From cassonw at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 00:16:55 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:16:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] window-eyes 7
Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0902281616u15a05263yeafe695a77d2ab81@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am a user of window-eyes 7 since it came out.  It is my first screen
reader.  I have figured out most of the basics but am interested in what
advice you would have in making my use of it more efficient and productive.
I am especially interested in what the comp-sci and programmers have to say,
as i am a CS major.
Thanks,
Bill

From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 01:26:00 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:26:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Books Needed!
Message-ID: <auto-000090908402@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Greetings All,

Everyone knows by now we are celebrating as never before: The year of 
Braille! At convention we will have our annual Braille Book Flea 
Market. No where else can blind kids go into a "store" and browse for 
books to their hearts delight, and get them shipped home to their 
front doors. The room is electric with their excitement every year. I 
am asking all members and friends to please help make book choices 
available like never before.

Donate a new book to the flea market! You can buy a book from 
National Braille Press.org or Seedlings.org and send it to the 
address Peggy Chong will post in the near future. Or maybe you have 
an embosser and want to make a book, we'll take that too!

Last year we had a dire need for good books for teenagers, 13-18. 
Girls wanted Love Stories and Mysteries, Guys wanted Sci Fi and 
action adventure. Don't forget the Classics like the Count of Monte 
Cristo or The Three Musketeers or new hot ones like the Twilight 
series. Nothing replaces a good ol' hard copy to curl up with and for 
building reading speed. We had books for teenagers but many were very 
old or the titles were more like textbook topics than leisure 
reading. Not to say they were not appreciated, but I think you know 
what I mean.

We will take books for any age. The touch and feel early board books 
can be easily adapted by adding sticky Braille by many members. Have 
it be a chapter project!

Help us make this the Best Flea Market ever by giving every kid a 
great choice of new and gently used books to choose from!

Flea Market book questions should be directed to Peggy Chong at: 
<mailto:peggychong at eathlink.net>peggychong at earthlink.net.

Thank you One and All!

Reading is Fundamental and Braille Readers Are Indeed Leaders!

Carrie Gilmer, President
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
Home Phone: 763-784-8590
<mailto:carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
www.nfb.org/nopbc




From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sun Mar  1 01:27:57 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:27:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>

Like what?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain 
> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>
> Nicole
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Mar  1 04:11:41 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:11:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891>
	<003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>

Okay, guess it's not too off topic

1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not 
announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when it 
should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.

2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The first 
time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS 
will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time that 
I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it for 
that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their 
suggestions worked.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


Like what?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>
> Nicole
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 09:45:05 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 03:45:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
In-Reply-To: <7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891>
	<003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>

Nicole,

I don't have any answers for you, but I am incredibly glad I am not
the only one this is happening to.  I was beginning to wonder if I'd
gone mad *smile*  I have also been having the line problem you
described in my E-mail.  It took me a good hour to send off a short
concise E-mail to one of the people at Blind Inc.  I certainly hope FS
finds some fixes in a timely manner.
Courtney

On 2/28/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>
> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not
> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when it
> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>
> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The first
> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time that
> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it for
> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their
> suggestions worked.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> Like what?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>
>> Nicole
>> _______________________________________________
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sun Mar  1 14:01:27 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 09:01:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <004f01c99a76$37488dd0$0501a8c0@Serene>

I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version of Jaws are 
you using?

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>
> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not
> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when 
> it
> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>
> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The 
> first
> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time 
> that
> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it 
> for
> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their
> suggestions worked.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> Like what?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>
>> Nicole
>> _______________________________________________
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From newmanrl at cox.net  Sun Mar  1 16:20:26 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 10:20:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Deadline Coming for Writing Contest!
Message-ID: <auto-000087708740@mailfront1.g2host.com>

This is a notice for all you writers. I've asked that this message be 
placed in everyone's inbox, because writers can be found everywhere.

Respectfully yours, Robert Leslie Newman, NFB Writers' Division 
President  (See you in Braille)

NFB Writers' Division Writing contests For Both Youth And Adults

The Division wants to give you a heads-up. For all you writers, youth 
or adult, beware there is less than a month left before the deadline 
to submissions of poetry and/or fiction short stories for our annual 
writing contests. The opening date has come and gone, but  the 
closing date (Post Marked) of April 1st is coming soon.  See all 
requirements below:

Youth Writing Contest

The NFB Writers' Division is hosting a Youth Writing Contest to 
promote Braille literacy and excellence in creative writing. Entries 
will be judged on creativity and quality of Braille. We are looking 
for creative writing, in the form of fiction and poetry. There is no 
charge for entering.

This is a contest for students who use Braille. Entries must Be 
submitted in hand embossed Braille, either on a slate and stylus or 
on a Braille writer. No computer Braille entries will be considered. 
Submissions must be Brailled by the entrant. Elementary students 
(K-5) may submit contracted Braille, uncontracted Braille, or an 
acceptable combination of the two. Students in higher grades will be 
expected to submit stories or poetry in contracted Braille.

There are six categories, as follows: Elementary Fiction; Elementary 
Poetry; Middle School Fiction; Middle School Poetry; High School 
Fiction; High School Poetry. Elementary is K-5. Middle School is 6-8. 
High School is 9-12.

The contest began back on January first, and will end postmarked date 
April first. There will be three cash prizes for each of the six 
categories. First prize per contest is $25. Second prize is $15 and 
third prize is $5. Submissions for fiction may not exceed one 
thousand words. Poetry may not exceed twenty lines. Authors may 
submit multiple entries and all work must be original and unpublished.

Each entrant must provide an identical print copy for possible publication.

Entries must be accompanied by a cover sheet containing entrant's 
information: Name, address, phone, email, title of the entry, school 
and grade of entrant. Winners will be announced at our division 
meeting during the July 2009 NFB National convention held in Detroit, Michigan.

Send to Fred Wurtzel, 1212 N Foster, Lansing Michigan, 48912.

Adult Writing Contest

The NFB Writers' Division's writing contest for short fiction and 
poetry for adults has also been open since January 1st, and will also 
be closing Post Marked April 1st.    Prizes for adults are higher 
then for youth - Top prize for each contest is $100, second $50, and 
third $25. Winners of this contest will also be announced at our 
division meeting in Detroit.

Fiction: short stories can be up to 3,000 words and can be of any 
genre. All work must be original and previously unpublished. If you 
wish to submit- You are required to send a cover sheet with title of 
all entries, name, address, phone and email (if available). A second 
requirement , is please have your documents double spaced and if you 
are sending it hardcopy, it cannot be handwritten. The cost for 
submission of a single story is $5.00. You can send either a check or 
money order made out to the NFB Writers' Division.

You have two choices for submission: First is the traditional method 
of sending hardcopy and check, and if you do so, send it to Tom 
Stevens address- 1203 S. Fairview Road, Columbia MO 65203. The second 
method is to email your writing and cover letter to 
<mailto:cthls at earthlink.net>cthls at earthlink.net And for payment for 
electronic submissions check our web site and see if we have PayPal 
by then URL 
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org 
Or, if you need to snail-mail the check, use Tom's address in choice one.

Poetry: Entrants are invited to submit original poetry of up to 36 
lines. If you wish to submit- You are required to send a cover sheet 
with title of all entries, name, address, phone and email (if 
available). A second requirement , is please have your documents 
double spaced and if you are sending it hardcopy, it cannot be 
handwritten. The cost is $5.00 for up to 3 poems and you can send 
either a check or money order made out to the NFB Writers' Division.

You have two choices for submission: First is the traditional method 
of sending hardcopy and check, and if you do so, send it to Lori 
Stayer, 2704 Beach Drive, Merrick NY 11566.

The second method is to email your writing and cover letter to 
<mailto:LoriStay at aol.com>LoriStay at aol.com And for payment for 
electronic submissions check our web site and see if we have PayPal 
by then URL 
<http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>http://www.nfb-writers-division.org 
Or, if you need to snail-mail the check, use Lori's address in choice one.

President NFB Writers' Division
Robert Leslie Newman
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
Division Website-
<Http://www.nfb-writers-division.org>Http://www.nfb-writers-division.org



From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 16:42:08 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:42:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a member of this list and I Interview A Musician On
	Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <07824F38940149D1A94D5D453D6D96D5@homeuser>

Hello To All!
The first Djd Invasion show of March 2009 airs tonight on ACB Radio Interactive, and this promises to be an awesome program. The fun will begin at 6 PM eastern, go for three hours, and features:

some great music, including a couple of lost classics from the 40's.
In addition, the amazing Hope from Maine, who posts here from time to time, will be co hosting with me
And if that's not good enough for you, I'll be interviewing a musician who calls herself Lachi. She just graduated from N.Y.U in 2008, and between that plus her unique musical sound, I feel we'll be in for a treat tonight. If you'd like to hear a sample of her work before the interview, check her out at
http://www.ulachi.com
We'll be playing a couple of her tracks during the show. You will also have the opportunity to call in during the interview and ask her questions!!!
All of this will be happening, plus your requests by email or msn messenger at the address
request at acbradio.org
by aol instant messenger at the address
djdrocks
or when I'm on the microphone or, in tonight's case, interviewing Lachi, you'll have the opportunity to call in and speak on the air live by dialing
1-516-874-5071
or by skyping me at
thedjdinvasion
Between the interview, the upbeat music, and everything that is a Djd Invasion program, I think we're going to have fun tonight!
So to listen, save this email, and at 6 PM eastern time (which is 5 PM central) head on over to
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/listen.html
to be connected to the program. Remember that the listening options have been modified some, and most will not work til the show is on the air!
I am looking forward to having you all there for tonight's presentation with Lachi. I will see you there!
Best regards,
David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com

From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Mar  1 16:43:51 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 08:43:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
	<004f01c99a76$37488dd0$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <C3FC288C878D477DAEE2C76F23D75334@D3ZCJ891>

9.0

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version of Jaws are
you using?

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>
> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not
> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when
> it
> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>
> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
> first
> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
> that
> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
> for
> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their
> suggestions worked.
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> Like what?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>
>> Nicole
>> _______________________________________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  1 18:33:46 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 13:33:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><004f01c99a76$37488dd0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<C3FC288C878D477DAEE2C76F23D75334@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <001d01c99a9c$42ff19c0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I have a problem reading text documents. For some reason jaws will only read 
part of the document but I have know problem with ms word or rtf. I have 
also tried turning jaws off and restarting it as well as repairing jaws but 
that has not changed things. I am also using the same bersion but I have the 
update for 9.0.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> 9.0
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version of Jaws 
> are
> you using?
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>
>> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will 
>> not
>> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when
>> it
>> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>
>> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
>> first
>> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
>> that
>> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
>> for
>> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of 
>> their
>> suggestions worked.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>> Like what?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>> _______________________________________________
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sun Mar  1 20:10:49 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:10:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><004f01c99a76$37488dd0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<C3FC288C878D477DAEE2C76F23D75334@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <001f01c99aa9$d0ebbab0$0501a8c0@Serene>

Oh ok.  Then, I know nothing cuz I don't use that version.  Sorry.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> 9.0
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version of Jaws 
> are
> you using?
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>
>> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will 
>> not
>> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when
>> it
>> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>
>> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
>> first
>> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
>> that
>> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
>> for
>> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of 
>> their
>> suggestions worked.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>> Like what?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Mar  1 20:45:20 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 14:45:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
In-Reply-To: <001d01c99a9c$42ff19c0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891>
	<003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
	<004f01c99a76$37488dd0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<C3FC288C878D477DAEE2C76F23D75334@D3ZCJ891>
	<001d01c99a9c$42ff19c0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <auto-000090964111@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Make sure your page is maximized, alt-space bar, then x.  Also, check 
your setting under word wrap, and try changing it.

Dave

At 12:33 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:
>I have a problem reading text documents. For some reason jaws will 
>only read part of the document but I have know problem with ms word 
>or rtf. I have also tried turning jaws off and restarting it as well 
>as repairing jaws but that has not changed things. I am also using 
>the same bersion but I have the update for 9.0.
>Rania,
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:43 AM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>>9.0
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:01 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version of Jaws are
>>you using?
>>
>>Serena
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>>Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>>
>>>1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not
>>>announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when
>>>it
>>>should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>>
>>>2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
>>>first
>>>time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>>>will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
>>>that
>>>I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
>>>for
>>>that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their
>>>suggestions worked.
>>>
>>>Nicole
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>Like what?
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>>If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>>>things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>>
>>>>Nicole
>>>>_______________________________________________
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Sun Mar  1 21:14:14 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:14:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers to Participate in the
 National Federation of the Blind Motor City March for Independence
Message-ID: <auto-000090966105@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE




CONTACT:

Chris 
Danielsen 


Director of Public Relations
National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, ext. 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org





Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers to Participate in the
  National Federation of the Blind Motor City March for Independence



Alliance President & CEO Dave McCurdy to Speak at Event



Baltimore, Maryland (February 27, 2009): The National Federation of 
the Blind (NFB) announced today that the Alliance of Automobile 
Manufacturers, a coalition of eleven major automakers, will 
participate in the NFB's third annual March for Independence.  The 
Motor City March for Independence will take place on the morning of 
July 6, 2009, as part of the convention of the National Federation of 
the Blind that is to be held in Detroit.  Over a thousand blind 
citizens from across the nation will march to raise money to benefit 
blind people all over the United States and to raise awareness about 
the capabilities of blind people.



Dave McCurdy, President of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, 
said: "Alliance members support organizations, such as the National 
Federation of the Blind, that are doing important work to ensure the 
health and safety of drivers, pedestrians, and others who use 
America's roadways.  I'm pleased the organization is supporting 
Detroit by choosing it as the location for this event.  Although ours 
is a global industry, automakers have many historical ties to this area."



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "We are pleased to have the Alliance of Automobile 
Manufacturers in this year's March for Independence.  It is 
particularly fitting that at our Motor City March we will be joined 
by the organization that represents the most innovative and 
influential car manufacturers in the world."



The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers 
(<http://www.autoalliance.org/>www.autoalliance.org) represents 
eleven car and light truck manufacturers, including BMW Group, 
Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Company, Jaguar Land Rover, General Motors, 
Mazda, Mercedes-Benz USA, Mitsubishi Motors, Porsche, Toyota, and 
Volkswagen.  It represents the common interests of its members and 
provides a forum to enable them to advance public policies that meet 
consumer and societal needs for clean, sustainable, safe, efficient, 
and affordable personal transportation.



For more information about the March for Independence, including how 
to participate and how to sponsor a marcher, visit 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/>www.marchforindependence.org. 
To learn more about the National Federation of the Blind, please 
visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.





###









About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.




From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar  2 01:13:07 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:13:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891>
	<003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
	<7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca>

The same thing is happening here too. I find also that JAWS 8 or  
earlier isn't compatible with Microsoft Office 2007. I still love it  
though. Just make sure if you feel like changing languages like me  
that you remember how to change them back <smile> Same
goes for skype ...

Quoting Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>:

> Nicole,
>
> I don't have any answers for you, but I am incredibly glad I am not
> the only one this is happening to.  I was beginning to wonder if I'd
> gone mad *smile*  I have also been having the line problem you
> described in my E-mail.  It took me a good hour to send off a short
> concise E-mail to one of the people at Blind Inc.  I certainly hope FS
> finds some fixes in a timely manner.
> Courtney
>
> On 2/28/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>
>> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not
>> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when it
>> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>
>> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The first
>> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time that
>> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it for
>> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their
>> suggestions worked.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>> Like what?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>> _______________________________________________
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Mar  2 01:41:15 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 17:41:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>

I'm using word 2003, but word 2007 is not accessible with any screen reader, 
in my opinion. Having fun with the ribbon tool bar? (meant to be sarcastic)

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


The same thing is happening here too. I find also that JAWS 8 or
earlier isn't compatible with Microsoft Office 2007. I still love it
though. Just make sure if you feel like changing languages like me
that you remember how to change them back <smile> Same
goes for skype ...

Quoting Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>:

> Nicole,
>
> I don't have any answers for you, but I am incredibly glad I am not
> the only one this is happening to.  I was beginning to wonder if I'd
> gone mad *smile*  I have also been having the line problem you
> described in my E-mail.  It took me a good hour to send off a short
> concise E-mail to one of the people at Blind Inc.  I certainly hope FS
> finds some fixes in a timely manner.
> Courtney
>
> On 2/28/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>
>> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will 
>> not
>> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when 
>> it
>> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>
>> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The 
>> first
>> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time 
>> that
>> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it 
>> for
>> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of 
>> their
>> suggestions worked.
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>> Like what?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>
>>> Nicole
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Mar  2 01:54:09 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:54:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] OT sort of
Message-ID: <20090302015409.13763.37362@web3.serotek.com>

Oh no. Johny Walker Black is good, too. But meditation is often cheaper.

Respectfully Submitted


Original message:
> Guess I'm the only one who knocks back a glass of Johnny Walker Black.  Ah
> well, I'm sure meditating and listening to music are healthier ways of
> relieving stress.

> Marc

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Jedi
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 1:26 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT sort of


> I meditate. I've been known to open up a window to get some fresh air
> and light some insense. It's a nice way to unwind. If I'm feeling
> particularly plugged up, I also talk to friends and work it out.
> Original message:
>> Trying listening to music or talking to a friend.
>> Rania,
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lora and Myrtle" <blindhistory at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:07 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] OT sort of


>>> How do you guys destress after a hard day at school?

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From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Mon Mar  2 02:01:55 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:01:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading RFB books
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJEEFNCFAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I read RFB books on my BrailleNote but I am sending it away to be repaired
and I am wondering what is the best way to read books from RFB and D? Is
there a way to find certain sections of the book in the downloadable books?
Thanks.
Rachel



From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Mon Mar  2 02:42:50 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 18:42:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] makeup
Message-ID: <20090302024235.CEMN882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Hey Nabsters,
Hope all is well.  This might have been mentioned before, it has 
been awhile.  I was just wondering how we put on makeup 
independently? How do we know if it's too much or too little? 
What kinds of products are better to use than others? I'm very 
interested in wearing makeup, but I usually have my friends do it 
for me or my mom.  Any suggestions or advice is greatly 
appreciated.
Cheers, Hannah


From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 03:07:49 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:07:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
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Is there a way to change it in notepad?
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> Make sure your page is maximized, alt-space bar, then x.  Also, check your 
> setting under word wrap, and try changing it.
>
> Dave
>
> At 12:33 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:
>>I have a problem reading text documents. For some reason jaws will only 
>>read part of the document but I have know problem with ms word or rtf. I 
>>have also tried turning jaws off and restarting it as well as repairing 
>>jaws but that has not changed things. I am also using the same bersion but 
>>I have the update for 9.0.
>>Rania,
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:43 AM
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>
>>
>>>9.0
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:01 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version of Jaws 
>>>are
>>>you using?
>>>
>>>Serena
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>>Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>>>
>>>>1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will 
>>>>not
>>>>announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard 
>>>>when
>>>>it
>>>>should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>>>
>>>>2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
>>>>first
>>>>time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>>>>will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
>>>>that
>>>>I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
>>>>for
>>>>that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of 
>>>>their
>>>>suggestions worked.
>>>>
>>>>Nicole
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Like what?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>>>>things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nicole
>>>>>_______________________________________________
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From thisischris89 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 03:37:34 2009
From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christopher Kchao)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:37:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading RFB books
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJEEFNCFAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJEEFNCFAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <5EC18F61DE664DD1A603F93C77EB5234@consumer281f9d>

The downloadable books are just protected windows media files. They're often
set up so that you can navigate by chapter. Additionally, every file is a
page. Hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Rachel Becker
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:02 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] reading RFB books

I read RFB books on my BrailleNote but I am sending it away to be repaired
and I am wondering what is the best way to read books from RFB and D? Is
there a way to find certain sections of the book in the downloadable books?
Thanks.
Rachel


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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 03:48:43 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:48:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
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	<E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>
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I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be me.
It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know everything.
I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.

Liz 

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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 04:22:45 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:22:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
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	<7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
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Liz,

With 2007, how do you get the word count for your current document?
Courtney

On 3/1/09, Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be me.
> It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know everything.
> I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.
>
> Liz
>
> email:
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 04:46:05 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 23:46:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
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	<7949e5e20903012022v3b81a43fk9e16652c478bc229@mail.gmail.com>
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Courtney and all, 

In Word 2007, Word Count can be found under the Review tab. Tab around
there, and you should find it, not too far in. 

Take care, and if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. 

Liz 

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From mworkman at ualberta.ca  Mon Mar  2 05:05:19 2009
From: mworkman at ualberta.ca (mworkman at ualberta.ca)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 22:05:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
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Message-ID: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLKEFKDKAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>

Courtney,

My understanding of 2007 is that you can use the same keystrokes you would
use in earlier versions of word.  So for the word count, you should be able
to hit alt T, and then W.  I just tested it, and it works.  So just remember
that all the keystorkes from earlier versions should work for 2007.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Linda Stover
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


Liz,

With 2007, how do you get the word count for your current document?
Courtney

On 3/1/09, Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be
me.
> It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know
everything.
> I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.
>
> Liz
>
> email:
> liz.bottner at gmail.com
> Visit my livejournal:
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
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March
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Mar  2 05:33:56 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 21:33:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLKEFKDKAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <0E564DB309444B4A93877E8412B75293@D3ZCJ891>

If you know all of the keystrokes, you're fine. It's if you don't and you 
have to go find it that you're in trouble. The ribbon has visual divisions, 
but there is no way to jump to those divisions.  I haven't used it since 
last summer, but I remember it being very frustrating.  BTW, is there 
anywhere that you can still get Word 2003?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <mworkman at ualberta.ca>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


Courtney,

My understanding of 2007 is that you can use the same keystrokes you would
use in earlier versions of word.  So for the word count, you should be able
to hit alt T, and then W.  I just tested it, and it works.  So just remember
that all the keystorkes from earlier versions should work for 2007.

Marc

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Linda Stover
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


Liz,

With 2007, how do you get the word count for your current document?
Courtney

On 3/1/09, Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be
me.
> It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know
everything.
> I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.
>
> Liz
>
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> for Independence:
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar  2 07:21:39 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:21:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
In-Reply-To: <E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>
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No! <smile> not at all. I'm not sure it's a screen reader problem -  
it's not too bad with JAWS 10, but I think it just sucks for everyone.
Sarah


Quoting "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>:

> I'm using word 2003, but word 2007 is not accessible with any screen reader,
> in my opinion. Having fun with the ribbon tool bar? (meant to be sarcastic)
>
> Nicole
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 5:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> The same thing is happening here too. I find also that JAWS 8 or
> earlier isn't compatible with Microsoft Office 2007. I still love it
> though. Just make sure if you feel like changing languages like me
> that you remember how to change them back <smile> Same
> goes for skype ...
>
> Quoting Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>:
>
>> Nicole,
>>
>> I don't have any answers for you, but I am incredibly glad I am not
>> the only one this is happening to.  I was beginning to wonder if I'd
>> gone mad *smile*  I have also been having the line problem you
>> described in my E-mail.  It took me a good hour to send off a short
>> concise E-mail to one of the people at Blind Inc.  I certainly hope FS
>> finds some fixes in a timely manner.
>> Courtney
>>
>> On 2/28/09, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>>> Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>>
>>> 1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will
>>> not
>>> announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when
>>> it
>>> should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>>
>>> 2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
>>> first
>>> time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>>> will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
>>> that
>>> I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
>>> for
>>> that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of
>>> their
>>> suggestions worked.
>>>
>>> Nicole
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>> Like what?
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>> If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>>> things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
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From mike at mello.com  Mon Mar  2 07:23:48 2009
From: mike at mello.com (Mike Mello)
Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 23:23:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nfbwatlk] What to do when you meet a sighted person
Message-ID: <20090302072351.CAA1C15C2832@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com>

>From the NFBW Talk listserv:
FUN stuff!!
--Mello

What To Do When You Meet A Sighted Person (Author Unknown) People who use 
their eyes to receive information about the world are called sighted people 
or "people who are sighted." Legal "sight" means any visual acuity greater 
then 20/200 in the better eye without correction or an angle of vision wider 
than 20 degrees. Sighted people enjoy rich full lives, working, playing, and 
raising families. They run businesses, hold public office, and teach your 
children! 

How do Sighted People Get Around? People who are sighted may walk or ride 
public transportation, but most choose to travel long distances by operating 
their own motor vehicles. They have gone through many hours of training to 
learn the "rules of the road" in order to further their independence. Once 
that road to freedom has been mastered, sighted people earn a legal 
classification and a "Driver's License" which allows them to operate a 
private vehicle safely and independently. 

How Do You Assist A Sighted Person? Sighted people are accustomed to viewing 
the world in visual terms. This means that in many situations, they will not 
be able to communicate orally and may resort to pointing or other gesturing. 

Subtle facial expressions may also be used to convey feelings in social 
situations. Calmly alert the sighted person to his surroundings by speaking 
slowly, in a normal tone of voice. Questions directed at the sighted person 
help focus attention back on the verbal rather than visual communication. 

At times, sighted people may need help finding things, especially when 
operating a motor vehicle. Your advance knowledge of routes and landmarks, 
particularly bumps in the road, tums, and traffic lights, will assist the 
"driver" in finding the way quickly and easily. Your knowledge of building 
layouts can also assist the sighted person in navigating complex shopping 
malls, and offices. Sighted people tend to be very proud and will not ask 
directly for assistance. Be gentle yet firm. 

How Do Sighted People Use Computers? The person who is sighted relies 
exclusively on visual information. His or her attention span fades quickly 
when reading long texts. Computer information is presented in a "Graphical 
User Interface" or GUI. Coordination of hands and eyes is often a problem 
for sighted people, so the computer mouse, a handy device that slides along 
the desk top, saves confusing keystrokes. With one button, the sighted 
person can move around his or her computer screen quickly and easily. People 
who are sighted are not accustomed to synthetic speech and may have great 
difficulty understanding even the clearest synthesizer. Be patient and 
prepared to explain many times how your computer equipment works. 

How Do Sighted People Read? Sighted people read through a system called 
"Print" this is a series of images drawn in a two dimensional plain. People 
who are sighted generally have a poorly developed sense of touch. Braille is 
completely foreign to the sighted person and he or she will take longer to 
learn the code and be severely limited by his or her existing visual senses. 

Sighted people cannot function well in low lighting conditions and are 
generally completely helpless in total darkness. Their homes are usually 
very brightly lit at great expense, as are businesses that cater to the 
sighted consumer. 

How Can I Support A Sighted Person? People who are sighted do not want your 
charity. They want to live, work, and play along with you. The best thing 
you can do to support sighted people in your community is to open yourself 
to their world. These Americans are vital contributing members to society. 
Take a sighted person to lunch today! 


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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar  2 07:31:39 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:31:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] makeup
In-Reply-To: <20090302024235.CEMN882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090302024235.CEMN882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <20090302023139.83zhlf3elcg400s8@webmail.utoronto.ca>

This is a really good question. I've been wondering the same thing. To  
add to that, has anyone tried to straighten their hair independently?
Thanks for your help,
Sarah


Quoting hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>:

> Hey Nabsters,
> Hope all is well.  This might have been mentioned before, it has been
> awhile.  I was just wondering how we put on makeup independently? How
> do we know if it's too much or too little? What kinds of products are
> better to use than others? I'm very interested in wearing makeup, but I
> usually have my friends do it for me or my mom.  Any suggestions or
> advice is greatly appreciated.
> Cheers, Hannah
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Mar  2 15:15:52 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 07:15:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nfbwatlk] What to do when you meet a sighted
	person
References: <20090302072351.CAA1C15C2832@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com>
Message-ID: <DEE3EFA3DA894FFC84476AB01446E486@D3ZCJ891>

Amusing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mello" <mike at mello.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:23 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nfbwatlk] What to do when you meet a sighted person


>From the NFBW Talk listserv:
FUN stuff!!
--Mello

What To Do When You Meet A Sighted Person (Author Unknown) People who use
their eyes to receive information about the world are called sighted people
or "people who are sighted." Legal "sight" means any visual acuity greater
then 20/200 in the better eye without correction or an angle of vision wider
than 20 degrees. Sighted people enjoy rich full lives, working, playing, and
raising families. They run businesses, hold public office, and teach your
children!

How do Sighted People Get Around? People who are sighted may walk or ride
public transportation, but most choose to travel long distances by operating
their own motor vehicles. They have gone through many hours of training to
learn the "rules of the road" in order to further their independence. Once
that road to freedom has been mastered, sighted people earn a legal
classification and a "Driver's License" which allows them to operate a
private vehicle safely and independently.

How Do You Assist A Sighted Person? Sighted people are accustomed to viewing
the world in visual terms. This means that in many situations, they will not
be able to communicate orally and may resort to pointing or other gesturing.

Subtle facial expressions may also be used to convey feelings in social
situations. Calmly alert the sighted person to his surroundings by speaking
slowly, in a normal tone of voice. Questions directed at the sighted person
help focus attention back on the verbal rather than visual communication.

At times, sighted people may need help finding things, especially when
operating a motor vehicle. Your advance knowledge of routes and landmarks,
particularly bumps in the road, tums, and traffic lights, will assist the
"driver" in finding the way quickly and easily. Your knowledge of building
layouts can also assist the sighted person in navigating complex shopping
malls, and offices. Sighted people tend to be very proud and will not ask
directly for assistance. Be gentle yet firm.

How Do Sighted People Use Computers? The person who is sighted relies
exclusively on visual information. His or her attention span fades quickly
when reading long texts. Computer information is presented in a "Graphical
User Interface" or GUI. Coordination of hands and eyes is often a problem
for sighted people, so the computer mouse, a handy device that slides along
the desk top, saves confusing keystrokes. With one button, the sighted
person can move around his or her computer screen quickly and easily. People
who are sighted are not accustomed to synthetic speech and may have great
difficulty understanding even the clearest synthesizer. Be patient and
prepared to explain many times how your computer equipment works.

How Do Sighted People Read? Sighted people read through a system called
"Print" this is a series of images drawn in a two dimensional plain. People
who are sighted generally have a poorly developed sense of touch. Braille is
completely foreign to the sighted person and he or she will take longer to
learn the code and be severely limited by his or her existing visual senses.

Sighted people cannot function well in low lighting conditions and are
generally completely helpless in total darkness. Their homes are usually
very brightly lit at great expense, as are businesses that cater to the
sighted consumer.

How Can I Support A Sighted Person? People who are sighted do not want your
charity. They want to live, work, and play along with you. The best thing
you can do to support sighted people in your community is to open yourself
to their world. These Americans are vital contributing members to society.
Take a sighted person to lunch today!


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From chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 17:34:21 2009
From: chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com (Chelsea Munoz)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:34:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nfbwatlk] What to do when you meet a
	sighted	person
In-Reply-To: <DEE3EFA3DA894FFC84476AB01446E486@D3ZCJ891>
References: <20090302072351.CAA1C15C2832@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com>
	<DEE3EFA3DA894FFC84476AB01446E486@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <000301c99b5d$4085e3b0$c191ab10$@com>

Amusing; thanks so much for sharing!



From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Mar  2 18:10:43 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:10:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
In-Reply-To: <001301c99ae4$12247550$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891>
	<003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891>
	<004f01c99a76$37488dd0$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<C3FC288C878D477DAEE2C76F23D75334@D3ZCJ891>
	<001d01c99a9c$42ff19c0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<auto-000090964111@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<001301c99ae4$12247550$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
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When you say "it" I presume you mean word wrap?  Yes, it is the first 
entry in the format menu alt-o

Dave

At 09:07 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:
>Is there a way to change it in notepad?
>Rania,
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:45 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
>>Make sure your page is maximized, alt-space bar, then x.  Also, 
>>check your setting under word wrap, and try changing it.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>At 12:33 PM 3/1/2009, you wrote:
>>>I have a problem reading text documents. For some reason jaws will 
>>>only read part of the document but I have know problem with ms 
>>>word or rtf. I have also tried turning jaws off and restarting it 
>>>as well as repairing jaws but that has not changed things. I am 
>>>also using the same bersion but I have the update for 9.0.
>>>Rania,
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 11:43 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>
>>>
>>>>9.0
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 6:01 AM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've never experienced any of these issues before.  What version 
>>>>of Jaws are
>>>>you using?
>>>>
>>>>Serena
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 11:11 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Okay, guess it's not too off topic
>>>>>
>>>>>1. Sometimes, I have not been able to catch the trigger yet, JAWS will not
>>>>>announce copied selection to clipboard or cut selection to clipboard when
>>>>>it
>>>>>should. The only cure for this that I have found is to restart JAWS.
>>>>>
>>>>>2. JAWS is being very weird in MS Word 2003. I will go to a line. The
>>>>>first
>>>>>time it will read it fine. If I arrow down, then back to that line, JAWS
>>>>>will repeat the line multiple times and/or read another line. Each time
>>>>>that
>>>>>I return to the line, JAWS repeats more. If I edit the line, it fixes it
>>>>>for
>>>>>that moment. I've talked to Freedom Scientific about it, but none of their
>>>>>suggestions worked.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nicole
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 5:27 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Like what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" 
>>>>><ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:50 PM
>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>If this is not off topic, I would like to compare notes about certain
>>>>>>things that I have been noticing going wrong with JAWS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nicole
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 18:44:49 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:44:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <LNEJJKLNICEECFDGEDGLKEFKDKAA.mworkman@ualberta.ca>
	<0E564DB309444B4A93877E8412B75293@D3ZCJ891>
Message-ID: <00ca01c99b66$f7d15370$0501a8c0@Serene>

Hi Nicole

You might've done this already, but you could simply try googling word 2003 
and see what you get.  That's what I had to do when I wanted to reinstall 
AIM 5.9 on my computer.  You never know!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


> If you know all of the keystrokes, you're fine. It's if you don't and you
> have to go find it that you're in trouble. The ribbon has visual 
> divisions,
> but there is no way to jump to those divisions.  I haven't used it since
> last summer, but I remember it being very frustrating.  BTW, is there
> anywhere that you can still get Word 2003?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <mworkman at ualberta.ca>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> Courtney,
>
> My understanding of 2007 is that you can use the same keystrokes you would
> use in earlier versions of word.  So for the word count, you should be 
> able
> to hit alt T, and then W.  I just tested it, and it works.  So just 
> remember
> that all the keystorkes from earlier versions should work for 2007.
>
> Marc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Linda Stover
> Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
>
>
> Liz,
>
> With 2007, how do you get the word count for your current document?
> Courtney
>
> On 3/1/09, Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be
> me.
>> It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know
> everything.
>> I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>> email:
>> liz.bottner at gmail.com
>> Visit my livejournal:
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>> Follow me on Twitter:
>> http://twitter.com/lizbot
>> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the
> March
>> for Independence:
>>
> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
>> m&fr_id=1050
>>
>>
>>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 18:46:14 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:46:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nfbwatlk] What to do when you meet a sighted
	person
References: <20090302072351.CAA1C15C2832@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com>
Message-ID: <00d801c99b67$2a9cb6a0$0501a8c0@Serene>

This is reallly hilarious!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mello" <mike at mello.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 2:23 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nfbwatlk] What to do when you meet a sighted person


> >From the NFBW Talk listserv:
> FUN stuff!!
> --Mello
>
> What To Do When You Meet A Sighted Person (Author Unknown) People who use
> their eyes to receive information about the world are called sighted 
> people
> or "people who are sighted." Legal "sight" means any visual acuity greater
> then 20/200 in the better eye without correction or an angle of vision 
> wider
> than 20 degrees. Sighted people enjoy rich full lives, working, playing, 
> and
> raising families. They run businesses, hold public office, and teach your
> children!
>
> How do Sighted People Get Around? People who are sighted may walk or ride
> public transportation, but most choose to travel long distances by 
> operating
> their own motor vehicles. They have gone through many hours of training to
> learn the "rules of the road" in order to further their independence. Once
> that road to freedom has been mastered, sighted people earn a legal
> classification and a "Driver's License" which allows them to operate a
> private vehicle safely and independently.
>
> How Do You Assist A Sighted Person? Sighted people are accustomed to 
> viewing
> the world in visual terms. This means that in many situations, they will 
> not
> be able to communicate orally and may resort to pointing or other 
> gesturing.
>
> Subtle facial expressions may also be used to convey feelings in social
> situations. Calmly alert the sighted person to his surroundings by 
> speaking
> slowly, in a normal tone of voice. Questions directed at the sighted 
> person
> help focus attention back on the verbal rather than visual communication.
>
> At times, sighted people may need help finding things, especially when
> operating a motor vehicle. Your advance knowledge of routes and landmarks,
> particularly bumps in the road, tums, and traffic lights, will assist the
> "driver" in finding the way quickly and easily. Your knowledge of building
> layouts can also assist the sighted person in navigating complex shopping
> malls, and offices. Sighted people tend to be very proud and will not ask
> directly for assistance. Be gentle yet firm.
>
> How Do Sighted People Use Computers? The person who is sighted relies
> exclusively on visual information. His or her attention span fades quickly
> when reading long texts. Computer information is presented in a "Graphical
> User Interface" or GUI. Coordination of hands and eyes is often a problem
> for sighted people, so the computer mouse, a handy device that slides 
> along
> the desk top, saves confusing keystrokes. With one button, the sighted
> person can move around his or her computer screen quickly and easily. 
> People
> who are sighted are not accustomed to synthetic speech and may have great
> difficulty understanding even the clearest synthesizer. Be patient and
> prepared to explain many times how your computer equipment works.
>
> How Do Sighted People Read? Sighted people read through a system called
> "Print" this is a series of images drawn in a two dimensional plain. 
> People
> who are sighted generally have a poorly developed sense of touch. Braille 
> is
> completely foreign to the sighted person and he or she will take longer to
> learn the code and be severely limited by his or her existing visual 
> senses.
>
> Sighted people cannot function well in low lighting conditions and are
> generally completely helpless in total darkness. Their homes are usually
> very brightly lit at great expense, as are businesses that cater to the
> sighted consumer.
>
> How Can I Support A Sighted Person? People who are sighted do not want 
> your
> charity. They want to live, work, and play along with you. The best thing
> you can do to support sighted people in your community is to open yourself
> to their world. These Americans are vital contributing members to society.
> Take a sighted person to lunch today!
>
>
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>
>
> Michael J. Mello
>
> mike at mello.com
>
> (208) 301-0565
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Mon Mar  2 20:14:38 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:14:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hair
Message-ID: <20090302201420.LDFF882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

I've straightened and curled my hair before and it's actually 
pretty easy.  When you get a straightening iron, you want to get 
one that does not get hot on the outside.  When you straighten 
your hair, you hold the part of the hair straightener that clamps 
around your hair.  Hope this works.
Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:31:39 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] makeup

>This is a really good question.  I've been wondering the same 
thing.  To
>add to that, has anyone tried to straighten their hair 
independently?
>Thanks for your help,
>Sarah


>Quoting hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>:

>> Hey Nabsters,
>> Hope all is well.  This might have been mentioned before, it has 
been
>> awhile.  I was just wondering how we put on makeup 
independently? How
>> do we know if it's too much or too little? What kinds of 
products are
>> better to use than others? I'm very interested in wearing 
makeup, but I
>> usually have my friends do it for me or my mom.  Any suggestions 
or
>> advice is greatly appreciated.
>> Cheers, Hannah

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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Mon Mar  2 20:55:23 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:55:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hair
Message-ID: <20090302205352.KIVX6596.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hi.  Hannah, you mentioned that you both straighten and curl your 
hair.  Can you give any tips on using a curling iron 
independently?
Hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:14:38 -0800
>Subject: [nabs-l] hair

>I've straightened and curled my hair before and it's actually
>pretty easy.  When you get a straightening iron, you want to get
>one that does not get hot on the outside.  When you straighten
>your hair, you hold the part of the hair straightener that clamps
>around your hair.  Hope this works.
>Hannah

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:31:39 -0500
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] makeup

>>This is a really good question.  I've been wondering the same
>thing.  To
>>add to that, has anyone tried to straighten their hair
>independently?
>>Thanks for your help,
>>Sarah


>>Quoting hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>:

>>> Hey Nabsters,
>>> Hope all is well.  This might have been mentioned before, it has
>been
>>> awhile.  I was just wondering how we put on makeup
>independently? How
>>> do we know if it's too much or too little? What kinds of
>products are
>>> better to use than others? I'm very interested in wearing
>makeup, but I
>>> usually have my friends do it for me or my mom.  Any suggestions
>or
>>> advice is greatly appreciated.
>>> Cheers, Hannah

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From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  2 21:43:50 2009
From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:43:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] NEW DIVISION OF NABS!!!!!!
Message-ID: <758966.16063.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Delaware had their first ever NABS meeting last Wednesday. We have SIX in the division and are selling Honey Baked Ham products for Easter as a FUNDRAISER so we can join you in Detroit. We have gift certificates at $25, $40, and $50. You can use them at store near you.
 
Please help support us so we can join you! It would be greatly appreciated. Contact Liz Bottner or myself before March 27 for more details. 
 
Thanks for your help in advance!
Catherine Newman


      

From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Mon Mar  2 21:53:36 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:53:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
Message-ID: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463>

Hello Everyone,
I have been hired for the position of a Resident Advisor for a Residence
Hall on campus for the 2009-2010 academic year. I would like to know if any
of you have ever been RAs during your collegiate career, and if so what were
your experiences of serving in this particular capacity like? I have a
wonderful support system and we are in the process of strategizing,
accommodating, and modifying everything ahead of time in order for me to be
ready to perform my job effectively and efficiently from day 1.
Any input would be grately appreciated.
Thank you,
Kolby


From jj at bestmidi.com  Mon Mar  2 22:06:44 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:06:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NEW DIVISION OF NABS!!!!!!
References: <758966.16063.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42237174D79F4950904F57D4D068EC0A@jsquared>

Congratulations on your new division.
I wish you only the best of success, and encourage you to talk to other 
divisions in your region, the NABS board, and this list as you grow and 
prosper.
Thanks.
J.J. 



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar  2 22:26:32 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:26:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
In-Reply-To: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463>
References: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463>
Message-ID: <20090302172632.eog713jz4k0o4k4s@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi Kolby,
Congratulations! The titles of positions are different on my campus so  
what exactly are your duties? I've never worked on campus, but I do  
have experiences as a camp councillor for adults and kids and perhaps  
there may be some things I can recommend for you.
Good luck,
Sarah


Quoting Kolby Garrison <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com>:

> Hello Everyone,
> I have been hired for the position of a Resident Advisor for a Residence
> Hall on campus for the 2009-2010 academic year. I would like to know if any
> of you have ever been RAs during your collegiate career, and if so what were
> your experiences of serving in this particular capacity like? I have a
> wonderful support system and we are in the process of strategizing,
> accommodating, and modifying everything ahead of time in order for me to be
> ready to perform my job effectively and efficiently from day 1.
> Any input would be grately appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Kolby
>
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From yvgarcia at gmail.com  Mon Mar  2 22:33:53 2009
From: yvgarcia at gmail.com (Yolanda Garcia)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:33:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NEW DIVISION OF NABS!!!!!!
References: <758966.16063.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <014701c99b86$f91b5210$6401a8c0@yolanda>

Congratulations to the new Delaware Association of Blind Students division. 
We on the NABS board look forward to assisting you in strengthening your 
student division in every way possible. What an awesome fundraiser as well. 
Way to be proactive in getting students to Detroit for national convention.

Warmly,
Yolanda Garcia
NABS Board Member


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Catherine Newman" <catherine.1966 at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NEW DIVISION OF NABS!!!!!!


Delaware had their first ever NABS meeting last Wednesday. We have SIX in 
the division and are selling Honey Baked Ham products for Easter as a 
FUNDRAISER so we can join you in Detroit. We have gift certificates at $25, 
$40, and $50. You can use them at store near you.

Please help support us so we can join you! It would be greatly appreciated. 
Contact Liz Bottner or myself before March 27 for more details.

Thanks for your help in advance!
Catherine Newman



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From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Mon Mar  2 23:11:11 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:11:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
In-Reply-To: <20090302172632.eog713jz4k0o4k4s@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463>
	<20090302172632.eog713jz4k0o4k4s@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <2548D66C421E4BE1906BB90B461050DF@UNCGL3A8463>

Hello Sarah,
My duties would be to handle issues that come up in the residence hall such
as answering residents' questions, handling concerns, settling
disagreements, resolving problems, ETC. Any ideas that you have would be
appreciated. My biggest concern is that if a situation or situations come up
that require vision for me to handle them. I know that situations will come
up, but I would love to have strategies in place in advance.
Kolby



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Tue Mar  3 00:04:21 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:04:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
References: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463><20090302172632.eog713jz4k0o4k4s@webmail.utoronto.ca>
	<2548D66C421E4BE1906BB90B461050DF@UNCGL3A8463>
Message-ID: <007601c99b93$9b6cdaf0$0501a8c0@Serene>

Hi Kulby

Congrats on your being an RA!  I haven't ever been one, but, I guess, just 
use common sense.  I think the only thing that could require vision is if 
students get too drunk and start running around the dorm!  No, I'm not 
kidding.  Some people do that and wake up the whole dorm!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kolby Garrison" <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences


> Hello Sarah,
> My duties would be to handle issues that come up in the residence hall 
> such
> as answering residents' questions, handling concerns, settling
> disagreements, resolving problems, ETC. Any ideas that you have would be
> appreciated. My biggest concern is that if a situation or situations come 
> up
> that require vision for me to handle them. I know that situations will 
> come
> up, but I would love to have strategies in place in advance.
> Kolby
>
>
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Tue Mar  3 00:16:07 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 16:16:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hair
Message-ID: <20090303001547.RTIT25379.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

I'm not an expert on curling my hair.  What I do is:
1.  I take a lock with hair and hold the bottom of it.
2.  I then place the hot iron at least two inches above my hand 
that holds the lock of hair.
3.  I wind the lock of hair and gently pull it, so I will have 
control.
4.  I use my hand and guide my hair gently on to the iron as I 
wind it.

Hope these tips work.
Hannah

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 15:55:23 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] hair

>Hi.  Hannah, you mentioned that you both straighten and curl your
>hair.  Can you give any tips on using a curling iron
>independently?
>Hope and Beignet

>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 12:14:38 -0800
>>Subject: [nabs-l] hair

>>I've straightened and curled my hair before and it's actually
>>pretty easy.  When you get a straightening iron, you want to get
>>one that does not get hot on the outside.  When you straighten
>>your hair, you hold the part of the hair straightener that clamps
>>around your hair.  Hope this works.
>>Hannah

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca
>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:31:39 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] makeup

>>>This is a really good question.  I've been wondering the same
>>thing.  To
>>>add to that, has anyone tried to straighten their hair
>>independently?
>>>Thanks for your help,
>>>Sarah


>>>Quoting hannah <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net>:

>>>> Hey Nabsters,
>>>> Hope all is well.  This might have been mentioned before, it has
>>been
>>>> awhile.  I was just wondering how we put on makeup
>>independently? How
>>>> do we know if it's too much or too little? What kinds of
>>products are
>>>> better to use than others? I'm very interested in wearing
>>makeup, but I
>>>> usually have my friends do it for me or my mom.  Any suggestions
>>or
>>>> advice is greatly appreciated.
>>>> Cheers, Hannah

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From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  3 00:43:30 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:43:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones
Message-ID: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I honestly think there should be a requirement, by law, for all cell phones to have an accessibility menu that can be reached and set up by voice. Once activated, everything should talk including things like calendars and notepads in phone. I have a video on this if anyone is interested. The link will be below this message - a blank line will separate the message and the link. If you choose to watch it, I hope you enjoy the video. What are your thoughts on this? 

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxEZHrWlPYo



      

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 01:00:35 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:00:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I think that would be a wonderful idea! I would like to be able to do a lot 
more with my phone then I am capable of doing.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "NFB Student List" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones


>I honestly think there should be a requirement, by law, for all cell phones 
>to have an accessibility menu that can be reached and set up by voice. Once 
>activated, everything should talk including things like calendars and 
>notepads in phone. I have a video on this if anyone is interested. The link 
>will be below this message - a blank line will separate the message and the 
>link. If you choose to watch it, I hope you enjoy the video. What are your 
>thoughts on this?
>
> Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxEZHrWlPYo
>
>
>
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From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:38:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Webinar: Learn about the services from Recording for
	the Blind & Dyslexic
Message-ID: <49ac8a11.6105be0a.33dd.ffffe749@mx.google.com>

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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Tue Mar  3 01:55:34 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:55:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones
Message-ID: <20090303015514.SYZZ25379.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Yeah, I think that's a great idea and it's highly possible.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 20:00:35 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones

>I think that would be a wonderful idea! I would like to be able 
to do a lot
>more with my phone then I am capable of doing.
>Rania,
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Lambert" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com
>To: "NFB Student List" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 7:43 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones


>>I honestly think there should be a requirement, by law, for all 
cell phones
>>to have an accessibility menu that can be reached and set up by 
voice.  Once
>>activated, everything should talk including things like calendars 
and
>>notepads in phone.  I have a video on this if anyone is 
interested.  The link
>>will be below this message - a blank line will separate the 
message and the
>>link.  If you choose to watch it, I hope you enjoy the video.  
What are your
>>thoughts on this?

>> Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxEZHrWlPYo




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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 02:40:15 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:40:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones
In-Reply-To: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49ac9884.1ca97e0a.10e1.ffff956b@mx.google.com>

Ro

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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 02:41:18 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 21:41:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility menu in cell phones
In-Reply-To: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49ac98be.1ac1f10a.5fed.2884@mx.google.com>

Rob, 

That's an interesting idea. It would be nice if it could be done. Nice
video, too. 

Take care, 

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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Tue Mar  3 02:45:44 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:45:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
In-Reply-To: <007601c99b93$9b6cdaf0$0501a8c0@Serene>
References: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463><20090302172632.eog713jz4k0o4k4s@webmail.utoronto.ca>
	<2548D66C421E4BE1906BB90B461050DF@UNCGL3A8463>
	<007601c99b93$9b6cdaf0$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <20090302214544.n6n3cdnd44gocgco@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Wow I'm so silly - I'd heard of RA's before but didn't know that's  
what the accronym stood for. I know a few people who were RA's.  
They're sighted but can at least weigh in on things to expect. I'll  
see if they have any suggestions.
Sarah


Quoting Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>:

> Hi Kulby
>
> Congrats on your being an RA!  I haven't ever been one, but, I guess,
> just use common sense.  I think the only thing that could require
> vision is if students get too drunk and start running around the dorm!
> No, I'm not kidding.  Some people do that and wake up the whole dorm!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kolby Garrison"
> <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
>
>
>> Hello Sarah,
>> My duties would be to handle issues that come up in the residence hall such
>> as answering residents' questions, handling concerns, settling
>> disagreements, resolving problems, ETC. Any ideas that you have would be
>> appreciated. My biggest concern is that if a situation or situations come up
>> that require vision for me to handle them. I know that situations will come
>> up, but I would love to have strategies in place in advance.
>> Kolby
>>
>>
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From habnkid at aol.com  Tue Mar  3 06:03:08 2009
From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 22:03:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>


Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the 
Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in 
the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in 
a column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a 
series of  comments of the form:

You:  Tall glass.
Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
You: Erotic Dancer.
Me: Severely unimpressed.

The comment thought to be offensive was:

You: blind kid.
Me: Caught you not looking at me.

I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services 
office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should 
respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond 
like this:

You: Sighted kid.
Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.

Best,
Haben


From liamskitten at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 06:50:27 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:50:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903022250m3fba568dqc059e19afa633feb@mail.gmail.com>

Haben,

I, took, do not find this comment offensive, especially considering
the nature of ssome of the other comments and what they imply about
the purpose of the column.  Your way, using humor to downpklay your
disability is perfect.
Courtney

On 3/3/09, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in
> a column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 07:13:50 2009
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:13:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <63af025c0903022313g4fb71f93pbc89074017e5dd91@mail.gmail.com>

Lol, I don't find that offensive at all. I think it was a nice try at
good-natured... just not very well thought out. I mean, it didn't get as
much of a giggle out of me as the first two did. I like your response, and I
think it'll show them that blind people aren't super sensative people that
everyone has to tiptoe around because every little thing will offend us and
make us wish we could see. It'll show that we have a sense of humor too.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in the
> student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a
> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Tue Mar  3 07:50:41 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:50:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
Message-ID: <20090303075041.18092.5896@web2.serotek.com>

Hmmm. I'm trying to figure out what the underlying meaning of the 
entire message is. With all of the comments about the dancer, the 
beverage, and the blind kid, I'm trying to figure out what is said, and 
the best I can come up with is...

You: Think you're hot stuff.
Me: I think you're pathetic.

Maybe I'm wrong.

In any case, i would maybe ask what the underlying intent is. Other 
than my previous supposition, it seems like these comments are totally 
random and nonsensical juxtipositions meant to be poetic but are not. 
If you can figure out what the underlying meaning is, then you can 
decide whether or not to be offended. My response is...

You: The suave poet.
Me: Wishing I was in a different coffee shop.

Original message:

> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in
> a column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
> series of  comments of the form:

> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.

> The comment thought to be offensive was:

> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.

> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
> like this:

> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.

> Best,
> Haben

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From freedmas at stolaf.edu  Tue Mar  3 08:18:07 2009
From: freedmas at stolaf.edu (Sydney Walker Freedman)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 02:18:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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super funny!  It's something one of my friends or I would say.  :)

On 3/3/09, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Haben,
>
> I, took, do not find this comment offensive, especially considering
> the nature of ssome of the other comments and what they imply about
> the purpose of the column.  Your way, using humor to downpklay your
> disability is perfect.
> Courtney
>
> On 3/3/09, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
>> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
>> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in
>> a column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
>> series of  comments of the form:
>>
>> You:  Tall glass.
>> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
>> You: Erotic Dancer.
>> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>>
>> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>>
>> You: blind kid.
>> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>>
>> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
>> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
>> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
>> like this:
>>
>> You: Sighted kid.
>> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>>
>> Best,
>> Haben
>>
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From habnkid at aol.com  Tue Mar  3 08:20:32 2009
From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:20:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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Thanks, Jamie.

Jamie Principato wrote:
> Lol, I don't find that offensive at all. I think it was a nice try at
> good-natured... just not very well thought out. I mean, it didn't get as
> much of a giggle out of me as the first two did. I like your response, and I
> think it'll show them that blind people aren't super sensative people that
> everyone has to tiptoe around because every little thing will offend us and
> make us wish we could see. It'll show that we have a sense of humor too.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
>> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in the
>> student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a
>> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
>> series of  comments of the form:
>>
>> You:  Tall glass.
>> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
>> You: Erotic Dancer.
>> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>>
>> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>>
>> You: blind kid.
>> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>>
>> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
>> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
>> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
>> like this:
>>
>> You: Sighted kid.
>> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>>
>> Best,
>> Haben
>>
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From thisischris89 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 09:12:39 2009
From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christopher Kchao)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 04:12:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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I really don't think it even warrents a response. Honestly, it was meant to
be a cheap shot and nothing more. There really isn't any reason to respond
to it because all that does is try to legitimize/validate something that
took less than two seconds to think of and was done in good taste. I find
that a lot of blind people try to counter these things to get a laugh, and
all it really does is bring the original joke back to the surface where
people probably wouldn't have given it much thought otherwise. 
I personally didn't find it offensive. More to the point, I couldn't help
but laugh a bit because that's so true sometimes. How many times have you
talked to another blind person and they're almost facing the complete
opposite way? It's not that serious. *smiles*

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jamie Principato
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?

Lol, I don't find that offensive at all. I think it was a nice try at
good-natured... just not very well thought out. I mean, it didn't get as
much of a giggle out of me as the first two did. I like your response, and I
think it'll show them that blind people aren't super sensative people that
everyone has to tiptoe around because every little thing will offend us and
make us wish we could see. It'll show that we have a sense of humor too.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
the
> student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a
> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From freedmas at stolaf.edu  Tue Mar  3 09:26:21 2009
From: freedmas at stolaf.edu (Sydney Walker Freedman)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:26:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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I think it's just funny word-play.  A blind person being "caught" not
looking at someone isn't a blind person trying to be sneaky or "hot
stuff" and being thwarted.  The only example that has that connotation
is the dancer.

On 3/3/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
> Hmmm. I'm trying to figure out what the underlying meaning of the
> entire message is. With all of the comments about the dancer, the
> beverage, and the blind kid, I'm trying to figure out what is said, and
> the best I can come up with is...
>
> You: Think you're hot stuff.
> Me: I think you're pathetic.
>
> Maybe I'm wrong.
>
> In any case, i would maybe ask what the underlying intent is. Other
> than my previous supposition, it seems like these comments are totally
> random and nonsensical juxtipositions meant to be poetic but are not.
> If you can figure out what the underlying meaning is, then you can
> decide whether or not to be offended. My response is...
>
> You: The suave poet.
> Me: Wishing I was in a different coffee shop.
>
> Original message:
>
>> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
>> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
>> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in
>> a column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
>> series of  comments of the form:
>
>> You:  Tall glass.
>> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
>> You: Erotic Dancer.
>> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
>> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
>> You: blind kid.
>> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
>> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
>> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
>> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
>> like this:
>
>> You: Sighted kid.
>> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
>> Best,
>> Haben
>
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>
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> Jedi
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 09:36:07 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 01:36:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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Jedi wrote:
> You: The suave poet.
> Me: Wishing I was in a different coffee shop.

*laugh*  Oh, how many times...

Joseph



From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 11:17:05 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:17:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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I didn't find this affencive either.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:03 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?


>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the 
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in 
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a 
> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a 
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services 
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should 
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond 
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From jess28 at samobile.net  Tue Mar  3 12:40:22 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 07:40:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
Message-ID: <20090303124022.6750.46170@web3.serotek.com>

Haben,
I also don't find that offensive either. The people in the Disability 
Services Office just need to have grow a thicker skin.

-- 
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From len at gatamundo.com  Tue Mar  3 13:06:47 2009
From: len at gatamundo.com (Len Burns)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 05:06:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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I didn't find it worthy of more than about 30 seconds of my time.

-Len


From chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 13:36:04 2009
From: chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com (Chelsea Munoz)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:36:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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I found it kinda cute myself. As far as how the Office of Students With
Disabilities should respond, I say not at all.



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 15:50:30 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:50:30 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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Ditto what everyone else said. I also think if we respond to this,
people won't take us seriously when we respond to something that's
truly offensive, like the Blindness film. We had a hard enough time
being taken seriously in that case as it was.

Arielle

On 3/4/09, Chelsea Munoz <chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I found it kinda cute myself. As far as how the Office of Students With
> Disabilities should respond, I say not at all.
>
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From spangler.robert at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 15:53:08 2009
From: spangler.robert at gmail.com (Robert Spangler)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:53:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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I don't think they should do anything about it.  Laugh it off and move 
on.  If we continue to get angry over comments like this discrimination 
will never go away.  It's the same with racist comments; until we can 
all get over certain words and language, there will always be problems. 
  I always laugh whenever I hear something that is a joke against a 
particular group--even blind.  I might be in the minority on this one, 
however.  :P

Haben Girma wrote:
> 
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the 
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in 
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in 
> a column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a 
> series of  comments of the form:
> 
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
> 
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
> 
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
> 
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services 
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should 
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond 
> like this:
> 
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
> 
> Best,
> Haben
> 
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 15:58:14 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 09:58:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com><002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>	<49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com><009501c99bf1$96374d00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<49AD2B67.3080502@gatamundo.com>
Message-ID: <6E5AF48EB2DD4E1393664B1D655B59CF@Dezman>

I think the disability office should stick to academic stuf
 and let blind groups themselves such as the NFB decide what is offensive. 
College students aren't little fragile beings with self esteems that need 
always to be protected.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Len Burns" <len at gatamundo.com>
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?


>I didn't find it worthy of more than about 30 seconds of my time.
>
> -Len
>
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From spangler.robert at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 15:56:33 2009
From: spangler.robert at gmail.com (Robert Spangler)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:56:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
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Plus if they responded that would contradict the mission of a university 
which is freedom of expression.


Chelsea Munoz wrote:
> I found it kinda cute myself. As far as how the Office of Students With
> Disabilities should respond, I say not at all.
> 
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From len at gatamundo.com  Tue Mar  3 16:37:22 2009
From: len at gatamundo.com (Len Burns)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 08:37:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903030750j65beca79ve56e4ac72d993e9b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
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Agree, I think we gotta reserve responses for when it counts.  In the 
big picture, this is not even on the map.  You gotta save your fire for 
when it is really needed.

-Len

Arielle Silverman wrote:
> Ditto what everyone else said. I also think if we respond to this,
> people won't take us seriously when we respond to something that's
> truly offensive, like the Blindness film. We had a hard enough time
> being taken seriously in that case as it was.
> 
> Arielle
> 
> On 3/4/09, Chelsea Munoz <chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I found it kinda cute myself. As far as how the Office of Students With
>> Disabilities should respond, I say not at all.
>>
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 17:12:53 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:12:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>	<002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
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I don't think this is offensive, either, nor do I think it warrants a
response. 

Liz 

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  3 17:39:46 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:39:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>	<20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca><E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>
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Hello,
I have jaws 10.  I don't have Word 2007 yet.  You mentioned accessibility 
problems.  What is wrong with the later version of Word?  Are other 
microsoft products the same problem?  I may encounter Word 2007 at work or 
volunteering.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be me.
It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know everything.
I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.

Liz

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Mar  3 17:40:56 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:40:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>	<20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca><E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>
	<49ab56f4.e203be0a.6630.ffff82d7@mx.google.com>
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Liz,
What is the ribbon?  Is that in word?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be me.
It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know everything.
I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.

Liz

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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 18:34:35 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:34:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
In-Reply-To: <E93A87417EAB4ACA9BA691D1B6B00FDE@Ashley>
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>	<20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca><E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>	<49ab56f4.e203be0a.6630.ffff82d7@mx.google.com>
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Yes, it's what use to be known as the "menu bar". 

Liz 

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From brownbears at mchsi.com  Tue Mar  3 21:04:15 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 15:04:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <25EE6BD13D5E49EAB6C49B8E35CE2F7D@MIRANDA>

Hi,
 
I have just subscribed to the mailing list. I am the NFBI Southeast Chapter
president. I just completed an online Accounting certificate program, and I
am going to start taking more classes in a couple of weeks for my AA degree
in Business Administration. I look forward to hearing from all of you. 
 
Sincerely,
Miranda Morse(Brown)

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 21:33:44 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:33:44 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and Track Changes
Message-ID: <b6b933030903031333w16f183bat38a097df1ddc25d4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am using Track Changes with MS-Word 2003 and JAWS 8.0 for a research
project, and  I don't remember the commands for  moving from revision
to revision or comment to comment in an edited document. Does anyone
know what those keystrokes are?

Thanks!
Arielle


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 21:37:37 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:37:37 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: PDF to TXT 3.2 released
In-Reply-To: <auto-000087678391@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000087678391@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <b6b933030903031337u50b32142pe30082927008f896@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the PDF to TXT software will convert  scanned
(image) PDF's, or just PDF's created in Adobe directly?

I am asking this because, as many of us know, it is much more
difficult to read a scanned PDF than a directly generated one without
using Kurzweil, Open Book or other specialized software.

Arielle

On 3/1/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>
>>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:20:23 -0500 (EST)
>>From: Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net>
>
>
>
>>http://EmpowermentZone.com/p2tsetup.exe
>>
>>PDF to TXT
>>Version 3.2
>>February 28, 2009
>>
>>This version adds the ability to convert from PDF to HTML format via a new
>>checkbox called Extra HTML (which may be invoked with Alt+X).  If checked,
>>a .htm target file is produced in addition to the .txt one.  A different
>>conversion technique is used, originally posted at
>>http://EmpowermentZone.com/pdf2htm.zip
>>
>>This option may be worth trying if the .txt result is unsatisfactory.  It
>>may also be useful for webmasters who want to post AN HTML alternative to
>>a PDF.  The conversion translates visual aspects of the PDF such as fonts,
>>but not structural elements such as headings, unfortunately.
>>
>>Jamal
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Tue Mar  3 21:53:25 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:53:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <1E4601224DBB41EB98BA7C054AD05C83@consumer281f9d>
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Very true. I, too, don't think it warrants a response either. I don't  
think many people will even think twice about it unless you say  
something, and if you do there is a risk it will look worse on you.  
I'm not offended - it's all too true unfortunately.
Sarah



Quoting Christopher Kchao <thisischris89 at gmail.com>:

> I really don't think it even warrents a response. Honestly, it was meant to
> be a cheap shot and nothing more. There really isn't any reason to respond
> to it because all that does is try to legitimize/validate something that
> took less than two seconds to think of and was done in good taste. I find
> that a lot of blind people try to counter these things to get a laugh, and
> all it really does is bring the original joke back to the surface where
> people probably wouldn't have given it much thought otherwise.
> I personally didn't find it offensive. More to the point, I couldn't help
> but laugh a bit because that's so true sometimes. How many times have you
> talked to another blind person and they're almost facing the complete
> opposite way? It's not that serious. *smiles*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jamie Principato
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:14 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
>
> Lol, I don't find that offensive at all. I think it was a nice try at
> good-natured... just not very well thought out. I mean, it didn't get as
> much of a giggle out of me as the first two did. I like your response, and I
> think it'll show them that blind people aren't super sensative people that
> everyone has to tiptoe around because every little thing will offend us and
> make us wish we could see. It'll show that we have a sense of humor too.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
>> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
> the
>> student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a
>> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
>> series of  comments of the form:
>>
>> You:  Tall glass.
>> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
>> You: Erotic Dancer.
>> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>>
>> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>>
>> You: blind kid.
>> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>>
>> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
>> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
>> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
>> like this:
>>
>> You: Sighted kid.
>> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>>
>> Best,
>> Haben
>>
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Mar  3 22:47:27 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:47:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Larry Shepherd to Serve as National Ambassador for Braille
 Literacy
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



Larry Shepherd to Serve as
National Ambassador for Braille Literacy



Baltimore, Maryland (March 3, 2009): The National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB), the nation's leading advocate for Braille literacy, 
announced today that Larry Shepherd, executive director for the 
American Numismatic Association, will serve as a National Ambassador 
for Braille literacy.  As an ambassador, Shepherd will help advance 
the NFB's Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, a national initiative 
to promote the importance of reading and writing Braille for blind 
children and adults.  The Braille Readers are Leaders campaign kicked 
off in July of 2008 with the unveiling of the design of a 
commemorative coin to be released on March 26, 2009, in recognition 
of the two hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille 
(1809-1852), the inventor of the reading and writing code for the 
blind that bears his name.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "The National Federation of the Blind is pleased to have Mr. 
Shepherd as part of this historic initiative to bring Braille 
literacy to all of the blind children and adults in America who need 
it.  As the executive director of the American Numismatic 
Association, Mr. Shepherd will be an invaluable asset in reaching out 
to the large community of coin collectors to share his belief in 
Braille literacy.  There can be no doubt that the ability to read and 
write Braille competently and efficiently is the key to education, 
employment, and success for the blind.  Despite the undisputed value 
of Braille, however, only about 10 percent of blind children in the 
United States are currently learning it.  Society would never accept 
a 10 percent literacy rate among sighted children; it should not 
accept such an outrageously low literacy rate among the blind.  The 
Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, with the support of influential 
Americans like Mr. Shepherd, will reverse the downward trend in 
Braille literacy and ensure that equal opportunities in education and 
employment are available to all of the nation's blind."



Mr. Shepherd said: "I am honored and pleased to serve as a National 
Ambassador for the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign.  It is very 
exciting to be a part of a commemorative coin release that has the 
power to change lives, and I am eager to help the National Federation 
of the Blind in its mission to improve the lives of blind children 
and adults throughout the country through the power of Braille literacy."



For more information about the Braille Readers Are Leaders campaign 
and the Louis Braille commemorative coin, please visit 
<http://www.braille.org/>www.braille.org.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.





About the American Numismatic Association



The American Numismatic Association is a nonprofit organization 
dedicated to educating and encouraging people to study and collect 
money and related items. The ANA helps its 32,000 members and the 
public discover and explore the world of money through its vast array 
of programs including its education and outreach programs, museum, 
library, publications, conventions and seminars.  For more 
information, call 719-632-2646 or visit www.money.org.













From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Mar  3 22:58:49 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:58:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind President to Deliver
 Keynote Address at Notre Dame's Blindness Symposium
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



National Federation of the Blind President to
Deliver Keynote Address at Notre Dame's Blindness Symposium



Speech will Address Education and Civil Rights for All Americans



Baltimore, Maryland (March 3, 2009): Dr. Marc Maurer, President of 
the National Federation of the Blind, the oldest and largest 
organization of blind people in the United States, will give the 
keynote address at the Notre Dame Disability Studies Forum's 
blindness symposium.  The symposium will be held at the University of 
Notre Dame on March 6, 2009, from 9:00 a.m. to 5:45 p.m.  The Notre 
Dame Disability Studies Forum is hosting speakers from arts-based and 
technology-based disciplines to discuss the culture and technology 
surrounding blindness and low vision.  The symposium will also 
feature a technology fair running concurrently with the conference 
and highlighting products that blind people can use.



"I am honored to give the keynote address at this influential 
symposium conducted by my alma mater.  With the increasing use of 
electronic textbooks, Web-based instruction, and other technology in 
the classroom, it is critical that educators consider how all aspects 
of the educational system can be made accessible to all students 
including the blind.  Only 10 percent of all blind children are 
currently learning to read and write using Braille.  Our educational 
system is failing these students and this issue must be addressed 
immediately.  I appreciate the opportunity to speak on these crucial 
subjects to this prestigious gathering."



Attendees of the symposium will get to see firsthand a brand-new, 
highly affordable navigational aid called AdapTap that blind swimmers 
can use to keep their bearings in a swimming pool.  The National 
Federation of the Blind awarded the project a 2008 Dr. Jacob Bolotin 
Award for outstanding and innovative achievements in the blindness field.



Both the academic conference and the technology fair will be open at 
no charge to the general public. For more information about the 
symposium, please e-mail 
<mailto:BlindnessSymposium at gmail.com>BlindnessSymposium at gmail.com. 
For more information on the National Federation of the Blind, please 
visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.





###









About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 23:11:02 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:11:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: PDF to TXT 3.2 released
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903031337u50b32142pe30082927008f896@mail.gmail.com>
References: <auto-000087678391@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<b6b933030903031337u50b32142pe30082927008f896@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903031511l2e008fe7w99e3017eb8d62674@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

Speaking of reading image PDFs with Kurzweil, how would one do so?  I
vaguely remember this being discussed before, but haven't been
successful in finding a reference in the list archives.
Courtney

On 3/3/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if the PDF to TXT software will convert  scanned
> (image) PDF's, or just PDF's created in Adobe directly?
>
> I am asking this because, as many of us know, it is much more
> difficult to read a scanned PDF than a directly generated one without
> using Kurzweil, Open Book or other specialized software.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 3/1/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:20:23 -0500 (EST)
>>>From: Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>>http://EmpowermentZone.com/p2tsetup.exe
>>>
>>>PDF to TXT
>>>Version 3.2
>>>February 28, 2009
>>>
>>>This version adds the ability to convert from PDF to HTML format via a new
>>>checkbox called Extra HTML (which may be invoked with Alt+X).  If checked,
>>>a .htm target file is produced in addition to the .txt one.  A different
>>>conversion technique is used, originally posted at
>>>http://EmpowermentZone.com/pdf2htm.zip
>>>
>>>This option may be worth trying if the .txt result is unsatisfactory.  It
>>>may also be useful for webmasters who want to post AN HTML alternative to
>>>a PDF.  The conversion translates visual aspects of the PDF such as fonts,
>>>but not structural elements such as headings, unfortunately.
>>>
>>>Jamal
>>
>>
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 23:15:44 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:15:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and Track Changes
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903031333w16f183bat38a097df1ddc25d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030903031333w16f183bat38a097df1ddc25d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903031515u2bbaa261lefa4b7517e740ecc@mail.gmail.com>

Arielle,

Unfortunately, I don't have an answer to your question.  However, a
number of people have made reference to track changes lately, and I
was wondering what exactly it was?  Thanks for yyour help, and
appologies that this is not precisely related to what you were asking.
Courtney

On 3/3/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am using Track Changes with MS-Word 2003 and JAWS 8.0 for a research
> project, and  I don't remember the commands for  moving from revision
> to revision or comment to comment in an edited document. Does anyone
> know what those keystrokes are?
>
> Thanks!
> Arielle
>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  3 23:43:37 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:43:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
References: <25EE6BD13D5E49EAB6C49B8E35CE2F7D@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <002201c99c59$e1154620$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi welcome to the list. My name is Rania, I am currently applying to a few 
massage schools because the program ware I went didn't work out. Feel free 
to jump in. i look forward to reading your posts.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "Students" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:04 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction


> Hi,
>
> I have just subscribed to the mailing list. I am the NFBI Southeast 
> Chapter
> president. I just completed an online Accounting certificate program, and 
> I
> am going to start taking more classes in a couple of weeks for my AA 
> degree
> in Business Administration. I look forward to hearing from all of you.
>
> Sincerely,
> Miranda Morse(Brown)
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Mar  4 00:35:56 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:35:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com><002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c99c61$2f709d40$0501a8c0@Serene>

I think a big deal is being made out of nothing.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:03 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?


>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the 
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in 
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a 
> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a 
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services 
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should 
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond 
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 00:42:50 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:42:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: PDF to TXT 3.2 released
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20903031511l2e008fe7w99e3017eb8d62674@mail.gmail.com>
References: <auto-000087678391@mailfront1.g2host.com>	<b6b933030903031337u50b32142pe30082927008f896@mail.gmail.com>
	<7949e5e20903031511l2e008fe7w99e3017eb8d62674@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49adce87.47c2f10a.6210.7418@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

I think, if you open Kurzweil and then choose Open File and select the PDF,
that should do it. It'll recognize the images, and then start reading.
Depending on the PDF, this may or may not prove to give good results. 

Liz 

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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 01:01:36 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 17:01:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <20090303165325.rdb7jghn6s8s8sg0@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
	<63af025c0903022313g4fb71f93pbc89074017e5dd91@mail.gmail.com>
	<1E4601224DBB41EB98BA7C054AD05C83@consumer281f9d>
	<20090303165325.rdb7jghn6s8s8sg0@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20090304010136.GE35698@yumi.bluecherry.net>

The question I will pose is what exactly constitutes a response?  I 
would think a letter to the editor protesting it would be a response 
of the sort that is unnecessary.  What Haben has suggested for her 
own entry isn't really quite the same as the sort of response that 
seems to be discussed here.

Am I misinterpreting?

Joseph

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 04:53:25PM -0500, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca wrote:
> Very true. I, too, don't think it warrants a response either. I don't  
> think many people will even think twice about it unless you say  
> something, and if you do there is a risk it will look worse on you. I'm 
> not offended - it's all too true unfortunately.
> Sarah
>
>
>
> Quoting Christopher Kchao <thisischris89 at gmail.com>:
>
>> I really don't think it even warrents a response. Honestly, it was meant to
>> be a cheap shot and nothing more. There really isn't any reason to respond
>> to it because all that does is try to legitimize/validate something that
>> took less than two seconds to think of and was done in good taste. I find
>> that a lot of blind people try to counter these things to get a laugh, and
>> all it really does is bring the original joke back to the surface where
>> people probably wouldn't have given it much thought otherwise.
>> I personally didn't find it offensive. More to the point, I couldn't help
>> but laugh a bit because that's so true sometimes. How many times have you
>> talked to another blind person and they're almost facing the complete
>> opposite way? It's not that serious. *smiles*
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Jamie Principato
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 2:14 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
>>
>> Lol, I don't find that offensive at all. I think it was a nice try at
>> good-natured... just not very well thought out. I mean, it didn't get as
>> much of a giggle out of me as the first two did. I like your response, and I
>> think it'll show them that blind people aren't super sensative people that
>> everyone has to tiptoe around because every little thing will offend us and
>> make us wish we could see. It'll show that we have a sense of humor too.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
>>> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
>> the
>>> student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a
>>> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
>>> series of  comments of the form:
>>>
>>> You:  Tall glass.
>>> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
>>> You: Erotic Dancer.
>>> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>>>
>>> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>>>
>>> You: blind kid.
>>> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>>>
>>> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
>>> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
>>> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
>>> like this:
>>>
>>> You: Sighted kid.
>>> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Haben
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From brownbears at mchsi.com  Wed Mar  4 01:06:48 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 19:06:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and Track Changes
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903031333w16f183bat38a097df1ddc25d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030903031333w16f183bat38a097df1ddc25d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <192C023C0AFB49E699ABBF70AA676642@MIRANDA>



Hi Arielle, 

Here are keystrokes for working with comments:
turn jaws verbosity  on to detect comments
 control shift apostrophe list all comments
 alt shift apostrophe read current comment

I am not sure about the track changes command, I don't know of just one
keystroke. I know that you have to change the jaws verbosity on to detect
track changes and then you can arrow through and it will announce them. 

 Sincerely,

Miranda Morse
NFBI Southeast Chapter President

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:34 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and Track Changes

Hi all,

I am using Track Changes with MS-Word 2003 and JAWS 8.0 for a research
project, and  I don't remember the commands for  moving from revision to
revision or comment to comment in an edited document. Does anyone know what
those keystrokes are?

Thanks!
Arielle

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Mar  4 01:56:01 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:56:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [bana-announce] BANA Holds Open Forum in San Francisco
Message-ID: <auto-000091358895@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>
>PRESS RELEASE
>
>
>
>
>
>February 2009
>
>
>
><?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
>
>FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
>
>
>
>
>CONTACT: Judith Dixon, Chairperson
>
>Braille Authority of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />North America
>
>PHONE: 1-202-707-0722
>
>E-MAIL: <mailto:jdix at loc.gov>jdix at loc.gov
>
>
>
>
>BANA Sponsors Open Forum and Holds Spring Meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) will hold its spring 
>meeting in Burlingame, California, from March 15-17, 2009. This 
>meeting is being hosted by the California Transcribers and Educators 
>of the Visually Handicapped (CTEVH), a BANA member organization, and 
>overlaps with their annual conference.
>
>
>
>A centerpiece of the two and a half day meeting will be the Open 
>Forum, which BANA holds during each of its semiannual meetings.
>
>
>
>Saturday, March 14, 2009, 2:45-4:15 PM
>
>BANA Open Forum -- Tell it to BANA!
>
>
>
>Location:
>
>San Francisco Airport Marriott
>
>1800 Old Bayshore Hwy
>
>Burlingame, CA 94010
>
>650-692-9100
>
>
>
>Judith Dixon, BANA Chair, and the other members of the Braille 
>Authority of North America are extending an invitation to this forum 
>because we want to hear from braille readers (of all ages) and from 
>educators, transcribers, proofreaders, and parents regarding their 
>thoughts about braille. There will be plenty of opportunity for 
>participants to learn more about how BANA functions and about 
>current BANA projects. Don't miss this opportunity to ask questions 
>and voice your opinions on braille by attending this Open Forum. To 
>reserve your spot at the Forum and to help ensure accurate counts 
>for handouts, contact Sue Reilly at 619-725-5651 or e-mail 
>sreilly at sandi.net no later than Monday, March 9. If you are already 
>attending the CTEVH conference, select session 805 to attend the Forum.
>
>
>
>The spring meeting of the Braille Authority of North America will be 
>held at the San Francisco Airport Marriott hotel. BANA sessions 
>begin at 9:00 a.m. on Sunday, March 15, and end at 5:00 p.m. on 
>Tuesday, March 17th. A highlight of this meeting will be the 
>presentation of the first ever BANA Braille Excellence Award to Dr. 
>Abraham Nemeth; the award will be presented at the CTEVH brunch on 
>Sunday, March 15 at 10:00 a.m.
>
>
>
>Guests are welcome to attend the BANA meetings and observe the 
>deliberations. Space is limited, so to reserve a seat, please 
>contact BANA Chair Judith Dixon to register your desire to observe 
>any or all of the BANA sessions.
>
>
>
>The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America 
>are to assure literacy for tactile readers through the 
>standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes 
>and facilitates the use, teaching and production of braille. It 
>publishes rules, interprets and renders opinions pertaining to 
>braille in all existing codes. It deals with codes now in existence 
>or to be developed in the future, in collaboration with other 
>countries using English braille. In exercising its function and 
>authority, BANA considers the effects of its decisions on other 
>existing braille codes and formats; the ease of production by 
>various methods; and acceptability to readers.
>
>
>
>For additional resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org.



From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Mar  4 02:03:15 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:03:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: EdSharp 3.0 and FileDir 3.6 released
Message-ID: <auto-000091359440@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>EdSharp, an editor, and FileDir, a file manager, are free, open source
>applications that are feature-competitive with most commercial
>equivalents.  Unlike such alternatives, they incorporate screen reader
>usability as an integral part of their designs.  Below are the latest
>improvements, tested under Windows XP and Vista.
>
>Jamal
>
>  EdSharp 3.0
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe
>
>When saving text to a file, EdSharp now checks whether any character has a
>Unicode number greater than 255, which means that more than one byte is
>needed to represent it.  If so, the file is saved with a UTF-8 encoding,
>the most common form of Unicode for storing files on disk.  Otherwise, the
>default encoding of the computer is used, e.g., Latin 1.
>
>Several enhancements are designed to increase the efficiency of managing
>indentation with a screen reader.  The need is motivated by coding in the
>Python language.  Although a friendly language in other ways, its
>"significant white space requirement" is inherently challenging to
>nonvisual users.  Indentation is a recommended style in most programming
>languages, but in Python, it is required for the code to run.  Other
>languages, moreover, often have utilities for automatically reformatting
>code according to common conventions.  In Python, a change in indentation
>denotes the end of a code block rather than a keyword like EndIf, or a }
>symbol.  Thus, when reading normally by line with a screen reader, the
>structure of code is not indicated.  Instead, one often has to check the
>indentation to clarify logical understanding.
>
>The EdSharp commands to find a matching right brace, left brace, or to
>check brace balance have been reassigned from key combinations with the B
>key to ones with bracket keys:  Control+Shift+RightBracket,
>Control+Shift+LeftBracket, and Alt+Shift+RightBracket, respectively.  To
>eliminate key conflicts, the EdSharp installer includes a checkbox to
>remove previous settings, which is checked by default.
>
>You can now press Control+B to go to the next code block, or
>Control+Shift+B to go to the previous one.  A block is defined as lines
>with the same or greater indentation/nesting.  Control+I and
>Control+Shift+I have a similar purpose, but they move to the next or
>previous change in indentation, so they stop at nested blocks.  EdSharp
>skips blank or commented lines with these commands.
>
>Thus, Control+I will stop at a nested block, whereas Control+B will not,
>since it continues past lines with greater indentation.  For example, if
>the cursor is inside a loop block, then Control+I will go to the line at
>the closing of the loop where a lower level of indentation resumes.  In
>Ruby, this would be the line with the word "end".  In Python, it would be
>the first line of code following the loop, since the change in
>indentation, itself, indicates the end of the loop.
>
>The related query commands, Alt+B and Alt+I, help you understand code
>groupings without moving the cursor.  They are examples of a new EdSharp
>feature where a key can have an alternate action if pressed twice in a row
>without moving the cursor.  Alt+B says the rest of the current block,
>beginning at the current line.  When toggled with a second press, it says
>the whole block, including lines prior to the current one, if any.  Alt+I
>says the indentation level of the current line.  When toggled, it reads
>the text of the preceding line with less indentation, which is typically
>the statement that introduced the current block, e.g., an if, for, or
>while statement.  These commands are best learned by experimenting with
>familiar code.
>
>Use the Infer Indent command, Alt+RightBracket, to hear what indent unit
>the current document seems to be using.  EdSharp looks at the first line
>that starts with a space or tab character.  If this key is pressed again
>without moving the cursor, that sequence of space or tab characters is
>configured as EdSharp's IndentUnit setting.  This makes it easy to use the
>same indentation style as a file you have opened.
>
>Other keys with alternate actions spell a message when pressed a second
>time.  These include Say Open Windows (Shift+F4), Selected Text
>(Shift+Space), Chunk (Shift+Backspace), Path (Alt+P), and Clipboard
>(Alt+Apostrophe).
>----------
>
>FileDir 3.6
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/dirsetup.exe
>
>The unzip-related commands have been transformed into broader, unarchive
>commands that work with almost any archive format, including .rar, .tar,
>.gz, .bz2, .chm, .cab, and .wepm (a Window-Eyes script package that is the
>same format as .cab).  FileDir does this with the free 7Zip utility behind
>the scenes, which is also available independently at
>http://7zip.com
>
>Although any archive may be viewed or extracted, it is still the case that
>only a zip archive may be created or modified.
>
>The What command, invoked with a question mark, now says the number of
>items in an archive or subfolder before saying their names.  As before,
>the Output Text command, Shift+O, converts other file formats to text.  It
>now does this with an updated conversion tool (GetText.exe).
>
>Inquire Differences, Alt+Shift+I, is a new command for comparing files in
>two folders.  The current folder is considered the source.  You are
>prompted for a target folder.  FileDir generates a report in structured
>text format and prompts you for where to save it.  The default name is
>Report.txt in the current folder.  The report contains three sections:
>common target files, missing target files, and additional target files.
>The first section lists target file names that also exist in the source
>folder, and indicates whether each is newer, older, or current (a time
>stamp comparison), as well whether it is larger, smaller, or equal (a size
>comparison).  The second section lists file names that are missing in the
>target folder.  The third section lists additional file names found in the
>target folder.
>
>For maximum functionality of FileDir under Windows Vista, you may wish to
>configure it to "run as administrator."  One way of doing this is by
>modifying the FileDir shortcut on the desktop.  Press Alt+Enter to open
>its properties, choose the Advanced button, and mark the checkbox to
>require administrative priviledges.  Otherwise, for example, the ability
>to view or change files under the directory tree
>C:\Program Files
>will be considerably restricted.
>
>----------
>End of Document



From Maurice.Sloane at humanware.com  Wed Mar  4 02:08:19 2009
From: Maurice.Sloane at humanware.com (Maurice Sloane)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:08:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Changes to Humanware Web Site
Message-ID: <auto-000091359897@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The HumanWare web site is currently being updated and is currently not
able to be accessed by people using a BrailleNote.  This is being
investigated.



Regards



Maurice



________________



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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 02:33:57 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:33:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Chance To Advertise Your Company Or Site With The Djd
	Invasion
Message-ID: <95C819F0BF864CC58D67B42343942507@homeuser>

Hello To All!
Feel free to pass the following on to anyone you think would be interested:

Have you started your own personal web site, but can't seem to get the word out to too many people?
Do you have a company or business that you're anxious to promote?
If you answered yes to one or both of these questions, then The Djd Invasion site can help!
My web site, which is
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com
is the site of my own internet radio show The Djd Invasion, which will soon be part of an internet radio station I'll be starting called Radio 360.
Since this is a radio station that will always be on the air, and since the station will have a web site that will always be online, I figured I would give you the opportunity to promote your web site, service, or company. Here's how it works.

1. You submit a text ad to me by email at
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
with a brief description of what you're trying to advertise, and a web site, phone number, etC people can use to find out more about your product.
2. The cost for advertising space on thedjdinvasion.com, soon to be Radio360online.com is as follows:
For an individual, the cost is 10 dollars per month for a text ad
For an established company or business, the cost will be 25 dollars per month
And if you'd like an audio ad to be played as part of the auto dJ system, it will cost an additional 5 dollars per month. Each company/individual is allowed one audio ad, but you may change the ad as you see fit, and the new ad will replace your old one.
Text ads will rotate on each of the major site pages.

If you have questions, want a custom ad plan, or are interested, feel free to email me at
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
so I can make a list of those who are interested for when Radio360 launches, which will be soon.
Thanks and take care.
>From David
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Mar  4 03:16:01 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:16:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: PDF to TXT 3.2 released
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20903031511l2e008fe7w99e3017eb8d62674@mail.gmail.com>
References: <auto-000087678391@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<b6b933030903031337u50b32142pe30082927008f896@mail.gmail.com>
	<7949e5e20903031511l2e008fe7w99e3017eb8d62674@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090303221601.6v5zod6lusksscs4@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi Courtney,
If you have the image file as a pdf on your computer, open Kurzweil  
and then open the file. It will start "scanning and recognizing" as it  
would had you scanned the file manually. I'm not sure if it would work  
for jpg or other formats, but it might be worth trying.
Hope this helps,
Sarah

Quoting Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>:

> Hello all,
>
> Speaking of reading image PDFs with Kurzweil, how would one do so?  I
> vaguely remember this being discussed before, but haven't been
> successful in finding a reference in the list archives.
> Courtney
>
> On 3/3/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anyone know if the PDF to TXT software will convert  scanned
>> (image) PDF's, or just PDF's created in Adobe directly?
>>
>> I am asking this because, as many of us know, it is much more
>> difficult to read a scanned PDF than a directly generated one without
>> using Kurzweil, Open Book or other specialized software.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 3/1/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:20:23 -0500 (EST)
>>>> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/p2tsetup.exe
>>>>
>>>> PDF to TXT
>>>> Version 3.2
>>>> February 28, 2009
>>>>
>>>> This version adds the ability to convert from PDF to HTML format via a new
>>>> checkbox called Extra HTML (which may be invoked with Alt+X).  If checked,
>>>> a .htm target file is produced in addition to the .txt one.  A different
>>>> conversion technique is used, originally posted at
>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/pdf2htm.zip
>>>>
>>>> This option may be worth trying if the .txt result is unsatisfactory.  It
>>>> may also be useful for webmasters who want to post AN HTML alternative to
>>>> a PDF.  The conversion translates visual aspects of the PDF such as fonts,
>>>> but not structural elements such as headings, unfortunately.
>>>>
>>>> Jamal
>>>
>>>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Wed Mar  4 03:42:57 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:42:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <20090304034121.FJPB6596.hrndva-omta06.mail.rr.com@BrailleNote>

Hi there.  Welcome to the list.  My name is Hope Paulos and I'm 
currently studying to become a high school Spanishteacher.  I'll 
graduate in May with 2 degrees- Secondary Education with a 
concentration in Spanish and a modern languages degree- Spanish 
and German.  After graduating and student teaching I'll enroll 
ina masters program to become a teacher of the blind and visually 
impaired.  I'm 26 and have a guide dog, from Fidelco named 
Beignet.  I look forward to reading your posts.
Hope and Beignet

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 18:43:37 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introduction

>Hi welcome to the list.  My name is Rania, I am currently 
applying to a few
>massage schools because the program ware I went didn't work out.  
Feel free
>to jump in.  i look forward to reading your posts.
>Rania,
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com
>To: "Students" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:04 PM
>Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction


>> Hi,

>> I have just subscribed to the mailing list.  I am the NFBI 
Southeast
>> Chapter
>> president.  I just completed an online Accounting certificate 
program, and
>> I
>> am going to start taking more classes in a couple of weeks for 
my AA
>> degree
>> in Business Administration.  I look forward to hearing from all 
of you.

>> Sincerely,
>> Miranda Morse(Brown)
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From ccook01 at knology.net  Wed Mar  4 04:17:28 2009
From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:17:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
In-Reply-To: <49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com><002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B55547166C5145D287AC77D2052E66D0@TheCooksPC>

The proper response would be for the disability office to ignore it and move 
on.
Personally it was funny.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:03 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?


>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the 
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in 
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a 
> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a 
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services 
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should 
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond 
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Mar  4 04:35:34 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:35:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>	<20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca><E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891>	<49ab56f4.e203be0a.6630.ffff82d7@mx.google.com><E93A87417EAB4ACA9BA691D1B6B00FDE@Ashley>
	<49ad77cb.47c1f10a.3755.0fcd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00E9056C9E3240E2961709C9BCE7EA7D@D3ZCJ891>

But it has gone all wrong. I don't remember every detail, but it is supposed 
to be easy for sighted people to use.  There are a lot of controls grouped 
into one section, so navigation is a nightmare.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


Yes, it's what use to be known as the "menu bar".

Liz

email:
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Mar  4 04:36:38 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:36:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences
References: <39A3AECE44C34D20B5227EC6430ED79B@D3ZCJ891><003901c99a0c$f3fa1df0$0501a8c0@Serene><7547F5CE5E814BFCBF49E4CF22F729DC@D3ZCJ891><7949e5e20903010145r6ecffbcr2521021111d346f9@mail.gmail.com>	<20090301201307.kdsry3if40k8sg4c@webmail.utoronto.ca><E85DA73E782C4294A202693CDC014D21@D3ZCJ891><49ab56f4.e203be0a.6630.ffff82d7@mx.google.com>
	<F85C5E32CBD4477FB4E27D3668990336@Ashley>
Message-ID: <013DB7BBB2F941FE9CB94AE36045D508@D3ZCJ891>

As far as I know, any 2007 office program is a problem because they all have 
the ribbon tool bar.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


Hello,
I have jaws 10.  I don't have Word 2007 yet.  You mentioned accessibility
problems.  What is wrong with the later version of Word?  Are other
microsoft products the same problem?  I may encounter Word 2007 at work or
volunteering.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS Experiences


I actually don't find the ribbon too terrible, but then it could just be me.
It does take some getting used to, and admittedly, I don't know everything.
I'm using Jaws9, the latest update.

Liz

email:
liz.bottner at gmail.com
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Mar  4 04:46:28 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 20:46:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?
References: <926231.8218.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com><002301c99b9b$76c64030$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><49ACC81C.1050707@aol.com>
	<B55547166C5145D287AC77D2052E66D0@TheCooksPC>
Message-ID: <E79E4507F84948B2BF819E4F4E538708@D3ZCJ891>

I've been reading and thinking. In this particular context, that is, meant 
as a joke, it's fine. No, it's not in another context, and I'm not saying 
that it should be treated as if it was, but what if it was in another 
context?  If it was somewhere else, I would find it offensive.  The idea of 
looking at someone, particularly when they are talking to you, is something 
that sighted people expect and, in my opinion, a skill that people who are 
blind should try to acquire as part of fitting in socially.

On a brighter note...
This reminds me of a very funny "You're not looking at me story" that 
happened to me with, believe it or not, a gorilla. My family and I were 
visiting the San Diego zoo, and I was using one of those information devices 
that looks kind of like a wireless phone. Anyways, I had sat down on the 
ledge in front of the gorilla area with my back to the glass.  One of the 
not quite fully grown gorillas noticed that I was not looking at them.  It 
came up behind me and banged on the glass beside my head.  Of course, I did 
not know what was going on until my mom told me.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?


The proper response would be for the disability office to ignore it and move
on.
Personally it was funny.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 1:03 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Do you find this offensive?


>
> Hello, all. I'm a student at Lewis & Clark College. A member of the
> Disabled Student Services just contacted me to alert me of a comment in
> the student newspaper she thought might be offensive. The comment was in a
> column on the back of the paper titled "You Caught My Eye," which is a
> series of  comments of the form:
>
> You:  Tall glass.
> Me: wanting to fill you with alcohol.
> You: Erotic Dancer.
> Me: Severely unimpressed.
>
> The comment thought to be offensive was:
>
> You: blind kid.
> Me: Caught you not looking at me.
>
> I'm wondering what you all think of it. The Disabled Student Services
> office wants to respond to the comment. How do you think they should
> respond? I personally don't find the comment offensive and might respond
> like this:
>
> You: Sighted kid.
> Me: Writing secrets in dots you'll never understand.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Mar  4 05:26:15 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 05:26:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
In-Reply-To: <25EE6BD13D5E49EAB6C49B8E35CE2F7D@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <157631397.5123031236144375260.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

hello miranda,

welcome to the land of nabs. my name is amy sabo and i'm from colorado but, i'm originally from michigan. so, i'm also a midwest baby! i attend the university of colorado-denver where i have been pursuing my degree in communications with a minor in political science. but, i plan to transfer to metro state college in the fall because of academic issues.

please feel free to share ideas, ask questions, vent, listen, and most of all just have fun! we are all here for each other and this list is for you. just know that you aren't alone and that together we can change what it means to be a blind student in the world and the usa!

well, that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon!



hugs,
from amy

----- Original Message -----

From: Miranda brown 

To: Students 

Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction



Hi,



I have just subscribed to the mailing list. I am the NFBI Southeast Chapter

president. I just completed an online Accounting certificate program, and I

am going to start taking more classes in a couple of weeks for my AA degree

in Business Administration. I look forward to hearing from all of you. 



Sincerely,

Miranda Morse(Brown)

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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar  4 06:59:43 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 00:59:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Handy Tech Now Offers the Samsung NC10 Netbook
Message-ID: <4213B5D992B7458EBC9110373E2EBB07@davee984e49f02>

Hi all,

Handy Tech North America is pleased to have added the Samsun NC10 to our
offerings of netbook computers.  Although the NC10 has virtually the same
specifications as many other netbook computers on the market, the 7 plus
hours of continuous use battery life due to Samsungs own battery management
software places this little power house in a class all it's own.  

Window-Eyes users will be thrilled to know that the right hand mouse
navigation commands do work when holding down the FN key which is not the
case with some other netbook and as you would expect, the Serotek system
Access screen reader works great on the NC10 as well.

Handy Tech North America offers the Samsung NC 10 in Metallic blue or white
with the following specifications:

10.2 inch footprint, 1.6 GHZ Atom processor, 1 GB of RAM, 160 GB hard drive,
running windows XP home, 3 USB ports, Ethernet port built-in webcam a
microphone, 3 in one card reader, headphone and microphone jack Wifi and
Bluetooth. 

One of our most popular bundle packages is a netbook with System Access
screen reader Atom License and Neospeech for $699.00.  We install the Jarte
word processor which has basic formatting and spell checking features as
well as the Serotek RIM host in case you would like us to remote into your
computer for training or support purposes.  

Also, until March 31, 2009, purchase a Handy Tech Easy Braille portable 40
cell Braille display and receive a netbook computer for free.  This popular
portable computing solution combines the power of a full functioning Windows
computer with the durable and ergonomic design of a 40 cell Handy Tech
Braille display, easy to exchange triple A user replaceable batteries and
both Bluetooth and USB connectivity.

As always, don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North America should you
have any question regarding these promotions or any other adaptive
technology solution.  
Phone:  651-636-5184

E-mail:  sales at handytech.us



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  4 07:45:06 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 23:45:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Handy Tech Now Offers the Samsung NC10 Netbook
In-Reply-To: <4213B5D992B7458EBC9110373E2EBB07@davee984e49f02>
Message-ID: <315966.5053.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I think I saw that and I was rather impressed with the package options, I think this is fantastic. :) 

--- On Tue, 3/3/09, Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Dave Wright <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: [nabs-l] Handy Tech Now Offers the Samsung NC10 Netbook
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>, "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>, "NFBnet National Association to Promote the Use of Braille MailingList" <napub at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 10:59 PM

Hi all,

Handy Tech North America is pleased to have added the Samsun NC10 to our
offerings of netbook computers.  Although the NC10 has virtually the same
specifications as many other netbook computers on the market, the 7 plus
hours of continuous use battery life due to Samsungs own battery management
software places this little power house in a class all it's own.  

Window-Eyes users will be thrilled to know that the right hand mouse
navigation commands do work when holding down the FN key which is not the
case with some other netbook and as you would expect, the Serotek system
Access screen reader works great on the NC10 as well.

Handy Tech North America offers the Samsung NC 10 in Metallic blue or white
with the following specifications:

10.2 inch footprint, 1.6 GHZ Atom processor, 1 GB of RAM, 160 GB hard drive,
running windows XP home, 3 USB ports, Ethernet port built-in webcam a
microphone, 3 in one card reader, headphone and microphone jack Wifi and
Bluetooth. 

One of our most popular bundle packages is a netbook with System Access
screen reader Atom License and Neospeech for $699.00.  We install the Jarte
word processor which has basic formatting and spell checking features as
well as the Serotek RIM host in case you would like us to remote into your
computer for training or support purposes.  

Also, until March 31, 2009, purchase a Handy Tech Easy Braille portable 40
cell Braille display and receive a netbook computer for free.  This popular
portable computing solution combines the power of a full functioning Windows
computer with the durable and ergonomic design of a 40 cell Handy Tech
Braille display, easy to exchange triple A user replaceable batteries and
both Bluetooth and USB connectivity.

As always, don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North America should you
have any question regarding these promotions or any other adaptive
technology solution.  
Phone:  651-636-5184

E-mail:  sales at handytech.us



Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com
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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 13:06:25 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:06:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Congratualtions to Joe O
Message-ID: <49ae7cd8.c6c1f10a.3f2c.3712@mx.google.com>

Hey Joe Orozco,

I did not seem to have your personal email, but wanted to congratulate you
on medaling in your division in judo! You are featured in an e-newsletter of
the USABA.

Now that you can wrestle with your body as well as words you are really
formidable-smile. Congratulations on a fine accomplishment!

 

Best,

Carrie Gilmer, President

National Organization of Parents of Blind Children

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

NFB National Center: 410-659-9314

Home Phone: 763-784-8590

carrie.gilmer at gmail.com

www.nfb.org/nopbc

 


From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 13:49:45 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:49:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF files
Message-ID: <000601c99cd0$159dbf00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi I have adoby on my computer. The problem I am having is I can't open a PDF file I downloaded. Isn't adoby's job to audomaticly come up when you click on the document to open?
Thanks for your help.
Rania,

From cassonw at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 16:06:03 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 08:06:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF files
In-Reply-To: <000601c99cd0$159dbf00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <000601c99cd0$159dbf00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0903040806qbe7fa68mce158545ff96e974@mail.gmail.com>

If you have adobe installed on your computer, first i would right -click the
pdf file and select open with.  If windows recognizes the file type you
should get a drop down list of options one of which should be adobe.  If
adobe is not listed or windows does not recognize the file, select choose
program and scoll through the list until you find adobe.  If it is not here
let me know and i can step you through finding the program itself.  Hope
this helps,
Bill

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi I have adoby on my computer. The problem I am having is I can't open a
> PDF file I downloaded. Isn't adoby's job to audomaticly come up when you
> click on the document to open?
> Thanks for your help.
> Rania,
> _______________________________________________
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From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  4 16:57:05 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:57:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: This may come in handy one day.
In-Reply-To: <004901c99c5e$f55495f0$dffdc1d0$@net>
References: <004901c99c5e$f55495f0$dffdc1d0$@net>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W19F64A38B4FC2C7028333CDFA70@phx.gbl>


I didn't know some of these things, but it's great advice, and it's free. Save this. You never know. Oh, and pass it on.
 




 
 
 




> Subject: Attorney Advise- Important 
> 
>  Feb. 21, 2009
> 
> Subject: Attorney's advice for 2009 This is not a joke
> please read!!!
> 
>     Read This,   Print This,    Save This........
> 
>     Might Save your home, etc..........
> 
> ATTORNEY's ADVICE - NO CHARGE 
> 
>    Not A Joke!! If you dislike attorneys...... You will love
> them for 
> these tips. 
> 
>    Read this and make a copy for your files in case you
> need to refer to
> it someday.  Maybe we should all take some of his advice!  
> 
> 
> A corporate attorney sent the following out to the employees in his
> company. 
> 
>     1.   Do not sign the back of your credit cards. Instead, put 'PHOTO
> ID REQUIRED.'   
> 
>     2.   When you are writing checks to pay on your credit
> card accounts, DO NOT put the complete account number on the
> 'For' line.
> Instead, just put the last four numbers. The credit card company knows
> the rest of the number, and anyone who might be handling
> your check as  it passes through all the check processing channels
> won't have access to it. 
> 
>     3.   Put your work phone # on your checks instead of your home 
> phone. If you have a PO Box use that instead of your home  address. If
> you do not have a PO Box, use your work address.  Never  have your SS#
> printed on your checks. (DUH!) You can add it if it is  necessary.
> But if you have It printed, anyone can get it. 
> 
>    4..   Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy
> machine.  Do both sides of each license,  credit card, etc. You will
> know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone
> numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe place. 
> 
> 
>    I also carry a photocopy of my passport when I travel
> either here or  abroad. We've all heard horror stories about fraud
> that's committed on us in stealing a Name, address, Social Security number,
> credit cards. 
> 
>         Unfortunately,  I,  an attorney, have firsthand knowledge
> because my wallet was stolen last month. Within a week, the
> thieve(S) ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied
> for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway
> computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record
> information online, and more. 
> 

>    But here's some critical information to limit the
> damage in case this happens to you or someone you know: 
> 
>    5.   We have been told we should cancel our credit cards
> immediately.
> But the key is having the toll free numbers and your card
> numbers handy so you know whom to call.  Keep those where you can find 
> them. 
> 
>    6.   File a police report immediately in the
> jurisdiction where your credit cards, etc., were stolen. This proves to credit
> providers you were diligent, and this is a first step toward an
> investigation (if there ever is one). 
> 
>         But here's what is perhaps most important of all: 
> (I  never even thought to do this..) 
> 
>    7.   Call the 3 national credit reporting organizations
> immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and also call the
> Social Security fraud line number.  I had never heard of doing that until advised by a
> bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the internet in my name. 
> 
>    The alert means any company that checks your credit
> knows your information was stolen, and they have to contact you by
> phone to authorize new credit. 
> 
>         By the time I was advised to do this, almost two
> weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of
> all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of
> which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage
> has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend
> (someone turned it in).  It seems to have stopped them dead in their tracks. 
> 
>         Now, here are the numbers you always need to contact about your
> wallet, if it has been stolen: 
> 
>                  1.) Equifax<http://www.equifax.com/> :1-800-525-6285 
> 
>                   2.) Experian<http://www.experian.com/>  (formerly
> TRW): 1-888-397 -3742  
> 
>                  3.) Trans Union :       1 -800-680 7289 
> 
>                 4.) Social Security Administration (fraud line):
> 1-800-269-0271 
> 
>         We pass along jokes on the Internet; we pass along
> just about everything.. 
> 
>         If you are willing to pass this information along,
> it could really help someone that you care about.
> 
> ________________________________
 
_________________________________________________________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  4 17:15:26 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 12:15:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] PDF files
References: <000601c99cd0$159dbf00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<26d2dfeb0903040806qbe7fa68mce158545ff96e974@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c99cec$d0bc8340$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

It is giving me an option to find it online and gives me to websites. I 
thaught I had it installed but all I am finding is the flash player.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill" <cassonw at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] PDF files


> If you have adobe installed on your computer, first i would right -click 
> the
> pdf file and select open with.  If windows recognizes the file type you
> should get a drop down list of options one of which should be adobe.  If
> adobe is not listed or windows does not recognize the file, select choose
> program and scoll through the list until you find adobe.  If it is not 
> here
> let me know and i can step you through finding the program itself.  Hope
> this helps,
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi I have adoby on my computer. The problem I am having is I can't open a
>> PDF file I downloaded. Isn't adoby's job to audomaticly come up when you
>> click on the document to open?
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Rania,
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From jj at bestmidi.com  Wed Mar  4 20:56:55 2009
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 15:56:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Save $100 on Mobile Geo 1.5 from the A T Guys
Message-ID: <3C8E325762034D39BE2EC9463989C720@jsquared>

Code Factory has just released version 1.5 of their popular Mobile Geo GPS software for smartphones and Pocket PC phones. Included in the latest version is support for Microsoft Voice Command, allowing you to control many features of your GPS device using your voice. Also included is updated points of interest for millions of businesses, a pedometer, and an improved search feature. This version includes maps compatible with Sendero GPS for the BrailleNote family of products.


A T Guys is celebrating this new release with a $100 discount. Through March 15, get Mobile Geo for $795, a $100 savings. Note that Mobile Speak Smartphone or Mobile Speak Pocket is required to use Mobile Geo. If you need software to make your phone talk, A T Guys has that for you as well.

To get all of the details, or download a 30-day trial, visit
http://www.ATGuys.com

You can also call 269-216-7467 for more information.

Happy exploring.


J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
A premier licensed Code Factory distributor

From ginsenshi at mchsi.com  Wed Mar  4 22:43:44 2009
From: ginsenshi at mchsi.com (Sean Moore)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:43:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] PAC Mate BX for sale
In-Reply-To: <mailman.164.1236189612.3652.blindtlk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.164.1236189612.3652.blindtlk_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <2548F928933A4D9D8DB47BB0ACED72DF@SeanMoorePC>

FOR SALE

PAC Mate Omni BX with 40 cell braille display

Comes with FS carrying case, power cord, and quick start in braille/print, 
and quick start CDs.

Asking $1050 for PAC Mate
Asking $400 for 40 cell display, or best offer.


Or well trade for VoiceNote MPower QX


Call Sean Moore at

Mobile- (478) 258-4103 (after 9EST or Verizon users)

Home-  (404) 300-9908

Yours,
Sean Moore &
Southeastern Guide Dog, Franklin

Contact information
Home: (404) 300-9908
Mobile: (478) 258-4103

Email: linkstarwind at cox.net, ginsenshi at mchsi.com
Website: http://www.baltox1.bravehost.com

Instant Messaging
AIM: BaltoX1
Yahoo: Ginsenshi2001
MSN: Linkstarwind at cox.net
Skype: Ginsenshi
 



From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Mar  4 22:47:43 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:47:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A Chance To Advertise Your Company Or Site With The
 Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <183863066.5451291236206863954.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

hello all,

well, the reality of finally having radio 360 is going to happen! but, to make this happen we need advertisement to make this happen. so, if you know of anyone who has a business or something than please read on for this information. also, please forward this onto all of your friends, family, and associates if they also wish to contribute to this adventure.

if you have any questions please contact me or david at the email provided in this message. take care and thanks for your assistance on this!



sincerely yours,
from amy

----- Forwarded Message -----



From: David Dunphy 



To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;



Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 02:33:57 +0000 (UTC)



Subject: A Chance To Advertise Your Company Or Site With The Djd Invasion





































Hello To All!





Feel free to pass the following on to anyone you 



think would be interested:











Have you started your own personal web site, but 



can't seem to get the word out to too many people?





Do you have a company or business that you're 



anxious to promote?





If you answered yes to one or both of these 



questions, then The Djd Invasion site can help!





My web site, which is





http://www.thedjdinvasion.com





is the site of my own internet radio show The Djd 



Invasion, which will soon be part of an internet radio station I'll be starting 



called Radio 360.





Since this is a radio station that will always be 



on the air, and since the station will have a web site that will always be 



online, I figured I would give you the opportunity to promote your web site, 



service, or company. Here's how it works.











1. You submit a text ad to me by email 



at





djdrocks4ever at gmail.com





with a brief description of what you're trying to 



advertise, and a web site, phone number, etC people can use to find out more 



about your product.





2. The cost for advertising space on 



thedjdinvasion.com, soon to be Radio360online.com is as follows:





For an individual, the cost is 10 dollars per month 



for a text ad





For an established company or business, the cost 



will be 25 dollars per month





And if you'd like an audio ad to be played as part 



of the auto dJ system, it will cost an additional 5 dollars per month. Each 



company/individual is allowed one audio ad, but you may change the ad as you see 



fit, and the new ad will replace your old one.





Text ads will rotate on each of the major site 



pages.











If you have questions, want a custom ad plan, or 



are interested, feel free to email me at





djdrocks4ever at gmail.com





so I can make a list of those who are interested 



for when Radio360 launches, which will be soon.





Thanks and take care.





>From David





http://www.thedjdinvasion.com





From brsmith24 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  4 22:57:03 2009
From: brsmith24 at hotmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 17:57:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate
Message-ID: <SNT101-W48C05CAC8AC84BE8ABD522B2A70@phx.gbl>


At Washington Seminar, I thought someone had mentioned a new edition of the Nabs Newsletter would be coming out the week after the seminar. At last check, the Nabs website doesn't seem to have an updated newsletter, though I might have missed something.

 

At any rate, does anybody have any new information?

 

Brice

_________________________________________________________________
Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet.
http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009

From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Mar  4 22:59:32 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 22:59:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Update On The Djd Invasion Web Site
Message-ID: <934827087.5456531236207572643.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

hello all,

here is some more information about the djd invasion and a way on how you can contribute to help it out! thanks as always, and i will talk to you all soon!


hugs,
from amy

----- Forwarded Message -----



From: David Dunphy 



To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;



Sent: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 01:44:23 +0000 (UTC)



Subject: Update On The Djd Invasion Web Site





































Hello To All!





I wanted to write in to give you an update on the 



web site and a sneak peak at what's coming:





1. The Djd Invasion is now taking donations to help 



cover site costs. While it's not required, any donations to the site will result 



in your name being put on a soon to be put up acknowledgements page, a 



guaranteed membership to the loyal listeners club, and an over all improved 



listening experience for all of you. Plus I'm happy to report that by next week 



some time, I believe we will have a time table as to when my internet dream of 



hosting my own online radio station, Radio360, will be ready to 



launch.











2. Regarding the Djd Invasion audio player, in 



addition to the stand alone player you had to use for Sunday's show, there is 



now a full version that can be installed onto your desktop. This is nice, since 



it no longer requires you to remember where you saved the executable file for 



the player, since you can put a shortcut to it in your quick launch bar, your 



desktop, or your programs menu.





Here's a link to download the installer. You can 



also find links to this on the listen page during live shows and on the 



downloads page:





http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/playersetup.exe











3. Here's a sneak peak into the next announcement 



to be hitting your inboxes:











Imagine an online jukebox where songs are always 



being added by me and you the listeners





Imagine a system smart enough to play station ids 



after two or three songs so you always know what station is on. Keep in mind 



this system can do this without being programmed to do so





Imagine a system where you can submit your 



requests, but to keep the station compliant with broadcast licensing terms, the 



bot will remove requests for artists that were just played before the request 



was put in





Yet, when a request is played, an announcement will 



be made to tell you a request is coming...











All this plus scheduled automated programming, 



scheduled artist spotlights, and more....





Details about this online jukebox, which will soon 



become the auto dj system for Radio 360 are coming soon, so stay 



tuned!!!





Best regards,





David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd 



Invasion





http://www.thedjdinvasion.com





From brsmith24 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  5 00:35:09 2009
From: brsmith24 at hotmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 19:35:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
In-Reply-To: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463>
References: <48BAE60DF549447C8C6F786F1C7A9D63@UNCGL3A8463>
Message-ID: <SNT101-W8174F27B832858CF1C04BCB2A40@phx.gbl>


At North Carolina State, Resident Advisors play a fairly significant role in dorm life. The policies and experiences at each school are obviously going to be slightly different, but here is what I know:

Paperwork. You’re going to have a lot of paperwork. RAs are responsible for handing out forms, mediating roommate contracts, posting notices on individual rooms and on hall boards. Active RAs are always putting up fliers for events or posting those annoying sign-out sheets on all resident doors that need to be signed before any hall break. Along with this, RAs do thorough sweep throughs of each room to check and make sure students follow housing guidelines before sign-out. Here, each RA is fully responsible for their own floor, and the RA director overlooks the entire process. Resident Advisors are always the last people to leave the building during any break, and are always the first to arrive back.
 
Lock in. In my hall, there are twelve floors and twelve RAs – one for each floor. Each week RAs are selected for duty or lock-in, where they’ll stay in the lounges and generally watch over the building. It’s not so much a demanding role as it is a time-consuming one. You can play games, watch TV, do homework or just chill – but you can’t leave the building during your time period. The only time this might really be an inconvenience is during a weekend when you’re scheduled for duty and you want to attend some type of event.
 
Events. RAs here are always planning and organizing hall events. This one will probably vary significantly from building to building and campus to campus, but RAs are constantly organizing social events, midnight pancake breakfasts, dessert nights, and a number of other events.
 
Free housing. Here, RAs get housing paid for by the university and gain access to a private room. 
 
I know RAs that are very active and some that just sign up for the free housing and attend the minimum number of events and activities possible. In general, though, most RAs tell me it’s a fun but time-consuming job.
 
There was a blind student at a university who wanted to become an RA and was denied the position. The events were detailed in one of the NFB’s publications – whether Future Reflections, the Braille Monitor, or the Student Slate I’m not sure. I tried to find the article and had no success; but I did pull up some previous chatter on this list about resident advisors from the March 2003 archives. The issue appears to have been discussed at some length before and I’m surprised few people have commented on this one. Anyway, you should be proud of the opportunity to become an RA and make the best of the experience. At any rate, we’re behind you.
 
Brice
 
> From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Resident Advisor Experiences
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> I have been hired for the position of a Resident Advisor for a Residence
> Hall on campus for the 2009-2010 academic year. I would like to know if any
> of you have ever been RAs during your collegiate career, and if so what were
> your experiences of serving in this particular capacity like? I have a
> wonderful support system and we are in the process of strategizing,
> accommodating, and modifying everything ahead of time in order for me to be
> ready to perform my job effectively and efficiently from day 1.
> Any input would be grately appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Kolby
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Mar  5 02:12:34 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:12:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Mobile Geo V1.5 can be controlled by voice!
Message-ID: <auto-000091558204@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Caroline Ragot - Marketing Director
><mailto:marketing at codefactory.es>marketing at codefactory.es
>
>Mobile Geo V1.5
>
>
>Mobile Geo can now be controlled by voice: V1.5 
>is available as a free update for V1.0 users
>
>
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>Support for Microsoft Voice Command, 
>implementation of a pedometer, significant 
>improvement in POI functionality, and updated maps and POIs
>
>
>
>
>
>Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, March 4, 2008
>
>
>
>Code Factory and Sendero Group are happy to 
>announce the release of Mobile Geo version 1.5. 
>This is a free update for users of version 1, 
>which was released just last September. In the 
>tradition of Sendero and Code Factory product 
>development, the feedback from Geo users has 
>been quickly incorporated into version 1.5 to 
>include support for Microsoft Voice Command, new 
>setting to define the maximum speed to announce 
>approaching intersections, pedometer function to 
>keep track of the traveled distance, new map and 
>POI data, and many new ways to work with those 
>points of interest. It makes most sense to hear 
>about the points of interest in your direction 
>of travel, something unique to Mobile Geo and the latest Sendero GPS products.
>
>The portability and convenience of GPS in your 
>Windows Mobile device is unparalleled, 
>especially given the latest Geo features. Also 
>unique to Geo are the vibration alerts. The 
>automatic lookaround capabilities of Geo far 
>outstrip other GPS phones, not to mention the 
>Explore mode of Mobile Geo based on 9 years of 
>Sendero GPS and talking map development.
>
>If you don't already have a Windows Mobile 
>phone, it is well worth obtaining one in order 
>to have the many benefits of Code Factory's Mobile Geo accessible GPS.
>
>For a comprehensive list of changes from version 
>1 to version 1.5, go to 
><http://www.codefactory.es/additional_docs/en/MG/MG_changes_V1.0toV1.5.html>http://www.codefactory.es/additional_docs/en/MG/MG_changes_V1.0toV1.5.html. 
>
>
>To obtain a 30-day trial version of Geo for any 
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>If you are an existing user, we encourage you to 
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>visit 
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>More links of interest:
>    * We invite you to listen to an audio review 
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>Sendero Group – the GPS company – is the 
>Developer of the first accessible GPS and 
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>Sendero" software provide access to detailed 
>street and business location information. The 
>blind traveler can now be a co-pilot, not just a 
>passive passenger in a car. He or she can keep 
>the taxi driver honest, enjoy hearing about the 
>sites and businesses being passed and know 
>independently when to get off the bus. Students 
>can also chart custom routes across campus or 
>hikers can do the same in the woods.
>
>Sendero staff, most of whom are visually 
>impaired, know from personal and professional 
>experience that orientation and mobility skills 
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>Sendero is first and foremost "the GPS company" 
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 06:59:40 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:59:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Change In Plans Regarding The Purchase Of Ad Space On
	The Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <55FFBEB05E2A4880B28665753C1493B1@homeuser>

Hello To All!
After some feedback I received, I decided to make some adjustments to the price of ad space on my site thedjdinvasion.com to be the following:
For an individual who wants to promote his or her web site, the cost for a text ad is 10 dollars per month. You can pay monthly, or an amount for more than that. So if you want three months, you can send in 30 dollars. Once you've made your payment, your ad will be part of the ad rotation from the day of purchase for a month.
For companies or businesses, I've decided to bring the price down from 25 dollars to 15 dollars based on feedback. That's only five bucks more if you're an established company/business. Same rules about paying for more than one month for you as stated for individuals above.
I'm still willing to be flexible if you want a custom plan/idea, so feel free to contact me at
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
so we can talk.
Warmest regards,
David
*****
If you're looking for an internet radio show that features talk, comedy, all types of music, your requests, music from the forties all the way to the present, and more, then join me on Sunday nights from 7 to 10 PM eastern for The Djd Invasion on ACB Radio Interactive.
For more information on the program, visit the home of The Djd Invasion internet radio show on the web at
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com
Check it out, you won't be disappointed!!!

From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  5 10:20:49 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 02:20:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] A link to something that may be interesting to some
Message-ID: <720516.64022.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

This link has to do with someone who had an experimental surgery using a bionic eye, who was totally blind, and who can now see. Personally the technology scares me only because I saw a video on YouTube that notes it's still experimental, and in my opinion, dangerous. Here's the link for anyone who is interested. http://geeks.pirillo.com/profiles/blogs/blind-man-is-able-to-see



      

From info at michaelhingson.com  Thu Mar  5 17:52:09 2009
From: info at michaelhingson.com (Michael Hingson)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:52:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Mobile to be demonstrated on Tek Talk Training
 this Saturday, March 7, 2009
Message-ID: <auto-000091669374@mailfront2.g2host.com>

KNFB Reader Mobile to be demonstrated on Tek Talk Training this 
Saturday, March 7, 2009

   Tek Talk Training special time Saturday March 7, 2009

This Saturday Michael Hingson, Director of National KnfbReader Mobile 
Sales for the National Federation of the Blind will demonstrate the 
exciting KnfbReader Mobile Reader product line for the blind and 
learning disabled - featuring the first cell phone that reads and 
translates print into voice.

The knfb Reader Mobile is a major advancement in print access for the
   Blind.  The software, delivered on a multifunction cell phone, 
allows the user
   To snap pictures of any printed material and have it read aloud immediately.
   The first of its kind, the pocket-sized device allows individuals to
   Have print analyzed and read aloud in real time and in real life situations.

   The latest version is now able to read in a variety of languages
   Including French, German, Dutch, Belgian Dutch, Italian, and Castilian.
   Additionally, the software is able to translate between languages, 
displaying and reading aloud translated text.

   Contact: Michael Hingson
   Email:  <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
   888-965-9191

   Date:  Saturday March 7, 2009.

   Time:  10:00 a.m. and 1:00 P.M Pacific, 11:00 a.m. and 2:00 P.M. 
Mountain, 12:00 p.m. and 3:00 P.M. Central, 1:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. 
Eastern and elsewhere in the world 18:00 and 21:00 GMT.

   Where:  Tek Talk Conference Room at:

   <http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2>http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2


   Or, alternatively,

   <http://www.accessibleworld.org>http://www.accessibleworld.org 
names on the sign-in screen.

   We will record at least one of the events and put it on Michael 
Hingson's web site 
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com 
so if you are unable to participate live at the above times then you 
may download the presentation or podcast from the website listed above.
   All online interactive programs require no password, are free of
   Charge, and open to anyone worldwide having an Internet connection, a
   Computer, speakers, and a sound card. Those with microphones can
   interact audibly with the presenters and others in the virtual
   audience.

   If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online
   conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program that
   you need to download and then run. A link to the software is available
   on every entry screen to the Accessible World online rooms.

   Sign up information for all Accessible World News Wires and discussion
   lists are also available at the Accessible World website:
   <http://www.accessibleworld.org>http://www.accessibleworld.org

   Media Contacts for Accessible World:
   Robert Acosta, Chair, Planning Committee
   818-998-0044
   Email: <mailto:boacosta at pacbell.net>boacosta at pacbell.net
   <<http://us.mc836.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boacosta at pacbell.net>http://us.mc836.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=boacosta at pacbell.net 

   Web: 
<http://www.helpinghands4theblind.com>http://www.helpinghands4theblind.com

   George Buys
   CEO. Talking Communities
   Email: <mailto:buys at talkingcommunities.com>buys at talkingcommunities.com
   <<mailto:buys at talkingcommunities.com>mailto:buys at talkingcommunities.com

   We wish to thank the Accessible world for permitting us to use its 
conference room for these demonstrations of the KnfbReader 
Mobile.  The Accessible World, a division of Vision Worldwide, Inc. a 
501(c) (3)
   not-for-profit organization, seeks to educate the general public, the
   disabled community and the professionals who serve them by providing
   highly relevant information about new products, services, and training
   opportunities designed specifically to eliminate geographic and access
   barriers that adversely affect them.





The Michael Hingson Group
      "Speaking with Vision"
                  Michael Hingson, President
                          (415) 827-4084
                    <mailto:info at michaelhingson.com>info at michaelhingson.com
                    www.michaelhingson.com


for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
<http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/>
http://michaelhingson.com/images/knfbReader-michael_hingson.jpg




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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 22:04:03 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:04:03 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: PDF to TXT 3.2 released
In-Reply-To: <20090303221601.6v5zod6lusksscs4@webmail.utoronto.ca>
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Hi all,

The only catch is that it's hard to get Kurzweil to find PDF's in the
file list. I've always done it by going into My Computer, pointing to
the PDF and going to File, Open With and then Kurzweil.

Arielle

On 3/4/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi Courtney,
> If you have the image file as a pdf on your computer, open Kurzweil
> and then open the file. It will start "scanning and recognizing" as it
> would had you scanned the file manually. I'm not sure if it would work
> for jpg or other formats, but it might be worth trying.
> Hope this helps,
> Sarah
>
> Quoting Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Speaking of reading image PDFs with Kurzweil, how would one do so?  I
>> vaguely remember this being discussed before, but haven't been
>> successful in finding a reference in the list archives.
>> Courtney
>>
>> On 3/3/09, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Does anyone know if the PDF to TXT software will convert  scanned
>>> (image) PDF's, or just PDF's created in Adobe directly?
>>>
>>> I am asking this because, as many of us know, it is much more
>>> difficult to read a scanned PDF than a directly generated one without
>>> using Kurzweil, Open Book or other specialized software.
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 3/1/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:20:23 -0500 (EST)
>>>>> From: Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/p2tsetup.exe
>>>>>
>>>>> PDF to TXT
>>>>> Version 3.2
>>>>> February 28, 2009
>>>>>
>>>>> This version adds the ability to convert from PDF to HTML format via a
>>>>> new
>>>>> checkbox called Extra HTML (which may be invoked with Alt+X).  If
>>>>> checked,
>>>>> a .htm target file is produced in addition to the .txt one.  A
>>>>> different
>>>>> conversion technique is used, originally posted at
>>>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/pdf2htm.zip
>>>>>
>>>>> This option may be worth trying if the .txt result is unsatisfactory.
>>>>> It
>>>>> may also be useful for webmasters who want to post AN HTML alternative
>>>>> to
>>>>> a PDF.  The conversion translates visual aspects of the PDF such as
>>>>> fonts,
>>>>> but not structural elements such as headings, unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamal
>>>>
>>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 22:15:24 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:15:24 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
Message-ID: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

The discussion we had a couple days ago about a blindness joke got me
thinking about how we can use humor as a tool for easing discomfort in
situations relating to our blindness. There are times when we've all
had to reveal our blindness to others--in applying for jobs,
participating in extracurricular activities, with randomly assigned
roommates, online dating etc. Or we've had to initiate a blindness
discussion with someone in order to talk about accommodations--an
employer or professor for instance. In these kinds of situations, when
we don't know how our blindness will be received, has anyone been
successful in using humor to ease the tension that might arise from a
revelation of blindness? What kinds of jokes have been effective in
this regard? Or, does humor just make things more awkward?

Curiously,
Arielle


From jenandnixon at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 22:55:09 2009
From: jenandnixon at gmail.com (Jen)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 14:55:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <2CF23FC5CB224D838BA1D493B030C14C@Ashley>
Message-ID: <19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>

Good day everyone:

I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.

I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite some
time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the apartment
in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
deafblind.

I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have a
strong preference working with adults.

My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone a
deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
(JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
attacks.

I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading the
vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
basis.

Jen and Nixon



From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Mar  5 22:57:02 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:57:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Colorado-talk] Fwd: A Chance To Advertise Your
 Company Or Site With The Djd Invasion
In-Reply-To: <183863066.5451291236206863954.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryv
	ille.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <183863066.5451291236206863954.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000091731106@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Please let's have less messages from and about this DJ.  Everybody 
knows he is around, and I am getting complaints.

Dave

At 06:47 PM 3/4/2009, Amy Sabo wrote:
>hello all,
>
>well, the reality of finally having radio 360 is going to happen! 
>but, to make this happen we need advertisement to make this happen. 
>so, if you know of anyone who has a business or something than 
>please read on for this information. also, please forward this onto 
>all of your friends, family, and associates if they also wish to 
>contribute to this adventure.
>
>if you have any questions please contact me or david at the email 
>provided in this message. take care and thanks for your assistance on this!
>
>
>
>sincerely yours,
>from amy
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>advertise, and a web site, phone number, etC people can use to find out more
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Mar  5 23:16:10 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:16:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
References: <19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <001701c99de8$5f55ecd0$0501a8c0@Serene>

Hi Jenn

May I ask, do you use sign language?  Cuz I have a friend who's totally deaf 
and has some vision--He reads large print and Braille.  We chat on AOL 
Instant Messenger pretty much every night!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction


> Good day everyone:
>
> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>
> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite 
> some
> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the 
> apartment
> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
> deafblind.
>
> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have 
> a
> strong preference working with adults.
>
> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone 
> a
> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
> attacks.
>
> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading 
> the
> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
> basis.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 23:41:55 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:41:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
References: <2CF23FC5CB224D838BA1D493B030C14C@Ashley>
	<19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0903051541s19f81046s1b8d179c6fc8e452@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Jen.  My name is Beth Taurasi, and am currently residing in
Tallahassee for school, and I go to Florida State Univerity and am
pursuing a career as a high school choral director.  I'd like to teach
in a sighted-children's school, not a blind school, because it would
probably be like throwing all the blind people together in the box if
you know what I mean.  I like you graduated from a community college,
and have jumped on many firsts.  I am not the first blind student at
FSU thank God.  I am one of the first to study the classical theory
though.  My professors get along with me fine, and I am just fine in
the piano department.  I am not interested in studying voice because
there's a risk of getting your performance level knocked down if you
get a cold or whatever.  I've had that experience, and it's not fun.
So you're deaf/blind?  Cool.  Never met too many of them before.

On 3/5/09, Jen <jenandnixon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good day everyone:
>
> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>
> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite some
> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the apartment
> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
> deafblind.
>
> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have a
> strong preference working with adults.
>
> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone a
> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
> attacks.
>
> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading the
> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
> basis.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 23:56:55 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:56:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
References: <19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <000f01c99dee$10fa0d90$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi Jen welcome to the list. My name is Rania, I am currently applying to 
another school so I can finish up with the classes I need to become a 
massage therapist.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction


> Good day everyone:
>
> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>
> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite 
> some
> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the 
> apartment
> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
> deafblind.
>
> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have 
> a
> strong preference working with adults.
>
> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone 
> a
> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
> attacks.
>
> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading 
> the
> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
> basis.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jenandnixon at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 01:12:53 2009
From: jenandnixon at gmail.com (Jen)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 17:12:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <001701c99de8$5f55ecd0$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <19740414223344.E5461823382867C8@priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net>

Yes, my first language is American Sign Language. So sometimes, writing in
English isn't easy for me, sometimes I do confuse my grammar structure some
of the time. I am the same way, I use LP and Braille... Gotta have all the
tools available to my in the toolbox *grin*.--J&N 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Serena
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction

Hi Jenn

May I ask, do you use sign language?  Cuz I have a friend who's totally deaf
and has some vision--He reads large print and Braille.  We chat on AOL
Instant Messenger pretty much every night!

Serena


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction


> Good day everyone:
>
> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>
> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite 
> some
> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the 
> apartment
> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
> deafblind.
>
> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have

> a
> strong preference working with adults.
>
> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone

> a
> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
> attacks.
>
> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading 
> the
> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
> basis.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From habnkid at aol.com  Fri Mar  6 01:30:49 2009
From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:30:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49B07CC9.7030302@aol.com>

Hi Arielle,

Remember how I was considering to respond to that blind poem/joke with a 
poem of my own? Well, a prominent faculty member at the college asked me 
to not respond with humor. This faculty member has a disability and 
explained that there were several instances at the college when s/he 
tried to use humor to ease the acceptance of the disability, but this 
humor was not taken well and had a negative result. I haven't asked the 
faculty member about the details. The faculty member believes the 
college is not ready to handle disabilities with humor, and they're 
planning to ask the college newspaper to demystify blindness by 
interviewing the blind students on campus.  Since I respect this person 
and hardly cared about that comment, I asked the college newspaper to 
cancel my submission. So, there's one example of a disabled person 
finding the use of humor to be unsuccessful. I think humor has been 
successful for me at certain times, but I can't remember any particular 
instances right now.

Best,
Haben

Arielle Silverman wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> The discussion we had a couple days ago about a blindness joke got me
> thinking about how we can use humor as a tool for easing discomfort in
> situations relating to our blindness. There are times when we've all
> had to reveal our blindness to others--in applying for jobs,
> participating in extracurricular activities, with randomly assigned
> roommates, online dating etc. Or we've had to initiate a blindness
> discussion with someone in order to talk about accommodations--an
> employer or professor for instance. In these kinds of situations, when
> we don't know how our blindness will be received, has anyone been
> successful in using humor to ease the tension that might arise from a
> revelation of blindness? What kinds of jokes have been effective in
> this regard? Or, does humor just make things more awkward?
>
> Curiously,
> Arielle
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Fri Mar  6 02:42:04 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:42:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0903051541s19f81046s1b8d179c6fc8e452@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2CF23FC5CB224D838BA1D493B030C14C@Ashley>
	<19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
	<4383d01d0903051541s19f81046s1b8d179c6fc8e452@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090305214204.lus4x8f284cc0k84@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi there,
Welcom to the list, and also welcome to all new members. I'm Sarah  
Jevnikar and am in first year at the University of Toronto studying  
actuarial sciences. I love this list and I hope you get to as well.
Have a good day,
Sarah



Quoting Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>:

> Hi, Jen.  My name is Beth Taurasi, and am currently residing in
> Tallahassee for school, and I go to Florida State Univerity and am
> pursuing a career as a high school choral director.  I'd like to teach
> in a sighted-children's school, not a blind school, because it would
> probably be like throwing all the blind people together in the box if
> you know what I mean.  I like you graduated from a community college,
> and have jumped on many firsts.  I am not the first blind student at
> FSU thank God.  I am one of the first to study the classical theory
> though.  My professors get along with me fine, and I am just fine in
> the piano department.  I am not interested in studying voice because
> there's a risk of getting your performance level knocked down if you
> get a cold or whatever.  I've had that experience, and it's not fun.
> So you're deaf/blind?  Cool.  Never met too many of them before.
>
> On 3/5/09, Jen <jenandnixon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good day everyone:
>>
>> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>>
>> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite some
>> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
>> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
>> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the apartment
>> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
>> deafblind.
>>
>> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
>> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
>> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
>> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have a
>> strong preference working with adults.
>>
>> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
>> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone a
>> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
>> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
>> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
>> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
>> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
>> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
>> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
>> attacks.
>>
>> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading the
>> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
>> basis.
>>
>> Jen and Nixon
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com
>>
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Mar  6 02:57:34 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 18:57:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
References: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49B07CC9.7030302@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B75F0B1147734381BE46A75A628A9768@D3ZCJ891>

I personally cannot recall a time that I used humor.  It would certainly 
depend on the situation.  There were some situations in which I have been 
that humor certainly would not have helped the fact, but others where I can 
possibly understand how it might have helped.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Haben Girma" <habnkid at aol.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations


Hi Arielle,

Remember how I was considering to respond to that blind poem/joke with a
poem of my own? Well, a prominent faculty member at the college asked me
to not respond with humor. This faculty member has a disability and
explained that there were several instances at the college when s/he
tried to use humor to ease the acceptance of the disability, but this
humor was not taken well and had a negative result. I haven't asked the
faculty member about the details. The faculty member believes the
college is not ready to handle disabilities with humor, and they're
planning to ask the college newspaper to demystify blindness by
interviewing the blind students on campus.  Since I respect this person
and hardly cared about that comment, I asked the college newspaper to
cancel my submission. So, there's one example of a disabled person
finding the use of humor to be unsuccessful. I think humor has been
successful for me at certain times, but I can't remember any particular
instances right now.

Best,
Haben

Arielle Silverman wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> The discussion we had a couple days ago about a blindness joke got me
> thinking about how we can use humor as a tool for easing discomfort in
> situations relating to our blindness. There are times when we've all
> had to reveal our blindness to others--in applying for jobs,
> participating in extracurricular activities, with randomly assigned
> roommates, online dating etc. Or we've had to initiate a blindness
> discussion with someone in order to talk about accommodations--an
> employer or professor for instance. In these kinds of situations, when
> we don't know how our blindness will be received, has anyone been
> successful in using humor to ease the tension that might arise from a
> revelation of blindness? What kinds of jokes have been effective in
> this regard? Or, does humor just make things more awkward?
>
> Curiously,
> Arielle
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 03:24:57 2009
From: chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com (Chelsea Munoz)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:24:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
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I definitely think humor is an effective tool; great point, Arielle!
Sometimes when I bump into people, they'll say something like, "Oops, I'm
sorry...I didn't see you there." My response to that is usually, "Oh, I
didn't see you either!" I feel that breaks the ice so to speak, and makes
them laugh and feel okay about my blindness. If I think of anything else,
I'll let you all know.



From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  6 04:20:53 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:20:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
In-Reply-To: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, Arielle, I use humor all the time around sighted friends, occasionally with teachers, breaking the ice meeting new people, when asking for directions from strangers, etc. I can't say which jokes would be most effective, as I feel you have to look at each individual situation differently to get the best results, but humor, even if used a little, is what gets me through most things. Often it's what makes people see that you have character, and they'll start seeing you differently. I always here comedians talking about how if you're going to make it in stand-up, you have to be willing to make fun of yourself and your past experiences because that's where you'll get your best material. That doesn't mean go into the professor's office rattling off one-liners for everything they tell you, but just incorporate a little something about you as the conversation rolls along.


Juan 
> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:15:24 +1100
> From: arielle71 at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> The discussion we had a couple days ago about a blindness joke got me
> thinking about how we can use humor as a tool for easing discomfort in
> situations relating to our blindness. There are times when we've all
> had to reveal our blindness to others--in applying for jobs,
> participating in extracurricular activities, with randomly assigned
> roommates, online dating etc. Or we've had to initiate a blindness
> discussion with someone in order to talk about accommodations--an
> employer or professor for instance. In these kinds of situations, when
> we don't know how our blindness will be received, has anyone been
> successful in using humor to ease the tension that might arise from a
> revelation of blindness? What kinds of jokes have been effective in
> this regard? Or, does humor just make things more awkward?
> 
> Curiously,
> Arielle
> 
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From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 04:24:27 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (gmail)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:24:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
References: <19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <9F6F52C433EB44EBB18363A6D1C2ECAA@Nijatash>

Greetings Jen and Nixon,
   Welcome to the list. Nice to meet you via e-mail. I hope we can be a good 
resource for you in the future, and that is exactly what this list is for. 
Thanks for introducing yourself. Good luck with everything. I am sure we 
will hear from you in the future.
   Yours

   Nijat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:55 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction


> Good day everyone:
>
> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>
> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite 
> some
> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved to
> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the 
> apartment
> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
> deafblind.
>
> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I have 
> a
> strong preference working with adults.
>
> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let alone 
> a
> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind student
> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab guide,
> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
> attacks.
>
> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading 
> the
> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
> basis.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Mar  6 05:39:49 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 21:39:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations
References: <b6b933030903051415g4aab0540jc8e2d08d8055f76a@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c99e0b$24bbb500$6e331f00$@com>
Message-ID: <74878D10DD0442E6887ED3742D8D9E07@D3ZCJ891>

And that's a perfect example of when it does work. Yes... A sighted friend 
and I did joke once or twice.  I said "It was nice seeing you the other 
day," and his response was, "You did not actually see me." We both got a 
good laugh out of that one. Funny how we don't think about the literal 
meanings of some of the sayings that we use.  Have you ever been looking for 
something, and the person who is trying to help you asks what color it is, 
then realizes that you cannot provide that information?  Also usually worth 
a laugh.

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chelsea Munoz" <chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Humor and Blindness Revelations


I definitely think humor is an effective tool; great point, Arielle!
Sometimes when I bump into people, they'll say something like, "Oops, I'm
sorry...I didn't see you there." My response to that is usually, "Oh, I
didn't see you either!" I feel that breaks the ice so to speak, and makes
them laugh and feel okay about my blindness. If I think of anything else,
I'll let you all know.


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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Fri Mar  6 17:20:37 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 12:20:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
References: <2CF23FC5CB224D838BA1D493B030C14C@Ashley>
	<19740414223344.82E21811382F02D7@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <49b15af6.06d7720a.31e4.5516@mx.google.com>

Hi Jen, 

It's nice to see you over here. This is a fun and informative list. 

Take care, 

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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar  6 20:36:57 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:36:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Classic for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000091896259@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following:

David Andrews






>From: "Ed Lain" <edlain at sbcglobal.net>
>To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Would you post this, david?
>Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 10:29:05 -0800
>David, would you post this on all nfb nets? I'm assuming there is 
>more than one.
>
>
>KNFB Reader classic for sale!
>
>The reader comes with original carrying case and box with extra 
>camera battery and all Braille, print and cd  manuals.
>
>Software version 3.8.0.
>
>Unit is in prime condition and has been used sparingly.
>
>
>
>$600. Shipping included .
>
>For more information, please contact Ed Lain by phone, (530) 
>842-4051 or by e-mail: <mailto:edlain at sbcglobal.net>edlain at sbcglobal.net.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar  6 20:42:09 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:42:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Selling Pocket PC
Message-ID: <auto-000091896260@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Timothy Paulding" <tjpaulding at gmail.com>
>To: <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Posting to the list
>Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:21:05 -0500
>Mr. Andrews,
>
>I’m trying to sell my slightly used Verizon 
>Pocket PC that includes a fully activated and 
>licenced copy of Mobile Speak. Would you mind 
>posting the below to the lists? Thanks.
>
>FOR SALE
>Slightly used HTC PPC6800 PDA/Pocket PC/Cell Phone with Mobile Speak Pocket
>
>This is a very slightly used Pocket PC ready to 
>be activated on the Verizon Network. It includes 
>a copy of Mobile Speak to make it fully 
>accessible.  It’s a phone and PDA all in one. 
>Price is set at $450, but negociable. Owner is 
>upgrading. Please read the description  below 
>and contact Timothy Paulding 
><mailto:tjpaulding at gmail.com>tjpaulding at gmail.com 
>  with any questions you might have.
>
>Phone Description
>
>Windows Mobile 6 Software
>With great productivity tools for mobile 
>professionals, Windows Mobile 6 provides several 
>features allowing you to stay connected to your 
>business and personal data on the go. Windows 
>Mobile 6 provides supports many forms of email, 
>Mobile versions of Microsoft Applications 
>including editing capabilities, and the ability 
>to easily transfer your digital multimedia from 
>your Windows-based PC to your device. It also 
>supports HTML based emails, and includes popular 
>services such as Windows Live Search.
>
>Wireless High–Speed Data Capable
>Where coverage is available, experience 
>broadband–like download speeds using EV-DO 
>technology. The average download speeds range 
>from 400 to 700 Kbps with peak rates up to 2 
>Mbps. EV-DO Rev. A upgradeable for even faster speeds.
>
>Integrated QWERTY Keyboard
>The sliding keyboard provides a familiar 
>interface and allows for quick and efficient 
>input of information. The slide-to-hide form 
>factor eliminates bulkiness for a sleek and stylish design.
>
>2.0 Megapixel Camera and Camcorder
>Shoot digital pictures with the embedded 2.0 
>megapixel camera with built-in flash and 8x 
>digital zoom lens; use the built-in camcorder to 
>record 30 second video clips and play them on the LCD screen.
>
>Bluetooth Wireless Technology Enabled
>Built-in radio technology for short-range 
>wireless communication. When used with your 
>Sprint PCS Smart Device and select accessories 
>(headset, car kit, etc), Bluetooth allows fast, 
>secure transmission without cables or wires, 
>even though the two devices are not in 
>line-of-sight. Bluetooth wireless accessories sold separately.
>
>Sprint Music StoreSM Enabled
>Download stereo-quality, digital tracks 
>instantly to your phone. Choose from hundreds of 
>thousands of full-length songs from virtually 
>every genre. Select songs directly from your 
>wireless phone and listen to them wherever you 
>go, even download them to your PC.
>
>Large, Full-Color Touchscreen, Thumb Wheel and Integrated Antenna
>Featuring a vivid 2.8" 64k color touch screen, a 
>thumbwheel for one handed navigation, and an 
>integrated antenna resulting in a sleek design.
>
>External MicroSD Card Slot, Plus 512MB Memory Card
>Included with the device is a 512MB MicroSD 
>memory card. Add memory and selected peripherals 
>or load additional games, applications, and music or video clips.
>
>Java Support
>Enables users to view Java based websites.
>
>Built-In Wi-Fi Capability
>High-speed data connection between the device 
>and nearby Wi-Fi access points for the ultimate in mobile connectivity.
>
>Attachment Viewing
>Microsoft® Office PowerPoint® Mobile application 
>enables viewing of presentations while 
>on-the-go, while Microsoft® Office Excel® 
>Mobile™ now offers chart support that improves 
>the email attachment viewing experience.
>
>Two-Way SMS Messaging
>Instantly send and receive SMS Text Messages 
>across the room or across the country. It's the 
>coolest way to talk, without the talk.
>
>Microsoft ActiveSync®
>Updated ActiveSync® technology (version 4.0) 
>offers one of the best PC to mobile device sync 
>experiences, making it easier to configure with 
>faster data transfer and sync accuracy.
>
>Phone As Modem Compatibility
>Use the included USB cable or Bluetooth with a 
>Phone As Modem Service Plan to connect your PC to the Internet.
>
>Downloadable Applications
>Includes an on-device link to the Sprint PCS 
>Software Store provided by Handango™. Customers 
>can find, download and buy software, games, 
>ringtones, graphics and other Windows Mobile 
>Pocket PC applications simply and securely. 
>Additional software titles are available from 
>your desktop PC at http://softwarestore.sprint.com.
>
>Built-in Speakerphone
>Hands-free operation of your phone is made easy 
>with the built-in speakerphone, allowing you to 
>take a conference call virtually anywhere!
>
>Stereo Headset
>Stereo Headset jack for handsfree operation and music enjoyment.
>
>Dimensions 4.3" H x 2.3" W x 0.7" D
>Weight 5.8 oz
>Battery Information Standard Li-Ion Polymer Battery 1500 mAh
>Talk Time 4.1 hours
>
>
>
>________________________________________________
>
>[]
>T I m o t h y  J.  P a u l d I n g
>217 Paisley Court
>Kalamazoo, MI  49006
>734-657-1351
><mailto:tjpaulding at gmail.com>tjpaulding at gmail.com
>     www.proudlypaulding.blogspot.com
>  ______________________________________________________
>
>




From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Mar  6 22:15:18 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 17:15:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
References: <19740414223344.E5461823382867C8@priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <008f01c99ea9$08f7f7e0$0501a8c0@Serene>

Well, you've done great with English in your emails so far!  May I ask, how 
did you learn English grammar so well?  My friend pretty much always instant 
messages me in ASL.  Languages have always fascinated me from when I was 
little.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction


> Yes, my first language is American Sign Language. So sometimes, writing in
> English isn't easy for me, sometimes I do confuse my grammar structure 
> some
> of the time. I am the same way, I use LP and Braille... Gotta have all the
> tools available to my in the toolbox *grin*.--J&N
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>
> Hi Jenn
>
> May I ask, do you use sign language?  Cuz I have a friend who's totally 
> deaf
> and has some vision--He reads large print and Braille.  We chat on AOL
> Instant Messenger pretty much every night!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
>
>
>> Good day everyone:
>>
>> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>>
>> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite
>> some
>> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
>> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved 
>> to
>> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the
>> apartment
>> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
>> deafblind.
>>
>> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
>> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
>> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
>> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I 
>> have
>
>> a
>> strong preference working with adults.
>>
>> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
>> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let 
>> alone
>
>> a
>> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind 
>> student
>> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
>> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
>> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab 
>> guide,
>> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
>> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
>> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
>> attacks.
>>
>> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading
>> the
>> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
>> basis.
>>
>> Jen and Nixon
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From Kim.Charlson at Perkins.org  Sat Mar  7 03:05:21 2009
From: Kim.Charlson at Perkins.org (Kim.Charlson at Perkins.org)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:05:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [bana-announce] BANA to Evaluate NUBS
Message-ID: <auto-000088504270@mailfront1.g2host.com>



PRESS RELEASE


March, 2009

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT: Judith Dixon, Chairperson

Braille Authority of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />North America

PHONE: 1-202-707-0722

E-MAIL: <mailto:jdix at loc.gov>jdix at loc.gov




Braille Authority of North America To Evaluate Nemeth Uniform Braille System



The Braille Authority of North America announced today that it is 
making plans for the evaluation of the recently completed Nemeth 
Uniform Braille System (NUBS).



According to its developer, Dr. Abraham Nemeth, NUBS is an updated 
version of the Nemeth code, which has been in use since 1972.  The 
new system has been in development for ten years and is capable of 
rendering both literary and technical texts.



"BANA deliberates very carefully before making even small changes to 
braille," said Judith Dixon, BANA chairperson.  "We want to ensure 
that braille readers have access to the same information as do their 
print-reading counterparts in this age in which the norms for printed 
material are evolving rapidly.  However, it is essential that we 
understand the impact of any changes on readability, writeability, 
space considerations, familiarity to current braille readers, 
etc.  The benefits of making any change must be shown to outweigh the 
drawbacks."



The timeline and other details of the evaluation process are still 
being determined.  The evaluation will involve the input of all 
stakeholders,  and information on how those interested can provide 
input will be made available soon.



To view the completed code, or to read documents explaining the code, 
visit http://www.braille2000.com/brl2000/nubs.htm



The mission and purpose of the Braille Authority of North America are 
to assure literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of 
braille and/or tactile graphics. BANA promotes and facilitates the 
use, teaching and production of braille. It publishes rules, 
interprets and renders opinions pertaining to braille in all existing 
codes. It deals with codes now in existence or to be developed in the 
future, in collaboration with other countries using English braille. 
In exercising its function and authority, BANA considers the effects 
of its decisions on other existing braille codes and formats; the 
ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers.



For additional resource information, visit www.brailleauthority.org.




From habnkid at aol.com  Sat Mar  7 06:15:09 2009
From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma)
Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:15:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Judging and Choosing Photos
Message-ID: <49B210ED.80101@aol.com>


I've gone through phases of hating having my picture taken, and other 
phases when I love it. How do you handle photos? Do you have a sighted 
best friend or relative who helps you choose which photos to use for the 
school yearbook, facebook, etc?

Haben


From jmassay1 at cox.net  Sat Mar  7 15:52:43 2009
From: jmassay1 at cox.net (JMassay)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:52:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Question
Message-ID: <C6AC65DDC97F455F8A691B4A6C9A997E@MERLIN>

Hello to all!  I have posted to the list before but neglected to introduce
myself. My name is Jeannie Massay and I am a graduate student studying
Counseling Psychology at the University of Central Oklahoma. I have only
been active with the NFB for about a year now.  

 

Our state affiliate has not been strong in the past but we are working to
change that.  We started a new chapter in August of last year.  One of only
2 in our state.  We had a chapter meeting last night. We had 10 people.  I
know that might seem like a small number but here in Oklahoma the Council
has had a stronghold for many years. So.our little chapter is really
exciting. 

 

We are also looking to begin a NABS Division here.  I am coming to Baltimore
on March 20th.  Is anyone on the list going as well?

 

Studying for midterms today.  Have a great weekend!

 

Jeannie 


From bcsarah.fan at gmail.com  Sat Mar  7 20:51:34 2009
From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com (Patricia)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 12:51:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] humour and blindness revelations
Message-ID: <93527679EFCD4E4793F372D6096CE8AB@Athena>

Hey Arielle and all:

Yes, I use humour from time to time as well when interacting with others. Mainly with friends, but I've used it from time to time with my employer as well, mainly to make himself as well as other employees feel more comfortable with me (this was after I had already been hired and was more used in the beginning). I found it to be very effective. One other NABS member said that you have to use humour liberally (to paraphrase), and I fully agree with this opinion as not all situations call for humour or will garnir acceptance when it is used. 

Neat topic!

Patricia 

From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar  7 20:26:49 2009
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 14:26:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Zumo Drive
Message-ID: <001f01c99f63$0dddfb00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good afternoon everyone,

    Some of you on certain lists probably heard me saying, "I'm putting my 
files in the clouds." I'm doing this via a neat service I heard about on a 
Web 2.0 Podcast. The service is called "Zumo Drive." It's a hybrid cloud 
storage application that permits you to store files remotely so they'll be 
available from any computer you use. Unlike other types of remote storage 
solutions Zumo Drive integrates with your PC and is accessed via My 
Computer. Those of you that use external drives know that it appears as an 
additional drive whenever you enter My Computer or Windows Explorer.

    Think of Zumo drive as an auxiliary drive without the physical hardware. 
Instead of your files being stored on a physical drive they're stored on a 
secure remote server which can be accessed from multiple computers and 
mobile phones. This is achieved by downloading and installing the Zumo Drive 
Application which you can obtain from their Web Site. Both the Zumo Drive 
Web Site and the application are accessible and very easy to use; 
particularly because it appears as an additional drive on your computer. I 
believe this is what's commonly called a virtual drive. The only 
accessibility glitch I encountered was when I needed to register my copy 
with their service. Using your screen reader's mouse cursor should allow you 
to complete the registration on your own once the "Registration" Icon is 
activated.

    Once installed and your account is created Zumo Drive works exactly like 
any other drive on your PC. It's possible to store files locally on your 
computer, or save them on your Zumo Drive from within any application; 
although larger files may take longer to save due to their having to be 
transferred to the remote server. It's also possible to save a file obtained 
from another Internet location directly to your Zumo Drive. I did this this 
morning and think it's pretty cool.

    Depending on their type the files saved remotely will be downloaded and 
open in the application or in the case of audio and video content will 
stream to your PC. For example I was able to listen to a podcast on Virtual 
Colonoscopy on Mary's computer though the file does not reside on her 
machine. It was a simple matter of opening up  QuickTime, and typing 
Z:\path\filename. The file opened and the documentary began playing exactly 
as it would if stored on the local machine.

    Upon creating your Zumo Drive Account you receive 1 GB of storage space 
to allow you to try the system out. There are several subscription plans you 
can purchass depending on the amount of remote storage you require. But 
enough from me. For additional information visit:
http://www.zumodrive.com

    Since file storage is always an important concern I wanted to share this 
information with everyone. All the best for a great weekend.

Peter Donahue


 "Given a chance to dream it can be done.
The promise of tomorrow is real.
Children of Spaceship Earth the future belongs to us all."
Flying for Me,
John Denver 


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 02:07:28 2009
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 13:07:28 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and Track Changes
In-Reply-To: <192C023C0AFB49E699ABBF70AA676642@MIRANDA>
References: <b6b933030903031333w16f183bat38a097df1ddc25d4@mail.gmail.com>
	<192C023C0AFB49E699ABBF70AA676642@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <b6b933030903071807s146acfa5ib4b1cbef291e143a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Miranda,

Thanks for your help with comments. Does anyone know the command to
move quickly from one revision to the next (i.e. text insertions,
deletions, etc.)?

Arielle

On 3/4/09, Miranda brown <brownbears at mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Arielle,
>
> Here are keystrokes for working with comments:
> turn jaws verbosity  on to detect comments
>  control shift apostrophe list all comments
>  alt shift apostrophe read current comment
>
> I am not sure about the track changes command, I don't know of just one
> keystroke. I know that you have to change the jaws verbosity on to detect
> track changes and then you can arrow through and it will announce them.
>
>  Sincerely,
>
> Miranda Morse
> NFBI Southeast Chapter President
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Arielle Silverman
> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and Track Changes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am using Track Changes with MS-Word 2003 and JAWS 8.0 for a research
> project, and  I don't remember the commands for  moving from revision to
> revision or comment to comment in an edited document. Does anyone know what
> those keystrokes are?
>
> Thanks!
> Arielle
>
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From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 06:51:19 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 01:51:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Zumo Drive
In-Reply-To: <001f01c99f63$0dddfb00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <001f01c99f63$0dddfb00$210110ac@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAADRV/30y3g9No9CqjQkKXs8BAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hey Peter,

To you and anyone else more interested in cloud computing.

This past year I purchased a media Linksys router that enables me to do the
very same thing with the only cost being the router and my choice of
storage. With some technical understanding I was able to utilize the ftp
software that comes with the router to originally turn my 1 GBS jump drive
into a storage device accessible either through my local network or via the
web. 

By obtaining your external ip address I can type in the ftp address with the
external ip address and get my username and password page to the jump drive.
When I log in I will have the web based windows explorer environment to go
into my jump drive and access my music or files. I now have a 200 GBS. Hard
drive connected to my router that allows me to access all my files from
anywhere I have internet access. 

I believe that Apple has a similar router called the Time Capsule, and I am
sure there are other routers available. I caution interested consumers to
not simply look for a router with an usb port, but to make sure that their
product has ftp capabilities. My ext venture is to see if I can run a web
server off of my drive in order to see if I can utilize a free web hosting
for personal items of recommendation.

All routers come with firewalls, and it is separate from my computers, so I
feel comfortable with the security of this drive. I also intend on
purchasing a terabyte drive to keep all my electronic life backed up in
addition to the two drives I regularly utilize. My current expense is a
$150.00 Linksys router, and a $100.00 hard drive. With current technology
trends I am pretty sure I can now get a Terabyte drive for $100.00 and
perhaps for $89.00 from looking blindbargains a couple months ago. 

For individuals that do not feel interested in wasting the time of setting
this venture up, it is pretty easy to ask a sighted individual to do.
Although the Linksys is completely practical for jaws users. The ease of
accessing the drive is even easier, so you do not have to be a technical
geek in order to accomplish this task.

I personally went this rout as I am pretty aggressive with my computers and
find my software explorations to be slightly destructive to the liability of
my laptops. I have yet to destroy a computer, but I like the opportunity to
sit at a campus desktop and access my life at the potential reality that I
might kick the bucket with my laptop.

Sincerely,

Mandarino

Router specs to consider -

Usb for external storage access.
Remote accessibility from the web,
ftp software,
duel band capabilities, (recommended)
1 Gbs. Processor,


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
of Peter Donahue
Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:27 PM
To: NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List
Cc: Professionals in Blindness Education Division List; NFBnet GUI Talk
Mailing List; NFB of Missouri Mailing List; NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List;
nabs-l at nfbnet.org; programmingblind at freelists.org; nfb-web at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Zumo Drive

Good afternoon everyone,

    Some of you on certain lists probably heard me saying, "I'm putting my 
files in the clouds." I'm doing this via a neat service I heard about on a 
Web 2.0 Podcast. The service is called "Zumo Drive." It's a hybrid cloud 
storage application that permits you to store files remotely so they'll be 
available from any computer you use. Unlike other types of remote storage 
solutions Zumo Drive integrates with your PC and is accessed via My 
Computer. Those of you that use external drives know that it appears as an 
additional drive whenever you enter My Computer or Windows Explorer.

    Think of Zumo drive as an auxiliary drive without the physical hardware.

Instead of your files being stored on a physical drive they're stored on a 
secure remote server which can be accessed from multiple computers and 
mobile phones. This is achieved by downloading and installing the Zumo Drive

Application which you can obtain from their Web Site. Both the Zumo Drive 
Web Site and the application are accessible and very easy to use; 
particularly because it appears as an additional drive on your computer. I 
believe this is what's commonly called a virtual drive. The only 
accessibility glitch I encountered was when I needed to register my copy 
with their service. Using your screen reader's mouse cursor should allow you

to complete the registration on your own once the "Registration" Icon is 
activated.

    Once installed and your account is created Zumo Drive works exactly like

any other drive on your PC. It's possible to store files locally on your 
computer, or save them on your Zumo Drive from within any application; 
although larger files may take longer to save due to their having to be 
transferred to the remote server. It's also possible to save a file obtained

from another Internet location directly to your Zumo Drive. I did this this 
morning and think it's pretty cool.

    Depending on their type the files saved remotely will be downloaded and 
open in the application or in the case of audio and video content will 
stream to your PC. For example I was able to listen to a podcast on Virtual 
Colonoscopy on Mary's computer though the file does not reside on her 
machine. It was a simple matter of opening up  QuickTime, and typing 
Z:\path\filename. The file opened and the documentary began playing exactly 
as it would if stored on the local machine.

    Upon creating your Zumo Drive Account you receive 1 GB of storage space 
to allow you to try the system out. There are several subscription plans you

can purchass depending on the amount of remote storage you require. But 
enough from me. For additional information visit:
http://www.zumodrive.com

    Since file storage is always an important concern I wanted to share this

information with everyone. All the best for a great weekend.

Peter Donahue


 "Given a chance to dream it can be done.
The promise of tomorrow is real.
Children of Spaceship Earth the future belongs to us all."
Flying for Me,
John Denver 

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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 16:26:08 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 12:26:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction and Question
In-Reply-To: <C6AC65DDC97F455F8A691B4A6C9A997E@MERLIN>
References: <C6AC65DDC97F455F8A691B4A6C9A997E@MERLIN>
Message-ID: <49b3f15d.1ebd7e0a.1f92.fffff3b6@mx.google.com>

Hi Jeannie, 

My name is Liz Bottner. I'm currently located in Delaware, where we, too,
are starting up a student division. I will be in Baltimore on March 20 as
well. 

Take care, 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 
Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March
for Independence:
http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
m&fr_id=1050 




From bcsarah.fan at gmail.com  Sun Mar  8 18:15:47 2009
From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com (Patricia)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 11:15:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] moving through revisions
Message-ID: <1A09D3818B8546418B1C55636142A52A@Athena>

Arielle: 

Perhaps insert-shift-r will do it? That lists the revisions, is that what you are looking for? You then see them in a dialogue and can press enter on them.

HTH,

Patricia 

From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Sun Mar  8 18:47:54 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 14:47:54 EDT
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: A CELEBRATION OF LIFE!!!!!!!IN LOVING MEMEMORY
Message-ID: <bec.35b17fd1.36e56cda@aol.com>

Please see a message from a friend from Michigan below.  Thos of us  who knew 
Michael will miss him a great deal.  This is a very sad time for  our 
Federation Family.
 
Ronza
 
 
 
  
____________________________________
 From: youthslammi at yahoo.com
To: nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org,  qmsingleton at comcast.net
CC: alewis at nfbga.org, aznor99 at aol.com,  bossclaw at aol.com, 
akostin at ci.lansing.mi.us, malston at ci.lansing.mi.us,  mossc at michigan.gov, kdavisnfbf at cfl.rr.com, 
djgfire3life at gmail.com,  ggwilcox at comcast.net, gscott at nfbga.org, 
camptgirl at att.net,  jacalynpaulding at gmail.com, jennifer.dunnam at earthlink.net, 
jj at bestmidi.com,  JWilson at nfb.org, ghkitchen at comcast.net, MThorpe at nfb.org, MRio at nfb.org,  
kitties_kimmy at yahoo.com, chelseap08 at gmail.com, tpaulding at drccil.org,  
robinsond5 at michigan.gov, nfrbnj at yahoo.com, lilblue615 at yahoo.com,  
selena.j.sundling at irs.gov, msoulsby at suddenlink.net, tjpaulding at gmail.com,  
george.wurtzel at comcast.net, peter_zaremba at yahoo.com
Sent: 3/8/2009 2:29:17  P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: A CELEBRATION OF LIFE!!!!!!!IN LOVING  MEMEMORY>>>


To all of my federation friends,
i write to you with a terribly saddened heart and a whole flood of  emotions 
inside. With deepest sadness i must report to you that the NFB  of MI has lost 
a close friend. Our fellow federationis, president of the  Tennessee 
affiliate and great friend, Michael Seay has gone home to be  with the Lord,.. on 
Friday, March 5.2009 after a sudden heart  attack.  .  Please join me in 
celebrating the life of a  man that so many of us held so dear.  He was our federation 
brother  and to many in the Michigan affiliate he was such a good friend.   
In a gesture of love to the family, i am compiling a book of  memories and 
pictures to present to his family when i travel to Memphis  this weekend for his 
service. SO, i ask if you have any memories of Mike  as a friend , of 
federation brother that you'd like to share with  his family, please email me the 
stories and pictures.  I am sure  that the family will find comfort in our 
memories.  i must admit  that this is partially a selfish endeavor.  Mike meant the 
world to  me and by hearing memories of all his friends it makes me remember 
him  and feel his awesome presence.  If i were to write something it  would be 
about the way he laughed that just consumed me and made me  laugh even if i 
didn't think the comment or joke was funny.  I  would write about how he made me 
feel special and how at one time and  maybe even still i was his princess.  
Or, the time i blew up a pan  of brownies while he was in Michigan visiting and 
he tried to pretend  that he wasn't disappointed but really he was looking 
foward to my  excellent peanut butter brownies.  I have so many great memories  
and i am sure you do as well. 
Knowing Mike as i did, i am sure that he's in heaven happy,  drinking weet 
tea( or....) and eating  ribs, chicken  or tacos.  I am sure that he is singing 
in the choir with angels  and sharing his amazing laugh with them.  
 
Again, please send your stories to me so that i may share our  memories of 
our federation brother with his family.
 
Thank you,
 
Melinda

MELINDA  LATHAM 
Youth Outreach  Coordinator, NFB of MI  
517.803.3800



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From newmanrl at cox.net  Mon Mar  9 03:04:11 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 22:04:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
	The Reality Show
Message-ID: <D2CD372E01444258BA8BE634364BB378@D78R0TG1>

NABS
RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show

Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills. There are
challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what you think; is
there value in this shows concept? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it
follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site for
all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to
receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
newmanrl at cox.net 




THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
The Reality Show

"Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On screen a
tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, cordless
microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week four, the
final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students will have their
final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their challenge assignment
first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman,
twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows a
petit blonde woman with a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes
and upper face. She stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests
easily at her side.)

The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown, 32,
married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college." (The
screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, skin tone;
standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his eyebrows in the
crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below the black of the sleepshade
shows the nonchalance of confidence.)

"But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to date,
allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully sighted
participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed to wear
sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same blindness
skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is simple--if you don't
excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the best."

 "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness from
that first day, up to this Final Challenge." 

The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her face that
may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, but I'm
committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel lesson; a hesitant
step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the cane. Third: learning
Braille; writing with a Braille slate and stylus; fingers reading a thick
Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring water from a large pitcher into a small
glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop
needle threader; using a sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the
screen showing what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what
she keys in. "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an
electric hand drill.

The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling about
your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"

"You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to pick-up
on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can fly!"

"Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
 
First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his sleepshade
down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong grip, he explores
a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into a Braille slate; reading
a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth: checking meat on a hot charcoal
grill. Fifth: threading a self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a
man's shirt. Sixth: keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar
logo, and from the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a
circular saw; sanding a newly built picnic table.

 "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the grand
prize home?"

"Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this challenge
to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a form of
preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory. But the game
is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life goes on and you
just use alternative methods to be successful."

The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet. "Though
the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll be
waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes all! And
the clock starts now!"

The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers reading
their instructions.

The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. Simon
turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty turns left,
north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, cane flashing in
the early morning sun, she begins to run. 



Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Mar  9 05:11:18 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:11:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] $200 Accessible Cell Phone for Sale
Message-ID: <20090309051118.5121.61994@web2.serotek.com>

I have a Nokia 3650 that I'd like to get rid of. Here are the stats for 
the phone. The phone works with either T-Mobile or AT&T/Cingular. 
Please e-mail me at loneblindjedi at samobile.net if you want this cell 
phone or have questions about it. It's in great condition, and I've 
really enjoyed using it until I upgraded to the KNFB Reader phone. This 
phone is great for those who need an accessible phone but don't have 
the money for the reader phone.

Hardware

Nokia 3650
Round Keypad
Camera
Video recorder
Voice recorder
Bluetooth
Infrared
MMC card

Software

Talks screen reader
Loadstone GPS software
File manager
Contacts
Calendar
Calculator
Notes
Ringtone composer
Alarm

Extras

CD software for PC including Nokia PC Suite
MMC card Reader
Haullux Bluetooth GPS receiver
Wall charger for phone
Car charger for phone
GPS receiver charger
Print manual (I also have an electronic copy)

-- 
REspectfully,
Jedi

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www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar  9 05:27:24 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:27:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
	Blindness	Challenge: The Reality Show
In-Reply-To: <D2CD372E01444258BA8BE634364BB378@D78R0TG1>
References: <D2CD372E01444258BA8BE634364BB378@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <20090309012724.nz07g0obw4cock8s@webmail.utoronto.ca>

This is great! I wanted to do ssomething like this in my residence,  
but there was little interest among my peers. Any suggestions how  
blindness awareness can be made fun and informative?
Thanks as always,
Sarah


Quoting Robert Newman <newmanrl at cox.net>:

> NABS
> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>
> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
> contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills. There are
> challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what you think; is
> there value in this shows concept? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it
> follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site for
> all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to
> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
> newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
> The Reality Show
>
> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On screen a
> tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, cordless
> microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week four, the
> final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students will have their
> final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their challenge assignment
> first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman,
> twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows a
> petit blonde woman with a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes
> and upper face. She stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests
> easily at her side.)
>
> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown, 32,
> married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college." (The
> screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, skin tone;
> standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his eyebrows in the
> crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below the black of the sleepshade
> shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>
> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to date,
> allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully sighted
> participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed to wear
> sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same blindness
> skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is simple--if you don't
> excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the best."
>
>  "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness from
> that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>
> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her face that
> may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, but I'm
> committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel lesson; a hesitant
> step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the cane. Third: learning
> Braille; writing with a Braille slate and stylus; fingers reading a thick
> Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring water from a large pitcher into a small
> glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop
> needle threader; using a sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the
> screen showing what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what
> she keys in. "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an
> electric hand drill.
>
> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling about
> your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>
> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to pick-up
> on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can fly!"
>
> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>
> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his sleepshade
> down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong grip, he explores
> a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into a Braille slate; reading
> a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth: checking meat on a hot charcoal
> grill. Fifth: threading a self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a
> man's shirt. Sixth: keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar
> logo, and from the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a
> circular saw; sanding a newly built picnic table.
>
>  "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the grand
> prize home?"
>
> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this challenge
> to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a form of
> preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory. But the game
> is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life goes on and you
> just use alternative methods to be successful."
>
> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet. "Though
> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll be
> waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes all! And
> the clock starts now!"
>
> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers reading
> their instructions.
>
> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. Simon
> turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty turns left,
> north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, cane flashing in
> the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  9 13:50:34 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 08:50:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Plug and Braille with HandyTech Easy Braille!
Message-ID: <07D57E3A5A524B77AB8DE13A03635DFA@davee984e49f02>

      Monday, March 09, 2009
      For Immediate Distribution
     
      Sales contact:
      Earle Harrison
      651-636-5184 ext 801
      earle at handytech.us
      
       
     
      Plug and Braille with Handy Tech Easy Braille!
      On December 11, 2008, Serotek announced via the Serotek blog their endorsement of the Accessibility Anywhere Based Braille Display petition to Braille display manufacturers created and written by George McDermith. This petition urges Braille display manufacturers to do-away with proprietary drivers and instead use standard, mainstream technologies that will drive these devices regardless of the screen reader being used.

      As an avid Braille reader myself, I am proud to be a signer of this petition. We at Handy Tech North America support Mr. McDermith's efforts with respect to this matter and in order to demonstrate our commitment to the cause, we are pleased to announce the Handy Tech Plug and Braille initiative with the introduction of Easy Braille with HID support.

      HID stands for Human Interface Device and is the open standard for plug and play devices such as keyboards and mice. The HID protocol requires no separate software installations in order for these devices to work. Now Braille readers can simply plug-in their Handy Tech Easy Braille with HID support and gain immediate Braille access regardless of their chosen screen reader.  

      Although Easy Braille with HID support has been several months in the making prior to Mr. McDermith's petition, his timing is perfect as it affords Handy Tech the opportunity to demonstrate that we are once again on the leading edge when it comes to giving customers the tools they need when they need them.

      For over a year now, Handy Tech customers have enjoyed the ability to walk up to one of millions of Apple computers and gain immediate grade two Braille access simply by plugging in their Handy Tech Braille display.
      Handy Tech is pleased to now offer the same freedom of access on the Microsoft Windows side or on any other platform that supports the HID protocol.

      Combine this new Plug and Braille development with the high quality and ergonomic design for which Handy Tech products are known worldwide, and enjoy a flexible and reliable Braille solution for many years to come in the Handy Tech Easy Braille.

      "I don't believe that people should be penalized because of the screen reader they use," says Sigi Kipke, Managing Director of Handy Tech GmbH in Horb, Germany, the manufacturers of Handy Tech Braille products. Kipke further stresses the importance of access to portable electronic Braille by stating that Braille products should not be viewed as some obscure technology used by just a few blind people, rather it should be viewed as a progressive and innovative technology that gives Braille readers the same advantages and opportunities as print readers.

      Although Easy Braille with HID support is slated for release in May of 2009, Handy Tech representatives from both European and North American offices will be demonstrating this exciting new development at this year's California State University Northridge Center on Disabilities 24th Annual Technology and Persons with Disabilities Conference, otherwise known as CSUN.

      Please join us in the exhibit hall at booth 302 of the Marriott LAX hotel where we will be enthusiastically demonstrating the following products:

        a.. Easy Braille with new HID support. 
        b.. The new Handy Tech Braille driver for Nuance Talks which allows for the input of grade two Braille among other things. 
        c.. The powerful netbook computer and Braille display options available from Handy Tech North America which does away with the out-dated notion that technology for blind people must be based on a closed and proprietary platform. 
        d.. Last but not least, the latest developments around the exciting Active Tactile Control (ATC) technologies that actually senses the user's fingers on the Braille display and responds accordingly based on reading behaviors. This ground breaking technology is useful for Braille readers of all skill levels. 
      If you have questions about these or other adaptive technology solutions available from Handy Tech North America, please contact our sales office at: 651-636-5184 or e-mail: sales at handytech.us.

      Handy Tech North America, once again living up to our slogan "It's all about adapting!"
     

 

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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  9 13:59:00 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 09:59:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
	Challenge:The Reality Show
References: <D2CD372E01444258BA8BE634364BB378@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <001301c9a0bf$33b09ce0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I think this would be a wonderful idea. I think it would help sited people 
gain a better understanding of how we do things.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness 
Challenge:The Reality Show


> NABS
> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>
> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
> contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills. There 
> are
> challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what you think; is
> there value in this shows concept? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it
> follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site 
> for
> all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish 
> to
> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
> newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
> The Reality Show
>
> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On screen 
> a
> tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, cordless
> microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week four, the
> final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students will have 
> their
> final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their challenge assignment
> first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman,
> twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows 
> a
> petit blonde woman with a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes
> and upper face. She stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests
> easily at her side.)
>
> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown, 32,
> married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college." (The
> screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, skin 
> tone;
> standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his eyebrows in 
> the
> crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below the black of the 
> sleepshade
> shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>
> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to date,
> allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully sighted
> participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed to wear
> sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same blindness
> skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is simple--if you don't
> excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the best."
>
> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness from
> that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>
> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her face 
> that
> may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, but I'm
> committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel lesson; a hesitant
> step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the cane. Third: learning
> Braille; writing with a Braille slate and stylus; fingers reading a thick
> Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring water from a large pitcher into a small
> glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop
> needle threader; using a sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, 
> the
> screen showing what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what
> she keys in. "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an
> electric hand drill.
>
> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling 
> about
> your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>
> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to 
> pick-up
> on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can fly!"
>
> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>
> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his 
> sleepshade
> down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong grip, he 
> explores
> a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into a Braille slate; 
> reading
> a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth: checking meat on a hot charcoal
> grill. Fifth: threading a self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto 
> a
> man's shirt. Sixth: keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar
> logo, and from the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a
> circular saw; sanding a newly built picnic table.
>
> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the grand
> prize home?"
>
> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this 
> challenge
> to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a form of
> preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory. But the 
> game
> is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life goes on and you
> just use alternative methods to be successful."
>
> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet. 
> "Though
> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll be
> waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes all! 
> And
> the clock starts now!"
>
> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers 
> reading
> their instructions.
>
> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. Simon
> turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty turns left,
> north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, cane flashing in
> the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
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From sarah at growingstrong.org  Mon Mar  9 16:08:53 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 12:08:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
	BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
References: <D2CD372E01444258BA8BE634364BB378@D78R0TG1>
	<001301c9a0bf$33b09ce0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <54D56B1F0C354BDBBBCF029C5B526D47@TINYLAPTOP>

I think it is a horrible idea. The idea of voting  people out who aren't 
"good enough" at coping makes me sick, not to mention the NFB-only mindset. 
Blind people are not automatons, and we don't all do things in the same way. 
It would just reinforce the idea that we are so brave and wonderful for 
coping with something so hard.

Sarah J. Blake
Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org
jttp://www.growingstrong.org 


I'm protected by SpamBrave
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Mon Mar  9 21:04:04 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:04:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] March Madness with Mobile Geo
Message-ID: <E0252EB09CC4499982719A0C44CA56C7@davee984e49f02>

In order to continue and maintain our motto, "it's all about adapting," HandyTech North America would like to celebrate the latest release of Mobile Geo GPS, version 1.5 by offering a $100.00 discount. Through March 31st, interested customers can purchase Mobile Geo for $795.00. An additional $50 discount will be offered to those interested in purchasing Mobile Geo as a software bundle with either MobileSpeak SmartPhone or MobileSpeak Pocket. This is a total $150.00 in savings for a truly innovative software bundle developed by Codefactory and SenderoGroup and brought to you by HandyTech North America.

In the latest version of Mobile Geo, one can expect improvements including: an increased number of points of interests,  access to the GPS application interface via Microsoft Voice Command, a pedometer, and an improved search interface. 

 


For more information about this and other innovative adaptive technology products, contact Handy Tech North America at:

651-636-5184

Or send e-mail to:

sales at handytech.us

Handy Tech North America, living up to our slogan "It's all about adapting!".

 


Best Regards:
David Wright

Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com
Mobile: 512-203-2474

http://www.knfbreader.com

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Tue Mar 10 04:11:53 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:11:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The
	Virtual	BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
In-Reply-To: <54D56B1F0C354BDBBBCF029C5B526D47@TINYLAPTOP>
References: <D2CD372E01444258BA8BE634364BB378@D78R0TG1>
	<001301c9a0bf$33b09ce0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<54D56B1F0C354BDBBBCF029C5B526D47@TINYLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20090310001153.ikbwcvmrs4gk4s8w@webmail.utoronto.ca>

That's a good oint, Sarah. I never thought of it that way ...


Quoting "Sarah J. Blake" <sarah at growingstrong.org>:

> I think it is a horrible idea. The idea of voting  people out who
> aren't "good enough" at coping makes me sick, not to mention the
> NFB-only mindset. Blind people are not automatons, and we don't all do
> things in the same way. It would just reinforce the idea that we are so
> brave and wonderful for coping with something so hard.
>
> Sarah J. Blake
> Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org
> jttp://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave
> http://www.spambrave.com/
>
>
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From jmassay1 at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 02:45:01 2009
From: jmassay1 at cox.net (JMassay)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:45:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Barnes and Noble Book Fair March 27th,
	28th and 29th.  and
Message-ID: <DF4328BC46A54CDD917A317209F73127@MERLIN>

Book Fair at Barnes and Noble! Hosted by:

Central Oklahoma Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma

 

Please pass the below e-mail to everyone you know.  We are raising funds for
an extremely important cause.Braille literacy.  

Thanks for your help, 

 

Jeannie Massay 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: JMassay [mailto:jmassay1 at cox.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:18 PM
To: 'Mildred McEver'
Subject: FW: Barnes and Noble Book Fair March 27th, 28th and 29th. and 

 

Book Fair at Barnes and Noble! Hosted by:

Central Oklahoma Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma

 

Please pass the below e-mail to everyone you know.  We are raising funds for
an extremely important cause.Braille literacy.  

Thanks for your help, 

 

Jeannie Massay 

 

  _____  

From: JMassay [mailto:jmassay1 at cox.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM
To: 'brl-coordinators-bounces at nfbnet.org'
Subject: Barnes and Noble Book Fair March 27th, 28th and 29th. and 

 

Greetings to all Braille Coordinators, 

 

.  I wish you success in the events that you are planning in your chapters
and affiliates.  Please support us in our efforts to raise money for Braille
literacy in Oklahoma.  The Central Oklahoma Chapter of the Oklahoma
Affiliate will be hosting a book fair at Barnes and Noble for three days.  

 

Sales rung up with this identifying number: Book fair ID 497057, will result
in our chapter receiving a percentage back in the form of a check!  

 

In addition to opportunities to hand out information about the Braille coin
and Braille literacy program, we will be hosting a Children's reading hour
with a Braille reader reading, A birthday party for Louis Braille and a
"Meet the dog guides event, we will also be brailing and engaging anyone who
walks into the store. 

 

Merchandise, books, and anything else that they sell along with sales from
the Starbuck's located inside any store that is given this number will go
towards our total.  Please help.  Send this e-mail to everyone you know and
if you need anything from Barnes and Noble, great gift ideas, buy on the
27th, 28th, or 29th. 

 

Thanks and I wish success for us all. 

Jeannie Massay 


From nicolas.lagace at humanware.com  Wed Mar 11 08:01:35 2009
From: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com (HumanWare)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:01:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] HumanWare and ReadHowYouWant Join Forces to Bring Books to
 Visually Impaired Readers
Message-ID: <auto-000092476195@mailfront2.g2host.com>

HUMANWARE AND READHOWYOUWANT JOIN FORCES TO BRING BOOKS TO VISUALLY 
IMPAIRED READERS

[This announcement is displayed in text only for accessibility with 
Braille Notetakers. A web version is available at: 
http://www.humanware.com/en-canada/about_us/press_releases/2009_press_releases/humanware_and_readhowyouwant_join_forces]

Longueuil, Quebec, March 10, 2009 -- HumanWare, the leader in 
assistive technologies for people with print disability, and digital 
publishing innovator ReadHowYouWant are partnering to help visually 
impaired readers discover the book reading device, and the format 
that's right for their reading needs.
ReadHowYouWant offers thousands of books in accessible formats, 
including 24 pt. large print, braille, and DAISY files at 
www.readhowyouwant.com. HumanWare provides playback devices for 
readers who are blind or have low vision to use with braille and 
DAISY files at www.humanware.com. "From the moment it appeared on the 
market, the Victor Reader Stream has proven itself to be the greatest 
portable DAISY book reading device ever. Today we are proud to team 
up with Read How You Want. We invite all readers to take a look at 
the selection of books they have to offer. Reading should always be 
an enjoyable experience. We hope that our customers will regularly 
visit our new website where they will be able to check out new DAISY 
book releases. Pass the word around!" says HumanWare CEO Gilles Pepin.

Beginning in April, readers will be able to go to the HumanWare 
website to download free, first chapters of 20 bestselling 
ReadHowYouWant titles each month as part of the "Free Chapter 
Download Program." The free, first chapters come from popular books 
from a variety of well-known publishers of adult and young adult 
books, including Wiley, Random House Australia, Murdoch Books, and 
Weekly Reader. The first month's selected titles will include such 
best sellers as, The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle (New World 
Library), "Praise Song for the Day," the inauguration poem by 
Elizabeth Alexander (Graywolf Press), and Leadership and 
Self-Deception by the Arbinger Institute (Berrett-Kohler), as well as 
children's and young adult titles to include, How to Take the GRRRR 
Out of Anger by Marjorie Lisovskis and Elizabeth Verdick (Free Spirit 
Publishing), and Extreme Habitats: Mountain Survival by Susie Hodge 
(Weekly Reader). After enjoying the complimentary first chapter, 
readers may visit ReadHowYouWant's website at www.readhowyouwant.com 
to purchase the entire file.

ReadHowYouWant will be demoing HumanWare's devices at book industry 
events such as the Frankfurt Book Fair, the London Book Fair, and 
Book Expo America. Similarly, HumanWare will present braille and 
DAISY files from ReadHowYouWant's collection on their players at 
technology industry shows, including CSUN and ATIA (Assistive 
Technologies Industry Association) conferences.

ReadHowYouWant produces Grade 2 contracted braille files, and has 
developed a house style that supports automated transcription while 
maintaining accuracy. These files may be read with a refreshable 
electronic braille display such as the Humanware Braillenote or 
Brailliant or embossed to make traditional braille books. Words are 
not split at line ends to make reading easier, particularly for newer 
braille readers.

About HumanWare

HumanWare is the global leader in assistive technologies for vision, 
including products for the blind and visually impaired. HumanWare's 
products include BrailleNote, the leading productivity device for 
blind people in education, in business and in their personal lives; 
the Victor Reader product line, the world's leading digital talking 
book players; and myReader2, the new version of HumanWare's unique 
"auto-reader" for people with low vision. For more information visit 
www.humanware.com

About ReadHowYouWant

ReadHowYouWant Pty Ltd and its R&D parent company, Accessible 
Publishing Systems Pty Ltd are both Sydney, Australia-based privately 
held companies founded in 2004 by electronic publishing pioneers 
Christopher Stephen and Greg Duncan. When Chris's sister, who suffers 
from MS, developed difficulty reading, they began experimenting to 
determine whether people with reading difficulties could benefit from 
changing the text format.

After more than four years of testing, ReadHowYouWant has 
successfully developed award-winning conversion technology that 
reformats existing books into the widest selection of on-demand, 
alternative format editions on the market today. Each edition has 
been optimized for maximum readability. The company's goals are to 
make reading easier and more enjoyable by delivering formats that 
suit the reader and to give people with reading difficulties access 
to books in the formats of their choice-at an affordable price, and 
as soon as the book is published. For more information visit 
www.readhowyouwant.com.




Contact:
Bradi Grebien-Samkow: bradi at readhowyouwant.com
503-922-0778

Contact:
Julien Larose: julien.larose at humanware.com
888-723-7273 x357




From stephen at independentliving.com  Thu Mar 12 19:05:35 2009
From: stephen at independentliving.com (Stephen Guerra)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:05:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ADV: Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
Message-ID: <auto-000089198892@mailfront1.g2host.com>

TALKS for Verizon Wireless Offers Mobile Accessibility to Blind and 
Visually Impaired Customers

Available Initially on the MOTO Q 9c, TALKS for Verizon Wireless 
Gives Blind and Visually Impaired Customers Audio Feedback Support 
for Writing and Reading Text Messages, E-Mail and Notes

BASKING RIDGE, N.J., March 12 /PRNewswire/ -- The owner and operator 
of the nation's most reliable wireless network announced today the 
availability of TALKS(TM) for Verizon Wireless -- a new assistive 
technology that converts displayed text into highly intelligible 
speech for Verizon Wireless customers who are blind or visually 
impaired. Available initially on MOTO(TM) Q 9c smartphones beginning 
March 15, TALKS for Verizon Wireless supports audio feedback for 
writing and reading text messages, e-mail and notes.

Powered by Nuance Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NUAN), TALKS for 
Verizon Wireless uses ETI-Eloquence text-to-speech software -- 
similar to other screen-reading packages on Windows(R) PC platforms 
-- to offer visually impaired and blind customers instant familiarity 
and the highest intelligibility. With the TALKS application, the MOTO 
Q 9c from Verizon Wireless can:

Read the caller ID of an incoming call
Dial a number from the phone's Contacts directory
Add and edit entries in the Contacts directory
Read and write text messages and e-mail
Read and write documents using Mobile Office
Access and compose multimedia message service (MMS) messages
Use Mobile Internet Explorer to access the Internet
Control speech volume and rate of speech

"The TALKS application helps Verizon Wireless provide the best 
wireless experience for our customers who are visually impaired," 
said Jeffrey Dietel, vice president - marketing operations for 
Verizon Wireless. "TALKS for Verizon Wireless turns the MOTO Q 9c 
smartphone into a communications tool that will help customers with 
impaired vision stay connected to family, friends and colleagues 
through methods beyond voice calls."

The MOTO Q 9c with TALKS for Verizon Wireless will be available 
online at www.verizonwireless.com on Sunday for $249.99 after a $70 
online instant rebate with a new two-year customer agreement. 
Existing MOTO Q 9c customers who wish to add the TALKS application 
should contact Verizon Wireless Customer Service at 800-922-0204.

Customers can learn more about TALKS for Verizon Wireless by visiting 
www.verizonwireless.com/accessibility. For more information about 
Verizon Wireless products and services, visit a Verizon Wireless 
Communications Store, call 1-800-2 JOIN IN or go to www.verizonwireless.com.

About Verizon Wireless

Verizon Wireless operates the nation's most reliable and largest 
wireless voice and data network, serving more than 80 million 
customers. Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., with more than 
85,000 employees nationwide, Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of 
Verizon Communications (NYSE: VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD). 
For more information, visit www.verizonwireless.com. To preview and 
request broadcast-quality video footage and high-resolution stills of 
Verizon Wireless operations, log on to the Verizon Wireless 
Multimedia Library at www.verizonwireless.com/multimedia.

TALKS(TM) is a trademark of Nuance Communications, Inc. and/or its 
licensors and is used under license.

SOURCE Verizon Wireless

Link:
<http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE>http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE=


Stephen A. Guerra
Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations

Independent Living Aids LLC

200 Robbins Lane
Building A, Suite 100
Jericho, NY 11753
Phone: (800) 537-2118-x3817
Direct Fax: (516) 450-3842

<http://allthingsilatech.blogspot.com>Read the All Things ILA Tech Blog

<http://twitter.com/TheILATechie>Follow me on Twitter and see what i'm doing

<http://www.independentliving.com>Visit Independent Living Aids on the Web

<http://www.soundbytes.com>Visit Soundbytes on the Web





From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Thu Mar 12 15:31:07 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:31:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [MSP] Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
Message-ID: <49b92aa0.47c1f10a.0646.ffff8950@mx.google.com>

I thought this might be interesting to some. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 
Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March
for Independence:
http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
m&fr_id=1050 



 
Available Initially on the MOTO Q 9c, TALKS for Verizon Wireless Gives Blind
and Visually Impaired Customers Audio Feedback Support for Writing and
Reading Text Messages, E-Mail and Notes BASKING RIDGE, N.J., March 12
/PRNewswire/ -- The owner and operator of the nation's most reliable
wireless network announced today the availability of
TALKS(TM) for Verizon Wireless -- a new assistive technology that converts
displayed text into highly intelligible speech for Verizon Wireless
customers who are blind or visually impaired. Available initially on
MOTO(TM) Q 9c smartphones beginning March 15, TALKS for Verizon Wireless
supports audio feedback for writing and reading text messages, e-mail and
notes. 

Powered by Nuance Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NUAN), TALKS for Verizon
Wireless uses ETI-Eloquence text-to-speech software -- similar to other
screen-reading packages on Windows(R) PC platforms
-- to offer visually impaired and blind customers instant familiarity and
the highest intelligibility. With the TALKS application, the MOTO Q 9c from
Verizon Wireless can:

Read the caller ID of an incoming call 

Dial a number from the phone's Contacts directory 

Add and edit entries in the Contacts directory 

Read and write text messages and e-mail 

Read and write documents using Mobile Office 

Access and compose multimedia message service (MMS) messages 

Use Mobile Internet Explorer to access the Internet 

Control speech volume and rate of speech "The TALKS application helps
Verizon Wireless provide the best wireless experience for our customers who
are visually impaired,"
said Jeffrey Dietel, vice president - marketing operations for Verizon
Wireless. "TALKS for Verizon Wireless turns the MOTO Q 9c smartphone into a
communications tool that will help customers with impaired vision stay
connected to family, friends and colleagues through methods beyond voice
calls."
The MOTO Q 9c with TALKS for Verizon Wireless will be available online at
www.verizonwireless.com on Sunday for $249.99 after a $70 online instant
rebate with a new two-year customer agreement.
Existing MOTO Q 9c customers who wish to add the TALKS application should
contact Verizon Wireless Customer Service at 800-922-0204. 

Customers can learn more about TALKS for Verizon Wireless by visiting
www.verizonwireless.com/accessibility. For more information about Verizon
Wireless products and services, visit a Verizon Wireless Communications
Store, call 1-800-2 JOIN IN or go to www.verizonwireless.com. 

About Verizon Wireless
Verizon Wireless operates the nation's most reliable and largest wireless
voice and data network, serving more than 80 million customers.
Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., with more than 85,000 employees
nationwide, Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of Verizon Communications
(NYSE: VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD). For more information, visit
www.verizonwireless.com. To preview and request broadcast-quality video
footage and high-resolution stills of Verizon Wireless operations, log on to
the Verizon Wireless Multimedia Library at
www.verizonwireless.com/multimedia.

TALKS(TM) is a trademark of Nuance Communications, Inc. and/or its licensors
and is used under license.

SOURCE Verizon Wireless
Link:

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104
<http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
Y=/www/s
tory/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE>
&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE=


From cnaylor073 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 13 08:14:18 2009
From: cnaylor073 at gmail.com (Christina Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:14:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice on the go question
Message-ID: <54f02f10903130114y4a835e16i496a6e6cfd572481@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
Christina
Hey all,
I'm trying to sign up for the free 15 day trial for voice on the go
and it keeps giving me email server issues.  Do you know if you need
outlook express to use this?  I keep setting the settings in my g mail
and g mail says pop is enabled for all mail but it still gives me
errors.  I'm already signed up I just need to finish creating my
account.


From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Fri Mar 13 21:15:35 2009
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:15:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare books not opening
Message-ID: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>

Hi all,

Here is a bookshare question I can use some help for.

I use BookShare in conjunction with Kurzweil. I am downloading books that I can not open. The book title appears as a subfolder in the downloads folder
in Kurzweil. I can not access the folder in Windows explorer. I get a message saying "the compressed zip folder is invalid, or corrupted." I get similar
results with Kurzweil. 

One title where this happens is 101 Ways to Answer the Toughest Interview Questions. I would appreciate any assistance you can direct to the list.

Thanks,

Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.

Customer Service Representative
National Braille Press
1800 548-read, ext 40.
aguimaraes at nbp.org

From jbrastrup at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 13 22:49:16 2009
From: jbrastrup at yahoo.com (jamie brastrup)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] going back to school
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1236963602.30361.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <28098.18957.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hi all
in the fall i am going to be going back to school for a bachelors of arts in social science. is there anyone out there that is getting that same degree that i can network with? 
i am going to boise state university. 
thanks jamie

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Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 29, Issue 12
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Today's Topics:

   1. ADV: Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
      (Stephen Guerra)
   2. FW: [MSP] Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
      (Liz Bottner)
   3. Voice on the go question (Christina Mitchell)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:05:35 -0400
From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen at independentliving.com> (by way
of
	David	Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
Subject: [nabs-l] ADV: Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Message-ID: <auto-000089198892 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

TALKS for Verizon Wireless Offers Mobile Accessibility to Blind and 
Visually Impaired Customers

Available Initially on the MOTO Q 9c, TALKS for Verizon Wireless 
Gives Blind and Visually Impaired Customers Audio Feedback Support 
for Writing and Reading Text Messages, E-Mail and Notes

BASKING RIDGE, N.J., March 12 /PRNewswire/ -- The owner and operator 
of the nation's most reliable wireless network announced today the 
availability of TALKS(TM) for Verizon Wireless -- a new assistive 
technology that converts displayed text into highly intelligible 
speech for Verizon Wireless customers who are blind or visually 
impaired. Available initially on MOTO(TM) Q 9c smartphones beginning 
March 15, TALKS for Verizon Wireless supports audio feedback for 
writing and reading text messages, e-mail and notes.

Powered by Nuance Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NUAN), TALKS for 
Verizon Wireless uses ETI-Eloquence text-to-speech software -- 
similar to other screen-reading packages on Windows(R) PC platforms 
-- to offer visually impaired and blind customers instant familiarity 
and the highest intelligibility. With the TALKS application, the MOTO 
Q 9c from Verizon Wireless can:

Read the caller ID of an incoming call
Dial a number from the phone's Contacts directory
Add and edit entries in the Contacts directory
Read and write text messages and e-mail
Read and write documents using Mobile Office
Access and compose multimedia message service (MMS) messages
Use Mobile Internet Explorer to access the Internet
Control speech volume and rate of speech

"The TALKS application helps Verizon Wireless provide the best 
wireless experience for our customers who are visually impaired," 
said Jeffrey Dietel, vice president - marketing operations for 
Verizon Wireless. "TALKS for Verizon Wireless turns the MOTO Q 9c 
smartphone into a communications tool that will help customers with 
impaired vision stay connected to family, friends and colleagues 
through methods beyond voice calls."

The MOTO Q 9c with TALKS for Verizon Wireless will be available 
online at www.verizonwireless.com on Sunday for $249.99 after a $70 
online instant rebate with a new two-year customer agreement. 
Existing MOTO Q 9c customers who wish to add the TALKS application 
should contact Verizon Wireless Customer Service at 800-922-0204.

Customers can learn more about TALKS for Verizon Wireless by visiting 
www.verizonwireless.com/accessibility. For more information about 
Verizon Wireless products and services, visit a Verizon Wireless 
Communications Store, call 1-800-2 JOIN IN or go to www.verizonwireless.com.

About Verizon Wireless

Verizon Wireless operates the nation's most reliable and largest 
wireless voice and data network, serving more than 80 million 
customers. Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., with more than 
85,000 employees nationwide, Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of 
Verizon Communications (NYSE: VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD). 
For more information, visit www.verizonwireless.com. To preview and 
request broadcast-quality video footage and high-resolution stills of 
Verizon Wireless operations, log on to the Verizon Wireless 
Multimedia Library at www.verizonwireless.com/multimedia.

TALKS(TM) is a trademark of Nuance Communications, Inc. and/or its 
licensors and is used under license.

SOURCE Verizon Wireless

Link:
<http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE>http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE=


Stephen A. Guerra
Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations

Independent Living Aids LLC

200 Robbins Lane
Building A, Suite 100
Jericho, NY 11753
Phone: (800) 537-2118-x3817
Direct Fax: (516) 450-3842

<http://allthingsilatech.blogspot.com>Read the All Things ILA Tech Blog

<http://twitter.com/TheILATechie>Follow me on Twitter and see what
i'm doing

<http://www.independentliving.com>Visit Independent Living Aids on the
Web

<http://www.soundbytes.com>Visit Soundbytes on the Web






------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:31:07 -0400
From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [MSP] Verizon wireless Press Release regarding
	Talks
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <49b92aa0.47c1f10a.0646.ffff8950 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

I thought this might be interesting to some. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com?
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 
Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March
for Independence:
http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
m&fr_id=1050 



 
Available Initially on the MOTO Q 9c, TALKS for Verizon Wireless Gives Blind
and Visually Impaired Customers Audio Feedback Support for Writing and
Reading Text Messages, E-Mail and Notes BASKING RIDGE, N.J., March 12
/PRNewswire/ -- The owner and operator of the nation's most reliable
wireless network announced today the availability of
TALKS(TM) for Verizon Wireless -- a new assistive technology that converts
displayed text into highly intelligible speech for Verizon Wireless
customers who are blind or visually impaired. Available initially on
MOTO(TM) Q 9c smartphones beginning March 15, TALKS for Verizon Wireless
supports audio feedback for writing and reading text messages, e-mail and
notes. 

Powered by Nuance Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NUAN), TALKS for Verizon
Wireless uses ETI-Eloquence text-to-speech software -- similar to other
screen-reading packages on Windows(R) PC platforms
-- to offer visually impaired and blind customers instant familiarity and
the highest intelligibility. With the TALKS application, the MOTO Q 9c from
Verizon Wireless can:

Read the caller ID of an incoming call 

Dial a number from the phone's Contacts directory 

Add and edit entries in the Contacts directory 

Read and write text messages and e-mail 

Read and write documents using Mobile Office 

Access and compose multimedia message service (MMS) messages 

Use Mobile Internet Explorer to access the Internet 

Control speech volume and rate of speech "The TALKS application helps
Verizon Wireless provide the best wireless experience for our customers who
are visually impaired,"
said Jeffrey Dietel, vice president - marketing operations for Verizon
Wireless. "TALKS for Verizon Wireless turns the MOTO Q 9c smartphone into
a
communications tool that will help customers with impaired vision stay
connected to family, friends and colleagues through methods beyond voice
calls."
The MOTO Q 9c with TALKS for Verizon Wireless will be available online at
www.verizonwireless.com on Sunday for $249.99 after a $70 online instant
rebate with a new two-year customer agreement.
Existing MOTO Q 9c customers who wish to add the TALKS application should
contact Verizon Wireless Customer Service at 800-922-0204. 

Customers can learn more about TALKS for Verizon Wireless by visiting
www.verizonwireless.com/accessibility. For more information about Verizon
Wireless products and services, visit a Verizon Wireless Communications
Store, call 1-800-2 JOIN IN or go to www.verizonwireless.com. 

About Verizon Wireless
Verizon Wireless operates the nation's most reliable and largest wireless
voice and data network, serving more than 80 million customers.
Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., with more than 85,000 employees
nationwide, Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of Verizon Communications
(NYSE: VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD). For more information, visit
www.verizonwireless.com. To preview and request broadcast-quality video
footage and high-resolution stills of Verizon Wireless operations, log on to
the Verizon Wireless Multimedia Library at
www.verizonwireless.com/multimedia.

TALKS(TM) is a trademark of Nuance Communications, Inc. and/or its licensors
and is used under license.

SOURCE Verizon Wireless
Link:

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104
<http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
Y=/www/s
tory/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE>
&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE=



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:14:18 -0400
From: Christina Mitchell <cnaylor073 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice on the go question
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Message-ID:
	<54f02f10903130114y4a835e16i496a6e6cfd572481 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

-- 
Christina
Hey all,
I'm trying to sign up for the free 15 day trial for voice on the go
and it keeps giving me email server issues.  Do you know if you need
outlook express to use this?  I keep setting the settings in my g mail
and g mail says pop is enabled for all mail but it still gives me
errors.  I'm already signed up I just need to finish creating my
account.



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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Mar 13 23:55:47 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:55:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] going back to school
References: <28098.18957.qm@web54003.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002201c9a437$3b8e0710$0501a8c0@Serene>

Hi Jamie

I already got mine.  My major was Soceology and my minor was Social Justice.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jamie brastrup" <jbrastrup at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] going back to school


> hi all
> in the fall i am going to be going back to school for a bachelors of arts 
> in social science. is there anyone out there that is getting that same 
> degree that i can network with?
> i am going to boise state university.
> thanks jamie
>
> --- On Fri, 3/13/09, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org <nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> From: nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org <nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 29, Issue 12
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:00 AM
>
> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. ADV: Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
>      (Stephen Guerra)
>   2. FW: [MSP] Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
>      (Liz Bottner)
>   3. Voice on the go question (Christina Mitchell)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:05:35 -0400
> From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen at independentliving.com> (by way
> of
> David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
> Subject: [nabs-l] ADV: Verizon wireless Press Release regarding Talks
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Message-ID: <auto-000089198892 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> TALKS for Verizon Wireless Offers Mobile Accessibility to Blind and
> Visually Impaired Customers
>
> Available Initially on the MOTO Q 9c, TALKS for Verizon Wireless
> Gives Blind and Visually Impaired Customers Audio Feedback Support
> for Writing and Reading Text Messages, E-Mail and Notes
>
> BASKING RIDGE, N.J., March 12 /PRNewswire/ -- The owner and operator
> of the nation's most reliable wireless network announced today the
> availability of TALKS(TM) for Verizon Wireless -- a new assistive
> technology that converts displayed text into highly intelligible
> speech for Verizon Wireless customers who are blind or visually
> impaired. Available initially on MOTO(TM) Q 9c smartphones beginning
> March 15, TALKS for Verizon Wireless supports audio feedback for
> writing and reading text messages, e-mail and notes.
>
> Powered by Nuance Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NUAN), TALKS for
> Verizon Wireless uses ETI-Eloquence text-to-speech software -- 
> similar to other screen-reading packages on Windows(R) PC platforms
> -- to offer visually impaired and blind customers instant familiarity
> and the highest intelligibility. With the TALKS application, the MOTO
> Q 9c from Verizon Wireless can:
>
> Read the caller ID of an incoming call
> Dial a number from the phone's Contacts directory
> Add and edit entries in the Contacts directory
> Read and write text messages and e-mail
> Read and write documents using Mobile Office
> Access and compose multimedia message service (MMS) messages
> Use Mobile Internet Explorer to access the Internet
> Control speech volume and rate of speech
>
> "The TALKS application helps Verizon Wireless provide the best
> wireless experience for our customers who are visually impaired,"
> said Jeffrey Dietel, vice president - marketing operations for
> Verizon Wireless. "TALKS for Verizon Wireless turns the MOTO Q 9c
> smartphone into a communications tool that will help customers with
> impaired vision stay connected to family, friends and colleagues
> through methods beyond voice calls."
>
> The MOTO Q 9c with TALKS for Verizon Wireless will be available
> online at www.verizonwireless.com on Sunday for $249.99 after a $70
> online instant rebate with a new two-year customer agreement.
> Existing MOTO Q 9c customers who wish to add the TALKS application
> should contact Verizon Wireless Customer Service at 800-922-0204.
>
> Customers can learn more about TALKS for Verizon Wireless by visiting
> www.verizonwireless.com/accessibility. For more information about
> Verizon Wireless products and services, visit a Verizon Wireless
> Communications Store, call 1-800-2 JOIN IN or go to 
> www.verizonwireless.com.
>
> About Verizon Wireless
>
> Verizon Wireless operates the nation's most reliable and largest
> wireless voice and data network, serving more than 80 million
> customers. Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., with more than
> 85,000 employees nationwide, Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of
> Verizon Communications (NYSE: VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD).
> For more information, visit www.verizonwireless.com. To preview and
> request broadcast-quality video footage and high-resolution stills of
> Verizon Wireless operations, log on to the Verizon Wireless
> Multimedia Library at www.verizonwireless.com/multimedia.
>
> TALKS(TM) is a trademark of Nuance Communications, Inc. and/or its
> licensors and is used under license.
>
> SOURCE Verizon Wireless
>
> Link:
> <http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE>http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE=
>
>
> Stephen A. Guerra
> Assistive Technology Specialist and Technical Operations
>
> Independent Living Aids LLC
>
> 200 Robbins Lane
> Building A, Suite 100
> Jericho, NY 11753
> Phone: (800) 537-2118-x3817
> Direct Fax: (516) 450-3842
>
> <http://allthingsilatech.blogspot.com>Read the All Things ILA Tech Blog
>
> <http://twitter.com/TheILATechie>Follow me on Twitter and see what
> i'm doing
>
> <http://www.independentliving.com>Visit Independent Living Aids on the
> Web
>
> <http://www.soundbytes.com>Visit Soundbytes on the Web
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:31:07 -0400
> From: "Liz Bottner" <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [MSP] Verizon wireless Press Release regarding
> Talks
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID: <49b92aa0.47c1f10a.0646.ffff8950 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I thought this might be interesting to some.
>
> Liz
>
> email:
> liz.bottner at gmail.com
> Visit my livejournal:
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com?
> Follow me on Twitter:
> http://twitter.com/lizbot
> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the 
> March
> for Independence:
> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
> m&fr_id=1050
>
>
>
>
> Available Initially on the MOTO Q 9c, TALKS for Verizon Wireless Gives 
> Blind
> and Visually Impaired Customers Audio Feedback Support for Writing and
> Reading Text Messages, E-Mail and Notes BASKING RIDGE, N.J., March 12
> /PRNewswire/ -- The owner and operator of the nation's most reliable
> wireless network announced today the availability of
> TALKS(TM) for Verizon Wireless -- a new assistive technology that converts
> displayed text into highly intelligible speech for Verizon Wireless
> customers who are blind or visually impaired. Available initially on
> MOTO(TM) Q 9c smartphones beginning March 15, TALKS for Verizon Wireless
> supports audio feedback for writing and reading text messages, e-mail and
> notes.
>
> Powered by Nuance Communications, Inc. (Nasdaq: NUAN), TALKS for Verizon
> Wireless uses ETI-Eloquence text-to-speech software -- similar to other
> screen-reading packages on Windows(R) PC platforms
> -- to offer visually impaired and blind customers instant familiarity and
> the highest intelligibility. With the TALKS application, the MOTO Q 9c 
> from
> Verizon Wireless can:
>
> Read the caller ID of an incoming call
>
> Dial a number from the phone's Contacts directory
>
> Add and edit entries in the Contacts directory
>
> Read and write text messages and e-mail
>
> Read and write documents using Mobile Office
>
> Access and compose multimedia message service (MMS) messages
>
> Use Mobile Internet Explorer to access the Internet
>
> Control speech volume and rate of speech "The TALKS application helps
> Verizon Wireless provide the best wireless experience for our customers 
> who
> are visually impaired,"
> said Jeffrey Dietel, vice president - marketing operations for Verizon
> Wireless. "TALKS for Verizon Wireless turns the MOTO Q 9c smartphone into
> a
> communications tool that will help customers with impaired vision stay
> connected to family, friends and colleagues through methods beyond voice
> calls."
> The MOTO Q 9c with TALKS for Verizon Wireless will be available online at
> www.verizonwireless.com on Sunday for $249.99 after a $70 online instant
> rebate with a new two-year customer agreement.
> Existing MOTO Q 9c customers who wish to add the TALKS application should
> contact Verizon Wireless Customer Service at 800-922-0204.
>
> Customers can learn more about TALKS for Verizon Wireless by visiting
> www.verizonwireless.com/accessibility. For more information about Verizon
> Wireless products and services, visit a Verizon Wireless Communications
> Store, call 1-800-2 JOIN IN or go to www.verizonwireless.com.
>
> About Verizon Wireless
> Verizon Wireless operates the nation's most reliable and largest wireless
> voice and data network, serving more than 80 million customers.
> Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., with more than 85,000 employees
> nationwide, Verizon Wireless is a joint venture of Verizon Communications
> (NYSE: VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD). For more information, visit
> www.verizonwireless.com. To preview and request broadcast-quality video
> footage and high-resolution stills of Verizon Wireless operations, log on 
> to
> the Verizon Wireless Multimedia Library at
> www.verizonwireless.com/multimedia.
>
> TALKS(TM) is a trademark of Nuance Communications, Inc. and/or its 
> licensors
> and is used under license.
>
> SOURCE Verizon Wireless
> Link:
>
> http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104
> <http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STOR
> Y=/www/s
> tory/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE>
> &STORY=/www/story/03-12-2009/0004987528&EDATE=
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 04:14:18 -0400
> From: Christina Mitchell <cnaylor073 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Voice on the go question
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Message-ID:
> <54f02f10903130114y4a835e16i496a6e6cfd572481 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> -- 
> Christina
> Hey all,
> I'm trying to sign up for the free 15 day trial for voice on the go
> and it keeps giving me email server issues.  Do you know if you need
> outlook express to use this?  I keep setting the settings in my g mail
> and g mail says pop is enabled for all mail but it still gives me
> errors.  I'm already signed up I just need to finish creating my
> account.
>
>
>
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>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 00:36:53 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:36:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Grant Opportunity
Message-ID: <371FFB5398514FE5AE18A0C58F86287C@Rufus>

I hope a representative from every state student division will submit a
proposal for this program.  If I look at the final list of applicants and
see one of you missing, I'll call you out on it publically for being lazy.
If you have questions about the program, call or write to me.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado

Youth Service America's (YSA), YSA's National Youth Council (NYC) and State
Farm Companies Foundation are excited to offer Dollars for Change Grants, as
part of YSA's Global Youth Service Grants.  YSA's NYC will select the
grantees: youth ages 12-25 who will collaborate with a teacher or
service-learning coordinator.  

The awards are up to $2,000, and will support high-impact, semester-long
service-learning projects. The selected youth-led projects will engage a
minimum of 100 young people in service, demonstrate Youth Voice and youth
leadership in all aspects of the decision-making process, and address
compelling issues across the United States and the Canadian provinces of
Alberta, Ontario, and New Brunswick. Upon successful completion of projects
and evaluations, grantees will become eligible to compete for the
prestigious Harris Wofford Youth Award in 2010, and be recognized as a YSA
Service Star.  

To learn more, download an application and grant guidelines at
http://www.YSA.org/awards  
Applications will be accepted through April 30, 2009.
 

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From minesm at me.com  Sat Mar 14 01:07:12 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:07:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare books not opening
In-Reply-To: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>
References: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>
Message-ID: <EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>

Also does anyone who has a Mac know how to unzip books with the  
archive utility from bookshare?

On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Here is a bookshare question I can use some help for.
>
> I use BookShare in conjunction with Kurzweil. I am downloading books  
> that I can not open. The book title appears as a subfolder in the  
> downloads folder
> in Kurzweil. I can not access the folder in Windows explorer. I get  
> a message saying "the compressed zip folder is invalid, or  
> corrupted." I get similar
> results with Kurzweil.
>
> One title where this happens is 101 Ways to Answer the Toughest  
> Interview Questions. I would appreciate any assistance you can  
> direct to the list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>
> Customer Service Representative
> National Braille Press
> 1800 548-read, ext 40.
> aguimaraes at nbp.org
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From jenandnixon at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 03:00:48 2009
From: jenandnixon at gmail.com (Jen)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:00:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <008f01c99ea9$08f7f7e0$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <19740419092112.60751B13380F92C8@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>

Serena:

Sorry in the delay in getting back to you to answer your question! *grin*.
With an excellent intervenor that helped with my English part-way of school.
Even when I went to college, I had great difficulty understanding a lot of
the grammar since whenever the sentence was shown to me, I kept telling my
tutor it looked fine to me *grin*. I can easily edit some things, preferably
punctuation and spelling, as those are my strengths. However, things such as
verbs, nouns and placement of words are very difficult. I also grew up
reading a lot of books, which was highly encouraged by my parents. I still
struggle with English and some days I find it harder to correctly write
*grin*. It is harder when I am sick, not able to concentrate well, mad, etc
when my brain switch gears to ASL.

Hope that helps, I had to think hard at my past how it was done... Although
I have some *VERY* strong gaps in my education due to lack of properly
placed services for me.

Jen and Nixon 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Serena
Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction

Well, you've done great with English in your emails so far!  May I ask, how
did you learn English grammar so well?  My friend pretty much always instant
messages me in ASL.  Languages have always fascinated me from when I was
little.

Serena


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction


> Yes, my first language is American Sign Language. So sometimes, writing in
> English isn't easy for me, sometimes I do confuse my grammar structure 
> some
> of the time. I am the same way, I use LP and Braille... Gotta have all the
> tools available to my in the toolbox *grin*.--J&N
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>
> Hi Jenn
>
> May I ask, do you use sign language?  Cuz I have a friend who's totally 
> deaf
> and has some vision--He reads large print and Braille.  We chat on AOL
> Instant Messenger pretty much every night!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
>
>
>> Good day everyone:
>>
>> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>>
>> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite
>> some
>> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
>> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved 
>> to
>> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the
>> apartment
>> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
>> deafblind.
>>
>> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
>> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
>> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
>> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I 
>> have
>
>> a
>> strong preference working with adults.
>>
>> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
>> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let 
>> alone
>
>> a
>> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind 
>> student
>> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
>> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
>> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab 
>> guide,
>> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
>> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
>> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
>> attacks.
>>
>> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading
>> the
>> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
>> basis.
>>
>> Jen and Nixon
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Mar 14 05:12:33 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:12:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
In-Reply-To: <19740419092112.60751B13380F92C8@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
References: <19740419092112.60751B13380F92C8@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <20090314011233.ozch8t0288k804ks@webmail.utoronto.ca>

You're doing a great job, Jen! I'm really impressed.
Sarah


Quoting Jen <jenandnixon at gmail.com>:

> Serena:
>
> Sorry in the delay in getting back to you to answer your question! *grin*.
> With an excellent intervenor that helped with my English part-way of school.
> Even when I went to college, I had great difficulty understanding a lot of
> the grammar since whenever the sentence was shown to me, I kept telling my
> tutor it looked fine to me *grin*. I can easily edit some things, preferably
> punctuation and spelling, as those are my strengths. However, things such as
> verbs, nouns and placement of words are very difficult. I also grew up
> reading a lot of books, which was highly encouraged by my parents. I still
> struggle with English and some days I find it harder to correctly write
> *grin*. It is harder when I am sick, not able to concentrate well, mad, etc
> when my brain switch gears to ASL.
>
> Hope that helps, I had to think hard at my past how it was done... Although
> I have some *VERY* strong gaps in my education due to lack of properly
> placed services for me.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>
> Well, you've done great with English in your emails so far!  May I ask, how
> did you learn English grammar so well?  My friend pretty much always instant
> messages me in ASL.  Languages have always fascinated me from when I was
> little.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>
>
>> Yes, my first language is American Sign Language. So sometimes, writing in
>> English isn't easy for me, sometimes I do confuse my grammar structure
>> some
>> of the time. I am the same way, I use LP and Braille... Gotta have all the
>> tools available to my in the toolbox *grin*.--J&N
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Serena
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>>
>> Hi Jenn
>>
>> May I ask, do you use sign language?  Cuz I have a friend who's totally
>> deaf
>> and has some vision--He reads large print and Braille.  We chat on AOL
>> Instant Messenger pretty much every night!
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
>>
>>
>>> Good day everyone:
>>>
>>> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>>>
>>> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite
>>> some
>>> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue a
>>> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved
>>> to
>>> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the
>>> apartment
>>> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
>>> deafblind.
>>>
>>> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
>>> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits for
>>> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
>>> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I
>>> have
>>
>>> a
>>> strong preference working with adults.
>>>
>>> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small community
>>> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let
>>> alone
>>
>>> a
>>> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind
>>> student
>>> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille display
>>> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
>>> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab
>>> guide,
>>> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
>>> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
>>> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
>>> attacks.
>>>
>>> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading
>>> the
>>> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a daily
>>> basis.
>>>
>>> Jen and Nixon
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
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>> n.net
>>
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Mar 14 12:38:02 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:38:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare books not opening
In-Reply-To: <EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>
References: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>
	<EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000093027978@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The archives are standard .zip files.  I would presume there is some 
sort of unzip utility for the Mac -- which should work.

Dave

At 09:07 PM 3/13/2009, you wrote:
>Also does anyone who has a Mac know how to unzip books with the
>archive utility from bookshare?
>
>On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Here is a bookshare question I can use some help for.
>>
>>I use BookShare in conjunction with Kurzweil. I am downloading books
>>that I can not open. The book title appears as a subfolder in the
>>downloads folder
>>in Kurzweil. I can not access the folder in Windows explorer. I get
>>a message saying "the compressed zip folder is invalid, or
>>corrupted." I get similar
>>results with Kurzweil.
>>
>>One title where this happens is 101 Ways to Answer the Toughest
>>Interview Questions. I would appreciate any assistance you can
>>direct to the list.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>
>>Customer Service Representative
>>National Braille Press
>>1800 548-read, ext 40.
>>aguimaraes at nbp.org
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Mar 14 13:56:06 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 09:56:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
References: <19740419092112.60751B13380F92C8@priv-edtnaa07.telusplanet.net>
Message-ID: <004d01c9a4ac$9f529750$0501a8c0@Serene>

I guess, you got lucky with your interveener.  I've found that my friend 
writes in better English when he's writing emails or thank you notes than on 
AIM.  I suspect it's cuz he knows I or whomever he's writing the emails or 
notes to may or may not understand everything he says in ASL.  When we're 
talking on AIM, he knows I can simply write that I didn't understand what he 
has said.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction


> Serena:
>
> Sorry in the delay in getting back to you to answer your question! *grin*.
> With an excellent intervenor that helped with my English part-way of 
> school.
> Even when I went to college, I had great difficulty understanding a lot of
> the grammar since whenever the sentence was shown to me, I kept telling my
> tutor it looked fine to me *grin*. I can easily edit some things, 
> preferably
> punctuation and spelling, as those are my strengths. However, things such 
> as
> verbs, nouns and placement of words are very difficult. I also grew up
> reading a lot of books, which was highly encouraged by my parents. I still
> struggle with English and some days I find it harder to correctly write
> *grin*. It is harder when I am sick, not able to concentrate well, mad, 
> etc
> when my brain switch gears to ASL.
>
> Hope that helps, I had to think hard at my past how it was done... 
> Although
> I have some *VERY* strong gaps in my education due to lack of properly
> placed services for me.
>
> Jen and Nixon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>
> Well, you've done great with English in your emails so far!  May I ask, 
> how
> did you learn English grammar so well?  My friend pretty much always 
> instant
> messages me in ASL.  Languages have always fascinated me from when I was
> little.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>
>
>> Yes, my first language is American Sign Language. So sometimes, writing 
>> in
>> English isn't easy for me, sometimes I do confuse my grammar structure
>> some
>> of the time. I am the same way, I use LP and Braille... Gotta have all 
>> the
>> tools available to my in the toolbox *grin*.--J&N
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Serena
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] introduction
>>
>> Hi Jenn
>>
>> May I ask, do you use sign language?  Cuz I have a friend who's totally
>> deaf
>> and has some vision--He reads large print and Braille.  We chat on AOL
>> Instant Messenger pretty much every night!
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jen" <jenandnixon at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 5:55 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] introduction
>>
>>
>>> Good day everyone:
>>>
>>> I just wanted to come in and say *HELLO!* and introduce myself.
>>>
>>> I currently reside in BC, Canada, but have been on this list for quite
>>> some
>>> time, just reading. I graduated college May 2008; however, I may pursue 
>>> a
>>> continuation of my educational career at a later date, until I've moved
>>> to
>>> Toronto. I may be moving in a ew months if I get accepted for the
>>> apartment
>>> in Toronto, where services are readily more available to me, as I am
>>> deafblind.
>>>
>>> I was a high school drop-out; however, I was lucky enough to receive the
>>> high school equivalent diploma in college, as I gained enough credits 
>>> for
>>> this alongside my administrative assistant certification. I am hoping to
>>> look into teaching as a career mostly in the post-secondary sector. I
>>> have
>>
>>> a
>>> strong preference working with adults.
>>>
>>> My college career brought on a lot of ups and downs, in a small 
>>> community
>>> college, that doesn't see many blind/visually impaired students, let
>>> alone
>>
>>> a
>>> deafblind student pursue education there. I am the first deafblind
>>> student
>>> to graduate there. I urrently use JAWS 10 with a Focus 40 braille 
>>> display
>>> (JAWS is set at a slow speed and my omputer speakers is usually on the
>>> highest volume), have Kurzweil, CCTV, etc. I also have a yellow lab
>>> guide,
>>> named Nixon, from the Oregon campus of Guide Dogs for the Blind. He's my
>>> second dog, my first was from a Canadian school and resides with us as a
>>> royally spoiled retired pet. His retirement was premature due to dog
>>> attacks.
>>>
>>> I thought I'd jump in and introduce myself *grin*, but have been reading
>>> the
>>> vast amount of interesting topics that passes through the list on a 
>>> daily
>>> basis.
>>>
>>> Jen and Nixon
>>>
>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Mar 14 14:01:43 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:01:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Urgent Legislative Alert on the Silent Car Legislation
Message-ID: <auto-000093031840@mailfront2.g2host.com>

----- Original Message -----

From:
Hartle, Jesse

To:
undisclosed-recipients:

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:38 PM

Subject: Urgent Legislative Alert on The Silent Car Legislation

Fellow Federationists:

We continue to move forward in ensuring the success of the Pedestrian 
Safety Enhancement Act, H.R. 734.  Currently 89 members of the House 
of Representatives
are listed as cosponsors of this legislation (please see below for 
the current list of cosponsors).  Earlier this week Congress passed 
the Omnibus Appropriations
Act.  Included in that legislation was funds for the National Highway 
Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to study the problem addressed 
by H.R. 734
and report to Congress.  If Congress feels it is important enough to 
appropriate funds for this study, Congress should also direct NHTSA 
on how the study
should be carried out.  I encourage you all to call your member of 
the House of Representatives and urge them to cosponsor H.R. 734 
which would do just
that.  Democrats will want to contact Congressman Towns's office, 
while Republicans will want to contact Congressman Stearns's 
office.  The contact in
Congressman Towns's office is Emily Khoury, and James Thomas is the 
contact for Congressman Stearns's office.  The number to the Capitol 
switchboard is
(202) 225-3121.  Please let me know if you have any questions, and I 
will do my best to answer them.  I have listed my contact information 
below.  Thank
you all for your continued hard work on this important issue.

Sincerely,

Jesse M. Hartle

Government Programs Specialist

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

Phone:  (410) 659-9314, ext. 2233

E-mail:
jhartle at nfb.org

Cosponsors of HR 734

Congressman Towns, Lead Sponsor

Alaska

Congressman Young

Arizona

Congressman Grijalva

Congressman Pastor

Arkansas

Congressman Boozman

California

Congressman Berman

Congressman Filner

Congresswoman Harman

Congresswoman Lee

Congresswoman Matsui

Congressman Rohrabacher

Congresswoman Linda Sanchez

Congressman Stark

Congresswoman Tauscher

District of Columbia

Congresswoman Norton

Florida

Congressman Bilirakis

Congresswoman Brown

Congresswoman Ros-Lehtinen

Congressman Stearns

Congresswoman Wasserman Schultz

Georgia

Congressman Bishop

Congressman Lewis

Guam

Congresswoman Bordallo

Hawaii

Congressman Abercrombie

Congresswoman Hirono

Idaho

Congressman Minnick

Illinois

Congressman Davis

Congressman Gutierrez

Congressman Hare

Congressman Jackson

Congressman Roskam

Congresswoman Schakowsky

Indiana

Congressman Carson

Iowa

Congressman Boswell

Congressman Braley

Congressman King

Congressman Latham

Congressman Loebsack

Louisiana

Congressman Alexander

Congressman Melancon

Maryland

Congressman Ruppersberger

Congressman Van Hollen

Massachusetts

Congressman Capuano

Congressman McGovern

Congressman Neal

Congressman Tierney

Minnesota

Congressman Ellison

Congressman Oberstar

Congressman Peterson

Congressman Walz

Mississippi

Congressman Taylor

Missouri

Congressman Carnahan

Congresswoman Emerson

Nebraska

Congressman Terry

Nevada

Congresswoman Berkley

New Hampshire

Congresswoman Shea-Porter

New Jersey

Congressman Sires

Congressman Rothman

New York

Congressman Hinchey

Congresswoman Lowey

Congresswoman Maloney

Congressman Nadler

Congressman Rangel

Congressman Serrano

North Carolina

Congressman Jones

Congressman McIntyre

Congressman Price

Ohio

Congressman Driehaus

Congressman LaTourette

Congressman Ryan

Oregon

Congressman Blumenauer

Congressman DeFazio

Pennsylvania

Congressman Brady

Congressman Carney

Congressman Doyle

Congressman Fattah

Congressman Holden

Congressman Kanjorski

Puerto Rico

Congressman Pierluisi

Tennessee

Congressman Cohen

Texas

Congressman Neugebauer

Congressman Sessions

Vermont

Congressman Welch

Virginia

Congressman Moran

Congressman Wittman

Washington

Congressman McDermott

West Virginia

Congressman Mollohan

Congressman Rahall

Wisconsin

Congresswoman Moore

Congressman Petri  




From bcsarah.fan at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 19:45:45 2009
From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com (Patricia)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:45:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] going back to school
Message-ID: <48DACB93BAD94DDD949FF44B9A60704C@Athena>

Jamie:

I am getting my Bachelors degree with a major in Psychology, and will be graduating next year. 

Just so you have another Social Sciences student if you need one... 

Patricia 

From cassonw at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 21:08:46 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:08:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Fw: Blind People Hear Better: Truth or Myth?
In-Reply-To: <523548.50644.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <523548.50644.qm@web90405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0903141408y7302d22fwb5ba3abbe17a013a@mail.gmail.com>

--- On *Sat, 3/14/09, Tonia Trapp <*:

From: Tonia Trapp <>
Subject: Blind People Hear Better: Truth or Myth?

Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 11:59 AM


  Blind People Hear Better: Truth or Myth?
 Do the auditory skills of the visually impaired compensate for their loss
of sight?
By Rich Maloof for MSN Health & Fitness


A popular perception holds that blind people have a highly developed sense
of hearing. As the thinking goes, our five senses work in concert with one
another such that the loss of one is compensated by increased sensitivity in
the remaining four.
Generally speaking, the idea springs from one part assumption, one part
anecdotal evidence, and perhaps one small part guilt: We like to think those
who lack a sense that so richly informs our lives are able to make up the
difference.
We further embrace the notion that some blind people can parlay a tragic
handicap into a distinct advantage. After all, blind musicians like Stevie
Wonder and vocal legend Andrea Bocelli exhibit exceptional musical skill and
have what fellow musicians would call "a great ear."
Until recently, there had been little scientific evidence that blind people
really do benefit from sensory compensation. At the Montreal Neurological
Institute of Canada's McGill University, graduate students working under the
tutelage of Robert Zatorre, Ph.D., a neuroscientist and experimental
psychologist, put popular perceptions to the test. Their results confirmed
expectations—and also yielded some exciting surprises.
*Testing 1-2-3

*
The study began simply enough, with groups of blind and sighted subjects
alike tested on pitch perception (how high or low a note is) and position
perception (where in space a sound is located). In line with expectations,
blind subjects scored better than their sighted counterparts.
However, an unforeseen observation arose: The people who had been blind
since birth were the ones who scored best. In fact, the scores correlated
directly to the point in life at which each subject lost his or her
eyesight. Those born blind had the best performance, followed by subjects
who became blind at age four or five. Among those blinded at 10 years old or
later, there was little to no difference at all compared to the sighted
group.
"What this tells us is that there is plasticity in the brain," says Dr.
Zatorre. "That is, when we're young we can actually change around the way
neurons work, and reorganize brain function to suit our survival needs. But
as we get older, the brain becomes more or less fixed in terms of sensory
perception."
In a second test, subjects had one ear plugged and were then asked to locate
where sounds were coming from in a room with hidden speakers. Knowing that
the brain compares input from both ears to locate sound, the researchers
didn't expect anyone to score highly. Yet, half of the blind people scored
with impressive accuracy.
These results are probably the best evidence of one sense being compensated
by another. Zatorre believes that the blind people who scored well were
gleaning highly specific location information from the sound as it was
bouncing off of their outer ears. While the cartilage in everyone's outer
ear has a unique topography of bumps, grooves, and dents, these subjects
were using the ear's features to far greater effect. The sound was there for
all to hear, but these subjects had become extremely sensitive to the
information it provided.
*A startling discovery*
The biggest surprise came when the researchers used a PET scan (positron
emission tomography), which can indicate brain activity as someone performs
various tasks. Zatorre's team, led by then-doctoral student Frédéric
Gougoux, knew every subject would show activity in the auditory cortex since
that's where the brain processes sound. But for some subjects, the PET
revealed activity in the *visual* cortex, where the brain processes sight.
The people with visual activity, it turned out, were the same ones who had
shown that particular ability to locate sound with one ear blocked.
"We learned that the part of the brain that normally handles vision does not
just die or atrophy without input," says Zatorre. "It somehow adds
functionality to process subtle auditory information."
*No guarantees*
The startling PET-scan results are a testament to the incredible adaptive
abilities of the brain. It can practically be rewired in our earliest years,
and areas of the brain previously understood to have discrete functions can
sometimes be recruited to help accommodate a loss.
Is it reasonable to say that some blind musicians benefit from better
hearing? Arguably, heightened pitch perception and spatial location skills
would improve a musician's ability to play in tune and perform with other
instrumentalists, so they'd have a good head start. But don't romanticize
it. Blindness is no guarantee of increased auditory perception, let alone
musical ability, and by far the vast majority of musical geniuses are lucky
enough to have all of their senses intact.

From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 21:26:06 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:26:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare books not opening
In-Reply-To: <EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>
References: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>
	<EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>
Message-ID: <20090314212606.GD82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>

They're zip files now.  You no longer need the archive utility from 
bookshare--BOMArchiveHelper (built-in Mac utility that runs when you 
double-click a zip file) or The Unarchiver (a free replacement for 
BOMArchiveHelper that handles a lot more archive formats--I suggest 
not using it for .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 files due to a bug) should open 
bookshare books directly now.

Joseph

On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:07:12PM -0600, Maurice Mines wrote:
> Also does anyone who has a Mac know how to unzip books with the archive 
> utility from bookshare?
>
> On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a bookshare question I can use some help for.
>>
>> I use BookShare in conjunction with Kurzweil. I am downloading books  
>> that I can not open. The book title appears as a subfolder in the  
>> downloads folder
>> in Kurzweil. I can not access the folder in Windows explorer. I get a 
>> message saying "the compressed zip folder is invalid, or corrupted." I 
>> get similar
>> results with Kurzweil.
>>
>> One title where this happens is 101 Ways to Answer the Toughest  
>> Interview Questions. I would appreciate any assistance you can direct 
>> to the list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>
>> Customer Service Representative
>> National Braille Press
>> 1800 548-read, ext 40.
>> aguimaraes at nbp.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> nabs-l:
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>
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Mar 14 22:26:45 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:26:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare books not opening
In-Reply-To: <20090314212606.GD82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>
	<EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>
	<20090314212606.GD82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <20090314222645.GH82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I just realized that Bookshare erroneously tells you to download and 
use The Unarchiver with their books.  Totally unnecessary--but it's a 
useful tool, so I'll explain how to set it up.

The way you use The Unarchiver is to drop it in your Applications 
directory and run it.  This will bring up its preferences dialog box, 
allowing you to decide what to use it on.

In the Archive Formats tab, find the Select All button and press it.  
There's a list of archive formats above that, and I suggest 
deselecting everything between Gzip File and UNIX Compress Tar 
Archive.  The Mac can handle those itself, and there's a small bug in 
The Unarchiver.

Close that, then just open the archives you want to decompress.  
They'll appear in a folder of the same name as the zip file, right 
next to it.  (You need not install The Unarchiver to do this with a 
zip file, though.)

Joseph

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 02:26:06PM -0700, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
> They're zip files now.  You no longer need the archive utility from  
> bookshare--BOMArchiveHelper (built-in Mac utility that runs when you  
> double-click a zip file) or The Unarchiver (a free replacement for  
> BOMArchiveHelper that handles a lot more archive formats--I suggest not 
> using it for .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 files due to a bug) should open  
> bookshare books directly now.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:07:12PM -0600, Maurice Mines wrote:
>> Also does anyone who has a Mac know how to unzip books with the archive 
>> utility from bookshare?
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Here is a bookshare question I can use some help for.
>>>
>>> I use BookShare in conjunction with Kurzweil. I am downloading books  
>>> that I can not open. The book title appears as a subfolder in the   
>>> downloads folder
>>> in Kurzweil. I can not access the folder in Windows explorer. I get a 
>>> message saying "the compressed zip folder is invalid, or corrupted." 
>>> I get similar
>>> results with Kurzweil.
>>>
>>> One title where this happens is 101 Ways to Answer the Toughest   
>>> Interview Questions. I would appreciate any assistance you can direct 
>>> to the list.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>>
>>> Customer Service Representative
>>> National Braille Press
>>> 1800 548-read, ext 40.
>>> aguimaraes at nbp.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>>> nabs-l:
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>>
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From newmanrl at cox.net  Sun Mar 15 03:25:11 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:25:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
	BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
Message-ID: <2C47919A53BD4E09B144A12726A4124D@D78R0TG1>

Rania 

Thanks for writing in. so I for get, did you pass and get your massage
license? 




Robert Leslie Newman
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Rania
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:59 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show

I think this would be a wonderful idea. I think it would help sited people
gain a better understanding of how we do things.
Rania,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:04 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
Challenge:The Reality Show


> NABS
> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>
> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted 
> contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills.
> There are challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what 
> you think; is there value in this shows concept? If you have not read 
> the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post 
> them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that 
> URL is-
> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish 
> to
> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask,
> at- newmanrl at cox.net
>
>
>
>
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
> The Reality Show
>
> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On 
> screen a tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, 
> cordless microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week 
> four, the final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students 
> will have their final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their 
> challenge assignment first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will 
> it be Patty Hartman, twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and 
> unemployed?" (The screen shows a petit blonde woman with a black 
> sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes and upper face. She stands 
> smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests easily at her side.)
>
> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown, 
> 32, married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college." 
> (The screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, 
> skin tone; standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his 
> eyebrows in the crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below the 
> black of the sleepshade shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>
> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to 
> date, allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully 
> sighted participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed 
> to wear sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same 
> blindness skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is 
> simple--if you don't excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the
best."
>
> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness 
> from that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>
> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her 
> face that may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, 
> but I'm committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel 
> lesson; a hesitant step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the 
> cane. Third: learning Braille; writing with a Braille slate and 
> stylus; fingers reading a thick Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring 
> water from a large pitcher into a small glass; Fifth: frosting a cake. 
> Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop needle threader; using a 
> sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the screen showing what 
> she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what she keys in. 
> "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an electric hand 
> drill.
>
> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling 
> about your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>
> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to 
> pick-up on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can 
> fly!"
>
> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>
> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his 
> sleepshade down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong 
> grip, he explores a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into 
> a Braille slate; reading a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth: 
> checking meat on a hot charcoal grill. Fifth: threading a 
> self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a man's shirt. Sixth: 
> keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar logo, and from the 
> speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a circular saw; 
> sanding a newly built picnic table.
>
> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the 
> grand prize home?"
>
> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this 
> challenge to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a 
> form of preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory. 
> But the game is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life 
> goes on and you just use alternative methods to be successful."
>
> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet. 
> "Though
> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last 
> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll 
> be waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes all!
> And
> the clock starts now!"
>
> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers 
> reading their instructions.
>
> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps. 
> Simon turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty 
> turns left, north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, 
> cane flashing in the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
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From michaelhooks at nextlevelat.com  Sun Mar 15 06:32:50 2009
From: michaelhooks at nextlevelat.com (Michael Hooks)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:32:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] [nfbwatlk] JAWS 10 Update Released (64 and 32 Bit
 versions) - 3/12/09
Message-ID: <auto-000089491387@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Here is info on the new version of JAWS.  In addition to these 
specific things, it now supports 64-bit Windows, and has support for 
multiple sound cards in the same computer.

Dave


Enhancements in JAWS 10.0.1139 (March 2009)

The following is a list of items addressed between the final JAWS 10.0.512
release and the final JAWS 10.0.1139 posting. All enhancements since the
initial public beta release are included in this release.

JAWS

*	JAWS no longer creates a braille contraction error for the word
doggone.
*	For Unified English Braille (UEB) and contracted English braille
(Grade 2) output, words such as thermoform and chloroform are forward
translated correctly using the for sign.
*	Resolved a memory leak issue that was noticed when switching between
RealSpeak Solo Direct and Eloquence voice profiles.
*	Tables now display correctly in Outlook 2007 and Word 2007 when you
have a braille display attached, and the Document Presentation option is set
to Screen Layout.
*	Scripts have been created for tcConference software, which is Web
conferencing software that supports Freedom Scientific online training
sessions. For more information, see the Freedom
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/e-LearningEntrance.asp>
Scientific Webinar Schedule and Registration Page.
*	Resolved an issue where the word realign was using the ea sign for
UEB and contracted English braille.
*	JAWS now speaks the status of the check boxes in the Options dialog
box of Word and Outlook when you press the SPACEBAR.
*	The word Micronesia now translates correctly for contracted English
braille.
*	JAWS will now echo the F3 keystroke.
*	The MSAA Mode combo box is now described in the Advanced Options
Dialog topic in the JAWS help file.
*	Screen sensitive help INSERT+F1 is now available for the Translation
Table combo box in the Braille Basic Settings dialog box.
*	When running JAWS and MAGic together, pressing INSERT+UP ARROW to
say a line in the Mouse Enhancement or the Cursor Enhancement dialog box for
MAGic no longer causes a left mouse click at the location of the JAWS
cursor.
*	New BANA rules for some Grade 2 symbols have been implemented.
*	Configuration Manager will automatically save changes to remote
access settings when you close the manager.
*	The "lnk" type is now shown on the right side of a braille display
instead of the right side when a link appears by itself on a line in
applications such as Word and Outlook 2007.

Adobe Acrobat

*	When you move about the different panes of a dialog box, such as the
tree view and read-only edit boxes found in the About Adobe Plug-Ins dialog
box, JAWS now only reads the item that is currently selected instead of
additional items that are not selected that also appear in the dialog box.
*	JAWS was not detecting tables in some PDF files. This has been
corrected.
*	JAWS speech and focus work correctly after creating a bookmark in a
PDF file.

Adobe Flex

*	JAWS correctly reads the number of sliders that appear on the
computer screen.

Corel WordPerfect X3

*	This release resolves a long standing issue when reading and
navigating by paragraphs in a WordPerfect X3 document. JAWS now correctly
reads the current paragraph from beginning to end when using CTRL+NUM PAD 5.
In addition, when you use CTRL+UP ARROW and CTRL+DOWN ARROW to jump to and
read the previous or next paragraph, JAWS correctly moves to and reads the
paragraphs instead of stopping on blank lines.

Microsoft Excel

*	When an Excel workbook contains data on multiple worksheets, JAWS
now correctly reads cell information on the current worksheet. Before, when
switching back and forth between worksheets, JAWS would sometimes read data
from the previous worksheet.
*	If a Title Region is created in one region of a worksheet, JAWS no
longer behaves sluggishly when navigating in other regions on the same
worksheet.
*	In the JAWS help file, the obsolete keystroke CTRL+SHIFT+R has been
removed and replaced with INSERT+SHIFT+R, which is the keystroke for listing
cells in the current row.
*	In the JAWS help file, the obsolete keystroke CTRL+SHIFT+C has been
removed and replaced with INSERT+SHIFT+C, which is the keystroke for listing
cells in the current column.

Microsoft Internet Explorer

*	This release resolves a long standing issue with the INSERT+F8
keystroke and Internet Explorer. When you open the Internet Explorer Toolbar
dialog box using this keystroke, JAWS no longer inserts an ampersand in the
text links that appear in the toolbar list.
*	When using JAWS Find (CTRL+F) and Say All (INSERT+DOWN ARROW)
together, JAWS speech no longer stops if you press F3 to jump to the next
instance of the search string. Instead, JAWS moves to the next item and then
continues reading.
*	Braille focus no longer jumps to the bottom of a Web page when you
turn off JAWS speech.
*	Resolved an issue with the Illinois Center for Information
Technology Accessibility Web page where ARIA Live regions were not updating.

*	JAWS correctly navigates back and forth between Web pages at
www.cjob.com without announcing an Unknown Function Call message.
*	Resolved an issue of sluggish JAWS performance with the New York
Times Web site.
*	The keyboard help message (INSERT+1) for the INSERT+Z keystroke has
been updated to state that it toggles the Virtual Cursor between Off and
Auto.
*	JAWS no longer announces input fields that are hidden from view by a
cascading style sheet.
*	JAWS correctly reads alt text and links while in Virtual mode in
Internet Explorer.
*	After pressing F5 to refresh a Web page, JAWS will once again read
and recognize links in the INSERT+F7 links list.
*	Web pages that use the Windows Media Player plug-in are now
accessible with JAWS.
*	Table navigation keystrokes no function correctly when a blank line
is encountered between table data.
*	The read-only help messages for Internet Explorer's Adjust JAWS
Options (INSERT+V) have been corrected and updated.
*	Instead of saying, "contains text," JAWS now reads the text when you
press TAB to move into a read-only edit field.
*	The Select and Copy option for Internet Explorer can be set to one
of the following: Full Content using Onscreen Highlight or From Virtual
Cursor.
*	JAWS no longer speaks the wrong text after pressing TAB or ARROW
Keys to move away from an edit field in which you have just typed text.
*	In the Customize Punctuation dialog box of Configuration Manager,
JAWS now reads the symbol U+F0E0 as right arrow bullet.

Microsoft Notepad

*	Navigation by sentence (ALT+DOWN ARROW) and paragraph (CTRL+DOWN
ARROW) work correctly in Notepad.

Microsoft Outlook

*	Plain text e-mail messages that you forward or respond to typically
have lines of text prefixed with a greater than sign. When you read the
message by previous or next paragraph (CTRL+UP ARROW or CTRL+DOWN ARROW) in
Outlook 2003, JAWS now recognizes and reads any paragraph prefaced with a
greater than sign.
*	The screen sensitive help (INSERT+F1) for a Note (CTRL+SHIFT+N) in
Outlook has been improved.
*	JAWS now provides greater detail about appointments that appear in
the French and Spanish versions of Microsoft Outlook when you press TAB to
move from one Calendar item to another.
*	INSERT+H hot key help is now available for the Macros dialog box in
Outlook.
*	When multiple appointments appear in the Outlook Calendar, JAWS now
announces these appointments and all associated information as you navigate
the list using the UP or DOWN ARROW keys.
*	While creating an e-mail or Calendar appointment in Outlook 2007, if
you jump to and navigate through Ribbon items using TAB, JAWS navigation
will now remain in the Ribbons and not accidentally return to the message or
appointment text. Previously, after pressing TAB a few times, JAWS would
lose its navigation focus and jump to the body text.
*	When a layout table appears in an e-mail message, JAWS will now
correctly read text in both speech and braille as you navigate into or out
of the table using the DOWN and UP ARROW keys. Previously, JAWS would
announce the text correctly, but the braille display would show the last
line of the table or combine several lines into one.
*	JAWS now announces the recurrence and reminder flags when pressing
TAB to move through Outlook 2003 appointments.
*	JAWS no longer announces an unknown function call when editing or
reading an e-mail message.
*	When using Word as the editor in Outlook 2003, the braille contents
of the To field no longer automatically appear in the CC and BCC fields in
the message header.
*	When viewing an all day event using the Virtual Viewer, JAWS now
correctly states that it is an all day event.
*	When you open an e-mail message using Outlook Express, JAWS no
longer announces the subject line multiple times.
*	You can create F1 key help messages for check boxes and combo boxes
in Word forms. As you press the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to move through the
form, JAWS will now announce if these form controls have associated help
messages.
*	In Outlook 2007 if text is selected in the preview pane, you can use
SHIFT+TAB to move back to the folder list.
*	In the Word 2007 Modify Styles dialog box, JAWS did not speak the
read-only text that described Style Properties. Now, when you use the ARROW
Keys to move through and read multiple lines, JAWS will read the text.
*	When you press ALT+1 twice quickly, JAWS now reads the header field
of an e-mail message instead of sending the message.
*	The text on a braille display now remains when navigating by
character on a link in an e-mail message.

Microsoft PowerPoint

*	When e-mailing a presentation from within PowerPoint 2007, JAWS
correctly announces the header edit fields, such as To, CC, and Subject, as
you press TAB to move through the fields.
*	The color can be selected in the Format Background dialog box in
PowerPoint 2007.
*	The INSERT+F1 help messages have been updated to include information
about all slide layout types.
*	The INSERT+1 keyboard help for the SPACEBAR and BACKSPACE keys in
PowerPoint is now correct.
*	The Custom Labels option is not available in PowerPoint and no
longer appears in the Adjust JAWS Options dialog box for PowerPoint.

Microsoft Word

*	When enabled, Navigation Quick Keys let you quickly and easily move
through a Word document. For example, you can press H to jump to the next
heading in a Word document, P to jump to the next paragraph, and G to jump
to the next graphic. JAWS 10 will now automatically turn off Navigation
Quick Keys when you open a Ribbon, menu, or dialog box in Word. In previous
JAWS releases, Navigation Quick Keys would remain on until toggled off using
INSERT+Z, or turned off using the Navigation Quick Keys option after
pressing INSERT+V.
*	When you move by word through the edit fields of a form using
CTRL+RIGHT ARROW or CTRL+LEFT ARROW, JAWS correctly announces the entire
word instead of the first character of the word.
*	JAWS no longer double speaks when moving through items in edit combo
boxes in Word 2003 documents.
*	JAWS will now turn off table coordinates for braille in Word tables.

*	JAWS correctly announces color information for text and borders in
Word 2007 documents.
*	When a table contains only one column, JAWS now announces
information about the table when the document window gains focus.
*	When typing in the edit field of the Bookmarks dialog box in Word
2007, JAWS no longer reads text from the beginning to the current cursor
position as you type characters in the edit field.
*	In JAWS 10, you can once again type accented characters in a Word
document.
*	When you select a text box in Word, the cursor now appears in the
top left corner and is ready to read.
*	When you use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to read a Word document by
line, JAWS no longer announces "new line" when you reach the end of the
current line.
*	JAWS now speaks the correct message when using the Find Next
(CTRL+PAGE DOWN) and Find Prior commands (CTRL+PAGE UP) for bookmarks and
objects.
*	When moving by line using the UP or DOWN ARROW in a Word form, JAWS
no longer announces form fields twice.

Mozilla Firefox

*	Now, when running GmailT in Firefox 3.0.5, JAWS correctly announces
edit instead of frame when you navigate into the edit fields of a Gmail
message header.
*	JAWS now recognizes screen controls for subscribing to RSS feeds
when using Firefox. You can correctly use the TAB to navigate between RSS
feed controls without having to toggle off the Virtual Cursor with INSERT+Z
*	JAWS now announces font attributes when you press INSERT+F while
using Gmail to create an e-mail message.
*	When you save a Web page using Firefox, JAWS no longer echoes the
word and sentence as you are typing individual characters.
*	JAWS correctly reads combo boxes that appear in Firefox controls.
*	JAWS can now locate and use the Flash player buttons when playing
sample audio in an audio book at audible.com.
*	In the Skim Reading dialog box, JAWS will read the New item in the
Rules History combo when it gains focus.

Mozilla Thunderbird

*	JAWS will now enter Forms Mode when you navigate to the message body
window in a new e-mail message.
*	When you press TAB to move into the body of an e-mail message, the
Virtual Cursor turns off so that you can type text.

Windows Live Messenger

*	JAWS now announces incoming conversations, requests, and history
information for Windows Live Messenger.

Download JAWS 10

The following briefly describes how to download and install the JAWS 10
release.
1.	Select the appropriate FTP or HTTP download link that appears at the
end of this procedure.
2.	When the dialog box opens, choose Save and select a location where
you can easily find the downloaded executable file.
3.	Run the executable and follow the talking installer.
Note: If your corporate firewall prevents you from downloading files using
FTP (File Transfer Protocol), use the HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol)
links instead.
*	JAWS
<ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/J10.0.1139.e
xe>  10.0.1139 32-bit - March 2009 English (80.7 MB - FTP download)
*	JAWS
<http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J10.0.1139.exe>  10.0.1139
32-bit - March 2009 English (80.7 MB - HTTP download)
*	JAWS
<ftp://ftp.freedomscientific.com/users/hj/private/WebFiles/JAWS/J10.0.1139_X
64.exe>  10.0.1139 64-bit - March 2009 English (84.1 MB - FTP download)
*	JAWS
<http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J10.0.1139_X64.exe>
10.0.1139 64-bit - March 2009 English (84.1 MB - HTTP download)
*	JAWS
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp#do
wnload>  10.0.1139 USB Thumb Drive Downloads
*	JAWS
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-MAGic-usb-drive.asp>
USB Thumb Drive FAQs
*	Non-Tandem
<http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-no-tandem.asp>  builds

Please feel free to give me a call if you have any questions,
Michael P. Hooks,  M.S. Ed.
Next Level Assistive Technology
12811 NW 29th ct
Vancouver, WA 98685
360.281.5153 (voice)
360.397.0491 (Fax)
  <http://www.nextlevelat.com> www.nextlevelat.com




From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 17:57:24 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:57:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The
	VirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
References: <2C47919A53BD4E09B144A12726A4124D@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <008901c9a597$809e6a00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Know I didn't I failed the Massage Technique and Practice class again. As a 
result I am now applying to Institute for Theraputic Massage. I like what I 
am hearing about the school as well as there experience with teaching blind 
people. That school is also the school ware my massage therapist attended 
and was vary pleased. I am going for a toor on Wednesday so they are going 
to tell me what will transfer over to there program. Some of my client's who 
are also massage therapists told me that it sounds like I will be in a more 
supportive place. They also told me not to be afraid to use the techniques I 
learned from my local community college's massage program such as nmt and 
sheiatsue and apply them to my own routine when giving a massage and adding 
new techniques I learn such as rakie and medical massage. Do you have any 
tips for geting my massage down to an hour? I am still not understanding the 
consept of doing less of a few strokes. Does that mean instead of doing 
efflorage 3 times only doing it twice? Thanks for your help.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The 
VirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show


> Rania
>
> Thanks for writing in. so I for get, did you pass and get your massage
> license?
>
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Rania
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:59 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
> BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
>
> I think this would be a wonderful idea. I think it would help sited people
> gain a better understanding of how we do things.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:04 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
> Challenge:The Reality Show
>
>
>> NABS
>> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>
>> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
>> contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills.
>> There are challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what
>> you think; is there value in this shows concept? If you have not read
>> the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post
>> them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
>> URL is-
>> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish
>> to
>> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask,
>> at- newmanrl at cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>> The Reality Show
>>
>> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On
>> screen a tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand,
>> cordless microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week
>> four, the final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students
>> will have their final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their
>> challenge assignment first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will
>> it be Patty Hartman, twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and
>> unemployed?" (The screen shows a petit blonde woman with a black
>> sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes and upper face. She stands
>> smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests easily at her side.)
>>
>> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown,
>> 32, married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college."
>> (The screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned,
>> skin tone; standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his
>> eyebrows in the crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below the
>> black of the sleepshade shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>
>> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to
>> date, allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully
>> sighted participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed
>> to wear sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same
>> blindness skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is
>> simple--if you don't excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the
> best."
>>
>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness
>> from that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>
>> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her
>> face that may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into,
>> but I'm committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel
>> lesson; a hesitant step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the
>> cane. Third: learning Braille; writing with a Braille slate and
>> stylus; fingers reading a thick Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring
>> water from a large pitcher into a small glass; Fifth: frosting a cake.
>> Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop needle threader; using a
>> sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the screen showing what
>> she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what she keys in.
>> "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an electric hand
>> drill.
>>
>> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling
>> about your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>
>> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to
>> pick-up on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can
>> fly!"
>>
>> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>
>> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his
>> sleepshade down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong
>> grip, he explores a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into
>> a Braille slate; reading a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth:
>> checking meat on a hot charcoal grill. Fifth: threading a
>> self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a man's shirt. Sixth:
>> keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar logo, and from the
>> speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a circular saw;
>> sanding a newly built picnic table.
>>
>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the
>> grand prize home?"
>>
>> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this
>> challenge to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a
>> form of preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory.
>> But the game is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life
>> goes on and you just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>
>> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>> "Though
>> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
>> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll
>> be waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes 
>> all!
>> And
>> the clock starts now!"
>>
>> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers
>> reading their instructions.
>>
>> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps.
>> Simon turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty
>> turns left, north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot,
>> cane flashing in the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 18:39:36 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:39:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] We Get Blessed By A Blessing On Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <68DC516C1E744266BA7903891E5AEFCE@homeuser>

Hello There Everybody!
So, you might be asking yourselves what the meaning of this email's topic is?
Well, it's quite simple.
It's Sunday night, which means another Djd Invasion show will be taking place, and on tonight's show, we'll be interviewing another blind musician with the unlikely name of Blessing Offer.
His soulful sounds will radiate through your speakers tonight, as my sister and I play a couple of his songs, and talk to him about how he got started, and where he plans to go with his life as a musician.
You'll be able to contact sister Beth and me to ask him questions or to make requests by email/msn messenger at the address
request at acbradio.org
by aol instant messenger at the address
djdrocks
or when we're not playing songs, and we will be playing a variety of songs throughout tonight's show as well, feel free to give us a call at
1-516-874-5071
or if you have skype, skype us at
thedjdinvasion
Between the pop, rock, and country, and our interview with this young man from Tennessee who I believe has a lot of potential, I think you're in for a great show tonight!
The fun begins at 6 PM central, which is 7 PM eastern, and will go for three hours on ACB Radio Interactive, so to listen, save this email, and at the above mentioned time, log on to
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/listen.html
to be connected to the program!
I hope to see you all there!
Best regards,
David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com


*****
If you're looking for an internet radio show that features talk, comedy, all types of music, your requests, music from the forties all the way to the present, and more, then join me on Sunday nights from 7 to 10 PM eastern for The Djd Invasion on ACB Radio Interactive.
For more information on the program, visit the home of The Djd Invasion internet radio show on the web at
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com
Check it out, you won't be disappointed!!!

From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 20:54:58 2009
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (Nijat Worley)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 13:54:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A 32 GB SD Card for the Victor Streem
Message-ID: <009f01c9a5b0$4e69bf30$7b188a80@Nijatash>

Hi Everyone,
   I was wondering if any of you knew weather we can use a 32 GB SD Card on the Victor Streem. Do any of you use such a large card on your victor Streem? If you do, does it have to be Sand Disk Card, or can it be a HP SD Card?
   Thanks
   Nijat

From blindhistory at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 20:29:57 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:29:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A 32 GB SD Card for the Victor Streem
In-Reply-To: <009f01c9a5b0$4e69bf30$7b188a80@Nijatash>
References: <009f01c9a5b0$4e69bf30$7b188a80@Nijatash>
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00903151329v35932f79kde93455a55773f8@mail.gmail.com>

I believe you can but it can't be a regular SD card. It has to be a high
capacity SD card hth

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Nijat Worley <nijat1989 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>   I was wondering if any of you knew weather we can use a 32 GB SD Card on
> the Victor Streem. Do any of you use such a large card on your victor
> Streem? If you do, does it have to be Sand Disk Card, or can it be a HP SD
> Card?
>   Thanks
>   Nijat
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-- 
Lora

From newmanrl at cox.net  Sun Mar 15 22:58:10 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:58:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143-
	TheVirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
In-Reply-To: <008901c9a597$809e6a00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <2C47919A53BD4E09B144A12726A4124D@D78R0TG1>
	<008901c9a597$809e6a00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <1B5F1FAAAE1B4009A8855822782DBE20@D78R0TG1>

I would look at how you transition from one part of the body to the next. I
mean, are your strokes slower than other peoples? I bet not, so I would look
to see how you move around the table and move from one section of the body
to the other. (If others can due 3 strokes, then so should you.)




Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Rania
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:57 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143-
TheVirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show

Know I didn't I failed the Massage Technique and Practice class again. As a
result I am now applying to Institute for Theraputic Massage. I like what I
am hearing about the school as well as there experience with teaching blind
people. That school is also the school ware my massage therapist attended
and was vary pleased. I am going for a toor on Wednesday so they are going
to tell me what will transfer over to there program. Some of my client's who
are also massage therapists told me that it sounds like I will be in a more
supportive place. They also told me not to be afraid to use the techniques I
learned from my local community college's massage program such as nmt and
sheiatsue and apply them to my own routine when giving a massage and adding
new techniques I learn such as rakie and medical massage. Do you have any
tips for geting my massage down to an hour? I am still not understanding the
consept of doing less of a few strokes. Does that mean instead of doing
efflorage 3 times only doing it twice? Thanks for your help.
Rania,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The
VirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show


> Rania
>
> Thanks for writing in. so I for get, did you pass and get your massage 
> license?
>
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Rania
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:59 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual 
> BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
>
> I think this would be a wonderful idea. I think it would help sited 
> people gain a better understanding of how we do things.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:04 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness 
> Challenge:The Reality Show
>
>
>> NABS
>> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>
>> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully 
>> sighted contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness
skills.
>> There are challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us 
>> what you think; is there value in this shows concept? If you have not 
>> read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and 
>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and 
>> that URL is-
>> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish
>> to
>> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and 
>> ask,
>> at- newmanrl at cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>> The Reality Show
>>
>> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On 
>> screen a tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand, 
>> cordless microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of 
>> week four, the final test. In today's challenge our remaining two 
>> students will have their final faceoff. The one to successfully 
>> complete their challenge assignment first will win the grand prize of 
>> $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman, twenty-six-years old, a single 
>> mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows a petit blonde woman with 
>> a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes and upper face. She 
>> stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests easily at her 
>> side.)
>>
>> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon 
>> Brown, 32, married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter
college."
>> (The screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned, 
>> skin tone; standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as 
>> his eyebrows in the crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below 
>> the black of the sleepshade shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>
>> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to 
>> date, allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully 
>> sighted participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All 
>> agreed to wear sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the 
>> same blindness skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is 
>> simple--if you don't excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find 
>> the
> best."
>>
>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness 
>> from that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>
>> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her 
>> face that may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into, 
>> but I'm committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel 
>> lesson; a hesitant step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the 
>> cane. Third: learning Braille; writing with a Braille slate and 
>> stylus; fingers reading a thick Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring 
>> water from a large pitcher into a small glass; Fifth: frosting a cake.
>> Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop needle threader; using a 
>> sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the screen showing 
>> what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what she keys in.
>> "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an electric hand 
>> drill.
>>
>> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling 
>> about your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>
>> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to 
>> pick-up on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can 
>> fly!"
>>
>> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>
>> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his 
>> sleepshade down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong 
>> grip, he explores a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into 
>> a Braille slate; reading a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth:
>> checking meat on a hot charcoal grill. Fifth: threading a 
>> self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a man's shirt. Sixth:
>> keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar logo, and from 
>> the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a circular saw; 
>> sanding a newly built picnic table.
>>
>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the 
>> grand prize home?"
>>
>> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this 
>> challenge to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a 
>> form of preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory.
>> But the game is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life 
>> goes on and you just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>
>> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>> "Though
>> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last 
>> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll 
>> be waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes 
>> all!
>> And
>> the clock starts now!"
>>
>> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers 
>> reading their instructions.
>>
>> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps.
>> Simon turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty 
>> turns left, north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot, 
>> cane flashing in the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 15 23:15:26 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:15:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER
	143-TheVirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
References: <2C47919A53BD4E09B144A12726A4124D@D78R0TG1><008901c9a597$809e6a00$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<1B5F1FAAAE1B4009A8855822782DBE20@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <001b01c9a5c3$ed3689f0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Ok. I am thinking of talking to my client's who are therapists in the field 
and see what feedback they can give me. I really hope that will help me so I 
can get a jump start on working tward an hour for a massage.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 
143-TheVirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show


>I would look at how you transition from one part of the body to the next. I
> mean, are your strokes slower than other peoples? I bet not, so I would 
> look
> to see how you move around the table and move from one section of the body
> to the other. (If others can due 3 strokes, then so should you.)
>
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Rania
> Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:57 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143-
> TheVirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
>
> Know I didn't I failed the Massage Technique and Practice class again. As 
> a
> result I am now applying to Institute for Theraputic Massage. I like what 
> I
> am hearing about the school as well as there experience with teaching 
> blind
> people. That school is also the school ware my massage therapist attended
> and was vary pleased. I am going for a toor on Wednesday so they are going
> to tell me what will transfer over to there program. Some of my client's 
> who
> are also massage therapists told me that it sounds like I will be in a 
> more
> supportive place. They also told me not to be afraid to use the techniques 
> I
> learned from my local community college's massage program such as nmt and
> sheiatsue and apply them to my own routine when giving a massage and 
> adding
> new techniques I learn such as rakie and medical massage. Do you have any
> tips for geting my massage down to an hour? I am still not understanding 
> the
> consept of doing less of a few strokes. Does that mean instead of doing
> efflorage 3 times only doing it twice? Thanks for your help.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The
> VirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
>
>
>> Rania
>>
>> Thanks for writing in. so I for get, did you pass and get your massage
>> license?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Rania
>> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:59 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
>> BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
>>
>> I think this would be a wonderful idea. I think it would help sited
>> people gain a better understanding of how we do things.
>> Rania,
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
>> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:04 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
>> Challenge:The Reality Show
>>
>>
>>> NABS
>>> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>>
>>> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully
>>> sighted contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness
> skills.
>>> There are challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us
>>> what you think; is there value in this shows concept? If you have not
>>> read the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and
>>> post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and
>>> that URL is-
>>> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish
>>> to
>>> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and
>>> ask,
>>> at- newmanrl at cox.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>>> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>>> The Reality Show
>>>
>>> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On
>>> screen a tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand,
>>> cordless microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of
>>> week four, the final test. In today's challenge our remaining two
>>> students will have their final faceoff. The one to successfully
>>> complete their challenge assignment first will win the grand prize of
>>> $10,000. Will it be Patty Hartman, twenty-six-years old, a single
>>> mother, and unemployed?" (The screen shows a petit blonde woman with
>>> a black sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes and upper face. She
>>> stands smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests easily at her
>>> side.)
>>>
>>> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon
>>> Brown, 32, married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter
> college."
>>> (The screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned,
>>> skin tone; standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as
>>> his eyebrows in the crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below
>>> the black of the sleepshade shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>>
>>> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to
>>> date, allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully
>>> sighted participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All
>>> agreed to wear sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the
>>> same blindness skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is
>>> simple--if you don't excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find
>>> the
>> best."
>>>
>>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness
>>> from that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>>
>>> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her
>>> face that may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into,
>>> but I'm committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel
>>> lesson; a hesitant step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the
>>> cane. Third: learning Braille; writing with a Braille slate and
>>> stylus; fingers reading a thick Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring
>>> water from a large pitcher into a small glass; Fifth: frosting a cake.
>>> Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop needle threader; using a
>>> sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the screen showing
>>> what she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what she keys in.
>>> "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an electric hand
>>> drill.
>>>
>>> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling
>>> about your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>>
>>> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to
>>> pick-up on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can
>>> fly!"
>>>
>>> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>>
>>> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his
>>> sleepshade down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong
>>> grip, he explores a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into
>>> a Braille slate; reading a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth:
>>> checking meat on a hot charcoal grill. Fifth: threading a
>>> self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a man's shirt. Sixth:
>>> keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar logo, and from
>>> the speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a circular saw;
>>> sanding a newly built picnic table.
>>>
>>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the
>>> grand prize home?"
>>>
>>> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this
>>> challenge to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a
>>> form of preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory.
>>> But the game is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life
>>> goes on and you just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>>
>>> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>>> "Though
>>> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
>>> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll
>>> be waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes
>>> all!
>>> And
>>> the clock starts now!"
>>>
>>> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers
>>> reading their instructions.
>>>
>>> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps.
>>> Simon turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty
>>> turns left, north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot,
>>> cane flashing in the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Leslie Newman
>>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04
>>> %
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From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 00:28:11 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:28:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare books not opening
In-Reply-To: <20090314222645.GH82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <CFD20EA68475485B866D1E707DA4113B@nbp2.local>
	<EDAC6F29-481E-4AF2-BD60-68DFC718EC3F@me.com>
	<20090314212606.GD82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<20090314222645.GH82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <423e6e460903151728q627a908by49a48b3be3d21690@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Antonio,
This used to happen to me all the time. The bookshare people don't
really know what it is but kept telling me to uninstall and reinstall
the unpack tool. I recommend doing that first. Also, I download books
now by pressing open instead of save on the dialog box and then
copying the 4 required files on the file screen that opens. I then
paste it into my books folder and only have to enter my bookshare
password once as opposed to the 6 or so times Kurzweil wants you to
when unpacking through their program.I hope this helps!

Best Wishes,
Domonique

On 3/14/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just realized that Bookshare erroneously tells you to download and
> use The Unarchiver with their books.  Totally unnecessary--but it's a
> useful tool, so I'll explain how to set it up.
>
> The way you use The Unarchiver is to drop it in your Applications
> directory and run it.  This will bring up its preferences dialog box,
> allowing you to decide what to use it on.
>
> In the Archive Formats tab, find the Select All button and press it.
> There's a list of archive formats above that, and I suggest
> deselecting everything between Gzip File and UNIX Compress Tar
> Archive.  The Mac can handle those itself, and there's a small bug in
> The Unarchiver.
>
> Close that, then just open the archives you want to decompress.
> They'll appear in a folder of the same name as the zip file, right
> next to it.  (You need not install The Unarchiver to do this with a
> zip file, though.)
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 02:26:06PM -0700, T. Joseph Carter wrote:
>> They're zip files now.  You no longer need the archive utility from
>> bookshare--BOMArchiveHelper (built-in Mac utility that runs when you
>> double-click a zip file) or The Unarchiver (a free replacement for
>> BOMArchiveHelper that handles a lot more archive formats--I suggest not
>> using it for .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 files due to a bug) should open
>> bookshare books directly now.
>>
>> Joseph
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 07:07:12PM -0600, Maurice Mines wrote:
>>> Also does anyone who has a Mac know how to unzip books with the archive
>>> utility from bookshare?
>>>
>>> On Mar 13, 2009, at 3:15 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Here is a bookshare question I can use some help for.
>>>>
>>>> I use BookShare in conjunction with Kurzweil. I am downloading books
>>>> that I can not open. The book title appears as a subfolder in the
>>>> downloads folder
>>>> in Kurzweil. I can not access the folder in Windows explorer. I get a
>>>> message saying "the compressed zip folder is invalid, or corrupted."
>>>> I get similar
>>>> results with Kurzweil.
>>>>
>>>> One title where this happens is 101 Ways to Answer the Toughest
>>>> Interview Questions. I would appreciate any assistance you can direct
>>>> to the list.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>>>
>>>> Customer Service Representative
>>>> National Braille Press
>>>> 1800 548-read, ext 40.
>>>> aguimaraes at nbp.org
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From minesm at me.com  Mon Mar 16 03:02:05 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:02:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A 32 GB SD Card for the Victor Streem
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00903151329v35932f79kde93455a55773f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009f01c9a5b0$4e69bf30$7b188a80@Nijatash>
	<ea6d2ed00903151329v35932f79kde93455a55773f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8AB154F6-3638-4797-9417-2AAB2027C334@me.com>

yes you can use setch a larg card the brand dos't mader if you need to  
ask mor questions please call me.
On Mar 15, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Lora wrote:

> I believe you can but it can't be a regular SD card. It has to be a  
> high
> capacity SD card hth
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Nijat Worley <nijat1989 at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>  I was wondering if any of you knew weather we can use a 32 GB SD  
>> Card on
>> the Victor Streem. Do any of you use such a large card on your victor
>> Streem? If you do, does it have to be Sand Disk Card, or can it be  
>> a HP SD
>> Card?
>>  Thanks
>>  Nijat
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From habnkid at aol.com  Mon Mar 16 06:03:28 2009
From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:03:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Racism in Blind History
Message-ID: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>


I've been doing research on the dynamics of guide dog partnerships for 
an anthropology class, and came across a really interesting passage. In 
Peter Putnam's book, Love in the Lead: The Miracle of The Seeing Eye 
Dog, I came across this fascinating statement: "As late as the 1950's, 
an association for the blind in a Southern city was posting sighted 
monitors at the doors to its Christmas party in order to segregate the 
blind guests who could not see each other's color" (Putnam 106).

Race is in some ways a very visual thing. There's a myth out there that 
blind people will not judge other's by their appearance. Through Putnam 
I've learned that some gatherings of blind people in the South have had 
sighted monitors to ensure the segregation of the colorblind 
participants. In such racist environments, it occurs to me that some of 
those blind people probably requrested the assistance of sighted people 
to uphold segregation... Gosh, here's a whole dimension of racism my 
high school teachers never dwelt on! What did racism mean to a blind 
person in, say, 1940s Burmingham? In that setting and time, were the 
dialects of the blacks and whites so similar that a blind person needed 
a sighted person to monitor segregation?

After reading that one statement in Putnam's book, I realized I know 
very little about racism in the history of blind organizations. If any 
of you have more information on this topic, please let me know.

Best,
Haben


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar 16 08:24:55 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 04:24:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Racism in Blind History
In-Reply-To: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090316042455.iusunsxhc0wggk84@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi,
How unfortunate! The blind community could have made some huge strides  
for integration and inclusion here. Too bad none thought of it.
Sarah

Quoting Haben Girma <habnkid at aol.com>:

>
> I've been doing research on the dynamics of guide dog partnerships for
> an anthropology class, and came across a really interesting passage. In
> Peter Putnam's book, Love in the Lead: The Miracle of The Seeing Eye
> Dog, I came across this fascinating statement: "As late as the 1950's,
> an association for the blind in a Southern city was posting sighted
> monitors at the doors to its Christmas party in order to segregate the
> blind guests who could not see each other's color" (Putnam 106).
>
> Race is in some ways a very visual thing. There's a myth out there that
> blind people will not judge other's by their appearance. Through Putnam
> I've learned that some gatherings of blind people in the South have had
> sighted monitors to ensure the segregation of the colorblind
> participants. In such racist environments, it occurs to me that some of
> those blind people probably requrested the assistance of sighted people
> to uphold segregation... Gosh, here's a whole dimension of racism my
> high school teachers never dwelt on! What did racism mean to a blind
> person in, say, 1940s Burmingham? In that setting and time, were the
> dialects of the blacks and whites so similar that a blind person needed
> a sighted person to monitor segregation?
>
> After reading that one statement in Putnam's book, I realized I know
> very little about racism in the history of blind organizations. If any
> of you have more information on this topic, please let me know.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Mar 16 10:13:19 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:13:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Racism in Blind History
Message-ID: <20090316101319.19953.44589@web3.serotek.com>

Wow. I'm glad you asked.

You're absolutely right in believing that the blind are no less likely 
to be racist than the sighted. I've been wondering the same thing you 
have been. I've been curious to know our organization's history in 
terms of race as well as sex. I also think that it would be prudent to 
think about LGBT issues, too. All of these are important since no blind 
people ever came in one shape, size, color, sexual orientation, sex, 
etc. We're just as diverse as the next group, and we'll need to foster 
appreciation for those differences if everyone is to be heard and 
counted. I won't lie here. You could be treading on some thin ice here, 
but I'm glad for it since this conversation, in my opinion, is very 
needed. After all, we can't know where we're going in this regard until 
we know our past, just like any other society here on Earth.

Original message:

> I've been doing research on the dynamics of guide dog partnerships for
> an anthropology class, and came across a really interesting passage. In
> Peter Putnam's book, Love in the Lead: The Miracle of The Seeing Eye
> Dog, I came across this fascinating statement: "As late as the 1950's,
> an association for the blind in a Southern city was posting sighted
> monitors at the doors to its Christmas party in order to segregate the
> blind guests who could not see each other's color" (Putnam 106).

> Race is in some ways a very visual thing. There's a myth out there that
> blind people will not judge other's by their appearance. Through Putnam
> I've learned that some gatherings of blind people in the South have had
> sighted monitors to ensure the segregation of the colorblind
> participants. In such racist environments, it occurs to me that some of
> those blind people probably requrested the assistance of sighted people
> to uphold segregation... Gosh, here's a whole dimension of racism my
> high school teachers never dwelt on! What did racism mean to a blind
> person in, say, 1940s Burmingham? In that setting and time, were the
> dialects of the blacks and whites so similar that a blind person needed
> a sighted person to monitor segregation?

> After reading that one statement in Putnam's book, I realized I know
> very little about racism in the history of blind organizations. If any
> of you have more information on this topic, please let me know.

> Best,
> Haben

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Jedi

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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 12:47:37 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:47:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A 32 GB SD Card for the Victor Streem
In-Reply-To: <ea6d2ed00903151329v35932f79kde93455a55773f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <009f01c9a5b0$4e69bf30$7b188a80@Nijatash>
	<ea6d2ed00903151329v35932f79kde93455a55773f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090316124737.GK82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>

They don't make "regular SD" in capacities higher than 4GB.  
Technically, "regular SD" should not be bigger than 2GB, but some 
non-spec 4GB SD cards do exist.  The Stream doesn't like them.  It's 
not possible to have larger non-spec cards, so a 32GB card is 
guaranteed to be SDHC.

Joseph

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:29:57PM -0600, Lora wrote:
>I believe you can but it can't be a regular SD card. It has to be a high
>capacity SD card hth


From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 13:35:21 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 06:35:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-or] Racism in Blind History
In-Reply-To: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Haben,

The first leader of the NFB, Dr. Jacobus tenBroek, took a pretty 
strong stand against racism in the early Federation.  Some argue this 
was a contributing factor in the NFB/ACB split--though it certainly 
was not the only factor.  Even so, it's almost certain that during 
the days of the split we lost Federationists to the emerging ACB with 
its laissez faire approach.

I cannot guarantee that racism in the NFB ended with the split, given 
that I was born decades later.  I don't know if even those who have 
been around long enough to know could be certain.  What is clear from 
the record, however, is that the Federation went forward with the 
clear intent to welcome all of the blind, regardless of something as 
meaningless as skin color.

Mention of racism in either organization is hard to find now, since 
it is so widely recognized as wrong in our modern world.  As with the 
rest of society, I'm sure that it is true both that there is more 
racism out there than we realize, and that some see it in places 
where it isn't.

We may draw some consolation from the fact that the blind truly are a 
cross section of society, even in this.  We may perhaps be no more 
enlightened than our sighted peers, but neither are we blissfully 
ignorant of this truly visual aspect of the world around us.

Joseph

On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:03:28PM -0700, Haben Girma wrote:
>
> I've been doing research on the dynamics of guide dog partnerships for  
> an anthropology class, and came across a really interesting passage. In  
> Peter Putnam's book, Love in the Lead: The Miracle of The Seeing Eye  
> Dog, I came across this fascinating statement: "As late as the 1950's,  
> an association for the blind in a Southern city was posting sighted  
> monitors at the doors to its Christmas party in order to segregate the  
> blind guests who could not see each other's color" (Putnam 106).
>
> Race is in some ways a very visual thing. There's a myth out there that  
> blind people will not judge other's by their appearance. Through Putnam  
> I've learned that some gatherings of blind people in the South have had  
> sighted monitors to ensure the segregation of the colorblind  
> participants. In such racist environments, it occurs to me that some of  
> those blind people probably requrested the assistance of sighted people  
> to uphold segregation... Gosh, here's a whole dimension of racism my  
> high school teachers never dwelt on! What did racism mean to a blind  
> person in, say, 1940s Burmingham? In that setting and time, were the  
> dialects of the blacks and whites so similar that a blind person needed  
> a sighted person to monitor segregation?
>
> After reading that one statement in Putnam's book, I realized I know  
> very little about racism in the history of blind organizations. If any  
> of you have more information on this topic, please let me know.
>
> Best,
> Haben
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nfb-or mailing list
> Nfb-or at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-or_nfbnet.org


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Mar 16 19:30:43 2009
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:30:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Scholarship opportunities still Available from the
	National Federation of the Blind
Message-ID: <C297D39BE5B943EFBD452DBB8AB039FD@labarre>

MessagePlease pass along the below info to all to whom it may apply.  For the Colorado scholarship, one must be a Colorado resident but can be attending school out of state.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Chris Foster 
To: cfoster at nfbco.org 
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:18 PM
Subject: Scholarship opportunities still Available from the National Federation of the Blind


Dear Colleagues,
I want to remind you all again that scholarships are still available from the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado as well as from our national scholarship program sponsored by the National Federation of the Blind.  This year, scholarship winners from either the state or national program will enjoy the opportunity to travel to our national convention in early July in Detroit, Michigan.  The deadline for applying for both of these programs is Tuesday, March 31, so there is still time to get your applications completed.

State scholarships
Attached to this message, you will find an information sheet about our 2009 National Federation of the Blind of Colorado scholarship program along with an application.  Please note that you will need an accompanying letter from an NFBCO state officer, so please act quickly.

National Scholarships
To learn more about and to apply for our national scholarship program, please go to the following link: 
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/scholarship_program.asp

There, you will find all the requirements, information, etc that you will need.  You will also be able to apply on line for our national scholarships.  Applicants may apply for both of these programs and those who have either applied for or have won NFB scholarships in the past are welcome to apply again.  Lastly, if you are not applying for scholarships this year, please share this message with anyone who may want to apply or who may be in a position to share this with other blind students.

Please let me know if you have any questions. 

Chris Foster 
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado 
Director of Community Relations 
Phone: 303-635-6583 
Email: cfoster at nfbco.org 
Web Site: www.nfbco.org 
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 20:02:32 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:02:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfb-or] Racism in Blind History
In-Reply-To: <20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
	<20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903161302w14722109y225e4682b9a838a6@mail.gmail.com>

Gedi,

I'm really glad to see LGBT issues being brought up.  I'm relatively
new to the NFB and don't know how much networking/support for those of
us who identify as LGBT there is, but it's definitely an area to look
in to and improve if necessary.
Courtney

On 3/16/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> Haben,
>
> The first leader of the NFB, Dr. Jacobus tenBroek, took a pretty
> strong stand against racism in the early Federation.  Some argue this
> was a contributing factor in the NFB/ACB split--though it certainly
> was not the only factor.  Even so, it's almost certain that during
> the days of the split we lost Federationists to the emerging ACB with
> its laissez faire approach.
>
> I cannot guarantee that racism in the NFB ended with the split, given
> that I was born decades later.  I don't know if even those who have
> been around long enough to know could be certain.  What is clear from
> the record, however, is that the Federation went forward with the
> clear intent to welcome all of the blind, regardless of something as
> meaningless as skin color.
>
> Mention of racism in either organization is hard to find now, since
> it is so widely recognized as wrong in our modern world.  As with the
> rest of society, I'm sure that it is true both that there is more
> racism out there than we realize, and that some see it in places
> where it isn't.
>
> We may draw some consolation from the fact that the blind truly are a
> cross section of society, even in this.  We may perhaps be no more
> enlightened than our sighted peers, but neither are we blissfully
> ignorant of this truly visual aspect of the world around us.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:03:28PM -0700, Haben Girma wrote:
>>
>> I've been doing research on the dynamics of guide dog partnerships for
>> an anthropology class, and came across a really interesting passage. In
>> Peter Putnam's book, Love in the Lead: The Miracle of The Seeing Eye
>> Dog, I came across this fascinating statement: "As late as the 1950's,
>> an association for the blind in a Southern city was posting sighted
>> monitors at the doors to its Christmas party in order to segregate the
>> blind guests who could not see each other's color" (Putnam 106).
>>
>> Race is in some ways a very visual thing. There's a myth out there that
>> blind people will not judge other's by their appearance. Through Putnam
>> I've learned that some gatherings of blind people in the South have had
>> sighted monitors to ensure the segregation of the colorblind
>> participants. In such racist environments, it occurs to me that some of
>> those blind people probably requrested the assistance of sighted people
>> to uphold segregation... Gosh, here's a whole dimension of racism my
>> high school teachers never dwelt on! What did racism mean to a blind
>> person in, say, 1940s Burmingham? In that setting and time, were the
>> dialects of the blacks and whites so similar that a blind person needed
>> a sighted person to monitor segregation?
>>
>> After reading that one statement in Putnam's book, I realized I know
>> very little about racism in the history of blind organizations. If any
>> of you have more information on this topic, please let me know.
>>
>> Best,
>> Haben
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nfb-or mailing list
>> Nfb-or at nfbnet.org
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Mon Mar 16 21:29:59 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (melissa Green)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:29:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A 32 GB SD Card for the Victor Streem
References: <009f01c9a5b0$4e69bf30$7b188a80@Nijatash>
Message-ID: <0F0900B654DD41449C6D513CADF651F5@melissagreen>

I don't use one of those card yet.  But on the VR Stream list I have heard 
people talking about 32 gb sd cards.  I think that you can find subscription 
information to that list on the humanware web site.  Melissa R. Green
Someone's opinion of you does not have to become your reality.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nijat Worley" <nijat1989 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 2:54 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] A 32 GB SD Card for the Victor Streem


> Hi Everyone,
>   I was wondering if any of you knew weather we can use a 32 GB SD Card on 
> the Victor Streem. Do any of you use such a large card on your victor 
> Streem? If you do, does it have to be Sand Disk Card, or can it be a HP SD 
> Card?
>   Thanks
>   Nijat
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Mon Mar 16 21:45:32 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:45:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mutual of America Foundation Recognizes National
 Federation of the Blind as Merit Finalist Award Winner
Message-ID: <auto-000093271688@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



Mutual of America Foundation Recognizes
National Federation of the Blind as Merit Finalist Award Winner



2007 Youth Slam Program Honored



Baltimore, Maryland (March 16, 2008): The National Federation of the 
Blind (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind 
people, will be recognized as a Merit Finalist Award Winner for 2008 
by Mutual of America Foundation at a Community Partnership Award 
Luncheon on Wednesday, March 18.  The luncheon will be held at the 
National Federation of the Blind headquarters in Baltimore.  The 
award was given in recognition of the NFB's Youth Slam program, a 
four-day science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) academy 
for blind youth held at Johns Hopkins University in the summer of 2007.



The luncheon will recognize the individuals and organizations that 
played a key role in the success of the Youth Slam program, including 
NASA, Maryland Space Grant Consortium, and Westminster Astronomical Society.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "We are pleased to host this luncheon and join Mutual of 
America Foundation in honoring all of the organizations who helped to 
make the 2007 Youth Slam a success.  With the help of these fine 
organizations, two hundred blind youth gained access to fields that 
are traditionally (and falsely) considered closed to them and gained 
the confidence to pursue any field of their choosing."



For more information about the National Federation of the Blind, 
please visit <http://www.nfb.org>www.nfb.org.



###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.





From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 22:10:14 2009
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:10:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Updates From The CSUN 2009 Technology and Persons With
	Disabilities Conference In Los Angeles
Message-ID: <695ace540903161510n4458b3d0wb6d5d6352c874c2a@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

As many of you know, the annual CSUN conference is just beginning in
LA.  There are expected to be several announcements in the assistive
technology field including news about accessibility features of the
popular blackberry line of pda cell phone devices.

You can follow real time updates from CSUN by periodically looking at
the web page:
http://csuntweetup.com/

If you look for the heading text on the above web page shown as
Recent Tweets tweeple are saying
this will bring you to a section that aggrigates posts that people tag with
#csun09
on Twitter.

You can also either follow or access individual conference attendee
Twitter pages.

If anyone else from the list is attending please reply.

I've attended a number of CSUN conferences and this is the first year
I've noticed such an abundance of blogging and social media content
even well before the event.  In past years, you could often count the
number of bloggers or posters or social media content publishers on
one or two hands.  But in 2009, there are 48 people at last count
scheduled to attend a Twitter blogging get together at the conference.

Best,
Mika
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala


From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Mon Mar 16 23:14:40 2009
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:14:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The
	VirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
References: <2C47919A53BD4E09B144A12726A4124D@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <9F4F12F08BED4388AF017750A0D5D904@Bird>

If they do the training properly, this would be awesome! No more looking for 
things. They actually have to know where they are and know the name of the 
thing, not just some visual aspect!

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 20:25
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The 
VirtualBlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show


> Rania
>
> Thanks for writing in. so I for get, did you pass and get your massage
> license?
>
>
>
>
> Robert Leslie Newman
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Rania
> Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 8:59 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual
> BlindnessChallenge:The Reality Show
>
> I think this would be a wonderful idea. I think it would help sited people
> gain a better understanding of how we do things.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Newman" <newmanrl at cox.net>
> To: "nfbnabs" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 11:04 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER 143- The Virtual Blindness
> Challenge:The Reality Show
>
>
>> NABS
>> RE:  The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show
>>
>> Here is my 143rd THOUGHT PROVOKER. It is a reality show. Fully sighted
>> contestants agree to forgo their sight and learn blindness skills.
>> There are challenges, winners and losers. Have a read and tell us what
>> you think; is there value in this shows concept? If you have not read
>> the PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post
>> them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that
>> URL is-
>> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish
>> to
>> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask,
>> at- newmanrl at cox.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER 143
>> The Virtual Blindness Challenge:
>> The Reality Show
>>
>> "Welcome to The Virtual Blindness Challenge: The Reality Show!  (On
>> screen a tall dark-haired man stands, long white cane in one hand,
>> cordless microphone in the other.) This is Final Challenge Day of week
>> four, the final test. In today's challenge our remaining two students
>> will have their final faceoff. The one to successfully complete their
>> challenge assignment first will win the grand prize of $10,000. Will
>> it be Patty Hartman, twenty-six-years old, a single mother, and
>> unemployed?" (The screen shows a petit blonde woman with a black
>> sleepshade strapped snuggly over her eyes and upper face. She stands
>> smiling; a long white cane as tall as she rests easily at her side.)
>>
>> The MC steps around to the second student. "Or will it be Simon Brown,
>> 32, married, a recent veteran of the Iraq War, soon to enter college."
>> (The screen fills with a well-built young man with a dark, suntanned,
>> skin tone; standing at military ease, a long white cane as tall as his
>> eyebrows in the crook of an elbow.  His facial expression below the
>> black of the sleepshade shows the nonchalance of confidence.)
>>
>> "But before we show highlights of Patty's and Simon's progress to
>> date, allow me to set the stage.  Twenty-eight days ago twelve fully
>> sighted participants began the Virtual Blindness Challenge. All agreed
>> to wear sleepshades, were given the same tools, and taught the same
>> blindness skill-sets. Ten have been eliminated. The judging is
>> simple--if you don't excel, you are cut. This challenge is to find the
> best."
>>
>> "Let us take a quick review of Patty's journey in virtual blindness
>> from that first day, up to this Final Challenge."
>>
>> The first scene: Patty is pulling on her sleepshade, a look on her
>> face that may have said, "I'm not sure what I'm getting myself into,
>> but I'm committed, I doing this!" Second: the first cane travel
>> lesson; a hesitant step, uncoordinated probing and swinging of the
>> cane. Third: learning Braille; writing with a Braille slate and
>> stylus; fingers reading a thick Braille magazine. Fourth: pouring
>> water from a large pitcher into a small glass; Fifth: frosting a cake.
>> Sixth: threading a needle with a wire-loop needle threader; using a
>> sewing machine. Seventh: seated at a computer, the screen showing what
>> she is typing and a synthesized voice enunciating what she keys in.
>> "Blindness is doable." Eighth: drilling a board with an electric hand
>> drill.
>>
>> The MC extends the microphone toward her. "Patty, how are you feeling
>> about your blindness skills?  Ready for this Final Challenge?"
>>
>> "You bet, Ross, I'm very ready. Just in the past week my ability to
>> pick-up on echo location has come in strong and now on travel, I can
>> fly!"
>>
>> "Now here is Simon's journey in virtual blindness."
>>
>> First scene: Simon, face showing quiet self-confidence slips his
>> sleepshade down over his eyes. Second: cane held steady in his strong
>> grip, he explores a staircase. Third: inserting a sheet of paper into
>> a Braille slate; reading a Braille label on a can of soup. Fourth:
>> checking meat on a hot charcoal grill. Fifth: threading a
>> self-threading needle; hand-sewing a button onto a man's shirt. Sixth:
>> keying into a laptop, its screen showing a familiar logo, and from the
>> speakers we hear, "Google." Seventh: Cutting with a circular saw;
>> sanding a newly built picnic table.
>>
>> "Simon, how are you doing? Up for the final cut; ready to take the
>> grand prize home?"
>>
>> "Yes, sir.  That's affirmative.  And Ross, you once compared this
>> challenge to military boot camp. I would say, yes, in that both are a
>> form of preparation, of training the mind, and training muscle memory.
>> But the game is different; war can kill you, blindness will not. Life
>> goes on and you just use alternative methods to be successful."
>>
>> The camera focuses on the MC handing each of them a Brailled sheet.
>> "Though
>> the day has just begun, you two have much to do. Here are your last
>> challenge instructions. Read your challenge and do your best!  We'll
>> be waiting here at the finish line with the grand prizes-winner takes 
>> all!
>> And
>> the clock starts now!"
>>
>> The camera zooms to both contestants, seated, intense faces, fingers
>> reading their instructions.
>>
>> The camera follows as both contestants walk down the front steps.
>> Simon turns right, long strides carrying him swiftly south. Patty
>> turns left, north, her shorter stride quickening, moving into a trot,
>> cane flashing in the early morning sun, she begins to run.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Leslie Newman
>> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
>> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
>> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
>>
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From habnkid at aol.com  Tue Mar 17 02:26:24 2009
From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:26:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Off-topic: RESEARCH STUDYBlind people's perceptions of race
Message-ID: <49BF0A50.5080505@aol.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[nagdu] Off-topic: RESEARCH STUDYBlind people's perceptions of 
race
Date: 	Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:32:54 -0400
From: 	sblanjones11 <sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net>
Reply-To: 	NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>



If you have been blind since birth, and want to participate in a research
study regarding blind people's perceptions of race/ethnicity,
please respond to the research assistant directly at
kchase at gmail.com
What she wrote to me is below my name.
Thanks.
Susan & Rhoda



Hello,
 
My name is Katy Chase. I am working on a project for Osagie Obasogie, whom
you might remember speaking to about a year ago. His research project
involved talking to blind people about their perceptions of race. He is
expanding this project, and I'm working as his research assistant.
 
Thank you for so generously giving your time and sharing your input for the
project. We wanted to follow up with you and see whether you know of any
other people who have been blind since birth who we might be able to talk
to. Their identity will remain protected, as their information (name,
location, contact information, etc.) will not be shared with anyone besides
Osagie and myself.
 
Thank you for your time, and I would be so grateful to hear back from you.
If anyone comes to mind, it would be great if you could forward their names,
email addresses and phone numbers.
 
Take care, and have a great day.
 
Best,
Katy Chase 


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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 00:36:49 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 20:36:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABSLink Management Announcement
Message-ID: <1D6FA31008D64E2AB3E2F65489F83E39@Rufus>

Hello students,

This is just a brief notice to alert you to my resuming primary management
of the NABSLink.org web site until June 30.  As you know, NABSLink.org is
the main online channel of communication for the national student division,
and from this point forward all questions and concerns should be forwarded
to me.  What you may not know is that I am a busy guy, and so while I may
not respond to your request post haste, I hope to be able to find willing
volunteers to help carry the site to its second phase and help field
requests.

For me the first order of business is creating space for student divisions
that do not have a presence online.  If you have a web site, please send me
the URL so that we may link to you from NABSLink.  If you do not have a web
site, web page or anything online, send me a message with your phone number
and best time to call.  We'll talk about how we can best set you up with a
page on our site.  If the information listed on the State Contacts section
is incorrect, please alert me of this.

In the next few weeks I will set up a teleconference inviting interested
volunteers to step forth and share a little of their time and talent.  Until
then, let's get this thing moving!

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 18 01:01:13 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:01:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
Message-ID: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>

    Hi all,

We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  I know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons and no visual display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems what are they?
I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it independently if i can.  Thanks.

Ashley

From amylsabo at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 03:16:23 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 03:16:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>
Message-ID: <537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

hello ashely and all,

to answer your questions about the ipod and the itunes here it is along with my opinion on it too! the ipod in my mind isn't accessible at all and before jfw 10 came along the software wasn't accessible at all. but, i could be wrong on it since i haven't gone to it since the release of jfw 10 and played around with it myself.

i would recommend if i were you to use a accessible mp3 player like the victor stream to listen to your music. it's soooo accessible in putting music onto the player. for putting the music onto the player the songs need to be in mp3 format and itunes doesn't support music in that format.

so, that's my forte and 2 cents worth on this topic. but, i'm sure that others on this list will be happy to chime in with their comments and suggestion for this topic. take care and i will talk to you all soon!



hugs,
from amy

----- Original Message -----

From: Ashley Bramlett 

To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 

Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes



    Hi all,



We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  I know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons and no visual display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems what are they?

I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it independently if i can.  Thanks.



Ashley

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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 03:19:41 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:19:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>
References: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903172019i1ca59a16g7df3268215740241@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,

Any version of ITunes from eight up is accessible.  I am sure there
are others on the list who are more knowledgable about whatever
glitches still may occurr in these versions.
Courtney

On 3/17/09, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>     Hi all,
>
> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  I know
> the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons and no visual
> display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems what are they?
> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it independently if i
> can.  Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From cassonw at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 05:55:08 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 22:55:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>
	<537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0903172255o5aabc466yd4aab91d42786ab1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

first, Amy says that iTunes does not support mp3 this is incorrect.  Also,
iTunes has made many improvements in accessibility in version 8 and i use
win-eyes 7 and the few glitches there seemed to be in version 8 orf iTunes
have been worked out in 8.1.   note that iTunes is still not accessible to
version 6 of wineyes due to its lack of scrypting ability.  I have heard and
it seems to be the opinion of those on the list who use it, that version 10
of jaws works well with iTunes.

As for iPods, the 4th generation iPod Nano has fully speaking menus and
track info.  Note there are some features and settings are not spoken.
iTunes is required for this to work.  it uses the default voice that is set
in windows or the default voice set for voiceover in macs.

Here is the link to the page on apples website pertaining to accessibility
for the iPod and iTunes.
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/vision.html

Hope this is helpful.  Feel free to email me if you would like more details
Bill

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:

> hello ashely and all,
>
> to answer your questions about the ipod and the itunes here it is along
> with my opinion on it too! the ipod in my mind isn't accessible at all and
> before jfw 10 came along the software wasn't accessible at all. but, i could
> be wrong on it since i haven't gone to it since the release of jfw 10 and
> played around with it myself.
>
> i would recommend if i were you to use a accessible mp3 player like the
> victor stream to listen to your music. it's soooo accessible in putting
> music onto the player. for putting the music onto the player the songs need
> to be in mp3 format and itunes doesn't support music in that format.
>
> so, that's my forte and 2 cents worth on this topic. but, i'm sure that
> others on this list will be happy to chime in with their comments and
> suggestion for this topic. take care and i will talk to you all soon!
>
>
>
> hugs,
> from amy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ashley Bramlett
>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>
> Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC)
>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
>
>
>
>    Hi all,
>
>
>
> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  I
> know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons and no visual
> display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems what are they?
>
> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it independently if i
> can.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Ashley
>
> _______________________________________________
>
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>
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>
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From cassonw at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 06:08:26 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:08:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <26d2dfeb0903172255o5aabc466yd4aab91d42786ab1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>
	<537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<26d2dfeb0903172255o5aabc466yd4aab91d42786ab1@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi again,

Forgot to discuss the shuffle.  So,the last version of the shuffle has
tactile buttons and is pretty useable if you don't care what songs you're
listening to.  The newest version of the shuffle, which i am not totaly sure
when it will be released but it has been announced, will have no buttons on
the device itself, but they will all be on a preprietary set of their cheep
bad sounding headphones.  This means of course first that if the headphones
break you have pretty much one choice to replace them and they will probably
be overpriced.  second, this means if you would like a set of good head
phones, you will be forced to buy a 20 or 30 dollar adapter in order to use
the device with other head phones.

As an editorial, i think prepriatary hardware is anti-consumer, and is
simply a ploy to force us to buy stuff from them so they can make more
money.  I also think that consumers should speak out against the new shuffle
by not buying it.  If enough people don't buy the device because it has
prepriatary headphones, maybe they won't do it for other devices or future
versions of the shuffle.

Hope the first part was helpful, sorry about the rant, but i think it
matters,
Bill

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Bill <cassonw at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> first, Amy says that iTunes does not support mp3 this is incorrect.  Also,
> iTunes has made many improvements in accessibility in version 8 and i use
> win-eyes 7 and the few glitches there seemed to be in version 8 orf iTunes
> have been worked out in 8.1.   note that iTunes is still not accessible to
> version 6 of wineyes due to its lack of scrypting ability.  I have heard and
> it seems to be the opinion of those on the list who use it, that version 10
> of jaws works well with iTunes.
>
> As for iPods, the 4th generation iPod Nano has fully speaking menus and
> track info.  Note there are some features and settings are not spoken.
> iTunes is required for this to work.  it uses the default voice that is set
> in windows or the default voice set for voiceover in macs.
>
> Here is the link to the page on apples website pertaining to accessibility
> for the iPod and iTunes.
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/vision.html
>
> Hope this is helpful.  Feel free to email me if you would like more details
> Bill
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> hello ashely and all,
>>
>> to answer your questions about the ipod and the itunes here it is along
>> with my opinion on it too! the ipod in my mind isn't accessible at all and
>> before jfw 10 came along the software wasn't accessible at all. but, i could
>> be wrong on it since i haven't gone to it since the release of jfw 10 and
>> played around with it myself.
>>
>> i would recommend if i were you to use a accessible mp3 player like the
>> victor stream to listen to your music. it's soooo accessible in putting
>> music onto the player. for putting the music onto the player the songs need
>> to be in mp3 format and itunes doesn't support music in that format.
>>
>> so, that's my forte and 2 cents worth on this topic. but, i'm sure that
>> others on this list will be happy to chime in with their comments and
>> suggestion for this topic. take care and i will talk to you all soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> from amy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Ashley Bramlett
>>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>
>> Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC)
>>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
>>
>>
>>
>>    Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  I
>> know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons and no visual
>> display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems what are they?
>>
>> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it independently if
>> i can.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Mar 18 08:27:18 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:27:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20090318042718.leui5xd8vco400sg@webmail.utoronto.ca>

I don't know if you knew this, but they now have a talking ipod  
shuffle! It's so cool - it says aloud the song title, if you want, or  
the playlist titles as you navigate through them. Pretty awesome if  
you ask me. They're expensive though ($100 CAD or I think $80 US) but  
might be worth it if you planned on buying one anyway.

I don't own an ipod, and though I have itunes I don't use it to its  
full capacity so couldn't comment specifically on its accessibility.  
Good luck with it though.
Sarah


Quoting Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net>:

> hello ashely and all,
>
> to answer your questions about the ipod and the itunes here it is   
> along with my opinion on it too! the ipod in my mind isn't   
> accessible at all and before jfw 10 came along the software wasn't   
> accessible at all. but, i could be wrong on it since i haven't gone   
> to it since the release of jfw 10 and played around with it myself.
>
> i would recommend if i were you to use a accessible mp3 player like   
> the victor stream to listen to your music. it's soooo accessible in   
> putting music onto the player. for putting the music onto the player  
>  the songs need to be in mp3 format and itunes doesn't support music  
>  in that format.
>
> so, that's my forte and 2 cents worth on this topic. but, i'm sure   
> that others on this list will be happy to chime in with their   
> comments and suggestion for this topic. take care and i will talk to  
>  you all soon!
>
>
>
> hugs,
> from amy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ashley Bramlett
>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>
> Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC)
>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
>
>
>
>     Hi all,
>
>
>
> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  
>   I know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons   
> and no visual display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems  
>  what are they?
>
> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it   
> independently if i can.  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Ashley
>
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>
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From jess28 at samobile.net  Wed Mar 18 10:45:20 2009
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica Trask)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:45:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
Message-ID: <20090318104520.29140.80996@web2.serotek.com>

Ashley,
There is now a newer generation of the Ipod Shuffle out that is totally 
accessible. What Apple has basically done is put their screen reader on 
it which at the moment I'm drawing a blank on what the nane of it is.

-- 
Jessica Trask
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 10:57:50 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 06:57:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <20090318042718.leui5xd8vco400sg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <4383d01d0903180357w50afb4eia90fc176125592f2@mail.gmail.com>

I was thinking about getting a I-pod, but decided against it because
of acessibility issues.  I use JFW 7, so I-tunes might not work
anyway.  But I need this version of JAWS in order for my music
programs to work properly.  Plus I use Google Talk as sort of an
e-mail counter, and it requires scripts that only work with JAWS 6
anyway, but 7 works fine.  I can only imagine what JAWS 10 will do to
both my Lime program and my Google Talk program.  Man!
Beth

On 3/18/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> I don't know if you knew this, but they now have a talking ipod
> shuffle! It's so cool - it says aloud the song title, if you want, or
> the playlist titles as you navigate through them. Pretty awesome if
> you ask me. They're expensive though ($100 CAD or I think $80 US) but
> might be worth it if you planned on buying one anyway.
>
> I don't own an ipod, and though I have itunes I don't use it to its
> full capacity so couldn't comment specifically on its accessibility.
> Good luck with it though.
> Sarah
>
>
> Quoting Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net>:
>
>> hello ashely and all,
>>
>> to answer your questions about the ipod and the itunes here it is
>> along with my opinion on it too! the ipod in my mind isn't
>> accessible at all and before jfw 10 came along the software wasn't
>> accessible at all. but, i could be wrong on it since i haven't gone
>> to it since the release of jfw 10 and played around with it myself.
>>
>> i would recommend if i were you to use a accessible mp3 player like
>> the victor stream to listen to your music. it's soooo accessible in
>> putting music onto the player. for putting the music onto the player
>>  the songs need to be in mp3 format and itunes doesn't support music
>>  in that format.
>>
>> so, that's my forte and 2 cents worth on this topic. but, i'm sure
>> that others on this list will be happy to chime in with their
>> comments and suggestion for this topic. take care and i will talk to
>>  you all soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> from amy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Ashley Bramlett
>>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>
>> Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC)
>>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?
>>   I know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons
>> and no visual display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems
>>  what are they?
>>
>> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it
>> independently if i can.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From nicolas.lagace at humanware.com  Wed Mar 18 14:13:46 2009
From: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com (HumanWare)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:13:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] HumanWare Unveils Victor Reader Stream 3.0
Message-ID: <auto-000089951861@mailfront1.g2host.com>

HUMANWARE UNVEILS VICTOR READER STREAM 3.0

[This announcement is displayed in text only for 
accessibility with Braille Notetakers. A web 
version with images is available at: 
http://www.humanware.com/en-canada/about_us/press_releases/2009_press_releases/humanware_unveils_victor_reader_stream_3]

Los Angeles California, March 17, 2009 -- Today 
at the annual CSUN technology conference in Los 
Angeles, HumanWare announced the latest version 
of its popular Victor Reader Stream DAISY NISO 
book player, MP3 player, and voice recorder. The 
latest release of software for the Stream is 
version 3.0. It is a free upgrade software for 
the tens of thousands of users who now enjoy their Stream worldwide.

Version 3.0 is a major release packed with new 
features that continue to distinguish the Stream 
as the industry leader among pocket size 
accessible players. Version 3.0 responds to 
popular requests received from many Stream customers. New features include:

• Multi-level bookshelf navigation for Other 
Books, Podcasts, and Text. Now you can optionally 
organize these bookshelves into multiple levels 
of folders and navigate at those levels.
• Multi-level folder navigation within Music 
files. For example,  now you could choose to 
organize your music by levels such as genre, 
artist, and album and navigate at those levels to 
more quickly find your desired music.
• Further you can now instantly create temporary 
playlists of any subset of your music collection 
and limit Random play to only that portion of your music.
• Moreover, you can turn random play on or off 
with a single key  press like many commercial MP3 players.
• Text Search. Yes, now you can enter words to 
search for in your text files or text-only DAISY books.
• Bookmark alert. You can enable an optional 
bookmark alert feature to notify you when you are 
playing a book and pass over a previously 
bookmarked position. It will even automatically announce your audio bookmarks.
• Two text-to-speech voices. The English version 
of Stream 3.0 will now include both a male and female text-to-speech voice.
• A 30 minute Time Jump feature and many other 
usability improvements have been added.


"With the increasing use of 8gb, 16, and even 
32gb storage cards, users are managing ever 
increasing amounts of data on their Stream", says 
Gerry Chevalier, Victor Reader Product Manager. 
"With thousands of music files and hundreds of 
podcasts or text files they have asked us to 
provide more efficient navigation and version 3 delivers just that."

Says Chevalier, "The improved navigation as well 
as the bookmark alert, text search and other 
usability improvements in Stream 3.0 renews 
HumanWare's commitment to our Stream customers 
that we would continue to enhance the Stream over 
time to maximize their Stream investment."

And there's more. HumanWare is pleased to 
announce that Stream 3.0 will also be accompanied 
by a completely new-look Stream Companion 
software. The new Stream Companion 3.0 Windows 
software has a completely new menu driven 
interface, support for the new Bookshare zip format, and more.

HumanWare expects to have both the Stream 3.0 and 
Companion 3.0 available for free download before 
the end of March. The software will be made 
available on the Stream Support Page 
(http://www.humanware.com/en-usa/support/victor_reader_stream). 
To receive  an email announcement for this 
release and stay informed on future Stream 
activities be sure to Register to the Stream 
Newswire 
(http://www.humanware.com/en-canada/products/blindness/dtb_players/compact_models/stream_news).


-----------------------------------
Contact:

USA: 1 800 722-3393 or 925 680-7100

UK/Europe: +44 1933 415 800

Canada: 1 888 723-7273 or +1 450 463 1717

Australia/Asia: +61 2 9686 2600

New Zealand:  +64 3 384 4555



Media contact:

HumanWare
Nicolas Lagace
Tel.: (450) 463-1717
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From carrie.smoot at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 14:17:59 2009
From: carrie.smoot at gmail.com (Carrie Smoot)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:17:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CAREER OPPORTUNITIES: Entry Level Programmer Analysts:
 Westchester County, New York and Hunterdon County, New Jersey
Message-ID: <auto-000093527684@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following:

Dave

Dear Mr. Andrews:

As you know, the job market is extremely tough right now, with fewer
organizations hiring. Fortunately, Lift, Inc. has exciting career
positions in information technology, and I need your help in filling
them.

Do you know seniors graduating this year who are ready to begin
careers? Or recent graduates who are job hunting? If so, we have
entry-level programmer-analyst positions in Westchester County, New
York and Hunterdon County, New Jersey. The openings offer a wonderful
work environment with excellent salaries and outstanding promotion
potential.

No prior work experience is required, which is unusual in today's very
competitive employment market.

Feel free to forward this job announcement to anyone you think might
be interested in these exceptional opportunities.  Please also feel
free to post the attached Microsoft Word document on bulletin boards,
and to include it in mailing lists.

Thank you for your help in spreading the word!  If you have any
questions, please visit our website, at www.lift-inc.org, or call Ron
Kozberg at 908-226-1193.

Sincerely,

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Recruitment Coordinator
Lift, Inc.

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From kim at senderogroup.com  Wed Mar 18 14:24:19 2009
From: kim at senderogroup.com (Kim Casey)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 09:24:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Sendero March Highlights
Message-ID: <auto-000089954467@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Hello Sendero Users,

1. Now available, a Sendero GPS Pay As You Go purchase plan for GPS 
on BrailleNote products. Pay $199 for the software, $99 for a 
receiver and $99 for a 16GB compact flash card if you need it. Then 
pay $99 per month for 13 months. Details available upon request. An 
ongoing payment plan also available for subsequent upgrades.

2. Sendero activities at CSUN:
* Find us in the Marriott, booth 232.
* Attend our two presentations: Friday at noon - Highlight on 
Accessible GPS in the Marriott Saddle Brook room and Friday at 4:20PM 
Analysis of Accessible GPS in the Marriott Dallas room.
* Sendero Group/Sweetman Systems reception, Friday 5:30 in the 
Marriott Suite 1719.  Come Celebrate new GPS products and Sweetman's 
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3. Announcing the new i-Blue 737 A+ GPS receiver, significant 
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4. Don't miss out on Sendero's GPS upgrade 25% off deal for the rest 
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From minesm at me.com  Wed Mar 18 14:47:53 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:47:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <20090318104520.29140.80996@web2.serotek.com>
References: <20090318104520.29140.80996@web2.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <CAB13A6C-8513-4BF6-86CF-DA23FDCC72E3@me.com>

it is voiceover I use a mac but i have a older ipod am thinking about  
getting a new one.that talks. hth Maurice
On Mar 18, 2009, at 4:45 AM, Jessica Trask wrote:

> Ashley,
> There is now a newer generation of the Ipod Shuffle out that is  
> totally accessible. What Apple has basically done is put their  
> screen reader on it which at the moment I'm drawing a blank on what  
> the nane of it is.
>
> -- 
> Jessica Trask
> www. samobile.net/users/jess28
> Facebook Jessica Trask
> private email jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 14:55:23 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:55:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
References: <020BE6326579455485678B361773C684@Ashley>
Message-ID: <978F0AE4EA8A401FB604568B7693C4D6@Gateway>

Ashley,

The Ipod Nano 4th Generation is accessible. It has spoken menus.

Itunes is accessible, that is, the latest fversion. I've heard that it's 
only accessible with JFW 9 and above, but I have JFW 7.1, and it works fine 
for me. It's not what you might want to call "easy," but it's doable as far 
as I can tell.

Jen

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SKYPE: J.Aberdeen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes


>    Hi all,
>
> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?  I 
> know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons and no 
> visual display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems what are 
> they?
> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it independently if 
> i can.  Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From nicolas.lagace at humanware.com  Wed Mar 18 19:17:59 2009
From: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com (HumanWare)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:17:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KeySoft 7.5 build 31 Bookshare update now released
Message-ID: <auto-000090018644@mailfront1.g2host.com>

KEYSOFT 7.5 BUILD 31 BOOKSHARE UPDATE NOW RELEASED

[This announcement is displayed in text only for accessibility with 
Braille Notetakers. A web version is available at: 
http://www.humanware.com/en-usa/about_us/press_releases/2009_press_releases/keysoft_75_build_31_bookshare_update_now_released]

Longueuil, Quebec, March 18 2009 -- KeySoft 7.5, Build 31 for the 
BrailleNote mPower, BrailleNote Classic and BrailleNote PK has been 
released today.

In January 2009 Bookshare updated their web site offering members a 
number of benefits including a change from their proprietary 
decompression technology, (the unpack tool), to the industry standard 
unzip technology.  This change temporarily interrupted access to 
Bookshare books using the BrailleNote family of products.  From 
Bookshare member feedback and comments we recognized the importance 
of this access and are releasing this free update that fixes the 
ability to download and unzip books to current users of KeySoft 7.5.

For users of the BrailleNote PK and Classic we have also taken the 
opportunity to correct the error associated with scheduling an 
appointment, and the failure in some circumstances to retain words 
added to the spelling dictionary that were corrected for mPower users 
in Build 29.  For PK users the long term issue of sometimes losing 
speech has been identified and corrected.

Please read the file "Release Note for KeySoft 7.5 Build 31" for 
further tips on using the Bookshare site with your BrailleNote.

We encourage existing KeySoft 7.5 users to take advantage of this 
important Bookshare access update as the Development Team finalizes 
the release of KeySoft 8.0.

Installation Notes:

BrailleNote mPower

Users upgrading their mPower from an earlier version of KeySoft 7.5 
do not have to download and re-install the 7.5 Product Key. Users 
installing KeySoft 7.5 for the first time will need to obtain a 
Product key. The following brief instructions apply to those Users 
who are already running KeySoft 7.5 on their mPower.

Simply download the new Bin file from the KeySoft 7.5 Upgrade page, 
using the link "KeySoft 7.5 mPower Download".

Save the Bin file to a correctly prepared SD card. This card must be 
512mB or less in capacity. Insert the card in the mPower, connect the 
AC Adapter, and perform a Reset with dots 4-5 held down. The upgrade 
process will then begin. Do not remove the AC adapter or press Reset 
during the upgrade process.

BrailleNote Classic

Users upgrading their Classic from an earlier version of KeySoft 7.5 
do not have to download and re-install the 7.5 Product Key. Users 
installing KeySoft 7.5 for the first time will need to obtain a 
Product key. The following brief instructions apply to those Users 
who are already running KeySoft 7.5 on their Classic.

Simply download the new Bin file from the KeySoft 7.5 Upgrade page, 
using the link "KeySoft 7.5 Classic Download".

Save the Bin file to a Compact Flash card. Connect the AC Adapter, 
and perform a Reset with dots 4-5 held down. The upgrade process will 
then begin. Do not remove the AC adapter or press Reset during the 
upgrade process.

BrailleNote PK

The following brief instructions apply to PK Users.

Download the correct version of the BrailleNote PK Upgrader, using 
the link "BrailleNote PK Upgrader".

Download the new NB0 file from the KeySoft 7.5 Upgrade page, using 
the link "KeySoft 7.5 BrailleNote PK Download".

Save both files to a Compact Flash card. Connect the AC Adapter, and 
run the "BrailleNote PK Upgrade.exe" using the Utilities Menu, 
Application Program option. The upgrade process will then begin. Do 
not remove the AC adapter or press Reset during the upgrade process.

KeySoft 7.5 upgrade page: 
http://www.humanware.com/en-usa/support/braillenote/software/keysoft_7.5_upgrade


-----------------------------------
Contact:

USA: 1 800 722-3393 or 925 680-7100

UK/Europe: +44 1933 415 800

Canada: 1 888 723-7273 or +1 450 463 1717

Australia/Asia: +61 2 9686 2600

New Zealand:  +64 3 384 4555



Media contact:

HumanWare
Nicolas Lagace
Tel.: (450) 463-1717
E-mail: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com




From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Mar 18 20:47:33 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:47:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] K1000 for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000093608219@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Kimberly Aguillard" <kags312 at hotmail.com>
>To: <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Please Circulate
>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:09:50 -0600

I have been asked to circulate the following:

Dave



>
>I have an unopened, brand new Kurzweil 1000 scanning package for 
>sale. This package sells for $995 and I am only asking $700 or best offer.
>
>Please email <mailto:kags312 at hotmail.com>kags312 at hotmail.com to 
>learn more, or you can reach me at (409) 233-9089.
>
>

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 18 22:18:09 2009
From: priscillagarces1987 at hotmail.com (priscilla)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:18:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and iTunes
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1237395603.17097.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.27.1237395603.17097.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY105-DS4BDB88A4BA658289D419BBA990@phx.gbl>

Hey all listers,
There was an announcement in the apple wet site that states that the new 
ipod shuffle now talks by the use of voiceover. you can find that out on the 
apple website Apple.com on the accessibility section
ITunes is very accessible with jfw 10 and I like it.
also the ipod nano 4th generation is accessible, but they need to improve it 
a bit more since it can't read contacts, the time and date, the alarm clock, 
and a couple other stuff which is not too necessary for now.
I only wish that I can put my calendar on my ipod and reader it so I know 
which appointment I need or have.
I wish the contacts can be read so I don't west time searching it on my 
phone.
I wrote a letter to apple by email and they said that when more info comes 
they let me know about the update on the ipod nano's firmware.
other than that, I am happy with all the features it can read despite its 
tiny size and I think it has been the best investment lol.

well, class started so I hope to keep updated.

Thank you very much.

Priscilla
 



From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 23:17:06 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:17:06 EDT
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindlaw] BGL Disability Rights Fellowship
Message-ID: <c8d.3f44f412.36f2daf2@aol.com>

Hello,
 
Below please find an announcement about a fellowship at Brown Goldstein and  
Levy, a Maryland law firm.  I was a Project Attorney with BGL, and it is a  
wonderful firm.  I highly encourage you to apply if you are interested in  
working for a firm that is committed to advancing the rights of its clients,  
appreciates diversity in its staff, and fosters a familial atmosphere.
 
Regards,
Ronza
 
 
 
 
  
____________________________________
 From: ms at browngold.com
Reply-to: blindlaw at nfbnet.org
To:  blindlaw at nfbnet.org
Sent: 3/18/2009 2:31:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight  Time
Subj: [blindlaw] BGL Disability Rights Fellowship


Dear All,

I'm pleased to make the following  announcement on behalf of Brown, Goldstein 
& Levy.  I hope that many  of you will apply.  Please let me know if you have 
any  questions.

Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, is proud to introduce a  one-year disability 
rights fellowship.  The Fellowship offers a recent  law-school graduate or 
judicial clerk (0 to 3 years out) with a disability the  opportunity to participate 
in all phases of disability rights litigation at  our firm in Baltimore, 
Maryland.  Brown, Goldstein & Levy is a  16-lawyer, Baltimore-based law firm 
devoted principally to litigation.   The firm has developed a national reputation 
for its high-profile, high-impact  disability rights cases.  The one-year 
fellowship will begin in September  2009. The application deadline is April 15, 
2009.   Please visit our  website for additional details about the fellowship and 
the firm and to  download an application:  
www.browngold.com<http://www.browngold.com/>.

Mehgan  Sidhu
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
120 East Baltimore Street, Suite  1700
Baltimore, Maryland 21202
410-962-1030 x1324
410-385-0869  (fax)
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 04:42:50 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:42:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <20090318104520.29140.80996@web2.serotek.com>
References: <20090318104520.29140.80996@web2.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <20090319044250.GF5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>

All versions of the shuffle are accessible.  The question is, what do 
you want it to do?

The new shuffle requires "special" headphones, but is otherwise 
pretty cool.  The current nano is also designed to be accessible.

Apple's iTunes software works fairly well with screen readers 
nowadays, but as otherwise noted it's not the easiest program in the 
world with older screen reader versions.

Anapod is still out there and for $30 gives you direct windows 
explorer access to your iPod music database and is 100% accessible.

Neither the iPod touch nor iPhone are accessible at this time, and 
the iPod classic could be, but isn't.

Joseph

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 06:45:20AM -0400, Jessica Trask wrote:
> Ashley,
> There is now a newer generation of the Ipod Shuffle out that is totally  
> accessible. What Apple has basically done is put their screen reader on  
> it which at the moment I'm drawing a blank on what the nane of it is.
>
> -- 
> Jessica Trask
> www. samobile.net/users/jess28
> Facebook Jessica Trask
> private email jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com
>
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit  
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 04:46:44 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:46:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
In-Reply-To: <20090318042718.leui5xd8vco400sg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <537158152.10666401237346183031.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<20090318042718.leui5xd8vco400sg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20090319044644.GG5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>

To take a little wind out of the sails, the new talking iPods 
literally just use the host computer's built-in text to speech 
engines to record small AAC files of the computer saying the name of 
the song.  RockBox did the same thing, but it's not built-in speech.  
It's really just a new feature of iTunes for these specific iPod 
versions.

Joseph

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 04:27:18AM -0400, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca wrote:
> I don't know if you knew this, but they now have a talking ipod shuffle! 
> It's so cool - it says aloud the song title, if you want, or the playlist 
> titles as you navigate through them. Pretty awesome if you ask me. 
> They're expensive though ($100 CAD or I think $80 US) but might be worth 
> it if you planned on buying one anyway.
>
> I don't own an ipod, and though I have itunes I don't use it to its full 
> capacity so couldn't comment specifically on its accessibility. Good luck 
> with it though.
> Sarah
>
>
> Quoting Amy Sabo <amylsabo at comcast.net>:
>
>> hello ashely and all,
>>
>> to answer your questions about the ipod and the itunes here it is   
>> along with my opinion on it too! the ipod in my mind isn't  accessible 
>> at all and before jfw 10 came along the software wasn't  accessible at 
>> all. but, i could be wrong on it since i haven't gone  to it since the 
>> release of jfw 10 and played around with it myself.
>>
>> i would recommend if i were you to use a accessible mp3 player like   
>> the victor stream to listen to your music. it's soooo accessible in   
>> putting music onto the player. for putting the music onto the player  
>> the songs need to be in mp3 format and itunes doesn't support music  in 
>> that format.
>>
>> so, that's my forte and 2 cents worth on this topic. but, i'm sure   
>> that others on this list will be happy to chime in with their   
>> comments and suggestion for this topic. take care and i will talk to  
>> you all soon!
>>
>>
>>
>> hugs,
>> from amy
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Ashley Bramlett
>>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>
>> Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:01:13 +0000 (UTC)
>>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod and itunes
>>
>>
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> We all like music of some kind.  What accessible Ipods are ut there?   
>> I know the Ipod shuffle is usable because it has tactile buttons  and 
>> no visual display.  Is itunes accessible?  If there are problems  what 
>> are they?
>>
>> I'm going to use itunes to get music and would access it   
>> independently if i can.  Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ashley
>>
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 07:48:57 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 00:48:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] ScanSnap
Message-ID: <20090319074857.GH5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>

He all,

I was wondering if any of you had ever seen the Fujitsu ScanSnap 
sheet-fed scanners?  The marketing materials make it sound like a 
truly remarkable little device.

The portable version can be connected to two USB ports (needed for 
power) and folds down into something the size of a box of aluminum 
foil.  The desktop version folds up into a "blobject" smaller than 
most inkjet printers.

Supposedly what sets the thing apart is how you use it.  Plug the 
thing in, open it up, stick documents into the hopper, press the 
button, and watch the show.  The show consists of two-sided scanning, 
handling of different-sized pages, correcting skewed documents, and 
depending on what you've configured it to do, it can also OCR the 
documents and do other post-processing.

The software suites vary between Mac and PC, but on the PC side the 
software includes Acrobat, FineReader, and CardMinder, as well as its 
own document manager.  The Mac version exists (and it's what I'd buy 
for myself), but I wonder how accessible the software is to Windows 
screen readers?

The major thing about this device is that it is not TWAIN or ISIS 
compliant.  You could arrange that via the UNIX SANE system and 
whatever passes for a TWAIN-SANE bridge for Windows, but that's just 
crazy-talk in my mind.  It's really meant to use with its own 
software, and its own software generates documents, not images.

Has anyone tried it?  I suspect the basic scanner driver probably 
works well, and you could then set it up to open PDFs with whatever 
you like.  (Most Windows ScanSnap users recommend OneNote, but blind 
users may find any number of other things to use..)  I wonder though 
if the ScanSnap Organizer is even remotely usable by a blind person.

Flatbed scanners are just horrid for anything but pictures, in my 
mind.  I'm kind of excited by the prospect of the ScanSnap because 
people say it really is what it claims to be: A document scanner, 
designed to get paper into your computer in an indexed, sorted, and 
searchable way.  Stick "accessible" in there somewhere and Fujitsu is 
gonna sell a lot of these things to blind people.

Joseph



From mildredrivera at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 19 16:37:29 2009
From: mildredrivera at yahoo.com (Mildred Rivera-Rau)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:37:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: JOBS @ EEOC -- hurry over 70 positions
Message-ID: <auto-000093724990@mailfront2.g2host.com>


From: Mildred Rivera-Rau <mildredrivera at yahoo.com>
Subject: JOBS @ EEOC -- hurry over 70 positions
To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:51 AM


I wanted to let everyone know that EEOC is going through a hiring 
phase. We are looking for over 70 investigators and other positions 
nation-wide. Please forward this information to relevant disability 
list serves if you have contacts. We would like to hire people with 
targeted disabilities. If the posting says "status candidates" that 
includes people with Schedule A hiring but not the general 
public.  Please see this link:

<http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/jobsearch.asp?q=&jbf574=EE00&lid=&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=&paygrademax=&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=%2Fagency_search.asp&SUBMIT1.x=95&SUBMIT1.y=10>http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/jobsearch.asp?q=&jbf574=EE00&lid=&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=&paygrademax=&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=%2Fagency_search.asp&SUBMIT1.x=95&SUBMIT1.y=10

Good luck!!












From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Thu Mar 19 16:39:16 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:39:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Microsoft Save as DAISY version 2 launched
Message-ID: <auto-000093725206@mailfront2.g2host.com>


 >>> "George Kerscher" <kerscher at montana.com> 3/19/2009 10:44 AM >>>
Dear Members and Friends,

Yesterday  announcements were made about Save as DAISY add-in Version 2 for
Microsoft Word. This release includes a lite version of the DAISY Pipeline.
This will generate full text and full audio in a one-step process.

In addition, Microsoft announced Project Buttercup, which is a browser-based
player that uses Microsoft  silverlight  for the presentation of full text
and full audio.

The DAISY Press release can be found at:
<http://www.daisy.org/news/attachments/2009_03_18_Press_Release.html>http://www.daisy.org/news/attachments/2009_03_18_Press_Release.html

I would like to thank the  staff and the consultants  who have been
working on this project. I also want to thank all of the beta testers who
submitted bugs; this process is essential to improve the software.

Best
George

George Kerscher Ph.D.
In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.
Secretary General, DAISY Consortium
<http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
Senior Officer, Accessible Technology Recording For the Blind & Dyslexic
(RFB&D)
<http://www.rfbd.org>http://www.rfbd.org
Co-chair Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the W3C
<http://www.w3c.org/wai>http://www.w3c.org/wai
Board Representative to the International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)
<http://www.idpf.org>http://www.idpf.org
Phone: +1 406/549-4687
Email: kerscher at montana.com




From MThorpe at nfb.org  Thu Mar 19 17:48:23 2009
From: MThorpe at nfb.org (Thorpe,
	Mary Jo)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:48:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Beginnings and Blueprints Early Childhood Conference
Message-ID: <auto-000090177284@mailfront1.g2host.com>


National Federation of the Blind Beginnings and Blueprints

Early Childhood Conference

May 8-9, 2009



The NFB Jernigan Institute is holding an innovative Beginnings and 
Blueprints Early Childhood Conference in collaboration with the 
National Organization of Parents of Blind Children and various 
resources in the field of early childhood from across the 
mid-Atlantic region.  This two-day conference will bring together 
families of blind children ages birth to seven, early childhood 
providers, teachers, and professionals in order to disseminate the 
NFB's approach to best practices in early childhood education for 
blind children.



Families of blind and low vision children ages birth to seven who 
live in the Mid-Atlantic region are encouraged to attend.  Families 
who live outside of the mid-Atlantic region are also welcome to 
attend if they so desire, but should be aware that some of the 
exhibits and information will be region-specific.  Various 
organizations and programs within this area will be present for 
consultation and to provide presentations to families on what 
resources are available in their state children are encouraged to 
attend with their parents as there will be activities for young blind 
children in mind.



Please complete the online registration form or print the 
registration form (Word) and submit this by April 15, 2009.  This can 
be found at 
<http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Beginnings_Blueprints.asp>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Beginnings_Blueprints.asp 
You can also learn more about the conference at that site.



  For more Information    please contact Mary Jo Thorpe, Education 
Programs Specialist, NFB Jernigan Institute, at (410) 659-9314, ext. 2407.
MThorpe at nfb.org









From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Thu Mar 19 21:02:34 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:02:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: email2phone Service for the Blind and Visually
	Impaired
Message-ID: <auto-000093777350@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the below announcement,
David Andrews


My name is Ron Schroeder, I am the Marketing Director for 
email2phone.net an Internet and technology company that offers a 
versatile service that converts ordinary text emails to voice 
messages and delivers them over the phone. We are soliciting your 
comments because we believe that email2phone.net may constitute a 
powerful new and innovative tool for the blind and visually 
impaired.  We are also attempting to establish a dialog with 
organizations such as yours to gain feedback and possibly incorporate 
any special requirements that you may suggest into future upgrades of 
the email2phone system and web site.

email2phone.net Service for the Blind and Visually Impaired
Through the use of assistive technologies, email2phone.net provides 
the blind and visually impaired a means to utilize and participate in 
the email connection without visual devices.   Using computer 
software and modern speech technology, email2phone.net converts 
ordinary text emails into phone voice messages and delivers them to 
any phone, anywhere and also provides the user with the capability to 
dial-in and listen to their email voice messages.  This simple 
concept can help overcome the unique set of challenges faced by the 
blind and visually impaired and place them 'in the loop' of 
communications with family and friends.  To many it can also mean a 
more active role in their job or organization.  Easy to set up, easy 
to use, and virtually maintenance free, email2phone.net users do not 
need to own a computer.

How does email2phone.net work?
A user account is created with email2phone.net and an email address 
similar to yourname at email2phone.net is assigned.   Emails may be sent 
directly to this address.
Users may also set the preference in their regular email service 
(AOL, Yahoo, Gmail, etc.) to forward emails to 
yourname at email2phone.net.  Emails that are received by 
email2phone.net are then converted into a high-quality voice messages 
and delivered to the specified phone number.   The receiver of the 
email2phone.net voice message has the option to reply to the sender.
The user may also choose to dial in to their email2phone.net account 
and select the messages they want to listen to as high-quality voice 
messages.   An optional feature of email2phone.net, used instead of 
forwarding emails from email service accounts, provides the user with 
direct dial in access to unopened emails in their email service 
accounts (visit the email2phone.net web site at 
<http://www.email2phone.net/>www.email2phone.net for a complete 
description of email2phone.net features).

How can prospective users try email2phone.net service and how much 
does it cost?
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Mar 19 21:14:12 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:14:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley to Serve as Honorary
 Co-chair of Braille Literacy Campaign
Message-ID: <auto-000090220643@mailfront1.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



Governor Martin O'Malley to Serve as
Honorary Co-chair of Braille Literacy Campaign



Baltimore, Maryland (March 19, 2009): The 
National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the 
nation’s leading advocate for Braille literacy, 
announced today that Maryland Governor Martin 
O'Malley will serve as an honorary co-chair of 
the NFB’s Braille literacy campaign.  As a 
co-chair, Governor O'Malley will help advance the 
NFB’s Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, a 
national initiative to promote the importance of 
reading and writing Braille for blind children 
and adults.  The Braille Readers are Leaders 
campaign kicked off in July of 2008 with the 
unveiling of the design of a commemorative coin 
to be released on March 26, 2009, in recognition 
of the two-hundredth anniversary of the birth of 
Louis Braille (1809–1852), the inventor of the 
reading and writing code for the blind that bears his name.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “The National 
Federation of the Blind is pleased to have 
Governor O'Malley as part of this historic 
initiative to bring Braille literacy to all of 
the blind children and adults in America who need 
it.  As the respected governor of the fine state 
of Maryland, home to the headquarters of the 
National Federation of the Blind, Governor 
O'Malley will be an invaluable asset in reaching 
out to the citizens of Maryland to share his 
belief in Braille literacy.  There can be no 
doubt that the ability to read and write Braille 
competently and efficiently is the key to 
education, employment, and success for the 
blind.  Despite the undisputed value of Braille, 
however, only about 10 percent of blind children 
in the United States are currently learning 
it.  Society would never accept a 10 percent 
literacy rate among sighted children; it should 
not accept such an outrageously low literacy rate 
among the blind.  The Braille Readers are Leaders 
campaign, with the support of influential 
Americans like Governor O'Malley, will reverse 
the downward trend in Braille literacy and ensure 
that equal opportunities in education and 
employment are available to all of the nation’s blind.”



Governor Martin O'Malley said: “I am honored and 
pleased to serve as an honorary co-chair of the 
Braille Readers are Leaders campaign.  I have 
worked with the National Federation of the Blind 
many times, and I truly believe in its mission to 
bring literacy to all blind children and 
adults.  Blind people have the same right to 
literacy as everyone else and I am eager to 
participate in the campaign to accomplish this mission.”



For more information about the Braille Readers 
are Leaders campaign and the Louis Braille 
commemorative coin, please visit <http://www.braille.org/>www.braille.org.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.









From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 22:43:47 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:43:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ScanSnap
In-Reply-To: <20090319074857.GH5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>
References: <20090319074857.GH5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>
Message-ID: <423e6e460903191543p27f1e42eubf4dcaf17ec8d23a@mail.gmail.com>

Joseph,
That sounds really cool. if you decide to buy it  could you let us
know how it works out?

Domonique

On 3/19/09, T. Joseph Carter <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> He all,
>
> I was wondering if any of you had ever seen the Fujitsu ScanSnap
> sheet-fed scanners?  The marketing materials make it sound like a
> truly remarkable little device.
>
> The portable version can be connected to two USB ports (needed for
> power) and folds down into something the size of a box of aluminum
> foil.  The desktop version folds up into a "blobject" smaller than
> most inkjet printers.
>
> Supposedly what sets the thing apart is how you use it.  Plug the
> thing in, open it up, stick documents into the hopper, press the
> button, and watch the show.  The show consists of two-sided scanning,
> handling of different-sized pages, correcting skewed documents, and
> depending on what you've configured it to do, it can also OCR the
> documents and do other post-processing.
>
> The software suites vary between Mac and PC, but on the PC side the
> software includes Acrobat, FineReader, and CardMinder, as well as its
> own document manager.  The Mac version exists (and it's what I'd buy
> for myself), but I wonder how accessible the software is to Windows
> screen readers?
>
> The major thing about this device is that it is not TWAIN or ISIS
> compliant.  You could arrange that via the UNIX SANE system and
> whatever passes for a TWAIN-SANE bridge for Windows, but that's just
> crazy-talk in my mind.  It's really meant to use with its own
> software, and its own software generates documents, not images.
>
> Has anyone tried it?  I suspect the basic scanner driver probably
> works well, and you could then set it up to open PDFs with whatever
> you like.  (Most Windows ScanSnap users recommend OneNote, but blind
> users may find any number of other things to use..)  I wonder though
> if the ScanSnap Organizer is even remotely usable by a blind person.
>
> Flatbed scanners are just horrid for anything but pictures, in my
> mind.  I'm kind of excited by the prospect of the ScanSnap because
> people say it really is what it claims to be: A document scanner,
> designed to get paper into your computer in an indexed, sorted, and
> searchable way.  Stick "accessible" in there somewhere and Fujitsu is
> gonna sell a lot of these things to blind people.
>
> Joseph
>
>
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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Fri Mar 20 14:22:13 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:22:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: GW Micro Announces New Products and Developments at
	CSUN
Message-ID: <auto-000093865317@mailfront2.g2host.com>

 >>> <gw-news at gwmicro.com> 3/20/2009 1:53 AM >>>

GW Micro Announces New Products and Developments at CSUN 2009

GW Micro continues to lead the way with exciting new products and 
developments being announced during the CSUN Conference at the Los 
Angeles Airport Marriott from March 18 through 21. If you are 
attending CSUN, we invite you to visit with us in Booth 314.

Window-Eyes 7.01 Features

The Window-Eyes 7.01 feature set is extensive: Scripting, 
Placemarkers, Enhanced Control Search, Unicode support, iTunes, 
Firefox 3, keyboard language announcement, Eloquence and more. We are 
very excited about these features, and are continuing to demonstrate 
them. In addition, the power of scripting is being exhibited with the 
new WE4Java script, by Jay Macarty. WE4Java provides comprehensive 
support for Java applications without using additional third party add-ons.

Preview of Window-Eyes 7.1

We are previewing Window-Eyes 7.1, which will include full support 
for 64-bit versions of Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 
operating systems. We are also demonstrating Window-Eyes on Windows 
7, including 64-bit versions of Windows 7. In addition, Window-Eyes 
7.1 will include many enhanced Braille features (including line mode, 
and speech box mode), enhanced support for standard edit boxes 
(including 100% text accuracy), several new scripting related 
features (such as a new, customizable script menu, the ability to add 
menus in dialogs, built-in update checking, and more), and support 
for Internet Explorer 8 and Thunderbird 3.

Two Exciting New Products

GW Micro is also announcing two exciting new products - Book Sense, a 
portable digital audio book player, and Braille Sense Plus QWERTY, 
the new version of the Braille Sense Plus, featuring a standard 
keyboard and Braille display.

Book Sense

The new portable digital audio book player, Book Sense, lets users 
access information for education, information, and entertainment. 
Students can access school textbooks, people in the workplace can 
stay current with journals or business magazines, and anyone can 
enjoy newspapers, favorite novels, or a bestseller.

With a comfortable feel when held in your hand, Book Sense is very 
easy to use. Weighing only four ounces (115g), it is portable and 
powerful and easily fits into a shirt pocket, backpack, or purse, so 
you can take it anywhere.

Two models are offered - Book Sense and Book Sense XT. Both models 
play audio files, DAISY content, Secured-Digital (SD) memory card 
slot, and built-in recorder. The media player supports a variety of 
formats, such as MP3, MP4, OGG, WAV, WAX, MPC, and WMA.

The Book Sense model features an SD memory card with 1 GB of storage. 
Book Sense XT has internal 4GB storage memory, built-in Bluetooth, 
and an FM radio.

With Book Sense, you can access digital talking books from providers 
such as Reading for the Blind and Dyslexic (RFB&D), the National 
Library Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped (NLS), 
BookShare, and Audible.

Book Sense makes it simple by utilizing the USB port to connect to 
your PC to transfer downloaded books and music directly to the Book 
Sense XT or to an SD memory card for use in either model.

The book reader mode supports several file formats, including txt, 
rtf, doc, docx, html, xml, and brf.

Pricing for Book Sense will be decided soon and shipping will start 
later this year.

Braille Sense Plus QWERTY

In response to people who have asked for a notetaker with a standard 
keyboard, GW Micro listened and developed the Braille Sense Plus 
QWERTY. Now you can type on a standard keyboard and also have a 
Braille display in a notetaker that is still small and portable.

Equipped with 32 Braille cells and speech output, the Braille Sense 
Plus QWERTY weighs only two lbs (924g), so you can carry it without 
experiencing shoulder pain from lugging a heavy laptop or notetaker.

It has 8GB of built-in memory and allows you to have plenty of 
storage for all the files you download using the built-in WI-Fi or 
Ethernet connection. There is 128MB of RAM for quick response time. 
The VGA Port allows you to have a conversation with a large group 
using an external monitor or projector. It also has one SD slot, one 
CF slot, two USB ports, and a user-removable battery. It also has 
built-in Bluetooth.

GW Sense Navigation (SenseNav) wayfinding is available as an option 
for anyone who travels.

Pricing for Braille Sense Plus QWERTY will be decided soon and 
shipping will start later this year.

Sense Navigation Rebate Promotion

GW Micro is also announcing a special CSUN promotional rebate on 
SenseNav. Anyone who purchases SenseNav at the retail price of $1,549 
between now and the end of March will receive a $150 rebate.

SenseNav version 1.3, released in December 2008, is the GPS add-on 
for the GW Micro Sense notetakers, which include the new Braille 
Sense Plus QWERTY being introduced at CSUN, along with Voice Sense, 
Braille Sense Plus, and Braille Sense Original.

SenseNav consists of an 8GB CF card containing every file you need to 
travel the U.S. or Canada. Other countries are available. A CD that 
may be used in your computer or audio CD player is included. The CD 
provides an audio tutorial, the user manual in text format, and other 
system files. You receive the Holux M-1000 receiver with AC adapter 
and custom-carrying case.

To obtain your $150 rebate, just submit your receipt for the retail 
purchase price of $1,549 along with your request for the rebate, and 
GW Micro will provide a check to you. Send your request and receipt 
to: GW Micro, 725 Airport North Office Park, Fort Wayne, IN 46825.

GW Micro and Lexmark Offer Easier Accessibility

Users of GW Micro's Window-Eyes screen-reading software and Sense 
notetakers will now find it easier to use Lexmark's Multifunction 
Printers (MFPs) thanks to Lexmark's Accessibility Solution.

In the past it has been difficult or impossible for blind or 
low-vision people to access LCD screens on multi-function copiers. 
Due to the collaboration between GW Micro and Lexmark, we are making 
Lexmark MFPs accessible to blind and visually impaired consumers.

The web-based software lets you set up and complete copy, fax, 
e-mail, ftp and scan jobs directly from your PC or notetaker, rather 
than from the MFP touchscreen display.

The software works with GW Micro's Window-Eyes, Voice Sense, Braille 
Sense, Braille Sense Plus, and Braille Sense Plus QWERTY.

You now have access to almost every setting and option available on 
Lexmark's MFPs to ensure that you can accomplish equivalent tasks to 
those completed directly from the touchscreen. You can control more 
than 120 settings/options, change accessibility application display 
options like font size and foreground/background colors, and check 
the working status of the MFP.

Lexmark and GW Micro are demonstrating the Accessibility Solution in 
the GW Micro booth 314 at CSUN.




From jbeasley at jb11.net  Fri Mar 20 14:31:20 2009
From: jbeasley at jb11.net (Jeremiah Beasley)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:31:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of Wisconsin Convention ONLINE
Message-ID: <auto-000093866820@mailfront2.g2host.com>


Greetings!

The NFB of Wisconsin is holding our state convention this 
weekend.  We are streaming our convention live.  Please tune in at 
<http://www.nfbwis.org>www.nfbwis.org!  We will be streaming all day 
Friday, Saturday and Sunday morning.

Thanks for joining us for this exciting convention!

Jeremiah Beasley




From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 01:07:15 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 18:07:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] ScanSnap
In-Reply-To: <423e6e460903191543p27f1e42eubf4dcaf17ec8d23a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090319074857.GH5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<423e6e460903191543p27f1e42eubf4dcaf17ec8d23a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090321010715.GO5269@yumi.bluecherry.net>

Domonique,  I'd be getting the Mac version, so I wouldn't be using 
the Windows ScanSnap Manager or Organizer.  On the Mac, the software 
is a little less advanced, so you pretty much have to stitch together 
your own software workflow.  If you're doing that as a blind person, 
obviously you'll do it using components that are accessible.

That option exists for Windows too--but since the Windows version has 
slightly more advanced software such as ScanSnap Organizer, there's 
less need to build a custom workflow.  That's totally fine, since on 
the Mac there are a number of tools that serve that function by 
providing databases for PDF files.  Plus we've got AppleScript to 
chain together more complex workflows and Automator to make 
AppleScript something any user can do pretty easily.

The latest desktop model (S1500 or S1500M) works on Windows or Mac 
without hacks--if I get that one, I'll install the Windows ScanSnap 
Manager and ScanSnap Organizer and see how they work with Window 
Eyes.  I don't have JAWS, and my Window Eyes version is far from 
current at this point.

Joseph

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 05:43:47PM -0500, Domonique Lawless wrote:
>Joseph,
>That sounds really cool. if you decide to buy it  could you let us
>know how it works out?
>
>Domonique


From ms at browngold.com  Sat Mar 21 16:56:24 2009
From: ms at browngold.com (Mehgan Sidhu)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:56:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [blindlaw] BGL Disability Rights Fellowship
Message-ID: <auto-000090444561@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear All,

I'm pleased to make the following announcement on behalf of Brown, 
Goldstein & Levy.  I hope that many of you will apply.  Please let me 
know if you have any questions.

Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, is proud to introduce a one-year 
disability rights fellowship.  The Fellowship offers a recent 
law-school graduate or judicial clerk (0 to 3 years out) with a 
disability the opportunity to participate in all phases of disability 
rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland.  Brown, 
Goldstein & Levy is a 16-lawyer, Baltimore-based law firm devoted 
principally to litigation.  The firm has developed a national 
reputation for its high-profile, high-impact disability rights 
cases.  The one-year fellowship will begin in September 2009. The 
application deadline is April 15, 2009.   Please visit our website 
for additional details about the fellowship and the firm and to 
download an application: www.browngold.com<http://www.browngold.com/>.

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Baltimore, Maryland 21202
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From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Sat Mar 21 22:18:20 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 18:18:20 EDT
Subject: [nabs-l] Bus from Detroit Airport to Marriott
Message-ID: <c85.483eb13b.36f6c1ac@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,
 
Today, I booked my hotel room for convention.  I was a bit worried  about the 
$40 cab fare each way from the hotel to the airport, so I asked about  
cheaper transportation and learned the following:
 
There is a bus that picks up from Baggage Claim at both airport terminals  
every half hour on week days and every hour on weekends.  The fare is  $1.50. It 
drops off two blocks from the Marriott.  It also does the return  trip to the 
airport for the same fare.  It is the Fort Street bus  #125.  
 
I was really excited about this because it means I can save $77 in  
transportation costs and wanted to share the information with all of you.   Hope this 
helps.
 
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Sun Mar 22 20:05:32 2009
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:05:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Perform-talk] Music theory text
Message-ID: <297535287.1131441237752332488.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

hello all,

here's a message that i got from someone off the perform-talk list in regards to obtaining music theory text in accessible format. hopefully, someone here can assist him!


hugs to all,
from amy
----- Forwarded Message -----

From: Brad Dunse 

To: Perform Talk NFB 

Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:44:23 +0000 (UTC)

Subject: [Perform-talk] Music theory text



Hello,



A newbee to this list. I am looking for access to music theory books in 

either text/electronic format or sound recording, preferrably electronic. 

I've checked Bookshare and find nothing and NLS seems to be having an issue 

of some sort. I would like this to expand my own knowledge more on music 

plus eventually teach guitar techniques and theory. Thanks for any help.



Brad







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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 17:48:23 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:48:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] email
Message-ID: <fc8eb2b0903221048k5ab57111scb1fc11f9b8982a4@mail.gmail.com>

mhy email is troubleclark at gmail.com


From qmsingleton at comcast.net  Sun Mar 22 21:34:15 2009
From: qmsingleton at comcast.net (Quintina M. Singleton)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 16:34:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Jim McCarthy on Thruoureyes
Message-ID: <auto-000094072552@mailfront2.g2host.com>


The next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" live internet radio show is 
scheduled for <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Wednesday March 25, 2009 at

8:00 PM EST.

Guest host, Jerry Moreno, will be interviewing director of 
governmental affairs for the National

Federation of the Blind, James McCarthy.

A brief summary of this year's Washington Seminar, what listeners 
could be doing

to assist in legislative initiatives presently, and advisement 
concerning how to

stay informed with legislative issues year round are topics that will 
be discussed

on the evening's show.

I invite you to visit

www.thruoureyes.org

  or to

hear the program live via telephone dial 201 793 9022 with the access code:

2400484.

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To phone in live during the show use:

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From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 23 04:46:27 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:46:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] for those who went to NABS seminar this weekend
Message-ID: <BAY136-W2398B4C5DD8CF1E1BA9044DF920@phx.gbl>


Hey guys, Juan Munoz here. I had a really awesome time in Baltimore with all of you, but I regret to say I didn't get everyone's contact info. If you want to add me on Facebook, my e-mail is

blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com

Otherwise, send me yours so we can keep in touch and swap notes on our divisions from time to time. Hope to be at national in a few months, and I hope you'll join me. Talk to you all soon.

 

Juan

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From davidb521 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 20:47:40 2009
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:47:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
Message-ID: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>

Hi, 
I am interested to know if there is a print page to Braille page ratio. I am specifically referring to novels with regular sized print. Generally speaking, how many Braille pages makes up a print page? 
Thanks, 
David

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 11:32:25 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 07:32:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
Message-ID: <000a01c9abab$0bbc0ac0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school. What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite questions.
Thank you.
Rania,

From chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 01:38:33 2009
From: chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com (Chelsea Munoz)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:38:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] for those who went to NABS seminar this weekend
In-Reply-To: <BAY136-W2398B4C5DD8CF1E1BA9044DF920@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY136-W2398B4C5DD8CF1E1BA9044DF920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000301c9ac21$442df2d0$cc89d870$@com>

Hey other Munoz,
Just in case you don't have my email address, it's
chelseamunoz1028 at gmail.com
I hope all's well; keep in touch. As always, great seeing you and once
again, enjoying the laughter that you and James cause.
Take care,
Chelsea



From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 24 04:32:28 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:32:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
In-Reply-To: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>
References: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>
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It certainly varies from book to book, but generally speaking, about 2-3 braille pages to 1 print page is the norm from what I've noticed.
 
> From: davidb521 at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:47:40 -0500
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
> 
> Hi, 
> I am interested to know if there is a print page to Braille page ratio. I am specifically referring to novels with regular sized print. Generally speaking, how many Braille pages makes up a print page? 
> Thanks, 
> David
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From BrailleWB at gmx.net  Mon Mar 23 15:48:44 2009
From: BrailleWB at gmx.net (Paul Kronenberg)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:48:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Without Borders
Message-ID: <auto-000090596745@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

The International Institute for Social Entrepreneurs is a 
not-for-profit educational training center for blind and partially 
sighted adults who have a desire to foster social change in their 
communities and throughout the world. Located in Kerala, India, this 
eleven-month training course founded by Braille Without Borders 
offers full scholarships and transport to qualified, motivated 
candidates.  The course covers business management, communication, 
project and financial planning, open source computer technology, 
English, public speaking, and fund-raising, among other subjects.

The institute is now accepting applications for the course beginning 
January, 2010.  In order to ensure that we reach as wide a pool of 
potential candidates as possible, we ask for your assistance in 
disseminating the information below to appropriate individuals and 
pertinent organizations. Thank you for your help!

Attention! Attention!

Do you experience social discrimination?
Is it your dream to change and improve the situation?
If yes, the International Institute for Social Entrepreneurs (IISE) 
is the right place to be. The IISE seeks to empower people, 
especially blind and partially sighted, to become social 
entrepreneurs in your communities.
Candidates from all over the world who are at least eighteen and 
older and who can read and write English are invited to apply for 
this one-year program before the 30th of June.
Computer literacy training, public speaking, fund raising, and 
management are some of the courses offered here.
For more information please visit our website at 
<http://www.bwb-iise.org/>http://www.bwb-iise.org/<?xml:namespace 
prefix = o />
You can also write to BrailleWB at gmx.net or per regular post to:

Braille Without Borders
International Institute for Social Entrepreneurs
c/o P. Kronenberg
Vivekanenda Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode, Nemom PO, TRV 695020
KERALA, INDIA
or fax your questions to: Fax 0031848307904

More languages of the above text can be found on our 
<http://www.braillewithoutborders.org/ENGLISH/conceptkerala.html>website

Please find below the application form for the 2010 course. If you 
feel like you are the right one for this training, please copy the 
questions in a Word or Open Office document, answer them by yourself 
with the English knowledge you have and send it together with your CV 
to <mailto:BrailleWB at gmx.net>BrailleWB at gmx.net.  Add in Subject: 
"application" and your full name.


APPLICATION FORM: 2010 IISE COURSE:
Name
First
Surname
Date of birth
Address
Post code
City/town
Country
Tel
Fax
Email
Gender
Gradation of blindness
Language skills
Education

Please send two letters of recommendation, pererably from a present 
or former employer, teacher or colleague which include their contact details.

1. Please tell us your reason(s) for applying for the IISE Course in Kerala
     in no more than 100words.
2. Please tell us more about your rough idea or vision on setting up your
     own social project or improvingexisting ones? What is your motivation?
3. Where do you plan to set up your project?
4. What target group will benefit?
5. Why do you believe your idea is important? Please give your reasons.
6. How will you achieve your vision?
7. What help will you need?
     - what people can help, what resources do you try to find, where would you
       find funding
8.   How long do you think it will take to set up your idea/vision?
9.   What is your current profession?
10. Braille and language skills: Do you read, write and speak?
        what languages: Local Braille, English grade 1, English grade 
2, other languages. Black
        print, regular print, large print.
11. How do you judge your mobility and orientation skills?
12. Do you use computertechnology? If yes, what are your skills? What 
programmes do you use?

We are looking forward to hearing from you.
With best regards,

Sabriye Tenberken and Paul Kronenberg
Founders
Braille Without Borders

Contact details project Kerala:
E-mail: BrailleWB at gmx.net


From aphelps at BISM.org  Tue Mar 24 12:46:21 2009
From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:46:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
In-Reply-To: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>
References: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <144BBD32E57C5045B736FBC8D447D0EC02030752@blindmail.BISM.COM>

David, For some reason 4-1 sticks out in my mind, but I know Mrs. Maurer
would know for certain. 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of David Bouchard
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:48 PM
To: National Association Of Blind Students (NABS)
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages

Hi, 
I am interested to know if there is a print page to Braille page ratio.
I am specifically referring to novels with regular sized print.
Generally speaking, how many Braille pages makes up a print page? 
Thanks, 
David
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 22:09:47 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:09:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
In-Reply-To: <144BBD32E57C5045B736FBC8D447D0EC02030752@blindmail.BISM.COM>
References: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>
	<144BBD32E57C5045B736FBC8D447D0EC02030752@blindmail.BISM.COM>
Message-ID: <fc8eb2b0903241509o5b43da13g7226cefd05802043@mail.gmail.com>

Dear David
This is Nathan Clark from Maryland. It is 3 braille pages to one print page.



On 3/24/09, Amy Phelps <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
> David, For some reason 4-1 sticks out in my mind, but I know Mrs. Maurer
> would know for certain.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of David Bouchard
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:48 PM
> To: National Association Of Blind Students (NABS)
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
>
> Hi,
> I am interested to know if there is a print page to Braille page ratio.
> I am specifically referring to novels with regular sized print.
> Generally speaking, how many Braille pages makes up a print page?
> Thanks,
> David
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 22:15:16 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:15:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
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Dear Rani
Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?

Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
> questions.
> Thank you.
> Rania,
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 22:34:21 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:34:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
References: <000a01c9abab$0bbc0ac0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c9acd0$ae4f2fd0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

thanks.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.


> Dear Rani
> Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
>> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
>> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
>> questions.
>> Thank you.
>> Rania,
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From sarah at growingstrong.org  Tue Mar 24 23:17:20 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:17:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Versus Print Pages
References: <49c7f59f.02015a0a.498a.ffffd67b@mx.google.com><144BBD32E57C5045B736FBC8D447D0EC02030752@blindmail.BISM.COM>
	<fc8eb2b0903241509o5b43da13g7226cefd05802043@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <893AFADB21A34A6B997A9186E7AFA32F@TINYLAPTOP>

It is approximately 3 braille pages to one print page; however, a great 
number of factors influence this ratio anad this is not always a reliable 
estimate.

Sarah J. Blake
Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org
http://www.growingstrong.org 


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From braillewoman at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 25 00:51:44 2009
From: braillewoman at earthlink.net (Marianne Haas)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:51:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
In-Reply-To: <fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c201c9ace3$dea9e680$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>

Hi,
I have another question that I ask for people I need to hire:
Are there any reasons why you could not perform your job duties?  Make sure
you spell out in writing what you need: punctuality, etc.  Also, for your
own safety make sure they have a good driving record, updated license and
car insurance.

Marianne 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nathan Clark
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.

Dear Rani
Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?

Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
> questions.
> Thank you.
> Rania,
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Mar 25 01:37:59 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:37:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
In-Reply-To: <fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01c9abab$0bbc0ac0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090324213759.5115fmmv5wgggkkg@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi Rania,
I've never had to do this either, but you might want to get a criminal  
records check done for them - ask them to submit one to you with their  
resume and cover letter. Ask for references and follow up with them.  
You're putting a lot of trust into this person and you don't want any  
doubts about them at all. Questions such as why they've applied for  
the position, why they think they'd be good at it, their  
strengths/weaknesses are a good idea. Also ask if they've had similar  
experiences, or have any contact with people with visual impairment.
Good luck,
Sarah



Quoting Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com>:

> Dear Rani
> Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
>> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
>> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
>> questions.
>> Thank you.
>> Rania,
>> _______________________________________________
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 01:41:15 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:41:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
In-Reply-To: <00c201c9ace3$dea9e680$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>
References: <fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
	<00c201c9ace3$dea9e680$2101a8c0@vusd.solanocoe.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0903241841u670b5d90p143073b7ae6f40d1@mail.gmail.com>

I second all you said, Marianne.  I would never even want someone with
even one speeding ticket that was $200 or more.  One thing I would
ask, though, just to be sure, is, "Can we do a test drive together?"
Beth

On 3/24/09, Marianne Haas <braillewoman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have another question that I ask for people I need to hire:
> Are there any reasons why you could not perform your job duties?  Make sure
> you spell out in writing what you need: punctuality, etc.  Also, for your
> own safety make sure they have a good driving record, updated license and
> car insurance.
>
> Marianne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Nathan Clark
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:15 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
>
> Dear Rani
> Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
>> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
>> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
>> questions.
>> Thank you.
>> Rania,
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Wed Mar 25 01:51:49 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:51:49 EDT
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBI Scholarships and Internships
Message-ID: <be6.4721dbeb.36fae835@aol.com>

Dear Friends,
 
I wanted to remind you that National Federation of the Blind of Illinois  
Scholarship and Internship applications are due next Tuesday, March 31.   I've 
attached both applications to this message.
 
The scholarship program funds education for blind students who are living  in 
or attending school in Illinois and are enrolled in a postsecondary  program. 
 The Internship Program provides stipends to students who obtain  unpaid 
summer employment in the area of their vocational goal.  
 
Please visit _http://www.nfbofillinois_ (http://www.nfbofillinois)  for more  
information about both programs.
 
Also, please remember that the deadline to submit a National Scholarship  
Application is also March 31.  You may complete this application by  visiting 
_http://www.nfb.org_ (http://www.nfb.org) .
 
Thanks, and good luck!
 
Ronza
 
**************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy 
steps! 
(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220085203x1201389322/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 03:54:06 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:54:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
In-Reply-To: <20090324213759.5115fmmv5wgggkkg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <000a01c9abab$0bbc0ac0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090324213759.5115fmmv5wgggkkg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0903242054r7e310589of94a04f64c42c999@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah,

What's the best way to criminal record check smebody?  I've tried
looking in the white pages and such, but there are no free criminal
record checks websites I know of.  Most of the time you have to buy
them.
Beth
P.S. Am I correct about the buying thing?

On 3/24/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi Rania,
> I've never had to do this either, but you might want to get a criminal
> records check done for them - ask them to submit one to you with their
> resume and cover letter. Ask for references and follow up with them.
> You're putting a lot of trust into this person and you don't want any
> doubts about them at all. Questions such as why they've applied for
> the position, why they think they'd be good at it, their
> strengths/weaknesses are a good idea. Also ask if they've had similar
> experiences, or have any contact with people with visual impairment.
> Good luck,
> Sarah
>
>
>
> Quoting Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Rani
>> Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan Clark
>>
>> On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
>>> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
>>> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
>>> questions.
>>> Thank you.
>>> Rania,
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 25 05:19:55 2009
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:19:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MO convention stream
Message-ID: <auto-000094444158@mailfront2.g2host.com>

hi,

Barring any hotel issues this year, the NFB of Missouri convention 
will be streamed on the internet this Saturday from 8:30a to 12:00p 
and 1:30p to 5:00p for sure.
It's also possible the banquet will be streamed from 6:30p to 11:30p.

You can hear the stream by navigating to: 
<http://www.nfbmo.org/listen.m3u>www.nfbmo.org/listen.m3u.

Bryan Schulz
The BEST Solution
<http://www.best-acts.com>www.best-acts.com



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Mar 25 05:38:28 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:38:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0903242054r7e310589of94a04f64c42c999@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01c9abab$0bbc0ac0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090324213759.5115fmmv5wgggkkg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
	<4383d01d0903242054r7e310589of94a04f64c42c999@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090325013828.0zppod540g0000cc@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi Beth,
You can get them online? Cool! I didn't know that. When a potential  
employer, for paid work or volunteering,  has asked me for one, I've  
had to go to my local police station and get one myself. You do have  
to pay for them, unfortunately, but it's necessary to have one for  
many job/volunteer position applications.
Have a good day,
Sarah


Quoting Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>:

> Sarah,
>
> What's the best way to criminal record check smebody?  I've tried
> looking in the white pages and such, but there are no free criminal
> record checks websites I know of.  Most of the time you have to buy
> them.
> Beth
> P.S. Am I correct about the buying thing?
>
> On 3/24/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> Hi Rania,
>> I've never had to do this either, but you might want to get a criminal
>> records check done for them - ask them to submit one to you with their
>> resume and cover letter. Ask for references and follow up with them.
>> You're putting a lot of trust into this person and you don't want any
>> doubts about them at all. Questions such as why they've applied for
>> the position, why they think they'd be good at it, their
>> strengths/weaknesses are a good idea. Also ask if they've had similar
>> experiences, or have any contact with people with visual impairment.
>> Good luck,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Dear Rani
>>> Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Nathan Clark
>>>
>>> On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from school.
>>>> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
>>>> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
>>>> questions.
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> Rania,
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Wed Mar 25 13:38:10 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:38:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] printing to PDF
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
	<20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<7949e5e20903161302w14722109y225e4682b9a838a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F53D94F4417D454E91B9BA0B62A7A851@useripvq7z5u3t>

List,

        On a previous computer of mine I could select the option from within 
Word or that matter any other program and create a *.pdf document from my 
print option.  I can not find that option on my current Windows machine.  I 
don't recall if I installed an application that allowed me to create *.pdf 
documents or if it was part of the OS on that machine.

        Anyone know of a way to setup Word & Outlook Express to create *.pdf 
documents, or of a free applet that can be installed to give me this 
ability?

Thanks,

Patrick 



From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Mar 25 20:20:35 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:20:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Vinux 1.4 Released!
Message-ID: <auto-000091026898@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Anthony Sales" <tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk>
>
>I am happy to announce the release of Vinux 1.4!
>
>Vinux a free and open source operating system which has been optimised for
>visually impaired
>users. It is based on the popular Ubuntu Linux distribution and built around
>the Orca
>screen-reader/magnifier. It is designed to boot your computer, log you in
>automatically
>and then start up the Orca screen-reader with Braille support. Full-screen
>magnification can then be activated with a simple keystroke.
>
>New Features for 1.4!
>
>Security: Unlike previous versions Vinux 1.4 has been built from scratch
>using the Ubuntu 'mini.iso' 10MB network installation which means it
>contains all of the latest packages and security patches as of the day of
>release.
>
>Audible Boot Prompt: The Live CD now sounds the system bell three times
>when the boot prompt appears on the screen, which then gives you thirty
>seconds to type in any cheatcodes or boot options you require.
>e.g. typing 'textonly' will boot into console only mode, you can then
>type 'yasr' to start a console based screen-reader.
>
>Braille Displays: The Live CD now supports a wide variety of serial Braille
>displays in edition to the automatic detection of USB Braille displays.
>In order to use a serial Braille display or a USB Braille display with a
>different language table you simply have to type in a short code at the
>boot prompt. e.g. 'alde' for an Alva Serial display using the German
>language table, or 'alude' for an Alva USB  display using the german
>language table. There are a full list of cheatcodes included in the
>'cheatcodes_braille_displays.txt' on the CD. By default Vinux supports
>USB Braille displays using the en_uk language table.
>
>Talking Login Screen: Once installed espeak will now ask you to enter
>your username and password when the login screen is loaded providing you
>do not enable autologin during the installation process. It will not
>however echo what you type, but if you enter the wrong username and/or
>password you will be asked to enter them again. It is important that you
>should not enable autologin if you are using a wifi connection as the keyring
>manager workaround detailed below depends upon a manual login to work!
>
>Keyring Manager Workaround: Vinux now includes a workaround of sorts for the
>keyring manager which is currently inaccessible with Orca. We have set up a
>pre-configured keyring password 'vinux' which is retained on both the Live CD
>and a full install. This means that when you try to connect to a wifi
>network and Orca stops speaking when the keyring manager password dialog box
>opens, you simply have to type 'vinux' into this box and as long as
>autologin is not enabled you will never have to enter the keyring password
>again.
>
>Lynx Fix: Lynx, Netrik and Firefox now use a local copy of the vinux.org.uk
>homepage as their starting URL's by default which means that you can
>open the browsers without problems whether you have an active internet
>connection or not.
>
>Menu Entries for Console Applications: I have added menu entries for some
>of the extra console based applications provided in Vinux. This is to enable
>beginners who may not know the names of these applications or their way
>around
>the console to find and experiment with them more easily.
>
>Download Vinux 1.4 - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/1.4/Vinux-1.4.iso
>Check md5sum - http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/1.4/Vinux-1.4.iso.md5sum.txt
>Vinux Homepage - http://vinux.org.uk/index.php
>
>Full lists of all of the Keybindings for Vinux, Orca, Gnome and Yasr can be
>found
>in the Vinux folder in the the home directory.
>
>Credits: I would like to thank Osvaldo La Rosa for all his hard work
>in providing the audible beeps and the Braille display cheatcodes,
>and David Knight for suggesting the workaround for the keyring
>manager bug!
>
>
>drbongo 24/03/2009

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 25 20:31:28 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 15:31:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Tuition Tales: A once in a lifetime chance to win $10K!
In-Reply-To: <13547775796.1237966608580@delivery.net>
References: <13547775796.1237966608580@delivery.net>
Message-ID: <BAY136-W532A0C342D6217A4CC7CD4DF900@phx.gbl>


I'm going to enter, and strongly encourage all of you to do the same.
 

Juan Carlos Munoz

 

 





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From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Wed Mar 25 21:31:11 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:31:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
	<20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<7949e5e20903161302w14722109y225e4682b9a838a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C21240D0011E484E9C11A4E26F46C176@useripvq7z5u3t>

List,

        Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.

 Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
  http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/


Patrick
@Virginia Tech


From troubleclark at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 22:05:24 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:05:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to ask when looking to higher a driver.
In-Reply-To: <20090325013828.0zppod540g0000cc@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <000a01c9abab$0bbc0ac0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903241515x74fba618pb586596e53dd791@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090324213759.5115fmmv5wgggkkg@webmail.utoronto.ca>
	<4383d01d0903242054r7e310589of94a04f64c42c999@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090325013828.0zppod540g0000cc@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <fc8eb2b0903251505v22c0a702n8f18eb42389a01cd@mail.gmail.com>

If you have any more questions I will be happy to answer them.

On 3/25/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi Beth,
> You can get them online? Cool! I didn't know that. When a potential
> employer, for paid work or volunteering,  has asked me for one, I've
> had to go to my local police station and get one myself. You do have
> to pay for them, unfortunately, but it's necessary to have one for
> many job/volunteer position applications.
> Have a good day,
> Sarah
>
>
> Quoting Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>:
>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> What's the best way to criminal record check smebody?  I've tried
>> looking in the white pages and such, but there are no free criminal
>> record checks websites I know of.  Most of the time you have to buy
>> them.
>> Beth
>> P.S. Am I correct about the buying thing?
>>
>> On 3/24/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>> Hi Rania,
>>> I've never had to do this either, but you might want to get a criminal
>>> records check done for them - ask them to submit one to you with their
>>> resume and cover letter. Ask for references and follow up with them.
>>> You're putting a lot of trust into this person and you don't want any
>>> doubts about them at all. Questions such as why they've applied for
>>> the position, why they think they'd be good at it, their
>>> strengths/weaknesses are a good idea. Also ask if they've had similar
>>> experiences, or have any contact with people with visual impairment.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Sarah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Dear Rani
>>>> Ask them do you know this area well enough? Are you going to be on time?
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Nathan Clark
>>>>
>>>> On 3/23/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi I am trying to find someone to higher to drive me to and from
>>>>> school.
>>>>> What questions can I ask so it is like an interview? I have never
>>>>> interviewed anyone before so I want to make sure I am asking the rite
>>>>> questions.
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>> Rania,
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>
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From minesm at me.com  Wed Mar 25 22:42:46 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
In-Reply-To: <C21240D0011E484E9C11A4E26F46C176@useripvq7z5u3t>
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
	<20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<7949e5e20903161302w14722109y225e4682b9a838a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<C21240D0011E484E9C11A4E26F46C176@useripvq7z5u3t>
Message-ID: <2C1C55A0-5DC5-497E-B709-1369BD31D3F9@me.com>

Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook about  
accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are  
listening to us?

On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:

> List,
>
>       Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.
>
> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/
>
>
> Patrick
> @Virginia Tech
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Thu Mar 26 00:01:04 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:01:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
Message-ID: <20090325230003.TTCD882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

I use facebook through my braillenote and I don't have all the 
features, but I think a lot of them.  I feel like it's pretty 
accessible.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt 
over redesign

>Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook 
about
>accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are
>listening to us?

>On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:

>> List,

>>       Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.

>> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/


>> Patrick
>> @Virginia Tech

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info
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 23:21:29 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:21:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
In-Reply-To: <C21240D0011E484E9C11A4E26F46C176@useripvq7z5u3t>
References: <49BDEBB0.6030906@aol.com>
	<20090316133521.GL82715@yumi.bluecherry.net>
	<7949e5e20903161302w14722109y225e4682b9a838a6@mail.gmail.com>
	<C21240D0011E484E9C11A4E26F46C176@useripvq7z5u3t>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0903251621v516dba67xaf1fe0458e0a0a18@mail.gmail.com>

Says nothing about the accessibility features that Facebook will have.
 Have they forgotten about us?
Beth

On 3/25/09, pajohns1 at vt.edu <pajohns1 at vt.edu> wrote:
> List,
>
>         Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.
>
>  Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>   http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/
>
>
> Patrick
> @Virginia Tech
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From minesm at me.com  Wed Mar 25 23:40:21 2009
From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:40:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
In-Reply-To: <20090325230003.TTCD882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090325230003.TTCD882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
Message-ID: <0A1225EB-CD11-4310-9DCD-3D4638B7E7DA@me.com>

Are you using the mobile version or the regular version?

On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:01 PM, hannah wrote:

> I use facebook through my braillenote and I don't have all the  
> features, but I think a lot of them.  I feel like it's pretty  
> accessible.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
> over redesign
>
>> Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook
> about
>> accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are
>> listening to us?
>
>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:
>
>>> List,
>
>>>      Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.
>
>>> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/
>
>
>>> Patrick
>>> @Virginia Tech
>
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Thu Mar 26 01:51:32 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:51:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
Message-ID: <20090326005032.PIJC25379.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Not sure what the difference.  I think I'm using the regular 
version.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:40:21 -0600
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt 
over redesign

>Are you using the mobile version or the regular version?

>On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:01 PM, hannah wrote:

>> I use facebook through my braillenote and I don't have all the
>> features, but I think a lot of them.  I feel like it's pretty
>> accessible.

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
>> over redesign

>>> Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook
>> about
>>> accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are
>>> listening to us?

>>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:

>>>> List,

>>>>      Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.

>>>> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>>> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/


>>>> Patrick
>>>> @Virginia Tech

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From minesm at me.com  Thu Mar 26 01:04:02 2009
From: minesm at me.com (minesm)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:04:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
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Would facebook like to talk to a large midwestern corperation about our interaction with their website? (hint) Perhaps a few million dollars could help them understand how our national office might feel about this.

Maurice Mines 
Master Student
Educational Technology University of Northern Colorado
School E-mail: mine at blue.unco.edu
Home Phone: (970) 352-5040

 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2009, at 05:21PM, "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>Says nothing about the accessibility features that Facebook will have.
> Have they forgotten about us?
>Beth
>
>On 3/25/09, pajohns1 at vt.edu <pajohns1 at vt.edu> wrote:
>> List,
>>
>>         Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.
>>
>>  Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>   http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/
>>
>>
>> Patrick
>> @Virginia Tech
>>
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From minesm at me.com  Thu Mar 26 01:06:22 2009
From: minesm at me.com (minesm)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:06:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
In-Reply-To: <20090326005032.PIJC25379.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
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Try  using the mobile version, I've heard its better.

Maurice Mines 
Master Student
Educational Technology University of Northern Colorado
School E-mail: mine at blue.unco.edu
Home Phone: (970) 352-5040

 
On Wednesday, March 25, 2009, at 07:51PM, "hannah" <sparklylicious at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>Not sure what the difference.  I think I'm using the regular 
>version.
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:40:21 -0600
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt 
>over redesign
>
>>Are you using the mobile version or the regular version?
>
>>On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:01 PM, hannah wrote:
>
>>> I use facebook through my braillenote and I don't have all the
>>> features, but I think a lot of them.  I feel like it's pretty
>>> accessible.
>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
>>> over redesign
>
>>>> Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook
>>> about
>>>> accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are
>>>> listening to us?
>
>>>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:
>
>>>>> List,
>
>>>>>      Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.
>
>>>>> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>>>> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/
>
>
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> @Virginia Tech
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 01:14:51 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 21:14:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
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You're suggesting a million-dollar lawsuit.  That won' help much
because FaceBook has  lot of clout and everybody sighted is on FB.  I
would hope also that FB doesn't get sold and doesn't become a pay
site.
Beth

On 3/25/09, minesm <minesm at me.com> wrote:
> Would facebook like to talk to a large midwestern corperation about our
> interaction with their website? (hint) Perhaps a few million dollars could
> help them understand how our national office might feel about this.
>
> Maurice Mines
> Master Student
> Educational Technology University of Northern Colorado
> School E-mail: mine at blue.unco.edu
> Home Phone: (970) 352-5040
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2009, at 05:21PM, "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>Says nothing about the accessibility features that Facebook will have.
>> Have they forgotten about us?
>>Beth
>>
>>On 3/25/09, pajohns1 at vt.edu <pajohns1 at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> List,
>>>
>>>         Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.
>>>
>>>  Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>>   http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> @Virginia Tech
>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Mar 26 01:27:35 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:27:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Three New Lists on NFBNet.org
Message-ID: <auto-000091064402@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I am pleased to be able to announce three new lists on 
NFBNet.org.  They concern guide dogs, students, and parents of blind 
children.  They are the Florida Association of Guide Dog Users list, 
the Georgia Association of Blind Students list, and the Maryland 
Parents of Blind Children list.  Below is information on each list 
and how to subscribe to it.

David Andrews, List Owner

FLAGDU:
  The purpose of the Florida Association of Guide Dog Users-FLAGDU 
list, is to provide a forum for discussion and information to guide 
dog users and other interested persons.  This list will feature 
announcements and activities of the Florida Association of Guide Dog 
Users.  Topics related specifically to this division will include 
business, fundraising projects, advocacy issues, and planning for our 
annual meeting which takes place during the Florida affiliate&#8217;s 
State convention. General topics will include information for those 
interested in learning about obtaining and working with a guide dog, 
guide dog schools, training, care  and retirement of a dog, and 
access and legislative issues pertaining to guide dog use.

To join the list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/flagdu_nfbnet.org
or send e-mail to flagdu-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line.

GABS:
The purpose of the Georgia Association of Blind Students, GABS-list, 
is to provide an opportunity for
students, in the state of Georgia, to share questions, offer advice,
and discuss current issues that involve the blind community.  This list
is also a means of communication between division meetings and
events.  For example, members are able to discuss thoughts and ideas
on fundraising and student seminar themes.
In addition to presenting local division news, the list brings forth
the current events going on in the NFB, both at the state and national
levels.  Students will also be given information regularly regarding
programs and news in the student division, both at the state and 
national level.

To subscribe to the GABS list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gabs_nfbnet.org
or send e-mail to gabs-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe 
in the subject line.

MDPOBC:
The purpose of the MDPOBc list is to serve as a resource group for 
sharing of ideas, programs, information and
strategies to assist our >children in developing the confidence and
independence needed to be successful adults.  The group is based in Maryland.

To subscribe to the list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/mdpobc_nfbnet.org
or send e-mail to mdpobc-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line.




From corbbo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 05:25:05 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:25:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
In-Reply-To: <20090326005032.PIJC25379.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
References: <20090326005032.PIJC25379.omta02.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>
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Visit http://m.facebook.com for the mobile version.


On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:51 PM, hannah wrote:

Not sure what the difference.  I think I'm using the regular version.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:40:21 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
over redesign

> Are you using the mobile version or the regular version?

> On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:01 PM, hannah wrote:

>> I use facebook through my braillenote and I don't have all the
>> features, but I think a lot of them.  I feel like it's pretty
>> accessible.

>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
>> over redesign

>>> Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook
>> about
>>> accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are
>>> listening to us?

>>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:

>>>> List,

>>>>     Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.

>>>> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>>> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/


>>>> Patrick
>>>> @Virginia Tech

>>>> _______________________________________________
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From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net  Thu Mar 26 06:59:04 2009
From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:59:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
Message-ID: <20090326055907.XQIY882.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote>

Oh ok thanks

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:25:05 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt 
over redesign

>Visit http://m.facebook.com for the mobile version.


>On Mar 25, 2009, at 9:51 PM, hannah wrote:

>Not sure what the difference.  I think I'm using the regular 
version.

>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:40:21 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
>over redesign

>> Are you using the mobile version or the regular version?

>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 6:01 PM, hannah wrote:

>>> I use facebook through my braillenote and I don't have all the
>>> features, but I think a lot of them.  I feel like it's pretty
>>> accessible.

>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 16:42:46 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Facebook caves in to users after revolt
>>> over redesign

>>>> Has anyone other than the national office talked to facebook
>>> about
>>>> accessibility issues? And if so can anyone tell us if they are
>>>> listening to us?

>>>> On Mar 25, 2009, at 3:31 PM, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote:

>>>>> List,

>>>>>     Possibly of interest to all the FaceBook users.

>>>>> Facebook caves in to users after revolt over redesign
>>>>> http://cwflyris.computerworld.com/t/4644861/427500/178275/0/


>>>>> Patrick
>>>>> @Virginia Tech

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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Mar 26 13:45:25 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:45:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Celebrates Release of the
 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar
Message-ID: <auto-000091122462@mailfront1.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, ext. 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
cdanielsen at nfb.org

National Federation of the Blind Celebrates
Release of the 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar
NFB Jernigan Institute Releases
Report to the Nation on Braille Literacy Crisis

Baltimore, Maryland (March 26, 2009): The 
National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the 
nation’s oldest and largest organization of blind people and the leading
advocate for Braille literacy, today celebrates 
the release of the 2009 Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar.  This historic commemorative coin, the
first-ever U.S. coin to contain tactile, readable 
Braille, will be launched at a special ceremony 
at the headquarters of the National Federation of the
Blind in Baltimore beginning at 10:00 a.m. on March 26, 2009.

The NFB Jernigan Institute, the research and 
training arm of the National Federation of the 
Blind, will also release a report to the nation on the literacy
crisis facing the blind in America.  “The Braille 
Literacy Crisis in America: Facing the Truth, 
Reversing the Trend, Empowering the Blind” describes the
factors that have contributed to the shocking 
illiteracy rate of 90 percent among blind 
children and outlines steps to reverse this trend.

A portion of the money from sales of the 2009 
Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar, which 
was authorized by a law signed by President George W. Bush
in 2006, will be used to support the NFB’s 
“Braille Readers are Leaders” campaign.  The 
campaign is a national initiative created to double the number
of blind children learning Braille by 2015.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “If the blind can 
read, the blind can achieve.  The Louis Braille Bicentennial
Silver Dollar celebrates the man who gave 
literacy to the blind and is a unique and 
beautiful keepsake, but it is also a coin with a mission: to make sure
that every blind child and every adult losing 
vision in our nation has the opportunity to learn Braille.”

Dr. Fredric K. Schroeder, first vice president of 
the National Federation of the Blind and 
coordinator of the NFB’s national Braille Readers are Leaders
campaign, said:  “Braille is not being taught to 
many blind children and adults because there are 
myths and misconceptions surrounding the code.  Braille
is said to be slow and inefficient, difficult to 
learn, unnecessary in light of new technology, 
and something that isolates blind students from their sighted
peers.  But the blind know these myths to be 
false, and studies have shown that Braille leads 
to employment opportunities, independence, and self-confidence
for blind people.”

The program celebrating the launch of the Louis 
Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar will feature:

·        The presentation of the report

·        Remarks by Dr. Marc Maurer, President of 
the National Federation of the Blind

·        Remarks by Dr. Abraham Nemeth, who 
invented the Braille code used for mathematics 
and scientific notation in the United States

·        Demonstrations by proficient Braille readers, including blind children

·        A message from United States Senator 
Christopher J. Dodd, chairman of the Committee on 
Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs and the sponsor of the
legislation authorizing the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar

·        Ed Moy, director of the United States 
Mint, who will give remarks and sign certificates of authenticity

·        A “Braille Fair” featuring fun 
activities for children and adults who want to learn about Braille

The National Federation of the Blind is asking 
the American public, through purchasing this 
stunning silver dollar, to join its campaign to bring literacy,
education, opportunity, and success to the blind 
of America.  The Louis Braille Bicentennial 
Silver Dollar goes on sale to the general public at noon today.
  Those interested in ordering a coin should visit
www.usmint.gov
  or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468).  For more 
information about the National Federation of the 
Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit

www.braille.org.

###

David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Mar 26 17:48:30 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:48:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Louis Braille Coin Will be Launched into Space
Message-ID: <auto-000091175544@mailfront1.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, ext. 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



Louis Braille Coin Will be Launched into Space





National Federation of the Blind and NASA Confirm Historic Flight



Baltimore, Maryland (March 26, 2009): In a surprise announcement at 
the launch ceremony for the new Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver 
Dollar, NASA announced that the new commemorative coin celebrating 
the life and work of the inventor of the reading code for the blind 
will fly on a future space shuttle mission.  The announcement, by 
NASA Deputy Administrator for Educational Programs Dr. Joyce 
Winterton, came at the end of the official event announcing the 
availability of this beautiful new coin, which will help the National 
Federation of the Blind to increase Braille literacy in the United States.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar symbolizes the 
power of knowledge and future opportunities for blind children across 
America.  It is therefore fitting that this historic coin will be 
part of a mission to uncover the secrets of the universe.  Perhaps 
someday a Braille reader will also be part of such a mission."



Dr. Joyce Winterton said: "NASA believes strongly in the importance 
of educational opportunities for everyone, and that is why we have 
partnered with the National Federation of the Blind to help create 
programs that enhance scientific study for blind youth.  Launching 
the first coin ever to contain tactile, readable Braille into space 
symbolizes NASA's commitment to the spread of knowledge by every 
means and to every individual."



The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar goes on sale to the 
general public at noon today.  Those interested in ordering a coin 
should visit <http://www.usmint.gov/>www.usmint.gov or call 
1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468).  For more information about the National 
Federation of the Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, 
visit <http://www.braille.org/>www.braille.org.





From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 26 19:40:06 2009
From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:40:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Follow TABS this weekend on Twitter
Message-ID: <BAY136-W514AA182F365765B1D124CDF910@phx.gbl>


Hi all,

 

The Texas Association of Blind Students will be holding its annual spring conference this weekend (Friday night through Sunday morning) in Austin, TX. If your interested, TABS will be providing updates via our brand new Twitter account. To follow TABS, simply go here.

 

http://www.twitter.com/TXTABSTERS

 

Whether you live in Texas and can't attend, or just want to know what is going on with another student division, you're more than welcome to follow us at any time. To read the agenda so you can choose what you want to be updated on, visit

http://www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html

and download it. We will be recording most of the conference so that we can podcast the highlights for your listening pleasure after the weekend is done. We have several newbies coming in, so we'll do our best to get them in the organization. Wish us luck, and have a great weekend.

 

Juan Carlos Munoz

1st Board Member

Texas Association of Blind Students

www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html

_________________________________________________________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 22:03:21 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:03:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare
Message-ID: <000601c9ae5e$afa736e0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi I just downloaded a book from bookshare. I am trying to open it with kerswale. I am puting my password in like it wants. Then I get a message saying the system can not open the file. Can someone help me?
Thank you.
Rania,

From cowboy0210 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 02:32:28 2009
From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (Kevin Ledford)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:32:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] AP article: Fewer Than 10 Pct. of Blind Americans Read
	Braille
In-Reply-To: <001e01c9ae83$f844ff70$e8cefe50$@net>
References: <001e01c9ae83$f844ff70$e8cefe50$@net>
Message-ID: <5487baf30903261932k1f480cc7hec8297cd821307e0@mail.gmail.com>

Fewer Than 10 Pct. Of Blind Americans Read Braille

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: March 26, 2009

*Filed at 5:56 a.m. ET
*
BALTIMORE (AP) -- Jordan Gilmer has a degenerative condition that eventually
will leave him completely blind. But as a child, his teachers did not
emphasize Braille, the system of reading in which a series of raised dots
signify letters of the alphabet.

Instead, they insisted he use what little vision he had to read print. By
the third grade, he was falling behind in his schoolwork.

''They gave him Braille instruction, but they didn't tell us how to get
Braille books, and they didn't want him using it during the day,'' said
Jordan's mother, Carrie Gilmer of Minneapolis. Teachers said Braille would
be ''a thing he uses way off in the far distant future, and don't worry
about it.''

That experience is common: Fewer than 10 percent of the 1.3 million legally
blind people in the United States read Braille, and just 10 percent of blind
children are learning it, according to a report to be released Thursday by
the National Federation of the Blind.

By comparison, at the height of its use in the 1950s, more than half the
nation's blind children were learning Braille. Today Braille is considered
by many to be too difficult, too outdated, a last resort.

Instead, teachers ask students to rely on audio texts, voice-recognition
software or other technology. And teachers who know Braille often must
shuttle between schools, resulting in haphazard instruction, the report
says.

''You can find good teachers of the blind in America, but you can't find
good programs,'' said Marc Maurer, the group's president. ''There is not a
commitment to this population that is at all significant almost anywhere.''

Using technology as a substitute for Braille leaves blind people illiterate,
the federation said, citing studies that show blind people who know Braille
are more likely to earn advanced degrees, find good jobs and live
independently.

''It's really sad that so many kids are being shortchanged,'' said Debby
Brackett of Stuart, Fla., who pressured schools to provide capable Braille
teachers for her 12-year-old daughter, Winona.

One study found that 44 percent of participants who grew up reading Braille
were unemployed, compared with 77 percent for those who relied on print.
Overall, blind adults face 70 percent unemployment.

The federation's report pulled together existing research on Braille
literacy, and its authors acknowledge that not enough research has been
done. The 10 percent figure comes from federal statistics gathered by the
American Printing House for the Blind, a company that develops products for
the visually impaired.

The federation also did some original research, including a survey of 500
people that found the ability to read Braille correlated with higher levels
of education, a higher likelihood of employment and higher income.

The report coincides with the 200th birthday of Louis Braille, the Frenchman
who invented the Braille code as a teenager. Resistance to his system was
immediate; at one point, the director of Braille's school burned the books
he and his classmates had transcribed. The school did not want its blind
students becoming too independent; it made money by selling crafts they
produced.

The system caught on, but began declining in the 1960s along with the
widespread integration of blind children into public schools. It has
continued with the advent of technology that some believe makes Braille
obsolete.

''Back in about 1970 or so, I was heading to college, and somebody said to
me, 'Now that you've got the tape recorder, everything will be all right. In
the early 1980s, somebody else said, 'Now that you've got a talking
computer, everything will be all right,''' said Marc Maurer, president of
the federation.

''They were both wrong. And the current technology isn't going to make
everything all right unless I know how to put my hands on a page that has
words on it and read them.''

Audio books are no substitute, said Carlton Walker, an attorney and the
mother of a legally blind girl from McConnellsburg, Pa. Walker once met a
blind teenager who had only listened to audio books; the teen was shocked to
discover that ''Once upon a time'' was four separate words.

Walker also had to lobby teachers to provide Braille for her 8-year-old
daughter, Anna, instead of just large-print books.

''At 3 years old, Anna could compete with very large letters. When you get
older, you can't compete,'' Walker said. She once asked a teacher, '''What
are you going to do when she's reading Dickens?' She said, 'Well, we'll just
go to audio then.'

''If that were good enough for everybody, why do we spend millions of
dollars teaching people to read?''

Gilmer, now an 18-year-old aspiring lawyer, worked on his Braille in a
summer program when he was in middle school and can now read 125 words a
minute, up from his previously rate, an excruciatingly slow 20 words a
minute.

''Just try it,'' Carrie Gilmer said. ''Go get a paragraph, get a stopwatch
and try to read 20 words a minute. Try and read that slow and see how
frustrating it is.''

Fluent Braille readers can read 200 words a minute or more, the federation
says.

Carrie Gilmer is president of a parents' group within the federation for the
blind. She believes poor or haphazard instruction is largely responsible for
the decline in Braille literacy, but she says sometimes teachers push
Braille only to meet resistance from parents.

''They're afraid of their child looking blind, not fitting in,'' Gilmer
said.

The report outlines ambitious goals for reversing the trend, including
lobbying all 50 states to require teachers of blind children to be certified
in Braille instruction by 2015. But its immediate goal is to simply make
people aware that there's no substitute for Braille. It's not just a tool to
help people function -- it can bring joy, Maurer said.

''The concept of reading Braille for fun is a thing that lots of people
don't know,'' Maurer said. ''And yet I do this every day. I love the
beautiful, orderly lines of words that convey a different idea that can
stimulate me or make me excited or sad. ... This is what we're trying to
convey.''

------

On the Net:

National Federation of the Blind: http://www.nfb.org




-- 
GIT-R-DONE !!!

From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar 27 20:28:52 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:28:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] North Dakota State Convention Postponed Due To Flooding
Message-ID: <auto-000094900842@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The following message comes from Jennelle 
Bichler, President of the NFB of North Dakota.

David Andrews



Hello all




I regret to inform you all that our State 
convention must be rescheduled due to the 
flooding we are having here in North Dakota.  Our 
State convention was scheduled for April 4th at 
the Prairie Rose Inn in Fargo from 9 am to 
5pm.  It has been rescheduled for May 16th at the 
Prairie Rose Inn in Fargo from 9am to 5pm.



  We are truly sorry about the inconvenience that 
this may cause everyone however, for the safety 
and the flooding concern we must rescheduled.



  We are looking forward to having a great 
convention and the biggest convention that the 
NFB of North Dakota has seen.  So please do not 
let this delay discourage you.  Thank you so much 
for your patience and understanding and we look 
forward to seeing you all in May for our state 
Convention.  If you have any questions please 
feel free to contact me at the contact 
information below.  Thank you and God Bless.



Sincerely,



Jennelle Bichler

Affiliate President

National Federation of the blind of North Dakota

2581 Villa Dr. Apt 214

Fargo ND 58103

701-200-4486

president at nfbnd.org

Web: www.nfbnd.org




David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar 27 20:40:37 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 15:40:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Informational Picketing Against Authors Guild in New York
	City
Message-ID: <auto-000094902467@mailfront2.g2host.com>


 >From Chris Danielson:

Dear Fellow Federationists:

As you may already know, Amazon, Inc. released the newest version of its

e-book reader, the Kindle, on February 9 of this year.  The Kindle 2

includes a feature that allows e-books downloaded to it to be read aloud.

The Authors Guild has objected to this feature because it believes these

e-books are licensed only for visual display, and under pressure from the

Guild, Amazon has decided to allow authors and publishers to decide which

books can be read aloud by this device.  Naturally, this is a blow to blind

people and others with print disabilities who can benefit from the

text-to-speech feature and who would love to be able to purchase books and

start reading them immediately for the first time in history.  For this

reason the National Federation of the Blind has joined with other

organizations representing people who cannot use print effectively to fight

the Authors Guild.

We plan to kick off our public education campaign to increase public

pressure on the Authors Guild to reverse its stance with an informational

protest in front of the Guild’s headquarters in New York City.  This picket

will take place on Tuesday, April 7, from noon until 2:00 p.m.  I am writing

to you in hopes that you can organize members to come to this protest.  A

number of Federationists from Maryland are coming and we expect

participation from other organizations in the coalition, but it would be

very helpful if those of you with easy access to New York City would help us

by providing more picketers.  It is extremely important that we make a

strong impression on the Authors Guild and the media so that our message

will be heard.

In the next few days you will receive more communications with additional

logistical details, as well as more information about our position and

suggestions on how to respond to questions from the media.  In the meantime,

if you have additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.  As

soon as you have an idea of how many people may be able to come to this

event, please provide that information to John Paré by calling 410-659-9314,

ext. 2227, or by e-mailing jpare at nfb.org.  Thank you for your assistance in

this important matter.

Sincerely:

Chris Danielsen

Christopher S. Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND


David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Mar 27 21:16:13 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:16:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] North Dakota Flood Alert Information
Message-ID: <auto-000094909098@mailfront2.g2host.com>



Flood Alert

As a service to our members and to the blind of North Dakota we have 
posted this flood bulletin to assist those in need of help with 
locating emergency services, evacuation and other assistance. Below 
are a number of resources you can use for emergency assistance and to 
obtain additional information.


Flood News

Listen to 24-hour flood coverage from <http://www.wday.com>WDAY - 
News Weather Sports for North Dakota and Minnesota Once you reach the 
home page select the " gfx/thomasfilelistennow" link at the very top 
of the page to hear 24-hour flood news and information.


Fargo Emergency Contacts

The following list of phone numbers and Web sites will help you 
locate the appropriate help for flood-related concerns:
    * Flood Central (First Link)
    * 476-4000
    * Use this number if you are not sure who to call or if you need 
information. They will be able too direct you.
    * Red cross 701-364-1800
    * Fargo cass public health 701-241-1360
    * City of Fargo 701-241-1310
    * Fire department 701-241-1540
    * Fargo Police
    * 701-241-1437
    * Cass emergency Management
    * 701-476-4068
    * <http://www.cassfargoemergency.com>www.cassfargoemergency.com
    * City of Fargo Web Site
    * <http://www.cityoffargo.com/emergencies>www.cityoffargo.com/emergencies

This flood alert will be updated as additional information becomes 
available. If you need further assistance contact Jenelle Bichlor 
President, National Federation of the Blind of North Dakota:

Jennelle Bichler, President

2581 Villa Drive S, Unit 214

Fargo, North Dakota 58103

Home: (701) 298-2963

Cell: (701) 200-4486

Email: <mailto:president at nfbnd.org>President at nfbnd.org



This information is also available on the NFB of North Dakota's website:
http://www.nfbnd.org



David Andrews and white cane Harry.




From troubleclark at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 21:16:39 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:16:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare
In-Reply-To: <000601c9ae5e$afa736e0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
References: <000601c9ae5e$afa736e0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <fc8eb2b0903271416r5092f474q9004351404b4ba89@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Rani
Is your password right?

Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 3/26/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi I just downloaded a book from bookshare. I am trying to open it with
> kerswale. I am puting my password in like it wants. Then I get a message
> saying the system can not open the file. Can someone help me?
> Thank you.
> Rania,
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From empower at smart.net  Fri Mar 27 21:18:26 2009
From: empower at smart.net (Jamal Mazrui)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:18:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Publication for developers using Microsoft accessibility
 technologies
Message-ID: <auto-000091383795@mailfront1.g2host.com>


-----Forwarded Message-----
From: Michelle Maislen [mailto:Michelle.Maislen at microsoft.com]
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:29 PM
Subject: CoDe Focus Magazine - What's new in Windows 7 Automation API

Hello everyone,


Thanks again for taking the time to attend the Microsoft session(s) at
CSUN. We hope you learned something new!



Here is a link to the electronic copy of the CoDe Focus magazine titled
Whats new in Windows 7 Automation API:



http://www.code-magazine.com/DisplayIssue.aspx?id=01b61ca4-e574-468f-85dc-982e453d4984



We look forward to seeing you again next year!



Warmest Regards,

Michelle Maislen

Windows Accessibility Program Manager




From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 21:44:23 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:44:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare
References: <000601c9ae5e$afa736e0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903271416r5092f474q9004351404b4ba89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c9af25$3235d7d0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

yes it is because the password goes threw.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare


> Dear Rani
> Is your password right?
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/26/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi I just downloaded a book from bookshare. I am trying to open it with
>> kerswale. I am puting my password in like it wants. Then I get a message
>> saying the system can not open the file. Can someone help me?
>> Thank you.
>> Rania,
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
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From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 21:55:20 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 17:55:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare
In-Reply-To: <fc8eb2b0903271416r5092f474q9004351404b4ba89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601c9ae5e$afa736e0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<fc8eb2b0903271416r5092f474q9004351404b4ba89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0903271455l40b78fcdy57ce3c464022d356@mail.gmail.com>

Hi rania! Did you unzip your file that you downloaded from bookshare.
You need to do that, if you want to read them. When you download the
file to your computer, open your file, go to file menue, and select
extract all. Extract all, will unzip your book.
Hth!
Merisa
On 3/27/09, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Rani
> Is your password right?
>
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 3/26/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi I just downloaded a book from bookshare. I am trying to open it with
>> kerswale. I am puting my password in like it wants. Then I get a message
>> saying the system can not open the file. Can someone help me?
>> Thank you.
>> Rania,
>> _______________________________________________
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From kea_anderson at cox.net  Fri Mar 27 23:47:14 2009
From: kea_anderson at cox.net (Karen Anderson)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:47:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nebraska NABS Fundraiser
Message-ID: <004b01c9af36$5d9fd360$b4ce5d81@D9X704B1>

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 00:32:29 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:32:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Informational Picketing Against Authors Guild in New
	York City
In-Reply-To: <auto-000094902467@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000094902467@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0903271732v68d0119en2a2b69b247eaefca@mail.gmail.com>

I'm all about it.  Why not picket all over the U.S.A. and tell those
stupid people from the authors' guild that books that read aloud are
very important to the blind.  It's bad enough that other companies and
publishers such as MySpace dot com and some stupid and silly book
publishers have no flipping idea what life is like being blind.  The
last thing we need is to have one of the features of our prized
possessions such as that e-book reader to be taken off of the board.
Beth

On 3/27/09, David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com> wrote:
>
>  >From Chris Danielson:
>
> Dear Fellow Federationists:
>
> As you may already know, Amazon, Inc. released the newest version of its
>
> e-book reader, the Kindle, on February 9 of this year.  The Kindle 2
>
> includes a feature that allows e-books downloaded to it to be read aloud.
>
> The Authors Guild has objected to this feature because it believes these
>
> e-books are licensed only for visual display, and under pressure from the
>
> Guild, Amazon has decided to allow authors and publishers to decide which
>
> books can be read aloud by this device.  Naturally, this is a blow to blind
>
> people and others with print disabilities who can benefit from the
>
> text-to-speech feature and who would love to be able to purchase books and
>
> start reading them immediately for the first time in history.  For this
>
> reason the National Federation of the Blind has joined with other
>
> organizations representing people who cannot use print effectively to fight
>
> the Authors Guild.
>
> We plan to kick off our public education campaign to increase public
>
> pressure on the Authors Guild to reverse its stance with an informational
>
> protest in front of the Guild’s headquarters in New York City.  This picket
>
> will take place on Tuesday, April 7, from noon until 2:00 p.m.  I am writing
>
> to you in hopes that you can organize members to come to this protest.  A
>
> number of Federationists from Maryland are coming and we expect
>
> participation from other organizations in the coalition, but it would be
>
> very helpful if those of you with easy access to New York City would help us
>
> by providing more picketers.  It is extremely important that we make a
>
> strong impression on the Authors Guild and the media so that our message
>
> will be heard.
>
> In the next few days you will receive more communications with additional
>
> logistical details, as well as more information about our position and
>
> suggestions on how to respond to questions from the media.  In the meantime,
>
> if you have additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.  As
>
> soon as you have an idea of how many people may be able to come to this
>
> event, please provide that information to John Paré by calling 410-659-9314,
>
> ext. 2227, or by e-mailing jpare at nfb.org.  Thank you for your assistance in
>
> this important matter.
>
> Sincerely:
>
> Chris Danielsen
>
> Christopher S. Danielsen
>
> Director of Public Relations
>
> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>
>
> David Andrews and white cane Harry.
>
>
>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 01:27:45 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 21:27:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare
References: <000601c9ae5e$afa736e0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><fc8eb2b0903271416r5092f474q9004351404b4ba89@mail.gmail.com>
	<df5bac6d0903271455l40b78fcdy57ce3c464022d356@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c9af44$667fd3a0$2d01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

ok I am going to try that.
Thank you.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] opening books from bookshare


> Hi rania! Did you unzip your file that you downloaded from bookshare.
> You need to do that, if you want to read them. When you download the
> file to your computer, open your file, go to file menue, and select
> extract all. Extract all, will unzip your book.
> Hth!
> Merisa
> On 3/27/09, Nathan Clark <troubleclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Rani
>> Is your password right?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan Clark
>>
>> On 3/26/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi I just downloaded a book from bookshare. I am trying to open it with
>>> kerswale. I am puting my password in like it wants. Then I get a message
>>> saying the system can not open the file. Can someone help me?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Rania,
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>>
>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 02:24:45 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 22:24:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] High School Essay Contest
Message-ID: <3BFCD0B3B30F4B8780F1517470043B27@Rufus>



World Future Society High School Essay Contest

http://www.wfs.org/Sept-Oct08/FUTUP-SEP/Essaycontest.htm   

As you look ahead to the years after high school, one of the biggest
challenges is what kind of world will be waiting for you, especially as you
enter the workplace or decide what sort of career to pursue.  What skills
and knowledge are going to be most the valuable to you in a job or career?
What areas should you concentrate on in college?  What job areas will have
the most opportunities in five years? In ten years?  

The world around us is becoming an increasingly complex place, with changes
occurring at an accelerating pace, but it is also an exciting one,
especially when you begin to understand what is happening and why.  One way
to make some sense of the dizzying environment we live in is to identify
what have been called 'Trends' in the world around us. Another way to say
this is to describe how a specific change or set of change s is occurring -
how fast, in what direction, and with what consequences.   When we talk
about consequences, we really mean:  What might the world look like as a
result of this change? 

Of course, no one can really predict the future, but we can think about more
and less likely possibilities (such as, it is very likely the sun will come
up tomorrow) and prepare for the most likely.  Also, it is also likely that
some changes might influence others (such as, the 
Internet might make it easier to do homework).  And what is most interesting
about the future is how it might change your own life and the lives of
others in your school, family, community or even country.  

Describe the trends you want to talk about in your essay in your own words,
including what changes you expect to occur, and include your understanding
of the consequences that might result in the lives of people affected by the
trends you describe. Use as much detail as you feel is necessary to make the
description easy to understan d and meaningful to its readers. Remember that
you are describing change in the real world and not a world of fiction, so
do some research in the area or areas you have chosen about how change
actually occurs and include your citations with the paper. 

For the purposes of this Essay Contest, an essay is a three-part paper that
lays out and develops a position in response to the essay contest question.
Although researching the topic to find examples that support your points is
crucial to writing your essay, it should be more than a research paper, a
narrative description of an event, or a statement of opinion.

Your essay should contain the following:

An introduction, which introduces the subject and contains an explanation of
your position. The objective is to demonstrate that you understand the essay
contest question and have formed a response to it.

A body, which develops your argument using research and analysis. T
he process of analysis may include comparing and contrasting,
differentiating among several ideas or events, critiquing a variety of
perspectives, interpreting results, or drawing inferences. In this section,
you should analyze two case studies. Be sure to identify the sources of your
information or ideas.

A conclusion, which summarizes the research and analysis presented in the
essay and sets forth your conclusions. Drawing on ideas already presented,
you should demonstrate that your conclusions support the position you put
forward in the opening paragraphs. Your aim is to convince the reader that
your position is reasonable and valid.

Your essay should also include notes and a bibliography except when using
APA style:

Reference notes (footnotes or endnotes) give the sources of your information
or ideas. Footnotes are placed at the bottom of the page where the
information appears. Alternatively, you may gather all the notes at the end
of the text as endnotes.

A bibliography is a list of the works that you have referred to in your
essay or have consulted in order to write it.

Essays that use a variety of sources-academic journals, news magazines,
newspapers, books, government documents, publications from research
organizations-fare better in the contest.

Citations in the reference notes or bibliography should follow rules given
in a handbook such as the MLA Handbook for Writers of Research Papers or the
Manual for Writers of Term Papers, Theses, and Dissertations. Typically a
n entry will have at least the name of the author or editor, title of the
work, and date and place of publication. The bibliography should be arranged
alphabetically by the last names of the authors.

The Internet or World Wide Web should not be the only source for your essay.
Be aware that you may encounter "republished" or "third generation"
information on the Internet that is inaccurate or improperly attributed.
When citing Internet sources, you must include the following information:
author(s), title of work, Internet address, and date information was
accessed. Detailed instructions can be obtained from the manuals listed
above. For the purposes of this essay, Internet sources should be listed
separately from non-electronic sources, such as books, magazines, and
newspapers.

 

Again, send all submission (double spaced and no smaller than 12 font) to
Tim Mack, <tmack(at)wfs.org> (replace (at) with @)

 by March 31st2009. 

First prize - $300 - 3 year student membership in WFS -- Free admission to
Chicago conference in July 2009
Second prize $200 2 year student membership in WFS -- Free admission to
Chicago conference in July 2009
Third prize $100 - 1 year student membership in WFS -- Free admission to
Chicago conference in July 2009

  

Complete guidelines available at:

http://www.wfs.org/Sept-Oct08/FUTUP-SEP/Essaycontest.htm   
 

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From jim275_2 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 28 09:12:26 2009
From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:12:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the Montana Association for the Blind Student
	Division
Message-ID: <403865.83587.qm@web65704.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hello,
My name is Jim Reed. As the first elected president of the Montana Association for the Blind Student Division, I am pleased to announce our formation.. Last Monday was our first meeting; we voted to approve our Constitution, and I was elected president, now we are waiting for the MAB Board of Directors to ratify our Constitution and officially recognize us. Anyhow, I won't take up more of your time,  I just wanted to introduce the division and say "hi".

Thanks, 
Jim Reed
President, MABS

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."-- Ronald Reagan


      

From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Mar 28 16:00:12 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 11:00:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Alert-Immediate Action Needed to Support The
 Higher education Textbook Commission
Message-ID: <auto-000094967147@mailfront2.g2host.com>


----- Original Message -----

From: "Hartle, Jesse" <JHartle at nfb.org>


Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 1:27 PM

Subject: Legislative Alert-Immediate Action Needed to Support The Higher

education Textbook Commission

Fellow Federationists:

It has come to my attention that Congressman Yarmuth of Kentucky has

circulated a Dear Colleague letter in support of funding the Commission

that will study ways to provide accessible textbooks to Blind students

in higher education.  This Commission was created in the Reauthorization

of the Higher Education Act and passed by Congress last year.

It is urgent that we contact members of the House of Representatives and

ask them to sign on to Congressman Yarmuth's Dear Colleague letter.  If

funding is not provided in the Appropriations process, no work will be

done to correct the problems that Blind students face in obtaining

accessible textbooks.

We worked very hard to get the language in the Higher Education

legislation to solve this problem, and now we need to do our best to

ensure funding is provided.

Congressman Yarmuth is holding the letter open for cosigners through

Wednesday, April 1.  Currently, only 6 members of the House have signed

on to the letter and I have listed them below.

If your Representative wants to be added to this letter he or she should

contact Lillian Pace in Congressman Yarmuth's office.  You can be

connected to your Representatives office by calling the Capitol

Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.

Please contact me with any questions.  I thank all of you for your hard

work on this important issue.

Sincerely,

Jesse M. Hartle

Government Programs Specialist

NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND

(410) 659-9314, extension 2233

E-mail:  jhartle at nfb.org <
mailto:jhartle at nfb.org>

Cosigners of Dear Colleague Letter

Congressman Yarmuth

Congressman McDermott

Congressman Conyers

Congressman Hinojosa

Congressman Bobby Scott

Congressman Petri



From wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 29 01:26:31 2009
From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 20:26:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the Montana Association for the Blind
 Student	Division
In-Reply-To: <403865.83587.qm@web65704.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <403865.83587.qm@web65704.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY118-W2719DE9CF847A056CFDA53B28C0@phx.gbl>


Jim,
Congrats.  I hope your division grows strong and a lot of students lives can benefit  from your division.
Sarah Baebler
WABS VP
WAGDU VP

> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:12:26 -0700
> From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing the Montana Association for the Blind Student	Division
> 
> Hello,
> My name is Jim Reed. As the first elected president of the Montana Association for the Blind Student Division, I am pleased to announce our formation.. Last Monday was our first meeting; we voted to approve our Constitution, and I was elected president, now we are waiting for the MAB Board of Directors to ratify our Constitution and officially recognize us. Anyhow, I won't take up more of your time,  I just wanted to introduce the division and say "hi".
> 
> Thanks, 
> Jim Reed
> President, MABS
> 
> "Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."-- Ronald Reagan
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Mar 29 03:21:39 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:21:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Missouri Streaming Problems
Message-ID: <auto-000091475128@mailfront1.g2host.com>

2009 NFB ofMissouri Stream Alternative

             Hello fellow Federationists,

             We are experiencing technical issues with the 2009 
broadcast of the National Federation of the Blind of Missouri State 
Convention Stream. Since it is highly unlikely that the issues can be 
resolved for the remainder of the convention we are offering you the 
chance to hear the recordings of the2008 NFBMO State Convention. To 
listen visit:
<http://www.nfbmo.org/>http://www.nfbmo.org

             On the home page activate the "Listen" link. Recordings 
of the 2009 NFB of Missouri Convention will be posted in the next few 
weeks. Enjoy.

Peter Donahue
Web Consultant, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri


Peter Donahue




From zeronecc at charter.net  Sun Mar 29 03:47:31 2009
From: zeronecc at charter.net (Chun Chao)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:47:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] STEM Image Description for Digital TalkingBooks (fwd)
Message-ID: <auto-000091476042@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Bryan Gould <bryan_gould at wgbh.org>
>
>The WGBH National Center for Accessible Media announces 
>research-based Guidelines for Describing STEM Images for use within 
>Digital Talking Books.
>
>http://ncam.wgbh.org/publications/stemdx/index.html
>
>These guidelines are the result of a seminal effort, funded by the 
>National Science Foundation, to develop recommended practices for 
>descriptions of science, technology, engineering and math images 
>within digital talking books (DTBs). The work was jointly undertaken 
>by leading organizations that pioneered description for visually 
>impaired users and are currently shaping national policy and 
>practices for the provision of accessible materials in electronic formats.
>
>NCAM staff will be providing training for implementing these STEM 
>Description Guidelines at conferences and through webinars. If you 
>or your organization would like to participate in a webinar, please 
>contact Bryan Gould, bryan_gould at wgbh.org
>
>Thank you to the many, many of you who participated in this project 
>during the research phase and to those of you who have expressed 
>interest in the outcome. Implementing the recommendations provided 
>in these Guidelines will be a significant step in providing 
>independent access to STEM material for students and professionals.
>
>Thank you,
>bg
>--
>Bryan Gould
>
>Media Access Group
>Descriptive Video Service
>Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family National Center for Accessible Media
>
>WGBH Educational Foundation
>One Guest Street
>Boston, MA 02135
>bryan_gould at wgbh.org
>617 300-3472
>http://ncam.wgbh.org/dtb/
>
>
>**This is not SPAM. If you received this email in error, I 
>apologize. This will be the only "mass email" that will be sent 
>regarding the STEM Description Guidelines.**
>_______________________________________________
>doitvi mailing list
>doitvi at u.washington.edu
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From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 14:26:28 2009
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 10:26:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Invite Your Facebook Friends To Authors Guild NYC
	Protest Tue Apr 7
Message-ID: <695ace540903290726y1da7047as1b05c5eef2488b8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Please go on to the Facebook site, and invite your friends to join us
for the Authors Guild protest on Tuesday April 7.

The basic steps to do this are as follows:

1.  First be sure you are signed in to the Facebook site;
2.  Click the link below which will take you to the NFB Authors Guild
Protest event Facebook page;
http://is.gd/p05d

3.  Enter your RSVP if you have not done so already.  I hope it will be
Attending
If for some reason you cannot access the event you can email me and I
will invite you....I have not tested this in the case of soemone
accessing the event for the first time;

4.  Press enter on or Click the link that says
Invite People to Come

5.  You are now presented with a page or pages that list all your
Facebook friends.  You click or press enter on each name to add them
to the list of invited guests.  As you add people, it will say
something like
Selected (100)
indicating that you have invited 100 people.

6.  There is an edit box where you can type a personal message that
will accompany the invitation.  I would put something in about how the
event would appeal to anyone interested in free access to books, fair
use, etc. etc.  You can also encourage people to spread the word about
the event.  I do think that this event has very broad appeal since
anyone could use the text-to-speech feature.  Also positions held by
organizations like the RIAA and Authors Guild are generally not
supported by the public and especially students.

7.  Finally click the send Invitations button.

We currently have about 228 invited guests and we would like to
greatly expand this number, as we want a minimum of 500 people on the
street in NYC on Tuesday April 7th!

We should be able to get this initial invited guests number in the
thousands if we all complete the above steps.

Best,
Mika
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 14:40:05 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 09:40:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Around The World in 180 Minutes On Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <1360EE5315E24924B3008D4B0920491A@thedjdinvasion>

Hello To All!
Join me for a very unique and special edition of The Djd Invasion tonight!
On this evening's program, we'll be taking a trip around the world, and listening to songs that have one thing in common..Either part of the song or all of the song uses a different language besides English.
So whether you want a glimpse of Spanish culture, a look at German life, or a trip to the beautiful city of Paris, we'll cover it tonight!!!
The fun begins at 6 PM central time, which is 7 PM eastern for those who are not sure.
During the show, you can communicate with me by email/msn messenger at the address
request at acbradio.org
by aol instant messenger at the address
djdrocks
or when I'm not playing songs, you can call in and speak to me live on the air!
The number to dial is
1-516-874-5071
or you can just skype me at
thedjdinvasion
This is a quick three hour musical ride that will cover some of the most common languages of the world. It's a trip I'm sure you won't forget!
So to listen, save this email, grab your passports, and at 6 PM central time tonight, which is 7 PM eastern, head on over to
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/listen.html
to log in and rock out with our look at various cultures on tonight's Djd Invasion. I hope to see you all there!
Best regards,
David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.thedjdinvasion.com

From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 15:07:04 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 11:07:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [vmwb] STEM Image Description for Digital Talking
	Books (fwd)
Message-ID: <49cf8e64.04c2f10a.28d1.ffff895a@mx.google.com>

I thought this may be of interest to some.

Liz

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 
Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March
for Independence:
http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea
m&fr_id=1050 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:vmwb-bounces at mailman2.u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Imke Durre
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:45 AM
To: vmwb at u.washington.edu
Subject: [vmwb] STEM Image Description for Digital Talking Books (fwd)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bryan Gould <bryan_gould at wgbh.org>

The WGBH National Center for Accessible Media announces research-based 
Guidelines for Describing STEM Images for use within Digital Talking Books.

http://ncam.wgbh.org/publications/stemdx/index.html

These guidelines are the result of a seminal effort, funded by the National 
Science Foundation, to develop recommended practices for descriptions of 
science, technology, engineering and math images within digital talking
books 
(DTBs). The work was jointly undertaken by leading organizations that
pioneered 
description for visually impaired users and are currently shaping national 
policy and practices for the provision of accessible materials in electronic

formats.

NCAM staff will be providing training for implementing these STEM
Description 
Guidelines at conferences and through webinars. If you or your organization 
would like to participate in a webinar, please contact Bryan Gould, 
bryan_gould at wgbh.org

Thank you to the many, many of you who participated in this project during
the 
research phase and to those of you who have expressed interest in the
outcome. 
Implementing the recommendations provided in these Guidelines will be a 
significant step in providing independent access to STEM material for
students 
and professionals.

Thank you,
bg
--
Bryan Gould

Media Access Group
Descriptive Video Service
Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family National Center for Accessible Media

WGBH Educational Foundation
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From nefamphetamine at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 17:47:02 2009
From: nefamphetamine at gmail.com (Lilyth Berlin)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:47:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Invite Your Facebook Friends To Authors Guild
	NYC Protest Tue Apr 7
In-Reply-To: <695ace540903290726y1da7047as1b05c5eef2488b8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <695ace540903290726y1da7047as1b05c5eef2488b8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d644bc30903291047j1bdc45ddrd62de409d1abe926@mail.gmail.com>

what of people who don't use Facebook? Can a person just show up?

On 3/29/09, Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Please go on to the Facebook site, and invite your friends to join us
> for the Authors Guild protest on Tuesday April 7.
>
> The basic steps to do this are as follows:
>
> 1.  First be sure you are signed in to the Facebook site;
> 2.  Click the link below which will take you to the NFB Authors Guild
> Protest event Facebook page;
> http://is.gd/p05d
>
> 3.  Enter your RSVP if you have not done so already.  I hope it will be
> Attending
> If for some reason you cannot access the event you can email me and I
> will invite you....I have not tested this in the case of soemone
> accessing the event for the first time;
>
> 4.  Press enter on or Click the link that says
> Invite People to Come
>
> 5.  You are now presented with a page or pages that list all your
> Facebook friends.  You click or press enter on each name to add them
> to the list of invited guests.  As you add people, it will say
> something like
> Selected (100)
> indicating that you have invited 100 people.
>
> 6.  There is an edit box where you can type a personal message that
> will accompany the invitation.  I would put something in about how the
> event would appeal to anyone interested in free access to books, fair
> use, etc. etc.  You can also encourage people to spread the word about
> the event.  I do think that this event has very broad appeal since
> anyone could use the text-to-speech feature.  Also positions held by
> organizations like the RIAA and Authors Guild are generally not
> supported by the public and especially students.
>
> 7.  Finally click the send Invitations button.
>
> We currently have about 228 invited guests and we would like to
> greatly expand this number, as we want a minimum of 500 people on the
> street in NYC on Tuesday April 7th!
>
> We should be able to get this initial invited guests number in the
> thousands if we all complete the above steps.
>
> Best,
> Mika
> http://twitter.com/pyyhkala
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>


-- 
Peace, love and empathy,

Nefertiti


From mgoalball at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 21:52:00 2009
From: mgoalball at gmail.com (Matt McCubbin)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:52:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] college and Job preparedness weekend at Camp Tuhsmeheta
Message-ID: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>

Hey all,
Below is information regarding an event for high school and college students at Camp Tuhsmeheta in Michigan. For more information, please contact Adrianne Dempsey, program director, at adriannedempsey at gmail.com
Best regards,
Matt McCubbin
President, Michigan Association of Blind Students


Get on the inside track to college interviews or employment with Camp T’s
How to Succeed by Trying  Weekend!
Friday, April 17, 2009 through Sunday, April 19, 2009
Learn how to prepare for an interview – what to say and what NOT to say
Work on Resume writing
Find out what to wear, say, and do to impress your next boss
Learn how to dress for success
Learn to prepare a budget and how to save money at college or at home
We will enjoy a business lunch at camp and dine at a fancy restaurant
Talk to successful blind and visually impaired adults and learn how they made it
big. Whether you are looking for your first job or your fiftieth, this weekend will
be packed with information and tools you can use while still including the type of
fun, friendship, and laughter that only Camp T can provide. This event will offer
practical advice for anyone from high school and college students to working professionals.
You must be 14 or older to attend.
Registration fee of $40 includes all workshops for the weekend event, food at camp,
and lodging.
Bring additional money for Saturday night dinner
Scholarships for registration and transportation fees are available based on need.
Things you should bring:
·        Bedding and towels
· A copy of your resume, if you have one
· Nice clothes and $20 for Saturday night dinner at a restaurant
· Laptop or other note taking device
Camp Tuhsmeheta 10500 Lincoln Lake Rd,
Greenville, MI 48838
(616)754-5410

From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 21:54:33 2009
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 17:54:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Invite Your Facebook Friends To Authors Guild
	NYC Protest Tue Apr 7
In-Reply-To: <3d644bc30903291047j1bdc45ddrd62de409d1abe926@mail.gmail.com>
References: <695ace540903290726y1da7047as1b05c5eef2488b8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d644bc30903291047j1bdc45ddrd62de409d1abe926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <695ace540903291454g5815c177p843bc166c6d65efb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Yes, absolutely one can join the event even if you are not a Facebook
member.  You would want to email or call Rosi or Jason in the national
office in Baltimore so they can count you in and email you any last
minute or logistics updates.  You can call 410-659-9314 and ask for
Jason or Rosi in affiliate action as well.

That being said, I'd recommend you join Facebook if at all possible.
Tools like Twitter and Facebook are beginning to largely replace email
in terms of communications.  My nece who is in high school thinks of
good old email as sort of old fashioned, like something you would do
with your parents or grandparents.

More importantly than keeping up with the Jone's though, you may want
to consider joining Facebook and other social networks so that your
voice in support of accessibility and universal design is included in
the conversation.

Quite often we don't see enough people who are blind advocating for
accessibility and universal design on these sites, and in
conversations that the broader community has on these sites.

Quite frankly even educated people largely have no idea how or even if
a blind person does something as basic as use a computer.  I remember
crossing the street after lunch one day, and an IT consultant at our
company asked me how on earth I used a computer.  So the knowledge out
there is not very strong.  He literally had no idea or thought it was
through magic or something :).

But again come and join us in New York either way, but this is why I
think for people who are blind it may even be more critical that we
actively join these networks and conversations so that we are not
overlooked.

As one example, I recently took my first flight on Virgin America.
Among other enhancements, they offer in flight WIFI as well as an IFE
(in flight entertainment system) which you use to order your food and
drinks, chat with others on the plane, watch live tv, play games, and
several other things.

I contacted Virgin America on Twitter
http://twitter.com/virginamerica
and asked them to have a Red (that is what they call their IFE system)
person contact me.  They sent me the email, office, and cell# for the
manager of the Red IFE system and I have communicated the need for
that system to be accessible to people who are blind.  The next thing
they are probably asking at Virgin America's offices is how many other
people are calling or emailing or posting about this?

I also tried the in flight WIFI.  Its offered by Air Cell under the
GoGoInFlight brand name.  This same company provides in flight WIFI
for Delta, Virgin America, and some American and United flights.  The
in flight WIFI process had a visual only captcha.  Again I contacted
GoGoInFlight on Twitter at
http://twitter.com/gogoinflight
and I've asked them to have someone in their company contact me about
the captcha.  There is no way you could even use WebVisum to solve the
captcha because you must solve it during the internet sign up process.

In my Twitter post to GoGoInFlight, I linked to an AFB YouTube video
about captcha and the blind.  Besides the people at GoGoInFlight and
Virgin America reading it, that message will also be brought up on the
radar for the 800 plus other people who follow my Twitter posts.  All
or some of them will not read it, but some undoubtedly will see it,
and it will raise the consciousness regarding accessibility both for
the people who are directly part of the conversation as well as all
others who are just listening.  I also have Twitter configured so when
I post to it, it updates my Facebook status so even more people will
see the conversation.

In the old days of email, the conversation was often just 1 to 1, but
with social networking its a 1 to many conversation.

Also I will often connect a conversation about need for accessibility with
http://twitter.com/nfb_voice
so they can monitor the buzz of whats going on in Baltimore.

If you want to watch the AFB YouTube video, see my Twitter stream below.


Best,
Mika
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala









On 3/29/09, Lilyth Berlin <nefamphetamine at gmail.com> wrote:
> what of people who don't use Facebook? Can a person just show up?
>
> On 3/29/09, Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Please go on to the Facebook site, and invite your friends to join us
>> for the Authors Guild protest on Tuesday April 7.
>>
>> The basic steps to do this are as follows:
>>
>> 1.  First be sure you are signed in to the Facebook site;
>> 2.  Click the link below which will take you to the NFB Authors Guild
>> Protest event Facebook page;
>> http://is.gd/p05d
>>
>> 3.  Enter your RSVP if you have not done so already.  I hope it will be
>> Attending
>> If for some reason you cannot access the event you can email me and I
>> will invite you....I have not tested this in the case of soemone
>> accessing the event for the first time;
>>
>> 4.  Press enter on or Click the link that says
>> Invite People to Come
>>
>> 5.  You are now presented with a page or pages that list all your
>> Facebook friends.  You click or press enter on each name to add them
>> to the list of invited guests.  As you add people, it will say
>> something like
>> Selected (100)
>> indicating that you have invited 100 people.
>>
>> 6.  There is an edit box where you can type a personal message that
>> will accompany the invitation.  I would put something in about how the
>> event would appeal to anyone interested in free access to books, fair
>> use, etc. etc.  You can also encourage people to spread the word about
>> the event.  I do think that this event has very broad appeal since
>> anyone could use the text-to-speech feature.  Also positions held by
>> organizations like the RIAA and Authors Guild are generally not
>> supported by the public and especially students.
>>
>> 7.  Finally click the send Invitations button.
>>
>> We currently have about 228 invited guests and we would like to
>> greatly expand this number, as we want a minimum of 500 people on the
>> street in NYC on Tuesday April 7th!
>>
>> We should be able to get this initial invited guests number in the
>> thousands if we all complete the above steps.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mika
>> http://twitter.com/pyyhkala
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nefamphetamine%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Peace, love and empathy,
>
> Nefertiti
>
> _______________________________________________
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 02:59:30 2009
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:59:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello All!!
Message-ID: <fba03a170903291959i473adc22qc8b9d749d805038a@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Everyone.
My name is Mary Fernandez and I am a Freshman at Emory University In
Atlanta. I am a psychology and music double major, and hope to one
day, many years from now, graduate with a PHD in clinical psychology.
Currently, i am serving as the secretary of the newly formed Georgia
association of Blind STudents! Before that, I was secretary/treasurer
of the student association in my lovely home state of New Jersey.
I was born in Colombia, so Spanish is my first language! I love to
sing, of course, read, and I actually like school. smile. Well, I
won't make this too long. just wanted to introduce myself, and I am
looking forward to many informative posts.
-- 
Mary Fernandez
Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
President Barack Obama


From cassonw at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 04:00:34 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 21:00:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello All!!
In-Reply-To: <fba03a170903291959i473adc22qc8b9d749d805038a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fba03a170903291959i473adc22qc8b9d749d805038a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0903292100o4e354753p6adb8fc8d79dd53f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mary,
Welcome to the nabs list.  We look forward to hearing more from you.  I hope
you find the information  on the list helpful.
Bill

On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Everyone.
> My name is Mary Fernandez and I am a Freshman at Emory University In
> Atlanta. I am a psychology and music double major, and hope to one
> day, many years from now, graduate with a PHD in clinical psychology.
> Currently, i am serving as the secretary of the newly formed Georgia
> association of Blind STudents! Before that, I was secretary/treasurer
> of the student association in my lovely home state of New Jersey.
> I was born in Colombia, so Spanish is my first language! I love to
> sing, of course, read, and I actually like school. smile. Well, I
> won't make this too long. just wanted to introduce myself, and I am
> looking forward to many informative posts.
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> Emory University 2012
> P.O. Box 123056
> Atlanta Ga.
> 30322
> Phone: 732-857-7004
> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
> greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
> President Barack Obama
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From blindhistory at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 04:49:43 2009
From: blindhistory at gmail.com (Lora)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:49:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] To David Andrews
Message-ID: <ea6d2ed00903292149qe076612vefe85c51f880c7b8@mail.gmail.com>

David-
Could you email me off list? I would like to talk to you about the Idaho
association of blind students. Thanks in advance.

-- 
Lora

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 10:11:49 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 06:11:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello All!!
References: <fba03a170903291959i473adc22qc8b9d749d805038a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c9b11f$f2502150$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Hi Mary, Welcome to the list.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:59 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello All!!


> Hello Everyone.
> My name is Mary Fernandez and I am a Freshman at Emory University In
> Atlanta. I am a psychology and music double major, and hope to one
> day, many years from now, graduate with a PHD in clinical psychology.
> Currently, i am serving as the secretary of the newly formed Georgia
> association of Blind STudents! Before that, I was secretary/treasurer
> of the student association in my lovely home state of New Jersey.
> I was born in Colombia, so Spanish is my first language! I love to
> sing, of course, read, and I actually like school. smile. Well, I
> won't make this too long. just wanted to introduce myself, and I am
> looking forward to many informative posts.
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> Emory University 2012
> P.O. Box 123056
> Atlanta Ga.
> 30322
> Phone: 732-857-7004
> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
> greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
> President Barack Obama
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 16:03:09 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:03:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
In-Reply-To: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>
References: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAOM1KRMPCRdOvRmQ0WZRV3sBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>


I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea of
having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
like. 

There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources of
tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.

j.mandarino1 at comcast.net

Sincerely,

Mandarino




From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 16:13:51 2009
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:13:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAOM1KRMPCRdOvRmQ0WZRV3sBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
References: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAOM1KRMPCRdOvRmQ0WZRV3sBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fba03a170903300913y23c6a256t1743a2d23a1c7d23@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jason!!
The first thing to do is to learn the braille code for Spanish. It's
not all that difficult, and most textbooks have like the acented
symbols in the  front of the book. So, you should be fine. Also, most
entry level classes are pretty simple, you probably won't be doing any
incredibly amount of reading and such.
Just talk to the professor once you register, and try to familarize
yourself with the symbols  so that it won't be overwhelming at first.
Hope this helps.
Mary

On 3/30/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.
>
> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.
>
> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Mary Fernandez
Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
President Barack Obama


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Mar 30 16:46:01 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:46:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
Message-ID: <20090330164601.27450.36763@web2.serotek.com>

Hi.

I have taken a foreign language in college with little to no experience 
beforehand. I took American sign Language (ASL). ASL presents some 
unusual challenges that you won't have to deal with in Spanish. For 
example, I needed a tactile interpreter, or someone who would mimic 
what he or she saw as people sign throughout the classroom so I know 
who's saying what and what's being said. Additionally, having a tactile 
interpreter also meant more intimate practice with communication, most 
especially when my interpreter was deaf. I was able to obtain this 
service through my DSS, and it was filed as interpretive services and 
was provided through the deaf/HH program already in place. As usual, I 
handled everything else in the way of accessibility.

I have also taken spanish in high school, and I think that my 
experience in high school is relevant to your question. First and 
foremost, you will certainly want your text book in an accessible 
format. I would highly recommend getting your book in Braille if at all 
possible so you can learn how things are spelled and practice your 
reading and writing skills. Most spanish text books produced for 
english speaking students are produced in grade one spanish Braille. 
There are only minor differences between this style of Braille and 
English Grade 1 Braille. All letters are the same except letters with 
acute accents. I will list the acute letters and other special 
characters below near the end of this message. You may have to do some 
negotiating to get your book. I would suggest working on the book end 
of things a quarter or semester prior to your entrance into the class. 
Also note that many electronic note takers support Braille in foreign 
languages. That said, you may be able to obtain an electronic Braille 
file from a transcriber so you won't have to carry volumes of Braille. 
Otherwise, a standard file will suffice, just don't try to read it with 
English speech synthesizers as they won't know how to decode what's 
written. Incidentally, writing in Braille using a note taker is doable 
with a standard Braille file, just don't try to decode it with speech 
synthesizers unless you have a preinstalled language pack. Your 
disability service should pay for the transcription of your text book. 
If not, check with rehab. If not rehab, this might be a good use of any 
scholarship money you have, particularly if Spanish is part of your 
major or course of study. Best case scenario, a local transcriber will 
already have the material and simply charge you for the file. check 
around at all the usual hot spots for Braille texts; you may find what 
you're looking for.

Frankly, there's no real need to audit the class before actually taking 
it. If your girlfriend wants to take the class first, by all means, her 
experience should be helpful when you decide to take the class. Besides 
an accessible text book, I would highly recommend hiring a reader for 
the class. Your reader's responsibility is to read any text not readily 
available in an accessible format, or text that isn't usable by a KNFB 
Reader with spanish software if you have one. Your reader can also 
scribe tests for you if you've decided that such an arrangement is 
appropriate. Your reader would serve one final function: she or he 
would be responsible for providing you descriptions of visual material 
such as information while watching films in spanish, descriptions of 
objects used to convey concepts such as pictures or actual objects that 
you are to describe in Spanish, or any other necessary info. For 
example, your teacher may hold up a ruler and ask you to name it in 
Spanish. Your reader would tell you it's a ruler in English or hand you 
a ruler to touch for your identification. I would recommend that your 
reader be a
Spanish speaker or an experienced student who has already taken the class.

I have used these techniques in both spanish and ASL classes with 
excellent success. You may encounter weirdness on the part of the 
instructor who might not see a way to properly educate you as a blind 
student. No worries. You will simply have to explain how you will do 
what just as always.

One more word on texts and homework. I would highly suggest doing your 
homework using a Braille note taker if you have one. This way, you can 
practice reading and writing skills and prepare a printed copy for your 
instructor either in paper or by electronic means. Otherwise, do the 
homework in Braille, then meet with your scribe who will take dictation 
from you into print based on what you've written in Braille.

As promised, here is a brief table of Braille acute letters. Others may 
add or amend to this summary if need be.

Capital letters are the same in Spanish Braile as in English Braille.

Periods and commas are also the same. So should be true of dashes, 
colons, and semi-colins.

Numerals are the same and are often written in literary format as 
opposed to Nemmeth format.

Exclamation and question marks are placed on either end of a sentence 
in print and in Braille. In print, the preceding mark is inverted while 
the mark at the end of the sentence appears as usual. in Braille, 
exclamation and question marks also appear both at the beginning and 
end of the sentence, but there are no inversions (the marks look the 
same on either end). The question mark is written with dots 2 and 6, 
then is followed by capital signs, the sentence itself, then the final 
question mark written again with dots 2 and 6. Exclamation marks follow 
the same rules but are written with dots 2, 3, and 5. Quotation marks 
are the same in Spanish as they are in English Braille.

Acute letters

A is written with dots 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6.
E is written with dots 2, 3, 4, and 6.
I is written with dots 3 and 4.
O is written with dots 3, 4, and 6.
U is written with dots 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
I believe the "ch" letter of the Spanish alphabet doesn't change; it is 
still written with dots 1 and 6.
Double L is written simply as two L's as in English.
N with a tilde over it is written with dots 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6.
All non-accented letters are written as usual.

Let me know if you have further questions.
Original message:

> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.

> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.

> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net

> Sincerely,

> Mandarino



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From sarah at growingstrong.org  Mon Mar 30 17:16:37 2009
From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:16:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
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Jason,

How fluent are you in English braille?

The primary problems with college-level foreign language are the 
availability of textbooks in braille. Often it is possible to get a text via 
RFB&D but not in braille. Sometimes it is possible to get the text 
transcribed if you know well in advance (meaning a year or so) what you will 
be using. This is not cheap, and I would recommend enlisting the support of 
your university and VR counselor to fund it.

Professors may also be using handouts, and you would need access to these. 
(Not all professors do this, but some do.) I have learned four languages... 
Every professor's teaching style is different. If it is possible for you to 
meet with a professor and learn about their teaching style and find out 
about their level of interest in working with you, this could be an 
advantage. You may be able to sit in on some class sessions without auditing 
to determine whether you can follow what is going on in class.

Working with a Spanish major as a tutor may also be helpful to you.

Sarah J. Blake
Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org
http://www.growingstrong.org 


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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 30 17:18:35 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 10:18:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
Message-ID: <147030.53828.qm@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Greetings Jason,
Taking a forign language is somewhat difficult; however, if you have a partner helping you, you will be able to work through this.  Dos Mundos is a great textbook and it even has a good set of audio CDS for each chapter.  RFBD also carries this textbook so you will not need to rely on jaws or voiceover to here the textbook.  This reinforces the spoaken word of the language.  In addition, understand that vowel sounding words do not sound the same in English.  E sounds like A and I sounds like E.  Do not rely on sounds, rely on spelling in the start.  Do not hesitate to contact me with any further questions.  


      


From jonte711 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 17:40:42 2009
From: jonte711 at gmail.com (jonte)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 12:40:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
Message-ID: <49d103ca.e203be0a.7130.ffffbd17@mx.google.com>


Hi Jason, 
 You shouldn't have any difficulty with Spanish or any other romance language. 
The braille is the same as in English except for the accents. These look like other grade 2 braille symbols, but it's been my experience that things brailled in a foreign language are in grade 1 braille. So, the only grade 2 symbols you should see are accented letters.
If you want to scan something in a foreign language so that you can read it on a braille notetaker, DO NOT USE A MAC. 
The accented letters will appear as indecipherable symbols.

If you scan the material with a         PC, the accent marks might not alw appear, but at least you'll be able to read all the letters of every word without the irritating distraction of trdemark and copyright symbols.
Jonte 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:03 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language


I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea of
having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
like. 

There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources of
tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.

j.mandarino1 at comcast.net

Sincerely,

Mandarino



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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Mar 30 18:22:32 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:22:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
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Message-ID: <20090330142232.07lbjnmyw0gk4kog@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi there,
This is a great topic, and I've often wondered teh same thing. Also,  
does anyone have experiences with Braille and learning languages such  
as Mandarin or Hindi?
Thank you!
Sarah


Quoting Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>:

>
> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.
>
> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.
>
> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
>
>
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From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 19:38:10 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:38:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
In-Reply-To: <20090330164601.27450.36763@web2.serotek.com>
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Thanks, I appreciate this.

My interest is personal and not academic. I am a huge academic nerd, but my
program does not require or expect me to take a foreign language. I am
primarily interested as I like learning new things, and more so realizing
the increased Spanish speaking statistics as the Latino and other
populations rise. I love to communicate, and would think for it to be a
shame that I could not simply due to never trying to learn something
different.

Much appreciated,

Mandarino

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jedi
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:46 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Foreign language

Hi.

I have taken a foreign language in college with little to no experience 
beforehand. I took American sign Language (ASL). ASL presents some 
unusual challenges that you won't have to deal with in Spanish. For 
example, I needed a tactile interpreter, or someone who would mimic 
what he or she saw as people sign throughout the classroom so I know 
who's saying what and what's being said. Additionally, having a tactile 
interpreter also meant more intimate practice with communication, most 
especially when my interpreter was deaf. I was able to obtain this 
service through my DSS, and it was filed as interpretive services and 
was provided through the deaf/HH program already in place. As usual, I 
handled everything else in the way of accessibility.

I have also taken spanish in high school, and I think that my 
experience in high school is relevant to your question. First and 
foremost, you will certainly want your text book in an accessible 
format. I would highly recommend getting your book in Braille if at all 
possible so you can learn how things are spelled and practice your 
reading and writing skills. Most spanish text books produced for 
english speaking students are produced in grade one spanish Braille. 
There are only minor differences between this style of Braille and 
English Grade 1 Braille. All letters are the same except letters with 
acute accents. I will list the acute letters and other special 
characters below near the end of this message. You may have to do some 
negotiating to get your book. I would suggest working on the book end 
of things a quarter or semester prior to your entrance into the class. 
Also note that many electronic note takers support Braille in foreign 
languages. That said, you may be able to obtain an electronic Braille 
file from a transcriber so you won't have to carry volumes of Braille. 
Otherwise, a standard file will suffice, just don't try to read it with 
English speech synthesizers as they won't know how to decode what's 
written. Incidentally, writing in Braille using a note taker is doable 
with a standard Braille file, just don't try to decode it with speech 
synthesizers unless you have a preinstalled language pack. Your 
disability service should pay for the transcription of your text book. 
If not, check with rehab. If not rehab, this might be a good use of any 
scholarship money you have, particularly if Spanish is part of your 
major or course of study. Best case scenario, a local transcriber will 
already have the material and simply charge you for the file. check 
around at all the usual hot spots for Braille texts; you may find what 
you're looking for.

Frankly, there's no real need to audit the class before actually taking 
it. If your girlfriend wants to take the class first, by all means, her 
experience should be helpful when you decide to take the class. Besides 
an accessible text book, I would highly recommend hiring a reader for 
the class. Your reader's responsibility is to read any text not readily 
available in an accessible format, or text that isn't usable by a KNFB 
Reader with spanish software if you have one. Your reader can also 
scribe tests for you if you've decided that such an arrangement is 
appropriate. Your reader would serve one final function: she or he 
would be responsible for providing you descriptions of visual material 
such as information while watching films in spanish, descriptions of 
objects used to convey concepts such as pictures or actual objects that 
you are to describe in Spanish, or any other necessary info. For 
example, your teacher may hold up a ruler and ask you to name it in 
Spanish. Your reader would tell you it's a ruler in English or hand you 
a ruler to touch for your identification. I would recommend that your 
reader be a
Spanish speaker or an experienced student who has already taken the class.

I have used these techniques in both spanish and ASL classes with 
excellent success. You may encounter weirdness on the part of the 
instructor who might not see a way to properly educate you as a blind 
student. No worries. You will simply have to explain how you will do 
what just as always.

One more word on texts and homework. I would highly suggest doing your 
homework using a Braille note taker if you have one. This way, you can 
practice reading and writing skills and prepare a printed copy for your 
instructor either in paper or by electronic means. Otherwise, do the 
homework in Braille, then meet with your scribe who will take dictation 
from you into print based on what you've written in Braille.

As promised, here is a brief table of Braille acute letters. Others may 
add or amend to this summary if need be.

Capital letters are the same in Spanish Braile as in English Braille.

Periods and commas are also the same. So should be true of dashes, 
colons, and semi-colins.

Numerals are the same and are often written in literary format as 
opposed to Nemmeth format.

Exclamation and question marks are placed on either end of a sentence 
in print and in Braille. In print, the preceding mark is inverted while 
the mark at the end of the sentence appears as usual. in Braille, 
exclamation and question marks also appear both at the beginning and 
end of the sentence, but there are no inversions (the marks look the 
same on either end). The question mark is written with dots 2 and 6, 
then is followed by capital signs, the sentence itself, then the final 
question mark written again with dots 2 and 6. Exclamation marks follow 
the same rules but are written with dots 2, 3, and 5. Quotation marks 
are the same in Spanish as they are in English Braille.

Acute letters

A is written with dots 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6.
E is written with dots 2, 3, 4, and 6.
I is written with dots 3 and 4.
O is written with dots 3, 4, and 6.
U is written with dots 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
I believe the "ch" letter of the Spanish alphabet doesn't change; it is 
still written with dots 1 and 6.
Double L is written simply as two L's as in English.
N with a tilde over it is written with dots 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6.
All non-accented letters are written as usual.

Let me know if you have further questions.
Original message:

> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea
of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.

> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources
of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.

> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net

> Sincerely,

> Mandarino



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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 19:41:22 2009
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:41:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
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Hi Jason,
Since you are In Georgia, definitely look into Amac. But be sure, that
if you are going to take it, you give them the book well in advance,
as they can be a bit slow in transcribing. They jsut finished sending
out my french book a few weeks ago, and I had ordered it in October.
They can send you an electronic version of it too, just make sure to
have a language pack in your note taker.


On 3/30/09, jonte <jonte711 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>  You shouldn't have any difficulty with Spanish or any other romance
> language.
> The braille is the same as in English except for the accents. These look
> like other grade 2 braille symbols, but it's been my experience that things
> brailled in a foreign language are in grade 1 braille. So, the only grade 2
> symbols you should see are accented letters.
> If you want to scan something in a foreign language so that you can read it
> on a braille notetaker, DO NOT USE A MAC.
> The accented letters will appear as indecipherable symbols.
>
> If you scan the material with a         PC, the accent marks might not alw
> appear, but at least you'll be able to read all the letters of every word
> without the irritating distraction of trdemark and copyright symbols.
> Jonte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 11:03 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
>
>
> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.
>
> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.
>
> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
>
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Mon Mar 30 19:56:59 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:56:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
References: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>
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Message-ID: <FF1C668B089C483C89E33BA1E351D232@Hope>

Hello. I speak fluent Spanish and have done so  since I was very  young. I 
took Spanish courses in college (French in high school). But, I am also 
taking German (from scratch in college). The best thing to do I guess is to 
talk to your professors. Spanish Braille is not too difficult to learn, and 
the spelling of words is phoenetic. If you have to, ask the professors to 
spell what they write on the board (or powerpoint or whatever they use for 
lectures. Depending on how you want your material (Braille [which in the 
beginning I would recommend since you're first learning a language], audio 
material etc.) you can talk with your disability service  office to have 
them scan the material for you. Just make sure they scan it with the Spanish 
language setting- if they don't it will be in gibberish.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask either on or 
off-list. I check this address daily and multiple times.
Sincerely,
Hope Paulos.
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language


>
> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea 
> of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.
>
> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources 
> of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.
>
> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
>
>
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From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 20:45:20 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:45:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello All!!
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References: <fba03a170903291959i473adc22qc8b9d749d805038a@mail.gmail.com>
	<002101c9b11f$f2502150$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
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On 3/30/09, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mary, Welcome to the list.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 10:59 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Hello All!!
>
>
>> Hello Everyone.
>> My name is Mary Fernandez and I am a Freshman at Emory University In
>> Atlanta. I am a psychology and music double major, and hope to one
>> day, many years from now, graduate with a PHD in clinical psychology.
>> Currently, i am serving as the secretary of the newly formed Georgia
>> association of Blind STudents! Before that, I was secretary/treasurer
>> of the student association in my lovely home state of New Jersey.
>> I was born in Colombia, so Spanish is my first language! I love to
>> sing, of course, read, and I actually like school. smile. Well, I
>> won't make this too long. just wanted to introduce myself, and I am
>> looking forward to many informative posts.
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> Emory University 2012
>> P.O. Box 123056
>> Atlanta Ga.
>> 30322
>> Phone: 732-857-7004
>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
>> President Barack Obama
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Hi Mary! Welcome to the list. I am Merisa Musemic. I am new to NFB. I
just joined my local NFB Chapter. I'm currently a graduate student at
Wayne State University in Detroit, majoring in rehabilitation
counseling. I am from Bosnia, and Bosnian, AKA Serbocroatian (before
the war is my native language). One of my friends from my program went
to Emery University.
All the best in your studies!
Merisa


From merisa.musemic at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 20:54:40 2009
From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:54:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
Message-ID: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all! I am looking for an accessible cellphone. I'd like to be able
to enter my contact numbers without sighted assistance. The phone I
currently have is LG 8350, and my service is Verizon wireless. I heard
that LG 8350 can be adjusted to provide full talking feature, however
the only feature I see as accessible is Voice Activated dialing.
Please help if you can!
Thanks! Merisa


From empower at smart.net  Mon Mar 30 21:47:59 2009
From: empower at smart.net (Jamal Mazrui)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:47:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] EdSharp 3.1 and FileDir 3.7 released
Message-ID: <auto-000095201587@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I am pleased to associate my open source projects with the "Raising the
Floor" initiative, located on the web at
http://RaisingTheFloor.net

This is the broadest community initiative I know on technology access
regardless of disability or economic position.  participation is a way of
enabling human potential at an international level.

The spirit is hopefully expressed in the latest improvements to EdSharp
and FileDir, which make significant improvements in international support,
help options, and 64-bit compatibility, among other areas.

Jamal
----------

Improvements that apply to both EdSharp and FileDir are described first,
followed by those particular to each application.

Additional help options increase ways of learning these applications
through both study and discovery.  Control+F1 is a new command that
toggles a key describer mode in which pressing a key describes its action.
Switching to another application window also turns off the mode
automatically.

In general, the wording of command names in EdSharp and FileDir has been
made more consistent, thereby aiding memorization.  As before, complete
documentation is available in your default web browser with F1, and a
summary of hot keys is available with Alt+Shift+H.  The Alternate Menu
command, Alt+F10, now shows descriptions of commands as well as their
names and hotkeys.  As before, you can filter what commands are shownin
the listbox, e.g., press Control+F for filter, type the *copy* string, and
press Enter to show only commands related to a copy operation.  Press
Control+Shift+F to clear the filter, showing all commands again.

Recent changes were made for compatibility with 64-bit Windows.  An
exception, however, is that the JAWS scripts to refine speech should be
manually installed on 64-bit Windows at present, rather than by marking
the checkbox at the end of installation.  To do this, choose the Explore
Settings option from the JAWS program group of the Windows Start Menu to
find the user script folder, and then unarchive the file called ed_scr.zip
or dir_scr.zip from the appropriate program folder, e.g.,
C:\Program Files\EdSharp\ed_scr.zip
----------

EdSharp 3.1
http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe

Bugs have been fixed in the following EdSharp commands:  Right Brace
(Control+Shift+]), Next Part (Alt+PageDown), Prior Part (Alt+PageUp), and
Yield Encoding (Alt+Shift+Y).

Press Alt+Shift+F7 for a new EdSharp command that translates all or
selected text from one natural language to another via the Google API.
You pick the source and target languages.  Google limits the text to about
500 characters per translation.

EdSharp can now convert English braille files with .brl or .brf extensions
to plain text, e.g., files from BookShare or NLS.  This is done by calling
the NFBTrans utility in the background, a free braille translator and back
translator published by the National Federation of the Blind and available
on its web site
http://nfb.org

The conversion of compiled HTML format, .chm files, is also significantly
improved by incorporating a new version of the CHM2TXT utility, which is
also available separately at
http://EmpowermentZone.com/chm2txt.zip

CHM format is widely used for software documentation, and may often be
found by exploring the folder and subfolders where an application is
installed, generally
C:\Program Files\ApplicationName

Press Control+Shift+O, specify the path to a .chm file, and obtain a
result in structured text format, placed in a new document window.

Several commands that perform comparisons now can be configured to examine
text items other than lines.  Accordingly, the commands have been renamed
to include the word Items instead of lines:  List Different Items
(Alt+Shift+L), Keep Unique Items (Alt+Shift+K), Order Items (Alt+Shift+O),
Number Items (Alt+Shift+N), Query Common Items (Alt+Shift+Q), and Reverse
Items (Alt+Shift+Z).  The default delimiter between items is the \n
character, indicating a line break (ASCII 10).  This may be changed to any
string.  For example, to compare sections of a structured text file
instead, press Control+Shift+C for Configuration Options, and Alt+S for
the SectionBreak setting.  Since the text is initially selected, press
Control+C to copy it to the clipboard.  Then press Alt+L for LimitItem,
Control+V to paste, and Enter to save settings.  To try the new setting,
choose History of Changes from the Help menu (Shift+F1), which opens a
structured text file describing changes in EdSharp over time.  By default,
the sections are in chronological order, so the most recent changes appear
last.  You can reverse the order by pressing Alt+Shift+Z.

As before, output from the Say Time (Alt+Semicolon) and Insert Time
(Alt+Shift+Semicolon) commands can be adjusted  with the DateFormat and
TimeFormat configuration settings, which follow template conventions of
the .NET Framework.  The value of 0 is now also defined as a way of
telling EdSharp not to use that component in its output.  This lets you
use just the date or time if you want.

As before, the NavigatePart setting is a regular expression for moving
among routines in source code.  It is used by Alt+PageDown and Alt+PageUp
to go to the next or previous function, method, or class definition, based
on the current compiler in use.  A new command, Go to Part (Alt+Shift+G),
presents these locations in a list, giving you an overview of the code
structure and a way to pick a location.
----------

FileDir 3.7
http://EmpowermentZone.com/dirsetup.exe

As before, when an archive file has focus in FileDir, pressing Enter
presents a view of its items that is similar to a directory view.  You can
now choose to open the archive with another program instead by pressing
Shift+Enter.  This runs the default program associated with the file
extension in the Windows registry, e.g., WinZip or WinRar.

A new command, Alt+Shift+F4, restarts Windows after prompting for
confirmation in a standard message box.

----------
End of Document




From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Mar 30 21:51:27 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:51:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
References: <20090330164601.27450.36763@web2.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <006801c9b181$adb2bf00$0501a8c0@Serene>

One correction: capital letters are actually written as dots 4 and 6 and 
periods are dot 3.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Foreign language


> Hi.
>
> I have taken a foreign language in college with little to no experience 
> beforehand. I took American sign Language (ASL). ASL presents some unusual 
> challenges that you won't have to deal with in Spanish. For example, I 
> needed a tactile interpreter, or someone who would mimic what he or she 
> saw as people sign throughout the classroom so I know who's saying what 
> and what's being said. Additionally, having a tactile interpreter also 
> meant more intimate practice with communication, most especially when my 
> interpreter was deaf. I was able to obtain this service through my DSS, 
> and it was filed as interpretive services and was provided through the 
> deaf/HH program already in place. As usual, I handled everything else in 
> the way of accessibility.
>
> I have also taken spanish in high school, and I think that my experience 
> in high school is relevant to your question. First and foremost, you will 
> certainly want your text book in an accessible format. I would highly 
> recommend getting your book in Braille if at all possible so you can learn 
> how things are spelled and practice your reading and writing skills. Most 
> spanish text books produced for english speaking students are produced in 
> grade one spanish Braille. There are only minor differences between this 
> style of Braille and English Grade 1 Braille. All letters are the same 
> except letters with acute accents. I will list the acute letters and other 
> special characters below near the end of this message. You may have to do 
> some negotiating to get your book. I would suggest working on the book end 
> of things a quarter or semester prior to your entrance into the class. 
> Also note that many electronic note takers support Braille in foreign 
> languages. That said, you may be able to obtain an electronic Braille file 
> from a transcriber so you won't have to carry volumes of Braille. 
> Otherwise, a standard file will suffice, just don't try to read it with 
> English speech synthesizers as they won't know how to decode what's 
> written. Incidentally, writing in Braille using a note taker is doable 
> with a standard Braille file, just don't try to decode it with speech 
> synthesizers unless you have a preinstalled language pack. Your disability 
> service should pay for the transcription of your text book. If not, check 
> with rehab. If not rehab, this might be a good use of any scholarship 
> money you have, particularly if Spanish is part of your major or course of 
> study. Best case scenario, a local transcriber will already have the 
> material and simply charge you for the file. check around at all the usual 
> hot spots for Braille texts; you may find what you're looking for.
>
> Frankly, there's no real need to audit the class before actually taking 
> it. If your girlfriend wants to take the class first, by all means, her 
> experience should be helpful when you decide to take the class. Besides an 
> accessible text book, I would highly recommend hiring a reader for the 
> class. Your reader's responsibility is to read any text not readily 
> available in an accessible format, or text that isn't usable by a KNFB 
> Reader with spanish software if you have one. Your reader can also scribe 
> tests for you if you've decided that such an arrangement is appropriate. 
> Your reader would serve one final function: she or he would be responsible 
> for providing you descriptions of visual material such as information 
> while watching films in spanish, descriptions of objects used to convey 
> concepts such as pictures or actual objects that you are to describe in 
> Spanish, or any other necessary info. For example, your teacher may hold 
> up a ruler and ask you to name it in Spanish. Your reader would tell you 
> it's a ruler in English or hand you a ruler to touch for your 
> identification. I would recommend that your reader be a
> Spanish speaker or an experienced student who has already taken the class.
>
> I have used these techniques in both spanish and ASL classes with 
> excellent success. You may encounter weirdness on the part of the 
> instructor who might not see a way to properly educate you as a blind 
> student. No worries. You will simply have to explain how you will do what 
> just as always.
>
> One more word on texts and homework. I would highly suggest doing your 
> homework using a Braille note taker if you have one. This way, you can 
> practice reading and writing skills and prepare a printed copy for your 
> instructor either in paper or by electronic means. Otherwise, do the 
> homework in Braille, then meet with your scribe who will take dictation 
> from you into print based on what you've written in Braille.
>
> As promised, here is a brief table of Braille acute letters. Others may 
> add or amend to this summary if need be.
>
> Capital letters are the same in Spanish Braile as in English Braille.
>
> Periods and commas are also the same. So should be true of dashes, colons, 
> and semi-colins.
>
> Numerals are the same and are often written in literary format as opposed 
> to Nemmeth format.
>
> Exclamation and question marks are placed on either end of a sentence in 
> print and in Braille. In print, the preceding mark is inverted while the 
> mark at the end of the sentence appears as usual. in Braille, exclamation 
> and question marks also appear both at the beginning and end of the 
> sentence, but there are no inversions (the marks look the same on either 
> end). The question mark is written with dots 2 and 6, then is followed by 
> capital signs, the sentence itself, then the final question mark written 
> again with dots 2 and 6. Exclamation marks follow the same rules but are 
> written with dots 2, 3, and 5. Quotation marks are the same in Spanish as 
> they are in English Braille.
>
> Acute letters
>
> A is written with dots 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6.
> E is written with dots 2, 3, 4, and 6.
> I is written with dots 3 and 4.
> O is written with dots 3, 4, and 6.
> U is written with dots 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
> I believe the "ch" letter of the Spanish alphabet doesn't change; it is 
> still written with dots 1 and 6.
> Double L is written simply as two L's as in English.
> N with a tilde over it is written with dots 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6.
> All non-accented letters are written as usual.
>
> Let me know if you have further questions.
> Original message:
>
>> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
>> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
>> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
>> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea 
>> of
>> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
>> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
>> like.
>
>> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources 
>> of
>> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
>> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following 
>> address
>> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too 
>> cluttered.
>
>> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
>> Sincerely,
>
>> Mandarino
>
>
>
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>
> -- 
> REspectfully,
> Jedi
>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Mar 30 22:02:43 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:02:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>

I also have that model and your missed calls and voicemails are accessible, 
too.  Just press the button on the lower left of the phone and you should 
hear "Please say a command."  Say "check" and the phone will say, "Please 
choose."  You say either "voicemail" or "missed calls" and the phone will 
tell you if you have any of either.  No, you can't really put in your new 
contacts in yourself.  You definitely can't text message!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <rehab at nfbnet.orgg>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:54 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help


> Hi all! I am looking for an accessible cellphone. I'd like to be able
> to enter my contact numbers without sighted assistance. The phone I
> currently have is LG 8350, and my service is Verizon wireless. I heard
> that LG 8350 can be adjusted to provide full talking feature, however
> the only feature I see as accessible is Voice Activated dialing.
> Please help if you can!
> Thanks! Merisa
>
> _______________________________________________
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 22:04:29 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:04:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cell phone Help
In-Reply-To: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d141a7.c6c1f10a.1aee.4dd2@mx.google.com>

Hi, 

My sister has the LG Voyager, which is semi-accessible. You can add contacts
independently as well as do other things. If you don't want to pay for
Mobile Speak or even Talks, as Verizon has just partnered with them, that
could be a less-expensive alternative. I think there are also other LG
models out there that do the same thing, such as the LG NV and LGNV2. 
Take care, 

Liz 

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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 22:13:14 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:13:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
	<009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <000d01c9b184$b9faa360$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I have that same phone as well. I will have to try saying check and what I 
want it to check. i usually just say something like call voice mail.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help


>I also have that model and your missed calls and voicemails are accessible, 
>too.  Just press the button on the lower left of the phone and you should 
>hear "Please say a command."  Say "check" and the phone will say, "Please 
>choose."  You say either "voicemail" or "missed calls" and the phone will 
>tell you if you have any of either.  No, you can't really put in your new 
>contacts in yourself.  You definitely can't text message!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Merisa Musemic" <merisa.musemic at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <rehab at nfbnet.orgg>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:54 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
>
>
>> Hi all! I am looking for an accessible cellphone. I'd like to be able
>> to enter my contact numbers without sighted assistance. The phone I
>> currently have is LG 8350, and my service is Verizon wireless. I heard
>> that LG 8350 can be adjusted to provide full talking feature, however
>> the only feature I see as accessible is Voice Activated dialing.
>> Please help if you can!
>> Thanks! Merisa
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>
>
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From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 22:15:38 2009
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:15:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
References: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAOM1KRMPCRdOvRmQ0WZRV3sBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A66FDC91B50A4389982F37CD1A0A34D9@Bird>

Jason,

Do you know anyone with whom you can speak Spanish daily or as close to 
daily as possible? You and your girlfriend can take as many courses as there 
are ants, and you won't get far sans native intuitions. I've had a passion 
for languages since middle school, so coming in from scratch at college is 
totally beyond foreign to me. Remember that if you don't use it, you shall 
lose it! If you know someone who speaks Farsi, learn Farsi. Believe me, it's 
easier just to take Spanish and try to hack through it with a book and a 
teacher, but native speakers will be able to give you wise council on what 
you're saying. I'm very passionate about this, so please forgive me if I 
sound preachy. I have known too many unsuspecting people who've been thrown 
into the grinder of our education system, and they can't speak the language 
even after ten years of courses throughout their education.

Sincerely,

Ben Bloomgren


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Mandarino" <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 09:03
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language


>
> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea 
> of
> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
> like.
>
> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources 
> of
> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.
>
> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Mandarino
>
>
>
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From cassonw at gmail.com  Mon Mar 30 22:26:07 2009
From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 15:26:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
In-Reply-To: <009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
	<009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0903301526p7e8643c5r35f1235406ea8772@mail.gmail.com>

I assume you have the LG vx8350 from last year.
press the voice command menu button and select look up name, there will be
an option to create here.  you can also read out contact modify them and
delete.  Use the five way navigation keys after pressing the voice command
button to scroll through the options here.  This phone can also be
configured to read out the number or name of incoming calls.  Feel free to
email me if you have additional questions.
Bill

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:

> I also have that model and your missed calls and voicemails are accessible,
> too.  Just press the button on the lower left of the phone and you should
> hear "Please say a command."  Say "check" and the phone will say, "Please
> choose."  You say either "voicemail" or "missed calls" and the phone will
> tell you if you have any of either.  No, you can't really put in your new
> contacts in yourself.  You definitely can't text message!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merisa Musemic" <
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> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 4:54 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
>
>
>  Hi all! I am looking for an accessible cellphone. I'd like to be able
>> to enter my contact numbers without sighted assistance. The phone I
>> currently have is LG 8350, and my service is Verizon wireless. I heard
>> that LG 8350 can be adjusted to provide full talking feature, however
>> the only feature I see as accessible is Voice Activated dialing.
>> Please help if you can!
>> Thanks! Merisa
>>
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From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com  Mon Mar 30 23:34:16 2009
From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:34:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
In-Reply-To: <009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
	<009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <4908DFE41E8F447D90E662BB78A10AA9@UNCGL3A8463>

Hello Merisa,
I migrated to Verizon, and I have the SMT5800. It is a phone that runs
Mobile Speak, and I love it. It is fully accessible. If you are willing to
purchase Mobile Speak, I suggest going to Code Factory's website at:
http://www.codefactory.es
and checking out the list of phones that are Mobile Speak compatible with
Verizon. I am not sure about your options if you are only looking for out of
the box accessibility.
Kolby



From jim275_2 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 31 00:00:26 2009
From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for a blindness-related theisis topic
Message-ID: <707349.60278.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>


Hello all, 
I am a grad student at Montana State University-Billings where I am pursuing a Masters in Public
Administration. Combined with my Bachelor of Science in Recreation Management from the University of Montana's College of Forestry and Concervation, I intend to use my education to work the the field of public land
management. I am currently looking for a research topic relivant to my
career interest. Does anyone have any ideas that would tie
blindness/blindness issues to the use/administration of public lands
(it would need to be more specific than the general term
"accessability")? If so, please email me directly at jim275_2 at yahoo.com If you yourself do not have anysuggestions, please forward this message to anyone you feel may be of help.
Thanks,
Jim Reed

Thanks,
Jim

"Ability is of little account without opportunity."   
           
      |     
          -Napoleon Bonaparte


      

From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Tue Mar 31 00:56:46 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:56:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
Message-ID: <20090331005646.11120.20098@web2.serotek.com>

Huh. that's interesting. I don't remember seeing those dot 
combinations, especially the 4-6 combination.

Respectfully Submitted


Original message:
> One correction: capital letters are actually written as dots 4 and 6 and
> periods are dot 3.

> Serena


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jedi" <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Foreign language


>> Hi.

>> I have taken a foreign language in college with little to no experience
>> beforehand. I took American sign Language (ASL). ASL presents some unusual
>> challenges that you won't have to deal with in Spanish. For example, I
>> needed a tactile interpreter, or someone who would mimic what he or she
>> saw as people sign throughout the classroom so I know who's saying what
>> and what's being said. Additionally, having a tactile interpreter also
>> meant more intimate practice with communication, most especially when my
>> interpreter was deaf. I was able to obtain this service through my DSS,
>> and it was filed as interpretive services and was provided through the
>> deaf/HH program already in place. As usual, I handled everything else in
>> the way of accessibility.

>> I have also taken spanish in high school, and I think that my experience
>> in high school is relevant to your question. First and foremost, you will
>> certainly want your text book in an accessible format. I would highly
>> recommend getting your book in Braille if at all possible so you can learn
>> how things are spelled and practice your reading and writing skills. Most
>> spanish text books produced for english speaking students are produced in
>> grade one spanish Braille. There are only minor differences between this
>> style of Braille and English Grade 1 Braille. All letters are the same
>> except letters with acute accents. I will list the acute letters and other
>> special characters below near the end of this message. You may have to do
>> some negotiating to get your book. I would suggest working on the book end
>> of things a quarter or semester prior to your entrance into the class.
>> Also note that many electronic note takers support Braille in foreign
>> languages. That said, you may be able to obtain an electronic Braille file
>> from a transcriber so you won't have to carry volumes of Braille.
>> Otherwise, a standard file will suffice, just don't try to read it with
>> English speech synthesizers as they won't know how to decode what's
>> written. Incidentally, writing in Braille using a note taker is doable
>> with a standard Braille file, just don't try to decode it with speech
>> synthesizers unless you have a preinstalled language pack. Your disability
>> service should pay for the transcription of your text book. If not, check
>> with rehab. If not rehab, this might be a good use of any scholarship
>> money you have, particularly if Spanish is part of your major or course of
>> study. Best case scenario, a local transcriber will already have the
>> material and simply charge you for the file. check around at all the usual
>> hot spots for Braille texts; you may find what you're looking for.

>> Frankly, there's no real need to audit the class before actually taking
>> it. If your girlfriend wants to take the class first, by all means, her
>> experience should be helpful when you decide to take the class. Besides an
>> accessible text book, I would highly recommend hiring a reader for the
>> class. Your reader's responsibility is to read any text not readily
>> available in an accessible format, or text that isn't usable by a KNFB
>> Reader with spanish software if you have one. Your reader can also scribe
>> tests for you if you've decided that such an arrangement is appropriate.
>> Your reader would serve one final function: she or he would be responsible
>> for providing you descriptions of visual material such as information
>> while watching films in spanish, descriptions of objects used to convey
>> concepts such as pictures or actual objects that you are to describe in
>> Spanish, or any other necessary info. For example, your teacher may hold
>> up a ruler and ask you to name it in Spanish. Your reader would tell you
>> it's a ruler in English or hand you a ruler to touch for your
>> identification. I would recommend that your reader be a
>> Spanish speaker or an experienced student who has already taken the class.

>> I have used these techniques in both spanish and ASL classes with
>> excellent success. You may encounter weirdness on the part of the
>> instructor who might not see a way to properly educate you as a blind
>> student. No worries. You will simply have to explain how you will do what
>> just as always.

>> One more word on texts and homework. I would highly suggest doing your
>> homework using a Braille note taker if you have one. This way, you can
>> practice reading and writing skills and prepare a printed copy for your
>> instructor either in paper or by electronic means. Otherwise, do the
>> homework in Braille, then meet with your scribe who will take dictation
>> from you into print based on what you've written in Braille.

>> As promised, here is a brief table of Braille acute letters. Others may
>> add or amend to this summary if need be.

>> Capital letters are the same in Spanish Braile as in English Braille.

>> Periods and commas are also the same. So should be true of dashes, colons,
>> and semi-colins.

>> Numerals are the same and are often written in literary format as opposed
>> to Nemmeth format.

>> Exclamation and question marks are placed on either end of a sentence in
>> print and in Braille. In print, the preceding mark is inverted while the
>> mark at the end of the sentence appears as usual. in Braille, exclamation
>> and question marks also appear both at the beginning and end of the
>> sentence, but there are no inversions (the marks look the same on either
>> end). The question mark is written with dots 2 and 6, then is followed by
>> capital signs, the sentence itself, then the final question mark written
>> again with dots 2 and 6. Exclamation marks follow the same rules but are
>> written with dots 2, 3, and 5. Quotation marks are the same in Spanish as
>> they are in English Braille.

>> Acute letters

>> A is written with dots 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6.
>> E is written with dots 2, 3, 4, and 6.
>> I is written with dots 3 and 4.
>> O is written with dots 3, 4, and 6.
>> U is written with dots 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.
>> I believe the "ch" letter of the Spanish alphabet doesn't change; it is
>> still written with dots 1 and 6.
>> Double L is written simply as two L's as in English.
>> N with a tilde over it is written with dots 1, 2, 4, 5, and 6.
>> All non-accented letters are written as usual.

>> Let me know if you have further questions.
>> Original message:

>>> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
>>> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
>>> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
>>> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea
>>> of
>>> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
>>> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
>>> like.

>>> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources
>>> of
>>> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
>>> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following
>>> address
>>> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too
>>> cluttered.

>>> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net

>>> Sincerely,

>>> Mandarino



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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Tue Mar 31 01:58:31 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: DAISY Consortium releases Obi  1.0
Message-ID: <auto-000095225479@mailfront2.g2host.com>


 >>> "George Kerscher" <kerscher at montana.com> 3/28/2009 8:49 AM >>>
Dear DAISY Members and Friends,

We are pleased to announce the availability of Obi , an open source
recording tool for the creation of DAISY 3 NCX plus audio materials.
(officially the ANSI/NISO Z39.86 Specifications for the Digital Talking
Book)

I want to congratulate  Avneesh Singh and the rest of the Obi development
team  that worked on the software, testing, and supporting materials. Great
job!

 From the news item:
Obi open source audio recording tool enables a broader audience to produce
accessible,
navigable information for people with print disabilities. DAISY audio books
created
with Obi can be produced with chapters, sections, sub-sections and pages,
providing
navigation to the content. Obi is fully accessible using assistive
technologies such
as screen readers. In addition, Obi reduces the time required to work with
sophisticated
production tools and significantly reduces tool costs that may create
barriers for
some.

Press release:
<http://daisy.org/news/attachments/Obi_Release.html>http://daisy.org/news/attachments/Obi_Release.html

Project area:
<http://www.daisy.org/projects/obi/>http://www.daisy.org/projects/obi/

Best
George

George Kerscher Ph.D.
In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.
Secretary General, DAISY Consortium
<http://www.daisy.org>http://www.daisy.org
Senior Officer, Accessible Technology Recording For the Blind & Dyslexic
(RFB&D)
<http://www.rfbd.org>http://www.rfbd.org
Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the
W3C
<http://www.w3c.org/wai>http://www.w3c.org/wai
Board Representative to the International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)
<http://www.idpf.org>http://www.idpf.org
Phone: +1 406/549-4687
Email: kerscher at montana.com



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Mar 31 02:03:59 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:03:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Rights Coalition Urges Authors to Allow Everyone
 Access to E-books
Message-ID: <auto-000091706154@mailfront1.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, ext. 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



Reading Rights Coalition Urges Authors to Allow
Everyone Access to E-books



Informational Protest to be Held at Authors Guild Headquarters



New York City (March 30, 2009): The Reading 
Rights Coalition, which represents people who 
cannot read print, will protest the threatened 
removal of the text-to-speech function from 
e-books for the Amazon Kindle 2 outside the 
Authors Guild headquarters in New York City at 31 
East 32nd Street on April 7, 2009, from noon to 
2:00 p.m.  The coalition includes the blind, 
people with dyslexia, people with learning or 
processing issues, seniors losing vision, people 
with spinal cord injuries, people recovering from 
strokes, and many others for whom the addition of 
text-to-speech on the Kindle 2 promised for the 
first time easy, mainstream access to over 255,000 books.



When Amazon released the Kindle 2 electronic book 
reader on February 9, 2009, the company announced 
that the device would be able to read e-books 
aloud using text-to-speech technology.  Under 
pressure from the Authors Guild, Amazon has 
announced that it will give authors and 
publishers the ability to disable the 
text-to-speech function on any or all of their 
e-books available for the Kindle 2.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “The blind and 
print-disabled have for years utilized 
text-to-speech technology to read and access 
information.  As technology advances and more 
books move from hard-copy print to electronic 
formats, people with print disabilities have for 
the first time in history the opportunity to 
enjoy access to books on an equal basis with 
those who can read print.  Authors and publishers 
who elect to disable text-to-speech for their 
e-books on the Kindle 2 prevent people who are blind or have

other print disabilities from reading these 
e-books.  This is blatant discrimination and we will not tolerate it.”



Mike Shuttic, president of the Association on 
Higher Education and Disability (AHEAD), said: 
“AHEAD envisions educational and societal 
environments that value disability and embody 
equality of opportunity.  This vision of AHEAD is 
directly aligned with the efforts of this 
coalition.  Although much rhetoric is made about 
potential obstacles and problems that exist, the 
basic goal is clear and simple––access for 
everyone.  And why create something that prevents it?”



Mitch Pomerantz, president of the American 
Council of the Blind, said: “Removing the 
text-to-speech features closes the door on an 
innovative technological solution that would make 
regular print books available to tens of 
thousands of individuals who are blind or visually impaired.”



Andrew Imparato, President and Chief Executive 
Officer for the American Association of People 
with Disabilities (AAPD), said: “It is outrageous 
when a technology device shuts out people with 
all kinds of disabilities.  AAPD works to remove 
barriers to accessibility and usability in 
technology, and we don't expect to see people 
with disabilities singled out by having to pay 
more for access.  New technologies, such as 
electronic books, should be available to everyone regardless of disability.”

Paul Schroeder, vice president of programs and 
policy for the American Foundation for the Blind, 
said: "Those of us with print disabilities have 
long dreamed of a world in which books and media 
are available to us at the same time as everyone 
else. The Kindle 2 offers that possibility for 
the first time.  We hope publishers and authors 
come to see that text-to-speech is simply an 
alternative means of access to print."

Dr. Peter Blanck, chairman and university 
professor at Burton Blatt Institute at Syracuse 
University, said: “As electronic books become the 
norm, denying universal access will result in 
more and more people with disabilities being left 
out of education, employment, and the societal 
conversation.  We will all suffer from the 
absence of their participation and contribution 
to the debates that occupy us as a society.”



George Kerscher of the Digital Accessible 
Information System (DAISY) Consortium, said: "The 
DAISY Consortium envisions a world where people 
with print disabilities have equal access to 
information and knowledge, without delay or 
additional expense.  Authors and publishers 
surely must share this vision.  Now that the 
issue of human rights has been explained, and the 
opportunity for larger sales are known, I urge 
the Authors Guild to reverse their position on 
text-to-speech and join us in actively 
encouraging all publishers and reading technology 
developers to open the world of reading to 
everybody.  Authors, join us on the picket line."



Steve Jacobs, president of IDEAL Group Inc., 
said, “Not only is text-to-speech important to 
people who are blind, it is critical in providing 
quality educations to millions of young people 
who rely on text-to-speech to learn 
effectively.  This includes students with autism, 
learning disabilities, mobility disabilities, and 
cognitive disabilities that impact their ability 
to acquire information with their eyes only. I 
remain hopeful that the talented members of the 
Authors Guild come to understand the potential 
negative impact of disabling the text-to-speech 
function on their e-books and reconsider their position.”



Cynthia D. Waddell, executive director of the 
International Center for Disability Resources on 
the Internet (ICDRI), said:  “The mission of 
ICDRI supports the removal of barriers in 
electronic and information technology and the 
promotion of equal access.  ICDRI welcomes the 
text-to-speech functionality being offered by the 
Kindle 2 since it increases mainstream access to 
books for the first time in history.  We question 
why the Authors Guild demands that it be turned 
it off since many more books would be sold if 
text-to-speech was turned back on.  Not only

does this feature benefit persons with 
disabilities, but it also helps persons for whom 
English is not their native language.  In an 
increasingly mobile society, flexibility in 
access to content improves the quality of life for everyone.”



James Love, director of Knowledge Ecology 
International, said: “Knowing full well that not 
everyone can see, the Authors Guild wants the 
right to be seen, but not heard.  By bullying 
Amazon to change the technology of Kindle 2, the 
Authors Guild will either deny access to people 
who are disabled, or make them pay more.  By 
attacking disabled persons in this way, the 
Authors Guild is attacking everyone who would 
otherwise benefit from the contributions this 
community has the potential to offer.”



James H. Wendorf, executive director for the 
National Center for Learning Disabilities, said: 
"Access to the written word is the cornerstone of 
education and democracy.  New technologies must 
serve individuals with disabilities, not impede 
them.  Our homes, schools and ultimately our 
economy rely on support for the future, not 
discriminating practices and beliefs from the past.”

While the Kindle 2 is not currently accessible to 
blind users, Amazon recently announced on its 
Kindle 2 blog that it is currently at work on 
making the device’s navigational features accessible to the blind.



The coalition includes: American Association of 
People with Disabilities, American Council of the 
Blind, American Foundation for the Blind, 
Association on Higher Education and Disability, 
Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law, Burton 
Blatt Institute, Digital Accessible Information 
System (DAISY) Consortium, Disability Rights 
Education and Defense Fund (DREDF), IDEAL Group, 
Inc., International Center for Disability 
Resources on the Internet, International Dyslexia 
Association, International Dyslexia 
Association––New York Branch, Knowledge Ecology 
International, Learning Disabilities Association 
of America, National Center for Learning 
Disabilities, National Disability Rights Network, 
National Federation of the Blind, NISH, and the 
National Spinal Cord Injury Association.  In 
addition to the April 7 New York City protest, 
the coalition will participate in the Los Angeles 
Times Festival of Books on April 25-26.



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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Tue Mar 31 02:17:05 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:17:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle E-Reader: A Trojan Horse for Free Thought
Message-ID: <auto-000091707022@mailfront1.g2host.com>

With all the discussion about the Kindle, and what it permits, and 
doesn't permit, I thought this might be of interest to some.

David Andrews


Kindle E-Reader: A Trojan Horse for Free Thought

By Emily Walshe
The Christian Science Monitor
from the March 18, 2009 edition
<<http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0318/p09s01>http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0318/p09s01-coop.html>

Brookville, N.Y. - All you really need to know about
the dangers of digital commodification you learned in
kindergarten.

Think back. Remember swapping your baloney sandwich for
Jell-o pudding? Now, imagine handing over your sandwich
and getting just a spoon.

That's one trade you'd never make again.

Yet that's just what millions of Americans are doing
every day when they read "books" on Kindle, Amazon's e-
reading device. In our rush to adopt new technologies,
we have too readily surrendered ownership in favor of
its twisted sister, access.

Web 2.0 and its culture of collaboration supposedly
unleashed a sharing society. But we can share only what
we own. And as more and more content gets digitized,
commercialized, and monopolized, our cultural integrity
is threatened. The free and balanced flow of
information that gives shape to democratic society is
jeopardized.

For now, though, Kindle is on fire in the marketplace.
Who could resist reading "what you want, when you want
it?" Access to more than 240,000 books is just seconds
away. And its "revolutionary electronic-paper display
... looks and reads like real paper."

But it comes with restrictions: You can't resell or
share your books - because you don't own them. You can
download only from Amazon's store, making it difficult
to read anything that is not routed through Amazon
first. You're not buying a book; you're buying access
to a book. No, it's not like borrowing a book from a
library, because there is no public investment. It's
like taking an interest-only mortgage out on
intellectual property.

If our flailing economy is to teach us anything, it
might be that an on-demand world of universal access
(with words like lease, licensure, and liquidity) gets
us into trouble. Amazon and other e-media aggregators
know that digital text is the irrational exuberance of
the day, and so are seizing the opportunity to codify,
commodify, and control access for tomorrow. But access
doesn't "look and read" like printed paper at all -
just ask any forlorn investor. Access is useless
currency.

Why is this important? Because Kindle is the kind of
technology that challenges media freedom and restricts
media pluralism. It exacerbates what historian William
Leach calls "the landscape of the temporary": a hyper
mobile and rootless society that prefers access to
ownership. Such a society is vulnerable to the dangers
of selective censorship and control.

Digital rights management (DRM), which Kindle uses to
lock in its library, raises critical questions about
the nature of property and identity in digital culture.
Culture plays a large role - in some ways, larger than
government - in shaping who we are as individuals in a
society. The First Amendment protects our right to
participate in the production of that culture. The
widespread commodification of access is shaping nearly
every aspect of modern citizenship. There are benefits,
to be sure, but this transformation also poses a big-
time threat to free expression and assembly.

When Facebook, for example, proposed revisions to its
terms of service last month - claiming ownership of
user profiles and personal data - the successful
backlash it spawned caused complex (even existential)
ideas about property, identity, and capitulation to
bubble up: Is my Facebook profile the essence of who I
am? If so, who owns me?

The hallmark of a constitutionally governed society,
after all, is the acknowledgment that we are the
authors of our own experience. In an Internet age, this
is manifest not only in published works, but also an
ever-evolving host of user-generated content (Twitter,
Blogger, Facebook, YouTube, etc.). If service providers
lay claim to digital content now, how will it all end?

Print may be dying, but the idea of print would be the
more critical demise: the idea that there needs to be a
record - an artifact of permanence, residence, and
posterity - that is independent of some well-appointed
thingamajig in order to be seen, touched, understood,
or wholly possessed.

"You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture,"
Ray Bradbury once said. "Just get people to stop
reading them."

Access equals control. In this case, it is control over
what is read and what is not; what is referenced and
what is overlooked; what is retained and what is
deleted; what is and what seems to be.

To kindle, we must remember, is to set fire to. The
combustible power of this device (and others like it)
lies in their quiet but constant claim to intangible,
algorithmic capital. What the Kindle should be igniting
is serious debate on the fundamental, inalienable right
to property in a digital age - and clarifying what's
yours, mine, and ours.

It should strike a match against the winner-take-all
casino economies that this kind of technology
engenders; revitalize American libraries and other
social institutions in their quest to preserve the
doctrines of fair use and first sale (which allow for
free and lawful sharing); and finally, spark Americans
to consider the extent to which they are handing over
their baloney sandwich for a plastic spoon.

Like a lot of people, I'm a sucker for a good book. But
not at the expense of freedom, or foreclosure of
thought.


Emily Walshe is a librarian and professor at Long
Island University in New York.



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Mar 31 02:23:01 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:23:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind to Hold THE CANE EVENT
Message-ID: <auto-000091707388@mailfront1.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, ext. 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)
<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



National Federation of the Blind to Hold
  THE CANE EVENT



Join Us for a Night of Fun, Food, and Entertainment



Baltimore, Maryland (March 30, 2009): The 
National Federation of the Blind (<?xml:namespace 
prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>NFB) will host THE CANE EVENT on April 4, 2009, 
at the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan 
Institute in Federal Hill.  The event will 
celebrate the NFB’s Braille Readers are Leaders 
program.  More than four hundred friends, 
colleagues, and blind people from across the 
nation are expected to attend.  The event 
promises an evening of food, fun, and entertainment.



THE CANE EVENT will feature Mark Riccobono, 
executive director of the NFB Jernigan Institute, 
as master of ceremonies, as well as a catered 
dinner and silent and live auctions.  Live music 
will be provided by Marquise.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “We are pleased 
and proud to welcome our friends from the 
Baltimore community, as well as friends from all 
over the country, to our annual fundraiser THE 
CANE EVENT.  The evening will surely be a 
remarkable celebration and will also serve to 
highlight the importance of Braille literacy to 
the general public.  There can be no doubt that 
the ability to read and write Braille competently 
and efficiently is the key to education, 
employment, and success for the blind.  Despite 
the undisputed value of Braille, however, only 
about 10 percent of blind children in the United 
States are learning it.  Please join us at THE 
CANE EVENT as we work together to reverse the 
downward trend in Braille literacy.”



Proceeds from this event will go to the National 
Federation of the Blind’s Braille Readers are 
Leaders campaign, a national initiative to 
promote the importance of reading and writing 
Braille for blind children and adults.  The Braille Readers are

Leaders campaign kicked off in July of 2008 with 
the unveiling of the design of a commemorative 
coin to be minted in 2009 in recognition of the 
two-hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis 
Braille (1809–1852), the inventor of the reading 
and writing code for the blind that bears his 
name.  On March 26 the Louis Braille Bicentennial 
Silver Dollar was released by the U.S. Mint.



For more information about this exciting event, 
please contact Jerry Lazarus at (410) 659-9314, 
extension 2297, or by e-mail at 
<mailto:jlazarus at nfb.org>jlazarus at nfb.org. 
Tickets may be purchased online at 
<http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org or through Emily 
Neubeck at (410) 659-9314, extension 2419, or by e-mail at eneubeck at nfb.org.





###



About the National Federation of the Blind



With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.   The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.





From fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 12:56:12 2009
From: fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com (Franandah Damstra)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:56:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Foreign language
In-Reply-To: <20090330142232.07lbjnmyw0gk4kog@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <894043BD3DA44378971CDA8130B54A49@matt>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADSA47abc95Akm8BjFP8CtFChgsAEAAAAOM1KRMPCRdOvRmQ0WZRV3sBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
	<20090330142232.07lbjnmyw0gk4kog@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <a7b0cbec0903310556x60e250e1ied16aa258baa106@mail.gmail.com>

I've learned Japanese and the Braille is VERY different than Braille
in English. It has taken me quite a while to learn and to be honestl,
I'm still not fluent in it. It just takes a lot of practice and a lot
of reading. I looked it up online and then asked a friend to translate
it into real braille for me. Then I just go over and other it.

On 3/30/09, sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi there,
> This is a great topic, and I've often wondered teh same thing. Also,
> does anyone have experiences with Braille and learning languages such
> as Mandarin or Hindi?
> Thank you!
> Sarah
>
>
> Quoting Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com>:
>
>>
>> I am curious if any blind students have learned a second language in
>> college, with no previous experience of middle school or high school
>> courses. I am interested in learning Spanish, and would like some
>> suggestions on how to do this from scratch. I have contemplated the idea
>> of
>> having my girlfriend take an entry course, as she is also interested, and
>> meanwhile auditing the course in order to get a feel of what it will be
>> like.
>>
>> There is also the topic of Spanish Braille, and then additional resources
>> of
>> tutoring and audio materials. I would love any feed back you guys might
>> have, and if necessary you can feel free to reply to the following address
>> and I can post a digest version of the responses if it gets too cluttered.
>>
>> j.mandarino1 at comcast.net
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mandarino
>>
>>
>>
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From fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 13:00:20 2009
From: fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com (Franandah Damstra)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:00:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
In-Reply-To: <4908DFE41E8F447D90E662BB78A10AA9@UNCGL3A8463>
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com>
	<009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene>
	<4908DFE41E8F447D90E662BB78A10AA9@UNCGL3A8463>
Message-ID: <a7b0cbec0903310600n39483cd6t385d67dc6438760e@mail.gmail.com>

I have one of the best phones out there for the blind. Its the NV2 by
Verizon. I can even txt message all by myself! Everything if fully
assessable and it is a  nice phone too. I got it for $150.00 with a
$50.00 mail in rebate. You really should check it out. I have many
other blind friends who have this phone as well. Verizon told me it is
one of the most accessible phones out there. I can do everything my
sighted friends can do without help and that is enough for me.
~Franandah

On 3/30/09, Kolby Garrison <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Merisa,
> I migrated to Verizon, and I have the SMT5800. It is a phone that runs
> Mobile Speak, and I love it. It is fully accessible. If you are willing to
> purchase Mobile Speak, I suggest going to Code Factory's website at:
> http://www.codefactory.es
> and checking out the list of phones that are Mobile Speak compatible with
> Verizon. I am not sure about your options if you are only looking for out of
> the box accessibility.
> Kolby
>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 31 16:42:52 2009
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:42:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help
References: <df5bac6d0903301354w28d38ea3we905231a2affa956@mail.gmail.com><009701c9b183$408d1630$0501a8c0@Serene><4908DFE41E8F447D90E662BB78A10AA9@UNCGL3A8463>
	<a7b0cbec0903310600n39483cd6t385d67dc6438760e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4925E671A0724F869D24335E58658C0B@Ashley>

Hi Frandanda,
This is helpful because I'm looking for a verizon phone that's more 
accessible.  Mine talks a little but does not enable text messaging or 
reading menus of missed calls.  Did you have to pay for a talking 
synthesizer like Talks to enable it to speak?  Or maybe you just bought the 
phone.  Will this phone read you the menus about your calls like missed and 
recieved calls.
What model phone is this?

Thanks.
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible Cellphone Help


>I have one of the best phones out there for the blind. Its the NV2 by
> Verizon. I can even txt message all by myself! Everything if fully
> assessable and it is a  nice phone too. I got it for $150.00 with a
> $50.00 mail in rebate. You really should check it out. I have many
> other blind friends who have this phone as well. Verizon told me it is
> one of the most accessible phones out there. I can do everything my
> sighted friends can do without help and that is enough for me.
> ~Franandah
>
> On 3/30/09, Kolby Garrison <kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com> wrote:
>> Hello Merisa,
>> I migrated to Verizon, and I have the SMT5800. It is a phone that runs
>> Mobile Speak, and I love it. It is fully accessible. If you are willing 
>> to
>> purchase Mobile Speak, I suggest going to Code Factory's website at:
>> http://www.codefactory.es
>> and checking out the list of phones that are Mobile Speak compatible with
>> Verizon. I am not sure about your options if you are only looking for out 
>> of
>> the box accessibility.
>> Kolby
>>
>>
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From jim275_2 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 31 18:02:25 2009
From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
Message-ID: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hey all, 
The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me preface it with some personal background to set the context:
1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, but could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.

That said, my idea:
Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which they qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must permanatly surrender their drivers license.

I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.

Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, it does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, if a person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of society or it's government. 

And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would say blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.

This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as negitive.

As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most inclined to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here is saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or legal troubles.

As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.

Thoughts?
Jim

"Ability is of little account without opportunity."   
           
      |     
          -Napoleon Bonaparte


      

From spangler.robert at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 19:20:19 2009
From: spangler.robert at gmail.com (Robert Spangler)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:20:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
In-Reply-To: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49D26CF3.7050900@gmail.com>

I definitely agree.
I have no interest in having blind people driving.


Jim Reed wrote:
> Hey all, 
> The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me preface it with some personal background to set the context:
> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, but could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
> 
> That said, my idea:
> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which they qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must permanatly surrender their drivers license.
> 
> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
> 
> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, it does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, if a person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of society or it's government. 
> 
> And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would say blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
> 
> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as negitive.
> 
> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most inclined to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here is saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or legal troubles.
> 
> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Jim
> 
> "Ability is of little account without opportunity."   
>            
>       |     
>           -Napoleon Bonaparte
> 
> 
>       
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-- 
Robert Spangler
The University of Toledo
Student Senate - Recording Secretary
Ohio Association of Blind Students - President


From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 31 19:22:19 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
Message-ID: <284360.15407.qm@web30906.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


If you are blind, why would you have a drivers lisence?  One would exchange the lisence for a state issued non drivers identification card.

--- On Tue, 3/31/09, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
> To: "MAB List" <mt-blind at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:02 PM
> Hey all, 
> The following is not going to sit well with some of you so
> let me preface it with some personal background to set the
> context:
> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger,
> because I did not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the
> accident was injury-free, but could have just as easily been
> a fatal roll-over.
> 
> That said, my idea:
> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government
> services which they qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a
> result of being blind, must permanatly surrender their
> drivers license.
> 
> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
> 
> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving
> essential services, it does; but, no one has the right to
> endanger the life of another, and, if a person chooses to do
> so, that person does not deserve the support of society or
> it's government. 
> 
> And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them
> I would say blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
> 
> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations
> where what is truely best for the individual is percieved by
> that individual as negitive.
> 
> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who
> are most inclined to make choices similar to mine, what we
> are really talking about here is saving the next generation
> of blind people from injury, death, or legal troubles.
> 
> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it
> saves even one life, blind or sighted, then it was worth
> it.
> 
> Thoughts?
> Jim
> 
> "Ability is of little account without
> opportunity."   
>            
>       |     
>           -Napoleon Bonaparte
> 
> 
>       
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Tue Mar 31 19:23:22 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:23:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
In-Reply-To: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090331152322.sqkmi3xasoocc8c0@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi there,
That makes a lot of sense to me. After all, the elderly can have their  
licenses permanently taken from them, and often their vision is a part  
of this. If you can't see enough to drive, wand there is no hope your  
sight will be regained, why should you have a license?



Quoting Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>:

> Hey all,
> The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me   
> preface it with some personal background to set the context:
> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because   
> I did not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was   
> injury-free, but could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
>
> That said, my idea:
> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services   
> which they qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being   
> blind, must permanatly surrender their drivers license.
>
> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
>
> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential   
> services, it does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of  
>  another, and, if a person chooses to do so, that person does not   
> deserve the support of society or it's government.
>
> And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would   
> say blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
>
> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what   
> is truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as  
>  negitive.
>
> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most   
> inclined to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking  
>  about here is saving the next generation of blind people from   
> injury, death, or legal troubles.
>
> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even   
> one life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
>
> Thoughts?
> Jim
>
> "Ability is of little account without opportunity."
>
>       |
>           -Napoleon Bonaparte
>
>
>
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 20:39:23 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:39:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
In-Reply-To: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <345856.63700.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20903311339y405a5039kbf607f3698de0759@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

This is a legislation which is too broad.  What you are essentially
saying is that even young legally blind individuals who have passed
the driving test, and who may already have restrictions on their
driving such as being unable to drive in inclement weather, must
immediately surrender their licenses to recieve government services.
I do believe however, that perhaps a better alternative is that any
legally blind driver should be required to come for a driving test
once a year to see if their abilities/skills have dimminished and if
new restrictions should be placed upon them or old ones lifted.  I
believe that this proposal is fairer, and does not trap individuals in
a corner between continuing to have the independence driving oneself
affords and recieving needed government services.

In respectful disagreement,
Courtney

On 3/31/09, Jim Reed <jim275_2 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
> The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me preface it
> with some personal background to set the context:
> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did
> not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, but
> could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
>
> That said, my idea:
> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which they
> qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must
> permanatly surrender their drivers license.
>
> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
>
> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, it
> does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, if a
> person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of society
> or it's government.
>
> And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would say
> blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
>
> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is
> truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as negitive.
>
> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most inclined
> to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here is
> saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or legal
> troubles.
>
> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one
> life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
>
> Thoughts?
> Jim
>
> "Ability is of little account without opportunity."
>
>       |
>           -Napoleon Bonaparte
>
>
>
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From blind.subscriber at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 20:47:10 2009
From: blind.subscriber at gmail.com (Jason Mandarino)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:47:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-since legislative idea
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I have had a few friends that are legally blind, but were not in a position
of degenerative eye sight. Of course they were of the large print category,
but never the less unattractive glasses and additional equipment as they
would put it.

My only issue with this is that it is yet another thing based on
generalizations. I understand the point, but I thin that statements like
these am what corner us into our own issues. We are easily caught up into
what works for one or a few, and forget that blindness is just as
individualized as personality. I am completely for the safety of others, but
even when it comes to elderly people and their driver's license, perhaps it
would be more appropriate to have them do something more than a written test
and a brief eye exam.

Unfortunately, there is no expectation to even have driver's education in
Georgia, so in my opinion the established safety nets are the true issue not
more policies.

Mandarino

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
of Jim Reed
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:02 PM
To: MAB List
Subject: [nabs-l] a common-sence legislative idea

Hey all, 
The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me preface it
with some personal background to set the context:
1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did
not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, but
could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.

That said, my idea:
Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which they
qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must
permanatly surrender their drivers license.

I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.

Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, it
does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, if a
person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of society
or it's government. 

And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would say
blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.

This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is
truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as negitive.

As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most inclined
to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here is
saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or legal
troubles.

As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one
life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.

Thoughts?
Jim

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          -Napoleon Bonaparte


      
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From jim275_2 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 31 21:33:10 2009
From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:33:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV question
Message-ID: <794591.43306.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hey all, 
I have a Merlin CCTV, I used to use the "color" mode, but have recently switched mainly to "enhanced-positive" (brighter white, blacker black) or "color select 3" (yellow on black background). The problem is, my highlighter barely (if at all) shows up. All the highlighter does on those modes (and all the other modes other than color or black and white (which don't work for me)) is make the text a slightly brighter shade of whatever color is being displayed. I am also color blind and cant see slight changes in color shade/brightness. I have tried using different highlighter colors and I have tried turning off the CCTV light, and nothing works. The only thing that has given me any success has been using my hand to partially cover a CCTV light, thus casting a shadow over the page which then (sometimes and to various degrees) allows the CCTV to recognize and display the highlighter. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Jim

"Ability is of little account without opportunity."   
           
      |     
          -Napoleon Bonaparte


      

From singinggirl017 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 31 21:56:19 2009
From: singinggirl017 at hotmail.com (Macy McClain)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:56:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
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I also agree as well. I don't think blind people driving would be a good idea.


 
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:20:19 -0400
> From: spangler.robert at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
> 
> I definitely agree.
> I have no interest in having blind people driving.
> 
> 
> Jim Reed wrote:
> > Hey all, 
> > The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me preface it with some personal background to set the context:
> > 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> > 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> > 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, but could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
> > 
> > That said, my idea:
> > Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which they qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must permanatly surrender their drivers license.
> > 
> > I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
> > 
> > Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, it does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, if a person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of society or it's government. 
> > 
> > And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would say blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
> > 
> > This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as negitive.
> > 
> > As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most inclined to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here is saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or legal troubles.
> > 
> > As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
> > 
> > Thoughts?
> > Jim
> > 
> > "Ability is of little account without opportunity." 
> > 
> > | 
> > -Napoleon Bonaparte
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Tue Mar 31 22:22:26 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:22:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea
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I agree, too!

Serena


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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A common-sence legislative idea


>I definitely agree.
> I have no interest in having blind people driving.
>
>
> Jim Reed wrote:
>> Hey all, The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let 
>> me preface it with some personal background to set the context:
>> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
>> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
>> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did 
>> not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, 
>> but could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
>>
>> That said, my idea:
>> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which 
>> they qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must 
>> permanatly surrender their drivers license.
>>
>> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
>>
>> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, 
>> it does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, 
>> if a person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of 
>> society or it's government. And lastly, some will make a free-choice 
>> arguement. To them I would say blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
>>
>> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is 
>> truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as 
>> negitive.
>>
>> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most 
>> inclined to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking 
>> about here is saving the next generation of blind people from injury, 
>> death, or legal troubles.
>>
>> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one 
>> life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> Jim
>>
>> "Ability is of little account without opportunity."   |     -Napoleon 
>> Bonaparte
>>
>>
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>
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> The University of Toledo
> Student Senate - Recording Secretary
> Ohio Association of Blind Students - President
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From bcsarah.fan at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 22:30:13 2009
From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com (Patricia)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:30:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] foreign language
Message-ID: <AF930C18BCD84BFB9881A74FA3802E67@Athena>

Hi Ben and all: 

I fully support and understand what Ben is saying. I am studying French in university and am not taking it this semester (it's not my major) and I'm already feeling like i'm starting to lose it. I have also taken French for the past 13 and a half years and i am by no means fluent. I never went to French imersion but at some point you begin to wonder when/if you'll be fluent, and how you could have studied this for so long with minimal results. So the more practice you can get with a native speaker the better. That I am certainly lacking in. 

Good luck to all with their language studies!  

Patricia 

From troubleclark at gmail.com  Tue Mar 31 22:43:02 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:43:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A common-since legislative idea
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anybody who is blind should not be driving.


On 3/31/09, Jason Mandarino <blind.subscriber at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have had a few friends that are legally blind, but were not in a position
> of degenerative eye sight. Of course they were of the large print category,
> but never the less unattractive glasses and additional equipment as they
> would put it.
>
> My only issue with this is that it is yet another thing based on
> generalizations. I understand the point, but I thin that statements like
> these am what corner us into our own issues. We are easily caught up into
> what works for one or a few, and forget that blindness is just as
> individualized as personality. I am completely for the safety of others, but
> even when it comes to elderly people and their driver's license, perhaps it
> would be more appropriate to have them do something more than a written test
> and a brief eye exam.
>
> Unfortunately, there is no expectation to even have driver's education in
> Georgia, so in my opinion the established safety nets are the true issue not
> more policies.
>
> Mandarino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> of Jim Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:02 PM
> To: MAB List
> Subject: [nabs-l] a common-sence legislative idea
>
> Hey all,
> The following is not going to sit well with some of you so let me preface it
> with some personal background to set the context:
> 1. By 2005 I was legaly blind with RP.
> 2. In the summer of 2007 I bought a car.
> 3. In summer of 2008, I wrecked said car, with a passenger, because I did
> not see the sharp turn ahead. Fortunatly, the accident was injury-free, but
> could have just as easily been a fatal roll-over.
>
> That said, my idea:
> Blind people, contingent upon recieving any government services which they
> qualify for,(in part, or in whole) as a result of being blind, must
> permanatly surrender their drivers license.
>
> I know some will say this is cohersive, and it is.
>
> Some will say it prevents blind people from recieving essential services, it
> does; but, no one has the right to endanger the life of another, and, if a
> person chooses to do so, that person does not deserve the support of society
> or it's government.
>
> And lastly, some will make a free-choice arguement. To them I would say
> blindness isnt a choice, its a fact.
>
> This is one of those "father knows best" type situations where what is
> truely best for the individual is percieved by that individual as negitive.
>
> As it seems likely that it is the younger blind people who are most inclined
> to make choices similar to mine, what we are really talking about here is
> saving the next generation of blind people from injury, death, or legal
> troubles.
>
> As negitive as this may seem to some blind people, if it saves even one
> life, blind or sighted, then it was worth it.
>
> Thoughts?
> Jim
>
> "Ability is of little account without opportunity."
>
>       |
>           -Napoleon Bonaparte
>
>
>
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