[nabs-l] Employment Seminar Recordings

Sat May 23 01:54:37 UTC 2009

Hello Christopher and listers,

    During our convention general sessions and in some break-out meetings 
microphones are placed in the aisle or a roving microphone is used to 
capture comments and questions from group participants. This can be either a 
standing floor mice, or a wireless microphone a "Runner" can carry around 
the room to allow individuals to address the meeting and to capture the 
audio for the recording. I've heard my share of state conventions where the 
speakers at the podium were recorded beautifully, but members in the 
audience could hardly be heard. For this reason I would recommend the use of 
a mixer and other components to obtain a top-quality recording. You may not 
be cutting an album, but you're recording something for the public to hear. 
It should be the best quality you can get and could result in another blind 
person landing a job.

    On the suggest of equipment the person doing this should be thoroughly 
familiar with every control on their setup, every knob, slider, button, and 
switch on a mixer for example  and how the audio will be effected. I was at 
a state convention where they had trouble calibrating the mixer and other 
equipment. The reverb and other settings were so totally out of wack you'd 
think that the convention hotel was being bombed by terrorists or that 
someone got shot. Add feedback in to the mix and you felt like you were in 
the middle of an episode of Starwars. If you know your equipment's controls 
and how to operate it many of these  problems can be avoided. Once you find 
the right settings for the P.A. system and your equipment and you can save 
these settings your life will be much easier when it  comes time to move the 
sound system as sometimes happens during some affiliate events.

    Anyway I hope this will be helpful and there will be some budding 
recording engineers attending the convention that will eventually find 
meaning employment in their communities as a result of providing this 
service to our affiliates. All the best for a safe and happy holiday 
weekend.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Kchao" <thisischris89 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Employment Seminar Recordings

Hello all,
For all intents and purposes, we're dealing with recording meetings. In
theory, a direct line from the PA system will be adequate in capturing a
clean recording and will eliminate the room ambience one encounters when
using an open microphone to capture audio as is the case with the digital
recorders. Since we're just capturing speech, it really wouldn't even have
to be in stereo. I'm assuming there will be a PA system in use as I gather
these meetings are quite large. In any case, you can still obtain decent
quality while remaining practical. In no way is it absolutely essential to
have a mixer and all of these things. In the case of music recordings, I can
understand having a mixer if one were to have each instrument dumped to a
separate track for post production. It's really not practical for use in
this particular application and just adds unnecessarily to the signal path.
Nowadays, there are entry level audio interfaces that connect via USB or
firewire that still have professional line inputs. Of course, it's not going
to be super clean, but we're not trying to cut an album.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Peter Donahue
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:01 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Employment Seminar Recordings

Hello Antonio and listers,

    But if it's going on a public Web site it needs to be of a high quality.

The information won't benefit anyone if the audio sounds like crap. If
anyone wants to do this for nabs bring the highest-quality digital recorder,

laptop or netbook equipped with audio inputs, a mixer with  microphone and
line-in inputs in order to capture signals from a sound system, and some
microphones and lots of cable to make the necessary interfaces, and do the
job professionally.

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <aguimaraes at nbp.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Employment Seminar Recordings

Anyone who has a good recorder can record any open meeting of the federation
convention. It won't be professional and of adequate quality, but might
still provide some with the information presented in the seminar.

You better have lots of memory, or be able to dump your files onto a laptop
on site, to make room for more and more recording say, on your Olympus
recorder, or stream.

Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.

ReadBooks Coordinator
National Braille Press
888 965-8965, ext 40.
aguimaraes at nbp.org

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Employment Seminar Recordings

> Peter and Jim,
> Its disappointing that the employment seminar will not be recorded.  I do
> understand Jim's frustration.  But I see where Arielle is coming from in
> terms of funding.  NABs did not want to fund it because its an event
> targeted to everyone not just students.
>
> Maybe next year's will be recorded.   For now I second what you said
> Peter. Please make it a priority to
> record the nabs meeting and post it to the division website.  I would
> listen.  I think it will be beneficial for all then.
>
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 1:48 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Employment Seminar Recordings
>
>
>> Hello Jim and listers,
>>
>>    At the end of the day the Employment Committee Chairperson decided
>> that
>> it was best not to record this year's employment workshop. She had no
>> objection to this being done, but felt that it would be better to hold
>> off
>> and make better plans to do this next year. As the NFB Living  History
>> Group
>> gets up and running in a big way we expect to be recording more
>> convention
>> break-out events. Perhaps a better goal is to ensure that this year's
>> NABS
>> meeting is recorded for posting on the division Web Site. Your efforts
>> weren't in vein. We feel that it's best to hold off with this one and
>> make
>> better plans to do it in the future.
>>
>> Peter Donahue
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jim Reed" <jim275_2 at yahoo.com>
>> To: "NABS mail list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:05 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] ACB/NFB
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>> How are we supposed to "walk the walk" when there is so much negitivity
>> coming from NABS leadership regarding this issue (how it wont work)?
>> Specificly, I remember one post (I don't know who sent it) that said
>> something along the lines of "I don't see the harm in trying, but NABS is
>> not (should not) pay for it." Why should I devote my time and energy to
>> this
>> effort when I know it will get shut down when I ask NABS for funding?
>>
>> The same thing happened when I floated the idea of recording the national
>> convention employment seminar. (actually, I thing it was worse. I felt
>> decieved). First, several people in the NABS leadership (including
>> Areielle
>> Silverman) mentioned that they thought it was a good idea that was worthy
>> of
>> being pursued. So, I pursued the idea thinking that I had the support of
>> NABS, then, when it came time for NABS to fund the idea, I get an email
>> from
>> Arielle Silverman saying something along the lines of "sorry, this isn't
>> a
>> NABS event/project, therefore NABS can't/won't fund it." I put alot of
>> time
>> and effort into pursuing that idea, just to find out that when
>> push-comes-to-shove, I really did not have the support of NABS.
>>
>> So, I ask you, why should I invest the time and energy into
>> "walking-the-walk", when I was decieved last time, and clearly NABS has
>> no
>> interest in pursuing a joint convention?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> From: "Dave Wright" <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ending the NFB/ACB feud
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>
>> Good afternoon all,
>> While I've really enjoyed reading all of these messages about finding a
>> way
>> to set aside the differences of both organizations in order to find a
>> common
>> ground on the student level, I'm wondering whether or not if any of the
>> proponents of this idea have taken an active role of setting up a
>> meetting
>> involving students of both organizations on a local level. Since I
>> believe
>> that students should have a choice when it comes to advocacy, I don't
>> mind
>> that there are more than one organization advocating for the rights of
>> blind
>> students. I know how easy it is to talk the talk, but walking the walk
>> and
>> being an active proponent for change is much harder. While the thought of
>> national change is perhaps an idealistic view, lets try first dealing
>> with
>> local change. I know this discussion has leaked over to the ACB listServe
>> and believe both sides have positive feedback to offer.
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> Dave Wright
>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>> Email:
>> dwrigh6 at gmail.com
>> WebPage:
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>
>> Homer Simpson's brain: "Use reverse psychology."
>> Homer: "Oh, that sounds too complicated."
>> Homer's brain: "Okay, don't use reverse psychology."
>> Homer: "Okay, I will!"
>>
>>
>>
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