From corbbo at gmail.com Fri May 1 00:10:14 2009 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:10:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the money is already ready, turn it into a vacation with some friends! Nothing quite like a senior trip this summer or next winter break. Corbb On Apr 29, 2009, at 3:43 PM, priscilla wrote: hello, I really appreciate your advice for the future if I ever decide to go abroad with a group. Unfortunately the trip to Europe has been canceled due to the effects of the economic crisis. the economic crisis has taken a toll on the school because most of the study abroad trips are being canceled due to lack of funds. I was very upset at first when I realized that the trip was canceled because that was my last chance to study abroad since I will graduate next year. when I spoke to mom and gave her the news about the cancelation she was upset too because she had the money already and had plans, but it never happened. this is the second time this happens at the school, why does it have to be this way. mom also said "you will get another opportunity to study abroad in the future or when you settle in with a good job," but I don't think so because it is not the same as doing it while in college and still young. this is why I want to start now because then I will outgrow the youth pretty soon and then its no more fun because what if I ever get married and have nice kids. so, I really want to do things now since I am still in the prime years of youth, meaning in college or grad school because you learn more easily. Actually certain areas of your brain don't stop developing until age 25, so that's why I need to take advantage of as much learning experiences so that when I become older, it wouldn't be as difficult to retain things at least in my personal opinion. once you get to a certain age, its hard to keep everything in your head unless I am wrong. anyway, I am sad by this unfortunate turn because that's the only opportunity I have in college once in a lifetime. "you can't fight against the current, even if you would like to." thank you all very much. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri May 1 00:33:02 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:33:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> References: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: How about promising yourself a small reward, you would enjoy, only after you complete a necessary task! Dave At 06:36 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: >Hi NABS, >I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has passed with >little work done. I have a million things to do in the next week, and need >every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed on a task >for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find something else to >do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of things to do >that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated to do that >task, easier for me? >Thank you very much, >Sarah > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4044 (20090430) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From fowlers at syix.com Fri May 1 00:35:57 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:35:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> References: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Oh man, that's frustrating. It happens to me all the time too. First, try cutting out all distractions. Go somewhere where you can work by yourself, turn off the phone and close the email. Then pick a task, and don't stop until you're done. That's what works for me anyway. Another thing you can try is taking a half hour away and doing whatever clears your head. Take a brisk walk, meditate, whatever works for you. Just a few random thoughts, hope they help. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:36 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Hi NABS, I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has passed with little work done. I have a million things to do in the next week, and need every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed on a task for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find something else to do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of things to do that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated to do that task, easier for me? Thank you very much, Sarah _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From hope.paulos at maine.edu Fri May 1 00:48:27 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:48:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Message-ID: <20090501004541593.MMND12322@hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com> Hi. If I need to workon a task continuously, I'll shut the tv off and turn on quiet music. I won't move unless I absolutely have to until that task is finished. Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sarah Jevnikar" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:36:15 -0400 >Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration >Hi NABS, >I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has passed with >little work done. I have a million things to do in the next week, and need >every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed on a task >for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find something else to >do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of things to do >that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated to do that >task, easier for me? >Thank you very much, >Sarah >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paul os%40maine.edu From hope.paulos at maine.edu Fri May 1 00:48:31 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:48:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise Message-ID: <20090501004546233.MMOZ12322@hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com> I have to agree with what your Mom says. You could always study abroad in graduate school or like Corbb said, just take a vacation with friends! Make it your graduation present to yourself and take a trip after graduation with your friends. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Corbb O'Connor" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:10:14 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise >If the money is already ready, turn it into a vacation with some >friends! Nothing quite like a senior trip this summer or next winter >break. >Corbb >On Apr 29, 2009, at 3:43 PM, priscilla wrote: >hello, >I really appreciate your advice for the future if I ever decide to go >abroad with a group. >Unfortunately the trip to Europe has been canceled due to the effects >of the economic crisis. >the economic crisis has taken a toll on the school because most of the >study abroad trips are being canceled due to lack of funds. >I was very upset at first when I realized that the trip was canceled >because that was my last chance to study abroad since I will graduate >next year. >when I spoke to mom and gave her the news about the cancelation she >was upset too because she had the money already and had plans, but it >never happened. >this is the second time this happens at the school, why does it have >to be this way. >mom also said "you will get another opportunity to study abroad in the >future or when you settle in with a good job," but I don't think so >because it is not the same as doing it while in college and still young. >this is why I want to start now because then I will outgrow the youth >pretty soon and then its no more fun because what if I ever get >married and have nice kids. >so, I really want to do things now since I am still in the prime years >of youth, meaning in college or grad school because you learn more >easily. >Actually certain areas of your brain don't stop developing until age >25, so that's why I need to take advantage of as much learning >experiences so that when I become older, it wouldn't be as difficult >to retain things at least in my personal opinion. >once you get to a certain age, its hard to keep everything in your >head unless I am wrong. >anyway, I am sad by this unfortunate turn because that's the only >opportunity I have in college once in a lifetime. >"you can't fight against the current, even if you would like to." >thank you all very much. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40 gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paul os%40maine.edu From JerniganInstitute at nfb.org Fri May 1 01:21:37 2009 From: JerniganInstitute at nfb.org (Mark Riccobono) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:21:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Imagineering Our Future: "No need for greed, we want to read!" Message-ID: Imagineering Our Future Issue 12 April 30, 2009 In this issue: * Message from the Executive Director * What's New * Education * Braille Initiative * Straight Talk About Vision Loss * Technology Talk * From the Jacobus tenBroek Library * Independence Market * Parent Outreach * Spotlight on the Imagination Fund * NFB Calendar * Citation [] Message from the Executive Director When the Federation was founded in 1940, one pillar of the work of the organization was to raise expectations among the blind themselves and fortify them with knowledge, because knowledge is power. In founding the NFB Jernigan Institute, the Federation took this to the next level by creating an information center that will drive innovation and disseminate knowledge in ways previously unimagined. Despite the achievements we have made since 1940 and the explosion of opportunities that have come from the programs of our Jernigan Institute, we still spend considerable time protecting the right of the blind to have access to knowledge. As you will see in this month’s issue of our e-newsletter, we are hard at work disseminating knowledge and protecting the right of the blind to have access to more of it. Our success in the past has brought us to where we are today, but it is clear that there is more work to be done. We are on the verge of significantly closing the knowledge gap that has faced the blind for decades­a gap that is not a result of blindness but rather a result of the inaccessibility of popular avenues for disseminating knowledge. With programs that empower blind people, the stimulation of technologies to access information, and advocacy that teaches the public about the opportunities that come from considering nonvisual accessibility in the sharing of knowledge, the NFB Jernigan Institute is closing the information gap. Now, more than ever before, the blind are on the verge of having equality of opportunity in accessing critical sources of knowledge. If you have not already pledged your support to our petition to ensure the reading rights of people with print disabilities­the right to knowledge­I now invite you to do so. Knowledge is power, and you can make a difference by signing your name to the list of thousands who believe that blindness should not stop one from having access to that knowledge. Graphic: Signature of Mark Riccobono Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute [] Featured NFB News Photo: Kindle 2 NY protest Allow Everyone Access to E-books In February of this year, Amazon, Inc. released a new version of its e-book reader. The Kindle 2 includes a feature that allows downloaded e-books to be read aloud using text-to-speech technology. The Authors Guild has objected to this feature, and under pressure from the Guild, Amazon has announced that it will give authors and publishers the ability to disable the text-to-speech function on any or all of their e-books available for the Kindle 2. Naturally, this is a blow to blind people and others with print disabilities who can benefit from the text-to-speech feature and who would love to be able to purchase books and start reading them immediately for the first time in history. The Authors Guild’s proposed solution was that to read their books with text-to-speech we must either submit to a special registration system or pay extra, because it believes these e-books are licensed only for visual display. For this reason the National Federation of the Blind has joined with other organizations representing people who cannot use print effectively to fight the Authors Guild. The resulting Reading Rights Coalition now includes over thirty organizations of the blind, people with dyslexia, people with learning or processing issues, seniors losing vision, people with spinal cord injuries, people recovering from strokes, and many others for whom the addition of text-to-speech on the Kindle 2 promised for the first time easy, mainstream access to over 270,000 books, magazines, and newspapers. The Reading Rights Coalition, led by the NFB, kicked off a public education campaign on April 7 with an informational protest in front of the Guild’s headquarters in New York City. Next the Coalition participated in the Los Angeles Times Festival of Books, the largest book fair in the world, which took place on the University of California at Los Angeles campus April 25-26. The coalition table in the festival’s exhibit area provided the reading and publishing communities with information about our concerns. We will continue and increase public pressure on the Authors Guild until it reverses its stance. Help us by signing this online petition to allow everyone access to e-books. [] Education Parent gives her young son a cane lesson The NFB Jernigan Institute is holding an innovative Beginnings and Blueprints Early Childhood Conference in collaboration with the National Organization of Parents of Blind Children and various professionals in the early childhood field from across the Mid-Atlantic region. This two-day conference (May 8-9, 2009) will bring together families of blind children and early childhood service providers, teachers, and professionals in order to disseminate the NFB's approach to best practices in early childhood education for blind children. Families of blind and low vision children ages birth to seven who live in the Mid-Atlantic region are encouraged to attend. Families who live outside of the area are also welcome to attend, but should be aware that some of the exhibits and information will be region-specific. Families can choose among a variety of breakout sessions on topics such as early movement, literacy, and active learning. Families will also be able to consult with early childhood professionals. Children are encouraged to attend with their parents as there will be activities with young blind children in mind. To attend please complete and submit the online or print registration form. For more information e-mail Mary Jo Thorpe, Education Programs Specialist, NFB Jernigan Institute; call (410) 659-9314, ext. 2407; or visit the Beginnings and Blueprints page. [] Braille Initiative Photo: Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar It has been just about a month since the historical launch of the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar. Here are some interesting updates: ~ Coins have been selling at a rate of about 144 per hour. ~ At this rate, coins will sell out in 86 days. So what do these numbers mean? If you were to think of each coin's $10 surcharge as representing the difference we have made in the Braille education of one child, we have already changed the lives of more than 100,000 children! Every coin sold truly helps us to end the Braille literacy crisis. (For background information, see The Braille Literacy Crisis in America: Facing the Truth, Reversing the Trend, Empowering the Blind.) To purchase your coin and be a part of the change, please visit the U.S. Mint Web site or call 1-800-USA-Mint. Enjoy the video that premiered at the launch of the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar on March 26, 2009, What Braille Means to Me. For more information about Braille, the 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Siver Dollar, and the NFB's other Braille literacy efforts, please visit Braille.org, join the literacy campaign mailing list, or follow on the social networking site Twitter. [] Straight Talk About Vision Loss The KnfbReader Mobile Photo: KnfbReader Mobile The Straight Talk About Vision Loss team presents Straight Talk About Vision Loss Episode 25. The National Federation of the Blind is the only national distributor of the KnfbReader Mobile and its related products, and our interview is with Michael Hingson, who is leading this effort. In addition to reading documents anywhere, the device can identify U.S. currency, translate from foreign languages, and store and transfer files. The Reader is easy to use­it takes a photo of the print, then character recognition software, in conjunction with high quality text-to-speech, reads the writing aloud. There is financing help available through a low interest loan program. This portable reading device was developed through a joint venture between Kurzweil Technologies and the National Federation of the Blind. [] Product and Access Technology Talk Last Friday, the Access Technology team hosted visitors in the International Braille and Technology Center for the Blind who were in town for the American Society for Engineering Education Spring 2009 Mid-Atlantic Conference. Anne Taylor, NFB Jernigan Institute's Director of Access Technology, also presented to the plenary session of this conference on Saturday on the importance of considering accessibility in the technology design process. The team has added some more updates on the Access Technology Blog from the California State University at Northridge’s annual Technology & Persons with Disabilities Conference: CSUN in Los Angeles Demonstrations PDF Accessibility Wizard Interviews with Serotek and Peter Cantisani Anne Taylor talks to GW Micro, Enabling Technologies, and Nuance Anne Taylor interviewing Gareth Collins from Dolphin Computers at CSUN On the Access Technology tips page, HumanWare contributed a tip on the new update for the Victor Reader Stream: Bookmark Alert. Dolphin Computers also shared some of their EasyConverter Tips! [] From the tenBroek Library Ari Ne'eman address the Symposium Photo: Ari Ne'eman gives Keynote Address The 2009 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium, New Perspectives on Disability Law Advancing the Right to Live in the World, took place in the Jernigan Institute on April 17, 2009. Over ninety people from throughout the United States and Canada attended, and Mr. Hamou Bouakkaz, Technical Advisor to the Mayor of Paris, also participated as part of a United States Department of State sponsored tour of the Jernigan Institute. A total of fifty-seven academic, advocacy, and governmental organizations were represented including Stiehm Law Office; Jacksonville Area Legal Aid, Inc.; Wellesley College; Department of Homeland Security; D.C. Office of Human Rights; Westchester Independent Living Center; and Women Embracing Abilities Now. Kareem Dale, Special Assistant to President Obama for Disability Policy, headed the list of leading national and international advocates and scholars who made presentations at the 2009 symposium. Other presenters included Assistant Attorney General Maura Healey, Commonwealth of Massachusetts; Professor Gerard Quinn, National University of Ireland, Galway; Christine Griffin, United States Equal Employmeent Opportunity Commission; and Samuel Bagenstos, Visiting Professor at UCLA School of Law. Ari Ne'eman, Founding President of the Autistic Self-Advocacy Network, was the luncheon keynote speaker. Go to the Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Web page to hear recordings of the 2009 symposium sessions. [] Independence Market Braille Is Beautiful program Photo: Braille Is Beautiful full set Braille Is Beautiful Kits Available from the NFB Independence Market During this year of celebrating Louis Braille's birth and accomplishments, we have updated the Braille Is Beautiful Program to make it even easier to share the message of the power of Braille with sighted children. This innovative diversity awareness program uses the beauty of Braille to build a bridge of understanding between sighted and blind children. It teaches sighted students how to read and write the Braille alphabet code. As they discover how much fun it is to read and write Braille "bumps," they come to respect and appreciate the way blind children learn, and ultimately accept them as friends and equals in the classroom. The program targets sighted children in grades four through six, but it can be adapted for younger or older youth. It can be used in the classroom and with youth clubs, service organizations, and individual students. No previous experience with Braille or blindness is required to successfully teach the material. The program comes in different kits to fit different budgets and instructional needs. The following kits are now available for ordering from the NFB Independence Market: Teacher’s Guide Economy Kit, Audiovisual Kit, and Curriculum Program Kit. [] Parent Outreach Just out­a special issue of Future Reflections, the quarterly publication for parents and teachers of blind children published by the NFB. According to editor Barbara Cheadle, in "A Celebration of Braille" you'll find: "inspiring stories that celebrate the impact Braille has had in the lives of ordinary people, exciting articles that describe a few of the innovative programs that bring the beauty and versatility of Braille into the lives of both blind and sighted children, informative articles with practical tips and strategies about how to use Braille more effectively, rousing calls-to-action from Braille advocates, and some fun facts about Braille that readers can easily share with family and friends." Take a look and celebrate Braille! [] Spotlight on the Imagination Fund Photo: Kids on blind-built bikes Photo: Kids on blind-built bikes “I got a new bike! And it was built by a blind man.” In this space we usually spotlight the one of the projects conducted by Federation chapters and affiliates around the country with support from the Imagination Fund. The projects that receive funding exemplify our NFB esprit and imagination, help spread our positive message, and increase the possibilities in blind people’s lives. In like spirit, a team building session was held this month in Indianapolis. Several hundred blind entrepreneurs attending business leadership training worked together to assemble dozens of bikes and then gave them to children from the local boys and girls club. Leading the way with his customary energy and enthusiasm was Kevan Worley, the vigorous chairman of our Imagination Fund and president of the sponsoring organization, the National Association of Blind Merchants. Read how the blind gave back to the community through the Build-a-Bike program. The Imagination Fund provides support for the outreach efforts of local Federation chapters and affiliates throughout the United States as well as the research, technology, and education programs and initiatives of the NFB Jernigan Institute. The Imagination Fund was established January 2004 with the Grand Opening of our NFB research and training institute. There's a new way to make change with a dollar The need for NFB Jernigan Institute programs, increased Braille literacy, and exciting affiliate programs has never been greater. Now more than ever, we need the help of every member and your friends. This year the Imagination Fund is introducing the Every Member, Every Friend Match Campaign. Simply pledge a single dollar each day for the months April through July 2009. Your $1 a day commitment plus a friend’s matching $1 a day over the course of only four months will total $240 to support the outreach efforts of local Federation chapters and affiliates throughout the United States and the research, technology, and education programs and initiatives of the NFB Jernigan Institute. Plus we'll give you March for Independence merchandise when your friends or family members match your promise! While March for Independence T-shirts are only available to Marchers if they raise $250, participants in the Every Member, Every Friend Match Campaign will earn a T-shirt for $240 when a friend matches a participant's $1 a day commitment (a $10 discount). And the benefits increase with the matches! Participants who get 3 matches will receive this year’s March for Independence $500 prize (a $20 discount). Those who get 7 matches or more will receive the top prize, the medallion awarded to Marchers who raise $1,000 or more (a $40 discount). Please visit the Every Member, Every Friend page to learn how you can educate your friends and make your promises to help end the Braille literacy crisis today. [] NFB Calendar 2009 Year of Louis Braille's Bicentennial, launch of the first U.S. coin containing readable Braille, and kickoff of the NFB Braille Literacy Campaign. Contact the U.S. Mint to purchase your own Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar. April 4, 2009 Thanks to all of our supporters of The Cane Event: Celebrating Braille Image: Whozit wearing a top hat Readers are Leaders. The event held in Members Hall at NFB headquarters in Baltimore was an overwhelming success, and we're already making plans for next year! This event netted over $100,000 for the Jernigan Institute Braille Literacy Campaign. May 8-9, 2009 Beginnings and Blueprints Early Childhood Conference, open to parents of blind children ages birth to seven. Part of NFB Jernigan Institute's Early Childhood Education initiative. May 10, 2009 Mother's Day! Honor your mom with an NFB e-Card on her special day. She will be very proud that you made a donation to Braille Literacy and the National Federation of the Blind IN HER NAME! All recipients will be listed on the Imagination Fund Web site. Your mom will receive her e-card whenever you specify. SEND e-CARD NOW May 15-17, 2009 Future Directions in Braille Research Seminar at the NFB Jernigan Institute. May 30, 2009 Pre-registration cut-off for NFB 2009 National Convention. When purchased online before May 31st, the pre-registration fee for convention is $15 ($20 on-site) and the cost of a banquet ticket is $35 ($40 on-site). June 15-26, 2009 Braille Enrichment for Literacy and Learning (BELL) program in Wisconsin. July 3-8, 2009 NFB 2009 National Convention, Marriott at the Renaissance Center, Detroit, Michigan. For reservations, write directly to the Detroit Marriott Renaissance Center, 100 Renaissance Center, Detroit, Michigan 48243, or call 1-800-266-9432. Information for sponsors, exhibitors, and other attendees is online. Available throughout May­discounted online pre-registration and banquet ticket sales. July 6, 2009 Motor City March for Independence, A Walk for Opportunity, Detroit, Michigan. Register to participate in the third annual March in Detroit. Hear an audio report on last year's Dallas March. July 13-24, 2009 Braille Enrichment for Literacy and Learning (BELL) program in Georgia. July 26-August 1, 2009 NFB Youth Slam: A STEM Leadership Academy, University of Maryland, College Park. View a video about this exciting event! August 3-15, 2009 Braille Enrichment for Literacy and Learning (BELL) program in Maryland. [] Citation What We Believe We respect that authors have the right to control their content and be paid for their work. Reading a book aloud with text-to-speech technology, however, is not a violation of copyright. The Authors Guild’s threatened removal of text-to-speech from its books and its proposed alternatives­a burdensome registration system or extra charge for people with print disabilities to read their books­constitutes discrimination against people with print disabilities, censorship, and is bad business for authors and publishers. We want to pay for and read books like everybody else. ­Excerpt from statement of the Reading Rights Coalition, comprising over thirty organizations representing the 15 million Americans who cannot read print because of blindness, dyslexia, spinal cord injury, and other print disabilities. If your organization wants to join the Reading Rights Coalition, please use the Contact Us form. View what you can do as an individual to promote equal access to books for people with print disabilities. Take Action Now! Back to Top Thank you for reading the NFB Jernigan Institute's Imagineering Our Future. Mentor Trevor Attenberg leads campers along the nature trail Photo: Group on white water raft Support the Jernigan Institute through the Imagination Fund Photo: Young woman playing flute Interesting links: Archive of Straight Talk about Vision Loss videos National Center for Blind Youth in Science Access Technology Tips Photo: Youth practicing martial art Blogs: Access Technology Voice of the Nation's Blind Photo: Senior couple Publication archives: Voice of the Diabetic Future Reflections Braille Monitor Photo: Mom and son take a moment and a hug Graphic Logo: National Federation of the Blind Visit us at nfb.org Photo: Blind little girl with cane Photo: Blind youth reading Braille book Photo: Blind girl examining model of constellations Photo: Blind boy with tactile globe Blind Teens Carry the 2007 Youth March for Independence Banner Imagine a Future Full of Opportunity [] Jernigan Institute, National Federation of the Blind, 1800 Johnson Street, Baltimore, MD 21230 (410) 659-9314 Fax (410) 659-5129 E-mail JerniganInstitute at nfb.org Visit us at www.nfb.org Better Business Bureau logo American Institute of Philanthropy logo The National Federation of the Blind meets the rigorous Standards for Charity Accountability set forth by the BBB Wise Giving Alliance and is Top-Rated by the American Institute of Philanthropy. Forward this newsletter. If this issue was forwarded to you and you'd like to subscribe, please e-mail JerniganInstitute at nfb.org. From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri May 1 01:24:34 2009 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:24:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: <20090501004541593.MMND12322@hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com> References: <20090501004541593.MMND12322@hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <4383d01d0904301824u6e187561g81e3cd3dddcd7a25@mail.gmail.com> Perhaps this advice can help me get motivated to practice piano again. Because I'm a terrible practicer. Thanks. Beth On 4/30/09, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi. If I need to workon a task continuously, I'll shut the tv > off and turn on quiet music. I won't move unless I absolutely > have to until that task is finished. > Hope and Beignet > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Sarah Jevnikar" >To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > >Date sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:36:15 -0400 >>Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration > >>Hi NABS, >>I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has > passed with >>little work done. I have a million things to do in the next > week, and need >>every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed > on a task >>for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find > something else to >>do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of > things to do >>that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated > to do that >>task, easier for me? >>Thank you very much, >>Sarah > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paul > os%40maine.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Fri May 1 02:11:07 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:11:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise In-Reply-To: <20090501004546233.MMOZ12322@hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com> References: <20090501004546233.MMOZ12322@hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <000301c9ca02$18f00be0$4ad023a0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> These are all good points. Who knows? Life doesn't end when/if you marry or have kids. Maybe you'll find someone who's into travelling too. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise I have to agree with what your Mom says. You could always study abroad in graduate school or like Corbb said, just take a vacation with friends! Make it your graduation present to yourself and take a trip after graduation with your friends. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Corbb O'Connor" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:10:14 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise >If the money is already ready, turn it into a vacation with some >friends! Nothing quite like a senior trip this summer or next winter >break. >Corbb >On Apr 29, 2009, at 3:43 PM, priscilla wrote: >hello, >I really appreciate your advice for the future if I ever decide to go >abroad with a group. >Unfortunately the trip to Europe has been canceled due to the effects >of the economic crisis. >the economic crisis has taken a toll on the school because most of the >study abroad trips are being canceled due to lack of funds. >I was very upset at first when I realized that the trip was canceled >because that was my last chance to study abroad since I will graduate >next year. >when I spoke to mom and gave her the news about the cancelation she >was upset too because she had the money already and had plans, but it >never happened. >this is the second time this happens at the school, why does it have >to be this way. >mom also said "you will get another opportunity to study abroad in the >future or when you settle in with a good job," but I don't think so >because it is not the same as doing it while in college and still young. >this is why I want to start now because then I will outgrow the youth >pretty soon and then its no more fun because what if I ever get >married and have nice kids. >so, I really want to do things now since I am still in the prime years >of youth, meaning in college or grad school because you learn more >easily. >Actually certain areas of your brain don't stop developing until age >25, so that's why I need to take advantage of as much learning >experiences so that when I become older, it wouldn't be as difficult >to retain things at least in my personal opinion. >once you get to a certain age, its hard to keep everything in your >head unless I am wrong. >anyway, I am sad by this unfortunate turn because that's the only >opportunity I have in college once in a lifetime. >"you can't fight against the current, even if you would like to." >thank you all very much. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40 gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paul os%40maine.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri May 1 02:53:10 2009 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:53:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: <2526915016196518136@unknownmsgid> References: <2526915016196518136@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Gosh, I go to Emory University. AKA, The Harvard of the South, and everyone in this place has that problem. I procrastinate like there's no tomorrow. Well, like there's a tomorrow in which I can get all my work done. I joke with my friends that our moto should be, why do today what you can do tomorrow? And this is a universal problem with college students, everyone i know procrastinates. Sometimes, it just takes discipline. What is it that distracts you? If it is like facebook, then just log off the internet. Physically unplug your ethernet cable, or disconnect from your wireless network. Sometimes you just have to be really firm with yourself, and say, this needs to get done right now. But it is really difficult. I'm not sure what helps, since for me, sometimes I just have to do things, and not stop until I finish because I know if I do, I will not get to it right away. Mary On 4/30/09, Sarah Jevnikar wrote: > Hi NABS, > I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has passed with > little work done. I have a million things to do in the next week, and need > every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed on a task > for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find something else to > do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of things to do > that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated to do that > task, easier for me? > Thank you very much, > Sarah > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Fri May 1 03:05:01 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:05:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: References: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <000001c9ca09$9e9633d0$dbc29b70$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Thanks guys - that's great. I just wish those lucky enough to be done exams would move on out of residence so they can party without disturbing the rest of us lol -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela fowler Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:36 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Oh man, that's frustrating. It happens to me all the time too. First, try cutting out all distractions. Go somewhere where you can work by yourself, turn off the phone and close the email. Then pick a task, and don't stop until you're done. That's what works for me anyway. Another thing you can try is taking a half hour away and doing whatever clears your head. Take a brisk walk, meditate, whatever works for you. Just a few random thoughts, hope they help. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:36 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Hi NABS, I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has passed with little work done. I have a million things to do in the next week, and need every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed on a task for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find something else to do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of things to do that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated to do that task, easier for me? Thank you very much, Sarah _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From jsorozco at gmail.com Fri May 1 03:58:17 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:58:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed Message-ID: Dear all, If someone offered your student division $2,000 to carry out a project between September and November, would you take it? The amount is certainly not a fortune, but it's $2,000 more than you have now. It would give you an opportunity to elevate your outreach among the general public, recruit new members and generally put your name out there for people to understand you are serious about the business of changing what it means to be blind. Are you interested? I shared information of this grant my office was offering to youth almost two months ago. I just checked the list of last-minute applicants, and unless I am mistaken, and I hope I am, no one took me up on that post. I genuinely do not understand the apathy among my fellow students. The application was relatively simple. I offered to answer any questions people had of the application. I mean, I work for the grant maker. I should hope I know what we are looking for, and had you taken the time to talk to me, I could have told you that your proposal could have centered around Meet the Blind Month in October, that the Braille coin could have made for an excellent literacy campaign or explored any number of different ways you could have developed a compelling case for why your division deserved the money over another organization. So, there we are. Trying and failing leaves room for improvement. Not trying at all? ... I don't get it. Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4047 (20090430) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From fowlers at syix.com Fri May 1 05:24:54 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:24:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: <000001c9ca09$9e9633d0$dbc29b70$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> References: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> <000001c9ca09$9e9633d0$dbc29b70$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <883B6D9CBF0F4890A7C1B09455F623F6@angelab> Sorry suckers! Lol. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:05 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Thanks guys - that's great. I just wish those lucky enough to be done exams would move on out of residence so they can party without disturbing the rest of us lol -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela fowler Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:36 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Oh man, that's frustrating. It happens to me all the time too. First, try cutting out all distractions. Go somewhere where you can work by yourself, turn off the phone and close the email. Then pick a task, and don't stop until you're done. That's what works for me anyway. Another thing you can try is taking a half hour away and doing whatever clears your head. Take a brisk walk, meditate, whatever works for you. Just a few random thoughts, hope they help. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Jevnikar Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:36 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration Hi NABS, I'm sitting here writing this to you after an entire day has passed with little work done. I have a million things to do in the next week, and need every minute of the time I have, but can't seem to stay focussed on a task for any length of time. My mind wanders too much or I find something else to do, often less urgent, to occupy my time. Any suggestions of things to do that would make focussing on one given task, and being motivated to do that task, easier for me? Thank you very much, Sarah _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Fri May 1 06:18:39 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT Message-ID: <593003.90102.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To sum it up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't even need a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a refreshable paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and make reading more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a technology to achieve a similar effect in Braille. The link is below a blank line. I do this to separate the text from the web page to avoid a possibility of run-on speech with some synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: If we want hard copy Braille in the twenty first century, and don't want to bother with expensive embossers or Braille displays for things like textbooks, I'd say this is the way to do it. I think we should push for this to go into production. Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 1 06:41:59 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:41:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT In-Reply-To: <593003.90102.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <593003.90102.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1697DE9C588E472886C7BC8453B5E935@sarahd0fffdcf6> I do agree there. I can see it beeing used maybe as a multi line brl display, or beeing used by nls patrons to read web braille books. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:19 PM To: NFB Student List Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To sum it up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't even need a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a refreshable paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and make reading more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a technology to achieve a similar effect in Braille. The link is below a blank line. I do this to separate the text from the web page to avoid a possibility of run-on speech with some synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: If we want hard copy Braille in the twenty first century, and don't want to bother with expensive embossers or Braille displays for things like textbooks, I'd say this is the way to do it. I think we should push for this to go into production. Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Fri May 1 06:42:47 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT Continued Message-ID: <897953.73234.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> This is a continuation of the Braille eBook concept email. Please read that if you haven't yet. To continue from that e-mail, I think the NLS could take advantage of this and put all their Web Braille titles up here. Also people nowadays don't want to read Braille because of the expense involved with hard copy Braille and the displays and teachers don't want to take the time to learn Braille - we need to play with this technology - we could use it to create a system where a teacher could have a hard copy test word for word distributed to the student and they could read it exactly as it appears in the print version, hook up a keyboard to it, and answer the questions on the test, save the document, then send it back to the teacher for grading. This could easily be more than an eBook reader. Back in the Blazie days there was a device called the Personal Touch which was a Braille 'n Speak without the speech. This could be the same thing, if need be. It's primary purpose being e-books, but you could attach additional functionality with modules or something. These are just ideas, but this technology is the best thing since sliced bread, in my opinion, and we need to expand it's uses. From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com Fri May 1 12:19:02 2009 From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:19:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What do you have to do to get this grant? I don't think the Virginia student division is very active. I must have missed this email a few months back. I would have liked to have helped out. Is it too late now Joe? Albert > From: jsorozco at gmail.com > To: arizona-students at nfbnet.org; cabs-talk at nfbnet.org; ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org; cabs at nfbnet.org; fabs at nfbnet.org; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; kabs at nfbnet.org; nfbkabs at nfbnet.org; la-students at nfbnet.org; mi-abs at nfbnet.org; mn-abs at nfbnet.org; mabs at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nebraska-students at nfbnet.org; new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org; njabs-talk at nfbnet.org; ncabs at nfbnet.org; oabs at nfbnet.org; nfbofpa at att.net; Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; tabs_students at googlegroups.com; tabs at nfbnet.org; uabs at nfbnet.org; vabs at nfbnet.org > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:58:17 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed > > Dear all, > > If someone offered your student division $2,000 to carry out a project > between September and November, would you take it? The amount is certainly > not a fortune, but it's $2,000 more than you have now. It would give you an > opportunity to elevate your outreach among the general public, recruit new > members and generally put your name out there for people to understand you > are serious about the business of changing what it means to be blind. Are > you interested? > > I shared information of this grant my office was offering to youth almost > two months ago. I just checked the list of last-minute applicants, and > unless I am mistaken, and I hope I am, no one took me up on that post. I > genuinely do not understand the apathy among my fellow students. The > application was relatively simple. I offered to answer any questions people > had of the application. I mean, I work for the grant maker. I should hope > I know what we are looking for, and had you taken the time to talk to me, I > could have told you that your proposal could have centered around Meet the > Blind Month in October, that the Braille coin could have made for an > excellent literacy campaign or explored any number of different ways you > could have developed a compelling case for why your division deserved the > money over another organization. > > So, there we are. Trying and failing leaves room for improvement. Not > trying at all? ... I don't get it. > > Joe Orozco > > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the > crowd."--Max Lucado > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4047 (20090430) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_BR_life_in_synch_052009 From aguimaraes at nbp.org Fri May 1 16:52:02 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:52:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration References: <000001c9c9ec$745e9430$5d1bbc90$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <3EBAB7A1BC3F42F48F2644A1B8EB3A16@nbp2.local> Here is what you can do to avoid distraction: No messenger, facebook, cell phone, and other ways to contact people. No television, or even news. These are things that distract me, and that are best not used, avoided, turned off, or even uninstalled if you need to. Take it from Stephen King, who writes much the same advice in his book On Writing. Oh yeah, no books either, the kind you need not be reading right now. If music helps you relax, and clear your mind, and still work on your stuff, use it. That's all for now. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. From aguimaraes at nbp.org Fri May 1 16:57:21 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:57:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT References: <593003.90102.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D221736D65144A69520BA4169CECB74@nbp2.local> you want to produce a concept? Concepts are developed, built, prototyped, manufactured and sold. Either I missed something, or I really saw just a few paragraphs talking about something i already have, a braille display that can read braille books. Where is the science behind this "wonderful" idea? Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lambert" To: "NFB Student List" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about > availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To > sum it up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't > even need a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a > refreshable paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and > make reading more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a > technology to achieve a similar effect in Braille. The link is below a > blank line. I do this to separate the text from the web page to avoid a > possibility of run-on speech with some synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: > If we want hard copy Braille in the twenty first century, and don't want > to bother with expensive embossers or Braille displays for things like > textbooks, I'd say this is the way to do it. I think we should push for > this to go into production. > > Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Fri May 1 18:00:11 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 11:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] establishing expectations Message-ID: <533278.58752.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello all, First, Sorry about the subject title; I'm not really sure how to classify this question. Here goes: When you meet a new person (either in your personal or proffessional life), and you expect to have multiple encounters/interactions with this person, how do you approach letting this person know what to expect from you? In other words, to compensate for my blindness, I have developed certian behavioral tendancies that may seem odd to the "normal" person (dragging a hand along the wall, and following people (rather than walking next to them). Also, there are the blindness-related accidents (running into someone, running into furniture etc). This may not be an issue for those of you carrying a big white stick, but for those of use who don't, I'm sure society views our behaviors as odd, or worse yet, as drunk. So, my question is, how do you explain these behaviors to a new boss, colleegue, or friend, so that they understand what is going on, and dont become offended, confused, or "weirded out" by your actions? Or do you even bother to explain at all? I generally don't bother to explain these things when I meet new people, but sometimes I wonder how many possible friends I have lost as a result of them not understanding whats going on. Thanks, Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri May 1 18:47:51 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:47:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT References: <593003.90102.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <1697DE9C588E472886C7BC8453B5E935@sarahd0fffdcf6> Message-ID: <001f01c9ca8d$559ad620$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I think it is a good idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT >I do agree there. I can see it beeing used maybe as a multi line brl > display, or beeing used by nls patrons to read web braille books. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Rob Lambert > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:19 PM > To: NFB Student List > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > > Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about > availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To > sum > it up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't even > need > a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a > refreshable > paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and make > reading > more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a technology to > achieve > a similar effect in Braille. The link is below a blank line. I do this to > separate the text from the web page to avoid a possibility of run-on > speech > with some synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: If we want hard copy Braille > in > the twenty first century, and don't want to bother with expensive > embossers > or Braille displays for things like textbooks, I'd say this is the way to > do > it. I think we should push for this to go into production. > > Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Fri May 1 20:14:25 2009 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:14:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: <3EBAB7A1BC3F42F48F2644A1B8EB3A16@nbp2.local> References: <3EBAB7A1BC3F42F48F2644A1B8EB3A16@nbp2.local> Message-ID: Dear Sarah Just take one task at a time. On 5/1/09, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > Here is what you can do to avoid distraction: > > No messenger, facebook, cell phone, and other ways to contact people. > > No television, or even news. > > These are things that distract me, and that are best not used, avoided, > turned off, or even uninstalled if you need to. > > Take it from Stephen King, who writes much the same advice in his book On > Writing. > > Oh yeah, no books either, the kind you need not be reading right now. > > If music helps you relax, and clear your mind, and still work on your stuff, > use it. > > That's all for now. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Fri May 1 20:30:57 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:30:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed Message-ID: <183056.39243.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Joe, This is the first I have heard of your grant. Is it too late to apply? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sat May 2 00:09:59 2009 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:09:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] attention span and concentration In-Reply-To: References: <3EBAB7A1BC3F42F48F2644A1B8EB3A16@nbp2.local> Message-ID: <423e6e460905011709o2acbdb6fidca69fa31d7ca26b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I was listening to a presentation on autism the other day and the lady who was giving the presentation told my class about this thing she uses with her son called a motivaider. Its shaped kind of like a pager and clips onto your belt or slides into your pocket. You could set it for adjustable periods of time like 5 or 30 minutes. I thought this was really coold and like some of you guys, I have a difficult time keeping focused. If yo used something like this and set it to every half hour or hour you could work for an hour and then when it vibrates you have an hour of free time. This way you work until the alarm goes off and then take a break, and then get back to work. It just seemed really cool to me and everyone in my class was taken with the idea. Domonique On 5/1/09, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Sarah > Just take one task at a time. > > > On 5/1/09, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: >> Here is what you can do to avoid distraction: >> >> No messenger, facebook, cell phone, and other ways to contact people. >> >> No television, or even news. >> >> These are things that distract me, and that are best not used, avoided, >> turned off, or even uninstalled if you need to. >> >> Take it from Stephen King, who writes much the same advice in his book On >> Writing. >> >> Oh yeah, no books either, the kind you need not be reading right now. >> >> If music helps you relax, and clear your mind, and still work on your >> stuff, >> use it. >> >> That's all for now. >> >> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 2 00:37:08 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:37:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT Continued In-Reply-To: <897953.73234.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <897953.73234.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't remember the personal touch but I do think it is a good idea, and hopefully it will be able to be intagrated not only for tests but how about those papers the teacher hands out. I can envission a wireless way of comunicating between the teacher and student so the student can read with the class and take notes with his or her slate and styless, or note taker. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:43 PM To: NFB Student List Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT Continued This is a continuation of the Braille eBook concept email. Please read that if you haven't yet. To continue from that e-mail, I think the NLS could take advantage of this and put all their Web Braille titles up here. Also people nowadays don't want to read Braille because of the expense involved with hard copy Braille and the displays and teachers don't want to take the time to learn Braille - we need to play with this technology - we could use it to create a system where a teacher could have a hard copy test word for word distributed to the student and they could read it exactly as it appears in the print version, hook up a keyboard to it, and answer the questions on the test, save the document, then send it back to the teacher for grading. This could easily be more than an eBook reader. Back in the Blazie days there was a device called the Personal Touch which was a Braille 'n Speak without the speech. This could be the same thing, if need be. It's primary purpose being e-books, but you could attach additional functionality with modules or something. These are just ideas, but this technology is the best thing since sliced bread, in my opinion, and we need to expand it's uses. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From Ronza.Othman at dhs.gov Sat May 2 02:15:06 2009 From: Ronza.Othman at dhs.gov (Othman, Ronza) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:15:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities Message-ID: Good afternoon: Given the current situation regarding the H1N1 Flu outbreak, we have compiled for your information a few resources to which you can refer if you have questions or are seeking updated information regarding the H1N1 virus. We encourage you to share this information widely with your partners and stakeholders. Remember to follow these actions suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that can help prevent the spread of germs that cause influenza. Take these steps to protect your health: * Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. * Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective. * Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way. * Try to avoid close contact with sick people. * If you get sick with influenza, CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. Additionally, below please find the CDC’s H1N1 flu web site: * The CDC page containing the latest information about H1N1 Flu, including activities currently underway to deal with the situation, daily updates on affected areas and numbers of cases, and precautions you can take to protect yourself and your family: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/. You may also contact the CDC at 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) English/Spanish TTY: (888) 232-6348, 24 Hours/Ever Day – cdcinfo at cdc.gov. Spanish Acuérdese de seguir las instrucciones sugeridas por los Centros para el Control y la Prevención de Enfermedades (CDC) que pueden prevenir la transmición de gérmenes que causan la influenza. Tome estas medidas para proteger su salud: * Cuando tosa o estornude, cúbrase la nariz y la boca con un pañuelo desechable. Bote a la basura los pañuelos usados. * Lávase las manos amenudo con jabón y agua, especialmente despues de toser o estornudar. Desinfectante para manos a base de alcohol tambien es efectivo. * Evite tocarse los ojos, nariz o boca. Los gérmenes se transmiten de esta manera. * Intente evitar contacto cercano con personas enfermas. * Si se enferma con la influenza, la CDC recomienda que no vaya al trabajo o la escuela y se quede en casa y limite el contacto cercano con personas enfermas. Adicionalmente, aquí se encuentra el sitio web sobre la Influenza H1N1 de la CDC: * La página de la CDC contiene la última infomación sobre la Influenza H1N1, incluyendo actividades que se están llevando a cabo para bregar con la situación, información actualizada sobre areas afectadas y número de casos, y precauciones para protergerse a si mismo y a su familia. http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/espanol/ También puede llamar a la CDC al 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY: (888) 232-6348, 24 horas al día/todos los dias, cdcinfo at cdc.gov. Should you wish to receive information in languages other than Spanish and English in order to disseminate to your Limited English Proficiency stakeholders, please contact me or Rebekah Tosado at (202) 357-8331 or Rebekah.Tosado at dhs.gov. Ronza M. Othman, Esq. Policy Advisor Office for Civil Rights & Civil Liberties U.S. Department of Homeland Security (202) 357-8517 (office) (202) 436-4437 (cell) ronza.othman at dhs.gov www.dhs.gov/civilliberties This message may contain agency deliberative communications, privacy information or other information that may be privileged and exempt from disclosure outside the agency or to the public. Please consult with the Department of Homeland Security, Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and the Office of General Counsel before disclosing any information contained in this email. From blindchildren at verizon.net Sat May 2 02:18:18 2009 From: blindchildren at verizon.net (Carol Castellano) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:18:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Braille Reading & Writing Instructor Message-ID: > >---------- >From: egibson5 at gmu.edu [ mailto:egibson5 at gmu.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:52 AM >To: Korey J Singleton >Subject: Braille Reading & Writing Instructor > >Hi there, Korey! > >We (the VI Consortium faculty and the program itself) are DESPERATE >for a qualified Braille Reading & Writing instructor to either teach >this course this summer or to at least supervise an independent >study. This course has been slated to run during the spring >semesters, but has had to be canceled twice (spring 2008 and spring >2009) for lack of an instructor. I wonder if I might trouble you to >flip through your extensive rolodex and maybe give me a lead or >two? This course is designed to be taught via distance ed. >technolgy/video conferencing, so the instructor doesn't even have to >be local. It's now coming down to student's licenses being in >jeopardy if they don't get this last class in and I'm just at my wit's end. > >I've attached the syllabus here for your reference. Please let me >know if you have any questions. Also, please feel free to forward >this to anyone else you think might be able to offer assistance. I >would be extremely grateful for your help. > >Thanks so much!!! > > > >-- >Emily M. Gibson >Special Education Outreach (SPED Cohort) Program Enrollments & >Support >Severe Disabilities and Visual Impairments Consortia Program Support >TaskStream Administrator for the Special Education Program >Kellar Institute for Human disAbilities >George Mason University >4400 University Drive, MS: 1F2 >Fairfax, VA >22030 >(703) 993-3670 (x40170) >(703) 993-3681 fax > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Syllab_EDSE_616_Braille_R&W.KAF.doc Type: application/msword Size: 3389952 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carol_castellano at verizon.net Sat May 2 02:30:24 2009 From: carol_castellano at verizon.net (Carol Castellano) Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 21:30:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] introduction of new future reflections editor Message-ID: Hello Everyone, It is my pleasure to forward an introduction from the new editor of Future Reflections magazine. Many of you already know Debbie Kent Stein, who has worked on behalf of blind children and their families and been an active Federationist for many years. Here are Debbie's comments: Greetings! I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself to the leaders and members of the National Organization of Parents of Blind Children. As you know, Barbara Cheadle will retire from her position at the National Center in Baltimore on May 1. I have been asked to serve as the next editor of Future Reflections, the magazine Barbara started twenty-six years ago and nurtured since its beginning. I feel honored, excited, and a bit daunted as I contemplate the challenges before me. I hope to maintain the high standard Barbara established, and to help the magazine meet the ever-changing needs of today's parents and teachers of blind children. To tell you a bit about myself, I have been totally blind since birth due to Leber's congenital amaurosis (LCA). I grew up in New Jersey, where I began my education in a resource room and was later fully mainstreamed. I earned a B.A. in English from Oberlin College and a master's degree from Smith College School for Social Work. For four years I worked in community mental health at University Settlement House in New York City. I then moved to the town of San Miguel de Allende in Mexico and embarked on a new career as a writer of books for young readers. My first novel, Belonging, was published by Dial Press in 1978. It draws upon my experiences as a blind student in a regular high school. I have written nearly two dozen young-adult novels, as well as many nonfiction titles, mostly on topics in U.S. history. Since 1983 I have lived in Chicago with my husband, Dick Stein, also a writer of children's books. We have one daughter, Janna, age twenty-five, who is currently teaching and thinking about going to graduate school. For more than twenty years I have been an active Federationist in Illinois and in some national programs as well. I feel that every aspect of the organization's mission are vital, but my greatest passion is for our work with blind children and their families. I have served as NOPBC liaison in Illinois since 1991, advocating at IEP meetings, planning seminars, and providing resources wherever I can. At NFB national conventions I have had the pleasure of meeting and learning from many parents from around the country. As editor of Future Reflections I look forward to widening and deepening my acquaintance with all of you in the NOPBC. I welcome your ideas, questions, and stories. And of course, I welcome your articles and news items for Future Reflections. Please feel free to contact me with your thoughts and suggestions. I believe the magazine should reflect the triumphs and concerns of parents, and should map a course toward the best possible future for today's blind children. From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Sat May 2 09:04:40 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT In-Reply-To: <2D221736D65144A69520BA4169CECB74@nbp2.local> Message-ID: <875669.36617.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I couldn't remember if that link had any info on it, so here's something I did find that talks about how the device works. As far as my idea of the concept being developed or whatever I said in the beginning, my apologies, bad choice of words. I was just so shocked that such a device could exist that I didn't think before I typed. The link is below a blank line. Link: http://www.itechnews.net/?p=21194&akst_action=share-this --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: From: Antonio Guimaraes Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:57 AM you want to produce a concept? Concepts are developed, built, prototyped, manufactured and sold. Either I missed something, or I really saw just a few paragraphs talking about something i already have, a braille display that can read braille books. Where is the science behind this "wonderful" idea? Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lambert" To: "NFB Student List" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To sum it up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't even need a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a refreshable paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and make reading more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a technology to achieve a similar effect in Braille. The link is below a blank line. I do this to separate the text from the web page to avoid a possibility of run-on speech with some synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: If we want hard copy Braille in the twenty first century, and don't want to bother with expensive embossers or Braille displays for things like textbooks, I'd say this is the way to do it. I think we should push for this to go into production. > > Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Sat May 2 09:05:18 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 02:05:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT In-Reply-To: <001f01c9ca8d$559ad620$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <310708.16605.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I would so get this if it ever can be ordered from Amazon or somewhere. --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Rania wrote: From: Rania Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:47 AM I think it is a good idea. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > I do agree there. I can see it beeing used maybe as a multi line brl > display, or beeing used by nls patrons to read web braille books. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Rob Lambert > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:19 PM > To: NFB Student List > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > > Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about > availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To sum > it up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't even need > a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a refreshable > paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and make reading > more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a technology to achieve > a similar effect in Braille. The link is below a blank line. I do this to > separate the text from the web page to avoid a possibility of run-on speech > with some synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: If we want hard copy Braille in > the twenty first century, and don't want to bother with expensive embossers > or Braille displays for things like textbooks, I'd say this is the way to do > it. I think we should push for this to go into production. > > Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sun May 3 05:17:36 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:17:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090503051736.GJ42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> I also do not recall this grant. About two months ago, a couple of states were establishing student divisions (mine included) and wondering how to secure funding for interesting things we'd like to do. I certainly would have taken advantage of such an offer if I'd noticed it. I do not know how we missed it. Joseph On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:58:17PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all, > >If someone offered your student division $2,000 to carry out a project >between September and November, would you take it? The amount is certainly >not a fortune, but it's $2,000 more than you have now. It would give you an >opportunity to elevate your outreach among the general public, recruit new >members and generally put your name out there for people to understand you >are serious about the business of changing what it means to be blind. Are >you interested? > >I shared information of this grant my office was offering to youth almost >two months ago. I just checked the list of last-minute applicants, and >unless I am mistaken, and I hope I am, no one took me up on that post. I >genuinely do not understand the apathy among my fellow students. The >application was relatively simple. I offered to answer any questions people >had of the application. I mean, I work for the grant maker. I should hope >I know what we are looking for, and had you taken the time to talk to me, I >could have told you that your proposal could have centered around Meet the >Blind Month in October, that the Braille coin could have made for an >excellent literacy campaign or explored any number of different ways you >could have developed a compelling case for why your division deserved the >money over another organization. > >So, there we are. Trying and failing leaves room for improvement. Not >trying at all? ... I don't get it. > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4047 (20090430) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Sun May 3 06:29:45 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 01:29:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities References: Message-ID: <67A9DA3E660F491F9D3EEF6B59EE59FE@david6a79a76fb> Good morning, Does drinking excessive amounts of alcohol help your body cleanse itself and ward off the virus?... If so, I'm totally set... foshiznitzel... Best Regards: David Wright Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com Mobile: (512)203-2474 Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Othman, Ronza (by way of David Andrews)" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities Good afternoon: Given the current situation regarding the H1N1 Flu outbreak, we have compiled for your information a few resources to which you can refer if you have questions or are seeking updated information regarding the H1N1 virus. We encourage you to share this information widely with your partners and stakeholders. Remember to follow these actions suggested by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that can help prevent the spread of germs that cause influenza. Take these steps to protect your health: * Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. * Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective. * Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way. * Try to avoid close contact with sick people. * If you get sick with influenza, CDC recommends that you stay home from work or school and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. Additionally, below please find the CDC's H1N1 flu web site: * The CDC page containing the latest information about H1N1 Flu, including activities currently underway to deal with the situation, daily updates on affected areas and numbers of cases, and precautions you can take to protect yourself and your family: http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/. You may also contact the CDC at 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) English/Spanish TTY: (888) 232-6348, 24 Hours/Ever Day - cdcinfo at cdc.gov. Spanish Acuérdese de seguir las instrucciones sugeridas por los Centros para el Control y la Prevención de Enfermedades (CDC) que pueden prevenir la transmición de gérmenes que causan la influenza. Tome estas medidas para proteger su salud: * Cuando tosa o estornude, cúbrase la nariz y la boca con un pañuelo desechable. Bote a la basura los pañuelos usados. * Lávase las manos amenudo con jabón y agua, especialmente despues de toser o estornudar. Desinfectante para manos a base de alcohol tambien es efectivo. * Evite tocarse los ojos, nariz o boca. Los gérmenes se transmiten de esta manera. * Intente evitar contacto cercano con personas enfermas. * Si se enferma con la influenza, la CDC recomienda que no vaya al trabajo o la escuela y se quede en casa y limite el contacto cercano con personas enfermas. Adicionalmente, aquí se encuentra el sitio web sobre la Influenza H1N1 de la CDC: * La página de la CDC contiene la última infomación sobre la Influenza H1N1, incluyendo actividades que se están llevando a cabo para bregar con la situación, información actualizada sobre areas afectadas y número de casos, y precauciones para protergerse a si mismo y a su familia. http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/espanol/ También puede llamar a la CDC al 800-CDC-INFO (800-232-4636) TTY: (888) 232-6348, 24 horas al día/todos los dias, cdcinfo at cdc.gov. Should you wish to receive information in languages other than Spanish and English in order to disseminate to your Limited English Proficiency stakeholders, please contact me or Rebekah Tosado at (202) 357-8331 or Rebekah.Tosado at dhs.gov. Ronza M. Othman, Esq. Policy Advisor Office for Civil Rights & Civil Liberties U.S. Department of Homeland Security (202) 357-8517 (office) (202) 436-4437 (cell) ronza.othman at dhs.gov www.dhs.gov/civilliberties This message may contain agency deliberative communications, privacy information or other information that may be privileged and exempt from disclosure outside the agency or to the public. Please consult with the Department of Homeland Security, Office for Civil Rights and Civil Liberties and the Office of General Counsel before disclosing any information contained in this email. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Sun May 3 17:17:10 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 10:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Getting the most out of working with a job placement specialist Message-ID: <973849.10917.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, Last spring I worked with a placement specialist, and it was an absolute waste of time. All my placement specialist did was shove job announcements down my throat. I may be blind, but I know how to look for job openings. It seems like that placement center may be geared more towards helping people with mental/developmental disabilities rather than physical impairments. I also got the impession that the plascement person was taking advantage of m abilities. In other words, because she knew that I know how to read, wrtie, communicate, and look for jobs, I got the feeling that she may have viewed me as a "free ride"-- a client for whom she did not have to do much. After that experience, I really had no desire to ever deal with those people again, but I let my VR councilor talk me into giving them (and a different placement specialist) a 2nd try. This time I want to go in there and establish very clear expectations as to what I expect from the placement specialist. So I need to know, what is it that a job placement specialist is supposed to do for a blind person? We know how to look for, and apply for jobs, we know how to communicate, and with some basic accomidations, we can do nearly any job. So I once again ask, what is the role of a placement specialist when the client is a blind person (especially a blind person with a fair amount of useable vision)?  What have been your experiences using or working with a job placement specialist? Did the placement specialist do anything for you that you couldnt do yourself? How did you make sure you didnot become a free ride? I'd appreciate any insight, Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From monika_r_r at hotmail.com Sun May 3 17:20:00 2009 From: monika_r_r at hotmail.com (Monika Reinholz) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:20:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, For those who do not know me, My name is Monika Reinholz. I am a 28 year old sighted Colorado member of the NFB. I have recently begun learning to read and write Braille, though I have been learning it slowly since 2005. I am a volunteer at the Colorado Springs Independence Center, assisting the Vision Specialist on Wednesday mornings while also taking her Braille Intruction class. I was hoping someone would know how I could go about obtaining braille books and instruction materials for me to borrow so I can practice what I learn along with learning new Braille. All the lending libraries and similar places I've found have rules on who is eligible for their services, and I am not eligible from what I've read and seen. I would like to eventually get good enough and obtain the materials needed in order to take the classes to become a Braille transcriber. If you could assist me in my educational process in learning Braille, it would be extremely appreciated. Thank you so very much. Sincerely, Monika Reinholz NFB-CO Colorado Springs chapter Board member CABS members From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun May 3 17:29:52 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 13:29:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Braille Reading & Writing Instructor Message-ID: <20090503172952.10385.80304@web2.serotek.com> Hi. What are the qualifications the instructor must have? I don't have licensure of any kind, but I'd be willing to help if I can. I've been reading and writing Braille for as long as I can remember, and I have experience teaching college level classes. Original message: >> ---------- >> From: egibson5 at gmu.edu [ mailto:egibson5 at gmu.edu] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:52 AM >> To: Korey J Singleton >> Subject: Braille Reading & Writing Instructor >> Hi there, Korey! >> We (the VI Consortium faculty and the program itself) are DESPERATE >> for a qualified Braille Reading & Writing instructor to either teach >> this course this summer or to at least supervise an independent >> study. This course has been slated to run during the spring >> semesters, but has had to be canceled twice (spring 2008 and spring >> 2009) for lack of an instructor. I wonder if I might trouble you to >> flip through your extensive rolodex and maybe give me a lead or >> two? This course is designed to be taught via distance ed. >> technolgy/video conferencing, so the instructor doesn't even have to >> be local. It's now coming down to student's licenses being in >> jeopardy if they don't get this last class in and I'm just at my wit's end. >> I've attached the syllabus here for your reference. Please let me >> know if you have any questions. Also, please feel free to forward >> this to anyone else you think might be able to offer assistance. I >> would be extremely grateful for your help. >> Thanks so much!!! >> -- >> Emily M. Gibson >> Special Education Outreach (SPED Cohort) Program Enrollments & >> Support >> Severe Disabilities and Visual Impairments Consortia Program Support >> TaskStream Administrator for the Special Education Program >> Kellar Institute for Human disAbilities >> George Mason University >> 4400 University Drive, MS: 1F2 >> Fairfax, VA >> 22030 >> (703) 993-3670 (x40170) >> (703) 993-3681 fax > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- REspectfully, Jedi Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From sarah at growingstrong.org Sun May 3 18:09:01 2009 From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:09:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities References: <67A9DA3E660F491F9D3EEF6B59EE59FE@david6a79a76fb> Message-ID: I hope you are joking about drinking your question regarding excessive amounts of alcohol. Furthermore, I hope you take this kind of information much more seriously than your post indicates. While there is no need to panic over this, these are generally good tips for preventing the spread of viral illnesses (of which we have many in this country). It is worth taking seriously. Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun May 3 18:41:34 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 13:41:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Kicking Off May The Crazy Chris Way On Tonight's Djd Invasion Message-ID: <2DCF267020504EA2B65D227DC392D7E7@thedjdinvasion> Greetings All! Welcome to the month of May, and with may comes a new Djd Invasion show tonight to get the month started off right!!! The show airs tonight at 6 PM central time on ACB Radio Interactive. Tonight's show will feature some great upbeat oldies pop and country with a cash it or trash it track thrown in! In addition to all this, Crazy Chris will be returning as a co host tonight. He's in rare form tonight folks so look out! And if this isn't enough for you (your greedy if that's the case lol) you can make requests by email/msn messenger at the address request at acbradio.org by aol instant messenger at the address djdrocks or when I'm not playing songs, you can call me and Chris up live on the air by dialing 1-516-874-5071 or by skype at thedjdinvasion This show's gonna be fun, so to listen, save this email, and at 6 PM central time tonight, go to http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/listen.html to be connected with the show! This should be fun, so I hope to see you all there! Best regards, David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion http://www.thedjdinvasion.com From jmassay1 at cox.net Sun May 3 20:31:04 2009 From: jmassay1 at cox.net (JMassay) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 15:31:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Establishing expectations Message-ID: Jim, I have several concerns regarding your message about setting up expectations for people that you might work with or for, or meet in your personal life: 1. In meeting and being with others in a work setting or in a social environment , it is not everyone else's responsibility to adjust to your "oddities" of behavior, nor to move out of your way as you are trailing your hand down the hall. (Which, I do at home, because no one else is around.) 2. Many of us carry and utilize a long white cane, not to identify ourselves to others, but in order to independently travel. Plain and simple. When using the cane, people normally ask me if I need help or how they can interact with me within our environment, whether work or school. 3. Lastly, blindness is normal. When you meet someone, if you feel comfortable with yourself, you don't need to hand them a laundry list of how you need to be viewed or "handled". I would much rather someone know for sure that I'm blind and can confidently travel with my cane rather than look like a drunk or behaviorally inappropriate. It is respectable to be blind. Jeannie Oklahoma From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun May 3 20:47:44 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:47:44 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] establishing expectations In-Reply-To: <533278.58752.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <533278.58752.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim and all, You raise some important questions about how we can interact most appropriately with members of the sighted community. While I don’t have firsthand experience with the amount of usable vision you have, I do have a great deal of experience using a long white cane (the “big white stick” you mention) and I can say with confidence that using a cane, regardless of how much vision you have, will enable your interactions with sighted people to run much more smoothly and gracefully. When you walk with a white cane you can not only move about more confidently (and not have to trail walls, etc.) but it is clear to everyone around you that you are blind, and that for example you might bump into a silent object that is above cane level or that you won’t be able to follow directions given by pointing, etc. The cane does a lot of the talking for you so you don’t have to have a direct conversation about how you want/need to be treated. That said, there still are some things that might have to be explained/taught (like the best way to give directions, not dragging us around by the arm, etc.) but those conversations can be had on an as-needed basis, and aren’t necessary every time we meet someone new. I also think that keeping a relaxed attitude and not worrying too much about what the sighted think of us goes a long way toward establishing true integration. Blindness-related accidents can be embarrassing, but usually don’t give as bad of an impression as we often fear. Remember that sighted people run into things, too, and that under the right circumstances a little mishap can be funny rather than mortifying. On a related note, it’s worth pointing out that we as blind people usually think a lot more about blindness than the sighted people around us do, since we live with it all the time. If we can learn to believe that blindness isn’t a big deal and that it doesn’t fundamentally change our interactions, the sighted people in our lives will get that same message and blindness can become irrelevant in a lot of situations. I recently started going out with a sighted guy for the first time in my life, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised to discover that, other than the fact that we can drive places rather than taking cabs or the bus, my relationship with him really isn’t any different than the relationships I’ve had with blind guys in the past. Obviously this speaks to the fact that he has a positive philosophy about blindness in order to be interested in dating me, but it also indicates that I’ve been able to let it go and not give much thought to blindness in our interactions. Same goes for my colleagues, teachers and students in grad school—as long as I can pull my weight and live up to my responsibilities, blindness plays only a minor role in my interactions with those people as well. I’ll add that I haven’t always felt this integrated in the sighted world and I still regularly have times when I feel like the odd blind outsider. But, learning from other blind people in the NFB and perfecting my use of blindness skills and techniques has definitely enabled me to have these kinds of relationships with sighted folks. By using a long cane routinely, we can get from place to place in a way that draws minimal unwanted attention and that enables us to be as independent as the people around us. Cheers Arielle On 5/2/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Hello all, > > First, Sorry about the subject title; I'm not really sure how to classify > this question. > > Here goes: > When you meet a new person (either in your personal or proffessional life), > and you expect to have multiple encounters/interactions with this person, > how do you approach letting this person know what to expect from you? In > other words, to compensate for my blindness, I have developed certian > behavioral tendancies that may seem odd to the "normal" person (dragging a > hand along the wall, and following people (rather than walking next to > them). Also, there are the blindness-related accidents (running into > someone, running into furniture etc). > > This may not be an issue for those of you carrying a big white stick, but > for those of use who don't, I'm sure society views our behaviors as odd, or > worse yet, as drunk. So, my question is, how do you explain these behaviors > to a new boss, colleegue, or friend, so that they understand what is going > on, and dont become offended, confused, or "weirded out" by your actions? Or > do you even bother to explain at all? > > I generally don't bother to explain these things when I meet new people, but > sometimes I wonder how many possible friends I have lost as a result of them > not understanding whats going on. > > Thanks, > Jim > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jw927 at comcast.net Sun May 3 22:38:54 2009 From: jw927 at comcast.net (Jessica) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:38:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions Message-ID: <9BC4A7311C604EC7938BDB29113D82E4@Jess> Hi everyone. Sorry for this being off-topic, but I would appreciate your help. I need to get a new cell phone because the one I currently have is basically not working too well any more. I have the Owasys 22C from Capital Accessibility with a t-mobile plan. I understand Verizon wireless makes accessible cell phones, but I am not sure what phone to buy. I want a phone that lets you add contacts, has talking caller ID, etc. Please let me know what cell phone would be good for me, thank you very much. From dandrews at visi.com Mon May 4 00:34:20 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 19:34:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Scholarships for Students with Disabilities Message-ID: Google announces scholarships for computer science students with disabilities. Application deadline is June 1, 2009. Learn more by visiting by visiting http://www.limeconnect.com/google.html. From priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com Mon May 4 01:13:17 2009 From: priscilla.mckinley at gmail.com (Priscilla McKinley) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:13:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions In-Reply-To: <9BC4A7311C604EC7938BDB29113D82E4@Jess> References: <9BC4A7311C604EC7938BDB29113D82E4@Jess> Message-ID: <87f3cf960905031813x4558269el45eed46b466d3dd3@mail.gmail.com> Jessica, Perfect timing. I just bought a new cell phone today. After I checked out several phones and after my technology-minded significant other talked to Verizon for an hour, I bought the Samsong Renound. It has all the capabilities you listed, and the keypad is very tactile. I've only played around with it for about half an hour, and I already can make calls and send text messages. The LG NV2 is also accessible and has a mini keyboard, but the number keypad is more difficult to navigate and is on the outside of the phone, which means it should be kept in a case. In addition, the keyboard is so small that I think it would take longer to type in text messages with it than with the number pad, at least for a blind person. Hope that helps. Priscilla On 5/3/09, Jessica wrote: > Hi everyone. Sorry for this being off-topic, but I would appreciate your > help. I need to get a new cell phone because the one I currently have is > basically not working too well any more. I have the Owasys 22C from Capital > Accessibility with a t-mobile plan. I understand Verizon wireless makes > accessible cell phones, but I am not sure what phone to buy. I want a phone > that lets you add contacts, has talking caller ID, etc. Please let me know > what cell phone would be good for me, thank you very much. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/priscilla.mckinley%40gmail.com > From hfurney at bgsu.edu Mon May 4 01:15:21 2009 From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:15:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB22436434E5F0A@MAIL6.bgsu.edu> Have you checked out the Hadley School For The Blind? I think you could take courses through to become more proficient in your braille skills. I hope that helps you out. Hannah Furney Cru NABS OABs NFB NFB- Ohio NFB of Greater Toledo- Board Member At Large ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Monika Reinholz [monika_r_r at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:20 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material Hello all, For those who do not know me, My name is Monika Reinholz. I am a 28 year old sighted Colorado member of the NFB. I have recently begun learning to read and write Braille, though I have been learning it slowly since 2005. I am a volunteer at the Colorado Springs Independence Center, assisting the Vision Specialist on Wednesday mornings while also taking her Braille Intruction class. I was hoping someone would know how I could go about obtaining braille books and instruction materials for me to borrow so I can practice what I learn along with learning new Braille. All the lending libraries and similar places I've found have rules on who is eligible for their services, and I am not eligible from what I've read and seen. I would like to eventually get good enough and obtain the materials needed in order to take the classes to become a Braille transcriber. If you could assist me in my educational process in learning Braille, it would be extremely appreciated. Thank you so very much. Sincerely, Monika Reinholz NFB-CO Colorado Springs chapter Board member CABS members _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hfurney%40bgsu.edu From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon May 4 01:19:46 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 18:19:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities In-Reply-To: <67A9DA3E660F491F9D3EEF6B59EE59FE@david6a79a76fb> References: <67A9DA3E660F491F9D3EEF6B59EE59FE@david6a79a76fb> Message-ID: <20090504011946.GO42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> Dave, It didn't help my university, which has been shut down for four days. It reopens Tuesday, unless there is more hysteria. Joseph On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 01:29:45AM -0500, Dave Wright wrote: > Good morning, > Does drinking excessive amounts of alcohol help your body cleanse itself > and ward off the virus?... If so, I'm totally set... foshiznitzel... > > > Best Regards: > David Wright > Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com > Mobile: (512)203-2474 > Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Othman, Ronza (by way of David > Andrews)" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities > > > > Good afternoon: > > Given the current situation regarding the H1N1 > Flu outbreak, we have compiled for your > information a few resources to which you can > refer if you have questions or are seeking > updated information regarding the H1N1 virus. We > encourage you to share this information widely > with your partners and stakeholders. > > Remember to follow these actions suggested by the > Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) > that can help prevent the spread of germs that > cause influenza. Take these steps to protect your health: > > * Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue > when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. > * Wash your hands often with soap and water, > especially after you cough or sneeze. > Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective. > * Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way. > * Try to avoid close contact with sick people. > * If you get sick with influenza, CDC > recommends that you stay home from work or school > and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. > > Additionally, below please find the CDC's H1N1 flu web site: > > * The CDC page containing the latest > information about H1N1 Flu, including activities > currently underway to deal with the situation, > daily updates on affected areas and numbers of > cases, and precautions you can take to protect > yourself and your family: > http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/. > You may also contact the CDC at 800-CDC-INFO > (800-232-4636) English/Spanish TTY: (888) > 232-6348, 24 Hours/Ever Day - cdcinfo at cdc.gov. > > Spanish > Acuérdese de seguir las instrucciones sugeridas > por los Centros para el Control y la Prevención > de Enfermedades (CDC) que pueden prevenir la > transmición de gérmenes que causan la > influenza. Tome estas medidas para proteger su salud: > > * Cuando tosa o estornude, cúbrase la nariz y > la boca con un pañuelo desechable. Bote a la basura los pañuelos usados. > * Lávase las manos amenudo con jabón y agua, > especialmente despues de toser o estornudar. > Desinfectante para manos a base de alcohol tambien es efectivo. > * Evite tocarse los ojos, nariz o boca. Los > gérmenes se transmiten de esta manera. > * Intente evitar contacto cercano con personas enfermas. > * Si se enferma con la influenza, la CDC > recomienda que no vaya al trabajo o la escuela y > se quede en casa y limite el contacto cercano con personas enfermas. > > > Adicionalmente, aquí se encuentra el sitio web > sobre la Influenza H1N1 de la CDC: > > * La página de la CDC contiene la última > infomación sobre la Influenza H1N1, incluyendo > actividades que se están llevando a cabo para > bregar con la situación, información actualizada > sobre areas afectadas y número de casos, y > precauciones para protergerse a si mismo y a su > familia. > http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/espanol/ > También puede llamar a la CDC al 800-CDC-INFO > (800-232-4636) TTY: (888) 232-6348, 24 horas al > día/todos los dias, cdcinfo at cdc.gov. > > > Should you wish to receive information in > languages other than Spanish and English in order > to disseminate to your Limited English > Proficiency stakeholders, please contact me or > Rebekah Tosado at (202) 357-8331 or > Rebekah.Tosado at dhs.gov. > > > > > Ronza M. Othman, Esq. > Policy Advisor > Office for Civil Rights & Civil Liberties > U.S. Department of Homeland Security > (202) 357-8517 (office) > (202) 436-4437 (cell) > ronza.othman at dhs.gov > www.dhs.gov/civilliberties > This message may contain agency deliberative > communications, privacy information or other > information that may be privileged and exempt > from disclosure outside the agency or to the > public. Please consult with the Department of > Homeland Security, Office for Civil Rights and > Civil Liberties and the Office of General Counsel > before disclosing any information contained in this email. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon May 4 01:37:04 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:37:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material References: Message-ID: <71CFA3DCDD524394B386701B2AE3215A@Ashley> Hi, Awesome you are learning braille being sighted. Check the American Printing house for the blind or American foundation for the blind for buying matterials. I think they have matterials geared toward the sighted learning braille. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Reinholz" To: Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:20 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material > > Hello all, > For those who do not know me, My name is Monika Reinholz. I am a 28 year > old sighted Colorado member of the NFB. I have recently begun learning to > read and write Braille, though I have been learning it slowly since 2005. > I am a volunteer at the Colorado Springs Independence Center, assisting > the Vision Specialist on Wednesday mornings while also taking her Braille > Intruction class. I was hoping someone would know how I could go about > obtaining braille books and instruction materials for me to borrow so I > can practice what I learn along with learning new Braille. All the lending > libraries and similar places I've found have rules on who is eligible for > their services, and I am not eligible from what I've read and seen. I > would like to eventually get good enough and obtain the materials needed > in order to take the classes to become a Braille transcriber. If you could > assist me in my educational process in learning Braille, it would be > extremely appreciated. > Thank you so very much. > Sincerely, > Monika Reinholz > NFB-CO Colorado Springs chapter Board member > CABS members > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4050 (20090503) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From newmanrl at cox.net Mon May 4 02:11:06 2009 From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman) Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 21:11:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NEW THOUGHT PROVOKER #145- Looking Blind Message-ID: NABS RE: Looking Blind Here is the new THOUGHT PROVOKER and it looks at a topic where there has been a long time discussion- "is there a blind look? And if so, is that good or bad?" If you have not read the PROVOKER, it follows. Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info If you wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at- newmanrl at cox.net THOUGHT PROVOKER 145 Looking Blind "Do I look BLIND," the young man wearing dark glasses exploded. "sorry.ah, you.you all looked blind," the pedestrian said, releasing Bob's arm. Without an invitation, she had grabbed Bob as she offered to assist the three friends to cross a busy downtown street. Apology said, she sped off. "Guys, what is this 'you look blind,' thing?" Bob addressed his two friends, Jose (partially blind, a dog guide user) and Jamal (totally blind, a long white cane user). "And I'm sorry guys. I was.ah, shocked. That's never happened to me before. I mean --- I know it is respectable to be blind. And hey, where was this sweeping generalization coming from --- all blind people will need help to cross a simple not too busy street? But for real, when this woman came up to us, put the vice-grip on my arm, thinking we all 'looked blind,' I was just.flabbergasted. Guess I flipped-out, felt I had to prove to her I wasn't blind. I lifted my shades, looked her in the eye, even dangled my car keys in front of her nose and.said what I said. I've just never had that happen before and now I know what you guys mean about how sometimes you are treated." "Bobby boy, my fully sighted friend," answered Jose, his teasing tone stressing the Hispanic accent in his voice. "And ah." pointing first to himself and his dog, then over to Jamal and his cane, "you with your dark sunglasses and no travel tool, I'd say the lady saw three blind men and you were the dude who really needed the help." "Huh," responded the now self-conscious Bob? "Yeah man, that was priceless!" Jamal chimed in. "Didn't your mama ever warn you that you become who you hang with?" Chuckling, his tone slipping deeper into the accented tones of the African American vernacular of the neighborhood of his birth. "With them shades, if we rub a little color onto your lily white skin, next time, she'd be see'n you as a Brother." "Come on you guys, I'm serious," irritation was again showing in Bob's voice. "You can't always tell by just looking!" For a couple of beats the two blind guys said nothing, just staring at their sighted friend. Then Jose spoke first. "Well.you are right and wrong. For example, take Jamal and me. You strip us of our obvious blindness related stuff," jiggling the handle of his dogs harness, "and look at us just standing here, then no. Like even if they come up and look us in the eye, then maybe. Hear what I'm saying? But sometimes, it pays off to be recognized as blind. Before I started using a dog guide, back when I was young and full of foolish pride, I wouldn't be caught dead with a cane. So man, I'd play it cool and fake it. Guess we might as well call a stereo type a stereo type, I tried to look sighted. Then one day I finally had too much. I was out here trying to cross a busy street with my little amount of screwed up sight, couldn't do it and couldn't get anyone to help me. I mean get real, a good Samaritan like that woman would have looked at me and seen this young Hispanic dude with the spiked up do, and she'd be think'n of newscasts about Mex gang-bangers." "Yeah," Jamal added, "Some times it pays to be looking blind. Remember that Mac Donald's commercial I was in? They wanted a blind guy with a cane. I wasn't about to allow them to dress up a sighted guy." "Ya, Ya, YA," jumped back in Jose. "Like let's get real, dude! It's okay or should be to look like what you are. It's not your look that is the problem, it is how the guy doing the looking is thinking that is the problem." An expression which could only be labeled as "inner-examination" came over his face, then he finished with an earlier impulse, "And get'in personal and real. The problem with this cause and reaction thing, also lies within the blind guy, too. So ah, Bobby Boy, we got to work with you on your response to the judgmental public." Robert Leslie Newman Email- newmanrl at cox.net THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Mon May 4 04:54:31 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 00:54:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] establishing expectations Message-ID: <20090504045431.25826.73641@web3.serotek.com> Jim and All: I agree with arielle that using a white cane can offer explanations so we don't have to. I also believe that the use of the long cane can also limit the amount of mortifying accidents we might have For example, dr. Maurer tells of the time when he took a fall into a river while walking a foot bridge he couldn't see. He says that, had he used a white cane, that wouldn't have been an issue. Before I started to use a white cane, I was often confused. I'd run into plastic life-sized clothing models and think they were real people and apologize. Some of us have taken trips down stairs when lighting and contrast conditions don't meet our needs. Many more of us have ran into people just outside our visual range. Using the white cane and mobility skills prevents all of these and allows us to travel more gracefully and confidently. For those of us with vision, the white cane allows us to use our vision more efficiently. Bottom line: the white cane really makes a difference both on a social level and on a practical level. I would disagree with Arielle on only one point. It has been my experience that sighted people react to the cane in a variety of ways except just plain acceptance. In my small town, people are often curious and are sometimes rude about it. Many people part like the red sea when I go walking. I think the fact of less exposure makes a difference. Perhaps sighted people are more accustomed to blind people in towns where there are more of us. For example, blind people are nearly common place in seattle and vancouver where our populations are largest. In towns like these, blind people are less likely to be harassed or picked out of a crowd. small towns like mine see only elderly blind people who don't get out much or who use paratransit. I don't think sighted people inherently accept us or are non-accepting of us. I think a large part of a sighted person's acceptance (white cane or not) is a matter of exposure and common sense on all of our parts. That's just my opinion for what it's worth. Original message: > Hi Jim and all, > You raise some important questions about how we can interact most > appropriately with members of the sighted community. While I don’t > have firsthand experience with the amount of usable vision you have, I > do have a great deal of experience using a long white cane (the “big > white stick” you mention) and I can say with confidence that using a > cane, regardless of how much vision you have, will enable your > interactions with sighted people to run much more smoothly and > gracefully. When you walk with a white cane you can not only move > about more confidently (and not have to trail walls, etc.) but it is > clear to everyone around you that you are blind, and that for example > you might bump into a silent object that is above cane level or that > you won’t be able to follow directions given by pointing, etc. The > cane does a lot of the talking for you so you don’t have to have a > direct conversation about how you want/need to be treated. That said, > there still are some things that might have to be explained/taught > (like the best way to give directions, not dragging us around by the > arm, etc.) but those conversations can be had on an as-needed basis, > and aren’t necessary every time we meet someone new. > I also think that keeping a relaxed attitude and not worrying too much > about what the sighted think of us goes a long way toward establishing > true integration. Blindness-related accidents can be embarrassing, but > usually don’t give as bad of an impression as we often fear. Remember > that sighted people run into things, too, and that under the right > circumstances a little mishap can be funny rather than mortifying. > On a related note, it’s worth pointing out that we as blind people > usually think a lot more about blindness than the sighted people > around us do, since we live with it all the time. If we can learn to > believe that blindness isn’t a big deal and that it doesn’t > fundamentally change our interactions, the sighted people in our lives > will get that same message and blindness can become irrelevant in a > lot of situations. I recently started going out with a sighted guy for > the first time in my life, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised to > discover that, other than the fact that we can drive places rather > than taking cabs or the bus, my relationship with him really isn’t any > different than the relationships I’ve had with blind guys in the past. > Obviously this speaks to the fact that he has a positive philosophy > about blindness in order to be interested in dating me, but it also > indicates that I’ve been able to let it go and not give much thought > to blindness in our interactions. Same goes for my colleagues, > teachers and students in grad school—as long as I can pull my weight > and live up to my responsibilities, blindness plays only a minor role > in my interactions with those people as well. > I’ll add that I haven’t always felt this integrated in the sighted > world and I still regularly have times when I feel like the odd blind > outsider. But, learning from other blind people in the NFB and > perfecting my use of blindness skills and techniques has definitely > enabled me to have these kinds of relationships with sighted folks. By > using a long cane routinely, we can get from place to place in a way > that draws minimal unwanted attention and that enables us to be as > independent as the people around us. > Cheers > Arielle > On 5/2/09, Jim Reed wrote: >> Hello all, >> First, Sorry about the subject title; I'm not really sure how to classify >> this question. >> Here goes: >> When you meet a new person (either in your personal or proffessional life), >> and you expect to have multiple encounters/interactions with this person, >> how do you approach letting this person know what to expect from you? In >> other words, to compensate for my blindness, I have developed certian >> behavioral tendancies that may seem odd to the "normal" person (dragging a >> hand along the wall, and following people (rather than walking next to >> them). Also, there are the blindness-related accidents (running into >> someone, running into furniture etc). >> This may not be an issue for those of you carrying a big white stick, but >> for those of use who don't, I'm sure society views our behaviors as odd, or >> worse yet, as drunk. So, my question is, how do you explain these behaviors >> to a new boss, colleegue, or friend, so that they understand what is going >> on, and dont become offended, confused, or "weirded out" by your actions? Or >> do you even bother to explain at all? >> I generally don't bother to explain these things when I meet new people, but >> sometimes I wonder how many possible friends I have lost as a result of them >> not understanding whats going on. >> Thanks, >> Jim >> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- REspectfully, Jedi Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Mon May 4 05:03:32 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 01:03:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting the most out of working with a job placement specialist Message-ID: <20090504050332.26426.13148@web3.serotek.com> Jim, I have used a placement specialist in the past. Unfortunately, most third party specialists and job developers work with the developmentally disabled and intellectually disabled. Many more of them don't have the appropriate education and attitudes necessary to really do any good for a blind person. The only thing my job specialist did was help me fill out job applications. I first thought to use my job specialist as a go-between to protect me from job discrimination by helping the employer understand that I'm capable. I think that, instead, the job specialist had an adverse and reverse effect: the employer not only thought I was physically disabled, but mentally disabled since it's usually persons with mental disabilities who use job specialists. When the specialist got me a job working as a dishwasher, I was assigned a job coach to work with me. This was procedure at the agency I worked with. Job coaches usually provide supported employment for the intellectually disabled. Obviously, this was an inappropriate service for me, and nothing I said made a difference to them. they had to follow procedure. On top of that, the employer saw the job coach as a seeing eye person until I made it clear that this simply wasn't the case. In short, I would not use a job placement specialist. There isn't anything they can do for you that you can't do for yourself. It is also the rehab counselor's responsibility to help you find and retain employment using a number of strategies such as purchasing adaptive equipment or speaking positively as a reference. The rehab counselor is also supposed to point you toward resources that will make your career search more profitable. If you need help with part of the process such as filling out applications or driving from place to place, it's better to hire someone on your own using assistance from rehab if need be than to use a job placement specialist. That's just my opinion. Original message: > Hello, > Last spring I worked with a placement specialist, and it was an > absolute waste of time. All my placement specialist did was shove job > announcements down my throat. I may be blind, but I know how to look > for job openings. It seems like that placement center may be geared > more towards helping people with mental/developmental disabilities > rather than physical impairments. I also got the impession that the > plascement person was taking advantage of m abilities. In other words, > because she knew that I know how to read, wrtie, communicate, and look > for jobs, I got the feeling that she may have viewed me as a "free > ride"-- a client for whom she did not have to do much. > After that experience, I really had no desire to ever deal with those > people again, but I let my VR councilor talk me into giving them (and a > different placement specialist) a 2nd try. > This time I want to go in there and establish very clear expectations > as to what I expect from the placement specialist. So I need to know, > what is it that a job placement specialist is supposed to do for a > blind person? We know how to look for, and apply for jobs, we know how > to communicate, and with some basic accomidations, we can do nearly any > job. So I once again ask, what is the role of a placement specialist > when the client is a blind person (especially a blind person with a > fair amount of useable vision)? > What have been your experiences using or working with a job placement > specialist? Did the placement specialist do anything for you that you > couldnt do yourself? How did you make sure you didnot become a free ride? > I'd appreciate any insight, > Jim > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- REspectfully, Jedi Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From newmanrl at cox.net Mon May 4 09:38:46 2009 From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 04:38:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting the most out of working with a job placementspecialist In-Reply-To: <973849.10917.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <973849.10917.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <690CFCF0E36748C7A3FF35601132C348@D78R0TG1> I am a VR counselor and one part of my job is as a placement specialist and the most valuable service I can do is the following 3 things- First, through visiting with you and observing, make sure as much as I can in my mind that you are ready and willing to work. Second, make sure you know how to represent yourself and here I am speaking of is can you sell yourself in the interview. And third, most employers have not previously hired a blind person and so I go out and visit with them and not only learn about their company and the type of jobs they have and what kind of worker are they looking for, but I educate them as to how a blind person can do the job. And I say to you --- most employers need the education piece. And sure, some get it --- well somewhere, but most do not go out looking for it, nor is there many opportunities for them to get that special kind of coaching. So the job placement person is the key to "developing" that opportunity. Finally, it all comes down to the interview, to you. (But you the blind guy has to have an open minded interviewer.) (It is Monday morning and that is my take on your question.) Robert Leslie Newman Email- newmanrl at cox.net THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 12:17 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Getting the most out of working with a job placementspecialist Hello, Last spring I worked with a placement specialist, and it was an absolute waste of time. All my placement specialist did was shove job announcements down my throat. I may be blind, but I know how to look for job openings. It seems like that placement center may be geared more towards helping people with mental/developmental disabilities rather than physical impairments. I also got the impession that the plascement person was taking advantage of m abilities. In other words, because she knew that I know how to read, wrtie, communicate, and look for jobs, I got the feeling that she may have viewed me as a "free ride"-- a client for whom she did not have to do much. After that experience, I really had no desire to ever deal with those people again, but I let my VR councilor talk me into giving them (and a different placement specialist) a 2nd try. This time I want to go in there and establish very clear expectations as to what I expect from the placement specialist. So I need to know, what is it that a job placement specialist is supposed to do for a blind person? We know how to look for, and apply for jobs, we know how to communicate, and with some basic accomidations, we can do nearly any job. So I once again ask, what is the role of a placement specialist when the client is a blind person (especially a blind person with a fair amount of useable vision)?  What have been your experiences using or working with a job placement specialist? Did the placement specialist do anything for you that you couldnt do yourself? How did you make sure you didnot become a free ride? I'd appreciate any insight, Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/newmanrl%40cox.net From sarah at growingstrong.org Mon May 4 10:29:38 2009 From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 06:29:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] establishing expectations References: <533278.58752.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4CDD5B517D51432C9A2F2AB1266BD196@TINYLAPTOP> Jim, it sounds like perhaps you need to start carrying "a big white stick" if you are having these kinds of accidents. You mightbe surprised at the freedom it gives you. Also, there are times and places where wall-trailing really is not practical, and you need a skill that will serve you in these times. Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com Mon May 4 12:55:34 2009 From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 05:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for convention roommate Message-ID: <551216.53016.qm@web46416.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello you all!   I am trying to help find roommates for 2 of my male friend that is in the Delaware student division. Here are the following details WE are arriving July 2 - July 9. Both are non smokers and DO NOT have guide dogs. Eddie is 28 years old and is willing to room with someone his age or older. And Anthony is 20 years old and is looking for someone around his age. Both are rookies and have NEVER been to convention. If anyone that would like to room with either of these young men please email me at catherine.1966 at yahoo.com or can call me at 302 384 6879 and I will get them in touch with you. Please let me know which one of the men you would like to room with.   Thanks for your help! Catherine Newman Organizer or Delaware Division NABS From hope.paulos at maine.edu Mon May 4 13:04:09 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:04:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material References: <71CFA3DCDD524394B386701B2AE3215A@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi there. When my parents were learning Braille they spoke with my teacher for the blind/visually impaired. She gave them a book called "just enough to know better". This was a print book but it had lessons/exercises for both grade 1 and grade 2 Braille. It also had things written soely in Braille for practice. I remember I used to steal the book and read all the stories in Braille. Ask the person you're working with and maybe she can get the book for you. Hope this helps! Hope and guide dog, Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material > Hi, > > Awesome you are learning braille being sighted. Check the American > Printing house for the blind or American foundation for the blind for > buying matterials. I think they have matterials geared toward the sighted > learning braille. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Monika Reinholz" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:20 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material > > >> >> Hello all, >> For those who do not know me, My name is Monika Reinholz. I am a 28 year >> old sighted Colorado member of the NFB. I have recently begun learning to >> read and write Braille, though I have been learning it slowly since 2005. >> I am a volunteer at the Colorado Springs Independence Center, assisting >> the Vision Specialist on Wednesday mornings while also taking her Braille >> Intruction class. I was hoping someone would know how I could go about >> obtaining braille books and instruction materials for me to borrow so I >> can practice what I learn along with learning new Braille. All the >> lending libraries and similar places I've found have rules on who is >> eligible for their services, and I am not eligible from what I've read >> and seen. I would like to eventually get good enough and obtain the >> materials needed in order to take the classes to become a Braille >> transcriber. If you could assist me in my educational process in learning >> Braille, it would be extremely appreciated. >> Thank you so very much. >> Sincerely, >> Monika Reinholz >> NFB-CO Colorado Springs chapter Board member >> CABS members >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4050 (20090503) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:11:11 2009 From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:11:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions References: <9BC4A7311C604EC7938BDB29113D82E4@Jess> Message-ID: <9EFBF078CF2B4C159A426AB722E5AED2@YOURWLSQ73WFBI> Hi Jessica, I have a Nokia N75 that works well. It reads everything that is on the phone. The only thing is that it is with ATNT. They have about three or four accessible phones. But, it works really well. I use to have my parents and siblings read all of my messages and things but now they are relieved because I can do it on my own. You should look in to it and see what you think. LaKeisha LaKeisha Holmes Treasurer Cobb County Empowerment Chapter Georgia Association of Blind Students ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica" To: Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:38 PM Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions > Hi everyone. Sorry for this being off-topic, but I would appreciate your > help. I need to get a new cell phone because the one I currently have is > basically not working too well any more. I have the Owasys 22C from > Capital Accessibility with a t-mobile plan. I understand Verizon wireless > makes accessible cell phones, but I am not sure what phone to buy. I want > a phone that lets you add contacts, has talking caller ID, etc. Please let > me know what cell phone would be good for me, thank you very much. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.renee%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:14:15 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:14:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: <20090503051736.GJ42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Joseph, I transmitted the notice to all student lists on Friday, March 13. The message read in part: *I hope a representative from every state student division will submit a proposal for this program. If I look at the final list of applicants and see one of you missing, I'll call you out on it publically for being lazy. If you have questions about the program, call or write to me.* Anyway, the opportunity has come and gone. A good friend of mine pointed out that perhaps student divisions were not ready to prepare and then deliver on a grant proposal, even a watered-down program aimed at youth such as this one. She was not the first person to point this out, which then makes me wonder about the real state of our student division as a whole... Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:18 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed I also do not recall this grant. About two months ago, a couple of states were establishing student divisions (mine included) and wondering how to secure funding for interesting things we'd like to do. I certainly would have taken advantage of such an offer if I'd noticed it. I do not know how we missed it. Joseph On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:58:17PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all, > >If someone offered your student division $2,000 to carry out a project >between September and November, would you take it? The amount is >certainly not a fortune, but it's $2,000 more than you have now. It >would give you an opportunity to elevate your outreach among the >general public, recruit new members and generally put your name out >there for people to understand you are serious about the business of >changing what it means to be blind. Are you interested? > >I shared information of this grant my office was offering to youth >almost two months ago. I just checked the list of last-minute >applicants, and unless I am mistaken, and I hope I am, no one took me >up on that post. I genuinely do not understand the apathy among my >fellow students. The application was relatively simple. I offered to >answer any questions people had of the application. I mean, I work for >the grant maker. I should hope I know what we are looking for, and had >you taken the time to talk to me, I could have told you that your >proposal could have centered around Meet the Blind Month in October, >that the Braille coin could have made for an excellent literacy >campaign or explored any number of different ways you could have >developed a compelling case for why your division deserved the money over another organization. > >So, there we are. Trying and failing leaves room for improvement. Not >trying at all? ... I don't get it. > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4047 (20090430) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph% >40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4049 (20090501) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From aguimaraes at nbp.org Mon May 4 17:02:47 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:02:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material References: <71CFA3DCDD524394B386701B2AE3215A@Ashley> Message-ID: <6E81E253F15E4A35B2424A9FCBBF532D@nbp2.local> Hi there Monica, The book Just Enough to Know Better is sold right out of the room where I sit. We at National Braille Press produce and sell this print and braille book for $15. It comes with a Braille Symbols Charts, a $5 value included with the book. The chart is in large print. To order call 1800 548-7323. I would also be willing to pass along issues of Readers Digest in Braille. One of these is 3 braille volumes, written in grade two contracted braille, and in interpoint, so be warned. You'll be getting all the reading material you are asking for and more. Reply privately, and we can set up for me to send you a few issues personally. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. National Braille Press 1800 548-read, ext 20. aguimaraes at nbp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material > Hi there. When my parents were learning Braille they spoke with my teacher > for the blind/visually impaired. She gave them a book called "just enough > to know better". This was a print book but it had lessons/exercises for > both grade 1 and grade 2 Braille. It also had things written soely in > Braille for practice. I remember I used to steal the book and read all the > stories in Braille. Ask the person you're working with and maybe > she can get the book for you. > Hope this helps! > Hope and guide dog, Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:37 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material > > >> Hi, >> >> Awesome you are learning braille being sighted. Check the American >> Printing house for the blind or American foundation for the blind for >> buying matterials. I think they have matterials geared toward the >> sighted learning braille. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Monika Reinholz" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 1:20 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Looking to Borrow/Obtain Braille Material >> >> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> For those who do not know me, My name is Monika Reinholz. I am a 28 year >>> old sighted Colorado member of the NFB. I have recently begun learning >>> to read and write Braille, though I have been learning it slowly since >>> 2005. I am a volunteer at the Colorado Springs Independence Center, >>> assisting the Vision Specialist on Wednesday mornings while also taking >>> her Braille Intruction class. I was hoping someone would know how I >>> could go about obtaining braille books and instruction materials for me >>> to borrow so I can practice what I learn along with learning new >>> Braille. All the lending libraries and similar places I've found have >>> rules on who is eligible for their services, and I am not eligible from >>> what I've read and seen. I would like to eventually get good enough and >>> obtain the materials needed in order to take the classes to become a >>> Braille transcriber. If you could assist me in my educational process in >>> learning Braille, it would be extremely appreciated. >>> Thank you so very much. >>> Sincerely, >>> Monika Reinholz >>> NFB-CO Colorado Springs chapter Board member >>> CABS members >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4050 (20090503) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Mon May 4 17:31:23 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed Message-ID: <729713.32674.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, It seems as if every day there are more and more people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would have been interested in the grant if only they had known about it.. It seems as if the disappointment (blame) aimed at those who did not participate in the gramt is misdirected. If anything, it seems as if the disappointment should be aimed at the outreach efforts. Furthermore, I recall purring forth an idea to record the national convention employment seminar before the grant deadline closed. On behalf of the MABS, I would have gladly applied for the grant to help cover cost associated with that project. Who was it that failed to mentioon that potential funding was avaliable? Just something to think about Jim PS. I will be calling Mrs. Jernigan later this week to discuss recording the convention employment seminar. Once I talk to her, I will post what I find out. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Mon May 4 18:06:15 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:06:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities In-Reply-To: References: <67A9DA3E660F491F9D3EEF6B59EE59FE@david6a79a76fb> Message-ID: <000701c9cce3$05a71bd0$10f55370$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> All of these precautions are things we should be doing anyway, to prevent such simple things as the common cold or seasonal flue. While I appreciate the seriousness of the matter, we must also think that there are several other pandemics which few in North America are concerning themselves with. Does anyone remember the thousands that died of cholera in Zimbabwe? Consider that 150 children die of diarrhea every 20 minutes. And how many people worldwide suffer from HIV-AIDS? It's in the millions or more. Any human life lost for any reason is a tragedy, but I think we need to put this thing into proper perspective. Imagine how many lives could be saved by just creating proper sanitation systems worldwide, or by giving people access to clean water. Again, I don't want to belittle this near-pandemic, but I think we North Americans would do well to look beyond our borders to help those in greater need than ourselves. Sarah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah J. Blake Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities I hope you are joking about drinking your question regarding excessive amounts of alcohol. Furthermore, I hope you take this kind of information much more seriously than your post indicates. While there is no need to panic over this, these are generally good tips for preventing the spread of viral illnesses (of which we have many in this country). It is worth taking seriously. Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From aguimaraes at nbp.org Mon May 4 18:10:53 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:10:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT References: <875669.36617.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4B65A9C72C1A4A1D9B205027E607AB01@nbp2.local> Is this all that you guys are all gunho about? Due to cost and inefficiency, not many books are available in Braille version. At the same time, translating a ordinary book into braille will double the thickness of the book. Here comes the solution, the Braille E-Book concept designed by Korean designers, Seon-Keun Park, Byung-Min Woo, Sun-Hye Woo and Jin-Sun Park. Designed for visually challenged people, the Braille E-Book utilizes the EAP technology that can dynamically change the surface pattern by way of an electromagnetic signal-simulating braille text. You want simulated braille, not the real thing? How about a Braille sense, note, Pacmate, or other note-taker. That don't work for you? If there is more I am missing, please post it in full, because I am missing the point. Does the thing cost $300 or something for your simulated braille device? Let me know. Curious, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. National Braille Press 1800 548-read, ext 20. aguimaraes at nbp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lambert" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT >I couldn't remember if that link had any info on it, so here's something I >did find that talks about how the device works. As far as my idea of the >concept being developed or whatever I said in the beginning, my apologies, >bad choice of words. I was just so shocked that such a device could exist >that I didn't think before I typed. The link is below a blank line. > > Link: http://www.itechnews.net/?p=21194&akst_action=share-this > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > From: Antonio Guimaraes > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Date: Friday, May 1, 2009, 9:57 AM > > you want to produce a concept? > > Concepts are developed, built, prototyped, manufactured and sold. > > Either I missed something, or I really saw just a few paragraphs talking > about > something i already have, a braille display that can read braille books. > > Where is the science behind this "wonderful" idea? > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Lambert" > > To: "NFB Student List" > Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 2:18 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille e-Book CONCEPT > > >> Note that this is only a CONCEPT! This article tells nothing about > availability, price, or even if it will exist on the production line. To > sum it > up, it's like a Braille version of the Amazon Kindle. You don't even > need a Braille display to use it. Just like the Amazon Kindle uses a > refreshable > paper technology for it's print to reduce the battery life and make > reading > more natural for sighted people, so to does this use a technology to > achieve a > similar effect in Braille. The link is below a blank line. I do this to > separate > the text from the web page to avoid a possibility of run-on speech with > some > synthesizers. Enjoy. A side note: If we want hard copy Braille in the > twenty > first century, and don't want to bother with expensive embossers or > Braille > displays for things like textbooks, I'd say this is the way to do it. I > think we should push for this to go into production. >> >> Link: http://www.yankodesign.com/2009/04/17/braille-e-book/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While there is no need to >panic over this, these are generally good tips for preventing the spread of >viral illnesses (of which we have many in this country). It is worth taking >seriously. > > Sarah J. Blake > Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org > http://www.growingstrong.org > > I'm protected by SpamBrave > http://www.spambrave.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4050 (20090503) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon May 4 18:17:46 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:17:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities References: <67A9DA3E660F491F9D3EEF6B59EE59FE@david6a79a76fb> <20090504011946.GO42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Hi Joeseph, Why is your university closed? How many viral cases? Stay healthy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities > Dave, > > It didn't help my university, which has been shut down for four days. It > reopens Tuesday, unless there is more hysteria. > > Joseph > > > On Sun, May 03, 2009 at 01:29:45AM -0500, Dave Wright wrote: >> Good morning, >> Does drinking excessive amounts of alcohol help your body cleanse itself >> and ward off the virus?... If so, I'm totally set... foshiznitzel... >> >> >> Best Regards: >> David Wright >> Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com >> Mobile: (512)203-2474 >> Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Othman, Ronza (by way of David >> Andrews)" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 9:15 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities >> >> >> >> Good afternoon: >> >> Given the current situation regarding the H1N1 >> Flu outbreak, we have compiled for your >> information a few resources to which you can >> refer if you have questions or are seeking >> updated information regarding the H1N1 virus. We >> encourage you to share this information widely >> with your partners and stakeholders. >> >> Remember to follow these actions suggested by the >> Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) >> that can help prevent the spread of germs that >> cause influenza. Take these steps to protect your health: >> >> * Cover your nose and mouth with a tissue >> when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it. >> * Wash your hands often with soap and water, >> especially after you cough or sneeze. >> Alcohol-based hand cleaners are also effective. >> * Avoid touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way. >> * Try to avoid close contact with sick people. >> * If you get sick with influenza, CDC >> recommends that you stay home from work or school >> and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them. >> >> Additionally, below please find the CDC's H1N1 flu web site: >> >> * The CDC page containing the latest >> information about H1N1 Flu, including activities >> currently underway to deal with the situation, >> daily updates on affected areas and numbers of >> cases, and precautions you can take to protect >> yourself and your family: >> http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/. >> You may also contact the CDC at 800-CDC-INFO >> (800-232-4636) English/Spanish TTY: (888) >> 232-6348, 24 Hours/Ever Day - cdcinfo at cdc.gov. >> >> Spanish >> Acuérdese de seguir las instrucciones sugeridas >> por los Centros para el Control y la Prevención >> de Enfermedades (CDC) que pueden prevenir la >> transmición de gérmenes que causan la >> influenza. Tome estas medidas para proteger su salud: >> >> * Cuando tosa o estornude, cúbrase la nariz y >> la boca con un pañuelo desechable. Bote a la basura los pañuelos usados. >> * Lávase las manos amenudo con jabón y agua, >> especialmente despues de toser o estornudar. >> Desinfectante para manos a base de alcohol tambien es efectivo. >> * Evite tocarse los ojos, nariz o boca. Los >> gérmenes se transmiten de esta manera. >> * Intente evitar contacto cercano con personas enfermas. >> * Si se enferma con la influenza, la CDC >> recomienda que no vaya al trabajo o la escuela y >> se quede en casa y limite el contacto cercano con personas enfermas. >> >> >> Adicionalmente, aquí se encuentra el sitio web >> sobre la Influenza H1N1 de la CDC: >> >> * La página de la CDC contiene la última >> infomación sobre la Influenza H1N1, incluyendo >> actividades que se están llevando a cabo para >> bregar con la situación, información actualizada >> sobre areas afectadas y número de casos, y >> precauciones para protergerse a si mismo y a su >> familia. >> http://www.cdc.gov/swineflu/espanol/ >> También puede llamar a la CDC al 800-CDC-INFO >> (800-232-4636) TTY: (888) 232-6348, 24 horas al >> día/todos los dias, cdcinfo at cdc.gov. >> >> >> Should you wish to receive information in >> languages other than Spanish and English in order >> to disseminate to your Limited English >> Proficiency stakeholders, please contact me or >> Rebekah Tosado at (202) 357-8331 or >> Rebekah.Tosado at dhs.gov. >> >> >> >> >> Ronza M. Othman, Esq. >> Policy Advisor >> Office for Civil Rights & Civil Liberties >> U.S. Department of Homeland Security >> (202) 357-8517 (office) >> (202) 436-4437 (cell) >> ronza.othman at dhs.gov >> www.dhs.gov/civilliberties >> This message may contain agency deliberative >> communications, privacy information or other >> information that may be privileged and exempt >> from disclosure outside the agency or to the >> public. Please consult with the Department of >> Homeland Security, Office for Civil Rights and >> Civil Liberties and the Office of General Counsel >> before disclosing any information contained in this email. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From thisischris89 at gmail.com Mon May 4 18:21:42 2009 From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christopher Kchao) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 14:21:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: <729713.32674.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <729713.32674.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8794679733A040FBB412E5DACB3FFF56@consumer281f9d> Hi, Perhaps the message advertising the grant was one that many people overlooked. In comparison to the many threads lasting several days, I suppose the message regarding the grant sort of got lost among other topics. I believe the message was sent out once, maybe another reminder later on, but there was certainly no nagging/handholding on Joe's part and I personally didn't expect there to be. I know that I received the post myself. However, I am not exactly active in the Ny student division as it doesn't seem to have much presence if it exists at all. In any case, I don't believe that Joe's complaint is exactly misdirected. It was more than likely an oversight on behalf of many. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:31 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed Hello, It seems as if every day there are more and more people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would have been interested in the grant if only they had known about it.. It seems as if the disappointment (blame) aimed at those who did not participate in the gramt is misdirected. If anything, it seems as if the disappointment should be aimed at the outreach efforts. Furthermore, I recall purring forth an idea to record the national convention employment seminar before the grant deadline closed. On behalf of the MABS, I would have gladly applied for the grant to help cover cost associated with that project. Who was it that failed to mentioon that potential funding was avaliable? Just something to think about Jim PS. I will be calling Mrs. Jernigan later this week to discuss recording the convention employment seminar. Once I talk to her, I will post what I find out. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai l.com From fowlers at syix.com Mon May 4 18:45:12 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 11:45:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: <8794679733A040FBB412E5DACB3FFF56@consumer281f9d> References: <729713.32674.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8794679733A040FBB412E5DACB3FFF56@consumer281f9d> Message-ID: <146F912B7E4A453696A274C46E0C0217@angelab> Hello fellow federationists, While the list serves are a great source of information and an excellent networking tool, they are at times an inefficient way of sending out notices. As was stated earlier, many single messages get lost in the hum of in depth conversations which last for days. Also, if people are not necessarily interested in the conversation which is currently taking place on a list, they will quickly delete the messages and may delete other messages without realizing it. I think the web site, or whatever social networking pages we have would be a far better vehicle for disseminating such information as Joe was trying to disseminate. I'm not saying don't put it on the list, by all means do so, but we should also take into account that many will not get the messages and post them elsewhere. Just my thoughts Angela -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Kchao Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 11:22 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed Hi, Perhaps the message advertising the grant was one that many people overlooked. In comparison to the many threads lasting several days, I suppose the message regarding the grant sort of got lost among other topics. I believe the message was sent out once, maybe another reminder later on, but there was certainly no nagging/handholding on Joe's part and I personally didn't expect there to be. I know that I received the post myself. However, I am not exactly active in the Ny student division as it doesn't seem to have much presence if it exists at all. In any case, I don't believe that Joe's complaint is exactly misdirected. It was more than likely an oversight on behalf of many. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:31 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed Hello, It seems as if every day there are more and more people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would have been interested in the grant if only they had known about it.. It seems as if the disappointment (blame) aimed at those who did not participate in the gramt is misdirected. If anything, it seems as if the disappointment should be aimed at the outreach efforts. Furthermore, I recall purring forth an idea to record the national convention employment seminar before the grant deadline closed. On behalf of the MABS, I would have gladly applied for the grant to help cover cost associated with that project. Who was it that failed to mentioon that potential funding was avaliable? Just something to think about Jim PS. I will be calling Mrs. Jernigan later this week to discuss recording the convention employment seminar. Once I talk to her, I will post what I find out. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Mon May 4 19:16:57 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:16:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: <8794679733A040FBB412E5DACB3FFF56@consumer281f9d> References: <729713.32674.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8794679733A040FBB412E5DACB3FFF56@consumer281f9d> Message-ID: <40FC764D124047E99D4809301A2EE4CD@Jessica> Christopher, If you would please contact me off list. I'm interested in getting an NFB State Student chapter going here in New York. I believe I met you in the summer of 2007 when you attended the Pre College Summer Prep program at SUNY Albany. As far as I can glean the Student Division used to be active but it now has been for several years or so now. Put Student Division for NABS in the Subject line. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Kchao" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disappointed > Hi, > Perhaps the message advertising the grant was one that many people > overlooked. In comparison to the many threads lasting several days, I > suppose the message regarding the grant sort of got lost among other > topics. > I believe the message was sent out once, maybe another reminder later on, > but there was certainly no nagging/handholding on Joe's part and I > personally didn't expect there to be. > I know that I received the post myself. However, I am not exactly active > in > the Ny student division as it doesn't seem to have much presence if it > exists at all. > In any case, I don't believe that Joe's complaint is exactly misdirected. > It > was more than likely an oversight on behalf of many. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Jim Reed > Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:31 PM > To: NABS mail list > Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed > > Hello, > It seems as if every day there are more and more people coming out of the > woodwork saying that they would have been interested in the grant if only > they had known about it.. It seems as if the disappointment (blame) aimed > at > those who did not participate in the gramt is misdirected. If anything, it > seems as if the disappointment should be aimed at the outreach efforts. > > Furthermore, I recall purring forth an idea to record the national > convention employment seminar before the grant deadline closed. On behalf > of > the MABS, I would have gladly applied for the grant to help cover cost > associated with that project. Who was it that failed to mentioon that > potential funding was avaliable? > > Just something to think about > Jim > > PS. I will be calling Mrs. Jernigan later this week to discuss recording > the > convention employment seminar. Once I talk to her, I will post what I find > out. > > > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Mon May 4 20:01:22 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:01:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: <729713.32674.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7D5EEA03BC544A55B2BE831EFE5141BF@Rufus> Jim, I posted the information to twenty-three different lists. I neglected to include the information on the web site. Next time I will do so, but the list is a direct means of communicating with people. My job is to create an outreach effort at a national level for the public at large. I felt NABS affiliates were eligible recipients, but I cannot dedicate a special multi-level outreach approach to NABS affiliates on top of my regular course of assignments. Outreach is the job of the student presidents. I mean, people in the general public at large aren't begged to apply for grants. They either apply, or they don't. We're talking about a national competition for free money here. It's been pointed out that perhaps the message was lost in the volume of posts. I think I may concur. If we didn't have thirty posts on swine flu, maybe the important messages can get noticed? Mind you, this is not a defensive response, but I think leaders need to be leaders and keep track of information as it is released. I should not have to create explosive subject lines for my messages to be read. Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:31 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed Hello, It seems as if every day there are more and more people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would have been interested in the grant if only they had known about it.. It seems as if the disappointment (blame) aimed at those who did not participate in the gramt is misdirected. If anything, it seems as if the disappointment should be aimed at the outreach efforts. Furthermore, I recall purring forth an idea to record the national convention employment seminar before the grant deadline closed. On behalf of the MABS, I would have gladly applied for the grant to help cover cost associated with that project. Who was it that failed to mentioon that potential funding was avaliable? Just something to think about Jim PS. I will be calling Mrs. Jernigan later this week to discuss recording the convention employment seminar. Once I talk to her, I will post what I find out. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4052 (20090504) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4052 (20090504) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Mon May 4 20:22:48 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" Message-ID: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Joe, I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: As students we are all still learning. As students, we are all busy.   We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to make a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are not obligated to do anyuthing. As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills needed to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state leadership to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the  requisite skills. So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being lazy if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the grant writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a grant, then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your judgemental comments to yourself. The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and willingness to learn. Respectfully, Jim Reed President, Montana Association of Blind Students "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Mon May 4 21:03:29 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:03:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read, this could be interesting Message-ID: <3F5699C68DBF42E0809A508E69BB8DC5@david6a79a76fb> We encourage all recipients of this message to share this announcement widely with your networks. You are invited to join in a teleseminar co-hosted by the American Foundation for the Blind and the VisionServe Alliance entitled-- Join May 18, 3:00 pm ET call: National Health Policy & Living with Vision Loss--Building a Consensus, Bringing About Change National Health Policy & Living with Vision Loss: Building a Consensus, Bringing About Change Monday, May 18, 2009, 3:00pm - 4:30pm Eastern As the national debate about reform of America's health care system engages in earnest, it is critical that policymakers hear a clear call to shape policy appropriately to account for the rights and unique needs of individuals living with vision loss. A consensus is emerging among consumer and service provider stakeholders in the vision loss community concerning the policies and approaches that must be part of any national health care initiatives to be acted upon, but are you a part of that process? To further develop consensus and craft a coordinated response from our community, you are invited to join moderators Roxann Mayros, President and CEO, VisionServe Alliance, and Mark Richert, Director, Public Policy, American Foundation for the Blind, and others in an interactive discussion concerning the particulars of a health policy agenda to promote in Washington, D.C. and around the country. All who have an interest in vision loss and who would also like to influence the direction of national health policy are welcome to join this free teleseminar, but your RSVP is required. Brief summary presentations and participant discussion will address-- * Reliable use of medication labeling by consumers with vision loss. * Availability and affordability of low vision devices and other vital assistive technologies. * Professional vision rehabilitation services reimbursement under Medicare. * Opportunities to address profound personnel shortages. * Fostering greater accessibility of mainstream health care technologies. * And other critical issues identified by speakers and attendees. To participate, email Barbara LeMoine of the AFB staff (blemoine at afb.net ) by Monday, May 11 with your RSVP and please indicate clearly in your message that you wish to join the May 18th health policy teleseminar. Dial-in instructions for the call and a final agenda will follow. Participants are welcome to join individually or as groups from your home, office or organization. However, if you expect to be joined by others at your location, please indicate the name of the group or organization on whose behalf you are providing an RSVP and a ballpark estimate of the number of participants you expect at your location. Thank you! Best Regards: David Wright Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com Mobile: (512)203-2474 Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:17:40 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632092010905041617n6bf6af14m5899e7f9e2a4347e@mail.gmail.com> Jim, and Joe, First off, I understand how frustrating it can be when you provide someone with an opportunity, and they do not step forward to accept it. I am the president of a small student group in California, not exactly under CABS, but sort of partnered with CABS. We are a branch of the Channel Islands Chapter of the NFB. As the president I am often disappointed when the students I work with do not step up to take on challenges I present them with. It is disappointing when you have expectaions that are not met. We hope for big things, and soemtimes we allow that to control our thinking... Still, I understand that people are busy. As students we have family, homework, some of us have volunteer work, and employment too, others of us have health problems, and other such difficulties. I'm sure that the student devisions did not overlook theis opportunity with the intention of not meeting an expectation. As the secretary of the California student Devision, I can honestly not provide a reason for our division not participating, but I will take the liberty to question it. I do however think that given the chance, each division will explain an understandable reason for not participating. Jim, I do not think that Joe was attemtping to be judgmental. I think that disappoint made his comment a little harsher then necessary, but I do not think it was meant to judge. Thank you. Aziza On 5/4/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Joe, > I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student > divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. > > I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: > > As students we are all still learning. > > As students, we are all busy. > > We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to make a > better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are not > obligated to do anyuthing. > > As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills needed > to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a > learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state leadership to > make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the  requisite skills. > > So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being lazy > if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the grant > writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a grant, > then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your > judgemental comments to yourself. > > The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right > conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and willingness > to learn. > > Respectfully, > Jim Reed > President, Montana Association of Blind Students > > > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:26:59 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:26:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disappointed In-Reply-To: References: <20090503051736.GJ42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20090504232659.GA65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Joe, I can tell you that the state of the Oregon student division is that we're tiny and just getting started. We have a few pockets of students here and there, mostly around the Portland area, and a few isolates elsewhere in the state. Outreach is difficult since we often do not have support from schools and agencies, so we are dividing the task up amongst ourselves and going to expect to do some legwork (and possibly some travel) to compensate. I know discrimination has been a factor at three of the five public universities in the state, and I'm not sure that the people at two of the private universities understand the issues of blindness either. I've found three of our community colleges to be anywhere from unprepared to simply unable to serve the needs of blind students. There is a strong anti-Federation bias in some of the ESDs which provide itinerant teachers of blind students to Oregon's K-12 schools, and parents of blind children are too often encouraged to adopt an entitlement mentality along with the usual hierarchy of sight silliness. We've got our work cut out for us here in Oregon. The state NFB affiliate is not particularly large either for many of the same reasons. Getting students involved and keeping them involved is going to take a lot of creativity. But we have a good, creative group of dedicated students on the ORABS board now, so perhaps we show the "grown-ups" how a few things ought to be done. *grin* Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 11:14:15AM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Joseph, > >I transmitted the notice to all student lists on Friday, March 13. The >message read in part: > >*I hope a representative from every state student division will submit a >proposal for this program. If I look at the final list of applicants and >see one of you missing, I'll call you out on it publically for being lazy. >If you have questions about the program, call or write to me.* > >Anyway, the opportunity has come and gone. A good friend of mine pointed >out that perhaps student divisions were not ready to prepare and then >deliver on a grant proposal, even a watered-down program aimed at youth such >as this one. She was not the first person to point this out, which then >makes me wonder about the real state of our student division as a whole... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon May 4 23:53:24 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:53:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities In-Reply-To: References: <20090504011946.GO42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20090504235324.GB65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Confirmed piggy plague, why else? It's going to reopen tomorrow, unless there's a sudden announcement otherwise. Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 02:17:46PM -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Joeseph, > Why is your university closed? How many viral cases? Stay healthy! From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue May 5 00:30:08 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:30:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jim, I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to the organization. Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for Oregon. Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >Joe, >I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. > >I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: > >As students we are all still learning. > >As students, we are all busy. >  >We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to make a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are not obligated to do anyuthing. > >As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills needed to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state leadership to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the  requisite skills. > >So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being lazy if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the grant writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a grant, then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your judgemental comments to yourself. > >The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and willingness to learn. > >Respectfully, >Jim Reed >President, Montana Association of Blind Students > > > >"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From wolvessarah at hotmail.com Tue May 5 00:41:50 2009 From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:41:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <632092010905041617n6bf6af14m5899e7f9e2a4347e@mail.gmail.com> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905041617n6bf6af14m5899e7f9e2a4347e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm sorry. I have 7 list serves I'm on so I might have missed this grant. Can someone send me info off list if it's still available and tell me about it. Thanks, Sarah Baebler WABS VICE PRESIDENT WADGU VICE PRESIDENT NFBW DANE COUNTY BOARD MEMBER > Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 16:17:40 -0700 > From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" > > Jim, and Joe, > First off, I understand how frustrating it can be when you provide > someone with an opportunity, and they do not step forward to accept > it. I am the president of a small student group in California, not > exactly under CABS, but sort of partnered with CABS. We are a branch > of the Channel Islands Chapter of the NFB. As the president I am often > disappointed when the students I work with do not step up to take on > challenges I present them with. It is disappointing when you have > expectaions that are not met. We hope for big things, and soemtimes we > allow that to control our thinking... > Still, I understand that people are busy. As students we have family, > homework, some of us have volunteer work, and employment too, others > of us have health problems, and other such difficulties. I'm sure that > the student devisions did not overlook theis opportunity with the > intention of not meeting an expectation. As the secretary of the > California student Devision, I can honestly not provide a reason for > our division not participating, but I will take the liberty to > question it. I do however think that given the chance, each division > will explain an understandable reason for not participating. > Jim, I do not think that Joe was attemtping to be judgmental. I think > that disappoint made his comment a little harsher then necessary, but > I do not think it was meant to judge. > Thank you. > Aziza > > On 5/4/09, Jim Reed wrote: > > Joe, > > I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student > > divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. > > > > I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: > > > > As students we are all still learning. > > > > As students, we are all busy. > > > > We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to make a > > better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are not > > obligated to do anyuthing. > > > > As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills needed > > to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a > > learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state leadership to > > make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. > > > > So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being lazy > > if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the grant > > writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a grant, > > then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your > > judgemental comments to yourself. > > > > The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right > > conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and willingness > > to learn. > > > > Respectfully, > > Jim Reed > > President, Montana Association of Blind Students > > > > > > > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue May 5 01:35:35 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:35:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905041617n6bf6af14m5899e7f9e2a4347e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090505013535.GF65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Sarah, It's not available anymore. Lots of us missed it, apparently. Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 07:41:50PM -0500, sarah baebler wrote: > >Hi, >I'm sorry. I have 7 list serves I'm on so I might have missed this grant. Can someone send me info off list if it's still available and tell me about it. >Thanks, >Sarah Baebler >WABS VICE PRESIDENT >WADGU VICE PRESIDENT >NFBW DANE COUNTY BOARD MEMBER From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue May 5 01:36:22 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:36:22 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Hi all, Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don’t feel it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed it. This isn’t anybody’s fault but just something that happens on high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or repost it a few times. I also don’t feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student divisions who knew about the grant but who didn’t follow up on it. This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather than a chance to tear each other down. Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation and drive of their leaders, but as we’ve discussed frequently here and at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being students. There simply aren’t a huge number of blind students in any state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn’t get enough students to make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have helped to bring more students into the event—money is nice, but isn’t everything. That’s not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our student divisions, however. Let’s see Joe’s message as a challenge rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what new projects we’d like to initiate, and make a real commitment to spearhead these projects. It doesn’t have to be anything big, or even anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing members. Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or even if you’d just like one of us to sit in on your next division conference call. Respectfully, Arielle Silverman First Vice-President, NABS On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Jim, > > I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students > divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know > about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all > have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to > the organization. > > Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about > the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know > if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for > Oregon. > > Joseph > > > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>Joe, >>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student >> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. >> >>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >> >>As students we are all still learning. >> >>As students, we are all busy. >> >>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to make >> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are not >> obligated to do anyuthing. >> >>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills needed >> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a >> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state leadership >> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the  requisite skills. >> >>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being lazy >> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the grant >> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a grant, >> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your >> judgemental comments to yourself. >> >>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right >> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and willingness >> to learn. >> >>Respectfully, >>Jim Reed >>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >> >> >> >>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue May 5 02:03:20 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:03:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disney and Coccia Awards In-Reply-To: <20090505013535.GF65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <26536BABA57A460BB333A7A34DE793EF@Rufus> Hello all, We just launched a new grant program, this one by way of Disney. It's for $500, and here again we're looking for projects running between September and November. You can learn about this program and the Coccia Award, aimed at young women social entrepreneurs, by visiting the link below. I will post the information on the web site later this week. I am making the information available to all lists. I am making myself available, again, for any questions about either program. If your student division alone cannot get a project together, talk to your local chapters and/or state affiliates. Young people have to be responsible for carrying out the project, but this does not mean you cannot solicit assistance from others. If you need assistance in preparing the proposal itself, take a look at the grant first then talk to me about what where you need a hand. You've got my e-mail. You may call me at work at: 202-296-2992 X122. I cannot promise to remember to repost this information later, so if you are reading this, make a point to forward it to other people right now. $500 may not seem like much, but the publicity of being a Disney grantee can translate to the type of publicity and credibility necessary to generate funds elsewhere. You may or may not get the grant. You won't know unless you try. Do not let us down twice in a row. www.ysa.org/awards/ Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4052 (20090504) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Tue May 5 02:05:58 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 21:05:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [La-students] Disney and Coccia Awards Message-ID: <6AA97EE91CA140D6ADA51CEC6C26BA1C@david6a79a76fb> Best Regards: David Wright Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com Mobile: (512)203-2474 Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'Arizona Students'" ; "'California Students'" ; "'Colorado Center'" ; "'Colorado Students'" ; "'Florida Students'" ; "'Illinois Students'" ; "'Kansas Students'" ; "'Kentucky Students'" ; "'Louisiana Students'" ; "'Michigan'" ; "'Minnesota Students'" ; "'Missouri'" ; "'National'" ; "'Nebraska'" ; "'New Hampshire Students'" ; "'New Jersey Students'" ; "'North Carolina Students'" ; "'Ohio'" ; "'Pennsylvania'" ; "'Presidents'" ; "'TABS Students'" ; "'Tennessee Students'" ; "'Utah Students'" ; "'Virginia Students'" Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: [La-students] Disney and Coccia Awards > Hello all, > > We just launched a new grant program, this one by way of Disney. It's for > $500, and here again we're looking for projects running between September > and November. You can learn about this program and the Coccia Award, > aimed > at young women social entrepreneurs, by visiting the link below. > > I will post the information on the web site later this week. I am making > the information available to all lists. I am making myself available, > again, for any questions about either program. If your student division > alone cannot get a project together, talk to your local chapters and/or > state affiliates. Young people have to be responsible for carrying out > the > project, but this does not mean you cannot solicit assistance from others. > If you need assistance in preparing the proposal itself, take a look at > the > grant first then talk to me about what where you need a hand. You've got > my > e-mail. You may call me at work at: 202-296-2992 X122. I cannot promise > to > remember to repost this information later, so if you are reading this, > make > a point to forward it to other people right now. > > $500 may not seem like much, but the publicity of being a Disney grantee > can > translate to the type of publicity and credibility necessary to generate > funds elsewhere. > > You may or may not get the grant. You won't know unless you try. Do not > let us down twice in a row. > > www.ysa.org/awards/ > > Joe Orozco > > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the > crowd."--Max Lucado > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 4052 (20090504) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > La-students mailing list > La-students at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/la-students_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > La-students: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/la-students_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Tue May 5 02:29:59 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:29:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities In-Reply-To: <20090504235324.GB65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20090504011946.GO42542@yumi.bluecherry.net> <20090504235324.GB65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <000001c9cd29$6341a710$29c4f530$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Piggy plague ... nice. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] H1N1 Message for Communities Confirmed piggy plague, why else? It's going to reopen tomorrow, unless there's a sudden announcement otherwise. Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 02:17:46PM -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Joeseph, > Why is your university closed? How many viral cases? Stay healthy! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue May 5 05:07:04 2009 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 01:07:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, and as such we should strive to help and support each other rather than argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came out, and some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, or lost information. But that's not what really matters: now we know that vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so instead of making such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a better way of disseminating important announcements, and there already have been suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the last grant for which we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, we will be more aware of what is going on, and take full advantage of it, if it is a reasonable goal for our individual state divisions. so lets work together, and learn to learn from our mistakes, take constructive criticism, and add it all up, so that our individual states become stronger and better organized, thus making our national presence also stronger. Mary On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don’t feel > it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and > forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out > on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed > it. This isn’t anybody’s fault but just something that happens on > high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page > within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or > repost it a few times. > > I also don’t feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student > divisions who knew about the grant but who didn’t follow up on it. > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather > than a chance to tear each other down. > > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation > and drive of their leaders, but as we’ve discussed frequently here and > at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or > struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of > this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being > students. There simply aren’t a huge number of blind students in any > state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at > times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions > to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and > being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was > president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a > camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn’t get enough students to > make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the > logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have > helped to bring more students into the event—money is nice, but isn’t > everything. > > That’s not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our > student divisions, however. Let’s see Joe’s message as a challenge > rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what > new projects we’d like to initiate, and make a real commitment to > spearhead these projects. It doesn’t have to be anything big, or even > anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get > more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing > members. > > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and > guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or > even if you’d just like one of us to sit in on your next division > conference call. > > Respectfully, > Arielle Silverman > First Vice-President, NABS > > > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> Jim, >> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students >> divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know >> about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all >> have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to >> the organization. >> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about >> the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know >> if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for >> Oregon. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>>Joe, >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student >>> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. >>> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >>> >>>As students we are all still learning. >>> >>>As students, we are all busy. >>> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to make >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are not >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >>> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills needed >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a >>> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state leadership >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the  requisite skills. >>> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being >>> lazy >>> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the >>> grant >>> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a grant, >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your >>> judgemental comments to yourself. >>> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right >>> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and >>> willingness >>> to learn. >>> >>>Respectfully, >>>Jim Reed >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue May 5 05:07:43 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 01:07:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4AA29CB920A74CEDBCC20D365A08342A@Rufus> Hello all, Grants are mistakenly seen as just free money to sponsor an activity. People overlook the value grants provide to help groups organize themselves to make the activity work. There are many benefits to learning how to clearly define your mission, how to explain your community need, to spell out how your group is making an impact... Grants, if nothing else, help people learn about drafting and managing a budget. In general, there is no greater exercise in teamwork than in the preparation of putting together a proposal. For my office I will say we are far more interested in your complete story than we are in the perfection of your proposal. I do not at all buy the argument that some divisions are too young to apply for grants. Divisions are formed because the affiliate felt there was a sufficient number of people and a sufficient need to allow the student division to be established. If neither factor is present, it is okay to have a group of students minus the formality of a student division. There are plenty of benefits to an informal group, but at the point a division is formed, the students are saying they want to be taken seriously as an organization. As such they should be treated like an organization. To expect anything less is to say we are okay with forming divisions for the sake of forming divisions. People are quick to be fascinated with the notion of becoming president of this or treasurer of that but are not very amused when the pressures of these positions come to bear. Yes, even fully developed divisions face their own troubles with recruitment and retention. I would never claim the work is easy, but the greatest obstacle you have to overcome is taking the first step. If you need help, ask for help. If you don't get the answers you want, keep raising hell. Pick up a phone. Don't give up if your e-mail is not answered. You know there's a NABS board. They keep talking about regional representatives. Make them work. That's why they ran for their positions, to be put to work for your benefit. I completely respect Oregon, because Joseph Carter understands where his weaknesses lie and is carrying out a plan to address those weaknesses. I don't hear Joseph bitching about how things are just so hard. Students from California and Michigan have written me off list asking how they might be better prepared for the next opportunity. They weren't somewhat offended by my tone. They took their rebuke and are using the opportunity to do something to improve their status. They and others understand there are enough examples of the good things that can happen in state divisions when students decide to quit whining and start acting. The founders of Invisible Children were nothing more than a few guys with a camera, and now they lead one of the most influential grassroots organizations benefiting children who are on a completely different continent, and they were students when they began their venture. Don't give me this nonsense that as students we're too busy to do anything of substance. Here's the interesting point I have not seen anyone mention. I have told you I was disappointed in you for not applying for one of our grants. I told you in my most recent opportunity announcement that I did not want you to let me down a second time, but consider this thought: Who am I to tell you to do anything? What if you were so confident in your ability to do great things that you could write to me publicly and say, "Screw you. I don't need your stupid grant to kick ass!" Think about it... Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4052 (20090504) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From cassonw at gmail.com Tue May 5 05:48:22 2009 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 22:48:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com> Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private list like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it easier for things like this to be sent to the people who really want to see it. Bill VP Oregon Association of Blind Students 503-768-8982 cassonw at gmail.com On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, and > as such we should strive to help and support each other rather than > argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came out, and > some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, or lost > information. But that's not what really matters: now we know that > vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so instead of making > such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a better way of > disseminating important announcements, and there already have been > suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the last grant for which > we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, we will be more aware > of what is going on, and take full advantage of it, if it is a > reasonable goal for our individual state divisions. so lets work > together, and learn to learn from our mistakes, take constructive > criticism, and add it all up, so that our individual states become > stronger and better organized, thus making our national presence also > stronger. > Mary > > On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don’t feel > > it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and > > forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out > > on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed > > it. This isn’t anybody’s fault but just something that happens on > > high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page > > within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or > > repost it a few times. > > > > I also don’t feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student > > divisions who knew about the grant but who didn’t follow up on it. > > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather > > than a chance to tear each other down. > > > > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation > > and drive of their leaders, but as we’ve discussed frequently here and > > at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or > > struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of > > this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being > > students. There simply aren’t a huge number of blind students in any > > state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at > > times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions > > to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they > > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and > > being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was > > president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a > > camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn’t get enough students to > > make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the > > logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have > > helped to bring more students into the event—money is nice, but isn’t > > everything. > > > > That’s not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our > > student divisions, however. Let’s see Joe’s message as a challenge > > rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what > > new projects we’d like to initiate, and make a real commitment to > > spearhead these projects. It doesn’t have to be anything big, or even > > anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get > > more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing > > members. > > > > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and > > guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or > > even if you’d just like one of us to sit in on your next division > > conference call. > > > > Respectfully, > > Arielle Silverman > > First Vice-President, NABS > > > > > > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > >> Jim, > >> > >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students > >> divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know > >> about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all > >> have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to > >> the organization. > >> > >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about > >> the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know > >> if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for > >> Oregon. > >> > >> Joseph > >> > >> > >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: > >>>Joe, > >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student > >>> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. > >>> > >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: > >>> > >>>As students we are all still learning. > >>> > >>>As students, we are all busy. > >>> > >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to > make > >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are > not > >>> obligated to do anyuthing. > >>> > >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills > needed > >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a > >>> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state > leadership > >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. > >>> > >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being > >>> lazy > >>> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the > >>> grant > >>> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a > grant, > >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your > >>> judgemental comments to yourself. > >>> > >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right > >>> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and > >>> willingness > >>> to learn. > >>> > >>>Respectfully, > >>>Jim Reed > >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com > From mike at mello.com Tue May 5 06:09:03 2009 From: mike at mello.com (Mike Mello) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 23:09:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <4AA29CB920A74CEDBCC20D365A08342A@Rufus> Message-ID: <20090505060907.1F2AE1A8220A@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com> Well put Joe, Thank you for taking the time to post informational data to the list. -Mike Mello Seattle Wa On Tue, 5 May 2009 01:07:43 -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Hello all, >Grants are mistakenly seen as just free money to sponsor an activity. >People overlook the value grants provide to help groups organize themselves >to make the activity work. There are many benefits to learning how to >clearly define your mission, how to explain your community need, to spell >out how your group is making an impact... Grants, if nothing else, help >people learn about drafting and managing a budget. In general, there is no >greater exercise in teamwork than in the preparation of putting together a >proposal. For my office I will say we are far more interested in your >complete story than we are in the perfection of your proposal. >I do not at all buy the argument that some divisions are too young to apply >for grants. Divisions are formed because the affiliate felt there was a >sufficient number of people and a sufficient need to allow the student >division to be established. If neither factor is present, it is okay to >have a group of students minus the formality of a student division. There >are plenty of benefits to an informal group, but at the point a division is >formed, the students are saying they want to be taken seriously as an >organization. As such they should be treated like an organization. To >expect anything less is to say we are okay with forming divisions for the >sake of forming divisions. People are quick to be fascinated with the >notion of becoming president of this or treasurer of that but are not very >amused when the pressures of these positions come to bear. >Yes, even fully developed divisions face their own troubles with recruitment >and retention. I would never claim the work is easy, but the greatest >obstacle you have to overcome is taking the first step. If you need help, >ask for help. If you don't get the answers you want, keep raising hell. >Pick up a phone. Don't give up if your e-mail is not answered. You know >there's a NABS board. They keep talking about regional representatives. >Make them work. That's why they ran for their positions, to be put to work >for your benefit. >I completely respect Oregon, because Joseph Carter understands where his >weaknesses lie and is carrying out a plan to address those weaknesses. I >don't hear Joseph bitching about how things are just so hard. Students from >California and Michigan have written me off list asking how they might be >better prepared for the next opportunity. They weren't somewhat offended by >my tone. They took their rebuke and are using the opportunity to do >something to improve their status. They and others understand there are >enough examples of the good things that can happen in state divisions when >students decide to quit whining and start acting. The founders of >Invisible Children were nothing more than a few guys with a camera, and now >they lead one of the most influential grassroots organizations benefiting >children who are on a completely different continent, and they were students >when they began their venture. Don't give me this nonsense that as students >we're too busy to do anything of substance. >Here's the interesting point I have not seen anyone mention. I have told >you I was disappointed in you for not applying for one of our grants. I >told you in my most recent opportunity announcement that I did not want you >to let me down a second time, but consider this thought: Who am I to tell >you to do anything? What if you were so confident in your ability to do >great things that you could write to me publicly and say, "Screw you. I >don't need your stupid grant to kick ass!" >Think about it... >Joe Orozco >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4052 (20090504) __________ >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >http://www.eset.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mike%40mello.com Michael J. Mello mike at mello.com (208) 301-0565 From lawnmower84 at hotmail.com Tue May 5 07:45:46 2009 From: lawnmower84 at hotmail.com (Jacob Struiksma) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 00:45:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions In-Reply-To: <87f3cf960905031813x4558269el45eed46b466d3dd3@mail.gmail.com> References: <9BC4A7311C604EC7938BDB29113D82E4@Jess> <87f3cf960905031813x4558269el45eed46b466d3dd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Could you tell us more about this phone Samsung Renound? Is this phone smart phone running windows mobile 6.1? What is the specks of this phone? Thanks Jacob Struiksma -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions Jessica, Perfect timing. I just bought a new cell phone today. After I checked out several phones and after my technology-minded significant other talked to Verizon for an hour, I bought the Samsong Renound. It has all the capabilities you listed, and the keypad is very tactile. I've only played around with it for about half an hour, and I already can make calls and send text messages. The LG NV2 is also accessible and has a mini keyboard, but the number keypad is more difficult to navigate and is on the outside of the phone, which means it should be kept in a case. In addition, the keyboard is so small that I think it would take longer to type in text messages with it than with the number pad, at least for a blind person. Hope that helps. Priscilla On 5/3/09, Jessica wrote: > Hi everyone. Sorry for this being off-topic, but I would appreciate > your help. I need to get a new cell phone because the one I currently > have is basically not working too well any more. I have the Owasys 22C > from Capital Accessibility with a t-mobile plan. I understand Verizon > wireless makes accessible cell phones, but I am not sure what phone to > buy. I want a phone that lets you add contacts, has talking caller ID, > etc. Please let me know what cell phone would be good for me, thank you very much. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/priscilla.mcki > nley%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lawnmower84%40hotmai l.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue May 5 15:14:17 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:14:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graduation ceremony References: <3DCA4044D7D349A5B4B18887E4240133@Ashley> <009e01c9c39d$b9851c00$0301a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: Hi Serena, Was your guide someone from university staff? My dss person also brought up seating although it was as a question and I did not feel forced to comply. She asked me if I wanted to sit in the section reserved for people with disabilities. I'd be closer to the stage then. Of course I said I'd rather sit with the rest of the graduating class. I think I'll have a guide from the university. Its going to be stressful enough walking in front of thousands and in front of the president of the university. If I had an opportunity to practice walking, I wouldn't need one. But I don't. This is an unfamiliar stage and place. Were you able to walk single file with the rest of the graduates to the stage or were you guided there too? Can you believe my family put pressure on me to let my brother whose a graduate of the school assist me during the ceremony? I'd much rather have a guide because walking with a family member just isn't right. I think it would look like I'm being taken care of. I'm not the greatest traveler as I don't have a good sense of direction, but I have used a cane since childhood and have improved my skills. I hope my family doesn't see me as so helpless that I need one of them to help me during an important ceremony. Ashley From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue May 5 16:55:17 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:55:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] poetry contest for NY state students, grades 9-12 Message-ID: <7BD74C7041EA4CC6A6E2C042A31B911D@Rufus> N HONOR OF OUR ELDERS . . . . A poetry contest for New York State high school students sponsored by the Linden Center for Creativity and Aging at the Ithaca College Gerontology Institute New York State students in grades 9-12 are invited to submit up to three poems each on the theme "In Honor of Our Elders": works which celebrate family members, friends or role models who have reached the age of 60 or beyond. Poems may be any length, and must be submitted in a single Word document online using the form form at the bottom of this Web page. Deadline for entries is midnight, June 15, 2009. Winners will be chosen by a panel of judges affiliated with Ithaca College and will be invited to read their poems at the Gerontology Institute's reception on campus as part of the Finger Lakes Literary Festival to be held in Ithaca during October First Prize: $300 Second Prize: $200 Third Prize: $100 Two Honorable Mentions: $50 each For more information contact Ithaca College Professorin Writing, Katharyn Howd Machan at (replace (at) with @) Recent Activity * 22 New Members Visit Your Group Sell Online Start selling with our award-winning e-commerce tools. New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Yahoo! Groups Everyday Wellness Zone Check out featured healthy living groups. . __,_._,___ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4052 (20090504) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 5 19:19:36 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 12:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Tourism Stratagies? Message-ID: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello all, Now that finals are done, I am begining to once again get the itch to travel. This time, I think I want to head to California's national parks and national seashores. And as usual, my broke college friends can't afford to go (I'd be broke to if it was not for VR paying my tution, and SSDI paying monthly benifits). Also, I am not a fan of the whole guided tour scene. Other than driving myself, what options exist for a blind traveler wishing to get to inaccessable places such as Yosemite National Park? What stratagies have worked for you? What resources exist? A few months ago, I emailed this same question to the president of the NFB's Tourism Group (Division?), and I never recieved an answer. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Jim P.S. I am looking for people to go on this adventure with me. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:30:49 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:30:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 1 Message-ID: Dear all: Over the past week there has been discussion about the state of the student division. The discussion came about as a result of my urging divisions to apply for grants offered by way of my employer through its partnership with several corporations. In some cases I understand divisions did not apply on account of there not being sufficient time or training or people to design a program worthy of funding. In short, I am told student divisions are simply not ready for this level of operation. , another recent development has been the growing rumors that I am planning to seek the presidency of the national student division. The rumors were true. I did spend several months carefully weighing the pros and cons of running for the office. In the end the cons took it, and I have ultimately decided to serve you in a different capacity away from the board. That said, I will now share the plan I developed had I chosen to run for election. I offer the plan I would have exercised in my hypothetical presidency in hopes that you will take what you like from my ideas and use them to expand your own divisions. This installment of my plan focuses on the NABS board, but there is almost nothing here that cannot be applicable at the state level. The plan that follows is a practical one. I have no use for idealistic nonsense that does not give concrete ideas on how to make a division grow, but because it is a practical plan, it is also a plan that lends itself to criticism. This is the sort of plan that meets my leadership style, and so you will need to adjust the plan to serve you in your own leadership capacity. And, I fully expect you to publicly challenge those ideas you think ridiculous. This is, after all, mostly an exercise in development strategy, and no great nonprofit successfully evolves according to the notions of one single individual. Finally, my purpose in sharing this plan with you is to motivate you to aim higher. I expect there to be dialogue. At the end of my eight years with the student division I do not want to leave it with the sense that nothing at all has changed since the first day I came into the ranks. If you’re okay with these expectations, please continue reading. Otherwise, spare yourself the torture of a long-winded post and move on to more interesting reading. It was not fair of me to yell at you for not meeting my high standards without providing you a means to get the job done, and so I will try to make the reading for those of you who do follow this series of posts as beneficial as possible. Let’s begin with the structure of the national board. Each position from the president down to the fourth board member needs to have associated tasks to give people an idea of the position they are running for. Otherwise, people run for positions with only the slate to tell them where they belong. People who are not on the slate are then left to randomly run against people with no real concept of what the position involves. Again, bear in mind that this is true of any state student division board. In my hypothetical national board I would divide the eight board members into two halves. My first vice president would be in charge of strategic initiatives. Under this vice president of strategic initiatives would be the treasurer, first board member and second board member, only the title of these last two would be Director of Online Strategies and Director of Outreach. The other half would be made up of the second vice president, who would be the vice president of membership development. He or she would oversee the secretary, third board member and fourth board member. These last positions would be my Director of Advocacy and Director of Education. The purpose for giving the positions new titles is twofold. First, it helps keep the elected members focused on their responsibilities. No matter what happens in the two years of the term, no matter the activity, they will know the scope of their duty, and the general membership will know exactly who to contact with their specific questions. Second, it looks really good on the resume. Ultimately I want my board members to use their positions as a tool to learn new skills and then use those skills to impress potential employers. The National Association of Blind Students may not sound like much to people outside the NFB, but the title of vice president of strategic initiatives gives one pause. It makes one wonder just what it is you did in that position and what qualified you to hold it. There is no need for constitutional amendments unless the board is interested in solidifying the roles in the exact positions I’ve listed them in. I would recommend you maintain a certain flexibility by not committing yourself to the constitution. Now, I know I must have lost some of you in the layout of the positions, so let’s briefly examine both sides of this hypothetical board. The vice president of strategic initiatives would oversee the outreach operations of the division. It would be their responsibility to research, identify and engage new members, partners and potential sources of funding. He or she would work with the other three members of the team to create a compelling image of the organization and sell that image to our audiences. What they do specifically would depend on the arrangement agreed to by the team, but integral to this position would be the composition of grant proposals, letters of inquiry, brochures, press releases, public service announcements, etc. The following job descriptions are by no means exhaustive, but they provide a glimpse of what their tasks might look like. Proposed Duties of the Treasurer: * Co-manage registration table at all special events with the secretary to facilitate the collection of registration fees * Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain a user-friendly online payment collection system * Oversee hard fundraising projects including, but not limited to: auctions, door prizes, candy sells, Monte Carlo Night * Maintain bank statements and easily produce balances by program upon request to the board and to the membership at large Proposed Duties of the Director of Online Strategies: * Maintain NABSLink * Create and cultivate social networking presences that sync up with the main web site * Use these combined resources to work with the Director of Outreach on highlighting current and prospective partners and/or funding sources Proposed Duties of the Director of Outreach: * Create and maintain database of DSS coordinators, key legislative staff, corporations, foundations, community-based nonprofits and media outlets * Create templates to actively communicate with all of the above as necessary * Use database and other sources like Idealist to recruit volunteers for certain specialties i.e. web development * Promote upcoming events, initiatives, etc. * Facilitate communication between NABS and other NFB divisions, including but not limited to: Sports and Recreation and National Organization of Parents of Blind Children On the other side we would have membership development. This vice president would work with his or her three colleagues to take the members, partners and sponsors discovered by the strategic initiatives team and incorporate them into the fold of the division. What Strategic Initiatives finds is the job of membership development to keep. Again, the specific tasks of this vice president would depend on the dynamics of the team. It is my opinion that vice presidents should maintain a measure of flexibility to oversee his or her team and work with the president on special projects, but among other duties the vice president would oversee the development of seminar agendas, event logistics, mentorship initiatives, newsletter publication and resource development. Proposed Duties for the Secretary: * Co-manage registration table at special events with the treasurer to facilitate the collection of guest contact information * Oversee the production of Braille agendas for distribution at special events * Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain an online registration system, preferably tied to payment process * Coordinate the assignment and travel schedule of student representatives to state conventions * Provide final editorial review of all outbound communication, including online and off-line communication * Record board meeting minutes and make these available to the general membership via NABSLink * Maintain membership database Proposed Duties of the Director of Advocacy: * Liaison to NFB governmental affairs office * Use outreach database to cultivate partnerships with DSS and legislative offices * Listen to and make recommendations on cases of alleged discrimination or lack of accommodations, working with appropriate professional staff in Baltimore as necessary * Provide tip sheets and brief guides on dealing with professors, employers and other common public entities * Create and maintain repository of advocacy resources on NABSLink with the assistance of the Director of Online Strategies Proposed Duties of the Director of Education: * Liaison to Jernigan Institute * Plan and carry out monthly membership teleconferences with key topics benefiting division development * Provide resources and guidance on writing resumes and drafting cover letters as well as interview skills * Oversee the creation and implementation of resources benefiting age-appropriate audiences i.e. elementary, middle and high school * Tailor specific materials benefiting teachers of blind students * Co-manage mentoring initiatives with the president As the plan unravels we will come back to look at these roles more fully. I realize state divisions will probably not have eight members on their board. The positions above are flexible enough so that occupations can be collapsed, and even these eight members are not expected to carry out their work without assistance. We will also take a look at the nurturing of volunteers later in the plan. For now, what is important to remember is that the positions need to be balanced in such a way as to create interdependence. One half cannot function without the completed work of the other. Membership Development, for instance, cannot put on a successful seminar if Strategic Initiatives did not do a good job of promoting the event. The Director of Advocacy cannot very well run a good legislative campaign if the Director of Outreach has not developed a functional database of congressional and state legislative offices. The examples evolve from there, but try to create an atmosphere of accountability, not necessarily one of hierarchy. There is a difference. Now let’s look away from the board at the components that would help support the work of the directors. First, each board member, including the president, would be assigned to a seasoned leader in the NFB, preferably someone in the National Board of Directors. This would facilitate communication between the student division and the organization at large, but it would also provide each board member a means to gain guidance from someone with superior experience in all areas of recruitment, fundraising and general outreach. More importantly, it would provide each board member with the philosophical anchor by which to direct all of that member’s assignments. We want a vibrant division, but we want a division that is well-grounded in the organization’s fundamental principles, otherwise we run the risk of creating an independent animal. At the state level the board members could be mentored by chapter presidents and members of the affiliate board. Second, all state division student presidents would come together to form the Council of Student Presidents, chaired by a person elected by the members of this Council. This Council would meet quarterly to provide the NABS board with the framework for the board’s activities. Ultimately it is the state divisions that provide the front line of communication with local entities. It only makes sense that state divisions should have an official voice in how the board carries out its business. The Council would pass resolutions similar to those seen at the national level of the NFB and would be approved or rejected by the general membership at either Washington Seminar or at the annual business meeting at the National Convention. Passing resolutions is a practice of the NFB. We want to train future leaders, and thus it stands to reason that students should become familiar with the process of writing and submitting resolutions to be debated by fellow students. These resolutions could not run contrary to the resolutions adopted by the parent organization. They would simply crystallize the work of the board of directors in cooperation with the general membership on issues pertinent to students. At its simplest, these resolutions would give the NABS board clear goals to be accomplished within a specified length of time. It would certainly create a level of accountability to the board by the general membership. For this facet of division structure there is not a comparable arrangement at the state level unless the state division has multiple chapters across different campuses. Texas has been one division to have previously operated student chapters at three separate campuses. The idea then was to be able to officially register with the school so that the groups could benefit from fundraising, meeting space and donations from the school. Consider incorporating resolutions into your operations only if your membership is large enough and the needs of your state distinct enough to necessitate such a strategy. You will, of course, notice that I did not include the responsibilities and expectations of the president. We’ll get to that office in a future installment of my plan. It is a position that in many ways warrants its own installment. What is important to take away from this section is that you will fail miserably if your house is not organized. You do not have to run elections according to the positions I’ve listed. You may continue to run them as the standard constitutional labels, but keep in mind that you will set yourself up to attract excellent talent if the positions are defined in advance. If you apply the specialties after the election, make sure that people understand the full scope of their position. Writing job descriptions like a business may seem like overkill, but then again, what is the real difference between a business and a nonprofit? Second, do not overlook the support systems you can create for yourself with the NFB. You are not alone, and while I do not want to include any pointless clichés in this plan, there really are people interested in helping you get your student division off the ground, inside and outside of your state, hence the benefit of mentors per board member. Something in me must care enough about you to write a hell of a long post to see you succeed. I assure you I am only one of many. Now, enough with the fluffiness. Let’s get down to the real business. To be continued... Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue May 5 19:59:48 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:59:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] establishing expectations References: <533278.58752.qm@web65705.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, If you've had accidents running into people or furniture, you might consider carrying a white cane. The public will know you're visually impaired then and you won't run into many things. The cane will identify you so you don't have to explain so much. You can even get small ID canes that are not meant for travel but to identify you. Generally if questions arise, I have conversations and explain blindness related things on an as-needed basis. I regularly interact with sighted people. I am the only legally blind student at campus . I try to act regularly and fit in talking about other interests and don't say much about blindness unless I need to. I am fine with questions, but there is so much to me than the condition of a severe visual impairment. You said "When you meet a new person (either in your personal or proffessional life), and you expect to have multiple encounters/interactions with this person, how do you approach letting this person know what to expect from you? In other words, to compensate for my blindness, I have developed certian behavioral tendancies that may seem odd to the "normal" person (dragging a hand along the wall, and following people (rather than walking next to them)." Jim, I contend we should be as normal as possible and not seem odd. Dragging your hand along the wall is socially inappropriate. That trailing technique is taught by many university trained OM instructors still. I have never agreed with it. Maybe at home touch the wall, but not in public. There are other ways to get the information, mainly using a cane. I don't see why you can't walk next to someone. What is your vision like? If you have perpheral vision this should be easy. I have only central vision. I either walk beside someone and they verbally direct me or walk sighted guide. I have also followed people, but more often walked next to them and did not think much of it. Still I know what you mean about behavioral tendencies that may seem odd. Two of mine are these. One is touching things instead or addition to using my vision to find items or understand them more. For instance I'll feel for a dropped paperclip or shoe. This may seem odd to the sighted since they only use vision. Second, I tilt my head toward a noise to better hear something sometimes. I use a cane but still some things need to be explained. So what do I do? If its in my personal life, I'll informally chat with them. I'll explain sighted guide so they don't grab my hand to lead me. I might explain what my cane does and does not do. For instance it cannot detect overhead things so I might run into them. I will ask them to identify themselves since it takes a while to learn voices. I have only worked a little in internships. But here is what I do for professional life. In the first week you will meet the professionals you'll interact with. As we get to know each other I will educate them I will tell them what to expect from me. For instance they might want to always guide me to the restroom, I politely decline saying I've learned my way and can go alone. I might state a sentence or two about my limited vision and say I use it in combo with my sense of touch to gain access to space liked dropped objects or reading braille. I explain sighted guide in a sentence or two. This is never a big deal. When we walk together I just say something like "Can I take your arm? Its easier to follow this way." Some of them offer to describe my food and the positions if we go out to eat. I use my vision and utensils to identify food. So I politely decline the explanation. Your question is very general so hope this is what you wanted. Take care. Ashley From tagrig at verizon.net Tue May 5 20:05:23 2009 From: tagrig at verizon.net (Tatyana) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:05:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tourism Stratagies? References: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3B77D84F68F04250BEEEF6CD86A50143@home> I've been in Sequoia national park with sighted people. We did a trail and spent a night in the backcountry. Smell is buityfull, sugar pine cones are as long as my half of arm. Sequoia cones are small but bark is soft and texture is strange. I walked around the tree which has largest volume in the world, its diameter is 30.5 feet. I walked inside a fallen tree, through its hollow trunk. Tatyana. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: "NABS mail list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:19 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Tourism Stratagies? > Hello all, > Now that finals are done, I am begining to once again get the itch to > travel. This time, I think I want to head to California's national parks > and national seashores. And as usual, my broke college friends can't > afford to go (I'd be broke to if it was not for VR paying my tution, and > SSDI paying monthly benifits). Also, I am not a fan of the whole guided > tour scene. > > Other than driving myself, what options exist for a blind traveler wishing > to get to inaccessable places such as Yosemite National Park? What > stratagies have worked for you? What resources exist? > > A few months ago, I emailed this same question to the president of the > NFB's Tourism Group (Division?), and I never recieved an answer. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Jim > > P.S. I am looking for people to go on this adventure with me. > > > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tagrig%40verizon.net > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue May 5 20:27:40 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:27:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting the most out of working with a job placementspecialist References: <973849.10917.qm@web65701.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I've not worked with a job specialist and hope not to need to. I thought you were working through the WRP program. So why do this job placement thing? Most job specialists work with the developmentally disabled or other problems other than blindness. My blind friend worked with one and also had a bad experience. They will help you locate and fill out applications. This you could do on your own or with a reader. They should also advocate with you when you get a job. You could give this one a chance to work, but if it does not go to your rehab counselor and try something else. Since they work with mainly other disabilities, I'm not sure this service will be of much help to you. You can do a lot on your own to get jobs. Networking is key. My dad reminds me most jobs are gotten this way rather than an employer hiring you in the traditional way with a resume/application. Talk to professionals in your field for openings. Go to job fairs but I suggest taking a friend or reader with you to navigate the complex layout and crowd. Volunteer work can turn into employment or at least give you good references. Educate the job specialist about your needs and capabilities. Tell them what accomodations you need if any. You'll have to do a lot of educating given they don't have much experience with blind employees. Good luck. Ashley From JWilson at nfb.org Tue May 5 21:08:57 2009 From: JWilson at nfb.org (Wilson, Joanne) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:08:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Pre-registration for National Convention Message-ID: Attention Conventioneers: The early bird gets more than the worm when pre-registering for the national convention! Registering in advance will help you avoid never-ending lines, will give you more time to get involved in action-packed convention activities, and will save you some cash. Visit by May 31 to complete the easy registration process. Hope to see you in Detroit... but not in the registration lines! Joanne Wilson From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue May 5 21:30:11 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:30:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation Message-ID: <3DB9BDC1003042BF94D8413FC1F10D27@Ashley> Hi all, I'm so glad to be graduating! When you went to your school's commensement ceremony did you have a guide? Did you walk single file to the stage like everyone else? I've used a cane since childhood with my limited vision. But haven't walked in line much. I hope I don't slow down the crowd. Graduation processions go slowly so it likely won't be an issue. I will have a guide on stage. Its unfamiliar and I don't have time to practice ahead of time. The ceremony is not at my college. So a guide will make it easier. What did you all do? Ashley From JFreeh at nfb.org Tue May 5 21:30:47 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 16:30:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Martha Reeves to Participate in the National Federation of the Blind Motor City March for Independence Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, ext. 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Martha Reeves to Participate in the National Federation of the Blind Motor City March for Independence Reeves to Serve as Honorary Co-chair of Event Baltimore, Maryland (May 5, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) announced today that Martha Reeves, former lead singer of the Motown group Martha and the Vandellas, will take the stage serving as a co-chair for the organization's fundraising walk-a-thon event. The third annual Motor City March for Independence will take place on the morning of July 6, 2009, as part of the National Federation of the Blind convention, which will be held in Detroit this year. Over a thousand blind people from across the nation will march to raise money to benefit blind people all over the United States and to raise awareness about the capabilities of the blind. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "We are truly delighted to have Ms. Reeves participate in this year's March for Independence. As an individual whose talent has significantly contributed to Detroit's musical landscape and a well-known leader in her community, she will be a valuable contributor to this very important event." Ms. Reeves said: "By developing innovative approaches in education, technology, and services, the National Federation of the Blind is making huge strides to help the world's blind achieve independence. I am thrilled to support the NFB third annual March for Independence. I am equally pleased that the NFB has chosen to support Detroit by selecting it as the location for the occasion." During Ms. Reeves's tenure with The Vandellas, the group had over a dozen hit singles including "Dancing in the Street," "Nowhere to Run," and "Jimmy Mack." Since 2005, Reeves has served as an elected councilwoman for the city of Detroit, Michigan. Martha Reeves joins Councilwoman Joanne Watson and other local Detroit luminaries who have agreed to co-chair the event. For more information about the March for Independence, including how to participate and how to sponsor a marcher, visit www.marchforindependence.org. To learn more about the National Federation of the Blind, please visit www.nfb.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves the lives of blind people through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the Voice of the Nation's Blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Tue May 5 21:40:03 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions Message-ID: <400785.66865.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> The Renoun is NOT a smartphone - it is just a conventional clamshell. I can't speak to accessibility cuz mainstream reviews don't address it, and I have not seen the phone in person. Sent from my iPod On May 5, 2009, at 0:45, "Jacob Struiksma" wrote: Could you tell us more about this phone Samsung Renound? Is this phone smart phone running windows mobile 6.1? What is the specks of this phone? Thanks Jacob Struiksma -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Priscilla McKinley Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions Jessica, Perfect timing. I just bought a new cell phone today. After I checked out several phones and after my technology-minded significant other talked to Verizon for an hour, I bought the Samsong Renound. It has all the capabilities you listed, and the keypad is very tactile. I've only played around with it for about half an hour, and I already can make calls and send text messages. The LG NV2 is also accessible and has a mini keyboard, but the number keypad is more difficult to navigate and is on the outside of the phone, which means it should be kept in a case. In addition, the keyboard is so small that I think it would take longer to type in text messages with it than with the number pad, at least for a blind person. Hope that helps. Priscilla On 5/3/09, Jessica wrote: Hi everyone. Sorry for this being off-topic, but I would appreciate your help. I need to get a new cell phone because the one I currently have is basically not working too well any more. I have the Owasys 22C from Capital Accessibility with a t-mobile plan. I understand Verizon wireless makes accessible cell phones, but I am not sure what phone to buy. I want a phone that lets you add contacts, has talking caller ID, etc. Please let me know what cell phone would be good for me, thank you very much. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/priscilla.mcki nley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lawnmower84%40hotmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue May 5 21:43:56 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:43:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tourism Stratagies? References: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65564B4BBB88425581316008620AA5DC@Ashley> Jim, I think it would be a mistake not to go on a tour. With a tour you have transportation, learn about the site, and have others to describe things to you. When I've gone traveling I had friends or family describe things. You could travel by plane or train. But without driving you'll be doing lots of walking. As to resources each site is different. The capitol in DC has an audio tape describing statues and things inside. The Smithsmonian has braille and large print brochures. I think you should call the park and find out. Hope someone else has more info. Honestly, sight seeing alone as a blind person is difficult. You get more out of it with sighted friends or family. Museums and restored homes like George Washington's home do not allow touching. In fact stuff is roped off several feet away from the objects. This prevents a low vision person from getting up near the thing to look closely. My favorite tours are those trolley tours where the guide describes the sites and gives you lots of interesting history. Ashley From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue May 5 23:24:53 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:24:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graduation ceremony References: <3DCA4044D7D349A5B4B18887E4240133@Ashley><009e01c9c39d$b9851c00$0301a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <008901c9cdd8$b23d1f70$0401a8c0@Serene> Hi Ashley My guide was a fellow student I'd never met before. She guided me up to the stage and across. I honestly have a poor sense of direction. From what I remember, I was walking single file, or, at least, close to the other students. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graduation ceremony > Hi Serena, > > Was your guide someone from university staff? My dss person also brought > up seating although it was as a question and I did not feel forced to > comply. She asked me if I wanted to sit in the section reserved for people > with disabilities. I'd be closer to the stage then. Of course I said I'd > rather sit with the rest of the graduating class. > > I think I'll have a guide from the university. Its going to be stressful > enough walking in front of thousands and in front of the president of the > university. If I had an opportunity to practice walking, I wouldn't need > one. But I don't. This is an unfamiliar stage and place. > > Were you able to walk single file with the rest of the graduates to the > stage or were you guided there too? > > Can you believe my family put pressure on me to let my brother whose a > graduate of the school assist me during the ceremony? I'd much rather > have a guide because walking with a family member just isn't right. I > think it would look like I'm being taken care of. I'm not the greatest > traveler as I don't have a good sense of direction, but I have used a cane > since childhood and have improved my skills. I hope my family doesn't see > me as so helpless that I need one of them to help me during an important > ceremony. > > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From sarah at growingstrong.org Tue May 5 23:32:31 2009 From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 19:32:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation References: <3DB9BDC1003042BF94D8413FC1F10D27@Ashley> Message-ID: <61AB8C5BF5BE42ACA1DA988EB59D9EE7@TINYLAPTOP> Iwill be walking in my commencement ceremony this Saturday for my Master's degree. The graduation staff are meeting with me early to rehearse the layout and find out what I need in terms of arrangements for assistance and seating to accommodate my dog. I also have autoimmune disease which has been flaring badly, and I am uncertain whether I will be well enough to process. They have given me the option to process or not depending on how I feel--I'm just supposed to call that day and let them know whether I want to meet them at the destination--the procession is quite long. I truly appreciate my school's efforts to meet my various needs! Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ From habnkid at aol.com Wed May 6 00:02:13 2009 From: habnkid at aol.com (Haben Girma) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 17:02:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tourism Stratagies? In-Reply-To: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4A00D385.3090307@aol.com> Jim, your trip sounds awesome, and I love that you plan to do it without guided tours. Independent blind travelers gather tons of information from the people they meet around them, as well as from the environment, guide books, and Internet. I've found wikitravel.org, tripadvisor.com, and travel blogs very helpful in planning some of my own trips. I suggest taking the train or bus to get to your first park. You can try finding a person in each of those areas to show you around, and there are sites online that can help you find such friendly people. One such place is couchsurfing.com, another is Hospitality Club, whose website I don't remember. You could even find a sighted friend to go along and drive a car, though that will give you the added expense of renting a car and paying for gas... You could try taking the buses and trains to get into the area of interest, then hiring a taxi to drop you off at the heart of the park. Once in the park, explore at your own leisure, see what you chance upon, and talk to the other hikers you meet out there. At the end of the day you could call a taxi to take you back to your lodging place in the nearby town. Have fun. Haben Haben Jim Reed wrote: > Hello all, > Now that finals are done, I am begining to once again get the itch to travel. This time, I think I want to head to California's national parks and national seashores. And as usual, my broke college friends can't afford to go (I'd be broke to if it was not for VR paying my tution, and SSDI paying monthly benifits). Also, I am not a fan of the whole guided tour scene. > > Other than driving myself, what options exist for a blind traveler wishing to get to inaccessable places such as Yosemite National Park? What stratagies have worked for you? What resources exist? > > A few months ago, I emailed this same question to the president of the NFB's Tourism Group (Division?), and I never recieved an answer. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Jim > > P.S. I am looking for people to go on this adventure with me. > > > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/habnkid%40aol.com > From hope.paulos at maine.edu Wed May 6 00:44:00 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:44:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation References: <3DB9BDC1003042BF94D8413FC1F10D27@Ashley> <61AB8C5BF5BE42ACA1DA988EB59D9EE7@TINYLAPTOP> Message-ID: <4287146ECE234EE0B3F284BFFCFFC555@Hope> Congratulations on obtaining your masters. What will it be in? I also am graduating but with a mere bachelor's degree. . Everyone is very accommodating at my s school as well and it's very nice. Congrats again!!! Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah J. Blake" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] going to graduation > Iwill be walking in my commencement ceremony this Saturday for my Master's > degree. The graduation staff are meeting with me early to rehearse the > layout and find out what I need in terms of arrangements for assistance > and seating to accommodate my dog. I also have autoimmune disease which > has been flaring badly, and I am uncertain whether I will be well enough > to process. They have given me the option to process or not depending on > how I feel--I'm just supposed to call that day and let them know whether I > want to meet them at the destination--the procession is quite long. I > truly appreciate my school's efforts to meet my various needs! > > Sarah J. Blake > Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org > http://www.growingstrong.org > > I'm protected by SpamBrave > http://www.spambrave.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 6 01:38:37 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <4AA29CB920A74CEDBCC20D365A08342A@Rufus> References: <4AA29CB920A74CEDBCC20D365A08342A@Rufus> Message-ID: <20090506013837.GC65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Joe, I hope that you're right about me knowing where my weaknesses lie. I think as a culture we are moving toward the notion that we just cannot give or receive constructive criticism. Everyone's too afraid to bruise an ego or risk compromising self-esteem. It's not a blindness thing, it's a society thing. The problem is that we blind people can't afford to do that. We just do not have the luxury if we are going to compete with the sighted world on terms of equality. The reason for that is simple and obvious: Blindness is a disability. By definition it means there is something we don't do--even if that something is as non-essential as being able to see. A lot of things are understood and conveyed in the sighted world visually. They don't offer useful constructive criticism, they just give you a look you're supposed to interpret as "You're doing it wrong" and magically figure out how to do it right. Well, that's really unfair to the blind, because we're not going to see the unspoken criticism. It's there all the same, we just don't respond to it correctly. No, we need people to have the courage to actually speak up and tell us constructively when we're doing something that sets us apart or draws negative social attention to ourselves. When someone offers us constructive criticism and we know that we can trust their viewpoint, it seems imperative to me that we cultivate that person's courage and trust in doing so. The benefit can be direct and immediate, if we take what that person says to heart. Honest feedback tells us our strengths and our weaknesses. Along with some creativity, we can use the former to compensate for the latter--we all have some notion of doing that by virtue of adapting to blindness. The really creative will find a way to make their weaknesses into strengths. An example of this last point, last week I met a speaker who has ADHD. And I mean she has ADHD bad. It's so clear she has it that it's not even funny. And were she doing any other job, it'd impede her ability. Doing what she does, and given the cognitive development she gave herself, she managed to turn what in extremis is a significant disability and make it her strength. We can do the same, if we work at it. Random thoughts. Sorry for my own ADHD-like moment. Joseph On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:07:43AM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Hello all, > >Grants are mistakenly seen as just free money to sponsor an activity. >People overlook the value grants provide to help groups organize themselves >to make the activity work. There are many benefits to learning how to >clearly define your mission, how to explain your community need, to spell >out how your group is making an impact... Grants, if nothing else, help >people learn about drafting and managing a budget. In general, there is no >greater exercise in teamwork than in the preparation of putting together a >proposal. For my office I will say we are far more interested in your >complete story than we are in the perfection of your proposal. > >I do not at all buy the argument that some divisions are too young to apply >for grants. Divisions are formed because the affiliate felt there was a >sufficient number of people and a sufficient need to allow the student >division to be established. If neither factor is present, it is okay to >have a group of students minus the formality of a student division. There >are plenty of benefits to an informal group, but at the point a division is >formed, the students are saying they want to be taken seriously as an >organization. As such they should be treated like an organization. To >expect anything less is to say we are okay with forming divisions for the >sake of forming divisions. People are quick to be fascinated with the >notion of becoming president of this or treasurer of that but are not very >amused when the pressures of these positions come to bear. > >Yes, even fully developed divisions face their own troubles with recruitment >and retention. I would never claim the work is easy, but the greatest >obstacle you have to overcome is taking the first step. If you need help, >ask for help. If you don't get the answers you want, keep raising hell. >Pick up a phone. Don't give up if your e-mail is not answered. You know >there's a NABS board. They keep talking about regional representatives. >Make them work. That's why they ran for their positions, to be put to work >for your benefit. > >I completely respect Oregon, because Joseph Carter understands where his >weaknesses lie and is carrying out a plan to address those weaknesses. I >don't hear Joseph bitching about how things are just so hard. Students from >California and Michigan have written me off list asking how they might be >better prepared for the next opportunity. They weren't somewhat offended by >my tone. They took their rebuke and are using the opportunity to do >something to improve their status. They and others understand there are >enough examples of the good things that can happen in state divisions when >students decide to quit whining and start acting. The founders of >Invisible Children were nothing more than a few guys with a camera, and now >they lead one of the most influential grassroots organizations benefiting >children who are on a completely different continent, and they were students >when they began their venture. Don't give me this nonsense that as students >we're too busy to do anything of substance. > >Here's the interesting point I have not seen anyone mention. I have told >you I was disappointed in you for not applying for one of our grants. I >told you in my most recent opportunity announcement that I did not want you >to let me down a second time, but consider this thought: Who am I to tell >you to do anything? What if you were so confident in your ability to do >great things that you could write to me publicly and say, "Screw you. I >don't need your stupid grant to kick ass!" > >Think about it... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4052 (20090504) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From ccook01 at knology.net Wed May 6 03:29:02 2009 From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 23:29:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions In-Reply-To: References: <9BC4A7311C604EC7938BDB29113D82E4@Jess><87f3cf960905031813x4558269el45eed46b466d3dd3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B176E1475D84C6E85AB9DDA162CA0A0@TheCooksPC> the samsung is not a smart phone. However it does support sim cards for global travel. In the USA it is a CDMA phone sold by Verizon Wireless. Good phone. Corey Check out my blog. http://www.blindrants.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Struiksma" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions > Could you tell us more about this phone Samsung Renound? Is this phone > smart phone running windows mobile 6.1? What is the specks of this phone? > Thanks > Jacob Struiksma > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Priscilla McKinley > Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:13 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cell phone suggestions > > Jessica, > > Perfect timing. I just bought a new cell phone today. After I checked > out > several phones and after my technology-minded significant other talked to > Verizon for an hour, I bought the Samsong Renound. It has all the > capabilities you listed, and the keypad is very tactile. > I've only played around with it for about half an hour, and I already can > make calls and send text messages. > > The LG NV2 is also accessible and has a mini keyboard, but the number > keypad > is more difficult to navigate and is on the outside of the phone, which > means it should be kept in a case. In addition, the keyboard is so small > that I think it would take longer to type in text messages with it than > with > the number pad, at least for a blind person. > > Hope that helps. > > Priscilla > > On 5/3/09, Jessica wrote: >> Hi everyone. Sorry for this being off-topic, but I would appreciate >> your help. I need to get a new cell phone because the one I currently >> have is basically not working too well any more. I have the Owasys 22C >> from Capital Accessibility with a t-mobile plan. I understand Verizon >> wireless makes accessible cell phones, but I am not sure what phone to >> buy. I want a phone that lets you add contacts, has talking caller ID, >> etc. Please let me know what cell phone would be good for me, thank you > very much. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/priscilla.mcki >> nley%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lawnmower84%40hotmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.net > > From corbbo at gmail.com Wed May 6 06:44:32 2009 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 02:44:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tourism Stratagies? In-Reply-To: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <73342.5406.qm@web65702.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, If it helps convince them at all -- us blind folks (lumped in the disability category) do get a free parking pass to national parks. Saves you the $20-30 in park admission for the vehicle and any extra parking fees. I doubt that's the sticking point, though, but wanted to let folks know that is available. Corbb On May 5, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Jim Reed wrote: Hello all, Now that finals are done, I am begining to once again get the itch to travel. This time, I think I want to head to California's national parks and national seashores. And as usual, my broke college friends can't afford to go (I'd be broke to if it was not for VR paying my tution, and SSDI paying monthly benifits). Also, I am not a fan of the whole guided tour scene. Other than driving myself, what options exist for a blind traveler wishing to get to inaccessable places such as Yosemite National Park? What stratagies have worked for you? What resources exist? A few months ago, I emailed this same question to the president of the NFB's Tourism Group (Division?), and I never recieved an answer. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Jim P.S. I am looking for people to go on this adventure with me. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed May 6 12:50:40 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation In-Reply-To: <4287146ECE234EE0B3F284BFFCFFC555@Hope> Message-ID: <1767460017.5803421241614240930.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello hope and all, i too would also like to congratulate you hope and also to everyone also who is going to graduate from college this year! that's a awesome accomplishment in your life. i too was suppose to graduate this year but, due to health issues it won't be until next fall. again, congratulations to you all and i wish you all good wishes in your future endeavors! hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Paulos To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Wed, 6 May 2009 00:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] going to graduation Congratulations on obtaining your masters. What will it be in? I also am graduating but with a mere bachelor's degree. . Everyone is very accommodating at my s school as well and it's very nice. Congrats again!!! Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah J. Blake" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] going to graduation > Iwill be walking in my commencement ceremony this Saturday for my Master's > degree. The graduation staff are meeting with me early to rehearse the > layout and find out what I need in terms of arrangements for assistance > and seating to accommodate my dog. I also have autoimmune disease which > has been flaring badly, and I am uncertain whether I will be well enough > to process. They have given me the option to process or not depending on > how I feel--I'm just supposed to call that day and let them know whether I > want to meet them at the destination--the procession is quite long. I > truly appreciate my school's efforts to meet my various needs! > > Sarah J. Blake > Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org > http://www.growingstrong.org > > I'm protected by SpamBrave > http://www.spambrave.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From chriswright11 at verizon.net Wed May 6 16:17:56 2009 From: chriswright11 at verizon.net (Christopher Wright) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 12:17:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation References: <3DB9BDC1003042BF94D8413FC1F10D27@Ashley> Message-ID: <001901c9ce66$3824ed60$2f01a8c0@myhome.westell.com> Hi, When I graduated from Purchase College, I had a guide for all the festivities. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:30 PM Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation > Hi all, > > I'm so glad to be graduating! When you went to your school's commensement ceremony did you have a guide? Did you walk single file to the stage like everyone else? I've used a cane since childhood with my limited vision. But haven't walked in line much. I hope I don't slow down the crowd. Graduation processions go slowly so it likely won't be an issue. I will have a guide on stage. Its unfamiliar and I don't have time to practice ahead of time. The ceremony is not at my college. So a guide will make it easier. > > What did you all do? > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chriswright11%40verizon.net > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.12.11/2089 - Release Date: 4/30/09 5:53 PM > > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:25:09 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:25:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090506172509.GF65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Joe, I just don't know what to say--this is an ambitious and carefully considered plan. It is logical, practical, and a good idea to consider as well. Based upon it, I urge you to reconsider your decision not to run for the NABS presidency. I do not know many people in or outside of the organization that I believe have the power to make things a reality in the year or two span of the typical NABS presidency. You could. In fact, there has been recent suggestion that I should consider running for a NABS board position myself. I had discounted the idea primarily because I was not sure enough of the job duties to be confident in my ability to serve in that capacity with any effectiveness. With a plan like yours, I can see several board positions for which I believe I could serve well. When we formed the Oregon Association of Blind Students earlier this year, we had five students at the table and one assisting non-student Federationist to make sure the legal aspects were followed properly. Only three of the students were willing to take on the responsibility of board membership, and two of those three had little idea of what they were getting themselves into back in February. Fast forward to the present and we're getting the hang of it. We have had a slow start, for which I am partly responsible. My time tends to get eaten up by having to work through and around the blatant discrimination and vindictive retaliation happening at my university--that's an entirely separate thread, though. The time drain is essentially ended (they're pretty much out of obstacles with even transparent excuses), and now we can build the organization we want to have here in Oregon. Your blueprint will assist with that, now that you've written it. I think the biggest thing holding our Oregon division is that we haven't really had the kind of communication you've described. We should be tied in better both to the national students affiliate, and to our state's parent organization. That tie also should not be a single individual as it is now with our state parent, since that creates a point of weakness. Just as there are many out there ready to help us, Joe, there are many of us out here ready to help you. Please reconsider running. I think NABS needs the organizational skills you'd bring to the position. Joseph -- T. Joseph Carter, President Oregon Association of Blind Students carter.tjoseph at gmail.com 503-562-9299 On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 03:30:49PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all: > >Over the past week there has been discussion about the state of the student >division. The discussion came about as a result of my urging divisions to >apply for grants offered by way of my employer through its partnership with >several corporations. In some cases I understand divisions did not apply on >account of there not being sufficient time or training or people to design a >program worthy of funding. In short, I am told student divisions are simply >not ready for this level of operation. > >, another recent development has been the growing rumors that I am planning >to seek the presidency of the national student division. The rumors were >true. I did spend several months carefully weighing the pros and cons of >running for the office. In the end the cons took it, and I have ultimately >decided to serve you in a different capacity away from the board. That >said, I will now share the plan I developed had I chosen to run for >election. I offer the plan I would have exercised in my hypothetical >presidency in hopes that you will take what you like from my ideas and use >them to expand your own divisions. This installment of my plan focuses on >the NABS board, but there is almost nothing here that cannot be applicable >at the state level. > >The plan that follows is a practical one. I have no use for idealistic >nonsense that does not give concrete ideas on how to make a division grow, >but because it is a practical plan, it is also a plan that lends itself to >criticism. This is the sort of plan that meets my leadership style, and so >you will need to adjust the plan to serve you in your own leadership >capacity. And, I fully expect you to publicly challenge those ideas you >think ridiculous. This is, after all, mostly an exercise in development >strategy, and no great nonprofit successfully evolves according to the >notions of one single individual. > >Finally, my purpose in sharing this plan with you is to motivate you to aim >higher. I expect there to be dialogue. At the end of my eight years with >the student division I do not want to leave it with the sense that nothing >at all has changed since the first day I came into the ranks. If you’re >okay with these expectations, please continue reading. Otherwise, spare >yourself the torture of a long-winded post and move on to more interesting >reading. It was not fair of me to yell at you for not meeting my high >standards without providing you a means to get the job done, and so I will >try to make the reading for those of you who do follow this series of posts >as beneficial as possible. > >Let’s begin with the structure of the national board. Each position from >the president down to the fourth board member needs to have associated tasks >to give people an idea of the position they are running for. Otherwise, >people run for positions with only the slate to tell them where they belong. >People who are not on the slate are then left to randomly run against people >with no real concept of what the position involves. Again, bear in mind >that this is true of any state student division board. > >In my hypothetical national board I would divide the eight board members >into two halves. My first vice president would be in charge of strategic >initiatives. Under this vice president of strategic initiatives would be >the treasurer, first board member and second board member, only the title of >these last two would be Director of Online Strategies and Director of >Outreach. The other half would be made up of the second vice president, who >would be the vice president of membership development. He or she would >oversee the secretary, third board member and fourth board member. These >last positions would be my Director of Advocacy and Director of Education. > >The purpose for giving the positions new titles is twofold. First, it helps >keep the elected members focused on their responsibilities. No matter what >happens in the two years of the term, no matter the activity, they will know >the scope of their duty, and the general membership will know exactly who to >contact with their specific questions. Second, it looks really good on the >resume. Ultimately I want my board members to use their positions as a tool >to learn new skills and then use those skills to impress potential >employers. The National Association of Blind Students may not sound like >much to people outside the NFB, but the title of vice president of strategic >initiatives gives one pause. It makes one wonder just what it is you did in >that position and what qualified you to hold it. > >There is no need for constitutional amendments unless the board is >interested in solidifying the roles in the exact positions I’ve listed them >in. I would recommend you maintain a certain flexibility by not committing >yourself to the constitution. > >Now, I know I must have lost some of you in the layout of the positions, so >let’s briefly examine both sides of this hypothetical board. > >The vice president of strategic initiatives would oversee the outreach >operations of the division. It would be their responsibility to research, >identify and engage new members, partners and potential sources of funding. >He or she would work with the other three members of the team to create a >compelling image of the organization and sell that image to our audiences. >What they do specifically would depend on the arrangement agreed to by the >team, but integral to this position would be the composition of grant >proposals, letters of inquiry, brochures, press releases, public service >announcements, etc. > >The following job descriptions are by no means exhaustive, but they provide >a glimpse of what their tasks might look like. > >Proposed Duties of the Treasurer: > >* Co-manage registration table at all special events with the secretary to >facilitate the collection of registration fees > >* Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain a >user-friendly online payment collection system > >* Oversee hard fundraising projects including, but not limited to: auctions, >door prizes, candy sells, Monte Carlo Night > >* Maintain bank statements and easily produce balances by program upon >request to the board and to the membership at large > >Proposed Duties of the Director of Online Strategies: > >* Maintain NABSLink > >* Create and cultivate social networking presences that sync up with the >main web site > >* Use these combined resources to work with the Director of Outreach on >highlighting current and prospective partners and/or funding sources > >Proposed Duties of the Director of Outreach: > >* Create and maintain database of DSS coordinators, key legislative staff, >corporations, foundations, community-based nonprofits and media outlets > >* Create templates to actively communicate with all of the above as >necessary > >* Use database and other sources like Idealist to recruit volunteers for >certain specialties i.e. web development > >* Promote upcoming events, initiatives, etc. > >* Facilitate communication between NABS and other NFB divisions, including >but not limited to: Sports and Recreation and National Organization of >Parents of Blind Children > >On the other side we would have membership development. This vice president >would work with his or her three colleagues to take the members, partners >and sponsors discovered by the strategic initiatives team and incorporate >them into the fold of the division. What Strategic Initiatives finds is the >job of membership development to keep. Again, the specific tasks of this >vice president would depend on the dynamics of the team. It is my opinion >that vice presidents should maintain a measure of flexibility to oversee his >or her team and work with the president on special projects, but among other >duties the vice president would oversee the development of seminar agendas, >event logistics, mentorship initiatives, newsletter publication and resource >development. > >Proposed Duties for the Secretary: > >* Co-manage registration table at special events with the treasurer to >facilitate the collection of guest contact information > >* Oversee the production of Braille agendas for distribution at special >events > >* Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain an >online registration system, preferably tied to payment process > >* Coordinate the assignment and travel schedule of student representatives >to state conventions > >* Provide final editorial review of all outbound communication, including >online and off-line communication > >* Record board meeting minutes and make these available to the general >membership via NABSLink > >* Maintain membership database > >Proposed Duties of the Director of Advocacy: > >* Liaison to NFB governmental affairs office > >* Use outreach database to cultivate partnerships with DSS and legislative >offices > >* Listen to and make recommendations on cases of alleged discrimination or >lack of accommodations, working with appropriate professional staff in >Baltimore as necessary > >* Provide tip sheets and brief guides on dealing with professors, employers >and other common public entities > >* Create and maintain repository of advocacy resources on NABSLink with the >assistance of the Director of Online Strategies > >Proposed Duties of the Director of Education: > >* Liaison to Jernigan Institute > >* Plan and carry out monthly membership teleconferences with key topics >benefiting division development > >* Provide resources and guidance on writing resumes and drafting cover >letters as well as interview skills > >* Oversee the creation and implementation of resources benefiting >age-appropriate audiences i.e. elementary, middle and high school > >* Tailor specific materials benefiting teachers of blind students > >* Co-manage mentoring initiatives with the president > >As the plan unravels we will come back to look at these roles more fully. I >realize state divisions will probably not have eight members on their board. >The positions above are flexible enough so that occupations can be >collapsed, and even these eight members are not expected to carry out their >work without assistance. We will also take a look at the nurturing of >volunteers later in the plan. > >For now, what is important to remember is that the positions need to be >balanced in such a way as to create interdependence. One half cannot >function without the completed work of the other. Membership Development, >for instance, cannot put on a successful seminar if Strategic Initiatives >did not do a good job of promoting the event. The Director of Advocacy >cannot very well run a good legislative campaign if the Director of Outreach >has not developed a functional database of congressional and state >legislative offices. The examples evolve from there, but try to create an >atmosphere of accountability, not necessarily one of hierarchy. There is a >difference. > >Now let’s look away from the board at the components that would help support >the work of the directors. First, each board member, including the >president, would be assigned to a seasoned leader in the NFB, preferably >someone in the National Board of Directors. This would facilitate >communication between the student division and the organization at large, >but it would also provide each board member a means to gain guidance from >someone with superior experience in all areas of recruitment, fundraising >and general outreach. More importantly, it would provide each board member >with the philosophical anchor by which to direct all of that member’s >assignments. We want a vibrant division, but we want a division that is >well-grounded in the organization’s fundamental principles, otherwise we run >the risk of creating an independent animal. At the state level the board >members could be mentored by chapter presidents and members of the affiliate >board. > >Second, all state division student presidents would come together to form >the Council of Student Presidents, chaired by a person elected by the >members of this Council. This Council would meet quarterly to provide the >NABS board with the framework for the board’s activities. Ultimately it is >the state divisions that provide the front line of communication with local >entities. It only makes sense that state divisions should have an official >voice in how the board carries out its business. The Council would pass >resolutions similar to those seen at the national level of the NFB and would >be approved or rejected by the general membership at either Washington >Seminar or at the annual business meeting at the National Convention. > >Passing resolutions is a practice of the NFB. We want to train future >leaders, and thus it stands to reason that students should become familiar >with the process of writing and submitting resolutions to be debated by >fellow students. These resolutions could not run contrary to the >resolutions adopted by the parent organization. They would simply >crystallize the work of the board of directors in cooperation with the >general membership on issues pertinent to students. At its simplest, these >resolutions would give the NABS board clear goals to be accomplished within >a specified length of time. It would certainly create a level of >accountability to the board by the general membership. > >For this facet of division structure there is not a comparable arrangement >at the state level unless the state division has multiple chapters across >different campuses. Texas has been one division to have previously operated >student chapters at three separate campuses. The idea then was to be able >to officially register with the school so that the groups could benefit from >fundraising, meeting space and donations from the school. Consider >incorporating resolutions into your operations only if your membership is >large enough and the needs of your state distinct enough to necessitate such >a strategy. > >You will, of course, notice that I did not include the responsibilities and >expectations of the president. We’ll get to that office in a future >installment of my plan. It is a position that in many ways warrants its own >installment. > >What is important to take away from this section is that you will fail >miserably if your house is not organized. You do not have to run elections >according to the positions I’ve listed. You may continue to run them as the >standard constitutional labels, but keep in mind that you will set yourself >up to attract excellent talent if the positions are defined in advance. If >you apply the specialties after the election, make sure that people >understand the full scope of their position. Writing job descriptions like >a business may seem like overkill, but then again, what is the real >difference between a business and a nonprofit? > >Second, do not overlook the support systems you can create for yourself with >the NFB. You are not alone, and while I do not want to include any >pointless clichés in this plan, there really are people interested in >helping you get your student division off the ground, inside and outside of >your state, hence the benefit of mentors per board member. Something in me >must care enough about you to write a hell of a long post to see you >succeed. I assure you I am only one of many. > >Now, enough with the fluffiness. Let’s get down to the real business. > >To be continued... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4054 (20090505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 6 17:27:31 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:27:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> <26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090506172731.GG65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> They do. It was private enough that I hadn't noticed it. *grin* Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:48:22PM -0700, Bill wrote: >Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private list >like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it easier for >things like this to be sent to the people who really want to see it. >Bill VP >Oregon Association of Blind Students >503-768-8982 >cassonw at gmail.com > >On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > >> I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, and >> as such we should strive to help and support each other rather than >> argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came out, and >> some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, or lost >> information. But that's not what really matters: now we know that >> vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so instead of making >> such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a better way of >> disseminating important announcements, and there already have been >> suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the last grant for which >> we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, we will be more aware >> of what is going on, and take full advantage of it, if it is a >> reasonable goal for our individual state divisions. so lets work >> together, and learn to learn from our mistakes, take constructive >> criticism, and add it all up, so that our individual states become >> stronger and better organized, thus making our national presence also >> stronger. >> Mary >> >> On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don’t feel >> > it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and >> > forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out >> > on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed >> > it. This isn’t anybody’s fault but just something that happens on >> > high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page >> > within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or >> > repost it a few times. >> > >> > I also don’t feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student >> > divisions who knew about the grant but who didn’t follow up on it. >> > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather >> > than a chance to tear each other down. >> > >> > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation >> > and drive of their leaders, but as we’ve discussed frequently here and >> > at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or >> > struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of >> > this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being >> > students. There simply aren’t a huge number of blind students in any >> > state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at >> > times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions >> > to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they >> > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and >> > being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was >> > president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a >> > camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn’t get enough students to >> > make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the >> > logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have >> > helped to bring more students into the event—money is nice, but isn’t >> > everything. >> > >> > That’s not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our >> > student divisions, however. Let’s see Joe’s message as a challenge >> > rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what >> > new projects we’d like to initiate, and make a real commitment to >> > spearhead these projects. It doesn’t have to be anything big, or even >> > anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get >> > more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing >> > members. >> > >> > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and >> > guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or >> > even if you’d just like one of us to sit in on your next division >> > conference call. >> > >> > Respectfully, >> > Arielle Silverman >> > First Vice-President, NABS >> > >> > >> > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> >> Jim, >> >> >> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students >> >> divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know >> >> about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all >> >> have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to >> >> the organization. >> >> >> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about >> >> the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know >> >> if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for >> >> Oregon. >> >> >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >> >>>Joe, >> >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state student >> >>> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. >> >>> >> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >> >>> >> >>>As students we are all still learning. >> >>> >> >>>As students, we are all busy. >> >>> >> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to >> make >> >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are >> not >> >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >> >>> >> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills >> needed >> >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also a >> >>> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state >> leadership >> >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. >> >>> >> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being >> >>> lazy >> >>> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the >> >>> grant >> >>> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a >> grant, >> >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your >> >>> judgemental comments to yourself. >> >>> >> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the right >> >>> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and >> >>> willingness >> >>> to learn. >> >>> >> >>>Respectfully, >> >>>Jim Reed >> >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >> >>>nabs-l mailing list >> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed May 6 18:04:27 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 14:04:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 1 References: <20090506172509.GF65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <3757F2B9D3104E2C98983EC8C4386AF0@Ashley> Joeseph, I don't think Joe can run for nabs president since he is not a student and I think one has to be a student to run. Maybe Joe is in grad school and he could run then. But I know he already finished undergrad and has been working for several years. ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 1 > Joe, > > I just don't know what to say--this is an ambitious and carefully > considered plan. It is logical, practical, and a good idea to consider as > well. Based upon it, I urge you to reconsider your decision not to run > for the NABS presidency. I do not know many people in or outside of the > organization that I believe have the power to make things a reality in the > year or two span of the typical NABS presidency. You could. > > In fact, there has been recent suggestion that I should consider running > for a NABS board position myself. I had discounted the idea primarily > because I was not sure enough of the job duties to be confident in my > ability to serve in that capacity with any effectiveness. With a plan > like yours, I can see several board positions for which I believe I could > serve well. > > When we formed the Oregon Association of Blind Students earlier this year, > we had five students at the table and one assisting non-student > Federationist to make sure the legal aspects were followed properly. Only > three of the students were willing to take on the responsibility of board > membership, and two of those three had little idea of what they were > getting themselves into back in February. > > Fast forward to the present and we're getting the hang of it. We have had > a slow start, for which I am partly responsible. My time tends to get > eaten up by having to work through and around the blatant discrimination > and vindictive retaliation happening at my university--that's an entirely > separate thread, though. > > The time drain is essentially ended (they're pretty much out of obstacles > with even transparent excuses), and now we can build the organization we > want to have here in Oregon. Your blueprint will assist with that, now > that you've written it. > > I think the biggest thing holding our Oregon division is that we haven't > really had the kind of communication you've described. We should be tied > in better both to the national students affiliate, and to our state's > parent organization. That tie also should not be a single individual as > it is now with our state parent, since that creates a point of weakness. > > Just as there are many out there ready to help us, Joe, there are many of > us out here ready to help you. Please reconsider running. I think NABS > needs the organizational skills you'd bring to the position. > > Joseph > > -- > T. Joseph Carter, President > Oregon Association of Blind Students > carter.tjoseph at gmail.com > 503-562-9299 > > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 03:30:49PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >>Dear all: >> >>Over the past week there has been discussion about the state of the >>student >>division. The discussion came about as a result of my urging divisions to >>apply for grants offered by way of my employer through its partnership >>with >>several corporations. In some cases I understand divisions did not apply >>on >>account of there not being sufficient time or training or people to design >>a >>program worthy of funding. In short, I am told student divisions are >>simply >>not ready for this level of operation. >> >>, another recent development has been the growing rumors that I am >>planning >>to seek the presidency of the national student division. The rumors were >>true. I did spend several months carefully weighing the pros and cons of >>running for the office. In the end the cons took it, and I have >>ultimately >>decided to serve you in a different capacity away from the board. That >>said, I will now share the plan I developed had I chosen to run for >>election. I offer the plan I would have exercised in my hypothetical >>presidency in hopes that you will take what you like from my ideas and use >>them to expand your own divisions. This installment of my plan focuses on >>the NABS board, but there is almost nothing here that cannot be applicable >>at the state level. >> >>The plan that follows is a practical one. I have no use for idealistic >>nonsense that does not give concrete ideas on how to make a division grow, >>but because it is a practical plan, it is also a plan that lends itself to >>criticism. This is the sort of plan that meets my leadership style, and >>so >>you will need to adjust the plan to serve you in your own leadership >>capacity. And, I fully expect you to publicly challenge those ideas you >>think ridiculous. This is, after all, mostly an exercise in development >>strategy, and no great nonprofit successfully evolves according to the >>notions of one single individual. >> >>Finally, my purpose in sharing this plan with you is to motivate you to >>aim >>higher. I expect there to be dialogue. At the end of my eight years with >>the student division I do not want to leave it with the sense that nothing >>at all has changed since the first day I came into the ranks. If you’re >>okay with these expectations, please continue reading. Otherwise, spare >>yourself the torture of a long-winded post and move on to more interesting >>reading. It was not fair of me to yell at you for not meeting my high >>standards without providing you a means to get the job done, and so I will >>try to make the reading for those of you who do follow this series of >>posts >>as beneficial as possible. >> >>Let’s begin with the structure of the national board. Each position from >>the president down to the fourth board member needs to have associated >>tasks >>to give people an idea of the position they are running for. Otherwise, >>people run for positions with only the slate to tell them where they >>belong. >>People who are not on the slate are then left to randomly run against >>people >>with no real concept of what the position involves. Again, bear in mind >>that this is true of any state student division board. >> >>In my hypothetical national board I would divide the eight board members >>into two halves. My first vice president would be in charge of strategic >>initiatives. Under this vice president of strategic initiatives would be >>the treasurer, first board member and second board member, only the title >>of >>these last two would be Director of Online Strategies and Director of >>Outreach. The other half would be made up of the second vice president, >>who >>would be the vice president of membership development. He or she would >>oversee the secretary, third board member and fourth board member. These >>last positions would be my Director of Advocacy and Director of Education. >> >>The purpose for giving the positions new titles is twofold. First, it >>helps >>keep the elected members focused on their responsibilities. No matter >>what >>happens in the two years of the term, no matter the activity, they will >>know >>the scope of their duty, and the general membership will know exactly who >>to >>contact with their specific questions. Second, it looks really good on >>the >>resume. Ultimately I want my board members to use their positions as a >>tool >>to learn new skills and then use those skills to impress potential >>employers. The National Association of Blind Students may not sound like >>much to people outside the NFB, but the title of vice president of >>strategic >>initiatives gives one pause. It makes one wonder just what it is you did >>in >>that position and what qualified you to hold it. >> >>There is no need for constitutional amendments unless the board is >>interested in solidifying the roles in the exact positions I’ve listed >>them >>in. I would recommend you maintain a certain flexibility by not >>committing >>yourself to the constitution. >> >>Now, I know I must have lost some of you in the layout of the positions, >>so >>let’s briefly examine both sides of this hypothetical board. >> >>The vice president of strategic initiatives would oversee the outreach >>operations of the division. It would be their responsibility to research, >>identify and engage new members, partners and potential sources of >>funding. >>He or she would work with the other three members of the team to create a >>compelling image of the organization and sell that image to our audiences. >>What they do specifically would depend on the arrangement agreed to by the >>team, but integral to this position would be the composition of grant >>proposals, letters of inquiry, brochures, press releases, public service >>announcements, etc. >> >>The following job descriptions are by no means exhaustive, but they >>provide >>a glimpse of what their tasks might look like. >> >>Proposed Duties of the Treasurer: >> >>* Co-manage registration table at all special events with the secretary to >>facilitate the collection of registration fees >> >>* Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain a >>user-friendly online payment collection system >> >>* Oversee hard fundraising projects including, but not limited to: >>auctions, >>door prizes, candy sells, Monte Carlo Night >> >>* Maintain bank statements and easily produce balances by program upon >>request to the board and to the membership at large >> >>Proposed Duties of the Director of Online Strategies: >> >>* Maintain NABSLink >> >>* Create and cultivate social networking presences that sync up with the >>main web site >> >>* Use these combined resources to work with the Director of Outreach on >>highlighting current and prospective partners and/or funding sources >> >>Proposed Duties of the Director of Outreach: >> >>* Create and maintain database of DSS coordinators, key legislative staff, >>corporations, foundations, community-based nonprofits and media outlets >> >>* Create templates to actively communicate with all of the above as >>necessary >> >>* Use database and other sources like Idealist to recruit volunteers for >>certain specialties i.e. web development >> >>* Promote upcoming events, initiatives, etc. >> >>* Facilitate communication between NABS and other NFB divisions, including >>but not limited to: Sports and Recreation and National Organization of >>Parents of Blind Children >> >>On the other side we would have membership development. This vice >>president >>would work with his or her three colleagues to take the members, partners >>and sponsors discovered by the strategic initiatives team and incorporate >>them into the fold of the division. What Strategic Initiatives finds is >>the >>job of membership development to keep. Again, the specific tasks of this >>vice president would depend on the dynamics of the team. It is my opinion >>that vice presidents should maintain a measure of flexibility to oversee >>his >>or her team and work with the president on special projects, but among >>other >>duties the vice president would oversee the development of seminar >>agendas, >>event logistics, mentorship initiatives, newsletter publication and >>resource >>development. >> >>Proposed Duties for the Secretary: >> >>* Co-manage registration table at special events with the treasurer to >>facilitate the collection of guest contact information >> >>* Oversee the production of Braille agendas for distribution at special >>events >> >>* Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain an >>online registration system, preferably tied to payment process >> >>* Coordinate the assignment and travel schedule of student representatives >>to state conventions >> >>* Provide final editorial review of all outbound communication, including >>online and off-line communication >> >>* Record board meeting minutes and make these available to the general >>membership via NABSLink >> >>* Maintain membership database >> >>Proposed Duties of the Director of Advocacy: >> >>* Liaison to NFB governmental affairs office >> >>* Use outreach database to cultivate partnerships with DSS and legislative >>offices >> >>* Listen to and make recommendations on cases of alleged discrimination or >>lack of accommodations, working with appropriate professional staff in >>Baltimore as necessary >> >>* Provide tip sheets and brief guides on dealing with professors, >>employers >>and other common public entities >> >>* Create and maintain repository of advocacy resources on NABSLink with >>the >>assistance of the Director of Online Strategies >> >>Proposed Duties of the Director of Education: >> >>* Liaison to Jernigan Institute >> >>* Plan and carry out monthly membership teleconferences with key topics >>benefiting division development >> >>* Provide resources and guidance on writing resumes and drafting cover >>letters as well as interview skills >> >>* Oversee the creation and implementation of resources benefiting >>age-appropriate audiences i.e. elementary, middle and high school >> >>* Tailor specific materials benefiting teachers of blind students >> >>* Co-manage mentoring initiatives with the president >> >>As the plan unravels we will come back to look at these roles more fully. >>I >>realize state divisions will probably not have eight members on their >>board. >>The positions above are flexible enough so that occupations can be >>collapsed, and even these eight members are not expected to carry out >>their >>work without assistance. We will also take a look at the nurturing of >>volunteers later in the plan. >> >>For now, what is important to remember is that the positions need to be >>balanced in such a way as to create interdependence. One half cannot >>function without the completed work of the other. Membership Development, >>for instance, cannot put on a successful seminar if Strategic Initiatives >>did not do a good job of promoting the event. The Director of Advocacy >>cannot very well run a good legislative campaign if the Director of >>Outreach >>has not developed a functional database of congressional and state >>legislative offices. The examples evolve from there, but try to create an >>atmosphere of accountability, not necessarily one of hierarchy. There is >>a >>difference. >> >>Now let’s look away from the board at the components that would help >>support >>the work of the directors. First, each board member, including the >>president, would be assigned to a seasoned leader in the NFB, preferably >>someone in the National Board of Directors. This would facilitate >>communication between the student division and the organization at large, >>but it would also provide each board member a means to gain guidance from >>someone with superior experience in all areas of recruitment, fundraising >>and general outreach. More importantly, it would provide each board >>member >>with the philosophical anchor by which to direct all of that member’s >>assignments. We want a vibrant division, but we want a division that is >>well-grounded in the organization’s fundamental principles, otherwise we >>run >>the risk of creating an independent animal. At the state level the board >>members could be mentored by chapter presidents and members of the >>affiliate >>board. >> >>Second, all state division student presidents would come together to form >>the Council of Student Presidents, chaired by a person elected by the >>members of this Council. This Council would meet quarterly to provide the >>NABS board with the framework for the board’s activities. Ultimately it >>is >>the state divisions that provide the front line of communication with >>local >>entities. It only makes sense that state divisions should have an >>official >>voice in how the board carries out its business. The Council would pass >>resolutions similar to those seen at the national level of the NFB and >>would >>be approved or rejected by the general membership at either Washington >>Seminar or at the annual business meeting at the National Convention. >> >>Passing resolutions is a practice of the NFB. We want to train future >>leaders, and thus it stands to reason that students should become familiar >>with the process of writing and submitting resolutions to be debated by >>fellow students. These resolutions could not run contrary to the >>resolutions adopted by the parent organization. They would simply >>crystallize the work of the board of directors in cooperation with the >>general membership on issues pertinent to students. At its simplest, >>these >>resolutions would give the NABS board clear goals to be accomplished >>within >>a specified length of time. It would certainly create a level of >>accountability to the board by the general membership. >> >>For this facet of division structure there is not a comparable arrangement >>at the state level unless the state division has multiple chapters across >>different campuses. Texas has been one division to have previously >>operated >>student chapters at three separate campuses. The idea then was to be able >>to officially register with the school so that the groups could benefit >>from >>fundraising, meeting space and donations from the school. Consider >>incorporating resolutions into your operations only if your membership is >>large enough and the needs of your state distinct enough to necessitate >>such >>a strategy. >> >>You will, of course, notice that I did not include the responsibilities >>and >>expectations of the president. We’ll get to that office in a future >>installment of my plan. It is a position that in many ways warrants its >>own >>installment. >> >>What is important to take away from this section is that you will fail >>miserably if your house is not organized. You do not have to run >>elections >>according to the positions I’ve listed. You may continue to run them as >>the >>standard constitutional labels, but keep in mind that you will set >>yourself >>up to attract excellent talent if the positions are defined in advance. >>If >>you apply the specialties after the election, make sure that people >>understand the full scope of their position. Writing job descriptions >>like >>a business may seem like overkill, but then again, what is the real >>difference between a business and a nonprofit? >> >>Second, do not overlook the support systems you can create for yourself >>with >>the NFB. You are not alone, and while I do not want to include any >>pointless clichés in this plan, there really are people interested in >>helping you get your student division off the ground, inside and outside >>of >>your state, hence the benefit of mentors per board member. Something in >>me >>must care enough about you to write a hell of a long post to see you >>succeed. I assure you I am only one of many. >> >>Now, enough with the fluffiness. Let’s get down to the real business. >> >>To be continued... >> >>Joe Orozco >> >>"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >>crowd."--Max Lucado >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >>database 4054 (20090505) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From troubleclark at gmail.com Wed May 6 20:13:42 2009 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:13:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <20090506172731.GG65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> <26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com> <20090506172731.GG65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Dear Joe We are learning. You don't know everything. On 5/6/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > They do. It was private enough that I hadn't noticed it. *grin* > > Joseph > > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:48:22PM -0700, Bill wrote: >>Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private list >>like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it easier for >>things like this to be sent to the people who really want to see it. >>Bill VP >>Oregon Association of Blind Students >>503-768-8982 >>cassonw at gmail.com >> >>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez >> wrote: >> >>> I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, and >>> as such we should strive to help and support each other rather than >>> argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came out, and >>> some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, or lost >>> information. But that's not what really matters: now we know that >>> vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so instead of making >>> such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a better way of >>> disseminating important announcements, and there already have been >>> suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the last grant for which >>> we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, we will be more aware >>> of what is going on, and take full advantage of it, if it is a >>> reasonable goal for our individual state divisions. so lets work >>> together, and learn to learn from our mistakes, take constructive >>> criticism, and add it all up, so that our individual states become >>> stronger and better organized, thus making our national presence also >>> stronger. >>> Mary >>> >>> On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don’t feel >>> > it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and >>> > forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out >>> > on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed >>> > it. This isn’t anybody’s fault but just something that happens on >>> > high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page >>> > within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or >>> > repost it a few times. >>> > >>> > I also don’t feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student >>> > divisions who knew about the grant but who didn’t follow up on it. >>> > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather >>> > than a chance to tear each other down. >>> > >>> > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation >>> > and drive of their leaders, but as we’ve discussed frequently here and >>> > at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or >>> > struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of >>> > this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being >>> > students. There simply aren’t a huge number of blind students in any >>> > state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at >>> > times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions >>> > to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they >>> > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and >>> > being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was >>> > president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a >>> > camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn’t get enough students to >>> > make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the >>> > logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have >>> > helped to bring more students into the event—money is nice, but isn’t >>> > everything. >>> > >>> > That’s not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our >>> > student divisions, however. Let’s see Joe’s message as a challenge >>> > rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what >>> > new projects we’d like to initiate, and make a real commitment to >>> > spearhead these projects. It doesn’t have to be anything big, or even >>> > anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get >>> > more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing >>> > members. >>> > >>> > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and >>> > guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or >>> > even if you’d just like one of us to sit in on your next division >>> > conference call. >>> > >>> > Respectfully, >>> > Arielle Silverman >>> > First Vice-President, NABS >>> > >>> > >>> > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>> >> Jim, >>> >> >>> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students >>> >> divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know >>> >> about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all >>> >> have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to >>> >> the organization. >>> >> >>> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about >>> >> the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know >>> >> if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for >>> >> Oregon. >>> >> >>> >> Joseph >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>> >>>Joe, >>> >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state >>> >>> student >>> >>> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. >>> >>> >>> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >>> >>> >>> >>>As students we are all still learning. >>> >>> >>> >>>As students, we are all busy. >>> >>> >>> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to >>> make >>> >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are >>> not >>> >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >>> >>> >>> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills >>> needed >>> >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also >>> >>> a >>> >>> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state >>> leadership >>> >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. >>> >>> >>> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being >>> >>> lazy >>> >>> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the >>> >>> grant >>> >>> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a >>> grant, >>> >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your >>> >>> judgemental comments to yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the >>> >>> right >>> >>> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and >>> >>> willingness >>> >>> to learn. >>> >>> >>> >>>Respectfully, >>> >>>Jim Reed >>> >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From troubleclark at gmail.com Wed May 6 20:16:03 2009 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:16:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 1 In-Reply-To: <3757F2B9D3104E2C98983EC8C4386AF0@Ashley> References: <20090506172509.GF65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> <3757F2B9D3104E2C98983EC8C4386AF0@Ashley> Message-ID: no such thing as a fake presidentcy. You are president or not. On 5/6/09, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joeseph, > I don't think Joe can run for nabs president since he is not a student and I > think one has to be a student to run. Maybe Joe is in grad school and he > could run then. But I know he already finished undergrad and has been > working for several years. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 1 > > >> Joe, >> >> I just don't know what to say--this is an ambitious and carefully >> considered plan. It is logical, practical, and a good idea to consider as >> >> well. Based upon it, I urge you to reconsider your decision not to run >> for the NABS presidency. I do not know many people in or outside of the >> organization that I believe have the power to make things a reality in the >> >> year or two span of the typical NABS presidency. You could. >> >> In fact, there has been recent suggestion that I should consider running >> for a NABS board position myself. I had discounted the idea primarily >> because I was not sure enough of the job duties to be confident in my >> ability to serve in that capacity with any effectiveness. With a plan >> like yours, I can see several board positions for which I believe I could >> serve well. >> >> When we formed the Oregon Association of Blind Students earlier this year, >> >> we had five students at the table and one assisting non-student >> Federationist to make sure the legal aspects were followed properly. Only >> >> three of the students were willing to take on the responsibility of board >> membership, and two of those three had little idea of what they were >> getting themselves into back in February. >> >> Fast forward to the present and we're getting the hang of it. We have had >> >> a slow start, for which I am partly responsible. My time tends to get >> eaten up by having to work through and around the blatant discrimination >> and vindictive retaliation happening at my university--that's an entirely >> separate thread, though. >> >> The time drain is essentially ended (they're pretty much out of obstacles >> with even transparent excuses), and now we can build the organization we >> want to have here in Oregon. Your blueprint will assist with that, now >> that you've written it. >> >> I think the biggest thing holding our Oregon division is that we haven't >> really had the kind of communication you've described. We should be tied >> in better both to the national students affiliate, and to our state's >> parent organization. That tie also should not be a single individual as >> it is now with our state parent, since that creates a point of weakness. >> >> Just as there are many out there ready to help us, Joe, there are many of >> us out here ready to help you. Please reconsider running. I think NABS >> needs the organizational skills you'd bring to the position. >> >> Joseph >> >> -- >> T. Joseph Carter, President >> Oregon Association of Blind Students >> carter.tjoseph at gmail.com >> 503-562-9299 >> >> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 03:30:49PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>Dear all: >>> >>>Over the past week there has been discussion about the state of the >>>student >>>division. The discussion came about as a result of my urging divisions to >>>apply for grants offered by way of my employer through its partnership >>>with >>>several corporations. In some cases I understand divisions did not apply >>>on >>>account of there not being sufficient time or training or people to design >>> >>>a >>>program worthy of funding. In short, I am told student divisions are >>>simply >>>not ready for this level of operation. >>> >>>, another recent development has been the growing rumors that I am >>>planning >>>to seek the presidency of the national student division. The rumors were >>>true. I did spend several months carefully weighing the pros and cons of >>>running for the office. In the end the cons took it, and I have >>>ultimately >>>decided to serve you in a different capacity away from the board. That >>>said, I will now share the plan I developed had I chosen to run for >>>election. I offer the plan I would have exercised in my hypothetical >>>presidency in hopes that you will take what you like from my ideas and use >>>them to expand your own divisions. This installment of my plan focuses on >>>the NABS board, but there is almost nothing here that cannot be applicable >>>at the state level. >>> >>>The plan that follows is a practical one. I have no use for idealistic >>>nonsense that does not give concrete ideas on how to make a division grow, >>>but because it is a practical plan, it is also a plan that lends itself to >>>criticism. This is the sort of plan that meets my leadership style, and >>>so >>>you will need to adjust the plan to serve you in your own leadership >>>capacity. And, I fully expect you to publicly challenge those ideas you >>>think ridiculous. This is, after all, mostly an exercise in development >>>strategy, and no great nonprofit successfully evolves according to the >>>notions of one single individual. >>> >>>Finally, my purpose in sharing this plan with you is to motivate you to >>>aim >>>higher. I expect there to be dialogue. At the end of my eight years with >>>the student division I do not want to leave it with the sense that nothing >>>at all has changed since the first day I came into the ranks. If you’re >>>okay with these expectations, please continue reading. Otherwise, spare >>>yourself the torture of a long-winded post and move on to more interesting >>>reading. It was not fair of me to yell at you for not meeting my high >>>standards without providing you a means to get the job done, and so I will >>>try to make the reading for those of you who do follow this series of >>>posts >>>as beneficial as possible. >>> >>>Let’s begin with the structure of the national board. Each position from >>>the president down to the fourth board member needs to have associated >>>tasks >>>to give people an idea of the position they are running for. Otherwise, >>>people run for positions with only the slate to tell them where they >>>belong. >>>People who are not on the slate are then left to randomly run against >>>people >>>with no real concept of what the position involves. Again, bear in mind >>>that this is true of any state student division board. >>> >>>In my hypothetical national board I would divide the eight board members >>>into two halves. My first vice president would be in charge of strategic >>>initiatives. Under this vice president of strategic initiatives would be >>>the treasurer, first board member and second board member, only the title >>>of >>>these last two would be Director of Online Strategies and Director of >>>Outreach. The other half would be made up of the second vice president, >>>who >>>would be the vice president of membership development. He or she would >>>oversee the secretary, third board member and fourth board member. These >>>last positions would be my Director of Advocacy and Director of Education. >>> >>>The purpose for giving the positions new titles is twofold. First, it >>>helps >>>keep the elected members focused on their responsibilities. No matter >>>what >>>happens in the two years of the term, no matter the activity, they will >>>know >>>the scope of their duty, and the general membership will know exactly who >>>to >>>contact with their specific questions. Second, it looks really good on >>>the >>>resume. Ultimately I want my board members to use their positions as a >>>tool >>>to learn new skills and then use those skills to impress potential >>>employers. The National Association of Blind Students may not sound like >>>much to people outside the NFB, but the title of vice president of >>>strategic >>>initiatives gives one pause. It makes one wonder just what it is you did >>>in >>>that position and what qualified you to hold it. >>> >>>There is no need for constitutional amendments unless the board is >>>interested in solidifying the roles in the exact positions I’ve listed >>>them >>>in. I would recommend you maintain a certain flexibility by not >>>committing >>>yourself to the constitution. >>> >>>Now, I know I must have lost some of you in the layout of the positions, >>>so >>>let’s briefly examine both sides of this hypothetical board. >>> >>>The vice president of strategic initiatives would oversee the outreach >>>operations of the division. It would be their responsibility to research, >>>identify and engage new members, partners and potential sources of >>>funding. >>>He or she would work with the other three members of the team to create a >>>compelling image of the organization and sell that image to our audiences. >>>What they do specifically would depend on the arrangement agreed to by the >>>team, but integral to this position would be the composition of grant >>>proposals, letters of inquiry, brochures, press releases, public service >>>announcements, etc. >>> >>>The following job descriptions are by no means exhaustive, but they >>>provide >>>a glimpse of what their tasks might look like. >>> >>>Proposed Duties of the Treasurer: >>> >>>* Co-manage registration table at all special events with the secretary to >>>facilitate the collection of registration fees >>> >>>* Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain a >>>user-friendly online payment collection system >>> >>>* Oversee hard fundraising projects including, but not limited to: >>>auctions, >>>door prizes, candy sells, Monte Carlo Night >>> >>>* Maintain bank statements and easily produce balances by program upon >>>request to the board and to the membership at large >>> >>>Proposed Duties of the Director of Online Strategies: >>> >>>* Maintain NABSLink >>> >>>* Create and cultivate social networking presences that sync up with the >>>main web site >>> >>>* Use these combined resources to work with the Director of Outreach on >>>highlighting current and prospective partners and/or funding sources >>> >>>Proposed Duties of the Director of Outreach: >>> >>>* Create and maintain database of DSS coordinators, key legislative staff, >>>corporations, foundations, community-based nonprofits and media outlets >>> >>>* Create templates to actively communicate with all of the above as >>>necessary >>> >>>* Use database and other sources like Idealist to recruit volunteers for >>>certain specialties i.e. web development >>> >>>* Promote upcoming events, initiatives, etc. >>> >>>* Facilitate communication between NABS and other NFB divisions, including >>>but not limited to: Sports and Recreation and National Organization of >>>Parents of Blind Children >>> >>>On the other side we would have membership development. This vice >>>president >>>would work with his or her three colleagues to take the members, partners >>>and sponsors discovered by the strategic initiatives team and incorporate >>>them into the fold of the division. What Strategic Initiatives finds is >>>the >>>job of membership development to keep. Again, the specific tasks of this >>>vice president would depend on the dynamics of the team. It is my opinion >>>that vice presidents should maintain a measure of flexibility to oversee >>>his >>>or her team and work with the president on special projects, but among >>>other >>>duties the vice president would oversee the development of seminar >>>agendas, >>>event logistics, mentorship initiatives, newsletter publication and >>>resource >>>development. >>> >>>Proposed Duties for the Secretary: >>> >>>* Co-manage registration table at special events with the treasurer to >>>facilitate the collection of guest contact information >>> >>>* Oversee the production of Braille agendas for distribution at special >>>events >>> >>>* Work with the Director of Online Strategies to create and maintain an >>>online registration system, preferably tied to payment process >>> >>>* Coordinate the assignment and travel schedule of student representatives >>>to state conventions >>> >>>* Provide final editorial review of all outbound communication, including >>>online and off-line communication >>> >>>* Record board meeting minutes and make these available to the general >>>membership via NABSLink >>> >>>* Maintain membership database >>> >>>Proposed Duties of the Director of Advocacy: >>> >>>* Liaison to NFB governmental affairs office >>> >>>* Use outreach database to cultivate partnerships with DSS and legislative >>>offices >>> >>>* Listen to and make recommendations on cases of alleged discrimination or >>>lack of accommodations, working with appropriate professional staff in >>>Baltimore as necessary >>> >>>* Provide tip sheets and brief guides on dealing with professors, >>>employers >>>and other common public entities >>> >>>* Create and maintain repository of advocacy resources on NABSLink with >>>the >>>assistance of the Director of Online Strategies >>> >>>Proposed Duties of the Director of Education: >>> >>>* Liaison to Jernigan Institute >>> >>>* Plan and carry out monthly membership teleconferences with key topics >>>benefiting division development >>> >>>* Provide resources and guidance on writing resumes and drafting cover >>>letters as well as interview skills >>> >>>* Oversee the creation and implementation of resources benefiting >>>age-appropriate audiences i.e. elementary, middle and high school >>> >>>* Tailor specific materials benefiting teachers of blind students >>> >>>* Co-manage mentoring initiatives with the president >>> >>>As the plan unravels we will come back to look at these roles more fully. >>>I >>>realize state divisions will probably not have eight members on their >>>board. >>>The positions above are flexible enough so that occupations can be >>>collapsed, and even these eight members are not expected to carry out >>>their >>>work without assistance. We will also take a look at the nurturing of >>>volunteers later in the plan. >>> >>>For now, what is important to remember is that the positions need to be >>>balanced in such a way as to create interdependence. One half cannot >>>function without the completed work of the other. Membership Development, >>>for instance, cannot put on a successful seminar if Strategic Initiatives >>>did not do a good job of promoting the event. The Director of Advocacy >>>cannot very well run a good legislative campaign if the Director of >>>Outreach >>>has not developed a functional database of congressional and state >>>legislative offices. The examples evolve from there, but try to create an >>>atmosphere of accountability, not necessarily one of hierarchy. There is >>>a >>>difference. >>> >>>Now let’s look away from the board at the components that would help >>>support >>>the work of the directors. First, each board member, including the >>>president, would be assigned to a seasoned leader in the NFB, preferably >>>someone in the National Board of Directors. This would facilitate >>>communication between the student division and the organization at large, >>>but it would also provide each board member a means to gain guidance from >>>someone with superior experience in all areas of recruitment, fundraising >>>and general outreach. More importantly, it would provide each board >>>member >>>with the philosophical anchor by which to direct all of that member’s >>>assignments. We want a vibrant division, but we want a division that is >>>well-grounded in the organization’s fundamental principles, otherwise we >>>run >>>the risk of creating an independent animal. At the state level the board >>>members could be mentored by chapter presidents and members of the >>>affiliate >>>board. >>> >>>Second, all state division student presidents would come together to form >>>the Council of Student Presidents, chaired by a person elected by the >>>members of this Council. This Council would meet quarterly to provide the >>>NABS board with the framework for the board’s activities. Ultimately it >>>is >>>the state divisions that provide the front line of communication with >>>local >>>entities. It only makes sense that state divisions should have an >>>official >>>voice in how the board carries out its business. The Council would pass >>>resolutions similar to those seen at the national level of the NFB and >>>would >>>be approved or rejected by the general membership at either Washington >>>Seminar or at the annual business meeting at the National Convention. >>> >>>Passing resolutions is a practice of the NFB. We want to train future >>>leaders, and thus it stands to reason that students should become familiar >>>with the process of writing and submitting resolutions to be debated by >>>fellow students. These resolutions could not run contrary to the >>>resolutions adopted by the parent organization. They would simply >>>crystallize the work of the board of directors in cooperation with the >>>general membership on issues pertinent to students. At its simplest, >>>these >>>resolutions would give the NABS board clear goals to be accomplished >>>within >>>a specified length of time. It would certainly create a level of >>>accountability to the board by the general membership. >>> >>>For this facet of division structure there is not a comparable arrangement >>>at the state level unless the state division has multiple chapters across >>>different campuses. Texas has been one division to have previously >>>operated >>>student chapters at three separate campuses. The idea then was to be able >>>to officially register with the school so that the groups could benefit >>>from >>>fundraising, meeting space and donations from the school. Consider >>>incorporating resolutions into your operations only if your membership is >>>large enough and the needs of your state distinct enough to necessitate >>>such >>>a strategy. >>> >>>You will, of course, notice that I did not include the responsibilities >>>and >>>expectations of the president. We’ll get to that office in a future >>>installment of my plan. It is a position that in many ways warrants its >>>own >>>installment. >>> >>>What is important to take away from this section is that you will fail >>>miserably if your house is not organized. You do not have to run >>>elections >>>according to the positions I’ve listed. You may continue to run them as >>>the >>>standard constitutional labels, but keep in mind that you will set >>>yourself >>>up to attract excellent talent if the positions are defined in advance. >>>If >>>you apply the specialties after the election, make sure that people >>>understand the full scope of their position. Writing job descriptions >>>like >>>a business may seem like overkill, but then again, what is the real >>>difference between a business and a nonprofit? >>> >>>Second, do not overlook the support systems you can create for yourself >>>with >>>the NFB. You are not alone, and while I do not want to include any >>>pointless clichés in this plan, there really are people interested in >>>helping you get your student division off the ground, inside and outside >>>of >>>your state, hence the benefit of mentors per board member. Something in >>>me >>>must care enough about you to write a hell of a long post to see you >>>succeed. I assure you I am only one of many. >>> >>>Now, enough with the fluffiness. Let’s get down to the real business. >>> >>>To be continued... >>> >>>Joe Orozco >>> >>>"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >>>crowd."--Max Lucado >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>>database 4054 (20090505) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 20:28:13 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant Message-ID: <584477.707.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Joe, I read the Disney grant, and I have a question about the following: "These grants of USD500 are for children (ages 5-14) or the organizations that engage them, to implement youth-led service projects" I see two problems here: 1. My division doesnt have any members that are 5-14 (that complicates the "youth-led" stipulation. 2. My division doesn't "engage" children ages 5-14. Thoughts? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Wed May 6 20:30:36 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:30:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant In-Reply-To: <584477.707.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <584477.707.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632092010905061330o1ad4bcd2y85b6a5eda89ffd14@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I think that you can develop a project that does "engage," children between the ages of 5-14. Because, afterall, these children will soon become the leaders of your devision overtime, and if you do not engage them eventually, the devision will die out as time progresses, which is something none of us would like to happen. So, if you have to engage them later, why not do it now? Aziza On 5/6/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Joe, > I read the Disney grant, and I have a question about the following: > > "These grants of USD500 > are for children (ages 5-14) or the organizations that engage them, to > implement youth-led service projects" > > > I see two problems here: > 1. My division doesnt have any members that are 5-14 (that complicates the > "youth-led" stipulation. > > 2. My division doesn't "engage" children ages 5-14. > > Thoughts? > Jim > > > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Wed May 6 20:50:17 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 13:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] State president mailing list Message-ID: <354637.55605.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, I like Bill's idea to create a state president mail list so that importiant messages don't get lost in the NABS list traffic. However, I think such a list shoiuld be expanded to also include Division officers and board members, not just presidents. Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us Wed May 6 21:25:18 2009 From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 16:25:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DAISY Consortium Releases AMIS 3.0, DAISY Software Player Message-ID: >>> "George Kerscher" 5/6/2009 2:52 PM >>> Dear All, Yesterday AMIS 3.0 was released. If you have not seen the news: The DAISY Consortium announces the new release of AMIS software. AMIS is a free, open source software application for reading DAISY books. It is self-voicing, therefore specialized screen-reading software is not needed. Details are available in the DAISY Press Release at: http://www.daisy.org/news/attachments/amis_3.0_release.html AMIS 3.0 can be downloaded from the AMIS project page at: http://www.daisy.org/projects/amis/ Best George George Kerscher Ph.D. In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right. Secretary General, DAISY Consortium http://www.daisy.org Senior Officer, Accessible Technology Recording For the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D) http://www.rfbd.org Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division of the W3C http://www.w3c.org/wai Board Representative to the International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF) http://www.idpf.org Phone: +1 406/549-4687 Email: kerscher at montana.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed May 6 21:58:20 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 07:58:20 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] State president mailing list In-Reply-To: <354637.55605.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <354637.55605.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim and all, There is a list for NABS state presidents and members of the national NABS board. All the messages that Joe posts to the general lists also go to the presidents list. If you are a student division president and are not on this list, please email Terri Rupp at nabs.president at gmail.com since she needs to be the one to add you. Arielle On 5/7/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Hello, > I like Bill's idea to create a state president mail list so that importiant > messages don't get lost in the NABS list traffic. However, I think such a > list shoiuld be expanded to also include Division officers and board > members, not just presidents. > > Jim > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From thisischris89 at gmail.com Wed May 6 22:37:36 2009 From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christopher Kchao) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:37:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net><26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com><20090506172731.GG65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <5962B27D40634AEDB4B7258BB003AD5C@consumer281f9d> Nathan, Had you carefully observed the other messages in this thread, you would have known that the issues you're bringing up have already been addressed. That said, I believe that most are trying to make this thread along with its original mood finally die down and continue positive discussion. Messages such as this only perpetuate negativity and reiterate confusion that has already been cleared up. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Clark Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" Dear Joe We are learning. You don't know everything. On 5/6/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > They do. It was private enough that I hadn't noticed it. *grin* > > Joseph > > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:48:22PM -0700, Bill wrote: >>Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private list >>like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it easier for >>things like this to be sent to the people who really want to see it. >>Bill VP >>Oregon Association of Blind Students >>503-768-8982 >>cassonw at gmail.com >> >>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez >> wrote: >> >>> I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, and >>> as such we should strive to help and support each other rather than >>> argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came out, and >>> some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, or lost >>> information. But that's not what really matters: now we know that >>> vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so instead of making >>> such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a better way of >>> disseminating important announcements, and there already have been >>> suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the last grant for which >>> we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, we will be more aware >>> of what is going on, and take full advantage of it, if it is a >>> reasonable goal for our individual state divisions. so lets work >>> together, and learn to learn from our mistakes, take constructive >>> criticism, and add it all up, so that our individual states become >>> stronger and better organized, thus making our national presence also >>> stronger. >>> Mary >>> >>> On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don't feel >>> > it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and >>> > forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out >>> > on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed >>> > it. This isn't anybody's fault but just something that happens on >>> > high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page >>> > within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or >>> > repost it a few times. >>> > >>> > I also don't feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student >>> > divisions who knew about the grant but who didn't follow up on it. >>> > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather >>> > than a chance to tear each other down. >>> > >>> > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation >>> > and drive of their leaders, but as we've discussed frequently here and >>> > at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or >>> > struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of >>> > this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being >>> > students. There simply aren't a huge number of blind students in any >>> > state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at >>> > times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions >>> > to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they >>> > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and >>> > being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was >>> > president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a >>> > camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn't get enough students to >>> > make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the >>> > logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have >>> > helped to bring more students into the event-money is nice, but isn't >>> > everything. >>> > >>> > That's not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our >>> > student divisions, however. Let's see Joe's message as a challenge >>> > rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what >>> > new projects we'd like to initiate, and make a real commitment to >>> > spearhead these projects. It doesn't have to be anything big, or even >>> > anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get >>> > more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing >>> > members. >>> > >>> > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and >>> > guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or >>> > even if you'd just like one of us to sit in on your next division >>> > conference call. >>> > >>> > Respectfully, >>> > Arielle Silverman >>> > First Vice-President, NABS >>> > >>> > >>> > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>> >> Jim, >>> >> >>> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students >>> >> divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know >>> >> about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all >>> >> have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to >>> >> the organization. >>> >> >>> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about >>> >> the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know >>> >> if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for >>> >> Oregon. >>> >> >>> >> Joseph >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>> >>>Joe, >>> >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state >>> >>> student >>> >>> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. >>> >>> >>> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >>> >>> >>> >>>As students we are all still learning. >>> >>> >>> >>>As students, we are all busy. >>> >>> >>> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to >>> make >>> >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are >>> not >>> >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >>> >>> >>> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills >>> needed >>> >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also >>> >>> a >>> >>> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state >>> leadership >>> >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. >>> >>> >>> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being >>> >>> lazy >>> >>> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the >>> >>> grant >>> >>> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a >>> grant, >>> >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your >>> >>> judgemental comments to yourself. >>> >>> >>> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the >>> >>> right >>> >>> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and >>> >>> willingness >>> >>> to learn. >>> >>> >>> >>>Respectfully, >>> >>>Jim Reed >>> >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gma il.com >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m >>> >> >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40g mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai l.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 6 23:09:47 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:09:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Textbooks on the Amazon Kindle Message-ID: <20090506230947.GP65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jason Ewell sent this message to the NFB Cafe, a group on Facebook: -------------------- Subject: Textbooks on the Amazon Kindle NFB Cafe members: This summer, Amazon will begin selling a new version of its Kindle e-book reader which is designed to work well with textbooks. Several universities will be giving students Kindles preloaded with some of their books in the fall. We need to find any blind students attending these schools. They are Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Princeton University, Pace University in New York City, Reed College in Portland, Oregon, Arizona State University, and the Darden School of Business at the University of Virginia. If you attend one of these schools or if you know a blind or visually impaired student who does, please email me at JEwell at nfb.org. You can read about the new Kindle at http:online.wsj.com/article/SB124146996831184563.html Thanks, Jason Ewell -------------------- The link in the above message has been changed slightly so that it goes directly to the article, rather than through Facebook, to be sure that it works for people without accounts on the networking service. I will be contacting Lily Copenagle at Reed College to find out if there are any blind students currently attending Reed, and I will also be speaking with her about students with other print disabilities as well. Joseph -- T. Joseph Carter, President Oregon Association of Blind Students carter.tjoseph at gmail.com 503-562-9299 From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 6 23:32:49 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:32:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net> <26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com> <20090506172731.GG65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20090506233249.GB77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Nathan, Are you saying that you're learning that I don't know everything, or that we are all learning and therefore not expected to know everything? Either one looks correct to me. *grin* Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:13:42PM -0400, Nathan Clark wrote: >Dear Joe >We are learning. You don't know everything. > > >On 5/6/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> They do. It was private enough that I hadn't noticed it. *grin* >> >> Joseph >> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:48:22PM -0700, Bill wrote: >>>Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private list >>>like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it easier for >>>things like this to be sent to the people who really want to see it. >>>Bill VP >>>Oregon Association of Blind Students >>>503-768-8982 >>>cassonw at gmail.com >>> >>>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, and >>>> as such we should strive to help and support each other rather than >>>> argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came out, and >>>> some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, or lost >>>> information. But that's not what really matters: now we know that >>>> vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so instead of making >>>> such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a better way of >>>> disseminating important announcements, and there already have been >>>> suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the last grant for which >>>> we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, we will be more aware >>>> of what is going on, and take full advantage of it, if it is a >>>> reasonable goal for our individual state divisions. so lets work >>>> together, and learn to learn from our mistakes, take constructive >>>> criticism, and add it all up, so that our individual states become >>>> stronger and better organized, thus making our national presence also >>>> stronger. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> > Hi all, >>>> > >>>> > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don’t feel >>>> > it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails back and >>>> > forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant opportunity did go out >>>> > on the list, but as others have pointed out, many of us simply missed >>>> > it. This isn’t anybody’s fault but just something that happens on >>>> > high-traffic email lists. In the future we may want to set up a page >>>> > within the NABS website to post such grant opportunities, and/or >>>> > repost it a few times. >>>> > >>>> > I also don’t feel it appropriate for us to be putting down student >>>> > divisions who knew about the grant but who didn’t follow up on it. >>>> > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future rather >>>> > than a chance to tear each other down. >>>> > >>>> > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the motivation >>>> > and drive of their leaders, but as we’ve discussed frequently here and >>>> > at NABS events, many of our state divisions are small, young, and/or >>>> > struggling to establish or maintain basic structure. Again, much of >>>> > this is just a result of being part of a small community, and being >>>> > students. There simply aren’t a huge number of blind students in any >>>> > state, and student organizations in general tend to be transient at >>>> > times. For these reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions >>>> > to get organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they >>>> > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal and >>>> > being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I was >>>> > president of the Arizona student division we wanted to organize a >>>> > camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn’t get enough students to >>>> > make a commitment to participate to go forward with planning the >>>> > logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or may not have >>>> > helped to bring more students into the event—money is nice, but isn’t >>>> > everything. >>>> > >>>> > That’s not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our >>>> > student divisions, however. Let’s see Joe’s message as a challenge >>>> > rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to decide what >>>> > new projects we’d like to initiate, and make a real commitment to >>>> > spearhead these projects. It doesn’t have to be anything big, or even >>>> > anything that requires outside funding, but just something new to get >>>> > more students in or at least to motivate and inspire our existing >>>> > members. >>>> > >>>> > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer support and >>>> > guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you have questions, or >>>> > even if you’d just like one of us to sit in on your next division >>>> > conference call. >>>> > >>>> > Respectfully, >>>> > Arielle Silverman >>>> > First Vice-President, NABS >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>>> >> Jim, >>>> >> >>>> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why students >>>> >> divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, we need to know >>>> >> about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to do more--and we all >>>> >> have our own circumstances that may reduce what time we can give to >>>> >> the organization. >>>> >> >>>> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves about >>>> >> the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I don't know >>>> >> if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak only for >>>> >> Oregon. >>>> >> >>>> >> Joseph >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>>> >>>Joe, >>>> >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state >>>> >>> student >>>> >>> divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your grant. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>As students we are all still learning. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>As students, we are all busy. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are hoping to >>>> make >>>> >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, we are >>>> not >>>> >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite skills >>>> needed >>>> >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is also >>>> >>> a >>>> >>> learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and state >>>> leadership >>>> >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for being >>>> >>> lazy >>>> >>> if they don't fill out your grant application, offer to teach us the >>>> >>> grant >>>> >>> writing process. If you truely think we are incapable to manage a >>>> grant, >>>> >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please keep your >>>> >>> judgemental comments to yourself. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given the >>>> >>> right >>>> >>> conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, energy, and >>>> >>> willingness >>>> >>> to learn. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Respectfully, >>>> >>>Jim Reed >>>> >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mary Fernandez >>>> Emory University 2012 >>>> P.O. Box 123056 >>>> Atlanta Ga. >>>> 30322 >>>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>>> President Barack Obama >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From fowlers at syix.com Thu May 7 01:00:38 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 18:00:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <20090506233249.GB77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <766983.27828.qm@web65715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><20090505003008.GC65205@yumi.bluecherry.net><26d2dfeb0905042248x293754cbr554235c07f52aec9@mail.gmail.com><20090506172731.GG65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> <20090506233249.GB77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <2327414BF51445B4A238BDF11F60564E@angelab> Good come-back Joe, bravo! I personally have been learning since I was a teenager that I don't know everything. I'm forever learning. (grin) -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" Nathan, Are you saying that you're learning that I don't know everything, or that we are all learning and therefore not expected to know everything? Either one looks correct to me. *grin* Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:13:42PM -0400, Nathan Clark wrote: >Dear Joe >We are learning. You don't know everything. > > >On 5/6/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> They do. It was private enough that I hadn't noticed it. *grin* >> >> Joseph >> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:48:22PM -0700, Bill wrote: >>>Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private >>>list like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it >>>easier for things like this to be sent to the people who really want to see it. >>>Bill VP >>>Oregon Association of Blind Students >>>503-768-8982 >>>cassonw at gmail.com >>> >>>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, >>>> and as such we should strive to help and support each other rather >>>> than argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came >>>> out, and some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, >>>> or lost information. But that's not what really matters: now we >>>> know that vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so >>>> instead of making such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a >>>> better way of disseminating important announcements, and there >>>> already have been suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the >>>> last grant for which we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, >>>> we will be more aware of what is going on, and take full advantage >>>> of it, if it is a reasonable goal for our individual state >>>> divisions. so lets work together, and learn to learn from our >>>> mistakes, take constructive criticism, and add it all up, so that >>>> our individual states become stronger and better organized, thus >>>> making our national presence also stronger. >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> > Hi all, >>>> > >>>> > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don't >>>> > feel it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails >>>> > back and forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant >>>> > opportunity did go out on the list, but as others have pointed >>>> > out, many of us simply missed it. This isn't anybody's fault but >>>> > just something that happens on high-traffic email lists. In the >>>> > future we may want to set up a page within the NABS website to >>>> > post such grant opportunities, and/or repost it a few times. >>>> > >>>> > I also don't feel it appropriate for us to be putting down >>>> > student divisions who knew about the grant but who didn't follow up on it. >>>> > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future >>>> > rather than a chance to tear each other down. >>>> > >>>> > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the >>>> > motivation and drive of their leaders, but as we've discussed >>>> > frequently here and at NABS events, many of our state divisions >>>> > are small, young, and/or struggling to establish or maintain >>>> > basic structure. Again, much of this is just a result of being >>>> > part of a small community, and being students. There simply >>>> > aren't a huge number of blind students in any state, and student >>>> > organizations in general tend to be transient at times. For these >>>> > reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions to get >>>> > organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they >>>> > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal >>>> > and being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I >>>> > was president of the Arizona student division we wanted to >>>> > organize a camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn't get enough >>>> > students to make a commitment to participate to go forward with >>>> > planning the logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or >>>> > may not have helped to bring more students into the event-money is nice, but isn't everything. >>>> > >>>> > That's not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our >>>> > student divisions, however. Let's see Joe's message as a >>>> > challenge rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to >>>> > decide what new projects we'd like to initiate, and make a real >>>> > commitment to spearhead these projects. It doesn't have to be >>>> > anything big, or even anything that requires outside funding, but >>>> > just something new to get more students in or at least to >>>> > motivate and inspire our existing members. >>>> > >>>> > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer >>>> > support and guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you >>>> > have questions, or even if you'd just like one of us to sit in on >>>> > your next division conference call. >>>> > >>>> > Respectfully, >>>> > Arielle Silverman >>>> > First Vice-President, NABS >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>>> >> Jim, >>>> >> >>>> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why >>>> >> students divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, >>>> >> we need to know about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to >>>> >> do more--and we all have our own circumstances that may reduce >>>> >> what time we can give to the organization. >>>> >> >>>> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves >>>> >> about the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I >>>> >> don't know if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak >>>> >> only for Oregon. >>>> >> >>>> >> Joseph >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>>> >>>Joe, >>>> >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state >>>> >>>student divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your >>>> >>>grant. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >>>> >>> >>>> >>>As students we are all still learning. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>As students, we are all busy. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are >>>> >>>hoping to >>>> make >>>> >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, >>>> >>> we are >>>> not >>>> >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite >>>> >>>skills >>>> needed >>>> >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is >>>> >>> also a learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and >>>> >>> state >>>> leadership >>>> >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite skills. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for >>>> >>>being lazy if they don't fill out your grant application, >>>> >>>offer to teach us the grant writing process. If you truely >>>> >>>think we are incapable to manage a >>>> grant, >>>> >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please >>>> >>> keep your judgemental comments to yourself. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given >>>> >>>the right conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, >>>> >>>energy, and willingness to learn. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Respectfully, >>>> >>>Jim Reed >>>> >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >>>info for >>>> >>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjos >>>> eph%40gmail.com >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> >> info for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> > for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mary Fernandez >>>> Emory University 2012 >>>> P.O. 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It must be earned. >>>> President Barack Obama >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjosep >>>h%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >> 40gmail.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph% >40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From JFreeh at nfb.org Thu May 7 01:33:44 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 20:33:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Comments on Release of Large-screen Kindle Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Comments on Release of Large-screen Kindle Urges Accessibility of New E-book Reader for Students Baltimore, Maryland (May 6, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind, the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind Americans, commented today on the release by Amazon, Inc. of a new version of its Kindle electronic reading device. The new Kindle has a larger screen than previous versions and is being marketed by Amazon as a potential platform for the display of textbooks for college and graduate students. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "We are appalled that Amazon is releasing a new Kindle device ostensibly for the use of students that does not contain features that make it accessible to the blind. While this new device has the ability to read text aloud, its controls and user interface are not accessible to blind people; therefore, blind students will not have access to electronic textbooks available for the device. If the controls on the Kindle are made accessible to the blind, however, blind students will have equal access to textbooks at the same time as their sighted peers for the first time in history. We therefore urge Amazon to introduce a user interface for the Kindle that is accessible to the blind as soon as possible. Until such an accessible interface is introduced by Amazon, no college or university should deploy this device for use by its students, since doing so will place blind students at an unfair disadvantage compared to their sighted peers and will violate state and federal laws requiring equal access to textbooks and course materials for students with disabilities." ### From albertyoo1 at hotmail.com Thu May 7 02:10:58 2009 From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:10:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <20090506013837.GC65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <4AA29CB920A74CEDBCC20D365A08342A@Rufus> <20090506013837.GC65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Joseph Carter, I don't think people want to listen to whatever criticism people want to give each other. Even if some one is sighted it doesn't matter. People don't want to listen to feedback or criticism. It is just people think their opinions are better than the next person. People just have to think of different ways of saying things so it won't sound like criticism. Not all criticism and feedback is all bad. Albert > Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:37 -0700 > From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" > > Joe, > > I hope that you're right about me knowing where my weaknesses lie. I > think as a culture we are moving toward the notion that we just > cannot give or receive constructive criticism. Everyone's too afraid > to bruise an ego or risk compromising self-esteem. It's not a > blindness thing, it's a society thing. > > The problem is that we blind people can't afford to do that. We just > do not have the luxury if we are going to compete with the sighted > world on terms of equality. The reason for that is simple and > obvious: Blindness is a disability. By definition it means there is > something we don't do--even if that something is as non-essential as > being able to see. > > A lot of things are understood and conveyed in the sighted world > visually. They don't offer useful constructive criticism, they just > give you a look you're supposed to interpret as "You're doing it > wrong" and magically figure out how to do it right. Well, that's > really unfair to the blind, because we're not going to see the > unspoken criticism. It's there all the same, we just don't respond > to it correctly. > > No, we need people to have the courage to actually speak up and tell > us constructively when we're doing something that sets us apart or > draws negative social attention to ourselves. When someone offers us > constructive criticism and we know that we can trust their viewpoint, > it seems imperative to me that we cultivate that person's courage and > trust in doing so. The benefit can be direct and immediate, if we > take what that person says to heart. > > Honest feedback tells us our strengths and our weaknesses. Along > with some creativity, we can use the former to compensate for the > latter--we all have some notion of doing that by virtue of adapting > to blindness. The really creative will find a way to make their > weaknesses into strengths. > > An example of this last point, last week I met a speaker who has > ADHD. And I mean she has ADHD bad. It's so clear she has it that > it's not even funny. And were she doing any other job, it'd impede > her ability. Doing what she does, and given the cognitive > development she gave herself, she managed to turn what in extremis is > a significant disability and make it her strength. We can do the > same, if we work at it. > > Random thoughts. Sorry for my own ADHD-like moment. > > Joseph > > > > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:07:43AM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >Grants are mistakenly seen as just free money to sponsor an activity. > >People overlook the value grants provide to help groups organize themselves > >to make the activity work. There are many benefits to learning how to > >clearly define your mission, how to explain your community need, to spell > >out how your group is making an impact... Grants, if nothing else, help > >people learn about drafting and managing a budget. In general, there is no > >greater exercise in teamwork than in the preparation of putting together a > >proposal. For my office I will say we are far more interested in your > >complete story than we are in the perfection of your proposal. > > > >I do not at all buy the argument that some divisions are too young to apply > >for grants. Divisions are formed because the affiliate felt there was a > >sufficient number of people and a sufficient need to allow the student > >division to be established. If neither factor is present, it is okay to > >have a group of students minus the formality of a student division. There > >are plenty of benefits to an informal group, but at the point a division is > >formed, the students are saying they want to be taken seriously as an > >organization. As such they should be treated like an organization. To > >expect anything less is to say we are okay with forming divisions for the > >sake of forming divisions. People are quick to be fascinated with the > >notion of becoming president of this or treasurer of that but are not very > >amused when the pressures of these positions come to bear. > > > >Yes, even fully developed divisions face their own troubles with recruitment > >and retention. I would never claim the work is easy, but the greatest > >obstacle you have to overcome is taking the first step. If you need help, > >ask for help. If you don't get the answers you want, keep raising hell. > >Pick up a phone. Don't give up if your e-mail is not answered. You know > >there's a NABS board. They keep talking about regional representatives. > >Make them work. That's why they ran for their positions, to be put to work > >for your benefit. > > > >I completely respect Oregon, because Joseph Carter understands where his > >weaknesses lie and is carrying out a plan to address those weaknesses. I > >don't hear Joseph bitching about how things are just so hard. Students from > >California and Michigan have written me off list asking how they might be > >better prepared for the next opportunity. They weren't somewhat offended by > >my tone. They took their rebuke and are using the opportunity to do > >something to improve their status. They and others understand there are > >enough examples of the good things that can happen in state divisions when > >students decide to quit whining and start acting. The founders of > >Invisible Children were nothing more than a few guys with a camera, and now > >they lead one of the most influential grassroots organizations benefiting > >children who are on a completely different continent, and they were students > >when they began their venture. Don't give me this nonsense that as students > >we're too busy to do anything of substance. > > > >Here's the interesting point I have not seen anyone mention. I have told > >you I was disappointed in you for not applying for one of our grants. I > >told you in my most recent opportunity announcement that I did not want you > >to let me down a second time, but consider this thought: Who am I to tell > >you to do anything? What if you were so confident in your ability to do > >great things that you could write to me publicly and say, "Screw you. I > >don't need your stupid grant to kick ass!" > > > >Think about it... > > > >Joe Orozco > > > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the > >crowd."--Max Lucado > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > >database 4052 (20090504) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes with you. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 From nicolas.lagace at humanware.com Thu May 7 02:14:03 2009 From: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com (HumanWare) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:14:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] HumanWare Congratulates NFB for their Latest Innovation to Message-ID: Attention all Victor Reader Stream Users! 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You can instantly unsubscribe from these emails by clicking the link below: http://hcamarketing.cmail5.com/t/y/u/hillit/yhjdiylkr/ From dandrews at visi.com Thu May 7 02:30:23 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:30:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] State president mailing list In-Reply-To: <354637.55605.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <354637.55605.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There already is one. It is hidden so normal users don't see it on the list of lists. Dave At 03:50 PM 5/6/2009, you wrote: >Hello, >I like Bill's idea to create a state president mail list so that >importiant messages don't get lost in the NABS list traffic. >However, I think such a list shoiuld be expanded to also include >Division officers and board members, not just presidents. > >Jim > >"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4057 (20090506) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 03:26:10 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 20:26:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: <2327414BF51445B4A238BDF11F60564E@angelab> References: <20090506233249.GB77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> <2327414BF51445B4A238BDF11F60564E@angelab> Message-ID: <20090507032610.GD77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Angela, I think we're getting our regular Joes mixed up here. Nathan replied to T. Joseph Carter (that's me) with a message that seems to have been directed at Joe Orozco. I, seeing that it was a reply to me, responded as if it had been directed to me. (I have been known to respond to Joe, though my preference is Joseph.) We have to remember to keep our loquacious and undispassionate Josephs delineated. Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 06:00:38PM -0700, Angela fowler wrote: >Good come-back Joe, bravo! >I personally have been learning since I was a teenager that I don't know >everything. I'm forever learning. (grin) > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:33 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" > >Nathan, > >Are you saying that you're learning that I don't know everything, or that we >are all learning and therefore not expected to know everything? > >Either one looks correct to me. *grin* > >Joseph > > >On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 04:13:42PM -0400, Nathan Clark wrote: >>Dear Joe >>We are learning. You don't know everything. >> >> >>On 5/6/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>> They do. It was private enough that I hadn't noticed it. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:48:22PM -0700, Bill wrote: >>>>Might it be helpful for the nabs state presidents to have a private >>>>list like the state affiliate presidents do. This would make it >>>>easier for things like this to be sent to the people who really want to >see it. >>>>Bill VP >>>>Oregon Association of Blind Students >>>>503-768-8982 >>>>cassonw at gmail.com >>>> >>>>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mary Fernandez >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I cannot agree with Arielle more. Blind students are a minority, >>>>> and as such we should strive to help and support each other rather >>>>> than argue and accuse each other. It is true that this grant came >>>>> out, and some took advantage, some did not. It was mis-information, >>>>> or lost information. But that's not what really matters: now we >>>>> know that vital information can be lost in the list-serve, so >>>>> instead of making such a big deal out of it, lets figure out a >>>>> better way of disseminating important announcements, and there >>>>> already have been suggestions, and get on with it. This is not the >>>>> last grant for which we'll have an opportunity to apply. Next year, >>>>> we will be more aware of what is going on, and take full advantage >>>>> of it, if it is a reasonable goal for our individual state >>>>> divisions. so lets work together, and learn to learn from our >>>>> mistakes, take constructive criticism, and add it all up, so that >>>>> our individual states become stronger and better organized, thus >>>>> making our national presence also stronger. >>>>> Mary >>>>> >>>>> On 5/4/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> > Hi all, >>>>> > >>>>> > Having watched this thread unfold over the past few days, I don't >>>>> > feel it is necessary or appropriate for us to be sending emails >>>>> > back and forth with such an accusatory tone. The grant >>>>> > opportunity did go out on the list, but as others have pointed >>>>> > out, many of us simply missed it. This isn't anybody's fault but >>>>> > just something that happens on high-traffic email lists. In the >>>>> > future we may want to set up a page within the NABS website to >>>>> > post such grant opportunities, and/or repost it a few times. >>>>> > >>>>> > I also don't feel it appropriate for us to be putting down >>>>> > student divisions who knew about the grant but who didn't follow up >on it. >>>>> > This should be seen as a learning opportunity for the future >>>>> > rather than a chance to tear each other down. >>>>> > >>>>> > Our student divisions are all in existence because of the >>>>> > motivation and drive of their leaders, but as we've discussed >>>>> > frequently here and at NABS events, many of our state divisions >>>>> > are small, young, and/or struggling to establish or maintain >>>>> > basic structure. Again, much of this is just a result of being >>>>> > part of a small community, and being students. There simply >>>>> > aren't a huge number of blind students in any state, and student >>>>> > organizations in general tend to be transient at times. For these >>>>> > reasons, it can be difficult for many state divisions to get >>>>> > organized quickly enough to decide what kind of project they >>>>> > would want to do with grant funding, let alone writing a proposal >>>>> > and being able to commit to pulling it off. For example, when I >>>>> > was president of the Arizona student division we wanted to >>>>> > organize a camping/hiking trip, but we simply couldn't get enough >>>>> > students to make a commitment to participate to go forward with >>>>> > planning the logistics. In this kind of situation a grant may or >>>>> > may not have helped to bring more students into the event-money is >nice, but isn't everything. >>>>> > >>>>> > That's not to say that we should just accept inactivity from our >>>>> > student divisions, however. Let's see Joe's message as a >>>>> > challenge rather than an attack, and all go back to our states to >>>>> > decide what new projects we'd like to initiate, and make a real >>>>> > commitment to spearhead these projects. It doesn't have to be >>>>> > anything big, or even anything that requires outside funding, but >>>>> > just something new to get more students in or at least to >>>>> > motivate and inspire our existing members. >>>>> > >>>>> > Remember that the NABS board members are all here to offer >>>>> > support and guidance, and feel free to email any of us if you >>>>> > have questions, or even if you'd just like one of us to sit in on >>>>> > your next division conference call. >>>>> > >>>>> > Respectfully, >>>>> > Arielle Silverman >>>>> > First Vice-President, NABS >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On 5/5/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>>>> >> Jim, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I think it's a fair concern. There are lots of reasons why >>>>> >> students divisions may not be doing well, but if they are not, >>>>> >> we need to know about it. Certainly, Joe cannot be expected to >>>>> >> do more--and we all have our own circumstances that may reduce >>>>> >> what time we can give to the organization. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Even so, if more is needed, need to be honest with ourselves >>>>> >> about the nature of the problem or else we cannot solve it. I >>>>> >> don't know if Joe's concern is founded or not, since I can speak >>>>> >> only for Oregon. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Joseph >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 01:22:48PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >>>>> >>>Joe, >>>>> >>>I am somewhat offended by you questioning the state of the state >>>>> >>>student divisions, simply based on the poor turnout for your >>>>> >>>grant. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>I will tell you what the state of the state divisions is: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>As students we are all still learning. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>As students, we are all busy. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>We are all hear as volunteers because we want to be. We are >>>>> >>>hoping to >>>>> make >>>>> >>> a better life for ourselves and others; but, as vollenteeers, >>>>> >>> we are >>>>> not >>>>> >>> obligated to do anyuthing. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>As volunteers, not all of us will have the all the requisite >>>>> >>>skills >>>>> needed >>>>> >>> to serve our organizations, thus serving in a state division is >>>>> >>> also a learning oppertunity. It is incumbent upon national and >>>>> >>> state >>>>> leadership >>>>> >>> to make sure we have the oppertunity to learn the requisite >skills. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>So Joe, next time, instead of threatening to call people out for >>>>> >>>being lazy if they don't fill out your grant application, >>>>> >>>offer to teach us the grant writing process. If you truely >>>>> >>>think we are incapable to manage a >>>>> grant, >>>>> >>> then do something to fix that situation. Otherwise, please >>>>> >>> keep your judgemental comments to yourself. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>The state of the state divisions is not one of appathy; given >>>>> >>>the right conditions and oppertunities, it is one of desire, >>>>> >>>energy, and willingness to learn. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>Respectfully, >>>>> >>>Jim Reed >>>>> >>>President, Montana Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> >>>info for >>>>> >>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjos >>>>> eph%40gmail.com >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> >> info for >>>>> >> nabs-l: >>>>> >> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mary Fernandez >>>>> Emory University 2012 >>>>> P.O. 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It must be earned. >>>>> President Barack Obama >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjosep >>>>h%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph% >>40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu May 7 03:58:10 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:58:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Message-ID: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> Dear all: In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the bad economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears equally worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the centerpiece of its operations, it should provide its membership one more added incentive for sticking around. To that end it is my opinion that NABS should consider hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, relatively soon after the new board has been elected. There is the obvious point that the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are to stress out the board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the agenda is finalized, the sooner you can begin selling the event to prospective funders. Enter the Strategic Initiatives team. The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness student organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," but four months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what they know how to do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent marketing materials to lure the students that are not yet planning to join the division at its winter seminar, and in the case of my proposal, they need to be able to recruit the participation of organizations and companies in the fields where the membership is interested in becoming employed. There are always job fairs going on in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an organization like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living centers, Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized job fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post could not be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that of the Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be used to advertise the event on behalf of the division. The Benefits: 1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. There is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about how cool their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed from having those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your resume and how to polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next to people who wind up not listening to these speakers because they're perceived as stuck-up and full of themselves. I think they would shake off that perception if the speakers gave concrete advice on how they did things to be successful. Over time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. There is simply more room for personal dialogue. 2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted effort to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete for those positions. 3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is looking for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose students to potential employers and give them a very real means of practicing their personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive in helping its members secure future employment. On a subtle level things like job readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. Many students graduate, leave the division and do nothing more with the NFB because they never participated in chapter meetings. Integrating students into the larger movement is an ongoing process, but what better way to keep people around than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the graduates themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. 4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring them in for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase our esteemed NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk job readiness, and then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some of the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every new person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join the greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out in a way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, you should be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure that the success to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there is no reason why the student division should not begin learning how to carry its own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few years to get to a point of self-sufficiency, but things like the student annual banquet are things that could be potentially picked up by a finely cultivated sponsor. When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors one more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been able to partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a part of your activities. So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to include a question about future job aspirations. The NABS board compiles the data, and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at the helm, a database is created of businesses and organizations in the fields identified by the registered membership. The task may seem daunting, but not when you have other members in the organization in various occupations. And, contacting businesses out of the blue is not altogether a bad leadership building exercise anyway. Specific offices should be targeted in the Washington DC metropolitan area with a well-written letter that is accompanied by a small but compelling packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right amount of sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to participate even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used to create or revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all for volunteer service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends to the board would not raise too many complaints from the board members who are doing the hard work. But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to accommodate this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch to businesses so that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme of the winter seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized and ready to be taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send representatives to your job fair. Make them feel ignorant for not participating. By businesses I mean nonprofits, government agencies and corporations. Ideally they will have a national scope so that the student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely to find an opportunity back home to take advantage of. Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but second, it would set the stage for a mentoring program. I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're going to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted mentors to be recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, it helps create an avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will be teaching the mentee about a career while at the same time learning about blindness and what a blind person really is capable of doing in the workplace. The exceptions are, of course, in situations where the student wants to go into the blindness field, in which case it only makes sense that they speak to someone in that chosen profession. Second, the arrangement for the mentoring program sets up networking opportunities. In some cases the mentor may even be able to offer the mentee's name for vacancies in their office when the mentee has graduated. We want people employed. The mentoring program could be one more vehicle to move people further in that direction. Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB Link program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or not the modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program specifically for students. The initial work can be gleaned from the current registration process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make the investment in a web-based system that can match, track and promote both mentors and mentees. There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to help him or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and simultaneously promotes NABS and the NFB. This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find worth making a time or financial investment in. Here again the Strategic Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case for why Labor or some other national entity would find it beneficial to contribute services or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for the Blind about how their system might be integrated into this proposal. They're going to be just as interested in a good case for why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not assume that just because an organization does work for the blind that they have to do anything with or for you. Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these are ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A convention will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a good public relations campaign that should attract the right level of interest from businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could work better at the state level because creating a curriculum for the program that involves face-to-face meetings between the mentors could be more feasible, though national planning should not overlook the means to bring mentors to the National Convention to get the full depth of what the NFB stands for. In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an initiative is beyond the scope of the student division. I think the argument is without foundation. There are scores of blind people who leave the division to take on a myriad of careers. The problem is that the number is not high enough. We need more students out there with a good job that is not always related to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how to be productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic training ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. We often tell students that there is not going to be a DSS office in their future place of employment and that they should begin to learn how to be independent. True, but there is always going to be an NFB, and if we can begin to cultivate a sense of loyalty to the NFB by way of a proactive student division that plays a major role in job readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able to thank the NFB for the success they achieve and be more likely to stick around and help younger students coming up behind them. I am of course willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success of that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring program that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, start putting people to work in their chosen field. Education students can work with the Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers for teachers of blind students. Business administration and marketing students can be put to work writing grant proposals, business plans and strategic plans that analyze current strategies and make projections for future improvement. Math students could be enhancing a wiki project to show teachers and students alike how it might be possible for a blind student to excel in required and specialized math and engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be heavily involved in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to push the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for all his posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS podcast? The point is, people are more likely to help you if you give them the capacity to do something they would have been doing anyway. If you can build NABS so that students use the organization to complete classroom projects, there is a win/win situation for both the student's grade and the improvement of the organization. Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play tiddlywinks for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the goal, the longer the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, and the more objectives necessary to accomplish the goals, the more likely it is to learn how to use all those objectives for the benefit of other goals in the future. People should not think of how difficult it would be to put on a job fair and mentoring program. People should be thinking about how the steps involved in preparing for the job fair and mentoring program can help with the preparation of student seminars, fundraising campaigns and general membership recruitment, all of which will be addressed in future installments. To be continued... Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From freespirit328 at gmail.com Thu May 7 05:27:16 2009 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:27:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue Message-ID: <8A63357754FD45E2BF9203AB45A20C69@Gateway> Hi all, My Stream didn't charge. I plugged the AC adapter into the wall and the other end into the stream, and after four and a half hours of supposedly charging, it died on m only a few minutes after I turned it on. What's that all about? Is it supposed to make noise or something to indicate that it's charging? If so, it didn't do that. I thought maybe I didn't push the jack far enough into the stream, but that's not the problem; it's pushed in as far as it will go. Jen Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com Get healthy! http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com Contact me: Jennifer Aberdeen PO Box 1184 Woonsocket, RI 02895 401-762-3258 (home) 401-644-5607 (cell) freespirit328 at gmail.com SKYPE: J.Aberdeen From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:11:05 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:11:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue References: <8A63357754FD45E2BF9203AB45A20C69@Gateway> Message-ID: Jennifer, Probably stupid question, but do you have the other end of the adapter plugged into the wall? When you have the stream turned on, it makes I believe an ascending sound when you plugged in the adaptor and a descending sound when you unplug it. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" To: "NABS-L" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue > Hi all, > > My Stream didn't charge. I plugged the AC adapter into the wall and the > other end into the stream, and after four and a half hours of supposedly > charging, it died on m only a few minutes after I turned it on. What's > that all about? Is it supposed to make noise or something to indicate that > it's charging? If so, it didn't do that. I thought maybe I didn't push the > jack far enough into the stream, but that's not the problem; it's pushed > in as far as it will go. > > Jen > > Shop my AVON online store > http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com > > Get healthy! > http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com > > Contact me: > > Jennifer Aberdeen > PO Box 1184 > Woonsocket, RI 02895 > 401-762-3258 (home) > 401-644-5607 (cell) > freespirit328 at gmail.com > SKYPE: J.Aberdeen > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:22:39 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:22:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue In-Reply-To: References: <8A63357754FD45E2BF9203AB45A20C69@Gateway> Message-ID: <924E96583E9049959F0EF2A510CA810D@sarahd0fffdcf6> She did say if I recall that she did have it plugged in. Try runninng it with out the battery in and see if it will even turn on? Also feel for wormth from the plug in the wall. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dezman Jackson Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue Jennifer, Probably stupid question, but do you have the other end of the adapter plugged into the wall? When you have the stream turned on, it makes I believe an ascending sound when you plugged in the adaptor and a descending sound when you unplug it. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" To: "NABS-L" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue > Hi all, > > My Stream didn't charge. I plugged the AC adapter into the wall and the > other end into the stream, and after four and a half hours of supposedly > charging, it died on m only a few minutes after I turned it on. What's > that all about? Is it supposed to make noise or something to indicate that > it's charging? If so, it didn't do that. I thought maybe I didn't push the > jack far enough into the stream, but that's not the problem; it's pushed > in as far as it will go. > > Jen > > Shop my AVON online store > http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com > > Get healthy! > http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com > > Contact me: > > Jennifer Aberdeen > PO Box 1184 > Woonsocket, RI 02895 > 401-762-3258 (home) > 401-644-5607 (cell) > freespirit328 at gmail.com > SKYPE: J.Aberdeen > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gma il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:29:12 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:29:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> References: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> Message-ID: <001321D88C7B4C298C2B49965C279CC6@sarahd0fffdcf6> I'm by no means as elequent as you when it comes to proposing ideas but I do agree. I will hopefully be finishing colledge soon, If I can aford it, and I'm scared as the imployment rate for music teachers is rapidly declining. I really do not wqant to change my major, again I want to get out in the work field but I don't know what to do if I end up not getting a job right away when I finish colledge. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:58 PM To: 'Arizona Students'; 'California Students'; 'Colorado Center'; 'Colorado Students'; 'Florida Students'; 'Illinois Students'; 'Kansas Students'; 'Kentucky Students'; 'Louisiana Students'; 'Michigan'; 'Minnesota Students'; 'Missouri'; 'National'; 'Nebraska'; 'New Hampshire Students'; 'New Jersey Students'; 'North Carolina Students'; 'Ohio'; 'Pennsylvania'; 'Presidents'; 'TABS Students'; 'Tennessee Students'; 'Utah Students'; 'Virginia Students' Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Dear all: In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the bad economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears equally worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the centerpiece of its operations, it should provide its membership one more added incentive for sticking around. To that end it is my opinion that NABS should consider hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, relatively soon after the new board has been elected. There is the obvious point that the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are to stress out the board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the agenda is finalized, the sooner you can begin selling the event to prospective funders. Enter the Strategic Initiatives team. The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness student organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," but four months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what they know how to do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent marketing materials to lure the students that are not yet planning to join the division at its winter seminar, and in the case of my proposal, they need to be able to recruit the participation of organizations and companies in the fields where the membership is interested in becoming employed. There are always job fairs going on in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an organization like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living centers, Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized job fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post could not be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that of the Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be used to advertise the event on behalf of the division. The Benefits: 1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. There is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about how cool their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed from having those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your resume and how to polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next to people who wind up not listening to these speakers because they're perceived as stuck-up and full of themselves. I think they would shake off that perception if the speakers gave concrete advice on how they did things to be successful. Over time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. There is simply more room for personal dialogue. 2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted effort to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete for those positions. 3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is looking for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose students to potential employers and give them a very real means of practicing their personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive in helping its members secure future employment. On a subtle level things like job readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. Many students graduate, leave the division and do nothing more with the NFB because they never participated in chapter meetings. Integrating students into the larger movement is an ongoing process, but what better way to keep people around than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the graduates themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. 4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring them in for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase our esteemed NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk job readiness, and then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some of the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every new person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join the greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out in a way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, you should be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure that the success to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there is no reason why the student division should not begin learning how to carry its own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few years to get to a point of self-sufficiency, but things like the student annual banquet are things that could be potentially picked up by a finely cultivated sponsor. When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors one more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been able to partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a part of your activities. So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to include a question about future job aspirations. The NABS board compiles the data, and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at the helm, a database is created of businesses and organizations in the fields identified by the registered membership. The task may seem daunting, but not when you have other members in the organization in various occupations. And, contacting businesses out of the blue is not altogether a bad leadership building exercise anyway. Specific offices should be targeted in the Washington DC metropolitan area with a well-written letter that is accompanied by a small but compelling packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right amount of sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to participate even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used to create or revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all for volunteer service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends to the board would not raise too many complaints from the board members who are doing the hard work. But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to accommodate this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch to businesses so that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme of the winter seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized and ready to be taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send representatives to your job fair. Make them feel ignorant for not participating. By businesses I mean nonprofits, government agencies and corporations. Ideally they will have a national scope so that the student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely to find an opportunity back home to take advantage of. Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but second, it would set the stage for a mentoring program. I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're going to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted mentors to be recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, it helps create an avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will be teaching the mentee about a career while at the same time learning about blindness and what a blind person really is capable of doing in the workplace. The exceptions are, of course, in situations where the student wants to go into the blindness field, in which case it only makes sense that they speak to someone in that chosen profession. Second, the arrangement for the mentoring program sets up networking opportunities. In some cases the mentor may even be able to offer the mentee's name for vacancies in their office when the mentee has graduated. We want people employed. The mentoring program could be one more vehicle to move people further in that direction. Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB Link program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or not the modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program specifically for students. The initial work can be gleaned from the current registration process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make the investment in a web-based system that can match, track and promote both mentors and mentees. There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to help him or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and simultaneously promotes NABS and the NFB. This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find worth making a time or financial investment in. Here again the Strategic Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case for why Labor or some other national entity would find it beneficial to contribute services or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for the Blind about how their system might be integrated into this proposal. They're going to be just as interested in a good case for why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not assume that just because an organization does work for the blind that they have to do anything with or for you. Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these are ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A convention will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a good public relations campaign that should attract the right level of interest from businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could work better at the state level because creating a curriculum for the program that involves face-to-face meetings between the mentors could be more feasible, though national planning should not overlook the means to bring mentors to the National Convention to get the full depth of what the NFB stands for. In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an initiative is beyond the scope of the student division. I think the argument is without foundation. There are scores of blind people who leave the division to take on a myriad of careers. The problem is that the number is not high enough. We need more students out there with a good job that is not always related to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how to be productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic training ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. We often tell students that there is not going to be a DSS office in their future place of employment and that they should begin to learn how to be independent. True, but there is always going to be an NFB, and if we can begin to cultivate a sense of loyalty to the NFB by way of a proactive student division that plays a major role in job readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able to thank the NFB for the success they achieve and be more likely to stick around and help younger students coming up behind them. I am of course willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success of that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring program that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, start putting people to work in their chosen field. Education students can work with the Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers for teachers of blind students. Business administration and marketing students can be put to work writing grant proposals, business plans and strategic plans that analyze current strategies and make projections for future improvement. Math students could be enhancing a wiki project to show teachers and students alike how it might be possible for a blind student to excel in required and specialized math and engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be heavily involved in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to push the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for all his posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS podcast? The point is, people are more likely to help you if you give them the capacity to do something they would have been doing anyway. If you can build NABS so that students use the organization to complete classroom projects, there is a win/win situation for both the student's grade and the improvement of the organization. Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play tiddlywinks for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the goal, the longer the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, and the more objectives necessary to accomplish the goals, the more likely it is to learn how to use all those objectives for the benefit of other goals in the future. People should not think of how difficult it would be to put on a job fair and mentoring program. People should be thinking about how the steps involved in preparing for the job fair and mentoring program can help with the preparation of student seminars, fundraising campaigns and general membership recruitment, all of which will be addressed in future installments. To be continued... Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:30:02 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:30:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Pre-registration for National Convention In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B91DF25D1AC4783BEC2DC00AE98BA25@sarahd0fffdcf6> Question, what if I preregister but something comes up and I don't end up going at all? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Wilson,Joanne (by way of David Andrews ) Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:09 PM To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Pre-registration for National Convention Attention Conventioneers: The early bird gets more than the worm when pre-registering for the national convention! Registering in advance will help you avoid never-ending lines, will give you more time to get involved in action-packed convention activities, and will save you some cash. Visit by May 31 to complete the easy registration process. Hope to see you in Detroit... but not in the registration lines! Joanne Wilson _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From freespirit328 at gmail.com Thu May 7 06:39:51 2009 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 02:39:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue References: <8A63357754FD45E2BF9203AB45A20C69@Gateway> Message-ID: Hi Desmon Yes, it is plugged into the wall. I did here a sound when it was on, but that was before I plugged the other end into the Stream.. I didn't hear anything afterwords. Jen Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com Get healthy! http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com Contact me: Jennifer Aberdeen PO Box 1184 Woonsocket, RI 02895 401-762-3258 (home) 401-644-5607 (cell) freespirit328 at gmail.com SKYPE: J.Aberdeen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue > Jennifer, > > Probably stupid question, but do you have the other end of the adapter > plugged into the wall? When you have the stream turned on, it makes I > believe an ascending sound when you plugged in the adaptor and a > descending sound when you unplug it. > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" > To: "NABS-L" > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:27 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Reader Stream issue > > >> Hi all, >> >> My Stream didn't charge. I plugged the AC adapter into the wall and the >> other end into the stream, and after four and a half hours of supposedly >> charging, it died on m only a few minutes after I turned it on. What's >> that all about? Is it supposed to make noise or something to indicate >> that it's charging? If so, it didn't do that. I thought maybe I didn't >> push the jack far enough into the stream, but that's not the problem; >> it's pushed in as far as it will go. >> >> Jen >> >> Shop my AVON online store >> http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com >> >> Get healthy! >> http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com >> >> Contact me: >> >> Jennifer Aberdeen >> PO Box 1184 >> Woonsocket, RI 02895 >> 401-762-3258 (home) >> 401-644-5607 (cell) >> freespirit328 at gmail.com >> SKYPE: J.Aberdeen >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 07:58:34 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 00:58:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] establishing expectations In-Reply-To: <20090504045431.25826.73641@web3.serotek.com> References: <20090504045431.25826.73641@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <20090507075834.GH77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jedi, You have to know something about Monmouth and Eugene for this one to make total sense, but the weirdest situation I've had to deal with involves me walking along 99 here in Monmouth. It's a partly sunny day in the Pacific Northwest, and of course when the sun's out, I can't see squat. So I'm walking along and I shore up my cane because I can hear someone walking toward me. I don't see him. He stops suddenly, steps widely apart, blocking the sidewalk, and he shouts, "NOBODY BELIEVES YOUR LIES, MAN!" Capital W T F. So I know I'm looking at this guy like he's insane, and the clouds cover the sun and I can now see what he looks like. You guessed it: Long hair, a beard fuller than my own, tie die t-shirt, and khaki colored shorts. He weighed about 300lb, and he was about 5 foot 8 or so. I just stared at him. He kinda moved a little, and I walked past him, shaking my head. Like I said, this is Monmouth. This guy looked like he was right out of Eugene, and like he'd been using too many interesting chemicals. Joseph On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 12:54:31AM -0400, Jedi wrote: > Jim and All: > > I agree with arielle that using a white cane can offer explanations so > we don't have to. I also believe that the use of the long cane can also > limit the amount of mortifying accidents we might have For example, dr. > Maurer tells of the time when he took a fall into a river while walking > a foot bridge he couldn't see. He says that, had he used a white cane, > that wouldn't have been an issue. Before I started to use a white cane, > I was often confused. I'd run into plastic life-sized clothing models > and think they were real people and apologize. Some of us have taken > trips down stairs when lighting and contrast conditions don't meet our > needs. Many more of us have ran into people just outside our visual > range. Using the white cane and mobility skills prevents all of these > and allows us to travel more gracefully and confidently. For those of us > with vision, the white cane allows us to use our vision more > efficiently. Bottom line: the white cane really makes a difference both > on a social level and on a practical level. > > I would disagree with Arielle on only one point. It has been my > experience that sighted people react to the cane in a variety of ways > except just plain acceptance. In my small town, people are often curious > and are sometimes rude about it. Many people part like the red sea when I > go walking. I think the fact of less exposure makes a difference. Perhaps > sighted people are more accustomed to blind people in towns where there > are more of us. For example, blind people are nearly common place in > seattle and vancouver where our populations are largest. In towns like > these, blind people are less likely to be harassed or picked out of a > crowd. small towns like mine see only elderly blind people who don't get > out much or who use paratransit. I don't think sighted people inherently > accept us or are non-accepting of us. I think a large part of a sighted > person's acceptance (white cane or not) is a matter of exposure and > common sense on all of our parts. That's just my opinion for what it's > worth. > Original message: >> Hi Jim and all, > >> You raise some important questions about how we can interact most >> appropriately with members of the sighted community. While I don’t >> have firsthand experience with the amount of usable vision you have, I >> do have a great deal of experience using a long white cane (the “big >> white stick” you mention) and I can say with confidence that using a >> cane, regardless of how much vision you have, will enable your >> interactions with sighted people to run much more smoothly and >> gracefully. When you walk with a white cane you can not only move >> about more confidently (and not have to trail walls, etc.) but it is >> clear to everyone around you that you are blind, and that for example >> you might bump into a silent object that is above cane level or that >> you won’t be able to follow directions given by pointing, etc. The >> cane does a lot of the talking for you so you don’t have to have a >> direct conversation about how you want/need to be treated. That said, >> there still are some things that might have to be explained/taught >> (like the best way to give directions, not dragging us around by the >> arm, etc.) but those conversations can be had on an as-needed basis, >> and aren’t necessary every time we meet someone new. > >> I also think that keeping a relaxed attitude and not worrying too much >> about what the sighted think of us goes a long way toward establishing >> true integration. Blindness-related accidents can be embarrassing, but >> usually don’t give as bad of an impression as we often fear. Remember >> that sighted people run into things, too, and that under the right >> circumstances a little mishap can be funny rather than mortifying. > >> On a related note, it’s worth pointing out that we as blind people >> usually think a lot more about blindness than the sighted people >> around us do, since we live with it all the time. If we can learn to >> believe that blindness isn’t a big deal and that it doesn’t >> fundamentally change our interactions, the sighted people in our lives >> will get that same message and blindness can become irrelevant in a >> lot of situations. I recently started going out with a sighted guy for >> the first time in my life, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised to >> discover that, other than the fact that we can drive places rather >> than taking cabs or the bus, my relationship with him really isn’t any >> different than the relationships I’ve had with blind guys in the past. >> Obviously this speaks to the fact that he has a positive philosophy >> about blindness in order to be interested in dating me, but it also >> indicates that I’ve been able to let it go and not give much thought >> to blindness in our interactions. Same goes for my colleagues, >> teachers and students in grad school—as long as I can pull my weight >> and live up to my responsibilities, blindness plays only a minor role >> in my interactions with those people as well. > >> I’ll add that I haven’t always felt this integrated in the sighted >> world and I still regularly have times when I feel like the odd blind >> outsider. But, learning from other blind people in the NFB and >> perfecting my use of blindness skills and techniques has definitely >> enabled me to have these kinds of relationships with sighted folks. By >> using a long cane routinely, we can get from place to place in a way >> that draws minimal unwanted attention and that enables us to be as >> independent as the people around us. > >> Cheers >> Arielle > > >> On 5/2/09, Jim Reed wrote: >>> Hello all, > >>> First, Sorry about the subject title; I'm not really sure how to classify >>> this question. > >>> Here goes: >>> When you meet a new person (either in your personal or proffessional life), >>> and you expect to have multiple encounters/interactions with this person, >>> how do you approach letting this person know what to expect from you? In >>> other words, to compensate for my blindness, I have developed certian >>> behavioral tendancies that may seem odd to the "normal" person (dragging a >>> hand along the wall, and following people (rather than walking next to >>> them). Also, there are the blindness-related accidents (running into >>> someone, running into furniture etc). > >>> This may not be an issue for those of you carrying a big white stick, but >>> for those of use who don't, I'm sure society views our behaviors as odd, or >>> worse yet, as drunk. So, my question is, how do you explain these behaviors >>> to a new boss, colleegue, or friend, so that they understand what is going >>> on, and dont become offended, confused, or "weirded out" by your actions? Or >>> do you even bother to explain at all? > >>> I generally don't bother to explain these things when I meet new people, but >>> sometimes I wonder how many possible friends I have lost as a result of them >>> not understanding whats going on. > >>> Thanks, >>> Jim > >>> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > REspectfully, > Jedi > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 08:11:25 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 01:11:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" In-Reply-To: References: <4AA29CB920A74CEDBCC20D365A08342A@Rufus> <20090506013837.GC65990@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20090507081125.GI77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Albert, May I suggest that perhaps one of the reasons why blind people sometimes have a hard time finding employment is that they have not been given, or have not been willing to take, constructive criticism? Like it or not, people do judge based on their perceptions. As I said, the most common way for sighted people to get this feedback is through interpretation of visual feedback cues. A blind person, by definition, isn't going to do that successfully. Without a lot of skill that just doesn't come naturally to most (and for which I have found no teaching strategies even though I am convinced it can be taught and learned), we are at a disadvantage. Unless we seek out constructive criticism in a form we can access it. That means verbally. Do that or not; it's your choice. I have made mine to reduce the personal disadvantage sometimes at the expense of a little pride. Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 10:10:58PM -0400, Albert Yoo wrote: > >Joseph Carter, I don't think people want to listen to whatever criticism people want to give each other. Even if some one is sighted it doesn't matter. People don't want to listen to feedback or criticism. It is just people think their opinions are better than the next person. People just have to think of different ways of saying things so it won't sound like criticism. Not all criticism and feedback is all bad. Albert > >> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:37 -0700 >> From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The "state of the student divisions" >> >> Joe, >> >> I hope that you're right about me knowing where my weaknesses lie. I >> think as a culture we are moving toward the notion that we just >> cannot give or receive constructive criticism. Everyone's too afraid >> to bruise an ego or risk compromising self-esteem. It's not a >> blindness thing, it's a society thing. >> >> The problem is that we blind people can't afford to do that. We just >> do not have the luxury if we are going to compete with the sighted >> world on terms of equality. The reason for that is simple and >> obvious: Blindness is a disability. By definition it means there is >> something we don't do--even if that something is as non-essential as >> being able to see. >> >> A lot of things are understood and conveyed in the sighted world >> visually. They don't offer useful constructive criticism, they just >> give you a look you're supposed to interpret as "You're doing it >> wrong" and magically figure out how to do it right. Well, that's >> really unfair to the blind, because we're not going to see the >> unspoken criticism. It's there all the same, we just don't respond >> to it correctly. >> >> No, we need people to have the courage to actually speak up and tell >> us constructively when we're doing something that sets us apart or >> draws negative social attention to ourselves. When someone offers us >> constructive criticism and we know that we can trust their viewpoint, >> it seems imperative to me that we cultivate that person's courage and >> trust in doing so. The benefit can be direct and immediate, if we >> take what that person says to heart. >> >> Honest feedback tells us our strengths and our weaknesses. Along >> with some creativity, we can use the former to compensate for the >> latter--we all have some notion of doing that by virtue of adapting >> to blindness. The really creative will find a way to make their >> weaknesses into strengths. >> >> An example of this last point, last week I met a speaker who has >> ADHD. And I mean she has ADHD bad. It's so clear she has it that >> it's not even funny. And were she doing any other job, it'd impede >> her ability. Doing what she does, and given the cognitive >> development she gave herself, she managed to turn what in extremis is >> a significant disability and make it her strength. We can do the >> same, if we work at it. >> >> Random thoughts. Sorry for my own ADHD-like moment. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 01:07:43AM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >> >Hello all, >> > >> >Grants are mistakenly seen as just free money to sponsor an activity. >> >People overlook the value grants provide to help groups organize themselves >> >to make the activity work. There are many benefits to learning how to >> >clearly define your mission, how to explain your community need, to spell >> >out how your group is making an impact... Grants, if nothing else, help >> >people learn about drafting and managing a budget. In general, there is no >> >greater exercise in teamwork than in the preparation of putting together a >> >proposal. For my office I will say we are far more interested in your >> >complete story than we are in the perfection of your proposal. >> > >> >I do not at all buy the argument that some divisions are too young to apply >> >for grants. Divisions are formed because the affiliate felt there was a >> >sufficient number of people and a sufficient need to allow the student >> >division to be established. If neither factor is present, it is okay to >> >have a group of students minus the formality of a student division. There >> >are plenty of benefits to an informal group, but at the point a division is >> >formed, the students are saying they want to be taken seriously as an >> >organization. As such they should be treated like an organization. To >> >expect anything less is to say we are okay with forming divisions for the >> >sake of forming divisions. People are quick to be fascinated with the >> >notion of becoming president of this or treasurer of that but are not very >> >amused when the pressures of these positions come to bear. >> > >> >Yes, even fully developed divisions face their own troubles with recruitment >> >and retention. I would never claim the work is easy, but the greatest >> >obstacle you have to overcome is taking the first step. If you need help, >> >ask for help. If you don't get the answers you want, keep raising hell. >> >Pick up a phone. Don't give up if your e-mail is not answered. You know >> >there's a NABS board. They keep talking about regional representatives. >> >Make them work. That's why they ran for their positions, to be put to work >> >for your benefit. >> > >> >I completely respect Oregon, because Joseph Carter understands where his >> >weaknesses lie and is carrying out a plan to address those weaknesses. I >> >don't hear Joseph bitching about how things are just so hard. Students from >> >California and Michigan have written me off list asking how they might be >> >better prepared for the next opportunity. They weren't somewhat offended by >> >my tone. They took their rebuke and are using the opportunity to do >> >something to improve their status. They and others understand there are >> >enough examples of the good things that can happen in state divisions when >> >students decide to quit whining and start acting. The founders of >> >Invisible Children were nothing more than a few guys with a camera, and now >> >they lead one of the most influential grassroots organizations benefiting >> >children who are on a completely different continent, and they were students >> >when they began their venture. Don't give me this nonsense that as students >> >we're too busy to do anything of substance. >> > >> >Here's the interesting point I have not seen anyone mention. I have told >> >you I was disappointed in you for not applying for one of our grants. I >> >told you in my most recent opportunity announcement that I did not want you >> >to let me down a second time, but consider this thought: Who am I to tell >> >you to do anything? What if you were so confident in your ability to do >> >great things that you could write to me publicly and say, "Screw you. I >> >don't need your stupid grant to kick ass!" >> > >> >Think about it... >> > >> >Joe Orozco >> > >> >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >> >crowd."--Max Lucado >> > >> > >> >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> >database 4052 (20090504) __________ >> > >> >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> >http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >nabs-l mailing list >> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/albertyoo1%40hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Hotmail® goes with you. >http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Mobile1_052009 >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Thu May 7 09:02:40 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 02:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts Message-ID: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS We are deeply concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this essential service. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: petition.rtf Type: application/msword Size: 1775 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 10:12:01 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:12:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> References: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> Message-ID: <20090507101201.GJ77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Joe, I like the plan, but I am concerned about the question of stipends. I have seen within the organization claims that leadership comes with lots of perks and that people who have the perks seem to expect a lot out of rank and file members that they don't put forward themselves. I have no problem with paying board members' expenses associated with performing their duties. A stipend to be used at the officers' discretion, no matter how carefully budgeted, seems to go a little too far. Otherwise, I see little in your plan I would want to change. Maybe a bit of the detail around how the organization raises money to help support itself, but they're minor details. And when you reconsider a run for the presidency and get elected, I'll be happy to sit down and discuss them with you at length. *grin* Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:58:10PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all: > >In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the bad >economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears equally >worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the centerpiece of its >operations, it should provide its membership one more added incentive for >sticking around. To that end it is my opinion that NABS should consider >hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. > >In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, relatively >soon after the new board has been elected. There is the obvious point that >the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are to stress out the >board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the agenda is finalized, the >sooner you can begin selling the event to prospective funders. Enter the >Strategic Initiatives team. > >The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to >create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness student >organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," but four >months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what they know how to >do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent marketing materials >to lure the students that are not yet planning to join the division at its >winter seminar, and in the case of my proposal, they need to be able to >recruit the participation of organizations and companies in the fields where >the membership is interested in becoming employed. There are always job >fairs going on in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an >organization like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living >centers, Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area >universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized job >fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post could not >be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that of the >Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be used to >advertise the event on behalf of the division. > >The Benefits: > >1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. There >is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about how cool >their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed from having >those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your resume and how to >polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next to people who wind up >not listening to these speakers because they're perceived as stuck-up and >full of themselves. I think they would shake off that perception if the >speakers gave concrete advice on how they did things to be successful. Over >time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. >There is simply more room for personal dialogue. > >2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. >DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted effort >to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete for those >positions. > >3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is looking >for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose students to >potential employers and give them a very real means of practicing their >personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive in helping its >members secure future employment. On a subtle level things like job >readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. Many students graduate, >leave the division and do nothing more with the NFB because they never >participated in chapter meetings. Integrating students into the larger >movement is an ongoing process, but what better way to keep people around >than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? >The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the graduates >themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. > >4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a >reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for >reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring them in >for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase our esteemed >NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk job readiness, and >then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. >The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout >sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some of >the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with >carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every new >person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join the >greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. >Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out in a >way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, you should >be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure that the success >to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. > >Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there is no >reason why the student division should not begin learning how to carry its >own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few years to get to a >point of self-sufficiency, but things like the student annual banquet are >things that could be potentially picked up by a finely cultivated sponsor. >When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors one >more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been able to >partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a part of your >activities. > >So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to include a >question about future job aspirations. The NABS board compiles the data, >and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at the helm, a database is >created of businesses and organizations in the fields identified by the >registered membership. The task may seem daunting, but not when you have >other members in the organization in various occupations. And, contacting >businesses out of the blue is not altogether a bad leadership building >exercise anyway. Specific offices should be targeted in the Washington DC >metropolitan area with a well-written letter that is accompanied by a small >but compelling packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right >amount of sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature >these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. >In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to participate >even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used to create or >revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all for volunteer >service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends to the board would >not raise too many complaints from the board members who are doing the hard >work. > >But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to accommodate >this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch to businesses so >that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme of the winter >seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized and ready to be >taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send representatives to your job >fair. Make them feel ignorant for not participating. By businesses I mean >nonprofits, government agencies and corporations. Ideally they will have a >national scope so that the student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely >to find an opportunity back home to take advantage of. > >Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. >First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but second, it >would set the stage for a mentoring program. > >I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by >current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals >happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the >program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're going >to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted mentors to be >recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, it helps create an >avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will be teaching the mentee >about a career while at the same time learning about blindness and what a >blind person really is capable of doing in the workplace. The exceptions >are, of course, in situations where the student wants to go into the >blindness field, in which case it only makes sense that they speak to >someone in that chosen profession. Second, the arrangement for the >mentoring program sets up networking opportunities. In some cases the >mentor may even be able to offer the mentee's name for vacancies in their >office when the mentee has graduated. We want people employed. The >mentoring program could be one more vehicle to move people further in that >direction. > >Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB Link >program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or not the >modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program specifically for >students. The initial work can be gleaned from the current registration >process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make the investment in a >web-based system that can match, track and promote both mentors and mentees. >There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right >people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to help him >or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and simultaneously >promotes NABS and the NFB. > >This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find worth >making a time or financial investment in. Here again the Strategic >Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case for why Labor or >some other national entity would find it beneficial to contribute services >or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for the Blind about how their >system might be integrated into this proposal. They're going to be just as >interested in a good case for why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not >assume that just because an organization does work for the blind that they >have to do anything with or for you. > >Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these are >ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the >Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A convention >will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a good public >relations campaign that should attract the right level of interest from >businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could work better at the >state level because creating a curriculum for the program that involves >face-to-face meetings between the mentors could be more feasible, though >national planning should not overlook the means to bring mentors to the >National Convention to get the full depth of what the NFB stands for. > >In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be >addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an initiative is >beyond the scope of the student division. I think the argument is without >foundation. There are scores of blind people who leave the division to take >on a myriad of careers. The problem is that the number is not high enough. >We need more students out there with a good job that is not always related >to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how to be >productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic training >ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. We often tell >students that there is not going to be a DSS office in their future place of >employment and that they should begin to learn how to be independent. True, >but there is always going to be an NFB, and if we can begin to cultivate a >sense of loyalty to the NFB by way of a proactive student division that >plays a major role in job readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able >to thank the NFB for the success they achieve and be more likely to stick >around and help younger students coming up behind them. I am of course >willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. > >The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success of >that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring program >that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, start putting >people to work in their chosen field. Education students can work with the >Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers for teachers of blind >students. Business administration and marketing students can be put to work >writing grant proposals, business plans and strategic plans that analyze >current strategies and make projections for future improvement. Math >students could be enhancing a wiki project to show teachers and students >alike how it might be possible for a blind student to excel in required and >specialized math and engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be >heavily involved in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. >Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and >execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology >students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to push >the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for all his >posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS podcast? The >point is, people are more likely to help you if you give them the capacity >to do something they would have been doing anyway. If you can build NABS so >that students use the organization to complete classroom projects, there is >a win/win situation for both the student's grade and the improvement of the >organization. > >Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create >legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play tiddlywinks >for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the goal, the longer >the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, and the more objectives >necessary to accomplish the goals, the more likely it is to learn how to use >all those objectives for the benefit of other goals in the future. People >should not think of how difficult it would be to put on a job fair and >mentoring program. People should be thinking about how the steps involved >in preparing for the job fair and mentoring program can help with the >preparation of student seminars, fundraising campaigns and general >membership recruitment, all of which will be addressed in future >installments. > >To be continued... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4054 (20090505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 10:15:12 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:15:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts In-Reply-To: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090507101512.GK77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm seriously asking. Joseph On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >We are deeply >concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >essential service. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From fowlers at syix.com Thu May 7 13:16:02 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 06:16:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20090507101201.GJ77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> <20090507101201.GJ77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <47A3C568431A4B81BD7B666CBE82D72B@angelab> Joe, I agree with Joseph (see, I'm learning GRIN) about the stipend issue. Paying expenses is only right, but if we start giving folks cash, well, we've all seen how well that has worked with the government. If people serve because they want too, because they love the cause and have a servant's heart, they will throw everything they can into it. If they serve because "Hell, I get an extra $50... $100... Whatever it is, and I sure need the money," they might not throw as much into it. Also someone will inevitably propose that the stipend be raised. This is hard work after all! Its hard to vote objectively when your own pocket book is involved. Other than that, as I've said on another list, are you going to publish this some place? I'd like my own state division to use a good lot of this. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:12 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Joe, I like the plan, but I am concerned about the question of stipends. I have seen within the organization claims that leadership comes with lots of perks and that people who have the perks seem to expect a lot out of rank and file members that they don't put forward themselves. I have no problem with paying board members' expenses associated with performing their duties. A stipend to be used at the officers' discretion, no matter how carefully budgeted, seems to go a little too far. Otherwise, I see little in your plan I would want to change. Maybe a bit of the detail around how the organization raises money to help support itself, but they're minor details. And when you reconsider a run for the presidency and get elected, I'll be happy to sit down and discuss them with you at length. *grin* Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:58:10PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all: > >In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the >bad economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears >equally worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the >centerpiece of its operations, it should provide its membership one >more added incentive for sticking around. To that end it is my opinion >that NABS should consider hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. > >In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, >relatively soon after the new board has been elected. There is the >obvious point that the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are >to stress out the board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the >agenda is finalized, the sooner you can begin selling the event to >prospective funders. Enter the Strategic Initiatives team. > >The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to >create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness >student organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," >but four months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what >they know how to do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent >marketing materials to lure the students that are not yet planning to >join the division at its winter seminar, and in the case of my >proposal, they need to be able to recruit the participation of >organizations and companies in the fields where the membership is >interested in becoming employed. There are always job fairs going on >in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an organization >like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living centers, >Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area >universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized >job fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post >could not be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that >of the Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be used to advertise the event on behalf of the division. > >The Benefits: > >1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. >There is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about >how cool their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed >from having those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your >resume and how to polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next >to people who wind up not listening to these speakers because they're >perceived as stuck-up and full of themselves. I think they would shake >off that perception if the speakers gave concrete advice on how they >did things to be successful. Over time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. >There is simply more room for personal dialogue. > >2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. >DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted >effort to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete >for those positions. > >3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is >looking for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose >students to potential employers and give them a very real means of >practicing their personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive >in helping its members secure future employment. On a subtle level >things like job readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. >Many students graduate, leave the division and do nothing more with the >NFB because they never participated in chapter meetings. Integrating >students into the larger movement is an ongoing process, but what >better way to keep people around than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? >The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the >graduates themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. > >4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a >reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for >reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring >them in for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase >our esteemed NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk >job readiness, and then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. >The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout >sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some >of the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with >carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every >new person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join >the greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. >Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out >in a way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, >you should be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure >that the success to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. > >Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there >is no reason why the student division should not begin learning how to >carry its own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few >years to get to a point of self-sufficiency, but things like the >student annual banquet are things that could be potentially picked up by a finely cultivated sponsor. >When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors >one more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been >able to partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a >part of your activities. > >So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to >include a question about future job aspirations. The NABS board >compiles the data, and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at >the helm, a database is created of businesses and organizations in the >fields identified by the registered membership. The task may seem >daunting, but not when you have other members in the organization in >various occupations. And, contacting businesses out of the blue is not >altogether a bad leadership building exercise anyway. Specific offices >should be targeted in the Washington DC metropolitan area with a >well-written letter that is accompanied by a small but compelling >packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right amount of >sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. >In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to >participate even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used >to create or revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all >for volunteer service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends >to the board would not raise too many complaints from the board members >who are doing the hard work. > >But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to >accommodate this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch >to businesses so that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme >of the winter seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized >and ready to be taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send >representatives to your job fair. Make them feel ignorant for not >participating. By businesses I mean nonprofits, government agencies >and corporations. Ideally they will have a national scope so that the >student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely to find an opportunity back home to take advantage of. > >Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. >First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but >second, it would set the stage for a mentoring program. > >I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by >current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals >happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the >program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're >going to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted >mentors to be recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, >it helps create an avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will >be teaching the mentee about a career while at the same time learning >about blindness and what a blind person really is capable of doing in >the workplace. The exceptions are, of course, in situations where the >student wants to go into the blindness field, in which case it only >makes sense that they speak to someone in that chosen profession. >Second, the arrangement for the mentoring program sets up networking >opportunities. In some cases the mentor may even be able to offer the >mentee's name for vacancies in their office when the mentee has >graduated. We want people employed. The mentoring program could be >one more vehicle to move people further in that direction. > >Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB >Link program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or >not the modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program >specifically for students. The initial work can be gleaned from the >current registration process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make >the investment in a web-based system that can match, track and promote both mentors and mentees. >There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right >people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to >help him or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and >simultaneously promotes NABS and the NFB. > >This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find >worth making a time or financial investment in. Here again the >Strategic Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case >for why Labor or some other national entity would find it beneficial to >contribute services or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for >the Blind about how their system might be integrated into this >proposal. They're going to be just as interested in a good case for >why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not assume that just because an >organization does work for the blind that they have to do anything with or for you. > >Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these >are ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the >Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A >convention will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a >good public relations campaign that should attract the right level of >interest from businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could >work better at the state level because creating a curriculum for the >program that involves face-to-face meetings between the mentors could >be more feasible, though national planning should not overlook the >means to bring mentors to the National Convention to get the full depth of what the NFB stands for. > >In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be >addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an >initiative is beyond the scope of the student division. I think the >argument is without foundation. There are scores of blind people who >leave the division to take on a myriad of careers. The problem is that the number is not high enough. >We need more students out there with a good job that is not always >related to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how >to be productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic >training ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. >We often tell students that there is not going to be a DSS office in >their future place of employment and that they should begin to learn >how to be independent. True, but there is always going to be an NFB, >and if we can begin to cultivate a sense of loyalty to the NFB by way >of a proactive student division that plays a major role in job >readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able to thank the NFB for >the success they achieve and be more likely to stick around and help >younger students coming up behind them. I am of course willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. > >The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success >of that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring >program that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, >start putting people to work in their chosen field. Education students >can work with the Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers >for teachers of blind students. Business administration and marketing >students can be put to work writing grant proposals, business plans and >strategic plans that analyze current strategies and make projections >for future improvement. Math students could be enhancing a wiki >project to show teachers and students alike how it might be possible >for a blind student to excel in required and specialized math and >engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be heavily involved in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. >Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and >execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology >students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to >push the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for >all his posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS >podcast? The point is, people are more likely to help you if you give >them the capacity to do something they would have been doing anyway. >If you can build NABS so that students use the organization to complete >classroom projects, there is a win/win situation for both the student's >grade and the improvement of the organization. > >Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create >legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play >tiddlywinks for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the >goal, the longer the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, >and the more objectives necessary to accomplish the goals, the more >likely it is to learn how to use all those objectives for the benefit >of other goals in the future. People should not think of how difficult >it would be to put on a job fair and mentoring program. People should >be thinking about how the steps involved in preparing for the job fair >and mentoring program can help with the preparation of student >seminars, fundraising campaigns and general membership recruitment, all >of which will be addressed in future installments. > >To be continued... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph% >40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From pajohns1 at vt.edu Thu May 7 14:18:21 2009 From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:18:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] digital braille watch for men Message-ID: Group, First off I don't know if such a watch exists, but if it does. . . Does anyone have a suggestion for a digital/braille watch in a men's style? I am looking for a watch where I can read the time through braille (once I learn it), but also be able to verify the time visually. A talking feature would be nice, but only if it can be turned off. I don't need any extra features like a stop watch, calendar, or other things, just something simple with a professional look. Thanks, Patrick From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu May 7 14:42:39 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:42:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <20090507101201.GJ77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Joseph and Angela, You have a good point. Pragmatic though my nature tends to be, I do try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but the dispensation of stipends could become an unnecessary monster. So, scratch the stipend, and replace it with Joseph's suggestion of reimbursement of the work people are carrying out. I believe people should ultimately volunteer because they care. Nonetheless, even if the rest of the membership flakes out, the board is held accountable for carrying out so many of the assignments. I see no reason why the board members, in compensation for their labor, should not receive assistance with getting to and from National Convention or Washington Seminar. Sponsors understand there are logistics involved in making programs function. And, in light of the proposals I am putting out there, the board members should receive a little tangible gratitude for their dedication. But, remember these are all suggestions. People need to follow Joseph and Angela's examples of questioning the ideas and shaping them to something better. Best, Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:12 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Joe, I like the plan, but I am concerned about the question of stipends. I have seen within the organization claims that leadership comes with lots of perks and that people who have the perks seem to expect a lot out of rank and file members that they don't put forward themselves. I have no problem with paying board members' expenses associated with performing their duties. A stipend to be used at the officers' discretion, no matter how carefully budgeted, seems to go a little too far. Otherwise, I see little in your plan I would want to change. Maybe a bit of the detail around how the organization raises money to help support itself, but they're minor details. And when you reconsider a run for the presidency and get elected, I'll be happy to sit down and discuss them with you at length. *grin* Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:58:10PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all: > >In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the >bad economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears >equally worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the >centerpiece of its operations, it should provide its membership one >more added incentive for sticking around. To that end it is my opinion >that NABS should consider hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. > >In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, >relatively soon after the new board has been elected. There is the >obvious point that the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are >to stress out the board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the >agenda is finalized, the sooner you can begin selling the event to >prospective funders. Enter the Strategic Initiatives team. > >The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to >create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness >student organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," >but four months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what >they know how to do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent >marketing materials to lure the students that are not yet planning to >join the division at its winter seminar, and in the case of my >proposal, they need to be able to recruit the participation of >organizations and companies in the fields where the membership is >interested in becoming employed. There are always job fairs going on >in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an organization >like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living centers, >Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area >universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized >job fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post >could not be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that >of the Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be used to advertise the event on behalf of the division. > >The Benefits: > >1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. >There is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about >how cool their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed >from having those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your >resume and how to polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next >to people who wind up not listening to these speakers because they're >perceived as stuck-up and full of themselves. I think they would shake >off that perception if the speakers gave concrete advice on how they >did things to be successful. Over time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. >There is simply more room for personal dialogue. > >2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. >DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted >effort to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete >for those positions. > >3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is >looking for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose >students to potential employers and give them a very real means of >practicing their personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive >in helping its members secure future employment. On a subtle level >things like job readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. >Many students graduate, leave the division and do nothing more with the >NFB because they never participated in chapter meetings. Integrating >students into the larger movement is an ongoing process, but what >better way to keep people around than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? >The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the >graduates themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. > >4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a >reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for >reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring >them in for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase >our esteemed NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk >job readiness, and then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. >The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout >sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some >of the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with >carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every >new person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join >the greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. >Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out >in a way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, >you should be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure >that the success to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. > >Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there >is no reason why the student division should not begin learning how to >carry its own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few >years to get to a point of self-sufficiency, but things like the >student annual banquet are things that could be potentially picked up by a finely cultivated sponsor. >When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors >one more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been >able to partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a >part of your activities. > >So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to >include a question about future job aspirations. The NABS board >compiles the data, and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at >the helm, a database is created of businesses and organizations in the >fields identified by the registered membership. The task may seem >daunting, but not when you have other members in the organization in >various occupations. And, contacting businesses out of the blue is not >altogether a bad leadership building exercise anyway. Specific offices >should be targeted in the Washington DC metropolitan area with a >well-written letter that is accompanied by a small but compelling >packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right amount of >sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. >In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to >participate even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used >to create or revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all >for volunteer service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends >to the board would not raise too many complaints from the board members >who are doing the hard work. > >But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to >accommodate this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch >to businesses so that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme >of the winter seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized >and ready to be taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send >representatives to your job fair. Make them feel ignorant for not >participating. By businesses I mean nonprofits, government agencies >and corporations. Ideally they will have a national scope so that the >student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely to find an opportunity back home to take advantage of. > >Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. >First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but >second, it would set the stage for a mentoring program. > >I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by >current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals >happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the >program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're >going to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted >mentors to be recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, >it helps create an avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will >be teaching the mentee about a career while at the same time learning >about blindness and what a blind person really is capable of doing in >the workplace. The exceptions are, of course, in situations where the >student wants to go into the blindness field, in which case it only >makes sense that they speak to someone in that chosen profession. >Second, the arrangement for the mentoring program sets up networking >opportunities. In some cases the mentor may even be able to offer the >mentee's name for vacancies in their office when the mentee has >graduated. We want people employed. The mentoring program could be >one more vehicle to move people further in that direction. > >Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB >Link program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or >not the modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program >specifically for students. The initial work can be gleaned from the >current registration process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make >the investment in a web-based system that can match, track and promote both mentors and mentees. >There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right >people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to >help him or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and >simultaneously promotes NABS and the NFB. > >This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find >worth making a time or financial investment in. Here again the >Strategic Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case >for why Labor or some other national entity would find it beneficial to >contribute services or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for >the Blind about how their system might be integrated into this >proposal. They're going to be just as interested in a good case for >why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not assume that just because an >organization does work for the blind that they have to do anything with or for you. > >Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these >are ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the >Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A >convention will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a >good public relations campaign that should attract the right level of >interest from businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could >work better at the state level because creating a curriculum for the >program that involves face-to-face meetings between the mentors could >be more feasible, though national planning should not overlook the >means to bring mentors to the National Convention to get the full depth of what the NFB stands for. > >In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be >addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an >initiative is beyond the scope of the student division. I think the >argument is without foundation. There are scores of blind people who >leave the division to take on a myriad of careers. The problem is that the number is not high enough. >We need more students out there with a good job that is not always >related to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how >to be productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic >training ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. >We often tell students that there is not going to be a DSS office in >their future place of employment and that they should begin to learn >how to be independent. True, but there is always going to be an NFB, >and if we can begin to cultivate a sense of loyalty to the NFB by way >of a proactive student division that plays a major role in job >readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able to thank the NFB for >the success they achieve and be more likely to stick around and help >younger students coming up behind them. I am of course willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. > >The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success >of that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring >program that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, >start putting people to work in their chosen field. Education students >can work with the Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers >for teachers of blind students. Business administration and marketing >students can be put to work writing grant proposals, business plans and >strategic plans that analyze current strategies and make projections >for future improvement. Math students could be enhancing a wiki >project to show teachers and students alike how it might be possible >for a blind student to excel in required and specialized math and >engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be heavily involved in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. >Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and >execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology >students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to >push the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for >all his posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS >podcast? The point is, people are more likely to help you if you give >them the capacity to do something they would have been doing anyway. >If you can build NABS so that students use the organization to complete >classroom projects, there is a win/win situation for both the student's >grade and the improvement of the organization. > >Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create >legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play >tiddlywinks for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the >goal, the longer the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, >and the more objectives necessary to accomplish the goals, the more >likely it is to learn how to use all those objectives for the benefit >of other goals in the future. People should not think of how difficult >it would be to put on a job fair and mentoring program. People should >be thinking about how the steps involved in preparing for the job fair >and mentoring program can help with the preparation of student >seminars, fundraising campaigns and general membership recruitment, all >of which will be addressed in future installments. > >To be continued... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph% >40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From info at michaelhingson.com Thu May 7 14:56:41 2009 From: info at michaelhingson.com (mhingson) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 09:56:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible World Presents: "I Survived 9/11," May 12 Message-ID: From: News Wire [mailto:listservice at mail.accessibleworld.org] Subject: Accessible World Presents: "I Survived 9/11," May 12 Accessible World Presents: "I Survived 9/11," May 12 News Wire Special Programs Series "Beyond Surviving to Thriving," Lessons from 9/11 with Michael Hingson Far from being an increasingly distant event from our collective history, the lessons of 9/11 are vital for successfully coping with the chaos of today's economic climate. According to Michael Hingson, World Trade Center survivor, "this country is undergoing a radical attack of the status quo, as people are confronted with radical changes - whether changes in livelihood, financial status or the competitive environment - many of which are confusing and painful. Safety and security in the traditional ways of doing things have been stripped away." To some, Michael Hingson is another person with a "disability." For those who know his amazing story, his superior "abilities" enabled him to successfully navigate through the chaos of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Michael and his Guide Dog Roselle lead a group of people down from the 78th floor of the World Trade Center to safety moments before the building collapsed. His "disability"--blindness - became an asset; his teamwork with Roselle saved his life and the lives of those with him. For Michael Hingson, teamwork and overcoming adversity are not optional. 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Unsubscribe: this link Update your preferences or unsubscribe: this link Forward a Message to Someone: this link Powered by PHPlist2.10.8, © tincan ltd The Michael Hingson Group “Speaking with Vision” Michael Hingson, President (415) 827-4084 info at michaelhingson.com www.michaelhingson.com for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit: http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu May 7 15:16:04 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:16:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant In-Reply-To: <584477.707.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <614BB141B8304ED98BE03FD6BAFF8BF6@Rufus> Jim, I'm replying to your question across all lists to address a point other divisions may have with regard to the grant opportunity. I'll give you a brief suggestion, and then, if you're not impressed, I'll provide you with alternative grant opportunities to consider. Jim wants to know what to do if his division does not engage children ages 5 to 14 when his division does not have any members in this age range. With the Disney program we are looking for ways that children can be encouraged to take on leadership roles in their communities. By "communities," we do not necessarily have to talk about the neighborhoods outside the school. We are just as interested in the planning and delivery of the project as we are in the reflection component of the project. So, as an example, pick a classroom at an elementary school. Use the month of September to come in and teach the children about what blind people do. Use Braille alphabet cards. Use Twin Vision books to read to them. If you have a guide dog user in your ranks, see if they can come out to talk about how the guide dog works, and then explain to them how that compares to the use of the cane. You can be creative in how you teach children about blindness. Just make sure that you let them know they need to pay attention, because in October you want them to pick another class so that the kids themselves can go in and talk to their peers about what blind people do to be independent, hence the children taking on the delivery phase of the project itself. Then, in November, you come in and talk about what the children learned. Perhaps the children, after doing their presentation to their peers, can write up a little journal entry to think about what they learned from the experience. This is the reflection. Talk about what they learned about blind people and how they might translate this to people with disabilities in general or even people of different nationalities. In short, it could be a means to teach children about diversity with blindness at its center. Ideally, a project like this could be carried out with an affiliate of the parent division. If not, perhaps a local chapter could get involved. In either case, it is still a means of educating the public about what blindness is and how a person overcomes it. It is certainly one more way to get out the word of your student organization. For those of you who do not like working with little children, shame on you, but here are three other opportunities to consider. These are not run out of our office, so I could only provide assistance in what I feel they might be asking for as opposed to what I know is being looked for. 1. DoSomething.org Want to make change, but lack the funds? We have tons of grants just for you, see them all. General Grants. Amount:$500 every week Deadline: Rolling Web Site: http://www.dosomething.org/programs 2. U.S. Airways The US Airways Education Foundation is seeking grant applicants for its 2009 Community Education Grant Program. The foundation will award grants of $4,000 each to nonprofit organizations located in the airline's hub and focus cities of Boston, Charlotte, Las Vegas, New York, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Pittsburgh, and Washington, D.C. Eligible programs include educational programs that respond to the needs of disadvantaged or disabled children, teach or enhance social responsibility, and/or enhance academic achievement for children age 18 or younger. Interested nonprofit organizations should visit the US Airways Education Foundation Web site for grant guidelines and an online application form. Web Site: http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/aboutus/corporategiving/default.aspx 3. Mitsubishi Electric America Foundation Through its National Grant program, MEAF provides funding to nonprofit organizations that are working toward the full inclusion of young people with disabilities in society. Proposed projects should be national in scope and impact or model projects that can be replicated at multiple sites. Please see the web site for a complete list of Foundation priorities and guidelines. Web Site: http://www.meaf.org/how-to-apply.php Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:28 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant Joe, I read the Disney grant, and I have a question about the following: "These grants of USD500 are for children (ages 5-14) or the organizations that engage them, to implement youth-led service projects" I see two problems here: 1. My division doesnt have any members that are 5-14 (that complicates the "youth-led" stipulation. 2. My division doesn't "engage" children ages 5-14. Thoughts? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 7 17:55:57 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 10:55:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] digital braille watch for men In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090507175557.GA79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> Patrick, Braille watches are analog. They use bumps in place of numbers on the watch face and open up. Being able to tell analog time is the key, rather than being able to read Braille. It takes a little getting used to, all the same. I found I was unsatisfied with the quality of the watches designed for blind people. The bands were just uncomfortable and their stamped construction pulled hairs literally on a daily basis. Also, there was enough nickel in the bands to cause me some serious skin irritation besides. (I have a sensitivity to nickel.) I find leather and cloth bands get disgusting far too quickly in the summer months, so this left me with milled (as opposed to stamped) bracelet bands in stainless steel or precious metal. When you start talking about jewelry type watches, you start talking about jewelry type prices. You won't find a watch that fits my needs under $300 unless Vinny the Shamwow guy is gonna make you an offer you can't refuse for two of them. (And then you'll have paid $300 by the time you've paid for "processing and handling"--but that's a separate whole thread which is totally off-topic here..) Anyway, the only watch I've seen a blind person use in that category is the Tissot Silent-T. It's a big, heavy watch, but it's read by touch. You run your finger around the rim's touch surface and the watch vibrates the time as you do it. I didn't get one of those. I found I can read a bank watch face with high contrast. To get an idea of what I'm talking about, you can look at the Movado watches at a nearby Kay Jewelers. You might prefer to find another brand at another store when you see the price tags, though! Joseph On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 10:18:21AM -0400, pajohns1 at vt.edu wrote: >Group, > > First off I don't know if such a watch exists, but if it does. . . Does anyone have a suggestion for a digital/braille watch in a men's style? I am looking for a watch where I can read the time through braille (once I learn it), but also be able to verify the time visually. A talking feature would be nice, but only if it can be turned off. I don't need any extra features like a stop watch, calendar, or other things, just something simple with a professional look. > >Thanks, > >Patrick >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Thu May 7 18:40:48 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant Message-ID: <66161.51424.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Joe, First, I appologies for critisizing your efforts after the fall-out asociated with your last grant posting; but I will stand-up for my Division if someone begins questioning its abilities or any of its other characteristics. I know you were not attacking my division directly, but I've put to much effort into this division to stand by idlely and listen to you implicitly question the state of my division. Second, Moving on to more relivant discussions,    I like the grade school idea. Also, I was wondering if any resources exist that provide ideas for service projects. You see, my stregths lie more is the organization and implementation of ideas and task, not so much with the creation of ideas. What say you? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Thu May 7 20:36:59 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant Message-ID: <765645.4964.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Joe, First, I appologies for critisizing your efforts after the fall-out asociated with your last grant posting; but I will stand-up for my Division if someone begins questioning its abilities or any of its other characteristics. I know you were not attacking my division directly, but I've put to much effort into this division to stand by idlely and listen to you implicitly question the state of my division. Second, Moving on to more relivant discussions,    I like the grade school idea. Also, I was wondering if any resources exist that provide ideas for service projects. You see, my stregths lie more is the organization and implementation of ideas and task, not so much with the creation of ideas. What say you? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 7 21:06:56 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:06:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <47A3C568431A4B81BD7B666CBE82D72B@angelab> References: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus><20090507101201.GJ77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> <47A3C568431A4B81BD7B666CBE82D72B@angelab> Message-ID: <6B778869AD194DD68FF9E179FF03B4EE@sarahd0fffdcf6> I agree. I serve because I want to and that's that. I love to help people and I love to learn new things as well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela fowler Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:16 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Joe, I agree with Joseph (see, I'm learning GRIN) about the stipend issue. Paying expenses is only right, but if we start giving folks cash, well, we've all seen how well that has worked with the government. If people serve because they want too, because they love the cause and have a servant's heart, they will throw everything they can into it. If they serve because "Hell, I get an extra $50... $100... Whatever it is, and I sure need the money," they might not throw as much into it. Also someone will inevitably propose that the stipend be raised. This is hard work after all! Its hard to vote objectively when your own pocket book is involved. Other than that, as I've said on another list, are you going to publish this some place? I'd like my own state division to use a good lot of this. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:12 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Joe, I like the plan, but I am concerned about the question of stipends. I have seen within the organization claims that leadership comes with lots of perks and that people who have the perks seem to expect a lot out of rank and file members that they don't put forward themselves. I have no problem with paying board members' expenses associated with performing their duties. A stipend to be used at the officers' discretion, no matter how carefully budgeted, seems to go a little too far. Otherwise, I see little in your plan I would want to change. Maybe a bit of the detail around how the organization raises money to help support itself, but they're minor details. And when you reconsider a run for the presidency and get elected, I'll be happy to sit down and discuss them with you at length. *grin* Joseph On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 11:58:10PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Dear all: > >In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the >bad economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears >equally worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the >centerpiece of its operations, it should provide its membership one >more added incentive for sticking around. To that end it is my opinion >that NABS should consider hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. > >In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, >relatively soon after the new board has been elected. There is the >obvious point that the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are >to stress out the board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the >agenda is finalized, the sooner you can begin selling the event to >prospective funders. Enter the Strategic Initiatives team. > >The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to >create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness >student organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," >but four months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what >they know how to do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent >marketing materials to lure the students that are not yet planning to >join the division at its winter seminar, and in the case of my >proposal, they need to be able to recruit the participation of >organizations and companies in the fields where the membership is >interested in becoming employed. There are always job fairs going on >in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an organization >like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living centers, >Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area >universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized >job fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post >could not be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that >of the Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be >used to advertise the event on behalf of the division. > >The Benefits: > >1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. >There is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about >how cool their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed >from having those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your >resume and how to polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next >to people who wind up not listening to these speakers because they're >perceived as stuck-up and full of themselves. I think they would shake >off that perception if the speakers gave concrete advice on how they >did things to be successful. Over time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. >There is simply more room for personal dialogue. > >2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. >DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted >effort to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete >for those positions. > >3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is >looking for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose >students to potential employers and give them a very real means of >practicing their personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive >in helping its members secure future employment. On a subtle level >things like job readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. >Many students graduate, leave the division and do nothing more with the >NFB because they never participated in chapter meetings. Integrating >students into the larger movement is an ongoing process, but what >better way to keep people around than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? >The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the >graduates themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. > >4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a >reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for >reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring >them in for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase >our esteemed NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk >job readiness, and then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. >The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout >sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some >of the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with >carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every >new person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join >the greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. >Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out >in a way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, >you should be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure >that the success to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. > >Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there >is no reason why the student division should not begin learning how to >carry its own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few >years to get to a point of self-sufficiency, but things like the >student annual banquet are things that could be potentially picked up >by a finely cultivated sponsor. >When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors >one more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been >able to partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a >part of your activities. > >So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to >include a question about future job aspirations. The NABS board >compiles the data, and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at >the helm, a database is created of businesses and organizations in the >fields identified by the registered membership. The task may seem >daunting, but not when you have other members in the organization in >various occupations. And, contacting businesses out of the blue is not >altogether a bad leadership building exercise anyway. Specific offices >should be targeted in the Washington DC metropolitan area with a >well-written letter that is accompanied by a small but compelling >packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right amount of >sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. >In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to >participate even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used >to create or revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all >for volunteer service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends >to the board would not raise too many complaints from the board members >who are doing the hard work. > >But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to >accommodate this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch >to businesses so that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme >of the winter seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized >and ready to be taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send >representatives to your job fair. Make them feel ignorant for not >participating. By businesses I mean nonprofits, government agencies >and corporations. Ideally they will have a national scope so that the >student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely to find an opportunity >back home to take advantage of. > >Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. >First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but >second, it would set the stage for a mentoring program. > >I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by >current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals >happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the >program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're >going to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted >mentors to be recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, >it helps create an avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will >be teaching the mentee about a career while at the same time learning >about blindness and what a blind person really is capable of doing in >the workplace. The exceptions are, of course, in situations where the >student wants to go into the blindness field, in which case it only >makes sense that they speak to someone in that chosen profession. >Second, the arrangement for the mentoring program sets up networking >opportunities. In some cases the mentor may even be able to offer the >mentee's name for vacancies in their office when the mentee has >graduated. We want people employed. The mentoring program could be >one more vehicle to move people further in that direction. > >Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB >Link program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or >not the modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program >specifically for students. The initial work can be gleaned from the >current registration process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make >the investment in a web-based system that can match, track and promote >both mentors and mentees. >There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right >people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to >help him or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and >simultaneously promotes NABS and the NFB. > >This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find >worth making a time or financial investment in. Here again the >Strategic Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case >for why Labor or some other national entity would find it beneficial to >contribute services or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for >the Blind about how their system might be integrated into this >proposal. They're going to be just as interested in a good case for >why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not assume that just because an >organization does work for the blind that they have to do anything with >or for you. > >Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these >are ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the >Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A >convention will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a >good public relations campaign that should attract the right level of >interest from businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could >work better at the state level because creating a curriculum for the >program that involves face-to-face meetings between the mentors could >be more feasible, though national planning should not overlook the >means to bring mentors to the National Convention to get the full depth >of what the NFB stands for. > >In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be >addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an >initiative is beyond the scope of the student division. I think the >argument is without foundation. There are scores of blind people who >leave the division to take on a myriad of careers. The problem is that >the number is not high enough. >We need more students out there with a good job that is not always >related to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how >to be productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic >training ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. >We often tell students that there is not going to be a DSS office in >their future place of employment and that they should begin to learn >how to be independent. True, but there is always going to be an NFB, >and if we can begin to cultivate a sense of loyalty to the NFB by way >of a proactive student division that plays a major role in job >readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able to thank the NFB for >the success they achieve and be more likely to stick around and help >younger students coming up behind them. I am of course willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. > >The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success >of that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring >program that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, >start putting people to work in their chosen field. Education students >can work with the Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers >for teachers of blind students. Business administration and marketing >students can be put to work writing grant proposals, business plans and >strategic plans that analyze current strategies and make projections >for future improvement. Math students could be enhancing a wiki >project to show teachers and students alike how it might be possible >for a blind student to excel in required and specialized math and >engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be heavily involved >in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. >Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and >execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology >students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to >push the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for >all his posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS >podcast? The point is, people are more likely to help you if you give >them the capacity to do something they would have been doing anyway. >If you can build NABS so that students use the organization to complete >classroom projects, there is a win/win situation for both the student's >grade and the improvement of the organization. > >Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create >legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play >tiddlywinks for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the >goal, the longer the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, >and the more objectives necessary to accomplish the goals, the more >likely it is to learn how to use all those objectives for the benefit >of other goals in the future. People should not think of how difficult >it would be to put on a job fair and mentoring program. People should >be thinking about how the steps involved in preparing for the job fair >and mentoring program can help with the preparation of student >seminars, fundraising campaigns and general membership recruitment, all >of which will be addressed in future installments. > >To be continued... > >Joe Orozco > >"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >crowd."--Max Lucado > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph% >40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu May 7 22:24:32 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:24:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts References: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20090507101512.GK77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene> What's a "four one nine email?" Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts > Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm seriously > asking. > > Joseph > > > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >>ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >>We are deeply >>concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >>Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >>tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >>people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >>reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >>background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >>source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >>abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >>the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >>essential service. >> >> >> >> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu May 7 22:55:20 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:55:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disney grant In-Reply-To: <66161.51424.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8295A3C03BAD423D92DB75715E28200A@Rufus> Jim, I'm not sure I completely understand your question, but go to the link below to see the most recent round of grantees to see the type of projects that were awarded. If this doesn't help, let me know. http://ysa.org/AwardsGrants/DisneyMinnieGrants/DisneyMinnieGrantees2009/tabi d/343/Default.aspx Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado _____ From: Jim Reed [mailto:jim275_2 at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:41 PM To: jsorozco at gmail.com; NABS mail list Subject: Disney grant Joe, First, I appologies for critisizing your efforts after the fall-out asociated with your last grant posting; but I will stand-up for my Division if someone begins questioning its abilities or any of its other characteristics. I know you were not attacking my division directly, but I've put to much effort into this division to stand by idlely and listen to you implicitly question the state of my division. Second, Moving on to more relivant discussions, I like the grade school idea. Also, I was wondering if any resources exist that provide ideas for service projects. You see, my stregths lie more is the organization and implementation of ideas and task, not so much with the creation of ideas. What say you? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4059 (20090507) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu May 7 23:44:33 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 23:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> Message-ID: <1477772145.6561091241739873813.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello joe, again, i love your ideas and suggestions for the action plans that you have put to the table for nabs and the future of nabs and the nfb. and, don't forget about student who are in the field of public relations and, that they can assist with marketing and other press issues and items for advertising nabs and it's events. i know that you were going to put that but, you forgot i see... but, again i love yourr ideas that you have put to the table so far and if i knew of something for pr for this table i would put it forward. well, that's all for now take care and good luck in hoping that these plans and goals of yours are done in the future of nabs. hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Orozco To: 'Arizona Students' , 'California Students' , 'Colorado Center' , 'Colorado Students' , 'Florida Students' , 'Illinois Students' , 'Kansas Students' , 'Kentucky Students' , 'Louisiana Students' , 'Michigan' , 'Minnesota Students' , 'Missouri' , 'National' , 'Nebraska' , 'New Hampshire Students' , 'New Jersey Students' , 'North Carolina Students' , 'Ohio' , 'Pennsylvania' , 'Presidents' , 'TABS Students' , 'Tennessee Students' , 'Utah Students' , 'Virginia Students' Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 03:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 Dear all: In a landscape of grim statistics and dismal editorials regarding the bad economy, the hope of the unemployment rate among the blind appears equally worrisome. While NABS should not make job readiness the centerpiece of its operations, it should provide its membership one more added incentive for sticking around. To that end it is my opinion that NABS should consider hosting a job fair at Washington Seminar. In general, planning for Washington Seminar should begin in July, relatively soon after the new board has been elected. There is the obvious point that the longer you have to plan, the less likely you are to stress out the board, but for strategic purposes, the earlier the agenda is finalized, the sooner you can begin selling the event to prospective funders. Enter the Strategic Initiatives team. The team needs as much time as possible, at least four solid months, to create the type of noise befitting the country's leading blindness student organization. Actually, there is no such thing as "too soon," but four months will give this team the opportunity to shine at what they know how to do best. The team needs to be able to draft excellent marketing materials to lure the students that are not yet planning to join the division at its winter seminar, and in the case of my proposal, they need to be able to recruit the participation of organizations and companies in the fields where the membership is interested in becoming employed. There are always job fairs going on in the nation's capital, and there is no reason why an organization like NABS could not partner up with the Independent Living centers, Light House, the city's Department for Disabilities, local-area universities and the DC NFB affiliate to put together a well-organized job fair. With sufficient time, I do not see why the Washington Post could not be enticed into scheduling its routine job fairs to meet that of the Washington Seminar. If it does not, the paper could still be used to advertise the event on behalf of the division. The Benefits: 1. Hands-on practice will always be preferable to living vicariously. There is great benefit to listening to three people in a row talk about how cool their jobs are, but there is a greater impact to be enjoyed from having those people tell you how to draft your cover letter, your resume and how to polish your interview skills. Besides, I've sat next to people who wind up not listening to these speakers because they're perceived as stuck-up and full of themselves. I think they would shake off that perception if the speakers gave concrete advice on how they did things to be successful. Over time I've become a fan of breakout sessions over general group speeches. There is simply more room for personal dialogue. 2. Summer internships are not far around the corner from Washington Seminar. DC is attractive to many college students. Why not make a concerted effort to ensure that our students get a unique opportunity to compete for those positions. 3. Job prospects. Students are not students forever. Everyone is looking for a permanent job. On the surface the job fair would expose students to potential employers and give them a very real means of practicing their personal selling skills. It makes NABS look proactive in helping its members secure future employment. On a subtle level things like job readiness sets the stage for a NABS alumni network. Many students graduate, leave the division and do nothing more with the NFB because they never participated in chapter meetings. Integrating students into the larger movement is an ongoing process, but what better way to keep people around than to place these graduates in a position to help up and coming students? The thing is, there is no grounds for an alumni network if the graduates themselves were never given anything tangible in the first place. 4. Membership incentives. As I've previously mentioned, people want a reason to belong to your organization. In this case we are looking for reasons for people to want to come to Washington Seminar. You bring them in for a general session of well-chosen speakers. You showcase our esteemed NFB president. You break out to smaller groups to talk job readiness, and then you turn the crowd loose on your collection of potential employers. The crowd moves out dressed to impressed, because one of the breakout sessions will have talked about social skills and swagger. True, some of the locals may only come out to be a part of the job fair, but with carefully planted board members about the room you ensure that every new person is approached and given the pitch on why they should join the greatness that is NABS. Dedicate four or five hours to the event. Coordinate it with the National Office to ensure it can be carried out in a way that the maximum number of people can participate. Besides, you should be coordinating the event with Baltimore anyway to ensure that the success to NABS translates to success for the organization at large. Even though the meeting space is graciously provided by the NFB, there is no reason why the student division should not begin learning how to carry its own weight to help offset expenses. It would take a few years to get to a point of self-sufficiency, but things like the student annual banquet are things that could be potentially picked up by a finely cultivated sponsor. When you throw a job fair into the program, you're providing sponsors one more layer of credibility, because you show them how you've been able to partner up with a number of businesses to come out and be a part of your activities. So, from the top, the online registration process is modified to include a question about future job aspirations. The NABS board compiles the data, and with the Strategic Initiatives team working at the helm, a database is created of businesses and organizations in the fields identified by the registered membership. The task may seem daunting, but not when you have other members in the organization in various occupations. And, contacting businesses out of the blue is not altogether a bad leadership building exercise anyway. Specific offices should be targeted in the Washington DC metropolitan area with a well-written letter that is accompanied by a small but compelling packet of what NABS is and what it does. With the right amount of sponsorship, the board may very well be able to afford to feature these employers at the job fair with little or no cost to the businesses. In truth, NABS could charge a very nominal fee for businesses to participate even if sponsorship is available, money that could be used to create or revise job readiness materials for the future. I'm all for volunteer service, but I am sure that carefully budgeted stipends to the board would not raise too many complaints from the board members who are doing the hard work. But, it is important to plan and solidify the agenda early on to accommodate this venture. The agenda should be included in the pitch to businesses so that they see how they will fit into the larger scheme of the winter seminar. It tells businesses you are prepared, organized and ready to be taken seriously. Businesses do not have to send representatives to your job fair. Make them feel ignorant for not participating. By businesses I mean nonprofits, government agencies and corporations. Ideally they will have a national scope so that the student from Ohio and Oregon are just as likely to find an opportunity back home to take advantage of. Now, the database of businesses and organizations would serve two purposes. First, it would provide a springboard for the job fair idea, but second, it would set the stage for a mentoring program. I am thinking of a mentoring program where our students are mentored by current professionals in their field of interest. If the professionals happen to be blind, excellent, but my recommendation would be that the program not be tailored that way. Students need to understand they're going to be competing in a sighted world. I would encourage sighted mentors to be recruited to take on outstanding blind mentees. First, it helps create an avenue for education for the mentor. He or she will be teaching the mentee about a career while at the same time learning about blindness and what a blind person really is capable of doing in the workplace. The exceptions are, of course, in situations where the student wants to go into the blindness field, in which case it only makes sense that they speak to someone in that chosen profession. Second, the arrangement for the mentoring program sets up networking opportunities. In some cases the mentor may even be able to offer the mentee's name for vacancies in their office when the mentee has graduated. We want people employed. The mentoring program could be one more vehicle to move people further in that direction. Perhaps this mentoring idea could be integrated into the existing NFB Link program. At the very least NABS should inquire into whether or not the modules could be borrowed to create a mentoring program specifically for students. The initial work can be gleaned from the current registration process, but thinking long-term, NABS should make the investment in a web-based system that can match, track and promote both mentors and mentees. There are free CRM systems out there to accomplish this, but the right people need to be recruited by the Director of Online Strategies to help him or her shape the project in a way that works smoothly and simultaneously promotes NABS and the NFB. This is an initiative I believe the Department of Labor would find worth making a time or financial investment in. Here again the Strategic Initiatives team would need to spend time developing a case for why Labor or some other national entity would find it beneficial to contribute services or finances. Talk to the American Foundation for the Blind about how their system might be integrated into this proposal. They're going to be just as interested in a good case for why it is necessary as anyone else. Do not assume that just because an organization does work for the blind that they have to do anything with or for you. Like most everything else I've written about up to this point, these are ideas that could be integrated at the state level. Substitute the Washington Seminar with your affiliate's state convention. A convention will draw the right volume of people and lend itself to a good public relations campaign that should attract the right level of interest from businesses. If nothing else, the mentoring program could work better at the state level because creating a curriculum for the program that involves face-to-face meetings between the mentors could be more feasible, though national planning should not overlook the means to bring mentors to the National Convention to get the full depth of what the NFB stands for. In summary, the problem of unemployment among the blind needs to be addressed. No doubt the argument will be made for how such an initiative is beyond the scope of the student division. I think the argument is without foundation. There are scores of blind people who leave the division to take on a myriad of careers. The problem is that the number is not high enough. We need more students out there with a good job that is not always related to the blindness field. NABS can and should teach students how to be productive students, but college is nothing more than an academic training ground for future success in a student's chosen profession. We often tell students that there is not going to be a DSS office in their future place of employment and that they should begin to learn how to be independent. True, but there is always going to be an NFB, and if we can begin to cultivate a sense of loyalty to the NFB by way of a proactive student division that plays a major role in job readiness and job exposure, graduates will be able to thank the NFB for the success they achieve and be more likely to stick around and help younger students coming up behind them. I am of course willing to entertain arguments to the contrary. The job fair can be a part of Washington Seminar 2010. Use the success of that event to build the resources necessary to build a mentoring program that could be fully operational by 2011, and in the meantime, start putting people to work in their chosen field. Education students can work with the Director of Education to write curriculum enhancers for teachers of blind students. Business administration and marketing students can be put to work writing grant proposals, business plans and strategic plans that analyze current strategies and make projections for future improvement. Math students could be enhancing a wiki project to show teachers and students alike how it might be possible for a blind student to excel in required and specialized math and engineering courses. Journalism students ought to be heavily involved in the production and marketing of the Student Slate. Science students ought to be playing a bigger role in the planning and execution of youth Slam. Computer science and information technology students should be working with the Director of Online Strategies to push the web site forward to reach larger audiences. David Dunfy, for all his posts about the DJ Invasion, could be persuaded to host a NABS podcast? The point is, people are more likely to help you if you give them the capacity to do something they would have been doing anyway. If you can build NABS so that students use the organization to complete classroom projects, there is a win/win situation for both the student's grade and the improvement of the organization. Ambitious? Of course it's ambitious. Ambitious organizations create legacies. Mediocre organizations may as well stay home and play tiddlywinks for all the impact they will accomplish. The greater the goal, the longer the list of objectives required to achieve the goal, and the more objectives necessary to accomplish the goals, the more likely it is to learn how to use all those objectives for the benefit of other goals in the future. People should not think of how difficult it would be to put on a job fair and mentoring program. People should be thinking about how the steps involved in preparing for the job fair and mentoring program can help with the preparation of student seminars, fundraising campaigns and general membership recruitment, all of which will be addressed in future installments. To be continued... Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From JFreeh at nfb.org Fri May 8 00:27:15 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:27:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Louis Braille Coin to be Launched into Space on May 11 Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, ext. 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Louis Braille Coin to be Launched into Space on May 11 Commemorative Coin Will Fly on Space Shuttle Mission STS-125 125 Baltimore, Maryland (May 7, 2009): The 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar, the first coin ever to feature readable Braille, will fly on NASA space shuttle Atlantis on May 11, 2009. The coin will be launched into space on mission STS-125, which will service NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar was released by the United States Mint on March 26, 2009. Sales of the coin will be used to support the National Federation of the Blind "Braille Readers are Leaders" campaign. The campaign is a national initiative created to double the number of blind children learning Braille by 2015. Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar symbolizes the power of knowledge and future opportunities for blind children across America. It is therefore fitting that this historic coin will be part of a mission to uncover the secrets of the universe. Perhaps someday a Braille reader will also be part of such a mission." "NASA believes strongly in the importance of educational opportunities for everyone," said Joyce Winterton, assistant administrator for education at NASA headquarters in Washington. "That is why we have partnered with the National Federation of the Blind to help create programs that enhance scientific study for blind youth. Launching the first coin to contain tactile, readable Braille into space symbolizes NASA's commitment to the spread of knowledge by every means and to every individual." The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar is currently on sale. Those interested in ordering a coin should visit www.usmint.gov or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468). For more information about the National Federation of the Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit www.braille.org. ### From agrima at nbp.org Fri May 8 00:29:10 2009 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:29:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NBP-Announce: New in braille: Suze Orman's 2009 Action Plan! Message-ID: Suze Orman's 2009 Action Plan By Suze Orman Braille (3 volumes), PortaBook, or Download, $9.99 2009 - The year you can't afford to make any mistakes with your money! While some people prefer not to think about the state of the economy, others seek out strategies for securing their futures, at least to the extent possible. If you're the latter type, you should immediately buy a copy of "Suze Orman's 2009 Action Plan: Keeping Your Money Safe & Sound." It's the kind of book you want to study and refer to again and again. Suze answers such questions as: Are your savings safe? Should you continue to invest in your retirement account? Should you keep your home if it's worth less than you owe or should you sell it? How do you pay your bills if you've been laid off? She believes 2009 is a critical year for money matters, and getting your house in order. As an added feature, we included the latest advice from Suze's website. Writes Publishers Weekly, "She may be America's most trusted financial advisor." "My 2009 Action Plan is designed to make sure you are ready for the unexpected-this year and every year forward. I most certainly hope things get better for us all, but in the meantime I want to make sure you have a plan in place that will protect you no matter what "what ifs" lay ahead." -Author Suze Orman This book has been on the bestseller list since it came out, and is currently #2 in paperback. Read the table of contents at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/ACTION.html To order this book, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or, call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 20 Or e-mail your order to orders at nbp.org. _______________________________________________ Nbp mailing list Nbp at nbp.org PLEASE DO NOT respond to this message! It is an automated message and your query will not reach us. Send questions to orders at nbp.org . From donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com Fri May 8 00:37:49 2009 From: donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com (Donna Posont) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:37:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Need for national convention door prizes Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Posont Subject: national convention door prizes National convention will soon be upon us. If you or your chapter, division, or state organization would be so kind as to donate a door prize it would be greatly appreciated. If you would like to mail anything ahead you may send it to Donna Posont 15429 Prospect St. Dearborn, Mi 48126 or call 313-220-8140. You may bring door prizes to convention and feel free to take them to the Michigan suite. Remember, cash is always a delightful prize and it is easy to carry to Detroit and easy to carry home or use while a convention. Thanks for your kindness, Donna Posont From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Fri May 8 01:08:59 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist Message-ID: <50394.19695.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey all, I met with the job placement person today; my VR councilor was there as well. The general consensus was, and I agree (grumbleing and muttering under breath), that my days of being capable to work out in the field are numbered, and that the task is made much harder by not being able to drive. So, my visual prognosis being what it is, it seems prudent to begin prepairing me for an office job, rather than continuing my pursuit of a field-based experience. I tried to argue that I should continue pursuit of field work because there is no real difference between an office job, and going to school (the same skills are used, just different application of those skills, thus my time would be better spent in the field), but they did not buy it.  Seeing that all of my work experience has been outside of an office, they think the place to start is to get me an office job. I grudgingly agreed, but I made a clear distinction that there are administrative jobs, and there are clerical/secretary jobs, and that I have not the skills or desire to be a secretary. Who knows? Maybe the office won't be so bad. Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net Fri May 8 02:34:02 2009 From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah) Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:34:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Louis Braille Coin to be Launched into Space on May 11 Message-ID: <20090508023319.FDHB28471.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote> This is so cool!!!!!! I just got one yesterday and they're awesome! > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Freeh,Jessica" (by way of David Andrews ) >To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 19:27:15 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Louis Braille Coin to be Launched into Space on May 11 >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >CONTACT: >Chris Danielsen >Director of Public Relations >National Federation of the Blind >(410) 659-9314, ext. 2330 >(410) 262-1281 (Cell) >cdanielsen at nfb.org >Louis Braille Coin to be Launched into Space on May 11 >Commemorative Coin Will Fly on Space Shuttle Mission STS-125 >125 >Baltimore, Maryland (May 7, 2009): The 2009 Louis Braille >Bicentennial Silver Dollar, the first coin ever to feature readable >Braille, will fly on NASA space shuttle Atlantis on May 11, >2009. The coin will be launched into space on mission STS-125, which >will service NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. >The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar was released by the >United States Mint on March 26, 2009. Sales of the coin will be used >to support the National Federation of the Blind "Braille Readers are >Leaders" campaign. The campaign is a national initiative created to >double the number of blind children learning Braille by 2015. >Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National Federation of the Blind, >said: "The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar symbolizes the >power of knowledge and future opportunities for blind children across >America. It is therefore fitting that this historic coin will be >part of a mission to uncover the secrets of the universe. Perhaps >someday a Braille reader will also be part of such a mission." >"NASA believes strongly in the importance of educational >opportunities for everyone," said Joyce Winterton, assistant >administrator for education at NASA headquarters in Washington. "That >is why we have partnered with the National Federation of the Blind to >help create programs that enhance scientific study for blind youth. >Launching the first coin to contain tactile, readable Braille into >space symbolizes NASA's commitment to the spread of knowledge by >every means and to every individual." >The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar is currently on >sale. Those interested in ordering a coin should visit >www.usmint.gov or call 1-800-USA-MINT >(872-6468). For more information about the National Federation of >the Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit >www.braille.org. >### >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli cious%40suddenlink.net From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Fri May 8 03:05:00 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] "Dual Citizenship" Message-ID: <913637.93445.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> For lack of a better term, I am calling it "dual citizenship", and what I am refering to is students who are attending out-of-state schools, thus joining out of state student divisions, then going home for the summer. The mass exodus come summer seems like it could lead to a deficit in labor, just as the oppertunity is greatest to undertake major efforts. Has the NABS considered ideas as to how to encourage people to participate in their home-state divisions when they go home for the summer? This could be a potential way of making the national system as a whole more effective, and it could help reduce state membership fluctuations come the summer exodus. I really don't know what this idea may ultimatly look like, or if its even possible, but I thought it might be worth throwing out there to see what people think. Thoughts? Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Fri May 8 03:34:57 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts In-Reply-To: <00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <881967.46491.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Let me see if I can contact the petition author & I'll et back to you. --- On Thu, 5/7/09, Serena wrote: From: Serena Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 3:24 PM What's a "four one nine email?" Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts > Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm seriously > asking. > > Joseph > > > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >>ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >>We are deeply >>concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >>Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >>tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >>people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >>reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >>background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >>source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >>abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >>the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >>essential service. >> >> >> >> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Fri May 8 03:36:04 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:36:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] "Willing and Able:A job Hunting Guide for Montanans with Disabilities" Message-ID: <414394.37681.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> For your reference. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1821_Willing_and_Able_Web.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 707172 bytes Desc: not available URL: From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Fri May 8 05:01:11 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 01:01:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist Message-ID: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com> Jim, Informed choice dictates that rehab is supposed to help you explore all the possibilities for persuing your field of interest before simmply saying that your field days are numbered. Don't forget that you have a right to say no, and that the NFB is here to help you when you do. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hey all, > I met with the job placement person today; my VR councilor was there as > well. The general consensus was, and I agree (grumbleing and muttering > under breath), that my days of being capable to work out in the field > are numbered, and that the task is made much harder by not being able > to drive. So, my visual prognosis being what it is, it seems prudent to > begin prepairing me for an office job, rather than continuing my > pursuit of a field-based experience. > I tried to argue that I should continue pursuit of field work because > there is no real difference between an office job, and going to school > (the same skills are used, just different application of those skills, > thus my time would be better spent in the field), but they did not buy it. > Seeing that all of my work experience has been outside of an office, > they think the place to start is to get me an office job. I grudgingly > agreed, but I made a clear distinction that there are administrative > jobs, and there are clerical/secretary jobs, and that I have not the > skills or desire to be a secretary. > Who knows? Maybe the office won't be so bad. > Jim > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From KBowman at nfb.org Fri May 8 16:50:55 2009 From: KBowman at nfb.org (Bowman, Kristi) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:50:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Make A Promise - Change A Life With A Dollar Message-ID: This message is from Joanne Wilson on behalf of the Imagination Fund. Dave Hello All: NFB has relied on the generosity of our communities for as long as I can remember. The donations that we receive are integral to the work that we accomplish. It is because of this relevant truth that I am asking for your support. Since its inception in 2004, the Imagination Fund has given out well over a million dollars to support local and national outreach efforts. The money you have worked hard to raise has most definitely been used well! There are many plans for what we would like our future to look like and for how we can continue to build a future of opportunity and change what it means to be blind for younger generations. The simple reality is that in order to accomplish our goals, we must be able to pay for our programs. YOU CAN HELP! We have created a mini March for Independence campaign that offers the ability for you and the members in your chapters and affiliates to get special incentives when you participate. How the campaign works is outlined below. I urge you to READ the information below and then to REGISTER for the mini-March campaign. If you haven't raised any money yet, this campaign may be perfect for you (read below and you'll see why). Thank you very much for considering this campaign and being a part of a brighter future for all blind people. Joanne Wilson How it works: When you JOIN the Every Member, Every Friend Match Campaign you PROMISE to support the campaign with a PROMISE of a dollar a day or $30 per month for the next four months paid in flexible (options everyone can afford) automatic monthly installments deducted from your checking account or billed to your credit card. Then: YOU get just ONE OTHER PERSON to MATCH your PROMISE with the same flexible, personalized, automatic payment schedule. You get: When you make a promise and get ONE match, we'll throw in a March for Independence t-shirt! More matches will get additional March incentives! Many of us have not yet started fundraising for the March for Independence! NOW IS THE TIME! DON'T DELAY! JOIN THE CAMPAIGN NOW! I'd like MORE INFORMATION Unsubscribe from receiving email, or change your email preferences. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri May 8 16:55:36 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:55:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley> Hi Gedi, That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some have more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a program called workforce recruitment program for students with disabilities out there. I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office job. It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten more confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with kids, I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in education. Then I will teach. I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized through soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for it. Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we studied for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab counselor. Ashley From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri May 8 17:31:51 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:31:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <50394.19695.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, This is quite disturbing. What was your educational background and what job did you want? I know it has to do with parks and "field work". It may be too visual, but we don't know without more information. I know there are blind people working outside. They have been farmers and gardeners. Some jobs we can't do such as jobs where driving is done all day. These include being a pizza driver, truck driver for deliveries, fireman, and policeman. But for some jobs where driving is just one aspect of the job, you can work around that. Some blind employees hire their own driver; others have it provided as a reasonable accomodation. Is your vision stable? It sounds like your vr counselor is trying to pigeonhole you into a job before considering other alternatives or related fields that use your field of study. Could you explain more on this? "Seeing that all of my work experience has been outside of an office, they think the place to start is to get me an office job." What work experience do you have outside? I think some outdoor work can be done with alternative techniques. Just because you can't do it visually now, does not mean you cannot do it at all. What sort of office jobs did they have in mind? Jim also secretary jobs are disappearing. Before managers wrote documents by hand and put them on a recording and then the secretary using a dictaphone would type the documents. Now everyone has computers eliminating the need for most secretaries. There is little need for dictation. So I don't think you have to worry about being shoved into secretarial work. Interesting this comes up about outdoor work. I am going to try and volunteer at a county park. I will mainly work indoors answering phones, registering people for programs and more office work but also wanted to do some outdoor work such as gardening and trail maintenance if I can. I want to learn gardening so I can plant when I have my own home. I want to assist outdoors to clean up and prevent pollution. The Potomac River here in VA is quite polluted unfortunately. I'll see what I can come up with. Hope it works out Jim. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: "NABS mail list" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:08 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist Hey all, I met with the job placement person today; my VR councilor was there as well. The general consensus was, and I agree (grumbleing and muttering under breath), that my days of being capable to work out in the field are numbered, and that the task is made much harder by not being able to drive. So, my visual prognosis being what it is, it seems prudent to begin prepairing me for an office job, rather than continuing my pursuit of a field-based experience. I tried to argue that I should continue pursuit of field work because there is no real difference between an office job, and going to school (the same skills are used, just different application of those skills, thus my time would be better spent in the field), but they did not buy it. Seeing that all of my work experience has been outside of an office, they think the place to start is to get me an office job. I grudgingly agreed, but I made a clear distinction that there are administrative jobs, and there are clerical/secretary jobs, and that I have not the skills or desire to be a secretary. Who knows? Maybe the office won't be so bad. Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4061 (20090507) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:12:03 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:12:03 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist In-Reply-To: References: <50394.19695.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, If you were wanting to work as a truck driver, then I could understand your rehab counselor's recommendation, but you're not. It's entirely possible to work jobs that require periodic driving--and to hire a driver. By all means fight for the resources you need to be able to do the job of your choice. Arielle On 5/9/09, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Jim, > > This is quite disturbing. What was your educational background and what job > did you want? > I know it has to do with parks and > "field work". It may be too visual, but we don't know without more > information. I know there are blind people working outside. They have been > farmers and gardeners. Some jobs we can't do such as jobs where driving is > done all day. These include being a pizza driver, truck driver for > deliveries, fireman, and policeman. But for some jobs where driving is just > one aspect of the job, you can work around that. Some blind employees hire > their own driver; others have it provided as a reasonable accomodation. Is > your vision stable? > It sounds like your vr counselor is trying to pigeonhole you into a job > before considering other alternatives or related fields that use your field > of study. > > Could you explain more on this? > "Seeing that all of my work experience has been outside of an office, they > think the place to start is to get me an office job." > What work experience do you have outside? > I think some outdoor work can be done with alternative techniques. Just > because you can't do it visually now, does not mean you cannot do it at all. > What sort of office jobs did they have in mind? > > Jim also secretary jobs are disappearing. Before managers wrote documents > by hand and put them on a recording and then the secretary using a > dictaphone would type the documents. Now everyone has computers eliminating > the need for most secretaries. There is little need for dictation. > So I don't think you have to worry about being shoved into secretarial > work. > > Interesting this comes up about outdoor work. I am going to try and > volunteer at a county park. I will mainly work indoors answering phones, > registering people for programs and more office > work but also wanted to do some outdoor work such as gardening and trail > maintenance if I can. I want to learn gardening so I can plant when I have > my own home. I want to assist outdoors to clean up and prevent pollution. > The Potomac River here in VA is quite polluted unfortunately. I'll see what > I can come up with. > > Hope it works out Jim. > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Reed" > To: "NABS mail list" > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:08 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > > Hey all, > I met with the job placement person today; my VR councilor was there as > well. The general consensus was, and I agree (grumbleing and muttering under > breath), that my days of being capable to work out in the field are > numbered, and that the task is made much harder by not being able to drive. > So, my visual prognosis being what it is, it seems prudent to begin > prepairing me for an office job, rather than continuing my pursuit of a > field-based experience. > > I tried to argue that I should continue pursuit of field work because there > is no real difference between an office job, and going to school (the same > skills are used, just different application of those skills, thus my time > would be better spent in the field), but they did not buy it. > > Seeing that all of my work experience has been outside of an office, they > think the place to start is to get me an office job. I grudgingly agreed, > but I made a clear distinction that there are administrative jobs, and there > are clerical/secretary jobs, and that I have not the skills or desire to be > a secretary. > > Who knows? Maybe the office won't be so bad. > > Jim > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4061 (20090507) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From liz.bottner at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:53:46 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:53:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Action Plan, Part 2 In-Reply-To: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> References: <9811A78B0AA646DDB3BF80D52FBA6EF6@Rufus> Message-ID: <4a04a9dc.0906c00a.19bb.0ae8@mx.google.com> Joe and all, Well said. I really do like this approach and would love to see it move forward. Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri May 8 21:57:12 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:57:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com> <699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley> Message-ID: <000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so you looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor was instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you going back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one this time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on my own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would you handle this? Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Hi Gedi, > > That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. > Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some have > more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer > employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a > program called workforce recruitment program for students with > disabilities out there. > I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my > counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not > doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a > secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. > > I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm > stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office job. > It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten more > confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with kids, > I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in education. > Then I will teach. > I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized through > soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage > conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for it. > > Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still > believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us > to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we studied > for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab > counselor. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri May 8 22:19:00 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 17:19:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Independent Living Library Liaison Iowa Message-ID: State of Iowa Transfer/Promotional Opportunity Senior Services Specialist for the Blind 1 May 8, 2009 Independent Living Library Liaison This is an eighteen month merit exempt position. Supports library patrons with the conversion to the use of digital talking books. Provides instruction one-on-one and in groups across the state on the use of new and existing technologies needed to access reading materials in alternative media. Develops book discussion groups and works with library staff to identify and develop resources these groups can use to become self-directed and self-sustaining. Coordinates library services and activities with other agency services and activities. Assesses need for blindness related services, provides basic instruction in the use of alternative techniques and low vision aids, and makes referrals as appropriate for additional agency services. Develops and implements outreach strategies designed to increase the number of individuals who access and use agency services with a special focus on library services. Makes presentations on library services to consumer groups and civic, social and professional organizations and participates in public awareness events. Must possess knowledge of or be able to learn effective alternative techniques of blindness, particularly in the areas of communications, travel with a long white cane, and home and personal management. Must possess highly developed teaching and counseling skills, good public speaking and writing skills, excellent organizational skills, and excellent judgment. Must possess the abilities to handle sensitive situations, solve problems, and work as a member of a team. Intensive training in appropriate skills and attitudes of blindness will be provided. Extensive statewide travel. Some evenings, overnights, and weekends. This position will not extend beyond eighteen months. Minimum qualifications are: Graduation from an accredited college or university with a degree in human service-oriented sciences, education, marketing, or business and experience equal to three years of full time professional work, or; the equivalent of three years of full-time experience as a rehabilitation counselor or teacher shall be considered as qualifying provided the employee has successfully completed training to meet the certification criteria established by the agency, or; an equivalent combination of education and experience, substituting the equivalent of one year of full-time professional work experience for each year of the required education to a maximum substitution of four years. Salary range: $42,369.60 - $64,521.60 annually, plus comprehensive benefit package, pay grade 28, pay plan 000 Hours: 8:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., Monday-Friday For further information contact Becky Criswell, Supervisor, Independent Living, at 515-281-1299 or 800-362-2587. Persons who wish to be considered for this position must submit a resume and letter of application to Karen A. Keninger, Iowa Department for the Blind, 524 Fourth Street, Des Moines, IA 50309 or karen.keninger at blind.state.ia.us no later than 4:30 p.m. on Monday, May 18, 2009. EEO/AA From liamskitten at gmail.com Fri May 8 23:33:14 2009 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:33:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist In-Reply-To: <000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com> <699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley> <000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com> Rania, I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. Hth Courtney On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: > How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so you > looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could > finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor was > instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you going > back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and > transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one this > time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on my > own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would you > handle this? > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >> Hi Gedi, >> >> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some have >> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a >> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >> disabilities out there. >> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a >> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >> >> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office job. >> >> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten more >> >> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with kids, >> >> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in education. >> >> Then I will teach. >> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized through >> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for it. >> >> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still >> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us >> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we studied >> >> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >> counselor. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat May 9 00:35:21 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 20:35:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the only thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things online. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Stover" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Rania, > > I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. > signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for > transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with > someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better > suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. > Hth > Courtney > > On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so >> you >> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could >> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor >> was >> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you going >> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one >> this >> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on >> my >> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would >> you >> handle this? >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>> Hi Gedi, >>> >>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>> have >>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a >>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>> disabilities out there. >>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a >>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>> >>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >>> job. >>> >>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten >>> more >>> >>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>> kids, >>> >>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>> education. >>> >>> Then I will teach. >>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>> through >>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for >>> it. >>> >>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still >>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us >>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>> studied >>> >>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>> counselor. >>> >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat May 9 02:17:56 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:17:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley> <000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <8E5A02E4C9304945B2B113804B9E1AEF@Ashley> Rania, If you truly feel you'd be successful in this field of choice, massage, then go for it. Take the rest of the classes where you got accepted. You should think about this though. How much is the salary for these professionals? Do you have to travel to see clients and if so, can you pay a driver? Will you have enough clients to make a living on this? These are questions to ponder. What I mean is research the profession and maybe job shadow some professionals or at least interview them. Find out what a typical day is like. I say this so you don't go to school only to find out this field isn't for you. After thinking and researching the field, if you still believe this is right for you, then continue. Say to your counselor "I've researched the field and I'd make approximately blank as an entry level salary. Professionals tell me they like their job because, fill in the blank with reasons." Tell your counselor what skills and personality you have to make a good fit for the job. Then say because of the above reasons I feel I'd be a good fit for this job. Your counselor may be steering you to a job because he/she may feel you would not succeed in this field. You failed a class twice you say and perhaps they think its a waste to finish massage school. Also some counselors have low expectations and this may be the case too. I don't know since i don't know the situation. Either 1( the counselor is steering you toward a job because they don't see you being successful in this work. Some people are just not good matches for a certain profession or 2( they have low expectations and steer all blind clients to certain jobs. I think you should find out the justification for your counselor wishing you to work. Where do they want you to work? See their reasons and plans. Do research on the field and really think about why you want to do this. If you still wish to do this then stick to it and explain your reasoning to VR. Listen to their side, but ultimately its your decission. You have a right to determine your employment path. You can say no to their plan. In my state and it may be true in yours you have a document, the IPE, individual plan for employment. The ipe will lay out steps to get a job. If you run into resistance the nfb can help. I think it would be good to have blind mentors in your field too. What profession is it? What parts of the body would you work on and are these clients healing from injury or getting a massage to relax? The American foundation for the blind has a mentor program on the internet called career connect. NFB might be able to pair you with a mentor too. Good luck. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so > you looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you > could finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your > counselor was instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead > of you going back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school > and transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither > one this time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted > all on my own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How > would you handle this? > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >> Hi Gedi, >> >> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some have >> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a >> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >> disabilities out there. >> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a >> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >> >> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >> job. It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've >> gotten more confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to >> volunteer with kids, I might go into childcare or go back to school for a >> masters in education. Then I will teach. >> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized through >> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for it. >> >> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still >> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us >> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >> studied for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >> counselor. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat May 9 02:49:49 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:49:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <8E5A02E4C9304945B2B113804B9E1AEF@Ashley> Message-ID: <000501c9d050$d37aeee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> They would be getting a full body massage. I would like to work with client's who have cronic pain sinse i can relate to what they are going threw. I have a few client's now who have it from injerys and they are pleased with the job I do. I will also give those who want a relaxation a relaxation massage. We give the client the type of massage they want. I want to finish up because I only have about 12 more classes to take but I want to take them whare I got excepted. I have had to fight to get rehab to even pay for me to go to school for massage in the first place because I was told that I wouldn't be able to understand what the teacher was saying because of my comprehenssion and retension issues that are part of my learning disability. I also want to finish up while the information is still fresh and so I feel like the last year and a half i spent didn't go to waste. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Rania, > If you truly feel you'd be successful in this > field of choice, massage, then go for it. Take the rest of the classes > where you got accepted. > > You should think about this though. How much is the salary for these > professionals? > Do you have to travel to see clients and if so, can you pay a driver? > Will you have enough clients to make a living on this? These are > questions to ponder. What I mean is research the profession and maybe job > shadow some professionals or at least interview them. Find out what a > typical day is like. > > I say this so you don't go to school only to find out this field isn't for > you. After thinking and researching the field, if you still believe this > is right for you, then continue. Say to your counselor "I've researched > the field and I'd make approximately blank as an entry level salary. > Professionals tell me they like their job because, fill in the blank with > reasons." > Tell your counselor what skills and personality you have to make a good > fit for the job. Then say because of the above reasons I feel I'd be a > good fit for this job. > > Your counselor may be steering you to a job > because he/she may feel you would not succeed in this field. You failed a > class twice you say and perhaps they think its a waste to finish massage > school. > Also some counselors have low expectations and this may be the case too. > I don't know since i don't know the situation. Either 1( the counselor is > steering you toward a job because they don't see you being successful in > this work. Some people are just not good matches for a certain profession > or 2( > they have low expectations and steer all blind clients to certain jobs. I > think you should find out the justification for your counselor wishing you > to work. Where do they want you to work? See their reasons and plans. > Do research on the field and really think about why you want to do this. > If you still wish to do this then stick to it and explain your reasoning > to VR. > Listen to their side, but ultimately its your decission. > You have a right to determine your employment path. You can say no to > their plan. In my state and it may be true in yours you have a document, > the IPE, individual plan for employment. The ipe will lay out steps to > get a job. If you run into resistance the nfb can help. > > I think it would be good to have blind mentors in your field too. What > profession is it? What parts of the body would you work on and are these > clients healing from injury or getting a massage to relax? > The American foundation for the blind has a mentor program on the internet > called career connect. > NFB might be able to pair you with a mentor too. > > Good luck. > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so >> you looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you >> could finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your >> counselor was instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job >> instead of you going back to school like you would like to. I am paying >> for school and transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me >> with neither one this time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and >> got excepted all on my own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to >> go to work. How would you handle this? >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>> Hi Gedi, >>> >>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>> have more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find >>> summer employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately >>> there's a program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>> disabilities out there. >>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a >>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>> >>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >>> job. It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've >>> gotten more confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to >>> volunteer with kids, I might go into childcare or go back to school for >>> a masters in education. Then I will teach. >>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>> through soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for >>> it. >>> >>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still >>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us >>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>> studied for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>> counselor. >>> >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat May 9 02:50:55 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 22:50:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: Rania, If you are sure you'll make it in this field, that you can live off this salary, then go for it. Continue to sign up for classes and pay for transportation on your own. Selling things online cannot generate enough money to live on. So I don't agree with your counselor. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with >what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the only >thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things online. > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Stover" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >> Rania, >> >> I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. >> signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for >> transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with >> someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better >> suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. >> Hth >> Courtney >> >> On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >>> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so >>> you >>> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could >>> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor >>> was >>> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you >>> going >>> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >>> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one >>> this >>> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on >>> my >>> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would >>> you >>> handle this? >>> Rania, >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>> >>> >>>> Hi Gedi, >>>> >>>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>>> have >>>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a >>>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>>> disabilities out there. >>>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >>>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a >>>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>>> >>>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >>>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >>>> job. >>>> >>>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten >>>> more >>>> >>>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>>> kids, >>>> >>>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>>> education. >>>> >>>> Then I will teach. >>>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>>> through >>>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who >>>> still >>>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to >>>> us >>>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>>> studied >>>> >>>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>>> counselor. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Sat May 9 06:20:09 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question Message-ID: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey all, A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until after a job offer is made? Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to choose between methodologies). I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this question. Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From liamskitten at gmail.com Sat May 9 08:58:10 2009 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 03:58:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7949e5e20905090158m9b38fb2wbcbef2b142402346@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I'm not leadership persee, but I am part of the organization, so I'll throw in my two cents. It depends to me on whether the person has relatively stable vision, or whether there is a good chance that person's vision will deteriorate. If the person's vision is relatively stable (meaning you have retained the same level of vision for years and that level is not likely to radically change, then the line becomes blurry. If by having enough vision to suffice, you mean that the person will not behave in socially unacceptable manners e.g trailing one's hand across the wall, then I would say that no, the person does not have a moral obligation to bring the cane. If, however, even with stable vision, without the cane, you will conduct yourself in a manner which is not socially acceptable you have both a moral obligation and an obligation to yourself to bring the cane, since bringing the cane will keep you from committing actions which may jepordize your chances. If your vision is not stable and may deteriorate, no matter what your current vision level is, you always have the moral obligation to bring a cane. To me, this is a matter of giving your boss an impression of having abilities you may not have in the future. You may still be able to complete the same tasks with adaptations. However, your boss will be expecting the completion of those tasks with the aid of your vision, and when the vision is no longer available, the boss may feel you have deceived them. Whether you believe you did so or not, if the boss believes so, you will have been broken. I hope this begins to answer your question. Courtney On 5/9/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Hey all, > > A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, > > What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to > suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her > cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until > after a job offer is made? > > Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of > Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to > choose between methodologies). > > I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this > question. > > Jim > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat May 9 09:12:20 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 02:12:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts In-Reply-To: <00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene> References: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20090507101512.GK77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> <00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <20090509091219.GN79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> It goes something like this... I am some random person, either an official of some kind, a banker, a lawyer, a widow, or something. I am writing to you about an arbitrary large amount of money with lots of zeroes as a number (repeated as words in parentheses). Please help me do this good deed and help yourself in the process. Contact me at this phone number (which I won't mention is a disposable mobile phone..) You do, and they get you to authorize bank transfers and there's a small fee that will be deducted from your account. Your life's savings, essentially. Congratulations, sucker, someone conveniently outside US jurisdiction just ripped you off and is laughing all the way to the bank where they quickly shift the money around a bit so it cannot be recovered by the time you manage to do something about it. Many variants exist because the original was so formulaic that even though the "story", currency, and value constantly changed, people wrote programs (and not even terribly smart programs) to spot one of these things a mile away. The original message kind of resembles a 419 message. (419 is the country code for calling Nigeria, by the way, though modern variants purport to be from many countries.) Joseph On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 06:24:32PM -0400, Serena wrote: > What's a "four one nine email?" > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:15 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to > Budget Cuts > > >> Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm seriously >> asking. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >>> ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >>> We are deeply >>> concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >>> Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >>> tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >>> people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >>> reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >>> background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >>> source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >>> abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >>> the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >>> essential service. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Sat May 9 10:10:17 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 06:10:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <739C20263FC041FCA91C07235C013F71@Jessica> Jim, I would say no. Unless they ask me if I've visually impaired. Which by the way doesn't happen because it can't of course. In general most people don't even realize that I'm visually impaired because I've adapted to it so well. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: "NABS mail list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:20 AM Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question > Hey all, > > A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, > > What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to > suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her > cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until > after a job offer is made? > > Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of > Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to > choose between methodologies). > > I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this > question. > > Jim > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From sarah at growingstrong.org Sat May 9 11:07:52 2009 From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:07:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <739C20263FC041FCA91C07235C013F71@Jessica> Message-ID: Jim, why would a person hide blindness in a job interview? This is not a question of choosing methodologies. This is a question of being uncomfortable with blindness. Suppose the person then got the job and wanted to use the cane at work. The person would then be faced with the challenge of explaining why the cane was not brought to the interview in the first place--not necessarily of justifying the need for it legally, but certainly an uncomfortable situation. It is better to have the cards on the table and encourage the employer to look to your professional skills in hiring decisions. Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ From serenacucco at verizon.net Sat May 9 13:53:19 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:53:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts References: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com><20090507101512.GK77080@yumi.bluecherry.net><00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene> <20090509091219.GN79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <006b01c9d0ad$832f8920$0401a8c0@Serene> Oh, so a nasty scam! Have we figured out if the petition is real or one of these scams yet? Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:12 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts > It goes something like this... > > I am some random person, either an official of some kind, a banker, a > lawyer, a widow, or something. I am writing to you about an arbitrary > large amount of money with lots of zeroes as a number (repeated as words > in parentheses). Please help me do this good deed and help yourself in > the process. Contact me at this phone number (which I won't mention is a > disposable mobile phone..) > > You do, and they get you to authorize bank transfers and there's a small > fee that will be deducted from your account. Your life's savings, > essentially. > > Congratulations, sucker, someone conveniently outside US jurisdiction just > ripped you off and is laughing all the way to the bank where they quickly > shift the money around a bit so it cannot be recovered by the time you > manage to do something about it. > > Many variants exist because the original was so formulaic that even though > the "story", currency, and value constantly changed, people wrote programs > (and not even terribly smart programs) to spot one of these things a mile > away. The original message kind of resembles a 419 message. (419 is the > country code for calling Nigeria, by the way, though modern variants > purport to be from many countries.) > > Joseph > > > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 06:24:32PM -0400, Serena wrote: >> What's a "four one nine email?" >> >> Serena >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to >> Budget Cuts >> >> >>> Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm seriously >>> asking. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>> ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >>>> We are deeply >>>> concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >>>> Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >>>> tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >>>> people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >>>> reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >>>> background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >>>> source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >>>> abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >>>> the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >>>> essential service. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From fowlers at syix.com Sat May 9 15:04:22 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:04:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <743E2DEA99CB434AA8BA52C42E146074@angelab> No, it would not be right to hide a disability in that way for two reasons. First its deceptive to the employer, and will cause serious problems when the disability is inevitably discovered. Second, what if a totally blind person is applying for the same position and has slightly better qualifications? What if the employer hires you over that other person because you "aren't blind?" That would be a messed-up deal for everyone. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:20 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question Hey all, A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until after a job offer is made? Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to choose between methodologies). I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this question. Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sat May 9 15:08:44 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:08:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com><000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <004101c9d0b8$0c317ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> My point rite on. It will not even give me enough money to hold on to part time. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Rania, > If you are sure you'll make it in this field, that you can live off this > salary, then go for it. > Continue to sign up for classes and pay for transportation on your own. > Selling things online cannot generate enough money to live on. So I don't > agree with your counselor. > > Ashley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >>I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with >>what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the only >>thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things online. >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Linda Stover" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>> Rania, >>> >>> I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. >>> signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for >>> transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with >>> someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better >>> suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. >>> Hth >>> Courtney >>> >>> On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >>>> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice >>>> so you >>>> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could >>>> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor >>>> was >>>> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you >>>> going >>>> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >>>> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one >>>> this >>>> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on >>>> my >>>> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would >>>> you >>>> handle this? >>>> Rania, >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Gedi, >>>>> >>>>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>>>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>>>> have >>>>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>>>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's >>>>> a >>>>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>>>> disabilities out there. >>>>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>>>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >>>>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not >>>>> a >>>>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>>>> >>>>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >>>>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >>>>> job. >>>>> >>>>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten >>>>> more >>>>> >>>>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>>>> kids, >>>>> >>>>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>>>> education. >>>>> >>>>> Then I will teach. >>>>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>>>> through >>>>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>>>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who >>>>> still >>>>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to >>>>> us >>>>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>>>> studied >>>>> >>>>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>>>> counselor. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sat May 9 15:43:25 2009 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:43:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Stover" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Rania, > > I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. > signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for > transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with > someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better > suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. > Hth > Courtney > > On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice so >> you >> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could >> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor >> was >> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you going >> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one >> this >> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on >> my >> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would >> you >> handle this? >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>> Hi Gedi, >>> >>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>> have >>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's a >>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>> disabilities out there. >>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not a >>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>> >>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >>> job. >>> >>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten >>> more >>> >>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>> kids, >>> >>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>> education. >>> >>> Then I will teach. >>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>> through >>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for >>> it. >>> >>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who still >>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to us >>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>> studied >>> >>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>> counselor. >>> >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ginisd%40sbcglobal.net From sarah at growingstrong.org Sat May 9 15:47:54 2009 From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:47:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checksdue to Budget Cuts References: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com><20090507101512.GK77080@yumi.bluecherry.net><00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene><20090509091219.GN79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> <006b01c9d0ad$832f8920$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <3A0930623FCC4441B36EE82F24E94A9F@TINYLAPTOP> Background checks are done through the state. This smells like a scam to me, though it is worth investigating through appropriate channels. Background checks do cost employers money; but hiring employees to work with people with disabilities without doing background checks would raise the roof of social service agencies. Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat May 9 15:55:39 2009 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:55:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts In-Reply-To: <20090509091219.GN79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <150971.2010.qm@web56102.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20090507101512.GK77080@yumi.bluecherry.net> <00d501c9cf62$98f9eb70$0401a8c0@Serene> <20090509091219.GN79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <4383d01d0905090855h6681d593je45cce5efd2dc9c7@mail.gmail.com> I heard about those on Oprah. 419 e-nauks are a bad news thing. On 5/9/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > It goes something like this... > > I am some random person, either an official of some kind, a banker, a > lawyer, a widow, or something. I am writing to you about an > arbitrary large amount of money with lots of zeroes as a number > (repeated as words in parentheses). Please help me do this good deed > and help yourself in the process. Contact me at this phone number > (which I won't mention is a disposable mobile phone..) > > You do, and they get you to authorize bank transfers and there's a > small fee that will be deducted from your account. Your life's > savings, essentially. > > Congratulations, sucker, someone conveniently outside US jurisdiction > just ripped you off and is laughing all the way to the bank where > they quickly shift the money around a bit so it cannot be recovered > by the time you manage to do something about it. > > Many variants exist because the original was so formulaic that even > though the "story", currency, and value constantly changed, people > wrote programs (and not even terribly smart programs) to spot one of > these things a mile away. The original message kind of resembles a > 419 message. (419 is the country code for calling Nigeria, by the > way, though modern variants purport to be from many countries.) > > Joseph > > > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 06:24:32PM -0400, Serena wrote: >> What's a "four one nine email?" >> >> Serena >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to >> Budget Cuts >> >> >>> Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm seriously >>> asking. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>> ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >>>> We are deeply >>>> concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >>>> Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >>>> tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >>>> people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >>>> reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >>>> background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >>>> source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >>>> abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >>>> the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >>>> essential service. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net Sat May 9 17:06:03 2009 From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (hannah) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 10:06:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question Message-ID: <20090509170510.WZEQ28471.omta01.suddenlink.net@BrailleNote> I think if a person has a vision impairment and needs a cane sometime or uses one, then they should bring it with them to a job interview because one never knows what's going to happen. For example they might be expected to read or write something and the person only has enough vision for large print, but the people didn't know it, then the person might not be hired. Also if a person brings their cane with them beforehand, then the people would know how to assist because if a visually impaired person was hired and the coworkers didn't know that the person had a disability, then it might cause difficulties. If a person needs a cane, then they should bring it during important events in their life such as a job interview because it shows that that person is honest and capable. Also it shows that the person is professional. Anyways those are my thoughts from what I've gathered. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Jim Reed To: NABS mail list Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:20:09 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question >Hey all, >A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, >What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until after a job offer is made? >Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to choose between methodologies). >I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this question. >Jim >"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklyli cious%40suddenlink.net From hope.paulos at maine.edu Sat May 9 18:52:47 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 14:52:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><739C20263FC041FCA91C07235C013F71@Jessica> Message-ID: I could not agree more, Sarah. This is a question of feeling uncomfortable with blindness. Hope and beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah J. Blake" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A moral question > Jim, why would a person hide blindness in a job interview? This is not a > question of choosing methodologies. This is a question of being > uncomfortable with blindness. Suppose the person then got the job and > wanted to use the cane at work. The person would then be faced with the > challenge of explaining why the cane was not brought to the interview in > the first place--not necessarily of justifying the need for it legally, > but certainly an uncomfortable situation. It is better to have the cards > on the table and encourage the employer to look to your professional > skills in hiring decisions. > > Sarah J. Blake > Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org > http://www.growingstrong.org > > I'm protected by SpamBrave > http://www.spambrave.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 9 19:14:33 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:14:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <99A0A323287B4572A74C1F07EFF57B48@sarahd0fffdcf6> I'd take my cane in and explain what it is fore and tht I might need it aroundthe work place and show that I'm capable of doing said job no matter what. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:20 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question Hey all, A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until after a job offer is made? Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to choose between methodologies). I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this question. Jim "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sat May 9 23:16:46 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:16:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim: I would guess that, in part, it would depend on your intentions. First let me say that I think there are two reasons that we carry a cane. First, it helps us get around. If you need it, you need it. Secondly, it identifies us as blind persons. So, if you don't normally carry one, even though you are visually impaired I guess that is ok. However, if you normally carry one, but don't t0o an interview, then you are trying to "pass" as a sighted person and will eventually be found out. In that case the employer might feel you deceived him or her, and the back lash might be worse then identifying yourself as a blind person initially by carrying a cane. It is hard to know in advance. Further, I suspect that some people who try to "pass" give them selves away, and are only deluding themselves that no one knows. At least people might think they were odd and not quite know why. Dave At 01:20 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote: >Hey all, > >A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, > >What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision >to suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take >his/her cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a >disability until after a job offer is made? > >Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of >Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the >option to choose between methodologies). > >I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer >this question. > >Jim > >"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat May 9 23:32:03 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:32:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to Budget Cuts In-Reply-To: <006b01c9d0ad$832f8920$0401a8c0@Serene> References: <20090509091219.GN79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> <006b01c9d0ad$832f8920$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <20090509233203.GT79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> I wonder if perhaps either nobody took my question seriously, or nobody knows (or knows anyone who knows) for certain that it is legitimate. Given the size of NABS and the connections to an organization the size of the NFB as a whole, that raises some red flags. DPPC is a Massachusetts state agency. Where is the NFB based? Additionally, the message doesn't look like the typical sort of message a state agency would release. If you need money for something like this, you have your grant writers ... write grant proposals. You don't just ask random outsiders to help you find the money. Something's doesn't look right here, that's all I'm saying. Joseph On Sat, May 09, 2009 at 09:53:19AM -0400, Serena wrote: > Oh, so a nasty scam! Have we figured out if the petition is real or one > of these scams yet? > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 5:12 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due to > Budget Cuts > > >> It goes something like this... >> >> I am some random person, either an official of some kind, a banker, a >> lawyer, a widow, or something. I am writing to you about an arbitrary >> large amount of money with lots of zeroes as a number (repeated as >> words in parentheses). Please help me do this good deed and help >> yourself in the process. Contact me at this phone number (which I >> won't mention is a disposable mobile phone..) >> >> You do, and they get you to authorize bank transfers and there's a >> small fee that will be deducted from your account. Your life's >> savings, essentially. >> >> Congratulations, sucker, someone conveniently outside US jurisdiction >> just ripped you off and is laughing all the way to the bank where they >> quickly shift the money around a bit so it cannot be recovered by the >> time you manage to do something about it. >> >> Many variants exist because the original was so formulaic that even >> though the "story", currency, and value constantly changed, people >> wrote programs (and not even terribly smart programs) to spot one of >> these things a mile away. The original message kind of resembles a 419 >> message. (419 is the country code for calling Nigeria, by the way, >> though modern variants purport to be from many countries.) >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 06:24:32PM -0400, Serena wrote: >>> What's a "four one nine email?" >>> >>> Serena >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:15 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition: Elimination of Background Checks due >>> to Budget Cuts >>> >>> >>>> Are we sure this isn't a 419 (four one nine) email? Yes, I'm >>>> seriously asking. >>>> >>>> Joseph >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 02:02:40AM -0700, Rob Lambert wrote: >>>>> ELIMINATION OF BACKGROUND CHECKS DUE TO BUDGET CUTS >>>>> We are deeply >>>>> concerned that as of April 1, the DPPC (Disabled Persons Protection >>>>> Commission), because of budget cuts, had to stop allowing employers to >>>>> tap into its database of complaints to do background checks on the >>>>> people they want to hire to work with the disabled. It has been >>>>> reported that the DPPC is applying for a federal grant to continue the >>>>> background checks, but until money comes from either a grant or another >>>>> source, people with disabilities could potentially be victims of more >>>>> abuse and neglect than in the past. We urge you to help the DPPC find >>>>> the money - $60,000 (sixty thousand) - to continue providing this >>>>> essential service. From oceanrls at hotmail.com Sun May 10 01:16:23 2009 From: oceanrls at hotmail.com (rachel Jacobs) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 21:16:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would say that it is important to do what feels right. I think that it is important to feel comfortable when going to a job interview. Yes if you have a cane in the interview the employer may know the disability. They will obviously know that you are blind. This may or may not effect the chance of getting that job. I feel that I want to work for someone who treats the blind equally and does not judge them because they are blind. Unfortunately there are those employers who find ways to not hire someone if they know you are blind. So, I think that if you feel comfortable going without your cane than do that. At some point I imagine being blind will come up. Just do what feels most comfortable for you. Hope this helps! Rachel Jacobs President of the Manasota Chapter ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A moral question > Jim: > > I would guess that, in part, it would depend on your intentions. First > let me say that I think there are two reasons that we carry a cane. > First, it helps us get around. If you need it, you need it. Secondly, it > identifies us as blind persons. > > So, if you don't normally carry one, even though you are visually impaired > I guess that is ok. However, if you normally carry one, but don't t0o an > interview, then you are trying to "pass" as a sighted person and will > eventually be found out. In that case the employer might feel you > deceived him or her, and the back lash might be worse then identifying > yourself as a blind person initially by carrying a cane. It is hard to > know in advance. > > Further, I suspect that some people who try to "pass" give them selves > away, and are only deluding themselves that no one knows. At least people > might think they were odd and not quite know why. > > Dave > > At 01:20 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote: >>Hey all, >> >>A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, >> >>What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to >>suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her >>cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until >>after a job offer is made? >> >>Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of >>Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to >>choose between methodologies). >> >>I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this >>question. >> >>Jim >> >>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >>http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com > From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sun May 10 03:46:47 2009 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 22:46:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423e6e460905092046r1e4c60b9o4685fc7500f50830@mail.gmail.com> Jim and listers, If you are a cane user and choose not to bring your cane to a job interview then you are deceiving your potential employer and not giving him or her the opportunity to make an informed decision as to whether or not they want to hire you. As blind people we are automatically at a disadvantage when it comes to employment opportunities because the majority of people buy into the stereotypes of blindness and are unaware of the alternative techniques that we use to accomplish everyday tasks. If you as a blind person choose not to bring your cane to a job interview you are not only deceiving your future employer, you are also sending the message that you are ashamed of your blindness. Also, it has been pointed out to me by some of my sighted friends and family that people with residual vision walk differently with a cane then they do without. Using a cane and proper cane technique gives a blind traveler more confidence when walking and also improves their posture whereas traveling without a cane and use of good cane skills negatively affects a blind person’s posture and ability to travel safely. With this example I at least would choose to go to a job interview with my cane so that I could present myself as a competent blind person with the ability to safely and confidently travel. One last point that I will leave you with is that as Federationists it is our duty to help educate the general public on the subject of blindness. How can we help educate people if we are too afraid to put ourselves out there with our canes and our guide dogs? Also, even if we as blind people don’t get the job we applied for we can at least take pride in the fact that we helped dispel the myths about blindness for someone and that they will in turn understand that blind people can be confident, competent and successful members of society. Domonique Lawless Board member, National Association of Blind Students President, Tennessee Association of Blind Students Dlawless86 at gmail.com On 5/9/09, rachel Jacobs wrote: > I would say that it is important to do what feels right. I think that it is > important to feel comfortable when going to a job interview. Yes if you have > a cane in the interview the employer may know the disability. They will > obviously know that you are blind. This may or may not effect the chance of > getting that job. I feel that I want to work for someone who treats the > blind equally and does not judge them because they are blind. Unfortunately > there are those employers who find ways to not hire someone if they know you > are blind. So, I think that if you feel comfortable going without your cane > than do that. At some point I imagine being blind will come up. Just do what > feels most comfortable for you. Hope this helps! > Rachel Jacobs > President of the Manasota Chapter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A moral question > > >> Jim: >> >> I would guess that, in part, it would depend on your intentions. First >> let me say that I think there are two reasons that we carry a cane. >> First, it helps us get around. If you need it, you need it. Secondly, it >> >> identifies us as blind persons. >> >> So, if you don't normally carry one, even though you are visually impaired >> >> I guess that is ok. However, if you normally carry one, but don't t0o an >> interview, then you are trying to "pass" as a sighted person and will >> eventually be found out. In that case the employer might feel you >> deceived him or her, and the back lash might be worse then identifying >> yourself as a blind person initially by carrying a cane. It is hard to >> know in advance. >> >> Further, I suspect that some people who try to "pass" give them selves >> away, and are only deluding themselves that no one knows. At least people >> >> might think they were odd and not quite know why. >> >> Dave >> >> At 01:20 AM 5/9/2009, you wrote: >>>Hey all, >>> >>>A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, >>> >>>What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to >>>suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her >>>cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until >>>after a job offer is made? >>> >>>Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of >>>Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to >>>choose between methodologies). >>> >>>I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this >>>question. >>> >>>Jim >>> >>>"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sun May 10 04:03:07 2009 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:03:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist In-Reply-To: <004101c9d0b8$0c317ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com> <699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley> <000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <004101c9d0b8$0c317ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <423e6e460905092103n13ce1a7dgb63c191bc1186c58@mail.gmail.com> Rania and listers, Make sure that you know what your rights are as a blind student and client of the vocational rehabilitation system. Remember too that if you know the laws regarding vr and how they apply to you then you will automatically have a leg up so to speak when battling the system. If you can prove that what they are doing is a violation of your rights then you should fight them on it. Too many people just sit back and meekly accept what their counselors tell them when half the time their counselors don't know the law themselves and don't want to have to do the extra work to help you meet your goals. Another thing to remember is the fact that you can file for another vr counselor if yours is not helping you meet your vocational and academic goals. Standing up for yourself does not make you militant or a bad person and if you stand up for your rights then you are not only getting what you need, you are showing those in power that we as blind people can't be shoved in the corner and forgotten because of a bit of beurocracy. Domonique On 5/9/09, Rania wrote: > My point rite on. It will not even give me enough money to hold on to part > time. > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:50 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >> Rania, >> If you are sure you'll make it in this field, that you can live off this >> salary, then go for it. >> Continue to sign up for classes and pay for transportation on your own. >> Selling things online cannot generate enough money to live on. So I don't >> >> agree with your counselor. >> >> Ashley >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rania" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>>I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with >>>what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the only >>>thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things online. >>> Rania, >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Linda Stover" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>> >>> >>>> Rania, >>>> >>>> I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. >>>> signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for >>>> transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with >>>> someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better >>>> suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. >>>> Hth >>>> Courtney >>>> >>>> On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >>>>> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice >>>>> so you >>>>> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you could >>>>> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your counselor >>>>> >>>>> was >>>>> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you >>>>> going >>>>> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >>>>> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither one >>>>> >>>>> this >>>>> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all on >>>>> >>>>> my >>>>> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How would >>>>> you >>>>> handle this? >>>>> Rania, >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gedi, >>>>>> >>>>>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>>>>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>>>>> have >>>>>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>>>>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately there's >>>>>> a >>>>>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>>>>> disabilities out there. >>>>>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>>>>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was not >>>>>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its not >>>>>> a >>>>>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and I'm >>>>>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an office >>>>>> job. >>>>>> >>>>>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've gotten >>>>>> more >>>>>> >>>>>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>>>>> kids, >>>>>> >>>>>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>>>>> education. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I will teach. >>>>>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>>>>> through >>>>>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>>>>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality for >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who >>>>>> still >>>>>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up to >>>>>> us >>>>>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>>>>> studied >>>>>> >>>>>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>>>>> counselor. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun May 10 04:06:52 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:06:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] graduation ceremony References: <3DCA4044D7D349A5B4B18887E4240133@Ashley><009e01c9c39d$b9851c00$0301a8c0@Serene> <008901c9cdd8$b23d1f70$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <2C0B9A8256B342BFA0AEB9F9C3AC571B@Ashley> Serena, I have a poor sense of direction too. My guide will be a student usher helping with the ceremony. I have not met him/her before. I'm a bit nervous about doing this with a stranger and not practicing. The ceremony is in a huge place, not my school. I'm just generally nervous too like everyone else. My brother wanted to guide me but I did not want to share the moment with family. Hope it is the right decission. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graduation ceremony > Hi Ashley > > My guide was a fellow student I'd never met before. She guided me up to > the stage and across. I honestly have a poor sense of direction. From > what I remember, I was walking single file, or, at least, close to the > other students. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] graduation ceremony > > >> Hi Serena, >> >> Was your guide someone from university staff? My dss person also brought >> up seating although it was as a question and I did not feel forced to >> comply. She asked me if I wanted to sit in the section reserved for >> people with disabilities. I'd be closer to the stage then. Of course I >> said I'd rather sit with the rest of the graduating class. >> >> I think I'll have a guide from the university. Its going to be stressful >> enough walking in front of thousands and in front of the president of the >> university. If I had an opportunity to practice walking, I wouldn't need >> one. But I don't. This is an unfamiliar stage and place. >> >> Were you able to walk single file with the rest of the graduates to the >> stage or were you guided there too? >> >> Can you believe my family put pressure on me to let my brother whose a >> graduate of the school assist me during the ceremony? I'd much rather >> have a guide because walking with a family member just isn't right. I >> think it would look like I'm being taken care of. I'm not the greatest >> traveler as I don't have a good sense of direction, but I have used a >> cane since childhood and have improved my skills. I hope my family >> doesn't see me as so helpless that I need one of them to help me during >> an important ceremony. >> >> Ashley >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4054 (20090505) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun May 10 04:10:02 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:10:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] going to graduation References: <3DB9BDC1003042BF94D8413FC1F10D27@Ashley><61AB8C5BF5BE42ACA1DA988EB59D9EE7@TINYLAPTOP> <4287146ECE234EE0B3F284BFFCFFC555@Hope> Message-ID: <6B274945554A4766ACA8ED435DF01DA7@Ashley> Hi Hope, Congradulations on graduating and to anyone else doing the same. What's your major? Mine is liberal studies. I'm getting a bachelors too. Most of the population does not have a four degree and even fewer have masters. So feel proud. The ceremony is approaching. I hope it goes fine. I've not met my guide. We did not line up alphabetically in rehearsal so I don't even know whom I'm sitting with! I hope it goes well. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] going to graduation > Congratulations on obtaining your masters. What will it be in? I also am > graduating but with a mere bachelor's degree. . Everyone is very > accommodating at my s school as well and it's very nice. > Congrats again!!! > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah J. Blake" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] going to graduation > > >> Iwill be walking in my commencement ceremony this Saturday for my >> Master's degree. The graduation staff are meeting with me early to >> rehearse the layout and find out what I need in terms of arrangements for >> assistance and seating to accommodate my dog. I also have autoimmune >> disease which has been flaring badly, and I am uncertain whether I will >> be well enough to process. They have given me the option to process or >> not depending on how I feel--I'm just supposed to call that day and let >> them know whether I want to meet them at the destination--the procession >> is quite long. I truly appreciate my school's efforts to meet my various >> needs! >> >> Sarah J. Blake >> Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org >> http://www.growingstrong.org >> >> I'm protected by SpamBrave >> http://www.spambrave.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4055 (20090506) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sun May 10 07:10:57 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 00:10:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question In-Reply-To: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <366009.61428.qm@web65713.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090510071057.GV79519@yumi.bluecherry.net> I take my cane to job interviews. I figure I have just a few moments to explain the whole blindness thing to people. I do so, albeit rather dismissively. If I have an interview and they don't think a blind person can do the job and I can't change their minds in an interview, I wouldn't have the job for long anyway. Better to just get it over with, in my opinion. Joseph On Fri, May 08, 2009 at 11:20:09PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >Hey all, > >A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, > >What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until after a job offer is made? > >Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to choose between methodologies). > >I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this question. > >Jim > >"Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun May 10 08:50:46 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 04:50:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A moral question Message-ID: <20090510085046.3451.56475@web3.serotek.com> It sounds to me like you're placing the emphasis on the wrong thing: vision. You should be placing the emphasis on the individual. For most blind people, bringing the cane is less a moral issue and more one of common sense. A blind individual who accepts his/her blindness will bring the cane less from a moral standpoint and more from a practical one. There's a lot of issues and questions that go into this opinion, and I'm afraid it's an issue that must be tackled individually. Does that make sense? Respectfully Submitted, Jedi Original message: > Jim, > I'm not leadership persee, but I am part of the organization, so I'll > throw in my two cents. > It depends to me on whether the person has relatively stable vision, > or whether there is a good chance that person's vision will > deteriorate. If the person's vision is relatively stable (meaning you > have retained the same level of vision for years and that level is not > likely to radically change, then the line becomes blurry. If by > having enough vision to suffice, you mean that the person will not > behave in socially unacceptable manners e.g trailing one's hand across > the wall, then I would say that no, the person does not have a moral > obligation to bring the cane. If, however, even with stable vision, > without the cane, you will conduct yourself in a manner which is not > socially acceptable you have both a moral obligation and an obligation > to yourself to bring the cane, since bringing the cane will keep you > from committing actions which may jepordize your chances. > If your vision is not stable and may deteriorate, no matter what your > current vision level is, you always have the moral obligation to bring > a cane. To me, this is a matter of giving your boss an impression of > having abilities you may not have in the future. You may still be > able to complete the same tasks with adaptations. However, your boss > will be expecting the completion of those tasks with the aid of your > vision, and when the vision is no longer available, the boss may feel > you have deceived them. Whether you believe you did so or not, if the > boss believes so, you will have been broken. > I hope this begins to answer your question. > Courtney > On 5/9/09, Jim Reed wrote: >> Hey all, >> A hypothetical "what if" for you all to ponder, >> What if a blind person uses a cane regularly, but has enough vision to >> suffice without it. Would it be moral for that person to not take his/her >> cane into a job interview for the purposes of hidiinf a disability until >> after a job offer is made? >> Think discrimination laws vs lying vs. Dr. Jernigan's "The Nature of >> Independence" (By having the blindness training, you retain the option to >> choose between methodologies). >> I'd be particularly curious to hear how our leadership would answer this >> question. >> Jim >> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- REspectfully, Jedi Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Sun May 10 11:04:41 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:04:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist In-Reply-To: <423e6e460905092103n13ce1a7dgb63c191bc1186c58@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com><000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><004101c9d0b8$0c317ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <423e6e460905092103n13ce1a7dgb63c191bc1186c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3943689367654744AF5E2284D8F5C0BD@Jessica> Dominique, It may not just be the rehab counselor. It might also be the senior counselor and then that person's boss. This is the situation that I and Rania are both having. I know that because I've talked to her off list about her situation. And, if that's the case I would personally only have only one other counselor that I could work with and he has the same two bosses as the rehab counselor that I'm dealing with now. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Rania and listers, > > Make sure that you know what your rights are as a blind student and > client of the vocational rehabilitation system. Remember too that if > you know the laws regarding vr and how they apply to you then you will > automatically have a leg up so to speak when battling the system. If > you can prove that what they are doing is a violation of your rights > then you should fight them on it. Too many people just sit back and > meekly accept what their counselors tell them when half the time > their counselors don't know the law themselves and don't want to have > to do the extra work to help you meet your goals. Another thing to > remember is the fact that you can file for another vr counselor if > yours is not helping you meet your vocational and academic goals. > Standing up for yourself does not make you militant or a bad person > and if you stand up for your rights then you are not only getting what > you need, you are showing those in power that we as blind people can't > be shoved in the corner and forgotten because of a bit of beurocracy. > > Domonique > > On 5/9/09, Rania wrote: >> My point rite on. It will not even give me enough money to hold on to >> part >> time. >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>> Rania, >>> If you are sure you'll make it in this field, that you can live off this >>> salary, then go for it. >>> Continue to sign up for classes and pay for transportation on your own. >>> Selling things online cannot generate enough money to live on. So I >>> don't >>> >>> agree with your counselor. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rania" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>> >>> >>>>I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with >>>>what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the >>>>only >>>>thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things >>>>online. >>>> Rania, >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Linda Stover" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. >>>>> signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for >>>>> transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with >>>>> someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better >>>>> suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. >>>>> Hth >>>>> Courtney >>>>> >>>>> On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >>>>>> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice >>>>>> so you >>>>>> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you >>>>>> could >>>>>> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your >>>>>> counselor >>>>>> >>>>>> was >>>>>> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you >>>>>> going >>>>>> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >>>>>> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither >>>>>> one >>>>>> >>>>>> this >>>>>> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all >>>>>> on >>>>>> >>>>>> my >>>>>> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How >>>>>> would >>>>>> you >>>>>> handle this? >>>>>> Rania, >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement >>>>>> specialist >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gedi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>>>>>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately >>>>>>> there's >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>>>>>> disabilities out there. >>>>>>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>>>>>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an >>>>>>> office >>>>>>> job. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've >>>>>>> gotten >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> >>>>>>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>>>>>> kids, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>>>>>> education. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I will teach. >>>>>>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>>>>>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> us >>>>>>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>>>>>> studied >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>>>>>> counselor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun May 10 11:53:01 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 07:53:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com><699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley><000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com><000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><004101c9d0b8$0c317ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <423e6e460905092103n13ce1a7dgb63c191bc1186c58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003101c9d165$df6db1e0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Ok but my counselor's superviser is the one instructing my counselor to help me find a job when I don't even want to work rite now. Her superviser is also the one I have to go threw to request another counselor and he is not the easyest to get threw to. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > Rania and listers, > > Make sure that you know what your rights are as a blind student and > client of the vocational rehabilitation system. Remember too that if > you know the laws regarding vr and how they apply to you then you will > automatically have a leg up so to speak when battling the system. If > you can prove that what they are doing is a violation of your rights > then you should fight them on it. Too many people just sit back and > meekly accept what their counselors tell them when half the time > their counselors don't know the law themselves and don't want to have > to do the extra work to help you meet your goals. Another thing to > remember is the fact that you can file for another vr counselor if > yours is not helping you meet your vocational and academic goals. > Standing up for yourself does not make you militant or a bad person > and if you stand up for your rights then you are not only getting what > you need, you are showing those in power that we as blind people can't > be shoved in the corner and forgotten because of a bit of beurocracy. > > Domonique > > On 5/9/09, Rania wrote: >> My point rite on. It will not even give me enough money to hold on to >> part >> time. >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >> >> >>> Rania, >>> If you are sure you'll make it in this field, that you can live off this >>> salary, then go for it. >>> Continue to sign up for classes and pay for transportation on your own. >>> Selling things online cannot generate enough money to live on. So I >>> don't >>> >>> agree with your counselor. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Rania" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:35 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>> >>> >>>>I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with >>>>what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the >>>>only >>>>thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things >>>>online. >>>> Rania, >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Linda Stover" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>>> >>>> >>>>> Rania, >>>>> >>>>> I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. >>>>> signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for >>>>> transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with >>>>> someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better >>>>> suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. >>>>> Hth >>>>> Courtney >>>>> >>>>> On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >>>>>> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice >>>>>> so you >>>>>> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you >>>>>> could >>>>>> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your >>>>>> counselor >>>>>> >>>>>> was >>>>>> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you >>>>>> going >>>>>> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >>>>>> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither >>>>>> one >>>>>> >>>>>> this >>>>>> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all >>>>>> on >>>>>> >>>>>> my >>>>>> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How >>>>>> would >>>>>> you >>>>>> handle this? >>>>>> Rania, >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement >>>>>> specialist >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Gedi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>>>>>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>>>>>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately >>>>>>> there's >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>>>>>> disabilities out there. >>>>>>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>>>>>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and >>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an >>>>>>> office >>>>>>> job. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've >>>>>>> gotten >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> >>>>>>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>>>>>> kids, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>>>>>> education. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then I will teach. >>>>>>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>>>>>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> us >>>>>>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>>>>>> studied >>>>>>> >>>>>>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>>>>>> counselor. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From liz.bottner at gmail.com Sun May 10 14:07:07 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:07:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School Message-ID: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> Hi all, For those of you on list who are in grad school, I am seriously thinking about going myself, and I have some questions about the whole process. If any of you could write me off list at the email address in my signature, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks, and take care, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 From liz.bottner at gmail.com Sun May 10 17:11:32 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:11:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfb-announce] Announcement from BANA Seeking Participants Message-ID: <4a070aa9.1d35640a.4f92.ffffdcaf@mx.google.com> Hi all, I figured some on this list who will be at convention might want to participate in the below opportunity. If this information was already posted to the list, I do apologize or the duplicate. Take care, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 -----Original Message----- From: nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-announce-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Dunnam (by way of David Andrews ) Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 3:59 AM To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nfb-announce] Announcement from BANA Seeking Participants *** Attention Braille Readers who are Attending the NFB National Convention in Detroit: The Braille Authority of North America (BANA), in response to consumer requests, is conducting an evaluation of the Nemeth Uniform Braille System (NUBS). NUBS is an experimental code designed to include literary, math, and scientific information, combining all three codes into one unified system. As an initial phase of this evaluation, BANA is recruiting interested braille readers who will be attending the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) convention during July 3-5, 2009, in Detroit, Michigan. BANA is looking for a broad representation of participants--readers of various ages, with different levels of braille reading experience, and both casual and professional users of braille. At the convention, selected individuals will take part in sessions examining the experimental code. Some individuals will be assigned to a group task, and others to a half-hour individual task. If an individual is not selected for the convention tasks, he or she will be welcome to participate in a later survey. If you are interested in being considered as a participant in this phase, please send a message to brailleauthority at gmail.com. You will be asked to fill out a simple demographic questionnaire that will help BANA determine into which group you fall. From all of the responses received BANA will create participant groups of similar size. _______________________________________________ Nfb-announce mailing list Nfb-announce at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nfb-announce: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfb-announce_nfbnet.org/liz.bottner%40 gmail.com From pajohns1 at vt.edu Sun May 10 17:26:23 2009 From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:26:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] ZoomText 9 App Reader and IE 8Group, Message-ID: <09D65EF9448D4A2EAF2EB9863F830D23@useripvq7z5u3t> Group, Anyone else having the following problem? ZoomText's App Reader being unable to detect an active window when trying to read a web site in IE 8? An error ID#9 is generated, checking out the Knowledge Bank is out since I can't read web pages, I had no problems doing this in my previous version of Internet Explorer. Any suggestions most welcome. Thanks, Patrick From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun May 10 17:28:25 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 03:28:25 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School In-Reply-To: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Liz, I think this is a great topic for the list, so feel free to ask your questions on-list. A lot of us are on the verge of starting grad school, trying to decide whether or not to go, or even several years away from it but trying to get prepared for it. The responses gleaned from your questions could be helpful to a lot of students, so please share! Arielle On 5/11/09, Liz Bottner wrote: > Hi all, > > > > For those of you on list who are in grad school, I am seriously thinking > about going myself, and I have some questions about the whole process. If > any of you could write me off list at the email address in my signature, I > would greatly appreciate it. > > > > Thanks, and take care, > > > > Liz > > > > email: > > liz.bottner at gmail.com > > Visit my livejournal: > > > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > > Follow me on Twitter: > > http://twitter.com/lizbot > > Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March > for Independence: > > > am&fr_id=1050> > http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea > m&fr_id=1050 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun May 10 20:04:18 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:04:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Musician From Lordchain Joins Me On Tonight's Djd Invasion Message-ID: <9639E5914F3D4D96AAA56D55CA0BBA62@thedjdinvasion> Hello To All! First and foremost, happy to any and all mothers out there. Whether you have children, pets or both, if you're a mom of either, happy mother's day! And even if you're not a mom, don't worry, for The Djd Invasion has a great Mother's Day gift in store, for this promises to be a jam packed show to include: A show featuring some new music, primarily country Co host Hope from Maine just graduated from college, so we'll be talking with her some about that My sister Beth is expected to make a guest appearance to help with the co hosting And if that's not enough... I am honored to have Kelly Matthews of the band Lordchain coming on to the show tonight to speak about his band and his music! We'll be hearing a couple of songs from Lordchain tonight too! If you'd like to know more about Lordchain before the show, visit their web site at http://www.lordchain.net The show starts at 7 PM eastern (6 PM central, 5 PM mountain and 4 PM pacific) and goes for three hours. During the show, you can make requests by email/msn messenger at the address request at acbradio.org by aol instant messenger at the address djdrocks or when songs are not playing, you can call in live to talk or to ask Kelly questions during the interview by dialing 1-516-874-5071 or skyping us at thedjdinvasion Between the new songs, Hope, Kelly, Beth and more, this should be a mother's day night in front of the computer you won't forget! So to listen, save this email, and at 7 PM eastern (6 PM central, 5 PM mountain, 4 PM pacific) go to http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/listen.html to be connected to the program. I hope to see you all there! Best regards, David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion http://www.thedjdinvasion.com From liz.bottner at gmail.com Sun May 10 20:46:47 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:46:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School In-Reply-To: References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a073d14.0c1e640a.1140.ffffa70f@mx.google.com> Arielle and all, I have a lot of questions, but I'll start with a few: I have two schools that I'm looking at. I haven't yet taken the GRE, and I'm wondering whether or not to take it first before contacting the schools, or would it be better to contact the schools informing them of my interest and say that I haven't yet taken the GRE, but am making the necessary preparations to do so? Also, do I contact ETS first with accommodations, or do I go through the local testing center here that offers the test? I'm also trying to figure out how to obtain accessible practice materials. I think those are the basic things at the moment that I can think of off the top of my head. Take care, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Sun May 10 21:02:37 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab Message-ID: <285416.30448.qm@web65714.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Raina, There is a chain of command in place for a reason -- use it! if you have to, take your issue all the way to the state VR director. Additionally, it couldnt hurt to contact your state senators and your district's representative (state legislator, not U.S. Congress), Depending on whether your state legislator is in session, or depending on what the individual legislator's priorities are, they may be willing to help. What state do you live in? The following example isnt quite relivant, but it illustrates how using the chain of command can work. This past semester, I took a Public Budgeting class, and for my term paper I choose to focus on the budget implications of a new state park fee (Montanans no longer pay at the gate to enter state parks, now,  Montanan pays an opptional $4 state park fee when they register their vechile. BTW, the program is working great! it has increased revenue, and freed park staff to do things other than fee collection). Anyhow, for two months I repeatedly requested budget data from the state park's Buisness Manager, and for two months, I got the run-around. Then, I wrote the Director of Montana Fish, Wildlife, and Parks, and what do you know, I had my data the very next day! Also, where would someone go to look up VR laws? Jim PS. I bet if you set up a massage table at convention (if you are going), you could probably make some good money. "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." From amylsabo at comcast.net Sun May 10 21:23:53 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Musician From Lordchain Joins Me On Tonight's Djd Invasion In-Reply-To: <9639E5914F3D4D96AAA56D55CA0BBA62@thedjdinvasion> Message-ID: <267619181.7327881241990633698.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello david, thanks for as always for posting this to the lists and all! i have already posted the notes to the facebook pages so hopefully we will get lots of good press and also plenty of people to listen into the show tonight! i will as always be here at my computer in my comfy studio in lovely littleton, co and maybe becca too! but, i doubt since jacob is here and lately her life is with him and all! i will also be giving my 2 cents worth about the show and all and if skype doesn't go insane like it has the past couple of weeks i will definately will call in to chat with you all! well, my dear that's all for now take care and i will talk to you soon! hugs always, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dunphy To: Undisclosed-Recipient:; Sent: Sun, 10 May 2009 20:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Musician From Lordchain Joins Me On Tonight's Djd Invasion Hello To All! First and foremost, happy to any and all mothers out there. Whether you have children, pets or both, if you're a mom of either, happy mother's day! And even if you're not a mom, don't worry, for The Djd Invasion has a great Mother's Day gift in store, for this promises to be a jam packed show to include: A show featuring some new music, primarily country Co host Hope from Maine just graduated from college, so we'll be talking with her some about that My sister Beth is expected to make a guest appearance to help with the co hosting And if that's not enough... I am honored to have Kelly Matthews of the band Lordchain coming on to the show tonight to speak about his band and his music! We'll be hearing a couple of songs from Lordchain tonight too! If you'd like to know more about Lordchain before the show, visit their web site at http://www.lordchain.net The show starts at 7 PM eastern (6 PM central, 5 PM mountain and 4 PM pacific) and goes for three hours. During the show, you can make requests by email/msn messenger at the address request at acbradio.org by aol instant messenger at the address djdrocks or when songs are not playing, you can call in live to talk or to ask Kelly questions during the interview by dialing 1-516-874-5071 or skyping us at thedjdinvasion Between the new songs, Hope, Kelly, Beth and more, this should be a mother's day night in front of the computer you won't forget! So to listen, save this email, and at 7 PM eastern (6 PM central, 5 PM mountain, 4 PM pacific) go to http://www.thedjdinvasion.com/listen/listen.html to be connected to the program. I hope to see you all there! Best regards, David, A.K.A Djd, host of The Djd Invasion http://www.thedjdinvasion.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From oceanrls at hotmail.com Sun May 10 21:58:19 2009 From: oceanrls at hotmail.com (rachel Jacobs) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:58:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> <4a073d14.0c1e640a.1140.ffffa70f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Liz. I would suggest maybe applying to the schools and getting accepted before taking the GRE. Different programs don't always require you to take the GRE, at least where I am going to school. I would definitely contact the school's disability office and talk with them. They could probably steer you in the right direction on getting practice materials for the GRE. I first applied for graduate school and was accepted. I had an entrance interview and they told me that if I didn't do really well on the GRE not to necessarily worry about it. They look at all of your grades and all of that as well. If you think of anything else, please let me know. Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Bottner" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School Arielle and all, I have a lot of questions, but I'll start with a few: I have two schools that I'm looking at. I haven't yet taken the GRE, and I'm wondering whether or not to take it first before contacting the schools, or would it be better to contact the schools informing them of my interest and say that I haven't yet taken the GRE, but am making the necessary preparations to do so? Also, do I contact ETS first with accommodations, or do I go through the local testing center here that offers the test? I'm also trying to figure out how to obtain accessible practice materials. I think those are the basic things at the moment that I can think of off the top of my head. Take care, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com From liz.bottner at gmail.com Sun May 10 23:09:15 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 19:09:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School In-Reply-To: References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> <4a073d14.0c1e640a.1140.ffffa70f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a075e7b.2204be0a.6920.ffffced8@mx.google.com> Hi Rachael, I'm almost positive that both of the schools I'm looking at do require taking the GRE. Should I apply beforehand anyway, in spite of this fact? Thanks for the advice, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 From qmsingleton at comcast.net Sun May 10 23:38:29 2009 From: qmsingleton at comcast.net (Quintina M. Singleton) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:38:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Knfb Reader on Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo Message-ID: Please tune in to the next "Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo" internet radio program scheduled for Wednesday, May 13 at 8:00 PM EST. Mr. Ruffalo along with co-host Jerry Moreno will be speaking with successful salesman and sales manager, Michael Hingson, all about the KnfbReader Mobile. It's many features, the National sales program of the National Federation of the Blind, the newly assigned dealers as well as opportunities for others to become dealers, pricing and availability of the Reader, and much more will be discussed during this informative program. To listen via the web, visit www.thruoureyes.org or via telephone dial (201) 793 9022 pass code 2400484# Anyone interested in asking a question during the program may do so by calling 1 888 572 0141 To find out what shows are scheduled during the current month and / or to listen to both Current and Archived podcasts, just go to www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html Save the Date: On Wednesday June 3, the happenings of Newsline will be the focus of Mr. Ruffalo's program. Details coming soon. From oceanrls at hotmail.com Mon May 11 01:22:33 2009 From: oceanrls at hotmail.com (rachel Jacobs) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:22:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> <4a073d14.0c1e640a.1140.ffffa70f@mx.google.com> <4a075e7b.2204be0a.6920.ffffced8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Liz. I would definitely contact the person at the schools who work with the disabled. Maybe ask that person whether or not to apply first and then do the GRE. I would guess that since you would have to have it at either school that it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and just do the GRE first. Definitely begin the process of applying though. Grad school seems to take a little longer with the applying process. At least it did for me! If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Rachel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz Bottner" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School Hi Rachael, I'm almost positive that both of the schools I'm looking at do require taking the GRE. Should I apply beforehand anyway, in spite of this fact? Thanks for the advice, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon May 11 01:38:56 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:38:56 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School In-Reply-To: References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> <4a073d14.0c1e640a.1140.ffffa70f@mx.google.com> <4a075e7b.2204be0a.6920.ffffced8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Liz and all, What field are you planning to go into in grad school? The schools you are applying to should have Websites for each graduate program which will detail all the requirements and instructions for applying, deadlines, etc. That should be your first source of information. You can also talk to an academic advisor or professor in your field of interest at your current school (or former) to get a feel for what is required in your field for graduate study, what factors influence decisions, etc. Most programs will require the GRE to be taken before applying even if it doesn't weigh heavily on admissions decisions. You can find a lot of GRE info at www.ets.org/gre including the form that you will need to fill out to request testing accommodations. Definitely work with ETS first before contacting anyone local as they can tell you where you can test and when. It takes them a while to approve testing accommodations so start as soon as possible. The form is really pretty simple if I remember correctly, but if you have questions or run into trouble definitely call the ETS main number and ask to speak with Nora Hallenbeck or Ruth Loew. Both are very nice and Ruth has done a lot of work with NABS in the past. If Braille is your primary reading medium you can call ETS and ask them to send you a Braille test book. It's not as comprehensive as the print one, but does include a practice test so you can see where your strengths and weaknesses lie. There may also be accessible online resources, but I'm not familiar with them--others please chime in. I personally wouldn't recommend talking to disability offices at your school of choice at least until you get accepted, and even then, it's probably not necessary. Grad programs are typically small enough that accommodations can easily be negotiated with professors on a one-on-one basis. For example, my stats prof had no problem emailing me exams--end of issue. Also if it's a small class readings are more likely to be available online. Hope this is helpful and others please chime in if you have had different experiences or additional advice. Arielle On 5/11/09, rachel Jacobs wrote: > Hi Liz. I would definitely contact the person at the schools who work with > the disabled. Maybe ask that person whether or not to apply first and then > do the GRE. I would guess that since you would have to have it at either > school that it wouldn't hurt to go ahead and just do the GRE first. > Definitely begin the process of applying though. Grad school seems to take a > little longer with the applying process. At least it did for me! If you have > any other questions, feel free to ask. > Rachel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz Bottner" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 7:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School > > > Hi Rachael, > > I'm almost positive that both of the schools I'm looking at do require > taking the GRE. Should I apply beforehand anyway, in spite of this fact? > > Thanks for the advice, > > Liz > > email: > liz.bottner at gmail.com > Visit my livejournal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/lizbot > Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March > for Independence: > http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea > m&fr_id=1050 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From liz.bottner at gmail.com Mon May 11 02:01:01 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:01:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions related to Grad School In-Reply-To: References: <4a06df70.0c1e640a.052a.ffffa21b@mx.google.com> <4a073d14.0c1e640a.1140.ffffa70f@mx.google.com> <4a075e7b.2204be0a.6920.ffffced8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4a078699.1d35640a.4f92.ffff866b@mx.google.com> Arielle, Thanks for your input. I'm looking to go into a masters of teaching the visually impaired. I went ahead and contacted the director of the program at one of the schools I'm interested in, so I'll see what happens from there. Thanks for the GRE info. That's very helpful. I am a Braille reader, and so would definitely want to try and get a practice test. Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 From JFreeh at nfb.org Mon May 11 13:52:40 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:52:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Two Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollars to Go Into Space Today Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, ext. 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Two Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollars to Go Into Space Today National Federation of the Blind Launches Program to Sell 50,000 Coins before the Shuttle Returns KENNEDY SPACE CENTER (May 11, 2009): When the space shuttle Atlantis takes off today, it will carry two Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollars. This unique coin commemorates the birth of the inventor of the reading and writing code for the blind and is the first United States coin to contain tactile, readable Braille. At the same time, the National Federation of the Blind will launch a program to sell 50,000 of these limited edition coins to raise funds to advance Braille literacy in the United States before the shuttle returns to earth in eleven days. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: “This is an exciting moment because the general public has the chance to buy a piece of history­a coin that not only represents knowledge and empowerment for blind people but that also will visit the Hubbell Space Telescope. Just as the Hubbell telescope has advanced our knowledge of the universe, purchasing the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar will advance the cause of equality for the blind.” Mark Riccobono, executive director of the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, said: “Blind children in America are facing a crisis­only 10 percent of them are learning Braille, leaving 90 percent illiterate. It is imperative that the general public act swiftly to reverse illiteracy among blind children. That is why we are asking everyone to purchase a Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar before Atlantis returns to earth.” To purchase the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar, please visit www.usmint.gov or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468). The proof silver dollar is $41.95 and the uncirculated silver dollar is $33.95. For more information about the National Federation of the Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, please visit www.braille.org. ### From cnaylor073 at gmail.com Mon May 11 17:32:09 2009 From: cnaylor073 at gmail.com (Christina Mitchell) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:32:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist In-Reply-To: <3943689367654744AF5E2284D8F5C0BD@Jessica> References: <20090508050111.356.88422@web3.serotek.com> <699192340213480582592419C6007C0C@Ashley> <000501c9d027$f21d7ad0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <7949e5e20905081633m6179c0c6p50e68bf477f5e81d@mail.gmail.com> <000501c9d03e$09f8cd60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <004101c9d0b8$0c317ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <423e6e460905092103n13ce1a7dgb63c191bc1186c58@mail.gmail.com> <3943689367654744AF5E2284D8F5C0BD@Jessica> Message-ID: <54f02f10905111032j632fe72cn8c4de9613030470f@mail.gmail.com> How about when you go to job club to gain work experience, your job coach talks to the comission about placing you into a temp job program to let you get a feel on what it's like to work and the whole comission staff turns it down? What do you do from there? I'm being told these jobs aren't permanent jobs and they want us to have real jobs but I have no work experience so how will they just throw me into something I haven't been exposed to before? On 5/10/09, Jess wrote: > Dominique, > It may not just be the rehab counselor. It might also be the senior > counselor and then that person's boss. This is the situation that I and > Rania are both having. I know that because I've talked to her off list about > her situation. And, if that's the case I would personally only have only one > other counselor that I could work with and he has the same two bosses as the > rehab counselor that I'm dealing with now. > Jessica > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Domonique Lawless" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist > > >> Rania and listers, >> >> Make sure that you know what your rights are as a blind student and >> client of the vocational rehabilitation system. Remember too that if >> you know the laws regarding vr and how they apply to you then you will >> automatically have a leg up so to speak when battling the system. If >> you can prove that what they are doing is a violation of your rights >> then you should fight them on it. Too many people just sit back and >> meekly accept what their counselors tell them when half the time >> their counselors don't know the law themselves and don't want to have >> to do the extra work to help you meet your goals. Another thing to >> remember is the fact that you can file for another vr counselor if >> yours is not helping you meet your vocational and academic goals. >> Standing up for yourself does not make you militant or a bad person >> and if you stand up for your rights then you are not only getting what >> you need, you are showing those in power that we as blind people can't >> be shoved in the corner and forgotten because of a bit of beurocracy. >> >> Domonique >> >> On 5/9/09, Rania wrote: >>> My point rite on. It will not even give me enough money to hold on to >>> part >>> time. >>> Rania, >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:50 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>> >>> >>>> Rania, >>>> If you are sure you'll make it in this field, that you can live off this >>>> salary, then go for it. >>>> Continue to sign up for classes and pay for transportation on your own. >>>> Selling things online cannot generate enough money to live on. So I >>>> don't >>>> >>>> agree with your counselor. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Rania" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:35 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>>> >>>> >>>>>I have spoke to someone from the nfb and they told me to keep going with >>>>>what i am doing but my counselor still wants me to get a job but the >>>>>only >>>>>thing she could suggest to me as a part time job is selling things >>>>>online. >>>>> Rania, >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Linda Stover" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:33 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement specialist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Rania, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd handle it precisely the way you have been for the present, e.g. >>>>>> signing up for classes independently and continuing to pay for >>>>>> transportation. For the long term, have you considered speaking with >>>>>> someone affiliated with the NFB in your state? They might have better >>>>>> suggestions for handling the specific counselor you are dealing with. >>>>>> Hth >>>>>> Courtney >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/8/09, Rania wrote: >>>>>>> How about in my case whare you took a class twice but failed it twice >>>>>>> so you >>>>>>> looked for another school to go to in your field of choice so you >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> finish taking the classes you need only to find out that your >>>>>>> counselor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> instructed to help you come up with a plan for a job instead of you >>>>>>> going >>>>>>> back to school like you would like to. I am paying for school and >>>>>>> transportation this time sinse rehab is not helping me with neither >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> time. I applied and handed in my accommodations and got excepted all >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> own but rehab is trying to push so bad for me to go to work. How >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> handle this? >>>>>>> Rania, >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 12:55 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on meeting with a job placement >>>>>>> specialist >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Gedi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's right! Rehab should help you explore all the possibilities. >>>>>>>> Unfortunately, some rehab counselors are better than others and some >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> more open attitudes. Mine didn't do anything to help me find summer >>>>>>>> employment in college; I found it on my own since fortunately >>>>>>>> there's >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> program called workforce recruitment program for students with >>>>>>>> disabilities out there. >>>>>>>> I thought about working with kids in childcare or teaching but my >>>>>>>> counselor said negative things. She did not say No or say it was >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> doable. However she did imply it would be real difficult and its >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> secure job. She emphasized how much responsibility it was. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't really care about other opinions. I know my strengths and >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> stubborn. So I will try it if I want to. Right now I want an >>>>>>>> office >>>>>>>> job. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It pays more and is certainly more secure. Later on once I've >>>>>>>> gotten >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> confident in my own skills as well as had a chance to volunteer with >>>>>>>> kids, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I might go into childcare or go back to school for a masters in >>>>>>>> education. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then I will teach. >>>>>>>> I don't know yet. Part of me still wants to teach but I realized >>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>> soul searching I'm doubtful I can control a classroom and manage >>>>>>>> conducting a whole class. I don't know if I have the personality >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway, we have come a long way but there are people out there who >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> believe only certain jobs are possible for a blind person. Its up >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>> to stand up and try new careers going with our desires and what we >>>>>>>> studied >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for rather than some mold of what we should do to please a rehab >>>>>>>> counselor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature database 4063 (20090508) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnaylor073%40gmail.com > -- Christina From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Mon May 11 18:31:51 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:31:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Grad school Message-ID: <639225.84091.qm@web65704.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Liz, I will start with your question regarding contacting the schools. If you have questions about the school, the program, or the application process, by all means contact the school. In fact, by talking to your admisions dept., and the head of the Masters program, you can get a pretty good idea as to what they are looking for in an applicant; some schools place more emphasis on GRE scores, some place more emphasis on undergrad grades, some even place an emphasis on non-academic characterisitics such as work/vollenter experience, and believe it or not, sometimes where you are from plays a role. I will elaborate on the last one. In graduate school, unlike undergrad school, you learn as much, if not more from your classmates as you do from the teacher and textbook. Good graduate programs realize this, and they try to create diversity amongst there graduate class. In the view of the graduate program director, he is not simply accepting a student, he is building a class. Moving onto how/when to take GRE. Most university system's Board of Regents require that grad students take the GRE; for all intents and purposes, the will of the Board of Regents is equvilant to law. That said, many schools willnot even look at your application until it is complete; that means GRE scores, transcripts, letters of recomendations, and everything else required by the university must be turned in before you are considered. Other schools have what is called a provisional acceptance; that means you have been accepted even though you haven't met the minimum requirements for grad scvhool, or if your application packet is incomplete. Under a provisional admission, you are adminted provided you maintain appropreate grades and eventually provide all the required application materials. Whether the school allows provisional admissions largely depends on the school; some prestigious schools recive so many applicants that they have the luxury to maintain a 20% (or less) acceptance rate while refusing to consider incomplete applications. For other schools that are in much more dire situations cannot afford to be picky. at these schools, you will be admited if you have a pulse and a checkbook. As far as GRE accomidations, you must call the ETS accomidations department first. Remember, you MUST NOT sign up in the normal fashion if you need an accomidated test. The following web link is for the ETS' "resources for test takers with disabilities" http://www.ets.org/portal/site/ets/menuitem.435c0b5cc7bd0ae7015d9510c3921509/?vgnextoid=feb7be3a864f4010VgnVCM10000022f95190RCRD I did not use any accessable media for my breif preparation for the GRE so I dont know where you would go for accesable prep materials. Kaplan is a large publisher of GRE prep materials, you may try calling them. I hope this begins to answer your questions. Let me know if I can be of further assistance Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" Arielle and all, I have a lot of questions, but I'll start with a few: I have two schools that I'm looking at. I haven't yet taken the GRE, and I'm wondering whether or not to take it first before contacting the schools, or would it be better to contact the schools informing them of my interest and say that I haven't yet taken the GRE, but am making the necessary preparations to do so? Also, do I contact ETS first with accommodations, or do I go through the local testing center here that offers the test? I'm also trying to figure out how to obtain accessible practice materials. I think those are the basic things at the moment that I can think of off the top of my head. Take care, Liz From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Mon May 11 20:38:34 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? Message-ID: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello all, I am just thinking about blind training, and I am just not sure to what extent it is practical for me right now. A friend has told me that blind training has made her function better as a visually impaired person, but I am just not sure to what extent it is justifiable to ask VR to send me to a training center (to learn braile for example), when I currently don't need braile, and there is no guarantee that I ever will need braile. Also, it seems like a lot of time and effort on my part to learn what are currently non-essential skills. On the other hand, I am going to begin working with my VR offices OM specialist because I realize that the cane is essential for me to travel at night.  Thoughts? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon May 11 22:03:47 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:03:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> Hi Jim, This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be attacked. If your vision is stable and you can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn skills you'll likely never need. Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do well; they are successful at work. NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state do you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what you need rather than a nfb center first. So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. Ashley From liamskitten at gmail.com Mon May 11 22:07:59 2009 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Linda Stover) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:07:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7949e5e20905111507p641e0e71y2c8ab87c5488a1a3@mail.gmail.com> Jim, The main benifit for going to a training center, as I see it, is complete immersion. Yes, you can begin working with an O and M specialist. However, your training will be in short sessions two or three times a week. At the training center, you not only receive mobility every day, but are forced to put the skills you learn to use traveling constantly around a strange city. The other thing to consider about a training center is this. Right now, you do not see many of the skills the training centers impart as essential. However, at some time during the future, they very well might be. Would it not, therefore, be to your advantage to learn these skills before they become essential. Let me attempt to clarify what my point is here. I recently came in to contact with a person, who I'll call, for future references of this post M. M. had recently begun losing vision, and was being taught an intensive immersion course in Braille by the vision specialist at there school. They were learning the skills they would need to survive. However, it was incredibly grueling because there was no break. In order to firmly imprint the skills firmly on this person's brain at their current age, they could use print for none of their assignments/other activities while they were on the premisis where they were being taught. If, on the other hand, this person had begun to be taught Braille while they still maintained partial vision, it might have been possible to jugstapose their Braille lessons with print reading in other activities. They would have been taking prevenative steps by learning Braille which would have significantly aided them later. To me, someone with partial vision is doing the same and making proper percautions about their future by attending a training center. This is all, naturally, merely my oppinion, but I hope it can lend you some insight in to what you're grappling with. Courtney On 5/11/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Hello all, > I am just thinking about blind training, and I am just not sure to what > extent it is practical for me right now. A friend has told me that blind > training has made her function better as a visually impaired person, but I > am just not sure to what extent it is justifiable to ask VR to send me to a > training center (to learn braile for example), when I currently don't need > braile, and there is no guarantee that I ever will need braile. Also, it > seems like a lot of time and effort on my part to learn what are currently > non-essential skills. On the other hand, I am going to begin working with my > VR offices OM specialist because I realize that the cane is essential for me > to travel at night. > > Thoughts? > Jim > > Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:18:15 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:18:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> Message-ID: <62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> Ashley and Jim. I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said to them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a harder time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was in a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use the blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one of the assistive technology trainers at the center. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > Hi Jim, > > This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be > attacked. If your vision is stable and you > can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do > training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn > skills you'll likely never need. > > Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do well; > they are successful at work. > > NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does > your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to > use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state do > you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what > you need rather than a nfb center first. > So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness > training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high > partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not > only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment > and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision > although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always > used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:34:18 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:34:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> <62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> Message-ID: I'm glad that they are finily adopting the nfb way of training. I have benifited greatly from that. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jess Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? Ashley and Jim. I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said to them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a harder time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was in a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use the blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one of the assistive technology trainers at the center. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > Hi Jim, > > This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be > attacked. If your vision is stable and you can function well with > print and other visual skills, then don't do training now. Yes its a > lot of time and effort on your part to learn skills you'll likely > never need. > > Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do > well; they are successful at work. > > NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. > Does your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow > you to use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. > What state do you live in? You may consider a state center where you > can choose what you need rather than a nfb center first. > So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for > blindness training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a > cane. Many high partials like yourself never try it. Learning and > using a cane will not only help you travel better but it will identify > your visual impairment and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I > have usable vision although not as much as you. We both have tunnel > vision. So I've always used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask. > reagan%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 11 23:34:18 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:34:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53790E1D562A41229937E2C8A8DBD835@sarahd0fffdcf6> I'd loearn everything the training centers offer you as you never know what you might end up using as a traid. You might not need braille but you might encounter someone who needs to learn it or you might need to read something and you don't feel like using your eyes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 1:39 PM To: NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? Hello all, I am just thinking about blind training, and I am just not sure to what extent it is practical for me right now. A friend has told me that blind training has made her function better as a visually impaired person, but I am just not sure to what extent it is justifiable to ask VR to send me to a training center (to learn braile for example), when I currently don't need braile, and there is no guarantee that I ever will need braile. Also, it seems like a lot of time and effort on my part to learn what are currently non-essential skills. On the other hand, I am going to begin working with my VR offices OM specialist because I realize that the cane is essential for me to travel at night.  Thoughts? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed May 13 01:49:00 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:49:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley><62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> Message-ID: <000501c9d36c$fe732ee0$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I agree with you! Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > I'm glad that they are finily adopting the nfb way of training. I have > benifited greatly from that. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Jess > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > Ashley and Jim. > I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I > have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did > have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It > was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to > make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I > also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need > it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said > to > them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a > harder > time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was > in > a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use > the > blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the > training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one of > the assistive technology trainers at the center. > Jessica > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > >> Hi Jim, >> >> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >> attacked. If your vision is stable and you can function well with >> print and other visual skills, then don't do training now. Yes its a >> lot of time and effort on your part to learn skills you'll likely >> never need. >> >> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >> well; they are successful at work. >> >> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. >> Does your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow >> you to use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. >> What state do you live in? You may consider a state center where you >> can choose what you need rather than a nfb center first. >> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for >> blindness training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a >> cane. Many high partials like yourself never try it. Learning and >> using a cane will not only help you travel better but it will identify >> your visual impairment and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I >> have usable vision although not as much as you. We both have tunnel >> vision. So I've always used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask. >> reagan%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue May 12 22:04:23 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:04:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> <62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> Message-ID: <20090512220423.GF97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jess, It's unfortunate that you didn't have O&M under sleepshade. You really learn to pay attention doing it that way, especially if you have someone pointing out the things blocks away that you should be hearing. You have more trouble at night? Why's that, headlights? Joseph On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:18:15PM -0400, Jess wrote: >Ashley and Jim. >I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I >have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did >have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It >was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to >make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I >also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need >it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said to >them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a harder >time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was in >a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use the >blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the >training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one of >the assistive technology trainers at the center. >Jessica >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ashley Bramlett" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > >> Hi Jim, >> >> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >> skills you'll likely never need. >> >> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do well; >> they are successful at work. >> >> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does >> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state do >> you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what >> you need rather than a nfb center first. >> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high >> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always >> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 22:25:43 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:25:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Social Security and Medicare finances worsen Message-ID: <551929.92477.qm@web65710.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Social Security and Medicare finances worsen Social Security and Medicare both facing depletion of trust funds sooner because of recession Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics WriterOn Tuesday May 12, 2009, 6:07 pm EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- Social Security and Medicare are fading even faster under the weight of the recession, heading for insolvency years sooner than previously expected, the government warned Tuesday. Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, a year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner, trustees reported. Medicare is in even worse shape. The trustees said the program for hospital expenses will pay out more in benefits than it collects this year, just as it did for the first time in 2008. The trustees project that the Medicare fund will be depleted by 2017, two years earlier than the date projected in last year's report. The trust funds -- which exist in paper form in a filing cabinet in Parkersburg, W.Va. -- are bonds that are backed by the government's "full faith and credit" but not by any actual assets. That money has been spent over the years to fund other parts of government. To redeem the trust fund bonds, the government would have to borrow in public debt markets or raise taxes. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, the head of the trustees group, said the new reports were a reminder that "the longer we wait to address the long-term solvency of Medicare and Social Security, the sooner those challenges will be upon us and the harder the options will be." Geithner said that President Barack Obama was committed to working with Congress to find ways to control runaway growth in both public and private health care expenditures, noting the promise Monday by major health care providers to trim costs by $2 trillion over the next decade. However, Republicans pointed to the newly dire assessments as evidence the Obama administration has failed to come forward with actual entitlement reform to close the funding gaps. "Instead of getting existing public programs in order right now, some are saying we should create a new government-run health insurance plan," Sen. Chuck Grassley, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a reference to the administration's health care proposals. "When we can't afford the public health plan we have already, does it make sense to add more?" House Republican leader John Boehner said the trustees report "confirms what we already knew: Our nation cannot afford to continue this reckless borrowing and spending spree."The findings in the trustees report, the annual checkup given the two benefit programs, did not come as a surprise. Private economists had been predicting that the dates the programs would begin to pay out more than they take in and the dates the trust funds would be insolvent would occur sooner given the economic recession.The deep recession, the worst the country has endured in decades, has resulted in a loss of 5.7 million jobs since it began in December 2007. The unemployment rate hit a 25-year high of 8.9 percent in April. Fewer people working means less being paid into the trust funds for Social Security and Medicare. The Congressional Budget Office recently projected that Social Security will collect just $3 billion more in 2010 than it will pay out in benefits. A year ago, the CBO had projected that Social Security would have a much higher $86 billion cash surplus for the 2010 budget year, which begins Oct. 1. The trustees report projected that Social Security's annual surpluses would "fall sharply this year," then remain at a reduced level in 2010 and be lower in the following years than last year's projections. The report said that the Social Security annual surplus would be eliminated entirely in 2016, reflecting increased demands from the wave of 78 million baby boomers retiring. That means Social Security will have to turn to its trust fund to make up the difference between Social Security taxes and the benefits being paid out beginning in 2016. The trustees projected the trust fund would be depleted in 2037, four years earlier than the 2041 date in last year's report. At that point, the annual Social Security taxes collected would be enough to pay for three-fourths of current benefits through 2083. To tap the trust fund, the government would have to increase borrowing or raise taxes because Social Security bonds exist only as bookkeeping entries. While the smaller surpluses that will begin this year will not have any impact on Social Security benefit payments, the government will need to borrow more at a time when the federal deficit is already exploding because of the recession and the billions of dollars being spent to prop up a shaky banking system. Medicare's condition is more precarious, reflecting the pressures from soaring health care costs as well as the drop in tax collections. The options available to deal with the Social Security shortfall include raising the payroll tax that funds Social Security, such as removing the cap on income subject to the tax, or cutting benefits in some fashion such as raising the retirement age. The administration is pushing Congress to pass legislation this year to extend health care coverage to some 50 million uninsured Americans, preferring to tackle health care before Social Security. The trustees report is likely to set off renewed debate over Social Security and Medicare. Critics have charged that the Obama administration has failed to tackle the most serious problems in the budget -- soaring entitlement spending. The administration on Monday revised its federal deficit forecasts upward to project an imbalance this year of $1.84 trillion, four times last year's record, and said the deficits will remain above $500 billion every year over the next decade. From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue May 12 22:01:53 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 15:01:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> Message-ID: <20090512220153.GE97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Ashley, No attack from me. Disagreement, sure. The best time to get training is before you enter the workforce. Once you have a job, you are going to have financial responsibilities and training will get in the way. If you get them while you're young, your job prospects are going to be better. I use the skills I learned every day. Oh I don't work in a shop, but I use what I learned about safety in the shop everywhere else. I don't read Braille daily and my speed has dropped down to a paltry 40 words per minute, but I know I can have it back any time I need it. I use the skills I learned for working with screen readers to reduce my dependency on the mouse. I work much faster because of it. I can tell you what the traffic patterns are two blocks away through my open window. I never used to pay attention to the fact that there were traffic patterns until I got to an intersection. (Thank you Eric Woods!) Every day the little things that I now can do things without burying my nose against them, all because of the skills I got in Colorado. Since you're talking about people with lots of stable vision, do you have any idea what such a person looks like doing visual tasks? Record yourself on video sometime and watch it. It's not flattering, and it will cause you to want to not look like that. In a perfect world, I'd agree with you. Get what you need when you need it, and do what works. But it's not a perfect world. We have responsibilities and others' perceptions to deal with. That changes things a bit, to my mind. Joseph On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:03:47PM -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Jim, > > This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be > attacked. If your vision is stable and you > can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do > training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn > skills you'll likely never need. > > Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do > well; they are successful at work. > > NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does > your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to > use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state > do you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose > what you need rather than a nfb center first. > So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness > training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high > partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not > only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment > and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision > although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always > used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue May 12 21:49:15 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 14:49:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090512214915.GD97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jim, In a nutshell, get the training now while you can afford to take the time to do it all at once. There's no substitute. The decision to do this was hard in my case for a variety of reasons. First, I have a lot of vision under most indoor lighting conditions. Rarely do I want to see more light. Outside, my vision is greatly diminished. Most albinos either don't admit or don't even realize that this is true. I'm more sensitive than most. But I got along okay, I told myself. And there really was no need to worry that my vision would ever get worse--it's variable, but quite stable. I don't read Braille, but I don't need to. I read large print just fine. I read serif fonts somewhat slowly (65 words per minute), but the text can be changed to sans serif more easily than it can be reproduced in Braille and then I can read at a more normal reading rate. I never learned Braille. I could cook well enough, mostly making a meal using convenience type dishes that need only a few staples in the kitchen. Far more often, I used things like prepackaged meals. And I said this was what I do because I live alone. I knew that if I were going to get training, I needed to go to an NFB training center. But I was afraid of working under a sleepshade, and I was actually willing to admit it. Eventually, I realized all of the other things I was afraid of, and that I was more afraid of them than I was putting on a sleepshade: - I was afraid to cross larger city streets in daylight because I could not see the walk light. I knew the rules, but I just didn't feel safe. If I was facing sunlight when I did so, my heart was racing as I crossed because I couldn't even see the outlines of cars. - I spoke of cooking convenience foods. They never included things like Hamburger Helper. The reason? Meats must be cooked properly to be safe, and I couldn't tell it was cooked. Scared me to death to even think about it, so I just didn't. I was proud of the fact that this meant I was eating healthier. And then I would go get myself a Big Mac, right? Yeah. - The oven terrified me. - I limited my career options to those that didn't involve large amounts of sustained reading because of the headaches. I was afraid I couldn't keep up and would be a failure. - I was deathly afraid to cross any street where cars didn't have to stop for me. - I was afraid to work with any electric tool save maybe a drill or a screwdriver. I was sure I'd take my hand off with a Dremel or something. I did all of those things at the Colorado Center. But I had to decide to go and do them, despite "not needing" those skills, because you see, I really did need them. Here's the result: - I no longer carry a folding cane. I use a telescopic now and then, but usually I carry a rigid cane and I don't put it away when I walk into a building anymore. - I go where I want, period. I've crossed ten lanes of traffic without a light before, blindfolded. Granted, that one got a "Good job--don't do it again," from Brent Batron and Eric Woods, but I could do it again if I needed to, and they both know it. - I make good stuff in the oven. And my mother's fried tacos, which I've improved upon. Hamburger is the least of my worries in the kitchen. I still make mostly convenience dishes and I do eat a lot of frozen dinners and fast food--but I live alone, and the grocery store is almost a 2.5 mile walk from here. - Tools? I've got plans to build a house! The only tool a person might use in the process I have any misgivings about is the circular saw, and only because I can do the job more quickly and with higher precision using other tools. - I left Colorado reading Braille at 165 words per minute on a cold read. That's a rather seriously atypical result, but I wanted to do it and I worked hard. In the two years since, I've lost most of my speed through lack of practice--but I know I can get it back any time I want it. - I didn't learn to use a screen reader effectively. I learned to use about five or six screen readers by developing a schema in my head to remember their different command structures. I'm not a JAWS expert. Nor a Window Eyes expert. I'm not even a VoiceOver expert. But I can use them all. I still use UA Magnifier on the Mac, and I can use ZoomText or MAGic on Windows. Nobody had to teach me how to use the enlarging software though, since I could easily explore that on my own using residual vision. - I am more confident, overall, in myself and my abilities. That confidence is justified, and I can see that for myself. Lots of people with disabilities try to pass for not disabled. I never really did that--I tried to pass as confident and able to do all of those things I could not do. I'm no longer passing, I know I can do them because I do them regularly. This is what it means to be blind when you have the skills and the confidence you get from a good training center. I don't know what training centers you'd consider, but I can tell you that our NFB centers are the standard by which others are judged for good reason. Joseph On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 01:38:34PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >Hello all, >I am just thinking about blind training, and I am just not sure to what extent it is practical for me right now. A friend has told me that blind training has made her function better as a visually impaired person, but I am just not sure to what extent it is justifiable to ask VR to send me to a training center (to learn braile for example), when I currently don't need braile, and there is no guarantee that I ever will need braile. Also, it seems like a lot of time and effort on my part to learn what are currently non-essential skills. On the other hand, I am going to begin working with my VR offices OM specialist because I realize that the cane is essential for me to travel at night.  > >Thoughts? >Jim > >Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 03:03:57 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach Message-ID: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I'm wondering what, if any stratagies people have tried to use in reaching out to blind high school students. Also, I was wondering if the NABS has ever considered starting a program where blind college students can show blind high schoolers around campus. In other words, if a blind high school student wanted to take a trip to check out a potential college, then a blind college student could show them around (assuming there is a blind student at the school in question). Maybe there would even be a way to get the blind student guides paid through such a program, as the program would ultimatly be helping the college recruiters. Thoughts? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 07:32:35 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] A Student Division idea Message-ID: <59838.52765.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> State Student Division Presidents, What schools in your state have the largest blind populations? Have you considered lending your talents and efforts towards starting blind student organizations at those schools? I just made such an offer to the blind students at The Univeristy of Montana. At all the schools I've been to, I've always paid a "student activities" fee. That fee gets paid to the student government, then divided up amongst all the student organizations on campus. As an organized and official blind student organization, those students could be entitled to receive money from their respecitive student governments. This could allow the NABS to use limited resources more efficiently and effectivly. I believe it would also increase motivation at the local levels. At schools where this idea is feasable, I see no reason to not pursue the idea. As I wade into this process, I'd love some company. Who will start this journey with me? Thoughts? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From dandrews at visi.com Wed May 13 01:08:13 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 20:08:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Audio Production Training in Minnesota Message-ID: Monday, May 11, 2009 For Immediate Distribution Sales contact: Earle Harrison 651-636-5184 earle at handytech.us Dancing Dots Braille Music Technology & Handy Tech North America present. Accessible Audio Production: Track, Mix and Master with SONAR When: Thursday, June 11, and Friday, June 12, 2009 - 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM. Where: Handy Tech North America, 3989 Central Avenue NE., Suite 402, Columbia Heights, MN 55421 Telephone: 651-636-5184 Email: info at handytech.us Web: Handy Tech North America Registration: To register, fill out our Online Registration Form Overview Learn to use the SONAR digital audio workstation software that converts a Windows-based PC into a multi-track, high-end recording studio complete with high-tech audio effects such as reverb, flanging and equalization. SONAR lets you record electronic instrumental sounds onto individual tracks using a MIDI musical keyboard. using a microphone, you can record acoustic sounds such as someone singing or playing a real violin onto audio tracks. SONAR ships with a number of so-called soft synthes. These are digital software instruments that can be triggered by the musical keyboard. CakeTalking for SONAR from Dancing Dots is a JAWS-based access method for SONAR that allows blind audio producers to use SONAR independently using a blend of verbal and sound cues. CakeTalking installs a number of detailed tutorial documents containing hundreds of pages of valuable information written primarily for the user of JAWS for Windows and also features extensive online help. What You Will Learn A trainer from Dancing Dots will teach you to record and edit instrumental and vocal performances on individual tracks using SONAR. You will learn techniques to adjust timing on MIDI and audio tracks, how to apply various effects, insert soft synthes, alter volume and panning settings, and remove unwanted noises such as a cough, etc. Once all tracks are complete, you will learn a technique called mixing for blending all tracks into a cohesive performance. Then you will learn how to mix the tracks down to a stereo, two-track master. You will export results to any of a number of standard audio formats such as mp3, .wav or Windows Media. These files can be burned to a CD, uploaded to a website, E-mailed to customers, etc. The material to be recorded will be of your own choosing but ideally should be a selection which you can use for some "real-world" purpose such as putting it up on a site to share with family and friends or to distribute commercially. Prerequisites: Blind participants should have strong skills in the use of the JAWS for Windows screen reader software. Sighted participants should be prepared to learn the technology without the use of a mouse. That is, they should be able to learn to operate SONAR from the PC keyboard using JAWS just as those they will train will need to learn to do. Musical ability is not required if your goal is to learn enough to be able to train others. Also, some participants may want to create test projects such as voice-overs for commercials or promotional messages using prerecorded music as a sound bed. However, those wishing to create audio productions of musical compositions or arrangements obviously must have some musical talent. That being said, you need not be a professional musician or even an experienced amateur to create an audio project that's all your own. Tuition $550 per person for two days. $400 for each additional participant from the same organization or family. Included: : Use of a PC workstation loaded with SONAR 8, CakeTalking for SONAR 8, JAWS for Windows, high-end audio interface with microphone, electronic musical keyboard, box lunch, coffee/snacks. From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 17:31:23 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? Message-ID: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello all, I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. Am I missing something? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 17:21:06 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:21:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Blind training and its affect on a career Message-ID: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, I was just wondering, if a blind person reaches a stage in life where blind training becomes nesicary, is that person's employer required to hold that person's job open until they return from training (similar to maternity leave or National Guard deployment)? Next semester is my last semester of grad school. If I am going to go to a training center, the gap between grad school and "real life" would be the perfect time to do it. But like I said the other day, I just don't know if my vision is bad enough to justify VR paying for it (unless I can convince them that it will benifit my career in the long run). Thoughts? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 07:03:44 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] ABC News Audio and Video of Space Shuttle Atlantis (with the Louis Braille coin) Message-ID: <815265.34254.qm@web65706.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Congrats to all involved; its a great accomplishment Here is the link: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?cl=13417620 Jim From freespirit328 at gmail.com Tue May 12 17:49:00 2009 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:49:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with an nfblink mentee Message-ID: <18C68BD057F249F6A27EA78E71AF362F@Gateway> Hi all, I just contacted my first mentee from nfblink and helped her the best I could. She lives in Utah, so there really wasn't too much I could do for her because I live in Rhode Island. I did what I could though and told her that I might be able to find someone who lives in Utah or knows some things about what's available to her. If anyone can help me out, please call me at 401-644-5607. Thanks so much, Jennifer Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com Get healthy! http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com Contact me: Jennifer Aberdeen PO Box 1184 Woonsocket, RI 02895 401-762-3258 (home) 401-644-5607 (cell) freespirit328 at gmail.com SKYPE: J.Aberdeen From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Tue May 12 17:20:54 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:20:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [real-eyes] Fw: Workshop For The Self Employed...on line. Message-ID: <20090512132054.zfitoadxy8g0kc84@webmail.utoronto.ca> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "V Nork" Subject: [real-eyes] Fw: Workshop For The Self Employed...on line. Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:36:24 -0700 Size: 6682 URL: From dlawless86 at gmail.com Tue May 12 00:57:07 2009 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 19:57:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] course smart and ichapter Message-ID: <423e6e460905111757m1ab3a270n41cff96df4c9befb@mail.gmail.com> Hello everyone, I am trying to get a head start on getting my textbooks for the summer and fall semesters and was told by my dss office about a service called course smart. You can apparently purchase e-books for school. Unfortunately I have done some research and their service does not look very accessable. Have any of you heard about www.coursesmart.com or know something contrary to what their accessability statement says? Also, I remember a few months back someone mentioned a service called ichapters. I was wondering if you could write to the list and explain to us what that is. Thanks for all of your help! Domonique From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 19:57:25 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Convention employment seminar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <807093.35490.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Arielle, Just wanted to give you an update. I tried twice to get ahold of Mrs, Jerningain, and twice I could not make it past her gate keepers (AKA secretary). I was eventually forwarded to a man named Will who told me that Mrs. Jernigian said it was fine if we record and then post the employment seminar on the web, provided we provide our own equipment. I then contactacted Buna Dahal, the organizor of the the employment seminar, and Ms. Dahal gave her approval for us to record and post the employment seminar (contingent upon the approval of Mrs. Jernigian). Now, I am trying to make sure we don't have any copyright issues, and I am trying to contact the hotel to find out how much it will cost. Once I have those issues worked out, I will begin figuring out how to ask the NFB, or the NABS to fund this project. Thanks, Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: From: Arielle Silverman Subject: Re: Convention employment seminar To: jim275_2 at yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 2:13 PM Hi Jim, I spoke with Buna and she recommended that you call Mrs. Jernigan directly. She can be reached through the National Center main phone number, 410-659-9314 Good luck, Arielle On 4/28/09, Jim Reed wrote: > Arielle, > > Apparantly someone already talked to Buna (I think it was Joe (the web site > guy)), and she gave persmission. But when you talk to her, please ask for > written perrmission. > > Thanks, > Jim > > "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." > > --- On Mon, 4/27/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: > From: Arielle Silverman > Subject: Re: Convention employment seminar > To: jim275_2 at yahoo.com > Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 9:22 PM > > Hi Jim, > > Snce Buna Dahal is running the seminar, I think it would be best to > talk to her before contacting Mrs. Jernigan. I've left Buna a phone > message and haven't heard back, but will let you know when I do. > > Arielle > > On 4/25/09, Jim Reed wrote: >> Arielle, >> Would you mind talking to Mrs. Jernigan about this? >> Jim >> >> "Ignorance killed the cat; curiosity was framed." >> >> >> > > > > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue May 12 01:27:08 2009 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 21:27:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley> <62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> Message-ID: <76E61FB6447D47D98C428C74BE8EECF4@Ashley> Hi Jess, Most state centers don't require sleepshades. For instance the rehab center in Richmond VA does not. But nfb centers do. How long did you stay at the center? Were you able to pick the classes you wanted? What classes did you have? At our state run center in VA they evaluate you and make recommendations on what you need. You and the staff pick what classes you need. They teach low vision and nonvisual skills. In computer class you can use screen magnification or screen readers or both. Some might learn how to use a CCTV and braille. It really depends on the person's needs and abilities and how much you want to learn. Also most individuals there have multiple challenges so they don't have a set program for every client. NFB centers have a set pack of classes and its all nonvisual. My thinking is that since Jim has so much usable vision he does not need all the skills of blindness. A state run center may better suit his needs since you can choose what you want out of it. Jim, if you have a state run center, go look at it and see its offerings and the staff attitude. Some state centers are better than others. Actually the center in Richmond is run by a federationist and has been so for about a year. Students are highly encouraged to use ridgid nfb canes. But sleepshades are still optional. Our center is pretty decent in my opinion. There is a pool on center grounds next to the lounge. Nothing is forced on students after class. But they are encouraged to participate in recreational activities on site or in the community. So they are exposed to many normal, fun activities after class to show one can have a full and happy life being blind. Ashley From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Tue May 12 01:41:04 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for a convention roommate Message-ID: <152349.57754.qm@web65711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey all, I am loking for a national convention roommate. If you need a roommate let me know. Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Tue May 12 15:39:46 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 08:39:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Resources for blind students in El Salvador? Message-ID: <632092010905120839l5754a337k2db71c7b58b0aa26@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone knew of any resources for the blind in El Salvador. I'm going to start trying to help a child in El Salvador, she is five years old, and is being raised by her grandmother who doesn't know how to teach her what she needs to know. She will be starting school soon, but needs to bring all her materials with her. It is believed to be a school for blind children, but that has not been confirmed yet. I asked the local libraries I use to get books on tape if their was such a library in El Salvador, the librarian said he couldn't find anything. Does anyone have any information, or have an idea of where I can find information about what is available for blind children in El Salvador? Aziza From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue May 12 03:12:17 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:12:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? Message-ID: <20090512031217.1054.66741@web2.serotek.com> Colleagues: I am a graduate of the Louisiana center for the Blind, one of the NFB's three training centers. I have partial vision. I have been trained in two methods of blindness. In grade school, I used a duel-media system that attempted to give equal time to vision and non-vision. This training was not intensive; it was done in chunks. After high school, I went to the LCB to learn non-visual skills specifically and intensively. These are my findings. Low vision is hardly stable. Your eye doctor may say that your condition is stable, but it really isn't. At least, not in the functional sense. Not only does low vision change with the environment, but it can change over time simply via the aging process. For that reason, it's never a bad idea to learn non-visual techniques to prepare for the future and also to be ready for times when the environment makes it tough to use your vision efficiently. Environmental changes might include changes in lighting, the difusion of lighting, contrast, visual clutter, chromatic difference (the use of color), and the position of objects (are they in your field of view?). The social environment may also inhibit the use of your vision. for example, you may be able to read large print, but having a book in front of your nose makes giving a speech a real problem. You may be use a CCTV, but you can't take a CCTV everywhere with you unless you use a portable magnifier (which is often more expensive than braile or asking someone to read something to you). Even then, portible magnification has its limits: the more magnification you need, the less you can see in terms of actual area. The same goes for monoculars and other low vision techniques. Non-visual techniques are more likely to work in a variety of areas at any given time. You can read Braille in just about any environment (except where it's wet). A cane and orientation skills will take care of any changes to the visual environment as you travel. Tactile exploration skills can help you navigate gracefully when searching for something. While all of these techniques are unusual compared to how sighted people do things, they allow a visually impaired person to stay on top of things. Let me move on to blindness agencies and training. Most blindness agencies prefer a vision first approach. The goal here is to maximize low vision and insert blindness techniques where necessary. There are two major issues here, and I've experienced both under this approach. The first is that your vision may change and you'll be forced to retrain. You may also find that your non-visual skills may not be prepared to the extent to which a situation may compromise your vision. In other words, you may know how to use a screen magnifier with some speech. But what if you encounter a web site where the visual elements are too hard to handle visually? A screen reader may be useful here, but you've not been trained in screen reader use since your training has focused primarily on your vision. For most of us, simply not completing the task won't cut it. The opposite approach is a blindness first approach. Here, non-visual techniques are stressed and low vision fills in the gaps where it's either natural or necessary. When I say natural, I mean to say that you don't have to strain to see something. For example, I may be walking with a cane and all my blindness techniques in active use. But if I can see a poll, I'm certainly going to avoid it. However, if I don't see the poll, my active blindness techniques will certainly keep me from hitting it. another example. If I've dropped a paper and can see it, there's no rule that says I can't use my vision to pick it up. However, if I have to turn my head in a number of contortions just to search for it, it may be easier, less stressful, and more efficient to search for it using non-visual skills. When I say "necessary," I speak of those occasions where something isn't nonvisually accessible but can be if your vision is sufficient for the task. for example, if your computer isn't talking and you have no other way to figure out why, low vision may be useful in getting some answers. A blindness first approach prevents the need for retraining. In the case of those who ordinarily read print, there's no reason why you can't still do so. Learning Braille is still an option when print won't work for some reason. If you're worried about losing the skill, set aside some time each night and read your favorite book in Braille to maintain the skill. That way, it will be around when you really need it. those low vision persons who use Braille and print often say they're glad to have learned Braille even if they don't use it as often as others do. I have been trained under both vision first and blindness first approaches. I personally got more out of the blindness first approach than the vision first approach. I consider myself to be more versitle now that i have the blindness approach down. The blindness first approach also teaches other transferable skils that have nothing to do with blindness specifically such as problem solving, resourcefulness, mapping and spacial awareness, cooking, technology, and even social skills. More important, I realized that blindness really isn't a handicap to living life. A vision first approach often misses this all important truth because of the higherarchy of sight (to have some sight is better than to have none). With a blindness first approach, we're confronted immediately with our misconceptions, as well as those of others. We are called upon to deal with them head on and are therefore able to surpass them. As for training length and intensity, it is better to train all at once because more concentrated time is spent in each subject. This concentration and intensity of time means that you're more likely to remember what you learn because you have to use it more often. I train students to use computers. Those I intensively train get the material faster and more efficiently than those I train less often. They are also more likely to use and retain the skill afterward. My non-intensive vision first approach took me twelve years. My intensive blindness first approach training only took six months. I only had to go through intensive training once (that's six months). Those who go through chunked training may have to spread their training out over time which will definitely mean more training time in the long-run. In general, intensive training in blindness means access to positive blind role models who can mentor you during off hours while you're having fun. Many times, these experiences prove more powerful than the training itself. those who go through non-intensive training (often in their community) don't have access to blind role models and so they remain isolated during this critical time. Finally, I want to put something to rest. The blindness first approach doesn't force anyone to do anything. If you attend a center that uses sleep shades, a particular kind of cane, a particular teaching method, or a particular philosophy, then you have chosen to use these methods. You can't force the willing. The NfB centers are optional. People are there because they want to be, not because they are forced to be. If you feel like you're being forced, then you haven't exercised informed choice. Choose a different center that has the methods you want. Just choose wisely. I find it rather ironic and quite revealing that we never hear of centers forcing participants to use low vision, but we certainly hear of centers forcing students to use blindness techniques. Just a thought. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Ashley and Jim. > I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I > have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did > have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It > was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to > make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I > also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need > it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said to > them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a harder > time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was in > a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use the > blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the > training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one of > the assistive technology trainers at the center. > Jessica > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? >> Hi Jim, >> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >> skills you'll likely never need. >> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do well; >> they are successful at work. >> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does >> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state do >> you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what >> you need rather than a nfb center first. >> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high >> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always >> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Tue May 12 03:39:38 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 23:39:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise References: Message-ID: <229F66A906164DA39F61D87AE75DD084@YOUR314E04A90B> If you are still interested in going over seas while your still young, you might consider teach for America. It is not studying, but you will still learn allot. You do not have to have a teaching certificate to be involved with this program. Don't confuse it with teach America which is different. ----- Original Message ----- From: "priscilla" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study abroad advise > hello, > I really appreciate your advice for the future if I ever decide to go > abroad with a group. > Unfortunately the trip to Europe has been canceled due to the effects of > the economic crisis. > the economic crisis has taken a toll on the school because most of the > study abroad trips are being canceled due to lack of funds. > I was very upset at first when I realized that the trip was canceled > because that was my last chance to study abroad since I will graduate next > year. > when I spoke to mom and gave her the news about the cancelation she was > upset too because she had the money already and had plans, but it never > happened. > this is the second time this happens at the school, why does it have to be > this way. > mom also said "you will get another opportunity to study abroad in the > future or when you settle in with a good job," but I don't think so > because it is not the same as doing it while in college and still young. > this is why I want to start now because then I will outgrow the youth > pretty soon and then its no more fun because what if I ever get married > and have nice kids. > so, I really want to do things now since I am still in the prime years of > youth, meaning in college or grad school because you learn more easily. > Actually certain areas of your brain don't stop developing until age 25, > so that's why I need to take advantage of as much learning experiences so > that when I become older, it wouldn't be as difficult to retain things > at least in my personal opinion. > once you get to a certain age, its hard to keep everything in your head > unless I am wrong. > > anyway, I am sad by this unfortunate turn because that's the only > opportunity I have in college once in a lifetime. > "you can't fight against the current, even if you would like to." > > thank you all very much. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed May 13 02:37:16 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:37:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Trekker with Maestro Option for sale Message-ID: > >We have been asked by the family of a recently deceased person to >sell a Trekker GPS unit with Maestro option. The Trekker software >is 2.5, and the Maestro version is 2.0. The unit is about 2 years >old, and was seldom used. >It comes with 2 SD cards, the charger, the cradle, the companion >software and user guides on CD, and all of the United States maps. >Trekker is an easy to use talking GPS that can be used in pedestrian >or motor vehicle modes. >Maestro is a fully functional talking PDA and can synchronize >contacts, appointments, and more with Microsoft Outlook. Take >notes, record messages, listen to media, etc. >Please contact 888-723-5011, ext. 3 for more information. >Regards, >Robert Leblond From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed May 13 03:53:42 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:53:42 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <20090512031217.1054.66741@web2.serotek.com> References: <20090512031217.1054.66741@web2.serotek.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim and all, Your question is a good one and one that all of us have grappled with at some point, regardless of our vision status or level of prior training. There is no hard-line NFB answer to this question, and the decision of how much and what kind of formal blindness training to get is a highly individual one. I also attended the Louisiana Center for the Blind (LCB) after graduating from college. In hindsight I can say that I still would have been a functional blind adult, and still would have done most of the things I do now, without going to the center. But, the center added a good deal of refinement to my existing skills and, most of all, enabled me to grapple with challenging blindness-related situations with less frustration and negativity than I did before. While it didn’t necessarily “save” me or change who I am as a person, it definitely made blindness easier and less of a nuisance for me, even though I have been blind for all my life. I will say that one thing you get from a residential training center, which you won’t get from day instruction, is continuous practice and, as others have said, immersion. I think this is important when you’re learning new nonvisual skills (such as Braille and cane skills) that require you to pay more attention to your other senses than you may be accustomed to. For example, I think the biggest single gain I got out of LCB was continuous practice with using my hearing to recognize traffic patterns and changes and to detect echoes and other key environmental sounds. I had had cane training for many years prior to LCB, but never so much at once, so doing intensive training all at once gave me enough reinforcement to really sensitize me to those sounds. Also, even though I only have a tiny bit of residual vision, training under blindfold really forced me to pay much more attention to what I was hearing. It is a lot easier to teach yourself to use your vision along with these nonvisual things than to learn the nonvisual stuff while also being distracted by your vision. The problem with doing cane training only a couple times a week is that the practice isn’t continuous, so it takes longer to build up sensitivity to all those subtle tactile and auditory signals that we use to be effective cane travelers. Though I learned Braille as a child, I would imagine that developing fluency in Braille would require the same continuous, day-in-and-day-out practice as what I am describing with cane travel. I think one of the tricks of the residential centers is that they take us out of work and other obligations and force us to practice these skills constantly without our being distracted by other things going on in our lives. For example, if you have to go to work or school every day and be on time, it’s all too easy to just use your vision for the sake of efficiency rather than practicing new cane skills which, at first, will be a lot less efficient. Of course, giving up this time for intensive training requires you to put plans on hold for a while, which is the trade-off. The advantage, though, is that with immersion training in blindness skills you only have to do it once, regardless of whether your vision or life circumstances change. Arielle On 5/12/09, Jedi wrote: > Colleagues: > > I am a graduate of the Louisiana center for the Blind, one of the NFB's > three training centers. I have partial vision. I have been trained in > two methods of blindness. In grade school, I used a duel-media system > that attempted to give equal time to vision and non-vision. This > training was not intensive; it was done in chunks. After high school, I > went to the LCB to learn non-visual skills specifically and > intensively. These are my findings. > > Low vision is hardly stable. Your eye doctor may say that your > condition is stable, but it really isn't. At least, not in the > functional sense. Not only does low vision change with the environment, > but it can change over time simply via the aging process. For that > reason, it's never a bad idea to learn non-visual techniques to prepare > for the future and also to be ready for times when the environment > makes it tough to use your vision efficiently. Environmental changes > might include changes in lighting, the difusion of lighting, contrast, > visual clutter, chromatic difference (the use of color), and the > position of objects (are they in your field of view?). The social > environment may also inhibit the use of your vision. for example, you > may be able to read large print, but having a book in front of your > nose makes giving a speech a real problem. You may be use a CCTV, but > you can't take a CCTV everywhere with you unless you use a portable > magnifier (which is often more expensive than braile or asking someone > to read something to you). Even then, portible magnification has its > limits: the more magnification you need, the less you can see in terms > of actual area. The same goes for monoculars and other low vision > techniques. > > Non-visual techniques are more likely to work in a variety of areas at > any given time. You can read Braille in just about any environment > (except where it's wet). A cane and orientation skills will take care > of any changes to the visual environment as you travel. Tactile > exploration skills can help you navigate gracefully when searching for > something. While all of these techniques are unusual compared to how > sighted people do things, they allow a visually impaired person to stay > on top of things. > > Let me move on to blindness agencies and training. Most blindness > agencies prefer a vision first approach. The goal here is to maximize > low vision and insert blindness techniques where necessary. There are > two major issues here, and I've experienced both under this approach. > The first is that your vision may change and you'll be forced to > retrain. You may also find that your non-visual skills may not be > prepared to the extent to which a situation may compromise your vision. > In other words, you may know how to use a screen magnifier with some > speech. But what if you encounter a web site where the visual elements > are too hard to handle visually? A screen reader may be useful here, > but you've not been trained in screen reader use since your training > has focused primarily on your vision. For most of us, simply not > completing the task won't cut it. > > The opposite approach is a blindness first approach. Here, non-visual > techniques are stressed and low vision fills in the gaps where it's > either natural or necessary. When I say natural, I mean to say that you > don't have to strain to see something. For example, I may be walking > with a cane and all my blindness techniques in active use. But if I can > see a poll, I'm certainly going to avoid it. However, if I don't see > the poll, my active blindness techniques will certainly keep me from > hitting it. another example. If I've dropped a paper and can see it, > there's no rule that says I can't use my vision to pick it up. However, > if I have to turn my head in a number of contortions just to search for > it, it may be easier, less stressful, and more efficient to search for > it using non-visual skills. When I say "necessary," I speak of those > occasions where something isn't nonvisually accessible but can be if > your vision is sufficient for the task. for example, if your computer > isn't talking and you have no other way to figure out why, low vision > may be useful in getting some answers. > > A blindness first approach prevents the need for retraining. In the > case of those who ordinarily read print, there's no reason why you > can't still do so. Learning Braille is still an option when print won't > work for some reason. If you're worried about losing the skill, set > aside some time each night and read your favorite book in Braille to > maintain the skill. That way, it will be around when you really need > it. those low vision persons who use Braille and print often say > they're glad to have learned Braille even if they don't use it as often > as others do. > > I have been trained under both vision first and blindness first > approaches. I personally got more out of the blindness first approach > than the vision first approach. I consider myself to be more versitle > now that i have the blindness approach down. The blindness first > approach also teaches other transferable skils that have nothing to do > with blindness specifically such as problem solving, resourcefulness, > mapping and spacial awareness, cooking, technology, and even social > skills. More important, I realized that blindness really isn't a > handicap to living life. A vision first approach often misses this all > important truth because of the higherarchy of sight (to have some sight > is better than to have none). With a blindness first approach, we're > confronted immediately with our misconceptions, as well as those of > others. We are called upon to deal with them head on and are therefore > able to surpass them. > > As for training length and intensity, it is better to train all at once > because more concentrated time is spent in each subject. This > concentration and intensity of time means that you're more likely to > remember what you learn because you have to use it more often. I train > students to use computers. Those I intensively train get the material > faster and more efficiently than those I train less often. They are > also more likely to use and retain the skill afterward. My > non-intensive vision first approach took me twelve years. My intensive > blindness first approach training only took six months. I only had to > go through intensive training once (that's six months). Those who go > through chunked training may have to spread their training out over > time which will definitely mean more training time in the long-run. > > In general, intensive training in blindness means access to positive > blind role models who can mentor you during off hours while you're > having fun. Many times, these experiences prove more powerful than the > training itself. those who go through non-intensive training (often in > their community) don't have access to blind role models and so they > remain isolated during this critical time. > > Finally, I want to put something to rest. The blindness first approach > doesn't force anyone to do anything. If you attend a center that uses > sleep shades, a particular kind of cane, a particular teaching method, > or a particular philosophy, then you have chosen to use these methods. > You can't force the willing. The NfB centers are optional. People are > there because they want to be, not because they are forced to be. If > you feel like you're being forced, then you haven't exercised informed > choice. Choose a different center that has the methods you want. Just > choose wisely. I find it rather ironic and quite revealing that we > never hear of centers forcing participants to use low vision, but we > certainly hear of centers forcing students to use blindness techniques. > Just a thought. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Ashley and Jim. >> I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I >> have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did >> have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It >> was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to >> make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I >> also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need >> it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said >> to >> them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a >> harder >> time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was >> in >> a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use >> the >> blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the >> training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one of >> the assistive technology trainers at the center. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > >>> Hi Jim, > >>> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >>> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >>> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >>> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >>> skills you'll likely never need. > >>> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >>> well; >>> they are successful at work. > >>> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does >>> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >>> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state >>> do >>> you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what >>> you need rather than a nfb center first. >>> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >>> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high >>> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >>> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >>> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >>> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always >>> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > >>> Ashley > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kconstan at student.umass.edu Wed May 13 04:00:31 2009 From: kconstan at student.umass.edu (Kristina Constant) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 00:00:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire to do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other science or math careers. Kristina Constant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: "NABS mail list" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? > Hello all, > I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic > gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to the > organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection between > Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. > > Am I missing something? > Jim > > Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu > From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Wed May 13 04:10:42 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 21:10:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Rainia, Please contact me off list Message-ID: <391894.41153.qm@web65704.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Rainia, I attended my first local chapter meeting, and there was another young man who was attending his first chapter meeting. Anyhow, this guy just got back from California where he just completed massage school (and I belive he was working). I did not ask him any specifics about his job or education. But I did ask him if he would mind chatting with you. He said that would be fine. If you are interested in talking to another massage person who just completed the same type of schooling you are going through, let me know and I will put you guys in touch. Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From thisischris89 at gmail.com Wed May 13 10:26:39 2009 From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christopher Kchao) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:26:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind training and its affect on a career In-Reply-To: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim, I think the bigger issue at hand is whether YOU yourself think that your vision is "good enough" or "bad enough." That should be the main determining factor. Once you make that decision for yourself, you can figure out the paperwork later. For many people who may even have partial vision, that decision is simple and a matter of doing what makes the most sense. You ultimately have to decide if using your residual vision is making your life more complicated than it has to be or not. For example, it's one thing to require a little bit of magnification for reading print on a computer screen and another to have magnification set to 16 or 20x while the person still struggles to read and gets frequent headaches from doing so. I personally am totally blind but in my opinion, it's a matter of competence. I'd rather be a competent blind person using nonvisual techniques as opposed to an incompetent sighted person struggling with what little bit of vision they have just so they don't have to "be blind." -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Reed Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: MAB List; NABS mail list Subject: [nabs-l] Blind training and its affect on a career Hello, I was just wondering, if a blind person reaches a stage in life where blind training becomes nesicary, is that person's employer required to hold that person's job open until they return from training (similar to maternity leave or National Guard deployment)? Next semester is my last semester of grad school. If I am going to go to a training center, the gap between grad school and "real life" would be the perfect time to do it. But like I said the other day, I just don't know if my vision is bad enough to justify VR paying for it (unless I can convince them that it will benifit my career in the long run). Thoughts? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai l.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed May 13 10:33:20 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:33:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? References: <20090512031217.1054.66741@web2.serotek.com> Message-ID: <003b01c9d3b6$3cf11170$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I have to agree with you. That is why I chose to go to BISM instead of going to both training centers here in nj like my counselor wanted me too. I am glad I went to BISM because i feel I learned so much more because we were forced to do things daily such as cooking your own meals. I wouldn't have gotten that or at least not a lot of practice and or the confedence if I didn't have to do it every day. Rania, Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? Hi Jim and all, Your question is a good one and one that all of us have grappled with at some point, regardless of our vision status or level of prior training. There is no hard-line NFB answer to this question, and the decision of how much and what kind of formal blindness training to get is a highly individual one. I also attended the Louisiana Center for the Blind (LCB) after graduating from college. In hindsight I can say that I still would have been a functional blind adult, and still would have done most of the things I do now, without going to the center. But, the center added a good deal of refinement to my existing skills and, most of all, enabled me to grapple with challenging blindness-related situations with less frustration and negativity than I did before. While it didn’t necessarily “save” me or change who I am as a person, it definitely made blindness easier and less of a nuisance for me, even though I have been blind for all my life. I will say that one thing you get from a residential training center, which you won’t get from day instruction, is continuous practice and, as others have said, immersion. I think this is important when you’re learning new nonvisual skills (such as Braille and cane skills) that require you to pay more attention to your other senses than you may be accustomed to. For example, I think the biggest single gain I got out of LCB was continuous practice with using my hearing to recognize traffic patterns and changes and to detect echoes and other key environmental sounds. I had had cane training for many years prior to LCB, but never so much at once, so doing intensive training all at once gave me enough reinforcement to really sensitize me to those sounds. Also, even though I only have a tiny bit of residual vision, training under blindfold really forced me to pay much more attention to what I was hearing. It is a lot easier to teach yourself to use your vision along with these nonvisual things than to learn the nonvisual stuff while also being distracted by your vision. The problem with doing cane training only a couple times a week is that the practice isn’t continuous, so it takes longer to build up sensitivity to all those subtle tactile and auditory signals that we use to be effective cane travelers. Though I learned Braille as a child, I would imagine that developing fluency in Braille would require the same continuous, day-in-and-day-out practice as what I am describing with cane travel. I think one of the tricks of the residential centers is that they take us out of work and other obligations and force us to practice these skills constantly without our being distracted by other things going on in our lives. For example, if you have to go to work or school every day and be on time, it’s all too easy to just use your vision for the sake of efficiency rather than practicing new cane skills which, at first, will be a lot less efficient. Of course, giving up this time for intensive training requires you to put plans on hold for a while, which is the trade-off. The advantage, though, is that with immersion training in blindness skills you only have to do it once, regardless of whether your vision or life circumstances change. Arielle On 5/12/09, Jedi wrote: > Colleagues: > > I am a graduate of the Louisiana center for the Blind, one of the NFB's > three training centers. I have partial vision. I have been trained in > two methods of blindness. In grade school, I used a duel-media system > that attempted to give equal time to vision and non-vision. This > training was not intensive; it was done in chunks. After high school, I > went to the LCB to learn non-visual skills specifically and > intensively. These are my findings. > > Low vision is hardly stable. Your eye doctor may say that your > condition is stable, but it really isn't. At least, not in the > functional sense. Not only does low vision change with the environment, > but it can change over time simply via the aging process. For that > reason, it's never a bad idea to learn non-visual techniques to prepare > for the future and also to be ready for times when the environment > makes it tough to use your vision efficiently. Environmental changes > might include changes in lighting, the difusion of lighting, contrast, > visual clutter, chromatic difference (the use of color), and the > position of objects (are they in your field of view?). The social > environment may also inhibit the use of your vision. for example, you > may be able to read large print, but having a book in front of your > nose makes giving a speech a real problem. You may be use a CCTV, but > you can't take a CCTV everywhere with you unless you use a portable > magnifier (which is often more expensive than braile or asking someone > to read something to you). Even then, portible magnification has its > limits: the more magnification you need, the less you can see in terms > of actual area. The same goes for monoculars and other low vision > techniques. > > Non-visual techniques are more likely to work in a variety of areas at > any given time. You can read Braille in just about any environment > (except where it's wet). A cane and orientation skills will take care > of any changes to the visual environment as you travel. Tactile > exploration skills can help you navigate gracefully when searching for > something. While all of these techniques are unusual compared to how > sighted people do things, they allow a visually impaired person to stay > on top of things. > > Let me move on to blindness agencies and training. Most blindness > agencies prefer a vision first approach. The goal here is to maximize > low vision and insert blindness techniques where necessary. There are > two major issues here, and I've experienced both under this approach. > The first is that your vision may change and you'll be forced to > retrain. You may also find that your non-visual skills may not be > prepared to the extent to which a situation may compromise your vision. > In other words, you may know how to use a screen magnifier with some > speech. But what if you encounter a web site where the visual elements > are too hard to handle visually? A screen reader may be useful here, > but you've not been trained in screen reader use since your training > has focused primarily on your vision. For most of us, simply not > completing the task won't cut it. > > The opposite approach is a blindness first approach. Here, non-visual > techniques are stressed and low vision fills in the gaps where it's > either natural or necessary. When I say natural, I mean to say that you > don't have to strain to see something. For example, I may be walking > with a cane and all my blindness techniques in active use. But if I can > see a poll, I'm certainly going to avoid it. However, if I don't see > the poll, my active blindness techniques will certainly keep me from > hitting it. another example. If I've dropped a paper and can see it, > there's no rule that says I can't use my vision to pick it up. However, > if I have to turn my head in a number of contortions just to search for > it, it may be easier, less stressful, and more efficient to search for > it using non-visual skills. When I say "necessary," I speak of those > occasions where something isn't nonvisually accessible but can be if > your vision is sufficient for the task. for example, if your computer > isn't talking and you have no other way to figure out why, low vision > may be useful in getting some answers. > > A blindness first approach prevents the need for retraining. In the > case of those who ordinarily read print, there's no reason why you > can't still do so. Learning Braille is still an option when print won't > work for some reason. If you're worried about losing the skill, set > aside some time each night and read your favorite book in Braille to > maintain the skill. That way, it will be around when you really need > it. those low vision persons who use Braille and print often say > they're glad to have learned Braille even if they don't use it as often > as others do. > > I have been trained under both vision first and blindness first > approaches. I personally got more out of the blindness first approach > than the vision first approach. I consider myself to be more versitle > now that i have the blindness approach down. The blindness first > approach also teaches other transferable skils that have nothing to do > with blindness specifically such as problem solving, resourcefulness, > mapping and spacial awareness, cooking, technology, and even social > skills. More important, I realized that blindness really isn't a > handicap to living life. A vision first approach often misses this all > important truth because of the higherarchy of sight (to have some sight > is better than to have none). With a blindness first approach, we're > confronted immediately with our misconceptions, as well as those of > others. We are called upon to deal with them head on and are therefore > able to surpass them. > > As for training length and intensity, it is better to train all at once > because more concentrated time is spent in each subject. This > concentration and intensity of time means that you're more likely to > remember what you learn because you have to use it more often. I train > students to use computers. Those I intensively train get the material > faster and more efficiently than those I train less often. They are > also more likely to use and retain the skill afterward. My > non-intensive vision first approach took me twelve years. My intensive > blindness first approach training only took six months. I only had to > go through intensive training once (that's six months). Those who go > through chunked training may have to spread their training out over > time which will definitely mean more training time in the long-run. > > In general, intensive training in blindness means access to positive > blind role models who can mentor you during off hours while you're > having fun. Many times, these experiences prove more powerful than the > training itself. those who go through non-intensive training (often in > their community) don't have access to blind role models and so they > remain isolated during this critical time. > > Finally, I want to put something to rest. The blindness first approach > doesn't force anyone to do anything. If you attend a center that uses > sleep shades, a particular kind of cane, a particular teaching method, > or a particular philosophy, then you have chosen to use these methods. > You can't force the willing. The NfB centers are optional. People are > there because they want to be, not because they are forced to be. If > you feel like you're being forced, then you haven't exercised informed > choice. Choose a different center that has the methods you want. Just > choose wisely. I find it rather ironic and quite revealing that we > never hear of centers forcing participants to use low vision, but we > certainly hear of centers forcing students to use blindness techniques. > Just a thought. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Ashley and Jim. >> I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I >> have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I >> did >> have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. >> It >> was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying >> to >> make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. >> I >> also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't >> need >> it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said >> to >> them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a >> harder >> time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was >> in >> a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use >> the >> blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the >> training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one >> of >> the assistive technology trainers at the center. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > >>> Hi Jim, > >>> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >>> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >>> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >>> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >>> skills you'll likely never need. > >>> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >>> well; >>> they are successful at work. > >>> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. >>> Does >>> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >>> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state >>> do >>> you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what >>> you need rather than a nfb center first. >>> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >>> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many >>> high >>> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >>> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >>> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >>> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've >>> always >>> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > >>> Ashley > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Wed May 13 10:36:03 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 06:36:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <20090512220423.GF97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <632811.5532.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><5B401238206C41E3B43FA93E61BA4F25@Ashley><62439F22F23C4DA89D4AA38CB23AF8E4@Jessica> <20090512220423.GF97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <5F1FC14DFE054976A2F8773EA0EFB60F@Jessica> Joseph, I just have a harder time seeing at night. Also, too when we ride the bus in the evening or night time the stop we get off at isn't lit at all. So in turn that makes the bus stop very dark. The bus stop is also by the side of a grocery store as well. Although I'm extremely photophobic during the day I get used after a while to being out in the sun. I also do use a cane a bit more often now since I made the decision not to wear regular glasses because I found that they really weren't helping me out. Actually, I had known that pretty much since I was about in the sixth or seventh grade that they weren't really working for me. I didn't at the time really know how to tell the eye doctor that the glasses weren't working for me. In fact the second to the last pair I got here in New York State the Optometrist finally when I went back for my last two year check up with her she told me she accidently over corrected them to much. I do wear prescription sunglasses though when I remember to take them with me. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > Jess, > > It's unfortunate that you didn't have O&M under sleepshade. You really > learn to pay attention doing it that way, especially if you have someone > pointing out the things blocks away that you should be hearing. > > You have more trouble at night? Why's that, headlights? > > Joseph > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:18:15PM -0400, Jess wrote: >>Ashley and Jim. >>I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I >>have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did >>have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It >>was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to >>make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I >>also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need >>it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said >>to them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a >>harder time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the >>blindfold was in a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I >>didn't have to use the blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in >>charge of running the training program. I know the person who runs it now >>because he was one of the assistive technology trainers at the center. >>Jessica >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? >> >> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >>> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >>> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >>> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >>> skills you'll likely never need. >>> >>> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >>> well; they are successful at work. >>> >>> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. >>> Does your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow >>> you to use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What >>> state do you live in? You may consider a state center where you can >>> choose what you need rather than a nfb center first. >>> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >>> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many >>> high partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane >>> will not only help you travel better but it will identify your visual >>> impairment and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable >>> vision although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So >>> I've always used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Wed May 13 11:28:35 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:28:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <20090512031217.1054.66741@web2.serotek.com> References: <20090512031217.1054.66741@web2.serotek.com> Message-ID: Jedi and all. I forgot to mention that the training program I went through in 2001 was a total of six months. From July to August they did a college-prep program which for me just ended up being a waste of time because I would have been going into my second year at the major community college in Salt Lake although I was still considered a freshman. >From August to December was the traditional blindness training program. Before the program I had attended a summer camp for the blind and visually impaired were they taught us the blindness skills stuff that we weren't getting during the school year because of the time constrains of the teacher's of the blind or visually impaired. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jedi" To: Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > Colleagues: > > I am a graduate of the Louisiana center for the Blind, one of the NFB's > three training centers. I have partial vision. I have been trained in two > methods of blindness. In grade school, I used a duel-media system that > attempted to give equal time to vision and non-vision. This training was > not intensive; it was done in chunks. After high school, I went to the LCB > to learn non-visual skills specifically and intensively. These are my > findings. > > Low vision is hardly stable. Your eye doctor may say that your condition > is stable, but it really isn't. At least, not in the functional sense. Not > only does low vision change with the environment, but it can change over > time simply via the aging process. For that reason, it's never a bad idea > to learn non-visual techniques to prepare for the future and also to be > ready for times when the environment makes it tough to use your vision > efficiently. Environmental changes might include changes in lighting, the > difusion of lighting, contrast, visual clutter, chromatic difference (the > use of color), and the position of objects (are they in your field of > view?). The social environment may also inhibit the use of your vision. > for example, you may be able to read large print, but having a book in > front of your nose makes giving a speech a real problem. You may be use a > CCTV, but you can't take a CCTV everywhere with you unless you use a > portable magnifier (which is often more expensive than braile or asking > someone to read something to you). Even then, portible magnification has > its limits: the more magnification you need, the less you can see in terms > of actual area. The same goes for monoculars and other low vision > techniques. > > Non-visual techniques are more likely to work in a variety of areas at any > given time. You can read Braille in just about any environment (except > where it's wet). A cane and orientation skills will take care of any > changes to the visual environment as you travel. Tactile exploration > skills can help you navigate gracefully when searching for something. > While all of these techniques are unusual compared to how sighted people > do things, they allow a visually impaired person to stay on top of things. > > Let me move on to blindness agencies and training. Most blindness agencies > prefer a vision first approach. The goal here is to maximize low vision > and insert blindness techniques where necessary. There are two major > issues here, and I've experienced both under this approach. The first is > that your vision may change and you'll be forced to retrain. You may also > find that your non-visual skills may not be prepared to the extent to > which a situation may compromise your vision. In other words, you may know > how to use a screen magnifier with some speech. But what if you encounter > a web site where the visual elements are too hard to handle visually? A > screen reader may be useful here, but you've not been trained in screen > reader use since your training has focused primarily on your vision. For > most of us, simply not completing the task won't cut it. > > The opposite approach is a blindness first approach. Here, non-visual > techniques are stressed and low vision fills in the gaps where it's either > natural or necessary. When I say natural, I mean to say that you don't > have to strain to see something. For example, I may be walking with a cane > and all my blindness techniques in active use. But if I can see a poll, > I'm certainly going to avoid it. However, if I don't see the poll, my > active blindness techniques will certainly keep me from hitting it. > another example. If I've dropped a paper and can see it, there's no rule > that says I can't use my vision to pick it up. However, if I have to turn > my head in a number of contortions just to search for it, it may be > easier, less stressful, and more efficient to search for it using > non-visual skills. When I say "necessary," I speak of those occasions > where something isn't nonvisually accessible but can be if your vision is > sufficient for the task. for example, if your computer isn't talking and > you have no other way to figure out why, low vision may be useful in > getting some answers. > > A blindness first approach prevents the need for retraining. In the case > of those who ordinarily read print, there's no reason why you can't still > do so. Learning Braille is still an option when print won't work for some > reason. If you're worried about losing the skill, set aside some time each > night and read your favorite book in Braille to maintain the skill. That > way, it will be around when you really need it. those low vision persons > who use Braille and print often say they're glad to have learned Braille > even if they don't use it as often as others do. > > I have been trained under both vision first and blindness first > approaches. I personally got more out of the blindness first approach than > the vision first approach. I consider myself to be more versitle now that > i have the blindness approach down. The blindness first approach also > teaches other transferable skils that have nothing to do with blindness > specifically such as problem solving, resourcefulness, mapping and spacial > awareness, cooking, technology, and even social skills. More important, I > realized that blindness really isn't a handicap to living life. A vision > first approach often misses this all important truth because of the > higherarchy of sight (to have some sight is better than to have none). > With a blindness first approach, we're confronted immediately with our > misconceptions, as well as those of others. We are called upon to deal > with them head on and are therefore able to surpass them. > > As for training length and intensity, it is better to train all at once > because more concentrated time is spent in each subject. This > concentration and intensity of time means that you're more likely to > remember what you learn because you have to use it more often. I train > students to use computers. Those I intensively train get the material > faster and more efficiently than those I train less often. They are also > more likely to use and retain the skill afterward. My non-intensive vision > first approach took me twelve years. My intensive blindness first approach > training only took six months. I only had to go through intensive training > once (that's six months). Those who go through chunked training may have > to spread their training out over time which will definitely mean more > training time in the long-run. > > In general, intensive training in blindness means access to positive blind > role models who can mentor you during off hours while you're having fun. > Many times, these experiences prove more powerful than the training > itself. those who go through non-intensive training (often in their > community) don't have access to blind role models and so they remain > isolated during this critical time. > > Finally, I want to put something to rest. The blindness first approach > doesn't force anyone to do anything. If you attend a center that uses > sleep shades, a particular kind of cane, a particular teaching method, or > a particular philosophy, then you have chosen to use these methods. You > can't force the willing. The NfB centers are optional. People are there > because they want to be, not because they are forced to be. If you feel > like you're being forced, then you haven't exercised informed choice. > Choose a different center that has the methods you want. Just choose > wisely. I find it rather ironic and quite revealing that we never hear of > centers forcing participants to use low vision, but we certainly hear of > centers forcing students to use blindness techniques. Just a thought. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Ashley and Jim. >> I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I >> have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I >> did >> have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. >> It >> was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying >> to >> make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. >> I >> also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't >> need >> it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said >> to >> them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a >> harder >> time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the blindfold was >> in >> a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I didn't have to use >> the >> blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in charge of running the >> training program. I know the person who runs it now because he was one >> of >> the assistive technology trainers at the center. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > >>> Hi Jim, > >>> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >>> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >>> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >>> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >>> skills you'll likely never need. > >>> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >>> well; >>> they are successful at work. > >>> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. >>> Does >>> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >>> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state >>> do >>> you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose what >>> you need rather than a nfb center first. >>> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >>> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many >>> high >>> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >>> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >>> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >>> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've >>> always >>> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > >>> Ashley > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed May 13 12:58:48 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:58:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? Message-ID: <20090513125848.18448.61085@web3.serotek.com> Joseph, amen. I couldn't have said it better myself. I wish more low vision people would watch themselves doing visual tasks versus watching a skilled blind person use alternative techniques to do the same thing. It's interesting to me how hard people will fight just to be normal, yet it makes them seem more disabled than they really are. You know? Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Ashley, > No attack from me. Disagreement, sure. The best time to get > training is before you enter the workforce. Once you have a job, you > are going to have financial responsibilities and training will get in > the way. If you get them while you're young, your job prospects are > going to be better. > I use the skills I learned every day. Oh I don't work in a shop, but > I use what I learned about safety in the shop everywhere else. I > don't read Braille daily and my speed has dropped down to a paltry 40 > words per minute, but I know I can have it back any time I need it. > I use the skills I learned for working with screen readers to reduce > my dependency on the mouse. I work much faster because of it. > I can tell you what the traffic patterns are two blocks away through > my open window. I never used to pay attention to the fact that there > were traffic patterns until I got to an intersection. (Thank you > Eric Woods!) > Every day the little things that I now can do things without burying > my nose against them, all because of the skills I got in Colorado. > Since you're talking about people with lots of stable vision, do you > have any idea what such a person looks like doing visual tasks? > Record yourself on video sometime and watch it. It's not flattering, > and it will cause you to want to not look like that. > In a perfect world, I'd agree with you. Get what you need when you > need it, and do what works. But it's not a perfect world. We have > responsibilities and others' perceptions to deal with. That changes > things a bit, to my mind. > Joseph > On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:03:47PM -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi Jim, >> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >> skills you'll likely never need. >> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >> well; they are successful at work. >> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does >> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state >> do you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose >> what you need rather than a nfb center first. >> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high >> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always >> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From oceanrls at hotmail.com Wed May 13 13:08:32 2009 From: oceanrls at hotmail.com (rachel Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:08:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that is a great idea. I think blind high school students would really benefit from blind college students showing them around campus. I think it would give them a sense of security knowing that they too can get around college while being blind. I just don't know how this would happen. It is a great idea though! Rachel Jacobs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: "NABS mail list" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:03 PM Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach > I'm wondering what, if any stratagies people have tried to use in reaching > out to blind high school students. > > Also, I was wondering if the NABS has ever considered starting a program > where blind college students can show blind high schoolers around campus. > > In other words, if a blind high school student wanted to take a trip to > check out a potential college, then a blind college student could show > them around (assuming there is a blind student at the school in question). > Maybe there would even be a way to get the blind student guides paid > through such a program, as the program would ultimatly be helping the > college recruiters. > > Thoughts? > Jim > > Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com > From oceanrls at hotmail.com Wed May 13 13:15:48 2009 From: oceanrls at hotmail.com (rachel Jacobs) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:15:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] course smart and ichapter References: <423e6e460905111757m1ab3a270n41cff96df4c9befb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately I have not heard from either of these. Sorry! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:57 PM Subject: [nabs-l] course smart and ichapter > Hello everyone, > > I am trying to get a head start on getting my textbooks for the summer > and fall semesters and was told by my dss office about a service > called course smart. You can apparently purchase e-books for school. > Unfortunately I have done some research and their service does not > look very accessable. Have any of you heard about www.coursesmart.com > or know something contrary to what their accessability statement says? > Also, I remember a few months back someone mentioned a service called > ichapters. I was wondering if you could write to the list and explain > to us what that is. > > Thanks for all of your help! > Domonique > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com > From enews at codefactory.info Wed May 13 14:50:32 2009 From: enews at codefactory.info (Code Factory_eNews) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:50:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading on the go with Mobile DAISY Player V2.2, the only DAISY Player for Symbian phones compatible with DAISY 3.0 Message-ID: Caroline Ragot - Marketing Director marketing at codefactory.es Mobile DAISY Player V2.2 Reading on the go with Mobile DAISY Player V2.2 The only DAISY Player for Symbian phones compatible with DAISY 3.0 and Microsoft Save as DAISY Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, May 13, 2009 Mobile DAISY Player V2.2, Code Factory's electronic book reader, is now available. 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If you want to buy Mobile DAISY Player contact your closest distributor: http://codefactory.es/en/purchase.asp?id=54. About Code Factory Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa/Barcelona, Spain, Code Factory is the global leader committed to the development of products designed to eliminate barriers to the accessibility of mobile technology for the blind and visually impaired. Today, Code Factory is the leading provider of screen readers, screen magnifiers, and Braille interfaces for the widest range of mainstream mobile devices including Symbian-based and Windows Mobile-powered Smartphones as well as Pocket PC phones and PDAs. Code Factory's success lies in giving excellent customer support and in responding immediately to the needs of its end users. Among Code Factory's customers are well known organizations for the blind such as ONCE, and carriers such as AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone. Code Factory has also built strong partnerships with mainstream companies like Nokia, Microsoft, and HP as well as leading AT companies like Baum, HumanWare, Optelec and Sendero. For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.: Code Factory, S.L., Rambla d'Egara 148 2-2, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona) info at codefactory.es, www.codefactory.es Code Factory, S.L. - 2009 From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:18:24 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:18:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight years old, and cane users still need not apply. Joseph On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: > Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire to > do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other > science or math careers. Kristina Constant > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" > To: "NABS mail list" > Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? > > >> Hello all, >> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >> >> Am I missing something? >> Jim >> >> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:22:13 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:22:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> Jim, I also like your idea. I am seventeen, and the most security I've ever gotten in being shown around a new location is when another blind person is doing the showing. Maybe we can start a program where blind college students sign up as volunteers to show blind high school students around their specific campus. Then have a flyer writen up and circulated to high schools, to lists that have O and M and VI teachers on them, to the youth outreach program, post it on our website, as well as those of state devisions, and networking sites like myspace, facebook, (for those states that have them,) give the flyers to the parents of blind children. Circulate the information to all the places we can find within the NFB to start. The flyer can have a number or email address to contact if a student is interested, the contact could have a list of colleges, and the list of volunteers attending which college. Matches and appointments could be made. I don't think it'll be as difficult as some might thing. Also, Jim, I am a senior in high school, and I know many blind students in and around my city. Many of them were not to keen on being called blind, until I started a mini student group branched off my local chapter. It doesn't take that much to get high school students engaged. I invited them for pizza, cake and fun, when they got to my house... well that all happened, but first we had an hour meeting. Turned out they all stayed for about three more hours listening to music, eating, and talking about what had happened in the meeting and giving their ideas and thoughts. When your open and give kids the opportunity to express themselves, and don't do the "adults know best," speech, we do tend to open up and actually have fun. Just my thoughts. Aziza On 5/13/09, rachel Jacobs wrote: > I think that is a great idea. I think blind high school students would > really benefit from blind college students showing them around campus. I > think it would give them a sense of security knowing that they too can get > around college while being blind. I just don't know how this would happen. > It is a great idea though! > Rachel Jacobs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Reed" > To: "NABS mail list" > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:03 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > >> I'm wondering what, if any stratagies people have tried to use in reaching >> >> out to blind high school students. >> >> Also, I was wondering if the NABS has ever considered starting a program >> where blind college students can show blind high schoolers around campus. >> >> In other words, if a blind high school student wanted to take a trip to >> check out a potential college, then a blind college student could show >> them around (assuming there is a blind student at the school in question). >> >> Maybe there would even be a way to get the blind student guides paid >> through such a program, as the program would ultimatly be helping the >> college recruiters. >> >> Thoughts? >> Jim >> >> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:25:34 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:25:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA at all? Anywhere? I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into space, although I do think it's kind of cool. Aziza On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight > years old, and cane users still need not apply. > > Joseph > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire to >> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >> To: "NABS mail list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? >> >> >>> Hello all, >>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>> >>> Am I missing something? >>> Jim >>> >>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:38:18 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:38:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001301c9d3f1$9b17b110$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I also think that's a great idea! Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza C" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > Jim, > I also like your idea. I am seventeen, and the most security I've ever > gotten in being shown around a new location is when another blind > person is doing the showing. > Maybe we can start a program where blind college students sign up as > volunteers to show blind high school students around their specific > campus. Then have a flyer writen up and circulated to high schools, to > lists that have O and M and VI teachers on them, to the youth outreach > program, post it on our website, as well as those of state devisions, > and networking sites like myspace, facebook, (for those states that > have them,) give the flyers to the parents of blind children. > Circulate the information to all the places we can find within the NFB > to start. The flyer can have a number or email address to contact if a > student is interested, the contact could have a list of colleges, and > the list of volunteers attending which college. > Matches and appointments could be made. > I don't think it'll be as difficult as some might thing. > > Also, Jim, I am a senior in high school, and I know many blind > students in and around my city. Many of them were not to keen on being > called blind, until I started a mini student group branched off my > local chapter. It doesn't take that much to get high school students > engaged. I invited them for pizza, cake and fun, when they got to my > house... well that all happened, but first we had an hour meeting. > Turned out they all stayed for about three more hours listening to > music, eating, and talking about what had happened in the meeting and > giving their ideas and thoughts. When your open and give kids the > opportunity to express themselves, and don't do the "adults know > best," speech, we do tend to open up and actually have fun. > > Just my thoughts. > Aziza > > On 5/13/09, rachel Jacobs wrote: >> I think that is a great idea. I think blind high school students would >> really benefit from blind college students showing them around campus. I >> think it would give them a sense of security knowing that they too can >> get >> around college while being blind. I just don't know how this would >> happen. >> It is a great idea though! >> Rachel Jacobs >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Reed" >> To: "NABS mail list" >> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:03 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> >>> I'm wondering what, if any stratagies people have tried to use in >>> reaching >>> >>> out to blind high school students. >>> >>> Also, I was wondering if the NABS has ever considered starting a program >>> where blind college students can show blind high schoolers around >>> campus. >>> >>> In other words, if a blind high school student wanted to take a trip to >>> check out a potential college, then a blind college student could show >>> them around (assuming there is a blind student at the school in >>> question). >>> >>> Maybe there would even be a way to get the blind student guides paid >>> through such a program, as the program would ultimatly be helping the >>> college recruiters. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> Jim >>> >>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oceanrls%40hotmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:42:58 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:42:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <20090513125848.18448.61085@web3.serotek.com> References: <20090513125848.18448.61085@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <20090513174258.GP97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jedi, I think it comes down to rejection of the notion of blindness for many people. It did for me: Let me show you how to do this task without vision. But I can still see! Yes, but if you do it this way, you won't need to see. ...But I can still see! The fact that I looked like I had far more of a disability than I thought I did never entered into the picture, because my perception was that my disability wasn't really that severe. Video reveals the truth: I can't see squat. Mr. Magoo's probably got better eyesight than I have, and at least he's got the excuse of being old. Nobody expects him to get a job, raise a family, etc. Is it any wonder why a sighted person might question my ability to do those things? Maybe I learned not to take such questions seriously while I was in Colorado, they're still asked far too often by stupid people with far too much power. Certainly I won't prevent that, but I needn't give it ammunition by doing things that I know make me look foolish in front of them, like trying to read a 16 point serif font, for example. Now that said, ideally, kids who grow up blind should not need our training centers. That so many do is a testament to the state of education in this country for blind children, and it's not a good one. That's a whole separate thread though, and I've got a midterm to finish writing. Joseph On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 08:58:48AM -0400, Jedi wrote: > Joseph, > > amen. I couldn't have said it better myself. I wish more low vision > people would watch themselves doing visual tasks versus watching a > skilled blind person use alternative techniques to do the same thing. > It's interesting to me how hard people will fight just to be normal, yet > it makes them seem more disabled than they really are. You know? > > Respectfully, > Jedi > Original message: >> Ashley, > >> No attack from me. Disagreement, sure. The best time to get >> training is before you enter the workforce. Once you have a job, you >> are going to have financial responsibilities and training will get in >> the way. If you get them while you're young, your job prospects are >> going to be better. > >> I use the skills I learned every day. Oh I don't work in a shop, but >> I use what I learned about safety in the shop everywhere else. I >> don't read Braille daily and my speed has dropped down to a paltry 40 >> words per minute, but I know I can have it back any time I need it. > >> I use the skills I learned for working with screen readers to reduce >> my dependency on the mouse. I work much faster because of it. > >> I can tell you what the traffic patterns are two blocks away through >> my open window. I never used to pay attention to the fact that there >> were traffic patterns until I got to an intersection. (Thank you >> Eric Woods!) > >> Every day the little things that I now can do things without burying >> my nose against them, all because of the skills I got in Colorado. >> Since you're talking about people with lots of stable vision, do you >> have any idea what such a person looks like doing visual tasks? >> Record yourself on video sometime and watch it. It's not flattering, >> and it will cause you to want to not look like that. > >> In a perfect world, I'd agree with you. Get what you need when you >> need it, and do what works. But it's not a perfect world. We have >> responsibilities and others' perceptions to deal with. That changes >> things a bit, to my mind. > >> Joseph > > >> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 06:03:47PM -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi Jim, > >>> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >>> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >>> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >>> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >>> skills you'll likely never need. > >>> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >>> well; they are successful at work. > >>> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. Does >>> your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow you to >>> use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What state >>> do you live in? You may consider a state center where you can choose >>> what you need rather than a nfb center first. >>> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >>> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many high >>> partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane will not >>> only help you travel better but it will identify your visual impairment >>> and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable vision >>> although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So I've always >>> used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. > >>> Ashley > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:48:42 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:48:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? In-Reply-To: <5F1FC14DFE054976A2F8773EA0EFB60F@Jessica> References: <20090512220423.GF97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <5F1FC14DFE054976A2F8773EA0EFB60F@Jessica> Message-ID: <20090513174842.GQ97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jess, You don't adapt quickly to the light changes then? I follow. I seem to adapt pretty quick unless I've been in white-out light (best description I can come up with) for about twenty minutes. Then I just don't see anything for about three minutes. A bus doesn't do that to me, only the sun. I don't wear glasses either. Coke bottles that are useless for anything but a terrible headache. No thank you. Joseph On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 06:36:03AM -0400, Jess wrote: >Joseph, >I just have a harder time seeing at night. Also, too when we ride the bus in >the evening or night time the stop we get off at isn't lit at all. So in >turn that makes the bus stop very dark. The bus stop is also by the side of >a grocery store as well. Although I'm extremely photophobic during the day >I get used after a while to being out in the sun. I also do use a cane a bit >more often now since I made the decision not to wear regular glasses because >I found that they really weren't helping me out. Actually, I had known that >pretty much since I was about in the sixth or seventh grade that they >weren't really working for me. I didn't at the time really know how to tell >the eye doctor that the glasses weren't working for me. In fact the second >to the last pair I got here in New York State the Optometrist finally when I >went back for my last two year check up with her she told me she accidently >over corrected them to much. I do wear prescription sunglasses though when I >remember to take them with me. >Jessica >----- Original Message ----- >From: "T. Joseph Carter" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 6:04 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? > > >> Jess, >> >> It's unfortunate that you didn't have O&M under sleepshade. You really >> learn to pay attention doing it that way, especially if you have someone >> pointing out the things blocks away that you should be hearing. >> >> You have more trouble at night? Why's that, headlights? >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 07:18:15PM -0400, Jess wrote: >>>Ashley and Jim. >>>I've attended a state run training center in Utah in 2001 and although I >>>have significant usable vision to where I'm considered legally blind I did >>>have to wear a blindfold in at at least one of the classes that I took. It >>>was the Adaptive Daily Living Skills because the instructor was trying to >>>make it a level playing field for the totally blind people in the group. I >>>also got out of doing O&M because I basically told them that I didn't need >>>it during the day which was the time that it was being done. I also said >>>to them I need O&ME training more at night because that's when I have a >>>harder time traveling. The only other time I was forced to use the >>>blindfold was in a Braille class. Pretty much all the other classes I >>>didn't have to use the blindfold. Now, a Staunchly NFB member is now in >>>charge of running the training program. I know the person who runs it now >>>because he was one of the assistive technology trainers at the center. >>>Jessica >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>>Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:03 PM >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training: As needed, or all at once? >>> >>> >>>> Hi Jim, >>>> >>>> This is my opinion and I will be in the minority and hope not to be >>>> attacked. If your vision is stable and you >>>> can function well with print and other visual skills, then don't do >>>> training now. Yes its a lot of time and effort on your part to learn >>>> skills you'll likely never need. >>>> >>>> Some visually impaired people I know never learn braille and they do >>>> well; they are successful at work. >>>> >>>> NFB centers imerse you in nonvisual skills and you are blindfolded. >>>> Does your state offer a state rehab center? Often state centers allow >>>> you to use low vision techniques and use nonvisual ones as needed. What >>>> state do you live in? You may consider a state center where you can >>>> choose what you need rather than a nfb center first. >>>> So I think if your vision is stable there is no need to go for blindness >>>> training now. I commend your decission to learn to use a cane. Many >>>> high partials like yourself never try it. Learning and using a cane >>>> will not only help you travel better but it will identify your visual >>>> impairment and eliminate the need to explain sometimes. I have usable >>>> vision although not as much as you. We both have tunnel vision. So >>>> I've always used visual and nonvisual techniques to function. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 13 17:52:19 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:52:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind training and its affect on a career In-Reply-To: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090513175219.GR97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Jim, No, the job doesn't stay open unless your boss thinks you're too valuable to lose. That's why I said you ought to get the training sooner rather than later. Joseph On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:21:06AM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >Hello, > >I was just wondering, if a blind person reaches a stage in life where blind training becomes nesicary, is that person's employer required to hold that person's job open until they return from training (similar to maternity leave or National Guard deployment)? > >Next semester is my last semester of grad school. If I am going to go to a training center, the gap between grad school and "real life" would be the perfect time to do it. But like I said the other day, I just don't know if my vision is bad enough to justify VR paying for it (unless I can convince them that it will benifit my career in the long run). > >Thoughts? >Jim > >Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Wed May 13 18:06:28 2009 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (tina thomas ) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:06:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <531354.95860.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello Aziza- yes, A woman named Dena Lambert is currently working for NASSA. And there are probably other blind individuals who work for NASSA as well. Tina "Trust your own instinct. Your mistakes might as well be your own instead of someone else's." - Billy Wilder -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza C Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA at all? Anywhere? I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into space, although I do think it's kind of cool. Aziza On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight > years old, and cane users still need not apply. > > Joseph > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can >> aspire to do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or >> doing other science or math careers. Kristina Constant >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >> To: "NABS mail list" >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? >> >> >>> Hello all, >>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>> >>> Am I missing something? >>> Jim >>> >>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40s >>> tudent.umass.edu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjosep >> h%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingnco > lor%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.n et No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2110 - Release Date: 05/13/09 07:04:00 From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Wed May 13 18:26:12 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:26:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090513142612.q6nr1uhus48s08sc@webmail.utoronto.ca> I know someone who worked for NASA years ago as an electrical engineer. He was (and is) completely blind. I also think there is a current blind employee, but I'd have to do some digging through my inbox to find the relevant article.Quoting Aziza C : > I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that > I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, > why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it > just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind > people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has > it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. > > Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA > at all? Anywhere? > > I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into > space, although I do think it's kind of cool. > Aziza > > On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight >> years old, and cane users still need not apply. >> >> Joseph >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >>> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire to >>> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >>> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >>> To: "NABS mail list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>>> >>>> Am I missing something? >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40utoronto.ca > From cassonw at gmail.com Wed May 13 18:30:57 2009 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:30:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0905131130w2774c709oe8bb60256b685f58@mail.gmail.com> I attended the rocket-on! science academy several years ago and we worked with several blind nasa scientists. Nasa is a large organization and does more then just fly into space. The relevance is more of symbolism and publicity. the point is to bring attention to the braille literacy crisis to the public at large. The more people know about the crisis the more who can help solve it. Bill On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Aziza C wrote: > I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that > I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, > why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it > just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind > people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has > it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. > > Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA > at all? Anywhere? > > I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into > space, although I do think it's kind of cool. > Aziza > > On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > > That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight > > years old, and cane users still need not apply. > > > > Joseph > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: > >> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire > to > >> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other > >> science or math careers. Kristina Constant > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" > >> To: "NABS mail list" > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM > >> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space > relivant? > >> > >> > >>> Hello all, > >>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic > >>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to > >>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection > >>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. > >>> > >>> Am I missing something? > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > >>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > >>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > >>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com > From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Wed May 13 18:53:59 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 13:53:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Audio Production: Track, Mix and Master with SONAR Message-ID: Hi all, The goodFeel Braille Music class was such a great success, we've decided to host yet another Dancing Dots class at the Handy Tech North America facility. Read on: Monday, May 11, 2009 For Immediate Distribution Sales contact: Earle Harrison 651-636-5184 earle at handytech.us Dancing Dots Braille Music Technology & Handy Tech North America present. Accessible Audio Production: Track, Mix and Master with SONAR When: Thursday, June 11, and Friday, June 12, 2009 - 9:00 AM to 4:00 PM. Where: Handy Tech North America, 3989 Central Avenue NE., Suite 402, Columbia Heights, MN 55421 Telephone: 651-636-5184 Email: info at handytech.us Web: Handy Tech North America Registration: To register, fill out our Online Registration Form Overview Learn to use the SONAR digital audio workstation software that converts a Windows-based PC into a multi-track, high-end recording studio complete with high-tech audio effects such as reverb, flanging and equalization. SONAR lets you record electronic instrumental sounds onto individual tracks using a MIDI musical keyboard. using a microphone, you can record acoustic sounds such as someone singing or playing a real violin onto audio tracks. SONAR ships with a number of so-called soft synthes. These are digital software instruments that can be triggered by the musical keyboard. CakeTalking for SONAR from Dancing Dots is a JAWS-based access method for SONAR that allows blind audio producers to use SONAR independently using a blend of verbal and sound cues. CakeTalking installs a number of detailed tutorial documents containing hundreds of pages of valuable information written primarily for the user of JAWS for Windows and also features extensive online help. What You Will Learn A trainer from Dancing Dots will teach you to record and edit instrumental and vocal performances on individual tracks using SONAR. You will learn techniques to adjust timing on MIDI and audio tracks, how to apply various effects, insert soft synthes, alter volume and panning settings, and remove unwanted noises such as a cough, etc. Once all tracks are complete, you will learn a technique called mixing for blending all tracks into a cohesive performance. Then you will learn how to mix the tracks down to a stereo, two-track master. You will export results to any of a number of standard audio formats such as mp3, .wav or Windows Media. These files can be burned to a CD, uploaded to a website, E-mailed to customers, etc. The material to be recorded will be of your own choosing but ideally should be a selection which you can use for some "real-world" purpose such as putting it up on a site to share with family and friends or to distribute commercially. Prerequisites: Blind participants should have strong skills in the use of the JAWS for Windows screen reader software. Sighted participants should be prepared to learn the technology without the use of a mouse. That is, they should be able to learn to operate SONAR from the PC keyboard using JAWS just as those they will train will need to learn to do. Musical ability is not required if your goal is to learn enough to be able to train others. Also, some participants may want to create test projects such as voice-overs for commercials or promotional messages using prerecorded music as a sound bed. However, those wishing to create audio productions of musical compositions or arrangements obviously must have some musical talent. That being said, you need not be a professional musician or even an experienced amateur to create an audio project that's all your own. Tuition $550 per person for two days. $400 for each additional participant from the same organization or family. Included: : Use of a PC workstation loaded with SONAR 8, CakeTalking for SONAR 8, JAWS for Windows, high-end audio interface with microphone, electronic musical keyboard, box lunch, coff Best Regards: David Wright Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com Mobile: (512)203-2474 Webpage: http://www.knfbreader.com From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Wed May 13 19:11:57 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:11:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <26d2dfeb0905131130w2774c709oe8bb60256b685f58@mail.gmail.com> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> <26d2dfeb0905131130w2774c709oe8bb60256b685f58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <632092010905131211m3e00d3c8vfa08939f616d76c5@mail.gmail.com> I think Bill has solved the puzzle for us, that definetly makes sense to me. Aziza On 5/13/09, Bill wrote: > I attended the rocket-on! science academy several years ago and we worked > with several blind nasa scientists. Nasa is a large organization and does > more then just fly into space. The relevance is more of symbolism and > publicity. the point is to bring attention to the braille literacy crisis > to the public at large. The more people know about the crisis the more who > can help solve it. > Bill > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Aziza C > wrote: > >> I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that >> I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, >> why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it >> just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind >> people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has >> it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. >> >> Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA >> at all? Anywhere? >> >> I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into >> space, although I do think it's kind of cool. >> Aziza >> >> On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> > That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight >> > years old, and cane users still need not apply. >> > >> > Joseph >> > >> > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >> >> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire >> to >> >> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >> >> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >> >> To: "NABS mail list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space >> relivant? >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hello all, >> >>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >> >>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >> >>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >> >>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >> >>> >> >>> Am I missing something? >> >>> Jim >> >>> >> >>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >> >>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >> >>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >> >>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed May 13 19:43:46 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:43:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090513194346.GT97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Dave Evans did some engineering work for NASA as I recall. He's also done some of the work on a significant fighter aircraft, though I can't recall which one now. We can make them fly, but not fly in them, apparently. I'm still committed to the idea of going into space. I may well be the first blind person to do it, too. Of course it may not matter at that point, since space tourism would likely be open to the general public before I'd be able to do it. Joseph On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:25:34AM -0700, Aziza C wrote: >I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that >I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, >why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it >just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind >people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has >it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. > >Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA >at all? Anywhere? > >I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into >space, although I do think it's kind of cool. >Aziza > >On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight >> years old, and cane users still need not apply. >> >> Joseph >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >>> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire to >>> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >>> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >>> To: "NABS mail list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>>> >>>> Am I missing something? >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From liz.bottner at gmail.com Wed May 13 19:59:49 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:59:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> Hi, I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I can. Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Wed May 13 21:14:08 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:14:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? In-Reply-To: <20090513194346.GT97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> <20090513194346.GT97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <632092010905131414k4539eb6difb8246cbf8388de@mail.gmail.com> I think it would rock Joesiph! Even if it was open to the public, it would be awesome. Aziza On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Dave Evans did some engineering work for NASA as I recall. He's also > done some of the work on a significant fighter aircraft, though I > can't recall which one now. We can make them fly, but not fly in > them, apparently. > > I'm still committed to the idea of going into space. I may well be > the first blind person to do it, too. Of course it may not matter at > that point, since space tourism would likely be open to the general > public before I'd be able to do it. > > Joseph > > > On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:25:34AM -0700, Aziza C wrote: >>I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that >>I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, >>why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it >>just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind >>people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has >>it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. >> >>Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA >>at all? Anywhere? >> >>I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into >>space, although I do think it's kind of cool. >>Aziza >> >>On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >>> That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight >>> years old, and cane users still need not apply. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >>>> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire >>>> to >>>> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >>>> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >>>> To: "NABS mail list" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space >>>> relivant? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>>>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>>>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>>>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>>>> >>>>> Am I missing something? >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>>>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>>>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>>>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From fowlers at syix.com Wed May 13 21:55:03 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:55:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are talking about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled by the individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states to put something like this together? Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. Then we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are in need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. What do you guys think? Angela -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz Bottner Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach Hi, I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I can. Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:04:04 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:04:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com><4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> Message-ID: <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I think that is a wonderful idea! Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are talking > about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled by the > individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states to put > something like this together? > Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this > plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and > universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. > Then > we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some > incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate > in > the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who > are > willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high > school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are > in > need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then > follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. > What do you guys think? > Angela > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Liz Bottner > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > Hi, > > I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I > can. > > Liz > > email: > liz.bottner at gmail.com > Visit my livejournal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/lizbot > Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the > March > for Independence: > http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea > m&fr_id=1050 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Wed May 13 22:33:18 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:33:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <632092010905131533o3fc1617dv9af36c1c621ec77a@mail.gmail.com> Angela, Only one addition to your idea. Their are programs that take field trips with students to colleges, I went on one with my AVID program, this college prep program at my school as a Freshman. Maybe college blind students could make filed trip tours less of a bore? I personally got nothing out of the tour because the guide stood in the middle, pointed at things, told us what was waht, and sent us to go get food. Aziza On 5/13/09, Rania wrote: > I think that is a wonderful idea! > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela fowler" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > >>I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are talking >> about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled by the >> individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states to put >> something like this together? >> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >> plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and >> universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >> Then >> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some >> incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate >> in >> the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who >> are >> willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high >> school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are >> in >> need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then >> follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. >> What do you guys think? >> Angela >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Liz Bottner >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> Hi, >> >> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I >> can. >> >> Liz >> >> email: >> liz.bottner at gmail.com >> Visit my livejournal: >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://twitter.com/lizbot >> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the >> March >> for Independence: >> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea >> m&fr_id=1050 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From fowlers at syix.com Wed May 13 22:52:51 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:52:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <632092010905131533o3fc1617dv9af36c1c621ec77a@mail.gmail.com> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com><4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com><88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab><000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <632092010905131533o3fc1617dv9af36c1c621ec77a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, a college-age mentor could not only give the high school student someone they could relate too, but could help to communicate to the guide the need to verbally explain what is going on. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aziza C Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach Angela, Only one addition to your idea. Their are programs that take field trips with students to colleges, I went on one with my AVID program, this college prep program at my school as a Freshman. Maybe college blind students could make filed trip tours less of a bore? I personally got nothing out of the tour because the guide stood in the middle, pointed at things, told us what was waht, and sent us to go get food. Aziza On 5/13/09, Rania wrote: > I think that is a wonderful idea! > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela fowler" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > >>I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are >>talking about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled >>by the individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states >>to put something like this together? >> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >>plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and >>universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >> Then >> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them >>some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to >>participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a database >>of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we market, market, >>market the program to high school juniors and seniors throughout the >>state. When high schoolers are in need of a mentor, they contact us, >>we pair them with someone, and then follow up with both parties to >>make sure all is going well. >> What do you guys think? >> Angela >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Liz Bottner >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> Hi, >> >> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way >> that I can. >> >> Liz >> >> email: >> liz.bottner at gmail.com >> Visit my livejournal: >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://twitter.com/lizbot >> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the >> March for Independence: >> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830 >> &pg=tea >> m&fr_id=1050 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syi >> x.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >> %40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingnco > lor%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From cassonw at gmail.com Wed May 13 23:03:45 2009 From: cassonw at gmail.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <26d2dfeb0905131603l278c354fxc752a01feb6ff3ac@mail.gmail.com> At my school the admissions office handles most of the campus visits by prespective students. I think we might benifit more by contacting these offices. For my campus many students are from out of state and therefore contacting the HS would be limited in its useful ness. Many state schools have far more local students in which case contacting hs's would be good. If we have the people, it might also be good to set up a table at larger college fairs to talk to students about the college experience. I don't know how well that would work though. Bill On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Rania wrote: > I think that is a wonderful idea! > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > > I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are talking >> about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled by the >> individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states to put >> something like this together? >> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >> plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and >> universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >> Then >> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some >> incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate >> in >> the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who >> are >> willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high >> school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are >> in >> need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then >> follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. >> What do you guys think? >> Angela >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Liz Bottner >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> Hi, >> >> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I >> can. >> >> Liz >> >> email: >> liz.bottner at gmail.com >> Visit my livejournal: >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://twitter.com/lizbot >> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the >> March >> for Independence: >> >> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea >> m&fr_id=1050 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cassonw%40gmail.com > From labney at charter.net Wed May 13 23:07:21 2009 From: labney at charter.net (Lou) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:07:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003501c9d41f$91fe5a10$b5fb0e30$@net> Hi, I am In louisiana and will be willing to help also. To get a plug in I monitor the Louisiana students list come on over if you would like. Lou -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz Bottner Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach Hi, I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I can. Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the March for Independence: http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea m&fr_id=1050 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/labney%40charter.net From thisischris89 at gmail.com Thu May 14 00:46:08 2009 From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christopher Kchao) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:46:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis braille coins into space relevant? In-Reply-To: <20090513194346.GT97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net><632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> <20090513194346.GT97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <6FBAECF1075A491F81527ECCFB7C4FDA@consumer281f9d> Anyone heard the name Marco Midon? He's the twin brother of Raul midon, a jazz guitarist/singer songwriter, also blind. In any case, I believe Marco is or was an engineer at NASA, though he might have some residual vision. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of T. Joseph Carter Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? Dave Evans did some engineering work for NASA as I recall. He's also done some of the work on a significant fighter aircraft, though I can't recall which one now. We can make them fly, but not fly in them, apparently. I'm still committed to the idea of going into space. I may well be the first blind person to do it, too. Of course it may not matter at that point, since space tourism would likely be open to the general public before I'd be able to do it. Joseph On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 10:25:34AM -0700, Aziza C wrote: >I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that >I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, >why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it >just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind >people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has >it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. > >Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA >at all? Anywhere? > >I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into >space, although I do think it's kind of cool. >Aziza > >On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight >> years old, and cane users still need not apply. >> >> Joseph >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >>> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire to >>> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >>> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >>> To: "NABS mail list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>>> >>>> Am I missing something? >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.u mass.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gma il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40 gmail.com >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai l.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu May 14 01:17:29 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:17:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind training and its affect on a career In-Reply-To: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <536972.53721.qm@web65712.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As long as you go to a good program, I think most of us who have been would agree that there will be benefits to you for your whole life. If you can convince rehab to pay for it, then go for it. I don't think an employer would necessarily be required to hold your job etc. for 6 or 9 months, although I could be wrong. They are required to make "reasonable accommodations." They would probably offer FLSA leave, and that holds your status, but is unpaid. Dave At 12:21 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote: >Hello, > >I was just wondering, if a blind person reaches a stage in life >where blind training becomes nesicary, is that person's employer >required to hold that person's job open until they return from >training (similar to maternity leave or National Guard deployment)? > >Next semester is my last semester of grad school. If I am going to >go to a training center, the gap between grad school and "real life" >would be the perfect time to do it. But like I said the other day, I >just don't know if my vision is bad enough to justify VR paying for >it (unless I can convince them that it will benifit my career in the long run). > >Thoughts? >Jim > >Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4072 (20090513) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu May 14 01:19:45 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 20:19:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Braille coins into space relevant? In-Reply-To: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The thing that you might not know is that NASA has worked with us for some time, on several programs aimed at increasing access to science by blind persons, providing some materials about astronomy etc., to the blind etc. We have a very fruitful relationship with them, and yes, the coins are symbolic, but pretty neat. Dave At 12:31 PM 5/12/2009, you wrote: >Hello all, >I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. > >Am I missing something? >Jim > >Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4072 (20090513) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From miriamd at optonline.net Thu May 14 02:39:44 2009 From: miriamd at optonline.net (Miriam D. Feiner) Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 22:39:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: <84062994494844499C16AB34E9747984@5P8NPB1> My name is Miriam Feiner and I live in Monsey, N.Y. I am legally blind and have a BA in Psychology. I was wondering if anyone knows of summer sports programs in my area. Thanks everyone at nabs-l, for the great information you share. From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu May 14 08:37:20 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 03:37:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Message-ID: Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? Dezman From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Thu May 14 09:23:03 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 02:23:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090514092303.GB5325@yumi.bluecherry.net> When I was 13, my mother took me down to the DMV to get one. First and last time that happened. My legs work. The eyes, they aren't so good. I felt strongly about this long before I ever met katie, who needs the wide space for what it's intended: to get in and out of a wheelchair. She should have one. I shouldn't. Joseph On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 03:37:20AM -0500, Dezman Jackson wrote: >Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > >Dezman >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu May 14 10:48:19 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 06:48:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself References: <84062994494844499C16AB34E9747984@5P8NPB1> Message-ID: <004101c9d481$7f310b00$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Hi welcome to the list. There is a sports and reck list that can help you out. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miriam D. Feiner" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself > > My name is Miriam Feiner and I live in Monsey, N.Y. I am legally blind and > have a BA in Psychology. I was wondering if anyone knows of summer sports > programs in my area. Thanks everyone at nabs-l, for the great information > you share. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From kconstan at student.umass.edu Thu May 14 11:57:18 2009 From: kconstan at student.umass.edu (Kristina Constant) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 07:57:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself References: <84062994494844499C16AB34E9747984@5P8NPB1> Message-ID: <9A0820966B294078A52440ABFF4D6E1A@user0b70da9c0d> Hi, There is a camp for the blind in ny but not sure if it is close to you. It is visions vacation camp for the blind and they have sports during their camps. Kristina Constant p.s. The camp is in spring valley ny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miriam D. Feiner" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:39 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself > > My name is Miriam Feiner and I live in Monsey, N.Y. I am legally blind and > have a BA in Psychology. I was wondering if anyone knows of summer sports > programs in my area. Thanks everyone at nabs-l, for the great information > you share. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu > From pajohns1 at vt.edu Thu May 14 12:08:44 2009 From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:08:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: Message-ID: I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a month, having it gives me ease of mind. Patrick @Virginia Tech ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on > these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have you > ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > > Dezman > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Thu May 14 12:46:44 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:46:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica> Dezman, My fianc�e and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the Mall or whatever. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use it > when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly bad. If > the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available the placard > is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a month, having it > gives me ease of mind. > > Patrick > @Virginia Tech > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on >> these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have >> you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >> >> Dezman >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From hfurney at bgsu.edu Thu May 14 13:00:42 2009 From: hfurney at bgsu.edu (Hannah G Furney) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:00:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023FF489B0008B4D9E6729B9F01EB22436434E5F18@MAIL6.bgsu.edu> Since I have become a part of the NFB, I have learned that we do not need the stickers. If we are blind, that does not mean for the most part that we have trouble with walking, we just have trouble seeing. Others that have trouble walking need the stickers to help them. Hannah Furney Cru NABS OABs NFB NFB- Ohio NFB of Greater Toledo- Board Member At Large ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dezman Jackson [jackson.dezman at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? Dezman _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hfurney%40bgsu.edu From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu May 14 13:55:12 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:55:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica> Message-ID: <7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> Jess, Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. > But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get it > for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the Mall > or whatever. > Jessica > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> >> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use it >> when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly bad. >> If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available the >> placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a month, >> having it gives me ease of mind. >> >> Patrick >> @Virginia Tech >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dezman Jackson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on >>> these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have >>> you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>> >>> Dezman >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Thu May 14 16:14:34 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:14:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: <7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica> <7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> Message-ID: Dezman, She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. Jess ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Jess, Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > My fianc�e and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. > But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get it > for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the Mall > or whatever. > Jessica > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> >> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use it >> when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly bad. If >> the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available the >> placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a month, >> having it gives me ease of mind. >> >> Patrick >> @Virginia Tech >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dezman Jackson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on >>> these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have >>> you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>> >>> Dezman >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Thu May 14 17:16:05 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:16:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Accessibility Message-ID: <772C7E8C5DD3415597619777113B7B33@dwrigh6> Good afternoon all, For those of you who are interested in learning how to utilize the accessibility built in to the Mac OSX, please check out: http://www.icanworkthisthing.com There are a number of good tutorials for VoiceOver on this site. For new Mac enthusiasts, this should be a great resource. Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu May 14 17:22:53 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:22:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica><7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> Message-ID: <48241634ABD44F6EB0CA4DC358755E74@Dezman> Oh ok. That makes sense. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >> Mall or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>> >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From jdraichle at gmail.com Thu May 14 17:27:14 2009 From: jdraichle at gmail.com (Jessica Raichle) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:27:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica><7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> Message-ID: <9730A1FB378D4435BB870F85323D1D03@D6RYFF31> Jess: Your mom should be able to use the handicap sticker she has anywhere. Now for my two cents... When I first got the handicap sticker, I felt the same way many of you do; I got it mainly because my parents are lazy and wanted to use it to get parking close...I couldn't care less about having to walk like everyone else! Since I got a dog, though, I have found it does help sometimes so I have plenty of room to not be afraid of hitting the car next to us when getting out and tgetting my dog out. I have not had one for nearly a year, though, and have found that, the vast majority of the time, it is just fine. My mom keeps wanting me to get it renewed so she doesn't have to walk so far. She's a whole other story, though! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >> Mall or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>> >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jdraichle%40gmail.com > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu May 14 17:52:13 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:52:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Message-ID: <20090514175213.24698.52564@web3.serotek.com> Listers: Washington State recently held a hearing regarding this issue. Our state legislature was trying to decide if blind people should be allowed to get a sticker. Ordinarily, the sticker is used for those with physical disabilities who have difficulty walking or need whellchair access. Otherwise, the stickers are used for those with severe health challenges such as heart disease. I personally don't think blindness counts as a serious health challenge, and we certainly have no trouble walking save for those of us with other disabilities. I personally feel it's unethical to use a sticker when it's convenient such as when it rains or when parking is bad, particularly when we won't die in the rain and we could use the exercise. Meanwhile, someone in a wheelchair does need that spot. Just my opinion. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting a > Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> Dezman, >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get it >> for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the Mall >> or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use it >>> when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly bad. If >>> the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available the >>> placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a month, >>> having it gives me ease of mind. >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on >>>> these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have >>>> you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Thu May 14 18:09:27 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:09:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: <9730A1FB378D4435BB870F85323D1D03@D6RYFF31> References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica><7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> <9730A1FB378D4435BB870F85323D1D03@D6RYFF31> Message-ID: Jessica, It's not my mom. It's my fianc�e's mom . I think that the requirements might also differ from state to state. And, his mom doesn't live in New York State. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica Raichle" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Jess: Your mom should be able to use the handicap sticker she has anywhere. Now for my two cents... When I first got the handicap sticker, I felt the same way many of you do; I got it mainly because my parents are lazy and wanted to use it to get parking close...I couldn't care less about having to walk like everyone else! Since I got a dog, though, I have found it does help sometimes so I have plenty of room to not be afraid of hitting the car next to us when getting out and tgetting my dog out. I have not had one for nearly a year, though, and have found that, the vast majority of the time, it is just fine. My mom keeps wanting me to get it renewed so she doesn't have to walk so far. She's a whole other story, though! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> My fianc�e and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >> Mall or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>> >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jdraichle%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From freespirit328 at gmail.com Thu May 14 18:27:24 2009 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:27:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica><7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> <48241634ABD44F6EB0CA4DC358755E74@Dezman> Message-ID: Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a handicapped plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the time in Massachusettes. Maybe other states are different? Jen Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com Get healthy! http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com Contact me: Jennifer Aberdeen PO Box 1184 Woonsocket, RI 02895 401-762-3258 (home) 401-644-5607 (cell) freespirit328 at gmail.com SKYPE: J.Aberdeen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Oh ok. That makes sense. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >> Mall or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>> >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com From dlawless86 at gmail.com Thu May 14 19:46:29 2009 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 14:46:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <632092010905131533o3fc1617dv9af36c1c621ec77a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <423e6e460905141246x275c8a0ao33e872b1fa2834df@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, This sounds like a great idea. I think that the best way to accomplish this though is by approaching your state student division boards. You can do this by requesting a slot on the agenda at either a board or member meeting. Keep up the great ideas you guys! Domonique On 5/13/09, Angela fowler wrote: > Yes, a college-age mentor could not only give the high school student > someone they could relate too, but could help to communicate to the guide > the need to verbally explain what is going on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Aziza C > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > Angela, > Only one addition to your idea. Their are programs that take field trips > with students to colleges, I went on one with my AVID program, this college > prep program at my school as a Freshman. Maybe college blind students could > make filed trip tours less of a bore? I personally got nothing out of the > tour because the guide stood in the middle, pointed at things, told us what > was waht, and sent us to go get food. > Aziza > > On 5/13/09, Rania wrote: >> I think that is a wonderful idea! >> Rania, >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Angela fowler" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> >>>I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are >>>talking about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled >>>by the individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states >>>to put something like this together? >>> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >>>plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and >>>universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >>> Then >>> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them >>>some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to >>>participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a database >>>of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we market, market, >>>market the program to high school juniors and seniors throughout the >>>state. When high schoolers are in need of a mentor, they contact us, >>>we pair them with someone, and then follow up with both parties to >>>make sure all is going well. >>> What do you guys think? >>> Angela >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Liz Bottner >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way >>> that I can. >>> >>> Liz >>> >>> email: >>> liz.bottner at gmail.com >>> Visit my livejournal: >>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: >>> http://twitter.com/lizbot >>> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the >>> March for Independence: >>> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830 >>> &pg=tea >>> m&fr_id=1050 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syi >>> x.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingnco >> lor%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu May 14 20:45:13 2009 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:45:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica> <7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> <48241634ABD44F6EB0CA4DC358755E74@Dezman> Message-ID: My mom has a one of those parking sticker. She uses it all the time when I am in the car. I personally love them. They let me and my mom get easy access to parking spots. Sincerely, Nathan On 5/14/09, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a handicapped > plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the > time in Massachusettes. > > Maybe other states are different? > > Jen > > Shop my AVON online store > http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com > > Get healthy! > http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com > > Contact me: > > Jennifer Aberdeen > PO Box 1184 > Woonsocket, RI 02895 > 401-762-3258 (home) > 401-644-5607 (cell) > freespirit328 at gmail.com > SKYPE: J.Aberdeen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Oh ok. That makes sense. > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting >> a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. >> Jess >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dezman Jackson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >> Jess, >> Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she >> comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? >> >> Dezman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jess" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> Dezman, >>> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >>> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >>> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >>> Mall or whatever. >>> Jessica >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> @Virginia Tech >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>>> >>>> >>>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>>> >>>>> Dezman >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From davidb521 at gmail.com Thu May 14 21:16:52 2009 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:16:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Message-ID: <4a0c8a47.0a025a0a.45a9.7a84@mx.google.com> I personally believe that blind people who have no secondary disabilities should use handicap parking stickers. In my opinion, those stickers are for people who really may need them, such as someone on crutches. Those are just my thoughts. David -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Aberdeen Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a handicapped plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the time in Massachusettes. Maybe other states are different? Jen Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com Get healthy! http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com Contact me: Jennifer Aberdeen PO Box 1184 Woonsocket, RI 02895 401-762-3258 (home) 401-644-5607 (cell) freespirit328 at gmail.com SKYPE: J.Aberdeen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Oh ok. That makes sense. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >> Mall or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>> >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu May 14 21:31:14 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:31:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: Message-ID: <006e01c9d4db$4fcb7530$0201a8c0@Serene> Hi Dezman I don't have a handicap parking sticker and think blind people shouldn't use them, simply cuz we're blind. Besides the fact that we don't really need them, we'd be taking valuable parking spaces from those people who truely need them. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on > these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have you > ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > > Dezman > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 22:36:59 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 15:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] high school out reach Message-ID: <614565.69635.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Angela, You make it sound so simple ! (grin) Your plan makes sense, except I disagree with you on making it a state thing. What if a high schooler from North Dakota wanted to go check out USC? Now do you see the value of a national program? One solution may be to combine individual state databases into a larger national database. I am really suprised, I did not think my idea would have generated so much interest. I am excited for the possibilities... Jim     "Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. Then we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are in need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well.     What do you guys think? Angela" Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From jonte711 at gmail.com Thu May 14 23:00:14 2009 From: jonte711 at gmail.com (jonte) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:00:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Message-ID: <4a0ca184.1d1e640a.4bba.0ea8@mx.google.com> I am not trying to be rude or insulting, but handicap is spelled h-a-n-d-i-c-a-p. Jonte -----Original Message----- From: David Bouchard Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking I personally believe that blind people who have no secondary disabilities should use handicap parking stickers. In my opinion, those stickers are for people who really may need them, such as someone on crutches. Those are just my thoughts. David -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Aberdeen Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a handicapped plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the time in Massachusettes. Maybe other states are different? Jen Shop my AVON online store http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com Get healthy! http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com Contact me: Jennifer Aberdeen PO Box 1184 Woonsocket, RI 02895 401-762-3258 (home) 401-644-5607 (cell) freespirit328 at gmail.com SKYPE: J.Aberdeen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Oh ok. That makes sense. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jess" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > Dezman, > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > Jess > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Jess, > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >> Mall or whatever. >> Jessica >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>> >>> Patrick >>> @Virginia Tech >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>> >>>> Dezman >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jonte711%40gmail.com From jim275_2 at yahoo.com Thu May 14 23:22:59 2009 From: jim275_2 at yahoo.com (Jim Reed) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking Message-ID: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hello, if you got a handicap pass, use it when its conveniient. Consider it a "perk" of being blind; (there aren't many). I think of it like the free disability pass for getting into national parks. There is no reason I cant pay my own way into the parks ($25 for 7 days, or $50 for a year), but if the government wants to help me save money on vacation, who am I to say no? Jim Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Thu May 14 23:23:31 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:23:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] high school out reach In-Reply-To: <614565.69635.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <614565.69635.qm@web65703.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <34A58A5C7BFF45C58F40685221A57314@Jessica> Jim and all, I wish that something like this was around 10 years ago when I was in high school . I didn't have much of way to do research about the two different Blindness Organizations. I was involved with The National Alliance of Blind Students which is the student Affiliate for The American Council for the Blind. Up until about a year or so ago I was involved with the local ACB chapter in Albany New York but felt a bit out of place because I was only one of three young adults in the group a big majority of this chapter were people old enough to be my parents. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: ; "NABS mail list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:36 PM Subject: [nabs-l] high school out reach Angela, You make it sound so simple ! (grin) Your plan makes sense, except I disagree with you on making it a state thing. What if a high schooler from North Dakota wanted to go check out USC? Now do you see the value of a national program? One solution may be to combine individual state databases into a larger national database. I am really suprised, I did not think my idea would have generated so much interest. I am excited for the possibilities... Jim "Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. Then we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are in need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. What do you guys think? Angela" Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." Homer: "Okay, I will!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From bjsexton at comcast.net Thu May 14 23:25:18 2009 From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton Jr.) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 16:25:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] $10, 000 Google Lime Scholarship for Students with Disabilities Message-ID: The following sounds like a good opportunity for anyone who is in a computer related field. Sincerely, B.J. Google Lime Scholarship for Students with Disabilities Access to knowledge is Google's thing. When it comes to higher education for promising scholars, they don't want anything to stand in the way. 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Eligibility Requirements Candidates must be: * A student entering their junior or senior year of undergraduate study or be enrolled in a graduate program in the 2009-2010 academic year at a university in the United States or Canada (in addition to US and Canada citizens, international students with disabilities studying at universities in the US or Canada are also encouraged to apply) * Enrolled in a Computer Science or Computer Engineering program, or a closely related technical field as a full-time student for the 2009-2010 academic year * A person with a disability (defined as someone who has, or considers themselves to have, a long-term, or recurring, issue that impacts one or more activities that others may consider a daily function); this definition also includes the perception among others that a disability exists. We know that many disabilities are "invisible," and candidates do not have to be registered with disability services on campus to apply For more information, and to apply, go to www.limeconnect.com, and don't delay - applications must be received by June 1, 2009. From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Fri May 15 00:18:02 2009 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:18:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: <4a0ca184.1d1e640a.4bba.0ea8@mx.google.com> References: <4a0ca184.1d1e640a.4bba.0ea8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <63af025c0905141718k3fac9299s5238539ca4019961@mail.gmail.com> I can understand a parent getting a handicap parking sticker for their blind toddler. It's a bit harder to tell a blind little one with little or no mobility training where it is safe to stand while mom loads the groceries into the car or unloads the beach blankets or what ever the case may be. My parents had one for me because they liked having the extra space available so I didn't accidently wander into another parking space as someone was quickly pulling in. I can see why a parent would want that, but then on the other side of the coin, the risk is no greater than it would be for a sighted toddler who happens to be very good at not doing what they're told and standing close to the car. As for older children or adults, I don't really see any reason why one would be necessary save for very poor mobility, but the answer to that is to seek training, not take a parking space away from someone who possibly drives with hand breaks and has to load themselves in and out of a wheel chair every time they go somewhere. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:00 PM, jonte wrote: > > I am not trying to be rude or insulting, but handicap is spelled > h-a-n-d-i-c-a-p. > > > Jonte > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Bouchard > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > I personally believe that blind people who have no secondary disabilities > should use handicap parking stickers. In my opinion, those stickers are for > people who really may need them, such as someone on crutches. Those are just > my thoughts. > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Aberdeen > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a > handicapped > plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the > time in Massachusettes. > > Maybe other states are different? > > Jen > > Shop my AVON online store > http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com > > Get healthy! > http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com > > Contact me: > > Jennifer Aberdeen > PO Box 1184 > Woonsocket, RI 02895 > 401-762-3258 (home) > 401-644-5607 (cell) > freespirit328 at gmail.com > SKYPE: J.Aberdeen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Oh ok. That makes sense. > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > Dezman, > > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > > Jess > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dezman Jackson" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > > > Jess, > > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > > > Dezman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jess" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > > >> Dezman, > >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. > >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get > >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the > >> Mall or whatever. > >> Jessica > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use > >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly > >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available > >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a > >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. > >>> > >>> Patrick > >>> @Virginia Tech > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > >>> > >>> > >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts > >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? > >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > >>>> > >>>> Dezman > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jonte711%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Fri May 15 00:32:05 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:32:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have been pressured before, but have always resisted. I can walk fine, and don't want to take a space from someone who may have less options then I. Dave At 03:37 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your >thoughts on these, excluding those who have secondary physical >disabilities? Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > >Dezman >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4077 (20090514) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri May 15 00:38:33 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:38:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking In-Reply-To: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim: The other side of this is that if society thinks we need special treatment, perks etc., then it isn't going to treat us as equals. If we are regarded as a group that needs to be taken care of, needs special breaks etc. then we won't get equal chances at jobs. Dave At 06:22 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: >Hello, >if you got a handicap pass, use it when its conveniient. Consider it >a "perk" of being blind; (there aren't many). > >I think of it like the free disability pass for getting into >national parks. There is no reason I cant pay my own way into the >parks ($25 for 7 days, or $50 for a year), but if the government >wants to help me save money on vacation, who am I to say no? > >Jim > >Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4077 (20090514) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com Fri May 15 01:46:30 2009 From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:46:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I will say that if you are in high school and your mom picks you up they are nice because your parent or whoever can just say "I'm parked in the handicapped spot" and you can come out and know exactly where to find them and hop in. My mom did that sometimes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Nathan Clark Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking My mom has a one of those parking sticker. She uses it all the time when I am in the car. I personally love them. They let me and my mom get easy access to parking spots. Sincerely, Nathan On 5/14/09, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a handicapped > plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the > time in Massachusettes. > > Maybe other states are different? > > Jen > > Shop my AVON online store > http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com > > Get healthy! > http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com > > Contact me: > > Jennifer Aberdeen > PO Box 1184 > Woonsocket, RI 02895 > 401-762-3258 (home) > 401-644-5607 (cell) > freespirit328 at gmail.com > SKYPE: J.Aberdeen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Oh ok. That makes sense. > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting >> a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. >> Jess >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dezman Jackson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >> Jess, >> Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she >> comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? >> >> Dezman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jess" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> Dezman, >>> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >>> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >>> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >>> Mall or whatever. >>> Jessica >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> @Virginia Tech >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>>> >>>> >>>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>>> >>>>> Dezman >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gma il.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan %40gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gma il.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmai l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu ltants.com From anna.parker.11 at gmail.com Fri May 15 02:02:00 2009 From: anna.parker.11 at gmail.com (anna parker) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:02:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking In-Reply-To: References: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: i have to say a disagree with with blind people having handy cap stickers. I see both sides of it but if we want to be treated like everyone else, then we should act like everyone else. Also those spots are for people who really need we shouldnt be taking up them up for people who really need them. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 7:38 PM, David Andrews wrote: > Jim: > > The other side of this is that if society thinks we need special treatment, > perks etc., then it isn't going to treat us as equals. If we are regarded > as a group that needs to be taken care of, needs special breaks etc. then we > won't get equal chances at jobs. > > Dave > > At 06:22 PM 5/14/2009, you wrote: > >> Hello, >> if you got a handicap pass, use it when its conveniient. Consider it a >> "perk" of being blind; (there aren't many). >> >> I think of it like the free disability pass for getting into national >> parks. There is no reason I cant pay my own way into the parks ($25 for 7 >> days, or $50 for a year), but if the government wants to help me save money >> on vacation, who am I to say no? >> >> Jim >> >> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4077 (20090514) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anna.parker.11%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri May 15 03:12:17 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:12:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking In-Reply-To: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090515031217.GC7877@yumi.bluecherry.net> This "perk" takes a limited resource from people who are denied the ability to go where we are because we're in the place set aside for them. This problem has come up where there just was no place to unload a wheelchair, and that just means people in chairs can't be there. Some perk, eh? Joseph On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 04:22:59PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: >Hello, >if you got a handicap pass, use it when its conveniient. Consider it a "perk" of being blind; (there aren't many). > >I think of it like the free disability pass for getting into national parks. There is no reason I cant pay my own way into the parks ($25 for 7 days, or $50 for a year), but if the government wants to help me save money on vacation, who am I to say no? > >Jim > >Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com Fri May 15 03:12:45 2009 From: goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com (Kathy Nimmer) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:12:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Service Dog Book Project Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: David Andrews Book About Service Dogs Needs Your Stories Let your voice be heard! Kathy Nimmer, a blind high school English teacher and writer from Indiana, has launched an international effort to gather true stories of people with disabilities and their service dogs, to be included in an anthology that Nimmer will seek to publish in the mass market commercial publishing industry. The project, entitled "Two Plus Four Equals One," will celebrate what happens when two hands plus four paws combine for one magical union. The web site, http://www.servicedogstories.com, has been set up to promote the project, receive prospective submissions, gather contact info from individuals who have worked with service dogs in any capacity, and field inquiries about the book. Nimmer, now working with her third guide dog, wants to hear from you. Start thinking of incidents involving you and your dogs, things that were funny, scary, surprising, disappointing, empowering, sad, or simply memorable. The book will include nonfiction stories, anecdotes, tributes, and poetry. Explanations and samples of the four genres can be found on the web site. And, you don't have to be a seasoned writer to take part! There is an interview option where Nimmer will talk with you and write something for you about your dog experiences. Submissions will be accepted for consideration through September 30, 2009. For purposes of this project, "service dogs" are any canines trained to assist people with disabilities, including those who are blind, deaf, or in wheelchairs, as well as those with other medical conditions including (but not limited to) autism, epilepsy, and muscular or balance impairments. Nimmer is hoping to hear from people with disabilities, as well as those who have raised or trained service dogs, or simply witnessed service dogs in action. If you fit into any of these categories, it is time to let your voice be heard! As members of the disability community, you are the best resources for the dissemination of information about this book that Nimmer is hoping will change public perceptions of the disabled and their working dogs, so spread the word! Go to http://www.servicedogstories.com or contact Kathy Nimmer with questions or suggestions at kathy at servicedogstories.com Kathy Nimmer: Teacher, Author, Motivational Speaker http://guidedogjourney.livejournal.com Even if the shadows of the valley hide your view, You still must believe in the mountains. From hnj711 at gmail.com Fri May 15 03:27:00 2009 From: hnj711 at gmail.com (Hannah Jones) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:27:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reintroduction Message-ID: Hello I have been on this list for a long time, but i have not talked for a long time, and my email has changed, my name is Hannah, and i am currently enrolled in community college in Texas studying to be a teacher of the blind, and am legally blind myself. Thank you very much. From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Fri May 15 04:51:08 2009 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:51:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking In-Reply-To: <20090515031217.GC7877@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <20090515031217.GC7877@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <63af025c0905142151k3578df5ag9ce8f8b30ec466f1@mail.gmail.com> Well said, Joseph On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > This "perk" takes a limited resource from people who are denied the ability > to go where we are because we're in the place set aside for them. This > problem has come up where there just was no place to unload a wheelchair, > and that just means people in chairs can't be there. Some perk, eh? > > Joseph > > > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 04:22:59PM -0700, Jim Reed wrote: > >> Hello, if you got a handicap pass, use it when its conveniient. Consider >> it a "perk" of being blind; (there aren't many). >> I think of it like the free disability pass for getting into national >> parks. There is no reason I cant pay my own way into the parks ($25 for 7 >> days, or $50 for a year), but if the government wants to help me save money >> on vacation, who am I to say no? >> Jim >> >> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." Homer: "Oh, that sounds >> too complicated." Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From iamantonio at cox.net Fri May 15 04:54:48 2009 From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 00:54:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? References: <153930.14592.qm@web65709.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><20090513171824.GO97564@yumi.bluecherry.net> <632092010905131025i292fa933v464c9dbff0fe42ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Aziza, Robots can virtually "see" by sending light, movement, and whatever else. Not knowing much about nasa's work, I would venture in saying that most of the really important work is at least directed by a human. Blind people are also capable people. This opens up opportunities, including in science. And some scientists are astronauts, though a small minority. Can a blind person do a space walk, and conduct repair into equipment she or he may not be familiar with? Probably not. But can a blind person take active part in space research, even in a shuttle mission? Very likely. I would want to see an astronaut's job description, and a broad range of mission goals and objectives before I decided that I, or anyone on this list aught to be working out in space, just for the sake of it. If we ever see a blind astronaut, she or he will need to be in that position because they are good at it, and passionate about it, not because our organization decides to put a blind person into space just to prove a point. I am not saying that we shouldn't be searching for that skillful and inthuziastic blind person who is a good fit for NASA. Launching the coin into space symbolizes our will to reach for what is currently beyond our grasp. Literacy is a basic right, and for many, it is beyond there grasp. Launching the coin into space was in some way a way to publicize the coin, and the programs it will support. It is also a statement about how far we are willing to go as blind people. One thing that confused me is why we would release this thing into space, thus creating daybree, but from following braille literacy on twitter, I gathered that the coin was indeed launched into space inside the shuddle, and will be returning safely to earth. Antonio Guimaraes If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary works in Braille. Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you. http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza C" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space relivant? >I had never thought about blind people not being astronots... Now that > I think about it though, considering they can send robots into space, > why can't we go? I mean, the robot doesn't really see anything, it > just senses things and stores information... My guess is that blind > people could sense somethings missed, and with the technology NASA has > it shouldn't be that dangerous, I mean... besides the normal dangers. > > Also, does anyone know if their are any blind people working for NASA > at all? Anywhere? > > I agree with Jim, I don't see the point in sending our coins into > space, although I do think it's kind of cool. > Aziza > > On 5/13/09, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> That's fine, but I've wanted to be an astronaut since I was eight >> years old, and cane users still need not apply. >> >> Joseph >> >> On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:00:31AM -0400, Kristina Constant wrote: >>> Hi, My best guess is that through braille literacy children can aspire >>> to >>> do whatever they want in life including working for nasa or doing other >>> science or math careers. Kristina Constant >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" >>> To: "NABS mail list" >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:31 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] How is sending Louis Brallie coins into space >>> relivant? >>> >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> I don't get why those coins were sent into space. Usually symbolic >>>> gestures (such as shooting a coin into space) are somehow related to >>>> the organization or its mission. I really dont see the connection >>>> between Loius Braille, braille, the NFB, NASA, or space. >>>> >>>> Am I missing something? >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." >>>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." >>>> Homer: "Okay, I will!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kconstan%40student.umass.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net From sarah at growingstrong.org Fri May 15 09:50:46 2009 From: sarah at growingstrong.org (Sarah J. Blake) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 05:50:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking References: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><20090515031217.GC7877@yumi.bluecherry.net> <63af025c0905142151k3578df5ag9ce8f8b30ec466f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DC8C67DA6584648B6DC741E0AD6681F@TINYLAPTOP> Most often I find that the handicapped parking placard seems to be viewed as a "perk" for lazy drivers who veel "overwhelmed" by the prospect of accompanying me across a parking lot and are not comfortable trusting me to make my own judgments. However, I do use it when I am unloading bulky blindness-related equipment. This rarely happens now; but ten years ago I used to make regular trips to a research library and haul my Reading Edge with me to spend the day scanning journal articles. The machine weighed 30 pounds. I unloaded it from the trunk and rolled it in on a luggage cart. That was a time when the handicapped spots did come in handy, in large part because I could roll my machine inside without damaging it. I will also say that in the case where a blind person (such as myself) has additional disabilities that do cause difficulty with walking long distances, it can be easier for the public to accept the idea that a blind person needs the placard than to get their mind around the idea that a person who appears to have no physical problems might need it. After experiencing rheumatoid arthritis and moderate asthma, I am a lot more willing to suspend my judgments when I hear people talking about someone who doesn't look like they need the spot. Sarah J. Blake Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org http://www.growingstrong.org I'm protected by SpamBrave http://www.spambrave.com/ From davidb521 at gmail.com Fri May 15 12:50:34 2009 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 07:50:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Message-ID: <4a0d651c.2204be0a.7eaa.ffffcb1a@mx.google.com> There's also the problem of parents using the stickers for their own benefit, even when I'm not in the car, like my mother sometimes does. David -----Original Message----- From: Rachel Becker Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking I will say that if you are in high school and your mom picks you up they are nice because your parent or whoever can just say "I'm parked in the handicapped spot" and you can come out and know exactly where to find them and hop in. My mom did that sometimes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Nathan Clark Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking My mom has a one of those parking sticker. She uses it all the time when I am in the car. I personally love them. They let me and my mom get easy access to parking spots. Sincerely, Nathan On 5/14/09, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > Just thinking out loud here....I live in Rhode Island and have a handicapped > plaque for Rhode Island, but I can use it out of state. I use it all the > time in Massachusettes. > > Maybe other states are different? > > Jen > > Shop my AVON online store > http://jaberdeen.avonrepresentative.com > > Get healthy! > http://jaberdeen.qhealthbeauty.com > > Contact me: > > Jennifer Aberdeen > PO Box 1184 > Woonsocket, RI 02895 > 401-762-3258 (home) > 401-644-5607 (cell) > freespirit328 at gmail.com > SKYPE: J.Aberdeen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > Oh ok. That makes sense. > > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Dezman, >> She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting >> a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. >> Jess >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dezman Jackson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >> Jess, >> Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she >> comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? >> >> Dezman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jess" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >> >> >>> Dezman, >>> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. >>> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get >>> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the >>> Mall or whatever. >>> Jessica >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use >>>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly >>>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available >>>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a >>>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> @Virginia Tech >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dezman Jackson" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking >>>> >>>> >>>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts >>>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? >>>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >>>>> >>>>> Dezman >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gma il.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan %40gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gma il.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmai l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu ltants.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com From wolvessarah at hotmail.com Fri May 15 14:20:43 2009 From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:20:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking In-Reply-To: <9730A1FB378D4435BB870F85323D1D03@D6RYFF31> References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica><7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> <9730A1FB378D4435BB870F85323D1D03@D6RYFF31> Message-ID: Hi guys, At least for Wisconsin, being blind does not qualify for a sticker. I was trying to get one mainly to give my dad who's had a stroke and has problems walking. When I told her I was blind the ladie told me that it is not acceptable to recieve one. I never used one before until my grandfather took ill and we used his car to go see him. We used it in the parking lots and like most people on here my family enjoyed it. I remember circling a parking lot once and them trying to find a handicapped space. I finally said if they're short on handicapped spaces then let's not take one because WE ALL can walk and someone else might not be able to or cause them pain. My opinion is why take a space that's reserved for someone who needs it. Being blind doesn't make us slow walkers, or have it hurt trying to walk 20 feet to the store. I prefer to leave that accomidation to the people who need it. If I take their spot and there aren't any left that would be really wrong. Those are just my thoughts and I know that there are blind people with more than one condition. Sarah > From: jdraichle at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:27:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > Jess: > Your mom should be able to use the handicap sticker she has anywhere. > Now for my two cents... When I first got the handicap sticker, I felt > the same way many of you do; I got it mainly because my parents are lazy > and wanted to use it to get parking close...I couldn't care less about > having to walk like everyone else! Since I got a dog, though, I have found > it does help sometimes so I have plenty of room to not be afraid of hitting > the car next to us when getting out and tgetting my dog out. I have not had > one for nearly a year, though, and have found that, the vast majority of the > time, it is just fine. My mom keeps wanting me to get it renewed so she > doesn't have to walk so far. She's a whole other story, though! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > Dezman, > > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on getting > > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > > Jess > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dezman Jackson" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > > > Jess, > > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > > > Dezman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jess" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > > >> Dezman, > >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his usage. > >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get > >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the > >> Mall or whatever. > >> Jessica > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use > >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly > >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available > >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a > >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. > >>> > >>> Patrick > >>> @Virginia Tech > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > >>> > >>> > >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts > >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? > >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > >>>> > >>>> Dezman > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jdraichle%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com From fowlers at syix.com Fri May 15 15:09:49 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:09:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] reintroduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hannah, I am in community college in California, also looking to become a rehabilitation teacher of blind adults. I'm not sure what you mean by "teacher of the blind," whether you are referring to adults or children, but I thought I'd introduce myself. Do you know which graduate program you will be attending? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hannah Jones Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:27 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] reintroduction Hello I have been on this list for a long time, but i have not talked for a long time, and my email has changed, my name is Hannah, and i am currently enrolled in community college in Texas studying to be a teacher of the blind, and am legally blind myself. Thank you very much. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From hnj711 at gmail.com Fri May 15 15:33:59 2009 From: hnj711 at gmail.com (Hannah Jones) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:33:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] reintroduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By teacher of the blind i mean i want to teach home economics skills to blind middle school aged children. I am planning to get my masters at steven f austin state university. What about you? On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Hannah Jones wrote: > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Angela fowler wrote: > >> Hannah, I am in community college in California, also looking to become a >> rehabilitation teacher of blind adults. I'm not sure what you mean by >> "teacher of the blind," whether you are referring to adults or children, >> but >> I thought I'd introduce myself. Do you know which graduate program you >> will >> be attending? >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Hannah Jones >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:27 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] reintroduction >> >> Hello >> I have been on this list for a long time, but i have not talked for a long >> time, and my email has changed, my name is Hannah, and i am currently >> enrolled in community college in Texas studying to be a teacher of the >> blind, and am legally blind myself. Thank you very much. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hjones711%40gmail.com >> > > > > -- > god bless > Hannah > From aguimaraes at nbp.org Fri May 15 16:25:10 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:25:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com><4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> Message-ID: <5B936CA0FEC143EEBF72FE4DFBA6C0DF@nbp2.local> Angela, NABS has tried the mentoring thing before, and maybe even still does it for convention attendees. It hasn't historically worked well to my knowledge, because I think, we as an organization don't define mentoring the way that it should be defined, and a program conducted. I will expand on what i mean on a later post, but mentoring is more than here is the mentor, and the mentee/student, you guys go do your thing. there needs to be a defined set of goals and expectations for the mentoring relationship, and you don't mentor someone by sitting next to them at a meeting for one evening. Just my thoughts, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ReadBooks Coordinator National Braille Press 888 965-8965, ext 40. aguimaraes at nbp.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela fowler" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are talking > about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled by the > individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states to put > something like this together? > Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this > plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and > universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. > Then > we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some > incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate > in > the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who > are > willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high > school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are > in > need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then > follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. > What do you guys think? > Angela > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Liz Bottner > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > Hi, > > I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I > can. > > Liz > > email: > liz.bottner at gmail.com > Visit my livejournal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/lizbot > Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the > March > for Independence: > http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea > m&fr_id=1050 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From aguimaraes at nbp.org Fri May 15 16:28:24 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:28:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: Message-ID: <0AD28099C20948308D652125A23981B9@nbp2.local> Patrick, You use the parking plaque when it's convenient, not because you're blind? Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use it > when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly bad. If > the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available the placard > is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a month, having it > gives me ease of mind. > > Patrick > @Virginia Tech > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > >> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts on >> these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? Have >> you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? >> >> Dezman >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Fri May 15 17:03:21 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:03:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <5B936CA0FEC143EEBF72FE4DFBA6C0DF@nbp2.local> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> <5B936CA0FEC143EEBF72FE4DFBA6C0DF@nbp2.local> Message-ID: <632092010905151003y11b095c7hb41ad48a0c434137@mail.gmail.com> Well? If it hasn't worked with NABS, maybe Angela is right. We can start state by state, and designate people to keep in touch with other states in order to make sure out of state students can have an opportunity to meet a mentor. It is understood that a mentor isn't just for one night. And, honestly it isn't that hard to be mentored or mentor. I am seventeen, joined the NFB at fifteen, and the friends I have made are mostly older than me, but I see them as mentors as well as friends. Also, I received a call from one of these friends asking me to be a mentor for a sighted student about blindness. It isn't a very intricate system that needs to be set up. I think we need people willing to do it, a method of keeping in contact, a way to publicize it, and a way to check up on progress. Aziza On 5/15/09, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > Angela, > > NABS has tried the mentoring thing before, and maybe even still does it for > convention attendees. > > It hasn't historically worked well to my knowledge, because I think, we as > an organization don't define mentoring the way that it should be defined, > and a program conducted. > > I will expand on what i mean on a later post, but mentoring is more than > here is the mentor, and the mentee/student, you guys go do your thing. > > there needs to be a defined set of goals and expectations for the mentoring > relationship, and you don't mentor someone by sitting next to them at a > meeting for one evening. > > Just my thoughts, > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > ReadBooks Coordinator > National Braille Press > 888 965-8965, ext 40. > aguimaraes at nbp.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Angela fowler" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach > > >>I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are talking >> about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled by the >> individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states to put >> something like this together? >> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >> plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and >> universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >> Then >> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them some >> incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to participate >> in >> the program. Then we would need to compile a database of the people who >> are >> willing. Once that is done, we market, market, market the program to high >> school juniors and seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are >> in >> need of a mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then >> follow up with both parties to make sure all is going well. >> What do you guys think? >> Angela >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Liz Bottner >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> Hi, >> >> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way that I >> can. >> >> Liz >> >> email: >> liz.bottner at gmail.com >> Visit my livejournal: >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://twitter.com/lizbot >> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the >> March >> for Independence: >> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830&pg=tea >> m&fr_id=1050 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From hope.paulos at maine.edu Fri May 15 17:05:28 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:05:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking References: <1C48C157620149C2BC215CB693EB9290@Jessica><7B4C1ADFE45545B8B4BFEB3A1B986F65@Dezman> <9730A1FB378D4435BB870F85323D1D03@D6RYFF31> Message-ID: <5A473B977FA54BE7B68714472B78DD58@Hope> In Maine, blindness does qualify you for a handicap parking. I have one in my parent's car. It especially comes in handy when we're at the University. We could park right by the building where I had classes. My parents never use it unless I'm in the car. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "sarah baebler" To: Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking Hi guys, At least for Wisconsin, being blind does not qualify for a sticker. I was trying to get one mainly to give my dad who's had a stroke and has problems walking. When I told her I was blind the ladie told me that it is not acceptable to recieve one. I never used one before until my grandfather took ill and we used his car to go see him. We used it in the parking lots and like most people on here my family enjoyed it. I remember circling a parking lot once and them trying to find a handicapped space. I finally said if they're short on handicapped spaces then let's not take one because WE ALL can walk and someone else might not be able to or cause them pain. My opinion is why take a space that's reserved for someone who needs it. Being blind doesn't make us slow walkers, or have it hurt trying to walk 20 feet to the store. I prefer to leave that accomidation to the people who need it. If I take their spot and there aren't any left that would be really wrong. Those are just my thoughts and I know that there are blind people with more than one condition. Sarah > From: jdraichle at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:27:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > Jess: > Your mom should be able to use the handicap sticker she has anywhere. > Now for my two cents... When I first got the handicap sticker, I felt > the same way many of you do; I got it mainly because my parents are lazy > and wanted to use it to get parking close...I couldn't care less about > having to walk like everyone else! Since I got a dog, though, I have > found > it does help sometimes so I have plenty of room to not be afraid of > hitting > the car next to us when getting out and tgetting my dog out. I have not > had > one for nearly a year, though, and have found that, the vast majority of > the > time, it is just fine. My mom keeps wanting me to get it renewed so she > doesn't have to walk so far. She's a whole other story, though! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jess" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:14 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > Dezman, > > She lives in a different state then we do. So, we need to work on > > getting > > a Handicapped Parking Permit for her in New York State. > > Jess > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dezman Jackson" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:55 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > > > Jess, > > Sounds like a good idea. But wouldn't she have one for herself when she > > comes to visit or whatever, anyway? Or am I missing something? > > > > Dezman > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jess" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > > > > > >> Dezman, > >> My fiancée and I need to get one actually not necessarily for his > >> usage. > >> But, his mom has mild Cerebral Palsy and it would be nice for us to get > >> it for her when they come into the City of Albany and want to go to the > >> Mall or whatever. > >> Jessica > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:08 AM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > >> > >> > >>> > >>> I have had a handicapped placard for two years now. I only use > >>> it when it is raining or in places where the parking is particularly > >>> bad. If the weather is good or if there is plenty of parking available > >>> the placard is not used. I doubt I use the placard more than once a > >>> month, having it gives me ease of mind. > >>> > >>> Patrick > >>> @Virginia Tech > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Dezman Jackson" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:37 AM > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] handy cap parking > >>> > >>> > >>>> Do any of you have handycap parking stickers? What are your thoughts > >>>> on these, excluding those who have secondary physical disabilities? > >>>> Have you ever felt pressure from others to get one of these? > >>>> > >>>> Dezman > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pajohns1%40vt.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jdraichle%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wolvessarah%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Fri May 15 17:14:48 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:14:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking References: <905490.55884.qm@web65707.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A8E8A1E9F9542BD9D6182C82C1A36A3@YOUR314E04A90B> I feel that by using handicap parking passes we as blind people are projecting an air of helplessness. I believe that by using the parking passes, blind people are encouraging stereotypes. Blind people can walk just fine unless they have some other condition prohibiting them in which case it would be alright. However if you are blind and that is it, then using the parking pass is pure laziness. Furthermore, we would be taking the parking place away from someone who really needs it. So my conclusion is that blind people who use parking passes do so as a means to support their laziness, and should be ashamed of themselves, for giving blind people and the NFB a bad name. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Reed" To: "NABS mail list" Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:22 PM Subject: [nabs-l] handicap parking > Hello, > if you got a handicap pass, use it when its conveniient. Consider it a > "perk" of being blind; (there aren't many). > > I think of it like the free disability pass for getting into national > parks. There is no reason I cant pay my own way into the parks ($25 for 7 > days, or $50 for a year), but if the government wants to help me save > money on vacation, who am I to say no? > > Jim > > Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated." > Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology." > Homer: "Okay, I will!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri May 15 17:24:22 2009 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 03:24:22 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: <423e6e460905141246x275c8a0ao33e872b1fa2834df@mail.gmail.com> References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com> <4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com> <88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab> <000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <632092010905131533o3fc1617dv9af36c1c621ec77a@mail.gmail.com> <423e6e460905141246x275c8a0ao33e872b1fa2834df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I also think this is an excellent idea, and definitely something that can be worked out on a state-by-state basis and with your local colleges and universities. It's something you can easily pitch to the DSS office at your local school, who can help match mentors up with students. Do you guys think that the national NABS would be helpful in this endeavor and if so, in what way? For example, if the national NABS were to provide a small grant to state divisions who want to start mentoring programs, how would you envision spending this money? Are there other ways that the NABS regional reps could assist your state divisions in making these programs happen? This is just brainstorming--nothing formal yet, but these are things the next NABS board will definitely consider. Arielle Silverman First Vice-President, NABS On 5/15/09, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This sounds like a great idea. I think that the best way to accomplish > this though is by approaching your state student division boards. You > can do this by requesting a slot on the agenda at either a board or > member meeting. Keep up the great ideas you guys! > > Domonique > > On 5/13/09, Angela fowler wrote: >> Yes, a college-age mentor could not only give the high school student >> someone they could relate too, but could help to communicate to the guide >> the need to verbally explain what is going on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Aziza C >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> Angela, >> Only one addition to your idea. Their are programs that take field trips >> with students to colleges, I went on one with my AVID program, this >> college >> prep program at my school as a Freshman. Maybe college blind students >> could >> make filed trip tours less of a bore? I personally got nothing out of the >> tour because the guide stood in the middle, pointed at things, told us >> what >> was waht, and sent us to go get food. >> Aziza >> >> On 5/13/09, Rania wrote: >>> I think that is a wonderful idea! >>> Rania, >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Angela fowler" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >>> >>> >>>>I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are >>>>talking about. I think, however, that these programs are best handled >>>>by the individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage the states >>>>to put something like this together? >>>> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >>>>plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges and >>>>universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >>>> Then >>>> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering them >>>>some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing to >>>>participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a database >>>>of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we market, market, >>>>market the program to high school juniors and seniors throughout the >>>>state. When high schoolers are in need of a mentor, they contact us, >>>>we pair them with someone, and then follow up with both parties to >>>>make sure all is going well. >>>> What do you guys think? >>>> Angela >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Liz Bottner >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way >>>> that I can. >>>> >>>> Liz >>>> >>>> email: >>>> liz.bottner at gmail.com >>>> Visit my livejournal: >>>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >>>> Follow me on Twitter: >>>> http://twitter.com/lizbot >>>> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in the >>>> March for Independence: >>>> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=2830 >>>> &pg=tea >>>> m&fr_id=1050 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syi >>>> x.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingnco >>> lor%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From fowlers at syix.com Fri May 15 18:04:48 2009 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela fowler) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:04:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] High school outreach In-Reply-To: References: <688763.89173.qm@web65708.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><632092010905131022g6be7b895tc78743dbc35d51ac@mail.gmail.com><4a0b26a4.48c3f10a.7936.ffff9e7c@mx.google.com><88E68284908745B28648D9F81D51B82D@angelab><000901c9d416$bc51db60$2801a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><632092010905131533o3fc1617dv9af36c1c621ec77a@mail.gmail.com><423e6e460905141246x275c8a0ao33e872b1fa2834df@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <381F52ED2883432A923665B658B424C7@angelab> If the NABS offered grants to encourage the individual states to set up a mentoring program it would be a big incentive, particularly these days. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 10:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach Hi all, I also think this is an excellent idea, and definitely something that can be worked out on a state-by-state basis and with your local colleges and universities. It's something you can easily pitch to the DSS office at your local school, who can help match mentors up with students. Do you guys think that the national NABS would be helpful in this endeavor and if so, in what way? For example, if the national NABS were to provide a small grant to state divisions who want to start mentoring programs, how would you envision spending this money? Are there other ways that the NABS regional reps could assist your state divisions in making these programs happen? This is just brainstorming--nothing formal yet, but these are things the next NABS board will definitely consider. Arielle Silverman First Vice-President, NABS On 5/15/09, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This sounds like a great idea. I think that the best way to accomplish > this though is by approaching your state student division boards. You > can do this by requesting a slot on the agenda at either a board or > member meeting. Keep up the great ideas you guys! > > Domonique > > On 5/13/09, Angela fowler wrote: >> Yes, a college-age mentor could not only give the high school student >> someone they could relate too, but could help to communicate to the >> guide the need to verbally explain what is going on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Aziza C >> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 3:33 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >> >> Angela, >> Only one addition to your idea. Their are programs that take field >> trips with students to colleges, I went on one with my AVID program, >> this college prep program at my school as a Freshman. Maybe college >> blind students could make filed trip tours less of a bore? I >> personally got nothing out of the tour because the guide stood in the >> middle, pointed at things, told us what was waht, and sent us to go >> get food. >> Aziza >> >> On 5/13/09, Rania wrote: >>> I think that is a wonderful idea! >>> Rania, >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Angela fowler" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >>> >>> >>>>I love the idea of a mentoring program like the one you guys are >>>>talking about. I think, however, that these programs are best >>>>handled by the individual state divisions. How can NABS encourage >>>>the states to put something like this together? >>>> Just thinking about California, and how we could best enact this >>>>plan. The first thing we would need is a list of all the colleges >>>>and universities in the state, and how many blind students attend each one. >>>> Then >>>> we would have to contact these students and, maybe also offering >>>>them some incentive, determine whether or not they would be willing >>>>to participate in the program. Then we would need to compile a >>>>database of the people who are willing. Once that is done, we >>>>market, market, market the program to high school juniors and >>>>seniors throughout the state. When high schoolers are in need of a >>>>mentor, they contact us, we pair them with someone, and then follow >>>>up with both parties to make sure all is going well. >>>> What do you guys think? >>>> Angela >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Liz Bottner >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 1:00 PM >>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] High school outreach >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I think this is an amazing idea. I'd be willing to help in any way >>>> that I can. >>>> >>>> Liz >>>> >>>> email: >>>> liz.bottner at gmail.com >>>> Visit my livejournal: >>>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >>>> Follow me on Twitter: >>>> http://twitter.com/lizbot >>>> Consider helping blind and visually impaired Delaware students in >>>> the March for Independence: >>>> http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/TR/walk/General?team_id=28 >>>> 30 >>>> &pg=tea >>>> m&fr_id=1050 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40s >>>> yi >>>> x.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail >>>> 04 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingn >>> co >>> lor%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syi >> x.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40 >> gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gm > ail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fowlers%40syix.com From mike at mello.com Fri May 15 18:12:27 2009 From: mike at mello.com (Mike Mello) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:12:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Message-ID: <20090515181232.4736C62FEC5@smtprelay03.hostedemail.com> Kathleen Chase