologythe unique opportunity to intern in the IT  
divisions of federal agencies.  Previous IT placements have included:
US Coast Guard
Department of Homeland Security
US Patent and Trade Office
National Science Foundation
US Department of Transportation
Transportation Security Administration
Federal Aviation Administration

To apply for the AAPD Summer Internship programs, please visit http://www.aapd.com/AAPDInternship 
.  For additional information or for questions, please contact the  
AAPD program staff at internship at aapd.com.  (Application instructions  
attached in Microsoft Word format.)






From info at michaelhingson.com  Wed Dec 30 03:04:17 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:04:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Special Pricing for KNFB Reader Mobile
Message-ID: <auto-000133248238@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Happy Holidays,

The NFB and The Michael Hingson Group still are offering the KnfbReader
Mobile at our end of year special price.  The Nokia N82-based version with
either Talks or MobileSpeak is priced at $1,495.00, $100 off its regular
price.  The Nokia N86-based configuration with either Talks or MobileSpeak
costs $1,620.00, $150 off its regular price.  If you wish to take advantage
of the special pricing please contact Michael Hingson at (415) 827-4084 or
at info at michaelhingson.com or by contacting any of our dealers.  A list of
dealers can be found on the "how to purchase" page on our web site,
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com.  If you wish pricing for a Reader
using one of the other newly supported phones please contact Mike Hingson.

Happy reading.


Mike Hingson

The Michael Hingson Group
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com



From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Wed Dec 30 13:42:27 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:42:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch
	to AT&T?
In-Reply-To: <4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>
References: <4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8CC576D0F529B41-11B8-2D541@webmail-m064.sysops.aol.com>

Hi all. I use the LG 8350 from Verizon. It works well for me. It isn't 
good if you get a lot of text messages because it doesn't read them 
out. I don't text a lot, so that is fine for me. It talks the contact 
list and the keypad.It doesn't talk some of the menues and settings, 
but when I first got my Mom helped me set it up. After it's set up the 
way you want it, you can use it independently. It talks when you put in 
a contact, and it beeps when it is done charging. It also beeps when 
you plug in the charger. It tells you whose calling. You have to set it 
to do all those things, so it might help to have a sighted person set 
it up for you. Once it's set up, it's pretty straight forward.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alberto Arreola <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sat, Dec 26, 2009 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we 
switch to AT&T?

He might be interested in trying the EnV 3, or putting Mobile Speak 
smart on
his ozone.  He has 30 days to try Mobile speak.  30 days is the trial 
period
that Code factory offers.

-----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf
Of Mandi Marks
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 7:22 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible phones with verizon -- or should we switch 
to
AT&T?


Last week my boyfriend upgraded his phone at Verizon Wireless to the HTC
Ozone with Talks, and it has turned out to be an utter disappointment.
Though the HTC Ozone appears to be a good phone in itself, it seems
completely incapable of handling the Talks program. The phone crashes 
almost
daily and frequently freezes up if you tap the keys too quickly. Verizon
also requires him to pay an
extra $30 a month for the data package (since it's a smart phone), and 
the
program isn't capable
of running anything that the data package is needed for. The software 
uses
so much of the phone's processor that the
internet times out before it can even get a web page loaded. We have 
yet to
be able to try out the internet or any of the apps on this phone 
because we
simply can't get them to work with TALKS running.

He is about ready to give up on it to say the least, but we are having a
hard time finding another phone with Verizon that will give him the
accessibility he wants. Really all he wants to do is to be able to know
who's calling, manage his contacts, customize the sounds and ringtones, 
and
text. I have an EnV which will do all those things and read text 
messages
but won't read who they're from. He is somewhat considering switching to
AT&T and getting the iPhone but that is a last  resort. So I'm really 
just
looking for input from other blind cell phone users who have Verizon. Or
even if you own an iPhone I'd love to hear what you think of it. Also, I
heard that in 2010 Verizon will be releasing an Android software 
upgrade for
their Droid phones which could provide free text-to-speech software, 
but I'm
not able to find much information about it on the internet. Does anyone 
know
anything about this?

Your feedback is greatly appreciated.


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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 15:13:38 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:13:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Jaws 11 and Windows Live Mail on Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <4b38f686.8802be0a.1c1c.467d@mx.google.com>
References: <SNT128-W54B5E0D696C9F3EAA7C4C8A47D0@phx.gbl>	<4b36cb80.cf02be0a.6afd.20ad@mx.google.com>	<COL107-DS22765050240EBBCF0D158EB57C0@phx.gbl><423e6e460912271655y699a0e51le81c02e0f39d8e2e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4b38f686.8802be0a.1c1c.467d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D233AA1F94124A619F450EF4CD200D29@djdrocksPC>

Hi There!
I am using Windows 7, and installed Windows Live Mail. Biggest problem I'm 
running into is that when I click on an email to read it, Jaws won't read 
the email when I use the up and down arrow keys until I hit the alt key 
twice, or alt tab out then back into the window. Anyone have this problem 
before and/or figure out how to get Windows Live Mail and Jaws 11 to work a 
little better?
Feel free to email me off list or on here.
Thanks.
>From David 


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From dlambert at aristotle.net  Wed Dec 30 15:51:32 2009
From: dlambert at aristotle.net (Denna Lambert)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:51:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Browsers used by Universities
In-Reply-To: <4b38f686.8802be0a.1c1c.467d@mx.google.com>
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Got a quick question for everyone (geeks and non-geeks alike).  Do your
universities or professors require the use of any of these products?

FireFox 3.0 or greater; 
Safari 4.0 or greater; 
Chrome 3 or greater, 

Are these web browsers accessible?  What has been your experience with them?


Any help you can be would be great.  

Denna




From brileyp at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 17:41:53 2009
From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:41:53 +0800
Subject: [nabs-l] to tell you
Message-ID: <12790a9a0912300941s767ffad4i4796933fc46a3a6f@mail.gmail.com>

Re: to tell you
Happy holidays! if you need any electronic products, where Rightwholesele.com.
Their price is cheap, delivery is also very fast, I have
worked with them, it is really good, go and let's see it.
Greetings


From astrochem119 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 19:58:25 2009
From: astrochem119 at gmail.com (Chelsea Cook)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:58:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Browser Accessibility
Message-ID: <4b3bafb7.0706c00a.4384.502e@mx.google.com>

Hi Denna,
  I have used FireFox when my IE is down.  It works well with 
JAWS version 9 and up, but has its quirks: Some of the keystrokes 
are different (Control L for open versus Control O), but if you 
read the Help files you get used to it.  The only thing I really 
don't like is the find command: It never seems to want to move me 
on a page.  I have not used any of the other browsers you 
mentioned.
Just my thought,
Chelsea
"I ask you to look both ways.  For the road to a knowledge of the 
stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom 
has been reached through the stars."
Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars 
and Atoms (1928), Lecture 1


From chong528 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 31 00:44:29 2009
From: chong528 at yahoo.com (chong capati)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 16:44:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] please add this email
Message-ID: <548800.25503.qm@web50802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

jason.capati at yahoo.com

jeremy.capati at yahoo.com


      

From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 31 08:21:26 2009
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:21:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Browsers used by Universities
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	<006001ca8967$f7a39490$e6eabdb0$@net>
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Mozilla Firefox  works find with jaws.  I use Mozilla Firefox all the time
with jaws 11
From
Jacob Struiksma


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Denna Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:52 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: lori.a.simmons at nasa.gov
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Browsers used by Universities

Got a quick question for everyone (geeks and non-geeks alike).  Do your
universities or professors require the use of any of these products?

FireFox 3.0 or greater;
Safari 4.0 or greater;
Chrome 3 or greater, 

Are these web browsers accessible?  What has been your experience with them?


Any help you can be would be great.  

Denna



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From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 31 12:16:25 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 05:16:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] alarm clocks
Message-ID: <B3C0E9D55915488EAABED6519E305BD2@kevin9ee0841f6>

Hello folks. I was wondering what alarm clocks you like. I need something that is nice and loud. This is because I am a heavy sleeper. I use my Braille Note as an Alarm Clock. However, that doesn't always work because it does crash sometimes. What would you recomend?

From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Thu Dec 31 16:13:35 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:13:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] alarm clocks
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Message-ID: <648100921DD94275A921B45D130E4AE4@Hope>

I have an atomic clock that I won somewhere. It's really loud and it's 
dependable-- as long as the batteries don't go dead.
Hope and Beignet
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Subject: [nabs-l] alarm clocks


> Hello folks. I was wondering what alarm clocks you like. I need something 
> that is nice and loud. This is because I am a heavy sleeper. I use my 
> Braille Note as an Alarm Clock. However, that doesn't always work because 
> it does crash sometimes. What would you recomend?
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From DFrye at nfb.org  Thu Dec 31 22:46:43 2009
From: DFrye at nfb.org (Frye, Dan)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 16:46:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Law Symposium Announcement
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List Colleagues:

Lou Ann Blake, the NFB's Jacobus tenBroek Law Symposium coordinator, has
asked that I post the following announcement about the 2010 expanded
event here. We do seem able to attract a high caliber of participants to
this event, which seems to have become an annual affair within the legal
disability community. She urges as many as are able and inclined from
this list to make plans to participate in this function during the
spring. The announcement is pasted below in the text of this message and
is also attached for your reference and for further distribution. Thank
you. The announcement follows:

Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Tom Perez and Former
Congressman Tony Coelho are Keynote Speakers



for the



2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium



Equality, Difference, and the Right to Live in the World



April 15-16, 2010

at the

National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute

Baltimore, Maryland





Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Tom Perez and former
Congressman Tony Coelho head the list of distinguished law professors,
practitioners, and advocates who will discuss the concepts of equality
and difference as they relate to the disabled in employment, education,
medical treatment, and access to technology.  With an expanded format to
incorporate workshops, the 2010 symposium will provide more time for
discussion, collaboration, and networking.



2010 plenary session presenters:



*	Adrienne Asch, Director, Center for Ethics, Yeshiva University
*	Dan Brock, Director, Division of Medical Ethics, Harvard Medical
School
*	Richard Brown, Chief Judge, Wisconsin Court of Appeals
*	David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger
*	Dan Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
*	Andrew Imparato, President and CEO, American Association of
People with Disabilities
*	Leslie Seid Margolis, Managing Attorney, Education Unit,
Maryland Disability Law Center
*	Mark Weber, Vincent dePaul Professor of Law, DePaul University
College of Law



2010 workshop facilitators:



*	Charles Brown, Director, Volunteer Lawyers for the Blind,
American Action Fund for Blind Children and Adults
*	Ira Burnim, Legal Director, Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law
*	Claudia Center, Senior Staff Attorney, The Legal Aid Society
Employment Law Center
*	Marc Charmatz, Senior Attorney, National Association of the Deaf
*	Robert Dinerstein, Professor of Law and Director of Clinical
Programs,  American University Washington College of Law
*	Eve Hill, Senior Vice President, Burton Blatt Institute
*	Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
*	Christopher Kuczynski, Esquire, Equal Employment Opportunity
Commission
*	Jennifer Mathis, Deputy Legal Director, Bazelon Center for
Mental Health Law
*	Ruby Moore, Executive Director, Georgia Advocacy Office, Inc.
*	Ari Ne'eman, President, Autistic Self-Advocacy Network
*	Steven Schwartz, Executive Director, Center for Public
Representation



Documentation for CLE credits will be provided.



Registration fee: $175

Student registration fee: $25



A limited number of scholarships to cover the registration fee will be
available to individuals with demonstrated financial need.



To learn more about the symposium and symposium sponsorship
opportunities, view the agenda, and register online, please visit
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp
<http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp> .  You may also download from
this Web site a registration form to mail or fax.  Hotel information is
also available on the symposium Web site.



For additional information, contact:



Lou Ann Blake, JD

Law Symposium Coordinator

Jacobus tenBroek Library

Jernigan Institute

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

200 East Wells Street

at Jernigan Place

Baltimore, Maryland 21230

Telephone: 410-659-9314, ext. 2221

E-mail: lblake at nfb.org <mailto:lblake at nfb.org>






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