[nabs-l] A Battle Waiting to be Lost

Mon Feb 2 06:20:34 UTC 2009

I've seen Youth Slam videos and March for Independence videos and even
Straight Talk About Vision Loss on Youtube. Why would Riccobono and all the
others involved in these videos put them up there if that's just adding to
the problem?

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

>    Hello Antonio and listers,
>
> Try using an audio CAPTCHA if you have a severe hearing impairment or are
> deaf-blind. There's also a credibility issue and potential consequences
> that
> could work against us should we need to resort to litigation to gain
> complete access to these communities.
>
>    What individuals do about social networks is their business. The problem
> comes when an organization that champions and actively promotes Web and
> application accessibility knowingly establishes a presence on social
> networks it knows have accessibility issues for the blind. These sites
> can't
> be ignored. That's all the more the reason to not establish presences in
> these social communities in the organization's name to protect our chances
> of winning should we decide to sue these guys if they continue to fail to
> address accessibility issues. Let Myspace, Facebook and company wave this
> fact in our faces in the state or federal courts. After all we have
> presences on their sites so why should they care about accessibility. We
> can
> always get sighted help to deal with CAPTCHAS and such so why waste their
> time with this talk about inaccessibility.
>
> If you ask me if we continue down this path and continue to create NFB
> presences on social communities we know have accessibility issues for the
> blind we've opened up a nasty can of worms for ourselves. It's a court
> battle just waiting to be lost.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>
> Hello Peter,
>
> As David Andrews points out, Twitter apparently has an audio auternative
> for
> signing up to the service. I am a member of the site, and know lots of
> other
> blind people who post there, and the captcha has not stopped these many
> blind people from signing up.
>
> There is no excuse for sites not to have a visual means of securing the
> site, and keeping bots out of the picture. I don't much understand your
> staunch opposition even to something like that, you say because it leaves
> out the deaf-blind.
>
> I submit that if all a sight requires is a captcha for signing up, and one
> really wants to get signed up, one would arrange time with a sighted person
> to process their enrollment in the service.
>
> While we don't want to be left out of the loop, and counted out of
> participation in onnline networking or what have you, I find it somewhat
> anoying that such continued opposition should go on without regard for a
> site's responsibility to keep out spammers. It should be considered that
> meaningful efforts to resolve the issue, such as audio captchas have been
> made.
>
> Again, I am willing to bet that hundreds of blind people are on Twitter,
> and
> even more on FaceBook, despite your hatred for their antispam methods.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 12:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>
> Peter:
>
> It seems to me that it is not CAPTCHA's per se
> that we are opposed to, but visual requirements
> without reasonable alternatives.  Twitter does have an audio CAPTCHA.
>
> These sites have reasonable security concerns and
> it is their right and responsibility to take
> steps to make them secure.  As long as they
> provide us with reasonable alternatives we should
> not oppose their visual approaches.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:59 PM 1/30/2009, Peter Donahue wrote:
> >Good afternoon everyone,
> >
> >     I'm sorry folks but if this organization opposes the use of CAPTCHA
> as
> > a
> >means of site security it has no business putting its presences on these
> >sites that require blind people to use them; particularly if the audio
> >quality is horrible and the person is both blind  and deaf. I'm all for
> >establishing presences on social networks but not on those that require
> the
> >use of a CAPTCHA as a part of registration process. As far as I'm
> concerned
> >we're shooting ourselves in the foot if this continues!!
> >
> >Peter Donahue
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Danielsen, Chris (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)"
> ><CDanielsen at nfb.org>
> >To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:58 PM
> >Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Fellow Federationists:
> >
> >
> >I am writing with exciting news! You can now
> >follow the latest news and information from the
> >National Federation of the Blind, the Voice of
> >the Nation's Blind, on Twitter.  To follow our
> >Twitter updates, go to
> ><http://www.twitter.com/NFB_voice>www.twitter.com/NFB_voice.
> >You'll need to join Twitter if you don't have an account.
> >
> >
> >
> >Twitter is a social networking site that allows
> >you to keep track of your friends, family, and
> >interests online.  In addition to signing up for
> >Web updates for the National Federation of the
> >Blind, you can also opt to receive our Twitter
> >updates via text message on your mobile
> >phone.  And while you're at it, follow the 2009
> >Braille Readers are Leaders campaign as well, by
> >going to
> ><http://www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy>www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy
> >
> >
> >
> >We hope lots of you will follow our new Twitter
> >feedand don't hesitate to send us a direct
> >message if you have questions or comments about what you read.
> >
> >
> >
> >Sincerely:
> >
> >
> >
> >Chris Danielsen
> >
> >Director of Public Relations
> >
> >NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
> >
> >
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