[nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?

Sat Jan 24 20:55:51 UTC 2009

It's a shame things like this happen to make life more difficult for us. 

--- On Sat, 1/24/09, melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
From: melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 12:05 AM

There has been so many stories in the news about people using tape recorders in
the classrooms.  Then turning them over to a tv station or something because the
professor said something that is seen as offensive.
There was a story on the news about a recording of a class where the prof said
something about police crossing the line.  Of course the tape was turned over
and I said to my roommate.  That is going to effect blind people in the long
run.

Melissa R. Green
Every answer asks a more beautiful question. --e e cummings

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Principato"
<blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording Lectures... Not allowed?

> What baffles me most though is that this professor claims to have worked
> for/with the NFB on something... or he might have said ACB or AFB. He
wasn't
> really specific. He just said vaguely, "the blind association".
But if he
> was serious, you'd think he might know already that a blind person
obviously
> needs to use some alternatives to gather information.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Corbb O'Connor
<corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm no expert on the legal side of this. But what I've found
works well is
>> to tell the professor about how you need to ascertain information in
>> different ways than other students. With these alternative techniques,
you
>> have access to the same information as your sighted classmates. Then
assure
>> the professor that you won't use the taped lectures in any way
except for
>> yourself--to learn. If you encounter resistance, you should follow the
>> bureaucracy--in some schools that means going to Student Services and
>> letting their Director make the contact, or by going to the director
of the
>> department in which the professor teaches.
>> 
>> Best of luck, and keep us posted.
>> Corbb
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Corbb O'Connor
>> The George Washington University '10
>> B.A. Political Communication & Economics
>> 
>> On Jan 23, 2009, at 1:14 AM, Jamie Principato wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> 
>> I know I spend more time reading this list than I do posting to it,
but I
>> encountered a little issue in my Psychology class this morning, and I
think
>> this is the place to find the best input.
>> 
>> I attend a small state college. Student services isn't great here
(there
>> are
>> other issues that only just got resolved, but not the point here) but
they
>> get the job done. One accommodation we talked about when I first
enrolled
>> was recording class lectures. I was told by Student Services that I
would
>> be
>> allowed to do this in any class that I needed to as long as doing so
>> wouldn't disrupt the class (which we determined it wouldn't as
I am only
>> recording on my laptop as I type notes). One of the main reasons I do
this
>> is because a lot of the time the professors have diagrams, drawings,
visual
>> aids, or written information on the board that needs to be copied into
>> notes, and I rely on the descriptions given in the lecture to make
sure I
>> have all the information I need. For me, this is more efficient than a
note
>> taker because I get the information I need right away and don't
have to
>> wait
>> on Student Services and end up behind in the class.
>> 
>> Today however, my professor stopped me and asked me if that was a
>> microphone
>> plugged into my laptop. I told him it was, and I politely asked if it
was
>> okay for me to record the class. In retrospect this was bad self
advocacy.
>> I
>> should have told him just as politely that Student Services arranged
for me
>> to record my lectures to make up for any visual information I would
>> otherwise miss. Anyway, in short he told me no, I could not record any
part
>> of his class. He was rather intimidating about it, and I'm rather
>> sensitive,
>> so again I made a self advocacy error and simply said okay and
unplugged
>> the
>> little mic. I want to confront him on this because I do feel as though
I am
>> missing a lot by not recording, and I was already told that it was a
>> reasonable accommodation and that I could do it... I'm still a
little
>> intimidated though and I don't want to confront him if I don't
have a leg
>> to
>> stand on.
>> 
>> Do I have a leg to stand on? Is there any legal backing for this? Can
he do
>> this?
>> 
>> Please help,
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> -Jamie
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