[nabs-l] locating ACB list

Wed May 20 17:25:32 UTC 2009

Brice,
I'm also on the ACB student list.  If you go to their main website acb.org 
and click on join our discussion lists you'll come up with a list of lists 
to join.  They do not archive their lists.

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brice Smith" <brsmith24 at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] negative traffic

Joseph,

 Does the ACB archive their lists online?

I've googled and looked for them all over the place. I can barely find links 
to sign up for their main list, much less any archives.

I signed up for ACB-L several months ago using my gmail account, and upon 
entering my address into the website the page returned saying that the 
request would need to be aproved by an ACB moderator.

Since then, I haven't noticed any ACB-L messages in my gmail accounts. There 
could be a number of reasons for this; Low traffic? Wrong list? Rejected 
request? No accountability?

I am on the ACB student list. There is very low traffic, though messages --  
when they appear -- are respectful and helpful.

The NFB archives all messages at nfbnet, and indeed the nabs-L archives are 
a nice resource for information, provided one wishes to search them.

Brice
> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:04:56 -0700
> From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] negative traffic
>
> Sarah,
>
> Read the messages yourself. Several on the list describe me as
> insightful, positive, and interested in positive debate.
>
> All I ever did on that list was correct the more blatant
> misrepresentations of the Federation, politely.
>
> Things such as "The NFB hates DVS!" The Federation opposed
> implementation of regulations mandating DVS without consideration of
> what the needs are and the standards should be. We generally support
> described audio because it is useful, and we would encourage
> voluntary adoption. But we also don't want mandatory rules that say
> this thing must be required with haphazard standards and little
> consideration of how to make the content useful.
>
> "The NFB wants us all to be unsafe crossing streets!" The Federation
> opposed universal implementation of "Accessible" Pedestrian Signals
> that involve a loud bird sound emitted at one corner that drowns out
> the sounds of traffic. We go further by saying that such "old style"
> signals are simply dangerous to the blind traveler because they make
> it nearly impossible to hear the traffic patterns upon which a blind
> person makes a safe street crossing.
>
> We have no inherent disagreement with the more modern APS which emits
> sound at each corner when it is being used, at a lower volume matched
> to that of traffic, and provides audible and tactile signaling. We
> recognize that there are intersections at which they are valuable.
> We continue to oppose universal installation on fiscal grounds, but
> have not offered significant objection to installation of these
> signals when intersections are being serviced. That would eventually
> make them universal, but at a greatly reduced cost.
>
> That kind of thing. The blanket, global, and incendiary statement
> got a clear response and interest in discussing the merits of the
> issue with the stated goal of improving our argument's quality, even
> when positions do not change. This is what was met with such hatred.
>
> And it was not only me who was treated this way. You say they treat
> you well. Go over there and let it be known you are affiliated with
> the Federation, and you intend to continue to be. See what happens
> for yourself.
>
> Joseph
>
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 03:50:08PM -0400, Sarah J. Blake wrote:
> > Joseph,
> >
> > Hate mail directed toward you is a different animal from what you
> > originally characteracterized the ACB as being: generally negative. For
> > all I know, your interactions may have prompted negativity toward you. I
> > don't wish to analyze that. My interactions with both organizations
> > include both positive and negative elements, sometimes quite a bit more
> > than others. It is also unfair to judge an organization by behavior on
> > its email lists. Email list membership represents a very small 
> > proportion
> > of the organiztion's members.
> >
> > Sarah J. Blake
> > Personal email: sjblake at growingstrong.org
> > http://www.growingstrong.org
> >
> >
> > I'm protected by SpamBrave
> > http://www.spambrave.com/
>
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