From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  1 01:03:47 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:03:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students
References: <3DB02E1D-D55D-448E-AE62-D7F4ED7C2235@gmail.com>
	<0720F49A-B6F1-4853-9945-085C8FFAC34C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2D0CE64DFCC4C9CB14CE2B710457606@D1GMNL91>

Corbb,
You must be back in the US.  Are you going to George Washington still? 
Sorry to hear the board was not responsive.  I am in northern VA and will 
get back to you.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students


> Hello students!
>
> I am posting this message on the National list as well, for I'm not  sure 
> how many students are on the Virginia list. I'm looking to get  the 
> Virginia division rolling again, and would love your help. If you  attend 
> school in Virginia or the metro-DC area, I'm happy to have you!  Please 
> see below for the message I sent the VABS list, and if you're  interested, 
> please join that list at www.nfbnet.org
>
> Many thanks and Happy New Year.
> Corbb
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com>
> Date: December 31, 2008 5:14:29 PM EST
> To: vabs at nfbnet.org
> Subject: From your President.
>
> Happy New Year Virginians!
>
> Corbb O'Connor here, President of the Virginia Association of Blind 
> Students. For those who weren't aware, I spent this past semester  abroad 
> at the National University of Ireland, Galway, as was therefore  unable to 
> make it to our state convention. (You see, I told Dr.  Schroeder that I 
> would happily return if he paid my airfare -- I was  told that was not in 
> the budget!) I left you, though, in the very  capable hands of Jessica 
> Kostiw, and I'm glad to hear that she does  not disappoint!
>
> It's time for us to start moving again as a division. I have had a  great 
> difficulty in reaching our current VABS Board this past year, so  I am 
> hoping that you can all help me.
>
> I would love to hear your ideas of what we can do this year. But more 
> importantly, I want your help making those ideas a reality. One of the 
> first things that I want to focus on is crafting a constitution for  our 
> division. This will involve a lot of discussion, some writing, and 
> thinking about our division's future.
>
> To facilitate this, I propose that we hold a conference call either  next 
> Sunday, Jan. 4 or Monday, Jan. 5 at 10pm ET. I have used a  service before 
> at Freeconference.com where you will need to dial a  phone number, enter 
> an access code, and join the conversation. That  phone number is a 
> long-distance number, but my hope is that by holding  this meeting in the 
> evening, we can exploit free long distance minutes  on cell phones!
>
> In order to give an accurate count of the participants to the 
> teleconference company, please reply to me with your availability  (either 
> Sunday or Monday) and your e-mail address.
>
> Best wishes for 2009, and I look forward to working together.
> Corbb O'Connor
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 01:49:14 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 20:49:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] myspace question
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOGOTBsMnBVHjuBW/NdRfgrCgAAAEAAAAGuX6Oswrz1AvsvIMsvjieUBAAAAAA==@austin.rr.com>
References: <4520D7337B7C4CEB829FC84CEEB7DC18@davee984e49f02>
	<001e01c9691a$c823b7e0$586b27a0$@net>
	<13F4F7092B664F5C982E24C30285649C@DianePC>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAOGOTBsMnBVHjuBW/NdRfgrCgAAAEAAAAGuX6Oswrz1AvsvIMsvjieUBAAAAAA==@austin.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0812311749m7d606582q652ef08df6e898a1@mail.gmail.com>

That's what a friend of mine told me.  Not everybody uses firefox
though, and to be quite honest, I don't think MySpace is the best
option for a blind person because
A. It can be anybody writing to you, even somebody with a name as
weird as "Joey Top Flight of the World Baby."  That's an actual
MySpace name by the way.
and B. The pictures are too many. lol
Beth

On 12/28/08, Phillip Gross <phillip.gross at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> If you will use firefox you can get a plug in that will read the captcha and
> put it on your clipboard so that you can paste it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Diane
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 12:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] myspace question
>
> hi Jim!
> The capcha's are used to prevent viruses and spam.  Only a human can read
> them, not a computer.
> Di
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim" <jp100 at earthlink.net>
> To: "'NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>; "'National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "'NFBnet
> NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 11:33 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] myspace question
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I know some of you have Myspace accounts.  Here's my question.
>> Lately, every time I want to log in to my account (I have one of those
>> musician's accounts), it's asking me to type in one of those verification
>> capcha deals.  This is even after I type in my password.  Does anyone know
>> what is going on?
>> Jim Portillo
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dianefilipe%40people
> pc.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/phillip.gross%40aust
> in.rr.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From blindhistory at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 04:40:04 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:40:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] student meeting at Washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <495bf9fc.0609c00a.2db9.43ba@mx.google.com>
References: <495bf9fc.0609c00a.2db9.43ba@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00812312040h4376e3c9oe8c7ab0b68114db9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm confused... I thought that the student seminar was n march like the 20th
or so.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:03 PM, David Bouchard <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:

> What time on Sunday will the meeting begin, and where will it be held? I am
> assuming it will be at the hotel in Washington.
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student meeting at Washington seminar
>
> Hello. The NABS seminar will be held on Sunday, February 8.
> I hope you can join us.
>
> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
> A premier licensed Code Factory distributor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Spaulding" <spaulding.scott at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:13 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] student meeting at Washington seminar
>
>
> > When is the meeting? I don't remember hearing anything about it. I'm
> > planning on being in Baltimore the 6th & 7th, so if it is one of those
> > days,
> > I'll see about coming.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 12:29:26 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 07:29:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Call for Site Content
Message-ID: <DFF991CEE0A14279ACD192AE9FCBF406@MonkeyPaw>

Dear student divisions:

This is your last opportunity to send us any materials you wish to make a
part of the NABS site launch on Monday.  We're down to the final count, and
anything you wish included as a general resource or promotional plug for
your division needs to be into us as soon as possible.  There will always be
ample opportunities for people to submit content later, but we hope to
attract significant traffic for the site in the first days of its public
existence, making this a prime opportunity for you to sell your state
division to your membership and the public at large.  On Monday evening the
web site will be officially turned over to the National Association of Blind
Students.  If you should read this message past that point, please forward
your material to Terri Rupp.  She will turn it over to the proper board
member for consideration.  Thank you in advance for your patience and
cooperation.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 16:35:33 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:35:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legal Advice
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtHCgAAAEAAAAHm1qK0Ujg9Pmm2eep0EkxkBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hey Eric,

As far as continuing the case, I would recommend that you evaluate the
quality of that final. You expressed an assertive responsibility by scanning
a friend's copy of the final, and it sounds that you were able to complete
your assignment by the dead line. If the professor has been cooperative
through the duration of the course, then perhaps extending a polite email
reminding him of the importance of accessibility for future students.

However, as a college student, I do caution you with this approach.
Thankfully I have not encountered many professors with a power trip, but I
have had to interact with some very difficult professors before. If I would
have done something like copy another students hand out, this type of
professor would have used it against me. Through that difficulty I found out
that the institution offers incompletes, in which my grade is not affected
and is put on the professor. I have only done this once, but found it
helpful when I needed to work with a difficult professor. When I receive an
incomplete, the game plan is back on the professor and they are still under
the same obligations as though you were completing the course on time. I
have only encountered this predicament once, and it came out successfully
enough.

Hope this helps,

Mandarino,
Email: blind.subscriber at gmail.com



From jess28 at samobile.net  Thu Jan  1 23:47:04 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:47:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>

Hi everyone,
I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University 
I just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the 
American Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in 
Vermont and Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of 
Blind students which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  2 01:07:24 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:07:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>

Jessica,

Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB.  NFB 
is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I checked. 
Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot be in ACB. 
They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your ideas.
I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount 
university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after your 
associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path.  Do you 
read braille?

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hi everyone,
> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>
> -- 
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 01:28:21 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:28:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901011728l2a7e6affl407404e6e7552eae@mail.gmail.com>

Jessica,

Welcome! I'm sure you'll find that the NFB is one awesome organization of
blind individuals. I just felt like I should say that there is NO NFB bylaw
or rule that says you can't be an official member of both organizations. I
know several individuals who are. What is usually meant by "you can't be a
member of both" is that the two organizations have very opposite views, and
it's difficult to be in favor of both at once, even if you may be for some
of what the NFB is all about and against some. I do hope you find that the
NFB meets your needs and makes you feel at home. It did for me.

-Jamie

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Ashley Bramlett
<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:

> Jessica,
>
> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB.
>  NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I
> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot be
> in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your ideas.
> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount
> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after your
> associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path.  Do you
> read braille?
>
> Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
>  Hi everyone,
>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just
>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet
>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm
>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently doing
>> an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I just
>> started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American Council
>> for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and Utah. I was
>> also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students which is the
>> ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>
>> --
>> Jess
>> Jessica Trask
>>
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Jan  2 01:32:24 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:32:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <002f01c96c79$f7547600$0601a8c0@Serene>

Ashley, I see what you mean about "If you decide to be in NFB, you can't be 
in ACB," but I'm sure there are members of this list who are in ACB and it 
doesn't much affect their contributions to and what they learn from the 
list.  Jessica, if you end up choosing ACB, feel free to still contribute to 
this list, as well.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Jessica,
>
> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB. 
> NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I 
> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot be 
> in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your ideas.
> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount 
> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after 
> your associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path. 
> Do you read braille?
>
> Ashley
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
>> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
>> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
>> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
>> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
>> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jess
>> Jessica Trask
>>
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 01:34:06 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:34:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <2A34FDB09412474090135B8C8EE1B313@Dezman>

Jessica,
Welcome to the list. There's a lot of good people on here and we enjoy 
helping each other out so you are among friends. I'm Dezman and I live in 
Alabama. Enjoy and fill free to chime in any time.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 5:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hi everyone,
> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>
> -- 
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 02:17:55 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:17:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAAjBJLUvFVxKik4tiDzTaGsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hey Jessica,

I am a junior at Augusta State University in Georgia, and I was wondering if
you wouldn't mind sending me an email. I am curious about your involvement
in Utah, and hoped to learn about your involvement.

Sincerely,

Mandarino,
Email: blind.subscriber at gmail.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
of Jessica Trask
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction

Hi everyone,
I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University 
I just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the 
American Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in 
Vermont and Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of 
Blind students which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
mail.com



From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 02:42:52 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:42:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <01e901c96c83$cf524240$2e01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi Jessica welcome to the list.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hi everyone,
> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>
> -- 
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com 



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  2 03:06:22 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 22:06:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com><A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
	<002f01c96c79$f7547600$0601a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <3DA1EE2B6ED24825BD2332CFCA33B1ED@D1GMNL91>

Cerena,
Yes there are ACB members on here and NFB members on ACB lists.  What I 
meant though is you cannot join both organizations.  You can join any list 
you want though.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Ashley, I see what you mean about "If you decide to be in NFB, you can't 
> be in ACB," but I'm sure there are members of this list who are in ACB and 
> it doesn't much affect their contributions to and what they learn from the 
> list.  Jessica, if you end up choosing ACB, feel free to still contribute 
> to this list, as well.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
>> Jessica,
>>
>> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB. 
>> NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I 
>> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot 
>> be in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your 
>> ideas.
>> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount 
>> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after 
>> your associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path. 
>> Do you read braille?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
>>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
>>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
>>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
>>> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
>>> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
>>> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
>>> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
>>> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jess
>>> Jessica Trask
>>>
>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 03:30:55 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:30:55 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] student meeting at Washington seminar
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00812312040h4376e3c9oe8c7ab0b68114db9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <495bf9fc.0609c00a.2db9.43ba@mx.google.com>
	<ea6d2ed00812312040h4376e3c9oe8c7ab0b68114db9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901011930n5d08c9aeic909cc4828678502@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

There will be a student seminar on Sunday during Washington Seminar at
the Holiday Inn Capitol. Typically the seminar begins at 10:00 a.m.
and includes a morning and afternoon session. Terri will provide the
final information about the start and end times for this year's
seminar.

There is also a student leadership seminar in March in Baltimore for
designated student division representatives. Invited seminar attendees
have received, or will receive, invitations from Terri directly.

Arielle Silverman
First Vice-President, NABS


On 1/1/09, Lora and Myrtle <blindhistory at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm confused... I thought that the student seminar was n march like the 20th
> or so.
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 4:03 PM, David Bouchard <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What time on Sunday will the meeting begin, and where will it be held? I
>> am
>> assuming it will be at the hotel in Washington.
>> David
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:43 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student meeting at Washington seminar
>>
>> Hello. The NABS seminar will be held on Sunday, February 8.
>> I hope you can join us.
>>
>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>> A premier licensed Code Factory distributor
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Spaulding" <spaulding.scott at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 8:13 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] student meeting at Washington seminar
>>
>>
>> > When is the meeting? I don't remember hearing anything about it. I'm
>> > planning on being in Baltimore the 6th & 7th, so if it is one of those
>> > days,
>> > I'll see about coming.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nabs-l:
>> >
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com
>> >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 03:40:48 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:40:48 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <3DA1EE2B6ED24825BD2332CFCA33B1ED@D1GMNL91>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
	<002f01c96c79$f7547600$0601a8c0@Serene>
	<3DA1EE2B6ED24825BD2332CFCA33B1ED@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901011940x8a4100co6b38513f3f039456@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica,

Welcome to the list! My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a Ph.D.
candidate in social psychology at the University of Colorado in
Boulder, CO. I have also been an active member of NABS and the NFB for
the past five years, and I currently serve as the first vice-president
of NABS.

I actually joined the NABS list when I was in high school and I
participated on the list for a year before I ever went to an NFB
national convention. Even after I attended the convention, I didn't
commit to joining the NFB for another two years, but I still remained
active on the list.

The list is a great place to learn about what the NFB does, what its
members are like and how you can get involved. I encourage you to read
the posts and contribute ideas of your own, and ask us any questions
you may have about the NFB either on or off-list, whether or not you
decide to join the NFB officially.

Cheers
Arielle


On 1/2/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Cerena,
> Yes there are ACB members on here and NFB members on ACB lists.  What I
> meant though is you cannot join both organizations.  You can join any list
> you want though.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
>> Ashley, I see what you mean about "If you decide to be in NFB, you can't
>> be in ACB," but I'm sure there are members of this list who are in ACB and
>>
>> it doesn't much affect their contributions to and what they learn from the
>>
>> list.  Jessica, if you end up choosing ACB, feel free to still contribute
>> to this list, as well.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>
>>
>>> Jessica,
>>>
>>> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB.
>>> NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I
>>> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot
>>> be in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your
>>> ideas.
>>> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount
>>> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after
>>> your associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path.
>>> Do you read braille?
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just
>>>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>>>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet
>>>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm
>>>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently
>>>> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I
>>>>
>>>> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American
>>>>
>>>> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and
>>>>
>>>> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students
>>>> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jess
>>>> Jessica Trask
>>>>
>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 03:58:58 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 19:58:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090102035858.GA47374@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Jess,

Albinos officially rule, that's all I have to say on that subject.  *grin*

I've found the hard way that "visually impaired", particularly given a 
sunny day, meant that I wasn't terribly well prepared.  That's me though, 
I'm a little more sensitive to it than some.  Still, I was raised to be 
sighted, not blind, and when I couldn't see, I was usually afraid of the 
outcome.  Worse, I couldn't see a lot more than I ever wanted to admit, 
even to myself.

I found the NFB was largely willing to let me live in my delusion as long 
as I wanted to, but when I realized just how bad it was, they were the 
first and really the only support I had in my effort to do something about 
it.

I think there is much to be found in the Federation, though it's been my 
experience that I get out some function of what I put into this 
organization.  I've gotten more, to be sure, but an organization OF the 
blind cannot function without the blind who are its membership.

Welcome to the list, and hopefully to the organization as well.  We need 
more albinos to keep all of these pigmentationally typical people in line.

Joseph

On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 06:47:04PM -0500, Jessica Trask wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just  
> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet  
> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm  
> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently  
> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>
> -- 
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit  
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 04:05:46 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:05:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901011728l2a7e6affl407404e6e7552eae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
	<63af025c0901011728l2a7e6affl407404e6e7552eae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090102040546.GB47374@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Jamie,

You are correct that there is no such bylaw.  There are some people around 
who are openly hostile toward the ACB (but a pale imitation of the 
reciprocal attitudes on acb-l, for certain!), and those people would argue 
that you could not be in good conscience a member of the NFB and a member 
of the ACB, since the latter stands as clearly opposed to the ideals of the 
former.

I don't think that statement is true, but a lot of people in the 
organization seem to be opposed to the Federation itself, regardless of its 
ideals and beliefs.  I found that very frustrating because we have a lot 
more in common than we have in dispute.

Joseph

On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 08:28:21PM -0500, Jamie Principato wrote:
>Jessica,
>
>Welcome! I'm sure you'll find that the NFB is one awesome organization of
>blind individuals. I just felt like I should say that there is NO NFB bylaw
>or rule that says you can't be an official member of both organizations. I
>know several individuals who are. What is usually meant by "you can't be a
>member of both" is that the two organizations have very opposite views, and
>it's difficult to be in favor of both at once, even if you may be for some
>of what the NFB is all about and against some. I do hope you find that the
>NFB meets your needs and makes you feel at home. It did for me.
>
>-Jamie
>
>On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Ashley Bramlett
><bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Jessica,
>>
>> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB.
>>  NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I
>> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot be
>> in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your ideas.
>> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount
>> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after your
>> associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path.  Do you
>> read braille?
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>
>>
>>  Hi everyone,
>>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just
>>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet
>>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm
>>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently doing
>>> an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I just
>>> started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American Council
>>> for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and Utah. I was
>>> also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students which is the
>>> ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jess
>>> Jessica Trask
>>>
>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 05:19:13 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:19:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030901011940x8a4100co6b38513f3f039456@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91>
	<002f01c96c79$f7547600$0601a8c0@Serene>
	<3DA1EE2B6ED24825BD2332CFCA33B1ED@D1GMNL91>
	<b6b933030901011940x8a4100co6b38513f3f039456@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901012119h612bd60sc2f2375336e3e9d9@mail.gmail.com>

No. There is no rule that prevents a person from joining both organizations
if they so choose. I know many students and other individuals who are
official due-paying members of both. It is difficult, yes, to be fully
supportive of both, so metaphorically, no, you can't really be members of
both organization. But in reality you can be signed up in both.

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Jessica,
>
> Welcome to the list! My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a Ph.D.
> candidate in social psychology at the University of Colorado in
> Boulder, CO. I have also been an active member of NABS and the NFB for
> the past five years, and I currently serve as the first vice-president
> of NABS.
>
> I actually joined the NABS list when I was in high school and I
> participated on the list for a year before I ever went to an NFB
> national convention. Even after I attended the convention, I didn't
> commit to joining the NFB for another two years, but I still remained
> active on the list.
>
> The list is a great place to learn about what the NFB does, what its
> members are like and how you can get involved. I encourage you to read
> the posts and contribute ideas of your own, and ask us any questions
> you may have about the NFB either on or off-list, whether or not you
> decide to join the NFB officially.
>
> Cheers
> Arielle
>
>
> On 1/2/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Cerena,
> > Yes there are ACB members on here and NFB members on ACB lists.  What I
> > meant though is you cannot join both organizations.  You can join any
> list
> > you want though.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
> >
> >
> >> Ashley, I see what you mean about "If you decide to be in NFB, you can't
> >> be in ACB," but I'm sure there are members of this list who are in ACB
> and
> >>
> >> it doesn't much affect their contributions to and what they learn from
> the
> >>
> >> list.  Jessica, if you end up choosing ACB, feel free to still
> contribute
> >> to this list, as well.
> >>
> >> Serena
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:07 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jessica,
> >>>
> >>> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB.
> >>> NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I
> >>> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot
> >>> be in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your
> >>> ideas.
> >>> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount
> >>> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after
> >>> your associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career
> path.
> >>> Do you read braille?
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
> >>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just
> >>>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
> >>>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in
> Watervliet
> >>>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm
> >>>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently
> >>>> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University
> I
> >>>>
> >>>> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the
> American
> >>>>
> >>>> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont
> and
> >>>>
> >>>> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students
> >>>> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jess
> >>>> Jessica Trask
> >>>>
> >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>>> nabs-l:
> >>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> nabs-l:
> >>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
> >>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From jess28 at samobile.net  Fri Jan  2 14:39:00 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com>

Ashley,
Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my bachelors degree and then my 
masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired.  I don't 
currently read Braille but I'm going to hopefully be learning grade two 
through the Hadley School for the Blind.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  2 18:03:09 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:03:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<20090102035858.GA47374@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <67E44E965292495FAFCC45C166770D67@D1GMNL91>

Joeseph,
I didn't know  you were albino; haven't seen many in nfb.
Are you still in school?
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Jess,
>
> Albinos officially rule, that's all I have to say on that subject.  *grin*
>
> I've found the hard way that "visually impaired", particularly given a 
> sunny day, meant that I wasn't terribly well prepared.  That's me though, 
> I'm a little more sensitive to it than some.  Still, I was raised to be 
> sighted, not blind, and when I couldn't see, I was usually afraid of the 
> outcome.  Worse, I couldn't see a lot more than I ever wanted to admit, 
> even to myself.
>
> I found the NFB was largely willing to let me live in my delusion as long 
> as I wanted to, but when I realized just how bad it was, they were the 
> first and really the only support I had in my effort to do something about 
> it.
>
> I think there is much to be found in the Federation, though it's been my 
> experience that I get out some function of what I put into this 
> organization.  I've gotten more, to be sure, but an organization OF the 
> blind cannot function without the blind who are its membership.
>
> Welcome to the list, and hopefully to the organization as well.  We need 
> more albinos to keep all of these pigmentationally typical people in line.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 06:47:04PM -0500, Jessica Trask wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
>> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
>> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
>> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
>> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
>> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jess
>> Jessica Trask
>>
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:39:42 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:39:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901021039s79111c15sc52c59d8ba69e665@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone! I wish all of you a happy and joyous new year. My name is
Merisa Musemic. I am currently a graduate student at Wayne State
University, where I am studying rehab. counseling.
I look forward to getting to know you, share ideas, and meeting you at
the convention, which will be "very far from me" 45 minutes.
Merisa


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 18:46:13 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 13:46:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl>


Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to write on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they are called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the Blind.> > -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista®. 
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/

From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Fri Jan  2 19:14:03 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a
happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind
Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't
had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am going
to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if you
guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing lately?
Rachel



From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:40:18 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:40:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl>
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com>
	<COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hey Albert,

I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer training.
Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
things for grade school students that are visually impaired? 

I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well. 

The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
peers.

Sincerely,

Mandarino

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
of Albert Yoo
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to write
on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade
would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they are
called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
[nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my
bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the Blind.>
> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing
list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
.com
_________________________________________________________________
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR. 
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
mail.com



From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:41:53 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:41:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association
 People with disabilities internship for the summer?
Message-ID: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>



_________________________________________________________________
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista®. 
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/

From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 19:55:14 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:55:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com>
	<COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901021155l1d5d7fa7l571f995517fe66a6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm also a self-taught computer nerd, but no matter what, I'll never
be as nerdy as the men in my family. lol
Beth

On 1/2/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Albert,
>
> I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
> whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer training.
> Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
> never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
> things for grade school students that are visually impaired?
>
> I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
> the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
> very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
> obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well.
>
> The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
> access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
> computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
> unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
> software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
> peers.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
> Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to write
> on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade
> would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they are
> called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my
> bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
> Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
> hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the Blind.>
>> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
> Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
> anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing
> list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
> mail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:02:05 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:02:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W6670C6FCB39947C0C2FEBC8BE20@phx.gbl>


Rachel, is the Maryland meeting for maryland blind students in Baltimore? I think I would have transportation problems to meet other blind students in Maryland? How many students are in the blind students division of Maryland? Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am going> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if you> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing lately?> Rachel> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:27:42 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:27:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <67E44E965292495FAFCC45C166770D67@D1GMNL91>
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com>
	<20090102035858.GA47374@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<67E44E965292495FAFCC45C166770D67@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <20090102202742.GA53932@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Ashley,

They haven't managed yet to eject me from school, so I'm still a student.  
I am presently studying special education at the elementary level, although 
some significant complications of others' making are causing me to consider 
another direction in my career.

Joseph

On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 01:03:09PM -0500, Ashley  Bramlett wrote:
> Joeseph,
> I didn't know  you were albino; haven't seen many in nfb.
> Are you still in school?
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"  
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
>> Jess,
>>
>> Albinos officially rule, that's all I have to say on that subject.  *grin*
>>
>> I've found the hard way that "visually impaired", particularly given a  
>> sunny day, meant that I wasn't terribly well prepared.  That's me 
>> though, I'm a little more sensitive to it than some.  Still, I was 
>> raised to be sighted, not blind, and when I couldn't see, I was usually 
>> afraid of the outcome.  Worse, I couldn't see a lot more than I ever 
>> wanted to admit, even to myself.
>>
>> I found the NFB was largely willing to let me live in my delusion as 
>> long as I wanted to, but when I realized just how bad it was, they were 
>> the first and really the only support I had in my effort to do 
>> something about it.
>>
>> I think there is much to be found in the Federation, though it's been 
>> my experience that I get out some function of what I put into this  
>> organization.  I've gotten more, to be sure, but an organization OF the 
>> blind cannot function without the blind who are its membership.
>>
>> Welcome to the list, and hopefully to the organization as well.  We 
>> need more albinos to keep all of these pigmentationally typical people 
>> in line.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 06:47:04PM -0500, Jessica Trask wrote:
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just  
>>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in 
>>> Watervliet New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally 
>>> blind. I'm visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. 
>>> I'm currently doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through 
>>> Ashworth University I just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was 
>>> involved with the American Council for the Blind local chapter in my 
>>> area as well as in Vermont and Utah. I was also involved with the 
>>> National Alliance of Blind students which is the ACB'S student 
>>> affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jess
>>> Jessica Trask
>>>
>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit  
>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
>> nabs-l:
  
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 
>> 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 21:20:34 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:20:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0901021155l1d5d7fa7l571f995517fe66a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com><COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0901021155l1d5d7fa7l571f995517fe66a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAMAw3PMeUKVIk97I5W8rowwBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Not that I have anything against nerds, but that is exactly my point.
Although I am sure there are less technology oriented means of living life,
I would like to help advocate an easier way of utilizing the technology that
is available. 

Some of this is a matter of pulling resources and construct other things
into a user friendly format. I had the privilege to volunteer with a high
school transition program this past summer, and the students had no
technology training of their respective software or devices. One young girl
that was a joy to work with, had both Jaws and a Braille note, but only new
basic navigation and computer processing concepts on the laptop, and had a
Braille note that apparently no one could get online. Although I felt that
the students learned a decent amount in the eight weeks I had them, there is
still plenty more that I would love to share in order to feel confident of
their college experience. 

I get that there are a lot of resources and more so that the computer
experience with a blind user is completely different than that of our
sighted peers. An old room mate of mine was a Computer Science major, and he
had a very difficult time grasping how I understood and maneuvered my
computer. Although he was a huge help in other areas, as we tackled
questions of accessibility with wireless routers, ftp servers, and we are
currently working on web servers. I sold my old room mate to the vision of
making normal software accessible, and him and I are both occasionally
writing Google as they seem to be a great advocate. Then again I am spending
endless hours of my own time learning this stuff, and unfortunately leave
many blind peers behind. Trying to figure out some bridges to teach and
offer at least some tools for people to learn would be great. Especially as
I am self taught, and do not know of many resources for the blind.

Mandarino,

P.S

Has anyone else noticed that this list serve is a little slow? Not to
mention that I received an email in which someone was requesting more
information about a Maryland get together, but it took fifteen minutes for
me to get the original post that he apparently already responded to.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Beth
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction

I'm also a self-taught computer nerd, but no matter what, I'll never
be as nerdy as the men in my family. lol
Beth

On 1/2/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Albert,
>
> I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
> whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer
training.
> Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
> never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
> things for grade school students that are visually impaired?
>
> I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
> the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
> very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
> obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well.
>
> The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
> access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
> computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
> unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
> software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
> peers.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
> Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to
write
> on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade
> would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they
are
> called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my
> bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
> Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
> hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the
Blind.>
>> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
> Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
> anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l
mailing
> list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
> mail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
ail.com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
mail.com



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  2 21:26:02 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:26:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com><COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1204B00A0FF1425A94ECDA069A9A1BDE@D1GMNL91>

Hi,
Yes there are instructors for the visually impaired who teach technology. 
At least in my area they are.  There are assistive technology tutors at the 
lighthouse for the blind.
There are also people who contract with our department for the blind who go 
to clients or meet at the office
to teach technology like Jaws, Zoomtext or PacMate.
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hey Albert,
>
> I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
> whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer 
> training.
> Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
> never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
> things for grade school students that are visually impaired?
>
> I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
> the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
> very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
> obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well.
>
> The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
> access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
> computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
> unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
> software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
> peers.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
> Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to 
> write
> on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade
> would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they 
> are
> called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my
> bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
> Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
> hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the 
> Blind.>
>> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
> Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
> anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l 
> mailing
> list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
> mail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Fri Jan  2 23:41:13 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:41:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W6670C6FCB39947C0C2FEBC8BE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEJMCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

Albert,
I didn't know that you were from Maryland. Most of our students are from
Baltimore. I am not from Baltimore but I'm going to college there. Where are
you from in Maryland? Transportation may be a problem, but I know that some
student divissions have conference calls, and if we have one, we'd love to
have you participate.
Rachel

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Albert Yoo
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:02 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events



Rachel, is the Maryland meeting for maryland blind students in Baltimore? I
think I would have transportation problems to meet other blind students in
Maryland? How many students are in the blind students division of Maryland?
Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date:
Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > Hi
everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> happy
new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind>
Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't>
had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am
going> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering
if you> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing
lately?> Rachel> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l
mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To !
 unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
.com
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywher
e_122008
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 00:09:22 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:09:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com><COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com><4383d01d0901021155l1d5d7fa7l571f995517fe66a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAMAw3PMeUKVIk97I5W8rowwBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08AACEB9BADF42A19AA557BF3D2DF7C9@Dezman>

Yes, unfortunately since training materials that cater to assistive 
technology are hard to come by, and since people using the same tools we use 
to access the computer aren't as ubiquious as with our sighted friends, I 
find often that user manuals that come with the products and just a simple 
desire to explore and play around with the technology is key to becoming 
proficient.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Not that I have anything against nerds, but that is exactly my point.
> Although I am sure there are less technology oriented means of living 
> life,
> I would like to help advocate an easier way of utilizing the technology 
> that
> is available.
>
> Some of this is a matter of pulling resources and construct other things
> into a user friendly format. I had the privilege to volunteer with a high
> school transition program this past summer, and the students had no
> technology training of their respective software or devices. One young 
> girl
> that was a joy to work with, had both Jaws and a Braille note, but only 
> new
> basic navigation and computer processing concepts on the laptop, and had a
> Braille note that apparently no one could get online. Although I felt that
> the students learned a decent amount in the eight weeks I had them, there 
> is
> still plenty more that I would love to share in order to feel confident of
> their college experience.
>
> I get that there are a lot of resources and more so that the computer
> experience with a blind user is completely different than that of our
> sighted peers. An old room mate of mine was a Computer Science major, and 
> he
> had a very difficult time grasping how I understood and maneuvered my
> computer. Although he was a huge help in other areas, as we tackled
> questions of accessibility with wireless routers, ftp servers, and we are
> currently working on web servers. I sold my old room mate to the vision of
> making normal software accessible, and him and I are both occasionally
> writing Google as they seem to be a great advocate. Then again I am 
> spending
> endless hours of my own time learning this stuff, and unfortunately leave
> many blind peers behind. Trying to figure out some bridges to teach and
> offer at least some tools for people to learn would be great. Especially 
> as
> I am self taught, and do not know of many resources for the blind.
>
> Mandarino,
>
> P.S
>
> Has anyone else noticed that this list serve is a little slow? Not to
> mention that I received an email in which someone was requesting more
> information about a Maryland get together, but it took fifteen minutes for
> me to get the original post that he apparently already responded to.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Beth
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:55 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
> I'm also a self-taught computer nerd, but no matter what, I'll never
> be as nerdy as the men in my family. lol
> Beth
>
> On 1/2/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hey Albert,
>>
>> I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
>> whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer
> training.
>> Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
>> never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
>> things for grade school students that are visually impaired?
>>
>> I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
>> the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
>> very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
>> obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well.
>>
>> The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
>> access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
>> computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
>> unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
>> software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
>> peers.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mandarino
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
>> of Albert Yoo
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>
>>
>> Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to
> write
>> on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What 
>> grade
>> would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they
> are
>> called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
>> [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get 
>> my
>> bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
>> Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
>> hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the
> Blind.>
>>> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
>> Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
>> anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l
> mailing
>> list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
>> .com
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR.
>> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
>> mail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
> ail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
> mail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:29:31 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:29:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member
References: <df5bac6d0901021039s79111c15sc52c59d8ba69e665@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c96d3f$9425eb10$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi welcome to the list. My name is Rania, I am taking massage therapy at my 
local community college. You will learn lots from the list. Feel free to 
jump in at any time.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member


> Hi Everyone! I wish all of you a happy and joyous new year. My name is
> Merisa Musemic. I am currently a graduate student at Wayne State
> University, where I am studying rehab. counseling.
> I look forward to getting to know you, share ideas, and meeting you at
> the convention, which will be "very far from me" 45 minutes.
> Merisa
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com 



From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  3 02:01:37 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:01:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEJMCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <COL115-W6670C6FCB39947C0C2FEBC8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEJMCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W174D72A6847C1CF1811A338BE30@phx.gbl>


Rachel, I am not from Maryland I am from Virginia and I know Virginia doesn't have a very active student division. I know baltimore is far would there a way to go to baltimore using the Mark train? How much does the mark train cost? Wouldn't students meet in Maryland? Would there be a way you could set up a tour of the national center as one of the activities for Maryland students? Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:41:13 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events> > Albert,> I didn't know that you were from Maryland. Most of our students are from> Baltimore. I am not from Baltimore but I'm going to college there. Where are> you from in Maryland? Transportation may be a problem, but I know that some> student divissions have conference calls, and if we have one, we'd love to> have you participate.> Rachel> > -----Original Message-----> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On> Behalf Of Albert Yoo> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:02 PM> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events> > > > Rachel, is the Maryland meeting for maryland blind students in Baltimore? I> think I would have transportation problems to meet other blind students in> Maryland? How many students are in the blind students division of Maryland?> Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date:> Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > Hi> everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> happy> new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind>> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't>> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am> going> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering> if you> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing> lately?> Rachel> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l> mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To !> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail> .com> _________________________________________________________________> Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywher> e_122008> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu> ltants.com> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster.
http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  3 02:07:51 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:07:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEJMCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <DB2428BE1A40482B8BE5B210229384B6@D1GMNL91>

Albert is not from Maryland Rachel. He is in my state but we don't have an 
active student group.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events


> Albert,
> I didn't know that you were from Maryland. Most of our students are from
> Baltimore. I am not from Baltimore but I'm going to college there. Where 
> are
> you from in Maryland? Transportation may be a problem, but I know that 
> some
> student divissions have conference calls, and if we have one, we'd love to
> have you participate.
> Rachel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
>
>
>
> Rachel, is the Maryland meeting for maryland blind students in Baltimore? 
> I
> think I would have transportation problems to meet other blind students in
> Maryland? How many students are in the blind students division of 
> Maryland?
> Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date:
> Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > Hi
> everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> 
> happy
> new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind>
> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't>
> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am
> going> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was 
> wondering
> if you> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been 
> doing
> lately?> Rachel> > > _______________________________________________> 
> nabs-l
> mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To !
> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywher
> e_122008
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
> ltants.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 02:41:58 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:41:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member
Message-ID: <010320090241.27110.495ED0760000506A000069E62207300793010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello marissa,

welcome back to the land of nabs! we had missed you here. yes, i do remember you when i lived in michigan. this is amy sabo and you probably don't remember me since it's been a long time ago but, i'm still in colorado and will hopefully graduate next fall with my ba in communications.

i'm glad that you are doing well! and, please don't be a stranger here... we are all here for you and just know that you aren't alone here... well, that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
from amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com> 

> Hi Everyone! I wish all of you a happy and joyous new year. My name is 
> Merisa Musemic. I am currently a graduate student at Wayne State 
> University, where I am studying rehab. counseling. 
> I look forward to getting to know you, share ideas, and meeting you at 
> the convention, which will be "very far from me" 45 minutes. 
> Merisa 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 02:47:14 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:47:14 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <010320090247.1402.495ED1B1000BC9690000057A2207300793010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello all,

first of all i want to officially welcome all the new people who have joined this list recently. i'm sorry that i haven't introduced myself to you all personally so, i'm going to do is,
from amyt all at once. my name is amy sabo and i'm from colorado but, i'm originally from michigan which is where i'm now until next saturday. i have been in michigan for the holidays visiting with family.

i attend the university of colorado-denver where i'm majoring in communications with a minor in political science. but, after this past semester which was a very bad one for me academically i have decided to transfer to metro state college in denver to finish my academic career there and finally graduate in the fall of 2009 or in the spring of 2010.

please feel free to share ideas, give advice, ask questions, or just vent! or, just listen and read the list. whatever you decide to do we are all here for you all! and, know that you aren't alone and that we are all here to change what it means to be a blind student. well, that's all for now take care and i will talk to you all soon!


hugs alway

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> 

> Hi, 
> Yes there are instructors for the visually impaired who teach technology. 
> At least in my area they are. There are assistive technology tutors at the 
> lighthouse for the blind. 
> There are also people who contract with our department for the blind who go 
> to clients or meet at the office 
> to teach technology like Jaws, Zoomtext or PacMate. 
> Ashley 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jason Mandarino" 
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:40 PM 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction 
> 
> 
> > Hey Albert, 
> > 
> > I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if 
> > whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer 
> > training. 
> > Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have 
> > never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such 
> > things for grade school students that are visually impaired? 
> > 
> > I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and 
> > the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not 
> > very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to 
> > obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well. 
> > 
> > The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more 
> > access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the 
> > computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and 
> > unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new 
> > software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted 
> > peers. 
> > 
> > Sincerely, 
> > 
> > Mandarino 
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> > Behalf 
> > of Albert Yoo 
> > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM 
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction 
> > 
> > 
> > Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to 
> > write 
> > on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade 
> > would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they 
> > are 
> > called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To: 
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re: 
> > [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my 
> > bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and 
> > Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to 
> > hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the 
> > Blind.> 
> >> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access 
> > Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility 
> > anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l 
> > mailing 
> > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, 
> > change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> 
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail 
> > .com 
> > _________________________________________________________________ 
> > Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR. 
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/ 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > nabs-l mailing list 
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > nabs-l: 
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g 
> > mail.com 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > nabs-l mailing list 
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > nabs-l: 
> > 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. 
> net 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Sat Jan  3 03:04:49 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 22:04:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <DB2428BE1A40482B8BE5B210229384B6@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJIEJOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I saw a message on the list that you were trying to have a conference call
soon to get things going again.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events


Albert is not from Maryland Rachel. He is in my state but we don't have an
active student group.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events


> Albert,
> I didn't know that you were from Maryland. Most of our students are from
> Baltimore. I am not from Baltimore but I'm going to college there. Where
> are
> you from in Maryland? Transportation may be a problem, but I know that
> some
> student divissions have conference calls, and if we have one, we'd love to
> have you participate.
> Rachel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
>
>
>
> Rachel, is the Maryland meeting for maryland blind students in Baltimore?
> I
> think I would have transportation problems to meet other blind students in
> Maryland? How many students are in the blind students division of
> Maryland?
> Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date:
> Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > Hi
> everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a>
> happy
> new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind>
> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't>
> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am
> going> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was
> wondering
> if you> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been
> doing
> lately?> Rachel> > > _______________________________________________>
> nabs-l
> mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To !
> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:>
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
>
http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywher
> e_122008
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
> ltants.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl
ink.net


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com



From corbbo at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 08:22:59 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association
	People with disabilities internship for the summer?
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>

Hi Albert,

I participated last summer -- feel free to e-mail me off-list with  
questions.

Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 2, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:



_________________________________________________________________
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows  
Vista®.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Jan  3 15:33:38 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:33:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090101234704.5313.64323@biff.serotek.com><A8BBE973454847EEB51B9D55A34824AD@D1GMNL91><002f01c96c79$f7547600$0601a8c0@Serene>
	<3DA1EE2B6ED24825BD2332CFCA33B1ED@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <005b01c96db8$a6af34c0$0601a8c0@Serene>

Ok I guess I missunderstood you.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Cerena,
> Yes there are ACB members on here and NFB members on ACB lists.  What I 
> meant though is you cannot join both organizations.  You can join any list 
> you want though.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
>> Ashley, I see what you mean about "If you decide to be in NFB, you can't 
>> be in ACB," but I'm sure there are members of this list who are in ACB 
>> and it doesn't much affect their contributions to and what they learn 
>> from the list.  Jessica, if you end up choosing ACB, feel free to still 
>> contribute to this list, as well.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>
>>
>>> Jessica,
>>>
>>> Welcome.  I assume you have your reasons for switching from ACB to NFB. 
>>> NFB is more active.  The ACB has only seven student divisions last I 
>>> checked. Good luck with your decission.  But if you join nfb you cannot 
>>> be in ACB. They are opposite groups; so you decide what best fits your 
>>> ideas.
>>> I've seen you on the other list.  I am Ashley and a senior at Marymount 
>>> university.  Good luck in your studies.  Do you want to get a BA after 
>>> your associates.  I would assume you desire to teach.  Good career path. 
>>> Do you read braille?
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jessica Trask" <jess28 at samobile.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just 
>>>> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
>>>> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet 
>>>> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm 
>>>> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently 
>>>> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University 
>>>> I just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the 
>>>> American Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in 
>>>> Vermont and Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of 
>>>> Blind students which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in 
>>>> Utah.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jess
>>>> Jessica Trask
>>>>
>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Jan  3 15:51:05 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 10:51:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com><COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c96dbb$16beba40$0601a8c0@Serene>

Hi Mr. Manderino

In NJ, the Commission provides computer trainign to youth through companies 
they contract with throughout the state.  My computer teacher was blind and 
it worked out well.

Also, just curious, why do you write your name at the end of your emails as 
"Manderino," even though your name in the "from" part of your emails says 
"Jason Manderino?"

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hey Albert,
>
> I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
> whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer 
> training.
> Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
> never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
> things for grade school students that are visually impaired?
>
> I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
> the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
> very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
> obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well.
>
> The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
> access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
> computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
> unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
> software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
> peers.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
> Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to 
> write
> on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade
> would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they 
> are
> called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my
> bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
> Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
> hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the 
> Blind.>
>> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
> Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
> anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l 
> mailing
> list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
> mail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 17:20:26 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:20:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction: T. Joseph and Jessica and All
In-Reply-To: <20090102035858.GA47374@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <495f9e5e.060ec00a.2f69.225d@mx.google.com>

Greetings Joseph and Jessica and all,

The NOPBC is creating new links and pages for our website. I have found that
early on for parents they find it beneficial and supportive to connect to
information about others with the same eye condition causes as their child.
I have had an unusually high (nearly a stampede) of families with children
who have albinism this past fall. In every case the families had been told
their child was either not "blind enough" to receive services at all beyond
some magnification or at least no Braille or cane services. Most of the
families had gotten previous information from NOAH which was very
discouraging towards Braille and cane use the use of the word blind. 

In creating pages for parents on similar eye conditions I am getting a
section on albinism. I am putting up "letters" to parents from people who
are already raising successfully (with non-visual techniques) a child with
albinism and blindness with low vision and also from people who have this
condition themselves. Additionally I have become aware of some of the unique
experiences to albinism with no pigment that those who have it experience
from the public. I hope either or both of you would consider writing a
personal feel "letter to a parent" (no longer than two pages)about your
experiences growing up and how you coped with these issues. If you are
interested please email me offlist at carrie.gilmer at gmail.com for details.

Any others: people who have gone through cancer treatments, prosthetic eyes,
eyes that have scarring and may have been teased from the appearance of the
eye, really any and all eye conditions that exist...including unknowns and
accident, I hope to have a page for each with personal experiences. If
anyone wishes to contribute please email me privately for more specific
details on how we want the letters written.

Sincerely,

 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction

Jess,

Albinos officially rule, that's all I have to say on that subject.  *grin*

I've found the hard way that "visually impaired", particularly given a 
sunny day, meant that I wasn't terribly well prepared.  That's me though, 
I'm a little more sensitive to it than some.  Still, I was raised to be 
sighted, not blind, and when I couldn't see, I was usually afraid of the 
outcome.  Worse, I couldn't see a lot more than I ever wanted to admit, 
even to myself.

I found the NFB was largely willing to let me live in my delusion as long 
as I wanted to, but when I realized just how bad it was, they were the 
first and really the only support I had in my effort to do something about 
it.

I think there is much to be found in the Federation, though it's been my 
experience that I get out some function of what I put into this 
organization.  I've gotten more, to be sure, but an organization OF the 
blind cannot function without the blind who are its membership.

Welcome to the list, and hopefully to the organization as well.  We need 
more albinos to keep all of these pigmentationally typical people in line.

Joseph

On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 06:47:04PM -0500, Jessica Trask wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> I'm considering joining the National Federation of the Blind. I just  
> thought I would take a few minutes and introduce myself.
> My name is Jessica Trask. I'm a 28 year old female living in Watervliet  
> New York with my fiancee Christopher Reagan who is totally blind. I'm  
> visually impaired. Visual Impairment caused by Albinism. I'm currently  
> doing an Early Childhood Associates Degree through Ashworth University I 
> just started yesterday when I enrolled. I was involved with the American 
> Council for the Blind local chapter in my area as well as in Vermont and 
> Utah. I was also involved with the National Alliance of Blind students 
> which is the ACB'S student affiliate when I lived in Utah.
>
> -- 
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit  
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gma
il.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 19:23:49 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:23:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member
In-Reply-To: <010320090241.27110.495ED0760000506A000069E62207300793010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
References: <010320090241.27110.495ED0760000506A000069E62207300793010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901031123x4106729i62345f8743d2a3b7@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Amy! I do remember you. I am glad you are doing well.


On 1/2/09, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
> hello marissa,
>
> welcome back to the land of nabs! we had missed you here. yes, i do remember
> you when i lived in michigan. this is amy sabo and you probably don't
> remember me since it's been a long time ago but, i'm still in colorado and
> will hopefully graduate next fall with my ba in communications.
>
> i'm glad that you are doing well! and, please don't be a stranger here... we
> are all here for you and just know that you aren't alone here... well,
> that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon!
>
>
> hugs,
> from amy
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
>
>> Hi Everyone! I wish all of you a happy and joyous new year. My name is
>> Merisa Musemic. I am currently a graduate student at Wayne State
>> University, where I am studying rehab. counseling.
>> I look forward to getting to know you, share ideas, and meeting you at
>> the convention, which will be "very far from me" 45 minutes.
>> Merisa
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>


From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 19:50:55 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:50:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <009f01c96dbb$16beba40$0601a8c0@Serene>
References: <20090102143900.11881.19310@biff.serotek.com><COL115-W79B51EE6D085612811C7F38BE20@phx.gbl><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAHNR2hYfjfZKt1ZcQfqCuKQBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<009f01c96dbb$16beba40$0601a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAKFSgWaUiqFOgbZ/3mCQuJ4BAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hey Serena,

I am curious if I could get more information regarding that NFB service. My
initial reason for joining the NFB is to provide assistive technology
training for the visually impaired in my area, and I have been obtaining a
range of networks to get a grasp of what kind of need there may be for
assistive technology training. 

Regardless I would love to know how the Jersey chapter has worked out some
of those services as I am unaware of any opportunities with either the state
of Michigan or Georgia. I do believe there are some opportunities in
Atlanta, and of course there is a school for the blind, but outside those
two sources there does not seem to be much. Email me if you wouldn't mind,
and I would love to talk to you more about that.

Sincerely,

Mandarino,

P.S

I guess the name thing is habit, although you signed your name on your email
as well!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Serena
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:51 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction

Hi Mr. Manderino

In NJ, the Commission provides computer trainign to youth through companies 
they contract with throughout the state.  My computer teacher was blind and 
it worked out well.

Also, just curious, why do you write your name at the end of your emails as 
"Manderino," even though your name in the "from" part of your emails says 
"Jason Manderino?"

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hey Albert,
>
> I am intrigued by a part of your message to Jessica. You were asking if
> whether she was thinking about specializing in Braille or computer 
> training.
> Outside of college programs such as the Commission for the Blind, I have
> never met a computer instructor for the visually impaired. Are there such
> things for grade school students that are visually impaired?
>
> I only ask for technology was quite the fight for me in grade school, and
> the RESA system hat provided the Brail and mobility instructors were not
> very helpful in the technology arena. I had to find alternative means to
> obtain what I wanted, but that also meant having to train myself as well.
>
> The technology learning curve can be steep, and I would like to see more
> access to practical resources for upcoming youth. I did not find the
> computer classes that my public high school offered to be any help, and
> unless you have the interest to invest endless hours into learning new
> software or hardware, you will be ineffective compared to your sighted
> peers.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> of Albert Yoo
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:46 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction
>
>
> Jessica would you have to do student teaching? Would there be help to 
> write
> on the braille writer or teach the blind students the computer? What grade
> would you teach? Would you be a vision teacher tvi is what I think they 
> are
> called? Teacher of the visually impaired> From: jess28 at samobile.net> To:
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:39:00 -0500> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l] Introduction> > Ashley,> Yes I want to teach. I'm going to get my
> bachelors degree and then my > masters degree in Teacher of the Blind and
> Visually Impaired. I don't > currently read Braille but I'm going to
> hopefully be learning grade two > through the Hadley School for the 
> Blind.>
>> -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access
> Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility
> anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l 
> mailing
> list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
> .com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows VistaR.
> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
> mail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizo
n.net 


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
mail.com



From jess28 at samobile.net  Sat Jan  3 21:15:33 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:15:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <20090103211533.2184.84447@biff.serotek.com>

Albert,
I'm planning to get a Masters Degree in teaching Blind and Visually 
Impaired Students which means school age students grades pre-k through 
12 or k-12. Or I'm interested in becoming a certified Assistive 
Technology trainer. Which I need to do more research about actually.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  3 21:22:36 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:22:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member
References: <010320090241.27110.495ED0760000506A000069E62207300793010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
	<df5bac6d0901031123x4106729i62345f8743d2a3b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B197386490524B6294B6C7AE0D4F78D2@D1GMNL91>

Merisa,
I think you were on here before and rejoined. Welcome. Does your state have 
a student division?  What career are you going into after grad school?  I am 
Ashley.  I am finishing my BA degree at Marymount university.  I enjoy 
reading, music, and working out.
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member


> Yes Amy! I do remember you. I am glad you are doing well.
>
>
> On 1/2/09, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>> hello marissa,
>>
>> welcome back to the land of nabs! we had missed you here. yes, i do 
>> remember
>> you when i lived in michigan. this is amy sabo and you probably don't
>> remember me since it's been a long time ago but, i'm still in colorado 
>> and
>> will hopefully graduate next fall with my ba in communications.
>>
>> i'm glad that you are doing well! and, please don't be a stranger here... 
>> we
>> are all here for you and just know that you aren't alone here... well,
>> that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon!
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> from amy
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hi Everyone! I wish all of you a happy and joyous new year. My name is
>>> Merisa Musemic. I am currently a graduate student at Wayne State
>>> University, where I am studying rehab. counseling.
>>> I look forward to getting to know you, share ideas, and meeting you at
>>> the convention, which will be "very far from me" 45 minutes.
>>> Merisa
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 22:11:15 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 22:11:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
Message-ID: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello all,

first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far! anyway, i know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search for free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for them and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use them emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was wondering which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?

thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!



hugs,
from amy

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  3 22:25:15 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 17:25:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91>

Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.  Youtube is 
the best one I can think of.
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads


> hello all,
>
> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far! anyway, i 
> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search for 
> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for them 
> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use them 
> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was wondering 
> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>
> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>
>
>
> hugs,
> from amy
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net 



From spaulding.scott at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 23:14:26 2009
From: spaulding.scott at gmail.com (Scott Spaulding)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:14:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20090103211533.2184.84447@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090103211533.2184.84447@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <495ff160.1d3e400a.79a0.ffffb1e0@mx.google.com>

I'm interested in the assistive technology certifications as well. I haven't
had much luck looking them up online though.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jessica Trask
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:16 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction

Albert,
I'm planning to get a Masters Degree in teaching Blind and Visually 
Impaired Students which means school age students grades pre-k through 
12 or k-12. Or I'm interested in becoming a certified Assistive 
Technology trainer. Which I need to do more research about actually.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm
ail.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009
1:10 PM



From braille at nbpcb.org  Sun Jan  4 00:23:35 2009
From: braille at nbpcb.org (Braille Certification)
Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:23:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Test Deadline January 9
Message-ID: <auto-000081558808@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Hello all,

Thanks for helping us get the word out about the upcoming NCLB 
Braille test at Washington Seminar. I'm writing to let you know that 
the deadline has been extended to this Friday, January 9th. The flyer 
is below and is also attached as a Word document. Please forward this 
information to those you think will be interested. Thanks for your 
efforts on our behalf.

Best regards,

Louise

Louise G. Walch
NBPCB Coordinator
210-464-6144
<mailto:Braille at nbpcb.org>Braille at nbpcb.org
www.nbpcb.org

-----

Application Deadline Extended to January 9



THE NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN

LITERARY BRAILLE (NCLB)



As you may be aware, the National Literary Braille Competency Test 
(NLBCT) of the National Library Service (NLS) has been transferred to 
the administration of the National Blindness Professional 
Certification Board (NBPCB). With the NLBCT as its cornerstone, the 
NBPCB has established the National Certification in Literary Braille 
(NCLB), which is a complete professional credential that requires 
recertification on a five year cycle. Individuals who were certified 
with the NLBCT prior to 2006 will need to retest through the NBPCB; 
however, the initial fee may be waived if the applicant can show 
proof of original NLBCT credential.



The NCLB is currently the only nationally recognized certification in 
literary Braille. The examination has not been substantially changed 
from its earlier version once administered by the NLS, however a five 
year recertification requirement has been instituted in the interest 
of maintaining high standards. The exam is not aimed at transcribers. 
Rather, it is a valid test of a person's ability to competently read, 
write, and understand contracted, literary Braille, and is being 
targeted to all individuals who teach Braille professionally, and/or 
those seeking to be credentialed in this area.



The next scheduled exam open for certification and recertification in 2009 is:



Date:               Saturday, February 7, 2009

Time:               8:00am-5:00pm (Doors close 8:30am)

Location:         Holiday Inn Capitol (<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 
ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Columbia II)

550 C Street SW

Washington, DC 20024

Cost:                $250 combined application/testing fee

Deadline:        Friday, January 9, 2009

                         (or $275 late registration January 10-25)



Subsequent NCLB examinations will be convened wherever an appropriate 
venue can be procured, and sufficient applicant numbers make it 
possible. Please contact the NBPCB for more details.



To apply online go to:

<http://www.nbpcb.org/nclb/application/>http://www.nbpcb.org/nclb/application/





or to download the NCLB Candidate Guidelines please visit:

<http://www.nbpcb.org/nclb/>http://www.nbpcb.org/nclb/





For additional information please visit the NBPCB website at: 
<http://www.nbpcb.org/>www.nbpcb.org, call the NBPCB office at (318) 
257-4554, or contact Louise Walch, NBPCB Coordinator, at: 
<http://mail.nbpcb.org/src/compose.php?send_to=braille%40nbpcb.org>braille at nbpcb.org.


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 
1/3/2009 2:14 PM
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: Flyer NCLB DC1.doc
Type: application/msword
Size: 31744 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/attachments/20090103/b95ef909/attachment.doc>

From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 00:22:57 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:22:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
In-Reply-To: <1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91>
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
	<1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
Thanks!
Merisa

On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.  Youtube is
> the best one I can think of.
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> hello all,
>>
>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far! anyway, i
>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search for
>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for them
>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use them
>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was wondering
>>
>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>
>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> from amy
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>


From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 00:25:17 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 19:25:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Member
In-Reply-To: <B197386490524B6294B6C7AE0D4F78D2@D1GMNL91>
References: <010320090241.27110.495ED0760000506A000069E62207300793010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
	<df5bac6d0901031123x4106729i62345f8743d2a3b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<B197386490524B6294B6C7AE0D4F78D2@D1GMNL91>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901031625m83f763aldd9826178f06ff1e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ashley! Yes, Michigan, does have a student division. I am about to
become a part of it. I'll be glad to talk to you about my school
hobbies, but let's email privately.
merisa.musemic at gmail.com

On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Merisa,
> I think you were on here before and rejoined. Welcome. Does your state have
> a student division?  What career are you going into after grad school?  I am
> Ashley.  I am finishing my BA degree at Marymount university.  I enjoy
> reading, music, and working out.
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Member
>
>
>> Yes Amy! I do remember you. I am glad you are doing well.
>>
>>
>> On 1/2/09, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> hello marissa,
>>>
>>> welcome back to the land of nabs! we had missed you here. yes, i do
>>> remember
>>> you when i lived in michigan. this is amy sabo and you probably don't
>>> remember me since it's been a long time ago but, i'm still in colorado
>>> and
>>> will hopefully graduate next fall with my ba in communications.
>>>
>>> i'm glad that you are doing well! and, please don't be a stranger here...
>>>
>>> we
>>> are all here for you and just know that you aren't alone here... well,
>>> that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon!
>>>
>>>
>>> hugs,
>>> from amy
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message --------------
>>> From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi Everyone! I wish all of you a happy and joyous new year. My name is
>>>> Merisa Musemic. I am currently a graduate student at Wayne State
>>>> University, where I am studying rehab. counseling.
>>>> I look forward to getting to know you, share ideas, and meeting you at
>>>> the convention, which will be "very far from me" 45 minutes.
>>>> Merisa
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  4 01:07:20 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:07:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <495ff160.1d3e400a.79a0.ffffb1e0@mx.google.com>
References: <20090103211533.2184.84447@biff.serotek.com>
	<495ff160.1d3e400a.79a0.ffffb1e0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W4947090C551E5C19AF277F8BE00@phx.gbl>


Scott, have you the California State University Northridge assistive technology certification? Go to www.csun.edu Albert> From: spaulding.scott at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:14:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction> > I'm interested in the assistive technology certifications as well. I haven't> had much luck looking them up online though.> > -----Original Message-----> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf> Of Jessica Trask> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:16 PM> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction> > Albert,> I'm planning to get a Masters Degree in teaching Blind and Visually > Impaired Students which means school age students grades pre-k through > 12 or k-12. Or I'm interested in becoming a certified Assistive > Technology trainer. Which I need to do more research about actually.> > -- > Jess> Jessica Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for> nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm> ail.com> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009> 1:10 PM> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.
http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008

From corbbo at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 06:03:34 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 01:03:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
In-Reply-To: <df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
	<1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91>
	<df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>

Merisa,

You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic  
of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader  
if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate  
for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones  
that I typically use.

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:

Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
Thanks!
Merisa

On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.   
> Youtube is
> the best one I can think of.
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> hello all,
>>
>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!  
>> anyway, i
>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search  
>> for
>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for  
>> them
>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use  
>> them
>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>> wondering
>>
>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>
>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> from amy
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From spaulding.scott at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 12:52:03 2009
From: spaulding.scott at gmail.com (Scott Spaulding)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 07:52:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W4947090C551E5C19AF277F8BE00@phx.gbl>
References: <20090103211533.2184.84447@biff.serotek.com>	<495ff160.1d3e400a.79a0.ffffb1e0@mx.google.com>
	<COL115-W4947090C551E5C19AF277F8BE00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4960b101.0c2d400a.64ae.1441@mx.google.com>

This is the first I've heard of it. I've already got an AA degree and I'm
working on a BA in Communication.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Albert Yoo
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:07 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction


Scott, have you the California State University Northridge assistive
technology certification? Go to www.csun.edu Albert> From:
spaulding.scott at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009
18:14:26 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction> > I'm interested in the
assistive technology certifications as well. I haven't> had much luck
looking them up online though.> > -----Original Message-----> From:
nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf> Of
Jessica Trask> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:16 PM> To:
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction> > Albert,> I'm
planning to get a Masters Degree in teaching Blind and Visually > Impaired
Students which means school age students grades pre-k through > 12 or k-12.
Or I'm interested in becoming a certified Assistive > Technology trainer.
Which I need to do more research about actually.> > -- > Jess> Jessica
Trask> > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.> >
_______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list>
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for>
nabs-l:>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm
> ail.com> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG -
http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 -
Release Date: 1/2/2009> 1:10 PM> > >
_______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list>
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
.com
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.
http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12
2008
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm
ail.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1872 - Release Date: 1/2/2009
1:10 PM



From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 17:11:15 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:11:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Birthday L. Braille!
Message-ID: <4960edb7.1f2d400a.5a24.ffff856a@mx.google.com>

Greetings All,

 

Today we celebrate the 200th anniversary of the birth of the inventor of
Braille. Visit www.braille.org <http://www.braille.org/>  and watch the
video Braille: Unlocking the Code. Sign on to the NFB initiatives of Braille
literacy. Take part in initiatives with us.  Send friends and family and
teachers to the site! This is the year where we all will, in unprecedented
ways, shout it from the roof-tops-and the world will come to understand:
Braille is reading, it is equal to print and the blind desire and need to
read as much as anyone else! 

 

Attend an event in your area if there is one! Celebrate with a piece of
cake-have a birthday party with your kids or your friends! 

 

Braille Readers Are Leaders! 

 

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

 


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 20:19:01 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 14:19:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The First Djd Invasion Of 2009 Airs Tonight
Message-ID: <BE5322C9FC5F44AEB181E99EAE79587C@DavidsDataPortal>

Hello To All, and A Very Happy New Year!!!
The Djd Invasion show returns to its normal time slot at 8 PM central (9 PM eastern) for the first Djd Invasion show of 2009!
The show will be aired live from my friend Will's comfortable studios in Massachusetts, and he'll be co hosting the show!!!
This is going to be a show filled with upbeat music, some oldies, and good times and laughs!!!
If you'd like to join in the celebration of a brand new year in Djd Invasion land, you can listen, but your calls and messages will be welcome too.
You can send msn messages to
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
aol instant messages to
djdrocks
or when we're not playing songs, you can feel free to pick up the phone and give us a call and talk to us live! The phone number you'll want to dial is
1-516-874-5071
This is going to absolutely rock out, so to join the show, save this email, and at 8 PM central (9 eastern) head on over to
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen.html
to be connected to the program! I look forward to perhaps seeing you there!
Best regards,
David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion internet radio show at
http://www.thedjdinvasion.c om

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 02:43:13 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:43:13 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar!
Message-ID: <b6b933030901041843x58dc2fecjb0e3524d3c198c62@mail.gmail.com>

Dear students,

The time has come again to prepare for another NFB Washington Seminar!
The Washington Seminar will take place from Sunday, February 8, 2009
to Wednesday, February 11, 2009, at the Holiday Inn Capitol in
Washington, D.C.

On Sunday we will have our annual winter meeting for the National
Association of Blind Students from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. This will be
followed by the Great Gathering-In meeting that Dr. Maurer conducts at
5:00 p.m. (Please note: This is a change from past years).

On Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday affiliates will meet with their
state representatives to discuss this year's legislative issues. If
you're attending, talk to your state president to find out when your
state's appointments are scheduled. (While it's a good idea to attend
all three days, it's certainly not required).

If you're going to Washington Seminar and have not yet reserved a room
in the hotel, please talk with your state president to find out
whether a block of rooms is reserved for your state. If there is not a
room block or if you want to room with people from other affiliates,
you can reserve a room by calling Diane McGeorge at
303-778-1130, ext. 219
or emailing Lisa Bonderson at
lbonderson at cocenter.org
Please do not make your reservation with the hotel directly.

See everyone in Washington!

Arielle Silverman
First Vice-President, National Association of Blind Students


From passionflower505 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 03:26:13 2009
From: passionflower505 at yahoo.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 19:26:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar!
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030901041843x58dc2fecjb0e3524d3c198c62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <709714.5079.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Are there going to be any details about the student seminar released? Like what topics will be covered or if there is a charge. Just curious.
Cindy


--- On Sun, 1/4/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar!
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 9:43 PM
> Dear students,
> 
> The time has come again to prepare for another NFB
> Washington Seminar!
> The Washington Seminar will take place from Sunday,
> February 8, 2009
> to Wednesday, February 11, 2009, at the Holiday Inn Capitol
> in
> Washington, D.C.
> 
> On Sunday we will have our annual winter meeting for the
> National
> Association of Blind Students from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
> This will be
> followed by the Great Gathering-In meeting that Dr. Maurer
> conducts at
> 5:00 p.m. (Please note: This is a change from past years).
> 
> On Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday affiliates will meet with
> their
> state representatives to discuss this year's
> legislative issues. If
> you're attending, talk to your state president to find
> out when your
> state's appointments are scheduled. (While it's a
> good idea to attend
> all three days, it's certainly not required).
> 
> If you're going to Washington Seminar and have not yet
> reserved a room
> in the hotel, please talk with your state president to find
> out
> whether a block of rooms is reserved for your state. If
> there is not a
> room block or if you want to room with people from other
> affiliates,
> you can reserve a room by calling Diane McGeorge at
> 303-778-1130, ext. 219
> or emailing Lisa Bonderson at
> lbonderson at cocenter.org
> Please do not make your reservation with the hotel
> directly.
> 
> See everyone in Washington!
> 
> Arielle Silverman
> First Vice-President, National Association of Blind
> Students
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
> account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/passionflower505%40yahoo.com


      


From startrekcafe at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 10:21:11 2009
From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:21:11 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do I Set Up To Play Videos?
Message-ID: <0B38F90FA2E642918E47F6F7E3867107@marvinPC>

Hi.
any one experienced in playing avi or video files on their machines.
tried using winamp, but no audio comes up. if try to play in media classic 
player, it start play the audio, but tells me the time it loads, then it 
stop playing the audio, like encounter at far point 1 and 2 for the next 
generation.
now, how do i get it to play with winamp,
or can i just use good old windows media player or are there any other 
encoders, that i need.
some one did send me an encoder, so might try that.
really annoying.
downloading season one of the next generation.
and now, how to play the damn thing.
even quick time, does not play.
so can any one help me out?
playing video files using jaws?
cheers Marvin.
ps: need expert help, if they have set up the various media players.
e-mail me off list for help.
so do not clog up the list.

E-mail: startrekcafe at gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekcafe at msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One
E-mail: startrekcafe at gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekcafe at msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One 




From jj at bestmidi.com  Mon Jan  5 15:28:35 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 10:28:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar!
References: <709714.5079.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2A965BA05D3A4AFF9757C4D69271F366@jsquared>

Cindy,
We are currently working on an agenda for the student seminar and will post 
it once it's available. Registration is generally $5 for the seminar, and 
more information will be posted as it's available.
Thanks for writing.

J.J. Meddaugh
Secretary,
National Association of Blind Students 



From corbbo at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 17:18:34 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:18:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NYTimes: Touch-screen phones for the blind?
Message-ID: <FCA3C50E-941C-4335-8BCF-706ADD775732@gmail.com>

Hi everybody--

I saw this interesting article in yesterday's New York Times. It talks  
of a man who many of us know as the man who created the Google Labs  
project for accessible search results from Google (accessible pages  
are ranked higher in the results than non-accessible pages). Now, he's  
working on a touch-screen phone that can be used by anybody who isn't  
looking at the screen. I find his approach interesting -- he doesn't  
focus on making products for the blind, but instead focuses on making  
products accessible by anybody not looking at them. Sure, it ends up  
with the same result, but it increases the device's popularity! Plus,  
I find it neat that Mr. Raman wasn't laughed out of the room for  
suggesting that a touch-screen could be used by the blind!

Here's the link, and the article follows below: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/business/04blind.html?pagewanted=1&ref=todayspaper

Happy reading,
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics



The New York Times

January 4, 2009
For the Blind, Technology Does What a Guide Dog Can’t
By MIGUEL HELFT

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.

T. V. RAMAN was a bookish child who developed a love of math and  
puzzles at an early age.

That passion didn’t change after glaucoma took his eyesight at the age  
of 14. What changed is the role that technology — and his own  
innovations — played in helping him pursue his interests.

A native of India, Mr. Raman went from relying on volunteers to read  
him textbooks at a top technical university there to leading a largely  
autonomous life in Silicon Valley, where he is a highly respected  
computer scientist and an engineer at Google.

Along the way, Mr. Raman built a series of tools to help him take  
advantage of objects or technologies that were not designed with blind  
users in mind. They ranged from a Rubik’s Cube covered in Braille to a  
software program that can take complex mathematical formulas and read  
them aloud, which became the subject of his Ph.D. dissertation at  
Cornell. He also built a version of Google’s search service tailored  
for blind users.

Mr. Raman, 43, is now working to modify the latest technological  
gadget that he says could make life easier for blind people: a touch- 
screen phone.

“What Raman does is amazing,” said Paul Schroeder, vice president for  
programs and policy at the American Foundation for the Blind, which  
conducts research on technology that can help visually impaired  
people. “He is a leading thinker on accessibility issues, and his  
capacity to design and alter technology to meet his needs is unique.”

Some of Mr. Raman’s innovations may help make electronic gadgets and  
Web services more user-friendly for everyone. Instead of asking how  
something should work if a person cannot see, he says he prefers to  
ask, “How should something work when the user is not looking at the  
screen?”

Such systems could prove useful for drivers or anyone else who could  
benefit from eyes-free access to a phone. They could also appeal to  
aging baby boomers with fading vision who want to keep using  
technology they’ve come to depend on.

Mr. Raman’s approach reflects a recognition that many innovations  
designed primarily for people with disabilities have benefited the  
broader public, said Larry Goldberg, who oversees the National Center  
for Accessible Media at WGBH, the public broadcasting station in  
Boston. They include curb cuts for wheelchairs, captions for  
television broadcasts and optical character-recognition technology,  
which was fine-tuned to create software that could read printed books  
aloud and is now used in many computer applications, he said.

With no buttons to guide the fingers on its glassy surface, the touch- 
screen cellphone may seem a particularly daunting challenge. But Mr.  
Raman said that with the right tweaks, touch-screen phones — many of  
which already come equipped with GPS technology and a compass — could  
help blind people navigate the world.

“How much of a leap of faith does it take for you to realize that your  
phone could say, ‘Walk straight and within 200 feet you’ll get to the  
intersection of X and Y,’ ” Mr. Raman said. “This is entirely doable.”

ADVOCATES for the blind have long complained that technology companies  
have done a generally poor job of making their products accessible.  
The Web, while opening many opportunities for blind people, is still  
riddled with obstacles. And sophisticated screen-reader software,  
which turns documents and Web pages into synthesized speech, can cost  
more than $1,000. Even with a screen reader, many sites are hard to  
navigate.

Last year, the National Federation of the Blind reached a settlement  
of a landmark class-action lawsuit against one company whose site  
advocates found unusable, Target. In the settlement, the retailer  
agreed to make its Web site accessible to blind people. The federation  
assesses the usability of Web sites and currently certifies only a  
handful as being fully accessible.

One challenge is that technology often evolves much faster than the  
guidelines that ensure Web sites work well with screen readers. In  
December, the World Wide Web Consortium, an Internet standards group,  
released Version 2.0 of its accessibility guidelines for Web sites.  
The previous version dated back to 1999, when the Web consisted  
largely of static Web pages rather than interactive applications.

Obstacles on the Web take many forms. A common one is the Captcha, a  
security feature consisting of a string of distorted letters and  
numbers that users are supposed to read and retype before they  
register for a new service or send e-mail. Few Web sites offer audio  
Captchas.

Some pages are just poorly designed, like e-commerce sites where the  
“checkout” button is an image that isn’t labeled so screen readers can  
find it.

“The overwhelming percentage of the industry really hasn’t stepped up  
to the plate to provide the blindness community with equal access to  
their products,” said Eric Bridges, director of advocacy and  
governmental affairs at the American Council of the Blind. Mr. Bridges  
and other advocates argue that accessibility should be built into new  
technologies, not added as an afterthought.

People with other disabilities face similar challenges on the  
Internet. “On the deafness side, the frustration is huge because of  
all of the video out there without captions,” Mr. Goldberg said.

MR. RAMAN, who before joining Google in 2005 worked at Adobe Systems  
and as a researcher at I.B.M., is intimately familiar with  
accessibility problems, both personally and professionally. In 2006,  
he developed a version of Google’s search engine that gives a slight  
preference to Web sites that work well with screen readers. The system  
had to test millions of Web pages.

“You wouldn’t have found a single page that fully complied with the  
accessibility guidelines,” Mr. Raman said. Still, the system could  
detect which pages worked reasonably well with screen readers.

The service is not being used as widely as he had hoped. Still, it has  
had an impact. Several Web site operators whose sites weren’t showing  
up prominently in Google search results asked Mr. Raman how they could  
fix their sites so they would rank better.

The service includes a screen magnifier that enlarges individual  
search results. Mr. Raman says the feature is intended to help low- 
vision users, but it could also prove useful to a much larger  
population, especially on cellphones and other devices with small  
screens.

For his own use, he has built a highly customized system that allows  
him efficient access to much of what he needs on his PC and on the  
Web, stripping out anything that could slow him down. For instance,  
the system goes directly to the article text on the news sites he  
reads regularly, bypassing navigational links and other features found  
on most Web pages.

On a recent day, Mr. Raman was working on a research paper about the  
future structure of the Web. A monitor hung above the desk. It is  
usually turned off, unless he wants to show a colleague or visitor  
what he is working on. He typed at his keyboard, his head slightly  
tilted to one side, listening to his screen reader through a pair of  
wireless headphones.

The screen reader is calibrated to speak at roughly triple the speed  
of a normal voice. To the untrained ear, the output is  
incomprehensible, but it allows Mr. Raman to “read” at roughly the  
same speed as a sighted person.

Processing information quickly is a skill he has developed over the  
years: a video on YouTube shows him solving his Braille Rubik’s Cube  
in 23 seconds. When he is not typing, Mr. Raman, who wears large  
sunglasses, is often folding and unfolding pieces of paper into tiny,  
origami-like geometrical shapes at prodigious speed.

He shares a work area at Google with Charles Chen, a 25-year-old  
engineer, and Hubbell, Mr. Raman’s guide dog. (Hubbell has his own Web  
site.)

Mr. Chen, who is sighted, developed a free screen reader for Web pages  
that works with the Firefox browser. Working together, the two  
recently added keyboard shortcuts that help blind and low-vision users  
navigate quickly through Google’s search results. They’ve also  
developed tools to make sophisticated Web applications, like e-mail  
and blog readers, suitable for screen-reading software.

Now, much of their effort is focused on touch-screen phones.

“The thing I am most interested in is all of the stuff moving to the  
mobile world, because it is a big life-changer,” Mr. Raman said.

To show their progress, Mr. Raman pulled his T-Mobile G1, a touch- 
screen phone with Google’s Android software, from a pocket of his  
jeans. He and Mr. Chen have already outfitted it with software that  
speaks much like a screen reader on a PC. Now they are working on ways  
to allow blind people, or anyone who is not looking at the screen, to  
enter text, numbers and commands.

That development would complement voice-recognition systems, which are  
not always reliable and don’t work well in noisy environments.

Since he cannot precisely hit a button on a touch screen, Mr. Raman  
created a dialer that works based on relative positions. It interprets  
any place where he first touches the screen as a 5, the center of a  
regular telephone dial pad. To dial any other number, he simply slides  
his finger in its direction — up and to the left for 1, down and to  
the right for 9, and so on. If he makes a mistake, he can erase a  
digit simply by shaking the phone, which can detect motion.

He and Mr. Chen are testing several other input methods. None of these  
technologies have been rolled out, but Mr. Raman, who is already using  
the G1 as his primary cellphone, hopes to make them freely available  
soon.

(Few screen readers are available for smartphones today, and they can  
often cost as much as a phone itself.)

What may become the most life-changing mobile technology — a phone  
that can recognize and read signs through its camera — may still be a  
few years away, Mr. Raman said. Already, some devices can read text  
this way. But because blind users don’t know where signs are, they  
can’t point the camera at them or align it properly, Mr. Raman said.  
Once chips become powerful enough, they will be able to detect a  
sign’s location and read skewed type, he said.

“Those things will happen,” he said. When they do, sighted users will  
benefit, too.

“If you have the technology that can recognize a street sign as you  
drive by it, that is helpful for everyone,” he said. “In a foreign  
country, it will translate it.”

Mr. Raman’s innovations have already made their way onto millions of  
PCs. At Adobe in the 1990s, he helped to adapt the PDF format so it  
could be read by screen readers. That was required for PDF to be used  
by the federal government, and it eventually led to the technology’s  
being embraced as a global standard for electronic documents.

“It was incredibly important to us as a business, and to the blind,”  
said John Warnock, the chairman and founder of Adobe.

Mr. Raman says he thinks he has the largest impact when he can  
persuade other engineers to make their products accessible — or,  
better yet, when he can convince them that there are interesting  
problems to be solved in this area. “If I can get another 10 engineers  
motivated to work on accessibility,” he said, “it is a huge win.”

Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company



From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jan  5 17:39:27 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 11:39:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Nominations Sought for 2nd Annual Blind Bargains
 Access Awards
Message-ID: <auto-000080529846@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>With another year behind us, it's time to once again recognize the 
>best companies, products, websites, and people in the blind 
>community. Nominations are now being accepted for the 2nd Annual 
>BlindBargains.com Access Awards. You can submit nominations for any 
>or all of the eleven categories ranging from best new product or 
>innovation to best website for the blind (Blind Bargains isn't 
>eligible). New this year is a
>category for the best podcast or radio show. Nomination submissions 
>are due by January 14 at 5 PM Eastern.
>Visit <http://www.BlindBargains.com>www.BlindBargains.com to submit 
>your nominations.
>
>J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
>A premier licensed Code Factory distributor

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From passionflower505 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 19:11:22 2009
From: passionflower505 at yahoo.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:11:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] loading pictures on to a computer
Message-ID: <10537.37948.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Have any of you been able to successfully load pictures onto your computer or a website such as facebook blind? From what i have observed, it is very difficult, and i always end up having to ask someone to do it for me. I know that even if i could get the pictures onto the computer or a website, i would have to ask someone which ones were which, but i was curious if any of you had any tips.
Cindy


      


From RCarranza at nfb.org  Mon Jan  5 19:36:59 2009
From: RCarranza at nfb.org (Carranza, Rosy)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:36:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Division Trivia
In-Reply-To: <5A2F2ECF2EAB4F1485C70113E622E100@MonkeyPaw>
References: <5A2F2ECF2EAB4F1485C70113E622E100@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B2FEA14@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>

do you still need help w/this? I have been out. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:28 PM
To: Arizona Students; 'California Students'; Colorado Center; 'Colorado
Students'; Florida Students; 'Illinois Students'; 'Kansas Students';
Kentucky Students; Louisiana Students; Michigan; Minnesota Students;
Missouri; National; Nebraska; New Hampshire Students; New Jersey
Students; 'North Carolina Students'; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Presidents;
TABS Students; Tennessee Students; 'Utah Students'; Virginia Students
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Division Trivia

1. In what year was NABS established?

2. Can anyone name the presidents of NABS from its inception through the
present?

3. Are there any noteworthy tidbits of NABS history you could identify?

If anyone has information on any of these points, let us know.  I've
been in contact with a few of you but figured a general call might
generate more ideas.  We're trying to build a comprehensive profile of
the division.  Any assistance you can provide would be very much
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James
M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rcarranza%40nfb.
org


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 20:26:40 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 07:26:40 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Division Trivia
In-Reply-To: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B2FEA14@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>
References: <5A2F2ECF2EAB4F1485C70113E622E100@MonkeyPaw>
	<7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B2FEA14@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901051226g51ad06dw42725a374faf2d7b@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know who was president of NABS from 1981-1987?

Arielle

On 1/6/09, Carranza, Rosy <RCarranza at nfb.org> wrote:
> do you still need help w/this? I have been out.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:28 PM
> To: Arizona Students; 'California Students'; Colorado Center; 'Colorado
> Students'; Florida Students; 'Illinois Students'; 'Kansas Students';
> Kentucky Students; Louisiana Students; Michigan; Minnesota Students;
> Missouri; National; Nebraska; New Hampshire Students; New Jersey
> Students; 'North Carolina Students'; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Presidents;
> TABS Students; Tennessee Students; 'Utah Students'; Virginia Students
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Division Trivia
>
> 1. In what year was NABS established?
>
> 2. Can anyone name the presidents of NABS from its inception through the
> present?
>
> 3. Are there any noteworthy tidbits of NABS history you could identify?
>
> If anyone has information on any of these points, let us know.  I've
> been in contact with a few of you but figured a general call might
> generate more ideas.  We're trying to build a comprehensive profile of
> the division.  Any assistance you can provide would be very much
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James
> M.
> Barrie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rcarranza%40nfb.
> org
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Jan  5 20:50:15 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:50:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NYTimes: Touch-screen phones for the blind?
In-Reply-To: <FCA3C50E-941C-4335-8BCF-706ADD775732@gmail.com>
References: <FCA3C50E-941C-4335-8BCF-706ADD775732@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAD87h6P0kmxLugj+vbLECIMBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

Thanks for this, Corbb. It's great reading and I totally agree with your
comments.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Corbb O'Connor
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:19 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] NYTimes: Touch-screen phones for the blind?

Hi everybody--

I saw this interesting article in yesterday's New York Times. It talks  
of a man who many of us know as the man who created the Google Labs  
project for accessible search results from Google (accessible pages  
are ranked higher in the results than non-accessible pages). Now, he's  
working on a touch-screen phone that can be used by anybody who isn't  
looking at the screen. I find his approach interesting -- he doesn't  
focus on making products for the blind, but instead focuses on making  
products accessible by anybody not looking at them. Sure, it ends up  
with the same result, but it increases the device's popularity! Plus,  
I find it neat that Mr. Raman wasn't laughed out of the room for  
suggesting that a touch-screen could be used by the blind!

Here's the link, and the article follows below:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/business/04blind.html?pagewanted=1&ref=tod
ayspaper

Happy reading,
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics



The New York Times

January 4, 2009
For the Blind, Technology Does What a Guide Dog Can't
By MIGUEL HELFT

MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif.

T. V. RAMAN was a bookish child who developed a love of math and  
puzzles at an early age.

That passion didn't change after glaucoma took his eyesight at the age  
of 14. What changed is the role that technology - and his own  
innovations - played in helping him pursue his interests.

A native of India, Mr. Raman went from relying on volunteers to read  
him textbooks at a top technical university there to leading a largely  
autonomous life in Silicon Valley, where he is a highly respected  
computer scientist and an engineer at Google.

Along the way, Mr. Raman built a series of tools to help him take  
advantage of objects or technologies that were not designed with blind  
users in mind. They ranged from a Rubik's Cube covered in Braille to a  
software program that can take complex mathematical formulas and read  
them aloud, which became the subject of his Ph.D. dissertation at  
Cornell. He also built a version of Google's search service tailored  
for blind users.

Mr. Raman, 43, is now working to modify the latest technological  
gadget that he says could make life easier for blind people: a touch- 
screen phone.

"What Raman does is amazing," said Paul Schroeder, vice president for  
programs and policy at the American Foundation for the Blind, which  
conducts research on technology that can help visually impaired  
people. "He is a leading thinker on accessibility issues, and his  
capacity to design and alter technology to meet his needs is unique."

Some of Mr. Raman's innovations may help make electronic gadgets and  
Web services more user-friendly for everyone. Instead of asking how  
something should work if a person cannot see, he says he prefers to  
ask, "How should something work when the user is not looking at the  
screen?"

Such systems could prove useful for drivers or anyone else who could  
benefit from eyes-free access to a phone. They could also appeal to  
aging baby boomers with fading vision who want to keep using  
technology they've come to depend on.

Mr. Raman's approach reflects a recognition that many innovations  
designed primarily for people with disabilities have benefited the  
broader public, said Larry Goldberg, who oversees the National Center  
for Accessible Media at WGBH, the public broadcasting station in  
Boston. They include curb cuts for wheelchairs, captions for  
television broadcasts and optical character-recognition technology,  
which was fine-tuned to create software that could read printed books  
aloud and is now used in many computer applications, he said.

With no buttons to guide the fingers on its glassy surface, the touch- 
screen cellphone may seem a particularly daunting challenge. But Mr.  
Raman said that with the right tweaks, touch-screen phones - many of  
which already come equipped with GPS technology and a compass - could  
help blind people navigate the world.

"How much of a leap of faith does it take for you to realize that your  
phone could say, 'Walk straight and within 200 feet you'll get to the  
intersection of X and Y,' " Mr. Raman said. "This is entirely doable."

ADVOCATES for the blind have long complained that technology companies  
have done a generally poor job of making their products accessible.  
The Web, while opening many opportunities for blind people, is still  
riddled with obstacles. And sophisticated screen-reader software,  
which turns documents and Web pages into synthesized speech, can cost  
more than $1,000. Even with a screen reader, many sites are hard to  
navigate.

Last year, the National Federation of the Blind reached a settlement  
of a landmark class-action lawsuit against one company whose site  
advocates found unusable, Target. In the settlement, the retailer  
agreed to make its Web site accessible to blind people. The federation  
assesses the usability of Web sites and currently certifies only a  
handful as being fully accessible.

One challenge is that technology often evolves much faster than the  
guidelines that ensure Web sites work well with screen readers. In  
December, the World Wide Web Consortium, an Internet standards group,  
released Version 2.0 of its accessibility guidelines for Web sites.  
The previous version dated back to 1999, when the Web consisted  
largely of static Web pages rather than interactive applications.

Obstacles on the Web take many forms. A common one is the Captcha, a  
security feature consisting of a string of distorted letters and  
numbers that users are supposed to read and retype before they  
register for a new service or send e-mail. Few Web sites offer audio  
Captchas.

Some pages are just poorly designed, like e-commerce sites where the  
"checkout" button is an image that isn't labeled so screen readers can  
find it.

"The overwhelming percentage of the industry really hasn't stepped up  
to the plate to provide the blindness community with equal access to  
their products," said Eric Bridges, director of advocacy and  
governmental affairs at the American Council of the Blind. Mr. Bridges  
and other advocates argue that accessibility should be built into new  
technologies, not added as an afterthought.

People with other disabilities face similar challenges on the  
Internet. "On the deafness side, the frustration is huge because of  
all of the video out there without captions," Mr. Goldberg said.

MR. RAMAN, who before joining Google in 2005 worked at Adobe Systems  
and as a researcher at I.B.M., is intimately familiar with  
accessibility problems, both personally and professionally. In 2006,  
he developed a version of Google's search engine that gives a slight  
preference to Web sites that work well with screen readers. The system  
had to test millions of Web pages.

"You wouldn't have found a single page that fully complied with the  
accessibility guidelines," Mr. Raman said. Still, the system could  
detect which pages worked reasonably well with screen readers.

The service is not being used as widely as he had hoped. Still, it has  
had an impact. Several Web site operators whose sites weren't showing  
up prominently in Google search results asked Mr. Raman how they could  
fix their sites so they would rank better.

The service includes a screen magnifier that enlarges individual  
search results. Mr. Raman says the feature is intended to help low- 
vision users, but it could also prove useful to a much larger  
population, especially on cellphones and other devices with small  
screens.

For his own use, he has built a highly customized system that allows  
him efficient access to much of what he needs on his PC and on the  
Web, stripping out anything that could slow him down. For instance,  
the system goes directly to the article text on the news sites he  
reads regularly, bypassing navigational links and other features found  
on most Web pages.

On a recent day, Mr. Raman was working on a research paper about the  
future structure of the Web. A monitor hung above the desk. It is  
usually turned off, unless he wants to show a colleague or visitor  
what he is working on. He typed at his keyboard, his head slightly  
tilted to one side, listening to his screen reader through a pair of  
wireless headphones.

The screen reader is calibrated to speak at roughly triple the speed  
of a normal voice. To the untrained ear, the output is  
incomprehensible, but it allows Mr. Raman to "read" at roughly the  
same speed as a sighted person.

Processing information quickly is a skill he has developed over the  
years: a video on YouTube shows him solving his Braille Rubik's Cube  
in 23 seconds. When he is not typing, Mr. Raman, who wears large  
sunglasses, is often folding and unfolding pieces of paper into tiny,  
origami-like geometrical shapes at prodigious speed.

He shares a work area at Google with Charles Chen, a 25-year-old  
engineer, and Hubbell, Mr. Raman's guide dog. (Hubbell has his own Web  
site.)

Mr. Chen, who is sighted, developed a free screen reader for Web pages  
that works with the Firefox browser. Working together, the two  
recently added keyboard shortcuts that help blind and low-vision users  
navigate quickly through Google's search results. They've also  
developed tools to make sophisticated Web applications, like e-mail  
and blog readers, suitable for screen-reading software.

Now, much of their effort is focused on touch-screen phones.

"The thing I am most interested in is all of the stuff moving to the  
mobile world, because it is a big life-changer," Mr. Raman said.

To show their progress, Mr. Raman pulled his T-Mobile G1, a touch- 
screen phone with Google's Android software, from a pocket of his  
jeans. He and Mr. Chen have already outfitted it with software that  
speaks much like a screen reader on a PC. Now they are working on ways  
to allow blind people, or anyone who is not looking at the screen, to  
enter text, numbers and commands.

That development would complement voice-recognition systems, which are  
not always reliable and don't work well in noisy environments.

Since he cannot precisely hit a button on a touch screen, Mr. Raman  
created a dialer that works based on relative positions. It interprets  
any place where he first touches the screen as a 5, the center of a  
regular telephone dial pad. To dial any other number, he simply slides  
his finger in its direction - up and to the left for 1, down and to  
the right for 9, and so on. If he makes a mistake, he can erase a  
digit simply by shaking the phone, which can detect motion.

He and Mr. Chen are testing several other input methods. None of these  
technologies have been rolled out, but Mr. Raman, who is already using  
the G1 as his primary cellphone, hopes to make them freely available  
soon.

(Few screen readers are available for smartphones today, and they can  
often cost as much as a phone itself.)

What may become the most life-changing mobile technology - a phone  
that can recognize and read signs through its camera - may still be a  
few years away, Mr. Raman said. Already, some devices can read text  
this way. But because blind users don't know where signs are, they  
can't point the camera at them or align it properly, Mr. Raman said.  
Once chips become powerful enough, they will be able to detect a  
sign's location and read skewed type, he said.

"Those things will happen," he said. When they do, sighted users will  
benefit, too.

"If you have the technology that can recognize a street sign as you  
drive by it, that is helpful for everyone," he said. "In a foreign  
country, it will translate it."

Mr. Raman's innovations have already made their way onto millions of  
PCs. At Adobe in the 1990s, he helped to adapt the PDF format so it  
could be read by screen readers. That was required for PDF to be used  
by the federal government, and it eventually led to the technology's  
being embraced as a global standard for electronic documents.

"It was incredibly important to us as a business, and to the blind,"  
said John Warnock, the chairman and founder of Adobe.

Mr. Raman says he thinks he has the largest impact when he can  
persuade other engineers to make their products accessible - or,  
better yet, when he can convince them that there are interesting  
problems to be solved in this area. "If I can get another 10 engineers  
motivated to work on accessibility," he said, "it is a huge win."

Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From jj at bestmidi.com  Mon Jan  5 21:46:06 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 16:46:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Division Trivia
References: <5A2F2ECF2EAB4F1485C70113E622E100@MonkeyPaw>
	<7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B2FEA14@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>
Message-ID: <9E139D529B3A455CBBB65954A34F3F52@jsquared>

We have some of it, but are missing the president from 1981-87 as well as 
any other information and factoids. I'd also be interested in any Student 
Slate's before around 1997, no matter the format. If they need to be 
digitized, that could be an interesting history project.
BTW, NABS didn't become NABS in name until 1991. Before that it was just the 
Student Division. Long-time members may have already known this, but I'm 
sure many of you didn't.

J.J. 



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 02:01:02 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:01:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar!
Message-ID: <010620090201.25720.4962BB5D000E9B48000064782200737478010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello arielle,

thanks for sending this information out to the list. i really appreciate this! thanks again and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
from amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com> 

> Dear students, 
> 
> The time has come again to prepare for another NFB Washington Seminar! 
> The Washington Seminar will take place from Sunday, February 8, 2009 
> to Wednesday, February 11, 2009, at the Holiday Inn Capitol in 
> Washington, D.C. 
> 
> On Sunday we will have our annual winter meeting for the National 
> Association of Blind Students from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. This will be 
> followed by the Great Gathering-In meeting that Dr. Maurer conducts at 
> 5:00 p.m. (Please note: This is a change from past years). 
> 
> On Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday affiliates will meet with their 
> state representatives to discuss this year's legislative issues. If 
> you're attending, talk to your state president to find out when your 
> state's appointments are scheduled. (While it's a good idea to attend 
> all three days, it's certainly not required). 
> 
> If you're going to Washington Seminar and have not yet reserved a room 
> in the hotel, please talk with your state president to find out 
> whether a block of rooms is reserved for your state. If there is not a 
> room block or if you want to room with people from other affiliates, 
> you can reserve a room by calling Diane McGeorge at 
> 303-778-1130, ext. 219 
> or emailing Lisa Bonderson at 
> lbonderson at cocenter.org 
> Please do not make your reservation with the hotel directly. 
> 
> See everyone in Washington! 
> 
> Arielle Silverman 
> First Vice-President, National Association of Blind Students 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan  6 02:29:16 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:29:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind to Exhibit at Consumer
 Electronics Show
Message-ID: <auto-000081827475@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
	
CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Public Relations Specialist

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, ext.  2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org

National Federation of the Blind to Exhibit at Consumer Electronics Show

Exhibit Will Highlight Products Blind People Can Use

Baltimore, Maryland (January 5, 2009): The National Federation of the

Blind (NFB), the oldest and largest organization of blind people in the

United States, in partnership with the Sendero Group, will exhibit at

the international Consumer Electronics Show (CES), held January 6-11,

2009, in Las Vegas.  The CES, the largest technology showcase in the

world, will feature a booth sponsored by the National Federation of the

Blind and the Sendero Group that highlights "vision free"

products-mainstream products that blind people can use independently.

The NFB and the Sendero Group will be manning the booth along with

internationally-acclaimed singer-songwriter Stevie Wonder.  The Sendero

Group is the developer of the first accessible GPS and talking map, and

one of the products that will be featured at the booth is their new

Mobile Geo, an accessible GPS program for cell phones and PDAs.

Dr.  Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind,

said: "Many new consumer electronics and home appliances are designed

with visual displays and interfaces that make it extremely difficult and

in some cases impossible for the blind to use them independently.

It is

critical that blind people have access to all features of mainstream

products and technology with the same ease of use as the sighted.

The

Consumer Electronics Show is an important opportunity to reach out to

manufacturers and encourage them to create accessible products.

Creating technology that is accessible to and usable by blind people is

not difficult, and it is essential if the blind are to be independent,

productive citizens."

Representatives from the National Federation of the Blind and the

Sendero Group, along with Stevie Wonder, will be at the Sands Expo and

Convention Center, in booth 72044 during the Consumer Electronics Show.

For more information about accessible technology or the National

Federation of the Blind, please visit
www.nfb.org
  <http://www.nfb.org> .

###

About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is

the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people

in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through

advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging

independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the

blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind.  In January

2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan

Institute, the first research and training center in the United States

for the blind led by the blind.  Please visit our Web site:
www.nfb.org

<http://www.nfb.org> .



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 02:45:08 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:45:08 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJIEJOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <DB2428BE1A40482B8BE5B210229384B6@D1GMNL91>
	<FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJIEJOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901051845o3f9cbab1x68d134ac937f8c06@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rachel,

If you haven't already talked with Mary Jo Thorpe, she would be a
great resource as she served on the NABS board and worked with
Maryland's student division for many years organizing events for high
school students.

Also, Jennifer Kennedy is your regional rep from the NABS board. She
can be reached at
msjenniferkennedy at gmail.com

Arielle Silverman
First Vice-President, NABS

On 1/3/09, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
> I saw a message on the list that you were trying to have a conference call
> soon to get things going again.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:08 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
>
>
> Albert is not from Maryland Rachel. He is in my state but we don't have an
> active student group.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
>
>
>> Albert,
>> I didn't know that you were from Maryland. Most of our students are from
>> Baltimore. I am not from Baltimore but I'm going to college there. Where
>> are
>> you from in Maryland? Transportation may be a problem, but I know that
>> some
>> student divissions have conference calls, and if we have one, we'd love to
>> have you participate.
>> Rachel
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Albert Yoo
>> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 3:02 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
>>
>>
>>
>> Rachel, is the Maryland meeting for maryland blind students in Baltimore?
>> I
>> think I would have transportation problems to meet other blind students in
>> Maryland? How many students are in the blind students division of
>> Maryland?
>> Albert> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date:
>> Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > Hi
>> everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a>
>> happy
>> new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind>
>> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't>
>> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am
>> going> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was
>> wondering
>> if you> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been
>> doing
>> lately?> Rachel> > > _______________________________________________>
>> nabs-l
>> mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To !
>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail
>> .com
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
>>
> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywher
>> e_122008
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
>> ltants.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl
> ink.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
> ltants.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan  6 03:38:56 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:38:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Washington_Seminar_Announcement_-_K-NFB_R?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?eader_=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Mobile_Drawing?=
Message-ID: <auto-000080613400@mailfront1.g2host.com>


National Federation of the Blind logo

Graphic Photo boy with cane on the beach

March for Independence logo

On behalf of the chairman of the Imagination Fund and the March for

Independence, I would like to ask everyone to register, register,

register now for our third annual march that will take place on

Monday, July 6, at our national convention in Detroit.

It is important that we have well over one thousand Federationists

registered by the time we gather for

our winter legislative "march on Washington."  Time is

of the essence...don't delay, register now.

Everyone who is registered to participate in the march by 4:00 p.m.  on

February 8, 2009, will be placed in a drawing to win a

K-NFB Reader Mobile.

The drawing will be held during

Washington Seminar at the Great Gathering-In;

you need not be present to win, but you do need to be

registered to win!

If you are already registered, help us now by reaching out to others

to get them registered.

You can register by going online to

http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=C7GtaSzY4WQ2HBQblDsP

_A..  , or by contacting

Kristi Bowman at (410) 659-9314, extension 2406, or

kbowman at nfb.org.

Unsubscribe  |   Update

Preferences  |   Visit Our Web

Site  |   Tell-A-Friend

http://nfb.convio.net/site/CO?i=8UeaqXN3XpDUrb6x2xAdz4MZyY4qHsgz&

cid=0

http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=inMr9X6HnFiJSPnIZRgp

pA..

http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=RVrRP1B0TxeX1ErQa1po

CA..

http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=oTp55u-XaDlauB-Sk6hq

Kg..

1800 Johnson Street Baltimore, MD 21230

410-659-9314



From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan  6 16:06:54 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:06:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_Happy_Birthday_Mr=2E_Braille!_=97_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?=24200__discount_on_our_Braille_products?=
Message-ID: <auto-000080668613@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR. BRAILLE!
>
>Longueuil, January 6th, 2008  —  January 4th 
>2009 marked the two  hundredth anniversary of 
>the birth of Louis Braille. Louis Braille is the 
>inventor of the Braille reading and writing 
>system used internationally by people who are 
>blind and visually impaired. It is the only 
>method by which the blind can be truly 
>literate.  Statistics show that 85% of employed 
>blind people use Braille to perform part of their job.
>
>HumanWare has been at the forefront of providing 
>award-winning Braille solutions for both 
>students and professionals. HumanWare's 
>BrailleNote note takers are used by thousands of 
>students and professionals who create and access 
>documents and books to be read in 
>Braille.  HumanWare offers other Braille 
>solutions from the pocketsize BrailleConnect for 
>use with mobile devices and laptops, several 
>sizes of the Brailliant Braille displays for the 
>workplace, and personal and institutional Braille embossers.
>
>HumanWare will be celebrating this two hundredth 
>anniversary throughout the year with many future 
>announcements. To begin the year with the true 
>spirit, HumanWare is pleased to offer to all of 
>our customers in the Americas a $200 discount on 
>the purchase on any of our Braille products.
>
>HumanWare realizes that much work remains to be 
>done to insure that all blind individuals have 
>an opportunity to learn and use Braille. 
>HumanWare has worked on many initiatives in the 
>past to make Braille more accessible and will 
>vigorously pursue these activities in 2009 and 
>beyond to make illiteracy among the blind a thing of the past.
>
>This offer is limited to the month of January 
>2009 and applies only to the following products:
>
>• BrailleNote mPower
>• BrailleNote Deaf-Blind Communicator
>• BrailleNote PK
>• BrailleConnect
>• Brailliant
>• Mountbatten Brailler (in U.S.A. only)
>• ViewPlus Braille Embossers
>About HumanWare
>HumanWare (www.humanware.com) is the global 
>leader in assistive technologies for the print 
>disabled. HumanWare provides products to people 
>who are blind and have low vision and students 
>with learning disabilities. HumanWare offers a 
>collection of innovative products include 
>BrailleNote, the leading productivity device for 
>the blind in education, business and for 
>personal use; the Victor Reader product line, 
>the world's leading digital audiobook players, 
>and SmartView Xtend, the first fully modular and 
>upgradeable CCTV-based video magnifier.
>
>For more information:
>HumanWare
>Nicolas Lagace
>Tel.: (450) 463-1717
>E-mail: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From jlastar at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 18:58:40 2009
From: jlastar at comcast.net (Jennifer Applegate)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:58:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The History of the NABS.doc
Message-ID: <004801c97030$cb22b3c0$6514a8c0@jenniferspc>

History of the NABS                                                         

 

History of the National Association of Blind Students 

By Michael Baillif

Editor's Note: The following speech was delivered by Michael Baillif at the 

annual meeting of the National Association of Blind Students held as part of
the 

1998 National Convention of the National Federation of the Blind. Michael 

Baillif was President of NABS from 1987 - 1991.

In a letter to a friend, John Lord Acton cautioned, "A word of advice to
people 

thinking about writing history-don't!" Henry Ford's view of the subject was,


"History is more or less bunk!"

With all due respect to Henry Ford, however, and mindful of Lord Acton's 

admonition, I will take my chances and address the history of the National 

Association of Blind Students. Before beginning that discussion, though, let
me 

say that I am far more interested in the history that those of you in the
room 

tonight will make, than about that which has come before. Toward this end, I


would like to put the upcoming historical discussion in context by telling
an 

updated and condensed version of a story that I told seven years ago in my
last 

speech as president of NABS. I think this story is, if anything, more
relevant 

and more important to NABS today than it was then. It goes like this.

Once long ago, there was a commune located high up in the mountains. In its 

golden days, it had been busy and prosperous. Now, however, it was stagnant
and 

withering away.

One day, the head of the commune called in his top advisor, and said, "We've
got 

to do something. This place is falling apart. No one is joining up, and the
work 

is not getting done. We're basically going to Hell in a hand basket. It's
those 

Generation X kids. They don't believe in anything. They don't have any 

commitment. They don't want to be part of anything. What do we do?

The advisor pondered the problem for a moment and replied, "I think I might
have 

an idea. Let me see what I can do."

A few days later, as the advisor was strolling in the vineyard, she looked
up 

into the sky and shouted, "Hallelujah!" When asked what she had seen, all
the 

advisor would say was, "a vision, a vision. The chosen one is either among
us 

now, or will be very soon."

The reports of the advisor's strange prophesy went far and wide over the 

countryside. People said, "the chosen one, the chosen one is there at that 

commune." Soon, sometimes one by one, sometimes in groups, people started 

appearing at the commune doors, seeking to join. Even some of the skeptical 

Generation X kids began coming around.

Another more subtle change occurred as well. People at the commune, both new
and 

old, started looking at themselves in a new light and began treating others 

differently. A person would think, "is he the chosen one, or could it be
her, 

or, good heavens, could it be me?" People looked at each other and at
themselves 

and saw not only the good that currently existed, but also the potential for


greatness that each person possessed. They took new pride in their duties
and 

found a new joy in the commune.

To this day, the commune remains prosperous. Interestingly enough, though,
the 

chosen one has not yet arrived, or perhaps the chosen one is there, but has 

decided to remain incognito. Only the advisor knows, and she is not talking.

I believe that you, and the person you're sitting next to, may be one of the


chosen ones within our own organization. Within this group here tonight are
the 

current and future leaders of NABS, and in large part, the future of the 

National Federation of the Blind. Given this perspective, here is a
thumbnail 

sketch of the history of NABS, which will provide the context for the work,
the 

challenges, and the opportunities that await you as the chosen ones.

The National Federation of the Blind Student Division, as it was then known,
was 

organized in 1967, by a group of students so few in number that they could
meet 

in a single hotel room. It was the first of our national divisions to be
formed 

and was conceptualized very much as a Young Republicans or a Young Democrats


type of entity.

Jim Gashel was elected as the first president and served until 1971. Dr.
Maurer 

then took over and was the only three term president the division has had, 

serving until 1977. Peggy Elliot then succeeded Dr. Maurer.

The purpose behind the founding of the student division was two-fold. (1) To


help recruit students into the larger organization, and (2) to help give 

students who might not otherwise have the opportunity, the chance to
experience 

leadership positions within the organization. Judging by the division's
early 

leaders, this latter goal was achieved very quickly.

In the early years of the student division, it undertook three principle 

activities that in many ways were representative of the focus that the
division 

has maintained ever since. First, it sought to help blind students deal with
the 

problems caused by paternalistic disabled student service offices. Second,
the 

division published a student handbook which functioned as both a resource
guide 

and how-to manual for blind students at all educational levels. And third,
some 

members of the division went up to Canada and helped them develop an 

organization of Canadian blind students. A few years later, the division
dove 

into a fourth issue, that being the test administration and validation
policies 

of those entities administering gateway tests, such as the SAT and the LSAT.

Over the years, the student division has successfully addressed many of the 

subjects to which it has turned. Other battles have come and gone of their
own 

accord and still other issues plague us to this day. Nevertheless, the
student 

division has remained true to its essential mission: to train leaders and to


help the organization grow.

One event, the significance of which should not be over-looked in this
process, 

was the implementation in 1984 of the scholarship program as it now exists.
When 

I became president in 1987, four of the five members of the student board
had 

been scholarship winners. By 1989, all seven of us had come through the 

scholarship program. 

During this period, that being the later 1980s and early to mid-1990s, the 

student division, which by now had become NABS, added a strong outreach 

component. Many social events such as parties and the Monte Carlo night were


held during convention. Also, substantial emphasis was placed on organizing 

student chapters in state affiliates. At one point, student chapters existed
in 

almost half of the affiliates around the country. Thus, up through the 

mid-1990s, NABS progressed, sometimes more quickly and sometimes more slowly
in 

the means by which it helped develop leadership, helped advocate for the
rights 

of blind students, and helped reach out to blind students, both in providing


real life advise as to how to get things done, and in providing a social
context 

that would bring blind students into the larger organization.

In a nutshell, this is the history of NABS through the mid- 1990s. The
history 

of the late 1990s and beyond will be told in the future and will be
determined 

by you, the chosen ones.

In the National Federation of the Blind, we desperately need a vital and 

energetic student division. We need students to go off and have raucous
parties 

and do things that vaguely scandalize the rest of the organization. We need 

students to debate issues and to ask the questions that challenge us all and


keep us from growing complacent. And we need students to be reaching out to 

other students in the way that only you can.

It is up to you to become leaders in the division and to ensure that it
fulfills 

its role. Why should you do this? Because you have a unique opportunity to
give 

to, and to receive from, the National Federation of the Blind.

Why do you think I am here this evening instead of in the bar, which I do
not 

leave lightly. First, because I might say something useful. Granted, it's 

unlikely, but if I talk long enough, you never know, it could happen.
Second, 

because I need and deeply value the reinvigoration I draw from this group.
It 

stays with me throughout the convention and I carry it back with me for
strength 

when I am alone in the day-to-day world. And third, because some of my best 

friends are right here.

This is the opportunity that you are offered, to give and to receive and to 

develop relationships that will last a lifetime. Those of you who have 

leadership in this division, exercise it. Those of you who don't seek it out
and 

take it. Take the leadership of this division and make things happen. Take
the 

leadership of this division and become the chosen ones. Take the leadership
of 

this division and write a history of which you and this organization can be 

proud.

Back to top


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 00:03:24 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:03:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American
	Association	People with disabilities internship for the summer?
In-Reply-To: <A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl>


Who was your congressman woman or senator? Share some of your experiences > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association People with disabilities internship for the summer?> > Hi Albert,> > I participated last summer -- feel free to e-mail me off-list with > questions.> > Corbb> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan 2, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:> > > > _________________________________________________________________> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows > Vista®.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008

From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 00:19:41 2009
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 16:19:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nfbwatlk] Important Convention Reservation Information
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV37D0396A9579BBEF7221E0B5DF0@phx.gbl>


 

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Freeman,Mike - TOSD-DITT-2
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 12:12 PM
To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfbwatlk] Important Convention Reservation Information

Hello, Fellow Federationists!
 
The information in the December, 2008 Braille Monitor concerning how to make
hotel reservations for this summer's national convention in Detroit is
wrong! Do not, I repeat NOT, make reservations by calling the local
313 number. Instead, please call (800) 266-9432 to make convention
reservations with the Detroit Marriott Renaissance Center.
 
This information comes from Mrs. Jernigan via Tony Cobb!
 
Michael Freeman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Washington
 
_______________________________________________
nfbwatlk mailing list
nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nfbwatlk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/lawnmower84%40hotm
ail.com



From jmfreeman at bpa.gov  Wed Jan  7 03:30:33 2009
From: jmfreeman at bpa.gov (Freeman,
	Mike - TOSD-DITT-2)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:30:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Important Convention Reservation Information
Message-ID: <auto-000082028279@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Hello, Fellow Federationists!

The information in the December, 2008 Braille Monitor concerning how to
make hotel reservations for this summer's national convention in Detroit
is wrong! Do not, I repeat NOT, make reservations by calling the local
313 number. Instead, please call (800) 266-9432 to make convention
reservations with the Detroit Marriott Renaissance Center.

This information comes from Mrs. Jernigan via Tony Cobb!

Michael Freeman, President
National Federation of the Blind of Washington

_______________________________________________
nfbwatlk mailing list
nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbwatlk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com


No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 
1/6/2009 7:56 AM



From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 04:05:33 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (gmail)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 21:05:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net><1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91><df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com>
	<26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>

Greetings,
   I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to answer 
them.
   My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you know of 
anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
   Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really 
excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having lot 
of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had very much 
luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition to reading 
books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, or any 
other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not been as 
accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is just the operator and not 
the program.
   Thank you very much.
   At your service,
   Nijat


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads


> Merisa,
>
> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic  of 
> the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader  if 
> you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate  for 
> legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones  that I 
> typically use.
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>
> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
> Thanks!
> Merisa
>
> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.   Youtube 
>> is
>> the best one I can think of.
>> Ashley
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>
>>
>>> hello all,
>>>
>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!  anyway, 
>>> i
>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search  for
>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for  them
>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use  them
>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was 
>>> wondering
>>>
>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>
>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hugs,
>>> from amy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com 



From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 06:21:27 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:21:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American
	Association	People with disabilities internship for the summer?
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <89294641-76AF-4783-9FDA-DD1E1AF0F272@gmail.com>

Happy to -- Before I do, though, I should point out that the  
internship is not just the product of the American Association of  
People with Disabilities. It's funded by the Mitsubishi Electric  
America Foundation, who sponsors lots of programs for inclusion of  
youth with disabilities. It's because of their support that you  
receive a $1,500 stipend plus housing plus airfare for the  
summer...not a bad gig at all!

I worked for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton...the powerful, friendly,  
and eloquent Senator from New York, at least for a few more days. All  
Congressional offices are set up differently, but I'll give my  
account. For the first few days and weeks, Senator Clinton's interns  
are assigned to different projects rather than focused. This is used  
by the staff to see where folks best fit. Hint for anyone applying for  
internships: be ready for this question on your first day, "Where do  
you want to focus your work and what do you want to learn from it?" A  
strong yet concise answer tends to get you that position. I wanted to  
work with her press team, and that's where I ended up. Most of our  
work was "intern-like," for my team it was cutting press clips and  
scanning them into an archive system...I worked in July and they were  
backlogged from March!...but there were some exciting times, like  
transcribing comments on the floor of the Senate or in committees. I  
also gave Capitol Tours, something that my boss said I didn't have to  
do if it was troublesome, but I did it and was glad that I did --  
those tours were some of the best times for I had the chance to teach  
constituents about the legislative process...even some from Britain,  
who were impressed that I knew their system well enough to make  
comparisons! Anyway -- the experiences are what you make of them; go  
in being dedicated and focused, and you'll take a lot away. Ask  
questions when you can, and invite staff to lunch or find random  
staffers in the cafeteria...some of the best conversations that I had  
with Hill staffers were ones that I randomly found at lunchtime. Other  
interns, though, didn't have as great of an experience because they  
waited for the staff to assign them projects and didn't seek them out;  
folks waited until they were "good enough" sorting mail to ask to move  
on, yet by then it was too late. Sure, do what they ask you to do, but  
be ready to jump up when somebody needs an intern...maybe it's running  
a silly errand--like buying stamps--or maybe it's taking a statement  
to the floor, or--as my co-press intern found one day--it was  
escorting the Senator and her bags to her office. It's an action- 
packed place on the Capitol, and with the majority skewed more than in  
the 110th Congress, more is likely to happen...as opposed to last  
year's appropriations bills that died on the floor.

If anybody is applying, please let me know off list and I'm happy to  
be a resource to you.
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:


Who was your congressman woman or senator? Share some of your  
experiences > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date:  
Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any one on  
the list trying the American Association People with disabilities  
internship for the summer?> > Hi Albert,> > I participated last summer  
-- feel free to e-mail me off-list with > questions.> > Corbb> > ----- 
 > Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A.  
Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan 2, 2009, at 2:41 PM,  
Albert Yoo wrote:> > > >  
_________________________________________________________________>  
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows >  
Vista®.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/>  
_______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To  
unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >  
nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com 
 > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing  
list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 06:23:28 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:23:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
In-Reply-To: <E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net><1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91><df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com>
	<26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
Message-ID: <415E1B48-D78C-461C-8CA7-350BA9C3C4A3@gmail.com>

I don't know specifically about accessibility with the Victor Stream.  
But music purchased from the iTunes store is encoded with .m4p, a  
protected and proprietary file type. Whether Apple has released a  
"key" to Victor Stream, I do not know, but I doubt it. Amazon's  
downloads are .mp3.

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:05 PM, gmail wrote:

Greetings,
  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to  
answer them.
  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need  
a room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you  
know of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really  
excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been  
having lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I  
haven't had very much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod,  
in addition to reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes  
offers MP3 filetypes, or any other filetypes that might work on the  
Victor Streem. JAWS has not been as accessible with ITunes as I  
expected. I hope it is just the operator and not the program.
  Thank you very much.
  At your service,
  Nijat


----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 >
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads


> Merisa,
>
> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the  
> magic  of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube  
> Downloader  if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a  
> strong advocate  for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or  
> Amazon are the ones  that I typically use.
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>
> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
> Thanks!
> Merisa
>
> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.    
>> Youtube is
>> the best one I can think of.
>> Ashley
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>
>>
>>> hello all,
>>>
>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!   
>>> anyway, i
>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google  
>>> search  for
>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking  
>>> for  them
>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and  
>>> use  them
>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>>> wondering
>>>
>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>
>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hugs,
>>> from amy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>> for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
> for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
> for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 07:44:03 2009
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 00:44:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net><1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91><df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com><26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
Message-ID: <187C6125090346F8A1121A80FF892173@Bird>

Hello Nijat and many Gushlar,

Itunes does allow MP3 and other filetypes. You need to go into preferences 
and look for it there.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 21:05
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads


> Greetings,
>   I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to answer 
> them.
>   My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
> room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you know 
> of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>   Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really 
> excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having 
> lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had very 
> much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition to 
> reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, 
> or any other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not 
> been as accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is just the 
> operator and not the program.
>   Thank you very much.
>   At your service,
>   Nijat
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> Merisa,
>>
>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic 
>> of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader 
>> if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate 
>> for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones  that 
>> I typically use.
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>> Thanks!
>> Merisa
>>
>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.   Youtube 
>>> is
>>> the best one I can think of.
>>> Ashley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello all,
>>>>
>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far! 
>>>> anyway, i
>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search  for
>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for 
>>>> them
>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use 
>>>> them
>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was 
>>>> wondering
>>>>
>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>
>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hugs,
>>>> from amy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com
> 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 13:54:35 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:54:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes music on Victor Stream
In-Reply-To: <415E1B48-D78C-461C-8CA7-350BA9C3C4A3@gmail.com>
References: <26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
	<415E1B48-D78C-461C-8CA7-350BA9C3C4A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090107135435.GB79733@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The Victor Stream does not support AAC encoded files from iTunes or from 
anywhere else.  The are Apple-not-sanctioned means of removing the DRM from 
iTunes music so that it can be played back on non-Apple music players, but 
the Victor Stream doesn't support the underlying format.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:23:28AM -0500, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
> I don't know specifically about accessibility with the Victor Stream.  
> But music purchased from the iTunes store is encoded with .m4p, a  
> protected and proprietary file type. Whether Apple has released a "key" 
> to Victor Stream, I do not know, but I doubt it. Amazon's downloads are 
> .mp3.
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:05 PM, gmail wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to answer 
> them.
>  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
> room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you know 
> of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really  
> excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having 
> lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had very 
> much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition to 
> reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, 
> or any other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not 
> been as accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is just the 
> operator and not the program.
>  Thank you very much.
>  At your service,
>  Nijat
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> Merisa,
>>
>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic  
>> of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader  
>> if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate  
>> for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones  
>> that I typically use.
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>> Thanks!
>> Merisa
>>
>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.    
>>> Youtube is
>>> the best one I can think of.
>>> Ashley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello all,
>>>>
>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!   
>>>> anyway, i
>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search  
>>>> for
>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for  
>>>> them
>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use  
>>>> them
>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>>>> wondering
>>>>
>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>
>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hugs,
>>>> from amy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>>> for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 14:37:23 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:37:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the
	American	Association	People with disabilities internship for
	the summer?
In-Reply-To: <89294641-76AF-4783-9FDA-DD1E1AF0F272@gmail.com>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl> 
	<89294641-76AF-4783-9FDA-DD1E1AF0F272@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W14C61AA768DE64151A7BB88BDF0@phx.gbl>


Corb, and for all students, is there a certain gpa requirement when applying for the internship? That is what worries me about applying for one of these internships Does your name get put in to a database for senators to choose a certain person to intern in their office? i have all ready looked at the application for the internship. dDr. Kang a korean blind PHD told me about these internships. Dr. Kang was in President bBush's administration as the disability advisor. If any students wants to read his book it is called My Disability god's Ability seven triumphs 
 
By Young Woo Kang. Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:21:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association People with disabilities internship for the summer?> > Happy to -- Before I do, though, I should point out that the > internship is not just the product of the American Association of > People with Disabilities. It's funded by the Mitsubishi Electric > America Foundation, who sponsors lots of programs for inclusion of > youth with disabilities. It's because of their support that you > receive a $1,500 stipend plus housing plus airfare for the > summer...not a bad gig at all!> > I worked for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton...the powerful, friendly, > and eloquent Senator from New York, at least for a few more days. All > Congressional offices are set up differently, but I'll give my > account. For the first few days and weeks, Senator Clinton's interns > are assigned to different projects rather than focused. This is used > by the staff to see where folks best fit. Hint for anyone applying for > internships: be ready for this question on your first day, "Where do > you want to focus your work and what do you want to learn from it?" A > strong yet concise answer tends to get you that position. I wanted to > work with her press team, and that's where I ended up. Most of our > work was "intern-like," for my team it was cutting press clips and > scanning them into an archive system...I worked in July and they were > backlogged from March!...but there were some exciting times, like > transcribing comments on the floor of the Senate or in committees. I > also gave Capitol Tours, something that my boss said I didn't have to > do if it was troublesome, but I did it and was glad that I did -- > those tours were some of the best times for I had the chance to teach > constituents about the legislative process...even some from Britain, > who were impressed that I knew their system well enough to make > comparisons! Anyway -- the experiences are what you make of them; go > in being dedicated and focused, and you'll take a lot away. Ask > questions when you can, and invite staff to lunch or find random > staffers in the cafeteria...some of the best conversations that I had > with Hill staffers were ones that I randomly found at lunchtime. Other > interns, though, didn't have as great of an experience because they > waited for the staff to assign them projects and didn't seek them out; > folks waited until they were "good enough" sorting mail to ask to move > on, yet by then it was too late. Sure, do what they ask you to do, but > be ready to jump up when somebody needs an intern...maybe it's running > a silly errand--like buying stamps--or maybe it's taking a statement > to the floor, or--as my co-press intern found one day--it was > escorting the Senator and her bags to her office. It's an action- > packed place on the Capitol, and with the majority skewed more than in > the 110th Congress, more is likely to happen...as opposed to last > year's appropriations bills that died on the floor.> > If anybody is applying, please let me know off list and I'm happy to > be a resource to you.> Corbb> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:> > > Who was your congressman woman or senator? Share some of your > experiences > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: > Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any one on > the list trying the American Association People with disabilities > internship for the summer?> > Hi Albert,> > I participated last summer > -- feel free to e-mail me off-list with > questions.> > Corbb> > ----- > > Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. > Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan 2, 2009, at 2:41 PM, > Albert Yoo wrote:> > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows > > Vista®.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com> _________________________________________________________________> Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows LiveTM Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. 
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009

From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 16:38:27 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:38:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
In-Reply-To: <187C6125090346F8A1121A80FF892173@Bird>
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net><1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91><df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com><26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
	<187C6125090346F8A1121A80FF892173@Bird>
Message-ID: <568CD43B-5CA9-4C9F-BBA6-5E3D7AD0A4FA@gmail.com>

Beth,

What I am referring to is music purchased via the iTunes Music  
Store...those are encrypted files.

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:

Hello Nijat and many Gushlar,

Itunes does allow MP3 and other filetypes. You need to go into  
preferences and look for it there.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 >
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 21:05
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads


> Greetings,
>  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to  
> answer them.
>  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone  
> need a room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or  
> if you know of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was  
> really excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have  
> been having lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I  
> haven't had very much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an  
> IPod, in addition to reading books on it, and I was wondering if  
> ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, or any other filetypes that might work  
> on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not been as accessible with ITunes as  
> I expected. I hope it is just the operator and not the program.
>  Thank you very much.
>  At your service,
>  Nijat
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> >
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> Merisa,
>>
>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the  
>> magic of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube  
>> Downloader if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a  
>> strong advocate for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or  
>> Amazon are the ones  that I typically use.
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>> Thanks!
>> Merisa
>>
>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.    
>>> Youtube is
>>> the best one I can think of.
>>> Ashley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello all,
>>>>
>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!  
>>>> anyway, i
>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google  
>>>> search  for
>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking  
>>>> for them
>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and  
>>>> use them
>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>>>> wondering
>>>>
>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>
>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hugs,
>>>> from amy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>>> for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>> for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>> for nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>> for nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
> for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 16:42:32 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:42:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the
	American	Association	People with disabilities internship for
	the summer?
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W14C61AA768DE64151A7BB88BDF0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl>
	<89294641-76AF-4783-9FDA-DD1E1AF0F272@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W14C61AA768DE64151A7BB88BDF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8DCFD48A-31BA-47E0-A027-E7CB13A7528C@gmail.com>

I am not aware of a GPA requirement for the MEAF/AAPD Congressional or  
Microsoft/AAPD Information Technology Internships. You apply to be a  
part of this program, and then apply separately to Congressional  
offices, just as a person without a disability would apply. The  
program tries to help you get a placement by meeting with coordinators  
on your behalf, but don't rely on that! See what you can do on your  
own, too -- it makes getting a placement an even greater  
accomplishment, as competition on The Hill is tough for internships.  
You have an advantage with the MEAF program, though, as they provide a  
stipend, housing, and transportation subsidies -- most other interns  
pay for all of that themselves.

Best of luck  -- and apply soon!
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Albert Yoo wrote:


Corb, and for all students, is there a certain gpa requirement when  
applying for the internship? That is what worries me about applying  
for one of these internships Does your name get put in to a database  
for senators to choose a certain person to intern in their office? i  
have all ready looked at the application for the internship. dDr. Kang  
a korean blind PHD told me about these internships. Dr. Kang was in  
President bBush's administration as the disability advisor. If any  
students wants to read his book it is called My Disability god's  
Ability seven triumphs

By Young Woo Kang. Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs- 
l at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:21:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs- 
l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association People with  
disabilities internship for the summer?> > Happy to -- Before I do,  
though, I should point out that the > internship is not just the  
product of the American Association of > People with Disabilities.  
It's funded by the Mitsubishi Electric > America Foundation, who  
sponsors lots of programs for inclusion of > youth with disabilities.  
It's because of their support that you > receive a $1,500 stipend plus  
housing plus airfare for the > summer...not a bad gig at all!> > I  
worked for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton...the powerful, friendly, >  
and eloquent Senator from New York, at least for a few more days. All  
 > Congressional offices are set up differently, but I'll give my >  
account. For the first few days and weeks, Senator Clinton's interns >  
are assigned to different projects rather than focused. This is used >  
by the staff to see where folks best fit. Hint for anyone applying for  
 > internships: be ready for this question on your first day, "Where  
do > you want to focus your work and what do you want to learn from  
it?" A > strong yet concise answer tends to get you that position. I  
wanted to > work with her press team, and that's where I ended up.  
Most of our > work was "intern-like," for my team it was cutting press  
clips and > scanning them into an archive system...I worked in July  
and they were > backlogged from March!...but there were some exciting  
times, like > transcribing comments on the floor of the Senate or in  
committees. I > also gave Capitol Tours, something that my boss said I  
didn't have to > do if it was troublesome, but I did it and was glad  
that I did -- > those tours were some of the best times for I had the  
chance to teach > constituents about the legislative process...even  
some from Britain, > who were impressed that I knew their system well  
enough to make > comparisons! Anyway -- the experiences are what you  
make of them; go > in being dedicated and focused, and you'll take a  
lot away. Ask > questions when you can, and invite staff to lunch or  
find random > staffers in the cafeteria...some of the best  
conversations that I had > with Hill staffers were ones that I  
randomly found at lunchtime. Other > interns, though, didn't have as  
great of an experience because they > waited for the staff to assign  
them projects and didn't seek them out; > folks waited until they were  
"good enough" sorting mail to ask to move > on, yet by then it was too  
late. Sure, do what they ask you to do, but > be ready to jump up when  
somebody needs an intern...maybe it's running > a silly errand--like  
buying stamps--or maybe it's taking a statement > to the floor, or--as  
my co-press intern found one day--it was > escorting the Senator and  
her bags to her office. It's an action- > packed place on the Capitol,  
and with the majority skewed more than in > the 110th Congress, more  
is likely to happen...as opposed to last > year's appropriations bills  
that died on the floor.> > If anybody is applying, please let me know  
off list and I'm happy to > be a resource to you.> Corbb> > ----->  
Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political  
Communication & Economics> > On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Albert Yoo  
wrote:> > > Who was your congressman woman or senator? Share some of  
your > experiences > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  
Date: > Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any  
one on > the list trying the American Association People with  
disabilities > internship for the summer?> > Hi Albert,> > I  
participated last summer > -- feel free to e-mail me off-list with >  
questions.> > Corbb> > ----- > > Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington  
University '10> B.A. > Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan  
2, 2009, at 2:41 PM, > Albert Yoo wrote:> > > > >  
_________________________________________________________________> >  
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows > >  
Vista®.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> >  
_______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
  > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To >  
unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >  
nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com 
  > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l  
mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account  
info > for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com 
 > _________________________________________________________________>  
Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 
 > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing  
list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com 
 > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing  
list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows LiveTM Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail.
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From jess28 at samobile.net  Wed Jan  7 16:44:22 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:44:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
 NABS affiliate in New York State?
Message-ID: <20090107164422.15891.80132@biff.serotek.com>

Hello,
I'm interested in getting involved with the National Association for 
Blind Students in New York State but I seem to be having trouble 
getting in contact with the person in charge of the group. Any 
assistance that could be given would be wonderful thanking you in 
advance. Please contact me at the following email address 
jessica.trask at creagan1.org

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 18:48:35 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:48:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
	NABS affiliate in New York State?
In-Reply-To: <20090107164422.15891.80132@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <4964f906.1b17400a.4251.45f6@mx.google.com>

Dear Jessica,
I don't know the NABS NY President, likely someone here will, but I also
recommend contacting Carl Jacobson the state affiliate President, Carl is a
great guy (also practically a bronze statue in terms of years of involvement
and knowledge) and also Maria Garcia the Parent division state president.
Sometimes calling gets better results than email--in any case or place,
depends... so try and call too.

Their contact info from the nfb site is:
NFB of New York
Carl Jacobsen, President 
471 63rd Street 
Brooklyn, New York 11220-4617 
NFB of NY: 718-567-7821
E-mail: office at nfbny.org
Web site: http://www.nfbny.org/ 

NFB Parents of Blind Children
Maria Garcia, President
New York Parents of Blind Children
New York, New York
Phone: 212-222-1705
E-mail: pobcny at verizon.net
Web site: http://www.pobcny.org/


Cordially, 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jessica Trask
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:44 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
NABS affiliate in New York State?

Hello,
I'm interested in getting involved with the National Association for 
Blind Students in New York State but I seem to be having trouble 
getting in contact with the person in charge of the group. Any 
assistance that could be given would be wonderful thanking you in 
advance. Please contact me at the following email address 
jessica.trask at creagan1.org

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From terri.rupp at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:13:48 2009
From: terri.rupp at gmail.com (Terri Rupp)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Internship Opportunity from NFBI
Message-ID: <a0d584a0901071313t1211e991s18dda525e259c4e@mail.gmail.com>

I have attached an application for a summer internship program being
sponsored by the NFB of IL.  Please take a look and it and take advantage of
the opportunity.
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: externshp ap with logo 2009.doc
Type: application/msword
Size: 110592 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/attachments/20090107/1a53d95f/attachment.doc>

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan  7 21:45:58 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 15:45:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
In-Reply-To: <568CD43B-5CA9-4C9F-BBA6-5E3D7AD0A4FA@gmail.com>
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>
	<1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91>
	<df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com>
	<26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
	<187C6125090346F8A1121A80FF892173@Bird>
	<568CD43B-5CA9-4C9F-BBA6-5E3D7AD0A4FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000080896656@mailfront1.g2host.com>

iTunes announced yesterday that they were lowering prices in some 
cases, and dropping DRM.

Dave

Apparently DRM will be stripped from most files in their catalog, but 
if you bought something in the past with protection it will stay.

Dave

At 10:38 AM 1/7/2009, you wrote:
>Beth,
>
>What I am referring to is music purchased via the iTunes Music
>Store...those are encrypted files.
>
>-----
>Corbb O'Connor
>The George Washington University '10
>B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
>On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>
>Hello Nijat and many Gushlar,
>
>Itunes does allow MP3 and other filetypes. You need to go into
>preferences and look for it there.
>
>Ben
>----- Original Message ----- From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org >
>Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 21:05
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>>Greetings,
>>  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to
>>answer them.
>>  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone
>>need a room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or
>>if you know of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>>  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was
>>really excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have
>>been having lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I
>>haven't had very much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an
>>IPod, in addition to reading books on it, and I was wondering if
>>ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, or any other filetypes that might work
>>on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not been as accessible with ITunes as
>>I expected. I hope it is just the operator and not the program.
>>  Thank you very much.
>>  At your service,
>>  Nijat
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org >
>>Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>
>>
>>>Merisa,
>>>
>>>You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the
>>>magic of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube
>>>Downloader if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a
>>>strong advocate for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or
>>>Amazon are the ones  that I typically use.
>>>
>>>-----
>>>Corbb O'Connor
>>>The George Washington University '10
>>>B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>>
>>>On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>>>on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>>>Thanks!
>>>Merisa
>>>
>>>On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.
>>>>Youtube is
>>>>the best one I can think of.
>>>>Ashley
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>>>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>>first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!
>>>>>anyway, i
>>>>>know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google
>>>>>search  for
>>>>>free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking
>>>>>for them
>>>>>and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and
>>>>>use them
>>>>>emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was
>>>>>wondering
>>>>>
>>>>>which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>from amy
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>for
>>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>for
>>>>nabs-l:
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>for nabs-l:
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>for nabs-l:
>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>for nabs-l:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:49:04 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:49:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Internship Opportunity from NFBI
In-Reply-To: <a0d584a0901071313t1211e991s18dda525e259c4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0d584a0901071313t1211e991s18dda525e259c4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W56751DAE4416C4CBB2BBCA8BDF0@phx.gbl>


You have to be a resident or a student in Chicago to apply for these internships. That is what is in the criteria. Albert> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:13:48 -0500> From: terri.rupp at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Internship Opportunity from NFBI> > I have attached an application for a summer internship program being> sponsored by the NFB of IL. Please take a look and it and take advantage of> the opportunity.
_________________________________________________________________
Windows LiveTM Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. 
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:54:05 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:54:05 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] loading pictures on to a computer
In-Reply-To: <10537.37948.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <10537.37948.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901071354t32b47370w9017695fc7d71cf8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cindy,

Usually I sit down with a sighted person to select the pictures that I
want to keep or upload, and then I name each of them based on what
they are of. Later I can go into my pictures folder on my own and find
the specific pictures I want based on their labels.

I imagine you  could do it without sighted help if you were sure that
all the photos on your SD card were ones you wanted to keep or include
in your photo album, but you still wouldn't know which picture was
which.

Arielle

On 1/6/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Have any of you been able to successfully load pictures onto your computer
> or a website such as facebook blind? From what i have observed, it is very
> difficult, and i always end up having to ask someone to do it for me. I know
> that even if i could get the pictures onto the computer or a website, i
> would have to ask someone which ones were which, but i was curious if any of
> you had any tips.
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:55:24 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:55:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying
	the	American	Association	People with disabilities internship
	for	the summer?
In-Reply-To: <8DCFD48A-31BA-47E0-A027-E7CB13A7528C@gmail.com>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl>
	<89294641-76AF-4783-9FDA-DD1E1AF0F272@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W14C61AA768DE64151A7BB88BDF0@phx.gbl> 
	<8DCFD48A-31BA-47E0-A027-E7CB13A7528C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W807E89394C8F4E67F2323A8BDF0@phx.gbl>


Corb, and other students the meaf program takes 10 students the aapd internships take 8 people. Wow! very competitive Corb, how did you Hilary Clinton's office to work at? Thank you for sharing your experience. This is good information for any student to know when they fill out the application. The process is quick. You find out in February. > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:42:32 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association People with disabilities internship for the summer?> > I am not aware of a GPA requirement for the MEAF/AAPD Congressional or > Microsoft/AAPD Information Technology Internships. You apply to be a > part of this program, and then apply separately to Congressional > offices, just as a person without a disability would apply. The > program tries to help you get a placement by meeting with coordinators > on your behalf, but don't rely on that! See what you can do on your > own, too -- it makes getting a placement an even greater > accomplishment, as competition on The Hill is tough for internships. > You have an advantage with the MEAF program, though, as they provide a > stipend, housing, and transportation subsidies -- most other interns > pay for all of that themselves.> > Best of luck -- and apply soon!> Corbb> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Albert Yoo wrote:> > > Corb, and for all students, is there a certain gpa requirement when > applying for the internship? That is what worries me about applying > for one of these internships Does your name get put in to a database > for senators to choose a certain person to intern in their office? i > have all ready looked at the application for the internship. dDr. Kang > a korean blind PHD told me about these internships. Dr. Kang was in > President bBush's administration as the disability advisor. If any > students wants to read his book it is called My Disability god's > Ability seven triumphs> > By Young Woo Kang. Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs- > l at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:21:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs- > l] Is any one on the list trying the American Association People with > disabilities internship for the summer?> > Happy to -- Before I do, > though, I should point out that the > internship is not just the > product of the American Association of > People with Disabilities. > It's funded by the Mitsubishi Electric > America Foundation, who > sponsors lots of programs for inclusion of > youth with disabilities. > It's because of their support that you > receive a $1,500 stipend plus > housing plus airfare for the > summer...not a bad gig at all!> > I > worked for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton...the powerful, friendly, > > and eloquent Senator from New York, at least for a few more days. All > > Congressional offices are set up differently, but I'll give my > > account. For the first few days and weeks, Senator Clinton's interns > > are assigned to different projects rather than focused. This is used > > by the staff to see where folks best fit. Hint for anyone applying for > > internships: be ready for this question on your first day, "Where > do > you want to focus your work and what do you want to learn from > it?" A > strong yet concise answer tends to get you that position. I > wanted to > work with her press team, and that's where I ended up. > Most of our > work was "intern-like," for my team it was cutting press > clips and > scanning them into an archive system...I worked in July > and they were > backlogged from March!...but there were some exciting > times, like > transcribing comments on the floor of the Senate or in > committees. I > also gave Capitol Tours, something that my boss said I > didn't have to > do if it was troublesome, but I did it and was glad > that I did -- > those tours were some of the best times for I had the > chance to teach > constituents about the legislative process...even > some from Britain, > who were impressed that I knew their system well > enough to make > comparisons! Anyway -- the experiences are what you > make of them; go > in being dedicated and focused, and you'll take a > lot away. Ask > questions when you can, and invite staff to lunch or > find random > staffers in the cafeteria...some of the best > conversations that I had > with Hill staffers were ones that I > randomly found at lunchtime. Other > interns, though, didn't have as > great of an experience because they > waited for the staff to assign > them projects and didn't seek them out; > folks waited until they were > "good enough" sorting mail to ask to move > on, yet by then it was too > late. Sure, do what they ask you to do, but > be ready to jump up when > somebody needs an intern...maybe it's running > a silly errand--like > buying stamps--or maybe it's taking a statement > to the floor, or--as > my co-press intern found one day--it was > escorting the Senator and > her bags to her office. It's an action- > packed place on the Capitol, > and with the majority skewed more than in > the 110th Congress, more > is likely to happen...as opposed to last > year's appropriations bills > that died on the floor.> > If anybody is applying, please let me know > off list and I'm happy to > be a resource to you.> Corbb> > -----> > Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political > Communication & Economics> > On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Albert Yoo > wrote:> > > Who was your congressman woman or senator? Share some of > your > experiences > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Date: > Sat, 3 Jan 2009 03:22:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any > one on > the list trying the American Association People with > disabilities > internship for the summer?> > Hi Albert,> > I > participated last summer > -- feel free to e-mail me off-list with > > questions.> > Corbb> > ----- > > Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington > University '10> B.A. > Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan > 2, 2009, at 2:41 PM, > Albert Yoo wrote:> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________> > > Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows > > > Vista®.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To > > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l > mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________> > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com> _________________________________________________________________> Windows LiveTM Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail.> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows LiveTM: Keep your life in sync. 
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009

From terri.rupp at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 22:11:06 2009
From: terri.rupp at gmail.com (Terri Rupp)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:11:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] AAPD Summer Internships (Aps deadline this Fri Jan 9th)
Message-ID: <a0d584a0901071411i31724db3j7497fc5e17040a1b@mail.gmail.com>

Here is an email I found burried in my inbox.  Sorry I didn't pass it along
earlier.  I hope there is someone here who is interested and can meet the
January 9th deadline.
Terri Rupp

Hi Terri,

Dan Goldstein just got an update from the American Association of People
with Disabilities (AAPD).  They are accepting applications for Summer
Internships in Washington, DC with a deadline of January 9, 2009.  Not sure
if you are aware of this already, but thought we'd pass it on to you in case
you want to share this with the NABS community.  Here's a link to the
website about the internship:
http://aapd.com/AAPDRedesign/DMD/DMDinternships.html.  Hope you had a good
weekend.

Happy Holidays!
Mehgan

Mehgan Sidhu
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
120 East Baltimore Street, Suite 1700
Baltimore, Maryland 21202
410-962-1030 x1324
410-385-0869 (fax)
ms at browngold.com
www.browngold.com

From srp at internode.on.net  Wed Jan  7 22:17:40 2009
From: srp at internode.on.net (Steve Pattison)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:17:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Window-Eyes 7.1 to Include 64-Bit Support
Message-ID: <auto-000080902434@mailfront1.g2host.com>


GW Micro is pleased to announce the current development plans for 
Window-Eyes 7.1 include full support for 64-bit versions of Windows 
Vista, and Windows Server 2008 operating systems.

The computer industry adoption of 64-bit CPUs has been swift, and 
we're working hard to make sure those customers who need access to 
64-bit operating systems will not be excluded.

The Window-Eyes development process is moving ahead rapidly. We 
expect to provide a release date and additional feature information 
for Window-Eyes 7.1 in the near future.

In addition to 64-bit support for Windows Vista and Windows Server 
2008, Window-Eyes 7.1 will continue to support the 32-bit versions of 
Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows Server. The 
32-bit version of Window-Eyes 7.1 will be a FREE download for all 
Window-Eyes 7.X customers. The 64-bit version of Window-Eyes 7.1 will 
be available on CD only for a minimal charge for all Window-Eyes 7.X 
customers (a CD is required for the 64-bit version due to new 
installation procedures required for 64-bit operating systems).

Stay tuned for more information. 




From jess28 at samobile.net  Wed Jan  7 22:44:41 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:44:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about
 the	NABS affiliate in New York State?
Message-ID: <20090107224441.14222.49380@biff.serotek.com>

Carrie,
I even tried asking are local affiliate president in or the contact 
person I was i heard from and he said he didn't know. If it's not an 
active group anymore then I might consider trying to get it active once again.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Wed Jan  7 23:34:21 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:34:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rfbd's audio download manager
Message-ID: <20090107232747.XCPL6316.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hi all.  If anyone uses Rfbd's audio download managereac you 
email me privately? I'm having a problem.  The files won't play.  
I don's usewindows media player, I hx installed, but prefer to 
use winamp.  Is there anyway to convertthe files into a format 
that is played by winamp?
Thanks.  The only reason I ask  this  on this list  is because 
it's textbook related.
Hope and Beignet


From jess28 at samobile.net  Thu Jan  8 00:37:53 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:37:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rfbd's audio download manager
Message-ID: <20090108003753.4129.12609@biff.serotek.com>

Hope,
What is the ending on the file because if it's mp3 or wma it should be 
able to play in Winamp? If  RFB&D uses a properitery format you maybe 
stuck with using Windows Media.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From corbbo at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 01:38:47 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 20:38:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any one on the list trying
	the	American	Association	People with disabilities internship
	for	the summer?
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W807E89394C8F4E67F2323A8BDF0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL115-W9C722611C1B3C75915DED8BE20@phx.gbl>
	<A6AD1061-4483-410F-8BFF-9E6FAC80C439@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W45CCB4DC23B34DF16DB8C78BDF0@phx.gbl>
	<89294641-76AF-4783-9FDA-DD1E1AF0F272@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W14C61AA768DE64151A7BB88BDF0@phx.gbl>
	<8DCFD48A-31BA-47E0-A027-E7CB13A7528C@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W807E89394C8F4E67F2323A8BDF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BF5EFF56-0607-494E-8DB9-0AAFB3A79A33@gmail.com>

Just want to clarify that there are TWO distinct programs operated by  
the American Association of People with Disabilities. One is for  
Congressional interns; the other is for Information Technology minded  
folk who will work within the Executive Branch agencies. The IT  
program takes 10 students; the Congressional program takes eight. Yes,  
it's competitive, but you'll all do well, I'm sure!

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 7, 2009, at 4:55 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:


Corb, and other students the meaf program takes 10 students the aapd  
internships take 8 people. Wow! very competitive Corb, how did you  
Hilary Clinton's office to work at? Thank you for sharing your  
experience. This is good information for any student to know when they  
fill out the application. The process is quick. You find out in  
February. > From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed,  
7 Jan 2009 11:42:32 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any one on the  
list trying the American Association People with disabilities  
internship for the summer?> > I am not aware of a GPA requirement for  
the MEAF/AAPD Congressional or > Microsoft/AAPD Information Technology  
Internships. You apply to be a > part of this program, and then apply  
separately to Congressional > offices, just as a person without a  
disability would apply. The > program tries to help you get a  
placement by meeting with coordinators > on your behalf, but don't  
rely on that! See what you can do on your > own, too -- it makes  
getting a placement an even greater > accomplishment, as competition  
on The Hill is tough for internships. > You have an advantage with the  
MEAF program, though, as they provide a > stipend, housing, and  
transportation subsidies -- most other interns > pay for all of that  
themselves.> > Best of luck -- and apply soon!> Corbb> > -----> Corbb  
O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political  
Communication & Economics> > On Jan 7, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Albert Yoo  
wrote:> > > Corb, and for all students, is there a certain gpa  
requirement when > applying for the internship? That is what worries  
me about applying > for one of these internships Does your name get  
put in to a database > for senators to choose a certain person to  
intern in their office? i > have all ready looked at the application  
for the internship. dDr. Kang > a korean blind PHD told me about these  
internships. Dr. Kang was in > President bBush's administration as the  
disability advisor. If any > students wants to read his book it is  
called My Disability god's > Ability seven triumphs> > By Young Woo  
Kang. Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs- > l at nfbnet.org> Date:  
Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:21:27 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs- > l] Is any one on  
the list trying the American Association People with > disabilities  
internship for the summer?> > Happy to -- Before I do, > though, I  
should point out that the > internship is not just the > product of  
the American Association of > People with Disabilities. > It's funded  
by the Mitsubishi Electric > America Foundation, who > sponsors lots  
of programs for inclusion of > youth with disabilities. > It's because  
of their support that you > receive a $1,500 stipend plus > housing  
plus airfare for the > summer...not a bad gig at all!> > I > worked  
for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton...the powerful, friendly, > > and  
eloquent Senator from New York, at least for a few more days. All > >  
Congressional offices are set up differently, but I'll give my > >  
account. For the first few days and weeks, Senator Clinton's interns >  
 > are assigned to different projects rather than focused. This is  
used > > by the staff to see where folks best fit. Hint for anyone  
applying for > > internships: be ready for this question on your first  
day, "Where > do > you want to focus your work and what do you want to  
learn from > it?" A > strong yet concise answer tends to get you that  
position. I > wanted to > work with her press team, and that's where I  
ended up. > Most of our > work was "intern-like," for my team it was  
cutting press > clips and > scanning them into an archive system...I  
worked in July > and they were > backlogged from March!...but there  
were some exciting > times, like > transcribing comments on the floor  
of the Senate or in > committees. I > also gave Capitol Tours,  
something that my boss said I > didn't have to > do if it was  
troublesome, but I did it and was glad > that I did -- > those tours  
were some of the best times for I had the > chance to teach >  
constituents about the legislative process...even > some from Britain,  
 > who were impressed that I knew their system well > enough to make >  
comparisons! Anyway -- the experiences are what you > make of them; go  
 > in being dedicated and focused, and you'll take a > lot away. Ask >  
questions when you can, and invite staff to lunch or > find random >  
staffers in the cafeteria...some of the best > conversations that I  
had > with Hill staffers were ones that I > randomly found at  
lunchtime. Other > interns, though, didn't have as > great of an  
experience because they > waited for the staff to assign > them  
projects and didn't seek them out; > folks waited until they were >  
"good enough" sorting mail to ask to move > on, yet by then it was too  
 > late. Sure, do what they ask you to do, but > be ready to jump up  
when > somebody needs an intern...maybe it's running > a silly errand-- 
like > buying stamps--or maybe it's taking a statement > to the floor,  
or--as > my co-press intern found one day--it was > escorting the  
Senator and > her bags to her office. It's an action- > packed place  
on the Capitol, > and with the majority skewed more than in > the  
110th Congress, more > is likely to happen...as opposed to last >  
year's appropriations bills > that died on the floor.> > If anybody is  
applying, please let me know > off list and I'm happy to > be a  
resource to you.> Corbb> > -----> > Corbb O'Connor> The George  
Washington University '10> B.A. Political > Communication & Economics>  
 > On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Albert Yoo > wrote:> > > Who was your  
congressman woman or senator? Share some of > your > experiences >  
From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Date: > Sat, 3 Jan  
2009 03:22:59 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Is any > one on > the list  
trying the American Association People with > disabilities >  
internship for the summer?> > Hi Albert,> > I > participated last  
summer > -- feel free to e-mail me off-list with > > questions.> >  
Corbb> > ----- > > Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington > University  
'10> B.A. > Political Communication & Economics> > On Jan > 2, 2009,  
at 2:41 PM, > Albert Yoo wrote:> > > > > >  
_________________________________________________________________> > >  
Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows > >  
 > Vista®.> http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/> > >  
_______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
  > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To >  
 > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
 > > > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com 
  > > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l >  
mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
  > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >  
info > for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com 
  > >  
_________________________________________________________________> >  
Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.> http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 
  > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing  
 > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account  
info > for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com 
  > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l  
mailing > list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account  
info > for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com 
 > _________________________________________________________________>  
Windows LiveTM Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail.> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 
 > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing  
list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
for > nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com 
 > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing  
list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows LiveTM: Keep your life in sync.
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 01:46:07 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 19:46:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about
	the	NABS affiliate in New York State?
In-Reply-To: <20090107224441.14222.49380@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <49655ae4.0e35640a.6745.ffff84fc@mx.google.com>

Dear Jessica,
Do you mean you contacted a local chapter president? Do you mean he didn't
know if there was a NY NABS or he didn't know how to contact the NABS
president? Was it Carl Jacobsen, because I think Carl would know if there
was an elected office held and a NABS officially formed with offices held in
your state.

I am sure if it is not active Carl would be very happy to have it active
again in New York. Call Carl and tell him Carrie Gilmer sent you-smile, but
serious. Carl and I belong to a mutual admiration society, smile. (In fact I
decided to copy this to Carl!)Hi Carl!

Try Maria too, even just to get connected with her.

I look forward to hearing where you go from here!
Best,

Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jessica Trask
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:45 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
NABS affiliate in New York State?

Carrie,
I even tried asking are local affiliate president in or the contact 
person I was i heard from and he said he didn't know. If it's not an 
active group anymore then I might consider trying to get it active once
again.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From jess28 at samobile.net  Thu Jan  8 12:26:40 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:26:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information
 about	the	NABS affiliate in New York State?
Message-ID: <20090108122640.28280.76232@biff.serotek.com>

Carrie,
Charlie Richardson is the president of the  capitol region chapter of 
the NFB in New York State. I'll try and get in contact with the with 
both the other people you suggested.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 13:41:55 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 05:41:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
In-Reply-To: <568CD43B-5CA9-4C9F-BBA6-5E3D7AD0A4FA@gmail.com>
References: <E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
	<187C6125090346F8A1121A80FF892173@Bird>
	<568CD43B-5CA9-4C9F-BBA6-5E3D7AD0A4FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090108134155.GA86572@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Not anymore they're not.  *grin*  Apple is going DRM-free at long last.  
The transition will be complete as of the end of March, they say.  Thirty 
cents to go from a DRM-encrypted track to not DRM-encrypted.  Of course, 
Requiem is still not an Apple-sanctioned solution (they want you to pay).

Pricing will also vary on new tracks based on the blatant extortion of the 
record labels before they'd let Apple do it DRM-free.  I was sure that'd 
happen eventually.  They're all reasonable corporate entities--if enough 
money changes hands, each will do whatever the others want.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:38:27AM -0500, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
> Beth,
>
> What I am referring to is music purchased via the iTunes Music  
> Store...those are encrypted files.
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 7, 2009, at 2:44 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren wrote:
>
> Hello Nijat and many Gushlar,
>
> Itunes does allow MP3 and other filetypes. You need to go into  
> preferences and look for it there.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 21:05
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to  
>> answer them.
>>  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
>> room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you 
>> know of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>>  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really 
>> excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having 
>> lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had 
>> very much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition 
>> to reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 
>> filetypes, or any other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. 
>> JAWS has not been as accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is 
>> just the operator and not the program.
>>  Thank you very much.
>>  At your service,
>>  Nijat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>
>>
>>> Merisa,
>>>
>>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the  
>>> magic of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube  
>>> Downloader if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a  
>>> strong advocate for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or  
>>> Amazon are the ones  that I typically use.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> The George Washington University '10
>>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Merisa
>>>
>>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.    
>>>> Youtube is
>>>> the best one I can think of.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!  
>>>>> anyway, i
>>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google  
>>>>> search  for
>>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking  
>>>>> for them
>>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and  
>>>>> use them
>>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>>>>> wondering
>>>>>
>>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hugs,
>>>>> from amy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>>> for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>> for nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>> for nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 14:59:49 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 08:59:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information
	about	the	NABS affiliate in New York State?
In-Reply-To: <20090108122640.28280.76232@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <496614ea.1b2a400a.7c63.ffffd2f7@mx.google.com>

Great Jessica, let me know how it turns out and if you need anything else
you know my number-smile.

 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jessica Trask
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:27 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
NABS affiliate in New York State?

Carrie,
Charlie Richardson is the president of the  capitol region chapter of 
the NFB in New York State. I'll try and get in contact with the with 
both the other people you suggested.

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 18:17:43 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 05:17:43 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
	NABS affiliate in New York State?
In-Reply-To: <496614ea.1b2a400a.7c63.ffffd2f7@mx.google.com>
References: <20090108122640.28280.76232@biff.serotek.com>
	<496614ea.1b2a400a.7c63.ffffd2f7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901081017t61e9b0c9xc15bb7a93f7e6716@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jess and all,

As far as I know the NY student division has been active on and off
through the years. Nooria Nodrat was the last president, but I am not
sure if there is an official board of officers established at this
time. The good news though is that since a division has existed
before, it'll be easier for you and other NY students to re-start it.
I know there have been a number of scholarship winners from New York
state who could very well have an interest in helping you to
reorganize the student division; Mr. Jacobsen can give you  their
names.

Also, just as a reminder, every state has a representative from  the
NABS board assigned to it regardless of whether or not you have a
student division organized at present. The regional reps are available
for any NABS members to call upon for help in organizing student
divisions, planning events or dealing with any other issues related to
your student division. The rep for New York is Jennifer Kennedy, who
can be reached at
msjenniferkennedy at gmail.com
Please contact any of us off-list if you aren't sure who your regional rep is.

Cheers
Arielle Silverman
First Vice-President, NABS

On 1/9/09, Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great Jessica, let me know how it turns out and if you need anything else
> you know my number-smile.
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer, President
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
> www.nfb.org/nopbc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jessica Trask
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about the
> NABS affiliate in New York State?
>
> Carrie,
> Charlie Richardson is the president of the  capitol region chapter of
> the NFB in New York State. I'll try and get in contact with the with
> both the other people you suggested.
>
> --
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
> l.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 18:50:50 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:50:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about
	theNABS affiliate in New York State?
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030901081017t61e9b0c9xc15bb7a93f7e6716@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49664b0f.1b2a400a.7c60.fffff07e@mx.google.com>

The regional reps is a great thing Arielle, and something I desire to firm
up better in the parent division. Thanks for bringing that out in to the
open again to remind. I was not aware of this in the student division. Could
you possibly send me privately the entire roster of NABS officers and reps
and contact so I can refer parents and their older students (high school and
near college--sometimes even in early college it is the parent who contacts
and then refers their older student). This would be good and help my
efficiency if I had it in one easy to pull up file.

 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 12:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about
theNABS affiliate in New York State?

Hi Jess and all,

As far as I know the NY student division has been active on and off
through the years. Nooria Nodrat was the last president, but I am not
sure if there is an official board of officers established at this
time. The good news though is that since a division has existed
before, it'll be easier for you and other NY students to re-start it.
I know there have been a number of scholarship winners from New York
state who could very well have an interest in helping you to
reorganize the student division; Mr. Jacobsen can give you  their
names.

Also, just as a reminder, every state has a representative from  the
NABS board assigned to it regardless of whether or not you have a
student division organized at present. The regional reps are available
for any NABS members to call upon for help in organizing student
divisions, planning events or dealing with any other issues related to
your student division. The rep for New York is Jennifer Kennedy, who
can be reached at
msjenniferkennedy at gmail.com
Please contact any of us off-list if you aren't sure who your regional rep
is.

Cheers
Arielle Silverman
First Vice-President, NABS

On 1/9/09, Carrie Gilmer <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great Jessica, let me know how it turns out and if you need anything else
> you know my number-smile.
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer, President
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
> www.nfb.org/nopbc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Jessica Trask
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help need assistance looking for information about
the
> NABS affiliate in New York State?
>
> Carrie,
> Charlie Richardson is the president of the  capitol region chapter of
> the NFB in New York State. I'll try and get in contact with the with
> both the other people you suggested.
>
> --
> Jess
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
> l.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
m
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  8 19:08:21 2009
From: priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com (priscilla)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:08:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] meaf summer internship
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1231437601.6720.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.18.1231437601.6720.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DS148AB4FCD75541B2FCE4FBADC0@phx.gbl>

hey all,

I  am actually applying for the meaf congressional internship.
I really hope to get in to the internship since this is a grate opportunity 
to work in the congress.
This is important since I am a major of international relations.

Thank you very much.

any questions please reply.
I only need a letter of recommendation basically to finish the application, 
but I really want to work at Washington.
its one of my dreams come true.
Priscilla 



From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 20:40:49 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (gmail)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:40:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
References: <010320092211.26286.495FE28300081009000066AE2200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net><1395C72B6B894DC686715419F14E3AF1@D1GMNL91><df5bac6d0901031622h6e5ea722qdba751b4b40f462@mail.gmail.com><26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com><E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
	<187C6125090346F8A1121A80FF892173@Bird>
Message-ID: <6D81AB7DC42543FB8410EFE6831BBAA7@Nijatash>

Greetings Ben, and Many Gushlar to you too,
   Thank you very much. I will do that. I hope it works.
   Thank you very much.
   Nijat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben J. Bloomgren" <ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads


> Hello Nijat and many Gushlar,
>
> Itunes does allow MP3 and other filetypes. You need to go into preferences 
> and look for it there.
>
> Ben
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 21:05
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> Greetings,
>>   I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to answer 
>> them.
>>   My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
>> room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you know 
>> of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>>   Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really 
>> excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having 
>> lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had very 
>> much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition to 
>> reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, 
>> or any other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not 
>> been as accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is just the 
>> operator and not the program.
>>   Thank you very much.
>>   At your service,
>>   Nijat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>
>>
>>> Merisa,
>>>
>>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic 
>>> of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader 
>>> if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate 
>>> for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones 
>>> that I typically use.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> The George Washington University '10
>>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Merisa
>>>
>>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money. 
>>>> Youtube is
>>>> the best one I can think of.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far! 
>>>>> anyway, i
>>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search 
>>>>> for
>>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for 
>>>>> them
>>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use 
>>>>> them
>>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was 
>>>>> wondering
>>>>>
>>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hugs,
>>>>> from amy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com 



From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  8 22:03:42 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 17:03:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <0720F49A-B6F1-4853-9945-085C8FFAC34C@gmail.com>
References: <3DB02E1D-D55D-448E-AE62-D7F4ED7C2235@gmail.com>
	<0720F49A-B6F1-4853-9945-085C8FFAC34C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W73D22D2D10E1AD263D57BC8BDC0@phx.gbl>


Corb, how was the conference call on Monday? Were there any plans discussed? Did you even get to have a conference call? Did any one even call in? Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:16:46 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students> > Hello students!> > I am posting this message on the National list as well, for I'm not > sure how many students are on the Virginia list. I'm looking to get > the Virginia division rolling again, and would love your help. If you > attend school in Virginia or the metro-DC area, I'm happy to have you! > Please see below for the message I sent the VABS list, and if you're > interested, please join that list at www.nfbnet.org> > Many thanks and Happy New Year.> Corbb> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > Begin forwarded message:> > From: Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com>> Date: December 31, 2008 5:14:29 PM EST> To: vabs at nfbnet.org> Subject: From your President.> > Happy New Year Virginians!> > Corbb O'Connor here, President of the Virginia Association of Blind > Students. For those who weren't aware, I spent this past semester > abroad at the National University of Ireland, Galway, as was therefore > unable to make it to our state convention. (You see, I told Dr. > Schroeder that I would happily return if he paid my airfare -- I was > told that was not in the budget!) I left you, though, in the very > capable hands of Jessica Kostiw, and I'm glad to hear that she does > not disappoint!> > It's time for us to start moving again as a division. I have had a > great difficulty in reaching our current VABS Board this past year, so > I am hoping that you can all help me.> > I would love to hear your ideas of what we can do this year. But more > importantly, I want your help making those ideas a reality. One of the > first things that I want to focus on is crafting a constitution for > our division. This will involve a lot of discussion, some writing, and > thinking about our division's future.> > To facilitate this, I propose that we hold a conference call either > next Sunday, Jan. 4 or Monday, Jan. 5 at 10pm ET. I have used a > service before at Freeconference.com where you will need to dial a > phone number, enter an access code, and join the conversation. That > phone number is a long-distance number, but my hope is that by holding > this meeting in the evening, we can exploit free long distance minutes > on cell phones!> > In order to give an accurate count of the participants to the > teleconference company, please reply to me with your availability > (either Sunday or Monday) and your e-mail address.> > Best wishes for 2009, and I look forward to working together.> Corbb O'Connor> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. 
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009

From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 00:28:03 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:28:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] meaf summer internship
In-Reply-To: <BAY105-DS148AB4FCD75541B2FCE4FBADC0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.18.1231437601.6720.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<BAY105-DS148AB4FCD75541B2FCE4FBADC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL115-W18FA4E249BB02EC863D8268BDD0@phx.gbl>


Priscilla, good luck. I hope the school situation is going well. Hope you are enjoying vacation. What classes are you taking this semester? I am taking Spanish and creative writing. I am also going to try Spanish. Albert I am going to a bible study.> From: priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 14:08:21 -0500> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] meaf summer internship> > hey all,> > I am actually applying for the meaf congressional internship.> I really hope to get in to the internship since this is a grate opportunity > to work in the congress.> This is important since I am a major of international relations.> > Thank you very much.> > any questions please reply.> I only need a letter of recommendation basically to finish the application, > but I really want to work at Washington.> its one of my dreams come true.> Priscilla > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009

From corbbo at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 00:52:29 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 19:52:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W73D22D2D10E1AD263D57BC8BDC0@phx.gbl>
References: <3DB02E1D-D55D-448E-AE62-D7F4ED7C2235@gmail.com>
	<0720F49A-B6F1-4853-9945-085C8FFAC34C@gmail.com>
	<COL115-W73D22D2D10E1AD263D57BC8BDC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F11DAC5D-FCF1-4EE1-9364-4A65CC50810F@gmail.com>

Albert and all,

Virginia had a successful conference call. As this doesn't pertain to  
the national list, I'll send you a separate reply and CC the  
vabs at nfbnet list. If anybody wants to join us, please contact me off  
list.

Many thanks.
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 8, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:


Corb, how was the conference call on Monday? Were there any plans  
discussed? Did you even get to have a conference call? Did any one  
even call in? Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:16:46 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia  
Association of Blind Students> > Hello students!> > I am posting this  
message on the National list as well, for I'm not > sure how many  
students are on the Virginia list. I'm looking to get > the Virginia  
division rolling again, and would love your help. If you > attend  
school in Virginia or the metro-DC area, I'm happy to have you! >  
Please see below for the message I sent the VABS list, and if you're >  
interested, please join that list at www.nfbnet.org> > Many thanks and  
Happy New Year.> Corbb> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington  
University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > Begin  
forwarded message:> > From: Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com>> Date:  
December 31, 2008 5:14:29 PM EST> To: vabs at nfbnet.org> Subject: From  
your President.> > Happy New Year Virginians!> > Corbb O'Connor here,  
President of the Virginia Association of Blind > Students. For those  
who weren't aware, I spent this past semester > abroad at the National  
University of Ireland, Galway, as was therefore > unable to make it to  
our state convention. (You see, I told Dr. > Schroeder that I would  
happily return if he paid my airfare -- I was > told that was not in  
the budget!) I left you, though, in the very > capable hands of  
Jessica Kostiw, and I'm glad to hear that she does > not disappoint!>  
 > It's time for us to start moving again as a division. I have had a  
 > great difficulty in reaching our current VABS Board this past year,  
so > I am hoping that you can all help me.> > I would love to hear  
your ideas of what we can do this year. But more > importantly, I want  
your help making those ideas a reality. One of the > first things that  
I want to focus on is crafting a constitution for > our division. This  
will involve a lot of discussion, some writing, and > thinking about  
our division's future.> > To facilitate this, I propose that we hold a  
conference call either > next Sunday, Jan. 4 or Monday, Jan. 5 at 10pm  
ET. I have used a > service before at Freeconference.com where you  
will need to dial a > phone number, enter an access code, and join the  
conversation. That > phone number is a long-distance number, but my  
hope is that by holding > this meeting in the evening, we can exploit  
free long distance minutes > on cell phones!> > In order to give an  
accurate count of the participants to the > teleconference company,  
please reply to me with your availability > (either Sunday or Monday)  
and your e-mail address.> > Best wishes for 2009, and I look forward  
to working together.> Corbb O'Connor> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The  
George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication &  
Economics> > > > _______________________________________________> nabs- 
l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From jj at bestmidi.com  Fri Jan  9 01:31:18 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 20:31:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students
References: <3DB02E1D-D55D-448E-AE62-D7F4ED7C2235@gmail.com><0720F49A-B6F1-4853-9945-085C8FFAC34C@gmail.com><COL115-W73D22D2D10E1AD263D57BC8BDC0@phx.gbl>
	<F11DAC5D-FCF1-4EE1-9364-4A65CC50810F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D159549A888D4233AF7B6BEC621E7147@jsquared>

Corbe,
We're always eager to hear about student divisions around the country. 
Please do share with us your progress as you feel appropriate.

J.J.
Secretary
National Association of Blind Students
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Virginia Association of Blind Students


Albert and all,

Virginia had a successful conference call. As this doesn't pertain to
the national list, I'll send you a separate reply and CC the
vabs at nfbnet list. If anybody wants to join us, please contact me off
list.

Many thanks.
Corbb

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 8, 2009, at 5:03 PM, Albert Yoo wrote:


Corb, how was the conference call on Monday? Were there any plans
discussed? Did you even get to have a conference call? Did any one
even call in? Albert> From: corbbo at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:16:46 -0500> Subject: [nabs-l] Virginia
Association of Blind Students> > Hello students!> > I am posting this
message on the National list as well, for I'm not > sure how many
students are on the Virginia list. I'm looking to get > the Virginia
division rolling again, and would love your help. If you > attend
school in Virginia or the metro-DC area, I'm happy to have you! >
Please see below for the message I sent the VABS list, and if you're >
interested, please join that list at www.nfbnet.org> > Many thanks and
Happy New Year.> Corbb> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The George Washington
University '10> B.A. Political Communication & Economics> > Begin
forwarded message:> > From: Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com>> Date:
December 31, 2008 5:14:29 PM EST> To: vabs at nfbnet.org> Subject: From
your President.> > Happy New Year Virginians!> > Corbb O'Connor here,
President of the Virginia Association of Blind > Students. For those
who weren't aware, I spent this past semester > abroad at the National
University of Ireland, Galway, as was therefore > unable to make it to
our state convention. (You see, I told Dr. > Schroeder that I would
happily return if he paid my airfare -- I was > told that was not in
the budget!) I left you, though, in the very > capable hands of
Jessica Kostiw, and I'm glad to hear that she does > not disappoint!>
 > It's time for us to start moving again as a division. I have had a
 > great difficulty in reaching our current VABS Board this past year,
so > I am hoping that you can all help me.> > I would love to hear
your ideas of what we can do this year. But more > importantly, I want
your help making those ideas a reality. One of the > first things that
I want to focus on is crafting a constitution for > our division. This
will involve a lot of discussion, some writing, and > thinking about
our division's future.> > To facilitate this, I propose that we hold a
conference call either > next Sunday, Jan. 4 or Monday, Jan. 5 at 10pm
ET. I have used a > service before at Freeconference.com where you
will need to dial a > phone number, enter an access code, and join the
conversation. That > phone number is a long-distance number, but my
hope is that by holding > this meeting in the evening, we can exploit
free long distance minutes > on cell phones!> > In order to give an
accurate count of the participants to the > teleconference company,
please reply to me with your availability > (either Sunday or Monday)
and your e-mail address.> > Best wishes for 2009, and I look forward
to working together.> Corbb O'Connor> > -----> Corbb O'Connor> The
George Washington University '10> B.A. Political Communication &
Economics> > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-
l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
 > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
for nabs-l:> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com



From wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 04:27:22 2009
From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:27:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl>


Hi Rachel,
WABS (Wisconsin Association of Blind Students) has a event almost every or every other month.  We do a lot of things such as: shopping trips, sledding, skiing, parades, rock climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big variety of fund raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races, and taken some public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not normally available in Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we have found to be the most successful is having a fun event with a student/employment focus.  We also do a lot of employment and life activities to help those who aren't in school but want to participate.  For example, We've had state conventions where we have added a WABS event like goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event  where we have done talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs dogs, job interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme park (that's when WI had the flood so that didn't work out).  Those are just some ideas we have done if they're helpful.
Good luck,
Sarah Baebler
WABS Vice President
WAGDU Vice President

> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] student events
> 
> Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a
> happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind
> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't
> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am going
> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if you
> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing lately?
> Rachel
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com

From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 13:09:14 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:09:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Opprotunity to Win Tickets to the Inauguration from Case
	Foundation and Youth Service America
Message-ID: <369DCF13903641D9A0F169B90B36D8F0@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,
 
Interested in coming to DC for the inaugural celebration?  You may be, if
expenses were paid.  Maybe airfare, hotel, the inauguration and the Hawaii
inaugural ball?  You have three days to tell your story.  See our message
below:
 
Subject: Opprotunity to Win Tickets to the Inauguration from Case Foundation
and Youth Service America 





Want to win a trip to the 2009 Presidential Inauguration and be a part of
MLK Day of Service?

 

As we usher in this exciting new era of change we recognize that everyone
has a part to play. So, how will YOU commit to bringing about change in your
neighborhood, your community or your nation? Youth Service America and the
Case Foundation are calling on people across the country to join the Change
Begins With Me campaign by sharing how you will be part of the change.

 

Tell us your commitment in 250 characters or less and enter for your chance
to win a trip to Washington, DC to be part of the MLK Day of Service and
exciting inaugural celebration events including two tickets to the official
Inauguration of Barack Obama. 

 

No idea is too big or too small. Tell us how you will commit to change NOW.

 

http://casefoundation.org/change?source=CBYSA

 

Joe Orozco


From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 13:45:28 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:45:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
	<BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL115-W601CA76DCFFF8C975717418BDD0@phx.gbl>


Sarah, good ideas how did you all come up with the idea for the students and employment? Can you explain? Would you have to contact different places of employment?> From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:27:22 -0600> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events> > > Hi Rachel,> WABS (Wisconsin Association of Blind Students) has a event almost every or every other month. We do a lot of things such as: shopping trips, sledding, skiing, parades, rock climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big variety of fund raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races, and taken some public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not normally available in Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we have found to be the most successful is having a fun event with a student/employment focus. We also do a lot of employment and life activities to help those who aren't in school but want to participate. For example, We've had state conventions where we have added a WABS event like goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event where we have done talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs dogs, job interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme park (that's when WI had the flood so that didn't work out). Those are just some ideas we have done if they're helpful.> Good luck,> Sarah Baebler> WABS Vice President> WAGDU Vice President> > > From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> > Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > > > Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> > happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind> > Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't> > had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am going> > to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if you> > guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing lately?> > Rachel> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > nabs-l mailing list> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. 
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009

From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Fri Jan  9 13:53:01 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:53:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEKOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

Wow! That's great. You guys do a lot of stuff and it sounds like you have a
lot of fun. What kinds of fundraisers do you do? Where do you play goalball?
It is alot of fun but can be hard to organize.
Thanks.
Rachel

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of sarah baebler
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:27 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events



Hi Rachel,
WABS (Wisconsin Association of Blind Students) has a event almost every or
every other month.  We do a lot of things such as: shopping trips, sledding,
skiing, parades, rock climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big
variety of fund raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races,
and taken some public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not
normally available in Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we
have found to be the most successful is having a fun event with a
student/employment focus.  We also do a lot of employment and life
activities to help those who aren't in school but want to participate.  For
example, We've had state conventions where we have added a WABS event like
goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event  where we have done
talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs dogs, job
interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme park
(that's when WI had the flood so tha!
 t didn't work out).  Those are just some ideas we have done if they're
helpful.
Good luck,
Sarah Baebler
WABS Vice President
WAGDU Vice President

> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] student events
>
> Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a
> happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of
Blind
> Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't
> had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am
going
> to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if
you
> guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing
lately?
> Rachel
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmai
l.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com



From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 13:56:06 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:56:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Second NFB Youth Slam
In-Reply-To: <auto-000081244739@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000081244739@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W3695993C2E54AFC4E6CE2C8BDD0@phx.gbl>


I will fill out an application. It will be a good experience for any blind student. It will be in the summer too. That is the good thing. > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:10:53 -0600> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org> From: KZakhnini at nfb.org> Subject: [nabs-l] Second NFB Youth Slam> > In the summer of 2009 we will have our second National Federation of > the Blind Youth Slam for blind high school students. The program > will be held at the University of Maryland, College Park. We still > need plenty of mentors and students to apply, so please help us get > the word out.> > If you need more information about the program or are interested in > being a student or mentor participant, please visit > <http://www.blindscience.org/ncbys/Youth_Slam.asp>http://www.blindscience.org/ncbys/Youth_Slam.asp > and fill out the appropriate application.> > If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me. Thank you!> > Sincerely,> Karen C. Zakhnini> Education Project Manager> Jernigan Institute> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND> > Phone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2293> Fax: (410) 659-5129> > Support Braille literacy and empowering programs by sponsoring me in > the Motor City March for Independence! Visit > <http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?px=1003222&pg=personal&fr_id=1050>http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?px=1003222&pg=personal&fr_id=1050> > > > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. 
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_howitworks_012009

From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 16:19:07 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:19:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate(s) for Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <49677867.0906c00a.1af3.4f6d@mx.google.com>

Hi all, 

 

I realize this is probably a bit late, but I'm looking for possible
roommates for Washington Seminar. I do have a guide dog, which may or may
not factor into peoples' decisions, which I do understand. If anyone thinks
they may be able to help me, feel free to write me off list at the email in
my signature below with the subject "Roommate". 

 

Thanks, and take care, 

 

Liz 

 

email: 

 <mailto:liz.bottner at gmail.com> liz.bottner at gmail.com 

Visit my livejournal: 

 <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 

Follow me on Twitter:

http://twitter.com/lizbot 

 


From wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 17:59:29 2009
From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:59:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W601CA76DCFFF8C975717418BDD0@phx.gbl>
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
	<BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl> 
	<COL115-W601CA76DCFFF8C975717418BDD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY118-W396D40C0459152B56408BDB2DD0@phx.gbl>


Well Wisconsin has only have a
few organizations/camps/events for blind so I know a lot and my blind students, and they
know a lot more.  So we got a huge list together and invited them to convention and had them list a fun
activity and a work/student issue that they wanted to do/learn.  So with
that list we try to work out both the fun and serious topics.  Our board
before has always decided on topics and figured what we've had problems with
and then make session out of them.  In the past year we've have phone board meetings that have had 20 people come and get involved with deciding and being on committees.  If your just starting out you should
have an event like rock climbing or goalball and do something with a work
related topic like how to interview and technology.   Then you can start
small and have a fun and serious activity. This will one get a lot of people
involved around the state because it will be something fun and not just sitting
around the chance are honestly that you will have a greater attendance.  Then you can also get a lot of contacts through that where you
can send and get involved with further activities.   If you should do a flier,  where you list the who, what, where,
when, how and yes even a why.  Then send that to all your contacts, email
list, camps, state programs that work with the blind, schools, and so on and so
forth anything you can think of.  Even though you may not know all the
blind people in your state these people will know or be able to forward it on.  We also made brochures and sent them to colleges and high school as well as those state programs.  The brochure just states about all the things we do and shows pictures of events, and explains our goals.  If you want I can send you a version and I am willing to assit you if you choose to make one.  We used publisher and just bought thick paper and ink which is much cheaper than ordering or goign somewhere and having them make it.  Another thing that we have done is involve non-students, people looking for employment, or just in transition or in training programs.  We have found that even though these are not students they still benefit from learning about programs, services, advocating, and many more.  We've helped some be more independant and obtain jobs as well as a couple that decided to choose to attend college.  Also with a independent
issue we have noticed that if you intend to invited minors (18 or under) then
you should have them be accompanied by a guardian or adult.  I've attached
3 events that we've done, I hope it's helpful.  They might not be ideal for your neck of the woods but it's what works for us.  

If you have any more questions let me know

Sarah

WABS vice president

WAGDU vice president






Get in Touch with Your Inner Primate!

 

            On
Saturday, March 29, the Wisconsin Association of Blind Students (WABS) will be
holding a Rock Climbing event in Madison Wisconsin.  We are looking for ages from high school and
up to scale the walls with us and reach for the horizon.

            We will all
get together on Saturday afternoon to head over from the hotel to Boulders
climbing gym on Madison’s East side. 
Rock climbing will last for three hours, in which time; there will be a
chance to work one on one with the staff. 
We are very excited, and we look forward to getting a chance to get to
know you!

            Prior to
heading to the gym, we are going to do a series of formal and informal
activities and the like to get to know one another.  We’ll be ordering pizza, and we can’t eat it
all ourselves, so you really should join us!

            As WABS is
helping with the cost of this event, hotel, rock climbing and meals will cost a
total of $45; a very pretty price for such fun. 
We have booked rooms at the Holiday Inn on the East side of Madison which has a pool
so bring along your swimsuit. We’ll head home Sunday morning, after a night of
swimming, eating left-over pizza and making new friends.  For your convenience, we are looking to hire
a driver and would encourage you to use our transportation if it at all works
in your schedule and makes it possible for you to come and share this event
with us. There will be a nurse on staff as well as night monitors at the hotel
to ensure your safety and comfort!

            WABS is a
division of the National Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin.  We encourage students to push their limits,
believe in themselves and stop blindness from being a barrier.  We pride ourselves in not only being a
successful division of the NFBW, but also being a great supportive group of
students who form lasting friendships in and out of our division.

 

If you are interested in participating, and you are under
18, please have a parent or guardian fill out the enclosed release form and
mail it to:

Sarah Baebler

408 Portage St

Lodi WI, 53555

For more information about this event, call or email our
President, Beth Allred at: (608(217-6895. allred at wisc.edu

For more information about our division, please see the
enclosed flyer.

 

I hope to see you in Madison!

Sincerely,

Meghan Whalen

Vice President, Wisconsin
Association of Blind Students

 

 

 

 

 

 

ROCK CLIMBING INFORMATION FORM

General information:

Name_______________________________

Address:_______________________________________

City, State, Zip
code:___________________________________

Phone:_(           )___________________

Email:____________________________________

Age:_________________

Preference of contact (phone, email, snail mail):_____________________________



Emergency and medical Information: 

Emergency contact:________________________

Emergency contact phone number:(         
)_______________________

Allergic to any medicine:___________________________________________

Allergies:_____________________________________________

Medications taking at the moment (include dose and how frequent):
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Physical conditions (other than blindness:____________________________________________

Physical
limitations:______________________________________________________________

Diet
restrictions:________________________________________________________________

Miscellaneous: 

Your experience in rock climbing (beginner, intermediate, advanced):
_____________________

Any roommate preferences:________________________________________

The Wisconsin Association of Blind Students is offering a transportation
vehicle  to provide transportation for
you, to and from the event.

Are you interested in the provided transportation?    Yes:_________      No:__________

 

Please return by ___Friday,
March 21st _  to

Sarah Baebler

408 Portage St.

Lodi, WI 53555

 

Or send an email to
Beth Allred at allred at wisc.edu 

 

If you have any
questions, please contact our president Beth Allred at (608) 217-6895

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wisconsin Association
of Blind Students

Rock Climbing Event

March 29, 2008

Parent Consent Form

            Please fill
out this sheet and send it to the address provided on the flier included.

 

Student’s name:_________________________________    Student’s age:___________

Parent/Guardian’s name:_________________________________________

Parent/Guardian’s phone number:
__________________________________

Address: ______________________________________________________________

Emergency Contact
name:_________________________________________________

Emergency Contact
phone:________________________________________________

Student’s insurance provider and
number:_____________________________________
_______________________________________________________________________

Does the student have permission to
administer their own medications: Yes:___No:____

List current
medications, including
doses and how frequently given: ________________
________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Describe allergies and diet
restrictions: _______________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Describe restrictions on physical
activities: _____________________________________

Describe other disabilities or
physical illness: ___________________________________

 

I give my permission for my son/daughter, ___________ __________________to
participate in the Rock Climbing event sponsored by the Wisconsin Association
of Blind Students on the weekend of March 29, 2008.

Initials of parent, ________________

 

In the event of an emergency, I give my permission for
emergency medical  

treatment and transportation.  

Initials of parent, _____________ 

 

I agree to hold harmless the Wisconsin Association of Blind
Students (WABS) for any and all negligent injuries that my son/daughter may
incur during the aforementioned WABS event.

Initials of parent, _____________

 

I agree to the transportation of my son/daughter
____________________________ , by the Wisconsin Association of Blind Students.

Initials of parent,______________

 

 

 

 

I agree to all the above terms and conditions.

 

_________________________________________________                 ____________________

Signature of Parent/Guardian                                                                                
Date

 

Please send
this along with the other information form to

Sarah Baebler

408 Portage St.

Lodi, WI
 53555

 


  

The Wisconsin Association of Blind
Students

 

            Have you
ever struggled to advocate for yourself when applying for a job or requesting
accommodations in school?  Do you wish
you had someone to help you find your way sometimes?  Do you feel like you have to reinvent the
wheel each time you fight for one of your rights as a person who is blind?  You aren’t alone.  There are many other blind students in Wisconsin who have
fought the same battles you are fighting now. 
You don’t need to reinvent the wheel. 
Let us spin ours for you.  The
Wisconsin Association of Blind Students (WABS) is a division of The National
Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin (NFB). 
We all fight for what the National Federation of the Blind (NFB)
believes in.  Blindness is not a crutch,
it is a physical nuisance, and we are fully capable of anything we wish to
achieve.  By joining WABS, you are making
a statement.  You are saying that you
believe that blindness does not lessen your value as a member of society.  You are showing that you are willing to
support other persons who are blind in finding their way to independence and
self advocacy.  If you run into
discrimination, you will have countless friends to back you up in fighting for
your rights as well. You don’t have to be a member to participate in any of our
activities, and we very much hope that you participate whether you are a member
or not! 

            We are not
just an organization for blindness rights. 
WE are friends.  We do what
friends do.  IN the past, we have gone
camping, attended NFB national convention and roomed together and run a student
seminar.  Lifetime friends can be found
within WABS.  If you join WABS, you will
be inspired to rise to your full potential and you will find strength in the
support of your fellow members.

            Currently,
we are in the process of planning a rock climbing event.  Again, you do not need to be a member of WABS
to participate in the Rock Climbing Event. Come, have fun with us! We will be
staying at a hotel in Madison
and will go climbing at Boulders Climbing Gym. 
For more information, contact our president, Beth Allred, Allred at wisc.edu.

For more information about WABS, or for contact information
for the rest of our officers, our website is:

www.nfbwis.org/students

We look forward to hearing from you and would love to
welcome you into the ever-growing Federation family.

 








Wisconsin
Association of Blind Students

Presents

A weekend of fun in the sun

 



Who: Students and young adults
(18-35), who have low vision or are blind (legally blind).  Students 18 and under are welcome on the
Saturday events, with parental supervision. 




What: A camping weekend where we
will explore

different activities to promote independence and a variety of skills to assist
individuals in school, work, and society.



When: June 6, 7, and 8th
2008.



Where: Lodi Agricultural Fair
Grounds (TRANSPORTATION OFFERED)

Lodi Agricultural 

700 Fair Street.  

Lodi, WI 53555

Mt. Olympus Water & Theme Park

1881 Wisconsin Dells Parkway

Wisconsin Dells, WI 53965



 



Why: to inform blind youth about
services available to them, network with other blind youths across the state,
have a good safe fun time, and learn techniques to assist in the daily lives of
blind youth.



Transportation: We will again offer
transportation for those who request it. 
We realize that the event is taking place before lion’s camp and will
gladly take people there.  



Cost: $50.  This includes all meals, camping fees, ticket
to Water/Theme Park, and all other expenses. 
The only other cost to you will be if you choose to purchase ice cream
at one of the events.   If you are
concerned about money please contact Sarah Baebler (contact information listed
below)



Agenda: (subject to change)

Friday June 6, 2008

Morning/afternoon – transportation pick up.

3:30 pm – 4:15 pm – Arrive and register 

4:15 pm – 4:30 pm – Briefing/rules of conduct

4:30 pm – 5:00 pm – Set up camp site (you and your tent mates will set up your
own tent)

5:00 pm – 5:30 pm – Eat, clean up, and prepare for transport.

5:30 pm – 6:00 pm– Transport to the Merrimac Ferry (Okee side) park.  

6:00 pm – 7:30 pm – Team building activities, 

7:30 pm – 8:00 pm – Travel on the ferry across lake Wisconsin to the
Merrimac/Baraboo side (chance to purchase ice cream), then travel back across
to the Okee side.

8:00 pm – 8:30 pm – Transport back to Fairgrounds.

8:30 pm – 9:00 pm – WABS meeting

9:00 pm – 10:30 pm– Talent show

10:30 pm – 11:30 pm – Camp fire/smores party. 



Saturday June 7, 2008

7:00 am – 7:30 am – Breakfast.

7:30 am – 10:20 am - small group activities. 


Groups include: 

TAPS AND FUR - Dog guides and Canes, 

STEPPING UP - NFB and WABS vs other organizations (why you should get involved)
and advocating for yourself, 

SHAKE YOUR GROOVE THANG – Expressions and gestures, visual clues for a non
visual world.

STOP, PREPARE, AND ROLL - College/work preparation and the interview process.

7:30 am – 8:10 am  - Session one

8:10 am – 8:50 am  - Session two

8:50 am – 9:00 am - break

9:00 am - 9:40 am - Session three

9:40 am – 10:20 am - Session four

10:20 am – 10:30 am – break

10:30 am – 11:30 am – O&M Challenge and preparation

11:30 am – 12:30 pm – Eat

12:30 pm – 1:30 pm – transport to Mt. Olympus Water & Theme Park

1:30 pm – 6:30 pm - Mt. Olympus

6:30 pm – 7:30 pm – Transportation back to fairgrounds

7:30 pm – 8:00 pm – Dinner

8:00 pm – 12:00 pm – Dance (boogy down)



Sunday June 8, 2008

7:30 am – 8:00 am – breakfast

8:00 am – 8:30 am – transport to gym and prepare for goal ball

8:30 am - 11:30 am – Goal ball

11:30 am – 12:30 pm – Lunch and debrief 

12:30 – 1:00 – Return to fairgrounds, pack up, clean up, and leave.

 

Please
fill out the following application and e-mail or mail it to the address
provided.  

Application due by May 27, 2008

If
you have any questions please contact 

Sarah Baebler (608) 770-1002 or at wolvessarah at hotmail.com

 

Sarah Baebler

408 Portage St. 

Lodi, WI 53555

Or send an electronic copy to wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Please address the subject line as WABS
camping event.

 

WABS
Information sheet

:



General
Information:

Name_______________________________

Address:____________________________________

City, Sate, Zip Code__________________________

Home Phone (         )___________________

Cell Phone (          
)___________________

Email:____________________________________

Age:_________________

How should we contact you? (phone, email, snail mail):
____________________________

Format of materials (larger print, Braille, tape, etc):
_____________________________



Emergency and medical Information: 

Emergency contact:________________________

Emergency contact phone number:(     )
__________      

Allergic to any medicine:______________________

Allergies:___________________________________

Medications taking at the moment (include dose and how frequent):
_____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Physical conditions or limitations that might affect the activities (hearing
impaired,  wheelchair user)
__________________________________________

Diet Restrictions:: ___________________________



Miscellaneous: 

Do you get
sea sick (we will be riding a ferry across lake Wisconsin)?  

Yes __________ No___________

Tent mate preferences? _____________________________________



The Wisconsin Association of Blind Students is offering a transportation
vehicle to provide transportation for you, to and from the event, including
transportation to Lions Camp.

Are you interested in the provided transportation?    

Yes:_________        No:__________

If Yes, do you need transportation to Lions Camp on Sunday June 8, 08?   

 Yes _________       No___________






WISCONSIN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND
STUDENTS

Annual Convention 2008



Who:  blind students (all ages), young adults, and
those in transition.

What:  The National Federation of the Blind of
Wisconsin's annual convention, WABS business meeting, talent show, dance, goal
ball, Mary Kay party and networking opportunities

When:  Friday November 7th to Sunday
November 9th, 2008.

Where:  Best Western, Inn on the Park, 22 S Carrol
St, Madison Wisconsin 53703

Why:  Break down boundaries and reach for the
stars.

How:  WABS is providing transportation for those
who want it. 

Cost:  The cost for the entire weekend is planned
out.  You do not need to eat/attend all
the meals with the exception of banquet and the student lunch. If you need
assistance with cost please contact us (see below).

The hotel will be $75 dollars a night. Your cost will be $38 dollars for both
nights if you decide you want to share a room with others (contact us to
reserve a room and for your roommate preferences). 

WABS membership is $5 dollars

NFBW membership is $10 dollars

Friday – Dinner will be up to you.

Saturday – Breakfast is 10 dollars, Lunch is $5 (Student's lunch –Pizza),
dinner is $25 dollars (banquet – Dress up). 


Sunday – WABS will provide a
light breakfast option. After convention adjourns we will be heading over to
falk elementary school for goal ball and lunch will be provided for $5 dollars.

TOTAL: $98 for all the above
meals, membership, and lodging.

 

If
you have any concerns, questions, or to reserve a room and register for
transportation, contact Sarah Baebler (608) 770-1002 or at wolvessarah at hotmail.com  


> From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:45:28 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
> 
> 
> Sarah, good ideas how did you all come up with the idea for the students and employment? Can you explain? Would you have to contact different places of employment?> From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:27:22 -0600> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events> > > Hi Rachel,> WABS (Wisconsin Association of Blind Students) has a event almost every or every other month. We do a lot of things such as: shopping trips, sledding, skiing, parades, rock climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big variety of fund raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races, and taken some public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not normally available in Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we have found to be the most successful is having a fun event with a student/employment focus. We also do a lot of employment and life activities to help those who aren't in school but want to participate. For example, We've had state conventions where we have added a WABS event like goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event where we have done talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs dogs, job interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme park (that's when WI had the flood so that didn't work out). Those are just some ideas we have done if they're helpful.> Good luck,> Sarah Baebler> WABS Vice President> WAGDU Vice President> > > From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500> > Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > > > Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> > happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind> > Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't> > had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am going> > to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if you> > guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing lately?> > Rachel> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > nabs-l mailing list> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
> _________________________________________________________________
> Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. 
> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com

From iwilcox2011 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 20:48:17 2009
From: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com (Isaiah Wilcox)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:48:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
Message-ID: <c60ed72a0901091248m5afbc47fjd484a8c14bd4f88d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
My name is Isaiah Wilcox, and it is a pleasure to finally introduce myself
to the list.  I am the current president of the students division of
Georgia.  For those of you who do not know, we established our division back
in October of 2008. We currently have approximately thirty-six members, we
have established a full board, and we are working on establishing regional
representatives for our state as well.   We have a bright diverse group of
individuals who are eagerly waiting to become apart of NABS.
I have been reading a lot of you guy's e-mails over the past few weeks and
have enjoyed most of the topics thus far, and I also look forward to putting
in my two cents as well.
Again, I just wanted to introduce myself, as well as my division to all of
you.
Thanks,
Isaiah Wilcox


-- 
Isaiah Wilcox
830 Westview Dr. SW
Morehouse College Unit #140940
Atlanta Ga, 30314

Cell: (404) 291-7791
E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com

From wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  9 21:28:57 2009
From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 15:28:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] student events-fund raising
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEKOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEKOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <BAY118-W11B9A641D3547386294A49B2DD0@phx.gbl>


It is a lot of work for the first event you plan YES...  But I promise after you do all the leg work it is much easier after that.  We have done candy bar sales, raffle tickets, 50/50 raffles, bracelet sales, even just talking to the lions club.  If you have flee markets, garage sales, town events, or even a Saturday at a shopping center is good place to find people.  We've gone online and found great fundraiser like our candy bars which are very popular. We set out stand at parades and then been in them to promote us and our causes. We've done bake sales at churches and even tried to do a spaghetti dinner.  The churches are good and so are the grocery stores because you can do it alone or with a group of people.  Our last event was a 50/50 raffle, candy bars, and the guide dog group raffled off some dog beds and toys.  It was a hit.  Another hit was the parade, it offered both a learning experience for our group and a way to get who we are out there.  We entered the parade and did the parade theme and promoted out name.  Then before and after the event we sold some food, and other homemade items.  That night people stayed over and we had a little talent show and dance - we have those a lot because our group here in Wisconsin loves to perform.  Those are just some, I'd be willing to talk off list about this and more if you want to.  Just give me an e-mila and I have messenger too.
Sarah
WABS Vice President
WAGDU Vice President

> From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:53:01 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
> 
> Wow! That's great. You guys do a lot of stuff and it sounds like you have a
> lot of fun. What kinds of fundraisers do you do? Where do you play goalball?
> It is alot of fun but can be hard to organize.
> Thanks.
> Rachel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of sarah baebler
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:27 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Rachel,
> WABS (Wisconsin Association of Blind Students) has a event almost every or
> every other month.  We do a lot of things such as: shopping trips, sledding,
> skiing, parades, rock climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big
> variety of fund raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races,
> and taken some public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not
> normally available in Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we
> have found to be the most successful is having a fun event with a
> student/employment focus.  We also do a lot of employment and life
> activities to help those who aren't in school but want to participate.  For
> example, We've had state conventions where we have added a WABS event like
> goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event  where we have done
> talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs dogs, job
> interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme park
> (that's when WI had the flood so tha!
>  t didn't work out).  Those are just some ideas we have done if they're
> helpful.
> Good luck,
> Sarah Baebler
> WABS Vice President
> WAGDU Vice President
> 
> > From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500
> > Subject: [nabs-l] student events
> >
> > Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a
> > happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of
> Blind
> > Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't
> > had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am
> going
> > to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if
> you
> > guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing
> lately?
> > Rachel
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmai
> l.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
> ltants.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com

From KZakhnini at nfb.org  Fri Jan  9 21:43:08 2009
From: KZakhnini at nfb.org (Zakhnini,
	Karen)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:43:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Youth Slam
Message-ID: <auto-000082568764@mailfront2.g2host.com>


The National Federation of the Blind Youth Slam
A 2009 STEM Leadership Academy

Observe!  Discover!  Evolve!

Launch rockets, invent new things, perform 
astronomy, examine new technology, learn about 
engineering, solve crimes like on CSI, design 
solutions for the environment, meet new friends 
from all over the United States, play goal ball, 
watch movies, dance, make podcasts, meet blind 
role models, and experience many other adventures at the NFB Youth Slam.

 From July 26-August 1, 2009, two hundred blind 
and low vision high school students will stay at 
the University of Maryland, College Park, to be 
mentored by blind role models during fun and 
challenging activities meant to build confidence, 
expand leadership and advocacy skills, and 
increase science literacy. Participants will also 
attend various social events as well as workshops 
on topics such as leadership, career preparation, 
and advocacy. The NFB Youth Slam will culminate 
in an inspiring rally in Washington DC!

Those interested in participating as students or 
mentors should complete an application by March 
1, 2009.  After an initial screening process, 
eligible students will be accepted into the 
program through random selection. Students and 
mentors need not have a strong interest in 
science, technology, engineering, or math (STEM) 
in order to participate, enjoy, and benefit from this academy.

  If you are interested in being a student or 
mentor participant or if you'd like to learn more 
about the NFB Youth Slam visit 
<http://www.blindscience.org/ncbys/youth_slam.asp>http://www.blindscience.org/ncbys/youth_slam.asp. 


Send questions about the NFB Youth Slam to 
<mailto:youthslam at nfb.org>youthslam at nfb.org.

NFB Youth Slam 2009­Observe!  Discover!  Evolve!



Karen C. Zakhnini

Education Project Manager

Jernigan Institute

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

Phone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2293

Fax: (410) 659-5129




From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 21:57:47 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 08:57:47 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
In-Reply-To: <BAY118-W396D40C0459152B56408BDB2DD0@phx.gbl>
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEJLCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
	<BAY118-W1684C5195C874D87FDBEB3B2DD0@phx.gbl>
	<COL115-W601CA76DCFFF8C975717418BDD0@phx.gbl>
	<BAY118-W396D40C0459152B56408BDB2DD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901091357h51211b6bu6a790acea9966762@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sarah,

Thanks so much for posting details from some of the recent WABS
activities. Your student division is certainly an inspiration to all
the other divisions out there. I'm  particularly impressed with the
camping trip/spring seminar that you  held in June.

What was your division's strategy for hiring drivers/transport
vehicles? Did you rent a vehicle from a company (i.e. charter bus) or
hire an individual driver? If the latter, where did you find your
driver and how did you negotiate a rate?

This info is important as many student divisions want to hold
recreational events like camping and hiking but struggle with securing
needed transportation to and from the campsite, etc.

Thanks and best of luck,
Arielle

On 1/10/09, sarah baebler <wolvessarah at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well Wisconsin has only have a
> few organizations/camps/events for blind so I know a lot and my blind
> students, and they
> know a lot more.  So we got a huge list together and invited them to
> convention and had them list a fun
> activity and a work/student issue that they wanted to do/learn.  So with
> that list we try to work out both the fun and serious topics.  Our board
> before has always decided on topics and figured what we've had problems with
> and then make session out of them.  In the past year we've have phone board
> meetings that have had 20 people come and get involved with deciding and
> being on committees.  If your just starting out you should
> have an event like rock climbing or goalball and do something with a work
> related topic like how to interview and technology.   Then you can start
> small and have a fun and serious activity. This will one get a lot of people
> involved around the state because it will be something fun and not just
> sitting
> around the chance are honestly that you will have a greater attendance.
> Then you can also get a lot of contacts through that where you
> can send and get involved with further activities.   If you should do a
> flier,  where you list the who, what, where,
> when, how and yes even a why.  Then send that to all your contacts, email
> list, camps, state programs that work with the blind, schools, and so on and
> so
> forth anything you can think of.  Even though you may not know all the
> blind people in your state these people will know or be able to forward it
> on.  We also made brochures and sent them to colleges and high school as
> well as those state programs.  The brochure just states about all the things
> we do and shows pictures of events, and explains our goals.  If you want I
> can send you a version and I am willing to assit you if you choose to make
> one.  We used publisher and just bought thick paper and ink which is much
> cheaper than ordering or goign somewhere and having them make it.  Another
> thing that we have done is involve non-students, people looking for
> employment, or just in transition or in training programs.  We have found
> that even though these are not students they still benefit from learning
> about programs, services, advocating, and many more.  We've helped some be
> more independant and obtain jobs as well as a couple that decided to choose
> to attend college.  Also with a independent
> issue we have noticed that if you intend to invited minors (18 or under)
> then
> you should have them be accompanied by a guardian or adult.  I've attached
> 3 events that we've done, I hope it's helpful.  They might not be ideal for
> your neck of the woods but it's what works for us.
>
> If you have any more questions let me know
>
> Sarah
>
> WABS vice president
>
> WAGDU vice president
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Get in Touch with Your Inner Primate!
>
>
>
>             On
> Saturday, March 29, the Wisconsin Association of Blind Students (WABS) will
> be
> holding a Rock Climbing event in Madison Wisconsin.  We are looking for ages
> from high school and
> up to scale the walls with us and reach for the horizon.
>
>             We will all
> get together on Saturday afternoon to head over from the hotel to Boulders
> climbing gym on Madison's East side.
> Rock climbing will last for three hours, in which time; there will be a
> chance to work one on one with the staff.
> We are very excited, and we look forward to getting a chance to get to
> know you!
>
>             Prior to
> heading to the gym, we are going to do a series of formal and informal
> activities and the like to get to know one another.  We'll be ordering
> pizza, and we can't eat it
> all ourselves, so you really should join us!
>
>             As WABS is
> helping with the cost of this event, hotel, rock climbing and meals will
> cost a
> total of $45; a very pretty price for such fun.
> We have booked rooms at the Holiday Inn on the East side of Madison which
> has a pool
> so bring along your swimsuit. We'll head home Sunday morning, after a night
> of
> swimming, eating left-over pizza and making new friends.  For your
> convenience, we are looking to hire
> a driver and would encourage you to use our transportation if it at all
> works
> in your schedule and makes it possible for you to come and share this event
> with us. There will be a nurse on staff as well as night monitors at the
> hotel
> to ensure your safety and comfort!
>
>             WABS is a
> division of the National Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin.  We encourage
> students to push their limits,
> believe in themselves and stop blindness from being a barrier.  We pride
> ourselves in not only being a
> successful division of the NFBW, but also being a great supportive group of
> students who form lasting friendships in and out of our division.
>
>
>
> If you are interested in participating, and you are under
> 18, please have a parent or guardian fill out the enclosed release form and
> mail it to:
>
> Sarah Baebler
>
> 408 Portage St
>
> Lodi WI, 53555
>
> For more information about this event, call or email our
> President, Beth Allred at: (608(217-6895. allred at wisc.edu
>
> For more information about our division, please see the
> enclosed flyer.
>
>
>
> I hope to see you in Madison!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Meghan Whalen
>
> Vice President, Wisconsin
> Association of Blind Students
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ROCK CLIMBING INFORMATION FORM
>
> General information:
>
> Name_______________________________
>
> Address:_______________________________________
>
> City, State, Zip
> code:___________________________________
>
> Phone:_(           )___________________
>
> Email:____________________________________
>
> Age:_________________
>
> Preference of contact (phone, email, snail
> mail):_____________________________
>
>
>
> Emergency and medical Information:
>
> Emergency contact:________________________
>
> Emergency contact phone number:(
> )_______________________
>
> Allergic to any medicine:___________________________________________
>
> Allergies:_____________________________________________
>
> Medications taking at the moment (include dose and how frequent):
> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Physical conditions (other than
> blindness:____________________________________________
>
> Physical
> limitations:______________________________________________________________
>
> Diet
> restrictions:________________________________________________________________
>
> Miscellaneous:
>
> Your experience in rock climbing (beginner, intermediate, advanced):
> _____________________
>
> Any roommate preferences:________________________________________
>
> The Wisconsin Association of Blind Students is offering a transportation
> vehicle  to provide transportation for
> you, to and from the event.
>
> Are you interested in the provided transportation?    Yes:_________
> No:__________
>
>
>
> Please return by ___Friday,
> March 21st _  to
>
> Sarah Baebler
>
> 408 Portage St.
>
> Lodi, WI 53555
>
>
>
> Or send an email to
> Beth Allred at allred at wisc.edu
>
>
>
> If you have any
> questions, please contact our president Beth Allred at (608) 217-6895
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wisconsin Association
> of Blind Students
>
> Rock Climbing Event
>
> March 29, 2008
>
> Parent Consent Form
>
>             Please fill
> out this sheet and send it to the address provided on the flier included.
>
>
>
> Student's name:_________________________________    Student's
> age:___________
>
> Parent/Guardian's name:_________________________________________
>
> Parent/Guardian's phone number:
> __________________________________
>
> Address: ______________________________________________________________
>
> Emergency Contact
> name:_________________________________________________
>
> Emergency Contact
> phone:________________________________________________
>
> Student's insurance provider and
> number:_____________________________________
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> Does the student have permission to
> administer their own medications: Yes:___No:____
>
> List current
> medications, including
> doses and how frequently given: ________________
> ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Describe allergies and diet
> restrictions: _______________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Describe restrictions on physical
> activities: _____________________________________
>
> Describe other disabilities or
> physical illness: ___________________________________
>
>
>
> I give my permission for my son/daughter, ___________ __________________to
> participate in the Rock Climbing event sponsored by the Wisconsin
> Association
> of Blind Students on the weekend of March 29, 2008.
>
> Initials of parent, ________________
>
>
>
> In the event of an emergency, I give my permission for
> emergency medical
>
> treatment and transportation.
>
> Initials of parent, _____________
>
>
>
> I agree to hold harmless the Wisconsin Association of Blind
> Students (WABS) for any and all negligent injuries that my son/daughter may
> incur during the aforementioned WABS event.
>
> Initials of parent, _____________
>
>
>
> I agree to the transportation of my son/daughter
> ____________________________ , by the Wisconsin Association of Blind
> Students.
>
> Initials of parent,______________
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I agree to all the above terms and conditions.
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________
> ____________________
>
> Signature of Parent/Guardian
>
> Date
>
>
>
> Please send
> this along with the other information form to
>
> Sarah Baebler
>
> 408 Portage St.
>
> Lodi, WI
>  53555
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Wisconsin Association of Blind
> Students
>
>
>
>             Have you
> ever struggled to advocate for yourself when applying for a job or
> requesting
> accommodations in school?  Do you wish
> you had someone to help you find your way sometimes?  Do you feel like you
> have to reinvent the
> wheel each time you fight for one of your rights as a person who is blind?
> You aren't alone.  There are many other blind students in Wisconsin who have
> fought the same battles you are fighting now.
> You don't need to reinvent the wheel.
> Let us spin ours for you.  The
> Wisconsin Association of Blind Students (WABS) is a division of The National
> Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin (NFB).
> We all fight for what the National Federation of the Blind (NFB)
> believes in.  Blindness is not a crutch,
> it is a physical nuisance, and we are fully capable of anything we wish to
> achieve.  By joining WABS, you are making
> a statement.  You are saying that you
> believe that blindness does not lessen your value as a member of society.
> You are showing that you are willing to
> support other persons who are blind in finding their way to independence and
> self advocacy.  If you run into
> discrimination, you will have countless friends to back you up in fighting
> for
> your rights as well. You don't have to be a member to participate in any of
> our
> activities, and we very much hope that you participate whether you are a
> member
> or not!
>
>             We are not
> just an organization for blindness rights.
> WE are friends.  We do what
> friends do.  IN the past, we have gone
> camping, attended NFB national convention and roomed together and run a
> student
> seminar.  Lifetime friends can be found
> within WABS.  If you join WABS, you will
> be inspired to rise to your full potential and you will find strength in the
> support of your fellow members.
>
>             Currently,
> we are in the process of planning a rock climbing event.  Again, you do not
> need to be a member of WABS
> to participate in the Rock Climbing Event. Come, have fun with us! We will
> be
> staying at a hotel in Madison
> and will go climbing at Boulders Climbing Gym.
> For more information, contact our president, Beth Allred, Allred at wisc.edu.
>
> For more information about WABS, or for contact information
> for the rest of our officers, our website is:
>
> www.nfbwis.org/students
>
> We look forward to hearing from you and would love to
> welcome you into the ever-growing Federation family.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wisconsin
> Association of Blind Students
>
> Presents
>
> A weekend of fun in the sun
>
>
>
>
>
> Who: Students and young adults
> (18-35), who have low vision or are blind (legally blind).  Students 18 and
> under are welcome on the
> Saturday events, with parental supervision.
>
>
>
>
> What: A camping weekend where we
> will explore
>
> different activities to promote independence and a variety of skills to
> assist
> individuals in school, work, and society.
>
>
>
> When: June 6, 7, and 8th
> 2008.
>
>
>
> Where: Lodi Agricultural Fair
> Grounds (TRANSPORTATION OFFERED)
>
> Lodi Agricultural
>
> 700 Fair Street.
>
> Lodi, WI 53555
>
> Mt. Olympus Water & Theme Park
>
> 1881 Wisconsin Dells Parkway
>
> Wisconsin Dells, WI 53965
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Why: to inform blind youth about
> services available to them, network with other blind youths across the
> state,
> have a good safe fun time, and learn techniques to assist in the daily lives
> of
> blind youth.
>
>
>
> Transportation: We will again offer
> transportation for those who request it.
> We realize that the event is taking place before lion's camp and will
> gladly take people there.
>
>
>
> Cost: $50.  This includes all meals, camping fees, ticket
> to Water/Theme Park, and all other expenses.
> The only other cost to you will be if you choose to purchase ice cream
> at one of the events.   If you are
> concerned about money please contact Sarah Baebler (contact information
> listed
> below)
>
>
>
> Agenda: (subject to change)
>
> Friday June 6, 2008
>
> Morning/afternoon – transportation pick up.
>
> 3:30 pm – 4:15 pm – Arrive and register
>
> 4:15 pm – 4:30 pm – Briefing/rules of conduct
>
> 4:30 pm – 5:00 pm – Set up camp site (you and your tent mates will set up
> your
> own tent)
>
> 5:00 pm – 5:30 pm – Eat, clean up, and prepare for transport.
>
> 5:30 pm – 6:00 pm– Transport to the Merrimac Ferry (Okee side) park.
>
> 6:00 pm – 7:30 pm – Team building activities,
>
> 7:30 pm – 8:00 pm – Travel on the ferry across lake Wisconsin to the
> Merrimac/Baraboo side (chance to purchase ice cream), then travel back
> across
> to the Okee side.
>
> 8:00 pm – 8:30 pm – Transport back to Fairgrounds.
>
> 8:30 pm – 9:00 pm – WABS meeting
>
> 9:00 pm – 10:30 pm– Talent show
>
> 10:30 pm – 11:30 pm – Camp fire/smores party.
>
>
>
> Saturday June 7, 2008
>
> 7:00 am – 7:30 am – Breakfast.
>
> 7:30 am – 10:20 am - small group activities.
>
>
> Groups include:
>
> TAPS AND FUR - Dog guides and Canes,
>
> STEPPING UP - NFB and WABS vs other organizations (why you should get
> involved)
> and advocating for yourself,
>
> SHAKE YOUR GROOVE THANG – Expressions and gestures, visual clues for a non
> visual world.
>
> STOP, PREPARE, AND ROLL - College/work preparation and the interview
> process.
>
> 7:30 am – 8:10 am  - Session one
>
> 8:10 am – 8:50 am  - Session two
>
> 8:50 am – 9:00 am - break
>
> 9:00 am - 9:40 am - Session three
>
> 9:40 am – 10:20 am - Session four
>
> 10:20 am – 10:30 am – break
>
> 10:30 am – 11:30 am – O&M Challenge and preparation
>
> 11:30 am – 12:30 pm – Eat
>
> 12:30 pm – 1:30 pm – transport to Mt. Olympus Water & Theme Park
>
> 1:30 pm – 6:30 pm - Mt. Olympus
>
> 6:30 pm – 7:30 pm – Transportation back to fairgrounds
>
> 7:30 pm – 8:00 pm – Dinner
>
> 8:00 pm – 12:00 pm – Dance (boogy down)
>
>
>
> Sunday June 8, 2008
>
> 7:30 am – 8:00 am – breakfast
>
> 8:00 am – 8:30 am – transport to gym and prepare for goal ball
>
> 8:30 am - 11:30 am – Goal ball
>
> 11:30 am – 12:30 pm – Lunch and debrief
>
> 12:30 – 1:00 – Return to fairgrounds, pack up, clean up, and leave.
>
>
>
> Please
> fill out the following application and e-mail or mail it to the address
> provided.
>
> Application due by May 27, 2008
>
> If
> you have any questions please contact
>
> Sarah Baebler (608) 770-1002 or at wolvessarah at hotmail.com
>
>
>
> Sarah Baebler
>
> 408 Portage St.
>
> Lodi, WI 53555
>
> Or send an electronic copy to wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Please address the
> subject line as WABS
> camping event.
>
>
>
> WABS
> Information sheet
>
> :
>
>
>
> General
> Information:
>
> Name_______________________________
>
> Address:____________________________________
>
> City, Sate, Zip Code__________________________
>
> Home Phone (         )___________________
>
> Cell Phone (
> )___________________
>
> Email:____________________________________
>
> Age:_________________
>
> How should we contact you? (phone, email, snail mail):
> ____________________________
>
> Format of materials (larger print, Braille, tape, etc):
> _____________________________
>
>
>
> Emergency and medical Information:
>
> Emergency contact:________________________
>
> Emergency contact phone number:(     )
> __________
>
> Allergic to any medicine:______________________
>
> Allergies:___________________________________
>
> Medications taking at the moment (include dose and how frequent):
> _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>
> Physical conditions or limitations that might affect the activities (hearing
> impaired,  wheelchair user)
> __________________________________________
>
> Diet Restrictions:: ___________________________
>
>
>
> Miscellaneous:
>
> Do you get
> sea sick (we will be riding a ferry across lake Wisconsin)?
>
> Yes __________ No___________
>
> Tent mate preferences? _____________________________________
>
>
>
> The Wisconsin Association of Blind Students is offering a transportation
> vehicle to provide transportation for you, to and from the event, including
> transportation to Lions Camp.
>
> Are you interested in the provided transportation?
>
> Yes:_________        No:__________
>
> If Yes, do you need transportation to Lions Camp on Sunday June 8, 08?
>
>  Yes _________       No___________
>
>
>
>
>
>
> WISCONSIN ASSOCIATION OF BLIND
> STUDENTS
>
> Annual Convention 2008
>
>
>
> Who:  blind students (all ages), young adults, and
> those in transition.
>
> What:  The National Federation of the Blind of
> Wisconsin's annual convention, WABS business meeting, talent show, dance,
> goal
> ball, Mary Kay party and networking opportunities
>
> When:  Friday November 7th to Sunday
> November 9th, 2008.
>
> Where:  Best Western, Inn on the Park, 22 S Carrol
> St, Madison Wisconsin 53703
>
> Why:  Break down boundaries and reach for the
> stars.
>
> How:  WABS is providing transportation for those
> who want it.
>
> Cost:  The cost for the entire weekend is planned
> out.  You do not need to eat/attend all
> the meals with the exception of banquet and the student lunch. If you need
> assistance with cost please contact us (see below).
>
> The hotel will be $75 dollars a night. Your cost will be $38 dollars for
> both
> nights if you decide you want to share a room with others (contact us to
> reserve a room and for your roommate preferences).
>
> WABS membership is $5 dollars
>
> NFBW membership is $10 dollars
>
> Friday – Dinner will be up to you.
>
> Saturday – Breakfast is 10 dollars, Lunch is $5 (Student's lunch –Pizza),
> dinner is $25 dollars (banquet – Dress up).
>
>
> Sunday – WABS will provide a
> light breakfast option. After convention adjourns we will be heading over to
> falk elementary school for goal ball and lunch will be provided for $5
> dollars.
>
> TOTAL: $98 for all the above
> meals, membership, and lodging.
>
>
>
> If
> you have any concerns, questions, or to reserve a room and register for
> transportation, contact Sarah Baebler (608) 770-1002 or at
> wolvessarah at hotmail.com
>
>
>> From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 08:45:28 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] student events
>>
>>
>> Sarah, good ideas how did you all come up with the idea for the students
>> and employment? Can you explain? Would you have to contact different
>> places of employment?> From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com> To:
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 22:27:22 -0600> Subject: Re:
>> [nabs-l] student events> > > Hi Rachel,> WABS (Wisconsin Association of
>> Blind Students) has a event almost every or every other month. We do a lot
>> of things such as: shopping trips, sledding, skiing, parades, rock
>> climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big variety of fund
>> raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races, and taken some
>> public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not normally
>> available in Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we have
>> found to be the most successful is having a fun event with a
>> student/employment focus. We also do a lot of employment and life
>> activities to help those who aren't in school but want to participate. For
>> example, We've had state conventions where we have added a WABS event like
>> goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event where we have
>> done talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs dogs, job
>> interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme park
>> (that's when WI had the flood so that didn't work out). Those are just
>> some ideas we have done if they're helpful.> Good luck,> Sarah Baebler>
>> WABS Vice President> WAGDU Vice President> > > From:
>> Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan
>> 2009 14:14:03 -0500> > Subject: [nabs-l] student events> > > > Hi
>> everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a> >
>> happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of
>> Blind> > Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we
>> haven't> > had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are
>> over, I am going> > to talk to the president about what we should do but I
>> was wondering if you> > guys had any cool ideas. What have your student
>> divisions been doing lately?> > Rachel> > > > > >
>> _______________________________________________> > nabs-l mailing list> >
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> > To
>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:> >
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com>
>> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list>
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe,
>> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Windows Live™ Hotmail(R): Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail.
>> http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From cfoster at nfbco.org  Fri Jan  9 21:58:03 2009
From: cfoster at nfbco.org (Chris Foster)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:58:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The craze for touch-screen gadgets is raising worries that
 a whole generation of consumer electronics will be out of the reach of the
 blind
Message-ID: <auto-000081214803@mailfront1.g2host.com>


NEW YORK (Reuters) - The craze for touch-screen gadgets, sparked by 
Apple Inc's popular iPhone, is raising worries that a whole 
generation of consumer electronics will be out of the reach of the blind.

Motown icon Stevie Wonder and other advocates came to the world's 
biggest gadget fest, the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las 
Vegas this week, to convince vendors to consider the needs of the blind.

Wonder told a CES event that his wishlist included a car he could 
drive -- which he acknowledged was probably "a ways away" -- and a 
Sirius XM satellite radio he could operate.

"If you can take those few steps further, you can give us the 
excitement, the pleasure and the freedom of being a part of it," said 
the famed musician.

Wonder said some companies had managed to make their products more 
accessible to the blind, sometimes without even meaning to. He cited 
an iPod music player and Research in Motion's BlackBerry as gadgets 
he likes to use.

Advocates argue that if product designers take into account blind 
needs, they would make electronics that are easier to use for the 
sighted as well.

The good news is that manufacturers do not need to put large sums of 
money into making products accessible, nor would they have to forsake 
innovation, said Chris Danielsen, a spokesman for the National 
Federation For The Blind.

"We don't want to hold up technological progress," he said. "What 
we're saying is, think about the interface and set it up in such a 
way that it's simple .... The simpler you make the user interface of 
a product, it's going to reach more people sighted or blind."

TOUCH SCREENS

With the popularity of touch screens, once simple products such as 
televisions and stereos have become difficult for blind people to use 
as they often require navigation of multiple menus that need to be 
seen to be used effectively.

"That's an increasing problem with new digital devices. It's easy to 
add feature after feature that's buried under menu after submenu," 
said Mike Starling, chief technology officer of National Public 
Radio, which is working on accessible options.

Manufacturers have been putting touch screens in everything from 
calculators and watches to computers and music players.

Sendero Group President Mike May, who is blind, joked, "Can I ski 60 
miles an hour downhill? Yes. Use a flat panel microwave? No." Sendero 
makes GPS navigational devices that have an audio output for the blind.

There are also screen readers that give an audio reading of a phone's 
menu. But Anne Taylor, director of access technologies at the 
National Federation for the Blind, says they do not yet help her to 
use a touch-screen phone.

She said the ability to use a device without needing to look at it 
could help sighted people who are driving or older people whose 
eyesight is starting to deteriorate.

While blind users can buy screen-reading software for $300 upward, it 
tends to only work on certain phones, often the most expensive 
smartphones. Sendero said accessible technology is often expensive, 
and about 70 percent of the U.S. blind population is unemployed.

Taylor is using CES as a forum to present vendors a set of 
suggestions for product design that she sees benefiting both sighted 
and blind consumers.

For example, manufacturers could include an easy-to-use start-over 
button, different sounds for different menus, and controls with good 
tactile feedback.

PROGRESS

Ahead of the show, there were some signs that vendors, while unlikely 
to give up on the touch-screen trend, may be more ready to consider 
consumers with disabilities.

Developers at Google Inc are working on ways to make touch-screen 
phones, including those based on its own Android mobile software, 
usable for blind people.

National Public Radio announced a special radio receiver technology 
and software that would connect a digital radio to a dynamic Braille 
generating device. It has also created special digital radio channels 
for readings of the day's newspapers.

Dice Electronics has made a prototype radio that incorporates the NPR 
technology, and NPR's Starling hopes this will become a commercial 
product in 2009.

Starling has also set up meetings at CES with other manufacturers in 
the hope they will include NPR's technology. He said responses to 
requests for information, which often go unheeded, are much more 
active this year.

Some manufacturers could use their production facilities to make such 
devices, as demand weakens for more mainstream products in the 
economic downturn, he said.

"I think in general there may be a view that accessibility may be 
becoming the new green," said Starling.

(For more news from the Consumer Electronics Show, please click on 
<http://www.reuters.com/news/topics/CES>http://www.reuters.com/news/topics/CES 
and visit the Reuters MediaFile blog at 
<http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile>http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile)

(Reporting by Sinead Carew; editing by Richard Chang)






From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 21:59:48 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:59:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
References: <c60ed72a0901091248m5afbc47fjd484a8c14bd4f88d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c972a5$97729910$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi welcome to the list. My name is Rania, I am attending the massage therapy 
program at my local community college. I look forward to reading more posts 
from you.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Isaiah Wilcox" <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 3:48 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction


> Hello,
> My name is Isaiah Wilcox, and it is a pleasure to finally introduce myself
> to the list.  I am the current president of the students division of
> Georgia.  For those of you who do not know, we established our division 
> back
> in October of 2008. We currently have approximately thirty-six members, we
> have established a full board, and we are working on establishing regional
> representatives for our state as well.   We have a bright diverse group of
> individuals who are eagerly waiting to become apart of NABS.
> I have been reading a lot of you guy's e-mails over the past few weeks and
> have enjoyed most of the topics thus far, and I also look forward to 
> putting
> in my two cents as well.
> Again, I just wanted to introduce myself, as well as my division to all of
> you.
> Thanks,
> Isaiah Wilcox
>
>
> -- 
> Isaiah Wilcox
> 830 Westview Dr. SW
> Morehouse College Unit #140940
> Atlanta Ga, 30314
>
> Cell: (404) 291-7791
> E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com 



From dwebster125 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 22:04:59 2009
From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:04:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello.  Looking for some people to hook up with.
Message-ID: <306378ADADF249B3903871B1FF7307C9@DavidWebsterPC>

Hello there nabs list.  I'm Dave.  I've posted stuff on here before.  I am looking for folks n the arkansas area to hook up with who are involved here with the nfb.  I am from California and I was partially involved there however, we didn't have a chapter in my area.  It was in Burbank and I lived in Azusa at the time so it was kind of dificult to get out there.  I spoke with the new president Jeree Harris and she said that there really weren't a whole lot of chapters out here so I'd like to see if I can't hook up with folks who are on here and hook up witht them and possibly make and meet some friends.  I did go to Louisiana center so for those of you way back when who went in 1997.  Remember me?  Remember those days and how crazy I was at the time?  Hmm?  Anyhow just kidding.  thanks list.  Oh.  And by the way I'm not a student.  Hope you wont' hold that against me.

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 22:09:08 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 09:09:08 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
In-Reply-To: <c60ed72a0901091248m5afbc47fjd484a8c14bd4f88d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c60ed72a0901091248m5afbc47fjd484a8c14bd4f88d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901091409w855a68bk9a2034a87e8b4237@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Isaiah,

Welcome to the list! My name is Arielle Silverman and I am a graduate
student at the University of Colorado-Boulder and the first
vice-president of NABS. We all wish you and your student division in
Georgia the best of luck and feel free to ask the list any questions
and post about GABS's events and activities!

Also, to Isaiah and any other recently elected division presidents,
there is a listserv specifically for state division presidents to
network. To be added to the list, please write to Terri Rupp, our
national president, at
nabs.president at gmail.com

Cheers
Arielle Silverman

On 1/10/09, Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> My name is Isaiah Wilcox, and it is a pleasure to finally introduce myself
> to the list.  I am the current president of the students division of
> Georgia.  For those of you who do not know, we established our division back
> in October of 2008. We currently have approximately thirty-six members, we
> have established a full board, and we are working on establishing regional
> representatives for our state as well.   We have a bright diverse group of
> individuals who are eagerly waiting to become apart of NABS.
> I have been reading a lot of you guy's e-mails over the past few weeks and
> have enjoyed most of the topics thus far, and I also look forward to putting
> in my two cents as well.
> Again, I just wanted to introduce myself, as well as my division to all of
> you.
> Thanks,
> Isaiah Wilcox
>
>
> --
> Isaiah Wilcox
> 830 Westview Dr. SW
> Morehouse College Unit #140940
> Atlanta Ga, 30314
>
> Cell: (404) 291-7791
> E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 23:40:54 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:40:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The craze for touch-screen gadgets is raising worries
	that a whole generation of consumer electronics will be out
	of the reach of the blind
In-Reply-To: <auto-000081214803@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000081214803@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901091540r1d1f3832hdfdd304f9f752ae5@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.  I won't be surprised if I see a car I can drive.
Beth

On 1/9/09, Chris Foster <cfoster at nfbco.org> wrote:
>
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - The craze for touch-screen gadgets, sparked by
> Apple Inc's popular iPhone, is raising worries that a whole
> generation of consumer electronics will be out of the reach of the blind.
>
> Motown icon Stevie Wonder and other advocates came to the world's
> biggest gadget fest, the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las
> Vegas this week, to convince vendors to consider the needs of the blind.
>
> Wonder told a CES event that his wishlist included a car he could
> drive -- which he acknowledged was probably "a ways away" -- and a
> Sirius XM satellite radio he could operate.
>
> "If you can take those few steps further, you can give us the
> excitement, the pleasure and the freedom of being a part of it," said
> the famed musician.
>
> Wonder said some companies had managed to make their products more
> accessible to the blind, sometimes without even meaning to. He cited
> an iPod music player and Research in Motion's BlackBerry as gadgets
> he likes to use.
>
> Advocates argue that if product designers take into account blind
> needs, they would make electronics that are easier to use for the
> sighted as well.
>
> The good news is that manufacturers do not need to put large sums of
> money into making products accessible, nor would they have to forsake
> innovation, said Chris Danielsen, a spokesman for the National
> Federation For The Blind.
>
> "We don't want to hold up technological progress," he said. "What
> we're saying is, think about the interface and set it up in such a
> way that it's simple .... The simpler you make the user interface of
> a product, it's going to reach more people sighted or blind."
>
> TOUCH SCREENS
>
> With the popularity of touch screens, once simple products such as
> televisions and stereos have become difficult for blind people to use
> as they often require navigation of multiple menus that need to be
> seen to be used effectively.
>
> "That's an increasing problem with new digital devices. It's easy to
> add feature after feature that's buried under menu after submenu,"
> said Mike Starling, chief technology officer of National Public
> Radio, which is working on accessible options.
>
> Manufacturers have been putting touch screens in everything from
> calculators and watches to computers and music players.
>
> Sendero Group President Mike May, who is blind, joked, "Can I ski 60
> miles an hour downhill? Yes. Use a flat panel microwave? No." Sendero
> makes GPS navigational devices that have an audio output for the blind.
>
> There are also screen readers that give an audio reading of a phone's
> menu. But Anne Taylor, director of access technologies at the
> National Federation for the Blind, says they do not yet help her to
> use a touch-screen phone.
>
> She said the ability to use a device without needing to look at it
> could help sighted people who are driving or older people whose
> eyesight is starting to deteriorate.
>
> While blind users can buy screen-reading software for $300 upward, it
> tends to only work on certain phones, often the most expensive
> smartphones. Sendero said accessible technology is often expensive,
> and about 70 percent of the U.S. blind population is unemployed.
>
> Taylor is using CES as a forum to present vendors a set of
> suggestions for product design that she sees benefiting both sighted
> and blind consumers.
>
> For example, manufacturers could include an easy-to-use start-over
> button, different sounds for different menus, and controls with good
> tactile feedback.
>
> PROGRESS
>
> Ahead of the show, there were some signs that vendors, while unlikely
> to give up on the touch-screen trend, may be more ready to consider
> consumers with disabilities.
>
> Developers at Google Inc are working on ways to make touch-screen
> phones, including those based on its own Android mobile software,
> usable for blind people.
>
> National Public Radio announced a special radio receiver technology
> and software that would connect a digital radio to a dynamic Braille
> generating device. It has also created special digital radio channels
> for readings of the day's newspapers.
>
> Dice Electronics has made a prototype radio that incorporates the NPR
> technology, and NPR's Starling hopes this will become a commercial
> product in 2009.
>
> Starling has also set up meetings at CES with other manufacturers in
> the hope they will include NPR's technology. He said responses to
> requests for information, which often go unheeded, are much more
> active this year.
>
> Some manufacturers could use their production facilities to make such
> devices, as demand weakens for more mainstream products in the
> economic downturn, he said.
>
> "I think in general there may be a view that accessibility may be
> becoming the new green," said Starling.
>
> (For more news from the Consumer Electronics Show, please click on
> <http://www.reuters.com/news/topics/CES>http://www.reuters.com/news/topics/CES
> and visit the Reuters MediaFile blog at
> <http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile>http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile)
>
> (Reporting by Sinead Carew; editing by Richard Chang)
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From iwilcox2011 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 00:14:51 2009
From: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com (Isaiah Wilcox)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:14:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
In-Reply-To: <000501c972a5$97729910$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <c60ed72a0901091248m5afbc47fjd484a8c14bd4f88d@mail.gmail.com>
	<000501c972a5$97729910$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <c60ed72a0901091614kf090594x224fe2a982a734f7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arielle and Rania, it is a pleasure to meet you both.  Thanks for the
welcome...
And to all of you who I did not tell what my educational goals are: I am a
sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.  I am studying Business
Administration with a concentration in management. and I am minoring in
consultations.

From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Sat Jan 10 00:25:00 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:25:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] The craze for touch-screen gadgets is raising
	worriesthat a whole generation of consumer electronics will
	be outof the reach of the blind
Message-ID: <20090110002520.ZTGN14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

that would be soooooo awesome!!!!! Who knows they might be 
working on that

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 18:40:54 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The craze for touch-screen gadgets is 
raising worriesthat a whole generation of consumer electronics 
will be outof the reach of the blind

>Wow.  I won't be surprised if I see a car I can drive.
>Beth

>On 1/9/09, Chris Foster <cfoster at nfbco.org> wrote:

>> NEW YORK (Reuters) - The craze for touch-screen gadgets, sparked 
by
>> Apple Inc's popular iPhone, is raising worries that a whole
>> generation of consumer electronics will be out of the reach of 
the blind.

>> Motown icon Stevie Wonder and other advocates came to the 
world's
>> biggest gadget fest, the annual Consumer Electronics Show in Las
>> Vegas this week, to convince vendors to consider the needs of 
the blind.

>> Wonder told a CES event that his wishlist included a car he 
could
>> drive -- which he acknowledged was probably "a ways away" -- and 
a
>> Sirius XM satellite radio he could operate.

>> "If you can take those few steps further, you can give us the
>> excitement, the pleasure and the freedom of being a part of it," 
said
>> the famed musician.

>> Wonder said some companies had managed to make their products 
more
>> accessible to the blind, sometimes without even meaning to.  He 
cited
>> an iPod music player and Research in Motion's BlackBerry as 
gadgets
>> he likes to use.

>> Advocates argue that if product designers take into account 
blind
>> needs, they would make electronics that are easier to use for 
the
>> sighted as well.

>> The good news is that manufacturers do not need to put large 
sums of
>> money into making products accessible, nor would they have to 
forsake
>> innovation, said Chris Danielsen, a spokesman for the National
>> Federation For The Blind.

>> "We don't want to hold up technological progress," he said.  
"What
>> we're saying is, think about the interface and set it up in such 
a
>> way that it's simple ....  The simpler you make the user 
interface of
>> a product, it's going to reach more people sighted or blind."

>> TOUCH SCREENS

>> With the popularity of touch screens, once simple products such 
as
>> televisions and stereos have become difficult for blind people 
to use
>> as they often require navigation of multiple menus that need to 
be
>> seen to be used effectively.

>> "That's an increasing problem with new digital devices.  It's 
easy to
>> add feature after feature that's buried under menu after 
submenu,"
>> said Mike Starling, chief technology officer of National Public
>> Radio, which is working on accessible options.

>> Manufacturers have been putting touch screens in everything from
>> calculators and watches to computers and music players.

>> Sendero Group President Mike May, who is blind, joked, "Can I 
ski 60
>> miles an hour downhill? Yes.  Use a flat panel microwave? No." 
Sendero
>> makes GPS navigational devices that have an audio output for the 
blind.

>> There are also screen readers that give an audio reading of a 
phone's
>> menu.  But Anne Taylor, director of access technologies at the
>> National Federation for the Blind, says they do not yet help her 
to
>> use a touch-screen phone.

>> She said the ability to use a device without needing to look at 
it
>> could help sighted people who are driving or older people whose
>> eyesight is starting to deteriorate.

>> While blind users can buy screen-reading software for $300 
upward, it
>> tends to only work on certain phones, often the most expensive
>> smartphones.  Sendero said accessible technology is often 
expensive,
>> and about 70 percent of the U.S.  blind population is 
unemployed.

>> Taylor is using CES as a forum to present vendors a set of
>> suggestions for product design that she sees benefiting both 
sighted
>> and blind consumers.

>> For example, manufacturers could include an easy-to-use 
start-over
>> button, different sounds for different menus, and controls with 
good
>> tactile feedback.

>> PROGRESS

>> Ahead of the show, there were some signs that vendors, while 
unlikely
>> to give up on the touch-screen trend, may be more ready to 
consider
>> consumers with disabilities.

>> Developers at Google Inc are working on ways to make 
touch-screen
>> phones, including those based on its own Android mobile 
software,
>> usable for blind people.

>> National Public Radio announced a special radio receiver 
technology
>> and software that would connect a digital radio to a dynamic 
Braille
>> generating device.  It has also created special digital radio 
channels
>> for readings of the day's newspapers.

>> Dice Electronics has made a prototype radio that incorporates 
the NPR
>> technology, and NPR's Starling hopes this will become a 
commercial
>> product in 2009.

>> Starling has also set up meetings at CES with other 
manufacturers in
>> the hope they will include NPR's technology.  He said responses 
to
>> requests for information, which often go unheeded, are much more
>> active this year.

>> Some manufacturers could use their production facilities to make 
such
>> devices, as demand weakens for more mainstream products in the
>> economic downturn, he said.

>> "I think in general there may be a view that accessibility may 
be
>> becoming the new green," said Starling.

>> (For more news from the Consumer Electronics Show, please click 
on
>> 
<http://www.reuters.com/news/topics/CES>http://www.reuters.com/ne
ws/topics/CES
>> and visit the Reuters MediaFile blog at
>> 
<http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile>http://blogs.reuters.com/medi
afile)

>> (Reporting by Sinead Carew; editing by Richard Chang)





>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi
sloose%40gmail.com


>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net


From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Sat Jan 10 02:18:08 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:18:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
Message-ID: <20090110021827.BCIN14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Welcome to the list.  My name is Hannah and I'm a freshman in 
high school.  I live in the very north of California.  I hope you 
enjoy being with us.
Best, Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:14:51 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction

>Hi Arielle and Rania, it is a pleasure to meet you both.  Thanks 
for the
>welcome...
>And to all of you who I did not tell what my educational goals 
are: I am a
>sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.  I am 
studying Business
>Administration with a concentration in management.  and I am 
minoring in
>consultations.
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net


From beckyasabo at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 02:48:39 2009
From: beckyasabo at gmail.com (becky sabo)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 19:48:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20090110021827.BCIN14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090110021827.BCIN14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <0093FB32B0374F2D90792EE91676D6D0@BECKYLAPTOP>

Hello all,
My name is becky sabo.  I am a sophomore at metro state college in Denver.
This list is very helpful for everyone.
Sincerely 
Becky sabo  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of hannah
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction

Welcome to the list.  My name is Hannah and I'm a freshman in high school.
I live in the very north of California.  I hope you enjoy being with us.
Best, Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:14:51 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction

>Hi Arielle and Rania, it is a pleasure to meet you both.  Thanks
for the
>welcome...
>And to all of you who I did not tell what my educational goals
are: I am a
>sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.  I am
studying Business
>Administration with a concentration in management.  and I am
minoring in
>consultations.
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/beckyasabo%40gmail.c
om



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 03:01:20 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:01:20 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] student events
Message-ID: <011020090301.18049.49680F800002621E000046812200750744010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello sarah,

wow! it sounds like your state student division does a lot! that's awesome... thanks for sharing this information to us and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
from amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: sarah baebler <wolvessarah at hotmail.com> 

> 
> Hi Rachel, 
> WABS (Wisconsin Association of Blind Students) has a event almost every or every 
> other month. We do a lot of things such as: shopping trips, sledding, skiing, 
> parades, rock climbing, goalball, camping, student seminars, a big variety of 
> fund raising, team building, we've also done mini travel races, and taken some 
> public transit trips like riding a train and a ferry (not normally available in 
> Wisconsin). I know i am missing a lot but the key we have found to be the most 
> successful is having a fun event with a student/employment focus. We also do a 
> lot of employment and life activities to help those who aren't in school but 
> want to participate. For example, We've had state conventions where we have 
> added a WABS event like goalball on Sunday afternoons or such as a camping event 
> where we have done talent shows, and 3 employment/students session (canes vs 
> dogs, job interview skills, and advocating), and tried to attend a water/theme 
> park (that's when WI had the flood so that didn't work out). Those are just 
> some ideas we have done if they're helpful. 
> Good luck, 
> Sarah Baebler 
> WABS Vice President 
> WAGDU Vice President 
> 
> > From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com 
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> > Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 14:14:03 -0500 
> > Subject: [nabs-l] student events 
> > 
> > Hi everyone. I hope you had a wonderful holiday and that you all have a 
> > happy new year. I am the vice-president of the Maryland Association of Blind 
> > Students and I am trying to get some events going for 2009 but we haven't 
> > had any events in awhile. Now that finals and Christmas are over, I am going 
> > to talk to the president about what we should do but I was wondering if you 
> > guys had any cool ideas. What have your student divisions been doing lately? 
> > Rachel 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > nabs-l mailing list 
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> > 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.co 
> m 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 03:05:27 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:05:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
Message-ID: <011020090305.22784.496810770007FB54000059002200750784010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello esiah,

welcome to the land of nabs! and also congrats to the new student division in georgia. i know that georgia will do good things since it's a awesome affiliate... my name is amy sabo and i'm from colorado but, i'm originally from michigan where i have been visiting with my family since december 13th but, i will be finally going home tommorrow!

i attend the university of colorado at denver where i'm pursuing my degree in communications with a minor in political science but, i'm planning to transfer to metro state college in denver since the university setting isn't working out for me academically. please feel free to share ideas, ask questions, or just give advice. we are all here for each other and just know that you aren't alone here as a blind student.

well, that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon.



hugs,
from amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Isaiah Wilcox" <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com> 

> Hello, 
> My name is Isaiah Wilcox, and it is a pleasure to finally introduce myself 
> to the list. I am the current president of the students division of 
> Georgia. For those of you who do not know, we established our division back 
> in October of 2008. We currently have approximately thirty-six members, we 
> have established a full board, and we are working on establishing regional 
> representatives for our state as well. We have a bright diverse group of 
> individuals who are eagerly waiting to become apart of NABS. 
> I have been reading a lot of you guy's e-mails over the past few weeks and 
> have enjoyed most of the topics thus far, and I also look forward to putting 
> in my two cents as well. 
> Again, I just wanted to introduce myself, as well as my division to all of 
> you. 
> Thanks, 
> Isaiah Wilcox 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Isaiah Wilcox 
> 830 Westview Dr. SW 
> Morehouse College Unit #140940 
> Atlanta Ga, 30314 
> 
> Cell: (404) 291-7791 
> E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 04:21:02 2009
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 22:21:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
In-Reply-To: <c60ed72a0901091614kf090594x224fe2a982a734f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c60ed72a0901091248m5afbc47fjd484a8c14bd4f88d@mail.gmail.com>
	<000501c972a5$97729910$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<c60ed72a0901091614kf090594x224fe2a982a734f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca301f5e0901092021q35c03d52w8dba32689b9beb88@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Isaiah,
My name is Jordan Richardson and am a senior at Blaine High School
(Minnesota).  I welcome you to the list.  I am hopefully going to be a
freshman @ the U of MN next year planning to major in Poli. Sci.
Jordan

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Arielle and Rania, it is a pleasure to meet you both.  Thanks for the
> welcome...
> And to all of you who I did not tell what my educational goals are: I am a
> sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.  I am studying Business
> Administration with a concentration in management. and I am minoring in
> consultations.
>  _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail.com
>

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Jan 10 06:14:42 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:14:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction
In-Reply-To: <20090110021827.BCIN14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090110021827.BCIN14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB2T06AfvidPnW5/2SIIfanCgAAAEAAAAKBF97tkhqZMnxrhwBQUjKsBAAAAAA==@utoronto.ca>

Welcome! I'm Sarah Jevnikar, and I'm in my first year at the University of
Toronto in Canada. I'm studying actuarial sciences. I'm not actually a part
of NABS, but I love this list and I hope you will too.
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of hannah
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction

Welcome to the list.  My name is Hannah and I'm a freshman in 
high school.  I live in the very north of California.  I hope you 
enjoy being with us.
Best, Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 16:14:51 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GABS Introduction

>Hi Arielle and Rania, it is a pleasure to meet you both.  Thanks 
for the
>welcome...
>And to all of you who I did not tell what my educational goals 
are: I am a
>sophomore at Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.  I am 
studying Business
>Administration with a concentration in management.  and I am 
minoring in
>consultations.
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From taiablas at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 17:01:50 2009
From: taiablas at gmail.com (Tai Blas(formerly Tomasi))
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 11:01:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes music on Victor Stream
In-Reply-To: <20090107135435.GB79733@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>	<415E1B48-D78C-461C-8CA7-350BA9C3C4A3@gmail.com>
	<20090107135435.GB79733@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <000001c97345$2288ad10$679a0730$@com>

Apple's iTunes will begin selling music files with no digital rights
management (DRM). I think they will be in mp3 format since amazon's mp3
store was also mentioned in the article I read.
Tai
 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of T. Joseph Carter
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:55 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes music on Victor Stream

The Victor Stream does not support AAC encoded files from iTunes or from 
anywhere else.  The are Apple-not-sanctioned means of removing the DRM from 
iTunes music so that it can be played back on non-Apple music players, but 
the Victor Stream doesn't support the underlying format.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:23:28AM -0500, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
> I don't know specifically about accessibility with the Victor Stream.  
> But music purchased from the iTunes store is encoded with .m4p, a  
> protected and proprietary file type. Whether Apple has released a "key" 
> to Victor Stream, I do not know, but I doubt it. Amazon's downloads are 
> .mp3.
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:05 PM, gmail wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to answer 
> them.
>  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
> room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you know 
> of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really  
> excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having 
> lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had very 
> much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition to 
> reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, 
> or any other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not 
> been as accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is just the 
> operator and not the program.
>  Thank you very much.
>  At your service,
>  Nijat
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>
>
>> Merisa,
>>
>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic  
>> of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader  
>> if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate  
>> for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones  
>> that I typically use.
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>
>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>> Thanks!
>> Merisa
>>
>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.    
>>> Youtube is
>>> the best one I can think of.
>>> Ashley
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>
>>>
>>>> hello all,
>>>>
>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!   
>>>> anyway, i
>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search  
>>>> for
>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for  
>>>> them
>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use  
>>>> them
>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>>>> wondering
>>>>
>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>
>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hugs,
>>>> from amy
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>>> for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl
ink.net
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gma
il.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.co
m
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gma
il.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Jan 10 20:17:58 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:17:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello.  Looking for some people to hook up with.
References: <306378ADADF249B3903871B1FF7307C9@DavidWebsterPC>
Message-ID: <004d01c97360$8857cd40$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hello David

I actually went to the summer Buddy program in 1997.  Which program were you 
in?  I don't remember you, but that's probably cuz you were in one of the 
other programs.

Serena Cucco


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Webster" <dwebster125 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 5:04 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello. Looking for some people to hook up with.


> Hello there nabs list.  I'm Dave.  I've posted stuff on here before.  I am 
> looking for folks n the arkansas area to hook up with who are involved 
> here with the nfb.  I am from California and I was partially involved 
> there however, we didn't have a chapter in my area.  It was in Burbank and 
> I lived in Azusa at the time so it was kind of dificult to get out there. 
> I spoke with the new president Jeree Harris and she said that there really 
> weren't a whole lot of chapters out here so I'd like to see if I can't 
> hook up with folks who are on here and hook up witht them and possibly 
> make and meet some friends.  I did go to Louisiana center so for those of 
> you way back when who went in 1997.  Remember me?  Remember those days and 
> how crazy I was at the time?  Hmm?  Anyhow just kidding.  thanks list. 
> Oh.  And by the way I'm not a student.  Hope you wont' hold that against 
> me.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 20:23:13 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 12:23:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes music on Victor Stream
In-Reply-To: <000001c97345$2288ad10$679a0730$@com>
References: <26C5A45E-3B33-435F-937E-0594AB1EB883@gmail.com>
	<E644DD3EBFCB49C781BE6BC3C7CD125E@Nijatash>
	<415E1B48-D78C-461C-8CA7-350BA9C3C4A3@gmail.com>
	<20090107135435.GB79733@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<000001c97345$2288ad10$679a0730$@com>
Message-ID: <20090110202313.GB4301@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Tai,

They will be in the same format as "iTunes Plus" music is right now--just 
AAC without encryption.  You can rip your own music to the same format.  
Apple doesn't use mp3 because its AAC format is smaller for the same music 
quality.  A 256 kbps AAC file easily rivals a 320 kbps constant bitrate 
(CBR) mp3, and is smaller than 320 kbps variable bitrate (VBR) files.

Apple is heavily invested in the fact that people use iTunes to put music 
on iPods, and few competition players support AAC.  Don't expect them to 
give that up, especially when they have the technological advantage.

Joseph

On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:01:50AM -0600, Tai Blas(formerly Tomasi) wrote:
>Apple's iTunes will begin selling music files with no digital rights
>management (DRM). I think they will be in mp3 format since amazon's mp3
>store was also mentioned in the article I read.
>Tai
> 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of T. Joseph Carter
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:55 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes music on Victor Stream
>
>The Victor Stream does not support AAC encoded files from iTunes or from 
>anywhere else.  The are Apple-not-sanctioned means of removing the DRM from 
>iTunes music so that it can be played back on non-Apple music players, but 
>the Victor Stream doesn't support the underlying format.
>
>Joseph
>
>On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:23:28AM -0500, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>> I don't know specifically about accessibility with the Victor Stream.  
>> But music purchased from the iTunes store is encoded with .m4p, a  
>> protected and proprietary file type. Whether Apple has released a "key" 
>> to Victor Stream, I do not know, but I doubt it. Amazon's downloads are 
>> .mp3.
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2009, at 11:05 PM, gmail wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>  I have two questions for anyone on the list that may be able to answer 
>> them.
>>  My first question is concerning Washington Seminar. Does anyone need a 
>> room-mate at Washington Seminar? If you need a room mate, or if you know 
>> of anyone that needs a room mate, please let me know.
>>  Second: I just downloaded JAWS 10.0 on my computer, and I was really  
>> excited that I would be able to use ITunes. However, I have been having 
>> lot of difficulties with it. I downloaded ITunes 8 and I haven't had very 
>> much luck with it. I use my Victor Streem as an IPod, in addition to 
>> reading books on it, and I was wondering if ITunes offers MP3 filetypes, 
>> or any other filetypes that might work on the Victor Streem. JAWS has not 
>> been as accessible with ITunes as I expected. I hope it is just the 
>> operator and not the program.
>>  Thank you very much.
>>  At your service,
>>  Nijat
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>
>>
>>> Merisa,
>>>
>>> You can't download YouTube videos directly -- that's sort of the magic  
>>> of the site. You can find an application called the YouTube Downloader  
>>> if you want...but that downloads as video files. I'm a strong advocate  
>>> for legally purchasing music, though. iTunes or Amazon are the ones  
>>> that I typically use.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> The George Washington University '10
>>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>>
>>> On Jan 3, 2009, at 7:22 PM, Merisa Musemic wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Ashley! I also think youtube is a good website. I listen to music
>>> on there all the time, but how do you actually download from there?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Merisa
>>>
>>> On 1/3/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> Not many free music sites because music companies loose money.    
>>>> Youtube is
>>>> the best one I can think of.
>>>> Ashley
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Amy Sabo" <amylsabo at comcast.net>
>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: <perform-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:11 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free music downloads
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> first of all i hope that everyone is having a good year so far!   
>>>>> anyway, i
>>>>> know that there are many web sites thanks by doing a google search  
>>>>> for
>>>>> free music downloads of albums and songs. i have tried looking for  
>>>>> them
>>>>> and i cannot find the right ones to find. i know of amazon and use  
>>>>> them
>>>>> emensely but, i know that some of you have used these. so, i was  
>>>>> wondering
>>>>>
>>>>> which ones that you guys use and if so the web sites for them?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks again, and i look forward to hearing from you all soon!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hugs,
>>>>> from amy
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
>>>>> for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl
>ink.net
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gma
>il.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.co
>m
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gma
>il.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taiablas%40gmail.com
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From passionflower505 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 10 21:45:35 2009
From: passionflower505 at yahoo.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 13:45:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] blind artists
Message-ID: <784755.38780.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

As a part of the student spring seminar that I and the rest of the NC student division is in the process of planning, we are interested in bringing in a blind artist or two. I was curious if any of you knew any from NC or a surrounding state.

Also, if any of you are students in NC, or if any of you work in NC with students on a regular basis, and you are interested in getting involved, please contact me.
Thanks

Cindy Bennett
President: NC Association of Blind Students


      


From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Jan 10 21:52:55 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:52:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blind artists
References: <784755.38780.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002501c9736d$cb7d0f10$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hi Cindy

Unfortunately, I can't help with the location part, but, just for your 
interest, I'm friends with a deaf-blind young artist.  He graduated high 
school this past spring.  He draws realistically and his work is really 
great!  His family sells note cards with his drawings on them.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Bennett" <passionflower505 at yahoo.com>
To: "nfb of nc mailing list" <nfbofnc at nfbnet.org>; "nabs president's list" 
<nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "National Asociation of Blind Students" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] blind artists


> As a part of the student spring seminar that I and the rest of the NC 
> student division is in the process of planning, we are interested in 
> bringing in a blind artist or two. I was curious if any of you knew any 
> from NC or a surrounding state.
>
> Also, if any of you are students in NC, or if any of you work in NC with 
> students on a regular basis, and you are interested in getting involved, 
> please contact me.
> Thanks
>
> Cindy Bennett
> President: NC Association of Blind Students
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 11 01:59:57 2009
From: priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com (priscilla)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:59:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Gabs Introduction
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1231610402.32300.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.31.1231610402.32300.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DS4B0B852E3D7802B31728CBADB0@phx.gbl>

Hi Isaiah,
My name is Priscilla Garces.
I am attending Seton Hall University and am a Junior, entering senior year.
I am majoring in the field of International relations and Diplomacy.
I am part of the nabs list just like all of you, and look forward from 
hearing from you.
I look forward towards reading your emails and hope you come up with new and 
exciting ideas for the list.
if you have any questions about the field I am in and/or general chatting, 
Please feel free to reply.


Thank you very much.

Priscilla 



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 11 04:59:52 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:59:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind to Award $50, 000 in 2009
Message-ID: <auto-000082677726@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org

National Federation of the Blind Announces Dr. Jacob Bolotin Awards

National Federation of the Blind to Award $50,000 in 2009

Baltimore, Maryland (January 7, 2009): The National Federation of the 
Blind today announced that applications are now being accepted for 
the 2009 Dr. Jacob
Bolotin Award Program.  Each year the National Federation of the 
Blind presents cash awards to individuals and organizations that have 
made outstanding
contributions toward achieving the full integration of the blind into 
society on a basis of equality.

Dr. Jacob Bolotin was a blind physician who lived and practiced in 
Chicago in the early twentieth century.  He was widely known and 
respected in Chicago
and throughout the Midwest during his career, which spanned the 
period from 1912 until his untimely death at the age of thirty-six in 
1924.  He was particularly
recognized for his expertise on diseases of the heart and 
lungs.  Bolotin used his many public speaking engagements to advocate 
for the employment of the
blind and their full integration into society.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "Dr. Jacob Bolotin was a pioneer who overcame low expectations 
and discrimination
to become a renowned member of the medical profession without the 
benefit of the support services and civil rights protections 
available to blind people
today.  He was also a fierce advocate for greater opportunity for the 
blind in his time, and doubtless would have been a leader in the 
organized blind
movement had he lived to see it come into being.  The Jacob Bolotin 
Award Program celebrates his pioneering spirit by recognizing and 
supporting outstanding
programs, technologies, and individual efforts that promote 
independence and opportunity for blind Americans."

Recipients of the 2009 Dr. Jacob Bolotin Awards will be determined by 
the Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award Committee of the National Federation of 
the Blind.  Online
applications are due by April 15, 2009.  Individuals or organizations 
are encouraged to apply on behalf of themselves or others.  The award 
recipients
will be announced at the 2009 National Federation of the Blind 
Convention in Detroit.  A total of $50,000 will be distributed to the 
award recipients.

The Jacob Bolotin Award Program is funded through the generosity of 
Dr. Bolotin's nephew and niece, Alfred and Rosalind Pearlman.   In 
addition to establishing
the Alfred and Rosalind Pearlman Trust to endow the awards, the late 
Mrs. Pearlman also wrote The Blind Doctor: The Jacob Bolotin 
Story.   The book has
been published by Blue Point Books and can be ordered directly from 
the publisher at
www.bluepointbooks.com
.  Proceeds from book sales will also benefit the award program.  For 
more information or to fill out the online application, please visit
www.nfb.org.

###

About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United
States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, 
education, research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.
It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of 
the nation's blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National 
Federation of the
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.  Please visit our Web site:
www.nfb.org.

_______________________________________________



From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 11 06:30:04 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:30:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas Students
Message-ID: <BAY136-W25374D5241D45105FD309DDFDB0@phx.gbl>


Hey everyone. I've been on the list for a while, but this is my first posting so here goes nothing. My name is Juan Carlos Munoz of Houston, Texas. I'm 19 years old, and a senior at Lamar High School. I'm 1st board member with TABS, and I figured I'd use the list to spread the following. If you know some in Texas, won't you please make sure they know about this? Thank you.

TABS ANNOUNCES ANNUAL SPRING CONFERENCE!

The Texas Association of Blind Students will hold it's annual spring conference on March 27-29 at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Austin. The conference is opened to all current Texas students. Now is the time to reserve your room. Rates are $89 for up to 2 people, and $109 for 3 people. The deadline to secure rooms at these rates is February 25. More information is available at

www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html

Also, if you have a MySpace account, and you haven't already done so, visit the TABS page located at

www.myspace.com/tabstudent

If you have any questions about any aspect of the conference, feel free to contact me either by replying to this message, or by sending me an e-mail at

blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com

Come on Texas students, it's going to be a fun weekend!

_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat. Store. Share. Do more with mail. 
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009

From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 11 06:46:47 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:46:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas students
Message-ID: <BAY136-W24D03116504E22BE78FB9DFDB0@phx.gbl>


Hey there everyone. This is my first posting, although I've been a member of the list for several months now, so here goes nothing. My name is Juan Carlos Munoz of Houston, Texas. I'm 19 years, a senior at Lamar High School, a drummer, singer, and 1st board member with TABS. I figured I'd use the list to spread the following message. If you by any chance know a Texas student, won't you please make sure they get this. Thank you so much.

TABS ANNOUNCES ANNUAL SPRING CONFERENCE!

The Texas Association of Blind Students will hold it's annual Spring Conference on March 27-29 at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Austin, Texas. The conference is opened to all current Texas students. Now is the time to pre-register with us and reserve your room. The rates for this year's conference are $89 for singles and doubles, and $109 for tripples. The deadline to secure your room at these rates is February 25. More information is available at

www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html

If you have any questios, contact me at

blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com

Come on Texas students. It's going to be a fun weekend full of useful information, socializing, and door prizes all weekend. What are you waiting for!

_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009

From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Sun Jan 11 15:46:49 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:46:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas Students
Message-ID: <20090111154658.OJBU14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Hi Juan,
Welcome.  My name is Hannah and I'm a freshman in high school.  I 
live in the very north of California.  Enjoy being on the list.
Cheers,
Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Juan Carlos Munoz <blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com
>To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:30:04 -0600
>Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas Students


>Hey everyone.  I've been on the list for a while, but this is my 
first posting so here goes nothing.  My name is Juan Carlos Munoz 
of Houston, Texas.  I'm 19 years old, and a senior at Lamar High 
School.  I'm 1st board member with TABS, and I figured I'd use 
the list to spread the following.  If you know some in Texas, 
won't you please make sure they know about this? Thank you.

>TABS ANNOUNCES ANNUAL SPRING CONFERENCE!

>The Texas Association of Blind Students will hold it's annual 
spring conference on March 27-29 at the Crowne Plaza hotel in 
Austin.  The conference is opened to all current Texas students.  
Now is the time to reserve your room.  Rates are $89 for up to 2 
people, and $109 for 3 people.  The deadline to secure rooms at 
these rates is February 25.  More information is available at

>www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html

>Also, if you have a MySpace account, and you haven't already done 
so, visit the TABS page located at

>www.myspace.com/tabstudent

>If you have any questions about any aspect of the conference, 
feel free to contact me either by replying to this message, or by 
sending me an e-mail at

>blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com

>Come on Texas students, it's going to be a fun weekend!

>_________________________________________________________________
>Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat.  Store.  Share.  Do more with mail.
>http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgot
better_howitworks_012009
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net



From jess28 at samobile.net  Sun Jan 11 18:37:03 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:37:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recruitment
Message-ID: <20090111183703.29744.40099@biff.serotek.com>

Greetings,
I'm interested to know what methods are being used to recruit new 
members to National Association of Blind Students Nationally and  
within the State affiliates?
I may be getting the New York State Affiliate active again if it's no 
longer active any longer.
If someone could please sent me an email off list with the Contact 
information for both the NFB State president and the State leader of 
the National Organization for Parents of Blind Children in New York 
State that would be great.
Go ahead and send the email to me at jess28 at samobile.net

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 18:54:26 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:54:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recruitment
In-Reply-To: <20090111183703.29744.40099@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <496a4069.1f2d400a.7dd5.ffffdc18@mx.google.com>

Dear Jessica,
I did this last week, will resend. Perhaps it was to your other email
address. 


Their contact info from the nfb site is:
NFB of New York
Carl Jacobsen, President 
471 63rd Street 
Brooklyn, New York 11220-4617 
NFB of NY: 718-567-7821
E-mail: office at nfbny.org
Web site: http://www.nfbny.org/ 

NFB Parents of Blind Children
Maria Garcia, President
New York Parents of Blind Children
New York, New York
Phone: 212-222-1705
E-mail: pobcny at verizon.net
Web site: http://www.pobcny.org/




 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jessica Trask
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 12:37 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Recruitment

Greetings,
I'm interested to know what methods are being used to recruit new 
members to National Association of Blind Students Nationally and  
within the State affiliates?
I may be getting the New York State Affiliate active again if it's no 
longer active any longer.
If someone could please sent me an email off list with the Contact 
information for both the NFB State president and the State leader of 
the National Organization for Parents of Blind Children in New York 
State that would be great.
Go ahead and send the email to me at jess28 at samobile.net

-- 
Jess
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 11 19:23:51 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:23:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Shiny KNFB Reader For Sale!
Message-ID: <20090111192351.29745.28304@biff.serotek.com>

Hello everyone.

I have a shiny and hardly used KNfB Reader Classic for sale, It's the 
second model, so that means there's no sighted assistance needed should 
the battery go flat and you need to reset it. This reader has all the 
goodies including battery chargers, an extra camera battery, 
headphones, and all the necessary cards, software, and documentation. 
I'm currently asking $800 for it, but will haggle!

This unit is fantastic for people with dextarity-related disabilities 
because the buttons are fairly large and easily distinguishable by 
touch. The reader also includes a feature which allows the user to 
utilize the entire center square as the picture button. the 
Independence Market currently sells a stand for the reader should you 
desire one once you've purchased your shiny new reader.

Contact me off list at this address if you have questions about this 
glorious device! Or, you can call me at 360-920-5213. This ad is surely 
bound for the Monitor Mart, so get it before someone else does!

Yours in fellowship.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From passionflower505 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 19:36:40 2009
From: passionflower505 at yahoo.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 11:36:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
Message-ID: <458727.89504.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done online through a website generated by the company that publishes the book. It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I first downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the questions, but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate confirmed the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course compass while using a screen reader?

I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online components did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step by step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing out on a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for the course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have a private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?

It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to everything having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
Thanks
Cindy


      


From passionflower505 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 11 20:38:41 2009
From: passionflower505 at yahoo.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:38:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question
Message-ID: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Do any of you know how to go about telling jaws not to speak while a certain program is running?
Thanks
Cindy


      


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 20:58:06 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:58:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] People Braille
Message-ID: <496a5d65.070fc00a.5835.54f7@mx.google.com>

Greetings!

 

I came up with this as a new way for my Saturday School kids to have fun
with Braille. Not all of my ingenious ideas stick (c'mon!-smile)-hope this
one will. Try it with your kids, families and their friends at your seminars
or Saturday schools, at your teen nights and student meetings or chapter
meetings, with your students in school and to sighted classmates, post it on
www.braille.org <http://www.braille.org/> .

 

People Braille

You will need: a minimum of six people (for each cell)

A minimum of six frozen pizza cardboard circles (or cut out your own)

Tape the circles with double sided carpet tape or good old duct tape to the
floor about 12 inches apart in the shape of a Braille cell

Each person represents a dot. For a "round" or game someone would be dot one
always and someone dot two, etc.

For the Braille novice or learner do the alphabet

For those with grade II knowledge and depending on the size of the group
take it up a notch to contractions

The leader would call out "letter A" and of course only dot one would get on
the cell, "letter B" and dots one and two and so on and so forth.

You could figure a way to keep it competitive and keep score for learners, a
penalty for not knowing your dot number needed to get on or off the cell for
example.

 

I believe this has potential to be a great, fun, active way to get learners
to correlate and remember dot numbers with each letter or contraction while
getting a sort of mental map, repetition that is not boring works wonders
for learning! It is also a great way for siblings and family and interested
others to learn. 

 

Try it and tell me how it went!  

 

 

Happy Braille to you! 

 

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

 


From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 21:34:00 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:34:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question
In-Reply-To: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <632092010901111334m1d9163c0oa7e5787fcdcc3b57@mail.gmail.com>

Cindy,
JAWS has a key stroke that turns the program on, Alt control J, if you
open a program where you do not want JAWS to speak in, you can unload
JAWS, insert F 4, and select and press enter on ok. When you are done
working with this program you can press Alt Control J, and JAWS will
start up again.
If anyone else has any suggestions...
Aziza

On 1/11/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do any of you know how to go about telling jaws not to speak while a certain
> program is running?
> Thanks
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com
>


From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 21:46:31 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:46:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question
In-Reply-To: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901111346u4c64be92oc2b6cd47738bed9f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cindy! In order to put Jaws to sleep, you need to go into the
utility menu, down  arrow to configuration manager, hit enter, then
down aroow until you find advanced options, the first item you will
hear is sleep mode check box, this box should be checked, this will
put Jaws to sleep while another program like Kurzweil or open book is
speaking.
Hth!
Merisa

On 1/11/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do any of you know how to go about telling jaws not to speak while a certain
> program is running?
> Thanks
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>


From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 22:26:30 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:26:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question
References: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3A5E75AFB388425DB3F597E169DCAF31@Dezman>

Cindy,
To put JAWS in sleep mode, first open the particular application in which 
you want jaws to sleep in. Then press insert plus 6 on the numbers row to 
bring up the configuration manager. Then pull down the set option menu and 
go down to advanced options and press enter. The first option should be a 
checkbox to have jaws sleep for that application. Check this option and 
press enter. Then press control S to save the config file. At least this is 
the setup in jaws 7 and it should be similar in other versions.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Bennett" <passionflower505 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Asociation of Blind Students" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 2:38 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question


> Do any of you know how to go about telling jaws not to speak while a 
> certain program is running?
> Thanks
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From sarah at growingstrong.org  Sun Jan 11 22:51:58 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:51:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question
References: <785739.39926.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<632092010901111334m1d9163c0oa7e5787fcdcc3b57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010e01c9743f$368e8000$6501a8c0@SBLAPTOP>

The ctrl+alt+j keystroke is not built in to JAWS. It is a hotkey that needs 
to be set up. There is a much easier way to disable speech for a particular 
program

>From inside the program where you don't want JAWS to speak, press insert+f2 
to bring up the list of managers. Then choose configuration manager.
Press alt+s and church advanced options.
In this dialogue, check the box for lseep mode. Then press enter on ok, save 
the configuration file, and exit.

Be sure that you are altering the configuration file for the program and not 
the default configuration file for JAWS! You do not want JAWS asleep all the 
time!

Sarah J. Blake
http://www.growingstrong.org
sjblake at growingstrong.org 


I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Jan 12 00:32:13 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:32:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] People Braille
Message-ID: <20090112003213.1327.24974@biff.serotek.com>

A good variant is to have chairs in the shape of a cell and have people 
stand when they're dot's on and sit when it's not. The trick is to not 
only get it correct, but FAST! It's a lot of fun and works great in 
smaller spaces.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 01:54:45 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:54:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] People Braille
In-Reply-To: <20090112003213.1327.24974@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <496aa2ec.20018e0a.57e7.ffff81d3@mx.google.com>

Great variant Jedi-there is nothing ever totally new under the sun. I like
the racing! I had never heard of anyone or been where anyone has played
anything like this. I'm excited more are learning of the fun idea. I like
the chairs, on the teacher list a teacher had used chairs and holding paper
plates so people in wheel chairs could participate.
Thanks for sharing!

 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jedi
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 6:32 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] People Braille

A good variant is to have chairs in the shape of a cell and have people 
stand when they're dot's on and sit when it's not. The trick is to not 
only get it correct, but FAST! It's a lot of fun and works great in 
smaller spaces.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Jan 12 02:16:05 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 21:16:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reader Has Been Sold But...
Message-ID: <20090112021605.12357.72887@biff.serotek.com>

I just got the reader sold. However, I have an accessible cell phone 
for sale at $200. It's a Nokia 3650 with TALKS and Loastone. Contact me 
off-list for more information or call me at 360-920-5213.

Thanks.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From amylsabo at comcast.net  Mon Jan 12 02:49:40 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:49:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] blind artists
Message-ID: <011220090249.10908.496AAFC40008F4BF00002A9C2200734076010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello cindy,

thanks for sending this to the list. i will forward this information that you sent to the performing arts division list since this relates to it! thanks again and, good luck on your student seminar coming up soon!



hugs,
from amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> 

> As a part of the student spring seminar that I and the rest of the NC student 
> division is in the process of planning, we are interested in bringing in a blind 
> artist or two. I was curious if any of you knew any from NC or a surrounding 
> state. 
> 
> Also, if any of you are students in NC, or if any of you work in NC with 
> students on a regular basis, and you are interested in getting involved, please 
> contact me. 
> Thanks 
> 
> Cindy Bennett 
> President: NC Association of Blind Students 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 12 04:22:49 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:22:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehashing an old yet interesting topic
Message-ID: <DDB93EAC5F9F4A2A8B02F5EB9B5D5430@davee984e49f02>

Please read the article below. I know it's sort of rehashing an old bitter 
topic but I do feel that it is an interesting read all the same.


Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [il-talk] Article about "Blindness"




I just came across this fine piece about the movie "Blindness" in Breath and
Shadow, an online journal  of writing about disability.

_______

The Indignity of Blindness By Chris Kuell

I had a lively debate with my sixteen-year-old son a few days ago. We were
discussing the movie Blindness, which opened on October 3, and is based on
the
novel written by Portuguese author José Saramago. Like most teenage males,
my son thought the previews looked great, with glimpses of epidemic, chaos,
violence and horror. I'm familiar with this type of movie's appeal, as I saw
I Am Legend and 28 Days with him-both films about the human struggle to
overcome
an unknown virus which turns people into raging, zombiesque creatures.
Saramago's twist is that people become blind and are segregated, which he
postulates
will naturally lead to societal devolution.

The story begins with a man waiting at a red light. Suddenly and without
cause, he goes blind. A good Samaritan helps him home, and he too becomes
blind.
The first blind man sees an ophthalmologist, who goes blind, and so on. The
only person to escape the plight of blindness is the doctor's wife, who
fakes
being blind so she can stay with her husband when all blind people are
rounded up and confined in an abandoned asylum.

I understand the allegorical nature of the book/film--how if you pull out
one of the supportive beams of a society, it will quickly
crumble--Basically,
a variation on William Golding's classic novel, The Lord of the Flies.

Saramago's choice of blindness as his epidemic was in no way random. After
all, blindness is fairly rare, highly misunderstood, and feared by every
sighted
person. It is impossible to imagine what blindness is like, so it is easy to
believe it's horrible. To envision that without sighted people to help them,
blind people would quickly devolve into animals who defecate where they
sleep, steal and rape and lose their humanity. A quote from the book is
illustrative:
"It was too funny for words, some of the blind on their knees advancing on
all fours, their faces practically touching the ground as if they were
pigs."

Society, full of misconceptions and false impressions of blindness, easily
swallows this. Short of zombies, nobody could believe such degradation could
come from anyone else except maybe the mentally retarded or people with
psychological problems, and of course, nobody would dare portray those
groups in
such an ugly light.

So why is it okay to portray blind people this way? The truth is, the
average blind person can do the average job as well as the average sighted
person.
I can sense the disbelief, as most readers have bought into the myths of Mr.
Magoo and their own subconscious fears--as I once did. That's why
able-bodied
blind people have a greater than 70% unemployment rate. That's why blind
people with masters degrees wind up bagging groceries if they can find a job
at
all, because the sighted public just can't believe they can do much more.
That's why people talk to them as if they are slow, or ask the sighted
person
they are with what they want to eat, or ask if they'd like someone to cut up
their food for them, or if they need help in the bathroom. You can't imagine
how degrading it is to be pulled by the arm like a child or a dog, or told
you can't ride the roller coaster because you might get hurt, but a
10-year-old
can ride all she wants.

Of course, no film/novel like this is complete without somebody to save the
day. Chaos can't win, the human spirit must prevail, and Saramago's savior,
the only person who can possibly lead the blind animals from the madness is
of course, the doctor's sighted wife. After she leads her grateful followers
out into the filth of the city, there comes a cleansing rain, and just as
suddenly as the blindness came, sight is returned. Hope is renewed.

The truth is, many blind people live alone, or together, without the
guidance of a sighted savior. They travel independently, to cities and
places they've
never been, and do just fine. They cook and clean and work and play and
love--all without sighted help.

Films like this feed into society's fears and misconceptions, and are highly
offensive and damaging to blind people. How would the public react if the
victims
were women, suddenly struck by breast cancer? Or Caucasians, suddenly having
their skin darkened, followed by isolation and inevitable social collapse?
There would be outrage.

Saramago's novel has literary merit, and those who have made it through the
difficult prose (he doesn't use quotation marks or much punctuation, and one
sentence I found was 128 words long) might think it brilliant. People prone
to ignorance aren't very likely to make it through such a difficult read.
However,
the film adaptation is being promoted as a horror flick, available to anyone
with 2 hours and ten bucks to spare. I'm guessing the audience will largely
consist of impressionable teenagers who will soak up the inaccurate
portrayal of blindness and leave it to fester in their subconscious. Then
one day when
a blind person comes looking for a job, it will surface, and that blind
person won't stand a chance.

I know-I am that blind person.

Postscript: My son and his friends never went to see Blindness. It was
pulled from our local movie theatre less than three weeks after its release.
According
to my research, the movie has regained only about a third of what it cost to
make it.

Budget estimate: $25,000,000 (www.imdb.com)
Worldwide Gross, as of November 7, 2008:
$8,683,577(www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chris Kuell is a blind writer and advocate living in Connecticut. He is the
Editor-in-Chief of Breath and Shadow. A version of this essay appeared
previously
in The New Haven Register.


_______________________________________________
il-talk mailing list
il-talk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/il-talk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
il-talk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/il-talk_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net 



From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 12 04:23:50 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:23:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas Students
In-Reply-To: <20090111154658.OJBU14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090111154658.OJBU14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W120FE8D24F4A85469F5AD3DFD80@phx.gbl>


Thanks a lot hannah. I look forward to many happy and helpful years with NABS.

> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:46:49 -0800
> From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas Students
> 
> Hi Juan,
> Welcome.  My name is Hannah and I'm a freshman in high school.  I 
> live in the very north of California.  Enjoy being on the list.
> Cheers,
> Hannah
> 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >From: Juan Carlos Munoz <blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com
> >To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:30:04 -0600
> >Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to all, and a message for Texas Students
> 
> 
> >Hey everyone.  I've been on the list for a while, but this is my 
> first posting so here goes nothing.  My name is Juan Carlos Munoz 
> of Houston, Texas.  I'm 19 years old, and a senior at Lamar High 
> School.  I'm 1st board member with TABS, and I figured I'd use 
> the list to spread the following.  If you know some in Texas, 
> won't you please make sure they know about this? Thank you.
> 
> >TABS ANNOUNCES ANNUAL SPRING CONFERENCE!
> 
> >The Texas Association of Blind Students will hold it's annual 
> spring conference on March 27-29 at the Crowne Plaza hotel in 
> Austin.  The conference is opened to all current Texas students.  
> Now is the time to reserve your room.  Rates are $89 for up to 2 
> people, and $109 for 3 people.  The deadline to secure rooms at 
> these rates is February 25.  More information is available at
> 
> >www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html
> 
> >Also, if you have a MySpace account, and you haven't already done 
> so, visit the TABS page located at
> 
> >www.myspace.com/tabstudent
> 
> >If you have any questions about any aspect of the conference, 
> feel free to contact me either by replying to this message, or by 
> sending me an e-mail at
> 
> >blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com
> 
> >Come on Texas students, it's going to be a fun weekend!
> 
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Chat.  Store.  Share.  Do more with mail.
> >http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_hm_justgot
> better_howitworks_012009
> >_______________________________________________
> >nabs-l mailing list
> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> for nabs-l:
> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
> cious%40suddenlink.net
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blinddrummer1989%40hotmail.com

_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009

From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 06:59:12 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:59:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehashing an old yet interesting topic
In-Reply-To: <DDB93EAC5F9F4A2A8B02F5EB9B5D5430@davee984e49f02>
References: <DDB93EAC5F9F4A2A8B02F5EB9B5D5430@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901112259r19f88bdcpe29a92b47e11ce45@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa.  I didn't think this would come up!  There are some good
questions asked and answered in this essay, and I must dmit that
ther's some merit to what is being talked about here.
Beth

On 1/11/09, Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Please read the article below. I know it's sort of rehashing an old bitter
> topic but I do feel that it is an interesting read all the same.
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:22 PM
> Subject: [il-talk] Article about "Blindness"
>
>
>
>
> I just came across this fine piece about the movie "Blindness" in Breath and
> Shadow, an online journal  of writing about disability.
>
> _______
>
> The Indignity of Blindness By Chris Kuell
>
> I had a lively debate with my sixteen-year-old son a few days ago. We were
> discussing the movie Blindness, which opened on October 3, and is based on
> the
> novel written by Portuguese author José Saramago. Like most teenage males,
> my son thought the previews looked great, with glimpses of epidemic, chaos,
> violence and horror. I'm familiar with this type of movie's appeal, as I saw
> I Am Legend and 28 Days with him-both films about the human struggle to
> overcome
> an unknown virus which turns people into raging, zombiesque creatures.
> Saramago's twist is that people become blind and are segregated, which he
> postulates
> will naturally lead to societal devolution.
>
> The story begins with a man waiting at a red light. Suddenly and without
> cause, he goes blind. A good Samaritan helps him home, and he too becomes
> blind.
> The first blind man sees an ophthalmologist, who goes blind, and so on. The
> only person to escape the plight of blindness is the doctor's wife, who
> fakes
> being blind so she can stay with her husband when all blind people are
> rounded up and confined in an abandoned asylum.
>
> I understand the allegorical nature of the book/film--how if you pull out
> one of the supportive beams of a society, it will quickly
> crumble--Basically,
> a variation on William Golding's classic novel, The Lord of the Flies.
>
> Saramago's choice of blindness as his epidemic was in no way random. After
> all, blindness is fairly rare, highly misunderstood, and feared by every
> sighted
> person. It is impossible to imagine what blindness is like, so it is easy to
> believe it's horrible. To envision that without sighted people to help them,
> blind people would quickly devolve into animals who defecate where they
> sleep, steal and rape and lose their humanity. A quote from the book is
> illustrative:
> "It was too funny for words, some of the blind on their knees advancing on
> all fours, their faces practically touching the ground as if they were
> pigs."
>
> Society, full of misconceptions and false impressions of blindness, easily
> swallows this. Short of zombies, nobody could believe such degradation could
> come from anyone else except maybe the mentally retarded or people with
> psychological problems, and of course, nobody would dare portray those
> groups in
> such an ugly light.
>
> So why is it okay to portray blind people this way? The truth is, the
> average blind person can do the average job as well as the average sighted
> person.
> I can sense the disbelief, as most readers have bought into the myths of Mr.
> Magoo and their own subconscious fears--as I once did. That's why
> able-bodied
> blind people have a greater than 70% unemployment rate. That's why blind
> people with masters degrees wind up bagging groceries if they can find a job
> at
> all, because the sighted public just can't believe they can do much more.
> That's why people talk to them as if they are slow, or ask the sighted
> person
> they are with what they want to eat, or ask if they'd like someone to cut up
> their food for them, or if they need help in the bathroom. You can't imagine
> how degrading it is to be pulled by the arm like a child or a dog, or told
> you can't ride the roller coaster because you might get hurt, but a
> 10-year-old
> can ride all she wants.
>
> Of course, no film/novel like this is complete without somebody to save the
> day. Chaos can't win, the human spirit must prevail, and Saramago's savior,
> the only person who can possibly lead the blind animals from the madness is
> of course, the doctor's sighted wife. After she leads her grateful followers
> out into the filth of the city, there comes a cleansing rain, and just as
> suddenly as the blindness came, sight is returned. Hope is renewed.
>
> The truth is, many blind people live alone, or together, without the
> guidance of a sighted savior. They travel independently, to cities and
> places they've
> never been, and do just fine. They cook and clean and work and play and
> love--all without sighted help.
>
> Films like this feed into society's fears and misconceptions, and are highly
> offensive and damaging to blind people. How would the public react if the
> victims
> were women, suddenly struck by breast cancer? Or Caucasians, suddenly having
> their skin darkened, followed by isolation and inevitable social collapse?
> There would be outrage.
>
> Saramago's novel has literary merit, and those who have made it through the
> difficult prose (he doesn't use quotation marks or much punctuation, and one
> sentence I found was 128 words long) might think it brilliant. People prone
> to ignorance aren't very likely to make it through such a difficult read.
> However,
> the film adaptation is being promoted as a horror flick, available to anyone
> with 2 hours and ten bucks to spare. I'm guessing the audience will largely
> consist of impressionable teenagers who will soak up the inaccurate
> portrayal of blindness and leave it to fester in their subconscious. Then
> one day when
> a blind person comes looking for a job, it will surface, and that blind
> person won't stand a chance.
>
> I know-I am that blind person.
>
> Postscript: My son and his friends never went to see Blindness. It was
> pulled from our local movie theatre less than three weeks after its release.
> According
> to my research, the movie has regained only about a third of what it cost to
> make it.
>
> Budget estimate: $25,000,000 (www.imdb.com)
> Worldwide Gross, as of November 7, 2008:
> $8,683,577(www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Chris Kuell is a blind writer and advocate living in Connecticut. He is the
> Editor-in-Chief of Breath and Shadow. A version of this essay appeared
> previously
> in The New Haven Register.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> il-talk mailing list
> il-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/il-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> il-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/il-talk_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Mon Jan 12 14:07:02 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:07:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Good Luck!
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0901112259r19f88bdcpe29a92b47e11ce45@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DDB93EAC5F9F4A2A8B02F5EB9B5D5430@davee984e49f02>
	<4383d01d0901112259r19f88bdcpe29a92b47e11ce45@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9E66D6617854B92A881A86361ACC2B9@DianePC>

To all of us who are returning to school today from "A long winters nap", 
good luck!
I am starting at the University of Northern Colorado, and am a little 
nervous.
Diane 



From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Jan 12 17:22:21 2009
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:22:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] law school admissions test
Message-ID: <16F7E1B7BAE3488F921BB90926C07FE2@labarre>

Greetings:

We are collecting information regarding the experience of blind and visually impaired students applying for and taking the law school admissions test.  For anyone who is currently going through the process or has done so in the last couple of years, I would like you to contact me off list at the information below because we have a brief survey we would like to have you complete.  Some of you have already done this, but please contact me to amke sure we have your information.  Please also forward this email to anyone to whom you think it may apply.  Thanks in advance for your help.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments are covered by the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521.

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 19:00:34 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:00:34 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
In-Reply-To: <458727.89504.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <458727.89504.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901121100s3b73e6eera44324c528065caa@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cindy,

I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
scripting, etc.)

The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
support center) may be more appropriate.

Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
it, this can be very workable.

Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.

This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
isn't grading your test.

Arielle

On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the book.
> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I first
> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the questions,
> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate confirmed
> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course compass
> while using a screen reader?
>
> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online components
> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step by
> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing out on
> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for the
> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have a
> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>
> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to everything
> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
> Thanks
> Cindy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 21:48:39 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 16:48:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABSLink.org
Message-ID: <3D7A32652C9947ED9857411869A2B494@MonkeyPaw>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


CONTACT: 
Terri Rupp, President

National Association of Blind Students (NABS),

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

(707) 567-3019

 <mailto:president at nabslink.org/> president at nabslink.org/

 


Online Portal Opens New Frontiers for Blind Students:


 

Las Vegas, Nevada (January 12, 2009)-The National Association of Blind
Students announced today the first phase launch of its official web site,
NABSLink.org.  The site comes at the commencement of a new campaign to reach
blind and visually impaired students across the country and is a direct
response to the need for centralized information for high school and
post-secondary students.  Terri Rupp, president of NABS, said: "Students
play a crucial role in the movement of the organized blind.  We rely on the
up and coming generation to keep the momentum fresh, and it was time we did
something to gather all the tools for their success in a single convenient
location to keep that momentum strong."

 

The site styles itself after a virtual university.  Among other features,
NABSLink hosts a Career Center and Bluebook to connect students with a
number of informative tools and resources to facilitate their independence
inside and outside of the classroom.  To facilitate communication between
the organization's leadership, membership and the public at large there is
also an official blog and wiki project.  The web development team believes
these individual features will help cultivate a thriving repository of
up-to-date information to aid students at various levels in their
educational and professional development.

 

The NABS Board of Directors is pleased to finally release the first phase of
a project it hopes to continue growing with the contributions and support of
its members and the general public.  Anyone is welcomed to help build upon
this foundation.  Ultimately the site will foster self-sufficiency and
independence and be one more vehicle to expand opportunities for all blind
students pursuing a myriad of professional paths.

 

 # # #

 

About the National Association of Blind Students

The mission of the National Association of Blind Students is to promote
equal access to opportunities for all blind students inside and outside of
the classroom. Through conferences, professional networks, mentoring and
advocacy we are changing what it means to be blind in the 21st century, and
we achieve this by adhering to and supporting the goals of the National
Federation of the Blind.

 

 

About the National Federation of the Blind

 

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the
largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the
United States.   The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy,
education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and
self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the blindness field today and
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.



 


From bjsexton at comcast.net  Mon Jan 12 21:34:14 2009
From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 13:34:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehashing an old yet interesting topic
References: <DDB93EAC5F9F4A2A8B02F5EB9B5D5430@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <92AFE2BAF7FB404D828A1C50F337E724@FATSO>

Dear NABS,

In this message Chris Kuell wrote "I'm guessing the audience will largely 
consist of impressionable teenagers who will soak up the inaccurate 
portrayal of blindness and leave it to fester in their subconscious."

I thought that this might also be the case.  However, when we were 
protesting the movie, there were teens who came out from watching the movie 
who were just as disgusted as the rest of society.  They told us that that 
is not how they see blind people whatsoever.  Others who were entering the 
theater said, "oh I wasn't going to watch that any way," or "the movie had 
bad reviews so we were going to watch something better."  It's good to know 
that our "impressionable teens" have some sense, at least at the movie 
theater we protested.

Most of the folks who watched the movie "blindness"  seemed to be 30 and up. 
a large portion of whom disliked the movie.  Some even trickled out early 
they were so appalled.  It's no wonder that the movie lost money.

-B.J.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:22 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehashing an old yet interesting topic


Please read the article below. I know it's sort of rehashing an old bitter
topic but I do feel that it is an interesting read all the same.


Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: [il-talk] Article about "Blindness"




I just came across this fine piece about the movie "Blindness" in Breath and
Shadow, an online journal  of writing about disability.

_______

The Indignity of Blindness By Chris Kuell

I had a lively debate with my sixteen-year-old son a few days ago. We were
discussing the movie Blindness, which opened on October 3, and is based on
the
novel written by Portuguese author José Saramago. Like most teenage males,
my son thought the previews looked great, with glimpses of epidemic, chaos,
violence and horror. I'm familiar with this type of movie's appeal, as I saw
I Am Legend and 28 Days with him-both films about the human struggle to
overcome
an unknown virus which turns people into raging, zombiesque creatures.
Saramago's twist is that people become blind and are segregated, which he
postulates
will naturally lead to societal devolution.

The story begins with a man waiting at a red light. Suddenly and without
cause, he goes blind. A good Samaritan helps him home, and he too becomes
blind.
The first blind man sees an ophthalmologist, who goes blind, and so on. The
only person to escape the plight of blindness is the doctor's wife, who
fakes
being blind so she can stay with her husband when all blind people are
rounded up and confined in an abandoned asylum.

I understand the allegorical nature of the book/film--how if you pull out
one of the supportive beams of a society, it will quickly
crumble--Basically,
a variation on William Golding's classic novel, The Lord of the Flies.

Saramago's choice of blindness as his epidemic was in no way random. After
all, blindness is fairly rare, highly misunderstood, and feared by every
sighted
person. It is impossible to imagine what blindness is like, so it is easy to
believe it's horrible. To envision that without sighted people to help them,
blind people would quickly devolve into animals who defecate where they
sleep, steal and rape and lose their humanity. A quote from the book is
illustrative:
"It was too funny for words, some of the blind on their knees advancing on
all fours, their faces practically touching the ground as if they were
pigs."

Society, full of misconceptions and false impressions of blindness, easily
swallows this. Short of zombies, nobody could believe such degradation could
come from anyone else except maybe the mentally retarded or people with
psychological problems, and of course, nobody would dare portray those
groups in
such an ugly light.

So why is it okay to portray blind people this way? The truth is, the
average blind person can do the average job as well as the average sighted
person.
I can sense the disbelief, as most readers have bought into the myths of Mr.
Magoo and their own subconscious fears--as I once did. That's why
able-bodied
blind people have a greater than 70% unemployment rate. That's why blind
people with masters degrees wind up bagging groceries if they can find a job
at
all, because the sighted public just can't believe they can do much more.
That's why people talk to them as if they are slow, or ask the sighted
person
they are with what they want to eat, or ask if they'd like someone to cut up
their food for them, or if they need help in the bathroom. You can't imagine
how degrading it is to be pulled by the arm like a child or a dog, or told
you can't ride the roller coaster because you might get hurt, but a
10-year-old
can ride all she wants.

Of course, no film/novel like this is complete without somebody to save the
day. Chaos can't win, the human spirit must prevail, and Saramago's savior,
the only person who can possibly lead the blind animals from the madness is
of course, the doctor's sighted wife. After she leads her grateful followers
out into the filth of the city, there comes a cleansing rain, and just as
suddenly as the blindness came, sight is returned. Hope is renewed.

The truth is, many blind people live alone, or together, without the
guidance of a sighted savior. They travel independently, to cities and
places they've
never been, and do just fine. They cook and clean and work and play and
love--all without sighted help.

Films like this feed into society's fears and misconceptions, and are highly
offensive and damaging to blind people. How would the public react if the
victims
were women, suddenly struck by breast cancer? Or Caucasians, suddenly having
their skin darkened, followed by isolation and inevitable social collapse?
There would be outrage.

Saramago's novel has literary merit, and those who have made it through the
difficult prose (he doesn't use quotation marks or much punctuation, and one
sentence I found was 128 words long) might think it brilliant. People prone
to ignorance aren't very likely to make it through such a difficult read.
However,
the film adaptation is being promoted as a horror flick, available to anyone
with 2 hours and ten bucks to spare. I'm guessing the audience will largely
consist of impressionable teenagers who will soak up the inaccurate
portrayal of blindness and leave it to fester in their subconscious. Then
one day when
a blind person comes looking for a job, it will surface, and that blind
person won't stand a chance.

I know-I am that blind person.

Postscript: My son and his friends never went to see Blindness. It was
pulled from our local movie theatre less than three weeks after its release.
According
to my research, the movie has regained only about a third of what it cost to
make it.

Budget estimate: $25,000,000 (www.imdb.com)
Worldwide Gross, as of November 7, 2008:
$8,683,577(www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chris Kuell is a blind writer and advocate living in Connecticut. He is the
Editor-in-Chief of Breath and Shadow. A version of this essay appeared
previously
in The New Haven Register.


_______________________________________________
il-talk mailing list
il-talk at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/il-talk_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
il-talk:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/il-talk_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjsexton%40comcast.net 



From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 22:17:15 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:17:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030901121100s3b73e6eera44324c528065caa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <458727.89504.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<b6b933030901121100s3b73e6eera44324c528065caa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901121417r6a31c280ye5ae9676f15f0fad@mail.gmail.com>

Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
isn't that?
Beth

On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Cindy,
>
> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
> scripting, etc.)
>
> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
> support center) may be more appropriate.
>
> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
> it, this can be very workable.
>
> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>
> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
> isn't grading your test.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the book.
>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>> first
>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the questions,
>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate confirmed
>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course compass
>> while using a screen reader?
>>
>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online components
>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
>> by
>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing out
>> on
>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for the
>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have a
>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>
>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to everything
>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
>> Thanks
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 23:03:51 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:03:51 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0901121417r6a31c280ye5ae9676f15f0fad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <458727.89504.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<b6b933030901121100s3b73e6eera44324c528065caa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0901121417r6a31c280ye5ae9676f15f0fad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901121503q197c9078q97667737411fd677@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Beth and all,

That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
as much as possible--so we have some quality control!

Arielle

On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
> isn't that?
> Beth
>
> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Cindy,
>>
>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
>> scripting, etc.)
>>
>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
>> support center) may be more appropriate.
>>
>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
>> it, this can be very workable.
>>
>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>>
>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
>> isn't grading your test.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
>>> book.
>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>>> first
>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the questions,
>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate confirmed
>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course compass
>>> while using a screen reader?
>>>
>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
>>> components
>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
>>> by
>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing out
>>> on
>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for the
>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have a
>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>>
>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to everything
>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
>>> Thanks
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 23:41:01 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:41:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehashing an old yet interesting topic
In-Reply-To: <92AFE2BAF7FB404D828A1C50F337E724@FATSO>
References: <DDB93EAC5F9F4A2A8B02F5EB9B5D5430@davee984e49f02>
	<92AFE2BAF7FB404D828A1C50F337E724@FATSO>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901121541vceb9effo64994c1d6467b139@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.  I didn't know all this.  I'm gld at least my parents wouldn't
watch such an apalling piece of, forgive e, CRAP like Blindness.
Beth

On 1/12/09, Bruce Sexton <bjsexton at comcast.net> wrote:
> Dear NABS,
>
> In this message Chris Kuell wrote "I'm guessing the audience will largely
> consist of impressionable teenagers who will soak up the inaccurate
> portrayal of blindness and leave it to fester in their subconscious."
>
> I thought that this might also be the case.  However, when we were
> protesting the movie, there were teens who came out from watching the movie
> who were just as disgusted as the rest of society.  They told us that that
> is not how they see blind people whatsoever.  Others who were entering the
> theater said, "oh I wasn't going to watch that any way," or "the movie had
> bad reviews so we were going to watch something better."  It's good to know
> that our "impressionable teens" have some sense, at least at the movie
> theater we protested.
>
> Most of the folks who watched the movie "blindness"  seemed to be 30 and up.
> a large portion of whom disliked the movie.  Some even trickled out early
> they were so appalled.  It's no wonder that the movie lost money.
>
> -B.J.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:22 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Rehashing an old yet interesting topic
>
>
> Please read the article below. I know it's sort of rehashing an old bitter
> topic but I do feel that it is an interesting read all the same.
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 9:22 PM
> Subject: [il-talk] Article about "Blindness"
>
>
>
>
> I just came across this fine piece about the movie "Blindness" in Breath and
> Shadow, an online journal  of writing about disability.
>
> _______
>
> The Indignity of Blindness By Chris Kuell
>
> I had a lively debate with my sixteen-year-old son a few days ago. We were
> discussing the movie Blindness, which opened on October 3, and is based on
> the
> novel written by Portuguese author José Saramago. Like most teenage males,
> my son thought the previews looked great, with glimpses of epidemic, chaos,
> violence and horror. I'm familiar with this type of movie's appeal, as I saw
> I Am Legend and 28 Days with him-both films about the human struggle to
> overcome
> an unknown virus which turns people into raging, zombiesque creatures.
> Saramago's twist is that people become blind and are segregated, which he
> postulates
> will naturally lead to societal devolution.
>
> The story begins with a man waiting at a red light. Suddenly and without
> cause, he goes blind. A good Samaritan helps him home, and he too becomes
> blind.
> The first blind man sees an ophthalmologist, who goes blind, and so on. The
> only person to escape the plight of blindness is the doctor's wife, who
> fakes
> being blind so she can stay with her husband when all blind people are
> rounded up and confined in an abandoned asylum.
>
> I understand the allegorical nature of the book/film--how if you pull out
> one of the supportive beams of a society, it will quickly
> crumble--Basically,
> a variation on William Golding's classic novel, The Lord of the Flies.
>
> Saramago's choice of blindness as his epidemic was in no way random. After
> all, blindness is fairly rare, highly misunderstood, and feared by every
> sighted
> person. It is impossible to imagine what blindness is like, so it is easy to
> believe it's horrible. To envision that without sighted people to help them,
> blind people would quickly devolve into animals who defecate where they
> sleep, steal and rape and lose their humanity. A quote from the book is
> illustrative:
> "It was too funny for words, some of the blind on their knees advancing on
> all fours, their faces practically touching the ground as if they were
> pigs."
>
> Society, full of misconceptions and false impressions of blindness, easily
> swallows this. Short of zombies, nobody could believe such degradation could
> come from anyone else except maybe the mentally retarded or people with
> psychological problems, and of course, nobody would dare portray those
> groups in
> such an ugly light.
>
> So why is it okay to portray blind people this way? The truth is, the
> average blind person can do the average job as well as the average sighted
> person.
> I can sense the disbelief, as most readers have bought into the myths of Mr.
> Magoo and their own subconscious fears--as I once did. That's why
> able-bodied
> blind people have a greater than 70% unemployment rate. That's why blind
> people with masters degrees wind up bagging groceries if they can find a job
> at
> all, because the sighted public just can't believe they can do much more.
> That's why people talk to them as if they are slow, or ask the sighted
> person
> they are with what they want to eat, or ask if they'd like someone to cut up
> their food for them, or if they need help in the bathroom. You can't imagine
> how degrading it is to be pulled by the arm like a child or a dog, or told
> you can't ride the roller coaster because you might get hurt, but a
> 10-year-old
> can ride all she wants.
>
> Of course, no film/novel like this is complete without somebody to save the
> day. Chaos can't win, the human spirit must prevail, and Saramago's savior,
> the only person who can possibly lead the blind animals from the madness is
> of course, the doctor's sighted wife. After she leads her grateful followers
> out into the filth of the city, there comes a cleansing rain, and just as
> suddenly as the blindness came, sight is returned. Hope is renewed.
>
> The truth is, many blind people live alone, or together, without the
> guidance of a sighted savior. They travel independently, to cities and
> places they've
> never been, and do just fine. They cook and clean and work and play and
> love--all without sighted help.
>
> Films like this feed into society's fears and misconceptions, and are highly
> offensive and damaging to blind people. How would the public react if the
> victims
> were women, suddenly struck by breast cancer? Or Caucasians, suddenly having
> their skin darkened, followed by isolation and inevitable social collapse?
> There would be outrage.
>
> Saramago's novel has literary merit, and those who have made it through the
> difficult prose (he doesn't use quotation marks or much punctuation, and one
> sentence I found was 128 words long) might think it brilliant. People prone
> to ignorance aren't very likely to make it through such a difficult read.
> However,
> the film adaptation is being promoted as a horror flick, available to anyone
> with 2 hours and ten bucks to spare. I'm guessing the audience will largely
> consist of impressionable teenagers who will soak up the inaccurate
> portrayal of blindness and leave it to fester in their subconscious. Then
> one day when
> a blind person comes looking for a job, it will surface, and that blind
> person won't stand a chance.
>
> I know-I am that blind person.
>
> Postscript: My son and his friends never went to see Blindness. It was
> pulled from our local movie theatre less than three weeks after its release.
> According
> to my research, the movie has regained only about a third of what it cost to
> make it.
>
> Budget estimate: $25,000,000 (www.imdb.com)
> Worldwide Gross, as of November 7, 2008:
> $8,683,577(www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Chris Kuell is a blind writer and advocate living in Connecticut. He is the
> Editor-in-Chief of Breath and Shadow. A version of this essay appeared
> previously
> in The New Haven Register.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> il-talk mailing list
> il-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/il-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> il-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/il-talk_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjsexton%40comcast.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From blindhistory at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 00:11:50 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:11:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0901121417r6a31c280ye5ae9676f15f0fad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <458727.89504.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<b6b933030901121100s3b73e6eera44324c528065caa@mail.gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0901121417r6a31c280ye5ae9676f15f0fad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901121611j50af4f4aqc52093bf4347a112@mail.gmail.com>

I have never used this software but I had a similar situation with my logic
class. The program was not accessible and my professor described the
diagrams so that I could do the logic problems. I will be working with him
and the company that made the software this summer to make it accessible. If
anyone has any pointers as far as JAWS accessibility please email me off
list. blindhistory at gmail.com In this situation the professor was available
alot during office hours. If it is a smaller class size 30 or so I would use
the office hours or send him/her an email to see what other accomodations
are workable.

On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
> isn't that?
> Beth
>
> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Cindy,
> >
> > I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
> > definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
> > members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
> > address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
> > scripting, etc.)
> >
> > The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
> > private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
> > learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
> > well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
> > screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
> > assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
> > support center) may be more appropriate.
> >
> > Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
> > reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
> > willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
> > then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
> > hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
> > students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
> > underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
> > as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
> > questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
> > it, this can be very workable.
> >
> > Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
> > Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
> > case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
> > care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
> > getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
> > inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
> > to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
> > assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
> > at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
> > programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
> > could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
> > job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
> >
> > This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
> > can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
> > getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
> > test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
> > making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
> > reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
> > diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
> > nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
> > isn't grading your test.
> >
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
> >> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
> book.
> >> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
> >> first
> >> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
> questions,
> >> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
> confirmed
> >> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
> >> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
> compass
> >> while using a screen reader?
> >>
> >> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
> components
> >> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
> >> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
> >> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
> >> by
> >> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
> out
> >> on
> >> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
> the
> >> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have
> a
> >> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
> >>
> >> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
> everything
> >> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
> >> Thanks
> >> Cindy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
> >>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From CDanielsen at nfb.org  Tue Jan 13 01:54:29 2009
From: CDanielsen at nfb.org (Danielsen, Chris)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:54:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC
Message-ID: <auto-000082964541@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Dave,

I received the below inquiry from someone in my 
network on LinkedIn.  Feel free to post it to any appropriate lists.

Thanks,

Chris

Christopher S. Danielsen
Director of Public Relations
National Federation of the Blind



----------
From: Mike Boyles [mailto:mboyle at conv.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:13 PM
To: Danielsen, Chris
Subject: RE: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC
Importance: High

Chris,



Here are the details I have for the position:



This is a permanent role and the target salary is $50-$75k



Software Test Engineer

Washington, DC



Overview:

We have an opening for an experienced Software 
Test Engineer who will be responsible for 
back-end, front-end, regression, integration, 
boundary, load, and system testing of highly 
complex Web-based systems using both exploratory 
testing methods and automated scripts. The 
successful candidate will also be responsible for 
reading requirements and design documents, 
developing test cases and supporting materials, 
executing tests based on these materials, and reporting results.

Responsibilities:
    * Thoroughly tests and regression tests 
software applications under both maintenance and new development projects
    * Writes test plans and scripts for tracking requirements and defects
    * Writes automated testing scripts using WinRunner & QTP
    * Participates in the Internal Change Control 
Board meetings, test strategy sessions, and peer reviews of test cases
    * Works directly with analysts and developers 
to investigate software defects and accurately 
and clearly reports those defects in PVCS Tracker

Qualifications:
    * Bachelor's Degree
    * Six years direct experience with both 
structured and exploratory testing methodologies in a web environment
    * Strong knowledge of SQL and experience with 
relational databases are a must
    * Direct hands-on experience with ad hoc 
query programs, automated testing tools, and reporting software
    * Knowledge of software development processes
    * Proven data analysis, data verification, and problem-solving abilities
    * Proven ability in defect and test reporting
    * Excellent understanding of the organizations goals and objectives
    * Excellent written and oral communication skills
    * Ability to work under tight deadlines
    * Ability to work on multiple projects simultaneously
    * Certificate in Quality Assurance or Software Testing a plus
    * Experience in Quality Assurance 
methodologies and processes (CMMI) a plus



Best Regards,





Michael Boyles

Resource Manager
CONVERGENZ

8260 Greensboro Dr suite 575

Mclean, VA 22102

703-663-2451

LinkedIn Profile: 
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeboyles>http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeboyles

Email: <mailto:mboyles at conv.com>mboyles at conv.com



www.conv.com

Inc. 500

Convergenz, LLC, Once Again Made The Inc. 500!

2007, 2006 & 2005 Ranked in the Top 500 privately held firms in the U.S.

DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is intended solely for 
use of the individual or entity to which it is 
addressed and may contain information that is 
proprietary, privileged and exempt from 
disclosure under applicable law. If the reader is 
not the intended recipient or agent responsible 
for delivering the message to the intended 
recipient, you are hereby notified that any 
dissemination, distribution or copying of this 
communication is strictly prohibited.  If you 
have received this communication in error, please 
notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the 
e-mail message and any physical copies made of the communication. Thank you.











----------
From: messages-noreply at bounce.linkedin.com 
[mailto:messages-noreply at bounce.linkedin.com] On Behalf Of Chris Danielsen
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:04 PM
To: Mike Boyles
Subject: RE: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC




LinkedIn

Chris Danielsen has sent you a message.

Date: 1/12/2009

Subject: RE: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC

Hi Mike,

Can you tell me a little more about what is being 
tested? It might give me a better idea of who 
might be qualified. I understand if this 
information is not available but it would definitely help.

Chris


On 01/12/09 7:41 AM, Mike Boyles wrote:
--------------------
Chris,

I was wondering if you would be able to assist me 
in locating a QA Tester that is visually impaired 
for a role supporting the FCC in DC. This 
position will be very unique and a key role 
within an excellent initiative the FCC is working 
on. Please let me know if you would happen to 
know someone that would be a good fit for this 
type of role and any help will be greatly 
appreciated. If I may be of any service to you, I 
will gladly offer my assistance.

Thank you in advance for your time and I look forward to your response.

Best Regards,
Mike

<http://www.linkedin.com/e/AkomcC2lIa2jAx7dZFomgopXoHT/mbi/935060225_2/>View/reply 
to this message

Don't want to receive e-mail notifications? 
<http://www.linkedin.com/e/AkomcC2lIa2jAx7dZFomgopXoHT/blk/935060225_2/s6hJbOYWrSlI/mdp/>Adjust 
your message settings.

© 2008, LinkedIn Corporation



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 
- Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM



From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Tue Jan 13 01:56:03 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:56:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030901121503q197c9078q97667737411fd677@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJEELKCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

How do you find a good reader/tutor?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] course compass


Hi Beth and all,

That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
as much as possible--so we have some quality control!

Arielle

On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
> isn't that?
> Beth
>
> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Cindy,
>>
>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
>> scripting, etc.)
>>
>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
>> support center) may be more appropriate.
>>
>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
>> it, this can be very workable.
>>
>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>>
>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
>> isn't grading your test.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
>>> book.
>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>>> first
>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
questions,
>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
confirmed
>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
compass
>>> while using a screen reader?
>>>
>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
>>> components
>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
>>> by
>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
out
>>> on
>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
the
>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have
a
>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>>
>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
everything
>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
>>> Thanks
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
m
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
ail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
m
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com



From Maurice.Sloane at humanware.com  Tue Jan 13 02:17:50 2009
From: Maurice.Sloane at humanware.com (Maurice Sloane)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:17:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] BookShare Access on Braille Notes
Message-ID: <auto-000081535491@mailfront1.g2host.com>

As you are all aware from recent posts to the BrailleNote List,
BookShare is migrating their library to a new Web site. As part of the
changes, they are now supporting a more general file encryption format
for their compressed books.



The internal format of the books remain the same. The only difference is
the way they zip the files for download. The new format is .bks2 or
.zip.



The new BookShare site is now launched, but Bookshare's old site will
remain up for some months until manufacturers finalize their transition.
During the transition period Braillenote users with version 7.5 or older
should be able to access their service as usual.  We will provide
additional information later this week.



People may use the new BookShare site from their PC and unpack the files
in the PC.  The unpacked books can then be read in the BrailleNote as
usual.



Support for the new BookShare bks2 or .zip books will be included in the
next KeySoft release. This upgrade is for mPower and PK machines.



Support for the new BookShare unpack will not be provided for the
Classic machines.  As previously advised, KeySoft 7.5 was the last
release for these units. Classic users with version 7.5 will be able to
read any of the new BookShare books. However, the new book un-packing
would need to be done in the PC.



If you are a BrailleNote user and you require assistance to access the
old BookShare site during the transition period, we would ask that you
direct your support requests to support at humanware.com and our US based
technical support team will attend to your query.



We will provide further information on the next KeySoft release in the
coming weeks.





Thank you.





________________



Maurice Sloane

HumanWare NZ



Direct Dial +64 3 940 2223

Mobile: +64 21 528 374

Email: maurice.sloane at humanware.com
<mailto:maurice.sloane at humanware.com>

Website: www.humanware.com
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: winmail2.dat
Type: application/octet-stream
Size: 6741 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/attachments/20090112/1a03358e/attachment.a>

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Tue Jan 13 03:18:14 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:18:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABSLink.org
In-Reply-To: <3D7A32652C9947ED9857411869A2B494@MonkeyPaw>
References: <3D7A32652C9947ED9857411869A2B494@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <000301c9752d$9315d730$b9418590$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

That's so exciting! I'll be sure to check it out. Congratulations on getting
it done - I know a lot of work went into it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 4:49 PM
To: Arizona Students; 'California Students'; Colorado Center; 'Colorado
Students'; Florida Students; 'Illinois Students'; 'Kansas Students';
Kentucky Students; Louisiana Students; Michigan; Minnesota Students;
Missouri; National; Nebraska; New Hampshire Students; New Jersey Students;
'North Carolina Students'; Ohio; Pennsylvania; Presidents; TABS Students;
Tennessee Students; 'Utah Students'; Virginia Students
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABSLink.org


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


CONTACT: 
Terri Rupp, President

National Association of Blind Students (NABS),

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

(707) 567-3019

 <mailto:president at nabslink.org/> president at nabslink.org/

 


Online Portal Opens New Frontiers for Blind Students:


 

Las Vegas, Nevada (January 12, 2009)-The National Association of Blind
Students announced today the first phase launch of its official web site,
NABSLink.org.  The site comes at the commencement of a new campaign to reach
blind and visually impaired students across the country and is a direct
response to the need for centralized information for high school and
post-secondary students.  Terri Rupp, president of NABS, said: "Students
play a crucial role in the movement of the organized blind.  We rely on the
up and coming generation to keep the momentum fresh, and it was time we did
something to gather all the tools for their success in a single convenient
location to keep that momentum strong."

 

The site styles itself after a virtual university.  Among other features,
NABSLink hosts a Career Center and Bluebook to connect students with a
number of informative tools and resources to facilitate their independence
inside and outside of the classroom.  To facilitate communication between
the organization's leadership, membership and the public at large there is
also an official blog and wiki project.  The web development team believes
these individual features will help cultivate a thriving repository of
up-to-date information to aid students at various levels in their
educational and professional development.

 

The NABS Board of Directors is pleased to finally release the first phase of
a project it hopes to continue growing with the contributions and support of
its members and the general public.  Anyone is welcomed to help build upon
this foundation.  Ultimately the site will foster self-sufficiency and
independence and be one more vehicle to expand opportunities for all blind
students pursuing a myriad of professional paths.

 

 # # #

 

About the National Association of Blind Students

The mission of the National Association of Blind Students is to promote
equal access to opportunities for all blind students inside and outside of
the classroom. Through conferences, professional networks, mentoring and
advocacy we are changing what it means to be blind in the 21st century, and
we achieve this by adhering to and supporting the goals of the National
Federation of the Blind.

 

 

About the National Federation of the Blind

 

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the
largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the
United States.   The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy,
education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and
self-confidence.  It is the leading force in the blindness field today and
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.



 

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 13 14:56:33 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 09:56:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC
In-Reply-To: <auto-000082964541@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000082964541@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W344AD2EFECFFAF9127C3B28BD90@phx.gbl>


What is the pcvs tracker program that is mentioned in this job overview? Albert How does the program work?> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:54:29 -0600> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org> From: CDanielsen at nfb.org> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC> > Dave,> > I received the below inquiry from someone in my > network on LinkedIn. Feel free to post it to any appropriate lists.> > Thanks,> > Chris> > Christopher S. Danielsen> Director of Public Relations> National Federation of the Blind> > > > ----------> From: Mike Boyles [mailto:mboyle at conv.com]> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:13 PM> To: Danielsen, Chris> Subject: RE: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC> Importance: High> > Chris,> > > > Here are the details I have for the position:> > > > This is a permanent role and the target salary is $50-$75k> > > > Software Test Engineer> > Washington, DC> > > > Overview:> > We have an opening for an experienced Software > Test Engineer who will be responsible for > back-end, front-end, regression, integration, > boundary, load, and system testing of highly > complex Web-based systems using both exploratory > testing methods and automated scripts. The > successful candidate will also be responsible for > reading requirements and design documents, > developing test cases and supporting materials, > executing tests based on these materials, and reporting results.> > Responsibilities:> * Thoroughly tests and regression tests > software applications under both maintenance and new development projects> * Writes test plans and scripts for tracking requirements and defects> * Writes automated testing scripts using WinRunner & QTP> * Participates in the Internal Change Control > Board meetings, test strategy sessions, and peer reviews of test cases> * Works directly with analysts and developers > to investigate software defects and accurately > and clearly reports those defects in PVCS Tracker> > Qualifications:> * Bachelor's Degree> * Six years direct experience with both > structured and exploratory testing methodologies in a web environment> * Strong knowledge of SQL and experience with > relational databases are a must> * Direct hands-on experience with ad hoc > query programs, automated testing tools, and reporting software> * Knowledge of software development processes> * Proven data analysis, data verification, and problem-solving abilities> * Proven ability in defect and test reporting> * Excellent understanding of the organizations goals and objectives> * Excellent written and oral communication skills> * Ability to work under tight deadlines> * Ability to work on multiple projects simultaneously> * Certificate in Quality Assurance or Software Testing a plus> * Experience in Quality Assurance > methodologies and processes (CMMI) a plus> > > > Best Regards,> > > > > > Michael Boyles> > Resource Manager> CONVERGENZ> > 8260 Greensboro Dr suite 575> > Mclean, VA 22102> > 703-663-2451> > LinkedIn Profile: > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeboyles>http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeboyles> > Email: <mailto:mboyles at conv.com>mboyles at conv.com> > > > www.conv.com> > Inc. 500> > Convergenz, LLC, Once Again Made The Inc. 500!> > 2007, 2006 & 2005 Ranked in the Top 500 privately held firms in the U.S.> > DISCLAIMER: This e-mail is intended solely for > use of the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and may contain information that is > proprietary, privileged and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader is > not the intended recipient or agent responsible > for delivering the message to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please > notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy the > e-mail message and any physical copies made of the communication. Thank you.> > > > > > > > > > > > ----------> From: messages-noreply at bounce.linkedin.com > [mailto:messages-noreply at bounce.linkedin.com] On Behalf Of Chris Danielsen> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 12:04 PM> To: Mike Boyles> Subject: RE: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC> > > > > LinkedIn> > Chris Danielsen has sent you a message.> > Date: 1/12/2009> > Subject: RE: Interesting QA Testing opportunity in DC> > Hi Mike,> > Can you tell me a little more about what is being > tested? It might give me a better idea of who > might be qualified. I understand if this > information is not available but it would definitely help.> > Chris> > > On 01/12/09 7:41 AM, Mike Boyles wrote:> --------------------> Chris,> > I was wondering if you would be able to assist me > in locating a QA Tester that is visually impaired > for a role supporting the FCC in DC. This > position will be very unique and a key role > within an excellent initiative the FCC is working > on. Please let me know if you would happen to > know someone that would be a good fit for this > type of role and any help will be greatly > appreciated. If I may be of any service to you, I > will gladly offer my assistance.> > Thank you in advance for your time and I look forward to your response.> > Best Regards,> Mike> > <http://www.linkedin.com/e/AkomcC2lIa2jAx7dZFomgopXoHT/mbi/935060225_2/>View/reply > to this message> > Don't want to receive e-mail notifications? > <http://www.linkedin.com/e/AkomcC2lIa2jAx7dZFomgopXoHT/blk/935060225_2/s6hJbOYWrSlI/mdp/>Adjust > your message settings.> > © 2008, LinkedIn Corporation> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1888 > - Release Date: 1/12/2009 7:04 AM> > > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_012009

From jj at bestmidi.com  Tue Jan 13 17:43:35 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:43:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pac-Mate BX420 for Sale
Message-ID: <76B59B8B8F2C4B26B76B1DEB30B86DA8@jsquared>

Hello. I have a Pac-Mate BX420 for sale. It is running version 4.1 of the software and comes with a 20-cell braille display, charger, and case. It can be upgraded to an Omni through Freedom Scientific. Asking $1,000 plus shipping.
Please write jj at bestmidi.com if interested.
Thanks.

From Bcheadle at nfb.org  Tue Jan 13 20:11:46 2009
From: Bcheadle at nfb.org (Cheadle, Barbara)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:11:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Call for articles for Future Reflections
Message-ID: <auto-000083116790@mailfront2.g2host.com>


From: Barbara Cheadle, Editor, Future
Re:  Call for Articles for Future Reflections:

In keeping with the 200th birthday of Louis Braille and the NFB's
nationwide Braille literacy campaign, the first issue of 2009 will be a
special issue in celebration of Braille.  I am eager to review original
articles, ideas for articles, leads on writers for articles, and
previously published articles. The deadline for submitting material is
February 16, 2009.

Please send material to me at this e-mail address: bcheadle at nfb.org.
You can call me with questions, tips, or suggestions at the NFB office
number in Baltimore, MD, between 8:00 am and 5:00 pm  (Eastern Standard
Time): (410) 659-9314, ext. 2360.

Thanks!  I'm looking forward to getting lots of good materials and
ideas.

(Mrs.) Barbara Cheadle, Editor
Future Reflections
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
1800 Johnson Street
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
Phone: (410) 659-9314 ext. 2360
Fax: (410) 659-5129
bcheadle at nfb.org
http://www.nfb.org/nopbc 




From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 20:19:09 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:19:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] course compass
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJEELKCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <b6b933030901121503q197c9078q97667737411fd677@mail.gmail.com>
	<FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJEELKCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <423e6e460901131219g120daf6bufe2cb17a94848d1a@mail.gmail.com>

Rachel,

A good way to find a reader ortutor is to ask your professor for the
names of knowledgeable and experienced students in the department. If
they can't think of anyone off hand then they can ask other professors
in their department. Also, most universities have a student job
opportunity service where you can post a job listing with your
specific criteria. Ifthat doesn't work then you can always try
facebook marketplace where you can post an ad for a reader. The only
possible downside to running an ad through marketplace isthat you
might find people who are willing to read for you but who might not be
knowledgeable in the area you need help in. I hope this information
helps.

Best Wishes,
Domonique

On 1/12/09, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
> How do you find a good reader/tutor?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] course compass
>
>
> Hi Beth and all,
>
> That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
> as much as possible--so we have some quality control!
>
> Arielle
>
> On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
>> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
>> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
>> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
>> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
>> isn't that?
>> Beth
>>
>> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Cindy,
>>>
>>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
>>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
>>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
>>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
>>> scripting, etc.)
>>>
>>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
>>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
>>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
>>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
>>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
>>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
>>> support center) may be more appropriate.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
>>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
>>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
>>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
>>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
>>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
>>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
>>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
>>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
>>> it, this can be very workable.
>>>
>>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
>>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
>>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
>>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
>>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
>>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
>>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
>>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
>>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
>>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
>>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
>>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>>>
>>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
>>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
>>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
>>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
>>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
>>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
>>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
>>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
>>> isn't grading your test.
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
>>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
>>>> book.
>>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>>>> first
>>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
> questions,
>>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
> confirmed
>>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
>>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
> compass
>>>> while using a screen reader?
>>>>
>>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
>>>> components
>>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
>>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
>>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
>>>> by
>>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
> out
>>>> on
>>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
> the
>>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have
> a
>>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>>>
>>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
> everything
>>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
> m
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
> ail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
> m
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
> ltants.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com
>


From fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:07:49 2009
From: fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com (Franandah Damstra)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:07:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pac-Mate BX420 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <76B59B8B8F2C4B26B76B1DEB30B86DA8@jsquared>
References: <76B59B8B8F2C4B26B76B1DEB30B86DA8@jsquared>
Message-ID: <a7b0cbec0901131307m3162f4b5s66c23315e663fb19@mail.gmail.com>

Hm..I might have to take up that offer...

On 1/13/09, J.J. Meddaugh <jj at bestmidi.com> wrote:
> Hello. I have a Pac-Mate BX420 for sale. It is running version 4.1 of the
> software and comes with a 20-cell braille display, charger, and case. It can
> be upgraded to an Omni through Freedom Scientific. Asking $1,000 plus
> shipping.
> Please write jj at bestmidi.com if interested.
> Thanks.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fantasyfanatic01%40gmail.com
>


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:41:56 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:41:56 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors
Message-ID: <b6b933030901131341j31f32501qbe8c2db7cb2d9f3c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rachel and all,

I don't have a lot of personal experience with choosing readers and
tutors, but I know that many of you on the list do have experiences
and tips that would be helpful to share with us. My general
experience, though, has been that better-quality tutoring can be found
in mainstream tutoring centers than through the DSS office. DSS can be
skilled at converting materials, but they hire relatively few student
workers compared to places like the university academic support
center, so I'd imagine their hiring practices aren't quite as
selective. So I'd recommend seeking out services like the college
academic support, writing center, etc. to find high-quality
specialized tutoring. If you're interested in tutoring, blindness
really isn't a factor and so we should be able to use mainstream
services for that.

Readers, on the other hand, are definitely a blindness-related service
so you won't find a group of trained readers available on  campus to
choose from. Again, though, using the DSS office introduces another
agent in the process, preventing you from having a direct relationship
with your reader and making it harder to choose, manage, reprimand and
replace your readers on your own. A good strategy for choosing a
high-quality reader, which many students have used, is to interview
several and  pick the one or ones you like the best. It's also a good
idea to have backup readers available. As for finding interested
candidates, if you don't have much reading beyond a single course,
hiring someone in your class may be most appropriate. But if you need
a reader for multiple  courses or someone with particular expertise in
an area, then advertising formally through on-campus fliers, email
announcements, or through professors for a particular course (i.e.
calculus professors to find an algebra reader) may be more effective.

Arielle

On 1/13/09, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
> How do you find a good reader/tutor?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] course compass
>
>
> Hi Beth and all,
>
> That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
> as much as possible--so we have some quality control!
>
> Arielle
>
> On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
>> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
>> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
>> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
>> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
>> isn't that?
>> Beth
>>
>> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Cindy,
>>>
>>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
>>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
>>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
>>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
>>> scripting, etc.)
>>>
>>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
>>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
>>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
>>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
>>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
>>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
>>> support center) may be more appropriate.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
>>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
>>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
>>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
>>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
>>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
>>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
>>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
>>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
>>> it, this can be very workable.
>>>
>>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
>>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
>>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
>>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
>>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
>>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
>>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
>>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
>>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
>>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
>>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
>>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>>>
>>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
>>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
>>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
>>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
>>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
>>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
>>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
>>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
>>> isn't grading your test.
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
>>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
>>>> book.
>>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>>>> first
>>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
> questions,
>>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
> confirmed
>>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
>>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
> compass
>>>> while using a screen reader?
>>>>
>>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
>>>> components
>>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
>>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
>>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
>>>> by
>>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
> out
>>>> on
>>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
> the
>>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have
> a
>>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>>>
>>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
> everything
>>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
> m
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
> ail.com
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
> m
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
> ltants.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 13 22:31:26 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:31:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] application for donated equipment extended
Message-ID: <397196914970434BA06C79EEE438AD6D@davee984e49f02>

> Good afternoon all,
> Here's a great opportunity for people who are in need of technology. 
> Please pass around...
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael May" <MikeMay at SenderoGroup.com>
> To: "GPS-talkusers-freelists.org" <GPS-talkusers at freelists.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:03 PM
> Subject: [gps-talkusers] application for donated equipment extended
>
>
>> We are extending the deadline for House Full of Toys donated equipment 
>> from January 15 to January 31. For some unknown reason, we have received 
>> very few applications this year versus scores in past years. Please put 
>> the word out. Find details and application at 
>> http://www.senderogroup.com/hftform.htm
>>
>> Equipment available for donation from 8 companies include:
>> Talking Thermostat, Victor Reader Stream, iPod Nano, KNFB 
>> Reader,Levelstar Icon, Magic, OpenBook, SenseView, VoiceSense, ClassMate 
>> and all 3 Sendero GPS devices.
>>
>>
> 



From carlos.montas at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 00:18:36 2009
From: carlos.montas at gmail.com (Carlos J montas)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:18:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030901131341j31f32501qbe8c2db7cb2d9f3c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030901131341j31f32501qbe8c2db7cb2d9f3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3E18D4EC9654417A787D77BFD30245E@CarlosPC>

I agree with all of these suggestions.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors


> Hi Rachel and all,
>
> I don't have a lot of personal experience with choosing readers and
> tutors, but I know that many of you on the list do have experiences
> and tips that would be helpful to share with us. My general
> experience, though, has been that better-quality tutoring can be found
> in mainstream tutoring centers than through the DSS office. DSS can be
> skilled at converting materials, but they hire relatively few student
> workers compared to places like the university academic support
> center, so I'd imagine their hiring practices aren't quite as
> selective. So I'd recommend seeking out services like the college
> academic support, writing center, etc. to find high-quality
> specialized tutoring. If you're interested in tutoring, blindness
> really isn't a factor and so we should be able to use mainstream
> services for that.
>
> Readers, on the other hand, are definitely a blindness-related service
> so you won't find a group of trained readers available on  campus to
> choose from. Again, though, using the DSS office introduces another
> agent in the process, preventing you from having a direct relationship
> with your reader and making it harder to choose, manage, reprimand and
> replace your readers on your own. A good strategy for choosing a
> high-quality reader, which many students have used, is to interview
> several and  pick the one or ones you like the best. It's also a good
> idea to have backup readers available. As for finding interested
> candidates, if you don't have much reading beyond a single course,
> hiring someone in your class may be most appropriate. But if you need
> a reader for multiple  courses or someone with particular expertise in
> an area, then advertising formally through on-campus fliers, email
> announcements, or through professors for a particular course (i.e.
> calculus professors to find an algebra reader) may be more effective.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 1/13/09, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
>> How do you find a good reader/tutor?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:04 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] course compass
>>
>>
>> Hi Beth and all,
>>
>> That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
>> as much as possible--so we have some quality control!
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
>>> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
>>> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
>>> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
>>> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
>>> isn't that?
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Cindy,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
>>>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
>>>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
>>>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
>>>> scripting, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
>>>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
>>>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
>>>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
>>>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
>>>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
>>>> support center) may be more appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
>>>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
>>>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
>>>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
>>>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
>>>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
>>>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
>>>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
>>>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
>>>> it, this can be very workable.
>>>>
>>>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
>>>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
>>>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
>>>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
>>>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
>>>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
>>>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
>>>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
>>>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
>>>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
>>>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
>>>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
>>>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
>>>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
>>>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
>>>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
>>>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
>>>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
>>>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
>>>> isn't grading your test.
>>>>
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is 
>>>>> done
>>>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
>>>>> book.
>>>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>>>>> first
>>>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
>> questions,
>>>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
>> confirmed
>>>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, 
>>>>> that
>>>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
>> compass
>>>>> while using a screen reader?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
>>>>> components
>>>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access 
>>>>> to
>>>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems 
>>>>> step
>>>>> by
>>>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
>> out
>>>>> on
>>>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
>> the
>>>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to 
>>>>> have
>> a
>>>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
>> everything
>>>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is 
>>>>> different.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
>> m
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
>> ail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
>> m
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
>> ltants.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlos.montas%40gmail.com
> 



From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 01:01:37 2009
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:01:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors
References: <b6b933030901131341j31f32501qbe8c2db7cb2d9f3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B2617776B1D412C963BC28F40689F2F@Bird>

Arielle, Rachel and all,

If you go to the particular centre of the university that supports the given 
subject, they'll have plenty of tutors. As for readers, I know nothing.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 14:41
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors


> Hi Rachel and all,
>
> I don't have a lot of personal experience with choosing readers and
> tutors, but I know that many of you on the list do have experiences
> and tips that would be helpful to share with us. My general
> experience, though, has been that better-quality tutoring can be found
> in mainstream tutoring centers than through the DSS office. DSS can be
> skilled at converting materials, but they hire relatively few student
> workers compared to places like the university academic support
> center, so I'd imagine their hiring practices aren't quite as
> selective. So I'd recommend seeking out services like the college
> academic support, writing center, etc. to find high-quality
> specialized tutoring. If you're interested in tutoring, blindness
> really isn't a factor and so we should be able to use mainstream
> services for that.
>
> Readers, on the other hand, are definitely a blindness-related service
> so you won't find a group of trained readers available on  campus to
> choose from. Again, though, using the DSS office introduces another
> agent in the process, preventing you from having a direct relationship
> with your reader and making it harder to choose, manage, reprimand and
> replace your readers on your own. A good strategy for choosing a
> high-quality reader, which many students have used, is to interview
> several and  pick the one or ones you like the best. It's also a good
> idea to have backup readers available. As for finding interested
> candidates, if you don't have much reading beyond a single course,
> hiring someone in your class may be most appropriate. But if you need
> a reader for multiple  courses or someone with particular expertise in
> an area, then advertising formally through on-campus fliers, email
> announcements, or through professors for a particular course (i.e.
> calculus professors to find an algebra reader) may be more effective.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 1/13/09, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
>> How do you find a good reader/tutor?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
>> Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:04 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] course compass
>>
>>
>> Hi Beth and all,
>>
>> That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
>> as much as possible--so we have some quality control!
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
>>> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
>>> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
>>> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
>>> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
>>> isn't that?
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Cindy,
>>>>
>>>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
>>>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
>>>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
>>>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
>>>> scripting, etc.)
>>>>
>>>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
>>>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
>>>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
>>>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
>>>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
>>>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
>>>> support center) may be more appropriate.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
>>>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
>>>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
>>>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
>>>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
>>>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
>>>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
>>>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
>>>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
>>>> it, this can be very workable.
>>>>
>>>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
>>>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
>>>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
>>>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
>>>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
>>>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
>>>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
>>>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
>>>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
>>>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
>>>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
>>>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
>>>>
>>>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
>>>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
>>>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
>>>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
>>>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
>>>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
>>>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
>>>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
>>>> isn't grading your test.
>>>>
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is 
>>>>> done
>>>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
>>>>> book.
>>>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
>>>>> first
>>>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
>> questions,
>>>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
>> confirmed
>>>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, 
>>>>> that
>>>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
>> compass
>>>>> while using a screen reader?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
>>>>> components
>>>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of 
>>>>> the
>>>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access 
>>>>> to
>>>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems 
>>>>> step
>>>>> by
>>>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
>> out
>>>>> on
>>>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
>> the
>>>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to 
>>>>> have
>> a
>>>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
>>>>>
>>>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
>> everything
>>>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is 
>>>>> different.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
>> m
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
>> ail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
>> m
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
>> ltants.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com 



From brsmith2424 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 01:09:35 2009
From: brsmith2424 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:09:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Working Closely with Text
Message-ID: <e37a61680901131709h271b15a2o3e329a775be57dad@mail.gmail.com>

My required Academic Writing and Research instructor has asked the
class to read closely rather than widely; in other words, to dig deep
within a text instead of skim-reading or reading many documents.

One way to do this, according to the instructor, is to read the work
several times, and then read again, underlining, marking, and
highlighting important words, phrases, or sentences within the
document. By the time you're done, the printed document should have
many colors and markings through it.

Not only does this style deviate from what I'm used to (working with
and utilizing ten or twenty documents over a small amount of time),
but I'm a bit curious as to your experiences with marking and
underlining through a text. How do you read closely? You could
possibly do this with Braille, but only you could see it and that's
not the current goal of this exercise. Electronic text seems tedious,
but it might be a decent option. My teacher's suggestion was to use a
tape recorder, to read through the text and then speak important
phrases or words into the recorder -- but this seems distracting.

so how do you work closely with a text? When given a document, do you
highlight and mark through it, underlining key words and phrases? Or
do you simply read and hope to retain the information?

- Brice


From freedmas at stolaf.edu  Wed Jan 14 02:43:03 2009
From: freedmas at stolaf.edu (Sydney Walker Freedman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:43:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Working Closely with Text
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680901131709h271b15a2o3e329a775be57dad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e37a61680901131709h271b15a2o3e329a775be57dad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <922c02e40901131843g53ad2f8yf1b1e5066462432f@mail.gmail.com>

I may put markings in a Braille document when using a Braille display,
but generally, I take notes, writing out the important bits (rather
than highlighting &c.) and citing the page number.

Sydney

On 1/13/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
> My required Academic Writing and Research instructor has asked the
> class to read closely rather than widely; in other words, to dig deep
> within a text instead of skim-reading or reading many documents.
>
> One way to do this, according to the instructor, is to read the work
> several times, and then read again, underlining, marking, and
> highlighting important words, phrases, or sentences within the
> document. By the time you're done, the printed document should have
> many colors and markings through it.
>
> Not only does this style deviate from what I'm used to (working with
> and utilizing ten or twenty documents over a small amount of time),
> but I'm a bit curious as to your experiences with marking and
> underlining through a text. How do you read closely? You could
> possibly do this with Braille, but only you could see it and that's
> not the current goal of this exercise. Electronic text seems tedious,
> but it might be a decent option. My teacher's suggestion was to use a
> tape recorder, to read through the text and then speak important
> phrases or words into the recorder -- but this seems distracting.
>
> so how do you work closely with a text? When given a document, do you
> highlight and mark through it, underlining key words and phrases? Or
> do you simply read and hope to retain the information?
>
> - Brice
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freedmas%40stolaf.edu
>


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 03:02:50 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:02:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
Message-ID: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>

Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 03:20:42 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:20:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Working Closely with Text
In-Reply-To: <922c02e40901131843g53ad2f8yf1b1e5066462432f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e37a61680901131709h271b15a2o3e329a775be57dad@mail.gmail.com>
	<922c02e40901131843g53ad2f8yf1b1e5066462432f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2919E0A-8427-4B44-85C4-9550A65A00D8@gmail.com>

I have two programs open: Kurzweil and Microsoft Word. When I find a  
bit that's important, I cite the Kurzweil page number (as that's  
easier to quickly find) and either quote or paraphrase.

Best of luck.

-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 13, 2009, at 9:43 PM, Sydney Walker Freedman wrote:

I may put markings in a Braille document when using a Braille display,
but generally, I take notes, writing out the important bits (rather
than highlighting &c.) and citing the page number.

Sydney

On 1/13/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
> My required Academic Writing and Research instructor has asked the
> class to read closely rather than widely; in other words, to dig deep
> within a text instead of skim-reading or reading many documents.
>
> One way to do this, according to the instructor, is to read the work
> several times, and then read again, underlining, marking, and
> highlighting important words, phrases, or sentences within the
> document. By the time you're done, the printed document should have
> many colors and markings through it.
>
> Not only does this style deviate from what I'm used to (working with
> and utilizing ten or twenty documents over a small amount of time),
> but I'm a bit curious as to your experiences with marking and
> underlining through a text. How do you read closely? You could
> possibly do this with Braille, but only you could see it and that's
> not the current goal of this exercise. Electronic text seems tedious,
> but it might be a decent option. My teacher's suggestion was to use a
> tape recorder, to read through the text and then speak important
> phrases or words into the recorder -- but this seems distracting.
>
> so how do you work closely with a text? When given a document, do you
> highlight and mark through it, underlining key words and phrases? Or
> do you simply read and hope to retain the information?
>
> - Brice
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freedmas%40stolaf.edu
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Jan 14 04:59:04 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:59:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
References: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <000001c97604$d3434e00$79c9ea00$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Joe,
You can always be counted on for good humour and honesty. Keep it up.
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:03 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?

Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From mworkman at ualberta.ca  Wed Jan 14 06:39:27 2009
From: mworkman at ualberta.ca (mworkman at ualberta.ca)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:39:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>

Alright, so I watch American Idol too, though I would never admit that
anywhere other than a public listserve.  I thought you might like to know
this is not the first blind person to make it to Hollywood on the show.  A
few years back, 2005 I think, a blind woman made it to Hollywood as well.
Her audition for the judges was never shown on TV, and I think she said she
only appeared on TV very briefly while in Hollywood.  I'm sure you could
find some info on her if you did some digging.  She did an interview about
her experience on some blindness related podcast.

I don't know why, in the one case, the producers didn't show the audition or
discuss the blindness, and yet in the recent case, they really focused on
it.

As per Joe's request, I won't mention why or why not Scott made the blind
look good, but you can't ignore the way his story was told, at least I
can't.  The stuff about overcoming his handicap and his being an inspiration
just makes me gag.  I can't stand that stuff.  Either you're pethetic and
worthy of pity, or you're a hero and an inspiration to us all.  They are
just two sides of the same coin.

But I don't blame Scott, just the producers.  He was actually quite
impressive, though I was personally more impressed by the fact that he
entered college at 14 than I was by his singing.  It will be interesting,
but more than likely disheartening, to see how they portray him in
Hollywood.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:03 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman%40ualberta.
ca



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Jan 14 07:11:28 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:11:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
References: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
	<LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <000401c97617$52891250$f79b36f0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

I would agree with you Marc (I remembered the c this time). Overcoming a
handicap for American Idol? I don't get that. It's great that he's doing it
but he's not a hero in my books.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of mworkman at ualberta.ca
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?

Alright, so I watch American Idol too, though I would never admit that
anywhere other than a public listserve.  I thought you might like to know
this is not the first blind person to make it to Hollywood on the show.  A
few years back, 2005 I think, a blind woman made it to Hollywood as well.
Her audition for the judges was never shown on TV, and I think she said she
only appeared on TV very briefly while in Hollywood.  I'm sure you could
find some info on her if you did some digging.  She did an interview about
her experience on some blindness related podcast.

I don't know why, in the one case, the producers didn't show the audition or
discuss the blindness, and yet in the recent case, they really focused on
it.

As per Joe's request, I won't mention why or why not Scott made the blind
look good, but you can't ignore the way his story was told, at least I
can't.  The stuff about overcoming his handicap and his being an inspiration
just makes me gag.  I can't stand that stuff.  Either you're pethetic and
worthy of pity, or you're a hero and an inspiration to us all.  They are
just two sides of the same coin.

But I don't blame Scott, just the producers.  He was actually quite
impressive, though I was personally more impressed by the fact that he
entered college at 14 than I was by his singing.  It will be interesting,
but more than likely disheartening, to see how they portray him in
Hollywood.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:03 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman%40ualberta.
ca


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 12:20:07 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 07:20:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <6212475597420779335@unknownmsgid>
References: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
	<LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
	<6212475597420779335@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901140420o5a932e67yba010ffd2bf53baf@mail.gmail.com>

Whoa.  I don't call Scott a hero either.  But I would still not
audition myself because I'm a music major in a college.
Beth

On 1/14/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> I would agree with you Marc (I remembered the c this time). Overcoming a
> handicap for American Idol? I don't get that. It's great that he's doing it
> but he's not a hero in my books.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of mworkman at ualberta.ca
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:39 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
>
> Alright, so I watch American Idol too, though I would never admit that
> anywhere other than a public listserve.  I thought you might like to know
> this is not the first blind person to make it to Hollywood on the show.  A
> few years back, 2005 I think, a blind woman made it to Hollywood as well.
> Her audition for the judges was never shown on TV, and I think she said she
> only appeared on TV very briefly while in Hollywood.  I'm sure you could
> find some info on her if you did some digging.  She did an interview about
> her experience on some blindness related podcast.
>
> I don't know why, in the one case, the producers didn't show the audition or
> discuss the blindness, and yet in the recent case, they really focused on
> it.
>
> As per Joe's request, I won't mention why or why not Scott made the blind
> look good, but you can't ignore the way his story was told, at least I
> can't.  The stuff about overcoming his handicap and his being an inspiration
> just makes me gag.  I can't stand that stuff.  Either you're pethetic and
> worthy of pity, or you're a hero and an inspiration to us all.  They are
> just two sides of the same coin.
>
> But I don't blame Scott, just the producers.  He was actually quite
> impressive, though I was personally more impressed by the fact that he
> entered college at 14 than I was by his singing.  It will be interesting,
> but more than likely disheartening, to see how they portray him in
> Hollywood.
>
> Marc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:03 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
>
>
> Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
> fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
> bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
> why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
> him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
> this Scott character.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
> Barrie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman%40ualberta.
> ca
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
> ronto.ca
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Wed Jan 14 13:37:51 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:37:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
References: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <2369BF8100ED47A289D54F14E8A03DF2@DianePC>

How many of you knew our very own Craig Eckhardt also auditioned for 
American Idol a few years back?
Diane
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


> Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American 
> Idol
> fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
> bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts 
> on
> why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
> him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud 
> of
> this Scott character.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> M.
> Barrie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dianefilipe%40peoplepc.com
> 



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 15:29:35 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:29:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <B1D7BD2D92F0443DB4935C081446544A@MonkeyPaw>

Marc,

I agree the inspirational pitch was a bit much.  Yet, to be fair, they've
broadcasted some inspirational stories of other people who were just as
cheesy.  Take the typical pitch of the single mother with the handful of
children who was on the show to make a name for herself.  It's been a common
enough story, and I'm sitting there wondering, "if life's so tough, your
butt needs to be at home, working and taking care of your kids" not parading
about television for an opportunity that may or may not pan out!"  I'm not
against single mothers competing, but supposedly inspirational stories like
that just don't do it for me.  But, it's television, and even though the
show is still doing great, it is projected to dip a little more in ratings
this year.  Every little public interest piece helps.

I have to say though that when they first began previewing the segment, the
guy sounded so monotone.  Actually, he reminded me a little bit of myself!
Wah, wah.  Anyway, he sang, and although I agree he did not sing the best,
he didn't do anywhere near as bad as his speaking voice led me to believe.
I'm guessing they focused on this blind person because he may very well have
made it past Hollywood week.  Isn't Hollywood week done in advance as well?
I'm an AI junkie, but I'm not up to speed on the behind-the-scenes.

As for me, I'm going to try out next summer...No, not really, but amid the
enormous and tumultuous audience that is my imagination, I dare say I put
Clay Aiken to shame!

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of mworkman at ualberta.ca
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?

Alright, so I watch American Idol too, though I would never admit that
anywhere other than a public listserve.  I thought you might like to know
this is not the first blind person to make it to Hollywood on the show.  A
few years back, 2005 I think, a blind woman made it to Hollywood as well.
Her audition for the judges was never shown on TV, and I think she said she
only appeared on TV very briefly while in Hollywood.  I'm sure you could
find some info on her if you did some digging.  She did an interview about
her experience on some blindness related podcast.

I don't know why, in the one case, the producers didn't show the audition or
discuss the blindness, and yet in the recent case, they really focused on
it.

As per Joe's request, I won't mention why or why not Scott made the blind
look good, but you can't ignore the way his story was told, at least I
can't.  The stuff about overcoming his handicap and his being an inspiration
just makes me gag.  I can't stand that stuff.  Either you're pethetic and
worthy of pity, or you're a hero and an inspiration to us all.  They are
just two sides of the same coin.

But I don't blame Scott, just the producers.  He was actually quite
impressive, though I was personally more impressed by the fact that he
entered college at 14 than I was by his singing.  It will be interesting,
but more than likely disheartening, to see how they portray him in
Hollywood.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:03 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman%40ualberta.
ca


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.com



From wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 14 16:10:41 2009
From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:10:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <2369BF8100ED47A289D54F14E8A03DF2@DianePC>
References: <8E279C93E80645CCA4DC96B7C0A2EA16@MonkeyPaw>
	<2369BF8100ED47A289D54F14E8A03DF2@DianePC>
Message-ID: <BAY118-W11259A2CC01D749C0B339EB2D60@phx.gbl>


I know two blind girls that tried out.  One didn't get through and the other was told they couldn't do the dancing if they made it through...at least that's what they told me.  As far as this Scott, he was guided the entire time (except the short time he was walking on a sidewalk). Walking down a bridge he was using sighted guide.  SO to me it made it seem like he's a hero but someone has to guide him and always be there for him, then when he walked in the room the same guide took his cane.  Like everyone else, I was impressed by the entering college at 14.
Sarah B

> From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; 2391Group at googlegroups.com
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:37:51 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
> 
> How many of you knew our very own Craig Eckhardt also auditioned for 
> American Idol a few years back?
> Diane
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:02 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
> 
> 
> > Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American 
> > Idol
> > fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
> > bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts 
> > on
> > why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
> > him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud 
> > of
> > this Scott character.
> >
> > Joe Orozco
> >
> > "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James 
> > M.
> > Barrie
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> > nabs-l:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dianefilipe%40peoplepc.com
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com

From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 14 17:01:49 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:01:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
Message-ID: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>

Hey there all,
Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has 
suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass them 
on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...


 Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
Subject: [Blindmath] college and math


>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
> brailled text?
>
>
>
> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
> is blind would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Kathy
> 


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:23:47 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:23:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
In-Reply-To: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <20090114202347.GC38101@yumi.bluecherry.net>

It is somewhat difficult to get college level math books in Braille, and 
they're very expensive to produce.  At the Colorado Center for the Blind, I 
learned that there are a growing number of blind people who are learning a 
subset of the typesetting language LaTeX (note the capitalization of all 
but the vowels and that it is pronounced "la-tek").  LaTeX is a great way 
for blind people to do math because it is unambiguous and can be 
represented in basic ASCII text, which JAWS and Window-Eyes can easily 
manage.

Most higher level math people (very likely to include university faculty in 
the math department) can read LaTeX math, and it's highly likely that the 
math textbook is written in it as well.

It's another thing to learn, I regret, but it's a realistic thing for 
collegiate math, and it's dirt cheap--the software to translate the text 
stream of gibberish that is incomprehensible to people who aren't math 
nerds into graphical/symbolic gibberish that is also incomprehensible to 
people who aren't math nerds (*grin*) happens to be free software.

It's cheap for the publishers, too, since like as not the book is already 
in LaTeX format--they just need to get it for you.

It may or may not be practical, but it's an idea.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:01:49AM -0600, Dave Wright wrote:
> Hey there all,
> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has  
> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass 
> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Fraase" 
> <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>
>
>> I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>> brailled text?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Wed Jan 14 20:35:43 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:35:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEMACEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I am impressed by anyone who entered college at fourteen, no matter what
else they do. I also thought it was cool that he does skiing and ballroom
dancing, and he's not that bad of a singer either. I know what you mean
though about the way he or they told his story. Still, I hope he does well,
and we'll just have to see what happens.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of mworkman at ualberta.ca
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Alright, so I watch American Idol too, though I would never admit that
anywhere other than a public listserve.  I thought you might like to know
this is not the first blind person to make it to Hollywood on the show.  A
few years back, 2005 I think, a blind woman made it to Hollywood as well.
Her audition for the judges was never shown on TV, and I think she said she
only appeared on TV very briefly while in Hollywood.  I'm sure you could
find some info on her if you did some digging.  She did an interview about
her experience on some blindness related podcast.

I don't know why, in the one case, the producers didn't show the audition or
discuss the blindness, and yet in the recent case, they really focused on
it.

As per Joe's request, I won't mention why or why not Scott made the blind
look good, but you can't ignore the way his story was told, at least I
can't.  The stuff about overcoming his handicap and his being an inspiration
just makes me gag.  I can't stand that stuff.  Either you're pethetic and
worthy of pity, or you're a hero and an inspiration to us all.  They are
just two sides of the same coin.

But I don't blame Scott, just the producers.  He was actually quite
impressive, though I was personally more impressed by the fact that he
entered college at 14 than I was by his singing.  It will be interesting,
but more than likely disheartening, to see how they portray him in
Hollywood.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:03 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman%40ualberta.
ca


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:38:01 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:38:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Google Alternative
Message-ID: <3E9D1F4A43274AB5A91DA2C702272EA4@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,

When Google came out, I was excited to find a search engine with little
clutter on its pages.  Now, in another strive to save energy through the
elimination of the white background, Google has come out with Blackle, which
further reduces clutter and is heaven for screen readers.  Check it out at:

www.blackle.com/

Google may very well be taking over the world, but as long as they continue
making my life easy, they can invade all they want.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From graduate56 at juno.com  Wed Jan 14 21:13:51 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (melissa Green)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:13:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors
References: <b6b933030901131341j31f32501qbe8c2db7cb2d9f3c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C528200A4DB4F199DE36B192790A534@melissagreen>

I would add that going through your Campus student employment office is also a suggestion.
I agree that you should hire more than just one or two readers.  Remember that those one or two readers are students as well.
If you hire more than one the work is spread evenly and at least one or two of the readers that you have won't become overwelmed, and or feel like they have to help you because you only have them and noone else.

Melissa R. Green
Every answer asks a more beautiful question. --e e cummings


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arielle Silverman 
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:41 PM
  Subject: [nabs-l] Finding Readers and Tutors


  Hi Rachel and all,

  I don't have a lot of personal experience with choosing readers and
  tutors, but I know that many of you on the list do have experiences
  and tips that would be helpful to share with us. My general
  experience, though, has been that better-quality tutoring can be found
  in mainstream tutoring centers than through the DSS office. DSS can be
  skilled at converting materials, but they hire relatively few student
  workers compared to places like the university academic support
  center, so I'd imagine their hiring practices aren't quite as
  selective. So I'd recommend seeking out services like the college
  academic support, writing center, etc. to find high-quality
  specialized tutoring. If you're interested in tutoring, blindness
  really isn't a factor and so we should be able to use mainstream
  services for that.

  Readers, on the other hand, are definitely a blindness-related service
  so you won't find a group of trained readers available on  campus to
  choose from. Again, though, using the DSS office introduces another
  agent in the process, preventing you from having a direct relationship
  with your reader and making it harder to choose, manage, reprimand and
  replace your readers on your own. A good strategy for choosing a
  high-quality reader, which many students have used, is to interview
  several and  pick the one or ones you like the best. It's also a good
  idea to have backup readers available. As for finding interested
  candidates, if you don't have much reading beyond a single course,
  hiring someone in your class may be most appropriate. But if you need
  a reader for multiple  courses or someone with particular expertise in
  an area, then advertising formally through on-campus fliers, email
  announcements, or through professors for a particular course (i.e.
  calculus professors to find an algebra reader) may be more effective.

  Arielle

  On 1/13/09, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
  > How do you find a good reader/tutor?
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
  > Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
  > Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 6:04 PM
  > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] course compass
  >
  >
  > Hi Beth and all,
  >
  > That's why it's so critical for us to pick our own readers and tutors
  > as much as possible--so we have some quality control!
  >
  > Arielle
  >
  > On 1/13/09, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
  >> Cindy, to answer your question, I did Course Compass once, had the
  >> same problem, and hired a prite tutor through the Office for Disabled
  >> Students.  She walked me through the stuff I had to know.  I at first
  >> had a girl who had no idea what to do, then I got bad grades on the
  >> tests, then another lady toom over, and the grades improved.  Sad,
  >> isn't that?
  >> Beth
  >>
  >> On 1/12/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
  >>> Hi Cindy,
  >>>
  >>> I don't know a thing about Course Compass, but your situation
  >>> definitely sounds frustrating and unfortunate. If a lot of NABS
  >>> members are having problems this might be an issue we'll want to
  >>> address as an organization with Course Compass and/or JAWS (for
  >>> scripting, etc.)
  >>>
  >>> The most equitable solution is probably to hire either a reader or a
  >>> private tutor depending on how much help you think you'll need with
  >>> learning the material. If you are understanding the concepts pretty
  >>> well from the lectures a reader to simply tell you what is on the
  >>> screen may be all you need, but if you want to get more conceptual
  >>> assistance a tutor (either paid or volunteer through your academic
  >>> support center) may be more appropriate.
  >>>
  >>> Alternatively, if you're short on funds and it's not easy to secure
  >>> reader money from rehab, you can see if your professor would be
  >>> willing to send you the homework questions in an MS-Word file, and
  >>> then meet with your prof or TA (if there is one) during their office
  >>> hours to go over conceptual issues. Most professors love to work with
  >>> students one-on-one and professor office hours are generally an
  >>> underused resource. You  probably won't be able to use your professor
  >>> as a reader for every assignment, but if the prof can send you the
  >>> questions and then be there to provide instruction should you  need
  >>> it, this can be very workable.
  >>>
  >>> Teaching assistants are another overlooked source of assistance.
  >>> Usually TA's are graduate students in the field they teach (in this
  >>> case, math) who get paid by the department to help students and take
  >>> care of administrative details. They also hold office hours and are
  >>> getting compensated to help students with things, so you won't
  >>> inconvenience your TA unduly if you make an appointment with him/her
  >>> to go over material. TA's may also be willing to convert the homework
  >>> assignments into formats you  can use. When I took advanced statistics
  >>> at the undergrad level, my TA helped me with learning computer
  >>> programs and converting tables from the textbook into a format that I
  >>> could use. Many TA's are happy to help not just because it's their
  >>> job, but because it gives them more experience with teaching.
  >>>
  >>> This isn't directly related to Cindy's question, but sometimes TA's
  >>> can also serve as good readers for exams if you're having trouble
  >>> getting permission to use your own readers. TA's have to be around on
  >>> test day, but often have nothing really to do during the test itself,
  >>> making them available to read. The good thing about using a TA as a
  >>> reader is that the TA is familiar with the material and can describe
  >>> diagrams, charts, etc. accurately. Yet it's often not as
  >>> nerve-wracking as using the professor as a reader especially if the TA
  >>> isn't grading your test.
  >>>
  >>> Arielle
  >>>
  >>> On 1/12/09, Cindy Bennett <passionflower505 at yahoo.com> wrote:
  >>>> This semester, all of the homework for my college algebra class is done
  >>>> online through a website generated by the company that publishes the
  >>>> book.
  >>>> It is called course compass. Today i attempted my first assignment. I
  >>>> first
  >>>> downloaded the necissary software, and i attempted to read the
  > questions,
  >>>> but so far, Jaws version 9 has not read any of it. My room mate
  > confirmed
  >>>> the fact that the questions are vissibly there, but it is, in fact, that
  >>>> jaws is just not reading them. Have any of you worked with course
  > compass
  >>>> while using a screen reader?
  >>>>
  >>>> I would really like to hear what you guys have done when online
  >>>> components
  >>>> did not work. Should i just get another assignment? Something out of the
  >>>> book? One of the purposes of the online homework is to provide access to
  >>>> help. There are links that walk students through difficult problems step
  >>>> by
  >>>> step, and if i don't have access to the site, then i would be missing
  > out
  >>>> on
  >>>> a lot of help. There is a learning center on campus, but sessions for
  > the
  >>>> course that i am in generally meet as a group. Should i request to have
  > a
  >>>> private tutor since i might not have access to all of the online help?
  >>>>
  >>>> It is disapointing to me, because so far, i have had access to
  > everything
  >>>> having to do with the school and even blackboard, but this is different.
  >>>> Thanks
  >>>> Cindy
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>>
  >>>> _______________________________________________
  >>>> nabs-l mailing list
  >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
  >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
  >>>> nabs-l:
  >>>>
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
  > m
  >>>>
  >>>
  >>> _______________________________________________
  >>> nabs-l mailing list
  >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
  >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
  >>> nabs-l:
  >>>
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm
  > ail.com
  >>>
  >>
  >> _______________________________________________
  >> nabs-l mailing list
  >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
  >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
  >> nabs-l:
  >>
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co
  > m
  >>
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > nabs-l mailing list
  > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
  > nabs-l:
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
  > ltants.com
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > nabs-l mailing list
  > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
  > nabs-l:
  > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
  >

  _______________________________________________
  nabs-l mailing list
  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
  http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com
____________________________________________________________
Find the right teaching school to meet your educational needs. Click to learn more. 
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw25lE3Nr8U8IdhneInvMbpwLkJTK58YUr4BsCv3bz02RTEgB/

From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 22:46:46 2009
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:46:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare
Message-ID: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Has anyone seen the new bookshare?  Does anyone know how to get around the
zip files and put books directly onto a note taker?
Thx,
Jordan

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Jan 14 23:13:20 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:13:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
	<20090114202347.GC38101@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <36E66136E8F0474E97BC026BAF0B305E@D3ZCJ891>

If the book is already in La TeX, it can be opened directly in Duxbury and 
translated into Nemeth.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math


It is somewhat difficult to get college level math books in Braille, and
they're very expensive to produce.  At the Colorado Center for the Blind, I
learned that there are a growing number of blind people who are learning a
subset of the typesetting language LaTeX (note the capitalization of all
but the vowels and that it is pronounced "la-tek").  LaTeX is a great way
for blind people to do math because it is unambiguous and can be
represented in basic ASCII text, which JAWS and Window-Eyes can easily
manage.

Most higher level math people (very likely to include university faculty in
the math department) can read LaTeX math, and it's highly likely that the
math textbook is written in it as well.

It's another thing to learn, I regret, but it's a realistic thing for
collegiate math, and it's dirt cheap--the software to translate the text
stream of gibberish that is incomprehensible to people who aren't math
nerds into graphical/symbolic gibberish that is also incomprehensible to
people who aren't math nerds (*grin*) happens to be free software.

It's cheap for the publishers, too, since like as not the book is already
in LaTeX format--they just need to get it for you.

It may or may not be practical, but it's an idea.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:01:49AM -0600, Dave Wright wrote:
> Hey there all,
> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has
> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass
> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Fraase"
> <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>
>
>> I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>> brailled text?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From liamskitten at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 00:51:54 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:51:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901141651s110f96b0gde242e86d2c753ea@mail.gmail.com>

Jordan,

Though I do know how to use and open zip files, I don't know how to
transfer them to a notetaker and unzip from there.  However, I'm
posting the link to the bookshare list serve archive.  The topic of
unzipping directly on a notetaker has been covered quite thoroughly,
although I skipped most of the messages because most of it wasn't
relevant to what I was trying to do.  If you type in zip files in the
search box, you should get a plethora of info.

http://www.freelists.org/archive/bookshare-discuss
Hope this helps.
Courtney

On 1/14/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Has anyone seen the new bookshare?  Does anyone know how to get around the
> zip files and put books directly onto a note taker?
> Thx,
> Jordan
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Jan 15 01:09:39 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:09:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEMACEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLCEJADEAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
	<FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJAEMACEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <000301c976ad$f11d7870$d3586950$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Those are some pretty impressive credentials, whether he's blind or sighted.
Good for him.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Rachel Becker
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?

I am impressed by anyone who entered college at fourteen, no matter what
else they do. I also thought it was cool that he does skiing and ballroom
dancing, and he's not that bad of a singer either. I know what you mean
though about the way he or they told his story. Still, I hope he does well,
and we'll just have to see what happens.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of mworkman at ualberta.ca
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 1:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Alright, so I watch American Idol too, though I would never admit that
anywhere other than a public listserve.  I thought you might like to know
this is not the first blind person to make it to Hollywood on the show.  A
few years back, 2005 I think, a blind woman made it to Hollywood as well.
Her audition for the judges was never shown on TV, and I think she said she
only appeared on TV very briefly while in Hollywood.  I'm sure you could
find some info on her if you did some digging.  She did an interview about
her experience on some blindness related podcast.

I don't know why, in the one case, the producers didn't show the audition or
discuss the blindness, and yet in the recent case, they really focused on
it.

As per Joe's request, I won't mention why or why not Scott made the blind
look good, but you can't ignore the way his story was told, at least I
can't.  The stuff about overcoming his handicap and his being an inspiration
just makes me gag.  I can't stand that stuff.  Either you're pethetic and
worthy of pity, or you're a hero and an inspiration to us all.  They are
just two sides of the same coin.

But I don't blame Scott, just the producers.  He was actually quite
impressive, though I was personally more impressed by the fact that he
entered college at 14 than I was by his singing.  It will be interesting,
but more than likely disheartening, to see how they portray him in
Hollywood.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:03 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] American Idol in the Making?


Check it out?  A blind guy made it to Hollywood?  Yeah, I'm an American Idol
fanatic.  Scary stuff when they saved him for last, but he wasn't all that
bad.  I'd give him a 7 out of 10.  But, please, no twenty thousand posts on
why or why not he made the blind look good.  The guy's got talent and has
him so goalballs for going out there and competing.  I'm personally proud of
this Scott character.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman%40ualberta.
ca


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 01:17:12 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:17:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare
References: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09EF4A9860364A6FB29DF6B368C160AA@Dezman>

Jordan,
I gather you just unzip them just like any other zip file then just copy 
them to a compact flash card or however it is that you copy files to your 
notetaker.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare


> Hi,
> Has anyone seen the new bookshare?  Does anyone know how to get around the
> zip files and put books directly onto a note taker?
> Thx,
> Jordan
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 01:42:51 2009
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:42:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20901141651s110f96b0gde242e86d2c753ea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7949e5e20901141651s110f96b0gde242e86d2c753ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca301f5e0901141742o369bab2ct40ec39e4a0d9c340@mail.gmail.com>

Thx,
This helps mucho.
Jordan

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jordan,
>
> Though I do know how to use and open zip files, I don't know how to
> transfer them to a notetaker and unzip from there.  However, I'm
> posting the link to the bookshare list serve archive.  The topic of
> unzipping directly on a notetaker has been covered quite thoroughly,
> although I skipped most of the messages because most of it wasn't
> relevant to what I was trying to do.  If you type in zip files in the
> search box, you should get a plethora of info.
>
> http://www.freelists.org/archive/bookshare-discuss
> Hope this helps.
> Courtney
>
> On 1/14/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Has anyone seen the new bookshare?  Does anyone know how to get around
> the
> > zip files and put books directly onto a note taker?
> > Thx,
> > Jordan
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail.com
>

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan 15 02:29:43 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:29:43 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare
References: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<09EF4A9860364A6FB29DF6B368C160AA@Dezman>
Message-ID: <071DC3D2C8894CE7810D899DDC8B96CD@D3ZCJ891>

For information about this, particularly the BrailleNote, go look at the 
BrailleNote list archive. Sorry that I don't know the link off the top of my 
head, but googling something like "BrailleNote list" should take you to the 
right place.
    If you own a bn and have room for about ten emails a day in your inbox 
and have a lot of bn related questions, I recommend joining the bn list. It 
actually works better than tech support at times.

HTH,
Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Bookshare


Jordan,
I gather you just unzip them just like any other zip file then just copy
them to a compact flash card or however it is that you copy files to your
notetaker.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare


> Hi,
> Has anyone seen the new bookshare?  Does anyone know how to get around the
> zip files and put books directly onto a note taker?
> Thx,
> Jordan
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
>


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From liamskitten at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 02:42:47 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:42:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <ca301f5e0901141742o369bab2ct40ec39e4a0d9c340@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca301f5e0901141446u2a579438ye451170aaa0af5f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7949e5e20901141651s110f96b0gde242e86d2c753ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<ca301f5e0901141742o369bab2ct40ec39e4a0d9c340@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901141842h79c76b9cp485340e9f5838e73@mail.gmail.com>

Jordan,

I'm glad you found what you were looking for.
Courtney

On 1/14/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thx,
> This helps mucho.
> Jordan
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jordan,
>>
>> Though I do know how to use and open zip files, I don't know how to
>> transfer them to a notetaker and unzip from there.  However, I'm
>> posting the link to the bookshare list serve archive.  The topic of
>> unzipping directly on a notetaker has been covered quite thoroughly,
>> although I skipped most of the messages because most of it wasn't
>> relevant to what I was trying to do.  If you type in zip files in the
>> search box, you should get a plethora of info.
>>
>> http://www.freelists.org/archive/bookshare-discuss
>> Hope this helps.
>> Courtney
>>
>> On 1/14/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> > Has anyone seen the new bookshare?  Does anyone know how to get around
>> the
>> > zip files and put books directly onto a note taker?
>> > Thx,
>> > Jordan
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nabs-l:
>> >
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 03:59:38 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (gmail)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:59:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash>

Greetings everyone on the list,
   I am having some math trouble. I am attending college at the University 
of Colorado at Boulder, and I am taking a math class this semester. I have 
been looking at some nemeth math translation software and have been trying a 
software called Nemetex. Does anyone here use any math translation software 
that works with the BrailleNote? If so, can you please tell me where I can 
get it?
   The Nemetex software is a pretty good software, but I still haven't 
figured out how to use it. Does anyone on this list know how to use it, or 
any other software that may work with the BrailleNote?
   In middle and high school I did all my math on the Perkins Braille Writer 
and my Teacher translated the Braille into print math. Since there is nobody 
to do the translation now, I am looking for some other ways of producing 
work that my teacher can read.
   If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
   Thank you very much.
   Nijat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math


> Hey there all,
> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has 
> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass 
> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>
>
>>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>> brailled text?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com 



From blindhistory at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 04:11:09 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:11:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream bookshare and rfbd
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901142011l2e8c96c7k3083a9b4373ea63@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to download a book from bookshare onto a victor stream?
How about a book from rfbd onto the stream? I just got a stream and am
totally lost on how to download anything.

-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Jan 15 04:38:12 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:38:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
In-Reply-To: <0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash>
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
	<0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash>
Message-ID: <000a01c976cb$14080b80$3c182280$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hey! I'm using nemetex for the first time this year and absolutely love it.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about it. Smile.
I have an ancient Braille Lite, so use the third method outlined in the
online users' manual - I write all text in uncontracted Braille and Nemeth
for all the math. Almost all of the Nemeth symbols you could ever want are
recognized by this software. Take a read through the online manual and many
of your questions will be answered. I use it with Scientific Notebook, I
don't know anything about the other program mentioned for converting the
math to pdf files. Feel free to write off list if you have any other
questions - I'm no expert but I'd love to help in any way I can.
Good luck,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of gmail
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math

Greetings everyone on the list,
   I am having some math trouble. I am attending college at the University 
of Colorado at Boulder, and I am taking a math class this semester. I have 
been looking at some nemeth math translation software and have been trying a

software called Nemetex. Does anyone here use any math translation software 
that works with the BrailleNote? If so, can you please tell me where I can 
get it?
   The Nemetex software is a pretty good software, but I still haven't 
figured out how to use it. Does anyone on this list know how to use it, or 
any other software that may work with the BrailleNote?
   In middle and high school I did all my math on the Perkins Braille Writer

and my Teacher translated the Braille into print math. Since there is nobody

to do the translation now, I am looking for some other ways of producing 
work that my teacher can read.
   If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
   Thank you very much.
   Nijat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math


> Hey there all,
> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has 
> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass 
> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>
>
>>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>> brailled text?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.co
m 


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From liamskitten at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 05:48:29 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:48:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream bookshare and rfbd
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00901142011l2e8c96c7k3083a9b4373ea63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ea6d2ed00901142011l2e8c96c7k3083a9b4373ea63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901142148n42be1785me695d36ae63c3453@mail.gmail.com>

Lora,

As for how to download a book from bookshare on to the stream, though
I don't know myself, the link to the list archives I posted earlier
should help quite a bit.  I knew what the original process for
downloading books on to the stream was, but since the bookshare site
has changed, the process has grown more complicated.  The specifics
are covered in more detail in the list archives; if you just type the
word stream or Victor Stream in to the search box, you should come up
with quite a bit.  I'm not sure exactly whether you can currently
download books from bookshare because of some upgrades Humanware needs
to make to accomodate the new site.  You should find more info here:

http://www.freelists.org/archive/bookshare-discuss


If the archives fail to be of use, I'd recommend sending a message to
support at bookshare.org and asking what the proper procedure would be
for the new site.
Hope this helps.
Courtney


On 1/14/09, Lora and Myrtle <blindhistory at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know how to download a book from bookshare onto a victor stream?
> How about a book from rfbd onto the stream? I just got a stream and am
> totally lost on how to download anything.
>
> --
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan 15 06:37:41 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:37:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
	<0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash>
Message-ID: <CFFC15366AF444F2A80E1A63309EFD0E@D3ZCJ891>

Yes, I know how to use Nemetex. I'm the one who designed it.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math


Greetings everyone on the list,
   I am having some math trouble. I am attending college at the University
of Colorado at Boulder, and I am taking a math class this semester. I have
been looking at some nemeth math translation software and have been trying a
software called Nemetex. Does anyone here use any math translation software
that works with the BrailleNote? If so, can you please tell me where I can
get it?
   The Nemetex software is a pretty good software, but I still haven't
figured out how to use it. Does anyone on this list know how to use it, or
any other software that may work with the BrailleNote?
   In middle and high school I did all my math on the Perkins Braille Writer
and my Teacher translated the Braille into print math. Since there is nobody
to do the translation now, I am looking for some other ways of producing
work that my teacher can read.
   If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
   Thank you very much.
   Nijat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:01 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math


> Hey there all,
> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has
> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass
> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>
>
>>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>> brailled text?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kathy
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From newmanrl at cox.net  Thu Jan 15 10:28:43 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:28:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #141- A New Era Coming
Message-ID: <DA8367AE1FE24BB9A63CD746399B1B1D@D78R0TG1>

NABS member
RE:  A New Era Coming

Anthropologists have studied Mankind's response to disability and TP #141
presents the 4 identified eras which can be said are clear points of change
of how the blind have been treated down through the ages. I also ask, is a
new era coming? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that
I collect responses and post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read
and learn from and that URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info
<http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS
sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-  newmanrl at cox.net 

THOUGHT PROVOKER 141
A New Era Coming

Is there a new era coming in how the blind are treated? Blindness has been
part of the human experience since Man was staring across the veldt for his
next meal and studies of our history show that Man's reaction to blindness
and disability in general has changed as we have. It has been determined
that to date there have been four identifiable eras for how the blind have
been treated. They are: 1. Extermination, 2. Persecution, 3.
Institutionalization, and 4. Normalization.

Each era's description below will provide a brief explanation of Mankind's
status in relation to the world in which we lived and what society's general
response was to blindness then. And yes, keep in mind that some aspects of
each of the earlier eras linger into the next era and to the present day.
After considering my explanations, we will see how you view my thought
provoking question, is a new era coming and, if so, what are the specific
indicators and what do you think this new era should be called?

1.	The Era of Extermination. During Man's earliest times when human
societies were just forming, we were still essentially hunters and
gatherers. Life was tough; we lived from hand to mouth, each day required us
to seek out food and shelter. Our resources were meager, all members of the
group had to work together to insure the survival of the clan. When times
got tough, the general rule was that the weak were exterminated to ensure
the survival of the clan. The harsh measures spared no one. A child that was
born blind was placed out on the hillside to die, exposed to the wild
animals and weather. An adult that was injured or became blind through
accident or aging would be expected to go into the wilderness and unburden
the clan from caring for him or her.

	2.	The Era of Persecution. As Mankind became more
sophisticated, we increased the group's resources to handle our basic needs.
we developed agriculture to assure our food supply. We built structures to
live in and gathered in cities for mutual assistance. We invented armies to
protect us, educational systems to train us, medicine to care for our
health. Life was easier and the blind were no longer seen as a threat to
survival of the group, so they were allowed to live. However, because the
blind were seen as weak, not capable of fully participating in the needs of
the community, whether protecting it with arms, farming, or learning a
skilled trade as a craftsman, the general rule for the blind was that you
were allowed to live, but you had no rights. Many of the blind were
outcasts, relegated to a life of begging on the streets, seen as objects of
pity, sometimes made fun of and at times preyed upon. 

	3.	The Era of Institutionalization. Later yet in time, when the
world became more settled, societies more sophisticated, and resources more
abundant, some of the blind were taken in and cared for by charitable
organizations. These earliest facilities were established in the religious
abbeys of the Middle Ages, being called alms houses or asylums for the
blind. It was in these early establishments that the blind were first
provided training in daily living skills and taught crafts, with their
produce sold to pay their keep. Later, actual schools for the blind were
established. It was in these schools that a few training opportunities for
trades were offered as careers- piano tuning, rug weaving, and chair caning
for the men, sewing, rug weaving, and homemaking for women. 

	4.	The Era of Normalization. This is our present time. This era
began and grew as consumer groups made up of the blind put forth their own
agendas for improving all aspects of life for the blind. Most blind school
children attend class right alongside their sighted peers. Most societies
now sponsor rehabilitation services to assist blind persons from birth to
their senior years, including opportunities during their working years to
enter educational training programs for trades, professional careers,
business, or homemaking. Now the blind are employed in a wide variety of job
positions in all classes of employment. Yet, even with our modern
adaptations and techniques to enable blind children and adults to be equally
competitive with sighted members of our society, the blind as a group still
receive uncomfortable acceptance by the sighted public and a high incidence
of discrimination in employment.

	5.	Is there a new era coming?



Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info


From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 17:31:35 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:31:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] old bookshare site
Message-ID: <B47EAA76D1D04928AB53160E8D723845@Dezman>

Hello,
For those who may be interested, you can access the old bookshare site at:
http://static.legacy.bookshare.org/web/Welcome.html

Dezman

From iwilcox2011 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 17:44:52 2009
From: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com (Isaiah Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Will You Take The Challange?
Message-ID: <c60ed72a0901150944l35889f6dp618bab083d8e69a6@mail.gmail.com>

Good day ladies and gentleman! It is with pleasure that I make this
announcement. As the president of the Georgia Association of Blind Students,
a few of the students in the division came to me and made a great
suggestion; "Mr. President, can we raise money for the March for
Independence?" Even though we are just starting out as an organization, I
could not turn down this wonderful opportunity.  I have challenged them al
to raise at least two hundred and fifty dollars.  However, they all say that
we will exceed that goal.  Currently we have over thirty individuals on my
team that have pledged to raise as much money as they can.

With that said, I challenge all of the student divisions to form a team and
raise money for the March for Independence.  Remember, it is always good to
give back.  SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, GET OUT THERE AND RAISE SOME MONEY!

For more information on how to obtain a team, please contact me by phone or
e-mail. My phone number is 404 291 7791, and my e-mail address is
iwilcox2011 at gmail.com.




-- 
Isaiah Wilcox
830 Westview Dr. SW
Morehouse College Unit #140940
Atlanta Ga, 30314

Cell: (404) 291-7791
E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 19:01:46 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:01:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Will You Take The Challange?
In-Reply-To: <c60ed72a0901150944l35889f6dp618bab083d8e69a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c60ed72a0901150944l35889f6dp618bab083d8e69a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901151101t47cc7873o9d74201eb01d613c@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, what an awesome ides! I'm still not sure how many of you are down here
in Florida. I only got one response when I came looking, but for any
Floridians out there reading, and for our President if you're reading, what
do you say? Can we do it too?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Isaiah Wilcox <iwilcox2011 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Good day ladies and gentleman! It is with pleasure that I make this
> announcement. As the president of the Georgia Association of Blind
> Students,
> a few of the students in the division came to me and made a great
> suggestion; "Mr. President, can we raise money for the March for
> Independence?" Even though we are just starting out as an organization, I
> could not turn down this wonderful opportunity.  I have challenged them al
> to raise at least two hundred and fifty dollars.  However, they all say
> that
> we will exceed that goal.  Currently we have over thirty individuals on my
> team that have pledged to raise as much money as they can.
>
> With that said, I challenge all of the student divisions to form a team and
> raise money for the March for Independence.  Remember, it is always good to
> give back.  SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, GET OUT THERE AND RAISE SOME
> MONEY!
>
> For more information on how to obtain a team, please contact me by phone or
> e-mail. My phone number is 404 291 7791, and my e-mail address is
> iwilcox2011 at gmail.com.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Isaiah Wilcox
> 830 Westview Dr. SW
> Morehouse College Unit #140940
> Atlanta Ga, 30314
>
> Cell: (404) 291-7791
> E-mail: iwilcox2011 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Thu Jan 15 20:06:28 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:06:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] old bookshare site
References: <B47EAA76D1D04928AB53160E8D723845@Dezman>
Message-ID: <D0F36E9DC77E4525AB9FD376C452FF67@D3ZCJ891>

Note, though, that this will not have any of the books that were added since 
the new site was put up and it will not have the newspapers.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] old bookshare site


Hello,
For those who may be interested, you can access the old bookshare site at:
http://static.legacy.bookshare.org/web/Welcome.html

Dezman
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Jan 15 23:47:57 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:47:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02><0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash>
	<CFFC15366AF444F2A80E1A63309EFD0E@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <00f301c9776b$b1c87440$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hi Nicole

Wow!  You designed the software?  You must be a real Math genious!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math


> Yes, I know how to use Nemetex. I'm the one who designed it.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math
>
>
> Greetings everyone on the list,
>   I am having some math trouble. I am attending college at the University
> of Colorado at Boulder, and I am taking a math class this semester. I have
> been looking at some nemeth math translation software and have been trying 
> a
> software called Nemetex. Does anyone here use any math translation 
> software
> that works with the BrailleNote? If so, can you please tell me where I can
> get it?
>   The Nemetex software is a pretty good software, but I still haven't
> figured out how to use it. Does anyone on this list know how to use it, or
> any other software that may work with the BrailleNote?
>   In middle and high school I did all my math on the Perkins Braille 
> Writer
> and my Teacher translated the Braille into print math. Since there is 
> nobody
> to do the translation now, I am looking for some other ways of producing
> work that my teacher can read.
>   If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
>   Thank you very much.
>   Nijat
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
>
>
>> Hey there all,
>> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has
>> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass
>> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> David Wright
>>
>> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>>
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
>> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
>> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>>
>>
>>>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>>> brailled text?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 16 02:56:17 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:56:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02><0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash><CFFC15366AF444F2A80E1A63309EFD0E@D3ZCJ891>
	<00f301c9776b$b1c87440$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <0DAD4742E05D4A49BC9548C3068ADEE8@D3ZCJ891>

Thank you for the comment, and also thank you to Sarah.  However, I am 
slightly hesitant to recommend it for higher level college math because it 
only contains those symbols which I myself have used, which includes some 
calculus symbols. For a full list of supported symbols, see the manual at
www.accessisoft.com

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math


Hi Nicole

Wow!  You designed the software?  You must be a real Math genious!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math


> Yes, I know how to use Nemetex. I'm the one who designed it.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math
>
>
> Greetings everyone on the list,
>   I am having some math trouble. I am attending college at the University
> of Colorado at Boulder, and I am taking a math class this semester. I have
> been looking at some nemeth math translation software and have been trying
> a
> software called Nemetex. Does anyone here use any math translation
> software
> that works with the BrailleNote? If so, can you please tell me where I can
> get it?
>   The Nemetex software is a pretty good software, but I still haven't
> figured out how to use it. Does anyone on this list know how to use it, or
> any other software that may work with the BrailleNote?
>   In middle and high school I did all my math on the Perkins Braille
> Writer
> and my Teacher translated the Braille into print math. Since there is
> nobody
> to do the translation now, I am looking for some other ways of producing
> work that my teacher can read.
>   If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
>   Thank you very much.
>   Nijat
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:01 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
>
>
>> Hey there all,
>> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has
>> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass
>> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> David Wright
>>
>> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>>
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
>> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
>> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>>
>>
>>>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>>> brailled text?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From mary_watkins at wgbh.org  Fri Jan 16 21:10:51 2009
From: mary_watkins at wgbh.org (Mary Watkins)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:10:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] 2009 Inauguration Coverage on PBS to be Described and
 Captioned Live
Message-ID: <auto-000082127926@mailfront1.g2host.com>

January 16, 2009

Press Contact:
Mary Watkins
617 300-3700
<mary_watkins at wgbh.htm>mary_watkins at wgbh.org

Media Access Group at WGBH To Provide Closed 
Captioning And Live Description for PBS's Inaugural Coverage

Described version of coverage will also stream 
live on the Joint Congressional Committee on 
Inaugural Ceremonies (JCCIC) web site, 
<http://www.inaugural.senate.gov/>http://www.inaugural.senate.gov/

Boston, MA ­ The Media Access Group at WGBH, a 
non-profit service of the WGBH Educational 
Foundation in Boston, Massachusetts, will provide 
both closed captioning and live description of 
Barack Obama's presidential inauguration for the 
PBS presentation of Inauguration 2009, a NewsHour 
special hosted by Jim Lehrer. The PBS coverage of 
the inauguration airs live on Tuesday, January 20 
from 11AM to 1:30PM EST. While live captioning is 
an established feature of many television 
broadcasts, live description, the creation at 
time of air of a narration track imparting 
information about visual elements that people who 
are blind or visually impaired would miss, is a 
rare service. Dunkin' Donuts is generously 
sponsoring the description service for this 
broadcast. In 1993, PBS's coverage of the Clinton 
inauguration was the first live television 
program that was made fully accessible to the 
nation's 36 million deaf, hard-of-hearing, blind 
and visually impaired viewers.

While details from the inaugural planning 
committee are still forthcoming, PBS plans to 
include coverage of Barack Obama's arrival at the 
White House, excerpts of the church service and 
Barack Obama's speech to the nation from the Capitol steps.

Hosted by Jim Lehrer of The NewsHour with Jim 
Lehrer, the PBS presentation will feature 
political analysts Mark Shields and David Brooks, 
as well as a panel to provide historical context:

• Ellen Fitzpatrick, presidential historian and 
professor at the University of New Hampshire
• Peniel Joseph, professor of history and 
African-American studies at Brandeis University
• Richard Brookhiser, senior editor at National 
Review and author of a series of biographies of 
America's founders, including Alexander Hamilton and George Washington

"WGBH is proud to take part in making this 
historic event fully accessible to all PBS 
viewers once again," says Media Access Group 
director Larry Goldberg. "And we're extremely 
grateful to PBS, the team at MacNeil/Lehrer 
Productions and to corporate sponsor of the live 
description Dunkin' Donuts for the opportunity to 
bring not only the audio of the inaugural 
coverage to deaf and hard-of-hearing Americans, 
but also the visual highlights of the occasion to 
those who are blind or visually impaired."

Dunkin' Donuts, for many years a corporate 
caption sponsor of local news broadcasts in the 
Boston area, is sponsoring description for the 
first time. Shannon Maxwell, field marketing 
manager for Dunkin' Donuts says, "Dunkin' Donuts 
individual franchise owners are proud to play a 
part of making this major event accessible to 
blind and visually impaired audiences.  We are 
thrilled that our contribution will make the 
images of the day come alive via description."

Closed captions display spoken dialogue as text 
on the television screen.  The live captions will 
be typed by specially trained stenocaptioners ­ 
working from WGBH’s Boston-based headquarters ­ 
and broadcast simultaneously with the live 
program.  The descriptive narration ­ provided by 
an expert team of describers ­ will be audible 
during pauses in program dialogue and will 
identify speakers, describe settings and convey 
other visual information about the event. 
Captions can be accessed on televisions equipped 
with built-in decoders (most televisions are 
equipped), while viewers can hear descriptions by 
switching to the Second Audio Program (SAP) 
channel on their stereo TVs. The described 
coverage will also be streamed live on the Joint 
Congressional Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies 
(JCCIC) web site at 
<http://www.inaugural.senate.gov/>http://www.inaugural.senate.gov/

The Media Access Group at WGBH incorporates The 
Caption Center, the world's first captioning 
agency, founded in 1972; Descriptive Video 
Service® (DVS®), which has made television, film 
and video more accessible to blind and visually 
impaired audiences since 1990; and the Carl and 
Ruth Shapiro Family National Center for 
Accessible Media (NCAM), a research and 
development entity that builds on the success of 
WGBH's access service departments to make 
existing and emerging technologies more 
accessible to these under-served 
audiences.  Members of the Media Access Group's 
collective staff represent the leading resources and experts in their fields.


###







From hfurney at bgsu.edu  Sat Jan 17 03:32:50 2009
From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:32:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Sorority
Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB2243639C10012@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>

I was wondering if anyone on this list is a sorority girl?  Or if you know a blind sorority girl.  You can email me at hfurney at bgsu.edu, thanks.


Hannah Furney
Phi Mu Fraternity

From terri.rupp at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 07:05:01 2009
From: terri.rupp at gmail.com (Terri Rupp)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:05:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Winter Seminar
Message-ID: <a0d584a0901162305v5f9e753agc6f29c000a31387a@mail.gmail.com>

 Valentine's Day is right around the corner so come fall in love with NABS
at our annual Winter Seminar.  Don't miss a jam packed agenda, and heart
throb speakers.  Sunday Feb 8th at the Holiday Inn Capital in Washington
DC.  Registration is $5.00 from 8:00am to 9:00am.  NABS Seminar will run
9:00am to 3:30pm.

NABS Mixer - Monday Feb 9th, 9:00pm to 11:00pm
Come ready to mix, mingle, and mombo!
NABS is hosting an agenda free social.  This is a chance to unwind after a
long day of appointments on the hill.  There will be a cash bar, amature
karaoke, and room to show off your dance moves. Procedes support the
National Association of Blind Students.  $5.00 at the door.  $3.00 if
purchased ahead of time.  See any NABS board member for more details.

From jj at bestmidi.com  Sat Jan 17 15:30:53 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:30:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Bargains Access Awards Voting Round has Begun
Message-ID: <auto-000082186975@mailfront1.g2host.com>

After tabulating dozens of nomination forms, we have reached the 
voting round for the second annual Blind Bargains Access Awards. Vote 
for your choices in each of
the eleven categories to determine the winners. The awards will 
recognize the greatest achievements, companies, websites, and people 
for 2008 and are decided by your votes. The deadline is January 25 at 
5 PM Eastern.
visit
<http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php>http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php
to cast your vote.



From brsmith2424 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 20:27:58 2009
From: brsmith2424 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:27:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Message-ID: <e37a61680901171227u20a4d4a5l7092b0ba1bda651c@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this organization?
Their website lists some very general info on internships, noting that
it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career in
international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm headed
-- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.

- Brice


From liamskitten at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 21:04:44 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:04:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680901171227u20a4d4a5l7092b0ba1bda651c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e37a61680901171227u20a4d4a5l7092b0ba1bda651c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901171304j7d8d2b35t4de6434092f76c07@mail.gmail.com>

Bryce,

I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However, I'd be
interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it here for
others who might also have an interest?
Courtney

On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this organization?
> Their website lists some very general info on internships, noting that
> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career in
> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm headed
> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.
>
> - Brice
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 18 01:35:46 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:35:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
Message-ID: <60C5384692FA4CBB850C7B24C0312CA1@davee984e49f02>

All right you Idol Fanatics...
Here's a link to watch the first episode with Scott Mackintire. For those of you who don't know, he's the blind guy currently on American Idol...


http://www.dailymotion.com/aiclips/video/x80v6e_scott-mcintyre-and-so-it-goes_music



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Jan 18 02:43:02 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:43:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
In-Reply-To: <60C5384692FA4CBB850C7B24C0312CA1@davee984e49f02>
References: <60C5384692FA4CBB850C7B24C0312CA1@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <000101c97916$7bb216c0$73164440$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

I'm converted. This guy is cool. And his singing is impressive. I shouldn't
have doubted him so much.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dave Wright
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol

All right you Idol Fanatics...
Here's a link to watch the first episode with Scott Mackintire. For those of
you who don't know, he's the blind guy currently on American Idol...


http://www.dailymotion.com/aiclips/video/x80v6e_scott-mcintyre-and-so-it-goe
s_music



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 18 02:44:15 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:44:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
Message-ID: <20090118024415.22958.35431@biff.serotek.com>

He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised 
Simon didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the 
explanation of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 02:46:20 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 18:46:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
Message-ID: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I never got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the school books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide of the Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, so I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide on the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be appreciated. Thanks. :)



      

From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 18 03:15:40 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:15:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
References: <20090118024415.22958.35431@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <5DF96E1AAE06479C82692BA3E626BFD3@davee984e49f02>

I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off, 
we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much 
interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models. I know 
right now he might seem like some what of a novelty, but I'm hoping that he 
will earn the reputation he deserves as a result of any existing talent 
rather than because of his blindness. I personally think it would be kind of 
cool to have another blind individual succeed in the music industry.



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


> He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised Simon 
> didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the explanation 
> of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net 



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 03:40:43 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:40:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
References: <60C5384692FA4CBB850C7B24C0312CA1@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <D87E60FCF5FF4755927C11E6E2042E06@Dezman>

Wasn't terribly impressed with the singing. But he has a better speaking 
voice and seems quite intelligent. I'm just curious about what physical 
challenges he had to overcome.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:35 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


> All right you Idol Fanatics...
> Here's a link to watch the first episode with Scott Mackintire. For those 
> of you who don't know, he's the blind guy currently on American Idol...
>
>
> http://www.dailymotion.com/aiclips/video/x80v6e_scott-mcintyre-and-so-it-goes_music
>
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Jan 18 04:14:02 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:14:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
In-Reply-To: <5DF96E1AAE06479C82692BA3E626BFD3@davee984e49f02>
References: <20090118024415.22958.35431@biff.serotek.com>
	<5DF96E1AAE06479C82692BA3E626BFD3@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <000001c97923$32315580$96940080$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

That's very true. I find unfortunately that if I judge anyone at all, I will
be harder on blind individuals than on anyone else because I have some small
insight into their blindness-related issues. I don't know why that is.
Sarah
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dave Wright
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol

I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off, 
we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much 
interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models. I know 
right now he might seem like some what of a novelty, but I'm hoping that he 
will earn the reputation he deserves as a result of any existing talent 
rather than because of his blindness. I personally think it would be kind of

cool to have another blind individual succeed in the music industry.



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


> He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised Simon 
> didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the explanation 
> of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglo
bal.net 


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 18 04:36:43 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:36:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000082215072@mailfront1.g2host.com>

The NLS player isn't available yet.  You should contact your regional 
library to get on their list if you want one.  It is larger then the 
Stream.  The Stream cartridge adapter isn't available yet, but either 
are the books on cartridge, so it doesn't matter yet.

If you want a portable player, the Stream is your choice, if a 
desktop type player, more like the C1, then the NLS machine will be a 
better choice.

Dave

At 08:46 PM 1/17/2009, you wrote:
>Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the 
>circulation of the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one 
>dozen books that I never got around to reading (and probably won't 
>thanks to being back in the school books), I want to turn in my C-1 
>as well. I noticed the User's Guide of the Victor Reader Stream 
>makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, so I'm wondering 
>if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide on the 
>Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be 
>appreciated. Thanks. :)
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 
>1/17/2009 5:50 PM



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 04:39:50 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:39:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
Message-ID: <011820090439.26002.4972B2960002ECF1000065922206424613010D0E9C0497030E@comcast.net>

hello dave,

thanks for sending the link for the show here. unfortunately, i didn't watch american idol for the premire last week but, i know scott. i met him a long time ago in chicago. we were both on a panal speaking about rare retinal degenerative diseases. at that time he was only 14 years old.

since then i have lost touch with him but, now that he's going to american idol in hollywood, california i will definately watch him on it! as to everyone's opinion here about him i do understand it but, please this is a awesome way for scott and i hope that he makes it to the end or close to it!

so, there's my food for thought on this thanks for sending this here to the list and i will talk to you soon!



hugs,
from amy

-------------- Original message -------------- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net> 

> All right you Idol Fanatics... 
> Here's a link to watch the first episode with Scott Mackintire. For those of you 
> who don't know, he's the blind guy currently on American Idol... 
> 
> 
> http://www.dailymotion.com/aiclips/video/x80v6e_scott-mcintyre-and-so-it-goes_mu 
> sic 
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards: 
> David Wright 
> 
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com 
> Mobile: 512-203-2474 
> 
> http://www.knfbreader.com 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nabs-l mailing list 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net 

From blindhistory at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 05:10:55 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:10:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901172110u15798b1ere806f97a30c5b9bb@mail.gmail.com>

My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I never
> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the school
> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide of the
> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, so
> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide on
> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be
> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 18 06:11:55 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:11:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<ea6d2ed00901172110u15798b1ere806f97a30c5b9bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891>

And the victor records. It comes with it's own sd card, so you don't have to 
worry about finding something on which to store your recorded files.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I 
> never
> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the 
> school
> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide of 
> the
> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, 
> so
> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide 
> on
> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be
> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 06:44:21 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:44:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <13950.49351.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I think someone on this list said they were studying to be a TVI. So am I. If it's alright, I would like to converse with that individual in private & share experiences. I also have a few questions for them. If anyone wants me to post the qustions to the list just tell me.



      

From brsmith2424 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 07:55:10 2009
From: brsmith2424 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 02:55:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00901172110u15798b1ere806f97a30c5b9bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<ea6d2ed00901172110u15798b1ere806f97a30c5b9bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e37a61680901172355j6687a847r8386871a3e99e9aa@mail.gmail.com>

The stream is an awesome investment, but my understanding is that the
NLS player would be provided for free to those patrons who ask for or
need it, kind of like the tape recorders or old record players the
library already loans (loaned?)

It's a decent option for those who can't aford or don't want to buy a
stream, and it can play mp3 files. I've looked at the unit.
also, I think there are two different versions, one which is slightly
more advanced than the other. the basic unit will be available to
patrons, while the other, more advanced model which I think has more
playback control and really nice extra options will be available to
patrons who show a need. Of course, I'm pulling all of this out of my
head from a conversation at a tech expo, and it's 3:00 in the morning,
so I'm really straining here to remember details. But I'd keep it in
mind.
On 1/18/09, Lora and Myrtle <blindhistory at gmail.com> wrote:
> My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
> formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
>> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I
>> never
>> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the
>> school
>> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide of
>> the
>> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory,
>> so
>> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide
>> on
>> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be
>> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith2424%40gmail.com
>


From brsmith2424 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 08:00:13 2009
From: brsmith2424 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:00:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20901171304j7d8d2b35t4de6434092f76c07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e37a61680901171227u20a4d4a5l7092b0ba1bda651c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7949e5e20901171304j7d8d2b35t4de6434092f76c07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e37a61680901180000k1194a9f8jfe9ef79b77a4159c@mail.gmail.com>

The website is:
www.miusa.org


On 1/17/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bryce,
>
> I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However, I'd be
> interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it here for
> others who might also have an interest?
> Courtney
>
> On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this
>> organization?
>> Their website lists some very general info on internships, noting that
>> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career in
>> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm headed
>> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.
>>
>> - Brice
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith2424%40gmail.com
>


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 08:02:06 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:02:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <13950.49351.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <13950.49351.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090118080206.GA55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Rob, I'd be interested in seeing your questions.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:44:21PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>I think someone on this list said they were studying to be a TVI. So am I. If it's alright, I would like to converse with that individual in private & share experiences. I also have a few questions for them. If anyone wants me to post the qustions to the list just tell me.


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 08:02:39 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:02:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

How big is the Stream's included card? Hope it's not some pitiful size like 128 MB.

--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:11 PM

And the victor records. It comes with it's own sd card, so you don't
have to 
worry about finding something on which to store your recorded files.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert
<rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I 
> never
> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the 
> school
> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide
of 
> the
> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, 
> so
> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also
trying to decide 
> on
> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would
be
> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com



_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Jan 18 08:07:40 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:07:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680901172355j6687a847r8386871a3e99e9aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<ea6d2ed00901172110u15798b1ere806f97a30c5b9bb@mail.gmail.com>
	<e37a61680901172355j6687a847r8386871a3e99e9aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c97943$d5901890$80b049b0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Night owls unite!
Sorry ... I couldn't resist.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Brice Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:55 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program

The stream is an awesome investment, but my understanding is that the
NLS player would be provided for free to those patrons who ask for or
need it, kind of like the tape recorders or old record players the
library already loans (loaned?)

It's a decent option for those who can't aford or don't want to buy a
stream, and it can play mp3 files. I've looked at the unit.
also, I think there are two different versions, one which is slightly
more advanced than the other. the basic unit will be available to
patrons, while the other, more advanced model which I think has more
playback control and really nice extra options will be available to
patrons who show a need. Of course, I'm pulling all of this out of my
head from a conversation at a tech expo, and it's 3:00 in the morning,
so I'm really straining here to remember details. But I'd keep it in
mind.
On 1/18/09, Lora and Myrtle <blindhistory at gmail.com> wrote:
> My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
> formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert
<rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
>> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I
>> never
>> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the
>> school
>> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide of
>> the
>> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory,
>> so
>> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide
>> on
>> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be
>> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail
.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith2424%40gmail.
com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 08:27:42 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:27:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891>
	<548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090118082742.GB55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Mine did not include one.

An 8 GB card starts at $17 according to dealram.  16 GB starts at $30.  I 
won't promise the Stream will take 16 and 32 GB SDHC cards, but that tells 
you something of the cost.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:02:39AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>How big is the Stream's included card? Hope it's not some pitiful size like 128 MB.
>
>--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:11 PM
>
>And the victor records. It comes with it's own sd card, so you don't
>have to 
>worry about finding something on which to store your recorded files.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>
>
>My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
>formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
>On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert
><rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
>> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I 
>> never
>> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the 
>> school
>> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide
>of 
>> the
>> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, 
>> so
>> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also
>trying to decide 
>> on
>> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would
>be
>> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>      
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 09:01:24 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 01:01:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090118080206.GA55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <167099.60306.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I guess i have one main question. The way it goes currently is one must have a bachelors in a generalist resource room special ed license. Beyond that, they must then attain a masers on their area of choice if they choose to specialize in anything (i.e. teaching us as students with visual challenges). My question to you is this. Since the TVI has a drastic change in their position (i.e. adapting materials, teaching braille, etc). from the general resource room teacher (not to mention working one on one versus having 10 or 15 or more students), do you think the resource room practicum is even NECESSARY? 

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:02 AM

Rob, I'd be interested in seeing your questions.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:44:21PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>I think someone on this list said they were studying to be a TVI. So am I.
If it's alright, I would like to converse with that individual in private
& share experiences. I also have a few questions for them. If anyone wants
me to post the qustions to the list just tell me.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 11:34:31 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:34:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
Message-ID: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Since the iPod Nano has speech capabilities, anyone else think the iPod Nano could benefit from the integration of DAISY 2.02/DAISY/NISO compatibility? I think that Audible, for audio books, is too limiting. You probably would not want to have your text books on the iPod, that's definitely a job for the Stream or Scholar, but even leisure books from the NLS are in the DAISY/NISO format, or titles from BookShare even. What do you think?



      

From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 18 14:53:08 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:53:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891>
	<548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000083906438@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The Stream, by default does not come with a SD card.  Specific 
dealers may add cards to the package, as a marketing tool, but there 
is no default card or size.

Dave

At 02:02 AM 1/18/2009, you wrote:
>How big is the Stream's included card? Hope it's not some pitiful 
>size like 128 MB.
>
>--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:11 PM
>
>And the victor records. It comes with it's own sd card, so you don't
>have to
>worry about finding something on which to store your recorded files.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>
>
>My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
>formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
>On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert
><rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
> > the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I
> > never
> > got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the
> > school
> > books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide
>of
> > the
> > Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory,
> > so
> > I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also
>trying to decide
> > on
> > the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would
>be
> > appreciated. Thanks. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> >
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
>--
>Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1900 - Release Date: 
>1/18/2009 12:11 PM



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 15:07:15 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:07:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891>
	<548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4973459f.0906c00a.23d8.ffff8d3b@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

The Stream doesn't have an included card. The stream can use 16gb High
Capacity SD cards just fine, I own one and use it. 

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 15:10:31 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:10:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
In-Reply-To: <D87E60FCF5FF4755927C11E6E2042E06@Dezman>
References: <60C5384692FA4CBB850C7B24C0312CA1@davee984e49f02>
	<D87E60FCF5FF4755927C11E6E2042E06@Dezman>
Message-ID: <4973465f.0603c00a.7000.63ba@mx.google.com>

I, too, wasn't that impressed with his singing, but he did speak very well.
Thanks, Dave, for posting the link. 

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/lizbot 





From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Sun Jan 18 15:36:24 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:36:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Message-ID: <20090118153551.EHUH14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

I gone on one of their exchanges to a middle eastern country in 
2008.  It was a great experience and it was super fun.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:00:13 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and 
Exchange

>The website is:
>www.miusa.org


>On 1/17/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bryce,

>> I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However, 
I'd be
>> interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it 
here for
>> others who might also have an interest?
>> Courtney

>> On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this
>>> organization?
>>> Their website lists some very general info on internships, 
noting that
>>> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career 
in
>>> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm 
headed
>>> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.

>>> - Brice

>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitt
en%40gmail.com


>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith24
24%40gmail.com


>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 18 15:38:40 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:38:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891><548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20090118082742.GB55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <56E0EA339A154A5BA33014D8C5FBBAAB@D3ZCJ891>

hmm, interesting. I will have to see if DSB purchased mine directly from 
humanware or through another vender  which may have made a difference. How 
long ago did you get yours?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


Mine did not include one.

An 8 GB card starts at $17 according to dealram.  16 GB starts at $30.  I
won't promise the Stream will take 16 and 32 GB SDHC cards, but that tells
you something of the cost.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:02:39AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>How big is the Stream's included card? Hope it's not some pitiful size like 
>128 MB.
>
>--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:11 PM
>
>And the victor records. It comes with it's own sd card, so you don't
>have to
>worry about finding something on which to store your recorded files.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>
>
>My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
>formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
>On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert
><rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
>> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I
>> never
>> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the
>> school
>> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide
>of
>> the
>> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory,
>> so
>> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also
>trying to decide
>> on
>> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would
>be
>> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 18 15:40:46 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 07:40:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
References: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4DB77BC2B5594A54AC491A40DEDF455B@D3ZCJ891>

It's certainly a good idea, but Apple most likely is not going to do it 
unless they can see an increase in profit from it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFB Student List" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:34 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?


Since the iPod Nano has speech capabilities, anyone else think the iPod Nano 
could benefit from the integration of DAISY 2.02/DAISY/NISO compatibility? I 
think that Audible, for audio books, is too limiting. You probably would not 
want to have your text books on the iPod, that's definitely a job for the 
Stream or Scholar, but even leisure books from the NLS are in the DAISY/NISO 
format, or titles from BookShare even. What do you think?




_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From jess28 at samobile.net  Sun Jan 18 16:21:16 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 11:21:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention if there are any students in New York State on
	list
Message-ID: <20090118162116.22957.25654@biff.serotek.com>

Hi everyone and especially any students in New York State,
My name is Jessica Trask. I'm visually impaired. Visual Impairment 
caused by Albinism. I'm wanting to get and the student group active 
again in New York State. I'm a college student studying for my 
Associates Degree in Early Childhood Education through Ashworth College 
in Norcross Georgia it's purely done through distance learning so I'm 
studying at home.
Please contact me of list at the following email address if you are 
interested in being involved in the formation and reactivation of the 
student group in New York state at the following email address 
jess28 at samobile.net
Thanks,

-- 
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 16:32:13 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:32:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Djd Invasion Makes Its Grand return To ACB Radio
	Interactive Tonight
Message-ID: <F0E7729B6EF44DB5A2570047BF4EE4D6@DavidsDataPortal>

Hi To All!
I am excited to announce that after being away for nearly a year, The Djd Invasion will be returning to ACB Radio Interactive today!!!
The show will feature some high energy music both new and old, focusing on rock, pop, and country.
You'll be able to interact during the show by email/msn messenger at
request at acbradio.org
by aol instant messenger at
djdrocks
or when I'm not playing a song, you can feel free to give me a call at
1-516-874-5071
and we can talk on the air live, just watch your language during this show and all ACBRI shows if you plan to call in!
The program will start tonight and every Sunday night at 6 PM eastern, and will go for three hours.
So to listen, save this email, and at 5 PM central (6 PM eastern), you can come and celebrate the return of The Djd Invasion to ACB Radio by visiting
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen.html
This should be a great show, so I hope to see you all there!
Best regards,
David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com

From jdraichle at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 16:34:32 2009
From: jdraichle at gmail.com (Jessica Raichle)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:34:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Sorority
In-Reply-To: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB2243639C10012@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>
References: <AQHJeFRFKG1urSlvyUOYlgroRa2GeQ==>
	<023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB2243639C10012@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>
Message-ID: <24d3e5af0901180834o1ed1b590q64b2d9bb72950031@mail.gmail.com>

Hi:
     I am a member of a sorority and two academic honors fraternities at my
college.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Hannah G Furney <hfurney at bgsu.edu> wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone on this list is a sorority girl?  Or if you know
> a blind sorority girl.  You can email me at hfurney at bgsu.edu, thanks.
>
>
> Hannah Furney
> Phi Mu Fraternity
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jdraichle%40gmail.com
>

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 18 16:36:05 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:36:05 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891><548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20090118082742.GB55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <93D3532BBBA944C79ABF2C7C574BEAC0@D3ZCJ891>

My victor came from blinksoft, a Washington State vendor. The capacity of 
the card, according to the properties page of my laptop, is 1.87 GB.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


Mine did not include one.

An 8 GB card starts at $17 according to dealram.  16 GB starts at $30.  I
won't promise the Stream will take 16 and 32 GB SDHC cards, but that tells
you something of the cost.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:02:39AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>How big is the Stream's included card? Hope it's not some pitiful size like 
>128 MB.
>
>--- On Sat, 1/17/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:11 PM
>
>And the victor records. It comes with it's own sd card, so you don't
>have to
>worry about finding something on which to store your recorded files.
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>
>
>My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
>formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
>On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert
><rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
>> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I
>> never
>> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the
>> school
>> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide
>of
>> the
>> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory,
>> so
>> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also
>trying to decide
>> on
>> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would
>be
>> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 19:45:31 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (gmail)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:45:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<ea6d2ed00901172110u15798b1ere806f97a30c5b9bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E046D0E12D84CA1B082EAE205B993F6@Nijatash>

Hi everyone,
   Does anyone know what is the biggest SD card you can put on the Victor 
Streem? I am using a 16 GB right now, but I have heard that you can put a 32 
GB SD card on it. Is this true?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


> My opinion is that a victor stream is more usefull because it can use more
> formats ie mp3 daisy etc. at least that is my understanding.
>
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Rob Lambert 
> <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>> Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of
>> the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I 
>> never
>> got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in the 
>> school
>> books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's Guide of 
>> the
>> Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge accessory, 
>> so
>> I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also trying to decide 
>> on
>> the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information on this would be
>> appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 20:42:00 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:42:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <167099.60306.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20090118080206.GA55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<167099.60306.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090118204200.GC55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Yes, actually.  Most TVIs fall into the category of itinerant teachers.  
They see students regularly, but not necessarily often.  This, in my 
opinion, can cause people to fail to fully appreciate the needs of their 
students.  The experience of more direct and prolonged exposure is really 
the only way I can think of to help build the perspective sense necessary 
to recognize the needs of a particular student with less data.  Since, by 
definition, an itinerant teacher is has less data to draw from, this is 
critical.

The next issue is that at least some TVI programs appear to be geared 
toward people with teaching experience.  We've got one here in the Pacific 
Northwest that involves eight weeks of on-campus training followed by 
telecourses and dependency on field placements to provide requisite skills.

Having learned teaching methods in my special education program (which does 
not cover blindness in any depth, since that is a completely different 
license), I am concerned that such a program perhaps is less effective for 
those without experience in a classroom.

I'd encourage you to get as wide-ranging an experience as you can while you 
have the chance.  Specializing in blindness is well and good, but don't 
over-specialize.  There are blind people who have every other disability 
you can imagine, after all.

That's my advice as a student near completion of a special education 
program.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 01:01:24AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>I guess i have one main question. The way it goes currently is one must have a bachelors in a generalist resource room special ed license. Beyond that, they must then attain a masers on their area of choice if they choose to specialize in anything (i.e. teaching us as students with visual challenges). My question to you is this. Since the TVI has a drastic change in their position (i.e. adapting materials, teaching braille, etc). from the general resource room teacher (not to mention working one on one versus having 10 or 15 or more students), do you think the resource room practicum is even NECESSARY? 
>
>--- On Sun, 1/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:02 AM
>
>Rob, I'd be interested in seeing your questions.
>
>On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:44:21PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>>I think someone on this list said they were studying to be a TVI. So am I.
>If it's alright, I would like to converse with that individual in private
>& share experiences. I also have a few questions for them. If anyone wants
>me to post the qustions to the list just tell me.


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 20:43:03 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:43:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <56E0EA339A154A5BA33014D8C5FBBAAB@D3ZCJ891>
References: <20090118082742.GB55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<56E0EA339A154A5BA33014D8C5FBBAAB@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <20090118204303.GD55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Three months after the things were released.  I don't regret it either, the 
thing has been useful.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 07:38:40AM -0800, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>hmm, interesting. I will have to see if DSB purchased mine directly from 
>humanware or through another vender  which may have made a difference. How 
>long ago did you get yours?


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 20:44:50 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:44:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <4973459f.0906c00a.23d8.ffff8d3b@mx.google.com>
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891>
	<548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4973459f.0906c00a.23d8.ffff8d3b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090118204450.GE55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>

It should take a 32 GB card as well, but they're so much more expensive 
than 16 GB cards that I'm not likely to buy one real soon.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:07:15AM -0500, Liz Bottner wrote:
>Hi, 
>
>The Stream doesn't have an included card. The stream can use 16gb High
>Capacity SD cards just fine, I own one and use it. 
>
>Take care, 
>
>Liz 


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 20:48:20 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 12:48:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
In-Reply-To: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090118204820.GF55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The iPod nano lacks the control interface to make that really worthwhile, 
in my opinion.  The Stream is the device for that function.  As for NLS 
titles, there's no way Apple will be allowed to have iTunes support them.  
No computer will play them back because of the DRM--that's the NLS policy 
on the matter.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 03:34:31AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>Since the iPod Nano has speech capabilities, anyone else think the iPod Nano could benefit from the integration of DAISY 2.02/DAISY/NISO compatibility? I think that Audible, for audio books, is too limiting. You probably would not want to have your text books on the iPod, that's definitely a job for the Stream or Scholar, but even leisure books from the NLS are in the DAISY/NISO format, or titles from BookShare even. What do you think?


From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 20:58:59 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:58:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
References: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<4DB77BC2B5594A54AC491A40DEDF455B@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <4CEB2A36D0244EAFAE8C647DEDA9C579@Dezman>

Yeah, because as far as I know, most of the population who use the iPod 
wouldn't have access to content produced in daisy.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?


> It's certainly a good idea, but Apple most likely is not going to do it
> unless they can see an increase in profit from it.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFB Student List" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:34 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
>
>
> Since the iPod Nano has speech capabilities, anyone else think the iPod 
> Nano
> could benefit from the integration of DAISY 2.02/DAISY/NISO compatibility? 
> I
> think that Audible, for audio books, is too limiting. You probably would 
> not
> want to have your text books on the iPod, that's definitely a job for the
> Stream or Scholar, but even leisure books from the NLS are in the 
> DAISY/NISO
> format, or titles from BookShare even. What do you think?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 21:41:20 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:41:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090118204200.GC55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <697068.81766.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Joseph. :) You're right about that last point, btw, about how many people who have blindness also have other conditions. 

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:42 PM

Yes, actually.  Most TVIs fall into the category of itinerant teachers.  They
see students regularly, but not necessarily often.  This, in my opinion, can
cause people to fail to fully appreciate the needs of their students.  The
experience of more direct and prolonged exposure is really the only way I can
think of to help build the perspective sense necessary to recognize the needs of
a particular student with less data.  Since, by definition, an itinerant teacher
is has less data to draw from, this is critical.

The next issue is that at least some TVI programs appear to be geared toward
people with teaching experience.  We've got one here in the Pacific
Northwest that involves eight weeks of on-campus training followed by
telecourses and dependency on field placements to provide requisite skills.

Having learned teaching methods in my special education program (which does not
cover blindness in any depth, since that is a completely different license), I
am concerned that such a program perhaps is less effective for those without
experience in a classroom.

I'd encourage you to get as wide-ranging an experience as you can while you
have the chance.  Specializing in blindness is well and good, but don't
over-specialize.  There are blind people who have every other disability you can
imagine, after all.

That's my advice as a student near completion of a special education
program.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 01:01:24AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
> I guess i have one main question. The way it goes currently is one must
have a bachelors in a generalist resource room special ed license. Beyond that,
they must then attain a masers on their area of choice if they choose to
specialize in anything (i.e. teaching us as students with visual challenges). My
question to you is this. Since the TVI has a drastic change in their position
(i.e. adapting materials, teaching braille, etc). from the general resource room
teacher (not to mention working one on one versus having 10 or 15 or more
students), do you think the resource room practicum is even NECESSARY? 
> --- On Sun, 1/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
wrote:
> From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 12:02 AM
> 
> Rob, I'd be interested in seeing your questions.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:44:21PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>> I think someone on this list said they were studying to be a TVI. So
am I.
> If it's alright, I would like to converse with that individual in
private
> & share experiences. I also have a few questions for them. If anyone
wants
> me to post the qustions to the list just tell me.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Sun Jan 18 22:04:17 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:04:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
In-Reply-To: <000001c97923$32315580$96940080$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEMOCEAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I know what you mean. When I hear a story about someone with cancer or some
other illness or disability, or challenge, or just someone who did something
that someone in the media thinks is extraordinary, I usually think that it's
great and am really happy for that person, but it gets irritating sometimes
when it's about a blind person.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:14 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


That's very true. I find unfortunately that if I judge anyone at all, I will
be harder on blind individuals than on anyone else because I have some small
insight into their blindness-related issues. I don't know why that is.
Sarah
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Dave Wright
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol

I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off,
we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much
interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models. I know
right now he might seem like some what of a novelty, but I'm hoping that he
will earn the reputation he deserves as a result of any existing talent
rather than because of his blindness. I personally think it would be kind of

cool to have another blind individual succeed in the music industry.



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


> He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised Simon
> didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the explanation
> of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.
>
> --
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglo
bal.net


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu
ltants.com



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 22:17:50 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 14:17:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <697068.81766.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20090118204200.GC55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<697068.81766.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090118221749.GC57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I've found it to be as many as half, but I have no statistics.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 01:41:20PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>Thanks, Joseph. :) You're right about that last point, btw, about how many people who have blindness also have other conditions. 


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Jan 18 22:19:08 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:19:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
In-Reply-To: <20090118153551.EHUH14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090118153551.EHUH14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <000301c979ba$c8cfcf70$5a6f6e50$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

What country? How was it? I always love travelling.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of hannah
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:36 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange

I gone on one of their exchanges to a middle eastern country in 
2008.  It was a great experience and it was super fun.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:00:13 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and 
Exchange

>The website is:
>www.miusa.org


>On 1/17/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Bryce,

>> I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However, 
I'd be
>> interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it 
here for
>> others who might also have an interest?
>> Courtney

>> On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this
>>> organization?
>>> Their website lists some very general info on internships, 
noting that
>>> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career 
in
>>> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm 
headed
>>> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.

>>> - Brice

>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitt
en%40gmail.com


>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account 
info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith24
24%40gmail.com


>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 18 22:31:56 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:31:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
Message-ID: <20090118223156.8029.76497@biff.serotek.com>

Amen. You know, his voice reminds me of the Wall Flowers a little bit. 
I like it.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 23:13:11 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:13:11 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
In-Reply-To: <0DAD4742E05D4A49BC9548C3068ADEE8@D3ZCJ891>
References: <C1B15EDD77AA40328A96422DB65D3701@davee984e49f02>
	<0A428AF5681040988B8DD23E9D224356@Nijatash>
	<CFFC15366AF444F2A80E1A63309EFD0E@D3ZCJ891>
	<00f301c9776b$b1c87440$0201a8c0@Serene>
	<0DAD4742E05D4A49BC9548C3068ADEE8@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901181513x2d7425bcmc40d13ebad812aca@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is a very interesting and important discussion, and indeed there
are an increasing variety of methods available to blind students in
higher-level math courses. Since I have not taken any hard math
courses after high school calculus (for which I used a Braille
textbook and a Braille Lite), I am not very knowledgeable about the
high-tech solutions that are out now to convert math symbols into
readable text. However, I have taken several statistics courses (which
require use of formulas and symbols, though stats is not quite as
math-intensive as other mathematics) and there are some low-tech
solutions I've developed/used. These solutions are imperfect and
certainly won't work for everyone, but they are worth considering at
least in the short term:

Many people are worried about using an audio text or readers to learn
math concepts and complete assignments. It's true that many of us
(including myself) have a hard time processing a math problem without
having a Braille copy in front of us, but that doesn't mean that audio
texts and readers are completely un-useful. In fact, since my stats
text wasn't available in Braille, I have done a lot of stats work
using a textbook on audiotape (and this was the old analog cassette
where it took forever to find the right page, not the fancy CD's we
have today!) The trick is to use either a Braille notetaker like a
Braille Note or a Perkins Brailler to take detailed notes on what you
are hearing. Of course audio quality will vary, but in my experience
RFBD books do a pretty decent job of verbalizing formulas and
equations in a way that makes sense in words. As soon as I hear the
formula/equation, I'll write it down in Braille either in Nemeth code
or in words (i.e. square root of the sum of the X's squared over n-1).
You can write Nemeth code on the Braille Note just for your own
reference, even if it doesn't print out exactly right. The key is that
you've converted the audio from your recorded text, reader or class
lecture into a Braille format that you can utilize for your own
learning and later application.

Once you've learned the formulas, the next challenge is to complete
the homework assignment. I've sometimes done math assignments on the
Braille Note using a Computer Braille file. Most of the symbols from
Nemeth, I believe, are the same as in computer Braille. For the few
symbols that differ, if I'm not sure how to write them in computer
Braille so they print out correctly, I might make up a symbol (i.e.
"sqrt" equals "square root") and put a little note at the top of the
assignment explaining what "sqrt" means. I've been using this
technique for years and never once has it caused any problems. Ditto
for Greek letters; just write out "sigma", "beta", etc. Of course if
you can figure out how to write the actual symbol, that's great, but
this is an acceptable alternative.

If you have a PC with speech software but not a Braille Note, you can
also write your math assignments on the computer. If you  have trouble
solving a math problem without having it in front of you, use a
Brailler or other Braille writing device to copy the problem that JAWS
reads to you, and then solve it and write your solution in MS-Word.

Finally, don't forget that the professor and teaching assistants can
be valuable sources of conceptual reinforcement and clarification.
I'll sometimes ask my stats TA's to explain a formula in words if I'm
unsure about the correct order of operations, etc. Re-explaining a
formula in words takes just a couple of minutes and once it's been
explained once, I can write it down in my Braille Note either in words
or in Nemeth and reference it later when I need it.

I haven't used readers much for stats, but I know that others have had
success using math readers. Coupling a reader with a method for taking
Braille notes for yourself will ensure that you have the material in a
format you can easily access later.

Cheers and happy calculating!
Arielle


On 1/16/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the comment, and also thank you to Sarah.  However, I am
> slightly hesitant to recommend it for higher level college math because it
> only contains those symbols which I myself have used, which includes some
> calculus symbols. For a full list of supported symbols, see the manual at
> www.accessisoft.com
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 3:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math
>
>
> Hi Nicole
>
> Wow!  You designed the software?  You must be a real Math genious!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 1:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math
>
>
>> Yes, I know how to use Nemetex. I'm the one who designed it.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "gmail" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college and math
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone on the list,
>>   I am having some math trouble. I am attending college at the University
>> of Colorado at Boulder, and I am taking a math class this semester. I have
>> been looking at some nemeth math translation software and have been trying
>> a
>> software called Nemetex. Does anyone here use any math translation
>> software
>> that works with the BrailleNote? If so, can you please tell me where I can
>> get it?
>>   The Nemetex software is a pretty good software, but I still haven't
>> figured out how to use it. Does anyone on this list know how to use it, or
>> any other software that may work with the BrailleNote?
>>   In middle and high school I did all my math on the Perkins Braille
>> Writer
>> and my Teacher translated the Braille into print math. Since there is
>> nobody
>> to do the translation now, I am looking for some other ways of producing
>> work that my teacher can read.
>>   If you have any suggestions, please let me know.
>>   Thank you very much.
>>   Nijat
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:01 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] college and math
>>
>>
>>> Hey there all,
>>> Here's a message passed on from the BlindMath list... If anyone has
>>> suggestions for this HighSchool teacher, please don't hesitate to pass
>>> them on... I think this is a great recruiting opportunity...
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards:
>>> David Wright
>>>
>>> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>>> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>>>
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Kathy Fraase" <kathy_fraase at bismarckschools.org>
>>> To: <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 10:24 AM
>>> Subject: [Blindmath] college and math
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have a student who is blind that is going to college next year.  She
>>>> is trying to decide between a public or private college.   We are trying
>>>> to figure out how to get a math book in Braille for college.  Where does
>>>> one look to see what is available and where would one find a braillist
>>>> to get one brailled quickly?  Have people taken a math class without a
>>>> brailled text?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is an above average student who has done very well in high school.
>>>> She is good with technology and uses a laptop and braillenote very well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any thoughts or suggestions on this topic or college for a student who
>>>> is blind would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kathy
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 18 23:41:31 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:41:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <20090118234131.8232.16102@biff.serotek.com>

Hi there.

I'm studying to be a cane travel instructor. Right now, I'm working on 
a Bachelor's in Blindness and Society with Emphasis in Communication 
and Pedagogy. We should definitely get together and chat. My e-mail 
address is loneblindjedi at samobile.net. Cheers.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 18 23:47:46 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:47:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <20090118234746.8232.77212@biff.serotek.com>

Hmmm. I'd recommend at least a Bachelor's in Special Ed at the very 
least. If you can shake it, I'd also recommend getting a Master's in 
Special Ed. Afterward, I'd highly recommend getting your TVI training 
at Louisiana Tech through their TBS/O&M program. The generalized 
Special Ed programs are always a good idea because some of your 
students will have multiple disabilities, and you'll want to know the 
current philosophies on disability that your colleagues will operate 
under. That way, you'll have an idea of what to expect in your 
colleagues for good or ill. You'll also know what laws affect your 
practice, especially in the way of writing IEPs and the like.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 18 23:53:12 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:53:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
Message-ID: <20090118235312.8029.58268@biff.serotek.com>

Nicole,

I noticed that you're from Washington. E-mail me (Jedi) at 
loneblindjedi at samobile.net. We have a student division in Washington 
State and would love to have you. E-mail me for more details.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 19 00:05:50 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:05:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
References: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20090118204820.GF55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <F3CB6396C3724EA49ACECE6749D0FF2C@D3ZCJ891>

Is there anything that the IPod can do, besides maybe shuffle and random, 
that the stream cannot? Besides, you cannot record with an IPod. Also, I 
don't remember the capacity of the IPod, but the stream is almost unlimited 
for space, as long as you get a big enough card. With the IPod, what you get 
is what you're stuck with for space.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?


The iPod nano lacks the control interface to make that really worthwhile,
in my opinion.  The Stream is the device for that function.  As for NLS
titles, there's no way Apple will be allowed to have iTunes support them.
No computer will play them back because of the DRM--that's the NLS policy
on the matter.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 03:34:31AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>Since the iPod Nano has speech capabilities, anyone else think the iPod 
>Nano could benefit from the integration of DAISY 2.02/DAISY/NISO 
>compatibility? I think that Audible, for audio books, is too limiting. You 
>probably would not want to have your text books on the iPod, that's 
>definitely a job for the Stream or Scholar, but even leisure books from the 
>NLS are in the DAISY/NISO format, or titles from BookShare even. What do 
>you think?

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Mon Jan 19 00:46:40 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:46:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Message-ID: <20090119004604.TYDD13880.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

I went to a small country off the eastcost gulf of Saudi Arabia 
called Bahrain.  It was a great experience and very enjoyable.  
Everyone there spoke English and Arabic and they were all very 
kind.  Almost all the people there wore some kind of scent and 
women were covered from head to foot most of the time, but not 
all.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:19:08 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and 
Exchange

>What country? How was it? I always love travelling.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of hannah
>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:36 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and 
Exchange

>I gone on one of their exchanges to a middle eastern country in
>2008.  It was a great experience and it was super fun.

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:00:13 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and
>Exchange

>>The website is:
>>www.miusa.org


>>On 1/17/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Bryce,

>>> I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However,
>I'd be
>>> interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it
>here for
>>> others who might also have an interest?
>>> Courtney

>>> On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this
>>>> organization?
>>>> Their website lists some very general info on internships,
>noting that
>>>> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career
>in
>>>> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm
>headed
>>>> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.

>>>> - Brice

>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>info for
>>>> nabs-l:

>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitt
>en%40gmail.com


>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>info for
>>> nabs-l:

>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith24
>24%40gmail.com


>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>for nabs-l:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
>cious%40suddenlink.net

>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jev
nikar%40uto
>ronto.ca


>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net


From iamantonio at cox.net  Mon Jan 19 01:58:52 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:58:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <B8362DB40FCF49FA914AE9AAABFB5D68@D3ZCJ891><548316.64781.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com><4973459f.0906c00a.23d8.ffff8d3b@mx.google.com>
	<20090118204450.GE55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <002301c979d9$7a9aa8b0$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>

Joseph,

you mentioned the price on a 32 gb card, and I am wondering the folliwing:

Is the cost of a 32 gb card comparable, or much more than that of two 16 gb 
ones?

Antonio Guimaraes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


> It should take a 32 GB card as well, but they're so much more expensive 
> than 16 GB cards that I'm not likely to buy one real soon.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:07:15AM -0500, Liz Bottner wrote:
>>Hi,
>>The Stream doesn't have an included card. The stream can use 16gb High
>>Capacity SD cards just fine, I own one and use it.
>>Take care,
>>Liz
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net 



From iamantonio at cox.net  Mon Jan 19 02:26:16 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:26:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
References: <20090118024415.22958.35431@biff.serotek.com>
	<5DF96E1AAE06479C82692BA3E626BFD3@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <001901c979dd$4e622d00$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>

Hi David,

You said

"I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off,
we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much
interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models."

I will not judge this Idol contestant based on how much role model 
experience he's had. If he sings well, and is personable, and 
entertainment-worthy, he deserves all the success. If his voice isn't very 
strong, and is below the grade of his other idol peers, then he might be 
voted off. That is unless the blind community bands together in a national 
campaign to keep him on for as long as possible.

He'll need more than a sad story to convince the voting public he deserves 
their vote. And if and when he goes off the show, I hope he does so with 
grace, and sportsmenship.

Antonio Guimaraes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


>I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off, 
>we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much 
>interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models. I know 
>right now he might seem like some what of a novelty, but I'm hoping that he 
>will earn the reputation he deserves as a result of any existing talent 
>rather than because of his blindness. I personally think it would be kind 
>of cool to have another blind individual succeed in the music industry.
>
>
>
> Best Regards:
> David Wright
>
> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
>
>
>> He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised Simon 
>> didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the explanation 
>> of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.
>>
>> -- 
>> REspectfully,
>> Jedi
>>
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net
> 



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Jan 19 02:28:23 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:28:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
In-Reply-To: <20090119004604.TYDD13880.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090119004604.TYDD13880.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <000001c979dd$9a8a2d90$cf9e88b0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Sounds fantastic! I've never been to that part of the world unfortunately
but I have heard of Bahrain. Thank you for telling us about it.
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of hannah
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:47 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange

I went to a small country off the eastcost gulf of Saudi Arabia 
called Bahrain.  It was a great experience and very enjoyable.  
Everyone there spoke English and Arabic and they were all very 
kind.  Almost all the people there wore some kind of scent and 
women were covered from head to foot most of the time, but not 
all.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:19:08 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and 
Exchange

>What country? How was it? I always love travelling.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of hannah
>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:36 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and 
Exchange

>I gone on one of their exchanges to a middle eastern country in
>2008.  It was a great experience and it was super fun.

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:00:13 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and
>Exchange

>>The website is:
>>www.miusa.org


>>On 1/17/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Bryce,

>>> I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However,
>I'd be
>>> interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it
>here for
>>> others who might also have an interest?
>>> Courtney

>>> On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this
>>>> organization?
>>>> Their website lists some very general info on internships,
>noting that
>>>> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career
>in
>>>> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm
>headed
>>>> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.

>>>> - Brice

>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>info for
>>>> nabs-l:

>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitt
>en%40gmail.com


>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>info for
>>> nabs-l:

>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith24
>24%40gmail.com


>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>for nabs-l:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
>cious%40suddenlink.net

>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jev
nikar%40uto
>ronto.ca


>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto
ronto.ca



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 03:02:31 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:02:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090118234746.8232.77212@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090118234746.8232.77212@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090119030231.GD57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I offer warning that not all teaching programs out there are friendly to 
the idea of blind people receiving a teaching license.  You can discover a 
whole pattern of abuse and discrimination and still essentially lose 
everything if the right people don't take the decisive actions at the right 
time.

I know first hand, but I'm honestly tired of telling the story, so I will 
not tell it here.  Trust me: Just because it seems that we as people with 
disabilities seem ideally suited to working with others with disabilities 
and just because the people who run these programs are supposed to be in 
the position of helping people like us achieve our potential...  None of 
that means they won't have the same prejudices everyone else has.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:47:46PM -0500, Jedi wrote:
> Hmmm. I'd recommend at least a Bachelor's in Special Ed at the very  
> least. If you can shake it, I'd also recommend getting a Master's in  
> Special Ed. Afterward, I'd highly recommend getting your TVI training at 
> Louisiana Tech through their TBS/O&M program. The generalized Special Ed 
> programs are always a good idea because some of your students will have 
> multiple disabilities, and you'll want to know the current philosophies 
> on disability that your colleagues will operate under. That way, you'll 
> have an idea of what to expect in your colleagues for good or ill. You'll 
> also know what laws affect your practice, especially in the way of 
> writing IEPs and the like.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 03:05:22 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:05:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
In-Reply-To: <F3CB6396C3724EA49ACECE6749D0FF2C@D3ZCJ891>
References: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<20090118204820.GF55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<F3CB6396C3724EA49ACECE6749D0FF2C@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <20090119030522.GE57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The Stream does not support MPEG-4 AAC format audio.  Some of us have a lot 
of content in that format, and the Stream can't play it.  Its original 
specs said it could, but they were revised when I pointed out that it in 
fact cannot.

MPEG-4 AAC is called for by the DAISY standard, just essentially never used.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 04:05:50PM -0800, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>Is there anything that the IPod can do, besides maybe shuffle and random, 
>that the stream cannot? Besides, you cannot record with an IPod. Also, I 
>don't remember the capacity of the IPod, but the stream is almost unlimited 
>for space, as long as you get a big enough card. With the IPod, what you get 
>is what you're stuck with for space.


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 03:20:02 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:20:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
In-Reply-To: <002301c979d9$7a9aa8b0$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>
References: <20090118204450.GE55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<002301c979d9$7a9aa8b0$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <20090119032002.GF57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Well, dealram lists:

4 GB for $9
8 GB for $17
16 GB for $30

All are Transcend-branded Class 6 SDHC cards from DMS Certified Memory.  
This company does not advertise any 32 GB cards on dealram, but Newegg 
does.

Checking dealram for Kingston memory from Newegg lists these prices:

16 GB for $36
32 GB for $142

Of course, dealram lists PNY and generic cards for less (generic for only 
$106), but I am disinclined to buy a cheap knockoff 32 GB memory card, 
given that flash memory has a limited lifespan that is proportional to the 
quality of the memory put into it.  Transcend and Kingston are known 
quantities, as are SanDisk, PNY, Crucial, and others.  Generic could mean 
some China-produced fake like "Delkin" (note, not Belkin, although I don't 
tend to associate the latter with the highest quality product either..)

Right now, 16 GB SDHC is where it's at, pricewise, if buying online.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 08:58:52PM -0500, Antonio M. Guimaraes wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> you mentioned the price on a 32 gb card, and I am wondering the folliwing:
>
> Is the cost of a 32 gb card comparable, or much more than that of two 16 
> gb ones?
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"  
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>
>
>> It should take a 32 GB card as well, but they're so much more expensive 
>> than 16 GB cards that I'm not likely to buy one real soon.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:07:15AM -0500, Liz Bottner wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> The Stream doesn't have an included card. The stream can use 16gb High
>>> Capacity SD cards just fine, I own one and use it.
>>> Take care,
>>> Liz
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
>> nabs-l:
  
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net 
>> 
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 04:31:13 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:31:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY integration for the iPod Nano?
In-Reply-To: <F3CB6396C3724EA49ACECE6749D0FF2C@D3ZCJ891>
References: <208836.47911.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<20090118204820.GF55230@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<F3CB6396C3724EA49ACECE6749D0FF2C@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <49740208.0603c00a.6e11.fffff59f@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

The Stream actually can play things on random. It's in the menus. I could
talk you through how to set it up if you wanted. 

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/lizbot 





From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 05:50:31 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 21:50:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090119030231.GD57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <104161.51838.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm not 100% blind, actually, I'm low vision. My vision is good enough in A FEW states (not many, just 3 or 4) for me to have a VERY LIMITED driving license (i.e. daytime only, slow speed, no rain, no snow, no freeways, etc). 

--- On Sun, 1/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 7:02 PM

I offer warning that not all teaching programs out there are friendly to the
idea of blind people receiving a teaching license.  You can discover a whole
pattern of abuse and discrimination and still essentially lose everything if the
right people don't take the decisive actions at the right time.

I know first hand, but I'm honestly tired of telling the story, so I will
not tell it here.  Trust me: Just because it seems that we as people with
disabilities seem ideally suited to working with others with disabilities and
just because the people who run these programs are supposed to be in the
position of helping people like us achieve our potential...  None of that means
they won't have the same prejudices everyone else has.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:47:46PM -0500, Jedi wrote:
> Hmmm. I'd recommend at least a Bachelor's in Special Ed at the
very  least. If you can shake it, I'd also recommend getting a Master's
in  Special Ed. Afterward, I'd highly recommend getting your TVI training at
Louisiana Tech through their TBS/O&M program. The generalized Special Ed
programs are always a good idea because some of your students will have multiple
disabilities, and you'll want to know the current philosophies on disability
that your colleagues will operate under. That way, you'll have an idea of
what to expect in your colleagues for good or ill. You'll also know what
laws affect your practice, especially in the way of writing IEPs and the like.
> 
> -- REspectfully,
> Jedi

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 07:20:50 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 23:20:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <104161.51838.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20090119030231.GD57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<104161.51838.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090119072049.GA456@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I have a secret to tell you:  I know a woman who has a visual impairment 
and can drive.  She is discriminated against almost as much as I was, and I 
use a white cane.  Can't see is can't see in the eyes of someone who is 
biased in that direction.

A totally blind person would not have completed the first term of the 
program I'm in because in that first term we learned some things that 
conventional wisdom says absolutely require vision.  Neither the professor 
nor I knew how to adapt the techniques for a blind teacher because the 
students who need them typically are not successful using other teaching 
methods.  The question becomes how does a person teach without sight to a 
student who cannot learn without seeing a visual representation of each 
concept?

My professor didn't know, and neither did I.  I have the first inklings of 
answers to that question now, but I have had to invent the solution from 
scratch because nobody else has.  The professor involved is the one person 
in the department I can trust, and she's all the more eager to learn what I 
can come up with because she is such a visual learner herself.

Much has happened since then, and I will probably not have the opportunity 
to finish this thing I have started.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 09:50:31PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>I'm not 100% blind, actually, I'm low vision. My vision is good enough in A FEW states (not many, just 3 or 4) for me to have a VERY LIMITED driving license (i.e. daytime only, slow speed, no rain, no snow, no freeways, etc). 
>
>--- On Sun, 1/18/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 7:02 PM
>
>I offer warning that not all teaching programs out there are friendly to the
>idea of blind people receiving a teaching license.  You can discover a whole
>pattern of abuse and discrimination and still essentially lose everything if the
>right people don't take the decisive actions at the right time.
>
>I know first hand, but I'm honestly tired of telling the story, so I will
>not tell it here.  Trust me: Just because it seems that we as people with
>disabilities seem ideally suited to working with others with disabilities and
>just because the people who run these programs are supposed to be in the
>position of helping people like us achieve our potential...  None of that means
>they won't have the same prejudices everyone else has.
>
>Joseph
>
>On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 06:47:46PM -0500, Jedi wrote:
>> Hmmm. I'd recommend at least a Bachelor's in Special Ed at the
>very  least. If you can shake it, I'd also recommend getting a Master's
>in  Special Ed. Afterward, I'd highly recommend getting your TVI training at
>Louisiana Tech through their TBS/O&M program. The generalized Special Ed
>programs are always a good idea because some of your students will have multiple
>disabilities, and you'll want to know the current philosophies on disability
>that your colleagues will operate under. That way, you'll have an idea of
>what to expect in your colleagues for good or ill. You'll also know what
>laws affect your practice, especially in the way of writing IEPs and the like.
>> 
>> -- REspectfully,
>> Jedi
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>      
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From iamantonio at cox.net  Mon Jan 19 13:22:44 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:22:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <20090118204450.GE55230@yumi.bluecherry.net><002301c979d9$7a9aa8b0$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<20090119032002.GF57439@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <000901c97a39$03595340$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>

Thank you Joseph.

We'll have to wait till prices drop a bit before 32 gb SD cards are worth 
it.

Antonio Guimaraes
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


> Well, dealram lists:
>
> 4 GB for $9
> 8 GB for $17
> 16 GB for $30
>
> All are Transcend-branded Class 6 SDHC cards from DMS Certified Memory. 
> This company does not advertise any 32 GB cards on dealram, but Newegg 
> does.
>
> Checking dealram for Kingston memory from Newegg lists these prices:
>
> 16 GB for $36
> 32 GB for $142
>
> Of course, dealram lists PNY and generic cards for less (generic for only 
> $106), but I am disinclined to buy a cheap knockoff 32 GB memory card, 
> given that flash memory has a limited lifespan that is proportional to the 
> quality of the memory put into it.  Transcend and Kingston are known 
> quantities, as are SanDisk, PNY, Crucial, and others.  Generic could mean 
> some China-produced fake like "Delkin" (note, not Belkin, although I don't 
> tend to associate the latter with the highest quality product either..)
>
> Right now, 16 GB SDHC is where it's at, pricewise, if buying online.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 08:58:52PM -0500, Antonio M. Guimaraes wrote:
>> Joseph,
>>
>> you mentioned the price on a 32 gb card, and I am wondering the 
>> folliwing:
>>
>> Is the cost of a 32 gb card comparable, or much more than that of two 16 
>> gb ones?
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" 
>> <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
>>
>>
>>> It should take a 32 GB card as well, but they're so much more expensive 
>>> than 16 GB cards that I'm not likely to buy one real soon.
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 10:07:15AM -0500, Liz Bottner wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> The Stream doesn't have an included card. The stream can use 16gb High
>>>> Capacity SD cards just fine, I own one and use it.
>>>> Take care,
>>>> Liz
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net 



From jess28 at samobile.net  Mon Jan 19 13:31:46 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:31:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <20090119133146.24309.32100@biff.serotek.com>

Joseph,
That's actually a good thing because you are paving the way if there is 
ever going to be another student that will go through their program at 
that college.
I just wish that I had the same luck with the Early Childhood 
Department at the community college where I was attending. It wasn't 
the professors I was having the probelm with rather it was the head of 
the department who also just happened to be my advisor. I tried 
explaining to her that I knew other blind teachers in the field . But, 
she didn't seem to understand that. I also told her the nature of the 
job I was going after sooner or later which meant I didn't have to be 
teaching in a classroom.

-- 
Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 17:08:46 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:08:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] discrimination
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtHCgAAAEAAAAJmK6RBLEjJJkAGRlXR9TL8BAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Dear friends,

For those of you who would not mind taking a few minutes, I am interested in
understanding the various circumstances and set backs students with either
blindness or low vision endure. I am not interested in complaints, but
rather specific situations in which you have had to change your plans, your
major, or perhaps something I have not thought about in which other people
have forced you to miss out or significantly alter your desires.

I ask that these accounts be sent to the email address below, in order that
they do not fill up the list serve with a heavy volume of email. Although
for others who may be interested, I could compile the accounts into one
email and post that if the student does not indicate confidentiality.

The reason I ask for these accounts, is due to my concern for my peers and
those of you that are younger, in which you are having difficulty with
advocating and pursuing what you know should be feasible. If this is indeed
true, I would love to have the opportunity to address this area of concern
with our organization, and perhaps even addressing the National level.

The needs or visually impaired people will not be known unless we find an
affective means of communicating them. With that said, change will not occur
without finding a means to express them, and we become people with
resentment rather than hope.

Email: blind.subscriber at gmail.com


Mandarino,


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: winmail.dat
Type: application/ms-tnef
Size: 4682 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/attachments/20090119/13656902/attachment.bin>

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 19:21:39 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:21:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090119133146.24309.32100@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090119133146.24309.32100@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090119192139.GA1132@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Jess,

No blind person will ever earn a teaching license at this program as it 
exists today.  That I can just about promise you.  That includes me, 
despite getting past the ability barrier.  The decision's been made, 
meetings have been held, knowledge of what's happening has touched the 
highest levels of the university, and those levels are cooperating in that 
decision.

They've done it before, to other people who are blind and visually impaired 
and they will do it again most likely because I couldn't stop them.  It 
takes substantial financial resources to stop them, and I don't have them.  
It costs more than tuition does.

There were some who were supposed to be trying to help, but I never heard 
word one from them, and now it looks to be too late.

Joseph

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:31:46AM -0500, Jessica Trask wrote:
> Joseph,
> That's actually a good thing because you are paving the way if there is  
> ever going to be another student that will go through their program at  
> that college.
> I just wish that I had the same luck with the Early Childhood Department 
> at the community college where I was attending. It wasn't the professors 
> I was having the probelm with rather it was the head of the department 
> who also just happened to be my advisor. I tried explaining to her that I 
> knew other blind teachers in the field . But, she didn't seem to 
> understand that. I also told her the nature of the job I was going after 
> sooner or later which meant I didn't have to be teaching in a classroom.
>
> -- 
> Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit  
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Jan 19 20:14:05 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:14:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
Message-ID: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hey guys

One of my friends will be graduating high school and wants to go to the adult program at Colorado Center for the Blind.  The state Commission for the Blind refused to pay for it!  Has anybody had a problem in their state with the state agency for the blind refusing funding attendance at our NFB centers?  If yes, what arguments have you used to appeal the decision?

Thanks,
Serena

From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 20:27:50 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:27:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] dreamweaver mx 2004
Message-ID: <F19E8AF2EB97422E9CE921F69BA0DC63@Dezman>

Hi list,
Does anyone have experience using dreamweaver mx 2004? How usable is it with JAWS?

Thanks,
Dezman

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Jan 19 20:35:12 2009
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:35:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
References: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <C9CCF7E63E744BB4B1BE377F976FD904@labarre>

Greetings:

Please feel free to contact me off list at the below information for some 
specific advice.  Generally, the key in appealing these decisions is to make 
the argument that training offered at the CCB or wherever is unique and 
specifically tailored to help the individual blind person achieve his/her 
goals  and that existing programs in the state cannot do so as efficiently 
and effectively.  Every case is, however, different, and that is why I 
advise contacting me off list for  additionaly assistance.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged 
information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, 
copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in 
error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, 
and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments 
are covered by the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB


> Hey guys
>
> One of my friends will be graduating high school and wants to go to the 
> adult program at Colorado Center for the Blind.  The state Commission for 
> the Blind refused to pay for it!  Has anybody had a problem in their state 
> with the state agency for the blind refusing funding attendance at our NFB 
> centers?  If yes, what arguments have you used to appeal the decision?
>
> Thanks,
> Serena
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com
> 




From hfurney at bgsu.edu  Mon Jan 19 20:50:57 2009
From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:50:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scentific Calculator
Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB224363B102799@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>

Does anyone have a talking scentific caclulator that I could borrow for this semster?  If u do, can u email me at hfurney at bgsu.edu  Thanks.


Hannah Furney
Phi Mu Fraternity

From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Jan 19 21:09:11 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:09:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scentific Calculator
References: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB224363B102799@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>
Message-ID: <002101c97a7a$2d4aded0$0201a8c0@Serene>

Actually, do you have a Braillenote?  If yes, there's a scientific 
calculator in there.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannah G Furney" <hfurney at bgsu.edu>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scentific Calculator


> Does anyone have a talking scentific caclulator that I could borrow for 
> this semster?  If u do, can u email me at hfurney at bgsu.edu  Thanks.
>
>
> Hannah Furney
> Phi Mu Fraternity
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 21:41:23 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 13:41:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090119192139.GA1132@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <456420.95236.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Which university is this? Just so I know to stay away from them for getting my masters for teaching the blind. When I transfer I will already ahve my generalist resource room license. 

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 11:21 AM

Jess,

No blind person will ever earn a teaching license at this program as it exists
today.  That I can just about promise you.  That includes me, despite getting
past the ability barrier.  The decision's been made, meetings have been
held, knowledge of what's happening has touched the highest levels of the
university, and those levels are cooperating in that decision.

They've done it before, to other people who are blind and visually impaired
and they will do it again most likely because I couldn't stop them.  It
takes substantial financial resources to stop them, and I don't have them. 
It costs more than tuition does.

There were some who were supposed to be trying to help, but I never heard word
one from them, and now it looks to be too late.

Joseph

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 08:31:46AM -0500, Jessica Trask wrote:
> Joseph,
> That's actually a good thing because you are paving the way if there
is  ever going to be another student that will go through their program at  that
college.
> I just wish that I had the same luck with the Early Childhood Department
at the community college where I was attending. It wasn't the professors I
was having the probelm with rather it was the head of the department who also
just happened to be my advisor. I tried explaining to her that I knew other
blind teachers in the field . But, she didn't seem to understand that. I
also told her the nature of the job I was going after sooner or later which
meant I didn't have to be teaching in a classroom.
> 
> -- Jessica Trask
> 
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From hfurney at bgsu.edu  Mon Jan 19 22:04:28 2009
From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:04:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scientific Calculator that is by itself
Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB224363B10279B@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>

Does anyone have a Scientific talking calculator that I can buy from them.  I do not have a notetaker.  I am taking a science class this semsters so I need a calculator.  Thanks.  My email is hfurney at bgsu.edu


Hannah Furney
Phi Mu Fraternity

From minesm at me.com  Mon Jan 19 23:11:01 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:11:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] dreamweaver mx 2004
In-Reply-To: <F19E8AF2EB97422E9CE921F69BA0DC63@Dezman>
References: <F19E8AF2EB97422E9CE921F69BA0DC63@Dezman>
Message-ID: <E991D558-BAB7-4F29-A184-7A82FB053CDE@me.com>

I don't know how 2004 is but DreamWeaver CS3 Web Standard for Windows  
is very usable with JAWs 9 and 10. For more specifics you can write me  
off-list.

On Jan 19, 2009, at 1:27 PM, Dezman Jackson wrote:

> Hi list,
> Does anyone have experience using dreamweaver mx 2004? How usable is  
> it with JAWS?
>
> Thanks,
> Dezman
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
> for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm 
> %40me.com



Maurice Mines
Masters Student Educational Technology
University of Northern Colorado
School mail: mine1533 at bears.unco.edu
NFBCO Volunteer Assistant Newsline Coordinator
Office Phone (970) 373-3076





From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jan 19 23:10:56 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:10:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scientific Calculator that is by itself
References: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB224363B10279B@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>
Message-ID: <06FCA597DEA84B2D84D9F3ADEDC0D113@D3ZCJ891>

Do you have a laptop that you can take to class?

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannah G Furney" <hfurney at bgsu.edu>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:04 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scientific Calculator that is by itself


Does anyone have a Scientific talking calculator that I can buy from them. 
I do not have a notetaker.  I am taking a science class this semsters so I 
need a calculator.  Thanks.  My email is hfurney at bgsu.edu


Hannah Furney
Phi Mu Fraternity
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 23:50:08 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:50:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <456420.95236.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20090119192139.GA1132@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<456420.95236.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090119235008.GB1132@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Western Oregon University.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 01:41:23PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>Which university is this? Just so I know to stay away from them for getting my masters for teaching the blind. When I transfer I will already ahve my generalist resource room license. 


From blindhistory at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 01:08:39 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lucy)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:08:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] blindhistory@gmail.com has invited you to have a 3D avatar
	chat
Message-ID: <200901200108.n0K18d5W032469@AF001195.prod.imvu.com>

                                                                                                                                    From: Lucy              Avatar: Guest_Roalwand              To: National                                                                                                                                                                                            Hey National,Lucy has added you as a friend on IMVU.              Is Lucy your friend?                                           Yes                             &nbsp;                              No                                         Please respond or Lucy may think you said no :)                                                                              IMVU is the world's greatest 3D chat!                                        Dress up your Avatar with 3D clothes.                      Chat with your friends &amp; meet new ones.                      Decorate your own 3D Room with furniture.                      FREE to download &amp; use!                                    http://www.imvu.com                                                                                                                                                                                                      Copyright &copy; 2006-2007 IMVU, Inc. 411 High Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301.                                                  This email was sent via IMVU by Lucy (blindhistory at gmail.com) to nabs-l at nfbnet.org.      If you want to prevent any future emails from IMVU, you can remove yourself by pointing your web browser to http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=d4197d&email=nabs-l at nfbnet.org.      Your unsubscribe confirmation code is d4197d                    

From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Tue Jan 20 02:05:42 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 18:05:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] blindhistory@gmail.com has invited you to have a 3D
	avatarchat
Message-ID: <20090120020500.XFVA14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>



> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lucy" <blindhistory at gmail.com
>To: "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:08:39 -0800
>Subject: [nabs-l] blindhistory at gmail.com has invited you to have 
a 3D avatarchat

>                                                                                                                                    
From: Lucy              Avatar: Guest_Roalwand              To: 
National                                                                                                                                                                                            
Hey National,Lucy has added you as a friend on IMVU.              
Is Lucy your friend?                                           
Yes                             &nbsp;                              
No                                         Please respond or Lucy 
may think you said no :)                                                                              
IMVU is the world's greatest 3D chat!                                        
Dress up your Avatar with 3D clothes.                      Chat 
with your friends &amp; meet new ones.                      
Decorate your own 3D Room with furniture.                      
FREE to download &amp; use!                                    
http://www.imvu.com                                                                                                                                                                                                      
Copyright &copy; 2006-2007 IMVU, Inc.  411 High Street, Palo 
Alto, CA 94301.                                                  
This email was sent via IMVU by Lucy (blindhistory at gmail.com) to 
nabs-l at nfbnet.org.      If you want to prevent any future emails 
from IMVU, you can remove yourself by pointing your web browser 
to 
http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=d419
7d&email=nabs-l at nfbnet.org.      Your unsubscribe confirmation 
code is d4197d
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net
>


From hfurney at bgsu.edu  Tue Jan 20 02:26:06 2009
From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:26:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Talking Scentific Calculator
Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB224363B10279C@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>

I need a stand alone talking calculator that is by itself.  Please if you have one, if you can email me at hfurney at bgsu.edu


Hannah Furney
Phi Mu Fraternity

From blindhistory at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 02:59:39 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:59:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] blindhistory@gmail.com has invited you to have a 3D
	avatarchat
In-Reply-To: <20090120020500.XFVA14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090120020500.XFVA14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901191859u33d2de0fudd1cc2f7c0746ce2@mail.gmail.com>

please disregard this thread.

On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:05 PM, hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>wrote:

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lucy" <blindhistory at gmail.com
>> To: "National" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 17:08:39 -0800
>> Subject: [nabs-l] blindhistory at gmail.com has invited you to have
>>
> a 3D avatarchat
>
>
>>
>>
> From: Lucy              Avatar: Guest_Roalwand              To: National
>
>
>                                  Hey National,Lucy has added you as a friend
> on IMVU.              Is Lucy your friend?
>         Yes                             &nbsp;
>  No                                         Please respond or Lucy may think
> you said no :)
>                IMVU is the world's greatest 3D chat!
>                Dress up your Avatar with 3D clothes.
>  Chat with your friends &amp; meet new ones.                      Decorate
> your own 3D Room with furniture.                      FREE to download &amp;
> use!                                    http://www.imvu.com
>
>
>                                Copyright &copy; 2006-2007 IMVU, Inc.  411
> High Street, Palo Alto, CA 94301.
>        This email was sent via IMVU by Lucy (blindhistory at gmail.com) to
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org.      If you want to prevent any future emails from
> IMVU, you can remove yourself by pointing your web browser to
> http://www.imvu.com/catalog/web_nonregisteredoptout.php?code=d419
> 7d&email=nabs-l at nfbnet.org.      Your unsubscribe confirmation code is
> d4197d
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>
> for nabs-l:
>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
>>
> cious%40suddenlink.net
>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 05:07:39 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:07:39 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Math Resources
Message-ID: <b6b933030901192107y3acd4ccai4e6db21b8b501b2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello NABS listers,

The NABS board is in the midst of planning the agenda for our exciting
midwinter meeting at Washington Seminar on Sunday, Feb. 8. As is our
tradition we will be holding several breakout sessions including one
devoted to answering questions about "tough classes" including math
and science, art, and recreation. I have been assigned to help
coordinate this breakout meeting and since many of us have had
questions and concerns about math accessibility, I'd like to have
someone available during the session to provide information about math
access software (such as LATX) and resources for obtaining Braille
math and science texts.

Is anyone who is going to Washington Seminar this year knowledgeable
about these issues and willing to help run this breakout group? If so,
please write me *Off-list* at
arielle71 at gmail.com
Thank you  in advance for your help!

Arielle Silverman
First Vice-President, NABS


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Tue Jan 20 05:55:01 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:55:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>

Hmmm. I'm really surprised you didn't go through the Louisiana program 
which is structured for blind teachers from the ground up. Or, did I 
miss something I.E. that you're studying something else?

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Tue Jan 20 05:59:35 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 00:59:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <20090120055935.23703.17457@biff.serotek.com>

Joseph,

You might give some thought to letting the NfB provide the financial 
and legal resources to fight discrimination. If nothing else, the law 
is on your side. I'm not sure just what exactly the organization can 
provide you, but it's worth checking it out. Keep us posted.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 20 06:03:15 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 22:03:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <180035.13331.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I didn't know this program existed until you mentioned it. If i were to leave my bachelor's at this point, I would have to repeat some credits (my mom was a former professor at the university I go to so she knows this). I'm not up for repetition of credits that I already completed, u know? Any word on University of Arizona @ Tucson? 

--- On Mon, 1/19/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 9:55 PM

Hmmm. I'm really surprised you didn't go through the Louisiana program
which is structured for blind teachers from the ground up. Or, did I miss
something I.E. that you're studying something else?

-- REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 07:29:50 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 23:29:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying to be a Teacher of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <20090120055935.23703.17457@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090120055935.23703.17457@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090120072950.GD1132@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I explored that route.  Important calls and emails necessary to make that 
happen appear not to have been returned.  I won't go into detail because I 
don't know exactly what happened, and any speculation I offer might be very 
unkind to those who were expected to respond.

I do not know that there is no longer anything to be done.  I just know 
that anything that would be done now is a much harder (and very much more 
expensive) fight.  It doesn't matter how good the evidence is if they are 
willing to throw all of their resources into depleting yours.

Joseph

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:59:35AM -0500, Jedi wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> You might give some thought to letting the NfB provide the financial and 
> legal resources to fight discrimination. If nothing else, the law is on 
> your side. I'm not sure just what exactly the organization can provide 
> you, but it's worth checking it out. Keep us posted.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit  
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 10:01:44 2009
From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com (Marsha)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 05:01:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
In-Reply-To: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <2E61986DF7854DE2B16929783F72A1F2@Cptr233>

Hello all,
I don't know if the twitter bug has bitten any of you. I wanted to see if
any of you all are on twitter? And I am interested to hear what you all
think of twitter? 
Thanks,
marsha 
 

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3779 (20090119) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com
 



From spaulding.scott at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 12:39:40 2009
From: spaulding.scott at gmail.com (Scott Spaulding)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:39:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
In-Reply-To: <2E61986DF7854DE2B16929783F72A1F2@Cptr233>
References: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>
	<2E61986DF7854DE2B16929783F72A1F2@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <4975c612.232d400a.7dfb.ffffc836@mx.google.com>

I don't use it much, but I'm on there as sws40203 I believe.

Please sponsor me in the 3rd annual NFB March for Independence that will
take place in Detroit MI on July 6th 2009. You can learn about the march and
sponsor me at http://www.marchforindependence.org/goto/ScottSpaulding Please
pass this URL on to anyone who you think might be interested in sponsoring
me or helping in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Marsha
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:02 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter

Hello all,
I don't know if the twitter bug has bitten any of you. I wanted to see if
any of you all are on twitter? And I am interested to hear what you all
think of twitter? 
Thanks,
marsha 
 

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3779 (20090119) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com
 


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm
ail.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.9/1902 - Release Date: 1/19/2009
9:37 AM



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 14:58:40 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:58:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
In-Reply-To: <2E61986DF7854DE2B16929783F72A1F2@Cptr233>
References: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>
	<2E61986DF7854DE2B16929783F72A1F2@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <4975e699.050cc00a.5285.71ee@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

I am on Twitter, (although you know that already), and I think it's a fun
tool. 

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From blindhistory at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 16:52:09 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:52:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] twitter
In-Reply-To: <4975e699.050cc00a.5285.71ee@mx.google.com>
References: <20090120055501.23703.25688@biff.serotek.com>
	<2E61986DF7854DE2B16929783F72A1F2@Cptr233>
	<4975e699.050cc00a.5285.71ee@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901200852m626a6afy60f79e2c88b25313@mail.gmail.com>

what is twitter?



On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am on Twitter, (although you know that already), and I think it's a fun
> tool.
>
> Take care,
>
> Liz
>
> email:
> liz.bottner at gmail.com
> Visit my livejournal:
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
> Follow me on Twitter:
> http://twitter.com/lizbot
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 21:37:31 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:37:31 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
In-Reply-To: <001901c979dd$4e622d00$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>
References: <20090118024415.22958.35431@biff.serotek.com>
	<5DF96E1AAE06479C82692BA3E626BFD3@davee984e49f02>
	<001901c979dd$4e622d00$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901201337m57635fc5yfcc979cba1e56a62@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

For what it's worth, I do vaguely know Scott from growing up in
Arizona, since we're about the same age and have the same eye
condition (Lebers) although we didn't cross paths much. He seems like
a bright and talented guy with a good attitude, although since he has
a lot of usable vision, I'm not sure how much he identifies with being
blind. I don't think he has any "physical challenges" other than
blindness, but of course in such a competition there can be the
temptation to emphasize the challenges in one's life so as to stand
out from the crowd.

Arielle

On 1/19/09, Antonio M. Guimaraes <iamantonio at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi David,
>
> You said
>
> "I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off,
> we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much
> interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models."
>
> I will not judge this Idol contestant based on how much role model
> experience he's had. If he sings well, and is personable, and
> entertainment-worthy, he deserves all the success. If his voice isn't very
> strong, and is below the grade of his other idol peers, then he might be
> voted off. That is unless the blind community bands together in a national
> campaign to keep him on for as long as possible.
>
> He'll need more than a sad story to convince the voting public he deserves
> their vote. And if and when he goes off the show, I hope he does so with
> grace, and sportsmenship.
>
> Antonio Guimaraes
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
>
>
>>I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First off,
>>we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much
>>interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models. I know
>>right now he might seem like some what of a novelty, but I'm hoping that he
>>
>>will earn the reputation he deserves as a result of any existing talent
>>rather than because of his blindness. I personally think it would be kind
>>of cool to have another blind individual succeed in the music industry.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> David Wright
>>
>> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>>
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
>>
>>
>>> He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised Simon
>>> didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the explanation
>>>
>>> of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.
>>>
>>> --
>>> REspectfully,
>>> Jedi
>>>
>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 20 21:45:51 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 15:45:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] 2008 Blind Bargains Access Awards
Message-ID: <CDEC39764FD2495EA467A16C459783E1@davee984e49f02>

Good afternoon all, 

Once again, it's time to vote for the 2008 Blind Bargains Access Awards.



Please remember to vote for the KNFBReader  software and Ray Kurzweil. 





http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php

 



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 21 01:41:58 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:41:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PAID INTERNSHIPS and MENTORING for students with
 disabilities pursuing computing!
Message-ID: <auto-000082560934@mailfront1.g2host.com>


PAID INTERNSHIPS and MENTORING for students with disabilities 
pursuing computing!

The Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University 
of Washington and DO-IT (Disabilities, Opportunities, 
Internetworking, and Technology)
sponsor the AccessComputing Alliance for the purpose of increasing 
the participation of people with disabilities in computing careers. 
College students
with disabilities who are pursuing Computer Science and other 
computing majors are encouraged to join the AccessComputing Team.

Team members are eligible for help with PAID COMPUTING INTERNSHIPS and

MENTORING. The application is at:

http://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/team_app.html

This project is funded by the National Science Foundation. For more 
information, or help with the application, students are encouraged to 
contact Julie
Grant (jago at u.washington.edu).

-- 

Julie Grant

Counselor/Coordinator Intern

DO-IT

Box 354842

University of Washington

Seattle, WA 98195-4842

http://www.washington.edu/doit/

PHONE: 206.685.3648 (Voice/TTY)  FAX: 206.221.4171



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 02:41:38 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:41:38 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
In-Reply-To: <C9CCF7E63E744BB4B1BE377F976FD904@labarre>
References: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>
	<C9CCF7E63E744BB4B1BE377F976FD904@labarre>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901201841q7b16d087y1a01898fa1374bdc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I had to fight a bit to receive support from my state for training at
LCB. Each case is different, but I'd highly recommend seeking advice
from your state affiliate president and/or chapter president during
this process. These people can tell you about particular language to
include in your justification that will convince rehab professionals
in your particular state. They can also write letters of their own or
even go with you to talk to rehab personally.

Arielle

On 1/20/09, Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com> wrote:
> Greetings:
>
> Please feel free to contact me off list at the below information for some
> specific advice.  Generally, the key in appealing these decisions is to make
> the argument that training offered at the CCB or wherever is unique and
> specifically tailored to help the individual blind person achieve his/her
> goals  and that existing programs in the state cannot do so as efficiently
> and effectively.  Every case is, however, different, and that is why I
> advise contacting me off list for  additionaly assistance.
> Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>
> LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
> 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
> Denver, Colorado 80222
> 303 504-5979 (voice)
> 303 757-3640 (fax)
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
> www.labarrelaw.com (website)
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged
> information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read,
> copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in
> error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com,
> and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments
> are covered by the Electronic
> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
>
>
>> Hey guys
>>
>> One of my friends will be graduating high school and wants to go to the
>> adult program at Colorado Center for the Blind.  The state Commission for
>> the Blind refused to pay for it!  Has anybody had a problem in their state
>>
>> with the state agency for the blind refusing funding attendance at our NFB
>>
>> centers?  If yes, what arguments have you used to appeal the decision?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Serena
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From graduate56 at juno.com  Wed Jan 21 07:37:07 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (melissa Green)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 00:37:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
References: <20090118024415.22958.35431@biff.serotek.com><5DF96E1AAE06479C82692BA3E626BFD3@davee984e49f02><001901c979dd$4e622d00$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>
	<b6b933030901201337m57635fc5yfcc979cba1e56a62@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D32086033C443338E5D52D17E8E5102@melissagreen>

Hi all.
I have been reading this thread.
I think that many times we as blind people who have chosen to be in the Nfb, 
question other blind peoples skill level and or how they portray blindness.
I agree that his blindness is being imphasized more for the amazing factor.
I have heard his audition.  He does have a really good voice.  I hope that 
he makes it pretty far.  I also like that he was very humbled by the intire 
experience.  He also handled the amazing factor pretty well.
After hearing his voice, I know that they didn't just let him in because he 
was blind.  Hmm, wonder why many people didn't discuss the dance version of 
american idol.  On that show they had a woman audition who was visually 
impaired.  They didn't send her to the next round because the judges though 
that it would be more patronizing to her to do so.  In other words, they 
didn't just send her through because she was visually impaired.  Scott seems 
to have made it through because of his tallent.  His blindness has taken a 
back seat to this.
just my two-cents.

Melissa R. Green
Every answer asks a more beautiful question. --e e cummings


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol


> Hi all,
>
> For what it's worth, I do vaguely know Scott from growing up in
> Arizona, since we're about the same age and have the same eye
> condition (Lebers) although we didn't cross paths much. He seems like
> a bright and talented guy with a good attitude, although since he has
> a lot of usable vision, I'm not sure how much he identifies with being
> blind. I don't think he has any "physical challenges" other than
> blindness, but of course in such a competition there can be the
> temptation to emphasize the challenges in one's life so as to stand
> out from the crowd.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 1/19/09, Antonio M. Guimaraes <iamantonio at cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi David,
>>
>> You said
>>
>> "I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First 
>> off,
>> we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much
>> interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models."
>>
>> I will not judge this Idol contestant based on how much role model
>> experience he's had. If he sings well, and is personable, and
>> entertainment-worthy, he deserves all the success. If his voice isn't 
>> very
>> strong, and is below the grade of his other idol peers, then he might be
>> voted off. That is unless the blind community bands together in a 
>> national
>> campaign to keep him on for as long as possible.
>>
>> He'll need more than a sad story to convince the voting public he 
>> deserves
>> their vote. And if and when he goes off the show, I hope he does so with
>> grace, and sportsmenship.
>>
>> Antonio Guimaraes
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
>>
>>
>>>I don't think we should be so quick to judge this individual... First 
>>>off,
>>>we really don't know much about his background in terms of how much
>>>interaction he had with other blind individuals and role models. I know
>>>right now he might seem like some what of a novelty, but I'm hoping that 
>>>he
>>>
>>>will earn the reputation he deserves as a result of any existing talent
>>>rather than because of his blindness. I personally think it would be kind
>>>of cool to have another blind individual succeed in the music industry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards:
>>> David Wright
>>>
>>> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>>> Mobile: 512-203-2474
>>>
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:44 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Guy on American Idol
>>>
>>>
>>>> He's actually pretty good and I hope he does well. I was surprised 
>>>> Simon
>>>> didn't act like a butt toward him. I found, however, that the 
>>>> explanation
>>>>
>>>> of his blindness and his love of music to be a little pitiful.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> REspectfully,
>>>> Jedi
>>>>
>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com
> 

____________________________________________________________
Get the sign you need for the impact you want. Click now!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3YeDVLKI9vapmFr0SpcWrzt3X5O4KgJSQbCRKkswrygqIPX/


From MRiccobono at nfb.org  Wed Jan 21 14:28:19 2009
From: MRiccobono at nfb.org (Riccobono,
	Mark)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 08:28:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday,
 January  21, 09
Message-ID: <auto-000082603120@mailfront1.g2host.com>



The next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" live internet radio show is 
scheduled for January 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM EST.  The show will 
be  dedicated to the importance, programs, and people who love 
Braille.  Mr. Ruffalo will interview Jernigan Institute executive 
director, Mark Riccobono, New Jersey Association to Promote the Use 
of Braille Co-chair, Mary Jo Partyka, and a young Braille reader 
along with his proud parent.

Please visit <http://www.thruoureyes.org/>www.thruoureyes.org    on 
Wednesday evening 01/21/09 at 8:00 PM EST  to hear this great program.






From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 18:06:08 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:06:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
In-Reply-To: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>
References: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <497763e0.0906c00a.088b.2be5@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

I, too, have had my state refuse to pay to send me to a training center. I
don't really know how to get around that or even if I would have a good
enough argument to go, so I've just dropped it for now. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/lizbot 





From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 21:39:38 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 13:39:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
In-Reply-To: <497763e0.0906c00a.088b.2be5@mx.google.com>
References: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>
	<497763e0.0906c00a.088b.2be5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <20090121213938.GA9100@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I had the Oregon Commission for the Blind tell me that they do not send 
people to NFB training centers.  They have their own, you see.

I had an evaluation.  I told them that my goal was mastery learning of the 
skills of blindness--skills I did not possess.  I told them that my 
timetable for such mastery was one year prior to the beginning of a 
graduate school program.

Their own evaluation was that if I did not have the skills, I should learn 
them (obvious), and that their own training center could not provide them 
in the timespan available to me (important), and that the only place such 
mastery was possible in less than a year was at our centers.

Their own evaluation concluded that I must go to an NFB training center, 
and so that is where I went.  I got what I went there to get, too.  They 
simply refused to hear of it, though, until their own evaluation 
demonstrated the necessity.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 01:06:08PM -0500, Liz Bottner wrote:
>Hi, 
>
>I, too, have had my state refuse to pay to send me to a training center. I
>don't really know how to get around that or even if I would have a good
>enough argument to go, so I've just dropped it for now. 
>
>Liz 
>
>email: 
>liz.bottner at gmail.com 
>Visit my livejournal: 
>http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
>Follow me on Twitter:
>http://twitter.com/lizbot 
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 22:36:16 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:36:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Apply to Mentor at the NOPBC 2009 Conference
Message-ID: <4977a365.1b6f420a.5a26.ffff8af1@mx.google.com>

Hey All You Bright and Wonderful Students!

 

I am seeking mentors for various activities meant to empower blind kids at
our annual conference at convention. There is often nothing more powerful
for them than to spend a bit of time being encouraged by a young adult who
they can identify with; who they can hope to be like.

 

Please reply off-list if you would like to apply to mentor at one of the
following;

 

Friday July 3rd, 10;30-noon Braille Carnival (must have excellent Braille
skills)

Friday afternoon 2-5 p.m. Those interested and having experience in art,
tactile graphics, or teaching/mentoring these before

Saturday July 4th, 8 a.m. to noon  Cane Walk (must have excellent cane
travel skills)

Saturday afternoon 2-5 pm. Those interested in physical fitness.

 

Sunday July 5th afternoon-apply to be a speaker , topic, "Growing Up Blind"
at our Annual Division meeting, 20 minutes between 1 and 5 pm if you have a
great story and powerful delivery. Send an outline or draft essay of just
highlights to me at: Carrie.gilmer at gmail.com by Feb. 15th, 2009.

 

Make a Difference in the life of a blind kid!

Sincerely,

 

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

 


From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 23:29:29 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:29:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680901180000k1194a9f8jfe9ef79b77a4159c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4977afde.2208420a.50af.ffff9dad@mx.google.com>

Dear Brice,
I have a personal experience with this organization. They know pretty much
nothing about blindness. It would be good if someone had more time than I
did to show them. If you have questions please contact me off-list. 

Sincerely,
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Brice Smith
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:00 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange

The website is:
www.miusa.org


On 1/17/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bryce,
>
> I haven't done any internship with the organization.  However, I'd be
> interested to have the link to their website; mind posting it here for
> others who might also have an interest?
> Courtney
>
> On 1/17/09, Brice Smith <brsmith2424 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone ever done any type of internship or work with this
>> organization?
>> Their website lists some very general info on internships, noting that
>> it's a great opportunity for students wishing to make a career in
>> international relations -- which seems to be the direction I'm headed
>> -- but there doesn't seem to be a lot of specific information.
>>
>> - Brice
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.
com
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith2424%40gmail.
com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carrie.gilmer%40gmai
l.com



From doctorperry at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 00:03:08 2009
From: doctorperry at comcast.net (DocPerry)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 16:03:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV's in college classrooms
Message-ID: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>

Hello you college folks, I need your experiences/opinions from CCTV-BrailleNote-Zoomtext users. Did you use them in the classroom in high school? What happened when you hit college (private, state, or university college)? 

Curious as to the path ahead. Thanks, Valerie 

From hfurney at bgsu.edu  Thu Jan 22 00:10:06 2009
From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:10:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV's in college classrooms
In-Reply-To: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>
References: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>
Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB224363B1027A9@MAIL6.bgsu.edu>

I used a CCTV in high school, while I interned with different teacher.  Now, I have one for my apartment, and a portable one to take with me to class.  I love my portable one because i can read menus and books by myself, it will also help when i am going to do some intership hours with teachers.

Hannah Furney
Phi Mu Fraternity
________________________________________
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of DocPerry [doctorperry at comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:03 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV's in college classrooms

Hello you college folks, I need your experiences/opinions from CCTV-BrailleNote-Zoomtext users. Did you use them in the classroom in high school? What happened when you hit college (private, state, or university college)?

Curious as to the path ahead. Thanks, Valerie
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hfurney%40bgsu.edu


From aspooner at blindinc.org  Thu Jan 22 00:32:57 2009
From: aspooner at blindinc.org (Al Spooner)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:32:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
In-Reply-To: <497763e0.0906c00a.088b.2be5@mx.google.com>
References: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene>
	<497763e0.0906c00a.088b.2be5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000501c97c28$f9fccc40$7e01a8c0@rocky>

Hi Liz,

I hear these words of yours way too often, from many other throughout the
country, and it really frustrates me how too many VR counselors do this.
I can say this though, if you are interested in attending one of our NFB
centers, please contact the center of your choice, and explain your
situation.  We have good people at all three centers that deal with this
kind of stuff on a regular basis, and can probably help.  In addition, we
can also put you in touch with the appropriate NFB member in your state to
help advocate on your behalf.  Sometimes it takes a few of us together as a
team to get a clear message across to your counselor, but if you're willing
to do this, we are willing to assist.

Al Spooner
Assistant Director
Outreach and Marketing
Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated (BLIND, Incorporated)
100 East 22nd Street
Minneapolis, MN 55404
Office: 612-872-0100
Toll Free: 800-597-9558
Fax: 612-872-9358 
Web Site: www.blindinc.org
Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Liz Bottner
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:06 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB

Hi, 

I, too, have had my state refuse to pay to send me to a training center. I
don't really know how to get around that or even if I would have a good
enough argument to go, so I've just dropped it for now. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aspooner%40blindinc.
org



From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 01:53:03 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:53:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901211753r1304b786n91affa74245de187@mail.gmail.com>




From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 01:54:10 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:54:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV's in college classrooms
In-Reply-To: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>
References: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901211754y534a17abw6ac0a7cd84e26938@mail.gmail.com>

Well I have a laptop that was provided to me by the Florida Division of
Blind Services. I take it to class with me and use ZoomText and JAWS on it
frequently. (wearing headphones when using JAWS of course). I also
occasionally use a hand-held video magnifier called a QuickLook. It's about
the size of a stack of index cards, reasonably light, and good in a pinch if
I need to read something that wasn't scanned and e-mailed to me. I think the
computer is the best way to go in college because it's reasonably (usually)
easy to get materials scanned and sent to you via the internet. At least, it
seems easier than getting things blown up or brailled. As for CCTV's... if
you mean those big bulky ones that stand on their own desk, it might be
easier just to learn Braille or improve your computer skills.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:03 PM, DocPerry <doctorperry at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hello you college folks, I need your experiences/opinions from
> CCTV-BrailleNote-Zoomtext users. Did you use them in the classroom in high
> school? What happened when you hit college (private, state, or university
> college)?
>
> Curious as to the path ahead. Thanks, Valerie
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 01:54:56 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:54:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901211754v74c72edpd83cbe1071098790@mail.gmail.com>




From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 02:01:02 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:01:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <df5bac6d0901211754v74c72edpd83cbe1071098790@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df5bac6d0901211754v74c72edpd83cbe1071098790@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901211801i56f82881j97104b0a1cc4bfa@mail.gmail.com>

Having some trouble?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Merisa Musemic <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 22 02:03:32 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:03:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Bargains.com Voting Has Started
Message-ID: <auto-000082720812@mailfront1.g2host.com>

 From John G. Paré Jr.


Dear Colleagues:

I am writing to you to ask your help in 
recognizing one of the most important inventors 
of our time.  Blind Bargains.com is conducting 
the voting round for its second annual Access 
Technology Awards.  Ray Kurzweil and the 
knfbReader Mobile have been nominated in three 
different categories.  We, the blind users of 
access technology, have the opportunity to tell 
the world how much we appreciate and honor Ray Kurzweil and his inventions.

Please support Ray Kurzweil by voting in favor of 
the nominations for his newest and most exciting 
product and for Ray Kurzweil himself.  Here are 
the particulars:   You can submit your vote by 
visiting 
<http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php>http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php

Only one vote in each category by each person is 
permitted.  So, don't vote several times as your 
ballots will not be counted.  Voting ends at 5:00 
p.m. Eastern time on January 25, 2009.

The knfbReader Mobile is nominated in two 
categories: Category 1, Best New Product or 
Innovation, and Category 5, Best Software 
Product.  Ray Kurzweil has been nominated in 
Category 11 for Person of the Year.

There are many worthy nominations this year, but 
I think you will agree that the work of Ray 
Kurzweil has had a tremendous impact on the life 
of each and every blind person not only in the 
United States, but throughout the 
world.   Working with the National Federation of 
the Blind, Ray Kurzweil created the first truly pocket-sized reading machine.

Please join me in supporting this technology that 
was created and produced side by side with the 
organized blind.  Please visit 
<http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php>http://www.blindbargains.com/awardvote08.php 
and cast your votes before 5:00 p.m. Eastern time this Sunday.

Thank you in advance for your help.

John G. Paré Jr.
Executive Director for Strategic Initiatives
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND




From blindhistory at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 03:07:36 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:07:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901211907o6f0bf314od3f1f15745372db0@mail.gmail.com>

How do you make it so that the stream will read RFB&D Books? I did not find
a place to enter a key code. Do I have to buy the sofware or something? I
had the software for the bookport.

-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From blindhistory at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 03:08:53 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:08:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901211801i56f82881j97104b0a1cc4bfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df5bac6d0901211754v74c72edpd83cbe1071098790@mail.gmail.com>
	<63af025c0901211801i56f82881j97104b0a1cc4bfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901211908s77bee201g763357e2b76dde2b@mail.gmail.com>

what are you having trouble with?

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>wrote:

> Having some trouble?
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Merisa Musemic <merisa.musemic at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 03:14:40 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:14:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00901211908s77bee201g763357e2b76dde2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df5bac6d0901211754v74c72edpd83cbe1071098790@mail.gmail.com>
	<63af025c0901211801i56f82881j97104b0a1cc4bfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<ea6d2ed00901211908s77bee201g763357e2b76dde2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901211914t3b039d56qb47bbed8b39138ba@mail.gmail.com>

No, I asked if you (or whoever it was posting the blank messages to the
list) if they were having trouble.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Lora and Myrtle <blindhistory at gmail.com>wrote:

> what are you having trouble with?
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Having some trouble?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Merisa Musemic <
> merisa.musemic at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nabs-l mailing list
> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > > nabs-l:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 03:21:07 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (gmail)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:21:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd
References: <ea6d2ed00901211907o6f0bf314od3f1f15745372db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9610882C26DA4BB38EBA69CA84B6775C@Nijatash>

You have to call RFB and D and get a software from them. They will send it 
to you in a CD. You will install the software to your Victor Streem and it 
will be ready to read RFB and D books. The cost is 20.00 dollars for the 
software.
   Note: the new RFB and D download program does not allow you to download 
books to the Victor Streem. You still have to order the books on CD and copy 
and paste them on to your SD card.
   Nijat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd


> How do you make it so that the stream will read RFB&D Books? I did not 
> find
> a place to enter a key code. Do I have to buy the sofware or something? I
> had the software for the bookport.
>
> -- 
> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nijat1989%40gmail.com 



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 22 03:24:33 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:24:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday,
	January  21, 09
In-Reply-To: <auto-000082603120@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <489988.25913.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know if this will be archived for MP3 download? I missed the program & would like to hear it. Sorry if I'm bringing up a topic that was already brought up, I didn't think to scan all my messages (since there were a lot).

--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org> wrote:
From: Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday, January  21, 09
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:28 AM


The next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" live internet radio show is
scheduled for January 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM EST.  The show will be  dedicated to
the importance, programs, and people who love Braille.  Mr. Ruffalo will
interview Jernigan Institute executive director, Mark Riccobono, New Jersey
Association to Promote the Use of Braille Co-chair, Mary Jo Partyka, and a young
Braille reader along with his proud parent.

Please visit <http://www.thruoureyes.org/>www.thruoureyes.org    on
Wednesday evening 01/21/09 at 8:00 PM EST  to hear this great program.





_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 22 04:09:06 2009
From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:09:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd
References: <ea6d2ed00901211907o6f0bf314od3f1f15745372db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL0-DAV462B75E2BBE248963D59C1B5CE0@phx.gbl>

you have to copy the cd files to folder that you made on the computer and 
then copy the folder from your computer to the stream to the $talking books 
folder when you restart the stream then open the book then it should as for 
key
from
Jacob Struiksma
jacobstruiksma at gmail.comwindows live messenger lawnmower84 at hotmail.com



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd


How do you make it so that the stream will read RFB&D Books? I did not find
a place to enter a key code. Do I have to buy the sofware or something? I
had the software for the bookport.

-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lawnmower84%40hotmail.com



From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 04:28:04 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:28:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV's in college classrooms
In-Reply-To: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>
References: <BA3FADB4AFD2488397B4F7CD3D8B67F5@Homelap>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAABNbUNaYPcdDqhNcVcOwJosBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hey Valerie,

For the most part, depending on your rehabilitation services, you should be
able to utilize most of the services you had in college. The main learning
curve you will need to be attentive to be making sure that the disability
director of your college addresses the allowance for assistive technology.
Some professors do not allow laptops or other electronic devices in the
class room, but by law we are given allowances. 

Now you may need to be flexible in regards to testing and quizzes. I have
had some professors that require me to take my tests on a dedicated computer
in disability services. Others were fine with me doing quizzes by email, and
when I am finished I emailed them my answers. Especially with oral quizzes,
for the email will indicate the time that the email was sent. 

Over all I hope that you will have an amazing college experience. I found my
high school experience to be annoying as I had jumped on a technology wagon
that most teachers had not. Since entering college four years ago, I have
found my laptop to be an almost seamless means of accessing worksheets, hand
outs, board notes, and more. Typically my only issue is procrastination, and
I figure that is simply in line with my sighted peers.

Mandarino,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of DocPerry
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:03 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV's in college classrooms

Hello you college folks, I need your experiences/opinions from
CCTV-BrailleNote-Zoomtext users. Did you use them in the classroom in high
school? What happened when you hit college (private, state, or university
college)? 

Curious as to the path ahead. Thanks, Valerie 
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.subscriber%40g
mail.com



From liamskitten at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 04:56:00 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:56:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday,
	January 21, 09
In-Reply-To: <489988.25913.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <auto-000082603120@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<489988.25913.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901212056j11465aa5kb0e687b8123db38b@mail.gmail.com>

Rob,

If you go to the link provided in the message above, there should be a
link on that page that says something like download this podcast.  If
you click on that, it should download.  Hope this helps.
Courtney

On 1/21/09, Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if this will be archived for MP3 download? I missed the
> program & would like to hear it. Sorry if I'm bringing up a topic that was
> already brought up, I didn't think to scan all my messages (since there were
> a lot).
>
> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org> wrote:
> From: Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday,
> January  21, 09
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:28 AM
>
>
> The next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" live internet radio show is
> scheduled for January 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM EST.  The show will be  dedicated
> to
> the importance, programs, and people who love Braille.  Mr. Ruffalo will
> interview Jernigan Institute executive director, Mark Riccobono, New Jersey
> Association to Promote the Use of Braille Co-chair, Mary Jo Partyka, and a
> young
> Braille reader along with his proud parent.
>
> Please visit <http://www.thruoureyes.org/>www.thruoureyes.org    on
> Wednesday evening 01/21/09 at 8:00 PM EST  to hear this great program.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 22 06:39:09 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 00:39:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Payed internship opportunity
Message-ID: <BBC2A918A93044EB92D5466B44F5BDEA@davee984e49f02>



PAID INTERNSHIPS and MENTORING for students with disabilities pursuing
computing!

The Department of Computer Science and Engineering at the University of
Washington and DO-IT (Disabilities, Opportunities, Internetworking, and
Technology) sponsor the AccessComputing Alliance for the purpose of
increasing the participation of people with disabilities in computing
careers. 
College students
with disabilities who are pursuing Computer Science and other computing
majors are encouraged to join the AccessComputing Team.

Team members are eligible for help with PAID COMPUTING INTERNSHIPS and

MENTORING. The application is at:

http://www.washington.edu/accesscomputing/team_app.html

This project is funded by the National Science Foundation. For more
information, or help with the application, students are encouraged to
contact Julie Grant (jago at u.washington.edu).

-- 

Julie Grant

Counselor/Coordinator Intern

DO-IT

Box 354842

University of Washington

Seattle, WA 98195-4842

http://www.washington.edu/doit/

PHONE: 206.685.3648 (Voice/TTY)  FAX: 206.221.4171


_______________________________________________
Youth-outreach mailing list
Youth-outreach at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/youth-outreach_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
Youth-outreach:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/youth-outreach_nfbnet.org/stacy_ce
rvenka%40brow


Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 11:18:53 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:18:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday,
	January  21, 09
References: <489988.25913.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002701c97c83$35f8fd40$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Thanks for asking. I had the same question since I missed it my self
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: 
Wednesday,January 21, 09


> Does anyone know if this will be archived for MP3 download? I missed the 
> program & would like to hear it. Sorry if I'm bringing up a topic that was 
> already brought up, I didn't think to scan all my messages (since there 
> were a lot).
>
> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org> wrote:
> From: Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday, 
> January  21, 09
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:28 AM
>
>
> The next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" live internet radio show is
> scheduled for January 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM EST.  The show will be 
> dedicated to
> the importance, programs, and people who love Braille.  Mr. Ruffalo will
> interview Jernigan Institute executive director, Mark Riccobono, New 
> Jersey
> Association to Promote the Use of Braille Co-chair, Mary Jo Partyka, and a 
> young
> Braille reader along with his proud parent.
>
> Please visit <http://www.thruoureyes.org/>www.thruoureyes.org    on
> Wednesday evening 01/21/09 at 8:00 PM EST  to hear this great program.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com 



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 22 14:53:01 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:53:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
References: <df5bac6d0901211754v74c72edpd83cbe1071098790@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7126478B65654CBEAA634134BF98DD53@Ashley>

Merisa, your messages are not coming through.  They are blank.


From david at rustytelephone.net  Thu Jan 22 21:31:55 2009
From: david at rustytelephone.net (David Sexton)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 11:31:55 -1000
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying Arabic
In-Reply-To: <F7A4D68B5E784B258C307E423868CCDE@SARAHLAPTOP>
References: <F7A4D68B5E784B258C307E423868CCDE@SARAHLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <4978E5CB.5000109@rustytelephone.net>

I will be studying Arabic soon in conjunction with international 
business and I'm searching for the braille Arabic alphabet.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
David Sexton


From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Jan 23 00:45:58 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:45:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
References: <009d01c97a72$7ac597c0$0201a8c0@Serene><C9CCF7E63E744BB4B1BE377F976FD904@labarre>
	<b6b933030901201841q7b16d087y1a01898fa1374bdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01c97cf3$f5ba1540$0201a8c0@Serene>

Good idea!  My friend might've already donet this, but I'll suggest it to 
him.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB


Hi all,

I had to fight a bit to receive support from my state for training at
LCB. Each case is different, but I'd highly recommend seeking advice
from your state affiliate president and/or chapter president during
this process. These people can tell you about particular language to
include in your justification that will convince rehab professionals
in your particular state. They can also write letters of their own or
even go with you to talk to rehab personally.

Arielle

On 1/20/09, Scott C. LaBarre <slabarre at labarrelaw.com> wrote:
> Greetings:
>
> Please feel free to contact me off list at the below information for some
> specific advice.  Generally, the key in appealing these decisions is to 
> make
> the argument that training offered at the CCB or wherever is unique and
> specifically tailored to help the individual blind person achieve his/her
> goals  and that existing programs in the state cannot do so as efficiently
> and effectively.  Every case is, however, different, and that is why I
> advise contacting me off list for  additionaly assistance.
> Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>
> LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
> 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
> Denver, Colorado 80222
> 303 504-5979 (voice)
> 303 757-3640 (fax)
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
> www.labarrelaw.com (website)
>
> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and 
> privileged
> information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read,
> copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in
> error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or 
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com,
> and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any 
> attachments
> are covered by the Electronic
> Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Commission for the Blind rejected funding for CCB
>
>
>> Hey guys
>>
>> One of my friends will be graduating high school and wants to go to the
>> adult program at Colorado Center for the Blind.  The state Commission for
>> the Blind refused to pay for it!  Has anybody had a problem in their 
>> state
>>
>> with the state agency for the blind refusing funding attendance at our 
>> NFB
>>
>> centers?  If yes, what arguments have you used to appeal the decision?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Serena
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Jan 23 00:52:33 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:52:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday,
	January  21, 09
References: <489988.25913.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c301c97cf4$e0f5cf40$0201a8c0@Serene>

I'm sure it will be archived, but I know nothing about MP3 files.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: 
Wednesday,January 21, 09


> Does anyone know if this will be archived for MP3 download? I missed the 
> program & would like to hear it. Sorry if I'm bringing up a topic that was 
> already brought up, I didn't think to scan all my messages (since there 
> were a lot).
>
> --- On Wed, 1/21/09, Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org> wrote:
> From: Riccobono, Mark <MRiccobono at nfb.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] thruoureyes: radio show, Braille Literacy: Wednesday, 
> January  21, 09
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 6:28 AM
>
>
> The next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" live internet radio show is
> scheduled for January 21, 2009 at 8:00 PM EST.  The show will be 
> dedicated to
> the importance, programs, and people who love Braille.  Mr. Ruffalo will
> interview Jernigan Institute executive director, Mark Riccobono, New 
> Jersey
> Association to Promote the Use of Braille Co-chair, Mary Jo Partyka, and a 
> young
> Braille reader along with his proud parent.
>
> Please visit <http://www.thruoureyes.org/>www.thruoureyes.org    on
> Wednesday evening 01/21/09 at 8:00 PM EST  to hear this great program.
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From marrie12 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 04:16:10 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:16:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] O.T. a message for desmin
Message-ID: <4880AAC3CF3E4546BC4C96BC5B51C827@sarahd0fffdcf6>

  Hello. I'm contacting desmin on behalf of someone else. Will this person
contact me off list? I  have a message from Amy Weaver for them.
 
Thanks.
 
Sarah Alawami
msn: chellist at hotmail.com
aim: kales2 at cox.net
skype: marrie1
website: http://www.marrie.org <http://www.marrie.org/> 
 

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 06:14:29 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:14:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
Message-ID: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there.

I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
this is the place to find the best input.

I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there are
other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would be
allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to wait
on Student Services and end up behind in the class.

Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a microphone
plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy. I
should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather sensitive,
so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged the
little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg to
stand on.

Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
this?

Please help,

Thank you,

-Jamie

From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 06:44:11 2009
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 00:44:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c97d26$00e72f70$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Jamie and listers,

    Since Student Services told you you could record lectures have them 
supply you with a statement in writing to give to the professor. Another 
solution would be to find out if he himself records his lectures and offers 
them as podcasts. My understanding is that many colleges and universities 
now offer podcasts of class lectures and other important events for their 
students. This is an alternative to recording class lectures yourself. It's 
another way to avoid haggling with the professor and student services for 
that matter. JMO.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:14 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


Hi there.

I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
this is the place to find the best input.

I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there are
other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would be
allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to wait
on Student Services and end up behind in the class.

Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a microphone
plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy. I
should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather sensitive,
so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged the
little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg to
stand on.

Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
this?

Please help,

Thank you,

-Jamie
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net 



From corbbo at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 06:58:23 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:58:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F85126C-D560-4282-92CF-498CAF369F06@gmail.com>

I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found works  
well is to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain  
information in different ways than other students. With these  
alternative techniques, you have access to the same information as  
your sighted classmates. Then assure the professor that you won't use  
the taped lectures in any way except for yourself--to learn. If you  
encounter resistance, you should follow the bureaucracy--in some  
schools that means going to Student Services and letting their  
Director make the contact, or by going to the director of the  
department in which the professor teaches.

Best of luck, and keep us posted.
Corbb


-----
Corbb O'Connor
The George Washington University '10
B.A. Political Communication & Economics

On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:

Hi there.

I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it,  
but I
encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I  
think
this is the place to find the best input.

I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here  
(there are
other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but  
they
get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first  
enrolled
was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I  
would be
allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do  
this
is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings,  
visual
aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make  
sure I
have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a  
note
taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have  
to wait
on Student Services and end up behind in the class.

Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a  
microphone
plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it  
was
okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self  
advocacy. I
should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged  
for me
to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any  
part
of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather  
sensitive,
so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and  
unplugged the
little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though  
I am
missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a  
leg to
stand on.

Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can  
he do
this?

Please help,

Thank you,

-Jamie
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for  
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com



From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 08:02:31 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 03:02:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <4F85126C-D560-4282-92CF-498CAF369F06@gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F85126C-D560-4282-92CF-498CAF369F06@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901230002w56253700xc853d70b34ebefda@mail.gmail.com>

What baffles me most though is that this professor claims to have worked
for/with the NFB on something... or he might have said ACB or AFB. He wasn't
really specific. He just said vaguely, "the blind association". But if he
was serious, you'd think he might know already that a blind person obviously
needs to use some alternatives to gather information.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found works well is
> to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain information in
> different ways than other students. With these alternative techniques, you
> have access to the same information as your sighted classmates. Then assure
> the professor that you won't use the taped lectures in any way except for
> yourself--to learn. If you encounter resistance, you should follow the
> bureaucracy--in some schools that means going to Student Services and
> letting their Director make the contact, or by going to the director of the
> department in which the professor teaches.
>
> Best of luck, and keep us posted.
> Corbb
>
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:
>
> Hi there.
>
> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
> this is the place to find the best input.
>
> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there
> are
> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would
> be
> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to
> wait
> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>
> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a
> microphone
> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy.
> I
> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather
> sensitive,
> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged
> the
> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg
> to
> stand on.
>
> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
> this?
>
> Please help,
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jamie
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 23 09:28:52 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 01:28:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fire Vox for accessibility to Firefox on the Mac
Message-ID: <259403.65491.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I have recently installed the FireVox plug in for Firefox on my Mac. I'm using it in conjunction with VoiceOver and the System Zoom. It's interesting because it's not necessarily a plug in for VoiceOver, which can make things a little tricky. Activating it is definitely something that requires sited assistance. Once you get it running, and select your voice, then you must learn your way around the browser. Forget using the VoiceOver cursor though, as it basically leaves you stranded at the top of the browser where the title bar, close minimize maximize, and menu buttons are. Has anyone else tried it? If so what do you think? This is certainly different from anything I've ever seen before.



      

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 23 15:21:59 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:21:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com><4F85126C-D560-4282-92CF-498CAF369F06@gmail.com>
	<63af025c0901230002w56253700xc853d70b34ebefda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63A9D81D65044A5981FA83C4B99B9732@D3ZCJ891>

Unless it's something that is being patented or something, you should be 
allowed to record. It sounds like the professor and the disabilities office 
need to have a meeting.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


What baffles me most though is that this professor claims to have worked
for/with the NFB on something... or he might have said ACB or AFB. He wasn't
really specific. He just said vaguely, "the blind association". But if he
was serious, you'd think he might know already that a blind person obviously
needs to use some alternatives to gather information.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found works well is
> to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain information in
> different ways than other students. With these alternative techniques, you
> have access to the same information as your sighted classmates. Then 
> assure
> the professor that you won't use the taped lectures in any way except for
> yourself--to learn. If you encounter resistance, you should follow the
> bureaucracy--in some schools that means going to Student Services and
> letting their Director make the contact, or by going to the director of 
> the
> department in which the professor teaches.
>
> Best of luck, and keep us posted.
> Corbb
>
>
> -----
> Corbb O'Connor
> The George Washington University '10
> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>
> On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:
>
> Hi there.
>
> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I 
> think
> this is the place to find the best input.
>
> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there
> are
> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would
> be
> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, 
> visual
> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a 
> note
> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to
> wait
> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>
> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a
> microphone
> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy.
> I
> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for 
> me
> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any 
> part
> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather
> sensitive,
> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged
> the
> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I 
> am
> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg
> to
> stand on.
>
> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he 
> do
> this?
>
> Please help,
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jamie
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 23 15:26:22 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:26:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>

Also, is it on the board or the over head? If it is an overhead or slide 
show, it may be possible to obtain this from the professor. What serves you 
better, tactile graphics or descriptions?
Did the professor give a reason, or just simply say that it was not allowed?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


Hi there.

I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
this is the place to find the best input.

I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there are
other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would be
allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to wait
on Student Services and end up behind in the class.

Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a microphone
plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy. I
should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather sensitive,
so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged the
little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg to
stand on.

Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
this?

Please help,

Thank you,

-Jamie
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 15:51:49 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 10:51:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901230751g78dd5e08ob02f930bf74943c0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jamie! Your best bet is to first go to the professor, and tell him
that recording your class is a reasonable accomodation under ADA title
2. If you encounter further difficulties, I would then go to the
student services and tell them what you encountered, and ask for their
assistance.
Hth!
Merisa

On 1/23/09, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
> this is the place to find the best input.
>
> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there are
> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would be
> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to wait
> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>
> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a microphone
> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy. I
> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather sensitive,
> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged the
> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg to
> stand on.
>
> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
> this?
>
> Please help,
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jamie
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>


From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 23 16:26:35 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:26:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>

What I would do if I were you is have a reader explain to you what was 
written on the board. Also, I would take a college readiness class after the 
semester is over. This would teach you to take notes efficiently on the 
Braille Note. I use to record lectures in college. While there is nothing 
wrong with that, I learned it was much easier to take notes on my Braille 
Note. I will talk to you later.



From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 23 16:31:27 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:31:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
Message-ID: <747690AAF12E46D2AA0D2055CAD2D223@usore540475a8f>

Hello Nabsters. Where can I get Ken Jernigan's speeches? I tried the NFB web site. But they don't seem to have a link to the banquet speeches anymore. I am looking for the speech that talks about where the wing meets the body. I will talk to you later. Thanks in advance for the information.

From tinadt at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 17:43:20 2009
From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas )
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 09:43:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
In-Reply-To: <747690AAF12E46D2AA0D2055CAD2D223@usore540475a8f>
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1772982251.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Hi Kevin- 
You can find Dr. Jernigan's speeches under publications on the NFB web site.
Click on publications scroll down to banquet speeches click the link and
scroll down to banquet speeches 1968-1986 press enter and the speech your
are looking for  is called Blindness Of Visions and Vultures. 
HTH 
Tina  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Kevin Wassmer
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:31 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches

Hello Nabsters. Where can I get Ken Jernigan's speeches? I tried the NFB web
site. But they don't seem to have a link to the banquet speeches anymore. I
am looking for the speech that talks about where the wing meets the body. I
will talk to you later. Thanks in advance for the information.
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.n
et

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG. 
Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009
7:28 AM
 

No virus found in this outgoing message.
Checked by AVG. 
Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009
7:28 AM
 



From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Jan 23 18:15:48 2009
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:15:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
References: <747690AAF12E46D2AA0D2055CAD2D223@usore540475a8f>
Message-ID: <B8038997F08B4496ADF126DC5D2303EA@labarre>

All the banquet speechs are there in a variety of formats.  Go to the main 
page, click publications, and then click the speechs and reports.  From 
there, you can follow links to national banquet speechs etc.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message may contain confidential and privileged 
information. If you are not the designated recipient, you may not read, 
copy, distribute or retain this message. If you received this message in 
error, please notify the sender at 303) 504-5979 or slabarre at labarrelaw.com, 
and destroy and delete it from your system. This message and any attachments 
are covered by the Electronic
Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. §§ 2510-2521.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wassmer" <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches


> Hello Nabsters. Where can I get Ken Jernigan's speeches? I tried the NFB 
> web site. But they don't seem to have a link to the banquet speeches 
> anymore. I am looking for the speech that talks about where the wing meets 
> the body. I will talk to you later. Thanks in advance for the information.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/slabarre%40labarrelaw.com
> 




From brsmith2424 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 18:17:54 2009
From: brsmith2424 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:17:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
	<8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>
Message-ID: <e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>

Plenty of students obtain permission to record lectures for future
reference. Doing so does not indicate a lack of note-taking skills.
Moreover, the student indicated that she uses the recorded notes only
as a supplement to notes taken on her laptop, and primarily as an aid
for reference concerning diagrams, pictures, and other details. In
this situation a reader might actually be more cumbersome than
helpful, time-consuming, and distracting.

I do think that prior permission from the instructor, not just with
the DSO, should have been obtained. Even with approved accommodations
many people are initially uncomfortable with the idea of being
recorded. It would have probably been a good idea to inform the
professor before hand that you needed to record portions of the
lecture; but even so, you should be able to discuss the issue with the
professor further during his/her office hours. You're not the first
student to record, and you probably won't be the last. If you still
have problems, then you might need to bring officials from your DSO
office.

Brice

On 1/23/09, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> What I would do if I were you is have a reader explain to you what was
> written on the board. Also, I would take a college readiness class after the
> semester is over. This would teach you to take notes efficiently on the
> Braille Note. I use to record lectures in college. While there is nothing
> wrong with that, I learned it was much easier to take notes on my Braille
> Note. I will talk to you later.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith2424%40gmail.com
>


From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 23 18:17:56 2009
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:17:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
References: <747690AAF12E46D2AA0D2055CAD2D223@usore540475a8f>
Message-ID: <005601c97d86$eb326d50$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

    Here is the direct link to the archive of NFB Banquet Speeches:
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Speeches_and_Reports_Banquet_Speeches.asp?SnID=442094485


    The page is still there safe and sound. You can get to it from the NFB 
Home Page by going to "Publications" and then to "National Convention 
Banquet Speeches." No they didn't go away.

Peter Donahue

the
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wassmer" <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:31 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches


Hello Nabsters. Where can I get Ken Jernigan's speeches? I tried the NFB web 
site. But they don't seem to have a link to the banquet speeches anymore. I 
am looking for the speech that talks about where the wing meets the body. I 
will talk to you later. Thanks in advance for the information.
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net 



From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 23 18:43:50 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 11:43:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
References: <200901231315.1lqqzgZV3Nl36u2@mx-dipper.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4F4ADE2F0B5A474EB98ACA7037D834F1@usore540475a8f>

Well, I did find the speach. I just used a sirch option. But thanks for the 
tip. I might need it again soon. I will talk to you later.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tina thomas " <tinadt at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches


> Hi Kevin-
> You can find Dr. Jernigan's speeches under publications on the NFB web 
> site.
> Click on publications scroll down to banquet speeches click the link and
> scroll down to banquet speeches 1968-1986 press enter and the speech your
> are looking for  is called Blindness Of Visions and Vultures.
> HTH
> Tina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Kevin Wassmer
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:31 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
>
> Hello Nabsters. Where can I get Ken Jernigan's speeches? I tried the NFB 
> web
> site. But they don't seem to have a link to the banquet speeches anymore. 
> I
> am looking for the speech that talks about where the wing meets the body. 
> I
> will talk to you later. Thanks in advance for the information.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.n
> et
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 
> 1/23/2009
> 7:28 AM
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG.
> Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 
> 1/23/2009
> 7:28 AM
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/commanderlumpy2003%40earthlink.net
> 



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 19:52:05 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 06:52:05 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
In-Reply-To: <005601c97d86$eb326d50$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <747690AAF12E46D2AA0D2055CAD2D223@usore540475a8f>
	<005601c97d86$eb326d50$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <b6b933030901231152k50755e28meb6dd3bfbea9e7b1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kevin,

The speech to which you refer is called "Of Visions and Vultures" and
it's a classic--I'd recommend it to anyone  who hasn't read it before.
The analogy of a vulture is used to describe the problem of blindness
and how we have to break it down and tackle it at its heart, "where
the wing meets the body".

Arielle

On 1/24/09, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>     Here is the direct link to the archive of NFB Banquet Speeches:
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Speeches_and_Reports_Banquet_Speeches.asp?SnID=442094485
>
>
>     The page is still there safe and sound. You can get to it from the NFB
> Home Page by going to "Publications" and then to "National Convention
> Banquet Speeches." No they didn't go away.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> the
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Wassmer" <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:31 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ken Jernigans speaches
>
>
> Hello Nabsters. Where can I get Ken Jernigan's speeches? I tried the NFB web
> site. But they don't seem to have a link to the banquet speeches anymore. I
> am looking for the speech that talks about where the wing meets the body. I
> will talk to you later. Thanks in advance for the information.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Sat Jan 24 01:53:31 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:53:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com><346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891><8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>
	<e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CFA913160914A6AAC977C8DFADFE69E@UNCGL3A8463>

I record all of my classes, and my professors for this semester are very
willing to work with me. Like many of you I use my digital recorder in
addition to taking notes on my laptop. The recording supplements the
information that I might have missed while concentrating on writing down
what the professor is saying. If your professor is vhiamently opposed to you
recording their class, I would ask the Office Of Disability Services on your
campus to speak with them, and to maybe also include recording classes as an
accommodation in your accommodations letter if your College provides you
with accommodations letters to give your professors. I meet with the Office
Of Disability Services at the beginning of every semester to discuss
accommodations that I believe I will need for my classes. The letter itself
does not change very much from semester to semester, but it is an official
supplement accompanying the accommodations that I talk about with my
professors.
Kolby

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Brice Smith
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?

Plenty of students obtain permission to record lectures for future
reference. Doing so does not indicate a lack of note-taking skills.
Moreover, the student indicated that she uses the recorded notes only
as a supplement to notes taken on her laptop, and primarily as an aid
for reference concerning diagrams, pictures, and other details. In
this situation a reader might actually be more cumbersome than
helpful, time-consuming, and distracting.

I do think that prior permission from the instructor, not just with
the DSO, should have been obtained. Even with approved accommodations
many people are initially uncomfortable with the idea of being
recorded. It would have probably been a good idea to inform the
professor before hand that you needed to record portions of the
lecture; but even so, you should be able to discuss the issue with the
professor further during his/her office hours. You're not the first
student to record, and you probably won't be the last. If you still
have problems, then you might need to bring officials from your DSO
office.

Brice

On 1/23/09, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> What I would do if I were you is have a reader explain to you what was
> written on the board. Also, I would take a college readiness class after
the
> semester is over. This would teach you to take notes efficiently on the
> Braille Note. I use to record lectures in college. While there is nothing
> wrong with that, I learned it was much easier to take notes on my Braille
> Note. I will talk to you later.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brsmith2424%40gmail.
com
>

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kolbygarrison%40tria
d.rr.com



From sarah at growingstrong.org  Sat Jan 24 02:35:40 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:35:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com><346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891><8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f><e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CFA913160914A6AAC977C8DFADFE69E@UNCGL3A8463>
Message-ID: <3E7E8A9A28B8403F82EEC71F27E68C4C@TINYLAPTOP>

Many students with good note-taking skills use a recorder as a supplementary 
method. There are many reasons why this can be helpful. Being able to go 
back through a recording can enable me to write down material that was read 
from a handout or PowerPoint very quickly during class.Other students would 
have the time to write this information down while other discussion is going 
on or to take notes in the margins. Having a copy of the handout is helpful; 
but this does not allow for putting together how the handout and the other 
information might be related. Depending on a professor's lecture style, this 
kind of information can be extremely valuable.

A recorder has also been invaluable to me in the event that my technology 
broke down or battery died in the middle of class. It has not happened often 
but has happened a time or two. I am a good slate user; but there are 
certain advantages in using a laptop for note-taking.

Occasionally I have run into a professor who was lecturing using material 
that was intended for publication.Once in a while such a professor will ask 
not to be recorded. Sometimes professors have asked me to sign a form saying 
that I will not distribute the recordings. I am perfectly happy to do this.


I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/



From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 02:41:31 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:41:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <3E7E8A9A28B8403F82EEC71F27E68C4C@TINYLAPTOP>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
	<8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>
	<e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CFA913160914A6AAC977C8DFADFE69E@UNCGL3A8463>
	<3E7E8A9A28B8403F82EEC71F27E68C4C@TINYLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901231841g7cdf750fmb9ef1960004958d1@mail.gmail.com>

That information will help me a lot when I put together a letter to Student
Services and to the professor. Here he isn't worried about selling his
lectures. He doesn't produce them for publishing purposes, nor does he
record them himself. He told me that he doesn't want things he says to get
wildly distorted and end up on the internet. I'm not sure how to address
that one.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Sarah J. Blake <sarah at growingstrong.org>wrote:

> Many students with good note-taking skills use a recorder as a
> supplementary method. There are many reasons why this can be helpful. Being
> able to go back through a recording can enable me to write down material
> that was read from a handout or PowerPoint very quickly during class.Other
> students would have the time to write this information down while other
> discussion is going on or to take notes in the margins. Having a copy of the
> handout is helpful; but this does not allow for putting together how the
> handout and the other information might be related. Depending on a
> professor's lecture style, this kind of information can be extremely
> valuable.
>
> A recorder has also been invaluable to me in the event that my technology
> broke down or battery died in the middle of class. It has not happened often
> but has happened a time or two. I am a good slate user; but there are
> certain advantages in using a laptop for note-taking.
>
> Occasionally I have run into a professor who was lecturing using material
> that was intended for publication.Once in a while such a professor will ask
> not to be recorded. Sometimes professors have asked me to sign a form saying
> that I will not distribute the recordings. I am perfectly happy to do this.
>
>
> I'm protected by SpamBrave
> http://www.spambrave.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Jan 24 02:53:02 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:53:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <20090123215302.kn0sux0eus844wso@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Some profs are real sticklers on officiality - one of my profs told me  
I couldn't record anything of his until he received official word from  
accessibility servies that it was a recognized accommodation. So  
whoever said you need it in writing from student services is  
absolutely right. It's not that they're mean necessarily - they just  
don't want people using it as a way to miss class cause they know  
their friend will record it for them or whatnot. I hope things get  
better for you.
Sarah

Quoting "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>:

> Also, is it on the board or the over head? If it is an overhead or slide
> show, it may be possible to obtain this from the professor. What serves you
> better, tactile graphics or descriptions?
> Did the professor give a reason, or just simply say that it was not allowed?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
>
>
> Hi there.
>
> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
> this is the place to find the best input.
>
> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there are
> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would be
> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to wait
> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>
> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a microphone
> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy. I
> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather sensitive,
> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged the
> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg to
> stand on.
>
> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
> this?
>
> Please help,
>
> Thank you,
>
> -Jamie
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40utoronto.ca
>





From liamskitten at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 03:26:50 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:26:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901231841g7cdf750fmb9ef1960004958d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
	<8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>
	<e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CFA913160914A6AAC977C8DFADFE69E@UNCGL3A8463>
	<3E7E8A9A28B8403F82EEC71F27E68C4C@TINYLAPTOP>
	<63af025c0901231841g7cdf750fmb9ef1960004958d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901231926g6d69762elbe8d05f031692355@mail.gmail.com>

Jamie,

My only real thought for addressing his concerns about his words being
distorted is to inform him that you will be only using his lectures
for personal use, and not distributing them, meaning that you would
have no reason to put them on the Internet.  If he doesn't provide an
alternative like a podcast to what your student services office has
deemed a reasonable accomodation, I don't see that he has a leg to
stand on, especially if you get a letter of accomodation as others on
the list have suggested.
Courtney

On 1/23/09, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> That information will help me a lot when I put together a letter to Student
> Services and to the professor. Here he isn't worried about selling his
> lectures. He doesn't produce them for publishing purposes, nor does he
> record them himself. He told me that he doesn't want things he says to get
> wildly distorted and end up on the internet. I'm not sure how to address
> that one.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Sarah J. Blake
> <sarah at growingstrong.org>wrote:
>
>> Many students with good note-taking skills use a recorder as a
>> supplementary method. There are many reasons why this can be helpful.
>> Being
>> able to go back through a recording can enable me to write down material
>> that was read from a handout or PowerPoint very quickly during class.Other
>> students would have the time to write this information down while other
>> discussion is going on or to take notes in the margins. Having a copy of
>> the
>> handout is helpful; but this does not allow for putting together how the
>> handout and the other information might be related. Depending on a
>> professor's lecture style, this kind of information can be extremely
>> valuable.
>>
>> A recorder has also been invaluable to me in the event that my technology
>> broke down or battery died in the middle of class. It has not happened
>> often
>> but has happened a time or two. I am a good slate user; but there are
>> certain advantages in using a laptop for note-taking.
>>
>> Occasionally I have run into a professor who was lecturing using material
>> that was intended for publication.Once in a while such a professor will
>> ask
>> not to be recorded. Sometimes professors have asked me to sign a form
>> saying
>> that I will not distribute the recordings. I am perfectly happy to do
>> this.
>>
>>
>> I'm protected by SpamBrave
>> http://www.spambrave.com/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jan 24 04:41:19 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:41:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00901211907o6f0bf314od3f1f15745372db0@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <ea6d2ed00901211907o6f0bf314od3f1f15745372db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000084961120@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You have to buy a key from RFB&D for $20 -- different from BookPort key.

Dave

At 09:07 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>How do you make it so that the stream will read RFB&D Books? I did not find
>a place to enter a key code. Do I have to buy the sofware or something? I
>had the software for the bookport.
>
>--
>Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date: 
>1/22/2009 7:08 AM



From blindhistory at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 05:15:08 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:15:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20901231926g6d69762elbe8d05f031692355@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
	<346F73860D7A4F2FAF3F321637865D8E@D3ZCJ891>
	<8E48EB21FC914B9DB0AD61566400A438@usore540475a8f>
	<e37a61680901231017g4ec0e27fjcbf6d5cce3731cdf@mail.gmail.com>
	<3CFA913160914A6AAC977C8DFADFE69E@UNCGL3A8463>
	<3E7E8A9A28B8403F82EEC71F27E68C4C@TINYLAPTOP>
	<63af025c0901231841g7cdf750fmb9ef1960004958d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7949e5e20901231926g6d69762elbe8d05f031692355@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901232115j11fca535r972be0f0d5eba674@mail.gmail.com>

I missed the first part of the thread so I don't know what class this is in
reference to. I had a french professor who didn't want us to record his
lectures because he would purposefully speak poor french and then correct it
later on in his lecture. He didn't want us to learn the wrong material and
get confused by his lectures.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jamie,
>
> My only real thought for addressing his concerns about his words being
> distorted is to inform him that you will be only using his lectures
> for personal use, and not distributing them, meaning that you would
> have no reason to put them on the Internet.  If he doesn't provide an
> alternative like a podcast to what your student services office has
> deemed a reasonable accomodation, I don't see that he has a leg to
> stand on, especially if you get a letter of accomodation as others on
> the list have suggested.
> Courtney
>
> On 1/23/09, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> > That information will help me a lot when I put together a letter to
> Student
> > Services and to the professor. Here he isn't worried about selling his
> > lectures. He doesn't produce them for publishing purposes, nor does he
> > record them himself. He told me that he doesn't want things he says to
> get
> > wildly distorted and end up on the internet. I'm not sure how to address
> > that one.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:35 PM, Sarah J. Blake
> > <sarah at growingstrong.org>wrote:
> >
> >> Many students with good note-taking skills use a recorder as a
> >> supplementary method. There are many reasons why this can be helpful.
> >> Being
> >> able to go back through a recording can enable me to write down material
> >> that was read from a handout or PowerPoint very quickly during
> class.Other
> >> students would have the time to write this information down while other
> >> discussion is going on or to take notes in the margins. Having a copy of
> >> the
> >> handout is helpful; but this does not allow for putting together how the
> >> handout and the other information might be related. Depending on a
> >> professor's lecture style, this kind of information can be extremely
> >> valuable.
> >>
> >> A recorder has also been invaluable to me in the event that my
> technology
> >> broke down or battery died in the middle of class. It has not happened
> >> often
> >> but has happened a time or two. I am a good slate user; but there are
> >> certain advantages in using a laptop for note-taking.
> >>
> >> Occasionally I have run into a professor who was lecturing using
> material
> >> that was intended for publication.Once in a while such a professor will
> >> ask
> >> not to be recorded. Sometimes professors have asked me to sign a form
> >> saying
> >> that I will not distribute the recordings. I am perfectly happy to do
> >> this.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm protected by SpamBrave
> >> http://www.spambrave.com/
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>  >
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From blindhistory at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 06:43:11 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora and Myrtle)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 23:43:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] stream and frbd
In-Reply-To: <auto-000084961120@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <ea6d2ed00901211907o6f0bf314od3f1f15745372db0@mail.gmail.com>
	<auto-000084961120@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00901232243x17cde22bv35fc245e7ed724d6@mail.gmail.com>

ok got a victor stream key thanks guys.

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 9:41 PM, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:

> You have to buy a key from RFB&D for $20 -- different from BookPort key.
>
> Dave
>
>
> At 09:07 PM 1/21/2009, you wrote:
>
>>  How do you make it so that the stream will read RFB&D Books? I did not
>> find
>> a place to enter a key code. Do I have to buy the sofware or something? I
>> had the software for the bookport.
>>
>> --
>> Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1909 - Release Date:
>> 1/22/2009 7:08 AM
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindhistory%40gmail.com
>



-- 
Lora and Leader Dog Myrtle

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 06:44:31 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 22:44:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090124064431.GA9188@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The department of education says that you have the right to record your 
classes as a blind person.  I don't have the exact portion of the law in 
question handy to cite, but perhaps someone else might.

Joseph

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 01:14:29AM -0500, Jamie Principato wrote:
>Hi there.
>
>I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
>encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I think
>this is the place to find the best input.
>
>I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there are
>other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but they
>get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
>was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would be
>allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
>wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
>recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do this
>is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, visual
>aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
>notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
>have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a note
>taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to wait
>on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>
>Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a microphone
>plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
>okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self advocacy. I
>should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for me
>to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
>otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any part
>of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather sensitive,
>so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged the
>little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I am
>missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
>reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
>intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg to
>stand on.
>
>Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he do
>this?
>
>Please help,
>
>Thank you,
>
>-Jamie


From graduate56 at juno.com  Sat Jan 24 08:05:43 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (melissa Green)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:05:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <63af025c0901222214y633ac081v25958847ee033639@mail.gmail.com><4F85126C-D560-4282-92CF-498CAF369F06@gmail.com>
	<63af025c0901230002w56253700xc853d70b34ebefda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <672B587195EC4988841DA2872C1968F4@melissagreen>

There has been so many stories in the news about people using tape recorders 
in the classrooms.  Then turning them over to a tv station or something 
because the professor said something that is seen as offensive.
There was a story on the news about a recording of a class where the prof 
said something about police crossing the line.  Of course the tape was 
turned over and I said to my roommate.  That is going to effect blind people 
in the long run.

Melissa R. Green
Every answer asks a more beautiful question. --e e cummings


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie Principato" <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


> What baffles me most though is that this professor claims to have worked
> for/with the NFB on something... or he might have said ACB or AFB. He 
> wasn't
> really specific. He just said vaguely, "the blind association". But if he
> was serious, you'd think he might know already that a blind person 
> obviously
> needs to use some alternatives to gather information.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found works well 
>> is
>> to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain information in
>> different ways than other students. With these alternative techniques, 
>> you
>> have access to the same information as your sighted classmates. Then 
>> assure
>> the professor that you won't use the taped lectures in any way except for
>> yourself--to learn. If you encounter resistance, you should follow the
>> bureaucracy--in some schools that means going to Student Services and
>> letting their Director make the contact, or by going to the director of 
>> the
>> department in which the professor teaches.
>>
>> Best of luck, and keep us posted.
>> Corbb
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:
>>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it, but I
>> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I 
>> think
>> this is the place to find the best input.
>>
>> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here (there
>> are
>> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but 
>> they
>> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first enrolled
>> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I would
>> be
>> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
>> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as I am only
>> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do 
>> this
>> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings, 
>> visual
>> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
>> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make sure I
>> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a 
>> note
>> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't have to
>> wait
>> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>>
>> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a
>> microphone
>> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it was
>> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self 
>> advocacy.
>> I
>> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged for 
>> me
>> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
>> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any 
>> part
>> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather
>> sensitive,
>> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and unplugged
>> the
>> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though I 
>> am
>> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
>> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a little
>> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't have a leg
>> to
>> stand on.
>>
>> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can he 
>> do
>> this?
>>
>> Please help,
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> -Jamie
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com
> 

____________________________________________________________
Build your own franchise. Click here to find your opportunity match!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2TDvcET4O7fIENsKeUb98eaotZ71FlARS0XnWFXYGX6Uwfn/


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 24 20:55:51 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:55:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
In-Reply-To: <672B587195EC4988841DA2872C1968F4@melissagreen>
Message-ID: <51.93897.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

It's a shame things like this happen to make life more difficult for us. 

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
From: melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:05 AM

There has been so many stories in the news about people using tape recorders in
the classrooms.  Then turning them over to a tv station or something because the
professor said something that is seen as offensive.
There was a story on the news about a recording of a class where the prof said
something about police crossing the line.  Of course the tape was turned over
and I said to my roommate.  That is going to effect blind people in the long
run.

Melissa R. Green
Every answer asks a more beautiful question. --e e cummings


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Principato"
<blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


> What baffles me most though is that this professor claims to have worked
> for/with the NFB on something... or he might have said ACB or AFB. He
wasn't
> really specific. He just said vaguely, "the blind association".
But if he
> was serious, you'd think he might know already that a blind person
obviously
> needs to use some alternatives to gather information.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Corbb O'Connor
<corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found
works well is
>> to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain information in
>> different ways than other students. With these alternative techniques,
you
>> have access to the same information as your sighted classmates. Then
assure
>> the professor that you won't use the taped lectures in any way
except for
>> yourself--to learn. If you encounter resistance, you should follow the
>> bureaucracy--in some schools that means going to Student Services and
>> letting their Director make the contact, or by going to the director
of the
>> department in which the professor teaches.
>> 
>> Best of luck, and keep us posted.
>> Corbb
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it,
but I
>> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I
think
>> this is the place to find the best input.
>> 
>> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here
(there
>> are
>> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but
they
>> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first
enrolled
>> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I
would
>> be
>> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
>> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as
I am only
>> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do
this
>> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings,
visual
>> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
>> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make
sure I
>> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a
note
>> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't
have to
>> wait
>> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>> 
>> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a
>> microphone
>> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it
was
>> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self
advocacy.
>> I
>> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged
for me
>> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
>> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any
part
>> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather
>> sensitive,
>> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and
unplugged
>> the
>> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though
I am
>> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
>> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a
little
>> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't
have a leg
>> to
>> stand on.
>> 
>> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can
he do
>> this?
>> 
>> Please help,
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> -Jamie
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com
> 

____________________________________________________________
Build your own franchise. Click here to find your opportunity match!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2TDvcET4O7fIENsKeUb98eaotZ71FlARS0XnWFXYGX6Uwfn/

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jan 24 22:04:00 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 14:04:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
References: <51.93897.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D9110DCD78D0405DB409A83E9477511D@D3ZCJ891>

One bad apple spoils the whole barrel.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


It's a shame things like this happen to make life more difficult for us.

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
From: melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:05 AM

There has been so many stories in the news about people using tape recorders 
in
the classrooms.  Then turning them over to a tv station or something because 
the
professor said something that is seen as offensive.
There was a story on the news about a recording of a class where the prof 
said
something about police crossing the line.  Of course the tape was turned 
over
and I said to my roommate.  That is going to effect blind people in the long
run.

Melissa R. Green
Every answer asks a more beautiful question. --e e cummings


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Principato"
<blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?


> What baffles me most though is that this professor claims to have worked
> for/with the NFB on something... or he might have said ACB or AFB. He
wasn't
> really specific. He just said vaguely, "the blind association".
But if he
> was serious, you'd think he might know already that a blind person
obviously
> needs to use some alternatives to gather information.
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Corbb O'Connor
<corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found
works well is
>> to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain information in
>> different ways than other students. With these alternative techniques,
you
>> have access to the same information as your sighted classmates. Then
assure
>> the professor that you won't use the taped lectures in any way
except for
>> yourself--to learn. If you encounter resistance, you should follow the
>> bureaucracy--in some schools that means going to Student Services and
>> letting their Director make the contact, or by going to the director
of the
>> department in which the professor teaches.
>>
>> Best of luck, and keep us posted.
>> Corbb
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:
>>
>> Hi there.
>>
>> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it,
but I
>> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I
think
>> this is the place to find the best input.
>>
>> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here
(there
>> are
>> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but
they
>> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first
enrolled
>> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I
would
>> be
>> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
>> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as
I am only
>> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do
this
>> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings,
visual
>> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
>> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make
sure I
>> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a
note
>> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't
have to
>> wait
>> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>>
>> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a
>> microphone
>> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it
was
>> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self
advocacy.
>> I
>> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged
for me
>> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
>> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any
part
>> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather
>> sensitive,
>> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and
unplugged
>> the
>> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though
I am
>> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
>> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a
little
>> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't
have a leg
>> to
>> stand on.
>>
>> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can
he do
>> this?
>>
>> Please help,
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> -Jamie
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com
>

____________________________________________________________
Build your own franchise. Click here to find your opportunity match!
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2TDvcET4O7fIENsKeUb98eaotZ71FlARS0XnWFXYGX6Uwfn/

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com




_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From jenny26 at tds.net  Sun Jan 25 01:02:54 2009
From: jenny26 at tds.net (Jennifer Hall)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:02:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program
References: <783686.90215.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<auto-000082215072@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <12D6EFD73FC3454BAF3D95FA5E77E030@jennifercf6a01>

Hi David.  Sorry to bother you this way, but I am wanting to begin receiving 
my emails for the NABS list and Promotion Technology list in the Digest 
format.  I have tried to do this the only way I know how and have no 
success.  Your help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!  Jennifer
Jennifer B. Hall
(270) 988-2816 Home
(270) 559-1780 Mobile
jennib1976 at gmail.com
www.myspace.com/jennifersconnection
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NLS Flash Book Program


> The NLS player isn't available yet.  You should contact your regional 
> library to get on their list if you want one.  It is larger then the 
> Stream.  The Stream cartridge adapter isn't available yet, but either are 
> the books on cartridge, so it doesn't matter yet.
>
> If you want a portable player, the Stream is your choice, if a desktop 
> type player, more like the C1, then the NLS machine will be a better 
> choice.
>
> Dave
>
> At 08:46 PM 1/17/2009, you wrote:
>>Has anyone received an ounce of information regarding the circulation of 
>>the new flash players? If I turn in my overdue one dozen books that I 
>>never got around to reading (and probably won't thanks to being back in 
>>the school books), I want to turn in my C-1 as well. I noticed the User's 
>>Guide of the Victor Reader Stream makes mention of the NLS Flash Cartridge 
>>accessory, so I'm wondering if that's available for purchase. I'm also 
>>trying to decide on the Victor Stream or NLS's own player. Any information 
>>on this would be appreciated. Thanks. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>nabs-l:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.8/1899 - Release Date: 1/17/2009 
>>5:50 PM
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jenny26%40tds.net
> 




From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 05:07:08 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 00:07:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Stupid Question
Message-ID: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,

The subject line forewarned you of the ignorance of my question, so don't
laugh!

I was wondering how a blind person on crutches or a person on a wheelchair
gets around?  Something tells me I should be able to figure out the response
to this question, and yet my own ideas sound ignorant.  Last night was the
second time I almost broke my leg while training in judo.  Actually, after
pulling a dumb little stunt I also felt as though I came close to breaking
my neck, and I don't know.  I figure it would be good to know what options
are available to people in such situations...just in case...  I know the
Seeing Eye has trained some of their dogs to escort people on wheelchairs,
but even this arrangement seems to present its own unique circumstances.

Anyway, thanks for any feedback to my random inquiry.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jan 25 05:54:49 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:54:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] No it's not Re:  Stupid Question
References: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <F2B72BEBFB104B0E8B61F8D553A2F1DC@D3ZCJ891>

Don't know too much about the answer, but change that subject! There's no 
such thing as a silly question.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:07 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Stupid Question


Hello all,

The subject line forewarned you of the ignorance of my question, so don't
laugh!

I was wondering how a blind person on crutches or a person on a wheelchair
gets around?  Something tells me I should be able to figure out the response
to this question, and yet my own ideas sound ignorant.  Last night was the
second time I almost broke my leg while training in judo.  Actually, after
pulling a dumb little stunt I also felt as though I came close to breaking
my neck, and I don't know.  I figure it would be good to know what options
are available to people in such situations...just in case...  I know the
Seeing Eye has trained some of their dogs to escort people on wheelchairs,
but even this arrangement seems to present its own unique circumstances.

Anyway, thanks for any feedback to my random inquiry.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jan 25 08:24:19 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:24:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] No it's not Re:  Stupid Question
Message-ID: <20090125082419.21137.39339@biff.serotek.com>

You know, there's someone working in youth outreach at National 
Headquarters in baltimore who uses a wheelchair and white cane. In 
fact, she whelled and cane her way through last year's march. I think 
her name is Triva, but I doubt I spelled it correctly. Anyway, she 
would be a good resource for you. Just know that it's doable at any rate.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From startrekcafe at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 08:26:59 2009
From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:26:59 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] FS Cast 26
Message-ID: <0B80C05C51684590BBCC1435F1242FC6@marvinPC>

Hi.
just listened to the fs cast 26.
well, looks like developing applications for the web just got a whole lot 
easier, using the new aria technology.
go and get a copy and listen to Glen Gordon, explain about web 2.0, and 
aria.
and accessible flash.
and Jonathon Mosen demonstrates aria sites with jaws 10, like in firefox 
3.04.
and demonstrates how to use the mozilla chat, irc client with jaws, and a 
aria enabled site.
well, looking to develop for the web, when i get my star trek site up and 
running.
got a few design issues, with the front page, but got some feedback and 
working on that.
so, some where down the track, looking to develop a chat application, so 
would be using the aria elements and technolog for this, and a star trek 
chat application.
cheers Marvin.
E-mail: startrekcafe at gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekcafe at msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One
E-mail: startrekcafe at gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekcafe at msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One 




From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 09:27:47 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:27:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
References: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <20090125092747.GB19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Joe, with crutches you use one as a cane and sweep with it before you step.  
You won't move at anything close to your regular pace, but you pick it up 
relatively well.

It's possible to use a cane and an electric wheelchair, but with a manual 
chair it's the same idea as with the crutches, only I can imagine half a 
dozen circumstances where it would be really hard to do it (and it would be 
incredibly slow no matter what you did..)

Maybe the blind rollers list would have an answer to the latter.

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:07:08AM -0500, Joe Orozco wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>The subject line forewarned you of the ignorance of my question, so don't
>laugh!
>
>I was wondering how a blind person on crutches or a person on a wheelchair
>gets around?  Something tells me I should be able to figure out the response
>to this question, and yet my own ideas sound ignorant.  Last night was the
>second time I almost broke my leg while training in judo.  Actually, after
>pulling a dumb little stunt I also felt as though I came close to breaking
>my neck, and I don't know.  I figure it would be good to know what options
>are available to people in such situations...just in case...  I know the
>Seeing Eye has trained some of their dogs to escort people on wheelchairs,
>but even this arrangement seems to present its own unique circumstances.
>
>Anyway, thanks for any feedback to my random inquiry.
>
>Joe Orozco
>
>"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
>Barrie


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 09:27:56 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:27:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] FS Cast 26
In-Reply-To: <0B80C05C51684590BBCC1435F1242FC6@marvinPC>
Message-ID: <700136.49226.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I did, and that was very interesting. Anyone thing baby JAWS on the PACmate, like daddy JAWS, will play nice with the ARIA technology?

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Marvin Hunkin <startrekcafe at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Marvin Hunkin <startrekcafe at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] FS Cast 26
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 12:26 AM

Hi.
just listened to the fs cast 26.
well, looks like developing applications for the web just got a whole lot 
easier, using the new aria technology.
go and get a copy and listen to Glen Gordon, explain about web 2.0, and 
aria.
and accessible flash.
and Jonathon Mosen demonstrates aria sites with jaws 10, like in firefox 
3.04.
and demonstrates how to use the mozilla chat, irc client with jaws, and a 
aria enabled site.
well, looking to develop for the web, when i get my star trek site up and 
running.
got a few design issues, with the front page, but got some feedback and 
working on that.
so, some where down the track, looking to develop a chat application, so 
would be using the aria elements and technolog for this, and a star trek 
chat application.
cheers Marvin.
E-mail: startrekcafe at gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekcafe at msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One
E-mail: startrekcafe at gmail.com
MSN: sttartrekcafe at msn.com
Skype: startrekcafe
We Are The Borg! You Will Be Assimilated! Resistance Is Futile!
Star Trek Voyager Episode 68 Scorpian Part One 



_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From liamskitten at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 09:34:10 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:34:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
References: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901250134u35bcabfbj9250e941f4de83fb@mail.gmail.com>

Jo,

>From what I can gather, each method has its own particular obstacles.
I use a walker, so that's the only method I can speak about with any
sort of authenticity.  We use our particular devices, along with a
cane.  There really isn't much difference in traveling, as far as I
can think of, except that whereas you're simply walking with the cane,
we have a bit more baggage because of the walker/wheelchair.

Crossing streets in a walker/wheelchair alone safely for a beginner
can be difficult (as I learned the hard way some months ago)  The key
is developing speed; you've got to be able to move as quickly as other
people, despite the the fact that this can sometimes be difficult,
depending on your condition.  I could go on about this for ages, but
that's the basic jist.  If you've got more questions, I'd be more than
happy to answer them.  And be careful and try not too join us to soon
*grin*
Courtney

On 1/24/09, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> The subject line forewarned you of the ignorance of my question, so don't
> laugh!
>
> I was wondering how a blind person on crutches or a person on a wheelchair
> gets around?  Something tells me I should be able to figure out the response
> to this question, and yet my own ideas sound ignorant.  Last night was the
> second time I almost broke my leg while training in judo.  Actually, after
> pulling a dumb little stunt I also felt as though I came close to breaking
> my neck, and I don't know.  I figure it would be good to know what options
> are available to people in such situations...just in case...  I know the
> Seeing Eye has trained some of their dogs to escort people on wheelchairs,
> but even this arrangement seems to present its own unique circumstances.
>
> Anyway, thanks for any feedback to my random inquiry.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
> Barrie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 25 13:30:53 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 06:30:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No it's not Re:  Stupid Question
References: <20090125082419.21137.39339@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <8FA7C194215346DBB37BE4DEC32E0694@usore540475a8f>

Yes, her name is Treeba. I have met her personaly. She is a wonderfull 
humanbing.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No it's not Re: Stupid Question


> You know, there's someone working in youth outreach at National 
> Headquarters in baltimore who uses a wheelchair and white cane. In fact, 
> she whelled and cane her way through last year's march. I think her name 
> is Triva, but I doubt I spelled it correctly. Anyway, she would be a good 
> resource for you. Just know that it's doable at any rate.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/commanderlumpy2003%40earthlink.net
> 



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 25 18:30:25 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:30:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
References: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
Message-ID: <auto-000085087502@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Joe:

We have a list of blind persons who are in wheelchairs -- blind 
rollers.  To subscribe either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to blind-rollers-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line.

Dave

At 11:07 PM 1/24/2009, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>The subject line forewarned you of the ignorance of my question, so don't
>laugh!
>
>I was wondering how a blind person on crutches or a person on a wheelchair
>gets around?  Something tells me I should be able to figure out the response
>to this question, and yet my own ideas sound ignorant.  Last night was the
>second time I almost broke my leg while training in judo.  Actually, after
>pulling a dumb little stunt I also felt as though I came close to breaking
>my neck, and I don't know.  I figure it would be good to know what options
>are available to people in such situations...just in case...  I know the
>Seeing Eye has trained some of their dogs to escort people on wheelchairs,
>but even this arrangement seems to present its own unique circumstances.
>
>Anyway, thanks for any feedback to my random inquiry.
>
>Joe Orozco
>
>"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
>Barrie
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1912 - Release Date: 
>1/23/2009 6:54 PM



From empower at smart.net  Sun Jan 25 22:08:55 2009
From: empower at smart.net (Jamal Mazrui)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:08:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing PDF2HTM
Message-ID: <auto-000085101623@mailfront2.g2host.com>

 From the archive
http://EmpowermentZone.com/pdf2htm.zip

PDF2HTM
Version 1.0
January 25, 2009
Copyright 2009 by Jamal Mazrui
GPL License

PDF2HTM is a command-line utility that converts one or more files from PDF
to HTML format.  The syntax is
pdf2htm.exe SourcePDF
where the parameter is either a file name or a wildcard spec like
*.pdf
Enclose it with quotes if it contains a space.  A resulting HTML file has
the same name except for a .htm extension.

This was built with Python 2.5 and the packages PDFMiner and py2exe.  The
top-level script, pdf2htm.py, is an adaptation of the PDFMiner tool called
pdf2txt.py.  The batch file, RunSetup.bat, runs the py2exe script,
setup.py, to create the stand-alone executable, pdf2htm.exe.

All aspects of the HTML format are determined by underlying PDFMinor
routines.  Visual aspects such as fonts are present, but structural
aspects such as headings do not seem to be converted, unfortunately.
Other programmers interested in this project may wish to work on improving
HTML structure.



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 25 23:24:12 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:24:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
Message-ID: <475019.61733.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate, Braille Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted an interesting question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note taker for us? Continue reading for further information if youare unfamiliar with Netbooks. 

For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I could say shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For us, I'd recommend any of HP's models since they have the keyboard thing down pat. Why does this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard that can be used for extended periods of time. That's not to say we don't get a full QWERTY keyboards, we do, but some of them can be cramped. The reason their smaller is that the netbooks weigh almost nothing. 

Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the Linux versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they will run Windows 7. Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run JAWS (I think). Many of them hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor with about 1 GB of RAM. 

The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash memory). There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives (usually ranging in size from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it will run you anywhere between 8 and 40 GB. I think one of the eee's has 40 GB of flash with 20 GB of additional storage online. Sadly, that's only for the Linux version. 

Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system is shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of $400 to $600 brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as your primary computer, don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board these Netbooks can handle something like Goldwave. 

This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for college students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's Accessible. Do you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary notetaking solutions? 



      

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Jan 26 00:17:24 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:17:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
In-Reply-To: <475019.61733.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <475019.61733.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090125191724.b2s7obovko0gssos@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi there,
I definitely don't think so. The main reason I still use a notetaker  
is for the Braille keyboard, which I'm faster on than a traditional  
QWERTY keyboard. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, or at least I hope  
not. I can understand the attractiveness of the price though - $4000 +  
is quite a bit of money for notetakers.
Thank you for this information.
Sarah Jevnikar


Quoting Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>:

> I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate,   
> Braille Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted   
> an interesting question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note   
> taker for us? Continue reading for further information if youare   
> unfamiliar with Netbooks.
>
> For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I   
> could say shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For   
> us, I'd recommend any of HP's models since they have the keyboard   
> thing down pat. Why does this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard   
> that can be used for extended periods of time. That's not to say we   
> don't get a full QWERTY keyboards, we do, but some of them can be   
> cramped. The reason their smaller is that the netbooks weigh almost   
> nothing.
>
> Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the  
>  Linux versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they   
> will run Windows 7. Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run   
> JAWS (I think). Many of them hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom   
> processor with about 1 GB of RAM.
>
> The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash   
> memory). There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives   
> (usually ranging in size from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it   
> will run you anywhere between 8 and 40 GB. I think one of the eee's   
> has 40 GB of flash with 20 GB of additional storage online. Sadly,   
> that's only for the Linux version.
>
> Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system  
>  is shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of  
>  $400 to $600 brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as   
> your primary computer, don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board   
> these Netbooks can handle something like Goldwave.
>
> This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for   
> college students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's   
> Accessible. Do you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary   
> notetaking solutions?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40utoronto.ca
>





From davidb521 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 02:32:06 2009
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:32:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
References: <475019.61733.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c801c97f5e$4840f600$0801a8c0@DavidBouchard>

I doubt it. For one thing, I have a PAC Mate, and I wouldn't call it 
proprietary. Also, keep in mind that it takes longer for a laptop to boot up 
than a notetaker. Furthermore, think of braille support. Even with a braille 
display, it would take longer to set up, and more things could go wrong with 
setting it up. Jaws support with braille alone leaves  some to be desired. 
Even the PAC Mate that runs JAWS can be used with Braille only. Anyway, that 
is all I currently have to say on the subject for now. It will be 
interesting to hear what others have to say.
David
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFB Student List" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?


>I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate, Braille 
>Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted an interesting 
>question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note taker for us? Continue 
>reading for further information if youare unfamiliar with Netbooks.
>
> For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I could say 
> shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For us, I'd recommend 
> any of HP's models since they have the keyboard thing down pat. Why does 
> this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard that can be used for extended 
> periods of time. That's not to say we don't get a full QWERTY keyboards, 
> we do, but some of them can be cramped. The reason their smaller is that 
> the netbooks weigh almost nothing.
>
> Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the Linux 
> versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they will run 
> Windows 7. Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run JAWS (I think). 
> Many of them hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor with about 1 
> GB of RAM.
>
> The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash memory). 
> There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives (usually ranging 
> in size from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it will run you anywhere 
> between 8 and 40 GB. I think one of the eee's has 40 GB of flash with 20 
> GB of additional storage online. Sadly, that's only for the Linux version.
>
> Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system is 
> shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of $400 to 
> $600 brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as your primary 
> computer, don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board these Netbooks can 
> handle something like Goldwave.
>
> This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for college 
> students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's Accessible. Do 
> you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary notetaking solutions?
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com 



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 04:46:43 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 20:46:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
In-Reply-To: <00c801c97f5e$4840f600$0801a8c0@DavidBouchard>
Message-ID: <527712.20541.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

That's true. Even though JAWS does do Braille support, you end up lugging around two devices. I'm just coming up with every possible way I can for us (or the foundations for that matter) to not have to break our banks in these tough times when we need what we need for school or work, you know? 

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, David <davidb521 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: David <davidb521 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 6:32 PM

I doubt it. For one thing, I have a PAC Mate, and I wouldn't call it
proprietary. Also, keep in mind that it takes longer for a laptop to boot up
than a notetaker. Furthermore, think of braille support. Even with a braille
display, it would take longer to set up, and more things could go wrong with
setting it up. Jaws support with braille alone leaves  some to be desired. Even
the PAC Mate that runs JAWS can be used with Braille only. Anyway, that is all I
currently have to say on the subject for now. It will be interesting to hear
what others have to say.
David
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lambert"
<rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFB Student List" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?


> I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate, Braille
Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted an interesting
question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note taker for us? Continue
reading for further information if youare unfamiliar with Netbooks.
> 
> For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I could say
shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For us, I'd
recommend any of HP's models since they have the keyboard thing down pat.
Why does this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard that can be used for
extended periods of time. That's not to say we don't get a full QWERTY
keyboards, we do, but some of them can be cramped. The reason their smaller is
that the netbooks weigh almost nothing.
> 
> Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the Linux
versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they will run Windows 7.
Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run JAWS (I think). Many of them
hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor with about 1 GB of RAM.
> 
> The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash memory).
There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives (usually ranging in size
from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it will run you anywhere between 8 and 40
GB. I think one of the eee's has 40 GB of flash with 20 GB of additional
storage online. Sadly, that's only for the Linux version.
> 
> Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system is
shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of $400 to $600
brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as your primary computer,
don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board these Netbooks can handle
something like Goldwave.
> 
> This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for college
students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's
Accessible. Do you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary notetaking
solutions?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com 


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 07:50:24 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 23:50:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
In-Reply-To: <475019.61733.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <475019.61733.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090126075024.GE19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The Asus Aspire One runs around $300-350.  Its keyboard is a bit 
cramped, and it seems a little thick particularly next to my MacBook 
Air, but it's a good size, a good weight, and comes with just enough 
horsepower to do the things you want to do.

It should run JAWS or Window Eyes well enough.

Linux accessibility with the distributions that come with the things 
is all but nonexistent as you note, but it's Linux--install what you 
want (or get someone sighted to do that, I guess..)

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 03:24:12PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate, Braille Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted an interesting question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note taker for us? Continue reading for further information if youare unfamiliar with Netbooks. 
>
>For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I could say shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For us, I'd recommend any of HP's models since they have the keyboard thing down pat. Why does this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard that can be used for extended periods of time. That's not to say we don't get a full QWERTY keyboards, we do, but some of them can be cramped. The reason their smaller is that the netbooks weigh almost nothing. 
>
>Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the Linux versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they will run Windows 7. Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run JAWS (I think). Many of them hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor with about 1 GB of RAM. 
>
>The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash memory). There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives (usually ranging in size from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it will run you anywhere between 8 and 40 GB. I think one of the eee's has 40 GB of flash with 20 GB of additional storage online. Sadly, that's only for the Linux version. 
>
>Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system is shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of $400 to $600 brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as your primary computer, don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board these Netbooks can handle something like Goldwave. 
>
>This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for college students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's Accessible. Do you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary notetaking solutions? 
>
>
>
>      
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 08:31:34 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 00:31:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
In-Reply-To: <20090126075024.GE19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <293717.27282.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

If anyone is interested, there's a review of the Asus eeePC 900 series (though I'd recommend setting your sights on the 1000H or S101 for a more comfortable typing experience), by Aaron Spears.

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 11:50 PM

The Asus Aspire One runs around $300-350.  Its keyboard is a bit cramped, and it
seems a little thick particularly next to my MacBook Air, but it's a good
size, a good weight, and comes with just enough horsepower to do the things you
want to do.

It should run JAWS or Window Eyes well enough.

Linux accessibility with the distributions that come with the things is all but
nonexistent as you note, but it's Linux--install what you want (or get
someone sighted to do that, I guess..)

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 03:24:12PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
> I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate, Braille
Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted an interesting
question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note taker for us? Continue
reading for further information if youare unfamiliar with Netbooks. 
> For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I could say
shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For us, I'd
recommend any of HP's models since they have the keyboard thing down pat.
Why does this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard that can be used for
extended periods of time. That's not to say we don't get a full QWERTY
keyboards, we do, but some of them can be cramped. The reason their smaller is
that the netbooks weigh almost nothing. 
> Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the Linux
versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they will run Windows 7.
Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run JAWS (I think). Many of them
hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor with about 1 GB of RAM. 
> The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash memory).
There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives (usually ranging in size
from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it will run you anywhere between 8 and 40
GB. I think one of the eee's has 40 GB of flash with 20 GB of additional
storage online. Sadly, that's only for the Linux version. 
> Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system is
shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of $400 to $600
brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as your primary computer,
don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board these Netbooks can handle
something like Goldwave. 
> This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for college
students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's
Accessible. Do you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary notetaking
solutions? 
> 
> 
>      _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 26 09:56:24 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:56:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
In-Reply-To: <293717.27282.qm@web56107.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <904751.52111.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I forgot to mention this was on Blind Cool Tech. LOL

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Rob Lambert <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 12:31 AM

If anyone is interested, there's a review of the Asus eeePC 900 series
(though I'd recommend setting your sights on the 1000H or S101 for a more
comfortable typing experience), by Aaron Spears.

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Will Netbooks replace notetakers?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 11:50 PM

The Asus Aspire One runs around $300-350.  Its keyboard is a bit cramped, and
it
seems a little thick particularly next to my MacBook Air, but it's a good
size, a good weight, and comes with just enough horsepower to do the things you
want to do.

It should run JAWS or Window Eyes well enough.

Linux accessibility with the distributions that come with the things is all but
nonexistent as you note, but it's Linux--install what you want (or get
someone sighted to do that, I guess..)

Joseph

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 03:24:12PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
> I was thinking about our proprietary notetakers like the PACmate, Braille
Note, and Icon, and thinking about Netbooks. This prompted an interesting
question: Do you think netbooks will be the new note taker for us? Continue
reading for further information if youare unfamiliar with Netbooks. 
> For those of you unfamiliar with them, Netbooks are...I guess I could say
shrunken down laptops, both in specs, price, & size. For us, I'd
recommend any of HP's models since they have the keyboard thing down pat.
Why does this matter? Many netbooks LACK a keyboard that can be used for
extended periods of time. That's not to say we don't get a full QWERTY
keyboards, we do, but some of them can be cramped. The reason their smaller is
that the netbooks weigh almost nothing. 
> Netbooks run Windows XP, and some Linux (be very careful because the Linux
versions have NO accessibility), and when it comes out, they will run Windows
7.
Obviously, since they run Windows, they can run JAWS (I think). Many of them
hover around a 1 to 1.6 GHz Intel Atom processor with about 1 GB of RAM. 
> The storage space is also small (especially if you use flash memory).
There are, however, some netbooks with full hard drives (usually ranging in
size
from 40 to 120 GB). If you go flash, it will run you anywhere between 8 and 40
GB. I think one of the eee's has 40 GB of flash with 20 GB of additional
storage online. Sadly, that's only for the Linux version. 
> Why does all this matter though? Note earlier that I said the system is
shrunken in price. Most Netbooks hover around an asking price of $400 to $600
brand new. Be wary though. If you plan to use it as your primary computer,
don't. I doubt the Atom processor on board these Netbooks can handle
something like Goldwave. 
> This, however, would be a perfect solution for note taking for college
students. It's light, it's cheap, when running Windows it's
Accessible. Do you think that netbooks will replace our proprietary notetaking
solutions? 
> 
> 
>      _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 14:15:55 2009
From: fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com (Franandah Damstra)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:15:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Stupid Question
In-Reply-To: <auto-000085087502@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <5F9CB2304C4E4435B0292C7C8790B1B7@MonkeyPaw>
	<auto-000085087502@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <a7b0cbec0901260615m44a3dbe3ma521fda9c6ee8585@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I really just had people push me around. I have sever osteprosis
and my bones break or get dammaged easily. I'm constantly being in and
out of wheelchairs. Most of the time my classmates bring me to my
classes. When I'm alone I made a contraption that hooks to my
wheelchair and holds my cane in a diangal way. That way I can use my
wheelchair and not have to worry about holding my cane. This, however,
sometimes can be difficult on its on because my cane doesn't spot
everything. I could name quite a few times where I have ran into doors
and walls. lol However, I guess you have to come up with an idea that
works for you and just go with the flow. There is pros and cons to
everyside. You just have to choose which one you, peronally, want to
deal with.
~Franandah

On 1/25/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
> Joe:
>
> We have a list of blind persons who are in wheelchairs -- blind
> rollers.  To subscribe either go to:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers_nfbnet.org
>
> or send e-mail to blind-rollers-request at nfbnet.org and put the word
> subscribe in the subject line.
>
> Dave
>
> At 11:07 PM 1/24/2009, you wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>
>>The subject line forewarned you of the ignorance of my question, so don't
>>laugh!
>>
>>I was wondering how a blind person on crutches or a person on a wheelchair
>>gets around?  Something tells me I should be able to figure out the
>> response
>>to this question, and yet my own ideas sound ignorant.  Last night was the
>>second time I almost broke my leg while training in judo.  Actually, after
>>pulling a dumb little stunt I also felt as though I came close to breaking
>>my neck, and I don't know.  I figure it would be good to know what options
>>are available to people in such situations...just in case...  I know the
>>Seeing Eye has trained some of their dogs to escort people on wheelchairs,
>>but even this arrangement seems to present its own unique circumstances.
>>
>>Anyway, thanks for any feedback to my random inquiry.
>>
>>Joe Orozco
>>
>>"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
>>Barrie
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>>
>>
>>No virus found in this incoming message.
>>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.13/1912 - Release Date:
>>1/23/2009 6:54 PM
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fantasyfanatic01%40gmail.com
>


From bcsarah.fan at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 19:40:12 2009
From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com (Patricia)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:40:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
Message-ID: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>

My opinion is that they will not. Like others have said, notetakers take less time to boot up than does a laptop, plus for those of us using braille it's a lot easier to pull one device out ofthe backpack to put on the desk. In addition to that, you can guarantee that you won't have to plug in any time during class, and that's often a bonus as plugs aren't always readily available. With that said, I can't use my pacc mate as my primary device, either. I'm still working with 4.1 because all I use it for is a notetaker, andi find it slow online compared to my laptop and there are many other things like formatting which i have found much easier with a full laptop/desktop. But I never think, at least for class settings, that I would ever go back to a laptop without a braille display like i had in high school, I've gotten too used to working without speech in class, andseing things instantly. I think those are reasns enough, even though I am working with the QX version and could switch to a keyboard easily. That's because I can type much faster than i can braille, since I adopted the computer early on in my life. 

From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jan 26 22:00:01 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:00:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
Message-ID: <auto-000085274497@mailfront2.g2host.com>

While the consensus here seems to be that notetakers will do fine, I 
think their days are numbered.  I Direct the Assistive Technology 
unit of the state agency for the blind in Minnesota, and I know that 
we buy very few note takers, as compared to a few years ago.  This 
doesn't mean they are dead, but it is a huge factor.

We do buy some, but we buy a lot of laptops, some sub-laptops, some 
smart phones, some Net PC's.  There are now Bluetooth Braille 
displays which you can use with desktops, laptops, phones, and net 
PC's and while not as convenient, they are more flexible.

Dave

At 01:40 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
>My opinion is that they will not. Like others have said, notetakers 
>take less time to boot up than does a laptop, plus for those of us 
>using braille it's a lot easier to pull one device out ofthe 
>backpack to put on the desk. In addition to that, you can guarantee 
>that you won't have to plug in any time during class, and that's 
>often a bonus as plugs aren't always readily available. With that 
>said, I can't use my pacc mate as my primary device, either. I'm 
>still working with 4.1 because all I use it for is a notetaker, andi 
>find it slow online compared to my laptop and there are many other 
>things like formatting which i have found much easier with a full 
>laptop/desktop. But I never think, at least for class settings, that 
>I would ever go back to a laptop without a braille display like i 
>had in high school, I've gotten too used to working without speech 
>in class, andseing things instantly. I think those are reasns 
>enough, even though I am working with the QX version and could 
>switch to a keyboard easily. That's because I can type much faster 
>than i can braille, since I adopted the computer early on in my life.
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 23:23:02 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:23:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <auto-000085274497@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
	<auto-000085274497@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <20090126232302.GI19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>

David, I think in this age of netbooks being so cheap, the days of 
the Windows CE based notetaker are numbered, even if the notetaker 
lives on.  I say that because the notetaker is a hideously expensive 
custom device from the ground up, and the netbook is a cheap 
commodity device with higher power.

The cost of adapting a netbook to Braille display and keyboard is 
cheaper than the cost of building a notetaker.  Plus, notetakers do 
not really "boot" so much as they "wake up" from a power-saving mode.  
When you have to reboot them, they do take about as long as starting 
Windows XP off a solid state disk--primarily because they're doing 
something very similar with a Windows CE platform on a slower system 
with fewer resources.

I fear though that the rise of the notetaker gave us easy access to 
Braille.  That's likely to go away if netbooks supplant them, even if 
the power/usage differences are resolved.

Joseph

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 04:00:01PM -0600, David Andrews wrote:
> While the consensus here seems to be that notetakers will do fine, I  
> think their days are numbered.  I Direct the Assistive Technology unit of 
> the state agency for the blind in Minnesota, and I know that we buy very 
> few note takers, as compared to a few years ago.  This doesn't mean they 
> are dead, but it is a huge factor.
>
> We do buy some, but we buy a lot of laptops, some sub-laptops, some  
> smart phones, some Net PC's.  There are now Bluetooth Braille displays 
> which you can use with desktops, laptops, phones, and net PC's and while 
> not as convenient, they are more flexible.
>
> Dave
>
> At 01:40 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
>> My opinion is that they will not. Like others have said, notetakers  
>> take less time to boot up than does a laptop, plus for those of us  
>> using braille it's a lot easier to pull one device out ofthe backpack 
>> to put on the desk. In addition to that, you can guarantee that you 
>> won't have to plug in any time during class, and that's often a bonus 
>> as plugs aren't always readily available. With that said, I can't use 
>> my pacc mate as my primary device, either. I'm still working with 4.1 
>> because all I use it for is a notetaker, andi find it slow online 
>> compared to my laptop and there are many other things like formatting 
>> which i have found much easier with a full laptop/desktop. But I never 
>> think, at least for class settings, that I would ever go back to a 
>> laptop without a braille display like i had in high school, I've gotten 
>> too used to working without speech in class, andseing things instantly. 
>> I think those are reasns enough, even though I am working with the QX 
>> version and could switch to a keyboard easily. That's because I can 
>> type much faster than i can braille, since I adopted the computer early 
>> on in my life.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From sarah at growingstrong.org  Tue Jan 27 00:10:23 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 19:10:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
Message-ID: <E260F2B16EFD4FB3B5766B1A6F2F0E41@TINYLAPTOP>

I have a Netbook that I've been using for about three months. I bought a 
second battery, and it fits nicely in the carrying case along with my 
Brailliant 24 and USB cable. The case opens with the computer still in it, 
so I only need to remove the Brailliant and hool it up. Set-up and boot-up 
takes about 45 seconds. I'm quite happy with this arrangement. The whole 
thing with the Brailliant weighs about four pounds, and I get all the 
functionality of the laptop.


I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/



From nicolas.lagace at humanware.com  Tue Jan 27 00:48:06 2009
From: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com (HumanWare)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:48:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] HumanWare's SmartView Graduate is fully compatible with
 ZoomText
Message-ID: <auto-000083270461@mailfront1.g2host.com>


<http://hcamarketing.cmail2.com/t/y/l/dilltl/yhjdiylkr/r>
HumanWare logo. The power is in your hands





SmartView Graduate is fully compatible with ZoomText

photo of a user



Longueuil, January 26, 2009 - HumanWare released 
today the latest software version of the 
SmartView Graduate, a video magnifier that helps 
Low Vision Students fully participate in class. 
One of the significant improvements in this 
release is the addition of support for split 
screens and "zero-delay video" when running in 
conjunction with ZoomText® screen magnification software.

The split screen functionality lets users see 
magnified images from the Graduate camera in one 
half of their computer screen and other 
applications in the other half. ZoomText® 
operates normally in magnifying application 
windows on one side while on the other, the 
Graduate application completely controls the 
magnification of camera images. No specific 
configuration of ZoomText® is required.

With the introduction of the "zero-delay video" 
architecture in this release, the SmartView 
Graduate avoids any lag time between an image 
changing and it being displayed on the computer 
screen. Without this feature, delays of up to two 
seconds are common for video magnifiers working in conjunction with ZoomText®.

photo of the unit
Other new features include the ability to save 
four preset views and a simplified installation. 
Each preset view includes settings for color 
combinations, image rotation, contrast and 
brightness. This can significantly reduce the 
time required to switch between desktop and 
distant views as all saved parameters for either 
position can be changed with a simple press of a button.

To help new users get the most from their 
SmartView Graduate, HumanWare is also announcing 
the availability of a set of online video 
tutorials. These videos demonstrate how to setup 
the unit for optimal use, basic commands, saving 
images, and how to use preset views.

Both the SmartView Graduate software release 1.2 
and the instructional tutorials are immediately 
available for free download on HumanWare's website.


About the SmartView Graduate

The SmartView Graduate is the perfect companion 
for any student or traveling professional. It is 
ideally suited for people with low vision who 
need to see things on their desk or across the room.

Since the SmartView Graduate gets its power from 
your laptop's USB ports, it can be used just 
about anywhere you take your laptop. The 
SmartView Graduate can be easily operated from 
your computer keyboard. Zoom-in, change high 
contrast color combinations and save images with 
simple keystrokes. The SmartView Graduate's 
camera easily turns and rotates, allowing the 
user to view items on their desktop or a 
whiteboard across the room. Images can be 
magnified up to 50 times their normal size. The 
unit can be taken apart and put into a computer 
bag or its optional case in less than a minute, 
making it extremely easy to carry.



About HumanWare

HumanWare (www.humanware.com) is the global 
leader in assistive technologies for the Print 
Disabled. HumanWare provides products to people 
who are blind and have low vision and students 
with learning disabilities. HumanWare offers a 
full range of low vision products including the 
SmartView Xtend desktop video magnifier, the 
SmartView Pocket and Nano handheld electronic 
magnifiers, and the myReader2, HumanWare's unique 
"auto-reader". HumanWare's other innovative 
products include the BrailleNote, the leading 
productivity device for the blind in education, 
business and for personal use; the Victor Reader 
product line, the world's leading digital audio 
book players, and the ClassMate Reader, the only 
portable book player to offer synchronized text and audio.

For more information about these or other 
HumanWare products, please contact us:

Canada
call toll free: 1-888-723-7273
Email: ca.info at humanware.com

UK/Europe

Tel: +44 1933 415 800
Email: eu.info at humanware.com

Australia/Asia

Tel: +61 2 9686 2600
Email: au.sales at humanware.com

U.S.A

call toll free 1-800-722-3393 or (925) 680-7100
Email: us.info at humanware.com

Media contact:

Nicolas Lagace
Tel.: (450) 463-1717
E-mail: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com




©2009 HumanWare



From spangler.robert at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 02:25:07 2009
From: spangler.robert at gmail.com (Robert Spangler)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:25:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <20090126232302.GI19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>	<auto-000085274497@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<20090126232302.GI19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <497E7083.8070503@gmail.com>

I also see the netbook surpassing the Braille note taker; however, I 
don't understand how one is going to do math as easily on the 
laptop/netbook as they would on a Braille notetaker.  I have never used 
a Braille display on a computer before, and perhaps it is possible this 
way, but I find it easier to input math with a Perkins-style keyboard on 
a note taker.  Would the Braille displays with the Perkins keyboards be 
an equal substitute?  with the battery life of the newer EEEPC netbooks 
from Asus I can very well see them being used as replacements for note 
takers.

Robby

T. Joseph Carter wrote:
> David, I think in this age of netbooks being so cheap, the days of the 
> Windows CE based notetaker are numbered, even if the notetaker lives 
> on.  I say that because the notetaker is a hideously expensive custom 
> device from the ground up, and the netbook is a cheap commodity device 
> with higher power.
> 
> The cost of adapting a netbook to Braille display and keyboard is 
> cheaper than the cost of building a notetaker.  Plus, notetakers do not 
> really "boot" so much as they "wake up" from a power-saving mode.  When 
> you have to reboot them, they do take about as long as starting Windows 
> XP off a solid state disk--primarily because they're doing something 
> very similar with a Windows CE platform on a slower system with fewer 
> resources.
> 
> I fear though that the rise of the notetaker gave us easy access to 
> Braille.  That's likely to go away if netbooks supplant them, even if 
> the power/usage differences are resolved.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 04:00:01PM -0600, David Andrews wrote:
>> While the consensus here seems to be that notetakers will do fine, I  
>> think their days are numbered.  I Direct the Assistive Technology unit 
>> of the state agency for the blind in Minnesota, and I know that we buy 
>> very few note takers, as compared to a few years ago.  This doesn't 
>> mean they are dead, but it is a huge factor.
>>
>> We do buy some, but we buy a lot of laptops, some sub-laptops, some  
>> smart phones, some Net PC's.  There are now Bluetooth Braille displays 
>> which you can use with desktops, laptops, phones, and net PC's and 
>> while not as convenient, they are more flexible.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 01:40 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
>>> My opinion is that they will not. Like others have said, notetakers  
>>> take less time to boot up than does a laptop, plus for those of us  
>>> using braille it's a lot easier to pull one device out ofthe backpack 
>>> to put on the desk. In addition to that, you can guarantee that you 
>>> won't have to plug in any time during class, and that's often a bonus 
>>> as plugs aren't always readily available. With that said, I can't use 
>>> my pacc mate as my primary device, either. I'm still working with 4.1 
>>> because all I use it for is a notetaker, andi find it slow online 
>>> compared to my laptop and there are many other things like formatting 
>>> which i have found much easier with a full laptop/desktop. But I 
>>> never think, at least for class settings, that I would ever go back 
>>> to a laptop without a braille display like i had in high school, I've 
>>> gotten too used to working without speech in class, andseing things 
>>> instantly. I think those are reasns enough, even though I am working 
>>> with the QX version and could switch to a keyboard easily. That's 
>>> because I can type much faster than i can braille, since I adopted 
>>> the computer early on in my life.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com 
>>>
>>
>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com 
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spangler.robert%40gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
> signature database 3802 (20090126) __________
> 
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
> 
> http://www.eset.com
> 
> 


__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3802 (20090126) __________

The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com




From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 02:42:16 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:42:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>	<auto-000085274497@mailfront2.g2host.com><20090126232302.GI19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<497E7083.8070503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8AF141A3E4C49529447944E3DA17E95@Dezman>

Well I could easily see someone developing software for the netbooks that 
can emulate a perkins style keyboard, produce braille and save it in popular 
formats such as brf. In fact this is just the type of thing that you can do 
with Duxbury.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Spangler" <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers


>I also see the netbook surpassing the Braille note taker; however, I don't 
>understand how one is going to do math as easily on the laptop/netbook as 
>they would on a Braille notetaker.  I have never used a Braille display on 
>a computer before, and perhaps it is possible this way, but I find it 
>easier to input math with a Perkins-style keyboard on a note taker.  Would 
>the Braille displays with the Perkins keyboards be an equal substitute? 
>with the battery life of the newer EEEPC netbooks from Asus I can very well 
>see them being used as replacements for note takers.
>
> Robby
>
> T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>> David, I think in this age of netbooks being so cheap, the days of the 
>> Windows CE based notetaker are numbered, even if the notetaker lives on. 
>> I say that because the notetaker is a hideously expensive custom device 
>> from the ground up, and the netbook is a cheap commodity device with 
>> higher power.
>>
>> The cost of adapting a netbook to Braille display and keyboard is cheaper 
>> than the cost of building a notetaker.  Plus, notetakers do not really 
>> "boot" so much as they "wake up" from a power-saving mode.  When you have 
>> to reboot them, they do take about as long as starting Windows XP off a 
>> solid state disk--primarily because they're doing something very similar 
>> with a Windows CE platform on a slower system with fewer resources.
>>
>> I fear though that the rise of the notetaker gave us easy access to 
>> Braille.  That's likely to go away if netbooks supplant them, even if the 
>> power/usage differences are resolved.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 04:00:01PM -0600, David Andrews wrote:
>>> While the consensus here seems to be that notetakers will do fine, I 
>>> think their days are numbered.  I Direct the Assistive Technology unit 
>>> of the state agency for the blind in Minnesota, and I know that we buy 
>>> very few note takers, as compared to a few years ago.  This doesn't mean 
>>> they are dead, but it is a huge factor.
>>>
>>> We do buy some, but we buy a lot of laptops, some sub-laptops, some 
>>> smart phones, some Net PC's.  There are now Bluetooth Braille displays 
>>> which you can use with desktops, laptops, phones, and net PC's and while 
>>> not as convenient, they are more flexible.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> At 01:40 PM 1/26/2009, you wrote:
>>>> My opinion is that they will not. Like others have said, notetakers 
>>>> take less time to boot up than does a laptop, plus for those of us 
>>>> using braille it's a lot easier to pull one device out ofthe backpack 
>>>> to put on the desk. In addition to that, you can guarantee that you 
>>>> won't have to plug in any time during class, and that's often a bonus 
>>>> as plugs aren't always readily available. With that said, I can't use 
>>>> my pacc mate as my primary device, either. I'm still working with 4.1 
>>>> because all I use it for is a notetaker, andi find it slow online 
>>>> compared to my laptop and there are many other things like formatting 
>>>> which i have found much easier with a full laptop/desktop. But I never 
>>>> think, at least for class settings, that I would ever go back to a 
>>>> laptop without a braille display like i had in high school, I've gotten 
>>>> too used to working without speech in class, andseing things instantly. 
>>>> I think those are reasns enough, even though I am working with the QX 
>>>> version and could switch to a keyboard easily. That's because I can 
>>>> type much faster than i can braille, since I adopted the computer early 
>>>> on in my life.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>>>
>>> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spangler.robert%40gmail.com 
>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
>> signature database 3802 (20090126) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus 
> signature database 3802 (20090126) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 03:30:49 2009
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:30:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
Message-ID: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class of
'13!  I'm a gopher!
Thx all,
Jordan
lilrichie411 at gmail.com

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 04:35:11 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:35:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
In-Reply-To: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <817387.92573.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

CONGRATS :D Good luck. :) If you need any help, of course, don't be afraid to ask. I myself am a Junior so I've been gong to college now for, what will be, four years this coming up August. I love it :)

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
To: president at nfbp.org, Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us, aspooner at blindinc.org, "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>, ddavis at blindinc.org, "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>, "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, david.gilmer at semitek.org, wolvessarah at hotmail.com, cas380 at psu.edu, "plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>, Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us, david.joles at startribune.com, paul.levy at startribune.com, president at nfbmn.org, rocketon at nfbnet.org, "Zakhnini, Karen" <KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 7:30 PM

Hi all,
I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class of
'13!  I'm a gopher!
Thx all,
Jordan
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From jess28 at samobile.net  Tue Jan 27 04:36:08 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:36:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
Message-ID: <20090127043608.17794.64721@biff.serotek.com>

Jordan,
Congratulations once again getting into your first choice of college.

-- 
Jessica Trask
www. samobile.net/users/jess28
Facebook Jessica Trask

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Tue Jan 27 04:36:42 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:36:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
Message-ID: <20090127043607.KNDJ14508.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Congrats Jordan! Enjoy college.
Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com
>To: president at nfbp.org, Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us, 
aspooner at blindinc.org, Jeffrey Thompson <JThompson6835 at q.com>, 
ddavis at blindinc.org,Shawn Mayo <smayo at blindinc.org>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,david.gilmer at semitek.org, 
wolvessarah at hotmail.com, cas380 at psu.edu, plastrilla 
<plastrilla at austin.rr.com>,Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us, 
david.joles at startribune.com, 
paul.levy at startribune.com,president at nfbmn.org, 
rocketon at nfbnet.org, "Zakhnini, Karen" <KZakhnini at nfb.org
>Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:30:49 -0600
>Subject: [nabs-l] Good News

>Hi all,
>I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a 
Freshman class of
>'13!  I'm a gopher!
>Thx all,
>Jordan
>lilrichie411 at gmail.com
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli
cious%40suddenlink.net


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 05:59:27 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:59:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <497E7083.8070503@gmail.com>
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
	<auto-000085274497@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<20090126232302.GI19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<497E7083.8070503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090127055927.GK19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>

It seems the most practical way to do math on a QWERTY keyboard is to 
learn LaTeX.

Joseph

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 09:25:07PM -0500, Robert Spangler wrote:
> I also see the netbook surpassing the Braille note taker; however, I  
> don't understand how one is going to do math as easily on the  
> laptop/netbook as they would on a Braille notetaker.  I have never used  
> a Braille display on a computer before, and perhaps it is possible this  
> way, but I find it easier to input math with a Perkins-style keyboard on  
> a note taker.  Would the Braille displays with the Perkins keyboards be  
> an equal substitute?  with the battery life of the newer EEEPC netbooks  
> from Asus I can very well see them being used as replacements for note  
> takers.
>
> Robby


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 09:19:51 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:19:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
In-Reply-To: <20090127043608.17794.64721@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090127043608.17794.64721@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901270119t36b364fbl4cc04a1b44fc82b2@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations.  I remember when I firstgot accepted to FSU.  I was
so overjoyed and excited it wasn't funny.  FSU is great.  I wonder if
that's what Heaven is sometimes.
Beth

On 1/26/09, Jessica Trask <jess28 at samobile.net> wrote:
> Jordan,
> Congratulations once again getting into your first choice of college.
>
> --
> Jessica Trask
> www. samobile.net/users/jess28
> Facebook Jessica Trask
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 06:04:57 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:04:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E236CB2F37C74B25B14DE75B166F194D@Dezman>

Congrads Jordan. Way to go.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: <president at nfbp.org>; <Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<aspooner at blindinc.org>; "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>; 
<ddavis at blindinc.org>; "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
<david.gilmer at semitek.org>; <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>; <cas380 at psu.edu>; 
"plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>; <Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<david.joles at startribune.com>; <paul.levy at startribune.com>; 
<president at nfbmn.org>; <rocketon at nfbnet.org>; "Zakhnini, Karen" 
<KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News


> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class 
> of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 06:05:04 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:05:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38F0ACF5CE1C49FB9E868EC2140ACDA7@Dezman>

Congrads Jordan. Way to go.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: <president at nfbp.org>; <Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<aspooner at blindinc.org>; "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>; 
<ddavis at blindinc.org>; "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
<david.gilmer at semitek.org>; <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>; <cas380 at psu.edu>; 
"plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>; <Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<david.joles at startribune.com>; <paul.levy at startribune.com>; 
<president at nfbmn.org>; <rocketon at nfbnet.org>; "Zakhnini, Karen" 
<KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News


> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class 
> of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 06:05:12 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:05:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C2FD604C52942BDAC628C2A7FF84464@Dezman>

Congrads Jordan. Way to go.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: <president at nfbp.org>; <Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<aspooner at blindinc.org>; "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>; 
<ddavis at blindinc.org>; "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
<david.gilmer at semitek.org>; <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>; <cas380 at psu.edu>; 
"plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>; <Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<david.joles at startribune.com>; <paul.levy at startribune.com>; 
<president at nfbmn.org>; <rocketon at nfbnet.org>; "Zakhnini, Karen" 
<KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News


> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class 
> of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 13:24:54 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
In-Reply-To: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901270524l63e01e6cl6f983838ab696714@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations! I wish you the very best.
Merisa

On 1/26/09, Jordan Richardson <lilrichie411 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merisa.musemic%40gmail.com
>


From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 15:52:25 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 10:52:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c98097$42166230$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

congradulations! have fun!
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: <president at nfbp.org>; <Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<aspooner at blindinc.org>; "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>; 
<ddavis at blindinc.org>; "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
<david.gilmer at semitek.org>; <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>; <cas380 at psu.edu>; 
"plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>; <Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<david.joles at startribune.com>; <paul.levy at startribune.com>; 
<president at nfbmn.org>; <rocketon at nfbnet.org>; "Zakhnini, Karen" 
<KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News


> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class 
> of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com 



From billyc07nm at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 27 16:40:26 2009
From: billyc07nm at yahoo.com (Billy)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 08:40:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Portland NABS
Message-ID: <115807.32831.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Everyone,I am a new member of the list so forgive me if this topic has been recently discussed.  I am wondering if there is a nabs group in the ortland OR area.  If not are there students here who would be interested in having one?  I attend Lewis & Clark College.  I look forward to getting to know all of you and i hope to be a productive member of this list.
Bill


      


From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 17:07:38 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:07:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
In-Reply-To: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <497f3f4e.2834440a.4a97.47f9@mx.google.com>

Jordan, 

Very cool! Congrats! 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From jonte711 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 19:45:03 2009
From: jonte711 at gmail.com (jonte)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:45:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Portland NABS
Message-ID: <497f6419.0807c00a.716d.61d3@mx.google.com>

Hey Billy, 
I realize that this doesn't exactly pertain to the topic at hand, but does Lewis and Clark have a good foreign language or linguistics program? And are the professors accomodating? 
Thanks, 
Jonte Bouchard 

-----Original Message-----
From: Billy <billyc07nm at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:40 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Portland NABS

Hey Everyone,I am a new member of the list so forgive me if this topic has been recently discussed.  I am wondering if there is a nabs group in the ortland OR area.  If not are there students here who would be interested in having one?  I attend Lewis & Clark College.  I look forward to getting to know all of you and i hope to be a productive member of this list.
Bill


      

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jonte711%40gmail.com



From kimthurman at insightbb.com  Tue Jan 27 21:50:00 2009
From: kimthurman at insightbb.com (Kim Thurman)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:50:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <E260F2B16EFD4FB3B5766B1A6F2F0E41@TINYLAPTOP>
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
	<E260F2B16EFD4FB3B5766B1A6F2F0E41@TINYLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <00a501c980c9$33ef1c60$9bcd5520$@com>

Sara,

What brand netbook do you have, and did you buy the carrying case separate
and where, if I may ask?  

Thanks in advance!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Sarah J. Blake
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers

I have a Netbook that I've been using for about three months. I bought a 
second battery, and it fits nicely in the carrying case along with my 
Brailliant 24 and USB cable. The case opens with the computer still in it, 
so I only need to remove the Brailliant and hool it up. Set-up and boot-up 
takes about 45 seconds. I'm quite happy with this arrangement. The whole 
thing with the Brailliant weighs about four pounds, and I get all the 
functionality of the laptop.


I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insight
bb.com



From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 22:07:34 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:07:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F2EE90C3C7E4EFFB90A773486E5E218@Dezman>

Congrads Jordan. Way to go.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: <president at nfbp.org>; <Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<aspooner at blindinc.org>; "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>; 
<ddavis at blindinc.org>; "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
<david.gilmer at semitek.org>; <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>; <cas380 at psu.edu>; 
"plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>; <Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<david.joles at startribune.com>; <paul.levy at startribune.com>; 
<president at nfbmn.org>; <rocketon at nfbnet.org>; "Zakhnini, Karen" 
<KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News


> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class 
> of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com
> 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Tue Jan 27 22:44:59 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:44:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [NFBAffiliatePresidents] Michigan Job Notice
Message-ID: <004b01c980d0$e298fe00$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hi guys

Those who live in Michigan or close enough to move there for a great job 
might be interested in this.

Serena
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Castellano" <carol_castellano at verizon.net>
To: <serenacucco at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:12 PM
Subject: Fw: [NFBAffiliatePresidents] Michigan Job Notice


> Perhaps the student list would be interested in this job posting?
> M
>
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 11:20 AM
>>>Subject: [NFBAffiliatePresidents] Michigan Job Notice
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>>Here is a very good job opening.  It is good pay, a good city and best 
>>>>of
>>>>all a great state affiliate.  Christine Boone is the Director of the
>>>>Michigan Training center.  She is working hard to make it a good center.
>>>>
>>>>Please let me know if you have questions.
>>>>
>>>>Warmest Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Fred
>>>>
>>>>Good morning -
>>>>The vacancy for the Rehabilitation Consultant 13 position at the MCB
>>>>Training Center
>>>>has been posted on the Michigan Dept of Civil Service website:
>>>>www.michigan.gov/mdcs
>>>>.  The person in this position will be a consultant on assistive 
>>>>technology
>>>>matters
>>>>for staff and consumers. A link to the PD is on the posting.  If you 
>>>>have
>>>>any questions
>>>>about the job itself, contact Christine Boone at the
>>>>Training Center
>>>>(269-337-3848). If you have questions about the application process, 
>>>>feel
>>>>free to
>>>>contact me.
>>>>Bob Robertson
>>>>MI Commission for the Blind
>>>>517-373-8829
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>NFBAffiliatePresidents mailing list
>>>>NFBAffiliatePresidents at nfbnet.org
>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbaffiliatepresidents_nfbnet.org
>
> 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Tue Jan 27 23:23:45 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 18:23:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News
References: <ca301f5e0901261930m4f50d61bn91d6eae08e20c883@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901c980d6$4d4a4740$0201a8c0@Serene>



Congrats!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jordan Richardson" <lilrichie411 at gmail.com>
To: <president at nfbp.org>; <Al.Krantz at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<aspooner at blindinc.org>; "Jeffrey Thompson" <JThompson6835 at q.com>; 
<ddavis at blindinc.org>; "Shawn Mayo" <smayo at blindinc.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; 
<david.gilmer at semitek.org>; <wolvessarah at hotmail.com>; <cas380 at psu.edu>; 
"plastrilla" <plastrilla at austin.rr.com>; <Tim.Maaske at anoka.k12.mn.us>; 
<david.joles at startribune.com>; <paul.levy at startribune.com>; 
<president at nfbmn.org>; <rocketon at nfbnet.org>; "Zakhnini, Karen" 
<KZakhnini at nfb.org>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:30 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Good News


> Hi all,
> I got accepted to the University of Minnesota!  I am now a Freshman class 
> of
> '13!  I'm a gopher!
> Thx all,
> Jordan
> lilrichie411 at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 23:50:00 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:50:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Portland NABS
In-Reply-To: <115807.32831.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <115807.32831.qm@web90401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090127235000.GN19694@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Hi Bill,

I am Joseph Carter of Monmouth, Oregon (but only until June) and I 
have thought it a terrible thing that we do not have an Oregon 
Association of Blind Students before.  The problem is that we have a 
hard time identifying like-minded blind students in this state 
because neither the colleges nor the Commission for the Blind are 
exactly eager to help us reach out to one another.

Count me as interested, at the very least.

Joseph

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 08:40:26AM -0800, Billy wrote:
>Hey Everyone,I am a new member of the list so forgive me if this topic has been recently discussed.  I am wondering if there is a nabs group in the ortland OR area.  If not are there students here who would be interested in having one?  I attend Lewis & Clark College.  I look forward to getting to know all of you and i hope to be a productive member of this list.
>Bill
>
>
>      
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 00:30:56 2009
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (pyyhkala at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:30:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <00a501c980c9$33ef1c60$9bcd5520$@com>
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena>
	<E260F2B16EFD4FB3B5766B1A6F2F0E41@TINYLAPTOP>
	<00a501c980c9$33ef1c60$9bcd5520$@com>
Message-ID: <695ace540901271630l5069177bmfedef52261b50f16@mail.gmail.com>

I would also be curious on your reports regarding best brands and
models of Netbooks.

A friend looked at the Asus models and was impressed with the keyboard.

Best,
Mika
micro blog
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala


On 1/27/09, Kim Thurman <kimthurman at insightbb.com> wrote:
> Sara,
>
> What brand netbook do you have, and did you buy the carrying case separate
> and where, if I may ask?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Sarah J. Blake
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 7:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
>
> I have a Netbook that I've been using for about three months. I bought a
> second battery, and it fits nicely in the carrying case along with my
> Brailliant 24 and USB cable. The case opens with the computer still in it,
> so I only need to remove the Brailliant and hool it up. Set-up and boot-up
> takes about 45 seconds. I'm quite happy with this arrangement. The whole
> thing with the Brailliant weighs about four pounds, and I get all the
> functionality of the laptop.
>
>
> I'm protected by SpamBrave
> http://www.spambrave.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insight
> bb.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pyyhkala%40gmail.com
>


From noreply at serotek.com  Wed Jan 28 04:03:29 2009
From: noreply at serotek.com (Serotek Announcements)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:03:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Serotek to Launch Online Radio Station
Message-ID: <auto-000085535963@mailfront2.g2host.com>


For Immediate Release

Media Contact:
<mailto:pr at serotek.com>pr at serotek.com
612.720.1068

Technical Contact :
<mailto:info at serotek.com>info at serotek.com

Serotek to Launch Online Radio Station

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn - January 27, 2009 - Serotek 
Corporation, the leading provider of internet and 
digital information accessibility software and 
services, will launch a new online radio station 
this week. The station is called SAMNet Radio and 
can be heard from 
<http://radio.samobile.net/>http://radio.samobile.net. 
The name of the station is derived from Serotek's 
online community, the System Access Mobile 
Network, or SAMNet. SAMNet Radio will air the 
best music of the last 40 years, the latest 
technology news, live and interactive voice 
chats, and a portal for all to know what is 
happening in the SAMNet community. Directed at an 
audience who is blind or has low vision, SAMNet 
Radio's slogan is "Your station, your community." 
The station's manager is Michael Lauf, former 
creator, host and producer of HandiTalk, the 
first interactive internet radio program to 
discuss the needs of the blind and visually 
impaired. "I'm excited to oversee a radio station 
that specializes in the needs and interests of 
the visually impaired community," said Michael 
Lauf, SAMNet Radio station manager, "The 
combination of music, home-grown podcasts, access 
technology news and interviews, and interactive 
talk shows, all on one radio station, will make 
us like no other entity in the world." The 
inaugural broadcast will stream live on 
Wednesday, January 28, from the Internet Café of 
the Assistive Technology Industry Association 
(ATIA) annual conference in Orlando, Florida. 
Those unable to attend ATIA can hear what is 
happening at the event and stay abreast of news 
announced at the show. Reactions to the first 
broadcast will also be discussed during the next 
installment of Serotalk, Serotek's podcast and 
interactive blog. For more information about 
Serotalk, visit 
<http://www.serotalk.com/>http://www.serotalk.com. 
To add the RSS feed for Serotalk to your web 
browser, news reader or podcatcher, visit 
<http://serotalk.com/feed>http://serotalk.com/feed.

Serotek Corporation
Serotek Corporation is a leading technology 
company that develops software and manufactures 
accessibility solutions under the System Access 
brand. Committed to the mission of providing 
accessibility anywhere, Serotek began with the 
launch of the first online community specifically 
designed to meet the needs of people with visual 
impairment. Since then, Serotek has introduced 
several powerful, affordable solutions that 
require minimal training and investment. For more 
information, visit www.serotek.com.



From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Wed Jan 28 05:14:34 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:14:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Testing Procedures
Message-ID: <20090128051434.29095.38159@biff.serotek.com>

Fellow Federationists:

I would like your advice. I have decided to opt out of the SSD office 
at my university in most cases because it's not terribly efficient in 
helping blind students succeed in a timely and convenient fashion. 
generally speaking, I have been able to arrange appropriate 
accommodations without difficulty. Most teachers have been really 
helpful in providing tests and other homework in electronic format, or 
letting me decide who to work with and under what conditions. Recently, 
i began a class in Special education. The professor uses a test program 
that apparently doesn't allow for electronic tests usable by students 
in any fashion. So, I decided that hiring a reader would be 
appropriate. At first, my teacher agreed providing that I cover myself 
by giving her proof of my blindness such as an eligibility letter for 
voc rehab services. I was fine with that. Tonight however, she sent me 
an e-mail saying that she'd never had a student opt out of using SSD 
offices, so she asked a higher-up in her department if I could indeed 
use my own reader. Apparently, according to her, I cannot. Apparently, 
I am required to use SSD provided readers for this exam. I was under 
the impression that I am allowed to hire and utilize my own readers 
and/or choose not to utilize SSD support in my classes. I can 
understand why she would prefer me to use an SSD reader so as to guard 
against possible cheating. I, however, am perfectly fine not hiring the 
reader who ordinarily reads my textbook to me. i have a few readers to 
choose from. What are my rights in this situation? What are my options? 
What would you do if you were me? Thanks very much for your help.

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From sarah at growingstrong.org  Wed Jan 28 05:40:57 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:40:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
References: <785057EDE782482BA47EB6734EF3FE1E@Athena><E260F2B16EFD4FB3B5766B1A6F2F0E41@TINYLAPTOP><00a501c980c9$33ef1c60$9bcd5520$@com>
	<695ace540901271630l5069177bmfedef52261b50f16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <979A47938DDF4CD5A128C4556FCE2DD7@TINYLAPTOP>

I went with the Acer, as it seemed to have the best ratings on battery life. 
It has function key assignments for turning off the touchpad and backlight. 
I am getting about 5.5 hours on a six-cell battery with wireless turned on 
and a braille display connected via USB.


I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/



From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 05:50:49 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:50:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Testing Procedures
In-Reply-To: <20090128051434.29095.38159@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090128051434.29095.38159@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901272150w645755ebx9e69ea97c8f5be26@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps you should contact SSD and see what they can offer you? They might
be able to help for a one-time thing without giving you much trouble. Or at
least you could contact someone higher up yourself and find out what the
rules are. Ask if you can see a policy in writing so that you know for sure
everyone has their facts straight, or see about setting up a contract with
the professor and the reader that would put the professor's mind at ease.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I would like your advice. I have decided to opt out of the SSD office at my
> university in most cases because it's not terribly efficient in helping
> blind students succeed in a timely and convenient fashion. generally
> speaking, I have been able to arrange appropriate accommodations without
> difficulty. Most teachers have been really helpful in providing tests and
> other homework in electronic format, or letting me decide who to work with
> and under what conditions. Recently, i began a class in Special education.
> The professor uses a test program that apparently doesn't allow for
> electronic tests usable by students in any fashion. So, I decided that
> hiring a reader would be appropriate. At first, my teacher agreed providing
> that I cover myself by giving her proof of my blindness such as an
> eligibility letter for voc rehab services. I was fine with that. Tonight
> however, she sent me an e-mail saying that she'd never had a student opt out
> of using SSD offices, so she asked a higher-up in her department if I could
> indeed use my own reader. Apparently, according to her, I cannot.
> Apparently, I am required to use SSD provided readers for this exam. I was
> under the impression that I am allowed to hire and utilize my own readers
> and/or choose not to utilize SSD support in my classes. I can understand why
> she would prefer me to use an SSD reader so as to guard against possible
> cheating. I, however, am perfectly fine not hiring the reader who ordinarily
> reads my textbook to me. i have a few readers to choose from. What are my
> rights in this situation? What are my options? What would you do if you were
> me? Thanks very much for your help.
>
> --
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 07:01:01 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:01:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
Message-ID: <667654.56945.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm running Windows 7 Beta Build 7000 under a trial of VMWare Fusion on my MacBook. So far JAWS has had no issues, except for some commands. I'm having issues assigning a JAWS key. Obviously there's no insert on the Macintosh keyboard, but even when I managed to assign one (I forgot to save it) commands like JAWS+F12 didn't work. Now on teh Macintosh keyboard, F12 doubles up as the Volume Up key. I assigned the Backslash to the JAWS key, and neither Backslash+F12, nor FN+Backslash+F12 worked. Also does anyone know of a good all-in-one IM client, similar to Adium on the Mac, that JAWS won't have any issues with? Other than these shortcomings I'm enjoying Windows 7 and think this is going to be one worth getting when it comes out.  



      

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 08:00:58 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:00:58 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <979A47938DDF4CD5A128C4556FCE2DD7@TINYLAPTOP>
References: <695ace540901271630l5069177bmfedef52261b50f16@mail.gmail.com>
	<979A47938DDF4CD5A128C4556FCE2DD7@TINYLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20090128080058.GA50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Sarah, is your Braille display USB-powered or battery?

Joseph

I'm protected by the fact that nobody cares enough to write viruses 
for Mac or UNIX systems.  *grin*

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:40:57AM -0500, Sarah J. Blake wrote:
> I went with the Acer, as it seemed to have the best ratings on battery 
> life. It has function key assignments for turning off the touchpad and 
> backlight. I am getting about 5.5 hours on a six-cell battery with 
> wireless turned on and a braille display connected via USB.
>
>
> I'm protected by SpamBrave
> http://www.spambrave.com/


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 08:06:06 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:06:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Testing Procedures
In-Reply-To: <20090128051434.29095.38159@biff.serotek.com>
References: <20090128051434.29095.38159@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090128080606.GB50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Jedi,

I am working on a project now to document the process of making a DSO 
actually useful for blind students.  Unfortunately, I may be somewhat 
hampered by the office in question at my university being targeted by 
a blame-shifting attempt in relation to ongoing discrimination by my 
faculty.  Still, much of the work is done already, and now it's just 
a matter of writing it up.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:14:34AM -0500, Jedi wrote:
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I would like your advice. I have decided to opt out of the SSD office at 
> my university in most cases because it's not terribly efficient in  
> helping blind students succeed in a timely and convenient fashion.  
> generally speaking, I have been able to arrange appropriate  
> accommodations without difficulty. Most teachers have been really  
> helpful in providing tests and other homework in electronic format, or  
> letting me decide who to work with and under what conditions. Recently,  
> i began a class in Special education. The professor uses a test program  
> that apparently doesn't allow for electronic tests usable by students in 
> any fashion. So, I decided that hiring a reader would be appropriate. At 
> first, my teacher agreed providing that I cover myself by giving her 
> proof of my blindness such as an eligibility letter for voc rehab 
> services. I was fine with that. Tonight however, she sent me an e-mail 
> saying that she'd never had a student opt out of using SSD offices, so 
> she asked a higher-up in her department if I could indeed use my own 
> reader. Apparently, according to her, I cannot. Apparently, I am required 
> to use SSD provided readers for this exam. I was under the impression 
> that I am allowed to hire and utilize my own readers and/or choose not to 
> utilize SSD support in my classes. I can understand why she would prefer 
> me to use an SSD reader so as to guard against possible cheating. I, 
> however, am perfectly fine not hiring the reader who ordinarily reads my 
> textbook to me. i have a few readers to choose from. What are my rights 
> in this situation? What are my options? What would you do if you were me? 
> Thanks very much for your help.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 08:12:46 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:12:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
In-Reply-To: <667654.56945.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <667654.56945.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090128081246.GC50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Rob,

How does JAWS work with VMWare?  I had some trouble with it under 
Parallels.  I'm told Window Eyes also works, but as I do not have a 
license, I'm reluctant to clutter a virtual machine with droppings of 
something I cannot afford and is only a demo, even if I do happen to 
prefer it to JAWS.

Joseph

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:01:01PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>I'm running Windows 7 Beta Build 7000 under a trial of VMWare Fusion on my MacBook. So far JAWS has had no issues, except for some commands. I'm having issues assigning a JAWS key. Obviously there's no insert on the Macintosh keyboard, but even when I managed to assign one (I forgot to save it) commands like JAWS+F12 didn't work. Now on teh Macintosh keyboard, F12 doubles up as the Volume Up key. I assigned the Backslash to the JAWS key, and neither Backslash+F12, nor FN+Backslash+F12 worked. Also does anyone know of a good all-in-one IM client, similar to Adium on the Mac, that JAWS won't have any issues with? Other than these shortcomings I'm enjoying Windows 7 and think this is going to be one worth getting when it comes out.  


From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 08:50:38 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:50:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
In-Reply-To: <20090128081246.GC50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <451289.87196.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

JAWS runs fine under VMWare. I just need to get those gaps in the command structure filled due to the shortcomings of the keyboard. I have yet to try Window Eyes. I will say this though: DO NOT attempt to run MAGic or Zoom Text or any magnifier other than the one in the Ease of Access Center that Microsoft provides. MAGic will NOT work because the graphics chip set in the MacBook is not powerful enough (it's an Intel GMA 3100 Integrated). ZoomText is interesting - one word: Blocks. Everything looks blocky or snake-like. In otherwords: If you are focused on the start button, and you move your cursor up, several start buttons will follow the cursor, creating a pile of them. As far as screen readers, though, JAWS is fine. 

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:12 AM

Rob,

How does JAWS work with VMWare?  I had some trouble with it under Parallels. 
I'm told Window Eyes also works, but as I do not have a license, I'm
reluctant to clutter a virtual machine with droppings of something I cannot
afford and is only a demo, even if I do happen to prefer it to JAWS.

Joseph

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:01:01PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
> I'm running Windows 7 Beta Build 7000 under a trial of VMWare Fusion
on my MacBook. So far JAWS has had no issues, except for some commands. I'm
having issues assigning a JAWS key. Obviously there's no insert on the
Macintosh keyboard, but even when I managed to assign one (I forgot to save it)
commands like JAWS+F12 didn't work. Now on teh Macintosh keyboard, F12
doubles up as the Volume Up key. I assigned the Backslash to the JAWS key, and
neither Backslash+F12, nor FN+Backslash+F12 worked. Also does anyone know of a
good all-in-one IM client, similar to Adium on the Mac, that JAWS won't have
any issues with? Other than these shortcomings I'm enjoying Windows 7 and
think this is going to be one worth getting when it comes out.  

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 28 09:12:27 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:12:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
In-Reply-To: <20090128081246.GC50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <649821.34444.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Also, if you would like to see exactly how JAWS does under Windows 7 and VMWare Fusion, you can check out this video I made for YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJl5j2v6Pk0

--- On Wed, 1/28/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
From: T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 12:12 AM

Rob,

How does JAWS work with VMWare?  I had some trouble with it under Parallels. 
I'm told Window Eyes also works, but as I do not have a license, I'm
reluctant to clutter a virtual machine with droppings of something I cannot
afford and is only a demo, even if I do happen to prefer it to JAWS.

Joseph

On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 11:01:01PM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
> I'm running Windows 7 Beta Build 7000 under a trial of VMWare Fusion
on my MacBook. So far JAWS has had no issues, except for some commands. I'm
having issues assigning a JAWS key. Obviously there's no insert on the
Macintosh keyboard, but even when I managed to assign one (I forgot to save it)
commands like JAWS+F12 didn't work. Now on teh Macintosh keyboard, F12
doubles up as the Volume Up key. I assigned the Backslash to the JAWS key, and
neither Backslash+F12, nor FN+Backslash+F12 worked. Also does anyone know of a
good all-in-one IM client, similar to Adium on the Mac, that JAWS won't have
any issues with? Other than these shortcomings I'm enjoying Windows 7 and
think this is going to be one worth getting when it comes out.  

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com



      

From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 12:49:28 2009
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (pyyhkala at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:49:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <20090128080058.GA50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <695ace540901271630l5069177bmfedef52261b50f16@mail.gmail.com>
	<979A47938DDF4CD5A128C4556FCE2DD7@TINYLAPTOP>
	<20090128080058.GA50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <695ace540901280449k465c2647h37787e0b3bf9f6c4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
Do you know the model number of that Acer product?

And how is the keyboard overall for typing, and in terms of including
good tab, insert, etc. keys?

How is the speaker on the unit?

I know as far as laptops generally I have liked the Lenovo keyboards,
and I think some of the newer Lenovo X series small laptops have
stereo speakers although the X series would cost often $1,500-$3,500
depending on the specs and options you get.

Best,
Mika
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala

On 1/28/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarah, is your Braille display USB-powered or battery?
>
> Joseph
>
> I'm protected by the fact that nobody cares enough to write viruses
> for Mac or UNIX systems.  *grin*
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:40:57AM -0500, Sarah J. Blake wrote:
>> I went with the Acer, as it seemed to have the best ratings on battery
>> life. It has function key assignments for turning off the touchpad and
>> backlight. I am getting about 5.5 hours on a six-cell battery with
>> wireless turned on and a braille display connected via USB.
>>
>>
>> I'm protected by SpamBrave
>> http://www.spambrave.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pyyhkala%40gmail.com
>


From sarah at growingstrong.org  Wed Jan 28 14:11:17 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 09:11:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
References: <695ace540901271630l5069177bmfedef52261b50f16@mail.gmail.com><979A47938DDF4CD5A128C4556FCE2DD7@TINYLAPTOP><20090128080058.GA50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<695ace540901280449k465c2647h37787e0b3bf9f6c4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7ED1D53188AE4710AF2172B9FF2A546F@TINYLAPTOP>

The machine I am using is the Acer Aspire One. The keyboard is only slightly 
than the one on my Lenovo Thinkpad S61. There are arrow keys on the lower 
righthand side, pgup above left arrow and pgdn above right arrow. Used with 
function key (which is 2nd key from bottom left next to ctrl) pgup and pgdn 
are home and end respectively. Del is on the top right and ins is next to 
it. Esc and F keys are on the top row. Main keyboard is standard. The 
touchpad is very small, below spacebar, and can be disabled with fn+F7. 
Screen backlight disables with fn+F6. Fn+up and down arrows control the 
volume; fn+left and right arrows control screen brightness.

The unit has a card slot, USB port, ethernet, monitor port, and power 
connection on left side and mic jack, earphone, two USB, and card slot on 
the right side. Internal mic is very good quality for this type of 
machine--it is located on the hinge behind the keyboard. Webcam is in the 
center top of the lid when open. Speakers are stereo.

Like a number of new laptops, this machine uses the Intel Graphics Mobile 
Accelerator. It took some tweaking to make it play nice with JAWS, but it is 
doable. I would blame this on Acer, but I had the same problem with Lenovo 
and I suspect that FS will need to address compatibility issues with these 
configurations. Perhaps it is less of an issue with Vista; but I refuse to 
use Vista at this point in time. The Acer machine comes with XP Home. At 
first glance, it seems to be a low-power machine: it has 1GB of memory. 
However, I am running it fairly hard: often have seven or eight windows open 
including Word. There are a few things that can be disabled in order to free 
up some memory for your own use. It is running generally as well as my 
3GB/3GHZ machine.



I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/



From brucev at dessci.com  Wed Jan 28 18:16:08 2009
From: brucev at dessci.com (Bruce Virga)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:16:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Press Release: MathDaisy Beta Released / Accessibility
Message-ID: <auto-000083553165@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Hi,

We are sending this message because you asked us to keep you informed
about our progress in math accessibility products and technologies.

We at Design Science are happy to announce the beta release of our
newest product, MathDaisy. MathDaisy adds support to the DAISY
Consortium's DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY, to convert
documents with equations to the accessible DAISY format.

MathDaisy is currently undergoing beta testing, with final release
expected around the CSUN Conference in March. If you would like to try
out the beta version of MathDaisy, please send email to beta at dessci.com.

The press release has been published on our website, and included below.
http://dev.dessci/en/company/press/releases/090128.htm

Best Regards,
--Bruce

Bruce Virga
EVP of Sales & Business Development, COO
brucev at dessci.com

Tel: +1 (562) 432-2920
Fax: +1 (562) 432-2857

Design Science, Inc. -- www.dessci.com
140 Pine Avenue, 4th Floor
Long Beach, California 90802 USA

~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, WebEQ, Equation
Editor ~

--------------------------------------
For Immediate Release

MathDaisy Adds Math Support to DAISY Production Tools

MathDaisy, now in beta, adds math support to the DAISY Consortium's
DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY products

Orlando, Florida - January 28, 2009 - At the ATIA 2009 Conference today,
Design Science announced the release of the MathDaisy beta, an add-on
for the DAISY Consortium's DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY
products, which are also expected to be released as betas at ATIA.
MathDaisy adds support for mathematical equations, making them
accessible to students, teachers, engineers, and scientists with
disabilities.

DAISY (Digital Accessible Information SYstem) is an XML standard for
producing accessible and navigable multimedia documents, including
Digital Talking Books (DTBook), digital text books, and synchronized
audio/text books. DAISY is a globally recognized standard for accessible
content. It is used by NIMAS (National Instructional Materials
Accessibility Standard) for accessible K-12 textbooks and by ePub, a
widely used standard for digital books. The latest version of the DAISY
standard requires that mathematics be represented in MathML, the World
Wide Web Consortium's standard for representing math notation in XML.

MathDaisy is Design Science's add-in for both the DAISY Pipeline
software and the Save As DAISY add-in for Microsoft Word. These products
both convert documents into DAISY's DTBook format. If the original
documents contain mathematical equations, then users of those products
will need MathDaisy to handle them and make them accessible.

Save As DAISY is an open source software package developed by Microsoft.
Once installed, it adds a "Save As Daisy" command to Microsoft Word XP,
2003, and 2007. This command converts an open Microsoft Word document
into DAISY's DTBook format, making use of the DAISY Pipeline. MathDaisy
installs into Save As Daisy adding math support.

The DAISY Pipeline and Save as DAISY work just fine for many user's
needs. However, organizations with their own publishing workflow, or
those wanting to create a more automated or more powerful DAISY
production facility, should be interested in Design Science's MathFlow
line of products.

About Design Science
Founded in 1986 and headquartered in Long Beach, California, Design
Science develops software used by educators, scientists and publishing
professionals, including MathType, Equation Editor in Microsoft Office,
WebEQ, MathFlow and MathPlayer, to communicate on the web and in print.
For more information please visit www.dessci.com.

###



From brucev at dessci.com  Wed Jan 28 18:19:17 2009
From: brucev at dessci.com (Bruce Virga)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:19:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Press Release: MathDaisy Beta Released / Accessibility
Message-ID: <auto-000083553789@mailfront1.g2host.com>

[corrected link]

Hi,

We are sending this message because you asked us to keep you informed
about our progress in math accessibility products and technologies.

We at Design Science are happy to announce the beta release of our
newest product, MathDaisy. MathDaisy adds support to the DAISY
Consortium's DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY, to convert
documents with equations to the accessible DAISY format.

MathDaisy is currently undergoing beta testing, with final release
expected around the CSUN Conference in March. If you would like to try
out the beta version of MathDaisy, please send email to beta at dessci.com.

The press release has been published on our website, and included below.
http://www.dessci.com/en/company/press/releases/090128.htm

Best Regards,
--Bruce

Bruce Virga
EVP of Sales & Business Development, COO
brucev at dessci.com

Tel: +1 (562) 432-2920
Fax: +1 (562) 432-2857

Design Science, Inc. -- www.dessci.com
140 Pine Avenue, 4th Floor
Long Beach, California 90802 USA

~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, WebEQ, Equation
Editor ~

--------------------------------------
For Immediate Release

MathDaisy Adds Math Support to DAISY Production Tools

MathDaisy, now in beta, adds math support to the DAISY Consortium's
DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY products

Orlando, Florida - January 28, 2009 - At the ATIA 2009 Conference today,
Design Science announced the release of the MathDaisy beta, an add-on
for the DAISY Consortium's DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY
products, which are also expected to be released as betas at ATIA.
MathDaisy adds support for mathematical equations, making them
accessible to students, teachers, engineers, and scientists with
disabilities.

DAISY (Digital Accessible Information SYstem) is an XML standard for
producing accessible and navigable multimedia documents, including
Digital Talking Books (DTBook), digital text books, and synchronized
audio/text books. DAISY is a globally recognized standard for accessible
content. It is used by NIMAS (National Instructional Materials
Accessibility Standard) for accessible K-12 textbooks and by ePub, a
widely used standard for digital books. The latest version of the DAISY
standard requires that mathematics be represented in MathML, the World
Wide Web Consortium's standard for representing math notation in XML.

MathDaisy is Design Science's add-in for both the DAISY Pipeline
software and the Save As DAISY add-in for Microsoft Word. These products
both convert documents into DAISY's DTBook format. If the original
documents contain mathematical equations, then users of those products
will need MathDaisy to handle them and make them accessible.

Save As DAISY is an open source software package developed by Microsoft.
Once installed, it adds a "Save As Daisy" command to Microsoft Word XP,
2003, and 2007. This command converts an open Microsoft Word document
into DAISY's DTBook format, making use of the DAISY Pipeline. MathDaisy
installs into Save As Daisy adding math support.

The DAISY Pipeline and Save as DAISY work just fine for many user's
needs. However, organizations with their own publishing workflow, or
those wanting to create a more automated or more powerful DAISY
production facility, should be interested in Design Science's MathFlow
line of products.

About Design Science
Founded in 1986 and headquartered in Long Beach, California, Design
Science develops software used by educators, scientists and publishing
professionals, including MathType, Equation Editor in Microsoft Office,
WebEQ, MathFlow and MathPlayer, to communicate on the web and in print.
For more information please visit www.dessci.com.

###



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 18:25:55 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:25:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nfbcs] Press Release: MathDaisy Beta Released /
	Accessibility
Message-ID: <4980a309.1dbe7e0a.2441.ffffa073@mx.google.com>

I thought some might be interested in this. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbcs-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bruce Virga (by way of David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:16 PM
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfbcs] Press Release: MathDaisy Beta Released / Accessibility

Hi,

We are sending this message because you asked us to keep you informed
about our progress in math accessibility products and technologies.

We at Design Science are happy to announce the beta release of our
newest product, MathDaisy. MathDaisy adds support to the DAISY
Consortium's DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY, to convert
documents with equations to the accessible DAISY format.

MathDaisy is currently undergoing beta testing, with final release
expected around the CSUN Conference in March. If you would like to try
out the beta version of MathDaisy, please send email to beta at dessci.com.

The press release has been published on our website, and included below.
http://dev.dessci/en/company/press/releases/090128.htm

Best Regards,
--Bruce

Bruce Virga
EVP of Sales & Business Development, COO
brucev at dessci.com

Tel: +1 (562) 432-2920
Fax: +1 (562) 432-2857

Design Science, Inc. -- www.dessci.com
140 Pine Avenue, 4th Floor
Long Beach, California 90802 USA

~ Makers of MathType, MathFlow, MathPlayer, MathDaisy, WebEQ, Equation
Editor ~

--------------------------------------
For Immediate Release

MathDaisy Adds Math Support to DAISY Production Tools

MathDaisy, now in beta, adds math support to the DAISY Consortium's
DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY products

Orlando, Florida - January 28, 2009 - At the ATIA 2009 Conference today,
Design Science announced the release of the MathDaisy beta, an add-on
for the DAISY Consortium's DAISY Pipeline and Microsoft's Save As DAISY
products, which are also expected to be released as betas at ATIA.
MathDaisy adds support for mathematical equations, making them
accessible to students, teachers, engineers, and scientists with
disabilities.

DAISY (Digital Accessible Information SYstem) is an XML standard for
producing accessible and navigable multimedia documents, including
Digital Talking Books (DTBook), digital text books, and synchronized
audio/text books. DAISY is a globally recognized standard for accessible
content. It is used by NIMAS (National Instructional Materials
Accessibility Standard) for accessible K-12 textbooks and by ePub, a
widely used standard for digital books. The latest version of the DAISY
standard requires that mathematics be represented in MathML, the World
Wide Web Consortium's standard for representing math notation in XML.

MathDaisy is Design Science's add-in for both the DAISY Pipeline
software and the Save As DAISY add-in for Microsoft Word. These products
both convert documents into DAISY's DTBook format. If the original
documents contain mathematical equations, then users of those products
will need MathDaisy to handle them and make them accessible.

Save As DAISY is an open source software package developed by Microsoft.
Once installed, it adds a "Save As Daisy" command to Microsoft Word XP,
2003, and 2007. This command converts an open Microsoft Word document
into DAISY's DTBook format, making use of the DAISY Pipeline. MathDaisy
installs into Save As Daisy adding math support.

The DAISY Pipeline and Save as DAISY work just fine for many user's
needs. However, organizations with their own publishing workflow, or
those wanting to create a more automated or more powerful DAISY
production facility, should be interested in Design Science's MathFlow
line of products.

About Design Science
Founded in 1986 and headquartered in Long Beach, California, Design
Science develops software used by educators, scientists and publishing
professionals, including MathType, Equation Editor in Microsoft Office,
WebEQ, MathFlow and MathPlayer, to communicate on the web and in print.
For more information please visit www.dessci.com.

###


_______________________________________________
nfbcs mailing list
nfbcs at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbcs:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/liz.bottner%40gmail.c
om



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Jan 28 18:53:38 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:53:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act Introduced
Message-ID: <auto-000083560937@mailfront1.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Christopher S. Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



U.S. Representatives Edolphus Towns and Cliff Stearns
Introduce Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act



National Federation of the Blind Applauds Measure
  to Protect Lives and Preserve Independence of Blind Americans



Washington, DC (January 28, 2009):  Representatives Edolphus "Ed" 
Towns (D-NY) and Cliff Stearns (R-FL) today introduced H.R. 734, a 
bill intended to protect the blind and other pedestrians from injury 
or death as a result of silent vehicle technology.  The Pedestrian 
Safety Enhancement Act of 2009 requires the Secretary of 
Transportation to conduct a study on how to protect the blind and 
others from being injured or killed by vehicles using hybrid, 
electric, and other silent engine technologies.  Thirty-two original 
co-sponsors have already signed on to the bill.



Because blind pedestrians cannot locate and evaluate traffic using 
their vision, they must listen to traffic to discern its speed, 
direction, and other attributes in order to travel safely and 
independently.  Other people, including pedestrians who are not 
blind, bicyclists, runners, and small children, also benefit from 
hearing the sound of vehicle engines.  New vehicles that employ 
hybrid or electric engine technology can be silent, rendering them 
extremely dangerous in situations where vehicles and pedestrians come 
into proximity with each other.



"The National Federation of the Blind appreciates the wise and 
decisive action taken today by Congressmen Towns and Stearns to 
preserve the right to safe and independent travel for the blind," 
said Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the 
Blind.  "The blind, like all pedestrians, must be able to travel to 
work, to school, to church, and to other places in our communities 
without being injured or killed.  This bill will benefit all 
pedestrians for generations to come as new vehicle technologies 
become more prevalent.  The blind of America will do everything in 
our power to ensure its swift passage."

  "The beneficial trend toward more environmentally friendly vehicles 
has had the unintended effect of placing the blind and other 
pedestrians in danger," said Representative Towns.  "As someone who 
taught travel with a white cane to the blind for many years, I 
understand that the sound of traffic is critically important in order 
for them to travel safely and independently.  This bill will prevent 
many injuries and fatalities while still allowing more clean vehicles 
on our nation's roads."



"I understand the safety concerns of blind pedestrians with these 
quiet automobiles; I have heard the same concerns from senior 
citizens in my district, and I appreciate the threat to children, 
bicyclists, and runners," said Representative Stearns.  "I deeply 
appreciate the support of all parties in supporting this important 
safety legislation."



The bill requires the Secretary of Transportation, within ninety days 
of its enactment, to commence a two-year study to determine the best 
means to provide the blind and other pedestrians with information 
about the location, motion, speed, and direction of vehicles.  Upon 
completion of the study, the Secretary will report the findings of 
the study to Congress and, within ninety days, establish a minimum 
vehicle safety standard for all new vehicles sold in the United 
States.  Automobile manufacturers will have two years to comply with 
the vehicle safety standard.





###







About the National Federation of the Blind



With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.




From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 28 19:39:21 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:39:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] 2009 Washington Seminar Materials
Message-ID: <auto-000085686189@mailfront2.g2host.com>




Legislative Agenda of Blind Americans:
Priorities for the 111th Congress, FIRST Session


           The National Federation of the Blind 
(NFB) is the oldest and largest organization of 
blind people in the United States.  As the Voice 
of the Nation’s Blind, we present the collective 
views of blind people throughout society.  All of 
our leaders and the vast majority of our members 
are blind, but anyone can participate in our 
movement.  There are an estimated 1.3 million 
blind people in the United States, and every year 
approximately 75,000 Americans become blind.  The 
social and economic consequences of blindness 
affect not only blind people, but also our 
families, our friends, and our coworkers.

           Three legislative initiatives demand 
the immediate attention of the 111th Congress in its first session:
1.     We urge Congress to ensure the safety of 
blind and other pedestrians by passing the 
Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act.  This 
legislation would require the U.S. Secretary of Transportation to:
·       Begin a study within ninety days of its 
enactment to determine the most practical means 
of assuring that blind and other pedestrians 
receive essentially similar information to what 
they now receive from sound emitted by internal combustion engines;
·       Determine the minimum amount of sound 
necessary to offer sufficient information for 
blind pedestrians to make safe travel judgments 
based on appropriate scientific research and 
consultation with blind Americans and other affected groups;
·       Within two years of beginning the study, 
promulgate a motor vehicle safety standard to 
address the needs of blind and other pedestrians 
by requiring either a minimum level of sound or 
an equally effective means of providing the same 
information as is available from hearing internal combustion engines; and
·       Apply the standard to all motor vehicles 
manufactured or sold in the United States 
beginning no later than two years after the date it is promulgated.


2.     We urge Congress to work with blind 
Americans to create a Technology Bill of Rights 
for the Blind that mandates consumer electronics, 
home appliances, and office equipment to provide 
user interfaces that are accessible through 
nonvisual means.  This legislation should:

·       Mandate that all consumer electronics, 
home appliances, and office equipment be designed 
so that blind people can access the same 
functions as sighted people through nonvisual 
means and with substantially equivalent ease of use;

·       Create a commission comprised of 
essential stakeholders to establish standards for 
nonvisual accessibility of electronic devices 
intended for use in the home or office;
·       Endow the commission with enforcement 
powers or locate it within a government agency having such powers; and
·       Authorize it to reexamine and rewrite 
standards to keep pace with the evolution of consumer electronic technology.

3.     We urge Congress to promote and facilitate 
the transition by blind Americans from recipients 
of Social Security Disability Insurance benefits 
to income-earning, taxpaying, productive members 
of the American workforce by enacting legislation to:

·       Replace the monthly earnings penalty with 
a graduated 3-for-1 phase-out (i.e., a $1 
reduction in benefits for each $3 earned above the limit);

·       Replace the monthly earnings test with an 
annualized earnings test with an amount equal to 
twelve times. Substantial Gainful Activity amount; and

·       Establish an impairment-related work 
expense deduction for blind Social Security 
Disability Insurance beneficiaries equal to the 
amount applicable for this deduction when 
determining an appropriate income subsidy under 
Medicare Part D or 16.3 percent of earnings, whichever is greater.


           For more information about these 
priorities, please see below or consult the attached fact sheets.

           Blind Americans need your help to 
achieve our goals of economic security, increased 
opportunity, and full integration into American 
society on a basis of equality.  Enactment of 
these legislative proposals will represent 
important steps toward reaching these goals.  We 
need the help and support of each member of 
Congress.  Our success benefits not only us, but 
the whole of America as well.  In this time of 
national economic insecurity, these measures will 
contribute to increasing the tax base and 
encouraging the purchase of consumer goods.

ENHANCING PEDESTRIAN SAFETY:  ENSURING THE BLIND 
CAN CONTINUE TO TRAVEL SAFELY AND INDEPENDENTLY


Purpose:  To require hybrid, electric, and other 
vehicles to emit a minimum level of sound to 
alert blind and other pedestrians of their presence.

Background:  Until recently independent travel 
for the blind has been a relatively simple 
matter, once a blind person has been trained in 
travel techniques and has learned to use a white 
cane or travel with a guide dog.  Blind people 
listen to the sounds of automobile engines to 
determine the direction, speed, and pattern of 
traffic.  Sounds from traffic tell blind 
pedestrians how many vehicles are near them and 
how fast they are moving, whether the vehicles 
are accelerating or decelerating, and whether the 
vehicles are traveling toward, away from, or 
parallel to them.  With all of this information, 
blind people can accurately determine when it is 
safe to advance into an intersection or across a 
driveway or parking lot.  The information 
obtained from listening to traffic sounds allows 
blind people to travel with complete confidence 
and without assistance. Studies have shown that 
sighted pedestrians also use this information when traveling.

           Over the past few years, however, 
vehicles that are completely silent in certain 
modes of operation have come on the market, and 
many more silent vehicles are expected in the 
near future.  These vehicles are designed to have 
many benefits, including improved fuel efficiency 
and reduced emissions, but they do not need to be 
silent in order to achieve these intended 
benefits.  An unintended consequence of these 
vehicles as they are currently designed is that 
they will reduce the independence of blind 
Americans and endanger the lives, not only of 
blind people, but also of small children, seniors, cyclists, and runners.

           Currently the most popular of these 
vehicles is the gasoline-electric hybrid, which 
alternates between running on a gasoline engine 
and on battery power (although a few electric 
automobiles are already on America’s roads and 
new all-electric models are planned).  The blind 
of America do not oppose the proliferation of 
vehicles intended to reduce damage to the 
environment, but for safety these vehicles must 
meet a minimum sound standard.

           On April 9, 2008, Congressmen Ed Towns 
and Cliff Stearns introduced H.R. 5734 (the 
Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act of 2008).  This 
legislation sought to solve the problem of silent 
cars by authorizing a two-year study to determine 
the best method for allowing blind individuals to 
recognize the presence of silent cars, and by 
requiring that, two years after the study was 
completed, all new vehicles sold in the United 
States must comply with the solution determined 
by the study.  In the 110th Congress, 
eighty-eight members of the House cosponsored this legislation.

Need for Congressional Action:  For several years 
the National Federation of the Blind has been 
concerned about the proliferation of silent 
vehicles.  Recently automobile manufacturers have 
acknowledged the problems posed to blind 
pedestrians by silent vehicle technology and have 
begun to work with the National Federation of the 
Blind to seek solutions.  However, federal 
regulators have indicated that, in the absence of 
statistics on injuries or deaths caused by hybrid 
vehicles, nothing can be done.  Congress must 
therefore direct the Department of Transportation 
to take action.  It is crucial that this problem 
be addressed before the inevitable avalanche of 
tragedies involving blind people, small children, 
seniors, cyclists, runners, and newly blinded veterans shocks the nation.

Proposed Legislation:  Congressmen Towns and 
Stearns have reintroduced the Pedestrian Safety 
Enhancement Act to direct the Secretary of 
Transportation to conduct a study and establish a 
motor vehicle safety standard that provides a 
means of alerting blind and other pedestrians of 
motor vehicle operation, based on appropriate 
scientific research and consultation with blind 
Americans and other affected groups.  This 
national motor vehicle safety standard must have 
the following characteristics:
    * In all phases of operation (including times 
when the vehicle is at a full stop) vehicles 
shall be required to emit an omni-directional 
sound with similar spectral characteristics to 
those of a modern internal combustion engine.
    * The sound should vary in a way that is 
consistent with the sound of vehicles with 
combustion engines to indicate whether the 
vehicle is idling, maintaining a constant speed, 
accelerating, or decelerating.
           The standard need not prescribe the 
apparatus, technology, or method to be used by 
vehicle manufacturers to achieve the required 
minimum sound level.  This approach will 
encourage manufacturers to use innovative and 
cost-effective techniques to achieve the minimum sound standard.
           The addition of components to emit a 
minimum sound discernible by blind and other 
pedestrians will not negatively affect 
environmental benefits of gasoline-electric 
hybrids and other automobiles running on 
alternate power sources, and the emitted sound 
need not be loud enough to contribute to noise 
pollution.  Automobiles that operate in complete 
silence, however, endanger the safety of all of 
us; silent operation should be viewed as a design 
flaw comparable to the lack of seat belts or air bags.

Requested Action:  Please support blind Americans 
by cosponsoring the Pedestrian Safety Enhancement 
Act to authorize the U.S. Department of 
Transportation to establish and promulgate 
regulations specifying a minimum sound standard 
for all new automobiles sold in the United 
States.  In the House of Representatives, members 
can be added by contacting Emily Khoury in 
Congressman Towns’s office, or James Thomas in 
Congressman Stearns’s office.  In the Senate 
members can support independence for blind 
Americans by sponsoring companion legislation.


Contact Information:
Jesse Hartle
Government Programs Specialist
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
Phone:  (410) 659-9314, extension 2233
Email:  jhartle at nfb.org

A TECHNOLOGY BILL OF RIGHTS FOR THE BLIND


Purpose:  To create a Technology Bill of Rights 
for the Blind that mandates consumer electronics, 
home appliances, and office equipment to provide 
user interfaces that are accessible through nonvisual means.

Background:  In recent years rapid advances in 
microchip and digital technology have led to 
increasingly complex user interfaces for everyday 
products like consumer electronics, home 
appliances, and office equipment.  Many new 
devices in these categories require user 
interaction with visual displays, on-screen 
menus, touch screens, and other user interfaces 
that are inaccessible to individuals who are 
blind or have low vision.  No longer are settings 
on the television, home stereo system, or 
dishwasher controlled by knobs, switches, and 
buttons that can be readily identified and whose 
settings can be easily discerned, with or without 
the addition of tactile markings by the 
user.  Moreover, the use of inaccessible 
interfaces on office equipment such as copiers 
and fax machines makes these devices unusable by 
the blind and therefore a potential threat to a 
blind person’s existing job or a barrier to obtaining new employment.

           This growing threat to the 
independence and productivity of blind people is 
unnecessary since digital devices can function 
without inaccessible interfaces.  Today 
text-to-speech technology is inexpensive and more 
nearly ubiquitous than it has ever been; it is 
used in everything from automated telephone 
systems to the weather forecasting service 
broadcast by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric 
Administration.  Indeed, a few manufacturers have 
incorporated this technology into their products 
to create talking menus or to articulate what is 
on the display; there is no reason why other 
manufacturers cannot do so as well.  And 
text-to-speech technology is not the only 
mechanism by which consumer electronics, home 
appliances, and office equipment can be made accessible to blind people.

Need for Legislation:  Currently there are no 
enforceable mandates for manufacturers of 
consumer electronics, home appliances, or office 
equipment to make their devices accessible and no 
accessibility standards to provide guidance to 
manufacturers on how to avoid creating barriers 
to access by the blind.  Congress should 
therefore enact a Technology Bill of Rights for 
the Blind, which clearly establishes that 
manufacturers must create accessible user 
interfaces for their products, provide a means 
for enforcement, and establish standards that 
will provide meaningful benchmarks that 
manufacturers can use to make their products accessible.

           Congress need not mandate a single, 
one-size-fits-all solution for all consumer 
technology.   Rather any such legislation should 
mandate regulations that set meaningful 
accessibility standards, while at the same time 
allowing manufacturers to select from a menu of 
potential solutions that, singly or in 
combination, will allow blind users to operate 
the technology easily and successfully.  This 
will not only give manufacturers the freedom and 
flexibility they desire, but encourage 
innovations that make consumer technology more usable for everyone.



Proposed Legislation:  Congress should enact a 
Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind that:

    * Mandates that all consumer electronics, 
home appliances, and office equipment  be 
designed so that blind people are able to access 
the same functions as sighted people by nonvisual 
means and with substantially equivalent ease of use; and

    * Creates a commission to establish standards 
for nonvisual accessibility of electronic devices 
intended for use in the home or office.  Such a 
commission should represent all stakeholders, 
including organizations of the blind; 
manufacturers of consumer electronics, home 
appliances, and office equipment or associations 
representing such manufacturers; and experts on 
universal design, electronic engineering, and 
related fields.  This commission should have 
enforcement powers or be housed within a 
government agency having such powers (e.g., U.S. 
Department of Commerce), and should be authorized 
to reexamine and rewrite standards periodically, 
as consumer electronic technology continues to evolve.

Requested Action:  Please support blind Americans 
by introducing legislation to create a Technology 
Bill of Rights for the Blind (or by cosponsoring 
once legislation has been introduced) so that 
blind people will be able to participate fully in 
all aspects of American society.  Increased 
access leads to increased independence, increased 
employment, and increased tax revenue.



Contact Information:
James McCarthy
Government Programs Specialist
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
Phone:  (410) 659-9314, extension 2240
Email:  jmccarthy at nfb.org

REMOVING THE EARNINGS PENALTY:  A COMMON SENSE 
WORK INCENTIVE FOR BLIND SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFICIARIES


Purpose:  To promote and facilitate the 
transition by blind Americans from Social 
Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) 
beneficiaries to income-earning, taxpaying, 
productive members of the American workforce.

Background:  The unemployment rate for 
working-age blind people is over 70 
percent.  Part of the reason for this 
disproportionately high statistic is the myths 
and misconceptions about the true capacities of 
blind people.  These erroneous perceptions are 
manifested when employers refuse to hire the blind.

           In addition, governmental programs 
intended to help blind people meet their basic 
economic needs, especially the SSDI program, have 
had the unintended consequence of creating an 
incentive for blind people to remain unemployed 
or underemployed despite their desire to 
work.  Low societal expectations result in low 
representation of the blind in the 
workforce.  This low representation of the blind 
reinforces low societal expectations­it is a 
vicious circle that perpetuates systemic 
employment discrimination against the blind.

           Despite the efforts of the National 
Federation of the Blind, blindness still has 
profound social and economic 
consequences.  Governmental programs should 
encourage blind people to reach their full 
employment potential; they should not encourage economic dependence.

Existing Law:  Title II of the Social Security 
Act provides that disability benefits paid to 
blind beneficiaries are eliminated if the 
beneficiary exceeds a monthly earnings 
limit.  This earnings limit is in effect a 
penalty imposed on blind Americans when they 
work.  This penalty imposed by the SSDI program 
means that, if a blind person earns just $1 over 
$1,640 (the monthly limit in 2009 following a 
Trial Work Period), all benefits are lost.

           Section 216(i)(1)(B) of the Social 
Security Act defines blindness as a disability 
based on objective measurement of acuity and 
visual field, as opposed to the subjective 
criterion of inability to perform Substantial 
Gainful Activity (SGA).  For blind people, doing 
work valued at the SGA earnings limit terminates 
benefits but does not terminate disability.  Only 
blind people not working or those with work 
earnings below an annually adjusted statutory 
earnings limit receive benefits.

Need for Legislation:  When a blind person enters 
the workforce, there is no guarantee that wages 
earned will replace SSDI benefits after taxes are 
paid and work expenses are deducted.  For 
example, Jane worked as a customer service 
representative with an annual income of $35,000 
until she became blind from diabetic 
retinopathy.  Jane meets the criteria for SSDI 
benefits, which provide income of $1,060 a month 
(or $12,720 a year) tax-free while she is not 
working.  Jane wants additional income to meet 
her financial needs.  After an adjustment period 
and blindness skills training, she finds 
employment as a part-time representative making 
$10 an hour for 35 hours a week.  Jane grosses 
$350 a week for an average of $1,517 a 
month.  Using a conservative 25 percent 
withholding tax, Jane nets $1,137.50 from her 
work, combined with her $1,060 disability 
benefit, for a net total of $2,197.50 a 
month.  If Jane should have the opportunity to 
work full time (40 hours), her weekly salary 
would go up to $400 a week for a monthly average 
of $1,733.  This amount is over the 2009 earnings 
limit, so Jane loses all of her disability 
benefits.  Using the same 25 percent tax level, 
Jane nets only $1,300 a month­working an extra 
five hours a week has cost Jane $897.50 net 
income (over $10,500 a year).  This example 
illustrates the work disincentive contained in current law.

           A gradual reduction of $1 in benefits 
for every $3 earned over the earnings limit would 
remove the earnings penalty and provide a 
financial incentive to work.  The benefit amount 
paid to an individual will gradually decrease, 
while the individual’s contribution to the Social 
Security trust fund increases over time.  Under 
this approach, as Jane earns more, she pays more 
into the trust fund, and her dependence on benefits decreases.

           Monthly earnings evaluations are 
unnecessarily complicated for both the 
beneficiaries and the Social Security 
Administration.  Since the medical prognosis for 
blind people rarely changes, and because 
blindness is objectively measurable, blind people 
should be subject to an annual earnings test with 
the limit equal to the twelve times applicable monthly SGA amount.

           Under current law blind workers 
frequently pay for items and services related to 
their disabilities that are necessary for them to 
work, and they are permitted to subtract these 
Impairment Related Work Expenses (IRWE) from 
monthly earnings when determining monthly 
income.  Properly crediting IRWE poses a serious 
challenge to the SSDI program and creates a lack 
of predictability for the blind person trying to 
determine whether benefits will be available.  To 
address both issues, Congress should permit SSDI 
recipients to claim the same amount used when 
determining an income subsidy under the Medicare 
prescription drug program, currently 16.3 percent.

           Congress should enact legislation to:
·       Provide that earnings of blind SSDI 
beneficiaries in excess of the annual earnings 
limit result in a gradual benefit reduction of $1 
for each $3 earned over the limit;
·       Establish an annual earnings test for blind SSDI beneficiaries; and
·       Establish one standard IRWE deduction for 
blind SSDI beneficiaries equal to the amount 
presently applicable for this deduction when 
determining an appropriate income subsidy under 
the Medicare prescription drug program or 16.3 
percent of earnings, whichever is greater.

Requested Action:  Please support blind Americans 
by cosponsoring legislation that provides a 
common sense work incentive for blind Social Security beneficiaries.

Contact Information:
James McCarthy
Government Programs Specialist
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
Phone:  (410) 659-9314, extension 2240
Email:  jmccarthy at nfb.org

The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments:

2009-Washington-Seminar-Legislative-Agenda-and-FactSheets.doc



Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail 
programs may prevent sending or receiving certain 
types of file attachments.  Check your e-mail 
security settings to determine how attachments are handled.  
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: 2009-Washington-Seminar-Legislative-Agenda-and-FactSheets1.doc
Type: application/msword
Size: 131072 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://nfbnet.org/pipermail/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/attachments/20090128/15d5ce1b/attachment.doc>

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 19:39:49 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:39:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
In-Reply-To: <451289.87196.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <20090128081246.GC50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<451289.87196.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090128193949.GD50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Rob,

If you are using VMWare Fusion, you can use the Mac's own UA 
magnifier.  This has saved my bacon time and again dealing with tiny 
elements under Windows.

It also looks better than I've ever seen ZoomText look because of the 
bicubic interpolation used and the continuous zoom.  No more size X 
is too small, size Y is too big.  Zoom in enough to see what you 
can't, and that's it.

This won't follow the keyboard cursor automatically--the one major 
failing of the UA Magnifier.  To use the UA Magnifier (you doubtless 
already know this), press command-option-8 to toggle the function on, 
then command-option-equals and command-option-dash to increase and 
decrease the size.  You can reverse colors without turning off colors 
(something Apple keeps going back and forth on doing it the mousey 
way) using control-command-option-8.  Enlarging the Macintosh mouse 
cursor (which is not interpolated unfortunately) using the UA 
prefpane also enlarges the cursor under Parallels and VMWare Fusion, 
by the way.

I still find myself using the keyboard for most things.  I find that 
between VoiceOver, UA Magnifier, UA Cursor Zoom, and VMWare Fusion, a 
24" iMac is almost the ideal system for me.  Now if only Apple had 
seen fit to put eSATA connectors on it.  Ah well.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 12:50:38AM -0800, Rob Lambert wrote:
>JAWS runs fine under VMWare. I just need to get those gaps in the command structure filled due to the shortcomings of the keyboard. I have yet to try Window Eyes. I will say this though: DO NOT attempt to run MAGic or Zoom Text or any magnifier other than the one in the Ease of Access Center that Microsoft provides. MAGic will NOT work because the graphics chip set in the MacBook is not powerful enough (it's an Intel GMA 3100 Integrated). ZoomText is interesting - one word: Blocks. Everything looks blocky or snake-like. In otherwords: If you are focused on the start button, and you move your cursor up, several start buttons will follow the cursor, creating a pile of them. As far as screen readers, though, JAWS is fine. 


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 20:08:04 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:08:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <7ED1D53188AE4710AF2172B9FF2A546F@TINYLAPTOP>
References: <695ace540901280449k465c2647h37787e0b3bf9f6c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<7ED1D53188AE4710AF2172B9FF2A546F@TINYLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20090128200804.GF50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The Aspire One is a cute machine.  I couldn't use its keyboard 
however.  Unfortunately when you start looking for ultralight systems 
with real keyboards, you start looking at some pretty expensive 
laptops instead of cheap netbooks, despite the fact that the laptops 
in question are pretty similar to a netbook in terms of speed and 
features.  Sony, Lenovo, and IBM all make laptops around three pounds 
with massively scaled-back performance that rightly should be called 
netbooks, but cost more than some notetakers.

They're sure nice machines if you have a "real" computer at home.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 09:11:17AM -0500, Sarah J. Blake wrote:
> The machine I am using is the Acer Aspire One. The keyboard is only 
> slightly than the one on my Lenovo Thinkpad S61. There are arrow keys on 
> the lower righthand side, pgup above left arrow and pgdn above right 
> arrow. Used with function key (which is 2nd key from bottom left next to 
> ctrl) pgup and pgdn are home and end respectively. Del is on the top 
> right and ins is next to it. Esc and F keys are on the top row. Main 
> keyboard is standard. The touchpad is very small, below spacebar, and can 
> be disabled with fn+F7. Screen backlight disables with fn+F6. Fn+up and 
> down arrows control the volume; fn+left and right arrows control screen 
> brightness.
>
> The unit has a card slot, USB port, ethernet, monitor port, and power  
> connection on left side and mic jack, earphone, two USB, and card slot on 
> the right side. Internal mic is very good quality for this type of  
> machine--it is located on the hinge behind the keyboard. Webcam is in the 
> center top of the lid when open. Speakers are stereo.
>
> Like a number of new laptops, this machine uses the Intel Graphics Mobile 
> Accelerator. It took some tweaking to make it play nice with JAWS, but it 
> is doable. I would blame this on Acer, but I had the same problem with 
> Lenovo and I suspect that FS will need to address compatibility issues 
> with these configurations. Perhaps it is less of an issue with Vista; but 
> I refuse to use Vista at this point in time. The Acer machine comes with 
> XP Home. At first glance, it seems to be a low-power machine: it has 1GB 
> of memory. However, I am running it fairly hard: often have seven or 
> eight windows open including Word. There are a few things that can be 
> disabled in order to free up some memory for your own use. It is running 
> generally as well as my 3GB/3GHZ machine.
>
>
>
> I'm protected by SpamBrave
> http://www.spambrave.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com


From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 20:31:40 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 15:31:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS, Windows 7, and VMWare Fusion
In-Reply-To: <667654.56945.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <667654.56945.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4980c06d.0609c00a.0df8.327d@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

Regarding all-in-one IM clients, I use Miranda, and it works well for me.
Write me off list if you have further questions.

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 





From sarah at growingstrong.org  Wed Jan 28 21:19:20 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:19:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
References: <695ace540901280449k465c2647h37787e0b3bf9f6c4@mail.gmail.com><7ED1D53188AE4710AF2172B9FF2A546F@TINYLAPTOP>
	<20090128200804.GF50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <0DAD32BB5A8842A89A243F74FD24912C@TINYLAPTOP>

If you can't use the Acer keyboard, you have some serious big hands or else 
you simply have a major preference for standard keyboards. I know of two men 
who are using this machine with no problems. The keyboard takes some getting 
used to, but they both did it.

I say it's all in what you look for. If you want to be picky, you will pay a 
lot more. If you need a low budget solution and are willing to be flexible, 
you may be surprised at what you can work with--as well as how well "cheap" 
machines function. Most laptops are seriously overpriced due to the extra 
bells and whistles, software, etc.


I'm protected by SpamBrave
http://www.spambrave.com/



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Jan 28 22:01:59 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:01:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Testing Procedures
References: <20090128051434.29095.38159@biff.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c98194$0b7fd640$0201a8c0@Serene>

You don't have an absolute right to use your own reader for tests.  All the 
ADA says is that the college needs to provide a reasonable accommodation, in 
this case, the ODS readers.  Also, the test is the college's administering 
something, not your own reading/studying time.  If you feel comfortable, 
have a meeting with the DSO people to see why they won't let you use your 
own reader--if they simply want you to use their services or if they think 
there's too much possibility of someone's cheating.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:14 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Testing Procedures


> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I would like your advice. I have decided to opt out of the SSD office at 
> my university in most cases because it's not terribly efficient in helping 
> blind students succeed in a timely and convenient fashion. generally 
> speaking, I have been able to arrange appropriate accommodations without 
> difficulty. Most teachers have been really helpful in providing tests and 
> other homework in electronic format, or letting me decide who to work with 
> and under what conditions. Recently, i began a class in Special education. 
> The professor uses a test program that apparently doesn't allow for 
> electronic tests usable by students in any fashion. So, I decided that 
> hiring a reader would be appropriate. At first, my teacher agreed 
> providing that I cover myself by giving her proof of my blindness such as 
> an eligibility letter for voc rehab services. I was fine with that. 
> Tonight however, she sent me an e-mail saying that she'd never had a 
> student opt out of using SSD offices, so she asked a higher-up in her 
> department if I could indeed use my own reader. Apparently, according to 
> her, I cannot. Apparently, I am required to use SSD provided readers for 
> this exam. I was under the impression that I am allowed to hire and 
> utilize my own readers and/or choose not to utilize SSD support in my 
> classes. I can understand why she would prefer me to use an SSD reader so 
> as to guard against possible cheating. I, however, am perfectly fine not 
> hiring the reader who ordinarily reads my textbook to me. i have a few 
> readers to choose from. What are my rights in this situation? What are my 
> options? What would you do if you were me? Thanks very much for your help.
>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit 
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Jan 28 22:09:43 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:09:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] o/t who uses AIM 5.9?
Message-ID: <000c01c98195$1fd039e0$0201a8c0@Serene>

Hey guys

Do any of you use AIM 5.9 anymore?  Do any of you know how to sign on     invisibly?  Either using Jaws independently or what a sighted person should look for to help me do it?  I'm told that, in the newer versions of AIM, there's a picture of an eye (because invisibly means others can't see you're on AIM), but, when my mom tried to help me go invisible, she didn't see a picture of an eye in 5.9.  I'm using Jaws 7.0.

Thanks,
Serena    

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 28 23:49:54 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:49:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Lists on nfbnet.org
Message-ID: <auto-000085752972@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I am pleased to be able to tell you about six new lists now hosted on 
nfbnet.org.  They include:

* NFB of Maryland list
* North Dakota Talk
* South Dakota Talk
* Tidewater Virginia chapter list
* Missouri Parents Network
* youth-outreach

Below is information on  all the lists with instructions on how to 
subscribe to each.

Dave

nfbmd:

NFBMD is the e-mail list of the National
Federation of the Blind of Maryland. The purpose of this group is to 
provide information to anyone interested in events and issues 
effecting blind people in Maryland. This group will facilitate
discussion on topics related to blindness,
chapter and state activities, and state and local
resources. There will also be occasional posts
concerning issues of major importance to the
blind as well as announcements concerning activities of the National 
Federation of the Blind on the national level.

To subscribe either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmd_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to nfbmd-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe 
in the subject line by itself.


nd-talk:

ND-Talk is the e-mail list of the National Federation of the Blind of North
Dakota. The purpose of this group is to provide information to anyone 
interested in events and issues effecting blind people
in North Dakota. This group will facilitate discussion on topics 
related to blindness. There will also be occasional
posts concerning issues of major importance to the blind as well as 
announcements concerning activities of the National
Federation of the Blind on the national, state, and local levels.

To subscribe to this list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nd-talk_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to nd-talk-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line by itself.


sd-talk:

SD-Talk is the e-mail list of the National Federation of the Blind of 
South Dakota. The purpose of this group is to provide information to 
anyone interested
in events and issues effecting blind people
in South Dakota. This group will facilitate discussion on topics 
related to blindness. There will also be occasional
posts concerning issues of major importance to the blind as well as 
announcements concerning activities of the National Federation of the 
Blind on the national,
state, and local levels.

To subscribe to this list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/sd-talk_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to sd-talk-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject field by itself.


Tidewater-chapter:

We are the NFB of Virginia Tidewater Chapter and we are growing. Our 
President is
Stewart Prost. We cover the Norfolk and Portsmouth areas as well as 
parts of Virginia Beach and Chesapeake. We meet every 3rd Saturday at 
Orapax Greek
Restaurant in the Ghent.

To subscribe to this list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/tidewater-chapter_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to tidewater-chapter-request at nfbnet.org and put the 
word subscribe in the subject line by itself.


missouri-parents-network:

This list is for parents of blind and visually impaired children from
Missouri and is designed to provide an opportunity for Missouri
parents to network and share ideas with other parents as they seek to
find solutions and resources.

To subscribe to this list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/missouri-parents-network_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to missouri-parents-network-request at nfbnet.org and put 
the word subscribe in the subject field by itself.


youth-outreach:

The purpose of the Youth-Outreach listserv is to facilitate 
discussions among NFB members interested in building youth outreach 
programs in their chapters
and affiliates.  The listserve will be used as a forum for sharing 
information, resources, and ideas.  This listserv will help generate 
innovative approaches to inspiring and engaging blind youth and will 
build a community of those interested in improving opportunities for 
youth through the NFB.

To subscribe to this list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/youth-outreach_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to youth-outreach-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe on the subject line by itself.



From skittlesfreak69 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 00:50:21 2009
From: skittlesfreak69 at gmail.com (Karrie Kinstetter)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:50:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] o/t who uses AIM 5.9?
In-Reply-To: <000c01c98195$1fd039e0$0201a8c0@Serene>
References: <000c01c98195$1fd039e0$0201a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <008701c981ab$98c35a60$ca4a0f20$@com>

I'm using aim 6, Is aim 5.9 even still usable anymore? I don't like aim 6
that much.
Thanks,
Karrie

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Serena
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:10 PM
To: New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association of Blind
Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] o/t who uses AIM 5.9?

Hey guys

Do any of you use AIM 5.9 anymore?  Do any of you know how to sign on
invisibly?  Either using Jaws independently or what a sighted person should
look for to help me do it?  I'm told that, in the newer versions of AIM,
there's a picture of an eye (because invisibly means others can't see you're
on AIM), but, when my mom tried to help me go invisible, she didn't see a
picture of an eye in 5.9.  I'm using Jaws 7.0.

Thanks,
Serena    
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/skittlesfreak69%40gm
ail.com



From latinanewschic at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 29 04:39:06 2009
From: latinanewschic at hotmail.com (Martha Harris)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:39:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
Message-ID: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>

Hi Everyone,
I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what do you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like students and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would I not be taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has different bags?" or something like that?
Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents between 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like we come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?

Thanks,
Martha

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 04:54:49 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:54:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>

I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on my
back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally to
the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.). It
also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into town
to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just isn't
practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed for
the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine it's
a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
instead of one or just your hand.

I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, if
a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it advertising
their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would look
very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. But
a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...

However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my views
on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Martha Harris
<latinanewschic at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go
> out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at
> local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't
> wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what do
> you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like students
> and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would I not be
> taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has different
> bags?" or something like that?
> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a
> messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on
> the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with
> the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our
> professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents between
> 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not
> students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like we
> come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Martha
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>

From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 07:14:07 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:14:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24F15CD5865F45F5BE2B2C813D58DF72@MonkeyPaw>

Jamie,

If I don't go straight from the office to class I go from the office to the
gym, and on those days it would be a pain in the ass to have to carry a
laptop bag and another bag for a change of clothes.  So, even though my
office building is smack in the middle of downtown DC, and even though I
reckon everyone else in my building would never think to bring in a
backpack, I haul mine around because it's practical.  I mean, I dress to fit
the image.  I'm not going to show up wearing a backpack when I'm tripped out
in a suit, but I figure the professionalism lies in what I do, not in what I
carry.  So, majority or not, I'm with you on this one.

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jamie Principato
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?

I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on my
back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally to
the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.). It
also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into town
to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just isn't
practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed for
the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine it's
a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
instead of one or just your hand.

I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, if
a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it advertising
their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would look
very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. But
a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...

However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my views
on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Martha Harris
<latinanewschic at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to 
> go out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have 
> tables at local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress 
> professionally, and don't wear a backpack. I totally understand the 
> dress professionally, but what do you all think about backpacks? Do 
> they make us look too much like students and not professionals, and if 
> so, why? As a blind student, would I not be taken seriously because 
> "she doesn't know that everyone else has different bags?" or something
like that?
> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of 
> a messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the 
> bag on the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right 
> shoulder with the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand 
> with the dog. Our professor says that since our target audience is 
> permanent residents between
> 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not 
> students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like 
> we come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Martha
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%4
> 0gmail.com
>
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco%40gmail.com



From spaulding.scott at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 07:57:01 2009
From: spaulding.scott at gmail.com (Scott Spaulding)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:57:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
	<63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49816150.1e018e0a.54a9.0da5@mx.google.com>

I'm pretty sure I've seen professionals with backpacks at times on the bus.
I personally think they are OK if it is a professional looking bag and not
something that is brightly colored or decorated as mentioned below. However,
I will say that a rolling case looks better, in my opinion. I have a
backpack that I really like, but my back doesn't like me wearing it. So,
even though I prefer to use a backpack, I've turned to using rolling cases.
-----------------------
Please sponsor me in the 3rd annual NFB March for Independence that will
take place in Detroit MI on July 6th 2009. You can learn about the march and
sponsor me at http://www.marchforindependence.org/goto/ScottSpaulding Please
pass this URL on to anyone who you think might be interested in sponsoring
me or helping in any way.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jamie Principato
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?

I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on my
back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally to
the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.). It
also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into town
to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just isn't
practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed for
the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine it's
a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
instead of one or just your hand.

I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, if
a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it advertising
their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would look
very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. But
a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...

However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my views
on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Martha Harris
<latinanewschic at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go
> out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at
> local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't
> wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what
do
> you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like students
> and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would I not be
> taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has different
> bags?" or something like that?
> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a
> messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on
> the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with
> the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our
> professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents
between
> 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not
> students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like we
> come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Martha
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
>
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail
.com
>
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm
ail.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1917 - Release Date: 1/26/2009
6:37 PM



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 08:38:35 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:38:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] netbook replacing notetakers
In-Reply-To: <0DAD32BB5A8842A89A243F74FD24912C@TINYLAPTOP>
References: <20090128200804.GF50737@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<0DAD32BB5A8842A89A243F74FD24912C@TINYLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20090129083835.GA342@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I type 85 words per minute on a standard keyboard and can't manage 
more than about 12 on the Acer.

Consequently, I use one of the aforementioned ultralights that have a 
high price tag but a real keyboard.  Usability and carry weight were 
more important to me than cost.  Since I can and do use 
magnification as well as speech, the full-sized screen is a plus.  
The MacBook Air cost me about $1550 at the time, a significant 
discount, but still right up there with a top of the line laptop.

Only, this thing is only slightly more powerful than the average 
netbook--it's just got a real keyboard and screen, and it takes up 
almost no space in a book bag.  Most importantly, since I walk 
everywhere I go, it doesn't add additional weight to the book bag.

Joseph

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 04:19:20PM -0500, Sarah J. Blake wrote:
> If you can't use the Acer keyboard, you have some serious big hands or 
> else you simply have a major preference for standard keyboards. I know of 
> two men who are using this machine with no problems. The keyboard takes 
> some getting used to, but they both did it.
>
> I say it's all in what you look for. If you want to be picky, you will 
> pay a lot more. If you need a low budget solution and are willing to be 
> flexible, you may be surprised at what you can work with--as well as how 
> well "cheap" machines function. Most laptops are seriously overpriced due 
> to the extra bells and whistles, software, etc.


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 08:57:46 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:57:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
	<63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090129085745.GB342@yumi.bluecherry.net>

If you can get a bag with a "floating strap" it will feel lighter and 
hurt your shoulder less.  Also, I've been using convergence devices 
more and more so that I need carry less.  I also carry a 3lb computer 
instead of the traditional 6lb laptop--though these have limitations 
(see the thread on nettops--smallish keyboards and screens or high 
price tags..)

You should might be able to order just the strap from Waterfield 
(sfbags.com), which is what I use.  It's about the only affordable 
product they sell, and it's a nice strap for that sort of bag.  You 
might have to email Gary and ask him to sell you one.

Otherwise, the style of strap is one that has a shoulder pad that 
won't slip easily, and is long and stretchy.  Most fatigue from an 
over-the-shoulder bag comes from the shock of motion, and the 
stretchy shoulder pad takes most of the force out of that.  It makes 
the bag feel lighter and easier to wear.

Just a suggestion.

Joseph


On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:54:49PM -0500, Jamie Principato wrote:
>I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
>don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
>blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
>know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on my
>back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally to
>the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.). It
>also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
>painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into town
>to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just isn't
>practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
>persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
>be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed for
>the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine it's
>a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
>instead of one or just your hand.
>
>I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, if
>a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
>spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it advertising
>their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would look
>very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. But
>a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...
>
>However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my views
>on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 12:00:06 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:00:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <20090129085745.GB342@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
	<63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090129085745.GB342@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901290400p191d18b5iabff7e3c025220e8@mail.gmail.com>

Good suggestion, Joseph.  Personally, I just carry my BrailleNote
around, and have a laptop backpack for carrying my computer around
when I come to and from the university.  I don't carry backpacks
because I feel it can be harmful to the shoulders if mishandled.
Beth

On 1/29/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you can get a bag with a "floating strap" it will feel lighter and
> hurt your shoulder less.  Also, I've been using convergence devices
> more and more so that I need carry less.  I also carry a 3lb computer
> instead of the traditional 6lb laptop--though these have limitations
> (see the thread on nettops--smallish keyboards and screens or high
> price tags..)
>
> You should might be able to order just the strap from Waterfield
> (sfbags.com), which is what I use.  It's about the only affordable
> product they sell, and it's a nice strap for that sort of bag.  You
> might have to email Gary and ask him to sell you one.
>
> Otherwise, the style of strap is one that has a shoulder pad that
> won't slip easily, and is long and stretchy.  Most fatigue from an
> over-the-shoulder bag comes from the shock of motion, and the
> stretchy shoulder pad takes most of the force out of that.  It makes
> the bag feel lighter and easier to wear.
>
> Just a suggestion.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:54:49PM -0500, Jamie Principato wrote:
>>I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
>>don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
>>blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
>>know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on my
>>back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally
>> to
>>the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.).
>> It
>>also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
>>painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into
>> town
>>to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just isn't
>>practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
>>persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
>>be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed
>> for
>>the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine
>> it's
>>a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
>>instead of one or just your hand.
>>
>>I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, if
>>a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
>>spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it advertising
>>their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would look
>>very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. But
>>a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...
>>
>>However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my views
>>on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Jan 29 14:54:14 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:54:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
	<63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090129095414.598ilaejkkk0w4wc@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi,
I know a lot of sighted professionals who use backpacks. I sort of  
understand, like Jamie, but I don't see any problem with it. Good luck.
Sarah

Quoting Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>:

> I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
> don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
> blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
> know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on my
> back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally to
> the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.). It
> also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
> painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into town
> to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just isn't
> practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
> persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
> be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed for
> the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine it's
> a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
> instead of one or just your hand.
>
> I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, if
> a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
> spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it advertising
> their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would look
> very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. But
> a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...
>
> However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my views
> on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Martha Harris
> <latinanewschic at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go
>> out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at
>> local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't
>> wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what do
>> you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like students
>> and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would I not be
>> taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has different
>> bags?" or something like that?
>> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a
>> messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on
>> the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with
>> the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our
>> professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents between
>> 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not
>> students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like we
>> come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martha
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40utoronto.ca
>





From enews at codefactory.info  Thu Jan 29 15:09:35 2009
From: enews at codefactory.info (Code Factory_eNews)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 09:09:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] First 2009 update of Mobile Speak for Symbian phones
Message-ID: <auto-000085864578@mailfront2.g2host.com>



Caroline Ragot - Marketing Director
<mailto:marketing at codefactory.es>marketing at codefactory.es

Mobile Speak V3.80


First 2009 update of Mobile Speak for Symbian phones




Support for the latest Samsung and Nokia phones, new Acapela voices 
and new built-in user dictionary feature.


Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, January 29th, 2009

It's only January, but Code Factory is pleased to announce that its 
first update for Mobile Speak for Symbian Phones in 2009 is now 
available free-of-charge to our valued customers. Version 3.80 
includes support for new mobile phones and voices, implementation of 
unique new features as well as significant improvements in terms of 
stability and voice responsiveness.


Support for new phones

    * Mobile Speak is the first screen reader to support Samsung 
Symbian 3rd Edition phones, including: Samsung i450, Samsung i550, 
Samsung i7110, Samsung i8510 INNOV8, Samsung G810, and Samsung L870.
    * As usual, Mobile Speak supports the latest Nokia Symbian 9.2 
and 9.3 phones. These include: Nokia E63, Nokia N79, Nokia N85 and 
Nokia AT&T 6650.


Text-to-speech improvements

    * Support for new Acapela voices: Finnish Sanna HQ, Czech Eliska 
HQ, Canadian French Louise HQ, UK English Peter HQ, UK English Rachel 
HQ, Spanish Maria HQ, US Spanish Rosa HQ, Swedish Elin HQ, Italian 
Vittorio HQ, Polish Ania HQ and Norwegian Vegard. All existing 
Acapela voices have also been improved, so current Acapela users will 
need to update their TTS packages.
    * Improved responsiveness and quality of Loquendo voices. The 
Loquendo Common package has changed, so all Loquendo TTS users should 
update this package to benefit from increased responsiveness and 
voice quality.
    * The Nokia and Nokia HQ voices are now registered automatically 
when another voice is registered on the phone (either trial or 
commercial license). A separate license number is no longer needed 
for these voices. A list of the Nokia phones which support the 
built-in Nokia HQ voices can be found at: 
<http://www.codefactory.es/additional_docs/en/nokiaTTS_EN.html#2>http://www.codefactory.es/additional_docs/en/nokiaTTS_EN.html#2 



New features

    * Built-in user dictionary manager which allows users to add, 
replace, and modify the user dictionary for all voices installed on 
the phone. For example if you often receive SMS messages with 
acronyms which are not pronounced in the way that you prefer, you can 
create entries to the user dictionary permitting, for example "ASAP" 
to be replaced with "as soon as possible", "PTMM" with "please tell 
me more", "LOL" with "laugh out loud", etc.
    * Mobile Speak now speaks the mini Symbol Table, on supported 
devices. This table appears as a horizontal list in the first menu 
item when pressing the * key within an editor in most new devices. 
Simply navigate left and right with the joystick to hear all recent 
symbol entries, and press enter to select the current symbol. If the 
desired symbol is not in the list, press the joystick down and then 
press Enter to open the standard symbol table.
    * Command feedback: Feedback is given when pressing either of the 
softkeys, the joystick enter key, or the menu key. This option is 
configurable through the Mobile Speak control panel (it is Off by 
default in Normal and Low verbosity, On in high verbosity, and user 
configurable in Custom verbosity).
    * 3G status is now spoken (if it is available), when pressing 
Mobile Speak Edit + left soft key.
    * Mobile Speak Edit + * shortcut will now spell the last item 
after speaking it.


More

    * Support for Wayfinder Access V2.5.
    * Support for the Kaywa Reader. "The Kaywa Reader is a 2D Barcode 
Reader to install on your mobile phone. Once installed, you can scan 
2D Barcodes and the content of the 2D Barcode is then immediately 
resolved on the phone. 2D Barcodes (QR Code, Datamatrix) can hold 
several types of information: an URL, a mobile site's address, a SMS 
message, a phone number, any kind of text or an email address. The 
URL is certainly the most interesting type of information which can 
be encoded. After scanning the 2D Barcode, you get a connection to 
the mobile site" source: <http://reader.kaywa.com/>http://reader.kaywa.com/ .

New users are invited to download a free 30-day trial version of 
Mobile Speak and discover how Mobile Speak for Symbian Phones can 
convert an otherwise inaccessible mainstream device into an essential 
communications tool. Users of previous versions of Mobile Speak 
(V3.0, V3.12, V3.25, V3.32, V3.40, V3.60) are welcome to install the 
V3.80 update free-of-charge and enjoy the latest product 
enhancements. To obtain the download, follow the wizard at 
<http://www.codefactory.es/en/downloads.asp?id=40>http://www.codefactory.es/en/downloads.asp?id=40. 


Mobile Speak for Symbian Phones V3.80 supports only Symbian S60 3rd 
edition mobile phones:
    * Nokia 3250, Nokia 5320, Nokia 5500 Sport, Nokia 5700 Xpress 
Music, Nokia 6110 Navigator, Nokia 6120 Classic, Nokia 6121 Classic, 
Nokia 6124, Nokia 6210, Nokia 6220, Nokia 6290, Nokia 6650, Nokia 
E50, Nokia E51, Nokia E60, Nokia E61, Nokia E61i, Nokia E62, Nokia 
E63, Nokia E65, Nokia E66, Nokia E70, Nokia E71, Nokia E90 
Communicator, Nokia N71, Nokia N73, Nokia N75, Nokia N76, Nokia N77, 
Nokia N78, Nokia N79, Nokia N80, Nokia N81, Nokia N82, Nokia N85, 
Nokia N91, Nokia N92, Nokia N93, Nokia N93i, Nokia N95, Nokia N95 8GB 
and Nokia N96.
    * Samsung i450, Samsung i550, Samsung i7110, Samsung i8510 
INNOV8, Samsung G810 and Samsung L870.

Note that Mobile Magnifier is not yet supported by the Nokia N79, 
Nokia N85, nor any of the Samsung models.

To read more about Mobile Speak for Symbian Phones, visit 
<http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=24>http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=24 
.
To get the full list of compatible add-ons to Mobile Speak for 
Symbian Phones, visit 
<http://www.codefactory.es/en/extras.asp?id=27>http://www.codefactory.es/en/extras.asp?id=27 
.
To learn more about the other screen readers developed by Code 
Factory, visit 
<http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=16>http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=16 
.
To buy Code Factory's software, contact your closest distributor. A 
list is available at: 
<http://www.codefactory.es/en/purchase.asp?id=54>http://www.codefactory.es/en/purchase.asp?id=54 
.


About Code Factory

Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa/Barcelona, Spain, Code 
Factory is the global leader committed to the development of products 
designed to eliminate barriers to the accessibility of mobile 
technology for the blind and visually impaired. Today, Code Factory 
is the leading provider of screen readers, screen magnifiers, and 
Braille interfaces for the widest range of mainstream mobile devices 
including Symbian-based and Windows Mobile-powered Smartphones as 
well as Pocket PC phones and PDAs. Its product line is the only one 
to support phones working on the GSM, CDMA and WCDMA networks. Code 
Factory's success lies in giving excellent customer support and in 
responding immediately to the needs of its end users.

Among Code Factory's customers are well known organizations like 
ONCE, and carriers such as TIM, Vodafone, SFR, Bouygues Telecom and 
AT&T. The company also collaborated with leading TTS providers and 
Braille manufacturers, thus enabling Code Factory to provide 
excellent text-to-speech technology in many languages for Mobile 
Speak products, and to incorporate support for over twenty wireless 
Braille devices into the software.

For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.:


Code Factory, S.L., Rambla d'Egara 148 2-2, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona)
<mailto:info at codefactory.es>info at codefactory.es, www.codefactory.es
Code Factory, S.L. - 2009


Update your subscriptions, modify your password or e-mail address, or 
stop subscriptions at any time on your "Subscriber Preferences Page" 
at 
<http://www.codefactory.es/en/services.asp>http://www.codefactory.es/en/services.asp. 
You will need to use your e-mail address to log in. You also can send 
an email to <mailto:marketing at codefactory.es>marketing at codefactory.es 
for any request related to your subscription.
.




From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 16:16:18 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:16:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d101c9822c$eb7b0650$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I use a labtop case on wheels. In high school I used a book bag on wheels 
because I have a neck injury the waight is just to much to be putting on my 
back.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martha Harris" <latinanewschic at hotmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing li" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <Journalists at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?


> Hi Everyone,
> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go 
> out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at 
> local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't 
> wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what 
> do you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like 
> students and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would 
> I not be taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has 
> different bags?" or something like that?
> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a 
> messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on 
> the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with 
> the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our 
> professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents 
> between 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and 
> not students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like 
> we come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Martha
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com 



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 16:28:31 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:28:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4981d8f5.1ec37e0a.722a.52d7@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

I wouldn't think a backpack, as long as it doesn't have any stickers or
anything on it, would be viewed as unprofessional. I have a computer
backpack that I take places with me that I can fit my laptop as well as
other technologies or papers in that I may need. I will also carry in that
same backpack anything that I might need for my guide dog.

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 29 20:01:30 2009
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 14:01:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl><63af025c0901282054k1cc60c0epd63bddcccf1443b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090129095414.598ilaejkkk0w4wc@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <010701c9824c$622f4440$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

    I carry a backpack all the time and really don't care what anyone thinks 
about it. It allows me to have both hands free to work my guide dog and for 
other things. It's up to me to live my life and not for others to live it 
for me. I've carried everything from school supplies to groceries in my 
backpack and it works for me just fine.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?


Hi,
I know a lot of sighted professionals who use backpacks. I sort of
understand, like Jamie, but I don't see any problem with it. Good luck.
Sarah

Quoting Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>:

> I can kind of see where your professor is going, but at the same time I
> don't think he understands how inconvenient and impractical it is for a
> blind professional to carry around a messenger bag or briefcase. I don't
> know where I'd be if I was suddenly told I couldn't carry my backpack on 
> my
> back. A messenger bag throws me off balance and I tend to move diagonally 
> to
> the side the weight is on if it's heavy (which we all know it would be.). 
> It
> also makes it more difficult to use my cane, and the weight can be rather
> painful and potentially harmful. I can understand if I was driving into 
> town
> to do this work, but if I'm walking and using public transit, it just 
> isn't
> practical... And frankly, our bags are heavier (usually) than a sighted
> persons, what with the weight of any braille or large print materials we'd
> be carrying, laptops, note-takers, magnifiers, things that may be needed 
> for
> the dog (not sure about that one since I don't use a dog, but I imagine 
> it's
> a possible added weight). It just makes more sense to use both shoulders
> instead of one or just your hand.
>
> I don't think it looks unprofessional to be carrying a backpack. I mean, 
> if
> a blind person was doing business with me and they had on a barbie doll or
> spider man backpack, or it had stickers and buttons all over it 
> advertising
> their favorite bands or college sports teams, I have to say that would 
> look
> very unprofessional and may lead me to take this person less seriously. 
> But
> a simple, organized adult backpack is fine, in my opinion...
>
> However I am not the majority, and I find time and time again that my 
> views
> on blindness and other matters differ greatly from those of the majority.
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Martha Harris
> <latinanewschic at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go
>> out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at
>> local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and 
>> don't
>> wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what 
>> do
>> you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like 
>> students
>> and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would I not be
>> taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has 
>> different
>> bags?" or something like that?
>> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a
>> messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag 
>> on
>> the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with
>> the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our
>> professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents 
>> between
>> 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not
>> students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like we
>> come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martha
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40utoronto.ca
>




_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Jan 29 22:47:16 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:47:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] o/t who uses AIM 5.9?
References: <000c01c98195$1fd039e0$0201a8c0@Serene>
	<008701c981ab$98c35a60$ca4a0f20$@com>
Message-ID: <007901c98263$88f858c0$0201a8c0@Serene>

Yes, it is.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Karrie Kinstetter" <skittlesfreak69 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] o/t who uses AIM 5.9?


> I'm using aim 6, Is aim 5.9 even still usable anymore? I don't like aim 6
> that much.
> Thanks,
> Karrie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: New Jersey Association of Blind Students; National Association of 
> Blind
> Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] o/t who uses AIM 5.9?
>
> Hey guys
>
> Do any of you use AIM 5.9 anymore?  Do any of you know how to sign on
> invisibly?  Either using Jaws independently or what a sighted person 
> should
> look for to help me do it?  I'm told that, in the newer versions of AIM,
> there's a picture of an eye (because invisibly means others can't see 
> you're
> on AIM), but, when my mom tried to help me go invisible, she didn't see a
> picture of an eye in 5.9.  I'm using Jaws 7.0.
>
> Thanks,
> Serena
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/skittlesfreak69%40gm
> ail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net 



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 03:11:16 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:11:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
In-Reply-To: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <839367784.998221233285076688.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>


hello marth and all,

as this topic on using a backpack which isn't professional is crazy! i use to use a backpack for my laptop but, my back couldn't take it all so i use a roller bag which is much practical for my needs.

your needs to be to look professional but, you need to use what will make you feel comfortable and create a good image for the audience and your public that you are addressing.

so, that's my thoughts on this i had to do the pr soapbox thing. anyway, take care and i will talk to you soon!


hugs,
from amy
----- Original Message -----

From: Martha Harris 

To: National Association of Blind Students mailing li 

Cc: Journalists at nfbnet.org

Sent: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 04:39:06 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?



Hi Everyone,

I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what do you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like students and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would I not be taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has different bags?" or something like that?

Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents between 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and not students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like we come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?



Thanks,

Martha

_______________________________________________

nabs-l mailing list

nabs-l at nfbnet.org

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org

To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net

From iamantonio at cox.net  Fri Jan 30 03:19:14 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:19:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?
References: <BAY136-DS3E90ED379BED435068A18DEC90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002701c98289$875bca80$020fa8c0@userf9b4fa60eb>

Hello Martha,

I think your journalism teacher is making a reasonable enough request of all 
students. One can get roling brief cases, if the *equipment* is too heavy. 
You should not need much moren than a note-taker, or laptop, and a handheld 
recorder.

There are big enough briefcases you can carry that will give you enough 
space. It sounds like this is not a work assignment, at which case you 
should push back about what is confortable for you.

If the job requires students to quote unquote, look professional, and in the 
mind of this professor professional means no back pack, then you for out the 
money if you can.

I could see finances as a reason not to comply, but you probably can either 
find a big enough briescase for your needs, or down size on what you carry 
to your assignments.

Antonio

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martha Harris" <latinanewschic at hotmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing li" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <Journalists at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:39 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] backpacks are unprofessional?


> Hi Everyone,
> I'm a journalism major; as part of our magazine production, we have to go 
> out in to the community to sell ads, talk to Lions Clubs, have tables at 
> local events, ETC. We have two conditions: dress professionally, and don't 
> wear a backpack. I totally understand the dress professionally, but what 
> do you all think about backpacks? Do they make us look too much like 
> students and not professionals, and if so, why? As a blind student, would 
> I not be taken seriously because "she doesn't know that everyone else has 
> different bags?" or something like that?
> Personally, I prefer the backpack. It is painful to have the strap of a 
> messenger bag, satchel, or large purse on my left shoulder with the bag on 
> the right side of my body, and having the strap on my right shoulder with 
> the bag hanging on the left gets in the way of my hand with the dog. Our 
> professor says that since our target audience is permanent residents 
> between 35 and 55 years old who live in the two surrounding counties and 
> not students like the traditional college magazine, we shouldn't look like 
> we come from the university when we go into the town. Thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Martha
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net 



From silvara at cox.net  Fri Jan 30 03:23:13 2009
From: silvara at cox.net (Silvara)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:23:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Classic for sale
Message-ID: <auto-000085999924@mailfront2.g2host.com>


KNFB Reader classic for sale!

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

This is the original reader.  It comes with original carrying case, 
in the original box with extra camera battery and Braille manuals. 
Software version 3.8.0.



It has had very little use.



$600 or best reasonable offer.



For more information please contact Grace Pires at 
<mailto:silvara at cox.net>silvara at cox.net or (401)241-8719.
***
Grace




From noreply at serotek.com  Fri Jan 30 03:41:40 2009
From: noreply at serotek.com (Serotek Announcements)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:41:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Serotek Announces an End to Software Maintenance Agreements
Message-ID: <auto-000083825986@mailfront1.g2host.com>


NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release

Media Contact:
pr at serotek.com
612.720.1068

Technical Contact :
     info at serotek.com



Serotek Announces an End to Software Maintenance Agreements
Industry Standard SMAs No Longer Standard

MINNEAPOLIS, Minn – January 28, 2009 – Serotek 
Corporation, the leading provider of internet and 
digital information accessibility software and 
services, today announced that it will no longer 
require a fee to upgrade or maintain any software in its product line.
Software companies traditional have charged fees 
under a contract, commonly known as a Software 
Maintenance Agreement (SMA), to upgrade to newer 
versions of their software packages. Serotek will 
continue to provide regular upgrades and software 
improvements but will offer them free of charge to all Serotek customers.
The announcement was formally made today at the 
Assistive Technology Industry Association (ATIA) 
annual conference in Orlando, Florida, with the 
company’s “RIP SMA” campaign. The first such 
offering of its kind, the news was met with great user enthusiasm.
“True to our belief that accessibility is right, 
not a privilege, we are excited to lead the 
industry in pronouncing SMAs are dead.” said Mike 
Calvo, CEO, Serotek Corporation, “Users of our 
System Access product line can now enjoy one 
price, one time, forever. And we encourage the industry to follow suit.”
Reactions to this news can be found on the 
company’s podcast, Serotalk, which is being 
broadcast live from the conference’s Internet 
Café, which is being sponsored by the Serotek 
Corporation. Those unable to attend the 
conference can listen to the Serotalk podcast by going to www.serotalk.com.

Serotek Corporation
Serotek Corporation is a leading technology 
company that develops software and manufactures 
accessibility solutions under the System Access 
brand. Committed to the mission of providing 
accessibility anywhere, Serotek began with the 
launch of the first online community specifically 
designed to meet the needs of people with visual 
impairment. Since then, Serotek has introduced 
several powerful, affordable solutions that 
require minimal training and investment. For more 
information, visit www.serotek.com.

###



From elalonde at shaw.ca  Fri Jan 30 03:48:53 2009
From: elalonde at shaw.ca (elizabeth lalonde)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:48:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] CANADIAN FEDERATION OF THE BLIND CONVENTION Louis Braille
 Birthday Bash
Message-ID: <auto-000083826354@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Louis Braille:  From Literacy to Liberty 2009
CANADIAN FEDERATION OF THE BLIND CONVENTION
Louis Braille Birthday Bash

Join the party!  Celebrate the 200th birthday of Louis Braille with us.

The fourth annual Canadian Federation of the 
Blind convention will be held in Victoria, 
British Columbia, Canada at the Traveller's Inn, 
City Centre, 1961 Douglas Street (Corner of 
Douglas and Discovery Streets) starting Thursday 
evening, April 30, to Sunday morning, May 3, 2009.

Everyone welcome.  Please register by April 20.
(Read below for details about hotel and registration information).

CONVENTION ACTIVITIES:

Thursday evening, April 30, 2009
- Casual dinner, followed by a recreational activity.

Friday, May 1, 2009
-Hands-on Braille Workshop, 9 - 11:30 AM
-White Cane Walk, 1 - 2 PM
-Adaptive Technology Exhibit, 2 - 5 PM
-Welcome Reception, 6:30 - 8 PM
-CFB’s  “Rowdy and Raucous” Auction, 8 PM
(Registration begins at 6 PM)

Saturday, May 2, 2009
(Registration begins at 7:45 AM)
- Full-day Conference, 9 AM – 4:30 PM.
Speakers at the conference will discuss topics 
such as Braille literacy, independence, 
rehabilitation, employment, expectations, 
empowerment, advocacy, the Federation and a 
positive perspective on blindness and the 
abilities of blind people, and other blindness issues.
- Banquet with Keynote Address, 6:30 – 9:30 PM.

Sunday, May 3, 2009
- Canadian Federation of the Blind breakfast board meeting (AGM) 9 AM – 11 AM

CONVENTION REGISTRATION INFORMATION:
Registration fee is $55 if you pre-register, or $60 at the door.
(Note: the registration fee includes Friday 
evening's reception, and Saturday's lunch and banquet.)

You can pre-register for the CFB convention by 
mailing your registration fee to the Canadian 
Federation of the Blind, with a note stating the 
contact information of each 
attendee.   Alternatively, email contact 
information to <mailto:info at cfb.ca>info at cfb.ca 
and then over our website pay your fee via Paypal 
to <mailto:registration at cfb.ca>registration at cfb.ca.


HOTEL INFORMATION
Traveller's Inn, City Centre
1961 Douglas Street (corner of Douglas and Discovery). Victoria, BC
Phone: (250) 382-2111 or 1-888-877-9444

The following room rates are available to 
convention attendees if you reserve.  The rooms 
are not pre-booked, so it is advisable to reserve early to assure space.
Standard Single Rooms                   $64.95
Standard Double Rooms                 $74.95
(rates are non-commissionable and subject to 17.75% taxes and surcharges)

Federation conventions are unlike typical 
conferences.  They serve as a way for blind 
people from across distances to get together to 
learn from each other, to share ideas and to gain 
confidence and inspiration from being together.

We look forward to seeing you at the convention!

For more information about the convention or the CFB, please contact us.
TO REACH US:
Canadian Federation of the Blind (CFB)
<http://www.cfb.ca>www.cfb.ca
<mailto:info at cfb.ca>info at cfb.ca
(250) 598-7154
1-800-619-8789
P.O. Box 8007
Victoria, British Columbia
Canada  V8W 3R7

Promoting the equality and empowerment of blind Canadians.



From CDanielsen at nfb.org  Fri Jan 30 03:58:11 2009
From: CDanielsen at nfb.org (Danielsen, Chris)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:58:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
Message-ID: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Dear Fellow Federationists:


I am writing with exciting news! You can now 
follow the latest news and information from the 
National Federation of the Blind, the Voice of 
the Nation’s Blind, on Twitter.  To follow our 
Twitter updates, go to 
<http://www.twitter.com/NFB_voice>www.twitter.com/NFB_voice. 
You'll need to join Twitter if you don't have an account.



Twitter is a social networking site that allows 
you to keep track of your friends, family, and 
interests online.  In addition to signing up for 
Web updates for the National Federation of the 
Blind, you can also opt to receive our Twitter 
updates via text message on your mobile 
phone.  And while you’re at it, follow the 2009 
Braille Readers are Leaders campaign as well, by 
going to 
<http://www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy>www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy



We hope lots of you will follow our new Twitter 
feed­and don't hesitate to send us a direct 
message if you have questions or comments about what you read.



Sincerely:



Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND



From Maurice.Sloane at humanware.com  Fri Jan 30 04:03:29 2009
From: Maurice.Sloane at humanware.com (Maurice Sloane)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:03:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] KeySoft 8.0 to be Released
Message-ID: <auto-000083826754@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Unveiling KeySoft 8.0



Longueuil, January 29, 2009 - HumanWare is pleased to announce 
KeySoft version 8.0, the latest upgrade to the KeySoft software 
suite. Version 8.0 will be available for mPower and PK platforms in 
March. KeySoft 8.0 requires one count of a Software Maintenance 
Agreement (SMA).




What's new in KeySoft 8.0?



Experience new ways to communicate in real time and enrich your book 
reading experience with this new KeySoft version. Are you interested 
in learning more about GPS navigation? You now have the opportunity 
to try for a period of 90 days the acclaimed Sendero GPS. Version 8.0 
is packed with a wide range of features to enhance the way you work and learn.




1.1           KeyChat

Communicate in real time with colleagues, friends and family using 
state of the art instant messaging (IM) services. Designed using the 
newest open instant messaging standards, KeyChat can communicate 
through Google Talk, iChat and other chatting services. Google Talk 
is an innovative and free IM service. It offers an efficient, 
clutter-free, and easy way to chat. Google Talk smoothly integrates 
with the popular Gmail system, allowing you to chat in real time with 
your email contacts as well. Read and write messages in your 
preferred grade of Braille, manage conversations and follow chat 
history with familiar KeySoft commands. Receive an Audio or Braille 
notice when a message arrives. Add new friends or select from your 
KeyList contacts, or simply go online and enjoy!




1.2           Reading Audible.com books

KeySoft 8.0 will support Audible.com books. Audible.com offers a wide 
audio book collection for general and specialized audiences, 
including the latest best sellers. Teachers and parents can also join 
their new Audible Kids service to access fun and educational content 
for school age kids or get tips and ideas on how to help children get 
the most out of their listening experience. Fully integrated into 
KeyBook, you can listen to Audible books and customize various 
settings such as narration speed and audio tone. Set bookmarks, 
create text notes, and jump to any place in the book. To obtain 
Audible books, you will need to become a member of the Audible 
service and use the Audible manager to authorize your BrailleNote to 
play the protected Audible books. HumanWare customers can enjoy the 
complete Audible collection for a free 14 day period




1.3           Direct access to the new Bookshare site

The existing support for unpacking electronic books from 
Bookshare.org is enhanced to include the new .zip or bks2 formats 
adopted by Bookshare. KeySoft provides everything necessary to 
wirelessly access the Bookshare.org web site, download the text, 
Braille or DAISY electronic book and unpack and read the book, 
without having to use a PC.




1.4           Support for NIMAS books

KeySoft will now play NIMAS books. NIMAS books are text files with a 
structure that is similar to that of DAISY books. KeyBook's rich 
navigation used with DAISY files is also available for NIMAS files. 
NIMAS books are instantly translated into your preferred Braille 
grade. Choose to read in Braille or let Eloquence speech read to you. 
Move through DAISY elements or use the familiar KeySoft sentence and 
paragraph navigation commands. NIMAS (National Instructional 
Materials Accessibility Standard) is the format for educational 
textbooks in the United States. NIMAS guides the production and 
electronic distribution of digital versions of textbooks and other 
instructional materials so they can be more easily converted into 
accessible formats. For more information, please visit: 
<http://nimas.cast.org/>http://nimas.cast.org/.




1.5           Get a taste of GPS

KeySoft version 8.0 represents a great opportunity to get familiar 
with GPS. It includes the latest version of Sendero GPS and users can 
take advantage of a 90-day free trial period to browse their 
preferred map or navigate outdoors. After this trial period, users 
can continue to enjoy their system at a preferred price. Users are 
required to download the desired maps from the Sendero site. For real 
time navigation, you will need a GPS receiver.




1.6           More printers available to students

Students and teachers can now select from a wide range of Hewlett 
Packard printers. Most new models from the Deskjet, Officejet, Laser 
jet and Photosmart product lines are supported. Printers supported 
via the KeySoft generic printing engine must have a USB port. This 
functionality is only available to mPower users.

The new printing engine can create images of documents in JPEG 
format. As JPEG files are compatible formats, users can transfer 
documents to the PC or to non-BrailleNote users without losing the 
rich formatting available in Keyword.




1.7           Eloquence speech is now supported in the PK

Use the highly responsive and accurate KeyNote Gold speech that has 
been one of KeySoft's strongest features or switch to the familiar 
Eloquence speech that is now widely available on access technology products.


1.8           French Version

KeySoft 8.0 will be released simultaneously in English and French. 
The same functions are available on both versions.


Recent mPower & PK Purchases

Customers that have purchased a new mPower or PK units after January 
1st 2009 are eligible to receive a free KeySoft 8 upgrade.


Compatibility

KeySoft 8.0 is not supported by the Classic models of the BrailleNote 
and VoiceNote. As previously stated, KeySoft 7.5 was the last release 
for these Classic devices.


Contact

Please contact your regional HumanWare office in the USA, Canada, the 
UK, New Zealand and Australia for regional pricing and orders.



USA: 1 800 722-3393 or 925 680-7100

UK/Europe: +44 1933 415 800

Canada: 1 888 723-7273 or +1 450 463 1717

Australia/Asia: +61 2 9686 2600

New Zealand:  +64 3 384 4555





Posted by:



Maurice Sloane

HumanWare NZ



From KBowman at nfb.org  Fri Jan 30 04:26:22 2009
From: KBowman at nfb.org (Bowman,
	Kristi)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:26:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] One Million for Literacy
Message-ID: <auto-000086004268@mailfront2.g2host.com>

                                 2008-09 Imagination Fund Campaign

One Million for Literacy


       This year's NFB Imagination Fund campaign will continue to 
build on our past success and will expand our effort to the largest 
campaign yet.  During this campaign cycle our focus is on continuing 
to give our Imaginators a variety of tools to solicit contributions 
and promote the ongoing work of the Federation.  Additionally, we 
want to leverage our Imagination Fund work as an opportunity to 
promote the NFB's leadership in Braille literacy.  The NFB has 
launched the largest campaign for Braille literacy ever undertaken, 
and the NFB Imagination Fund is an important way for you to encourage 
friends, family, business associates, and members of the public to 
contribute to new opportunities by giving to the Imagination Fund.



       Some members have asked about the distinction between our work 
in the Imagination Fund and our work in 2009 around the Braille 
literacy campaign.  Think of it in this way:

- Imagination Fund: Widening our circle of support by encouraging 
those outside the Federation to support the important work we are 
doing by giving financial contributions.

- Braille literacy campaign: Creating widespread public awareness 
about Braille, encouraging people to purchase the U.S. Louis Braille 
Commemorative Silver Dollar, and building awareness of the leadership 
of the Federation.



       In other words, in terms of fundraising we want NFB members to 
focus on securing support for the Imagination Fund.  And, of course, 
the dollars contributed to the NFB Imagination Fund will support our 
Braille literacy effort by building:

- the initiatives of the NFB Jernigan Institute, including innovative 
research, education, and technology development related to Braille literacy;
- Braille outreach programs developed by NFB affiliates to address 
specific Braille literacy concerns in local communities;
- leadership and support in local chapters to provide mentoring to 
newly blind individuals and families with blind children; and
- previously unimagined programs to change what it means to be blind.



       Yes, you are right, the NFB does need to provide matching 
funds in order to secure funds generated from the sale of the Louis 
Braille coin.  However, we are making specific outreach efforts to 
corporations, foundations, and other large donors to secure those 
funds.  This is largely being managed by the national office and the 
Braille literacy team headed by Fred Schroeder.  If you know of 
funding sources that you can secure to support the Braille literacy 
initiative, you should contact Dr. Schroeder so he can work with you 
to follow up.  Otherwise, NFB members should focus their individual 
fundraising efforts on the Imagination Fund culminating in our Motor 
City March for Independence in Detroit.


       The pending release of the U.S. Louis Braille commemorative 
coin, and our public outreach around Braille literacy provides a 
perfect vehicle to talk to members of the public about Braille 
literacy and encourage them to support us.  Thus, NFB members should 
continue to see the NFB Imagination Fund as our primary way to bring 
new dollars of support to our movement.  This year we will raise one 
million dollars and at the same time we will forever change Braille 
literacy in this country.




From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 30 05:12:06 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:12:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description
Message-ID: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>

What do people think of the issue of video description?

Nicole

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 30 07:17:13 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:17:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone else see the press release for KeySoft 8?
Message-ID: <131639.5169.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I'm waiting for an MP3 file to see it in action, too. However I can say this: KeySoft having the ability to handle NIMAS books for instructional needs, as well as that new KeyChat feature, makes me seriously consider the possibility of a VoiceNote in the future. This type of thing is exactly what I wanted to have in the BrailleNote that was putting me off from buying it - particularly the lack of KeyChat. 



      

From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 15:11:35 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:11:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description
In-Reply-To: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>
References: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W233A4EA99A5736DCF1AB00DFC60@phx.gbl>


Is there a specific thought you had regarding this topic?> From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:12:06 -0800> Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description> > What do people think of the issue of video description?> > Nicole> _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blinddrummer1989%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. 
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009

From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 15:32:07 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:32:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Interview a Person For a Class
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0901300732m528392ake34d06f86dc12206@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all! I am working on my master's in rehab counseling.  I am taking
a class in vocational eveluation. I would like to interview a person
from this list, for one of my research projects. I will need to do an
interview, and administer aproximately five vocational eveluation
tests . My professor will be looking over my report, but otherwise
everything will be kept  confidential. I would prefer to do this
interview and other procedures after it, via skype. If you are
interested please email me privately.
Thank you!
Merisa  Musemic


From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 17:02:37 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:02:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Interview a Person For a Class
In-Reply-To: <df5bac6d0901300732m528392ake34d06f86dc12206@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df5bac6d0901300732m528392ake34d06f86dc12206@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W44419E9569446D90C5C0EEDFC60@phx.gbl>


Hi
 
My name is Juan Munoz from Texas. What would be some of the main items discussed? I wouldn't mind participating.> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:32:07 -0500> From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Interview a Person For a Class> > Hi all! I am working on my master's in rehab counseling. I am taking> a class in vocational eveluation. I would like to interview a person> from this list, for one of my research projects. I will need to do an> interview, and administer aproximately five vocational eveluation> tests . My professor will be looking over my report, but otherwise> everything will be kept confidential. I would prefer to do this> interview and other procedures after it, via skype. If you are> interested please email me privately.> Thank you!> Merisa Musemic> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blinddrummer1989%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. 
http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 

From snowball07 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 17:41:38 2009
From: snowball07 at gmail.com (Janice Jeang)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:41:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Mixer and Open Mike Night at Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <FAE8C7D0CAF4497B9A736DBE0537A7CE@yourdc685efcd2>

Hello Fellow nabsters,

Washington Seminar is drawing near. I hope to get a chance to meet you all at this wonderful event. Washington Seminar is  where the blind get to go to our Nation's Capital, and represent the issues that are important to us. Lobbying on behalf of our membership, is one of my personal favorite ways to contribute to the organized blind movement. I sincerely believe that everybody should have a chance to have this experience. SO let this be a fair warning to all. If I don't see you this year, I hope to see you in the near future!
The National Association of Blind Students will be hosting a mixer on Monday night. For those of you attending we would love to have you come, for those who are not... better luck next year, we will miss you! This wonderful event will be in addition to our scintillating business meeting held on Sunday morning. We are quite excited to provide some time for students and the young at heart, to mix, mingle and just get to know one another in a relaxed environment. 
For those of you who are interested in an alternative to the 21st, there will be refreshments provided by a cash bar. For those of you who are not interested, there will be an open mike running all night, as well as music for request, dancing, perhaps a couple of competitions... limbo anybody? All are welcome to participate. If you buy tickets ahead of time they will be at a discounted rate of $3, and tickets will be $5 at the door. 
Yours truly, and the other members of the NABS board will bite the bullet, and we will be the first ones to perform at the open mike event. As a sneak peek, songs such as those by sir mix a Lot, Madonna, and Christina Aguilera can be expected, just to name a few. If you have any songs you would like to perform, please email me the artist's name and the song name, so we can be sure to have the track ready for you. we will be creating a karaoke database with the requests. If you do not request a song via email, then I have to say that we will have a wide collection of songs available, however we do not guarantee that we will have the karaoke track. Sing-a-longs are fine, but aren't karaoke's that much better? My email address can be located at the bottom of this email. Again, please provide artist name and song title so we can try to locate the appropriate track. if you already have the karaoke track to your song, that is amazing! Please email that to me at the below address.  I am looking forward to everybody's responses! See you guys in Washington and at the NABS meeting on Sunday and mixer on Monday. Please support your fellow students.

Kindest Regards,

Janice Jeang

Email- janice.jeang at gmail.com  

From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 30 18:11:58 2009
From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:11:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Interview a Person For a Class
In-Reply-To: <df5bac6d0901300732m528392ake34d06f86dc12206@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df5bac6d0901300732m528392ake34d06f86dc12206@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL115-W2381616C8BED7299DECE3E8BC60@phx.gbl>


Merisa, what if you don't have skype. Can we do the interview another way over the phone or through email or msn messenger?Albert> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:32:07 -0500> From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Interview a Person For a Class> > Hi all! I am working on my master's in rehab counseling. I am taking> a class in vocational eveluation. I would like to interview a person> from this list, for one of my research projects. I will need to do an> interview, and administer aproximately five vocational eveluation> tests . My professor will be looking over my report, but otherwise> everything will be kept confidential. I would prefer to do this> interview and other procedures after it, via skype. If you are> interested please email me privately.> Thank you!> Merisa Musemic> > _______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. 
http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_012009

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Jan 30 18:44:37 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:44:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description
References: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>
	<BAY136-W233A4EA99A5736DCF1AB00DFC60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EB05ED29A0004641B84B6461ECBCA564@D3ZCJ891>

Is the exclusion of it on DVD's okay?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Juan Carlos Munoz" <blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Video Description



Is there a specific thought you had regarding this topic?> From: 
ntorcolini at wavecable.com> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 
21:12:06 -0800> Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description> > What do people think 
of the issue of video description?> > Nicole> 
_______________________________________________> nabs-l mailing list> 
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org> 
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:> 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blinddrummer1989%40hotmail.com
_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail.
http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_explore_012009
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 19:44:27 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:44:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description
In-Reply-To: <EB05ED29A0004641B84B6461ECBCA564@D3ZCJ891>
References: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>
	<BAY136-W233A4EA99A5736DCF1AB00DFC60@phx.gbl>
	<EB05ED29A0004641B84B6461ECBCA564@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <20090130194427.GA9892@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Not really.  Especially if the descriptive track exists.  I'm not 
going to say they HAVE to produce the descriptive audio, but it's 
just silly to have the track and not put it on the DVD.

A higher priority for me is a way to bypass menus and whatnot.  A 
direct "Play the movie" button in the DVD player, for those who 
cannot navigate the DVD menus.  I consider that a priority since many 
movies are quite watchable without audio description, but no DVD is 
watchable if you have to sort through a menu system you can't see.

Joseph

On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:44:37AM -0800, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
> Is the exclusion of it on DVD's okay?
>
>> Is there a specific thought you had regarding this topic?
>>
>>>  What do people think of the issue of video description?


From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan 30 19:59:30 2009
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 13:59:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
References: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

    I'm sorry folks but if this organization opposes the use of CAPTCHA as a 
means of site security it has no business putting its presences on these 
sites that require blind people to use them; particularly if the audio 
quality is horrible and the person is both blind  and deaf. I'm all for 
establishing presences on social networks but not on those that require the 
use of a CAPTCHA as a part of registration process. As far as I'm concerned 
we're shooting ourselves in the foot if this continues!!

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Danielsen, Chris (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)" 
<CDanielsen at nfb.org>
To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:58 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter



Dear Fellow Federationists:


I am writing with exciting news! You can now
follow the latest news and information from the
National Federation of the Blind, the Voice of
the Nation's Blind, on Twitter.  To follow our
Twitter updates, go to
<http://www.twitter.com/NFB_voice>www.twitter.com/NFB_voice.
You'll need to join Twitter if you don't have an account.



Twitter is a social networking site that allows
you to keep track of your friends, family, and
interests online.  In addition to signing up for
Web updates for the National Federation of the
Blind, you can also opt to receive our Twitter
updates via text message on your mobile
phone.  And while you're at it, follow the 2009
Braille Readers are Leaders campaign as well, by
going to
<http://www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy>www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy



We hope lots of you will follow our new Twitter
feed­and don't hesitate to send us a direct
message if you have questions or comments about what you read.



Sincerely:



Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net 



From liamskitten at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 23:19:54 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:19:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20901301519q4851cfdclb216143a15e97c97@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

If we only had presences on social networks which did not utalize
CAPTCHAS, our ability to reach out to individuals would be
significantly impaired.  I think this is a case where the ends justify
the means.  We have made it perfectly clear as an organization that we
oppose CAPTCHAS, and are actively taking steps to see them removed.
However, boycotting sites which use them is self-defeating, since one
of our primary goals is outreach and these sites provide an excellent
opportunity for that.
Courtney

On 1/30/09, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
>     I'm sorry folks but if this organization opposes the use of CAPTCHA as a
> means of site security it has no business putting its presences on these
> sites that require blind people to use them; particularly if the audio
> quality is horrible and the person is both blind  and deaf. I'm all for
> establishing presences on social networks but not on those that require the
> use of a CAPTCHA as a part of registration process. As far as I'm concerned
> we're shooting ourselves in the foot if this continues!!
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danielsen, Chris (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)"
> <CDanielsen at nfb.org>
> To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:58 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>
>
> Dear Fellow Federationists:
>
>
> I am writing with exciting news! You can now
> follow the latest news and information from the
> National Federation of the Blind, the Voice of
> the Nation's Blind, on Twitter.  To follow our
> Twitter updates, go to
> <http://www.twitter.com/NFB_voice>www.twitter.com/NFB_voice.
> You'll need to join Twitter if you don't have an account.
>
>
>
> Twitter is a social networking site that allows
> you to keep track of your friends, family, and
> interests online.  In addition to signing up for
> Web updates for the National Federation of the
> Blind, you can also opt to receive our Twitter
> updates via text message on your mobile
> phone.  And while you're at it, follow the 2009
> Braille Readers are Leaders campaign as well, by
> going to
> <http://www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy>www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy
>
>
>
> We hope lots of you will follow our new Twitter
> feed­and don't hesitate to send us a direct
> message if you have questions or comments about what you read.
>
>
>
> Sincerely:
>
>
>
> Chris Danielsen
>
> Director of Public Relations
>
> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com
>


From spaulding.scott at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 03:02:19 2009
From: spaulding.scott at gmail.com (Scott Spaulding)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:02:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description
In-Reply-To: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>
References: <5A8A3C9BC02543028B1CF002926AC852@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <4983bf3e.1d3e400a.2b47.ffffed3c@mx.google.com>

I think that it is nice to have, but since you never know where it will be
on a DVD, I don't care either way if it is there or not.

Please sponsor me in the 3rd annual NFB March for Independence that will
take place in Detroit MI on July 6th 2009. You can learn about the march and
sponsor me at http://www.marchforindependence.org/goto/ScottSpaulding Please
pass this URL on to anyone who you think might be interested in sponsoring
me or helping in any way.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nicole B. Torcolini
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Video Description

What do people think of the issue of video description?

Nicole
_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/spaulding.scott%40gm
ail.com
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.15/1923 - Release Date: 1/29/2009
7:13 AM



From cdbroome at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jan 31 03:41:48 2009
From: cdbroome at worldnet.att.net (Carmella D Broome)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:41:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Counselor Releases Memoir About College Experiences
Message-ID: <auto-000086171827@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following:

David Andrews

Blind Counselor Releases Memoir About College Experiences

Professional counselor and author Carmella Broome, who has been 
legally blind since birth,  is beginning  the new year by launching 
her first book. "Carmella's Quest: Taking on College Sight Unseen" is 
a memoir about her first year at a small  Christian college in 
upstate South Carolina. Carmella's book is published by Red Letter 
Press of Columbia SC.  For more information, to find out 
about  accessible formats,  or to order the book, please visit
http://carmellasquest.livejournal.com/
or email carmellasquest at hotmail.com or RedLetterPress at gmail.com.

Carmella Broome, Ed.S., LPC, LMFT/I
Crossroads Counseling Center
<http://www.solutionsforlife.org>www.solutionsforlife.org



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 03:42:28 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 22:42:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Mixer and Open Mike Night at Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <FAE8C7D0CAF4497B9A736DBE0537A7CE@yourdc685efcd2>
References: <FAE8C7D0CAF4497B9A736DBE0537A7CE@yourdc685efcd2>
Message-ID: <4983c88c.0807c00a.5b28.527e@mx.google.com>

One question: what time will the mixer be held? To my knowledge, that one
all-important detail was left out of the email. 

Thanks, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From agrima at nbp.org  Sat Jan 31 03:48:26 2009
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:48:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NBP-Announce: KIDS: Are You Ready for Valentine's Day?
Message-ID: <auto-000083965321@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Are You Ready for Valentine's Day?

We've been getting calls from customers begging us to reveal the
punchline to this year's Valentine joke:

If you don't want to know what it is, don't read any further:

SPOILER ALERT!

Knock, Knock!
Who's there?
Frank
Frank Who?
Frank you for being my Valentine!


The entire joke appears in print and braille--all except the last line,
which is braille only. For sighted classmates or friends, a print chart
helps them uncode it. For braille-reading family and friends, the
punchline works by itself! This is a great way to promote braille.


Isn't this the best time to cheer people up by remembering them this
Valentine's Day? 20 Valentines for only $10; 32 for $14 (includes
envelopes), plus postage.


Order at
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/VAL09-32.html


**Note that because Valentine's Day is right around the corner, we
can no longer ship them FREE MATTER. Please call us (1-800-548-7323) to
have your order sent by First Class mail (only $3.04), or select UPS as
the
shipping method to receive your order in time for Valentine's Day!


_______________________________________________
Nbp mailing list
Nbp at nbp.org

PLEASE DO NOT respond to this message! It is an automated message and 
your query will not reach us. Send questions to orders at nbp.org .

Visit us at http://www.nbp.org



From empower at smart.net  Sat Jan 31 03:56:29 2009
From: empower at smart.net (Jamal Mazrui)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:56:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing TestPage, Simple Web Test Program
Message-ID: <auto-000086172601@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Now available at
http://EmpowermentZone.com/tpgsetup.exe

I have developed a Windows program for testing the usability of a web page
and generating a report as a text file.  It is meant to be especially easy
to use.  The primary documentation is pasted below.

Jamal

TestPage
Version 1.0
January 30, 2009
Copyright 2009 by Jamal Mazrui
GPL license

Contents

Description
Bringing Accessibility into the Development Process
RAACT Tests
Error Explanations for The W3C Markup Validation Service
----------

Description

TestPage is a command-line utility and dialog interface for doing a
simple, automated test of a web page for problems related to accessibility
for users with disabilities or to validity of the HTML according to
standards of the World Wide Web Consortium, located at
http://w3.orc.org

The command-line syntax is

TestPage.exe URLPath FilePath

The first parameter specifies the URL to test and the second parameter
specifies the file name of the resulting report.

The TestPage installer creates a shortcut for launching an input box that
prompts for the URL to test, which is then passed onto the command-line
utility.  The default hotkey for invoking the input box is
Alt+Control+Shift+T.  This may be changed by modifying properties of the
TestPage shortcut on the Windows desktop.

The installer also creates a TestPage program group in the Windows Start
Menu, with options for launching the program, unstalling it, browsing
generated reports, or reading this documentation.  The default program
folder is
C:\Program Files\TestPage

The TestPage dialog is built with the VBScript language.  As a
convenience, if Internet Explorer is open, the URL of its web page is used
as the default value in the input box.  Also, the domain name of the URL
is used for the file name of the report.

The command-line utility, which does the main work, is built with the Ruby
language and several related packages.  Subsequent sections of this
documentation provide more detail using excerpts from material on the web.

Please note that this program is only intended as a convenient, mechanized
test of web accessibility.  Hopefully, its ease of use will enable more
people to do accessibility checks and send them to web developers, as
appropriate.  In addition, since TestPage is open source, programmers are
encouraged to contribute improvements.  A list of more sophisticated and
effective evaluation tools is available at
http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools/
----------



Bringing Accessibility into the Development Process
 From the web page
http://www.standards-schmandards.com/2007/rapid-accessibility-feedback/

By Peter Krantz
Web accessibility is, in my experience, often considered late in the
development process. Typically, accessibility evaluation is conducted by
outside experts after the application is delivered and content is
produced. This leads to issues being reported to dev


elopers late in the project, at a time when changes cost more.

In order to make accessibility development efforts more efficient I
believe that accessibility has to be integrated into all stages of a
project with as much automation as possible. Here are some ideas on how
this can be done for the developer role.

Project roles and process
Consider the typical staffing of a web development project and how the
respective roles relate to accessibility: Designers create the user
interface design. The design needs to be checked for visual aspects such
as contrast issues, choice of color, font readability etc. The designer
deliverables are often due early in the project. Developers create the
markup and application logic for the application. The markup has needs to
be checked for technical accessibility issues such as correct markup of
tables, forms, document structure etc. The developer deliverables appear
throughout the project. Content producers (copywriters) create text. The
text has to be checked for readability issues and other language aspects.
Content is often delivered towards the end of the project. Accessibility
experts typically appear at the end of the project to test the
application. This is natural as it isn't until the end that the majority of
design, markup and content is available for testing.

Implications
The problem with this approach is that the time between feedback from the
accessibility evaluation and the work done is too long. Proponents of
agile development methods identified this a long time ago and it is
typically illustrated with the cost of change curve.  In essence, rapid
feedback is easier to act upon and incurs a lower cost of change. Getting
the feedback later means that you as a developer may have implemented more
functionality in an inaccessible way. There may also be more dependencies
developed that affect the parts that you need to change based on the late
feedback. So, if possible we would like to have a tool that provides rapid
feedback throughout the development process to all project roles. By rapid
I am referring to near instantaneous feedback to minimize context
switching for the developer.

Challenges with automated accessibility evaluation tools
The challenge with accessibility testing is that many things are difficult
to automate. Content, for example, is hard to do an automated assessment
of. You may calculate all the readability scores you want but only real
user testing will give you enough information to conclude if your content
is understandable. Contrast and color is also difficult. Developers may
have used combinations of javascript, css and markup to create the final
look. To have a machine understand the actual contrast ratio for a
specific text may be nearly impossible if you don roll your own browser
implementation. Other challenges include integrating a tool into your
projects continuous integration framework. This rules out many of the web
based tools available.

A proposed solution
If you Haven heard of Raakt (The Ruby Accessibility Analysis Kit) before,
there is a quick introduction on the Raakt wiki. Raakt focuses on the
developer role in a project and helps developers make sure that the
created markup passes a set of basic accessibility tests. It integrates
with many test frameworks to become part of the automated test cycle. The
ambition is to make basic technical accessibility testing a natural part
of a development projects test suite. This will hopefully improve markup
quality and minimize the number of accessibility issues found in
subsequent tests. It also helps developers with little or no accessibility
knowledge to get on track faster.
----------

RAACT Tests
 From the web page
http://www.peterkrantz.com/raakt/wiki/tests

The following tests are available in Raakt. These generate error message
objects. Each error message has an id and a description text. See Error
message ids for more information.

Check_areas: Check area elements and make sure they have a non-empty alt
attribute.

Check_character_set: Verify that the character set specified in HTTP
headers match that specified in the HTML meta element. This test will be
skipped if you don pass a hash of http headers when setting up the test.

Check_document_structure: Verify that heading elements (h1-h6) appear in
the correct order (no levels skipped).

Check_embed: Verify that the embed element isn't used. It does not provide
a way to express a text representation.

Check_fieldset_legend: Check all fieldsets and make sure each fieldset has
a legend element with text content.

Check_for_formatting_elements: Check that none of the following elements
are used: font, b, i, u, tt, small, big, strike, s. styling should be done
in CSS.

Check_for_language_info: Make sure the root HTML element has a non-empty
lang attribute. See also Check_valid_language_code below.

Check_for_nested_tables: Make sure the document doesn't contain nested
tables.

Check_form: Check that all editable form elements have an associated label
element connected via the for attribute.

Check_frames: Check that all frames have a title attribute.

Check_has_heading: Check that the document has at least one h1 heading.

Check_images: Check that all img elements have an alt attribute.

Check_input_type_img: Check that image buttons have a non-empty alt
attribute.

Check_link_text: Check that the document doesn't contain ambiguous link
texts. A typical example is several links with the text Read more pointing
to different URLs.

Check_refresh: Check that there isn't a meta element containing a refresh
instruction.

Check_tables: Make sure each table has at least one table heading.

Check_title: Check that the document has a non-empty title element.

Check_valid_language_code: Check that the first two characters of the lang
attribute value on the HTML element is in the list of valid |ISO 639-1
language codes.

Relation to other evaluation methodologies

This table lists the Raakt tests and how they relate to tests defined in
other accessibility evaluation methodologies, e.g. the UWEM 1.0 (Unified
Web Evaluation Methodology) and the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines
(WCAG) 1.0.

The table is not complete yet. Mapping is underway. Raakt test UWEM 1.0
WCAG 1.0

Check_areas1.1_HTML_01Checkpoint 1.1

Check_character_set-...

Check_document_structure3.5_HTML_03Checkpoint 3.5

Check_embed1.1_HTML_06...

Check_fieldset_legend12.3_HTML_01...

Check_for_formatting_elements7.2_HTML_01 and 7.3_HTML_01Checkpoint 11.2

Check_for_language_info-Checkpoint 4.3

Check_for_nested_tables-Checkpoint 5.3

Check_form12.4_HTML_02Checkpoint 12.4

Check_frames12.1_HTML_01Checkpoint 12.1

Check_has_heading-...

Check_images-Checkpoint 1.1

Check_input_type_img1.1_HTML_01Checkpoint 1.1

Check_link_text-...

Check_refresh-...

Check_tables-Checkpoint 5.1

Check_title-Checkpoint 13.2 (partial)

Check_valid_language_code-...



From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jan 31 05:11:06 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:11:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <auto-000083967694@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Peter:

It seems to me that it is not CAPTCHA's per se 
that we are opposed to, but visual requirements 
without reasonable alternatives.  Twitter does have an audio CAPTCHA.

These sites have reasonable security concerns and 
it is their right and responsibility to take 
steps to make them secure.  As long as they 
provide us with reasonable alternatives we should 
not oppose their visual approaches.

Dave

At 01:59 PM 1/30/2009, Peter Donahue wrote:
>Good afternoon everyone,
>
>     I'm sorry folks but if this organization opposes the use of CAPTCHA as a
>means of site security it has no business putting its presences on these
>sites that require blind people to use them; particularly if the audio
>quality is horrible and the person is both blind  and deaf. I'm all for
>establishing presences on social networks but not on those that require the
>use of a CAPTCHA as a part of registration process. As far as I'm concerned
>we're shooting ourselves in the foot if this continues!!
>
>Peter Donahue
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Danielsen, Chris (by way of David Andrews<dandrews at visi.com>)"
><CDanielsen at nfb.org>
>To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 9:58 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
>
>
>
>Dear Fellow Federationists:
>
>
>I am writing with exciting news! You can now
>follow the latest news and information from the
>National Federation of the Blind, the Voice of
>the Nation's Blind, on Twitter.  To follow our
>Twitter updates, go to
><http://www.twitter.com/NFB_voice>www.twitter.com/NFB_voice.
>You'll need to join Twitter if you don't have an account.
>
>
>
>Twitter is a social networking site that allows
>you to keep track of your friends, family, and
>interests online.  In addition to signing up for
>Web updates for the National Federation of the
>Blind, you can also opt to receive our Twitter
>updates via text message on your mobile
>phone.  And while you're at it, follow the 2009
>Braille Readers are Leaders campaign as well, by
>going to
><http://www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy>www.twitter.com/brailleliteracy
>
>
>
>We hope lots of you will follow our new Twitter
>feed­and don't hesitate to send us a direct
>message if you have questions or comments about what you read.
>
>
>
>Sincerely:
>
>
>
>Chris Danielsen
>
>Director of Public Relations
>
>NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net 
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com
>
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 
>270.10.16/1926 - Release Date: 1/30/2009 5:31 PM



From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 31 15:35:55 2009
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 09:35:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
References: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com><00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<7949e5e20901301519q4851cfdclb216143a15e97c97@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Hello Linda and listers,

It's also possible to invite Myspace and facebook contacts to join us on 
non-CAPTCHA Social Networks. And furthermore what's to stop these  folks 
from arguing against us in court saying that, "Despite our use of CAPTCHAS 
you folks still find ways to use our services so why should we change 
things?" Has anyone contemplated that possibility?

    I know of two social sites which I've set up accounts on that don't 
require the use of any visual verification. They are www.linkedin.com and 
www.instantspot.com. If we're going to create presences on these networks 
why hasn't the NFB gotten "Linked In" or "Spotted?" This is a means to and 
end that could backfire on us in the courts big-time.

Peter Donahue

 



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 16:54:21 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 11:54:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Frustrations
Message-ID: <B64B4738AFAF4F9482DBD2DF74CF1085@MonkeyPaw>

Hello all,

I'm sharing an exchange from another list, because the subject of their
frustrations is one I've heard in some form or fashion over the past several
years from fellow students.  The frustrations are understandable, but I
genuinely believe there is a way to work around them.  I began taking my own
advice a few years ago, and making appointments, while never a smooth task,
became easier because my contacts knew who I was and began expecting the
infamous call every year come early January.  If anyone else has other
suggestions, please contribute them.  Everyone should feel prepared and
confident to present their case to members of Congress and their staffers.

In the way of an additional piece of advice, to all my soon to be group
leaders, let everyone in your group have a turn at speaking.  People come to
DC for a reason.  Every person has a story.  Let them share it.  Staffers
can read the facts for themselves in the convenient little folders you will
hand them.  Use the opportunity to talk about why the law is necessary for
you in the course of your daily life.

For the group members, keep it brief.  You have a right to tell your
personal story, but after five minutes of rambling, I assure you, I have a
right to tune you out.  Make every minute count.  Make an impact.

Anyway, I've pasted the e-mail messages in their correct order for your
convenience.  This year will be the first year I do not join you all for
what I am sure will be a productive Washington Seminar.  Whether you take my
advice below or not, I hope you guys who are attending make it a good one
and represent us well.

Message 1:

    Hello ***,

    My name is *** and I am the current President of the ***. We actually
made connections last year for the purpose of scheduling our annual trip to
Washington.  

    A group of us will be traveling to Washington again this year in hopes
of  meeting with Congressman *** to present our concerns and seek his
support. I would like to schedule an appointment for Tuesday February 10. I
have pasted below a summary of the concerns we would like to discuss with
the Congressman, for his convenience and reference. 

    Thanks for your prompt attention to this request. I look forward to
hearing from you in the near future and greatly appreciate your time.

Message 2:

Hi ***,

Thank you for your request to meet with Congressman ***. Unfortunately, due
to the Congressman's hectic schedule, he will be unavailable for a meeting.
However, I am cc'ing the appropriate staff member, ***, who can set up a
meeting with you, and brief the Congressman at a later time.  Again, thank
you for your request. 

Message 3:

Scheduling Request Below is a reply that I just received and thought I would
share it with all of you for your feedback.
As usual,  it comes as no shock to me to hear that he doesn't have the time
nor the desire to meet with any of us for the 3rd year in a row. He hasn't
supported the quiet car legislation either, so can someone, anyone, tell me
who voted *** back into Congress and why they did so?
Is it worth the trouble to meet with his aid and wonder if she even
addresses our concerns with him? 
Should we chalk him up as a lost cause?
Should the affiliate compose a letter of concern in regards to his
indifference?

Message 4:

I know it must be frustrating.  My contribution probably won't help that
feeling, but having lobbied for the NFB for the past eight years, and having
assisted with legislative campaigns for several anti-human trafficking
organizations for the past three, I assure you meeting with a member of
Congress is not everything it's chalked up to be.  Someone once said, rather
ignorantly, that an organization should line up meetings with at least three
senators to show just how influential the organization could be.  Yet,
considering Boys Scouts and other such groups meet with public officials
regularly, I'm not entirely sure what criteria they were using to measure
influence.

Have you ever heard the saying that behind every man stands a good woman?
Behind every good public official stands a good group of legislative aides.
With few exceptions, I would prefer to meet with these aides, because it is
they who balance the official's priorities.  It is they who conduct the
research, write dear colleague letters, offer language revisions to pending
legislation, things a representative or senator is too busy to figure out
for him or herself.

Now, I'm not saying that meeting with the real deal is not good.  I'm just
saying that the way you make those meetings productive is by finding your
way to the top of their personal concerns by cultivating a strong
relationship with the right aide.  Every time McCarthy and company issue one
of their legislative alerts, be quick to forward that message along with a
personal note of how it was good to see them in February and how this is a
progress report on a piece of legislation they should really consider being
a part of.  I would develop a distribution list in your e-mail client or a
spreadsheet with the right contacts per congressional office and keep them
regularly updated, not only of the legislative progress, but of your own
affiliate's progress.  Invite them to your student functions, your state
conventions.  Tell them about any scholarship opportunities you guys may be
hosting.  In February you should use the opportunity to set the stage.  The
rest of the year you spend your time building on that foundation.  I think
many affiliates enjoy Washington Seminar for the opportunity to come
together and celebrate our legislative priorities, but few of them manage
effective follow-up operations.

Anyway, I hope this helps on some level.  This year may not turn out to be
the year you meet with the representative, but next year I promise you will
have gotten a lot closer to that opportunity through your efforts at
introducing their office not just to the organization, but to its people.

Best,

Joe Orozco

"Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity."--James M.
Barrie



From jj at bestmidi.com  Sat Jan 31 18:51:49 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 13:51:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
References: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com><00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn><7949e5e20901301519q4851cfdclb216143a15e97c97@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <91322E85628E4008B95E08B7F5FAFC5F@jsquared>

Peter,
Frankly, most of the students and others at this point are on Facebook. 
Ignoring a site like this is simply bad marketing.
The problem with much of the legislation on accessibility is the lack of 
clarity of who is responsible for the accessibility. Is it the screen reader 
manufacturers or the creators of the websites?

J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
A premier licensed Code Factory distributor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter


> Hello Linda and listers,
>
> It's also possible to invite Myspace and facebook contacts to join us on
> non-CAPTCHA Social Networks. And furthermore what's to stop these  folks
> from arguing against us in court saying that, "Despite our use of CAPTCHAS
> you folks still find ways to use our services so why should we change
> things?" Has anyone contemplated that possibility?
>
>    I know of two social sites which I've set up accounts on that don't
> require the use of any visual verification. They are www.linkedin.com and
> www.instantspot.com. If we're going to create presences on these networks
> why hasn't the NFB gotten "Linked In" or "Spotted?" This is a means to and
> end that could backfire on us in the courts big-time.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com
> 



From queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 20:56:47 2009
From: queen.marsha.lindsey at gmail.com (Marsha)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:56:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <auto-000083826551@mailfront1.g2host.com><00b701c98315$43fb8a00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn><7949e5e20901301519q4851cfdclb216143a15e97c97@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <7A20924229624A53B330407AD7E9F334@Cptr233>

What does this have to do with twitter? 

And for that matter there are studies being done at major universities in
Maryland on the CAPTCH issue, so I do not think there is going to be a
issue, as the NFB is working to help both of these university to come up
with a better solution.
marsha



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:36 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: NFB of California List
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter

Hello Linda and listers,

It's also possible to invite Myspace and facebook contacts to join us on 
non-CAPTCHA Social Networks. And furthermore what's to stop these  folks 
from arguing against us in court saying that, "Despite our use of CAPTCHAS 
you folks still find ways to use our services so why should we change 
things?" Has anyone contemplated that possibility?

    I know of two social sites which I've set up accounts on that don't 
require the use of any visual verification. They are www.linkedin.com and 
www.instantspot.com. If we're going to create presences on these networks 
why hasn't the NFB gotten "Linked In" or "Spotted?" This is a means to and 
end that could backfire on us in the courts big-time.

Peter Donahue

 


_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/queen.marsha.lindsey
%40gmail.com
 

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3814 (20090131) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com
 
 

__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
database 3814 (20090131) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.eset.com
 



From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 22:17:02 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 14:17:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <7949e5e20901301519q4851cfdclb216143a15e97c97@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <20090131221702.GA16372@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Peter, what's to stop them is that the fact that blind people use the 
site with sighted assistance is irrelevant.

Joseph

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 09:35:55AM -0600, Peter Donahue wrote:
>Hello Linda and listers,
>
>It's also possible to invite Myspace and facebook contacts to join us on 
>non-CAPTCHA Social Networks. And furthermore what's to stop these  folks 
>from arguing against us in court saying that, "Despite our use of CAPTCHAS 
>you folks still find ways to use our services so why should we change 
>things?" Has anyone contemplated that possibility?
>
>    I know of two social sites which I've set up accounts on that don't 
>require the use of any visual verification. They are www.linkedin.com and 
>www.instantspot.com. If we're going to create presences on these networks 
>why hasn't the NFB gotten "Linked In" or "Spotted?" This is a means to and 
>end that could backfire on us in the courts big-time.
>
>Peter Donahue


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 23:26:48 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2009 18:26:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow NFB on Twitter
In-Reply-To: <20090131221702.GA16372@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <7949e5e20901301519q4851cfdclb216143a15e97c97@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ea01c983b9$9cacd290$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
	<20090131221702.GA16372@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0901311526ted68193i5e376dadb9bc657a@mail.gmail.com>

I don't see why we shouldn't twitter.  So why make a ig deal about th
captchas?  I can see why we deo.
Beth

On 1/31/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> Peter, what's to stop them is that the fact that blind people use the
> site with sighted assistance is irrelevant.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 09:35:55AM -0600, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>Hello Linda and listers,
>>
>>It's also possible to invite Myspace and facebook contacts to join us on
>>non-CAPTCHA Social Networks. And furthermore what's to stop these  folks
>>from arguing against us in court saying that, "Despite our use of CAPTCHAS
>>you folks still find ways to use our services so why should we change
>>things?" Has anyone contemplated that possibility?
>>
>>    I know of two social sites which I've set up accounts on that don't
>>require the use of any visual verification. They are www.linkedin.com and
>>www.instantspot.com. If we're going to create presences on these networks
>>why hasn't the NFB gotten "Linked In" or "Spotted?" This is a means to and
>>end that could backfire on us in the courts big-time.
>>
>>Peter Donahue
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>