From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 06:23:08 2009
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 01:23:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
In-Reply-To: <734D81D3C3374288B041805FEC751D9D@sarahcomp>
References: <54d8179e0910301858l3c752dd2ic5e020c20be26b39@mail.gmail.com>
	<734D81D3C3374288B041805FEC751D9D@sarahcomp>
Message-ID: <fba03a170910312323s2f716c60t10c290cc7d1fbb9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm pretty sure they won't be testing you on theory for your audition.
But, they do need to provide music for you to sight read. And
definitely ask if they provide an accompanist, sometimes, if you bring
in sheet music they'll have a staff member play for you. When i
auditioned for music programs that's usually what happened. And i'm
terrible at sight singing myself! But you just need to practice a lot.
Mary

On 10/31/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah I know my theory well. My sight reading  sucks big time wic might be my
> down fall. I can sign sing though if the ting just has notes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Justin Young
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
>
> Hello,
> I'm not sure how Berkeley works cuz I've never auditioned there.  I'm not
> sure what to advise.  I would say possibly first important step is to ask if
> they provide an accompanist.  I say this because ya don't want to show up
> thinking there will be one and their like who will be accompaning for you.
> Do you read music Braille?  Do you know music Theory?  From what I've
> noticed some schools make you take a Theory test, but again, I don't know
> for Berkeley.  I guess overall I would say to contact them and just get a
> sense of what their entrance Music exam is like.  I advise this cuz Berkeley
> is one of the best music schools in the nation and recognized throughout the
> World.  Also, when contacting them I think it would be a good idea to say to
> them you are visually impaired/blind so the accomadations if any can be
> made.
> Hope all of this helps and I wish you great success, Justin Young
>
> On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello I recently got invited  to audition at the berklee school of
>> music and while I'm  excited I need to know if there's anything I
>> should watch out fore. Should I tell  them I'm  blind or should I just
>> walk in  and give it all I've got. Also I don't  have an accompanist
>> yet for my piece. A bit of advice would be good. I have to do this in
> about 3 or 4 months.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> If you want to here a fun classical  music show and some other
>> adventures that might happen, like the surprise track of the week,
>> check out tcjwb on hkc radio  at www.hkcradio.com  every Monday from
>> 9-11 pm eastern
>>
>>
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Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
President Barack Obama


From marrie12 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 17:15:00 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:15:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
In-Reply-To: <fba03a170910312323s2f716c60t10c290cc7d1fbb9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EF26D6CCD24483294C1B28F8328137B@sarahcomp>

Well just in case. It doesn't hurt to be prepaired  eh? I'll contact them on
Monday. I already sent them the email confirming that I wanted to do it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mary Fernandez
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition

I'm pretty sure they won't be testing you on theory for your audition.
But, they do need to provide music for you to sight read. And definitely ask
if they provide an accompanist, sometimes, if you bring in sheet music
they'll have a staff member play for you. When i auditioned for music
programs that's usually what happened. And i'm terrible at sight singing
myself! But you just need to practice a lot.
Mary

On 10/31/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah I know my theory well. My sight reading  sucks big time wic might 
> be my down fall. I can sign sing though if the ting just has notes.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Justin Young
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
>
> Hello,
> I'm not sure how Berkeley works cuz I've never auditioned there.  I'm 
> not sure what to advise.  I would say possibly first important step is 
> to ask if they provide an accompanist.  I say this because ya don't 
> want to show up thinking there will be one and their like who will be
accompaning for you.
> Do you read music Braille?  Do you know music Theory?  From what I've 
> noticed some schools make you take a Theory test, but again, I don't 
> know for Berkeley.  I guess overall I would say to contact them and 
> just get a sense of what their entrance Music exam is like.  I advise 
> this cuz Berkeley is one of the best music schools in the nation and 
> recognized throughout the World.  Also, when contacting them I think 
> it would be a good idea to say to them you are visually impaired/blind 
> so the accomadations if any can be made.
> Hope all of this helps and I wish you great success, Justin Young
>
> On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello I recently got invited  to audition at the berklee school of 
>> music and while I'm  excited I need to know if there's anything I 
>> should watch out fore. Should I tell  them I'm  blind or should I 
>> just walk in  and give it all I've got. Also I don't  have an 
>> accompanist yet for my piece. A bit of advice would be good. I have 
>> to do this in
> about 3 or 4 months.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> If you want to here a fun classical  music show and some other 
>> adventures that might happen, like the surprise track of the week, 
>> check out tcjwb on hkc radio  at www.hkcradio.com  every Monday from
>> 9-11 pm eastern
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>
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Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is
never a given. It must be earned.
President Barack Obama

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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 19:09:27 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:09:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Check Out The New Carrie Underwood Album And More On
	Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <EB97D9F9F3C24652AE12EC56B47470FD@TheDoubleD>

Hello To All!
Join me, Hope from Maine, Joann from Wisconsson, and anyone else who might stop by tonight starting at 7 PM eastern tonight for another edition of The Djd Invasion.
Tonight's show will include
A look at the new album from Carrie Underwood. Hear some tracks from it and see what you think
A mixed bag of oldies, 90's music, and more..
A cash it or trash it track that was released as part of a game for the I-phone
And more...
And of course, it wouldn't be a Djd Invasion show without your comments and interactions by email/msn/aim at the address
live at radio360.us
or when we're not playing songs, the phone/skype lines will be open for you to either dial in at
516-717-4425
or by skype at the address
radio360usa
We'll have a fun first show of November, so to listen, save this email, and at 7 PM eastern time, head on over to
http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml
to join the fun and craziness that is a Djd Invasion show.
Hoping to see you all there!
Best regards,
David Dunphy, Radio360 Station Manager and host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.radio360.us


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From iwilcox at nabslink.org  Sun Nov  1 19:52:48 2009
From: iwilcox at nabslink.org (Isaiah Wilcox)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 14:52:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fundraising Committee Conference Call
Message-ID: <2B2E2F0D-D74C-4F37-8F74-7EA3FC538E09@nabslink.org>

Greetings,
I hope this message finds you in good health.  On behalf of the  
Fundraising Committee of the National Association of Blind Students, I  
would like to invite you to join us on a conference call on Sunday,  
November 8, 2009, at 5:30p eastern time.

Do you have a creative mind?  Are you interested in raising money for  
NABS?  Then this meeting is for you!  The main goal of this meeting is  
to come up with a couple unique fundraising ideas that NABS can use  
this upcoming year to raise money for various purposes.

If you are interested, please R.S.V.P by e-mailing me at iwilcox at nabslink.org 
.  I will reply with the conference call number and pass-code.

Best Regards,
Isaiah Wilcox
Georgia Association. of Blind Students, President
National Association of Blind Students, Board Member
Phone: (678) 568-9527
E-mail: iwilcox at nabslink.org






From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 23:20:04 2009
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 18:20:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
In-Reply-To: <0EF26D6CCD24483294C1B28F8328137B@sarahcomp>
References: <fba03a170910312323s2f716c60t10c290cc7d1fbb9@mail.gmail.com>
	<0EF26D6CCD24483294C1B28F8328137B@sarahcomp>
Message-ID: <fba03a170911011520k4e574aefyaebf5f7a2bcc3148@mail.gmail.com>

Awesome.

On 11/1/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well just in case. It doesn't hurt to be prepaired  eh? I'll contact them on
> Monday. I already sent them the email confirming that I wanted to do it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Mary Fernandez
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
>
> I'm pretty sure they won't be testing you on theory for your audition.
> But, they do need to provide music for you to sight read. And definitely ask
> if they provide an accompanist, sometimes, if you bring in sheet music
> they'll have a staff member play for you. When i auditioned for music
> programs that's usually what happened. And i'm terrible at sight singing
> myself! But you just need to practice a lot.
> Mary
>
> On 10/31/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah I know my theory well. My sight reading  sucks big time wic might
>> be my down fall. I can sign sing though if the ting just has notes.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Justin Young
>> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition
>>
>> Hello,
>> I'm not sure how Berkeley works cuz I've never auditioned there.  I'm
>> not sure what to advise.  I would say possibly first important step is
>> to ask if they provide an accompanist.  I say this because ya don't
>> want to show up thinking there will be one and their like who will be
> accompaning for you.
>> Do you read music Braille?  Do you know music Theory?  From what I've
>> noticed some schools make you take a Theory test, but again, I don't
>> know for Berkeley.  I guess overall I would say to contact them and
>> just get a sense of what their entrance Music exam is like.  I advise
>> this cuz Berkeley is one of the best music schools in the nation and
>> recognized throughout the World.  Also, when contacting them I think
>> it would be a good idea to say to them you are visually impaired/blind
>> so the accomadations if any can be made.
>> Hope all of this helps and I wish you great success, Justin Young
>>
>> On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami <marrie12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello I recently got invited  to audition at the berklee school of
>>> music and while I'm  excited I need to know if there's anything I
>>> should watch out fore. Should I tell  them I'm  blind or should I
>>> just walk in  and give it all I've got. Also I don't  have an
>>> accompanist yet for my piece. A bit of advice would be good. I have
>>> to do this in
>> about 3 or 4 months.
>>>
>>> Take care.
>>>
>>> If you want to here a fun classical  music show and some other
>>> adventures that might happen, like the surprise track of the week,
>>> check out tcjwb on hkc radio  at www.hkcradio.com  every Monday from
>>> 9-11 pm eastern
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>> l
>>> .com
>>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> Emory University 2012
> P.O. Box 123056
> Atlanta Ga.
> 30322
> Phone: 732-857-7004
> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is
> never a given. It must be earned.
> President Barack Obama
>
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Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that
greatness is never a given. It must be earned.
President Barack Obama


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 20:43:18 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:43:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Djd Invasion, Round 2, Airs Tonight On Radio360
Message-ID: <AA983BB2FC704E0786D61C2BCCDC0861@TheDoubleD>

Hi All!
Well, the subject says it all.
After we had so much fun last night on Radio360 with all the conversations, the exchange of stories, etc, The Djd Invasion, just for this week, is returning for Round 2.
While this edition, which will begin at 8 PM eastern tonight, will allow for callers and all the usual things you've come to expect, we will be sure to play some awesome songs, including the highly anticipated review of the new Carrie Underwood album.
As stated above, your calls/messages are always welcome by email/msn/aol instant messengers at the address
live at radio360.us
or when on the mic, you can call up on the phone by dialing
516-717-4425
or by skype at the address
radio360usa
Not sure if I'll be with anyone tonight, so you'll just have to tune in to find out!
At any rate, to listen, save this email, and at 8 PM eastern, head on over to
http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml
to join the fun. Hey, at least if you have chores or homework to do, you'll have some company tonight, right?
Hope to see you there!
Best regards,
David Dunphy, Radio360 Station Manager and host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.radio360.us


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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 20:53:04 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 15:53:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
Message-ID: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>

Hi!
Since accessible sites and how to navigate them comes up here from time to time, was wondering if anyone knows the address to the facebook lite page? Know about the mobile one, but heard there's a lite version that's accessible too, so wanted to give it a try.
Hope someone can help.
>From David


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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 21:05:31 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:05:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
Message-ID: <4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>

Hi all, 

I think it's facebook.lite.com or something similar. 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 21:14:03 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:14:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0911021314t17dfba25s469bfe56ccedadf0@mail.gmail.com>

I personally like the Mobile version better than the Lite version of
Facebook.  I'm a big fan of Mobile because you can see the status
updates, click to comment, and there you go.  But I don't think I like
Facebook Lite that much.
Beth

On 11/2/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
> Since accessible sites and how to navigate them comes up here from time to
> time, was wondering if anyone knows the address to the facebook lite page?
> Know about the mobile one, but heard there's a lite version that's
> accessible too, so wanted to give it a try.
> Hope someone can help.
> >From David
>
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 21:35:35 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:35:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
	<4383d01d0911021314t17dfba25s469bfe56ccedadf0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83696965E12543E1B1C09B39573E5FBC@TheDoubleD>

Do you have the address for it?

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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Mon Nov  2 21:59:39 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:59:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
Message-ID: <15632AB142A34D2DA763D8C66197E703@Hope>

Hi there. The address I got was lite.facebook.com I'm not sure if it's 
right.
Hth
Hope and Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:53 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question


> Hi!
> Since accessible sites and how to navigate them comes up here from time to 
> time, was wondering if anyone knows the address to the facebook lite page? 
> Know about the mobile one, but heard there's a lite version that's 
> accessible too, so wanted to give it a try.
> Hope someone can help.
>>From David
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 22:19:16 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:19:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
	<4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
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Liz, it's the opposite:
http://lite.facebook.com

On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Liz Bottner wrote:

Hi all,

I think it's facebook.lite.com or something similar.

Liz

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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 22:57:10 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:57:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>	<4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
	<06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
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Ah, so it fell into my "or something similar" clause :). Thanks! 

Liz 

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 23:39:29 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:39:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
	<4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
	<06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0911021539s32685b4chb9222f645d8d5a13@mail.gmail.com>

I looked.  It's correct.
Beth

On 11/2/09, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Liz, it's the opposite:
> http://lite.facebook.com
>
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Liz Bottner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think it's facebook.lite.com or something similar.
>
> Liz
>
> email:
> liz.bottner at gmail.com
> Visit my livejournal:
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> Follow me on Twitter:
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Mon Nov  2 23:57:25 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:57:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD><4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
	<06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c101ca5c18$3a657aa0$0401a8c0@Serene>

I love the mobile site, but just cureous, how's the light site different?

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a facebook question


> Liz, it's the opposite:
> http://lite.facebook.com
>
> On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Liz Bottner wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think it's facebook.lite.com or something similar.
>
> Liz
>
> email:
> liz.bottner at gmail.com
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 00:26:20 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:26:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD><4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com><06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0911021539s32685b4chb9222f645d8d5a13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13B200144D434E66913B7EB6F3A07832@TheDoubleD>

Thanks for all the help with this.

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From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 00:58:14 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 16:58:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
Message-ID: <568172.92952.qm@web56106.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

It's m.facebook.com. I have not seen it, but if it's anything like the iPod app, then all u can do is view status, share status, chat, and that's about it. If anyone wants to add me, they can. Just take this yahoo email I sent this from & replace yahoo with gmail. So, you'd have rmlambert1987 at gmail.com. I would love to add anyone on here, as well, if you would like. U can email me off list. Hope that answers yer question, Serena.

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 2, 2009, at 11:57 PM, "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:

I love the mobile site, but just cureous, how's the light site different?

Serena


----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a facebook question


Liz, it's the opposite:
http://lite.facebook.com

On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Liz Bottner wrote:

Hi all,

I think it's facebook.lite.com or something similar.

Liz

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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 00:59:28 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 18:59:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <13B200144D434E66913B7EB6F3A07832@TheDoubleD>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
	<4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
	<06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0911021539s32685b4chb9222f645d8d5a13@mail.gmail.com>
	<13B200144D434E66913B7EB6F3A07832@TheDoubleD>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20911021659q20e3868aq2468e4bcdccff2af@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All:

Can anyone give me the address for the mobile version?
Thanks,
Courtney

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From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 01:21:36 2009
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 19:21:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20911021659q20e3868aq2468e4bcdccff2af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D394DFE284584354A34541736FC69987@TheDoubleD>
	<4aef4998.0603c00a.4326.ffffe7d9@mx.google.com>
	<06FA6AA6-F920-496D-A5CC-077CE4397C11@gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0911021539s32685b4chb9222f645d8d5a13@mail.gmail.com>
	<13B200144D434E66913B7EB6F3A07832@TheDoubleD>
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2009/11/2 Courtney Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>

> Hi All:
>
> Can anyone give me the address for the mobile version?
> Thanks,
> Courtney
>
> On 11/2/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for all the help with this.
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From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 01:24:00 2009
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:24:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
Message-ID: <174814.87224.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Yer welcome (smile)

Sent from my iPod

On Nov 3, 2009, at 12:26 AM, "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for all the help with this.

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From NShaheen at nfb.org  Tue Nov  3 03:09:42 2009
From: NShaheen at nfb.org (Shaheen, Natalie)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:09:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Readers Are Leaders, it's not too late
Message-ID: <auto-000125877861@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Dear Federationists:
Are you still interested in the Braille Readers 
Are Leaders contest?  It’s not too late; 
registration is still open!  Sign up today and start reading!

Important Dates:

·     Reading Period: November 1, 2009-January 4, 2010

·     All contest entries must be submitted before January 22, 2010

If you have any questions please feel free to 
contact me (410-659-9314, extension 2293, or at 
<mailto:Nshaheen at nfb.org>Nshaheen at nfb.org)
Warmest Regards,
Natalie Shaheen


Natalie L. Shaheen, MEd
Education Program Specialist
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
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Phone: (410) 659-9314 x2293
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Tue Nov  3 05:25:42 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 22:25:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs
References: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com><85ff10070910281758r55326989x4afbdac29970415e@mail.gmail.com><AE0D9075113E49198CBA017560CF92CA@Dezman>
	<003901ca58ba$051c9100$0401a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <CA685880FA4346AF9DA18002B5529CC7@melissa>

Serina.
The computer based test has its own voice built-in.
I was able to speed up the voice, and I was also able to edit my Essays as 
well.  There isn't a spell check feature.  You also can't use any kind of 
calculator on the GrE either.
Just so that you know what you are getting into with the test.  However, 
Arielle is correct.  They do provide a book in braille with the diagrams and 
figures in it for the math part.  The computer based test also provides 
descriptions of the figures as well.
Melissa Green
Without Christ I am nothing,  Without me Christ is still God.  It's because 
of Christ I am able to stand!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs


> Desman,
>
> How accessible was the word processing program that was used for the test 
> with Jaws?  My (sighted) brother took the test yesterday and said he isn't 
> too sure how accessible the word processing program would be.  Apparently, 
> it's not MS Word.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dezman Jackson" <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs
>
>
>> Like Arielle, I was able to take the test totally in Braille and dictated 
>> the answers to a scribe. When it came to the essays, I type them on the 
>> computer.  If anything, I would suggest if you know Braille to get at 
>> least the math section in that format.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Dezman
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Arielle Silverman" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs
>>
>>
>>> Hi Serena,
>>>
>>> I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the
>>> accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be
>>> fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille
>>> paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille
>>> and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay
>>> on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe.
>>> They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think
>>> they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the
>>> computer test.
>>>
>>> One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty
>>> level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your
>>> peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely
>>> to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille
>>> test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test.
>>>
>>> When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a
>>> signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I
>>> was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is
>>> the eye exam a new requirement?
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 10/29/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more
>>>> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested
>>>> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for
>>>> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE
>>>> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader
>>>> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You
>>>> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time.
>>>>
>>>> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will
>>>> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual
>>>> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact
>>>> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue.
>>>>
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Jedi
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently?  Did you get the Math
>>>>> and/or verbal sections in Braille?  How did you write the essays? 
>>>>> Were
>>>>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you
>>>>> dictate them  I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities
>>>>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or
>>>>> Braillewriter only to take notes.  I think this is absolutely insane!?
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Serena
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Nov  4 02:34:07 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:34:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB President Marc Maurer to Receive Award from University
 of Notre Dame
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



NFB President Marc Maurer to Receive Award
from University of Notre Dame



Award Honors Maurer's Outstanding Contributions in Public Service



Notre Dame, Indiana (November 2, 2009): The National Federation of 
the Blind (NFB), the largest organization of blind people in the 
United States, today announced that its president, Dr. Marc Maurer, 
will be presented the Rev. John J. Cavanaugh, C.S.C., Award from the 
University of Notre Dame Alumni Association in a ceremony on November 
5.  Maurer, a 1974 graduate from the University of Notre Dame, will 
be honored for outstanding contributions in the field of public service.

Maurer earned his law degree from Indiana University in 1977 and 
began focusing on representing blind individuals in the courts.  A 
member of the Bar in Indiana, Ohio, Iowa, Maryland, and the Bar of 
the Supreme Court, Maurer is one of the most experienced lawyers in 
the field of civil rights and discrimination against the blind.

Maurer has been president of the National Federation of the Blind 
since 1986.  In that capacity, he has joined President George W. Bush 
in the Oval Office in 2001 to celebrate the organization's Everest 
Expedition, and was present for Bush's signing into law the Help 
America Vote Act of 2002.  He has promoted new technology for the 
blind, including the knfbReader Mobile, a revolutionary cell phone 
application that scans and reads aloud most printed material, and the 
prototype vehicle for the Blind Driver Challenge.  He has overseen 
the visionary expansion of the NFB Jernigan Institute, the first 
training and research institute for the blind, led by the blind.  He 
has also previously served as president of the North 
America/Caribbean Region of the World Blind Union.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "I am honored to receive this award from my alma mater.  As 
president of the largest organization of blind people in the United 
States, I have been fortunate to play a role in many exciting and 
life-changing developments for blind people in America.  While we 
have made much progress, there is still more to be done.  Only 10 
percent of blind children are learning Braille in this country, and 
this directly contributes to a 70 percent unemployment rate among 
blind people in the United States.  I humbly accept this award on 
behalf of blind Americans and pledge to work harder than ever to 
ensure that the blind are not left behind in today's society."



"In his role as president of the National Federation of the Blind, 
Marc Maurer continually demonstrates unwavering determination in his 
effort to better the lives of the world's blind through innovative 
technologies and services that support their independence," said 
Charles F. Lennon Jr., executive director of the Notre Dame Alumni 
Association and associate vice president for University 
Relations.  "The Notre Dame Alumni Association is pleased to honor 
Marc for his personal character and outstanding contributions in 
public service.  He is a living example of the integrity and 
generosity of spirit that Notre Dame instills in its graduates.  His 
leadership of the NFB has made the University proud."



For more information about the National Federation of the Blind, 
please visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.



###


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Nov  4 02:40:00 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:40:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: item for sale, Braille Display
Message-ID: <auto-000124847701@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>I have a Handy Tech Braille Star 80 cell Braille display for sale. 
>It's in good condition. Display also can be its own unit for basic 
>processing. Comes with 2 volume braille manual, USB cable and 
>electric cord, software and driver CD and dust cover. Sells new for 
>$15000. I'm asking $3000 or best offer. If interested, please e-mail 
>me at carisuekness at gmail.com or call 608-215-8585.
>Peace,
>Cari Kness
>



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Nov  4 02:49:52 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:49:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF BAR EXAMINERS (NCBE) DISCRIMINATES
 AGAINST BLIND AND LOW VISION LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES
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NEWS 
RELEASE 


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

November 3, 2009





CONTACTS:

Chris Danielsen, Director of Public Relations, NFB, (410) 659-9314, ext. 2330

Scott Labarre, Labarre Law Offices, P.C., (303) 504-5979

Daniel Goldstein, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, (410) 962-1030

Larry Paradis, Disability Rights Advocates, (510) 665-8644





NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF BAR EXAMINERS (NCBE) DISCRIMINATES AGAINST 
BLIND AND LOW VISION LAW SCHOOL GRADUATES



OAKLAND, Calif. - A suit filed today in Federal court alleges that 
The National Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE) discriminates against 
blind and low vision law school graduates. The suit charges that the 
NCBE is violating Title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act 
(ADA) and California's civil rights law by denying accommodations on 
the Multistate Bar Exam (MBE) and the Multistate Professional 
Responsibility Exam (MPRE) to a law school graduate who is blind.



The Plaintiff is represented with the support of the National 
Federation of the Blind ("NFB") by Labarre Law Offices, P.C., in 
Denver, CO, and by Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, in Baltimore, MD. 
The Plaintiff is further represented by Disability Rights Advocates 
(DRA), a non-profit law center that specializes in civil rights cases 
on behalf of persons with disabilities, based in Berkeley, CA.



The NCBE provides standardized examinations for the testing of 
applicants for admission to the practice of law. Two of the tests it 
controls, the Multistate Bar Exam (MBE) and the Multistate 
Professional Responsibility Examination (MPRE) are required for 
admission to the bar by most states. The California Bar examination 
has two sections; a California section and the MBE. Although both 
parts of the exam are administered by the California State Bar, the 
NCBE controls the type of accommodations each state can offer test 
takers with disabilities for the MBE portion of the bar exam.



Even though the California State Bar is a named Defendant in the 
suit, they have offered to provide the Plaintiff with all the 
accommodations she requested for the California section of the bar 
examination. However, the NCBE refuses to allow the California Bar 
Examiners to give the Plaintiff certain of the accommodations that 
she needs on the MBE portion of the bar exam. The California State 
Bar is fulfilling its legal obligation and is only named in the 
complaint as an indispensable party. Plaintiff hopes that the lawsuit 
will convince the NCBE to follow the California State Bar's example 
and provide the requested accommodations on the MBE portion of the bar exam.



The NCBE has also denied Plaintiff the accommodations at issue on the 
MPRE exam.  This is a separate exam that bar applicants need to pass 
to be admitted to practice.  The ACT is also named in the complaint 
since it administers the MPRE examination for NCBE and is thus also 
an indispensable party.



The Plaintiff Stephanie Enyart is a law school graduate who is 
legally blind and requires accommodations to take the MBE and MPRE. 
She has requested to take the exams on a laptop computer equipped 
with screen reading (JAWS) and screen magnification (ZoomText) 
software. Ms. Enyart has relied on this combination of assistive 
technology as an accommodation on her exams throughout law school and 
in her current legal work.



The NCBE has refused to allow Ms. Enyart these reasonable 
accommodations for the MBE and MPRE on several occasions during the 
past years. In recent discussions with Plaintiff's counsel, the NCBE 
has indicated that it will continue to deny Ms. Enyart her requested 
accommodations.  Instead, the NCBE has offered alternative 
accommodations that are not suited to Ms. Enyart's disability and are 
not effective. The NCBE's denials of accommodations are preventing 
Ms. Enyart from obtaining admission to the bar, impeding her career.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind 
(NFB), supporting the lawsuit, said "Too often law students who are 
blind or have low vision have to prolong their prospects for 
licensing while they fight to get the same accommodations they've had 
throughout their educational history. Those that opt to settle for 
inadequate accommodations usually struggle to pass or sometimes do 
not pass at all. Those who control admission to the practice of law 
must obey the law."



Janice Ta, President of the National Association of Law Students with 
Disabilities (NALSWD), which expressed support for the lawsuit, said 
"The legal profession must recognize and be prepared for the spectrum 
of conditions and disabilities that law students have. Testing 
entities need to be open to a wide range of accommodations. But we 
find that time and again they don't seem to understand their 
obligation for providing individualized accommodations and adaptive 
technologies that reflect the way real law students with disabilities 
get tested, study, and make their way around the world."







###

From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Nov  4 03:09:20 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:09:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Announces 2010
 Scholarship Program
Message-ID: <auto-000126059822@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org


National Federation of the Blind Announces 2010 Scholarship Program




Thirty Scholarships Available to College and Postgraduate Students



Baltimore, Maryland (November 3, 2009):  The National Federation of 
the Blind, the oldest and largest organization of blind people in the 
United States, announced today that applications are now being 
accepted for the 2010 National Federation of the Blind Scholarship 
Program.  Thirty scholarships totaling $100,000 will be awarded to 
blind students from the United States and Puerto Rico.  The 
scholarships are available to blind students who will be enrolled in 
college or a graduate program beginning in the fall of 2010, 
including incoming freshmen.  Scholarships range in value from $3,000 
to $12,000.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "The National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program is 
the Federation's way of recognizing outstanding academic achievement 
by blind students and spreading our positive philosophy of blindness 
to these students and to the general public.  Because of the 
collective efforts of blind Americans, blind people today are 
achieving greater academic success and entering fields of study once 
thought closed to the blind, and celebrating their achievements is 
always a highlight of our national convention.  I join the 
Scholarship Committee in inviting every eligible blind student to 
submit an application, and I look forward to meeting the dynamic 
individuals that will make up the 2010 National Federation of the 
Blind scholarship class."



Information on the NFB scholarship program is posted online at 
<http://www.nfb.org/scholarships>www.nfb.org/scholarships.  The 
deadline for applications is March 31, 2010.

Questions may be directed to the NFB Scholarship Committee Chairman, 
Mr. Anil Lewis, by e-mail at 
<mailto:Scholarships at nfb.org>Scholarships at nfb.org, or by phone at 
(410) 659 -9314, extension 2415.


From blind411 at verizon.net  Wed Nov  4 03:22:35 2009
From: blind411 at verizon.net (Marion Gwizdala)
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:22:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Guide Dogs in Hospitals & Other Health Care Facilities
Message-ID: <auto-000124850682@mailfront1.g2host.com>

National Association of Guide Dog Users
National Federation of the Blind

October 27, 2009

Guide Dogs in Hospitals & Other Health Care Facilities

             What are your rights as a guide dog user when visiting 
family or friends in the hospital? As a patient, do you have the 
right to have your dog in the room with you? Are there places or 
conditions in which you can be restricted from being accompanied by 
your guide dog? Can your doctor deny you the right to have your guide 
dog with you in an examination room? Can an ambulance refuse to 
transport your guide dog with you? These questions and many more will 
be answered in an upcoming  special teleseminar.
             The National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU), a 
strong and proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, 
will host "Guide Dogs in Hospitals & Other Health Care Facilities" on 
Sunday, November 22, 2009 at 8:00 p.m. eastern  standard Time (7:00 
pm Central; 6:00 pm Mountain; and 5:00 pm Pacific). This teleseminar 
is absolutely free; however reservations are required. Participation 
is limited and is on a first come first served basis.
             In order to reserve your space in this teleseminar, 
please send your name, city & state, and your email address by 
Friday, November 20, 2009 to
<mailto:President at NFB-NAGDU.ORG>President at NFB-NAGDU.ORG
An email confirmation with the call-in number and access codes will 
be sent to you. Those without email access or who would like more 
information may call 813-626-2789.
             The information provided during this teleseminar is 
intended as informal guidance only and should not be construed as 
legal advice. The National Association of Guide Dog Users, the 
National Federation of the Blind, or any of its affiliates, 
divisions, or chapters will not be responsible for any telephone 
charges or fees that may be incurred as the result of participation 
in this seminar. For more information about the National Association 
of Guide Dog Users, the National Federation of the Blind, or to 
locate a Chapter in your area, you may visit the following websites:

National Association of Guide Dog Users
HTTP://NFB-NAGDU.ORG

National Federation of the Blind
<http://nfb.org/>HTTP://NFB.ORG

The National Federation of the Blind is changing what it means to be blind!
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Wed Nov  4 04:23:52 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:23:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a facebook question
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The address you need for the mobile version is 

http://m.facebook.com


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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
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Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 7:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] a facebook question

Hi All:

Can anyone give me the address for the mobile version?
Thanks,
Courtney

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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 15:43:52 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:43:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
Message-ID: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus>

Hello,

I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products they've
purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to find what
I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the need to
leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in investing
in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with smart
phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry around
for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well it
works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in advance for
your assistance.

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Wed Nov  4 20:01:49 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:01:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] It's time to fix the Free White Cane Program
Message-ID: <20091104200149.4719.55911@web3.serotek.com>

Hello Everyone.

I did some research regarding this issue and here's what I've discovered.

Firstly, the cane supply for the Independence Market and the free cane 
program are two different supplies. The American Action Fund is the 
organization who supplied the canes for the NFB cane program. At first, 
the AAF ordered canes for adults then later added canes for kids. So 
it's not at all impossible for them to order longer canes for taller 
adults. The issue is not a matter of discrimination. This issue is 
that, when the canes were originally ordered, they were ordered 
according to how many people could benefit from the program. At the 
moment, there aren't immediate plans to replenish the free cane supply. 
When the free cane supply is replenished, that would be a better time 
to talk about ordering a few taller canes for people, especially now 
since the bug has been put in the ears of people who matter and can 
make the appropriate decision to get them. Before now, it simply may 
not have occured to anyone to order a few tall canes just as kid canes 
didn't get ordered at first.

While none of this information helps taller people in the immediate 
here and now, it does tell us that taller canes for the free cane 
program can be ordered at some point whenever the AAF funds the next 
order. In the meantime, local chapters and affiliates can buy canes for 
taller people if taller people can't aford them from the Independence Market.

In short, the word has gotten around to the right people such that 
future action can be taken to support taller people in need of free 
canes. In the meantime, don't forget that chapters and affiliates can 
fill in the gaps so that blind folks can get what they need for 
independent travel.

Respectfully,
Jedi Moerke
President
National Federation of the Blind of Washington Student Division
Northwest Chapter of the National federation of the Blind of washington
Original message:

> Greetings,

> For those of you who don't know, the NFB has a free White Cane Program. 
> Through this program, you can get a free white cane every six months. 
> Unfortunately, the free white canes are only available in lengths less 
> than 64 inches. This pretty much excludes everyone over six feet tall 
> from using the Free White Cane Program.

> I just got off the phone with the NFB Independence Market. While I was 
> waiting for my order to go through, I was talking with the lady who 
> works the Market, and she mentioned that the NFB is running low on many 
> of it's cane sizes, and that it would be placing a cane order sometime soon.

> When the NFB buys canes, it buys hundreds of thousands at a time, and 
> it takes many years to sell them. In other words, if we don't convince 
> the NFB to buy longer free white canes now, tall people will continue 
> to be excluded from the Free White Cane Program for at least the next 
> two to four years.

> Tall people deserve the same opportunity to receive a free white cane 
> as everyone else. If you would like to help, you can contact your state 
> affiliate President and ask him or her to contact the NFB and the 
> National Board about this issue, or, you can contact the NFB directly. 
> Their number is 410. 659. 9314.

> I've been told that one possible reason for not offering longer free 
> white canes is because fiberglass canes lose their good properties if 
> they get too long. If this is the case, I suggest the NFB offer tall 
> people a straight carbon fiber cane every six months, or, the NFB 
> should offer tall people a $25 discount on a straight carbon fiber cane 
> (they cost $35).

> In any case, their is no reason tall people should continue to be 
> discriminated against and excluded from the Free White Cane Program; 
> especially since some of the main goals of the NFB are to fight 
> discrimination and exclusion.

> Thank you,

> Jim Reed

> President, Montana Association of Blind Students


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> think about them." -Lee J. Colan

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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov  5 01:09:38 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 19:09:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] System Access Promotional Sale!
Message-ID: <E8CCEAE6F13246A99E58AC90FE2CAAED@yourdd0a3c7a34>

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at no additional charge.

Not in a position to lay out this kind of money for a Braille display at
this time?  That's ok because we have something for you as well.  Purchase
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 02:56:15 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:56:15 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS November Bulletin
Message-ID: <85ff10070911041856k49c4fa02l8f91c60abd60ab4b@mail.gmail.com>

National Association of Blind Students
>From the Desk of the President
November 4, 2009

In This Bulletin:
1.  Washington Seminar Update
2.  2010 NFB Scholarship Application Now Available!
3.  State Division Announcements:
Updates from New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Montana Delaware and Virginia.

1.  Washington Seminar Update:
On Sunday, January 31, 2010, the National Association of Blind
Students will hold its annual all-day seminar in Washington, D.C.
just before the opening of the NFB's annual Washington Seminar.  The
NABS seminar will take place from 10:00 a.m.  to 5:00 p.m.  at the
Holiday Inn Capitol hotel in Washington, D.C.  On Sunday evening we
will conclude our gathering with an informal dinner, mixer and an
auction.
At our NABS board of directors meeting in late November, we will begin
planning the agenda for our seminar.  Generally, the seminar consists
of both speeches and breakout sessions concerning a variety of issues
relevant to blind students.  If there are particular topics that you'd
like to see on the agenda this year, or things we've done in the past
that you liked or didn't like, please let me know before the end of
the month.  Also, if you or someone you know has had an opportunity
this year that you think other blind students might want to know
about, like a job or a trip abroad, tell me that as well!

2010 Scholarship Applications Now Available:
Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty
scholarships to legally blind college and graduate students across the
country.  The scholarship includes a cash award ranging from $3000 to
$12000, plus a free trip to the NFB national convention and often a
piece of assistive technology such as a KNFB Reader Mobile.  The
scholarship application for 2010 is now on the Web at

www.nfb.org/scholarships
Applications are due by March 31, 2010.
Already won a national NFB scholarship? You can apply again and
potentially win a second scholarship, also known as a TenBroek
fellowship.
In addition, many NFB affiliates offer scholarships to blind students.
 You needn't be an active member of the NFB to win.  Contact your NFB
state president for details.  You can find a list of state affiliates
and their contact information at
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/State_and_Local_Organizations.asp
Finally, there are lots of other scholarship resources available to
blind and sighted students alike that are worth examining.  Check out
the "Scholars Hall" section of our website for details.

State Division Announcements:
>From the New Mexico Association of Blind Students:
I am excited to report that the New Mexico Association of Blind
Students had a successful Meet the Blind Month in October! Here are
the events which took place.
1. Disability Awareness day: We had 4 students help out and pass out
NFB Liturature and we also conduced a challenge in wich sighted
peers/staff/faculty from the University are blindfolded and we show
them how to use the cane and sighted guide. That day was a sucess with
at least 30-40 people getting to experience blindness and also getting
some information our organization. The Disability Awareness Day was
held on October 2nd.
2. Benefit nights at restaurants: Our division did a few fundraisers
which are benefit nights in wich we aska  restaurant to donate a
portion of sales to our organization. We passed out flyers to a total
of 5 restaurants and therefore had 5 benefit nights. i do not have
totals yet of how much we raised, but maybe I can let you all know
next month. The benefit nights were held on Oct. 21, Oct. 24, 27, 29,
and 30. We had 3 of them in Roswell NM and 2 in Albuquerque NM.
3. Albuquerque Coin Club: A few of our students participated in
selling the Louis Braille coins at a local coin club show in
Albuquerque on October 10 and 11. As far as I can tell this was a
success.
4. We are also doing some comunity service right now which includes a
clothing drive witha local elementary school.
I hope to have more updates next month.
Thank you,
Tara Sena
New Mexico Association of Blind Students, President

>From Pennsylvania:
The Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students (PABS) will be hosting
a student seminar, in conjunction with the National Federation of the
Blind of Pennsylvania's state convention, on November 13 at the Best
Western Inn and Suites in Harrisburg, PA.

Sincerely,

Alyssa Bates

President (as of November 13)

Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students

>From Montana:
We have been on the move in Montana! First, in October, the Montana
Student Division was officially recognized at the Montana State
convention by the MAB Board, then, a week later we were recognized by
NABS.

At our state convention, MABS held a Louis Braille coin sale
fundraiser. Demand for these coins was incredible! In two days, we
sold 32 coins to a convention with roughly 60 attendees. We also
donated one coin to the MAB to use as a door prize, and we auctioned
off three coins during a live auction. The coin sale gave the Student
Division lots of good publicity, and selling coins gave our students a
great opportunity to meet and greet some of the other members of the
MAB. At this time, we have raised $380 for the NFB's national Braille
literacy campaign.

Next, we have put together a planning committee to begin planning a
college visit program. Ideally, if a blind high schooler wants to
visit a college campus in Montana, we can pair that student with a
blind college student (or recent alumni). We hope to have this program
up and running by summer, 2010.

Last, the Student Division has been asked to help plan and staff Camp
Eureka. Camp Eureka is an NFB sponsored natural science camp. This
year we will be taking 12 blind youth to Freezeout Lake, MT., to watch
the annual Snow geese migration. The youth will get to experience and
scientifically study thousands and thousands of snow geese as they
stop off at Freezeout Lake during their migration. It is worthwhile
noting that Camp Eureka has recruited a wildlife biologist from The
University of Montana, as well as a Snow goose expert who works with
Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks. This project is a great opportunity
for the Student Division. First, it will demonstrate to the MAB that
the Student Division is responsible, and that we can contribute in a
positive way. Additionally, this trip can serve as a recruitment tool
by introducing the next generation of blind students to the MAB and
the Student Division.

Jim Reed
President, Montana Association of Blind Students
*Jim has also sent us a flier about the snowgoose workshop. If you are
interested in seeing it, contact him at
Jim275_2 at yahoo.com

>From Delaware:
Hello NABS Member!

Delaware had their first Student/Career convention this past month. I
feel it turn out pretty well even thou there were ten in our group.
We outreached to all Special Ed. Teachers and Counselors for them to
send their students that were blind or visually impaired (in middle
school threw graduate school) in our state. This was our state’s
BIGGEST convention 40 people in all. Next year I would like see it to
double or triple if we could.  If any of you have ideas how we can
help make our group grow and our convention be bigger your comments
would be greatly appreciated.

We have one month and a half before Entrainment Books are gone till
next year PLEASE help us reach our goal of 161 books. You can get them
through our website, our Entertainment website, or contact Kathryn
Bottner or myself off line. Thank you for all your help and suggestion
in advanced.

Website: www.alanfox. Net/nabsdelaware

Entertainment Book Website:
http://www.fundraising.entertainment.com/esale2.cfm?CI=953897&SI=678037&LI=1

Sincerely Yours,

Catherine Newman

NABS Delaware Division President

>From Virginia:
The Virginia Student Division has had an active last few weeks!

On the weekend of Oct. 23-25, 21 blind high school students from
around Virginia, 2 student mentors, and 9 adult mentors high school
took over the National Center for the Blind in Baltimore for the
weekend! In a follow-up to our similar event two years ago, students
participated in a range of challenge activities—like climbing a ladder
to change a light bulb, operating a chainsaw to cut a log, breaking
boards with their bare hands, and learning the self-defense art of
judo, to name just a few—to build confidence and learn that the only
limits on our potential as blind people are those limits that we place
upon ourselves. With the proper training and opportunity, all of these
activities are easy for anybody, regardless of athletic ability. The
students also heard from the mentors about how they can succeed and
more efficiently use technology.
 Coming up at the NFB of Virginia state convention in Williamsburg,
the students will have an opportunity to learn what Federationists in
Virginia have done to better the lives of the blind over the past
year. The student luncheon on Saturday will emphasize the efficiency
of Braille, the opportunities available at NFB training centers around
the country, and how to better advocate for your needs with your state
rehabilitation counselor. We invite any students or Federationists
interested in attending to contact Student Division President Corbb
O'Connor at
corbbo at gmail.com
. Financial trouble should not be a reason that students do not
attend; we will work to find resources with interested students to
make their trip possible!

Corbb O’Connor, President
Virginia Association of Blind Students


-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Nov  5 10:26:23 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:26:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Kansas NFB Convention to be Streamed Live
Message-ID: <auto-000126263918@mailfront2.g2host.com>



2009 National Federation of the Blind of Kansas

State Convention Broadcast

       This first-ever broadcast of our annual State Convention is 
dedicated to the memory of Dean Stanzel a long-time member of the NFB 
of Kansas and the husband of Susie Stanzel.

Dean was a dedicated Federationist who believed that, whenever 
possible, blind people should take charge of whatever needed to be 
done. Many of you will remember him from the registration line at our 
annual convention. Dean would great you by saying, "I am Dean 
Stanzel. How may I help you?" Then he would take your money, give you 
your banquet ticket and pass your information down to Susie to be 
placed in your badge jacket. This was the Stanzel's convention 
tradition for about 25 years. He envisioned a means by which   to 
take the federation's message of hope to blind individuals, their 
families and blindness professionals in Kansas and beyond.

       In 2002 construction of the National Federation of the Blind 
of Kansas Web Site began. "With assistance from Michael Hanson of 
Nebraska The two designed and constructed the National Federation of 
the Blind of Kansas Web Site. Dean assumed full responsibility for 
its upkeep after initial construction was finished in 2005.

             At about this same time several State NFB Affiliates 
began broadcasting their annual state conventions. Dean's next dream 
was to take the proceedings of the NFB of Kansas State Convention to 
the World via the Internet. He was diagnosed with cancer in 2006. As 
his health gradually failed he was unable to keep up the affiliate's 
Web site. Dean passed away on June 21st 2007 his dream of 
broadcasting the affiliate's annual state convention unrealized.
However, this flame would not be quenched with his passing.

             History is full of examples of individuals who when 
faced with adversity and the possibility of never realizing their 
dreams in their life time called on relatives, friends, and others to 
carry on the work they began to see it to completion. Dean's wife 
Susie, along with members of our Kansas Affiliate sought someone that 
would rise to the occasion to make Dean's dream a reality. Peter 
Donahue of Texas answered the call and rose to the occasion. He is 
well-known for creating dynamic NFB Affiliate Web Sites and other 
information resources on the Internet. Thanks to his dedication to 
the movement and belief in the ability to reach large audiences via 
the Internet the National Federation of the Blind of Kansas is 
pleased to announce its first-ever broadcast of its annual state convention.

       The following convention sessions will be broadcast on 
November 7, and8, and 2009 from Salina Kansas:
Saturday November 7:
9:00-12:00 a.m. Saturday Morning Session;
1:00-5:00 p.m. Saturday Afternoon Session;
7:00-9:00 p.m. Annual Banquet.
9:00-11:00 p.m. Talent Show;

Sunday November 8:
7:00-8:45 a.m. Open worship Service
9:00-12:00 p.m. Sunday Morning Business session.

       The broadcast will also feature special presentations 
describing the work of the NFB and how it is changing what it means 
to be blind when the convention is not in session.

       To hear the broadcast go to:
<http://www.nfbks.org/>http://www.nfbks.org

and select the "Listen" link on the home page. If due to technical 
issues beyond our control or if you are unable to listen to the live 
broadcast archives will be posted shortly after the convention. Visit 
our home page for information concerning their availability and 
broadcast status.



<p>. Feel free to send us your questions for convention presenters. 
We will take questions and phone calls time permitting. Send all 
questions and comments to:

<mailto:convention2009 at nfbks.org>convention2009 at nfbks.org



                 To reach us by phone call: (210) 445-6378. Do not 
call the hotel should you experience technical issues with the 
broadcast. The above phone number is a direct line to individuals who 
will address these concerns.



             This broadcast is made possible by Station Playlist of 
Tauranga New Zealand. StationPlaylist Creator + Studio integrate to 
provide a very affordable and powerful radio broadcasting software 
solution for terrestrial radio and internet streaming / webcasting.
Also suitable for party DJ's and in-store music automation. These 
applications are very accessible with screen reading systems and are 
used by many blind individuals World-wide. For further information visit:

<http://www.stationplaylist.com/>http://www.stationplaylist.com






From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Nov  5 10:52:11 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:52:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB-NEWSLINE Now Available in Arkansas
Message-ID: <auto-000126265254@mailfront2.g2host.com>



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330
(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org




NFB-NEWSLINE® Now Available in Arkansas


Free Service Offers Independent Access to Periodicals
  for Print-Disabled Arkansas Residents



Little Rock, Arkansas (November 4, 2009): The 
National Federation of the Blind announced today 
that NFB-NEWSLINE® is now available to all 
print-disabled Arkansas residents.  NFB-NEWSLINE® 
is a free service that allows those who cannot 
read conventional newsprint due to a physical 
disability to listen to the newspaper over the 
telephone, on the web, or by download to a 
digital talking-book player.  Through the 
service, blind Arkansans can now independently 
access over three hundred newspapers and 
magazines and decide how, when, and where they 
wish to read their favorite publications.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “For many years, 
those unable to read the printed word were barred 
from attaining access to information, which is 
vital to full participation in society and 
affects individuals in all of the roles they play 
in their communities.  The availability of 
NFB-NEWSLINE® truly places the keys of access in 
the hands of all members of the print-disabled 
community.  With these keys, the blind themselves 
can open doors to the world and become aware of 
the matters both large and small that are covered in their daily newspapers.”





Matt Lyles, who serves as president of the 
National Federation of the Blind of Arkansas, is 
excited to have this revolutionary service 
available to him.  “I love knowing what’s going 
on in the world around me, and NFB-NEWSLINE® 
affords me that ability.  Further, I very much 
appreciate that with NFB-NEWSLINE®, blind people 
are not dependent on others to read the news to 
us; instead, we have the same flexibility and 
autonomy that we would with a traditional print 
newspaper.  Finally, the news is not what someone 
else decides is important; rather, NFB-NEWSLINE® 
subscribers get to make the choice of what news is important to them.”



Katy Morris, director of Arkansas Department of 
Human Services, Division of Services for the 
Blind (DSB), said: “We are excited to welcome 
NFB-NEWSLINE® into the family of services 
sponsored by DSB.  NFB-NEWSLINE® offers valuable 
opportunities for individuals who do not read 
print to independently access information they 
need.  In many ways NFB-NEWSLINE® mirrors the 
same goals held by the Arkansas Division of 
Services for the Blind to facilitate the 
independence, choice, and engagement of persons 
who are blind.  For the first time in DSB 
history, this partnership between the existing 
Arkansas Information Reading Services for the 
Blind and NFB-NEWSLINE® promises to raise the bar 
to enable Arkansans with vision impairments to 
compete globally by obtaining local, state, and 
worldwide information to manage their careers and their personal lives.”



NFB-NEWSLINE®, which began operation in 1995, 
offers TV listings in addition to newspapers and 
magazines to over 70,000 subscribers through 
several delivery methods: a standard touch-tone 
telephone, over the Internet, or by download to a 
digital talking-book player or mp3-playing device.



To experience the independent access to over 
three hundred publications offered with 
NFB-NEWSLINE®, please visit 
<http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org. 
For further information please write to 
<mailto:swhite at nfb.org>swhite at nfb.org or call (866) 504-7300.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind



With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people's lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.


From ds94124 at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 11:05:52 2009
From: ds94124 at aol.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 05:05:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Community Service List???
Message-ID: <auto-000125086937@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Hello all,
  A quick bit about myself; my name is Darian 
Smith, I am a recent AmeriCorps Graduate via the 
National Civilian community corps.  I attended 
national convention in Detroit this year where I 
spoke about my experiences as a blind person in the program.

  Why I’m writing: Upon speaking to some 
individuals who shared my passion about community 
service, I discovered some interest in a 
list-serve that would allow   for other 
Federationists to share their passion for 
community service and ideas   for strengthening 
their divisions and chapters.   If there is 
enough interest, maybe a formation of a national 
community service group that would evolve into a 
national community service division could eventually take place.
   If anybody is interested in the list-serve, 
please contact me off-list at 
<mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com>dsmithnfb at gmail.com. 
Please note that the more interest in this list 
serve, the more likely this list serve will be created.
    I look forward to hearing from all of you and 
eventually hearing lots of great discussion and 
wonderful ideas should this all leave the ground.
   Thank you,
   Darian Smith
National Federation of the Blind, California –San Francisco Chapter member
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From JChwalow at nfb.org  Thu Nov  5 18:31:29 2009
From: JChwalow at nfb.org (Chwalow,
	Judith)
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:31:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Research in the Rockies: Research Summit on Braille
 Reading and Writing
Message-ID: <auto-000125167431@mailfront1.g2host.com>


The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan 
Institute, with the National Center for Severe 
and Sensory Disabilities and the 
Bresnahan-Halstead Center on Disabilities, is 
cosponsoring the Research in the Rockies: 
Research Summit on Braille Reading and Writing. 
We hope to advance the state of research in the 
area of Braille in the USA. We encourage you to 
submit an abstract to this conference and request 
that you diffuse it to all colleagues who might 
have an interest in this field. Research-related 
abstracts will be accepted from all members of 
the Braille community and will be reviewed by a 
multidisciplinary panel including academics, 
practitioners, and parents.  For more 
information, please visit the NFB Web site or 
call Dr. Judith Chwalow, Director of Research, at 
the Jernigan Institute at (410) 659-9314, extension 2404.




Research in the Rockies: Research Summit on Braille Reading and Writing


June 10-12, 2010, Denver, Colorado at the Denver Marriott City Center


Call for Papers




Sponsored by

National Center for Severe and Sensory Disabilities (NCSSD)
Bresnahan-Halstead Center on Disabilities
The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) Jernigan Institute


Purpose:

The purpose of this conference is to explore 
current and emerging research from a wide range 
of disciplines that pertains to Braille reading and writing.


Call-for-Papers Submission Guidelines:

§         Submit 250-word abstract online at: 
<http://www.unco.edu/ncssd>www.unco.edu/ncssd

§         Submission deadline is January 4, 2010 
(Louis Braille’s 201st birthday!)

§         ***Anything submitted after midnight on 
January 4, 2010 will not be accepted***

§         Presentation formats:

a.       Research paper presentation (20 minutes)

b.       Panel (minimum 60 minutes)

c.       Poster (posters will be presented in roundtable sessions)

§         If you have problems with the online 
submission form, please contact: <mailto:ncssd at unco.edu>ncssd at unco.edu

§         Please note that any handout material 
must be made available in Braille, large print, 
and electronic formats. Provide explanations for all PowerPoint presentations.


Proposals Invited from:

Cognitive scientists, linguists, educators, 
rehabilitation specialists, neurologists, 
sociologists and experimental psychologists, 
researchers in haptic and tactile perception, 
demographers, occupational therapists, and others


A. Judith Chwalow, DrPH

Director of Research, Jernigan Institute

National Federation of the Blind

200 East Wells Street

Jernigan Place

Baltimore, MD 21230



410 659 9314 x 2404

FAX: 410 659 5129

jchwalow at NFB.org


From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk  Fri Nov  6 10:45:59 2009
From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:45:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Vinux CLI 2.1: dna, std and max editions!
Message-ID: <auto-000125282023@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I am happy to announce the release of Vinux CLI 2.1 which is now available
in three different versions: The 'dna' version is a minimal Debian system
which only has five additional applications installed: the speakup screenreader
the remastersys installer, the wodim iso burning tool and the aptitude package
manager. It weighs in at just under 200MB and is aimed at advanced users who
want to build their own customised installation and/or distribution from
scratch. The 'std' version is a standard Vinux CLI system with a range of
basic desktop applications including the lynx internet browser, the nano text
editor, the mutt e-mail client, the midnight commander file manager and the
pdmenu application launcher. This is just under 400MB in size and is aimed at
intermediate users who may want to customised the standard version by adding
extra applications. The 'max' version is a full CD's worth on command line
applications containing as many useful desktop tools and utilities that I could
find in the Debian repositories. This aimed at users who want a ready made CLI
system with all the bells and whistles! Both the 'std' and max' editions have
the Vinux single character command aliases and a menu system which allows
uers to browse and run installed applications. Entering 'm' will open the menu,
entering 'h' will bring up a help file which lists all of the keyboard
shortcuts and installed applications. These new versions were all built with
the new Vinux build script which is included in the /root folder of each
edition. You can use this to install pre-selected suites of applications or
modify it to build your own customised system. This is also available as a
separate download if you want to modify an existing version of Debian.

Download URL's:

http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-dna-2.1.iso
http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-std-2.1.iso
http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-max-2.1.iso
http://vinux.org.uk/latest/Vinux-CLI-all-2.1.md5sums.txt
http://vinux.org.uk/latest/vinuxCLIscript1.62.tar.gz
http://vinux.org.uk/latest/help.txt

drbongo
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From jfayre at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 10:54:34 2009
From: jfayre at gmail.com (Jason Fayre)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 04:54:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] streaming for NFB of Colorado convention
Message-ID: <auto-000126439629@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The NFB of Colorado is once again streaming our 2009 state convention.
  Convention starts on Friday, November 6 at 10AM mountain time.  We
will adjourn at 12PM on Sunday.  The stream will be broadcasting all
the general sessions, plus the banquet.  We will also be broadcasting
the technology seminar and the employment seminar on Friday afternoon.
  Links to the streams can be found at the NFB of Colorado website:
http://www.nfbco.org

We will not be using Skype this year.  However, you can interact with
us on twitter by following nfbco.  You can also send e-mail to
nfbco09 at cocenter.org.



From mhartle at nfb.org  Fri Nov  6 11:01:26 2009
From: mhartle at nfb.org (Hartle,
	Mary Jo)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:01:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [State_youth_coordinators] FW: 2010 NFB Junior Science
	Academy
Message-ID: <auto-000126440223@mailfront2.g2host.com>



Gear Up for Greatness!
National Federation of the Blind
2010 Junior Science Academy
Baltimore, Maryland, at the NFB Jernigan Institute

A STEM Program for Blind Children
Ages 8-12

In 2008, the National Center for Blind Youth in Science (NCBYS), a 
program of the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, 
offered its first Science Academy program for elementary 
students.  Once again, we are making this program possible for 
children in grades three through six. The NCBYS developed its Junior 
Science Academy (JSA) in 2004 in order to spark and enhance blind 
students' interest in scientific study, an academic area that many 
falsely believe is too difficult for the blind.  This year, with 
hands-on experiences, tactile materials, and innovative nonvisual 
teaching methods, the JSA will open its doors again to young 
explorers with two sessions of the program.  Applicants can apply for 
one of the following dates:

Session 1: July 28-August 1, 2010
Session 2: August 4-August 8, 2010

The Junior Science Academy is a four-day session that will expose 
blind children to the excitement of science in real-life 
applications.  The students will learn about how much fun science can 
be through hands-on instruction, field trips, and interactive 
activities. Attending parents will participate in a corresponding 
seminar with workshops designed to focus on meeting the needs of 
their blind children.

Program Costs
There is a $150.00 registration fee for accepted pairs of students 
and parents/chaperones.  All other expenses, including travel, room, 
board, and program materials will be covered by the NFB Jernigan 
Institute for all participants, including accepted mentors.  .

Mentors Needed
We are also looking for mentors to work in one or both sessions of 
the program.  mentors help facilitate student activities while 
parents are engaged in parent programming.  Mentors can apply online 
at the site below.  Please visit this page to learn more about this 
opportunity and to apply to be a mentor this summer.
How to Apply
Whether you are an interested family, or someone who is interested in 
serving as a mentor, please visit 
<http://www.blindscience.org>www.blindscience.org to learn more about 
this exciting event, or to apply.  You may also contact the NFB 
Jernigan Institute at (410) 659-9314, ext. 2407.

Come join us!

Sincerely,
Mary Jo T. Hartle



Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC

Director of Education
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells St.
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410)659-9314 ext. 2407
Email: <mailto:MHARTLE at nfb.org>MHARTLE at nfb.org
Fax: (410) 659-5129
Visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org   or 
<http://www.blindscience.org>www.blindscience.org


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 16:40:53 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:40:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Review Comparison
Message-ID: <0C84D2DFB180462B950BDF7EBEAC15A9@Rufus>

Earlier I asked about GPS reviews.  Access World has a good one here.  I
wish there was a way to make the software work with VZ Navigator through
Verizon.  That software I pesonally know to be an excellent GPS solution.
Link at:

http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw100402

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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database 4579 (20091106) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

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From agrima at nbp.org  Fri Nov  6 17:18:17 2009
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:18:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Have You Filled a Bucket Today? In print/braille
Message-ID: <F4A8B4F32E864AA5B72AADD2DEE257A1@nbp2.local>

Hello - here's the latest print/braille book from NBP.
-Tony Grima, NBP

November 2009 Book Club Selection
Have You Filled a Bucket Today? A Guide to Daily Happiness for Kids
by Carol McCloud
Print/Braille edition, $9.95
Ages 4-9


The book is one of the highest-ranking (sales-wise) children's book on
Amazon right now. It basically uses the metaphor of "filling a bucket"
to convey the simple lesson of "doing onto others, as you would want
done to you." It reminds kids that they have the ability to "fill
someone up" by being or saying something nice, or just the opposite. The
repetitious metaphor can be cloying to adults, but kids find it easy to
understand and employ. Schools have embraced this idea to communicate
respect and responsibility toward others. It's won 7 children's book
awards (see listing below).

"This book visually conveys a message that is often difficult to explain
to children, about finding happiness through spreading happiness. Kids
understand it and love it, and it helps parents explain at a kid's level
why someone was mean to them."
-C Rogers, California

"I bought this book for my two grandsons, ages 5 and 3, when they
visited a few weeks ago. When I went to visit them last weekend, I was
thrilled to hear their mom and them constantly referring to "filling
someone's bucket." Both children understand that when you are being
nice, you are filling other's buckets, AS WELL as your own, and that
when being unkind, everyone's bucket gets emptied. I highly recommend
it!"  
-- J. Hesford

"As a school counselor, I am always looking for ways to work with
students to help them understand how their acts of kindness not only
help others but help themselves. This is the first book I have come
across the does this in such a magnificent way. I have read this book to
all of our students in Kindergarten through fifth grade. I would highly
recommend this book for parents, teachers, and counselors."
-- J. Counselor, Western Wisconsin

"I was sucked into the whole bucket thing because the corresponding
program is what my elementary school is doing this year. We have the
posters throughout the school, the assemblies, and the books. But, when
it gets down to it, this simple little book packs a message that every
kid needs to know. Because, despite what we think, too many kids need
lessons in how to be kind."
-- E. Taylor, Utah

To order or read more about this book online, visit 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC0911-BUCKET.html

******
To order any books, send payment to:
NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext
20. Or order any of our books online at
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html .





From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 17:23:12 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 12:23:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: An Outlook Express Question
Message-ID: <99537FF3C1D54F16A3FE3E282F81DFCD@TheDoubleD>

Hi THere!
I'm hoping that someone on here will be able to answer this, as I have to format my hard drive on Monday, and want to import as many of my settings back in as possible.
I know in Outlook Express it is possible to import in your address book, account settings, inbox, etc.
I have some message rules for certain email lists I'm on, is it possible to import those back in as well and if so how?
Thanks.
>From David Dunphy


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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Fri Nov  6 22:04:27 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 14:04:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: An Outlook Express Question
In-Reply-To: <99537FF3C1D54F16A3FE3E282F81DFCD@TheDoubleD>
References: <99537FF3C1D54F16A3FE3E282F81DFCD@TheDoubleD>
Message-ID: <900233415D2847CE81189945C7350E48@stanford.edu>

Hi,

	I'm writing you this off list.  My name is Nicole.  I can help you.
First, though, I need to know your operating  system, as the procedure will
be different depending on your os.

Nicole

-----Original Message-----
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Of David Dunphy
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:23 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: An Outlook Express Question

Hi THere!
I'm hoping that someone on here will be able to answer this, as I have to
format my hard drive on Monday, and want to import as many of my settings
back in as possible.
I know in Outlook Express it is possible to import in your address book,
account settings, inbox, etc.
I have some message rules for certain email lists I'm on, is it possible to
import those back in as well and if so how?
Thanks.
>From David Dunphy


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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 04:19:28 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 20:19:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Membership committee conference call.
Message-ID: <409c235c0911062019gb3c6d9du1e43799063009296@mail.gmail.com>

 Hello to all,
   a quick and friendly reminder that  sunday at 6 p.m.e.t. we will be
having our  first national association of blind students membership
conference call brought to you  by the national association of blind
students membership committee.  We are very excited to bring  to you
discussion related to community service as our first topic.  We  will
also ask for your input in future conference calls as well as  open
oppertunity for  interested individuals to join in the membership
committee.
  712.775.7100 is the number  to call  and the passcode is257963

 Please  note that the ajenda is below and  will also be atatched.
  We  look forward to  hearing from you  all soon!
  Best,
 Darian smith
 membership co-chair.

			Nabs membership conference call:   community service

1.	Welcome, introduction to committee, membership conference call
series.: membership committee

2.	Introductions (name, from, school?): membership.
3.	Community service, what is it, what it means to those who’ve done
it and how it fits into our philosophy (Tracey Saforanco (NFB of Va.
4.	 Questions, comments for Tracey.

5.	Community service discussion (ideas stories ECT.)

6.	Ideas for other speakers in remaining topic conference calls.

7.	Connecting with individuals wishing to join committee.

8.	Set-up next date for conference call.
9. Thhank you and adjourn





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past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From chickerland at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 19:32:23 2009
From: chickerland at gmail.com (Zach)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 12:32:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
References: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus>
Message-ID: <9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP>

Well if you are talking phones, try moto q9c. I've heard that one is pretty 
good
P.S. If u have not done so already, please join the electronicsfortheblind 
mailing list. To join, click below:
googlegroups.com/group/electronicsfortheblind
Thank you for your consideration in this matter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "'National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nabs at acb.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews


> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products they've
> purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to find what
> I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the need to
> leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in investing
> in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with smart
> phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry 
> around
> for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well it
> works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in advance 
> for
> your assistance.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
>
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From lemberg1 at optonline.net  Sat Nov  7 20:45:32 2009
From: lemberg1 at optonline.net (Gary)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:45:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] system access install question
Message-ID: <005101ca5feb$3fed73c0$37f95043@Home>

Hello I there anybody here that knows about system access, and satogo to put on a netbook?  I would like to use it as my screen reader for my desktop for windows xp and system access mobile network.  I would really appreciate if anyone could assist me with this request.

Sincerely Gary Lemberg

From iwilcox at nabslink.org  Sat Nov  7 21:36:00 2009
From: iwilcox at nabslink.org (Isaiah Wilcox)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:36:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Fundraising Committee Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <2E5279E3-647C-4A39-B79D-227004B42A07@nabslink.org>

Hello Everyone,
I wanted to send out a friendly reminder to all of you about the NABS  
fundraising committee's first meeting tomorrow at 5:00pm eastern  
standard time.  If you are planning to attend please e-mail me off  
list at: iwilcox at nabslink.org and I will send you the information.   
Please join us, we need as many great ideas as possible.
Regards,
Isaiah Wilcox


From liamskitten at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 22:02:28 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:02:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
In-Reply-To: <9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP>
References: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus>
	<9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20911071402ia92c7f2k766c0219bbfbab8@mail.gmail.com>

Jo and list:

This blog should provide a comprehensive comparison/review of a number
of GPS systems.  Some are included in a phone package, while others
require there own machine or come on another piece of assistive
technology.  Hope this link helps:

http://www.healthnews.com/blogs/nicki/natural-health/comparison-accessible-gps-systems-3357.html
Courtney

On 11/7/09, Zach <chickerland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if you are talking phones, try moto q9c. I've heard that one is pretty
> good
> P.S. If u have not done so already, please join the electronicsfortheblind
> mailing list. To join, click below:
> googlegroups.com/group/electronicsfortheblind
> Thank you for your consideration in this matter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "'National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nabs at acb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:43 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products they've
>> purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to find what
>> I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the need to
>> leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in investing
>> in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with smart
>> phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry
>> around
>> for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well it
>> works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in advance
>> for
>> your assistance.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>
>>
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From lemberg1 at optonline.net  Sat Nov  7 22:13:56 2009
From: lemberg1 at optonline.net (Gary)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:13:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] system access assistance
Message-ID: <007901ca5ff7$998dd350$37f95043@Home>

I was wondering if anybody knows how to use system access screen reader, and system access mobile network to install on a net book with windows xp?  I would really love any amount of help on this subject.  Please get back to me as soon as possible.

Sincerely Gary Lemberg

From jp100 at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  7 23:55:37 2009
From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:55:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?
Message-ID: <DA87FC3580A84D1F845C8B784F655802@acer36d0bd61cf>

Howdy,

I was wondering if anyone knew of any technical support for Facebook that one could call or email.  I think there's a bit of a problem with it, and I don't think I'm the only person who had trouble with it, as a sighted friend of mine found the same things.

I noticed that when people join facebook, one can right away see where people are from.  I was told that this was done by joining a network.
So, if I wanted to let people know I was from Seattle, WA, then I had to join the network that said, Seattle, WA.

I went to "settings" and then to "networks" and when it told me to join the network, I typed in "Seattle."  It then gave me some choices, but it always went back to asking me about a school email and basically only thought that I was either a student or someone involved with a school in Seattle.

When I had a sighted friend do it for me, she experienced the same thing.  Someone else tried it on her computer for her account, and she experienced the same thing.
So, I'm wondering if this is a Facebook problem.
I couldn't do any of this on the facebook mobile page, but I could do it on the regular page, and that's what I did.

Does anyone have any thoughts?
Jim Portillo   

From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 02:10:34 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:10:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <DA87FC3580A84D1F845C8B784F655802@acer36d0bd61cf>
References: <DA87FC3580A84D1F845C8B784F655802@acer36d0bd61cf>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0911071810h769710a6jacee117c0fd22e9f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure it's a FAcebook prob.  I'd e-mail the Facebook help.  Or you
could pose your question to the help center, and a Facebook user who
probably knows more than you and me can get to you.  Ok?  Hth.
Beth

On 11/7/09, Jim <jp100 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Howdy,
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew of any technical support for Facebook that
> one could call or email.  I think there's a bit of a problem with it, and I
> don't think I'm the only person who had trouble with it, as a sighted friend
> of mine found the same things.
>
> I noticed that when people join facebook, one can right away see where
> people are from.  I was told that this was done by joining a network.
> So, if I wanted to let people know I was from Seattle, WA, then I had to
> join the network that said, Seattle, WA.
>
> I went to "settings" and then to "networks" and when it told me to join the
> network, I typed in "Seattle."  It then gave me some choices, but it always
> went back to asking me about a school email and basically only thought that
> I was either a student or someone involved with a school in Seattle.
>
> When I had a sighted friend do it for me, she experienced the same thing.
> Someone else tried it on her computer for her account, and she experienced
> the same thing.
> So, I'm wondering if this is a Facebook problem.
> I couldn't do any of this on the facebook mobile page, but I could do it on
> the regular page, and that's what I did.
>
> Does anyone have any thoughts?
> Jim Portillo
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From singinggirl017 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  8 02:22:06 2009
From: singinggirl017 at hotmail.com (Macy McClain)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 21:22:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?
In-Reply-To: <DA87FC3580A84D1F845C8B784F655802@acer36d0bd61cf>
References: <DA87FC3580A84D1F845C8B784F655802@acer36d0bd61cf>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W214AE2A640880ADD7B792F9AAD0@phx.gbl>


Hi Jim.

This is interesting. I've never had this problem, although I'm not in any networks currently. I tried to find a network where I go to school at, and it led me to a blind school in Indiana. I was trying to look for the Ohio State School for the Blind network, but I guess there wasn't a network.

I'm not sure if there is any number you can call. I'm sure there's an email address though, I'll have to look.

I've never really had problems with Facebook lately, it's gotten a lot better. I'm really proud of them for making it even more accessible for blind people.

Macy
 
> From: jp100 at earthlink.net
> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:55:37 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knew of any technical support for Facebook that one could call or email. I think there's a bit of a problem with it, and I don't think I'm the only person who had trouble with it, as a sighted friend of mine found the same things.
> 
> I noticed that when people join facebook, one can right away see where people are from. I was told that this was done by joining a network.
> So, if I wanted to let people know I was from Seattle, WA, then I had to join the network that said, Seattle, WA.
> 
> I went to "settings" and then to "networks" and when it told me to join the network, I typed in "Seattle." It then gave me some choices, but it always went back to asking me about a school email and basically only thought that I was either a student or someone involved with a school in Seattle.
> 
> When I had a sighted friend do it for me, she experienced the same thing. Someone else tried it on her computer for her account, and she experienced the same thing.
> So, I'm wondering if this is a Facebook problem.
> I couldn't do any of this on the facebook mobile page, but I could do it on the regular page, and that's what I did.
> 
> Does anyone have any thoughts?
> Jim Portillo 
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From lemberg1 at optonline.net  Sun Nov  8 10:53:14 2009
From: lemberg1 at optonline.net (Gary)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:53:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] can anybody help
Message-ID: <004f01ca6061$abcccb60$37f95043@Home>

hello everybody on the student's list.  My name is Gary Lemberg.  I just recently bought a Compac net Book, and I also purchased System Access, and System mobile network.  I was hoping that there someone on the this list knows how to install the service from Serotek's web site, and how to activate on the net book.Please somebody help as soon as possible.

Sincerely Gary Lemberg

From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 13:19:58 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:19:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?
References: <DA87FC3580A84D1F845C8B784F655802@acer36d0bd61cf>
	<SNT124-W214AE2A640880ADD7B792F9AAD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <006601ca6076$2c2cee70$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

You can email them at info at facebook.com
Hth.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Macy McClain" <singinggirl017 at hotmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing li" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?


>
> Hi Jim.
>
> This is interesting. I've never had this problem, although I'm not in any 
> networks currently. I tried to find a network where I go to school at, and 
> it led me to a blind school in Indiana. I was trying to look for the Ohio 
> State School for the Blind network, but I guess there wasn't a network.
>
> I'm not sure if there is any number you can call. I'm sure there's an 
> email address though, I'll have to look.
>
> I've never really had problems with Facebook lately, it's gotten a lot 
> better. I'm really proud of them for making it even more accessible for 
> blind people.
>
> Macy
>
>> From: jp100 at earthlink.net
>> To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 15:55:37 -0800
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Any assistance for Facebook?
>>
>> Howdy,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew of any technical support for Facebook that 
>> one could call or email. I think there's a bit of a problem with it, and 
>> I don't think I'm the only person who had trouble with it, as a sighted 
>> friend of mine found the same things.
>>
>> I noticed that when people join facebook, one can right away see where 
>> people are from. I was told that this was done by joining a network.
>> So, if I wanted to let people know I was from Seattle, WA, then I had to 
>> join the network that said, Seattle, WA.
>>
>> I went to "settings" and then to "networks" and when it told me to join 
>> the network, I typed in "Seattle." It then gave me some choices, but it 
>> always went back to asking me about a school email and basically only 
>> thought that I was either a student or someone involved with a school in 
>> Seattle.
>>
>> When I had a sighted friend do it for me, she experienced the same thing. 
>> Someone else tried it on her computer for her account, and she 
>> experienced the same thing.
>> So, I'm wondering if this is a Facebook problem.
>> I couldn't do any of this on the facebook mobile page, but I could do it 
>> on the regular page, and that's what I did.
>>
>> Does anyone have any thoughts?
>> Jim Portillo
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 15:47:11 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:47:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
In-Reply-To: <7949e5e20911071402ia92c7f2k766c0219bbfbab8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus>
	<9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP>
	<7949e5e20911071402ia92c7f2k766c0219bbfbab8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0DA2CFD-EDB1-44CD-B46C-A299C1A63CC5@gmail.com>

I've played with the Trekker (not the Breeze...the big one) and have  
been very impressed. Because it is designed for the blind, the Trekker  
gives directions that don't assume you can see your destination...or  
what you are passing. It's expensive, but well worth the funds.

Corbb

P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S.  
coin with full-size Braille on it!



On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Courtney Stover wrote:

Jo and list:

This blog should provide a comprehensive comparison/review of a number
of GPS systems.  Some are included in a phone package, while others
require there own machine or come on another piece of assistive
technology.  Hope this link helps:

http://www.healthnews.com/blogs/nicki/natural-health/comparison-accessible-gps-systems-3357.html
Courtney

On 11/7/09, Zach <chickerland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if you are talking phones, try moto q9c. I've heard that one is  
> pretty
> good
> P.S. If u have not done so already, please join the  
> electronicsfortheblind
> mailing list. To join, click below:
> googlegroups.com/group/electronicsfortheblind
> Thank you for your consideration in this matter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "'National  
> Association
> of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nabs at acb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:43 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products  
>> they've
>> purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to  
>> find what
>> I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the  
>> need to
>> leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in  
>> investing
>> in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with  
>> smart
>> phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry
>> around
>> for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well  
>> it
>> works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in  
>> advance
>> for
>> your assistance.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
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>> crowd."--Max Lucado
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Sun Nov  8 16:24:31 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:24:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
References: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus><9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP><7949e5e20911071402ia92c7f2k766c0219bbfbab8@mail.gmail.com>
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I use sendero gps with the braille note. I love it.
Hope and Beignet
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Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews


> I've played with the Trekker (not the Breeze...the big one) and have  been 
> very impressed. Because it is designed for the blind, the Trekker  gives 
> directions that don't assume you can see your destination...or  what you 
> are passing. It's expensive, but well worth the funds.
>
> Corbb
>
> P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S.  coin 
> with full-size Braille on it!
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Courtney Stover wrote:
>
> Jo and list:
>
> This blog should provide a comprehensive comparison/review of a number
> of GPS systems.  Some are included in a phone package, while others
> require there own machine or come on another piece of assistive
> technology.  Hope this link helps:
>
> http://www.healthnews.com/blogs/nicki/natural-health/comparison-accessible-gps-systems-3357.html
> Courtney
>
> On 11/7/09, Zach <chickerland at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well if you are talking phones, try moto q9c. I've heard that one is 
>> pretty
>> good
>> P.S. If u have not done so already, please join the 
>> electronicsfortheblind
>> mailing list. To join, click below:
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>> Thank you for your consideration in this matter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "'National 
>> Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nabs at acb.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:43 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products 
>>> they've
>>> purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to  find 
>>> what
>>> I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the  need 
>>> to
>>> leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in 
>>> investing
>>> in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with 
>>> smart
>>> phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry
>>> around
>>> for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well  it
>>> works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in  advance
>>> for
>>> your assistance.
>>>
>>> Joe Orozco
>>>
>>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 16:46:35 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:46:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
Message-ID: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>

Hi all,

I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available that is less expensive than Jaws?

A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get it for him.

Thanks,

Jen

From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Sun Nov  8 17:11:25 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:11:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
Message-ID: <EDB2A8FBD5944080BDC6C4A9E0BE6AA8@Hope>

What about nvda? Or System Access?
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To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available 
> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>
> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get 
> it for him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jen
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From withat at msn.com  Sun Nov  8 17:12:49 2009
From: withat at msn.com (Johnston)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:12:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP100232BFEDAE1DD70874DA3D2AD0@phx.gbl>

Hi Jennifer,
Yes, there are less expensive screen readers than JAWS.  Most would agree 
that JAWS is currently the best screen reader on the market, but Freedom 
Scientific is an evil empire, and does charge through the roof for all of 
their products.  I have heard that Window Eyes is a very, very good screen 
reader, and I would assume that it is less expensive.  I have heard that 
there are even free screen readers.  I don't know what open source is, but I 
heard of an open source screen reader that is free; maybe this is similar to 
public domain.
Good luck!

Jay in Oregon
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To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available 
> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>
> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get 
> it for him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jen
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Nov  8 17:19:25 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:19:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
In-Reply-To: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
Message-ID: <8407DBEE42D440A98821474DE7345B0B@stanford.edu>

There's a free one that works relatively well and is still being improved
called NVDA. 

-----Original Message-----
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Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:47 AM
To: NABS-L
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software

Hi all,

I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available
that is less expensive than Jaws?

A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get
it for him.

Thanks,

Jen
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 17:37:49 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:37:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
In-Reply-To: <EDB2A8FBD5944080BDC6C4A9E0BE6AA8@Hope>
References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
	<EDB2A8FBD5944080BDC6C4A9E0BE6AA8@Hope>
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I was just going to say Sytem Access because I heard it works for 64
bit windows which is what I have.  But I have JAWS 10 which works
fine.
Beth

On 11/8/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> What about nvda? Or System Access?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available
>> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>>
>> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get
>>
>> it for him.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jen
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From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 18:34:00 2009
From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:34:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
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References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
	<EDB2A8FBD5944080BDC6C4A9E0BE6AA8@Hope>
	<4383d01d0911080937l5ea3e3eawbdac9285a0cad11d@mail.gmail.com>
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MVDA or system access are going to be the cheapest options. MVDA is
free and system access is much less then jaws. Good luck.

-- 
Alena Roberts
Blog: http://www.blindgal.com/


From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 18:44:40 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 13:44:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
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References: <8407DBEE42D440A98821474DE7345B0B@stanford.edu>
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There is one called satogo. It comes on a flash drive and it is free. I 
don't have it yet, but I am going to get it soon. I am using JAWS 
rightt and I like it. I don't think satogo does as much as JAwS, but it 
is good if you go somewhere and the computer there doesn't have JAWS. 
For example in the library or at school or at your family's house that 
you're visiting.

-----Original Message-----
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To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
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Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 12:19 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software

There's a free one that works relatively well and is still being 
improved
called NVDA.

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 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
Behalf
Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:47 AM
To: NABS-L
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software

Hi all,

I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available
that is less expensive than Jaws?

A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to 
get
it for him.

Thanks,

Jen
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From jaedpo96 at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 19:02:00 2009
From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:02:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream question
Message-ID: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>

Our school system just got a victor stream. I am probably not going to 
use a whole lot because my braille note just got updated and it does 
everything the vicgtor stream does. My vision teacher let me take it 
home or the weekend so I could look at it and try to figure out how to 
use it. I am good at learning how to use technology. Just give me any 
piece of technology and let me play with it for a couple of hours and I 
can figure out how to use. I taught myself the braille note just from 
reading the user guide. I want to know if you can ajust the bit depth 
and the sample frequency when you record on it.



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 19:16:53 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:16:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream question
In-Reply-To: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
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No, I don't think this is possible. 

Liz

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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sun Nov  8 19:36:02 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 14:36:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
Message-ID: <00c301ca60aa$b4b4b910$0301a8c0@Serene>

A sighted friend of mine told me once that his gf can use System Access To 
go on his computer (when they're at his house)  I think he also told me you 
can download it for free online.  I've never used it, so don't know how 
accessible downloading/installing it is.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available 
> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>
> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get 
> it for him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jen
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Nov  8 20:09:17 2009
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 12:09:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream question
In-Reply-To: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <DFCAA1AB2F5C42A9A81A573B58A79B70@stanford.edu>

No, you cannot.  Unless you have an external microphone for the BrailleNote,
the recording quality on the vs is better, at least in my experience.  If
you are recording on the BrailleNote and typing at the same time, the typing
is too loud on the recording. 

-----Original Message-----
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Of Polansky
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:02 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream question

Our school system just got a victor stream. I am probably not going to use a
whole lot because my braille note just got updated and it does everything
the vicgtor stream does. My vision teacher let me take it home or the
weekend so I could look at it and try to figure out how to use it. I am good
at learning how to use technology. Just give me any piece of technology and
let me play with it for a couple of hours and I can figure out how to use. I
taught myself the braille note just from reading the user guide. I want to
know if you can ajust the bit depth and the sample frequency when you record
on it.


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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 20:13:02 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 15:13:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
	<00c301ca60aa$b4b4b910$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <2D49DE63720D42C9B8DCADB467CEF9E1@Gateway>

Thanks so much for all your help. I will definitely let him know about the 
other software. Hopefully he can get it all going soon.
Jen
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To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


>A sighted friend of mine told me once that his gf can use System Access To 
>go on his computer (when they're at his house)  I think he also told me you 
>can download it for free online.  I've never used it, so don't know how 
>accessible downloading/installing it is.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available 
>> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>>
>> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to 
>> get it for him.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jen
>> _______________________________________________
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 22:24:37 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:24:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] can anybody help
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Gary,

Email me off list at jackson.dezman at gmail.com and I think I can help you.

Thanks,
Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary" <lemberg1 at optonline.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 4:53 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] can anybody help


> hello everybody on the student's list.  My name is Gary Lemberg.  I just 
> recently bought a Compac net Book, and I also purchased System Access, and 
> System mobile network.  I was hoping that there someone on the this list 
> knows how to install the service from Serotek's web site, and how to 
> activate on the net book.Please somebody help as soon as possible.
>
> Sincerely Gary Lemberg
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 22:28:07 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:28:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
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I'd like to know why the VR counselor is refusing to purchase her client the
JAWS package.  Either one of the alternative screen reading packages is
fine, but it's the principle of the matter.  Is the counselor refusing
anything else, and do we need to raise hell?

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:38 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software

I was just going to say Sytem Access because I heard it works 
for 64 bit windows which is what I have.  But I have JAWS 10 
which works fine.
Beth

On 11/8/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> What about nvda? Or System Access?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software 
>> available that is less expensive than Jaws?
>>
>> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing 
>> to get
>>
>> it for him.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jen
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 22:34:57 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:34:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <8407DBEE42D440A98821474DE7345B0B@stanford.edu>
	<8CC2EBAA9CE1D40-2480-641D@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7A74CE3231D44938B9264F510D296C9A@Dezman>

Actually, the free version, SA To go cannot be installed on a thumb drive. 
You just go to www.satogo.com and as long as you have an internet connection 
the screen reader will work.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Polansky" <jaedpo96 at aol.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> There is one called satogo. It comes on a flash drive and it is free. I 
> don't have it yet, but I am going to get it soon. I am using JAWS rightt 
> and I like it. I don't think satogo does as much as JAwS, but it is good 
> if you go somewhere and the computer there doesn't have JAWS. For example 
> in the library or at school or at your family's house that you're 
> visiting.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 12:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
> There's a free one that works relatively well and is still being improved
> called NVDA.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:47 AM
> To: NABS-L
> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available
> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>
> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get
> it for him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jen
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 22:34:46 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:34:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <8407DBEE42D440A98821474DE7345B0B@stanford.edu>
	<8CC2EBAA9CE1D40-2480-641D@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>
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Actually, the free version, SA To go cannot be installed on a thumb drive. 
You just go to www.satogo.com and as long as you have an internet connection 
the screen reader will work.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Polansky" <jaedpo96 at aol.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> There is one called satogo. It comes on a flash drive and it is free. I 
> don't have it yet, but I am going to get it soon. I am using JAWS rightt 
> and I like it. I don't think satogo does as much as JAwS, but it is good 
> if you go somewhere and the computer there doesn't have JAWS. For example 
> in the library or at school or at your family's house that you're 
> visiting.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 12:19 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
> There's a free one that works relatively well and is still being improved
> called NVDA.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:47 AM
> To: NABS-L
> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software available
> that is less expensive than Jaws?
>
> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to get
> it for him.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jen
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 22:40:26 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:40:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <698B8A7854034F859026B4B2560E3496@Rufus>
Message-ID: <A460383DDEC54961B7E50A54BF7C74CF@Gateway>

Hi Joe,

We probably do. I think his counsellor could at least get him Jaws, but he 
asked, and he/she said no. His counsellor told him that the state wouldn't 
get him it because his room was too messy.

What an excuse!

Jen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> I'd like to know why the VR counselor is refusing to purchase her client 
> the
> JAWS package.  Either one of the alternative screen reading packages is
> fine, but it's the principle of the matter.  Is the counselor refusing
> anything else, and do we need to raise hell?
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
> I was just going to say Sytem Access because I heard it works
> for 64 bit windows which is what I have.  But I have JAWS 10
> which works fine.
> Beth
>
> On 11/8/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
>> What about nvda? Or System Access?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software
>>> available that is less expensive than Jaws?
>>>
>>> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing
>>> to get
>>>
>>> it for him.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jen
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> 0maine.edu
>>>
>>
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov  8 23:42:07 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:42:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] victor stream question
In-Reply-To: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC2EBD15CC1716-202C-10835@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
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The Victor Stream will do at least one thing the Braille Note won't 
do, that is play NLS digital talking books.

Dave

At 01:02 PM 11/8/2009, Polansky wrote:
>Our school system just got a victor stream. I am probably not going 
>to use a whole lot because my braille note just got updated and it 
>does everything the vicgtor stream does. My vision teacher let me 
>take it home or the weekend so I could look at it and try to figure 
>out how to use it. I am good at learning how to use technology. Just 
>give me any piece of technology and let me play with it for a couple 
>of hours and I can figure out how to use. I taught myself the 
>braille note just from reading the user guide. I want to know if you 
>can ajust the bit depth and the sample frequency when you record on it.



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Nov  8 23:43:37 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:43:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
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References: <5B5A3E46FDF54E239394CDD6C2F0C2B0@Gateway>
	<00c301ca60aa$b4b4b910$0301a8c0@Serene>
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Actually, if you point your internet browser to www.satogo.com it 
loads into memory automatically, and as long as the browser is open 
you will have a screen reader.

Dave

At 01:36 PM 11/8/2009, you wrote:
>A sighted friend of mine told me once that his gf can use System 
>Access To go on his computer (when they're at his house)  I think he 
>also told me you can download it for free online.  I've never used 
>it, so don't know how accessible downloading/installing it is.
>
>Serena



From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 01:10:48 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:10:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
In-Reply-To: <A460383DDEC54961B7E50A54BF7C74CF@Gateway>
References: <698B8A7854034F859026B4B2560E3496@Rufus>
	<A460383DDEC54961B7E50A54BF7C74CF@Gateway>
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Wow, are you serious? What kind of an excuse is that? 

Liz 

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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Nov  9 01:46:19 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:46:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] system access install question
Message-ID: <20091109014619.6154.89431@web3.serotek.com>

Hello.

I am a System Access user. You're welcome to contact me at 
loneblindjedi at samobile.net. I'm willing to work with you in whatever 
you need to get set up.

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Hello I there anybody here that knows about system access, and satogo 
> to put on a netbook?  I would like to use it as my screen reader for my 
> desktop for windows xp and system access mobile network.  I would 
> really appreciate if anyone could assist me with this request.

> Sincerely Gary Lemberg
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Nov  9 01:56:56 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:56:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
Message-ID: <20091109015656.7091.85042@web3.serotek.com>

Well, your friend could go with the free version of System Access found 
at http://www.satogo.com. Or, they could try the free NVDA software. I 
personally recommend System Access. If your friend wants to get System 
Access for their very own, they can get it pretty cheap (including 
SAMNET) for $24.95 a month. You get the screen reader for two 
computers, a portability option, and access to quite a lot of web content.

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Hi all,

> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software 
> available that is less expensive than Jaws?

> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing to 
> get it for him.

> Thanks,

> Jen
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 02:40:38 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 21:40:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
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	<4af76c07.0f0bca0a.3f87.3890@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7CF89C23553C4532BDCF42D59F955F69@Gateway>

Hi Liz,

I know, it's pathetic. He's forty years old, and he has no other 
disabilities. Yet they treat him like a child!

Well, maybe I will be a good influence on him :)

Jen
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


Wow, are you serious? What kind of an excuse is that?

Liz

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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 03:13:52 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:13:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
References: <698B8A7854034F859026B4B2560E3496@Rufus><A460383DDEC54961B7E50A54BF7C74CF@Gateway><4af76c07.0f0bca0a.3f87.3890@mx.google.com>
	<7CF89C23553C4532BDCF42D59F955F69@Gateway>
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wow! that's sad!
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> Hi Liz,
>
> I know, it's pathetic. He's forty years old, and he has no other 
> disabilities. Yet they treat him like a child!
>
> Well, maybe I will be a good influence on him :)
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
>
> Wow, are you serious? What kind of an excuse is that?
>
> Liz
>
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Mon Nov  9 07:00:46 2009
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 00:00:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Election results
Message-ID: <E6A0D48A827F44A9AF316A478B9ECDCA@melissa>

Hello all.
At the Colorado state convention.
The following people were elected to the Cabs Board.
Marty Rahn President
Melissa Green First-vice vressident
Arielle Silverman Second-vice pressident
Abel Ayelaw Secretary
Diane Fillipe Treasurer
Beth Allred Board Position 1
Asha Mehta Board position 2
Maryanne Milearelli Board position 3

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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 14:35:23 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:35:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Election results
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Congratulations to the newly-elected CABS board! 

Liz 

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 16:31:54 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:31:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Election results
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Congratulations to  the newly elected  colorado association of blind
students board!  may this new term  build upon the successfulness of
the last and  each person learn in grow as students and  officers!
  My best to you all,
  Darian smith

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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 16:37:50 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:37:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
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I wonder what that has to do with getting him jaws, a pretty lame excuse I
believe.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 3:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software

Hi Joe,

We probably do. I think his counsellor could at least get him Jaws, but he 
asked, and he/she said no. His counsellor told him that the state wouldn't 
get him it because his room was too messy.

What an excuse!

Jen
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software


> I'd like to know why the VR counselor is refusing to purchase her client 
> the
> JAWS package.  Either one of the alternative screen reading packages is
> fine, but it's the principle of the matter.  Is the counselor refusing
> anything else, and do we need to raise hell?
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
> crowd."--Max Lucado
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>
> I was just going to say Sytem Access because I heard it works
> for 64 bit windows which is what I have.  But I have JAWS 10
> which works fine.
> Beth
>
> On 11/8/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
>> What about nvda? Or System Access?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:46 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was just wondering if there might be screen reading software
>>> available that is less expensive than Jaws?
>>>
>>> A friend of mine really needs it, but the VR counsellor is refusing
>>> to get
>>>
>>> it for him.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jen
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From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 19:05:10 2009
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:05:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Screen reading software
Message-ID: <e7c236690911091105m7aa92866nb790428c24164aab@mail.gmail.com>

HI, as mentioned previously, there are two  no cost options available
for someone in need of screen readers.


The first is SAToGo which is available by going to www.satogo.org. If
one uses Internet Explorer to visit the site, the first thing one will
hear are instructions on setting up SAToGo and no sighted assistance
is necessary. If one uses a different internet browser to visit the
site, you will hear a message saying that sighted assistance might be
necessary for setting up SAToGo. This version of the System Access
screen reading software will run without installation on most Windows
XP and Vista computers without any trouble. Once the user exits the
internet browser, SAToGo will stop working. For a JAWS user, SAToGo
will be very familiar as most of the key  commands and controls are
very similar. SAToGo also includes a magnification option for anyone
who needs it. It's not very good, but it will do the job if there is
no alternative available.

The second solution is called NVDA and may be downloaded at
www.nvda-project.org. This screen reader comes packaged in two ways:
as a file with an executable ready for installation on a computer, or
as a zip file for use with a flash drive. So, you can have both, a
full functioning screen reader for home,  and a portable version of
the same . NVDA is a bit more difficult to navigate and many people do
not like the voice which comes with the screen reader by default (it
might take a bit to get used to) but it cerrtainly can be used as a
primary screen reader, there are improvements made almost daily
because it is an open source project and much work is done by a
community, and the voices can be changed to suit one's preference as
it recognizes most speech engines.

It is a good idea to try and be familiar with both, as there are
things which one may do that the other will not.



Alex Castillo


From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Nov  9 21:42:43 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
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References: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus>	<9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP>	<7949e5e20911071402ia92c7f2k766c0219bbfbab8@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm looking into the market myself and hope to try these things out a bit
soon. I'll let you know my thoughts once I've done this, if that will be of
assistance.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Corbb O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:47 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews

I've played with the Trekker (not the Breeze...the big one) and have  
been very impressed. Because it is designed for the blind, the Trekker  
gives directions that don't assume you can see your destination...or  
what you are passing. It's expensive, but well worth the funds.

Corbb

P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S.  
coin with full-size Braille on it!



On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Courtney Stover wrote:

Jo and list:

This blog should provide a comprehensive comparison/review of a number
of GPS systems.  Some are included in a phone package, while others
require there own machine or come on another piece of assistive
technology.  Hope this link helps:

http://www.healthnews.com/blogs/nicki/natural-health/comparison-accessible-g
ps-systems-3357.html
Courtney

On 11/7/09, Zach <chickerland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if you are talking phones, try moto q9c. I've heard that one is  
> pretty
> good
> P.S. If u have not done so already, please join the  
> electronicsfortheblind
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> Thank you for your consideration in this matter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "'National  
> Association
> of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nabs at acb.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:43 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products  
>> they've
>> purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to  
>> find what
>> I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the  
>> need to
>> leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in  
>> investing
>> in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with  
>> smart
>> phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry
>> around
>> for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well  
>> it
>> works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in  
>> advance
>> for
>> your assistance.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Nov  9 21:42:43 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:42:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
In-Reply-To: <BE4DFE5E83AC4E65B5CE08DDA1D3D664@Hope>
References: <4DD62FDBCA17478FAE2B1124D439A3B2@Rufus><9ECF9D9C71BF444EAF9096808563935B@LAHSSSLAPTOP><7949e5e20911071402ia92c7f2k766c0219bbfbab8@mail.gmail.com>	<D0DA2CFD-EDB1-44CD-B46C-A299C1A63CC5@gmail.com>
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Hi Hope,
How does it work? I would worry that having a note taker with you, exposed
to the elements, would not be a good thing. Is it  possible to carry it in a
purse or something, to keep it protected?
Thank you,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Hope Paulos
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 11:25 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews

I use sendero gps with the braille note. I love it.
Hope and Beignet
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From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews


> I've played with the Trekker (not the Breeze...the big one) and have  been

> very impressed. Because it is designed for the blind, the Trekker  gives 
> directions that don't assume you can see your destination...or  what you 
> are passing. It's expensive, but well worth the funds.
>
> Corbb
>
> P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S.  coin 
> with full-size Braille on it!
>
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Courtney Stover wrote:
>
> Jo and list:
>
> This blog should provide a comprehensive comparison/review of a number
> of GPS systems.  Some are included in a phone package, while others
> require there own machine or come on another piece of assistive
> technology.  Hope this link helps:
>
>
http://www.healthnews.com/blogs/nicki/natural-health/comparison-accessible-g
ps-systems-3357.html
> Courtney
>
> On 11/7/09, Zach <chickerland at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well if you are talking phones, try moto q9c. I've heard that one is 
>> pretty
>> good
>> P.S. If u have not done so already, please join the 
>> electronicsfortheblind
>> mailing list. To join, click below:
>> googlegroups.com/group/electronicsfortheblind
>> Thank you for your consideration in this matter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>; "'National 
>> Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; <nabs at acb.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 8:43 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] GPS Reviews
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if people could give their reviews of GPS products 
>>> they've
>>> purchased?  I don't mind getting twenty different directions to  find 
>>> what
>>> I'm looking for, but if there is a product that could reduce the  need 
>>> to
>>> leave earlier to ensure a timely arrival, I may be interested in 
>>> investing
>>> in one.  I'm specifically interested in applications that work with 
>>> smart
>>> phones.  I'm not really interested in relying on a notetaker to carry
>>> around
>>> for orientation, but if you're overwhelmed with yours with how well  it
>>> works, let us know in case others are interested.  Thank you in  advance
>>> for
>>> your assistance.
>>>
>>> Joe Orozco
>>>
>>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
>>> crowd."--Max Lucado
>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Nov 10 01:44:03 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:44:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Kapsys Signs an Agreement with Independent Living Aids
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>From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen at independentliving.com>
>To: "'David Andrews'" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Kapsys Signs an Agreement with Independent Living Aids
>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:42:43 -0600
>KAPTEN, the first voice-controlled GPS, will be 
>distributed in the USA through Independent 
>Living Aids, retailer of blind, low vision, and hearing loss products.
>http://www.prweb.com/images_v4/quote_left.gif
><http://www.independentliving.com>The Kapten 
>voice-controlled GPS is the most innovative 
>product developed for the blind and low vision community in recent years.
>http://www.prweb.com/images_v4/quote_right.gif
>
>
>Jericho, NY (<http://www.prweb.com/>PRWEB) 
>November 9, 2009 -- Kapsys, an innovative French 
>company and inventor of the first 
>voice-controlled GPS, announces a partnership 
>with Independent Living Aids, one of the largest 
>distributors of products for the blind and 
>visually impaired in the US. This agreement is 
>intended to develop distribution and market 
>share in the United States. Launched in October 
>2008 in France, Kapten is currently distributed 
>in western European countries such as the UK, 
>Spain, Italy and Germany. Now, the first voice 
>interactive GPS for smart urbanites will be 
>available for larger networks of distribution in the US.
>Kapten Personal GPS Voice Navigator
>Kapten Personal GPS Voice Navigator
>
>“Our collaboration with Independent Living Aids 
>sets the path of our development in the US. We 
>are confident that we have the right partner to 
>expand our distribution network in America”, 
>says Marc Tastayre, Kapsys’ Sales and Marketing Director.
>
>Irwin Schneidmill, President of ILA says, “We 
>are excited to have this opportunity to work 
>with Kapsys. The Kapten voice-controlled GPS is 
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From KKuhnke at nfb.org  Tue Nov 10 02:12:28 2009
From: KKuhnke at nfb.org (Kuhnke, Kristian)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:12:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: The Perfect Holiday Gift
Message-ID: <auto-000126863243@mailfront2.g2host.com>


----------
From: Dr. Fred Schroeder [mailto:outreach at nfb.org]
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:14 PM
Subject: The Perfect Holiday Gift



Autumn Stationery Header


It’s that time again­the holidays are quickly 
approaching!  This year, give the gift that will 
keep on giving for years to come.

Time is running out to purchase the beautiful 
2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar, 
the first U.S. coin to feature readable, tactile 
Braille.  This unique commemorative coin 
symbolizes independence, opportunity, and the 
potential of blind individuals to make 
significant contributions to society when they 
are taught to read and write using Braille­but it 
is only available for purchase until December 11, 2009.

We know that Braille is vital to all blind 
individuals, yet today in America only 10 percent 
of blind children are learning to read Braille in 
school. This continues despite the fact that 
studies have shown that 85 percent of all employed blind people read Braille.

A portion of the proceeds from sales of the coin 
will be used to support the National Federation 
of the Blind’s “Braille Readers are Leaders” 
campaign, a national initiative created to double 
the number of blind children learning Braille by 
2015, improve certification standards for 
teachers of Braille, and conduct innovative 
programs to support Braille literacy.

Go to 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=OOROxrSXu195MQ84HEY9oA..>www.braille.org 
or 
<http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=QS6wg2UEMaVBHU8fwXSP2A..>www.usmint.gov 
or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468) to give the gift of literacy today!

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To learn more about the 2009 Louis Braille 
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National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland 21230
410-659-9314 * Fax 410-659-5129

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 01:18:17 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:18:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured on ESPN
	360)
Message-ID: <409c235c0911101718i4524edb1je4c8816af314d1c5@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
 I just heard this story and came across it on the internet.  I don't
know how you may take  to it,   , but I thought it would be
interesting to  post it  and  see where  we go with it.
 Thanks,
   Darian

 sited source:  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/e60/columns/story?id=4637537



When I first came across Charlie Wilks' story I did a double take. A
blind football player? Really?

Close your eyes.

Count to 10.

Open your eyes.

Imagine every second, every minute, every day of your life is visually blank.

Charlie Wilks is 100 percent blind. He can sense only extreme light.
He is a smart, witty 14-year-old kid who even finds time to tell blind
jokes.

At age 5, a brain tumor crushed Charlie's optical nerve and stole his
eyesight. After multiple surgeries, Charlie was completely blind by
age 6. He saw
football on television before he went blind and heard plenty of
stories from his grandfather, Al Reynolds, who played in Super Bowl I
for the
Kansas City Chiefs.

"E:60" on ESPN

Watch this story on "
E:60
" at 7 p.m. ET on ESPN.

After meeting Charlie and his mother, several family members and folks
from Emporia, Kan., I knew I had discovered a special story. Charlie
has a perfect
television personality. He is vibrant, intelligent and funny. He is
dramatic and compelling. Most of all, Charlie Wilks is real.

I had a radical thought. I wanted Charlie to be the "E:60" reporter
for his own life story. Charlie liked the idea and executed the
concept flawlessly.
Management gave me the green light. And I just might have found the
next Jeremy Schaap.

Charlie Wilks has a fascinating story that raises lots of questions.
Here are some of those questions and their answers.

When I tell people about your story, there's one question that is
always asked &

How do I do it?

Yes. How do you do it? Can you describe how you play football?

I run forward, and I run into people. Basically that's it. I play
football with my team, and they give me cues. We just work together. I
play football with
the four senses I have left to me; I listen mostly, it's just
listening. I feel where the other guys are, and it's not like reaching
out and touching them.
I don't do that. I just have a sense of where they are by where I am
positioned.

Describe what you hear on the football field.

[+] Enlarge Charlie Wilks

E:60Charlie Wilks during an ESPN's "E:60" shoot in January 2009 at
Emporia State University.

Well, I'm listening to the quarterback say the down, set, hike and
then the middle linebacker, which he's like lined up right behind me,
and he'll yell
"Go" when the ball is snapped. And then I'll run forward and try to
break up the play. Sometimes I'll help my team out by listening in on
the other team's
conversations in their huddles.

So you steal plays?

Yeah, pretty much. I tell them what's going to happen, and then we stop them.

How are you able to do that?

I listen.

How do you know who to tackle?

I don't. Basically the center is just pretty much in front of me, and
there have been times when I've tackled my own teammates on accident.
The center pretty
much, his position is right across from me, so I run forward or I can
run to the right or the left to try and bust through. And just wreck
the play as
much as I can. But basically my only job is to hit the center, drag
them back, make an opening and give somebody else a chance to get in
there to stop
the play. Or, I can stop it myself.

How were you able to pick up football so easily?

It wasn't any different than what the other guys did, I listened and
learned -- and then, just experience.

Can you sense people around you and what's happening in the play?

[+] Enlarge Charlie Wilks with Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe

E:60Charlie Wilks with Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe
before the Cowboys-Chiefs game on Oct. 11. Bowe caught a touchdown in
the fourth quarter
and gave Charlie the ball.

Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes I do have a heightened sense of awareness
of the people around me, but it depends on the day. If we're playing
in rain, that's
the hardest time for me to play football because I can't hear
anything. The water that's hitting my helmet just drowns everything
out. If it's raining,
we will have the middle linebacker run up, and he'll smack me on the
leg to let me know that the ball has been snapped, and then I'll run
forward.

Your grandfather Al Reynolds [Chiefs offensive lineman from 1960 to
'68], along with many other all-time great Chiefs players, was honored
at halftime of
the
Dallas Cowboys
-Kansas City Chiefs game Oct. 11. The Chiefs invited you to be there
with him and experience that moment. What was that like?

It was pretty cool. I liked meeting
Dwayne Bowe
 and
Glenn Dorsey
, 'cause they have had the experience and they gave me some good
advice about football. But not just football, but to tell me to keep
going with what I
am doing. They said I inspire a lot of people out there. I think that
it's cool that I inspire them. If it weren't for them [Bowe and
Dorsey], I wouldn't
have the motivation I needed to continue playing football, so I guess
it's a two-way thing.

What do you want people to remember about you after this story?

I want people to remember that disabilities aren't things that get in
your way. If you use them right, disabilities can be your greatest
ability. It's like
if you imagine a disability as a crutch, don't use the disability as a
crutch, you should use the disability as a leg and start running.

Charlie Wilks
E:60Charlie Wilks reports his own story about what it's like to be
blind and play football.

Ben Houser is a senior producer for "E:60." Charlie Wilks is a
freshman football player in Emporia, Kan. When asked what was the
experience was like as
an ESPN reporter -- asking family and friends about himself -- Wilks
said: "I thought it was cool to ask my family about this stuff. It is
usually not
something that I would talk about, and I enjoyed learning what they
thought about me."


-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Nov 11 02:22:33 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:22:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: from MD Parents of Blind Children
Message-ID: <auto-000127032002@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:29:07 -0800 (PST)
>From: SUSAN POLANSKY <sepolansky at verizon.net>
>Subject: from MD Parents of Blind Children
>To: dandrews at visi.com
>
>  Can you please post this updated information from the Maryland 
> Parents of Blind Children.   Thank you; Susan Polansky President, 
> MDPOBC   Beginning on October 19th, the Parents Division will be 
> offering tickets to benefit the organization. The one selected 
> donor will receive a 5th Generation IPOD Nano. It has an 80 GB 
> drive and can store up to 2000 songs, 8 hours of video. This is a 
> fully accessible IPOD: Spoken menus allow listeners to hear many of 
> the names of menus, song titles, and artists without viewing the 
> screen. An alternative large font can make menus easier to read. A 
> high-resolution LCD display with adjustable contrast and backlight 
> settings makes it easier to read in low light. Captions in video 
> are displayed when they are present using a legible, high-contrast 
> white-on-black font Full details on this product can be found at: 
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_nano?mco=MTA4NTE3Mzg 
> Donationare $5.00 each. There will only be a 100 tickets made 
> available for this event, so the chances are VERY GOOD!  As an 
> added bonus, you will receive a CD-ROM of "The Accessible IPOD" by 
> the National Braille Press. To obtain a ticket, please email 
> Treasurer, Bob Watson at bob at brailleenterprises.com. He will 
> provide the mailing address for you to send your donation.  If 
> would like to request a particular number (from 1 to 100), state 
> this in an email request to mdparentsofblindchildren at gmail.com. It 
> will be assigned to you, provided that number has not already been 
> selected. You will get a confirming email to verify your entry 
> number once your check has been received.  We will update this 
> website with information when the allotted number of tickets have 
> been sold.Drawing will be held when 100 tickets have been sold, no 
> earlier than November 15, 2009 at the State Convention in Ocean 
> City Maryland and not later than December 19th during the
>  Baltimore Chapter Holiday Repast at the National Center for the 
> Blind. We will ship the IPOD in time for anyone wishing this as a 
> Christmas present. Winner need not be present.



From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 18:44:57 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:44:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
Message-ID: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>

Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file. Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.

What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.

Jen 

From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 20:25:39 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:25:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
In-Reply-To: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
Message-ID: <3fea3c410911111225i73cb519dme20e2c65f5828136@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't have any trouble with it as of earlier today, but i do know
that someone else did. Sometimes facebook is finicky. Sometimes
certain parts of it will not work for me but they will a few days
later. That kind of does sound like a virus though, so i would stay
away from it as long as you are getting that message. I don't know
that much about computers so that is just a guess.

Cindy

On 11/11/09, Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>
> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>
> Jen
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From mewhalen at wisc.edu  Wed Nov 11 20:26:47 2009
From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:26:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
Message-ID: <8AFC2766631B481688A08BB6A4AFC34E@HPdc79001>

I heard from someone that that only happens if you set the mobile facebook 
page as your home page.  I haven't had it happen, but then, I don't have it 
set to my home page, so I'm not sure.

I'm not sure if that helps.

Meghan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:44 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook 
> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file. 
> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>
> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>
> Jen
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From haltaf at carrollu.edu  Wed Nov 11 20:48:15 2009
From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:48:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
	<3fea3c410911111225i73cb519dme20e2c65f5828136@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <310CC28F59634AEDA821D1988DA7FAE9@DB8D43F1>

hi,
facebook and tweeter offten are attacked by virus and the security breach, 
so please be careful there.
hina.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Bennett" <clb5590 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


I didn't have any trouble with it as of earlier today, but i do know
that someone else did. Sometimes facebook is finicky. Sometimes
certain parts of it will not work for me but they will a few days
later. That kind of does sound like a virus though, so i would stay
away from it as long as you are getting that message. I don't know
that much about computers so that is just a guess.

Cindy

On 11/11/09, Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>
> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>
> Jen
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 21:28:28 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:28:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
In-Reply-To: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
Message-ID: <4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com>

I take it you were on with your computer.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
To: NABS-L
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site

Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.

What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.

Jen 
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 21:41:07 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:41:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
	<4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway>

Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really like 
Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.

Jen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I take it you were on with your computer.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: NABS-L
> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>
> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>
> Jen
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Nov 11 22:18:36 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured on
	ESPN360)
References: <409c235c0911101718i4524edb1je4c8816af314d1c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e901ca631c$e99af080$0301a8c0@Serene>

Wow!  This is awesome!  Does anybody know if Charlie or his family is a 
member of the NFB?  He'd make a great Federationist!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:18 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured on 
ESPN360)


> Hello,
> I just heard this story and came across it on the internet.  I don't
> know how you may take  to it,   , but I thought it would be
> interesting to  post it  and  see where  we go with it.
> Thanks,
>   Darian
>
> sited source:  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/e60/columns/story?id=4637537
>
>
>
> When I first came across Charlie Wilks' story I did a double take. A
> blind football player? Really?
>
> Close your eyes.
>
> Count to 10.
>
> Open your eyes.
>
> Imagine every second, every minute, every day of your life is visually 
> blank.
>
> Charlie Wilks is 100 percent blind. He can sense only extreme light.
> He is a smart, witty 14-year-old kid who even finds time to tell blind
> jokes.
>
> At age 5, a brain tumor crushed Charlie's optical nerve and stole his
> eyesight. After multiple surgeries, Charlie was completely blind by
> age 6. He saw
> football on television before he went blind and heard plenty of
> stories from his grandfather, Al Reynolds, who played in Super Bowl I
> for the
> Kansas City Chiefs.
>
> "E:60" on ESPN
>
> Watch this story on "
> E:60
> " at 7 p.m. ET on ESPN.
>
> After meeting Charlie and his mother, several family members and folks
> from Emporia, Kan., I knew I had discovered a special story. Charlie
> has a perfect
> television personality. He is vibrant, intelligent and funny. He is
> dramatic and compelling. Most of all, Charlie Wilks is real.
>
> I had a radical thought. I wanted Charlie to be the "E:60" reporter
> for his own life story. Charlie liked the idea and executed the
> concept flawlessly.
> Management gave me the green light. And I just might have found the
> next Jeremy Schaap.
>
> Charlie Wilks has a fascinating story that raises lots of questions.
> Here are some of those questions and their answers.
>
> When I tell people about your story, there's one question that is
> always asked &
>
> How do I do it?
>
> Yes. How do you do it? Can you describe how you play football?
>
> I run forward, and I run into people. Basically that's it. I play
> football with my team, and they give me cues. We just work together. I
> play football with
> the four senses I have left to me; I listen mostly, it's just
> listening. I feel where the other guys are, and it's not like reaching
> out and touching them.
> I don't do that. I just have a sense of where they are by where I am
> positioned.
>
> Describe what you hear on the football field.
>
> [+] Enlarge Charlie Wilks
>
> E:60Charlie Wilks during an ESPN's "E:60" shoot in January 2009 at
> Emporia State University.
>
> Well, I'm listening to the quarterback say the down, set, hike and
> then the middle linebacker, which he's like lined up right behind me,
> and he'll yell
> "Go" when the ball is snapped. And then I'll run forward and try to
> break up the play. Sometimes I'll help my team out by listening in on
> the other team's
> conversations in their huddles.
>
> So you steal plays?
>
> Yeah, pretty much. I tell them what's going to happen, and then we stop 
> them.
>
> How are you able to do that?
>
> I listen.
>
> How do you know who to tackle?
>
> I don't. Basically the center is just pretty much in front of me, and
> there have been times when I've tackled my own teammates on accident.
> The center pretty
> much, his position is right across from me, so I run forward or I can
> run to the right or the left to try and bust through. And just wreck
> the play as
> much as I can. But basically my only job is to hit the center, drag
> them back, make an opening and give somebody else a chance to get in
> there to stop
> the play. Or, I can stop it myself.
>
> How were you able to pick up football so easily?
>
> It wasn't any different than what the other guys did, I listened and
> learned -- and then, just experience.
>
> Can you sense people around you and what's happening in the play?
>
> [+] Enlarge Charlie Wilks with Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne 
> Bowe
>
> E:60Charlie Wilks with Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Dwayne Bowe
> before the Cowboys-Chiefs game on Oct. 11. Bowe caught a touchdown in
> the fourth quarter
> and gave Charlie the ball.
>
> Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes I do have a heightened sense of awareness
> of the people around me, but it depends on the day. If we're playing
> in rain, that's
> the hardest time for me to play football because I can't hear
> anything. The water that's hitting my helmet just drowns everything
> out. If it's raining,
> we will have the middle linebacker run up, and he'll smack me on the
> leg to let me know that the ball has been snapped, and then I'll run
> forward.
>
> Your grandfather Al Reynolds [Chiefs offensive lineman from 1960 to
> '68], along with many other all-time great Chiefs players, was honored
> at halftime of
> the
> Dallas Cowboys
> -Kansas City Chiefs game Oct. 11. The Chiefs invited you to be there
> with him and experience that moment. What was that like?
>
> It was pretty cool. I liked meeting
> Dwayne Bowe
> and
> Glenn Dorsey
> , 'cause they have had the experience and they gave me some good
> advice about football. But not just football, but to tell me to keep
> going with what I
> am doing. They said I inspire a lot of people out there. I think that
> it's cool that I inspire them. If it weren't for them [Bowe and
> Dorsey], I wouldn't
> have the motivation I needed to continue playing football, so I guess
> it's a two-way thing.
>
> What do you want people to remember about you after this story?
>
> I want people to remember that disabilities aren't things that get in
> your way. If you use them right, disabilities can be your greatest
> ability. It's like
> if you imagine a disability as a crutch, don't use the disability as a
> crutch, you should use the disability as a leg and start running.
>
> Charlie Wilks
> E:60Charlie Wilks reports his own story about what it's like to be
> blind and play football.
>
> Ben Houser is a senior producer for "E:60." Charlie Wilks is a
> freshman football player in Emporia, Kan. When asked what was the
> experience was like as
> an ESPN reporter -- asking family and friends about himself -- Wilks
> said: "I thought it was cool to ask my family about this stuff. It is
> usually not
> something that I would talk about, and I enjoyed learning what they
> thought about me."
>
>
> -- 
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 23:00:03 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:00:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured
	onESPN360)
References: <409c235c0911101718i4524edb1je4c8816af314d1c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<00e901ca631c$e99af080$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <2FDFDC6C6F654C18B716CDDF71B538BC@radio360usa>

Some may think I'm being unfair or negative here, but whether it's just what 
I read or how the wrriter portrayed it, quite frankly, I'm not impressed. 
Doesn't seem like he's playing football as much as he's just throwing 
himself into people in the hope that he gets lucky enough to break up the 
play. Anyone can do that, blindness is not a factor in a person's ability to 
do that. Hell, I ran  into people in the middle of their games on the 
playground purely unintentionally til I learned that I needed to use a cane. 
I think running into the tree several times also made a good case for cane 
use too, but I digress.
He's even thrown his own team mates down by accident. The article seemed to 
try to make it appear that we had a blind football player. It came across 
more like he was someone who would run into people wrecklessly when given 
the cue to run. Between crowd noise and rain and all that, I doubt he'd do 
very well in real nfl games or even high school or junior high school games. 
Is it cool he's trying to play a sport? Absolutely. And from what it said, 
sounds like he'd be great on tv or radio. But this attempt to make him out 
to be an inspiration cause he runs into people blindly for lack of a better 
term just didn't do it for me. He may be good, but the article didn't do a 
very good job in trying to get that across. They should have focused more on 
his abilities as a reporter/tv person perhaps. I would have been interested 
to hear about how we might have dealt with being on tv and making sure that 
he could know when the camera was on him, for I think that would have been a 
more interesting way to inform people on how he handles what some might 
perceive as a difficult situation for a blind person. But the writer fumbled 
the ball with his attempt at creating his idea of a potential blind football 
player. Not saying it couldn't happen or hasn't, but I wasn't left with the 
feeling that a blind person could play and compete.
>From David 


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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 00:18:29 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 16:18:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured
	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <2FDFDC6C6F654C18B716CDDF71B538BC@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <313789.46001.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

David,

I'm glad someone else noticed that.  People are far too quick to jump all over something which seems inspirational, when in reality you have to look at the writer's bias and decide if that plays a factor in the person's portrayal; in this case, I think it definitely does.  Knocking into his own teammates is a perfect example of this.  There is nothing remarkable about what he does. It is terrific that we is makin the attempt, however.

Harry

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured onESPN360)
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 5:00 PM
> Some may think I'm being unfair or
> negative here, but whether it's just what I read or how the
> wrriter portrayed it, quite frankly, I'm not impressed.
> Doesn't seem like he's playing football as much as he's just
> throwing himself into people in the hope that he gets lucky
> enough to break up the play. Anyone can do that, blindness
> is not a factor in a person's ability to do that. Hell, I
> ran  into people in the middle of their games on the
> playground purely unintentionally til I learned that I
> needed to use a cane. I think running into the tree several
> times also made a good case for cane use too, but I
> digress.
> He's even thrown his own team mates down by accident. The
> article seemed to try to make it appear that we had a blind
> football player. It came across more like he was someone who
> would run into people wrecklessly when given the cue to run.
> Between crowd noise and rain and all that, I doubt he'd do
> very well in real nfl games or even high school or junior
> high school games. Is it cool he's trying to play a sport?
> Absolutely. And from what it said, sounds like he'd be great
> on tv or radio. But this attempt to make him out to be an
> inspiration cause he runs into people blindly for lack of a
> better term just didn't do it for me. He may be good, but
> the article didn't do a very good job in trying to get that
> across. They should have focused more on his abilities as a
> reporter/tv person perhaps. I would have been interested to
> hear about how we might have dealt with being on tv and
> making sure that he could know when the camera was on him,
> for I think that would have been a more interesting way to
> inform people on how he handles what some might perceive as
> a difficult situation for a blind person. But the writer
> fumbled the ball with his attempt at creating his idea of a
> potential blind football player. Not saying it couldn't
> happen or hasn't, but I wasn't left with the feeling that a
> blind person could play and compete.
> > From David 
> 
> 
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Nov 12 00:39:28 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:39:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com>
	<3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway>
Message-ID: <000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene>

I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same 
thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is having 
difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus only cuz I 
don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on here.  I'm 
gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was able to 
get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the mobile site. 
Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for facebook and ask 
what's going on.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really like 
> Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>> To: NABS-L
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>
>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>
>> Jen
>> _______________________________________________
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From chickerland at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 01:33:17 2009
From: chickerland at gmail.com (Zach on Bn running Ks 7.5.31? No longer!)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:33:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
Message-ID: <4afb65dc.8702be0a.51ce.0029@mx.google.com>

Dunno (very weird).  Find chickerland  gmail.com if you'd like 
and we facebook each other.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com
>To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:44:57 -0500
>Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site

>Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile 
facebook site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open 
or save the file.  Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 
2006.

>What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.

>Jen
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 02:16:16 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:16:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway>
	<000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway>

Hi Serena,

How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular facebook 
site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of 
course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well. If I 
figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the 
problem.

Jen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same 
>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is 
>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus only 
>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on here. 
>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was able 
>to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the mobile 
>site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for facebook and 
>ask what's going on.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really 
>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>
>> Jen
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>> To: NABS-L
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the 
>>> file.
>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>>
>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>>
>>> Jen
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>> .com
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Thu Nov 12 02:21:55 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:21:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as
	featured	onESPN360)
Message-ID: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>

David,

I do think you're being unfair. The fact that he's interacting with 
sighted peers in a sport he loves to do sounds good enough for me. I 
thought the report did a decent job of not making this kid out to be 
some kind of super hero while conveying his positive attitude about his 
blindness. It sounds like he does contribute something positive and 
valuable to the team because he concentrates his efforts on breaking up 
and stealing plays while other team players focus on getting the ball 
where it needs to be. If they used a whistling ball, he may even be 
able to play with the ball, too. I should insert here that he's not the 
first blind football player to get  recognition. There was another guy 
called Charles Krintz. He was not only blind, but very light and so 
larger players would litterally throw him where they needed him to 
break up plays and take others out. They called him Cannon Ball Krintz. 
As to takling other team mates on accident, I think there are probably 
sighted people who have done that before, and sighted players have made 
greater mistakes in football than that. And he said it wasn't something 
that happened often, just once in a while. Just my two cents.

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Some may think I'm being unfair or negative here, but whether it's just what
> I read or how the wrriter portrayed it, quite frankly, I'm not impressed.
> Doesn't seem like he's playing football as much as he's just throwing
> himself into people in the hope that he gets lucky enough to break up the
> play. Anyone can do that, blindness is not a factor in a person's ability to
> do that. Hell, I ran  into people in the middle of their games on the
> playground purely unintentionally til I learned that I needed to use a cane.
> I think running into the tree several times also made a good case for cane
> use too, but I digress.
> He's even thrown his own team mates down by accident. The article seemed to
> try to make it appear that we had a blind football player. It came across
> more like he was someone who would run into people wrecklessly when given
> the cue to run. Between crowd noise and rain and all that, I doubt he'd do
> very well in real nfl games or even high school or junior high school games.
> Is it cool he's trying to play a sport? Absolutely. And from what it said,
> sounds like he'd be great on tv or radio. But this attempt to make him out
> to be an inspiration cause he runs into people blindly for lack of a better
> term just didn't do it for me. He may be good, but the article didn't do a
> very good job in trying to get that across. They should have focused more on
> his abilities as a reporter/tv person perhaps. I would have been interested
> to hear about how we might have dealt with being on tv and making sure that
> he could know when the camera was on him, for I think that would have been a
> more interesting way to inform people on how he handles what some might
> perceive as a difficult situation for a blind person. But the writer fumbled
> the ball with his attempt at creating his idea of a potential blind football
> player. Not saying it couldn't happen or hasn't, but I wasn't left with the
> feeling that a blind person could play and compete.
>> From David


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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Nov 12 02:50:26 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:50:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene>
	<3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway>
Message-ID: <001b01ca6342$e396c260$0301a8c0@Serene>

I think it's info at facebook.com  Someone, please correct me if I'm wrong.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> Hi Serena,
>
> How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular facebook 
> site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of 
> course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well. If 
> I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the 
> problem.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same 
>>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is 
>>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus only 
>>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on here. 
>>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was 
>>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the 
>>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for 
>>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really 
>>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>>
>>> Jen
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>>> To: NABS-L
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile 
>>>> facebook
>>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the 
>>>> file.
>>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>>>
>>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> Jen
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 04:10:55 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:10:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player.
	(as	featured	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>
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I'll back you up on that one since I used to play with my own high school
football team in their practices, and I used to hear the coach yelling at
some of the teams own players because they took down their team mates
accidentally in passed games.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jedi
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:22 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured
onESPN360)

David,

I do think you're being unfair. The fact that he's interacting with 
sighted peers in a sport he loves to do sounds good enough for me. I 
thought the report did a decent job of not making this kid out to be 
some kind of super hero while conveying his positive attitude about his 
blindness. It sounds like he does contribute something positive and 
valuable to the team because he concentrates his efforts on breaking up 
and stealing plays while other team players focus on getting the ball 
where it needs to be. If they used a whistling ball, he may even be 
able to play with the ball, too. I should insert here that he's not the 
first blind football player to get  recognition. There was another guy 
called Charles Krintz. He was not only blind, but very light and so 
larger players would litterally throw him where they needed him to 
break up plays and take others out. They called him Cannon Ball Krintz. 
As to takling other team mates on accident, I think there are probably 
sighted people who have done that before, and sighted players have made 
greater mistakes in football than that. And he said it wasn't something 
that happened often, just once in a while. Just my two cents.

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> Some may think I'm being unfair or negative here, but whether it's just
what
> I read or how the wrriter portrayed it, quite frankly, I'm not impressed.
> Doesn't seem like he's playing football as much as he's just throwing
> himself into people in the hope that he gets lucky enough to break up the
> play. Anyone can do that, blindness is not a factor in a person's ability
to
> do that. Hell, I ran  into people in the middle of their games on the
> playground purely unintentionally til I learned that I needed to use a
cane.
> I think running into the tree several times also made a good case for cane
> use too, but I digress.
> He's even thrown his own team mates down by accident. The article seemed
to
> try to make it appear that we had a blind football player. It came across
> more like he was someone who would run into people wrecklessly when given
> the cue to run. Between crowd noise and rain and all that, I doubt he'd do
> very well in real nfl games or even high school or junior high school
games.
> Is it cool he's trying to play a sport? Absolutely. And from what it said,
> sounds like he'd be great on tv or radio. But this attempt to make him out
> to be an inspiration cause he runs into people blindly for lack of a
better
> term just didn't do it for me. He may be good, but the article didn't do a
> very good job in trying to get that across. They should have focused more
on
> his abilities as a reporter/tv person perhaps. I would have been
interested
> to hear about how we might have dealt with being on tv and making sure
that
> he could know when the camera was on him, for I think that would have been
a
> more interesting way to inform people on how he handles what some might
> perceive as a difficult situation for a blind person. But the writer
fumbled
> the ball with his attempt at creating his idea of a potential blind
football
> player. Not saying it couldn't happen or hasn't, but I wasn't left with
the
> feeling that a blind person could play and compete.
>> From David


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From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Thu Nov 12 04:18:54 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:18:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
In-Reply-To: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJGEMMCJAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I have had problems with mobile facebook too today.
Rachel

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:45 PM
To: NABS-L
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.

What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.

Jen
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Nov 12 04:21:13 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:21:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Universities Will Not Deploy Kindle DX as Textbook Reader
Message-ID: <auto-000127203531@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org




Universities Will Not Deploy Kindle DX as Textbook Reader




National Federation of the Blind Commends Schools
  for Demanding Accessibility for Blind Students



Baltimore, Maryland (November 11, 2009): The 
National Federation of the Blind, the oldest and 
largest organization of blind Americans, today 
applauded the decision of the University of 
Wisconsin-Madison and Syracuse University to not 
deploy Amazon’s Kindle DX as a means of 
distributing electronic textbooks (e-books) to 
their students.  The Kindle DX features 
text-to-speech technology that can read textbooks 
aloud.  The menus of the device are not 
accessible to the blind, however, making it 
impossible for a blind user to purchase books 
from Amazon’s Kindle store, select a book to 
read, activate the text-to-speech feature, and 
use the advanced reading functions available on 
the Kindle DX.  Both universities have 
experimented with the Kindle DX to learn whether 
e-book technology is useful to their 
students.  But the schools will not adopt the 
device for general use unless and until it is 
made accessible to blind students.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “The National 
Federation of the Blind commends the 
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>University of Wisconsin-Madison and Syracuse 
University for rejecting broad deployment of the 
Kindle DX in its current form because it cannot 
be used by blind students and therefore denies 
the blind equal access to electronic 
textbooks.  We do not oppose electronic 
textbooks; in fact, they hold great promise for 
blind students if they are accessible.  But as 
long as the interface of the Kindle DX is 
inaccessible to the blind­denying blind students 
access to electronic textbooks or the advanced 
features available to read and annotate them­it 
is our position that no university should 
consider this device to be a viable e-book solution for its students.”


The University of Wisconsin-Madison experimented 
with e-books for assigned course reading in an 
upper-level history seminar and encouraged 
students to give feedback about their experiences 
using e-books.  Ken Frazier, the university’s 
director of libraries, said of the Kindle: "The 
big disappointment was learning that the Kindle 
DX is not accessible to the blind.  Advancements 
in text-to-speech technology have created a 
market opportunity for an e-book reading device 
that is fully accessible for everyone.  This 
version of the Kindle e-book reader missed the 
mark.  It is relatively easy to envision an 
improved e-book reading device that meets the 
needs of the entire university community.  Such a 
device would include universal design for 
accessibility, higher-quality graphics, and 
improved navigation and note-taking.  I think 
that there will be a huge payoff for the company 
that creates a truly universal e-book reader."



Pamela McLaughlin, director of communications and 
external relations at Syracuse University, said: 
“The university purchased two Kindle DX devices 
to learn whether they might be an appropriate 
means of distributing textbooks and course 
materials.  Students are experimenting with these 
devices so that we can learn more about the 
advantages and disadvantages of this 
technology.  At this time, however, we have no 
plans to purchase any more of these units in 
light of the fact that they are inaccessible to 
blind students.  If Syracuse University decides 
to use e-book technology on campus, we will 
require technology that can be used by all of our 
students, including those who are blind.”



###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the 
blind led by the blind.  Please visit our Web 
site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.



From nicolas.lagace at humanware.com  Thu Nov 12 04:26:50 2009
From: nicolas.lagace at humanware.com (HumanWare)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:26:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] HumanWare Launches the BrailleNote Apex
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HumanWare Launches the BrailleNote Apex – Shipping December 1st, 2009

Longueuil, November 11, 2009 -- HumanWare has 
launched the BrailleNote Apex, the thinnest and 
lightest notetaker especially for professionals and students who are blind.

Powerful and sleek at just 2 cm (0.78") thick and 
weighing only 812 grams (1.8 lbs), the 
BrailleNote Apex is designed for portability and 
functionality. Intelligent ergonomics have always 
been the benchmark of HumanWare products, and the 
BrailleNote Apex performs with comfort and 
agility. A comfortable full-size Braille keyboard 
makes notetaking quick and easy, while 
HumanWare's signature thumb keys make extensive reading effortless.
Student in a classroom using a BrailleNote Apex BT


"As a proud supporter of Braille literacy, 
HumanWare is committed to developing products 
that help blind people to fully participate in 
the quickly evolving, digital world around them. 
Because we believe that communication is the key 
to success, we strive to put every opportunity in 
the hands of our customers with Braille products 
that meet their needs every day. The BrailleNote 
Apex puts the power of digital communication at 
everyone's fingertips," says Gilles Pepin, CEO of HumanWare.

Added horsepower and multiple storage options 
define the BrailleNote Apex's productivity with 
its 8 GB of internal memory and support for high 
capacity SDHC cards, along with 4 high-speed USB 
2.0 ports, built-in Wi-Fi, Ethernet and Bluetooth.

The advanced technology is driven by the new 
Windows CE 6.0 operating system which enables the 
expansion of KeySoft, a comprehensive, 
user-friendly suite of productivity applications 
with feature-rich content that is 100% 
accessible. This powerful software combination 
will facilitate future enhancements and ongoing 
improvements in response to user requests.

Almost ten years after the introduction of the 
BrailleNote, the revolutionary BrailleNote Apex 
is the ninth notetaking device in a line of 
products that has been helping people who are 
blind to be a vital part of the global information age since 2000.

For the latest news and information about 
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HumanWare offers a collection of innovative 
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myReader2, HumanWare's unique "auto-reader."


See the product at:

November 11 2009

QAC Sight Village London
Kensington Town Hall, Hornton St, W8 7NX
November 11 2009, 10am - 4.30pm

November 12-15, 2009

The Biennial Getting In Touch With Literacy 
Conference at the Hilton Orange County/Costa Mesa, California


Hear about the Apex in the next couple of days:

November 13th

ACB Radio, an internet radio station sponsored by 
the American Council of the Blind, will air a 
2-hour live special program featuring Matthew 
Janasauskas, HumanWare's Director of Technical Support on Friday, November 13

Time: 9:00 PM. EST. Listeners will have an 
opportunity to call and ask individual questions 
regarding the BrailleNote Apex. To listen, please 
visit 
<http://hcamarketing.cmail3.com/t/y/l/ujykhr/hludepi/d>http://www.acbradio.org/mainstream

November 16th

Accessible World Tek Talk will presents the Apex Braillenote, November 16, 2009
Time: 5:00 PM PST, 6:00 PM MST, 7:00 PM CST, and 8:00 PM EST
and elsewhere in the world Tuesday 1:00 GMT

Select The Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room at: 
<http://hcamarketing.cmail3.com/t/y/l/ujykhr/hludepi/h>http://www.accessibleworld.org
Enter your first and last names on the sign-in screen.

November 24th

HumanWare has scheduled an Apex introduction webinar on Tuesday, November 24th

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From newmanrl at cox.net  Thu Nov 12 04:30:31 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:30:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Keynote Speech by Louis Braille
Message-ID: <auto-000126184239@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Louis Braille is the keynote speaker at the 22nd annual White Cane 
Banquet, hosted by the Omaha Chapter NFB. Join us, if you are in the 
area, Saturday, November 14th, 5:30 PM at the Omaha Marriott, 10220 
Regency Circle. 2009 has seen many great "Louis Braille" events and 
this keynote speech will surely be rated tops. The Omaha Chapter has 
hired Louis Braille to take a look at Braille Literacy here in the 
USA. On the night of the banquet, Braille will present his findings, 
give his recommendations and make a pledge.

Louis Braille is acted by David Decant and the script was written by 
Robert Leslie Newman.

If you miss the actual event, an MP3 file of the audio and a DVD 
digitized film type file will be available on the NFB Writers' 
Division web site 
<http://nfb-writers-division.nfb.org>http://nfb-writers-division.nfb.org 
and Utubes. (elsewhere too).



Robert Leslie Newman
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website-
<Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info>Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info

From melissa at riccobono.us  Thu Nov 12 04:34:26 2009
From: melissa at riccobono.us (Melissa Ann Riccobono)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:34:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of Maryland Streaming Convention This Weekend
Message-ID: <auto-000126184532@mailfront1.g2host.com>


I am pleased to announce that the National Federation of the Blind of 
Maryland will be streaming our convention this weekend.  We are 
unsure if our board meeting at 4 PM Eastern time will be streamed on 
Friday, but we intend to stream our general sessions on Saturday from 
9-12 and again from 2-5.  We also intend to stream our banquet from 
7-11.  Sunday we hope to stream our general session from 9-12.  It is 
our sincere hope that this will go well,.  Unfortunately, the hotel 
only has a wireless connection available, so we may run into 
difficulties because of this.  This is a test project, so please bear with us!
                 To tune in, please visit 
<http://www.nfbmd.org>http://www.nfbmd.org
                 Happy listening!
Melissa Riccobono


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 07:27:12 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:27:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player.
	(asfeatured	onESPN360)
References: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>

I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are in 
the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can 
see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super hero 
who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday 
person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get far 
with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and 
solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all the 
time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're 
amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like 
this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a 
sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible 
that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias 
there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People mingle 
with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought 
the whole thing was corny.
>From David 


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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 10:47:48 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:47:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured
	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>
References: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>
	<B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <409c235c0911120247g5d18816av1ad695d5eec0c1bc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,


 here are some thoughts I've been kicking around...   As a football
fan,   it seems as if   he does his job rather well. He's an interior
lineman.  so he lines up under the center offinsive lineman and is
just supposed to push back the center so somebody else can make the
play (the general job that  somebody is supposed to do in that
position).  if he hits somebody, great.   Jedi is rather correct  in
saying that sighted football players have done worse... Jim Marshall
of the Vikings once  ran the wrong direction in a crutial game years
ago.  Instead of scoring six points for his team (a touchdown), he
scored  two points for the other team (a safety).
  The very violent and fast-paced nature  of football breeds
quick-reactors on the field, especially from the defensive standpoint.
 While I can't remember  any particular story off-hand. i do remember
hearing that  players have ran  into other players  on their team
during a play, even tackling a person and on some occasions even
injuring that player.    H'es a kid living  his dream. in the end, I
think we can only be so lucky as to say we are doing  thins.
  just my opinion.
  best,
  Darian



On 11/11/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
> I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are in
> the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can
> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super hero
> who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday
> person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get far
> with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all the
> time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're
> amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like
> this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a
> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible
> that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias
> there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People mingle
> with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought
> the whole thing was corny.
> >From David
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature
> database 4598 (20091112) __________
>
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>
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>
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"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 11:04:10 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:04:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured
	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0911120247g5d18816av1ad695d5eec0c1bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>
	<B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>
	<409c235c0911120247g5d18816av1ad695d5eec0c1bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <409c235c0911120304j700b7fe6t6729108996385412@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
  maybe this makes me a bad blind person, but I had  not considered
the possibility of a blind person  playing football on any level.
 Granted I played touch football with  the kids in my summer   of
service program, but I've never  considered lining up and playing
tackle football  like  Charlie has.
  Maybe  this reporter has  his own thing, but  it does make for a
good human interest story.  Charlie may not be amazing,  blind people
may not be amazing, but  not every person has the courage to step out
and  not let blindness defeat them and we should celebrate  those who
do.



On 11/12/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
>  here are some thoughts I've been kicking around...   As a football
> fan,   it seems as if   he does his job rather well. He's an interior
> lineman.  so he lines up under the center offinsive lineman and is
> just supposed to push back the center so somebody else can make the
> play (the general job that  somebody is supposed to do in that
> position).  if he hits somebody, great.   Jedi is rather correct  in
> saying that sighted football players have done worse... Jim Marshall
> of the Vikings once  ran the wrong direction in a crutial game years
> ago.  Instead of scoring six points for his team (a touchdown), he
> scored  two points for the other team (a safety).
>   The very violent and fast-paced nature  of football breeds
> quick-reactors on the field, especially from the defensive standpoint.
>  While I can't remember  any particular story off-hand. i do remember
> hearing that  players have ran  into other players  on their team
> during a play, even tackling a person and on some occasions even
> injuring that player.    H'es a kid living  his dream. in the end, I
> think we can only be so lucky as to say we are doing  thins.
>   just my opinion.
>   best,
>   Darian
>
>
>
> On 11/11/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are
>> in
>> the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who
>> can
>> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super
>> hero
>> who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday
>> person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get far
>> with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
>> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all
>> the
>> time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're
>> amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like
>> this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a
>> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible
>> that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias
>> there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People
>> mingle
>> with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought
>> the whole thing was corny.
>> >From David
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature
>> database 4598 (20091112) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>


-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 11:04:27 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:04:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene>
	<3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway>
Message-ID: <00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Send an email to info at facebook.com.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> Hi Serena,
>
> How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular facebook 
> site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of 
> course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well. If 
> I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the 
> problem.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same 
>>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is 
>>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus only 
>>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on here. 
>>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was 
>>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the 
>>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for 
>>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really 
>>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>>
>>> Jen
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>>> To: NABS-L
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile 
>>>> facebook
>>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the 
>>>> file.
>>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>>>
>>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> Jen
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From nefamphetamine at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 11:18:51 2009
From: nefamphetamine at gmail.com (Nefertiti Matos Olivares)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:18:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured
	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0911120304j700b7fe6t6729108996385412@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>
	<B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>
	<409c235c0911120247g5d18816av1ad695d5eec0c1bc@mail.gmail.com>
	<409c235c0911120304j700b7fe6t6729108996385412@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3d644bc30911120318k1f23f3fewd8ca4f37be62a3c9@mail.gmail.com>

right on.

On 11/12/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>   maybe this makes me a bad blind person, but I had  not considered
> the possibility of a blind person  playing football on any level.
>  Granted I played touch football with  the kids in my summer   of
> service program, but I've never  considered lining up and playing
> tackle football  like  Charlie has.
>   Maybe  this reporter has  his own thing, but  it does make for a
> good human interest story.  Charlie may not be amazing,  blind people
> may not be amazing, but  not every person has the courage to step out
> and  not let blindness defeat them and we should celebrate  those who
> do.
>
>
>
> On 11/12/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>  here are some thoughts I've been kicking around...   As a football
>> fan,   it seems as if   he does his job rather well. He's an interior
>> lineman.  so he lines up under the center offinsive lineman and is
>> just supposed to push back the center so somebody else can make the
>> play (the general job that  somebody is supposed to do in that
>> position).  if he hits somebody, great.   Jedi is rather correct  in
>> saying that sighted football players have done worse... Jim Marshall
>> of the Vikings once  ran the wrong direction in a crutial game years
>> ago.  Instead of scoring six points for his team (a touchdown), he
>> scored  two points for the other team (a safety).
>>   The very violent and fast-paced nature  of football breeds
>> quick-reactors on the field, especially from the defensive standpoint.
>>  While I can't remember  any particular story off-hand. i do remember
>> hearing that  players have ran  into other players  on their team
>> during a play, even tackling a person and on some occasions even
>> injuring that player.    H'es a kid living  his dream. in the end, I
>> think we can only be so lucky as to say we are doing  thins.
>>   just my opinion.
>>   best,
>>   Darian
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/11/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are
>>> in
>>> the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who
>>> can
>>> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super
>>> hero
>>> who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday
>>> person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get far
>>> with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
>>> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all
>>> the
>>> time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're
>>> amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like
>>> this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a
>>> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible
>>> that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias
>>> there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People
>>> mingle
>>> with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought
>>> the whole thing was corny.
>>> >From David
>>>
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> signature
>>> database 4598 (20091112) __________
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>> --
>> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>> before us;
>> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>> past and future generations,
>> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>> done, and
>> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>>
>
>
> --
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>
> _______________________________________________
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 12:51:59 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:51:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player.
	(asfeaturedonESPN360)
References: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com><B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa><409c235c0911120247g5d18816av1ad695d5eec0c1bc@mail.gmail.com><409c235c0911120304j700b7fe6t6729108996385412@mail.gmail.com>
	<3d644bc30911120318k1f23f3fewd8ca4f37be62a3c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01ca6396$ece11a60$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I agree!
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nefertiti Matos Olivares" <nefamphetamine at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. 
(asfeaturedonESPN360)


> right on.
>
> On 11/12/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>   maybe this makes me a bad blind person, but I had  not considered
>> the possibility of a blind person  playing football on any level.
>>  Granted I played touch football with  the kids in my summer   of
>> service program, but I've never  considered lining up and playing
>> tackle football  like  Charlie has.
>>   Maybe  this reporter has  his own thing, but  it does make for a
>> good human interest story.  Charlie may not be amazing,  blind people
>> may not be amazing, but  not every person has the courage to step out
>> and  not let blindness defeat them and we should celebrate  those who
>> do.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>  here are some thoughts I've been kicking around...   As a football
>>> fan,   it seems as if   he does his job rather well. He's an interior
>>> lineman.  so he lines up under the center offinsive lineman and is
>>> just supposed to push back the center so somebody else can make the
>>> play (the general job that  somebody is supposed to do in that
>>> position).  if he hits somebody, great.   Jedi is rather correct  in
>>> saying that sighted football players have done worse... Jim Marshall
>>> of the Vikings once  ran the wrong direction in a crutial game years
>>> ago.  Instead of scoring six points for his team (a touchdown), he
>>> scored  two points for the other team (a safety).
>>>   The very violent and fast-paced nature  of football breeds
>>> quick-reactors on the field, especially from the defensive standpoint.
>>>  While I can't remember  any particular story off-hand. i do remember
>>> hearing that  players have ran  into other players  on their team
>>> during a play, even tackling a person and on some occasions even
>>> injuring that player.    H'es a kid living  his dream. in the end, I
>>> think we can only be so lucky as to say we are doing  thins.
>>>   just my opinion.
>>>   best,
>>>   Darian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/11/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are
>>>> in
>>>> the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy 
>>>> who
>>>> can
>>>> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super
>>>> hero
>>>> who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday
>>>> person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get 
>>>> far
>>>> with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
>>>> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all
>>>> the
>>>> time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're
>>>> amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something 
>>>> like
>>>> this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing 
>>>> a
>>>> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was 
>>>> incredible
>>>> that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a 
>>>> bias
>>>> there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People
>>>> mingle
>>>> with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally 
>>>> thought
>>>> the whole thing was corny.
>>>> >From David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>>> signature
>>>> database 4598 (20091112) __________
>>>>
>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>>> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>>> before us;
>>> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>>> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>>> past and future generations,
>>> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>>> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>>> done, and
>>> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>> before us;
>> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>> past and future generations,
>> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>> done, and
>> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 13:35:26 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:35:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football
	player.(asfeatured	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>
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Greetings,
Usually I try very hard, since I am a parent and also sighted, not to
interject my perspective here...mostly by far I am here to learn from you to
help other parents and young children. You do what you do here beautifully.
I pretty much never feel my 2 cents is needed, but this is one of those rare
cases where I cannot control my urge to respond and am rationalizing my
sighted and parent perspective may have some benefit or value, smile.

I must admit when I first saw the headliner I braced myself and was prepared
to cringe. I thought of the times when my son was in elementary gym class
and they said he did "great" and was "like all the normal kids" and
participated, when their definition of independent participation was to
totally stop the ball game and hand him the ball. There were also frequent
gym classes where the teacher feared he may be injured and he was sent to
sit out the class on the floor by the wall at the edge of the gym. I am also
reminded of a newspaper article that featured Jordan and the reporter felt
it compelling and newsworthy to write that he "bounded" up and down the
stairs on his way to class. Oh for the day when a blind person taking the
stairs or crossing the street is not news, so I sympathize with this feeling
and hope.

On the other hand, the sighted person's reaction to that bit of news on
Jordan surprised me. It indeed broke a stereotype. Unfortunately it WAS news
to many, as well as other regular things he was doing in school. This did
not hurt and in fact helped to dispel false ideas. The reporter did not say
that he was amazing for doing it, he merely mentioned that he did and did it
not only just as a fact but he did it "bounding". People were glad to hear
it. Now we know some people thought that was amazing, but many just got new
ideas and realized the ideas they had previously about blindness must be
off. This is a good thing.

Recently I have had the grandparents of a six month old totally blind baby
contact me. Their son is the father of this baby. The grandparents are
soaking up all our resources and philosophies like sponges; the father wants
nothing to do with "those damn blind people". The father it seems is a
machismo, woodworking, sports, hunt, stereotypical male things guy's guy and
is devastated and can not think of his blind boy baby becoming a real man. 

What do we really have here? A 14 year old guy playing football, yes really
playing it appears. So he benefits from some direction and cues...don't many
things a blind person does benefit from sometimes cues and direction? I am
recalling a blind tractor pull competitor in Illinois, he had a radio on the
tractor and someone gave him directions, but he operated the tractor himself
and he competed regularly. And this teen is competing. If he starts to truly
make his team lose from his mistakes I am sure he will be on the bench and
then cut just like any other player. It is likely that will happen as it is
for many/most of his teammates. Statistically it is likely none of them will
make it to the pros. I thought he did well himself to downplay any notion
that he is SUPER-POWERED with the example of the rain on his helmet. 

He is someone who is not only blind but the survivor of a BRAIN TUMOR~the
fact that his family and his mates are not worried at all about him being
"fragile" makes my heart sing. Oh how many times are blind kids refused
participation in all kinds of things and friendly knocking around because of
the perception of them being fragile?

Maybe somewhere a little blind boy or girl, or a parent heard of this and
thought "Me too". We are rare, this participation is rare, unfortunately
that is a fact. It is good news to me, and I thought the article gave a
presentation of a kid to be admired and not merely just because he is blind.
 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
Minnesota Organization of Parents of Blind Children
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota

-----Original Message-----
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Of David Dunphy
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:27 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player.(asfeatured
onESPN360)

I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are in 
the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can

see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super hero

who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday 
person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get far 
with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and 
solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all the 
time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're 
amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like 
this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a 
sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible 
that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias 
there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People mingle 
with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought 
the whole thing was corny.
>From David 


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From wolvessarah at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 12 14:32:39 2009
From: wolvessarah at hotmail.com (sarah baebler)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:32:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind
	football	player.(asfeatured	onESPN360)
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I would say Jordan still bounds up the stairs LOL sorry Jordan couldn't resist.  Anyways I do agree that the writer and story was on the I'M AMAZING level but do agree that it gave great acknowledgment of what a blind person could do, it did say that they let him play.  If they didn't wouldn't we (NFB) be all over that?  I also hate the AMAZING praises given by people but at least it got out there and showed at least someone what a blind person can do, it could have been worse.  Maybe it touched that parent who thought my kid can't do anything.  IDK just my thoughts.
Sarah

> From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:35:26 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football	player.(asfeatured	onESPN360)
> 
> Greetings,
> Usually I try very hard, since I am a parent and also sighted, not to
> interject my perspective here...mostly by far I am here to learn from you to
> help other parents and young children. You do what you do here beautifully.
> I pretty much never feel my 2 cents is needed, but this is one of those rare
> cases where I cannot control my urge to respond and am rationalizing my
> sighted and parent perspective may have some benefit or value, smile.
> 
> I must admit when I first saw the headliner I braced myself and was prepared
> to cringe. I thought of the times when my son was in elementary gym class
> and they said he did "great" and was "like all the normal kids" and
> participated, when their definition of independent participation was to
> totally stop the ball game and hand him the ball. There were also frequent
> gym classes where the teacher feared he may be injured and he was sent to
> sit out the class on the floor by the wall at the edge of the gym. I am also
> reminded of a newspaper article that featured Jordan and the reporter felt
> it compelling and newsworthy to write that he "bounded" up and down the
> stairs on his way to class. Oh for the day when a blind person taking the
> stairs or crossing the street is not news, so I sympathize with this feeling
> and hope.
> 
> On the other hand, the sighted person's reaction to that bit of news on
> Jordan surprised me. It indeed broke a stereotype. Unfortunately it WAS news
> to many, as well as other regular things he was doing in school. This did
> not hurt and in fact helped to dispel false ideas. The reporter did not say
> that he was amazing for doing it, he merely mentioned that he did and did it
> not only just as a fact but he did it "bounding". People were glad to hear
> it. Now we know some people thought that was amazing, but many just got new
> ideas and realized the ideas they had previously about blindness must be
> off. This is a good thing.
> 
> Recently I have had the grandparents of a six month old totally blind baby
> contact me. Their son is the father of this baby. The grandparents are
> soaking up all our resources and philosophies like sponges; the father wants
> nothing to do with "those damn blind people". The father it seems is a
> machismo, woodworking, sports, hunt, stereotypical male things guy's guy and
> is devastated and can not think of his blind boy baby becoming a real man. 
> 
> What do we really have here? A 14 year old guy playing football, yes really
> playing it appears. So he benefits from some direction and cues...don't many
> things a blind person does benefit from sometimes cues and direction? I am
> recalling a blind tractor pull competitor in Illinois, he had a radio on the
> tractor and someone gave him directions, but he operated the tractor himself
> and he competed regularly. And this teen is competing. If he starts to truly
> make his team lose from his mistakes I am sure he will be on the bench and
> then cut just like any other player. It is likely that will happen as it is
> for many/most of his teammates. Statistically it is likely none of them will
> make it to the pros. I thought he did well himself to downplay any notion
> that he is SUPER-POWERED with the example of the rain on his helmet. 
> 
> He is someone who is not only blind but the survivor of a BRAIN TUMOR~the
> fact that his family and his mates are not worried at all about him being
> "fragile" makes my heart sing. Oh how many times are blind kids refused
> participation in all kinds of things and friendly knocking around because of
> the perception of them being fragile?
> 
> Maybe somewhere a little blind boy or girl, or a parent heard of this and
> thought "Me too". We are rare, this participation is rare, unfortunately
> that is a fact. It is good news to me, and I thought the article gave a
> presentation of a kid to be admired and not merely just because he is blind.
>  
>  
> Carrie Gilmer, President
> Minnesota Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David Dunphy
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:27 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player.(asfeatured
> onESPN360)
> 
> I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are in 
> the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can
> 
> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super hero
> 
> who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an everyday 
> person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll get far 
> with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and 
> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all the 
> time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're 
> amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like 
> this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a 
> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible 
> that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias 
> there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People mingle 
> with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought 
> the whole thing was corny.
> >From David 
> 
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Nov 12 15:15:19 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:15:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football
	player.	(asfeaturedonESPN360)
References: <20091112022155.18212.56396@web3.serotek.com>
	<B332FDC5476642AEA39D45CD834F924C@radio360usa>
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David,

I see what you mean by the writer's bias overall, but the part about 
mingling with peers ... Not all blind people find it easy to make friends, 
mostly through no fault of their own, but because of a lack of social 
opportunities or other issues.  E.G., I called Access Link (NJ's Paratransit 
system) to arrange a ride to visit a friend of mine who lives only half an 
hour away.  Well, when I first called, the time they gave me was totally 
insane and I was afraid I wouldn't be able to go visit.  Well, I decided to 
call again later and got lucky with the time.  I'm going to visit my friend 
tomorrow night!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. 
(asfeaturedonESPN360)


>I guess I'm just put off by this whole perception of how amazing we are in 
>the eyes of others when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who 
>can see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person is a super 
>hero who should have a hole story done on him. To me, he is just an 
>everyday person that found a way to play football that I don't think he'll 
>get far with based on what I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways 
>and solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish something all 
>the time, and a second thought is not even given to it. We do it, and we're 
>amazing. And the fact that he made such a big deal out of something like 
>this, by this I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a 
>sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that was incredible 
>that a blind person can do that. As Harry put it, that to me shows a bias 
>there on the part of the writer or a misconception about us. People mingle 
>with their peers and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought 
>the whole thing was corny.
>>From David
>
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 15:38:40 2009
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:38:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured
	onESPN360)
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I have to agree with Dave's salient points.  Those same people who find us "so amazing" will quickly turn around and make statements such as "how do you know" "you can not see" or deny us employment, housing, etc.  


--- On Thu, 11/12/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured onESPN360)
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:27 AM
> I guess I'm just put off by this
> whole perception of how amazing we are in the eyes of others
> when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can
> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person
> is a super hero who should have a hole story done on him. To
> me, he is just an everyday person that found a way to play
> football that I don't think he'll get far with based on what
> I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish
> something all the time, and a second thought is not even
> given to it. We do it, and we're amazing. And the fact that
> he made such a big deal out of something like this, by this
> I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a
> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that
> was incredible that a blind person can do that. As Harry put
> it, that to me shows a bias there on the part of the writer
> or a misconception about us. People mingle with their peers
> and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought the
> whole thing was corny.
> > From David 
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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Thu Nov 12 15:23:28 2009
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:23:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Tech University
References: <1962A252A1924C14A8DCBDA54DE1C344@D9S238J1>
Message-ID: <4AFBD41A.2EDB.00BC.1@ngwmail.des.state.mn.us>

 
 
David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
(651) 642-0513  Office
(612) 730-7931  Cell
(651) 649-5927  Fax


>>> "Edward Bell" <ebell at latech.edu> 11/11/2009 6:48 AM >>>
Dear Professionals, 

Have you thought about obtaining a graduate degree in the area of
blindness? Are you interested in learning more about what we have to
offer you at Louisiana Tech University? Want to see our students in
action? 

Click this link to watch our video on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFPj09kTxqY 
 

From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 19:34:37 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:34:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Notetaker Comparison
Message-ID: <32D2DFD79256401C929A5C6A9F557686@Rufus>

Hello,

I've uploaded a notetaker comparison spreadsheet, which you can now download
from the link below.  It's offered from HumanWare.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1510865/Notetaker_Comparison.xls

Joe Orozco

"A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the
crowd."--Max Lucado
 

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 21:50:50 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:50:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces
	officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
Message-ID: <409c235c0911121350s5d2eaf26hb183e6c4f46a4adc@mail.gmail.com>

I found  this to be  fitting considering the  most recent holiday.  I
hope you  enjoy and  great discussion comes from this.
 Darian


Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces officer set to
inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

By
ASHLEY COOK
The Lufkin Daily News

Wednesday, November 11, 2009

An exploding mortar from Iraqi insurgents may have robbed him of his
sight, but it didn't darken U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro's clear vision
of his future.

The only blind member in active duty with Special Forces, he is one of
a handful of blind active duty soldiers in the entire country. Castro,
who among
other things runs marathons and advocates for rehabilitation services
in addition to his career with Special Forces, will be sharing his
story — his determination
to never quit — as an inspiration to others at the Veterans Day
program at 10 a.m. today at Huntington High School.

U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro is the only blind member of Special
Forces. Injured in a mortar attack in Iraq in 2006, he has since run a
number of marathons
and advocated for better rehabilitation services for the blind while
also serving in active duty. He is the keynote speaker at today's
Veterans Day event
at Huntington High School.

And making the event even more meaningful, Castro will be reuniting
with several of his brothers in arms as several members of his platoon
are flying in
for the program.

In September 2006, Castro was serving in Iraq as a first lieutenant.
During a battle with insurgents, a mortar round exploded a few feet
from him, killing
two men and injuring Castro. Shrapnel tore through his body, damaging
his shoulder, breaking his arm, fracturing facial bones and collapsing
his lungs,
according to a narrative written by Tony Santiago.

Sgt. Travis Womack, now serving as a U.S. Army recruiter in Lufkin,
was there the day in Iraq when Castro was injured.

"He was my personal lieutenant. I was there when he got blinded in
combat," Womack said.

In a special reunion, most of Castro's platoon will be flying in from
all over the country to attend the ceremony in Huntington, Womack
said.

"It's going to be awesome. I've only seen him once since that day. For
most of the guys, it's the same way," Womack said. "The last time we
saw him was
in the helicopter. They day we got back from deployment he was there,
and it was pretty cool."

Shortly after his injuries in Iraq, Castro was stateside again at a
U.S. Naval hospital in Maryland. He had a finger amputated due to
extensive blast damage.
His right eye was blown away, and he had metal fragments in his left.

"Doctors questioned whether Castro would make it through another
week," Santiago wrote.

Two months after his injury, he was in a hospital bed with no idea of
what to do next, when he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing two
upcoming military
marathons. That's when he decided to make running both of them his
goal. Since then, he has completed both, and more.

"Since then, he's been determined to stay in the Army and find a way
to serve. He went back to Special Forces, and he's run the Boston
Marathon, the Marine
Marathon, among others. The Bataan (Memorial) Death March (Marathon) —
a 26-mile road march," Womack said.

Castro's motto is, "I'll never quit," according to Womack.

Castro was promoted to captain in April 2007. He continues to run
marathons, and serves as executive officer of the 7th Special Forces
Group at Fort Bragg.
Additionally, he and his wife, Evelyn, support and participate in
sporting events hosted by the Blinded Veterans Association.

Castro is an advocate for rehabilitation funding for the blind, and
has visited members of Congress in his quest, according to Santiago.

Castro has numerous awards and decorations, including the Purple
Heart, Army Commendation and Meritorious Service medals. He was
awarded a plaque in Braille
at the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center in Augusta, Ga., thanking him
for his continued service.

The event today begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the community. Emcee
is Danny Merrell, from KYKS 105. Veterans are invited to arrive at 9
a.m. for coffee
and registration. Valet parking is offered to arriving veterans.
Veterans are invited to stay for a complimentary meal after the event.

Huntington ISD Superintendent Eric Wright said the program is one of
the district's signature events, because it includes their No. 1
mission of producing
high quality, productive citizens, and gives the district and the
community an opportunity to thank veterans and active duty military
"for their sacrifices
which have allowed all of us to enjoy the freedoms we have and to live
in the greatest country in the world."

The district is able through the event to integrate patriotism along
with history, fine arts, graphic design and more into its curriculum.

"Our soldiers and former soldiers are our heroes and for at least one
day per year, we get to express our appreciation," Wright said.

Wright thanked J'Nelle Short, program coordinator, for her hard work
and dedication to the event, for making a program that seems better
and better each
year. Wright added that he was pleased the students will have an
opportunity to listen to Castro, a decorated veteran who is an
inspiration with such a
"can-do" spirit.


-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 22:15:50 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:15:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special
	Forcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
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Now that's a good article right there. No bias, no suggestions of any doubt, 
just tells the story of a truly inspirational human being. When I read this, 
I thought of the first day of general session at national this year when all 
the army vets were introduced on the stage. Good stuff. 


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From: albertyoo1 at hotmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:11:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] has any one heard of the movie Behind Unseen Eyes? Anthony
	Gilmore
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 23:25:39 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:25:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special
	Forces	officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
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I think that is very cool he hasn't given up.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:51 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces
officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

I found  this to be  fitting considering the  most recent holiday.  I
hope you  enjoy and  great discussion comes from this.
 Darian


Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces officer set to
inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

By
ASHLEY COOK
The Lufkin Daily News

Wednesday, November 11, 2009

An exploding mortar from Iraqi insurgents may have robbed him of his
sight, but it didn't darken U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro's clear vision
of his future.

The only blind member in active duty with Special Forces, he is one of
a handful of blind active duty soldiers in the entire country. Castro,
who among
other things runs marathons and advocates for rehabilitation services
in addition to his career with Special Forces, will be sharing his
story - his determination
to never quit - as an inspiration to others at the Veterans Day
program at 10 a.m. today at Huntington High School.

U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro is the only blind member of Special
Forces. Injured in a mortar attack in Iraq in 2006, he has since run a
number of marathons
and advocated for better rehabilitation services for the blind while
also serving in active duty. He is the keynote speaker at today's
Veterans Day event
at Huntington High School.

And making the event even more meaningful, Castro will be reuniting
with several of his brothers in arms as several members of his platoon
are flying in
for the program.

In September 2006, Castro was serving in Iraq as a first lieutenant.
During a battle with insurgents, a mortar round exploded a few feet
from him, killing
two men and injuring Castro. Shrapnel tore through his body, damaging
his shoulder, breaking his arm, fracturing facial bones and collapsing
his lungs,
according to a narrative written by Tony Santiago.

Sgt. Travis Womack, now serving as a U.S. Army recruiter in Lufkin,
was there the day in Iraq when Castro was injured.

"He was my personal lieutenant. I was there when he got blinded in
combat," Womack said.

In a special reunion, most of Castro's platoon will be flying in from
all over the country to attend the ceremony in Huntington, Womack
said.

"It's going to be awesome. I've only seen him once since that day. For
most of the guys, it's the same way," Womack said. "The last time we
saw him was
in the helicopter. They day we got back from deployment he was there,
and it was pretty cool."

Shortly after his injuries in Iraq, Castro was stateside again at a
U.S. Naval hospital in Maryland. He had a finger amputated due to
extensive blast damage.
His right eye was blown away, and he had metal fragments in his left.

"Doctors questioned whether Castro would make it through another
week," Santiago wrote.

Two months after his injury, he was in a hospital bed with no idea of
what to do next, when he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing two
upcoming military
marathons. That's when he decided to make running both of them his
goal. Since then, he has completed both, and more.

"Since then, he's been determined to stay in the Army and find a way
to serve. He went back to Special Forces, and he's run the Boston
Marathon, the Marine
Marathon, among others. The Bataan (Memorial) Death March (Marathon) -
a 26-mile road march," Womack said.

Castro's motto is, "I'll never quit," according to Womack.

Castro was promoted to captain in April 2007. He continues to run
marathons, and serves as executive officer of the 7th Special Forces
Group at Fort Bragg.
Additionally, he and his wife, Evelyn, support and participate in
sporting events hosted by the Blinded Veterans Association.

Castro is an advocate for rehabilitation funding for the blind, and
has visited members of Congress in his quest, according to Santiago.

Castro has numerous awards and decorations, including the Purple
Heart, Army Commendation and Meritorious Service medals. He was
awarded a plaque in Braille
at the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center in Augusta, Ga., thanking him
for his continued service.

The event today begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the community. Emcee
is Danny Merrell, from KYKS 105. Veterans are invited to arrive at 9
a.m. for coffee
and registration. Valet parking is offered to arriving veterans.
Veterans are invited to stay for a complimentary meal after the event.

Huntington ISD Superintendent Eric Wright said the program is one of
the district's signature events, because it includes their No. 1
mission of producing
high quality, productive citizens, and gives the district and the
community an opportunity to thank veterans and active duty military
"for their sacrifices
which have allowed all of us to enjoy the freedoms we have and to live
in the greatest country in the world."

The district is able through the event to integrate patriotism along
with history, fine arts, graphic design and more into its curriculum.

"Our soldiers and former soldiers are our heroes and for at least one
day per year, we get to express our appreciation," Wright said.

Wright thanked J'Nelle Short, program coordinator, for her hard work
and dedication to the event, for making a program that seems better
and better each
year. Wright added that he was pleased the students will have an
opportunity to listen to Castro, a decorated veteran who is an
inspiration with such a
"can-do" spirit.


-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama

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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 03:21:04 2009
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:21:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured on
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1258048803.18414.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.23.1258048803.18414.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <2698456D178648BF975412E156E4E8C8@VALUED04C3B21F>

I think it is great that he is out there getting involved with a sport and
making friends. This said, it is not news worthy. If he found a way to play
effectively or be good at it, that might warrant a news article. I myself
played football my freshman year in high school. Aside from blocking for
field goals, I found no aspect of the game where I could compete on an even
footing with the sighted kids. Defense is the most difficult of all, given
that the name of the game is assess and react. If you cannot assess, you are
in trouble. Unless you can use hearing or other senses to gauge what the
blocking scheme is, where the play is going and who has the ball, you will
not be successful.

Again, it's great that he gets out there and does it. I understand that. I
love football and played just to get out and be one of the guys. He isn't
breaking ground here. Any number of us could surely run ahead when somebody
told us to or slapped us on the leg. Just as it shouldn't be news when a
blind athlete succeeds in a sport, such as wrestling, where it is known and
accepted that blind people can compete, it should not be news that somebody,
blind or sighted, attempts something. I fear this is a case of the low
expectations of the reporter and society at large, where we are often
"brave" or "amazing" just for trying.

I can't stress enough that I have no beef with the kid doing it. Good for
him. Just keep it out of my newspaper.

Sean



From marrie12 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 03:49:26 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:49:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Kapsys Signs an Agreement with Independent Living
	Aids
In-Reply-To: <auto-000126862230@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <B2B44179C9FB49B693F2362532BB2701@sarahcomp>

But I heard on a blog post  that the kaptain is a bit confusing and there is
little speech output.

Here is the link.

http://bit.ly/1MCX1l

Take care.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Andrews
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 5:44 PM
To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Kapsys Signs an Agreement with Independent Living
Aids


>From: "Stephen Guerra" <stephen at independentliving.com>
>To: "'David Andrews'" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Kapsys Signs an Agreement with Independent Living Aids
>Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 08:42:43 -0600
>KAPTEN, the first voice-controlled GPS, will be distributed in the USA 
>through Independent Living Aids, retailer of blind, low vision, and 
>hearing loss products.
>http://www.prweb.com/images_v4/quote_left.gif
><http://www.independentliving.com>The Kapten voice-controlled GPS is 
>the most innovative product developed for the blind and low vision 
>community in recent years.
>http://www.prweb.com/images_v4/quote_right.gif
>
>
>Jericho, NY (<http://www.prweb.com/>PRWEB) November 9, 2009 -- Kapsys, 
>an innovative French company and inventor of the first voice-controlled 
>GPS, announces a partnership with Independent Living Aids, one of the 
>largest distributors of products for the blind and visually impaired in 
>the US. This agreement is intended to develop distribution and market 
>share in the United States. Launched in October
>2008 in France, Kapten is currently distributed in western European 
>countries such as the UK, Spain, Italy and Germany. Now, the first 
>voice interactive GPS for smart urbanites will be available for larger 
>networks of distribution in the US.
>Kapten Personal GPS Voice Navigator
>Kapten Personal GPS Voice Navigator
>
>“Our collaboration with Independent Living Aids sets the path of our 
>development in the US. We are confident that we have the right partner 
>to expand our distribution network in America”, says Marc Tastayre, 
>Kapsys’ Sales and Marketing Director.
>
>Irwin Schneidmill, President of ILA says, “We are excited to have this 
>opportunity to work with Kapsys. The Kapten voice-controlled GPS is the 
>most innovative product developed for the blind and low vision 
>community in recent years.
>We are confident the Kapten will be well received and anticipate 
>tremendous sales in the US market.”
>
>The revolution
>
>§  Kapsys has revolutionized the market by introducing the very first 
>smart urban navigator with no screen.
>§  The ultra-compact Kapten is 100% voice interactive, weighs 50 g and 
>has a credit card format.
>§  Kapten is more than a GPS. It’s a multi-transport navigator.
>§  Kapten adapts to the way you get around­on foot, bicycle, 
>motorcycle, public transportation or car. It automatically adjusts your 
>itinerary and directs you using the navigation mode you choose with a 
>simple voice command.
>§  Kapten is also an MP3 player, an FM radio and a hands-free kit for 
>your mobile phones.
>
>
>About Kapsys
>Created in 2007 by Aram Hekimian, Kapsys is a 
>young, innovative company based in Southeast 
>France. Kapsys designs, develops and markets 
>voice-centric solutions for personal mobility 
>and navigation. Kapsys launches Kapten, the 
>first voice GPS for smart urbanites featuring: 
>multi transport navigation, geo-tagging, audio 
>guide, MP3 player, FM radio, and community website platform.
>
>790, avenue du Dr Maurice Donat - Le Marco Polo 
>A1, 06 250 Mougins Sophia Antipolis – France / 
>Tel : +33 4 92 28 88 88 / Fax : +33 4 92 28 88 
>89 / <http://www.kapsys.com>www.kapsys.com
>
>About Independent Living Aids, LLC
>Independent Living Aids, LLC is the oldest 
>privately-held mail-order company in the United 
>States with products for individuals who are 
>visually impaired or blind. With over 30 years 
>of experience providing essential aids with 
>superb service, ila has become a trusted source 
>of products for this community. All items 
>offered are carefully selected, quality products 
>sold at reasonable prices. Helping customers 
>remain independent is the goal, and every item 
>is chosen with that goal in mind.
>
>200 Robbins Lane, Jericho, New York 11753 (516) 937-1848
>
>###
>
>
>
>Link:
>
>
>
>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2009/11/prweb3173004.htm



From ccook01 at knology.net  Fri Nov 13 04:01:16 2009
From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:01:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJGEMMCJAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <5419E4B22B724C548129EE75259915A1@JBSLAGLE>

I have not seen this.

Corey Cook
Facebook,
ccook01 at knology.net
Blog
blindrants.blogspot.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rachel Becker 
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


  I have had problems with mobile facebook too today.
  Rachel

  -----Original Message-----
  From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
  Behalf Of Jennifer Aberdeen
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 1:45 PM
  To: NABS-L
  Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


  Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile facebook
  site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the file.
  Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.

  What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.

  Jen
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From ccook01 at knology.net  Fri Nov 13 04:16:51 2009
From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:16:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway>
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it seems to be working now

Corey Cook
Facebook,
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Blog
blindrants.blogspot.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rania 
  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
  Rania,
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


  > Hi Serena,
  >
  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular facebook 
  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of 
  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well. If 
  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the 
  > problem.
  >
  > Jen
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
  >
  >
  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same 
  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is 
  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus only 
  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on here. 
  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was 
  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the 
  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for 
  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
  >>
  >> Serena
  >>
  >>
  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
  >>
  >>
  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really 
  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
  >>>
  >>> Jen
  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
  >>>>
  >>>> -----Original Message-----
  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
  >>>> Behalf
  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
  >>>> To: NABS-L
  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
  >>>>
  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile 
  >>>> facebook
  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the 
  >>>> file.
  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
  >>>>
  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
  >>>>
  >>>> Jen
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Nov 13 05:36:13 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:36:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player.
	(asfeatured	onESPN360)
Message-ID: <20091113053613.24203.34163@web3.serotek.com>

Oh, there's no doubt about that. Sighted people do tend to be, excuse 
the pun, short sighted about our abilities. On the other hand, they are 
learning and they'll continue to learn if we give the chance and 
opportunity. Does that mean that we should put ourselves on display and 
make a big deal of things for their educational benefit? No. Absolutely 
not and you'll never hear me advocate that. However, this kid has an 
opportunity to show what blind kids can do, and it sounds like he's 
headed for a career in football whether it's on the field or on the 
cameras. In either case, his is one more example of what we can be 
expected to do. The more sighted peoeple become aware of us, the easier 
it is for them to believe that we're normal and just like them. Yes, 
they may continue to see us as both supernatural and subhuman at the 
same time for quite some time. But little steps do matter a great deal. 
While they did make that kid seem much more amazing that he is, he at 
least understands that he's just a normal kid which is saying 
something. Am I making sense?

Respectfully Submitted


Original message:
> I have to agree with Dave's salient points.  Those same people who find 
> us "so amazing" will quickly turn around and make statements such as 
> "how do you know" "you can not see" or deny us employment, housing, etc.


> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:

>> From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured 
>> onESPN360)
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:27 AM
>> I guess I'm just put off by this
>> whole perception of how amazing we are in the eyes of others
>> when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can
>> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person
>> is a super hero who should have a hole story done on him. To
>> me, he is just an everyday person that found a way to play
>> football that I don't think he'll get far with based on what
>> I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
>> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish
>> something all the time, and a second thought is not even
>> given to it. We do it, and we're amazing. And the fact that
>> he made such a big deal out of something like this, by this
>> I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a
>> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that
>> was incredible that a blind person can do that. As Harry put
>> it, that to me shows a bias there on the part of the writer
>> or a misconception about us. People mingle with their peers
>> and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought the
>> whole thing was corny.
>>> From David


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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 07:08:30 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 23:08:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured
	onESPN360)
In-Reply-To: <20091113053613.24203.34163@web3.serotek.com>
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 good points.  But, when  is something considered an accomplishment
worth celebrating, and when is something  nothing a blind  person
wouldn't do?
 Best,
  Darian


On 11/12/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
> Oh, there's no doubt about that. Sighted people do tend to be, excuse
> the pun, short sighted about our abilities. On the other hand, they are
> learning and they'll continue to learn if we give the chance and
> opportunity. Does that mean that we should put ourselves on display and
> make a big deal of things for their educational benefit? No. Absolutely
> not and you'll never hear me advocate that. However, this kid has an
> opportunity to show what blind kids can do, and it sounds like he's
> headed for a career in football whether it's on the field or on the
> cameras. In either case, his is one more example of what we can be
> expected to do. The more sighted peoeple become aware of us, the easier
> it is for them to believe that we're normal and just like them. Yes,
> they may continue to see us as both supernatural and subhuman at the
> same time for quite some time. But little steps do matter a great deal.
> While they did make that kid seem much more amazing that he is, he at
> least understands that he's just a normal kid which is saying
> something. Am I making sense?
>
> Respectfully Submitted
>
>
> Original message:
>> I have to agree with Dave's salient points.  Those same people who find
>> us "so amazing" will quickly turn around and make statements such as
>> "how do you know" "you can not see" or deny us employment, housing, etc.
>
>
>> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (asfeatured
>>> onESPN360)
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:27 AM
>>> I guess I'm just put off by this
>>> whole perception of how amazing we are in the eyes of others
>>> when it comes out that we can do something. A guy who can
>>> see finds out a blind person plays football, and that person
>>> is a super hero who should have a hole story done on him. To
>>> me, he is just an everyday person that found a way to play
>>> football that I don't think he'll get far with based on what
>>> I heard in the article. Sighted people find ways and
>>> solutions to problems of how they're going to accomplish
>>> something all the time, and a second thought is not even
>>> given to it. We do it, and we're amazing. And the fact that
>>> he made such a big deal out of something like this, by this
>>> I mean mingling with his peers, whether it was by playing a
>>> sport or what ever, suggests that the writer thought that
>>> was incredible that a blind person can do that. As Harry put
>>> it, that to me shows a bias there on the part of the writer
>>> or a misconception about us. People mingle with their peers
>>> and find ways to have fun everyday. I personally thought the
>>> whole thing was corny.
>>>> From David
>
>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Fri Nov 13 14:39:00 2009
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:39:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Charlie Wilks- blind football player. (as featured on
In-Reply-To: <2698456D178648BF975412E156E4E8C8@VALUED04C3B21F>
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However, all of this does avoid the question that was raised yesterday.  What is normal to us regarding our blindness is not normal to society at large.  How do we 
convey the fact that some of us found ways to participate in athletics to society so that particularly the parents of other blind kids become aware of it.  I'd be willing to 
bet that most of society doesn't know that many of us competed in wrestling, even against sighted kids.  <smile>  In my mind, what is key is not whether expectations 
are low resulting in making something bigger than it is, what is the most important is if it conveys something meaningful to the public.  It is also important that the 
person about whom such a thing is written keeps it in perspective.  We can try to get good articles about what blind people can do printed in our own magazines 
including those for parents, but the fact is that something in the general media is more accepted to many people.  We definitely need to watch that such things are 
written tastefully and accurately.  For example, if the thrust of this publicity was that the guy could play football due to his extra powers as a blind person, that 
wouldn't be good.  Also, in my own mind, articles on blind guys in wrestling where the playing field is relatively level would be preferred, but maybe that's because I 
was a wrestler.  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:21:04 -0500, Sean Whalen wrote:

>I think it is great that he is out there getting involved with a sport and
>making friends. This said, it is not news worthy. If he found a way to play
>effectively or be good at it, that might warrant a news article. I myself
>played football my freshman year in high school. Aside from blocking for
>field goals, I found no aspect of the game where I could compete on an even
>footing with the sighted kids. Defense is the most difficult of all, given
>that the name of the game is assess and react. If you cannot assess, you are
>in trouble. Unless you can use hearing or other senses to gauge what the
>blocking scheme is, where the play is going and who has the ball, you will
>not be successful.

>Again, it's great that he gets out there and does it. I understand that. I
>love football and played just to get out and be one of the guys. He isn't
>breaking ground here. Any number of us could surely run ahead when somebody
>told us to or slapped us on the leg. Just as it shouldn't be news when a
>blind athlete succeeds in a sport, such as wrestling, where it is known and
>accepted that blind people can compete, it should not be news that somebody,
>blind or sighted, attempts something. I fear this is a case of the low
>expectations of the reporter and society at large, where we are often
>"brave" or "amazing" just for trying.

>I can't stress enough that I have no beef with the kid doing it. Good for
>him. Just keep it out of my newspaper.

>Sean


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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 19:40:32 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:40:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
	<E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE>
Message-ID: <001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene>

I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your 
computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't 
occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can 
on your  computer.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> it seems to be working now
>
> Corey Cook
> Facebook,
> ccook01 at knology.net
> Blog
> blindrants.blogspot.com
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Rania
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>  Rania,
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>  > Hi Serena,
>  >
>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular 
> facebook
>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of
>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well. 
> If
>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>  > problem.
>  >
>  > Jen
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >
>  >
>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same
>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus 
> only
>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on 
> here.
>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>  >>
>  >> Serena
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really
>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>  >>>
>  >>> Jen
>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
> On
>  >>>> Behalf
>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>  >>>> facebook
>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>  >>>> file.
>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Jen
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 20:38:33 2009
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:38:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE>
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I'm using my computer to try and access mobile facebook. It's still not 
right for me either.

Jen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your 
>computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't 
>occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can 
>on your  computer.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>> it seems to be working now
>>
>> Corey Cook
>> Facebook,
>> ccook01 at knology.net
>> Blog
>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Rania
>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>  Rania,
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  > Hi Serena,
>>  >
>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular 
>> facebook
>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>> Of
>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>> well. If
>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>>  > problem.
>>  >
>>  > Jen
>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>> same
>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus 
>> only
>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on 
>> here.
>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>  >>
>>  >> Serena
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>> really
>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Jen
>>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> On
>>  >>>> Behalf
>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>  >>>> facebook
>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>>  >>>> file.
>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Jen
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 20:54:23 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:54:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
In-Reply-To: <FE8D813390094ECDBEFE19464F50DAAD@Gateway>
Message-ID: <F557F7539E194EB3B6EEA001F2485787@sarahcomp>

Actully whenI use www.solona.net to try and solve one of there captchas ont
here they can't see it and it does  have something to do with IE7. we just
don't kow what's wrong but other then that the site is very usible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jennifer Aberdeen
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site

I'm using my computer to try and access mobile facebook. It's still not
right for me either.

Jen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your 
>computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't 
>occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can 
>on your  computer.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>> it seems to be working now
>>
>> Corey Cook
>> Facebook,
>> ccook01 at knology.net
>> Blog
>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Rania
>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>  Rania,
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  > Hi Serena,
>>  >
>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular 
>> facebook
>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>> Of
>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>> well. If
>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>>  > problem.
>>  >
>>  > Jen
>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>> same
>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus 
>> only
>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on 
>> here.
>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>  >>
>>  >> Serena
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>> really
>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Jen
>>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>> On
>>  >>>> Behalf
>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>  >>>> facebook
>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>>  >>>> file.
>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Jen
>>  >>>> _______________________________________________
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Fri Nov 13 21:26:51 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:26:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE><001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene>
	<FE8D813390094ECDBEFE19464F50DAAD@Gateway>
Message-ID: <002101ca64a8$03f7df60$0301a8c0@Serene>

I wonder if the person who said it was working was using his cell phone.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> I'm using my computer to try and access mobile facebook. It's still not 
> right for me either.
>
> Jen
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>>I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your 
>>computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't 
>>occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can 
>>on your  computer.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>> it seems to be working now
>>>
>>> Corey Cook
>>> Facebook,
>>> ccook01 at knology.net
>>> Blog
>>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: Rania
>>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>>  Rania,
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Hi Serena,
>>>  >
>>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular 
>>> facebook
>>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>>> Of
>>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>>> well. If
>>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing 
>>> the
>>>  > problem.
>>>  >
>>>  > Jen
>>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>>> same
>>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus 
>>> only
>>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on 
>>> here.
>>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I 
>>> was
>>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with 
>>> the
>>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Serena
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>>> really
>>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> Jen
>>>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>> On
>>>  >>>> Behalf
>>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>>  >>>> facebook
>>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save 
>>> the
>>>  >>>> file.
>>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> Jen
>>>  >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>  >>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>  >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> for
>>>  >>>> nabs-l:
>>>  >>>> 
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>>>  >>>> .com
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>>
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From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Fri Nov 13 23:31:27 2009
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:31:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
In-Reply-To: <001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJCENECJAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

I have been having problems too. When I go to the mobile cite, I get an
error message that ie can't download the file. Has anyone else had this
problem?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Serena
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:41 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your
computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't
occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can
on your  computer.

Serena


----- Original Message -----
From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> it seems to be working now
>
> Corey Cook
> Facebook,
> ccook01 at knology.net
> Blog
> blindrants.blogspot.com
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Rania
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>  Rania,
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>  > Hi Serena,
>  >
>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular
> facebook
>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of
>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well.
> If
>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>  > problem.
>  >
>  > Jen
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >
>  >
>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same
>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus
> only
>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on
> here.
>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>  >>
>  >> Serena
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message -----
>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really
>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>  >>>
>  >>> Jen
>  >>> ----- Original Message -----
>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>  >>>> Behalf
>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>  >>>> facebook
>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>  >>>> file.
>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>  >>>>
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From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Sat Nov 14 00:58:32 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:58:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
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Message-ID: <00DA4DFAC06D4AECBBB6F982A8B5009F@useripvq7z5u3t>


        For what it is worth, I logged onto the moble FB site through IE-8 
and Firefox 3.5.3 and had no problems, and was not prompted to download 
anything.

Patrick

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rachel Becker" <Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I have been having problems too. When I go to the mobile cite, I get an
> error message that ie can't download the file. Has anyone else had this
> problem?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Serena
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
> I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your
> computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't
> occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can
> on your  computer.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>> it seems to be working now
>>
>> Corey Cook
>> Facebook,
>> ccook01 at knology.net
>> Blog
>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Rania
>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>  Rania,
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  > Hi Serena,
>>  >
>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular
>> facebook
>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>> Of
>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>> well.
>> If
>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>>  > problem.
>>  >
>>  > Jen
>>  > ----- Original Message -----
>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>> same
>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus
>> only
>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on
>> here.
>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>  >>
>>  >> Serena
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> ----- Original Message -----
>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>> really
>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Jen
>>  >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>  >>>> Behalf
>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>  >>>> facebook
>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>>  >>>> file.
>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Jen
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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 14 04:00:17 2009
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:00:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
References: <639107.60846.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8E87E07BA3E742B9B7315A196A50AC30@windows4c0ed96>

Dear Harry, Thanks for your illuminating answer  to my earlier question re 
spanish translation programs.  My spanish needs to be refurbished, and I 
wanted to ask you if you could recommend some Spanish phrasebooks for me as 
a  good starting point.  In print, there are great  sounding phrase books I 
have seen like "just Enough Spanish" and "Street Spanish",  "Spanish for 
housewives" and on and on.  When I went to find some phrasebooks  I could 
use as a visually impaired person , I seemed to have little luck.  My idea 
in getting some phrasebooks is that the verbs are already conjugated in a 
constructed phrase, and the grammar and syntax can be modeled, so it is a 
good memory jogger.  Living in Southern California, I find my vocabulary for 
nouns and adjectives is still not bad, it is just the grammar I want to work 
on.  So if you know of any Spanish phrasebooks that are accessible, I would 
be very pleased.   I think I am  an intermediate to advanced level right now 
in Spanish. Take care, Ginnie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation


Hello,

Without going into great complicated detail, the bottom line is this:

Dictionaries, online translators, and other translation software packages 
are used mainly to translate a short word or common phrase and are not 
designed to translate longer passages of texts such as plays, novels, 
essays, and the like.  No tool exists to meet this need for a very simple 
reason:  the human translator is always superior to a computer for the 
reason that a human can select the phrasing that works within a given 
context, a nonstandard but nevertheless appropriate phrasal verb 
construction in place of a more generalized and widely comprehended single 
two-partEnglish verb (i.e. to manage vs. to deal with), and, also, the less 
widely understood but equally important reason--culture.  Culture plays a 
vital role in foreign language text translation, literary interpretation, 
and sociological context.  A very simple example of this may be seen with 
idiomatic expressions:  it's raining cats and dogs, give me a break, take a 
load off, etc.  Each of
 these expressions will have their own variations in a given foreign 
language, and this results from the way the people, who collectively form 
the culture, interpret their environment.  The environment, of course, is 
effected by geography, climate, livestock, varieties of foodstuffs, and so 
forth.
Now.  Was that sufficiently far more than you wanted to know?  <smile>


If you've any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either on 
or off list at harryhogue at yahoo.com.

Best,

Harry Hogue

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:22 PM
> Dear list, Does anyone have any
> advice on seeking Spanish to English translations on
> line? I am enrolled in a three unit college classin
> Chicano Literature here in San Diego, California.
> While most of the texts were written in English or are in
> translation to English, a couple of the texts have
> sizeable Spanish passages interspersed within the
> English text. For example, in the works of Luis
> Valdez, his acto or short play called Soldado Razo is mostly
> Spanish, and without knowing the language, you miss most of
> the characterization and plotline. I was lucky enough
> to find a bilingual student to translate the short playfor
> me, but I wonder if there is a way to translate spanish
> passages into English that is better than the google
> language tool I have tried on the main page of Google.
> I have taken a fair amount of Spanish, but it is a bit
> rusty. Most of the class is bilingual, so I
> am finding it interesting to experience, even in a minor
> way, the obstacles faced by many ESL students on a daily
> basis. Thanks for any thoughts on a translation
> program or utility, Ginnie
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Sat Nov 14 13:51:08 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:51:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
References: <639107.60846.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8E87E07BA3E742B9B7315A196A50AC30@windows4c0ed96>
Message-ID: <D0120B8788A74BF98BB7866DE7C93048@Hope>

Wow, Harry. Wonderful explanation!!! <smile> Also, the Spanish translators 
oftentimes don't properly consider noun/verb agreement or gender of words.
Hope and Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "V Nork" <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation


> Dear Harry, Thanks for your illuminating answer  to my earlier question re 
> spanish translation programs.  My spanish needs to be refurbished, and I 
> wanted to ask you if you could recommend some Spanish phrasebooks for me 
> as a  good starting point.  In print, there are great  sounding phrase 
> books I have seen like "just Enough Spanish" and "Street Spanish", 
> "Spanish for housewives" and on and on.  When I went to find some 
> phrasebooks  I could use as a visually impaired person , I seemed to have 
> little luck.  My idea in getting some phrasebooks is that the verbs are 
> already conjugated in a constructed phrase, and the grammar and syntax can 
> be modeled, so it is a good memory jogger.  Living in Southern California, 
> I find my vocabulary for nouns and adjectives is still not bad, it is just 
> the grammar I want to work on.  So if you know of any Spanish phrasebooks 
> that are accessible, I would be very pleased.   I think I am  an 
> intermediate to advanced level right now in Spanish. Take care, Ginnie
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
>
>
> Hello,
>
> Without going into great complicated detail, the bottom line is this:
>
> Dictionaries, online translators, and other translation software packages 
> are used mainly to translate a short word or common phrase and are not 
> designed to translate longer passages of texts such as plays, novels, 
> essays, and the like.  No tool exists to meet this need for a very simple 
> reason:  the human translator is always superior to a computer for the 
> reason that a human can select the phrasing that works within a given 
> context, a nonstandard but nevertheless appropriate phrasal verb 
> construction in place of a more generalized and widely comprehended single 
> two-partEnglish verb (i.e. to manage vs. to deal with), and, also, the 
> less widely understood but equally important reason--culture.  Culture 
> plays a vital role in foreign language text translation, literary 
> interpretation, and sociological context.  A very simple example of this 
> may be seen with idiomatic expressions:  it's raining cats and dogs, give 
> me a break, take a load off, etc.  Each of
> these expressions will have their own variations in a given foreign 
> language, and this results from the way the people, who collectively form 
> the culture, interpret their environment.  The environment, of course, is 
> effected by geography, climate, livestock, varieties of foodstuffs, and so 
> forth.
> Now.  Was that sufficiently far more than you wanted to know?  <smile>
>
>
> If you've any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either 
> on or off list at harryhogue at yahoo.com.
>
> Best,
>
> Harry Hogue
>
> --- On Fri, 10/9/09, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> From: V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:22 PM
>> Dear list, Does anyone have any
>> advice on seeking Spanish to English translations on
>> line? I am enrolled in a three unit college classin
>> Chicano Literature here in San Diego, California.
>> While most of the texts were written in English or are in
>> translation to English, a couple of the texts have
>> sizeable Spanish passages interspersed within the
>> English text. For example, in the works of Luis
>> Valdez, his acto or short play called Soldado Razo is mostly
>> Spanish, and without knowing the language, you miss most of
>> the characterization and plotline. I was lucky enough
>> to find a bilingual student to translate the short playfor
>> me, but I wonder if there is a way to translate spanish
>> passages into English that is better than the google
>> language tool I have tried on the main page of Google.
>> I have taken a fair amount of Spanish, but it is a bit
>> rusty. Most of the class is bilingual, so I
>> am finding it interesting to experience, even in a minor
>> way, the obstacles faced by many ESL students on a daily
>> basis. Thanks for any thoughts on a translation
>> program or utility, Ginnie
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 15:26:50 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:26:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
In-Reply-To: <D0120B8788A74BF98BB7866DE7C93048@Hope>
Message-ID: <265933.9363.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

As to accessible phrase books, the simple answer is that I have never used one.  You will have good luck, however, if you google "Spanish phrases for travel," or "spanish+travel phrases, spanish phrases+staying in a hotel," etc.

Again, if you need any further help, please let me know.  Sorr yif I was late in replying, but I had almost forgotten about this post, to be perfectly honest.

Harry

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

> From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:51 AM
> Wow, Harry. Wonderful explanation!!!
> <smile> Also, the Spanish translators oftentimes don't
> properly consider noun/verb agreement or gender of words.
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Nork" <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> 
> 
> > Dear Harry, Thanks for your illuminating answer 
> to my earlier question re spanish translation
> programs.  My spanish needs to be refurbished, and I
> wanted to ask you if you could recommend some Spanish
> phrasebooks for me as a  good starting point.  In
> print, there are great  sounding phrase books I have
> seen like "just Enough Spanish" and "Street Spanish",
> "Spanish for housewives" and on and on.  When I went to
> find some phrasebooks  I could use as a visually
> impaired person , I seemed to have little luck.  My
> idea in getting some phrasebooks is that the verbs are
> already conjugated in a constructed phrase, and the grammar
> and syntax can be modeled, so it is a good memory
> jogger.  Living in Southern California, I find my
> vocabulary for nouns and adjectives is still not bad, it is
> just the grammar I want to work on.  So if you know of
> any Spanish phrasebooks that are accessible, I would be very
> pleased.   I think I am  an intermediate
> to advanced level right now in Spanish. Take care, Ginnie
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
> <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Without going into great complicated detail, the
> bottom line is this:
> > 
> > Dictionaries, online translators, and other
> translation software packages are used mainly to translate a
> short word or common phrase and are not designed to
> translate longer passages of texts such as plays, novels,
> essays, and the like.  No tool exists to meet this need
> for a very simple reason:  the human translator is
> always superior to a computer for the reason that a human
> can select the phrasing that works within a given context, a
> nonstandard but nevertheless appropriate phrasal verb
> construction in place of a more generalized and widely
> comprehended single two-partEnglish verb (i.e. to manage vs.
> to deal with), and, also, the less widely understood but
> equally important reason--culture.  Culture plays a
> vital role in foreign language text translation, literary
> interpretation, and sociological context.  A very
> simple example of this may be seen with idiomatic
> expressions:  it's raining cats and dogs, give me a
> break, take a load off, etc.  Each of
> > these expressions will have their own variations in a
> given foreign language, and this results from the way the
> people, who collectively form the culture, interpret their
> environment.  The environment, of course, is effected
> by geography, climate, livestock, varieties of foodstuffs,
> and so forth.
> > Now.  Was that sufficiently far more than you
> wanted to know?  <smile>
> > 
> > 
> > If you've any more questions, please do not hesitate
> to contact me either on or off list at harryhogue at yahoo.com.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Harry Hogue
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> >> From: V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:22 PM
> >> Dear list, Does anyone have any
> >> advice on seeking Spanish to English translations
> on
> >> line? I am enrolled in a three unit college
> classin
> >> Chicano Literature here in San Diego, California.
> >> While most of the texts were written in English or
> are in
> >> translation to English, a couple of the texts
> have
> >> sizeable Spanish passages interspersed within the
> >> English text. For example, in the works of Luis
> >> Valdez, his acto or short play called Soldado Razo
> is mostly
> >> Spanish, and without knowing the language, you
> miss most of
> >> the characterization and plotline. I was lucky
> enough
> >> to find a bilingual student to translate the short
> playfor
> >> me, but I wonder if there is a way to translate
> spanish
> >> passages into English that is better than the
> google
> >> language tool I have tried on the main page of
> Google.
> >> I have taken a fair amount of Spanish, but it is a
> bit
> >> rusty. Most of the class is bilingual, so I
> >> am finding it interesting to experience, even in a
> minor
> >> way, the obstacles faced by many ESL students on a
> daily
> >> basis. Thanks for any thoughts on a translation
> >> program or utility, Ginnie
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >    > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
> your
> >> account info for nabs-l:
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> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 14 17:27:11 2009
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:27:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
References: <265933.9363.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00BD21FD8D4B4555B7201A948094B4A3@windows4c0ed96>

Hi all, I am just wondering if anyone on the list  does know of any Spanish 
phrasebooks not for the sighted, but instead in braille, NLs, and RfB and D 
or other format  for those who cannot see print.  Especially this would be 
great if you had personal experience with one or more phrase books.  I did 
try one from RFB and D, but  it was not something I would recommend.  Thanks 
for any help, Ginnie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation


Hello,

As to accessible phrase books, the simple answer is that I have never used 
one.  You will have good luck, however, if you google "Spanish phrases for 
travel," or "spanish+travel phrases, spanish phrases+staying in a hotel," 
etc.

Again, if you need any further help, please let me know.  Sorr yif I was 
late in replying, but I had almost forgotten about this post, to be 
perfectly honest.

Harry

--- On Sat, 11/14/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

> From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 7:51 AM
> Wow, Harry. Wonderful explanation!!!
> <smile> Also, the Spanish translators oftentimes don't
> properly consider noun/verb agreement or gender of words.
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "V Nork" <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
>
>
> > Dear Harry, Thanks for your illuminating answer
> to my earlier question re spanish translation
> programs. My spanish needs to be refurbished, and I
> wanted to ask you if you could recommend some Spanish
> phrasebooks for me as a good starting point. In
> print, there are great sounding phrase books I have
> seen like "just Enough Spanish" and "Street Spanish",
> "Spanish for housewives" and on and on. When I went to
> find some phrasebooks I could use as a visually
> impaired person , I seemed to have little luck. My
> idea in getting some phrasebooks is that the verbs are
> already conjugated in a constructed phrase, and the grammar
> and syntax can be modeled, so it is a good memory
> jogger. Living in Southern California, I find my
> vocabulary for nouns and adjectives is still not bad, it is
> just the grammar I want to work on. So if you know of
> any Spanish phrasebooks that are accessible, I would be very
> pleased. I think I am an intermediate
> to advanced level right now in Spanish. Take care, Ginnie
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
> <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 8:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Without going into great complicated detail, the
> bottom line is this:
> >
> > Dictionaries, online translators, and other
> translation software packages are used mainly to translate a
> short word or common phrase and are not designed to
> translate longer passages of texts such as plays, novels,
> essays, and the like. No tool exists to meet this need
> for a very simple reason: the human translator is
> always superior to a computer for the reason that a human
> can select the phrasing that works within a given context, a
> nonstandard but nevertheless appropriate phrasal verb
> construction in place of a more generalized and widely
> comprehended single two-partEnglish verb (i.e. to manage vs.
> to deal with), and, also, the less widely understood but
> equally important reason--culture. Culture plays a
> vital role in foreign language text translation, literary
> interpretation, and sociological context. A very
> simple example of this may be seen with idiomatic
> expressions: it's raining cats and dogs, give me a
> break, take a load off, etc. Each of
> > these expressions will have their own variations in a
> given foreign language, and this results from the way the
> people, who collectively form the culture, interpret their
> environment. The environment, of course, is effected
> by geography, climate, livestock, varieties of foodstuffs,
> and so forth.
> > Now. Was that sufficiently far more than you
> wanted to know? <smile>
> >
> >
> > If you've any more questions, please do not hesitate
> to contact me either on or off list at harryhogue at yahoo.com.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Harry Hogue
> >
> > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:22 PM
> >> Dear list, Does anyone have any
> >> advice on seeking Spanish to English translations
> on
> >> line? I am enrolled in a three unit college
> classin
> >> Chicano Literature here in San Diego, California.
> >> While most of the texts were written in English or
> are in
> >> translation to English, a couple of the texts
> have
> >> sizeable Spanish passages interspersed within the
> >> English text. For example, in the works of Luis
> >> Valdez, his acto or short play called Soldado Razo
> is mostly
> >> Spanish, and without knowing the language, you
> miss most of
> >> the characterization and plotline. I was lucky
> enough
> >> to find a bilingual student to translate the short
> playfor
> >> me, but I wonder if there is a way to translate
> spanish
> >> passages into English that is better than the
> google
> >> language tool I have tried on the main page of
> Google.
> >> I have taken a fair amount of Spanish, but it is a
> bit
> >> rusty. Most of the class is bilingual, so I
> >> am finding it interesting to experience, even in a
> minor
> >> way, the obstacles faced by many ESL students on a
> daily
> >> basis. Thanks for any thoughts on a translation
> >> program or utility, Ginnie
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get
> your
> >> account info for nabs-l:
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> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 21:59:50 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:59:50 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: FW: Career Opportunities to pass onto our STEM
	students
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Hartle, Mary Jo" <mhartle at nfb.org>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:59:07 -0500
Subject: FW: Career Opportunities to pass onto our STEM students
To: nabs.president at gmail.com, Youth outreach projects  Support List
<youth-outreach at nfbnet.org>, youth-slam at nfbnet.org

HI all,
    Below in this message are some recruiting opportunities for careers
in STEM related fields.  There are a number of sites where these
recruitment seminars will be taking place.  This could also be a great
resource for future career aspirations.  Give it a look.
Thanks,
 Mary Jo T. Hartle



Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC

Director of Education

NFB Jernigan Institute





________________________________

From: Riccobono, Mark
Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 6:49 PM
To: Hartle, Mary Jo
Subject: Career Opportunities to pass onto our STEM students



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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 22:07:23 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:07:23 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] National Leadership Consortium in SensoryDisabilities
	Doctoral Fellowship Program Announced
Message-ID: <85ff10070911141407ve82a889y9849caf0540a55fb@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Hartle, Mary Jo" <mhartle at nfb.org>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:03:36 -0500
Subject: FW: [NCLVI] Corrected- National Leadership Consortium in
SensoryDisabilities Doctoral Fellowship Program Announced
To: nabs.president at gmail.com

Hi Ariel,
    Could you circulate this to the student listservs?  It is a PhD
program in blindness with a consortium that we've been trying to promote
as it seems like a fairly positive program as far as their attitudes
about blindness.  They try to partner with the NFB and bring students to
convention, etc. so we want to help spread the word about this program
and get more of our folks into the program and field of teaching blind
students.
Thanks,
Mary Jo T. Hartle



Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC

Director of Education

NFB Jernigan Institute



________________________________

From: Kathleen Huebner [mailto:Kathyh at salus.edu]
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:01 PM
To: Annette Carey; Jerry Petroff; Martha Kay Asti; Cindi Robinson; Betty
Beale; Tanni Anthony; Mark Campano; Beth Kennedy; Marta Sanabria; Chris
Jones; Julie Durando; Jan Day; Joanne Whitson; Anitia Shirin; Diane
Fazzi; Peg Cummins; Bob kretschmer; Derrick Smith; Stacy Kelly; Susan
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Subject: Corrected- National Leadership Consortium in
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Importance: High



Please see the attached announcement and please share it with all
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Kathleen M. Huebner, Ph.D.

Professor & Associate Dean

College of Education and Rehabilitation

Salus University

8360 Old York Road

Elkins Park, PA 19027

215 780-1361

kathyh at salus.edu



Fax 215-780-1357

Co-Director National Center for Leadership in Vision Impairment (NCLVI)
http://www.salus.edu/nclvi.htm



and

Chairperson, North American & Caribbean Region of International Council
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 00:31:46 2009
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:31:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
Message-ID: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>

I have played around with some friends' accounts on pandora, and can't
seem to figure it out with JAWS. Does it work with JAWS? Are there
other accessible radios that would be comparable to Pandora as far as
the amount of music available?

Cindy


From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 01:27:47 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:27:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0911141727q7cd712e3v2cac86c459247d46@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, the Performing Arts Division discussed Pandorah and
found it inaccessible.  As far as other radios go, I don't know.  I
heard that last.fm was accessible.
Beth

On 11/14/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have played around with some friends' accounts on pandora, and can't
> seem to figure it out with JAWS. Does it work with JAWS? Are there
> other accessible radios that would be comparable to Pandora as far as
> the amount of music available?
>
> Cindy
>
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From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 15 03:30:55 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:30:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0911141727q7cd712e3v2cac86c459247d46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <287B7F8F272F4AEF9DB77DC725E0CF7E@kevin9ee0841f6>

Go to Jango.com. It is a little complacted. But it is for the most part Jaws 
firnedly.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] internet radio


> As far as I know, the Performing Arts Division discussed Pandorah and
> found it inaccessible.  As far as other radios go, I don't know.  I
> heard that last.fm was accessible.
> Beth
>
> On 11/14/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have played around with some friends' accounts on pandora, and can't
>> seem to figure it out with JAWS. Does it work with JAWS? Are there
>> other accessible radios that would be comparable to Pandora as far as
>> the amount of music available?
>>
>> Cindy
>>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 03:56:12 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:56:12 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
In-Reply-To: <287B7F8F272F4AEF9DB77DC725E0CF7E@kevin9ee0841f6>
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>
	<4383d01d0911141727q7cd712e3v2cac86c459247d46@mail.gmail.com>
	<287B7F8F272F4AEF9DB77DC725E0CF7E@kevin9ee0841f6>
Message-ID: <85ff10070911141956n7e00e3d8vb3672f8acd18e47a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cindy and  all,

My sighted boyfriend really likes Pandora and convinced me to try it.
I was unable to create an account using JAWS, so he helped me set one
up. After I was still unable to navigate within my account, I
contacted Pandora tech support and they told me to go to
www.pandora.com/backstage
and search for music/build stations there. This is the HTML version of
Pandora so the search buttons are accessible. The tech people also
sent me a link to my personal page so once I create stations using
Backstage, I can select a station from my personal page using normal
Web navigation commands. I have been using Pandora successfully using
this workaround, although I still can't manipulate the radio tuner
once I've selected a station (I can't get into the Flash element to
skip songs, thumbs-up/thumbs-down songs or adjust the volume) and the
Pandora techies are out of ideas for that. Anyway, I'm not sure if you
can set up an account without sighted assistance, but you should be
able to get an account and page set up for you by contacting Pandora
tech support or get sighted help to set up your account and then
contact tech support to get the link to your personal page. The tech
guys also said they are working on these accessibility issues, so if
enough people bug them about it we might see some improvements.

Arielle

On 11/15/09, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Go to Jango.com. It is a little complacted. But it is for the most part Jaws
> firnedly.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] internet radio
>
>
>> As far as I know, the Performing Arts Division discussed Pandorah and
>> found it inaccessible.  As far as other radios go, I don't know.  I
>> heard that last.fm was accessible.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/14/09, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have played around with some friends' accounts on pandora, and can't
>>> seem to figure it out with JAWS. Does it work with JAWS? Are there
>>> other accessible radios that would be comparable to Pandora as far as
>>> the amount of music available?
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From dlawless86 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 05:16:47 2009
From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:16:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces
	officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
In-Reply-To: <4afc9977.22a0100a.20be.6a91@mx.google.com>
References: <409c235c0911121350s5d2eaf26hb183e6c4f46a4adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<4afc9977.22a0100a.20be.6a91@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <423e6e460911142116s7844cca1x18e838ba4e4841c7@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if anyone has told him about the NFB. I would love to hear
him speak in general session at convention.

Domonique

On 11/12/09, Alberto Arreola <alberto.2500 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that is very cool he hasn't given up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Darian Smith
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:51 PM
> To: cabs-talk; Nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces
> officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
>
> I found  this to be  fitting considering the  most recent holiday.  I
> hope you  enjoy and  great discussion comes from this.
>  Darian
>
>
> Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces officer set to
> inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
>
> By
> ASHLEY COOK
> The Lufkin Daily News
>
> Wednesday, November 11, 2009
>
> An exploding mortar from Iraqi insurgents may have robbed him of his
> sight, but it didn't darken U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro's clear vision
> of his future.
>
> The only blind member in active duty with Special Forces, he is one of
> a handful of blind active duty soldiers in the entire country. Castro,
> who among
> other things runs marathons and advocates for rehabilitation services
> in addition to his career with Special Forces, will be sharing his
> story - his determination
> to never quit - as an inspiration to others at the Veterans Day
> program at 10 a.m. today at Huntington High School.
>
> U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro is the only blind member of Special
> Forces. Injured in a mortar attack in Iraq in 2006, he has since run a
> number of marathons
> and advocated for better rehabilitation services for the blind while
> also serving in active duty. He is the keynote speaker at today's
> Veterans Day event
> at Huntington High School.
>
> And making the event even more meaningful, Castro will be reuniting
> with several of his brothers in arms as several members of his platoon
> are flying in
> for the program.
>
> In September 2006, Castro was serving in Iraq as a first lieutenant.
> During a battle with insurgents, a mortar round exploded a few feet
> from him, killing
> two men and injuring Castro. Shrapnel tore through his body, damaging
> his shoulder, breaking his arm, fracturing facial bones and collapsing
> his lungs,
> according to a narrative written by Tony Santiago.
>
> Sgt. Travis Womack, now serving as a U.S. Army recruiter in Lufkin,
> was there the day in Iraq when Castro was injured.
>
> "He was my personal lieutenant. I was there when he got blinded in
> combat," Womack said.
>
> In a special reunion, most of Castro's platoon will be flying in from
> all over the country to attend the ceremony in Huntington, Womack
> said.
>
> "It's going to be awesome. I've only seen him once since that day. For
> most of the guys, it's the same way," Womack said. "The last time we
> saw him was
> in the helicopter. They day we got back from deployment he was there,
> and it was pretty cool."
>
> Shortly after his injuries in Iraq, Castro was stateside again at a
> U.S. Naval hospital in Maryland. He had a finger amputated due to
> extensive blast damage.
> His right eye was blown away, and he had metal fragments in his left.
>
> "Doctors questioned whether Castro would make it through another
> week," Santiago wrote.
>
> Two months after his injury, he was in a hospital bed with no idea of
> what to do next, when he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing two
> upcoming military
> marathons. That's when he decided to make running both of them his
> goal. Since then, he has completed both, and more.
>
> "Since then, he's been determined to stay in the Army and find a way
> to serve. He went back to Special Forces, and he's run the Boston
> Marathon, the Marine
> Marathon, among others. The Bataan (Memorial) Death March (Marathon) -
> a 26-mile road march," Womack said.
>
> Castro's motto is, "I'll never quit," according to Womack.
>
> Castro was promoted to captain in April 2007. He continues to run
> marathons, and serves as executive officer of the 7th Special Forces
> Group at Fort Bragg.
> Additionally, he and his wife, Evelyn, support and participate in
> sporting events hosted by the Blinded Veterans Association.
>
> Castro is an advocate for rehabilitation funding for the blind, and
> has visited members of Congress in his quest, according to Santiago.
>
> Castro has numerous awards and decorations, including the Purple
> Heart, Army Commendation and Meritorious Service medals. He was
> awarded a plaque in Braille
> at the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center in Augusta, Ga., thanking him
> for his continued service.
>
> The event today begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the community. Emcee
> is Danny Merrell, from KYKS 105. Veterans are invited to arrive at 9
> a.m. for coffee
> and registration. Valet parking is offered to arriving veterans.
> Veterans are invited to stay for a complimentary meal after the event.
>
> Huntington ISD Superintendent Eric Wright said the program is one of
> the district's signature events, because it includes their No. 1
> mission of producing
> high quality, productive citizens, and gives the district and the
> community an opportunity to thank veterans and active duty military
> "for their sacrifices
> which have allowed all of us to enjoy the freedoms we have and to live
> in the greatest country in the world."
>
> The district is able through the event to integrate patriotism along
> with history, fine arts, graphic design and more into its curriculum.
>
> "Our soldiers and former soldiers are our heroes and for at least one
> day per year, we get to express our appreciation," Wright said.
>
> Wright thanked J'Nelle Short, program coordinator, for her hard work
> and dedication to the event, for making a program that seems better
> and better each
> year. Wright added that he was pleased the students will have an
> opportunity to listen to Castro, a decorated veteran who is an
> inspiration with such a
> "can-do" spirit.
>
>
> --
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Nov 15 06:22:24 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:22:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special
 Forces	officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
Message-ID: <20091115062224.27705.51796@web2.serotek.com>

He was at Convention this last year in Detroit. He did speak.

Respectfully,
Jedi


Original message:
> I wonder if anyone has told him about the NFB. I would love to hear
> him speak in general session at convention.

> Domonique

> On 11/12/09, Alberto Arreola <alberto.2500 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think that is very cool he hasn't given up.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Darian Smith
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 2:51 PM
>> To: cabs-talk; Nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces
>> officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

>> I found  this to be  fitting considering the  most recent holiday.  I
>> hope you  enjoy and  great discussion comes from this.
>>  Darian


>> Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces officer set to
>> inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

>> By
>> ASHLEY COOK
>> The Lufkin Daily News

>> Wednesday, November 11, 2009

>> An exploding mortar from Iraqi insurgents may have robbed him of his
>> sight, but it didn't darken U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro's clear vision
>> of his future.

>> The only blind member in active duty with Special Forces, he is one of
>> a handful of blind active duty soldiers in the entire country. Castro,
>> who among
>> other things runs marathons and advocates for rehabilitation services
>> in addition to his career with Special Forces, will be sharing his
>> story - his determination
>> to never quit - as an inspiration to others at the Veterans Day
>> program at 10 a.m. today at Huntington High School.

>> U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro is the only blind member of Special
>> Forces. Injured in a mortar attack in Iraq in 2006, he has since run a
>> number of marathons
>> and advocated for better rehabilitation services for the blind while
>> also serving in active duty. He is the keynote speaker at today's
>> Veterans Day event
>> at Huntington High School.

>> And making the event even more meaningful, Castro will be reuniting
>> with several of his brothers in arms as several members of his platoon
>> are flying in
>> for the program.

>> In September 2006, Castro was serving in Iraq as a first lieutenant.
>> During a battle with insurgents, a mortar round exploded a few feet
>> from him, killing
>> two men and injuring Castro. Shrapnel tore through his body, damaging
>> his shoulder, breaking his arm, fracturing facial bones and collapsing
>> his lungs,
>> according to a narrative written by Tony Santiago.

>> Sgt. Travis Womack, now serving as a U.S. Army recruiter in Lufkin,
>> was there the day in Iraq when Castro was injured.

>> "He was my personal lieutenant. I was there when he got blinded in
>> combat," Womack said.

>> In a special reunion, most of Castro's platoon will be flying in from
>> all over the country to attend the ceremony in Huntington, Womack
>> said.

>> "It's going to be awesome. I've only seen him once since that day. For
>> most of the guys, it's the same way," Womack said. "The last time we
>> saw him was
>> in the helicopter. They day we got back from deployment he was there,
>> and it was pretty cool."

>> Shortly after his injuries in Iraq, Castro was stateside again at a
>> U.S. Naval hospital in Maryland. He had a finger amputated due to
>> extensive blast damage.
>> His right eye was blown away, and he had metal fragments in his left.

>> "Doctors questioned whether Castro would make it through another
>> week," Santiago wrote.

>> Two months after his injury, he was in a hospital bed with no idea of
>> what to do next, when he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing two
>> upcoming military
>> marathons. That's when he decided to make running both of them his
>> goal. Since then, he has completed both, and more.

>> "Since then, he's been determined to stay in the Army and find a way
>> to serve. He went back to Special Forces, and he's run the Boston
>> Marathon, the Marine
>> Marathon, among others. The Bataan (Memorial) Death March (Marathon) -
>> a 26-mile road march," Womack said.

>> Castro's motto is, "I'll never quit," according to Womack.

>> Castro was promoted to captain in April 2007. He continues to run
>> marathons, and serves as executive officer of the 7th Special Forces
>> Group at Fort Bragg.
>> Additionally, he and his wife, Evelyn, support and participate in
>> sporting events hosted by the Blinded Veterans Association.

>> Castro is an advocate for rehabilitation funding for the blind, and
>> has visited members of Congress in his quest, according to Santiago.

>> Castro has numerous awards and decorations, including the Purple
>> Heart, Army Commendation and Meritorious Service medals. He was
>> awarded a plaque in Braille
>> at the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center in Augusta, Ga., thanking him
>> for his continued service.

>> The event today begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the community. Emcee
>> is Danny Merrell, from KYKS 105. Veterans are invited to arrive at 9
>> a.m. for coffee
>> and registration. Valet parking is offered to arriving veterans.
>> Veterans are invited to stay for a complimentary meal after the event.

>> Huntington ISD Superintendent Eric Wright said the program is one of
>> the district's signature events, because it includes their No. 1
>> mission of producing
>> high quality, productive citizens, and gives the district and the
>> community an opportunity to thank veterans and active duty military
>> "for their sacrifices
>> which have allowed all of us to enjoy the freedoms we have and to live
>> in the greatest country in the world."

>> The district is able through the event to integrate patriotism along
>> with history, fine arts, graphic design and more into its curriculum.

>> "Our soldiers and former soldiers are our heroes and for at least one
>> day per year, we get to express our appreciation," Wright said.

>> Wright thanked J'Nelle Short, program coordinator, for her hard work
>> and dedication to the event, for making a program that seems better
>> and better each
>> year. Wright added that he was pleased the students will have an
>> opportunity to listen to Castro, a decorated veteran who is an
>> inspiration with such a
>> "can-do" spirit.


>> --
>> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
>> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
>> before us;
>> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
>> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
>> past and future generations,
>> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
>> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
>> done, and
>> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama

>> _______________________________________________
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 06:52:54 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:52:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com><4383d01d0911141727q7cd712e3v2cac86c459247d46@mail.gmail.com><287B7F8F272F4AEF9DB77DC725E0CF7E@kevin9ee0841f6>
	<85ff10070911141956n7e00e3d8vb3672f8acd18e47a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <753BECEC9A794160B85FE21BD3E282F2@radio360usa>

I may contact Pandora myself. I've seen many web-based players like the ones 
Loudcity use for streaming stations that are quite accessible. So I think 
they could maybe make two versions of the page. One with all the glitter and 
glow that sighted people seem to feel flash brings, and the other with 
buttons that can be clicked with standard jaws commands to control these 
things. 


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From solsticesinger at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 11:33:09 2009
From: solsticesinger at gmail.com (solsticesinger)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:33:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE>
	<001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <DBBD649BC82247A18845615181CE2BA0@shannon>

I use mobile facebook exclusively, and have had no problems doing so.

Shannon
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, check out the Eclectic Collection: A 
Celebration of Women In Music, each Wednesday evening from 7 until 10 
eastern.
www.radio360.us
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your
computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't
occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can
on your  computer.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> it seems to be working now
>
> Corey Cook
> Facebook,
> ccook01 at knology.net
> Blog
> blindrants.blogspot.com
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Rania
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>  Rania,
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>  > Hi Serena,
>  >
>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular
> facebook
>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. Of
>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as well.
> If
>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>  > problem.
>  >
>  > Jen
>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >
>  >
>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the same
>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus
> only
>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on
> here.
>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>  >>
>  >> Serena
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't really
>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>  >>>
>  >>> Jen
>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>  >>>> Behalf
>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>  >>>> facebook
>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>  >>>> file.
>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Jen
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From solsticesinger at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 11:34:46 2009
From: solsticesinger at gmail.com (solsticesinger)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:34:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ED0E78C5F404B69B105DF8C75732922@shannon>

I love Pandora, but need a ton of sighted assistance with it. I wrote to the 
administrators, and they told me that making a more accessible site was a 
goal of theirs. This was back in February though, so I wouldn't hold my 
breath.

Shannon
Are you a fan of women's music? If so, check out the Eclectic Collection: A 
Celebration of Women In Music, each Wednesday evening from 7 until 10 
eastern.
www.radio360.us
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cindy Bennett" <clb5590 at gmail.com>
To: "National Asociation of Blind Students" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:31 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio


I have played around with some friends' accounts on pandora, and can't
seem to figure it out with JAWS. Does it work with JAWS? Are there
other accessible radios that would be comparable to Pandora as far as
the amount of music available?

Cindy

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From iamantonio at cox.net  Sun Nov 15 12:38:44 2009
From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:38:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special
	Forcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
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Urg,

Castro serves in the military by way of running marathons?

This is absurd, given the fact that blind people can not serve in the 
military. I attended Close Up in 2000 and we were privileged to attend a 
lecture in the Pentagon. I asked the officer during the presentation why in 
the world blind people, some of whom have intelligence and ability at a 
level at or above average, could not serve in the military. His response, 
you must be able to accurately shoot a gun.

Now what is so special about a blinded guy who runs marathons and advocates 
for services for blind people. A heck of a lot. It takes strength, 
perseverance, endurance, and training to run those races, but he absolutely 
does not belong in the armed forces, even though he is not armed himself. It 
sends a message of imbalance, and inconsistencies in the part of the U.S. 
military.

Now, let me serve and get all of the grate benefits listed on those annoying 
recruiting commercials, and I am on board, once I fork out the money to 
become an American citizen, that is.

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
works in Braille.

Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "cabs-talk" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; <Nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special 
Forcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event


I found  this to be  fitting considering the  most recent holiday.  I
hope you  enjoy and  great discussion comes from this.
 Darian


Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces officer set to
inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

By
ASHLEY COOK
The Lufkin Daily News

Wednesday, November 11, 2009

An exploding mortar from Iraqi insurgents may have robbed him of his
sight, but it didn't darken U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro's clear vision
of his future.

The only blind member in active duty with Special Forces, he is one of
a handful of blind active duty soldiers in the entire country. Castro,
who among
other things runs marathons and advocates for rehabilitation services
in addition to his career with Special Forces, will be sharing his
story — his determination
to never quit — as an inspiration to others at the Veterans Day
program at 10 a.m. today at Huntington High School.

U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro is the only blind member of Special
Forces. Injured in a mortar attack in Iraq in 2006, he has since run a
number of marathons
and advocated for better rehabilitation services for the blind while
also serving in active duty. He is the keynote speaker at today's
Veterans Day event
at Huntington High School.

And making the event even more meaningful, Castro will be reuniting
with several of his brothers in arms as several members of his platoon
are flying in
for the program.

In September 2006, Castro was serving in Iraq as a first lieutenant.
During a battle with insurgents, a mortar round exploded a few feet
from him, killing
two men and injuring Castro. Shrapnel tore through his body, damaging
his shoulder, breaking his arm, fracturing facial bones and collapsing
his lungs,
according to a narrative written by Tony Santiago.

Sgt. Travis Womack, now serving as a U.S. Army recruiter in Lufkin,
was there the day in Iraq when Castro was injured.

"He was my personal lieutenant. I was there when he got blinded in
combat," Womack said.

In a special reunion, most of Castro's platoon will be flying in from
all over the country to attend the ceremony in Huntington, Womack
said.

"It's going to be awesome. I've only seen him once since that day. For
most of the guys, it's the same way," Womack said. "The last time we
saw him was
in the helicopter. They day we got back from deployment he was there,
and it was pretty cool."

Shortly after his injuries in Iraq, Castro was stateside again at a
U.S. Naval hospital in Maryland. He had a finger amputated due to
extensive blast damage.
His right eye was blown away, and he had metal fragments in his left.

"Doctors questioned whether Castro would make it through another
week," Santiago wrote.

Two months after his injury, he was in a hospital bed with no idea of
what to do next, when he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing two
upcoming military
marathons. That's when he decided to make running both of them his
goal. Since then, he has completed both, and more.

"Since then, he's been determined to stay in the Army and find a way
to serve. He went back to Special Forces, and he's run the Boston
Marathon, the Marine
Marathon, among others. The Bataan (Memorial) Death March (Marathon) —
a 26-mile road march," Womack said.

Castro's motto is, "I'll never quit," according to Womack.

Castro was promoted to captain in April 2007. He continues to run
marathons, and serves as executive officer of the 7th Special Forces
Group at Fort Bragg.
Additionally, he and his wife, Evelyn, support and participate in
sporting events hosted by the Blinded Veterans Association.

Castro is an advocate for rehabilitation funding for the blind, and
has visited members of Congress in his quest, according to Santiago.

Castro has numerous awards and decorations, including the Purple
Heart, Army Commendation and Meritorious Service medals. He was
awarded a plaque in Braille
at the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center in Augusta, Ga., thanking him
for his continued service.

The event today begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the community. Emcee
is Danny Merrell, from KYKS 105. Veterans are invited to arrive at 9
a.m. for coffee
and registration. Valet parking is offered to arriving veterans.
Veterans are invited to stay for a complimentary meal after the event.

Huntington ISD Superintendent Eric Wright said the program is one of
the district's signature events, because it includes their No. 1
mission of producing
high quality, productive citizens, and gives the district and the
community an opportunity to thank veterans and active duty military
"for their sacrifices
which have allowed all of us to enjoy the freedoms we have and to live
in the greatest country in the world."

The district is able through the event to integrate patriotism along
with history, fine arts, graphic design and more into its curriculum.

"Our soldiers and former soldiers are our heroes and for at least one
day per year, we get to express our appreciation," Wright said.

Wright thanked J'Nelle Short, program coordinator, for her hard work
and dedication to the event, for making a program that seems better
and better each
year. Wright added that he was pleased the students will have an
opportunity to listen to Castro, a decorated veteran who is an
inspiration with such a
"can-do" spirit.


-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama

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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Sun Nov 15 14:55:11 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:55:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com><4383d01d0911141727q7cd712e3v2cac86c459247d46@mail.gmail.com><287B7F8F272F4AEF9DB77DC725E0CF7E@kevin9ee0841f6><85ff10070911141956n7e00e3d8vb3672f8acd18e47a@mail.gmail.com>
	<753BECEC9A794160B85FE21BD3E282F2@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <39B6700CB9C3496C8D64515774C32140@Hope>

I actually contacted them, as we use Pandora a great deal in my Spanish 
classes. The person from Pandora support said they are attempting to make 
the site accessible-- evidently it uses flash player. I think the more 
people who contact them, the faster they'll try to get things accessible for 
us.
Sincerely,
Hope and Beignet
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>I may contact Pandora myself. I've seen many web-based players like the 
>ones Loudcity use for streaming stations that are quite accessible. So I 
>think they could maybe make two versions of the page. One with all the 
>glitter and glow that sighted people seem to feel flash brings, and the 
>other with buttons that can be clicked with standard jaws commands to 
>control these things.
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 15:19:55 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 10:19:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
In-Reply-To: <39B6700CB9C3496C8D64515774C32140@Hope>
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But Ken Larwence from the Performing Arts and Music lists recommends last.fm
Beth

On 11/15/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> I actually contacted them, as we use Pandora a great deal in my Spanish
> classes. The person from Pandora support said they are attempting to make
> the site accessible-- evidently it uses flash player. I think the more
> people who contact them, the faster they'll try to get things accessible for
> us.
> Sincerely,
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] internet radio
>
>
>>I may contact Pandora myself. I've seen many web-based players like the
>>ones Loudcity use for streaming stations that are quite accessible. So I
>>think they could maybe make two versions of the page. One with all the
>>glitter and glow that sighted people seem to feel flash brings, and the
>>other with buttons that can be clicked with standard jaws commands to
>>control these things.
>>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sun Nov 15 18:22:25 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:22:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE><001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene>
	<DBBD649BC82247A18845615181CE2BA0@shannon>
Message-ID: <001701ca6620$951ca6f0$0301a8c0@Serene>

Shannon,

Are you using your computer or your cell phone to access it?  I tried to go 
on it with my computer once again today and got an error message about the 
servor being messed up.

Serena


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Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I use mobile facebook exclusively, and have had no problems doing so.
>
> Shannon
> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, check out the Eclectic Collection: 
> A
> Celebration of Women In Music, each Wednesday evening from 7 until 10
> eastern.
> www.radio360.us
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
> I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your
> computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't
> occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you can
> on your  computer.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>> it seems to be working now
>>
>> Corey Cook
>> Facebook,
>> ccook01 at knology.net
>> Blog
>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: Rania
>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>  Rania,
>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>  > Hi Serena,
>>  >
>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular
>> facebook
>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>> Of
>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>> well.
>> If
>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing the
>>  > problem.
>>  >
>>  > Jen
>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>> same
>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus
>> only
>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on
>> here.
>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I was
>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with the
>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>  >>
>>  >> Serena
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>> really
>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Jen
>>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On
>>  >>>> Behalf
>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>  >>>> facebook
>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save the
>>  >>>> file.
>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> Jen
>>  >>>> _______________________________________________
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>>  >>>> .com
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>
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>>  >>>
>>  >>>
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>>  >>
>>  >>
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>>
>>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 19:50:52 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:50:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE><001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene><DBBD649BC82247A18845615181CE2BA0@shannon>
	<001701ca6620$951ca6f0$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <002501ca662c$f0dc8b20$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

I tried the moble facebook site from my computer and it seems to be working 
for me.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


> Shannon,
>
> Are you using your computer or your cell phone to access it?  I tried to 
> go on it with my computer once again today and got an error message about 
> the servor being messed up.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "solsticesinger" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>>I use mobile facebook exclusively, and have had no problems doing so.
>>
>> Shannon
>> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, check out the Eclectic Collection: 
>> A
>> Celebration of Women In Music, each Wednesday evening from 7 until 10
>> eastern.
>> www.radio360.us
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>> I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your
>> computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem wouldn't
>> occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you 
>> can
>> on your  computer.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>> it seems to be working now
>>>
>>> Corey Cook
>>> Facebook,
>>> ccook01 at knology.net
>>> Blog
>>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: Rania
>>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>>  Rania,
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>  > Hi Serena,
>>>  >
>>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular
>>> facebook
>>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>>> Of
>>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>>> well.
>>> If
>>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing 
>>> the
>>>  > problem.
>>>  >
>>>  > Jen
>>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>>> same
>>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site is
>>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a virus
>>> only
>>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on
>>> here.
>>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I 
>>> was
>>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with 
>>> the
>>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> Serena
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>>> really
>>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>> Jen
>>>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On
>>>  >>>> Behalf
>>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>>  >>>> facebook
>>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save 
>>> the
>>>  >>>> file.
>>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>> Jen
>>>  >>>> _______________________________________________
>>>  >>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>  >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>  >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>  >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for
>>>  >>>> nabs-l:
>>>  >>>>
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail
>>>  >>>> .com
>>>  >>>>
>>>  >>>>
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>>> for
>>>  >>>> nabs-l:
>>>  >>>>
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>>>  >>>
>>>  >>>
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>>>  >>
>>>  >>
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>>>  >
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>>>  >
>>>
>>>
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>>
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From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:53:21 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:53:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] news articles
Message-ID: <4afdd556.100bca0a.212d.4dad@mx.google.com>

Hi all, how do you go about getting something in your local paper without
looking like you are blowing your own horn?
I am graduateing December 12 as a non-traditional student as well as being
blind. I would like to let others know it is possible for them also. But I
don't want people to think I am full of myself. Any ideas? 
Louana



From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:25:29 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:25:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] testing RE:  Announce: JAWSWiki
In-Reply-To: <auto-000077335697@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000077335697@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <4afddcde.e302be0a.1bd8.3c5e@mx.google.com>

Testing the mail.



From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:36:07 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:36:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
In-Reply-To: <9D4768666AEC46D983F3094BDBB36311@SonyPC>
References: <9D4768666AEC46D983F3094BDBB36311@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <4afddf5c.8602be0a.66f9.3a03@mx.google.com>

Hello I have tried to email the nabs-l list but it keeps getting stopped for
approval. It says I am not a member of the list. I went to the page and I am
a member could you fix this for me  please.
Louana Sterling
Lsterling0 at gmail.com

labney at charter.net



From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 23:18:49 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:18:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] news paper articals
Message-ID: <4b008c69.1502be0a.32d2.6887@mx.google.com>

HI all, after reading post about news paper stories I hav a question of you
all. I am graduating in December  as a non-traditional student as well as a
blind student. I would like to let others know it is possible for them to do
also. How do I  get a paper to write it up and what do you all think about
doing something like this for the papers? I don't want to sound like I am
blowing my own horn.
Thanks all for the replies.
Louana



From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Mon Nov 16 01:23:06 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:23:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
In-Reply-To: <4afddf5c.8602be0a.66f9.3a03@mx.google.com>
References: <9D4768666AEC46D983F3094BDBB36311@SonyPC>
	<4afddf5c.8602be0a.66f9.3a03@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005b01ca665b$5a0d0420$0e270c60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

It looks like your messages are coming through.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of l.sterling0
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:36 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list

Hello I have tried to email the nabs-l list but it keeps getting stopped for
approval. It says I am not a member of the list. I went to the page and I am
a member could you fix this for me  please.
Louana Sterling
Lsterling0 at gmail.com

labney at charter.net


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ronto.ca



From liamskitten at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 02:06:52 2009
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:06:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
In-Reply-To: <-2618047926274350690@unknownmsgid>
References: <9D4768666AEC46D983F3094BDBB36311@SonyPC>
	<4afddf5c.8602be0a.66f9.3a03@mx.google.com>
	<-2618047926274350690@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <7949e5e20911151806g39194da5l4d07f8dda3bd6d27@mail.gmail.com>

Louana,

Your E-mails are coming through *smile*
Courtney

On 11/15/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> It looks like your messages are coming through.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of l.sterling0
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:36 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
>
> Hello I have tried to email the nabs-l list but it keeps getting stopped for
> approval. It says I am not a member of the list. I went to the page and I am
> a member could you fix this for me  please.
> Louana Sterling
> Lsterling0 at gmail.com
>
> labney at charter.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 02:27:16 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:27:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
References: <9D4768666AEC46D983F3094BDBB36311@SonyPC><4afddf5c.8602be0a.66f9.3a03@mx.google.com><-2618047926274350690@unknownmsgid>
	<7949e5e20911151806g39194da5l4d07f8dda3bd6d27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01ca6664$51aaef00$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

Your email's are coming threw.
Rania,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Courtney Stover" <liamskitten at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list


> Louana,
>
> Your E-mails are coming through *smile*
> Courtney
>
> On 11/15/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> It looks like your messages are coming through.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of l.sterling0
>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:36 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
>>
>> Hello I have tried to email the nabs-l list but it keeps getting stopped 
>> for
>> approval. It says I am not a member of the list. I went to the page and I 
>> am
>> a member could you fix this for me  please.
>> Louana Sterling
>> Lsterling0 at gmail.com
>>
>> labney at charter.net
>>
>>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 02:29:54 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:29:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] news paper articals
In-Reply-To: <4b008c69.1502be0a.32d2.6887@mx.google.com>
References: <4b008c69.1502be0a.32d2.6887@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <409c235c0911151829u7cfcc59bjcb1553126e112c1c@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Louana and welcome to the  list!
 My personal opinion, I think that  there is a difference between
telling your story with the hopes of people benifiting from it being
shared, and a person "blowing their horn".  The difference is, how a
person decides to  read what's being presented   to them.     People
that are blind  can and do suscceed  as non-triditional students.
This said, I would  see about the student slate as a possible forum
for you to share your story possibly.
 hope  this helps and  please continue to post!
  Darian Smith
Board member National Association of Blind students.


On 11/15/09, l.sterling0 <l.sterling0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> HI all, after reading post about news paper stories I hav a question of you
> all. I am graduating in December  as a non-traditional student as well as a
> blind student. I would like to let others know it is possible for them to do
> also. How do I  get a paper to write it up and what do you all think about
> doing something like this for the papers? I don't want to sound like I am
> blowing my own horn.
> Thanks all for the replies.
> Louana
>
>
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-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 03:11:06 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:11:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] trying to post to the list
In-Reply-To: <005b01ca665b$5a0d0420$0e270c60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
References: <9D4768666AEC46D983F3094BDBB36311@SonyPC>	<4afddf5c.8602be0a.66f9.3a03@mx.google.com>
	<005b01ca665b$5a0d0420$0e270c60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <4b00c2de.1702be0a.3e2a.69c0@mx.google.com>

Hello all, yes I see they are now. I was having problems but david helped
get it working again.
Thanks 
Louana




From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 03:24:09 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:24:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] news paper stories
Message-ID: <4b00c5ea.1402be0a.0e38.5920@mx.google.com>

Hi all, how do you go about getting something in your local paper without
looking like you are blowing your own horn?
I am graduateing December 12 as a non-traditional student as well as being
blind. I would like to let others know it is possible for them also. But I
don't want people to think I am full of myself. Any ideas good or bad.
Should I do this or not? 
Louana



From l.sterling0 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 03:28:44 2009
From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (l.sterling0)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:28:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] news paper articals
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0911151829u7cfcc59bjcb1553126e112c1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b008c69.1502be0a.32d2.6887@mx.google.com>
	<409c235c0911151829u7cfcc59bjcb1553126e112c1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b00c6fd.c401be0a.2c3f.7801@mx.google.com>

	Hi all, you will be getting more than one message on news paper
stories from me. I was having mail problems and they were being held and now
that problems are over they are all making it to the list.
Sorry for the many post.
I still want ideas on the subject.
Thanks
Louana



From newmanrl at cox.net  Mon Nov 16 10:32:12 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:32:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #151- The Braille Princess
Message-ID: <4308A2FDAF754F75BA9BBC009F186540@D78R0TG1>

NABS
RE:  The Braille Princess

How young can blind kids learn to read Braille? If you have not read the
PROVOKER, it follows.  Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my
web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/>   If you wish to
receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
newmanrl at cox.net 

THOUGHT PROVOKER 151
The Braille Princess
 "This is our first day of kindergarten." The faces of the small children
grouped around the teacher all looked up with energy filled expectation. "I
want us to talk about one very, very important skill all teachers want their
students to learn. It is reading. First, to make sure we understand new
words --- what is a skill?" Teacher and students shared back and forth,
clarifying several key words.

The teacher asked, "How many of you can read?" Nearly all hands shot up. "Oh
my, what a smart class." Testing prior to the beginning of school had shown
the teacher each student's skill level. Nearly all of them could read, most
only a few words and a very few could actually read beginning children's
books.

"Why do you think being able to read is important?" Many voices and hands
answered her question. 

Pointing to a small girl bouncing on her knees, hand pumping, the teacher
chose, "Breanna."

 "To read to your mommy and daddy."

"Good answer. Reading to your parents is an excellent reason. Thank you." 

After taking several more answers the teacher moved into the next phase of
the day's plan. "It is also important for you children to learn from one
another. Today, I have asked two students to bring one of their favorite
books and read it to the class. And by the end of this school year, I expect
that you all will have your turn." Indicating the kid-size chair at her
side, "Michael, you are first."

Seated, the small boy nervously fingered his brightly colored book, holding
its cover forward to show it to his audience. "My favorite book is 'Ruffles,
The Big Red Dog." Positioning it on his lap, he began reading.

"Thank you Michael. And now, Kendra. Please come up to our reading chair."
Tapping the chair, the teacher watched the small girl with her arching cane
home in on the sound guide.

"Students, remember, earlier today, we learned about why Kendra uses a white
cane when she moves around the school." 

A young voice from the audience said, "She blind." 

"Yes, she is blind." Carrying on, the teacher said, "And so now we are going
to learn about Braille, which is how Kendra can read." 

The small girl seated, cane at her feet, the teacher asked, "Kendra, first
please show and tell us the name of your book. Then tell the class a little
about Braille."

Composure intact, Kendra answered, "I learned to read when I was three. You
read print because you can see it. I read Braille, because I am blind and
blind people read Braille with their fingers. Braille is raised dots. I can
read as good as anybody." She raised the book up for all to see its cover.
"My favorite book is the 'Princess and the Pea.' My daddy calls me his
Princess." 

"Hey," exclaimed a student! "No picture! No letters!"

After the stories were read, the teacher again addressed her class. "Miss
Young, my assistant has arranged the chairs in a circle. Each of you have
your own chair, your name is on it. So to find your chair, you must read the
name-tag." The classroom noise level fell, then swelled; expressions on
faces ranged from blank wonderment, to knowing intelligence. "Reading is
important. I know some of you cannot read yet. However, soon I expect that
you will. So for help now, ask your neighbor or Miss Young or me to assist
you." The noisy reading and sorting began.

"She's sitting in my chair!" The outcry of the small red-haired boy was all
but lost in the overall noise level.

"Kendra --- Tommy, we need to check the label," intervened the frazzled
Para. Lightly touching the petite blind girl sitting quietly on the chair in
question, "Honey, did you feel for the Braille label on the back of the
seat?" Leaning forward to look herself as she spoke. 

 "A problem here?" The teacher walked up. 

"Oh my," Miss Young looked at her boss, "the name-tag is missing." 

"Tommy knocked it off and it fell on the seat," said the boy from the next
chair over.

"Yes, I'm sitting on my name," said Kendra. "And Tommy, you need to learn to
read Braille."

The eyes of the two adults met, both smiled, the teacher said, "Kendra, we
are going to call you, our Braille Princess."



Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info


From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 15:04:59 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:04:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special
	Forces	officer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event
In-Reply-To: <423e6e460911142116s7844cca1x18e838ba4e4841c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <409c235c0911121350s5d2eaf26hb183e6c4f46a4adc@mail.gmail.com>	<4afc9977.22a0100a.20be.6a91@mx.google.com>
	<423e6e460911142116s7844cca1x18e838ba4e4841c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b016a16.9553f10a.3358.ffff8c62@mx.google.com>

I, too, enjoyed the article. It would be awesome to have him speak at
general session at convention. 

Li 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 




From qmsingleton at comcast.net  Mon Nov 16 22:19:32 2009
From: qmsingleton at comcast.net (Quintina M. Singleton)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:19:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Readers are Leaders  with Joe Ruffalo
Message-ID: <auto-000126900892@mailfront1.g2host.com>



Please tune in to the next Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo internet 
radio program scheduled for this coming Wednesday November 18 at 
<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />8:00 PM EST.  The 
evening will be dedicated to the Braille Readers are Leaders contest. 
Jernigan Institute Education Programs Specialist, Natalee Shaheen 
will discuss how you can become a participant in this exciting 
competition on either a K-12 or adult level.  Mr. Ruffalo will also 
be speaking with grammar school student Kendra, who is a vetran in 
the contest, as well as her proud mother.   If you would like to 
listen to the program via telephone, please call 1-605-475-6333, access code:

833520.

To access the show online visit www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html

The call in number for anyone

interested in asking a question is 1-888-572-0141.



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Mon Nov 16 22:36:34 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 16:36:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Partners with Santa to
 Promote Braille Literacy
Message-ID: <auto-000127783020@mailfront2.g2host.com>

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



National Federation of the Blind
Partners with Santa to Promote Braille Literacy



Baltimore, Maryland (November 16, 2009):  Once 
again, Santa has enlisted the help of the elves 
at the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) 
Jernigan Institute to get Braille letters out to 
hundreds of blind boys and girls this Christmas season.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “Santa approached 
the National Federation of the Blind a couple of 
years ago and asked us to be his helpers.  I’m 
quite fond of the fellow and was delighted that 
we could assist him in his work.  Braille 
literacy is the key to success and opportunity 
for the blind, but unfortunately too few blind 
children are learning it today.  This program 
will not only be jolly good fun but will also 
serve an important educational purpose, as blind 
children will be able to practice reading Braille 
as they enjoy their letter from Saint Nicholas.”



Between November 16 and December 20, parents can 
go online at www.nfb.org and fill out a Santa 
Braille Letter request form.  The form can also 
be printed and faxed to (410) 
659-6893.  Beginning December 1, the Braille 
letters from Santa will start going out to boys 
and girls around the country.  The Braille letter 
will also be accompanied by a print copy (for mom 
and dad to read), and parents can choose the 
contracted or uncontracted form of Braille for 
the letter.  Requests for letters must include 
the writer’s name, the child’s name, birthday, 
gender, mailing address, and a telephone number 
or e-mail address in case Santa’s helpers at the 
National Federation of the Blind have questions.



The Braille letters from Santa program is part of 
the National Federation of the Blind’s national 
Braille literacy campaign, the largest ever 
undertaken in United States history.  Congress 
authorized the minting in 2009 of 400,000 Louis 
Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollars to mark the 
two-hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis 
Braille (1809–1852) and to support the efforts of 
the National Federation of the Blind to promote 
literacy among blind Americans.  This unique and 
beautiful commemorative coin is the first U.S. 
currency to feature tactile, readable Braille.



A portion of the proceeds from sales of the 2009 
Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar  will be 
used to support the NFB’s “Braille Readers are 
Leaders” campaign, a national initiative created 
to double the number of blind children learning 
Braille by 2015, improve certification standards 
for teachers of Braille, and conduct innovative 
programs to support Braille literacy.



The deadline for letter requests is December 20, 
to ensure that a return letter in Braille is 
received before Christmas.  For more information 
about this and other programs of the National 
Federation of the Blind, please visit our Web 
site at <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.  Those 
interested in ordering a 2009 Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar or the new Braille 
Education Set, which features the coin in a 
collectible folder designed to highlight the life 
and legacy of Louis Braille, should visit 
<http://www.braille.org./>www.braille.org or 
<http://www.usmint.gov/>www.usmint.gov or call 
1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468).  The Louis Braille 
Bicentennial Silver Dollar and the Braille 
Education Set will only be available until December 11, 2009.





###



About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the 
blind led by the blind.  Please visit our Web 
site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.


From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Nov 16 23:07:06 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:07:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Special Christmas Offers from GW Micro Can Get you A Louis
 Braille Commemorative Coin
Message-ID: <auto-000127786228@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Special Christmas Offers from GW Micro
From:	jeremy at gwmicro.com	
To:	gw-info at gwmicro.com 	
		
		

Get free Visa gift cards and/or a Louis Braille Commemorative Coin 
with the purchase of select GW Micro products

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receive a $75 gift card plus get the very special Louis Braille 
Commemorative Coin.  These rare coins are only being minted this year 
in recognition of the 200th anniversary of the birth of Louis 
Braille.  There are only a limited number of these coins being 
produced.  This is a rare opportunity to own one of these special coins.




Have you run out of upgrades on your software maintenance agreement 
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If you want to receive a product with a free Braille Commemorative 
Coin, you must act fast!  These quantities are limited, and the coins 
will no longer be produced after December 11, 2009.  We will continue 
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This offer is good in the U.S. only, and starts Monday, November 16 
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delivery.  For questions or more information, please contact GW Micro 
at sales at gwmicro.com.



From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Nov 17 02:17:06 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:17:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Looking to buy MPower
Message-ID: <auto-000126927512@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following:

Dave


>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:43:34 -1000
>From: David Sexton <david at rustytelephone.net>
>To: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Cc: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>Subject: Looking to buy MPower
>
>Please distribute to proper lists:
>I am looking to buy BrailleNote MPowers dead or alive - preferably 
>alive. Make me an offer
>David



From mgoalball at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 02:39:19 2009
From: mgoalball at gmail.com (Matt McCubbin)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:39:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please Vote for Camp Tuhsmeheta and Opportunities
	Unlimited for the Blind
Message-ID: <7940E61E37914FD2A6252C8D5D73ED92@matt>

> If you're on Facebook, please vote for Camp Tuhsmeheta/Opportunities 
> Unlimited for the Blind for a Chase Community Giving grant.
> Here's the link.
> http://bit.ly/3Vfy5J
>
>
> For screen reader users, the vote button is above the address.
> Press the vote, then press the become a fan button and then OK to vote.
> Then, tell all of your friends to vote as well.
Camp Tuhsmeheta and Opportunities Unlimited for the Blind was a recipient of 
a 2009 Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award for it's dedication to the independence and 
empowerment of blind youth. For more information about Camp T, please visit
http://www.campt.org
> Thanks for any help.
Bestr regards,
Matt 



From brownbears at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 18 02:51:30 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:51:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
Message-ID: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>

I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned. 

From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Nov 18 03:35:04 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:35:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Commends Parties to
 Google Settlement
Message-ID: <auto-000127985256@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:Cdanielsen at nfb.org>Cdanielsen at nfb.org


National Federation of the Blind Commends
  Parties to Google Settlement


Terms of Amended Settlement Agreement
Will Revolutionize Blind People's Access to Books

Baltimore, Maryland (November 17, 2009): The National Federation of 
the Blind today commended Google, the Association of American 
Publishers, and the Authors Guild for retaining important provisions 
in the amended settlement relating to the Google Books project that 
will allow people who are blind or have other print disabilities to 
access the books that Google makes available to the public. The 
amended settlement between Google and authors and publishers 
regarding the Google Books project, if approved by the courts, will 
have a profound and positive impact on the ability of blind people to 
access the printed word.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "Access to the printed word has historically been one of the 
greatest challenges faced by the blind.  The agreement between Google 
and authors and publishers will revolutionize access to books for 
blind Americans.  With millions of books expected to be available 
through Google Books, this agreement means that blind people will 
have more access to print books than we have ever had in human 
history.  The blind, just like the sighted, will have a world of 
education, information, and entertainment literally at our 
fingertips.  The National Federation of the Blind commends the 
parties to this agreement for their commitment to full and equal 
access to information by the blind."

"The Google Books project is designed to facilitate broad access to 
the world's written knowledge," said Allan R. Adler, vice president 
for legal and government affairs of the Association of American 
Publishers (AAP).  "It is only fitting that the settlement includes 
provisions that will make these materials available to the blind and 
others who cannot read print.  These provisions certainly reflect the 
values of the AAP, and we are pleased that this settlement will mean 
greater availability of books to approximately 30 million Americans 
who have traditionally experienced barriers to accessing the printed word."

The terms of the amended settlement, like the settlement agreement 
proposed last year, allow Google to provide the material it offers 
users "in a manner that accommodates users with print disabilities so 
that such users have a substantially similar user experience as users 
without print disabilities."  A user with a print disability under 
the agreement is one who is "unable to read or use standard printed 
material due to blindness, visual disability, physical limitations, 
organic dysfunction, or dyslexia."  Blind people, like other members 
of the public, will be able to search the texts of books in the 
Google Books database online, purchase some books in an accessible 
format, or access accessible books at libraries and other entities 
that have an institutional subscription to the Google Books 
database.  Once the court approves the settlement, Google will work 
to launch these services as quickly as possible.



###



About the National Federation of the Blind


With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.  Please visit our 
Web site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.


From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 03:42:54 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:42:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <FCB6DEAC-BCA8-4668-8034-7A384B5C2093@gmail.com>

Who is not providing you the information? Have you tried going  
directly to your professors to see if they'll use the same books from  
the previous semester, and if so, can they give you that information  
from their previous syllabi?

Corbb

P.S. Dec. 10th is the last day to purchase your Louis Braille  
Commemorative Coins! They make great stocking stuffers while  
simultaneously correcting the Braille literacy crisis in America.  
Details: http://www.Braille.org



On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Miranda brown wrote:

I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
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From brownbears at mchsi.com  Wed Nov 18 03:47:43 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:47:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <FCB6DEAC-BCA8-4668-8034-7A384B5C2093@gmail.com>
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
	<FCB6DEAC-BCA8-4668-8034-7A384B5C2093@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D29EBA60CCB4AEA9122839E2AB7AF30@MIRANDA>

I take my classes online and I can not find out who is teaching the classes.
I have asked the disabilities counselor and the bookstore manager and
neither of them know anything, they just say their not posted yet. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Corbb O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks

Who is not providing you the information? Have you tried going directly to
your professors to see if they'll use the same books from the previous
semester, and if so, can they give you that information from their previous
syllabi?

Corbb

P.S. Dec. 10th is the last day to purchase your Louis Braille  
Commemorative Coins! They make great stocking stuffers while  
simultaneously correcting the Braille literacy crisis in America.  
Details: http://www.Braille.org



On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Miranda brown wrote:

I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 04:15:19 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:15:19 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] Pennies for Pages!
Message-ID: <85ff10070911172015t746a9ea0x89ca0dfddcbb27fa@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings to all members and friends of NABS,



I am writing to announce and solicit assistance for an exciting new
fundraising effort we are currently undertaking. The fundraiser is Pennies
for Pages, and is being run in conjunction with the NFB's Braille Readers
are Leaders program. We believe that this fundraiser has a lot of potential.
However, in order to realize this potential, we need help from all of you!



The idea is this. Students, or anybody else who is interested in helping to
raise money for Braille literacy and our national student division, can sign
up to participate in the Braille Readers are Leaders program and then
solicit donations from friends, family, or anybody really, for Braille pages
read throughout the duration of the contest. Of course, donations of fixed
sums are also gratefully accepted.



If you are already participating in the Braille Readers are Leaders contest,
you can simply find people to sponsor you for each page you read. If you are
not yet signed up for the contest, no worries! The reading contest runs
through January 4th, and registration can be submitted up until that point.
It is by no means too late to get started! As an added incentive, NABS will
be offering a $50 Amazon.com gift card to the participant who raises the
most money.



Donated funds can be accepted in cash or as checks made out to the National
Association of Blind Students and can be given to our Treasurer, Nijat
Worley, either in person at Washington Seminar or sent via postal mail.



If you wish to participate or have any questions at all about the plan,
please contact me (Sean Whalen) at either 608-332-4147 or
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. I will be compiling the list of participants and
would be happy to answer any questions which anybody might have.



Half of any money we raise through this effort will go to the NFB to support
Braille literacy programs and the other half will go to NABS.



We all look forward to working together to raise money for and promote
Braille literacy!



Sincerely,



Sean Whalen






-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 04:20:48 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:20:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of Virginia Student Division welcomes a new Board of
	Directors
Message-ID: <99E7F55F-83BD-4DA8-A7E0-097A1BF6E93B@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

At the 51st Annual Convention of the NFB of Virginia this past  
weekend, the student division held elections. Please join me in  
welcoming a new team of leadership to the Commonwealth of Virginia. We  
are all very optimistic that this board will be more productive,  
focused, and capable to serve the blind students in the Virginia area.

By the January Board Meeting of the NFB of Virginia Affiliate Board of  
Directors, I hope to have a draft Constitution ready for a vote. Yes,  
new board members, that's a challenge and a call to get working!

The 2009-2010 board includes:
* President: Corbb O'Connor, senior at The George Washington University
* Vice President: Brittany Savage, high school senior at the Virginia  
School for the Deaf and Blind
* Secretary: Mike Fish, a graduate student at George Mason University  
and teacher of blind students for Arlington County Public Schools
* Treasurer: C. J. Fish, a graduate student at Marymount University
* Board Member: Chelsea Cook, a high school student in Virginia and  
board member for the NFB Writers Division

We have a diverse group in terms of age, location, and specialty, and  
for that I as President am grateful. Thanks to all who ran for office,  
and we hope everyone will stay involved.

If you are a blind student in Virginia receiving this message -- or  
you know a blind student in Virginia -- please pass their contact info  
along to me or have them get in touch with me.

Sincerely,
Corbb O'Connor, President
NFB of Virginia Student Division

P.S. Dec. 10th is the last day to purchase your Louis Braille  
Commemorative Coins! They make great stocking stuffers while  
simultaneously correcting the Braille literacy crisis in America.  
Details: http://www.Braille.org



From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 10:20:13 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:20:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <0D29EBA60CCB4AEA9122839E2AB7AF30@MIRANDA>
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
	<FCB6DEAC-BCA8-4668-8034-7A384B5C2093@gmail.com>
	<0D29EBA60CCB4AEA9122839E2AB7AF30@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <4383d01d0911180220ye92daa1n5a05a7720d0dc159@mail.gmail.com>

FSU now has a new feature on their blackboard that allows you to print
out the book info so you have it right away.  Just a thought.
Beth

On 11/17/09, Miranda brown <brownbears at mchsi.com> wrote:
> I take my classes online and I can not find out who is teaching the classes.
> I have asked the disabilities counselor and the bookstore manager and
> neither of them know anything, they just say their not posted yet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Corbb O'Connor
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
> Who is not providing you the information? Have you tried going directly to
> your professors to see if they'll use the same books from the previous
> semester, and if so, can they give you that information from their previous
> syllabi?
>
> Corbb
>
> P.S. Dec. 10th is the last day to purchase your Louis Braille
> Commemorative Coins! They make great stocking stuffers while
> simultaneously correcting the Braille literacy crisis in America.
> Details: http://www.Braille.org
>
>
>
> On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Miranda brown wrote:
>
> I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
> their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
> information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
> classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
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From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Wed Nov 18 15:24:57 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:24:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <CE0E2A5C889748F98E3CE8B00D50F5C7@useripvq7z5u3t>

Miranda,

        Try going to the secretaries of each department you have a class in 
and asking them about the textbooks for the coming term.  As an instructor 
for three courses this Spring I have known which textbooks I am going to use 
since the end of October.

Patrick


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks


>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
> their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
> information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
> classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
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From tealbloodworth at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 16:11:06 2009
From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:11:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <3D85ECC417FC482D9E14A830395FF08C@teal6e6857f643>

hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships and 
your discability services may have a membership. Then if or instead you 
could go through the publisher and get an electronic format of the textbook 
for the computer or a stream...

        -Teal
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks


>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
> their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
> information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
> classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Nov 18 21:47:16 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:47:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <00b601ca6898$b20f1110$0301a8c0@Serene>

The short answer to your question is no.  Ideally, there should be a 
discussion between you and the Disabilities Office, asuming your college has 
one.  (Some small colleges don't.)  Unfortunately, most disabilities office 
take pretty much total control over the situation and tell the students how 
the offices run things.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 9:51 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks


>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
> their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
> information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
> classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
> _______________________________________________
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 22:31:16 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:31:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <3D85ECC417FC482D9E14A830395FF08C@teal6e6857f643>
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA>
	<3D85ECC417FC482D9E14A830395FF08C@teal6e6857f643>
Message-ID: <fc8eb2b0911181431x5e2e81a5qa0c165538bff441f@mail.gmail.com>

You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that information.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships and
> your discability services may have a membership. Then if or instead you
> could go through the publisher and get an electronic format of the textbook
> for the computer or a stream...
>
>         -Teal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
>
>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  Are
>> their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our book
>> information in advance. I still do not have my book information for my
>> classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
>> _______________________________________________
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From brownbears at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 19 00:46:49 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:46:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <fc8eb2b0911181431x5e2e81a5qa0c165538bff441f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA><3D85ECC417FC482D9E14A830395FF08C@teal6e6857f643>
	<fc8eb2b0911181431x5e2e81a5qa0c165538bff441f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23B9EAD3DD574E81A98BA4E09B11EAD7@MIRANDA>

They won't tell me who some of the professors are.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nathan Clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks

You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that information.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships 
> and your discability services may have a membership. Then if or 
> instead you could go through the publisher and get an electronic 
> format of the textbook for the computer or a stream...
>
>         -Teal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
>
>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  
>>Are  their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our 
>>book  information in advance. I still do not have my book information 
>>for my  classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
>> _______________________________________________
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Nov 19 00:56:25 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:56:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA><3D85ECC417FC482D9E14A830395FF08C@teal6e6857f643><fc8eb2b0911181431x5e2e81a5qa0c165538bff441f@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B9EAD3DD574E81A98BA4E09B11EAD7@MIRANDA>
Message-ID: <002901ca68b3$1ed7bc10$0301a8c0@Serene>

That's insane!  Did they give a reason why they won't tell you?

Serena

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks


> They won't tell me who some of the professors are.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Nathan Clark
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
> You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that information.
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships
>> and your discability services may have a membership. Then if or
>> instead you could go through the publisher and get an electronic
>> format of the textbook for the computer or a stream...
>>
>>         -Teal
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>
>>
>>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.
>>>Are  their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our
>>>book  information in advance. I still do not have my book information
>>>for my  classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From brownbears at mchsi.com  Thu Nov 19 01:26:01 2009
From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:26:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
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They just say they don't have that information yet.  

-----Original Message-----
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Of Serena
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks

That's insane!  Did they give a reason why they won't tell you?

Serena

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks


> They won't tell me who some of the professors are.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Nathan Clark
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
> You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that information.
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
> On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships
>> and your discability services may have a membership. Then if or
>> instead you could go through the publisher and get an electronic
>> format of the textbook for the computer or a stream...
>>
>>         -Teal
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>
>>
>>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.
>>>Are  their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our
>>>book  information in advance. I still do not have my book information
>>>for my  classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From noreply at serotek.com  Thu Nov 19 02:16:08 2009
From: noreply at serotek.com (Serotek Announcements)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:16:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] PLEXTALK Pocket (PTP1) Digital Talking Book Player now
 enables transfer of SAMNet content.
Message-ID: <auto-000128140944@mailfront2.g2host.com>


For Immediate Release:





SHINANO KENSHI CORPORATION-LLC (SKC) TEAMS WITH

SEROTEK CORPORATION FOR PRODUCT COMPATIBILITY



PLEXTALK® Pocket (PTP1) Digital Talking Book 
Player now enables transfer of SAMNet™ content.



Los Angeles, CA – November 17, 2009 –Shinano 
Kenshi Corporation-LLC (SKC) has aligned with 
Serotek Corporation, a leading provider of 
internet and digital information accessibility 
software and services, to enable Serotek’s family 
of System Access products to be used with Shinano 
Kenshi’s PLEXTALK® Pocket (PTP1) digital talking 
book player/recorders (DTBP). The alliance allows 
content from the System Access Mobile Network 
(SAMNet™) to be transferred to the PLEXTALK® Pocket.



The PLEXTALK® Pocket is a lightweight, 
pocket-sized, DAISY-compliant music, voice, and 
book player/recorder that offers revolutionary 
mobility and ease of use by nearly anyone in 
business, education, and leisure. SAMNet™ is 
Serotek's renowned Internet Community that 
delivers the widest and most complete content 
ever assembled for the blind. With access to 
email, news, described video service for 
thousands of movies, blogs, podcasts, streaming 
radio and more, subscribers can connect with 
other subscribers as well as remotely access 
their own computers from anywhere in the world. 
SAMNet™ represents just one of Serotek’s System 
Access branded products that is now compatible with the PLEXTALK® Pocket.



“We are very pleased to be able to partner with 
Serotek,” said Rex Bergsma, CEO, Shinano Kenshi 
Corporation­North America. “Serotek’s software 
solutions enable many who are visually impaired 
to have wide ranging access to the Internet. That 
access is further enhanced by the fact that 
Serotek’s powerful family of System Access 
software products are compatible with Shinano Kenshi’s PLEXTALK® Pocket.”



“We are very excited about our new alliance with 
Serotek,” said Deana Valdez, Sales & Marketing 
Manager for North America­PLEXTALK®. “This new 
opportunity provides additional benefits to 
PLEXTALK® Pocket users, because they can now 
enjoy expanded usability of their device.”



“The mobility of this product is what first 
interested Serotek in the alliance,” said Mike 
Calvo, CEO, Serotek Corporation, “Shinano Kenshi 
shares our commitment to accessibility anywhere 
and we’re excited to offer the marketplace even 
greater compatibility among products from both organizations.”



PLEXTALK® Pocket is available online at 
<http://www.plextalk.com/>www.plextalk.com. The 
System Access family of products and services is 
available online at 
<http://www.serotek.com/>www.serotek.com or by calling 1-866-202-0520



About the Companies



Shinano Kenshi Co., Shinano Kenshi Corporation & PLEXTALK®

Shinano Kenshi Co. Ltd. is responsible for the 
development and manufacture of digital talking 
book players and other products sold under the 
brand name of PLEXTALK®. Shinano and PLEXTALK® 
assistive products are created to improve the 
quality of life, self-reliance and independence 
of their users. Shinano Kenshi Corporation is the 
North American subsidiary of Shinano Kenshi Co.,Ltd.

For More Information Contact:

Deana Valdez, Sales and Marketing Manager for North America­PLEXTALK®

Shinano Kenshi Corp.

Phone: 310-693-7629

<mailto:dvaldez at shinano.com>dvaldez at shinano.com



Shinano Kenshi Corporation

6065 Bristol Parkway

Culver City, CA 90230

Phone: 310-693-7600

Fax: 310-693-7599



Serotek Corporation

Committed to the mission of providing 
accessibility anywhere, Serotek Corporation 
develops software and manufactures accessibility 
solutions that make it possible for anyone, 
regardless of sight or physical limitation, lack 
of Internet savvy or access to a mouse, keyboard, 
or screen, to not only have access to and command 
of all of the resources of the Internet, but 
also, to operate most any digital information 
device with minimal training and investment. For 
more information, visit <http://www.serotek.com/>www.serotek.com.

Media Contact:

<mailto:pr at serotek.com>pr at serotek.com

1-866-202-0520, extension 105

Serotek Corporation

1128 Harmon Place, Suite 310

Minneapolis, Minnesota 55403, USA

From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 02:24:27 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:24:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pennies for Pages
Message-ID: <auto-000128141383@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Greetings to all members and friends of NABS,



I am writing to announce and solicit assistance for an exciting new
fundraising effort we are currently undertaking. The fundraiser is Pennies
for Pages, and is being run in conjunction with the NFB's Braille Readers
are Leaders program. We believe that this fundraiser has a lot of potential.
However, in order to realize this potential, we need help from all of you!



The idea is this. Students, or anybody else who is interested in helping to
raise money for Braille literacy and our national student division, can sign
up to participate in the Braille Readers are Leaders program and then
solicit donations from friends, family, or anybody really, for Braille pages
read throughout the duration of the contest. Of course, donations of fixed
sums are also gratefully accepted.



If you are already participating in the Braille Readers are Leaders contest,
you can simply find people to sponsor you for each page you read. If you are
not yet signed up for the contest, no worries! The reading contest runs
through January 4th, and registration can be submitted up until that point.
It is by no means too late to get started! As an added incentive, NABS will
be offering a $50 Amazon.com gift card to the participant who raises the
most money.



Donated funds can be accepted in cash or as checks made out to the National
Association of Blind Students and can be given to our Treasurer, Nijat
Worley, either in person at Washington Seminar or sent via postal mail.



If you wish to participate or have any questions at all about the plan,
please contact me (Sean Whalen) at either 608-332-4147 or
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. I will be compiling the list of participants and
would be happy to answer any questions which anybody might have.



Half of any money we raise through this effort will go to the NFB to support
Braille literacy programs and the other half will go to NABS.



We all look forward to working together to raise money for and promote
Braille literacy!



Sincerely,



Sean Whalen






-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Thu Nov 19 03:05:46 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:05:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
References: <F919224CE6A149DEBC7CEC104E2D5162@MIRANDA><3D85ECC417FC482D9E14A830395FF08C@teal6e6857f643><fc8eb2b0911181431x5e2e81a5qa0c165538bff441f@mail.gmail.com><23B9EAD3DD574E81A98BA4E09B11EAD7@MIRANDA><002901ca68b3$1ed7bc10$0301a8c0@Serene>
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That can't be true!  Maybe, if the professors teach part time, but still.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks


> They just say they don't have that information yet.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Serena
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
> That's insane!  Did they give a reason why they won't tell you?
>
> Serena
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
>
>> They won't tell me who some of the professors are.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Nathan Clark
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:31 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>
>> You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that 
>> information.
>> Sincerely,
>> Nathan Clark
>>
>> On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships
>>> and your discability services may have a membership. Then if or
>>> instead you could go through the publisher and get an electronic
>>> format of the textbook for the computer or a stream...
>>>
>>>         -Teal
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>>
>>>
>>>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.
>>>>Are  their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our
>>>>book  information in advance. I still do not have my book information
>>>>for my  classes that start in January and I am starting to get 
>>>>concerned.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 05:16:51 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:16:51 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
In-Reply-To: <005901ca68c5$30b402b0$0301a8c0@Serene>
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Hi all,

Remember that online classes can follow very different rules from
regular ones. It's possible that they really haven't assigned the
instructors yet. Luckily, if the textbook is in RFBD or Bookshare's
database, you should be able to get in within a week or two of finding
out the title. Otherwise, there's always the option of hiring a reader
to read the book to you if you can't get the title until the last
minute, or scanning it if you have a scanner or access to an assistive
tech lab on a college campus near you.

Arielle

On 11/19/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> That can't be true!  Maybe, if the professors teach part time, but still.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
>
>> They just say they don't have that information yet.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Serena
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 6:56 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>
>> That's insane!  Did they give a reason why they won't tell you?
>>
>> Serena
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>
>>
>>> They won't tell me who some of the professors are.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Nathan Clark
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>>
>>> You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that
>>> information.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Nathan Clark
>>>
>>> On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships
>>>> and your discability services may have a membership. Then if or
>>>> instead you could go through the publisher and get an electronic
>>>> format of the textbook for the computer or a stream...
>>>>
>>>>         -Teal
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.
>>>>>Are  their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our
>>>>>book  information in advance. I still do not have my book information
>>>>>for my  classes that start in January and I am starting to get
>>>>>concerned.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>
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Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
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Website:
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From treyman19 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 08:54:54 2009
From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:54:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] In need of a BrailleNote for College Classes
Message-ID: <d80702810911190054i64790e99w3f0f8e9fe869dfea@mail.gmail.com>

Hi is there anyone that wants to sell or trade there BrailleNote?
Please email  or call me at treyman19 at gmail.com  or call 219-614-4650
Thanks a lot.

-- 
Roosevelt Bradley


From pajohns1 at vt.edu  Thu Nov 19 19:27:16 2009
From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:27:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Great Opportunity for Students who like to travel!
Message-ID: <A582490E71CA45308F75764B99ADC73D@useripvq7z5u3t>

 From another list I monitor.

>
>> Hi Folks!
>>
>> Please share this information with students you think might benefit!
>>
>> Great News for exceptional students (blind/VI, deaf/HH, or other
>> physical disabilities AND sighted/hearing/able-bodied!) ages 14-21!  You
>> haven't missed your chance at an adventure of a lifetime! To accommodate
>> the large number of people who expressed interest in the past few days,
>> the 2010 Leading the Way application deadline has been extended until
>> FRIDAY, DECEMBER 4th.
>>
>> We seek exceptional students (blind/VI, deaf/HH, or other physical
>> disabilities AND sighted/hearing/able-bodied!) ages 14-21 to join an
>> unlikely team and embark on an extraordinary journey to the Grand Canyon
>> or Yucatan Peninsula. Learn from world renowned blind adventurer Erik
>> Weihenmayer and explore leadership, service, science and culture!
>>
>> We want YOU to apply, nominate a student or learn more about this
>> year's expeditions at:
>> http://www.globalexplorers.org/programs/leading_the_way/
>>
>> New this year: Apply on-line in just 30 minutes! Applicants will be
>> considered for both the Grand Canyon and Yucatan teams.
>>
>> Don't let money stop you! Scholarship funds are available and we help
>> you fundraise!
>>
>> “… this experience aided in the discovery of my passions and dreams… I
>> am now on my own path of figuring out what makes me truly alive.”
>> -Elizabeth, 2009 program participant
>>
>> Featured on CBS Sunday Morning, ABC Nightline and Travel Channel, the
>> Global Explorers Leading the Way program is a groundbreaking travel
>> experience that seeks to develop young global citizens while breaking
>> down barriers between those with and without disabilities. View CBS
>> Sunday Morning piece here:
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4447954n
>>
>> Questions? laura at globalexplorers.org or 877-627-1425
>>
>> Looking forward to welcoming you into the Global Explorers family!
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Shannon Smiley
>> Leading the Way Fellow
>>
>> Global Explorers
>> 420 S. Howes St. Suite B300
>> Fort Collins, CO 80521
>> www.globalexplorers.org
>> shannon at globalexplorers.org
>> (office) 877.627.1425
>> (fax) 970.672.1073
>>



From th404 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 19 20:23:50 2009
From: th404 at comcast.net (Tina Hansen)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:23:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Walking Alone and Marching Together Now Online as MP3 Audio
Message-ID: <auto-000127505474@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Some of you may remember ordering Walking Alone and Marching 
Together, the history of our first 50 years, on tape in the 1990's. 
You may remember that the tape box was quite bulky, at least, if you 
got the NFB version with the original speeches mixed in.

The text of this major historical publication has been online, but 
until recently, it was only up as text. That meant you either needed 
to be at your computer or you needed a Braille Note or other portable 
unit that could handle web pages, and if you wanted audio, you had to 
either stick with your tape player or make due with the voices 
provided by your screen reader.

Many of you probably have either a Victor Reader Stream, Book Sense, 
or Plextalk Pocket, and some high capacity SD cards. If that's true 
for you, REJOYCE! This major historical book is FINALLY now up in mp3 
audio, and you get good narration, along with the original speeches.

To check this out, go to

<http://www.nfb.org/nfb/WAMT.asp?SnID=1054658543>http://www.nfb.org/nfb/WAMT.asp?SnID=1054658543

Thanks, and enjoy.

From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Nov 19 22:37:57 2009
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:37:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Commends University of
 Illinois for Commitment to Accessible E-book Technology
Message-ID: <auto-000127531186@mailfront1.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org




National Federation of the Blind Commends University of Illinois
  for Commitment to Accessible E-book Technology



Champaign, Illinois (November 19, 2009): The National Federation of 
the Blind, the oldest and largest organization of blind Americans and 
a leading advocate for accessible e-book technology, today applauded 
the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign for publicly 
announcing its commitment to purchasing e-book technology that can be 
used by the blind and others with print disabilities.  The 
announcement comes on the heels of news that the University of 
Wisconsin-Madison and Syracuse University will not broadly deploy 
Amazon's Kindle DX e-book reading device, which Amazon is marketing 
as a replacement for traditional print textbooks, until the device is 
fully accessible to blind students.  The Kindle DX features 
text-to-speech technology that can read textbooks aloud.  The menus 
of the device are not accessible to the blind, however, making it 
impossible for a blind user to purchase books from Amazon's Kindle 
store, select a book to read, activate the text-to-speech feature, 
and use the advanced reading functions available on the Kindle DX.



In a statement issued yesterday, the University of Illinois said in 
part: "Quite apart from our legal obligations, we at Illinois believe 
that our technology choices should be shaped by our institutional 
values and aspirations.  We will not embrace technologies that 
undercut our commitment to accessibility.  We will instead apply our 
ingenuity to technologies that enable everyone to participate more 
fully in society.



"Like our colleagues at Wisconsin and Syracuse, we recognize the 
groundbreaking potential that read-aloud features have for making 
textbooks accessible to students with disabilities.  Sadly, that 
potential can't be realized until vendors of e-book readers, like the 
Kindle, add accessible read-aloud menus and basic navigation to their 
products."


Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, 
said: "As publishers and e-book reading device manufacturers 
increasingly tout the e-book as a replacement for the printed 
textbook, it is critical that no artificial barriers be placed in the 
way of access to this exciting new technology by blind 
students.  E-books are inherently accessible, and it is relatively 
easy to make e-book reading devices accessible as well.  The National 
Federation of the Blind therefore commends the University of Illinois 
and other universities for taking the position that e-book technology 
must be accessible to all students, including the blind."



###





About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind 
is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's lives 
through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs 
encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading 
force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's 
blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in 
the United States for the blind led by the blind.  Please visit our 
Web site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.



From BCordell at nfb.org  Thu Nov 19 22:55:08 2009
From: BCordell at nfb.org (Cordell,
	Becca)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Research in the Rockies: Research Summit on Braille
 Reading and Writing
Message-ID: <auto-000128289488@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Research in the Rockies: Research Summit on Braille Reading and Writing
June 10-12, 2010
Denver, Colorado at the Denver Marriott City Center

The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute is 
cosponsoring, with the National Center for Severe and Sensory 
Disabilities and the Bresnahan-Halstead Center on Disabilities, a 
conference on Research in Braille. We hope to advance the state of 
research in the area of Braille in the USA. We encourage you to 
submit an abstract to this conference and request that you diffuse it 
to all colleagues who might have an interest in this field.  Research 
related abstracts will be accepted from all members of the Braille 
community and will be reviewed by a multidisciplinary panel including 
academics, practitioners, and parents.

Call for Papers

Sponsored by
National Center for Severe and Sensory Disabilities (NCSSD)
Bresnahan-Halstead Center on Disabilities
The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) Jernigan Institute

Purpose:
The purpose of this conference is to explore current and emerging 
research from a wide range of disciplines that pertains to Braille 
reading and writing.

Call for Papers Submission Guidelines:
* Submit 250-word abstract online at: www.unco.edu/ncssd
* Submission deadline is January 4, 2010 (Louis Braille's 201st birthday!)
* Anything submitted after midnight on January 4, 2010 will not be accepted
* Presentation formats:
	a. Research paper presentation (20 minutes)
	b. Panel (minimum 60 minutes)
	c. Poster (posters will be presented in roundtable sessions)
* If you have problems with the online submission form, please 
contact: ncssd at unco.edu

Please note that any handout material must be made available in 
Braille, large print, and electronic formats. Provide explanations 
for all Power Point presentations.

Proposals invited from:
Cognitive scientists, linguists, educators, rehabilitation 
specialists, neurologists, sociologists and experimental 
psychologists, researchers in haptic and tactile perception, 
demographers, occupational therapists, and others



From RCarranza at nfb.org  Thu Nov 19 22:55:22 2009
From: RCarranza at nfb.org (Carranza,
	Rosy)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing www.TeachBlindStudents.org!
Message-ID: <auto-000128289538@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!  As a part of this effort, we developed
www.TeachBlindStudents.org, a new online resource to help promote the
rewarding career of teaching blind students. The site features a wealth
of information for perspective teachers, a program for current blindness
education professionals, and an opportunity to join our teacher
recruitment efforts!

Currently, we are looking for individuals to make presentations to high
school and college students in their local communities. This teacher
recruitment project is great for current students, parents of blind
children, local chapters, state affiliates, and for others interested in
the education of blind students. To learn more about the Teacher
Recruitment Network, or to get involved, visit
www.TeachBlindStudents.org. There is a link from our home page that will
take you to an area where you can sign up to help. If you have any
questions about this program, contact Rosy Carranza at (410) 659-9314,
ext. 2283, or email her at rcarranza at nfb.org. Together, we really can
make a difference in the education of blind students!



From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Nov 20 00:04:42 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:04:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: General: Internet Your Way to a New Job
 - How to Really Find a Job Online
Message-ID: <auto-000128296860@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Tony Grima" <agrima at nbp.org>
>Subject: NBP-Announce: General: Internet Your Way to a New Job - How to
>         Really Find a Job Online
>
>Internet Your Way to a New Job: How to Really Find a Job Online
>By Alison Doyle
>In braille (2 vols.) and PortaBook (CD and downloadable), $11.95
>
>Just a few years ago, you could upload your resume to one of the top job
>sites, click a few times to apply for some jobs, and consider your
>search well underway.
>
>Today, that isn't enough. The job market is increasingly competitive.
>Hiring managers are overwhelmed with applications - hiring has changed,
>and job seekers need to be prepared to use all the online job search
>tools to their advantage.
>
>Online job searching often seems complicated, but it doesn't have to be
>- there are tips and tricks you can use to make the process run smoothly
>and simply. Author Alison Doyle tells you how to:
>- Create your professional presence online
>- Market yourself as a strong candidate for employers
>- Connect with contacts who will help you with your job search
>- Help prospective employers find you
>- Use sites like Facebook, VisualCV, and LinkedIn to your advantage
>
>This book will provide you what you need to know and step you through
>the process of online job searching, professional branding, social and
>professional networking, and career building with uncomplicated advice,
>tips, and techniques on how to effectively find a new job and grow your
>career.
>
>Read the table of contents for this book, or order it, at
>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/JOBONLINE.html
>
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Fri Nov 20 02:32:19 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:32:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Best of Handy CMS Contest
Message-ID: <6C29F4C3D59A4561A804CDFAA534BF0A@yourdd0a3c7a34>

For Immediate Distribution


Sales contact:
Dave Wright
651-636-5184
dave at handytech.us


 

The Best of Handy CMS Contest


Handy Tech North America will roll out the world's first online contact
management system built from the ground up with accessibility in mind in
January 2010, and several of you have taken advantage of the free 90 day
trial. However, one concern that we keep hearing from customers is the need
for people to create contacts and this can be a very time consuming process
for somebody who simply wants to see how the system works.  

We hear your concern and we've come up with an idea.  

>From now until December 1, 2009, Handy Tech North America is holding the
best of Handy CMS contest! Dun dad a da! (those were trumpets in case you
didn't recognize them).

Participation is easy. Simply create a 30 day trial using a cool fictional
company name with functional products or services and start building the
database with fictional contacts, calendar appointments, tasks, customer
notes and bulletin board announcements.

The winner will be announced on December 2, 2009 and their masterpiece will
become the featured Handy CMS showcase database that people will be able to
sample if all they want to do is take the Handy CMS system on a test drive.

The talented winner will win their choice of one of the following items:

1. System Access Mobile screen reader and 1 year of System Access
Network subscription.
2. MSI Wind Netbook with the System Access Network License installed.
3. Nokia 6220 Classic GSM Mobile Phone with choice of Talks or
MobileSpeak screen reader installed.

How is that for incentive?

The winner will be selected based on the most creative content that
demonstrates all of the features of Handy CMS while presenting the system in
a serious yet light hearted and tasteful manner.

So bring it! Handy CMS is your canvas you are the artist! Come have some fun
at make that brilliantly creative brain of your potentially win you a really
cool tech prize.

Sign up for a Handy CMS Trial at:

www.handycms.net
<http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?et=1102832277363&s=1&e=001A3IiPqlBuFx4vDwk0UyvNzMVbkg
TMvfUENDvGP8LvIeDyEru831zBVDGV7owWyPhzq_tenlaBcUayoJmoMXhMDWtWIS5x7uaasdd_uX
RrCU=> 

After you have signed up for your trial, and if you would like to
participate in the competition, send an e-mail to:

info at handytech.us

Make your subject: "Best of Handy CMS Contest"

In the body of your message, let us know your fictional company name, your
real name and all of your real contact information.

Note that inappropriate content or profanity will not be tolerated, this is
a family


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 347-422-7085
Email:
dwrigh6 at gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Nov 20 03:31:39 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:31:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New List on Albinism
Message-ID: <auto-000128310140@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Earlier this evening I sent out an announcement to a few of our lists 
concerning a new list on albinism.  Unfortunately, I made an error 
when typing the web address for subscriptions.  It only takes one bad 
letter, and I did it.

Below is the corrected message.

Dave

p.s.  I apologize for any inconvenience my fumble fingers caused you.

 >There is a new discussion and support list on albinism, on
 >nfbnet.org.  to join either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/albinism-talk_nfbnet.org

 >or send e-mail to albinism-talk-request at nfbnet.org and put the word
 >subscribe in the subject line.
 >Dave



From kramc11 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 13:45:43 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:45:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
Message-ID: <59BAD6F871A24D12A8C68F3CADE1EF5C@SonyPC>

What are the ideological differences between the NFB and the ACB?

 

Thanks 

Mark 


From aphelps at bism.org  Fri Nov 20 14:22:55 2009
From: aphelps at bism.org (aphelps at bism.org)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:22:55 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
In-Reply-To: <59BAD6F871A24D12A8C68F3CADE1EF5C@SonyPC>
References: <59BAD6F871A24D12A8C68F3CADE1EF5C@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <848186717-1258726959-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360636241-@bda455.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Mark, any number of people can give you their opinion about the difference but you should form your own. Read and compare the presidential annual reports of the two then form your own opinion.  There is also a document written by the President of the ACB where he outlines the philosophy of the ACB. I suggest you read and then decide for yourself the difference.

Amy
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:45:43 
To: NABS<nabs at acb.org>; National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB

What are the ideological differences between the NFB and the ACB?

 

Thanks 

Mark 

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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 14:47:55 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:47:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of Virginia Student Division welcomes a new Board
	of	Directors
In-Reply-To: <99E7F55F-83BD-4DA8-A7E0-097A1BF6E93B@gmail.com>
References: <99E7F55F-83BD-4DA8-A7E0-097A1BF6E93B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b06ac1f.9553f10a.6676.4f5d@mx.google.com>

Congratulations to the new Virginia blind student division board! 

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
Visit my livejournal: 
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
Follow me on Twitter: 
http://twitter.com/lizbot 





From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Fri Nov 20 15:25:54 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:25:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] internet radio
In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0911150719k27ea26bbi84a2c152b897cf34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3fea3c410911141631s217632b8i4ebd11ece9c4c37@mail.gmail.com>	<4383d01d0911141727q7cd712e3v2cac86c459247d46@mail.gmail.com>	<287B7F8F272F4AEF9DB77DC725E0CF7E@kevin9ee0841f6>	<85ff10070911141956n7e00e3d8vb3672f8acd18e47a@mail.gmail.com>	<753BECEC9A794160B85FE21BD3E282F2@radio360usa>	<39B6700CB9C3496C8D64515774C32140@Hope>
	<4383d01d0911150719k27ea26bbi84a2c152b897cf34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca69f5$c1c81620$45584260$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Last.fm isn't free like Pandora though; after 30 songs it stops working
unless you pay up.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 10:20 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] internet radio

But Ken Larwence from the Performing Arts and Music lists recommends last.fm
Beth

On 11/15/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:
> I actually contacted them, as we use Pandora a great deal in my Spanish
> classes. The person from Pandora support said they are attempting to make
> the site accessible-- evidently it uses flash player. I think the more
> people who contact them, the faster they'll try to get things accessible
for
> us.
> Sincerely,
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] internet radio
>
>
>>I may contact Pandora myself. I've seen many web-based players like the
>>ones Loudcity use for streaming stations that are quite accessible. So I
>>think they could maybe make two versions of the page. One with all the
>>glitter and glow that sighted people seem to feel flash brings, and the
>>other with buttons that can be clicked with standard jaws commands to
>>control these things.
>>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Fri Nov 20 15:33:16 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
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Is there a course calendar? Sometimes those have names of professors there.
Or if you can contact the department head(s) of the department under which
the courses you want are offered, they can usually either give you the name
of the text or tell you who the prof will be.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Miranda brown
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 7:47 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks

They won't tell me who some of the professors are.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Nathan Clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Textbooks

You need to talk to your professors yourself and ask for that information.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

On 11/18/09, Teal Bloodworth <tealbloodworth at gmail.com> wrote:
> hmm have you already registered? right now RFB&D has free memberships 
> and your discability services may have a membership. Then if or 
> instead you could go through the publisher and get an electronic 
> format of the textbook for the computer or a stream...
>
>         -Teal
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Miranda brown" <brownbears at mchsi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:51 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] College Textbooks
>
>
>>I am fairly new to all of the college seen and a returning student.  
>>Are  their any laws or anything requiring the colleges to give us our 
>>book  information in advance. I still do not have my book information 
>>for my  classes that start in January and I am starting to get concerned.
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From newmanrl at cox.net  Fri Nov 20 15:59:43 2009
From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 09:59:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New USA White Cane Manufacture
Message-ID: <1D4BBB58C29A4656BFB54D712C51CBA4@D78R0TG1>

I know this guy. I've seen his canes. They appear to be of the type that we
expect and accept.

Hello,

	I would like to introduce myself; I am Bob Riley the owner of
B-Canes.  We are a company who employ the blind and visually impaired.  I
started this company for the demand of canes for the blind.  I found that
most of the canes were being made overseas and not contributing to the US
work force.  The reason I started this company is to provide employment for
the blind.  My goal is to grow the company and provide even more employment
for the blind and visually impaired down the road.  I myself am visually
impaired.

	We make both rigid and folding canes.  The rigid canes are made by
gluing two to three different sizes of filament wound fiberglass tubing
together depending on the customer's preference.  The Fiberglass wound
tubing is made here in the United States.  These can be made in any length
you wish and we can also make child size canes.   The folding canes we make
are made from 100% of the same material which is rated five times stronger
than steel.  Both the rigid and folding are wrapped in a high grade white
reflective tape.

	I hope that next time you are planning to place an order for white
canes you consider trying B-Canes.  I strongly feel that you won't regret
giving our canes a try.  I thank you for your time.

Sincerely
Bob Riley

 
B-CANES
Robert Riley
1633 N. Irving
Fremont, Ne.  68025
Phone 402-727-5806 or
402-960-9880
Email bober49 at q.com or
herbiehskr at cox.net



Rigid Canes


Lengths		Cost		Quantities

54"-64"		$20.00	1 to 50

54"-64"		$18.00	51 or more

			Folding Canes

3 or 4 Section Cane 1-50 $24.00 EA. 50 or more $22.00 EA

Any special order changes to the canes will be an extra charge
Hello,

	I would like to introduce myself; I am Bob Riley the owner of
B-Canes.  We are a company who employ the blind and visually impaired.  I
started this company for the demand of canes for the blind.  I found that
most of the canes were being made overseas and not contributing to the US
work force.  The reason I started this company is to provide employment for
the blind.  My goal is to grow the company and provide even more employment
for the blind and visually impaired down the road.  I myself am visually
impaired.

	We make both rigid and folding canes.  The rigid canes are made by
gluing two to three different sizes of filament wound fiberglass tubing
together depending on the customer's preference.  The Fiberglass wound
tubing is made here in the United States.  These can be made in any length
you wish and we can also make child size canes.   The folding canes we make
are made from 100% of the same material which is rated five times stronger
than steel.  Both the rigid and folding are wrapped in a high grade white
reflective tape.

	I hope that next time you are planning to place an order for white
canes you consider trying B-Canes.  I strongly feel that you won't regret
giving our canes a try.  I thank you for your time.

Sincerely
Bob Riley

 
B-CANES
Robert Riley
1633 N. Irving
Fremont, Ne.  68025
Phone 402-727-5806 or
402-960-9880
Email bober49 at q.com or
herbiehskr at cox.net



Rigid Canes


Lengths		Cost		Quantities

54"-64"		$20.00	1 to 50

54"-64"		$18.00	51 or more

			Folding Canes

3 or 4 Section Cane 1-50 $24.00 EA. 50 or more $22.00 EA

Any special order changes to the canes will be an extra charge


Robert Leslie Newman 
Email- newmanrl at cox.net
THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info


From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Fri Nov 20 23:29:52 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:29:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
In-Reply-To: <848186717-1258726959-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360636241-@bda455.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <59BAD6F871A24D12A8C68F3CADE1EF5C@SonyPC>
	<848186717-1258726959-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360636241-@bda455.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <632092010911201529o3a7a2d89o1892dcc7c15bee37@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Amy. Besides, when you speak of the differences between
the two organizations, you don't tend to get very far in the NFB,
(Sorry guys, its the truth.) I've vowed to research the two
organizations' histories, however issues in my personal and
educational life have prevented me from having the time...

>From what I understand, and this is not based on any oppinion I have,
the difference between the NFB and the ACB is we are more straight
forward, we apparently, "destroy," things that have problems in them,
then "rebuild them," whereas the ACB works to "fix as they go," by
making small adjustments here and there until it is fixed.

Like any group of people we disagree on certain topics, like the
accessibility of money. But, again this is only what I've heard. I
have no oppinion as of now, except for the oppinion that somehow,
eventually the two organizations need to reconcile and agree to
disagree and the members need to stop picking on each other and
avoiding the topic like the pleague. Maybe I'm just making wistful
wishes, but time will tell.

Thank you.
Aziza Cano
California Association of Blind Students First Vice-President
Channel Islands Chapter, Secretary
Young Energetic Students Supporting Independence, President
www.yessinfb.org

On 11/20/09, aphelps at bism.org <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
> Mark, any number of people can give you their opinion about the difference
> but you should form your own. Read and compare the presidential annual
> reports of the two then form your own opinion.  There is also a document
> written by the President of the ACB where he outlines the philosophy of the
> ACB. I suggest you read and then decide for yourself the difference.
>
> Amy
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:45:43
> To: NABS<nabs at acb.org>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
>
> What are the ideological differences between the NFB and the ACB?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
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From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Nov 21 00:31:31 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:31:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
References: <B209B1F1810B4E479ED3EE678A84BBB6@Gateway><4afb2c76.095c5e0a.397b.2ed6@mx.google.com><3D36F04654AE4B24A259FCDA398748B9@Gateway><000f01ca6330$978ed220$0301a8c0@Serene><3632B7E70E4C40F898974FBAE54CB543@Gateway><00e101ca6387$e7837f90$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1><E8B4FA5201DF4862A934225F8828D5DB@JBSLAGLE><001301ca6499$29d59ec0$0301a8c0@Serene><DBBD649BC82247A18845615181CE2BA0@shannon><001701ca6620$951ca6f0$0301a8c0@Serene>
	<002501ca662c$f0dc8b20$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>
Message-ID: <010b01ca6a41$f8e55cc0$0301a8c0@Serene>

I just found what seems to be a new mobile facebook site.  I google searched 
facebook mobile and eventually found a link for it.  I couldn't find the 
url, so you'll have to google it.

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site


>I tried the moble facebook site from my computer and it seems to be working 
>for me.
> Rania,
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>
>
>> Shannon,
>>
>> Are you using your computer or your cell phone to access it?  I tried to 
>> go on it with my computer once again today and got an error message about 
>> the servor being messed up.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "solsticesinger" <solsticesinger at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>
>>
>>>I use mobile facebook exclusively, and have had no problems doing so.
>>>
>>> Shannon
>>> Are you a fan of women's music? If so, check out the Eclectic 
>>> Collection: A
>>> Celebration of Women In Music, each Wednesday evening from 7 until 10
>>> eastern.
>>> www.radio360.us
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>> I just tried it now and it still isn't working.  Were you using your
>>> computer or your cell phone to access it?  I'd guess the problem 
>>> wouldn't
>>> occur on your cell cuz you can't really have viruses on there like you 
>>> can
>>> on your  computer.
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Corey Cook" <ccook01 at knology.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:16 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>
>>>
>>>> it seems to be working now
>>>>
>>>> Corey Cook
>>>> Facebook,
>>>> ccook01 at knology.net
>>>> Blog
>>>> blindrants.blogspot.com
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  From: Rania
>>>>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>  Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:04 AM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Send an email to info at facebook.com.
>>>>  Rania,
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:16 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > Hi Serena,
>>>>  >
>>>>  > How do I contact tech support? I've been looking on the regular
>>>> facebook
>>>>  > site, but I can't find any links or anything to send them a message. 
>>>> Of
>>>>  > course, a lot of those mouse over clickable things are useless as 
>>>> well.
>>>> If
>>>>  > I figure out how, I will definitely send them a message describing 
>>>> the
>>>>  > problem.
>>>>  >
>>>>  > Jen
>>>>  > ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  > From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>>>>  > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>  > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  > Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:39 PM
>>>>  > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>  >
>>>>  >
>>>>  >>I just tried going on there to confirm someone as a friend and the 
>>>> same
>>>>  >>thing happened to me.  Since this was the case, I suspect the site 
>>>> is
>>>>  >>having difficulties and this isn't a virus.  I think it's not a 
>>>> virus
>>>> only
>>>>  >>cuz I don't download stuff on my computer that could put a virus on
>>>> here.
>>>>  >>I'm gonna try going on the regular site and see what happens ... I 
>>>> was
>>>>  >>able to get on the regular site ok, so I guess it's a problem with 
>>>> the
>>>>  >>mobile site. Maybe, one of us can email the tech support people for
>>>>  >>facebook and ask what's going on.
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> Serena
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  >> From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>>  >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>  >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  >> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:41 PM
>>>>  >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>
>>>>  >>> Yes, I was. It seems to be fine if I use Fire Fox, but I don't 
>>>> really
>>>>  >>> like Fire Fox, so hopefully this doesn't last too long.
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>> Jen
>>>>  >>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>  >>> From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
>>>>  >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>  >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>  >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:28 PM
>>>>  >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>
>>>>  >>>>I take it you were on with your computer.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>  >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>>  >>>> Behalf
>>>>  >>>> Of Jennifer Aberdeen
>>>>  >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:45 AM
>>>>  >>>> To: NABS-L
>>>>  >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Facebook site
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>> Has anyone had this happen to them yet? When I go to the mobile
>>>>  >>>> facebook
>>>>  >>>> site, a dialog box comes up asking me if I want to open or save 
>>>> the
>>>>  >>>> file.
>>>>  >>>> Then it opens in Microsoft Digital Editor 2006.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>> What the heck is that all about? It worked fine yesterday.
>>>>  >>>>
>>>>  >>>> Jen
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 02:05:36 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:05:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
Message-ID: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,

I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been looking for some time for a job either teaching English as a second language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local university.  It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the way they explaiend it made it sound like they would be taking the majority of the payment, which simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, I will be teaching one online class and one class on campus, maintaining office hours, etc.

Have a great night!

Harry



      


From serenacucco at verizon.net  Sat Nov 21 02:30:03 2009
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:30:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101ca6a52$881e4c70$0301a8c0@Serene>

Congrats!

Serena


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!


> Hello everyone,
>
> I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been 
> looking for some time for a job either teaching English as a second 
> language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and 
> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local 
> university.  It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI 
> can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are 
> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the 
> way they explaiend it made it sound like they would be taking the majority 
> of the payment, which simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, 
> I will be teaching one online class and one class on campus, maintaining 
> office hours, etc.
>
> Have a great night!
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
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From hope.paulos at maine.edu  Sat Nov 21 02:34:56 2009
From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:34:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <497F98D2184A43E5BF486B1D43CCEBDC@Hope>

Felicitaciones, Harry! That is wonderful news. I forgot-- do you have a 
bachelor's degree or masters and what is it in? I know you speak fluent 
Spanish, but I can't remember what you majored in. Keep us posted!!!
Hope and Beignet
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!


> Hello everyone,
>
> I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been 
> looking for some time for a job either teaching English as a second 
> language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and 
> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local 
> university.  It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI 
> can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are 
> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the 
> way they explaiend it made it sound like they would be taking the majority 
> of the payment, which simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, 
> I will be teaching one online class and one class on campus, maintaining 
> office hours, etc.
>
> Have a great night!
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 03:06:16 2009
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:06:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005901ca6a57$983e7710$2f01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1>

great news!
Rania,
"For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
See you at the finish line."
~Christopher Reeve

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!


> Hello everyone,
>
> I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been 
> looking for some time for a job either teaching English as a second 
> language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and 
> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local 
> university.  It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI 
> can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are 
> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the 
> way they explaiend it made it sound like they would be taking the majority 
> of the payment, which simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, 
> I will be teaching one online class and one class on campus, maintaining 
> office hours, etc.
>
> Have a great night!
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sat Nov 21 03:07:02 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:07:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801ca6a57$b6da2890$248e79b0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

YAY! Congratulations!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Harry Hogue
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:06 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!

Hello everyone,

I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been looking
for some time for a job either teaching English as a second language (ESL)
or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and have accepted, a
position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local university.  It is
not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI can tell me how it
will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are taking out a third of my
compelte payment for food and shelter, and the way they explaiend it made it
sound like they would be taking the majority of the payment, which simply
doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, I will be teaching one online
class and one class on campus, maintaining office hours, etc.

Have a great night!

Harry



      

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 03:44:51 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:44:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
In-Reply-To: <632092010911201529o3a7a2d89o1892dcc7c15bee37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59BAD6F871A24D12A8C68F3CADE1EF5C@SonyPC>
	<848186717-1258726959-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1360636241-@bda455.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<632092010911201529o3a7a2d89o1892dcc7c15bee37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <409c235c0911201944y7352de18ldd6866d754a9618e@mail.gmail.com>

I'll say that  it's probably best to research things and come up with
your own conclution.
 Now that I've said that, I'm going to give you something to think about :).
 It's been my understanding that the NFB has had a pretty straight
forward see what the problem is and do what it takes to  change it
even if it means changing the whole system- point of view.
  The ACB is said to have  "no philosiphy" in that  they don't have a
real strong stance on something.
  They have been viewed as a "come as you are" orginazation.  They
may take different stances on  some of the big things that the NFB
might take  (such as audible intersections) but  they basically
believe in independence and having the ability to live  learn and
workas anybody else who is not blind as the NFB does.
 Again, best to kind of check it out for yourself.
 Best,
  Darian.

On 11/20/09, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Amy. Besides, when you speak of the differences between
> the two organizations, you don't tend to get very far in the NFB,
> (Sorry guys, its the truth.) I've vowed to research the two
> organizations' histories, however issues in my personal and
> educational life have prevented me from having the time...
>
> >From what I understand, and this is not based on any oppinion I have,
> the difference between the NFB and the ACB is we are more straight
> forward, we apparently, "destroy," things that have problems in them,
> then "rebuild them," whereas the ACB works to "fix as they go," by
> making small adjustments here and there until it is fixed.
>
> Like any group of people we disagree on certain topics, like the
> accessibility of money. But, again this is only what I've heard. I
> have no oppinion as of now, except for the oppinion that somehow,
> eventually the two organizations need to reconcile and agree to
> disagree and the members need to stop picking on each other and
> avoiding the topic like the pleague. Maybe I'm just making wistful
> wishes, but time will tell.
>
> Thank you.
> Aziza Cano
> California Association of Blind Students First Vice-President
> Channel Islands Chapter, Secretary
> Young Energetic Students Supporting Independence, President
> www.yessinfb.org
>
> On 11/20/09, aphelps at bism.org <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
>> Mark, any number of people can give you their opinion about the difference
>> but you should form your own. Read and compare the presidential annual
>> reports of the two then form your own opinion.  There is also a document
>> written by the President of the ACB where he outlines the philosophy of
>> the
>> ACB. I suggest you read and then decide for yourself the difference.
>>
>> Amy
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:45:43
>> To: NABS<nabs at acb.org>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
>>
>> What are the ideological differences between the NFB and the ACB?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mark
>>
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-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 04:01:18 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:01:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <002101ca6a52$881e4c70$0301a8c0@Serene>
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<002101ca6a52$881e4c70$0301a8c0@Serene>
Message-ID: <409c235c0911202001l3ec763a5w7b0bfd68128f888e@mail.gmail.com>

Harry,
   Please allow me the  oppertunity to formally pile on the
celebration gang and say... Congratulations! I'm happy for you.
  Darian

On 11/20/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
> Congrats!
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
>
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been
>> looking for some time for a job either teaching English as a second
>> language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and
>> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local
>> university.  It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI
>>
>> can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are
>> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the
>> way they explaiend it made it sound like they would be taking the majority
>>
>> of the payment, which simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that,
>>
>> I will be teaching one online class and one class on campus, maintaining
>> office hours, etc.
>>
>> Have a great night!
>>
>> Harry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 04:53:07 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:53:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0911202001l3ec763a5w7b0bfd68128f888e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <613835.18738.qm@web33505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks, everyone!!!!!


Harry

--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:01 PM
> Harry,
>    Please allow me the  oppertunity to
> formally pile on the
> celebration gang and say... Congratulations! I'm happy for
> you.
>   Darian
> 
> On 11/20/09, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> > Congrats!
> >
> > Serena
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> > To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
> > Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> >
> >
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a
> job.  I have been
> >> looking for some time for a job either teaching
> English as a second
> >> language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity. 
> I have been offered, and
> >> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor
> of Spanish at my local
> >> university.  It is not a full-time position,
> and someone familiar with SSI
> >>
> >> can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if
> they would.  They are
> >> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food
> and shelter, and the
> >> way they explaiend it made it sound like they
> would be taking the majority
> >>
> >> of the payment, which simply doesn't sound
> right.  Regardless of all that,
> >>
> >> I will be teaching one online class and one class
> on campus, maintaining
> >> office hours, etc.
> >>
> >> Have a great night!
> >>
> >> Harry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a
> nationwide teacher
> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and
> passionate
> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we
> need your
> help!   To Get Involved  go to:
> www.TeachBlindStudents.org
> 
> 
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you
> feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility
> stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off
> our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt
> we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you,
> and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that
> needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq
> Obama
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 05:02:55 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:02:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <497F98D2184A43E5BF486B1D43CCEBDC@Hope>
Message-ID: <825135.42974.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Muchas gracias, Hope.  I have a bachelor's degree in Spanish.  :)  That's wh I'm only an adjunct.  They are working on getting an M.A. program, however, and if and when that happens, I will enroll in that program for further education, as i have always planned.

Harry


--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

> From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 8:34 PM
> Felicitaciones, Harry! That is
> wonderful news. I forgot-- do you have a bachelor's degree
> or masters and what is it in? I know you speak fluent
> Spanish, but I can't remember what you majored in. Keep us
> posted!!!
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> 
> 
> > Hello everyone,
> > 
> > I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a
> job.  I have been looking for some time for a job
> either teaching English as a second language (ESL) or
> Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and
> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of
> Spanish at my local university.  It is not a full-time
> position, and someone familiar with SSI can tell me how it
> will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are
> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and
> shelter, and the way they explaiend it made it sound like
> they would be taking the majority of the payment, which
> simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, I
> will be teaching one online class and one class on campus,
> maintaining office hours, etc.
> > 
> > Have a great night!
> > 
> > Harry
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 21 05:56:20 2009
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:56:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
References: <825135.42974.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BE0FC366EF74480E883182AE2A63DF52@windows4c0ed96>

Terrific!  Much continued success! And one question, if I may,  will you be 
hiring your own readers, perhaps?  Ginnie
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!


Muchas gracias, Hope.  I have a bachelor's degree in Spanish.  :)  That's wh 
I'm only an adjunct.  They are working on getting an M.A. program, however, 
and if and when that happens, I will enroll in that program for further 
education, as i have always planned.

Harry


--- On Fri, 11/20/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu> wrote:

> From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 8:34 PM
> Felicitaciones, Harry! That is
> wonderful news. I forgot-- do you have a bachelor's degree
> or masters and what is it in? I know you speak fluent
> Spanish, but I can't remember what you majored in. Keep us
> posted!!!
> Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a
> job. I have been looking for some time for a job
> either teaching English as a second language (ESL) or
> Spanish in some copassity. I have been offered, and
> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of
> Spanish at my local university. It is not a full-time
> position, and someone familiar with SSI can tell me how it
> will affect my benefits, if they would. They are
> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and
> shelter, and the way they explaiend it made it sound like
> they would be taking the majority of the payment, which
> simply doesn't sound right. Regardless of all that, I
> will be teaching one online class and one class on campus,
> maintaining office hours, etc.
> >
> > Have a great night!
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 06:19:03 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:19:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <BE0FC366EF74480E883182AE2A63DF52@windows4c0ed96>
Message-ID: <344913.76359.qm@web33506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I will not be using readers; my students will submit work electronicly, and I will scan in any other printed material.


--- On Fri, 11/20/09, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 11:56 PM
> Terrific!  Much continued
> success! And one question, if I may,  will you be
> hiring your own readers, perhaps?  Ginnie
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> 
> 
> Muchas gracias, Hope.  I have a bachelor's degree in
> Spanish.  :)  That's wh I'm only an adjunct. 
> They are working on getting an M.A. program, however, and if
> and when that happens, I will enroll in that program for
> further education, as i have always planned.
> 
> Harry
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/20/09, Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Hope Paulos <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 8:34 PM
> > Felicitaciones, Harry! That is
> > wonderful news. I forgot-- do you have a bachelor's
> degree
> > or masters and what is it in? I know you speak fluent
> > Spanish, but I can't remember what you majored in.
> Keep us
> > posted!!!
> > Hope and Beignet
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
> <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
> > To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 9:05 PM
> > Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I am very pleased to tell you that I have found
> a
> > job. I have been looking for some time for a job
> > either teaching English as a second language (ESL) or
> > Spanish in some copassity. I have been offered, and
> > have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of
> > Spanish at my local university. It is not a full-time
> > position, and someone familiar with SSI can tell me
> how it
> > will affect my benefits, if they would. They are
> > taking out a third of my compelte payment for food
> and
> > shelter, and the way they explaiend it made it sound
> like
> > they would be taking the majority of the payment,
> which
> > simply doesn't sound right. Regardless of all that, I
> > will be teaching one online class and one class on
> campus,
> > maintaining office hours, etc.
> > >
> > > Have a great night!
> > >
> > > Harry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 07:59:44 2009
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:59:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <734A9723290E457E9CA0AA300037A06F@Dezman>

Congrads Harry.

Dezman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!


> Hello everyone,
>
> I am very pleased to tell you that I have found a job.  I have been 
> looking for some time for a job either teaching English as a second 
> language (ESL) or Spanish in some copassity.  I have been offered, and 
> have accepted, a position as an adjunct instructor of Spanish at my local 
> university.  It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar with SSI 
> can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are 
> taking out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the 
> way they explaiend it made it sound like they would be taking the majority 
> of the payment, which simply doesn't sound right.  Regardless of all that, 
> I will be teaching one online class and one class on campus, maintaining 
> office hours, etc.
>
> Have a great night!
>
> Harry
>
>
>
>
>
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From jbahm at pcdesk.net  Sat Nov 21 08:02:56 2009
From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:02:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B079EB0.7020408@pcdesk.net>

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Hello there. You wrote:

> It is not a full-time position, and someone familiar
> with SSI can tell me how it will affect my benefits, if they would.  They are taking
> out a third of my compelte payment for food and shelter, and the way they explaiend
> it made it sound like they would be taking the majority of the payment, which simply
> doesn't sound right.

Ok, here's the basic formula for determining SSI payments. This assumes
your state doesn't contribute matching dollars or anything like that.
This is the basic formula for federal SSI. Before we go on, you need to
know I'm not an SSI expert. Don't take my statements as diffinitive.
This is how the system works to the best of my knowledge. However, there
are lots of exceptions and stuff. You'll want to talk to an actual SSI
representative about your specific situation. You'll also need to
consider things like overpayments and that if you're making enough
money. Here's how you can calculate it though, assuming only federal
dollars and no special exceptions.

First, if you have over $2000 in assets as of midnight the first of the
month, you are not elegable for SSI that month. That number goes up to
$3000 combined assets if you are married. If you don't have that, then
continue on.

Let m be the maximum amount the feds pay in SSI. Last time I checked,
that number was $637. It may be different now. Let i be the amount of
money you make in income. Let a be the amount you are going to receive
for a month. The following two formulas can be used to calculate your
benefit amount, or a.

If your room and board are not covered, meaning you pay your own rent
and that, the formula is:

a = m - ((i - 85) / 2)

If your room and board are covered, like you've implied is true in your
case, the formula is:

a = (m * (2 / 3)) - ((i - 85) / 2)

The two formulas are identicle, except that m is reduced by 1/3 in the
second formula. Don't let the parenthesis scare you off, even though
they seem excessive in the second formula. I put an extra set in for
clarity. In english, this set of formulas means:

1. Start with the maximum amount the feds currently pay in SSI. $637
last time I checked.

2. If your room and board are covered, reduce the amount paid by 1/3.
The number becomes $420.42 if it was $637.

3. If there is income other than SSI, first subtract 85 dollars from
that income. Then for every two dollars left over, subtract one dollar
from the amount paid in SSI.

Let's do a quick example to clarify how the formula works. Suppose the
maximum amount is still $637, and that you are making $1000 per month in
income. In that case, m=637 and i=1000 in our formulas. So, if your room
and board are not covered, you would receive:

a = 637 - ((1000 - 85) / 2)
a = 637 -  457.5
a = 179.5

You would receive $179.50 in benefits.

If your room and board are covered, the formula works out as:

a = (637 * (2 / 3)) - ((1000 - 85) / 2)
a = 420.42 - 457.5
a = -37.08

In this case, you wouldn't be receiving anything in SSI benefits since a
<= 0.

Hope this helps. Again, I encourage you to speak with a social security
representative about your specific situation.
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From AZNOR99 at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 13:17:20 2009
From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:17:20 EST
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [il-talk] Fw: [blindkid] Fwd: Last call for your
	Leading the Way Adventu...
Message-ID: <d22.557298ff.38394260@aol.com>



 
  
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Sent: 11/20/2009 3:27:17 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time
Subj: [il-talk] Fw: [blindkid] Fwd: Last call for your Leading the Way  
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol  Castellano" <blindchildren at verizon.net>
To:  <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:53  PM
Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Last call for your Leading the Way  Adventure!



>I am forwarding this  information.
Carol

>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:00:05 +0000  (GMT)
>From: Shannon Smiley  <shannon at globalexplorers.org>
>To: "blindchildren at verizon.net"  <blindchildren at verizon.net>
>Subject: Last call for your Leading  the Way Adventure!
>
>Dear Carol,
>
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sat Nov 21 17:03:10 2009
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:03:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
Message-ID: <20091121170310.11965.81343@web3.serotek.com>

I would agree. It is best to check it out for yourself and come to your 
own conclusions.

There is one thing that I felt worth mentioning. Aziza said that one 
doesn't get far in the NFB when asking about the ACB. I haven't found 
that to e true, and I live in Washington State where our history with 
the ACB was as bloody as that in California. More to the point, I think 
it depends on who you ask. When I asked people in the NfB, they said 
the same thing we're saying: do the research and discover the 
differences and similarities yourself. However, they were more than 
happy to share their opinions based on reesearch and past experience 
and were also willing to help me find the best material I could find on 
the subject.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> I'll say that  it's probably best to research things and come up with
> your own conclution.
>  Now that I've said that, I'm going to give you something to think about :).
>  It's been my understanding that the NFB has had a pretty straight
> forward see what the problem is and do what it takes to  change it
> even if it means changing the whole system- point of view.
>   The ACB is said to have  "no philosiphy" in that  they don't have a
> real strong stance on something.
>   They have been viewed as a "come as you are" orginazation.  They
> may take different stances on  some of the big things that the NFB
> might take  (such as audible intersections) but  they basically
> believe in independence and having the ability to live  learn and
> workas anybody else who is not blind as the NFB does.
>  Again, best to kind of check it out for yourself.
>  Best,
>   Darian.

> On 11/20/09, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree with Amy. Besides, when you speak of the differences between
>> the two organizations, you don't tend to get very far in the NFB,
>> (Sorry guys, its the truth.) I've vowed to research the two
>> organizations' histories, however issues in my personal and
>> educational life have prevented me from having the time...

>>> From what I understand, and this is not based on any oppinion I have,
>> the difference between the NFB and the ACB is we are more straight
>> forward, we apparently, "destroy," things that have problems in them,
>> then "rebuild them," whereas the ACB works to "fix as they go," by
>> making small adjustments here and there until it is fixed.

>> Like any group of people we disagree on certain topics, like the
>> accessibility of money. But, again this is only what I've heard. I
>> have no oppinion as of now, except for the oppinion that somehow,
>> eventually the two organizations need to reconcile and agree to
>> disagree and the members need to stop picking on each other and
>> avoiding the topic like the pleague. Maybe I'm just making wistful
>> wishes, but time will tell.

>> Thank you.

>> Aziza Cano>> California Association of Blind Students First Vice-President
>> Channel Islands Chapter, Secretary
>> Young Energetic Students Supporting Independence, President
>> www.yessinfb.org

>> On 11/20/09, aphelps at bism.org <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
>>> Mark, any number of people can give you their opinion about the difference
>>> but you should form your own. Read and compare the presidential annual
>>> reports of the two then form your own opinion.  There is also a document
>>> written by the President of the ACB where he outlines the philosophy of
>>> the
>>> ACB. I suggest you read and then decide for yourself the difference.

>>> Amy
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:45:43
>>> To: NABS<nabs at acb.org>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB

>>> What are the ideological differences between the NFB and the ACB?



>>> Thanks

>>> Mark

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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 21:04:25 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:04:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A facebook query
Message-ID: <79C3F22B090A4DE9B19DF5B08376210C@sarahcomp>

I have a blog entry here describing what happened.  That will be easier then
retyping what I just went through.

Take care and no webvisum didn't work in this case. Here is the link.

http://marrie.klangoblog.net/2009/11/21/a-facebook-conundrum/

Stay  safe and be blessed.



From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 21:27:03 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:27:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
In-Reply-To: <20091121170310.11965.81343@web3.serotek.com>
References: <20091121170310.11965.81343@web3.serotek.com>
Message-ID: <632092010911211327g7911d016q700771d22bfa7bf9@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps its based on experience the kind of help you get for
understanding the split. But, I and the rest of the students in YESSI
haven't found much support other than being told to read the books. I
intend to, although students don't really have a lot of free time on
our hands. I am a full time student, a president, vice president, and
secretary of three different NFB chapter/devisions, and I am a sales
rep for another blind support product. I have family and other
obligations, so I have been unable to sit and read. Many of th epeople
I've asked about the matter have been less than encouraging, although
I admit not all of them have been this way.

Thank you.
Aziza
California Association of Blind Students, First Vice-President
Channel Islands Chapter, Secretary
Young Energetic Students Supporting Independence, President
www.yessinfb.org

On 11/21/09, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
> I would agree. It is best to check it out for yourself and come to your
> own conclusions.
>
> There is one thing that I felt worth mentioning. Aziza said that one
> doesn't get far in the NFB when asking about the ACB. I haven't found
> that to e true, and I live in Washington State where our history with
> the ACB was as bloody as that in California. More to the point, I think
> it depends on who you ask. When I asked people in the NfB, they said
> the same thing we're saying: do the research and discover the
> differences and similarities yourself. However, they were more than
> happy to share their opinions based on reesearch and past experience
> and were also willing to help me find the best material I could find on
> the subject.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
>
> Original message:
>> I'll say that  it's probably best to research things and come up with
>> your own conclution.
>>  Now that I've said that, I'm going to give you something to think about
>> :).
>>  It's been my understanding that the NFB has had a pretty straight
>> forward see what the problem is and do what it takes to  change it
>> even if it means changing the whole system- point of view.
>>   The ACB is said to have  "no philosiphy" in that  they don't have a
>> real strong stance on something.
>>   They have been viewed as a "come as you are" orginazation.  They
>> may take different stances on  some of the big things that the NFB
>> might take  (such as audible intersections) but  they basically
>> believe in independence and having the ability to live  learn and
>> workas anybody else who is not blind as the NFB does.
>>  Again, best to kind of check it out for yourself.
>>  Best,
>>   Darian.
>
>> On 11/20/09, Aziza C <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree with Amy. Besides, when you speak of the differences between
>>> the two organizations, you don't tend to get very far in the NFB,
>>> (Sorry guys, its the truth.) I've vowed to research the two
>>> organizations' histories, however issues in my personal and
>>> educational life have prevented me from having the time...
>
>>>> From what I understand, and this is not based on any oppinion I have,
>>> the difference between the NFB and the ACB is we are more straight
>>> forward, we apparently, "destroy," things that have problems in them,
>>> then "rebuild them," whereas the ACB works to "fix as they go," by
>>> making small adjustments here and there until it is fixed.
>
>>> Like any group of people we disagree on certain topics, like the
>>> accessibility of money. But, again this is only what I've heard. I
>>> have no oppinion as of now, except for the oppinion that somehow,
>>> eventually the two organizations need to reconcile and agree to
>>> disagree and the members need to stop picking on each other and
>>> avoiding the topic like the pleague. Maybe I'm just making wistful
>>> wishes, but time will tell.
>
>>> Thank you.
>
>>> Aziza Cano>> California Association of Blind Students First
>>> Vice-President
>>> Channel Islands Chapter, Secretary
>>> Young Energetic Students Supporting Independence, President
>>> www.yessinfb.org
>
>>> On 11/20/09, aphelps at bism.org <aphelps at bism.org> wrote:
>>>> Mark, any number of people can give you their opinion about the
>>>> difference
>>>> but you should form your own. Read and compare the presidential annual
>>>> reports of the two then form your own opinion.  There is also a document
>>>> written by the President of the ACB where he outlines the philosophy of
>>>> the
>>>> ACB. I suggest you read and then decide for yourself the difference.
>
>>>> Amy
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:45:43
>>>> To: NABS<nabs at acb.org>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] ACB VS NFB
>
>>>> What are the ideological differences between the NFB and the ACB?
>
>
>
>>>> Thanks
>
>>>> Mark
>
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From mhartle at nfb.org  Sun Nov 22 00:53:17 2009
From: mhartle at nfb.org (Hartle,
	Mary Jo)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:53:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB Leadership and Advocacy in Washington Program for
 Students
Message-ID: <auto-000128518755@mailfront2.g2host.com>


The National Federation of the Blind Announces
The 2010 NFB Leadership and Advocacy in Washington, D.C., (LAW) Program
Engaging the Voice of America's Blind Youth

For Youth Grades 6-9 or Ages 12-16
April 16-20, 2010
Washington, D.C., and Baltimore, MD

This four-day experience will provide blind and low vision students 
with a unique opportunity to explore the inner workings of our 
country's government, its history, and its culture while staying at 
the national headquarters for the National Federation of the Blind in 
Baltimore, MD. In addition to learning about grassroots legislation 
efforts, how resolutions are passed, and how various blindness 
legislation is brought about, participants will learn more about 
advocacy work for blind individuals and available resources for blind 
students and adults.

Highlights of the Program include:

* Visits to historical sites in Washington, D.C.
* Meetings with, and presentations from, influential government leaders
* Presentations by influential leaders from the largest blindness 
advocacy group in the country
* Tours of the National Federation of the Blind national headquarters
* A visit to the International Braille and Technology Center, the 
largest lab of accessible technology for the blind

Program Details:
* Cost: There will be a $250 fee for accepted students.  All other 
expenses including transportation, room, and board will be provided
* All accepted students must be accompanied by a parent/guardian, 
teacher, or blind/low vision mentor from their home state
* No more than twenty-five participants from across the country will 
be accepted
* Applications are due by February 1, 2010, to be considered

To learn more about this exciting new program, or to apply online, 
please visit <http://www.nfb.org/LAWProgram>www.nfb.org/LAWProgram or 
contact Mary Jo T. Hartle, director of education at (410) 659-9314, 
ext. 2407,  or by e-mail at <mailto:mhartle at nfb.org>mhartle at nfb.org.

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Mary Jo T. Hartle



Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC

Director of Education
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410)659-9314 ext. 2407
Email: <mailto:mhartle at nfb.org>mhartle at nfb.org
Fax: (410) 659-5129
Visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org


From singinggirl017 at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 22 01:50:26 2009
From: singinggirl017 at hotmail.com (Macy McClain)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:50:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #151- The Braille Princess
In-Reply-To: <4308A2FDAF754F75BA9BBC009F186540@D78R0TG1>
References: <4308A2FDAF754F75BA9BBC009F186540@D78R0TG1>
Message-ID: <SNT124-W61D4B0F73BD7AD8BD0DBA19A9F0@phx.gbl>


Awww! That is such a cute story which explains a lot!

Macy
 
> From: newmanrl at cox.net
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:32:12 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #151- The Braille Princess
> 
> NABS
> RE: The Braille Princess
> 
> How young can blind kids learn to read Braille? If you have not read the
> PROVOKER, it follows. Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my
> web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is-
> Http://thoughtprovoker.info <http://thoughtprovoker.info/> If you wish to
> receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at-
> newmanrl at cox.net 
> 
> THOUGHT PROVOKER 151
> The Braille Princess
> "This is our first day of kindergarten." The faces of the small children
> grouped around the teacher all looked up with energy filled expectation. "I
> want us to talk about one very, very important skill all teachers want their
> students to learn. It is reading. First, to make sure we understand new
> words --- what is a skill?" Teacher and students shared back and forth,
> clarifying several key words.
> 
> The teacher asked, "How many of you can read?" Nearly all hands shot up. "Oh
> my, what a smart class." Testing prior to the beginning of school had shown
> the teacher each student's skill level. Nearly all of them could read, most
> only a few words and a very few could actually read beginning children's
> books.
> 
> "Why do you think being able to read is important?" Many voices and hands
> answered her question. 
> 
> Pointing to a small girl bouncing on her knees, hand pumping, the teacher
> chose, "Breanna."
> 
> "To read to your mommy and daddy."
> 
> "Good answer. Reading to your parents is an excellent reason. Thank you." 
> 
> After taking several more answers the teacher moved into the next phase of
> the day's plan. "It is also important for you children to learn from one
> another. Today, I have asked two students to bring one of their favorite
> books and read it to the class. And by the end of this school year, I expect
> that you all will have your turn." Indicating the kid-size chair at her
> side, "Michael, you are first."
> 
> Seated, the small boy nervously fingered his brightly colored book, holding
> its cover forward to show it to his audience. "My favorite book is 'Ruffles,
> The Big Red Dog." Positioning it on his lap, he began reading.
> 
> "Thank you Michael. And now, Kendra. Please come up to our reading chair."
> Tapping the chair, the teacher watched the small girl with her arching cane
> home in on the sound guide.
> 
> "Students, remember, earlier today, we learned about why Kendra uses a white
> cane when she moves around the school." 
> 
> A young voice from the audience said, "She blind." 
> 
> "Yes, she is blind." Carrying on, the teacher said, "And so now we are going
> to learn about Braille, which is how Kendra can read." 
> 
> The small girl seated, cane at her feet, the teacher asked, "Kendra, first
> please show and tell us the name of your book. Then tell the class a little
> about Braille."
> 
> Composure intact, Kendra answered, "I learned to read when I was three. You
> read print because you can see it. I read Braille, because I am blind and
> blind people read Braille with their fingers. Braille is raised dots. I can
> read as good as anybody." She raised the book up for all to see its cover.
> "My favorite book is the 'Princess and the Pea.' My daddy calls me his
> Princess." 
> 
> "Hey," exclaimed a student! "No picture! No letters!"
> 
> After the stories were read, the teacher again addressed her class. "Miss
> Young, my assistant has arranged the chairs in a circle. Each of you have
> your own chair, your name is on it. So to find your chair, you must read the
> name-tag." The classroom noise level fell, then swelled; expressions on
> faces ranged from blank wonderment, to knowing intelligence. "Reading is
> important. I know some of you cannot read yet. However, soon I expect that
> you will. So for help now, ask your neighbor or Miss Young or me to assist
> you." The noisy reading and sorting began.
> 
> "She's sitting in my chair!" The outcry of the small red-haired boy was all
> but lost in the overall noise level.
> 
> "Kendra --- Tommy, we need to check the label," intervened the frazzled
> Para. Lightly touching the petite blind girl sitting quietly on the chair in
> question, "Honey, did you feel for the Braille label on the back of the
> seat?" Leaning forward to look herself as she spoke. 
> 
> "A problem here?" The teacher walked up. 
> 
> "Oh my," Miss Young looked at her boss, "the name-tag is missing." 
> 
> "Tommy knocked it off and it fell on the seat," said the boy from the next
> chair over.
> 
> "Yes, I'm sitting on my name," said Kendra. "And Tommy, you need to learn to
> read Braille."
> 
> The eyes of the two adults met, both smiled, the teacher said, "Kendra, we
> are going to call you, our Braille Princess."
> 
> 
> 
> Robert Leslie Newman 
> Email- newmanrl at cox.net
> THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- 
> Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info
> 
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From liz.bottner at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 14:32:05 2009
From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 09:32:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <368211.12503.qm@web33502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4b094b61.9653f10a.7c76.ffff9a96@mx.google.com>

Harry, 

Congratulations. This is awesome news! Buena suerte! (I think that's right,
anyway).

Liz 

email: 
liz.bottner at gmail.com 
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http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 16:21:24 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:21:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention To Those Who Love Playing Accessible Computer
	Games
Message-ID: <FFD0C9DA0903438FB58ED3C3C7508FFA@radio360usa>

Hello There!
This is a message to tell you that
1. If interested in finding out about my Djd Invasion shows on a weekly basis, feel free to visit my web site at
http://www.radio360.us
where you can subscribe to my email list, apply for a slot to broadcast, etc.
2. I also wanted to let you know that an extremely enthusiastic and awesome accessible game developer from Sweden will be on The Djd Invasion tonight to discuss his first ever accessible game, his plans for the future for his company, etc. You'll get to hear a demo of this first game, Q9 Action Game, too. And if that's not enough for you, you'll be able to call in and ask questions of this fine game developer.
The show will start at 7 PM eastern, and you can listen between 7 and 11 PM eastern by going to
http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml
Thanks again, and have a very safe and happy Thanksgiving!
>From David Dunphy, Radio360 Station Manager and host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.radio360.us


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From vpbraille at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 23:34:08 2009
From: vpbraille at gmail.com (Valerie Perry)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:34:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Should DSS hire certified braille transcribers?
Message-ID: <000001ca6bcc$4b1a0fa0$e14e2ee0$@com>

What is the "norm" out there? Do most of your college DSS offices produce
any hard copy Braille like for test and such? Or is electronic files pretty
much all you can get so that is what is settled for? I am curious if
advocating for a certified Braille transcriber be put on staff is pointless.
Currently, they are producing Braille but can't even read  a page number.
So far they have managed to avoid putting any of the test into Braille but I
wonder what will happen when a professor does get the test to them on time.
What should we be advocating for in regards to textbooks, is electronic
files that have to be cleaned up what we are settling for? Or is it too big
of a dream for publishers to hire the dwindling supply of experienced
certified Braille transcribers and release Braille formatted electronics
files at the same time print versions are released?

 

Thanks

Valerie


From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Nov 23 03:47:28 2009
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:47:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Lists on NFBNet.org
Message-ID: <auto-000128591432@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I am pleased to announce several new lists here on the nfbnet.org 
server.  They include:

albinism-talk at nfbnet.org,
blind-international-students at nfbnet.org,
CapChapOhio at nfbnet.org,
flagdu at nfbnet.org,
idparents at nfbnet.org,
nmabs at nfbnet.org,
nfbk at nfbnet.org,
nfbk-lexington at nfbnet.org,


Please read on to find out more about each new list, as well as how 
to subscribe to each of them.

David Andrews, List Owner

albinism talk

Albinism-talk is the listserv of the National Federation of the Blind 
relating to albinism.  The purpose of this list is to present and 
discuss issues concerning
albinism.  This list is designed to promote discussion among albinos 
about problems and issues that we face.  It will also share 
information with people who have an interest in the topic of 
albinism.  There will also be occasional posts concerning issues of 
major importance to the blind as well as announcements
concerning activities of the National Federation of the Blind.

To subscribe either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/albinism-talk_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to albinism-talk-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line of the message.

blind-international-students

The purpose of the Blind International Students mailing list is to 
unite international students and  provide them with a common platform 
through NFB to voice their opinions, to share their knowledge and 
information with one another, meet new people and make friends.

To subscribe to the list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-international-students_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to blind-international-students-request at nfbnet.org and 
put the word subscribe in the subject line.

Capital Chapter Ohio

The purpose of this list is to discuss issues of interest to the blind of
the Columbus Ohio area. This includes the promotion  and growth of the
chapter.

To subscribe to the list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/capchapohio_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to capchapohio-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line of the message.

Florida Association of Guide Dog Users

The purpose of the Florida Association of Guide Dog Users-FLAGDU 
list, is to provide a forum for discussion and information to guide 
dog users and other interested persons.  This list will feature 
announcements and activities of the Florida Association of Guide Dog 
Users.  Topics related specifically to this division will include 
business, fundraising projects, advocacy issues, and planning for our 
annual meeting which takes place during the Florida affiliate&#8217;s 
State convention. General topics will include information for those 
interested in learning about obtaining and working with a guide dog, 
guide dog schools, training, care  and retirement of a dog, and 
access and legislative issues pertaining to guide dog use.

We welcome questions and lively discussion, but showing respect for 
each member on the list is imperative.  Keep messages on topic, and 
make sure that they are intended for the benefit of everyone.  There 
will occasionally be posts concerning issues of major importance to 
blind people, as well as announcements concerning activities of the 
National Association of Guide Dog Users, and the National Federation 
of the Blind.


To subscribe to the list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/flagdu_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to flagdu-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe, by itself, in the subject line of a message.

Idaho Parents of Blind Children

This is a place where parents of blind and visually impaired children 
and youth in Idaho can share experiences.     Events may be 
announced; advice can be sought;
accomplishments should be shared!  As there are developments in the
education of blind children, we will try to pass them along.

To subscribe to the list you can either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/idparents_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to idparents-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line of a message.

New Mexico Association of Blind Students

This list is for the discussion of anything student-related in New 
Mexico.  Announcements related to NMABS will also be posted here.

To subscribe to the list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to nmabs-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe 
in the subject line of a message by itself.

nfb of Kentucky

The purpose of the list is
to provide a resource for sharing information relating to the NFB, 
NFBK and NFBK chapters and divisions.

To subscribe to the list either go to:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbk_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to nfbk-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe 
in the subject line of a message.

nfbk of lexington

The purpose of the nfbk-lexington list is for members of the 
Lexington chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Kentucky 
to communicate about chapter business and other important 
issues.  Anyone, who is blind, knows someone who is blind, or loosing 
site, in other words, everyone is welcome to join and take part.

To subscribe to the list either go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbk-lexington_nfbnet.org

or send e-mail to nfbk-lexington-request at nfbnet.org and put the word 
subscribe in the subject line of a message by itself.

Dave



From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 03:52:06 2009
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:52:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
In-Reply-To: <4b094b61.9653f10a.7c76.ffff9a96@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <758948.25857.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sí, tiene razón.
(Yes, that's right).  And thanks.

--- On Sun, 11/22/09, Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Liz Bottner <liz.bottner at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm Employed!
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:32 AM
> Harry, 
> 
> Congratulations. This is awesome news! Buena suerte! (I
> think that's right,
> anyway).
> 
> Liz 
> 
> email: 
> liz.bottner at gmail.com
> 
> Visit my livejournal: 
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
> Follow me on Twitter: 
> http://twitter.com/lizbot 
> 
> 
> 
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From winy_kwany at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 14:29:32 2009
From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 06:29:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] UK visually impaired resident/citizen, anyone?
Message-ID: <353323.8382.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hi, 
I need help regarding to braille-music and music transcription related things in the UK. I believe there are some of you who are UK resident/citizen. Would you contact me off list? I need to discuss about it off list, to find possibilities to get help.
I look forward to hearing from you soon. Any help will be highly apreciated. Many thanks.
Winy.


      


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 23 14:53:26 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:53:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Triumphonic Mobile Pack (M-PAC) Mobile Geo Bundle
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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 15:22:51 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:22:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind
	SpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's
	Veterans Day event
In-Reply-To: <872575BB887C4CCFB78371E3F7ECE9BC@userf9b4fa60eb>
Message-ID: <4b0aa8cc.1708c00a.4e50.ffff802c@mx.google.com>

Greetings,
I had wanted to respond to this but got caught up in other things...coming
back to it. I was glad for this perspective from Antonio and I had a similar
reaction. I found it really interesting to say the least, and well, somewhat
disturbing, that it appeared that some of the same who so dismissed and felt
UGH about the 14 year old and his story were so apparently inspired and
elated about this guy. Some of the feelings against being positive about the
fourteen year old were that he was "not really doing it" and it was not some
thing "special" if I recall correctly...

In some ways I feel the story of the soldier has "worse" implications that
the 14 year old...

He was lauded for rising above his "tragedy" of being wounded and coming
back...well so have a bunch of other soldiers, some with much worse
injuries. The kid "came back" after a brain tumor.

He ran some marathons, was this special cuz he was blind? Blind people
running is inspirational? Or just running 26 miles?

I think it IS great he is advocating for better services in rehabilitation.
But haven't we been doing that for years? Does it help he has some feel good
story and some notoriety and recent experience of some fame~can we use that
to our benefit, yes and I am thankful for his participation. It is above and
beyond though?

Then the fact of him remaining in service as a Special Forces. Some
paperwork, some serious modifying & some loyal colleagues have let him
stay...I mean I think there is some element of sympathy in his staying in
the service involved~they will not let him go back to his unit in actual
field service or combat. So the fact of advertising the first blind Special
Forces person~well that is false, he did not earn it as a blind man and if
he was a blind man first they would under no circumstance now accept him.

Maybe what can be done is to get some more ed to the military~blind people
can SHOOT a gun, and well I was in the military~there are plenty in admin
who always ONLY shoot at the range and will never be in combat EVER...I also
think it IS possible for SOME combat situations to be quite well done by a
person who is used to functioning well with no vision...just like in
firefighting...

Also this is not the first blind person to be in the actual military...Dr.
Bolotin for one and he was taken for his ability & as a blind man for a
specific job. I would think that is what we would applaud & fight for.

Also if you read "Is History Against Us" by Jernigan...Well there was Zisca,
Hitoyasu, Holman, "Blind Jack" Metcalf, and several others as well as The
Blind Beak of Bow Street...there is some historical perspective.

Respectfully, 
 
Carrie Gilmer, President
Minnesota Organization of Parents of Blind Children
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Antonio M. Guimaraes
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 6:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind
SpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

Urg,

Castro serves in the military by way of running marathons?

This is absurd, given the fact that blind people can not serve in the 
military. I attended Close Up in 2000 and we were privileged to attend a 
lecture in the Pentagon. I asked the officer during the presentation why in 
the world blind people, some of whom have intelligence and ability at a 
level at or above average, could not serve in the military. His response, 
you must be able to accurately shoot a gun.

Now what is so special about a blinded guy who runs marathons and advocates 
for services for blind people. A heck of a lot. It takes strength, 
perseverance, endurance, and training to run those races, but he absolutely 
does not belong in the armed forces, even though he is not armed himself. It

sends a message of imbalance, and inconsistencies in the part of the U.S. 
military.

Now, let me serve and get all of the grate benefits listed on those annoying

recruiting commercials, and I am on board, once I fork out the money to 
become an American citizen, that is.

Antonio Guimaraes

If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup 
trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of 
highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary 
works in Braille.

Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you.
http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "cabs-talk" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; <Nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special 
Forcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event


I found  this to be  fitting considering the  most recent holiday.  I
hope you  enjoy and  great discussion comes from this.
 Darian


Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only blind Special Forces officer set to
inspire at Huntington ISD's Veterans Day event

By
ASHLEY COOK
The Lufkin Daily News

Wednesday, November 11, 2009

An exploding mortar from Iraqi insurgents may have robbed him of his
sight, but it didn't darken U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro's clear vision
of his future.

The only blind member in active duty with Special Forces, he is one of
a handful of blind active duty soldiers in the entire country. Castro,
who among
other things runs marathons and advocates for rehabilitation services
in addition to his career with Special Forces, will be sharing his
story - his determination
to never quit - as an inspiration to others at the Veterans Day
program at 10 a.m. today at Huntington High School.

U.S. Army Capt. Ivan Castro is the only blind member of Special
Forces. Injured in a mortar attack in Iraq in 2006, he has since run a
number of marathons
and advocated for better rehabilitation services for the blind while
also serving in active duty. He is the keynote speaker at today's
Veterans Day event
at Huntington High School.

And making the event even more meaningful, Castro will be reuniting
with several of his brothers in arms as several members of his platoon
are flying in
for the program.

In September 2006, Castro was serving in Iraq as a first lieutenant.
During a battle with insurgents, a mortar round exploded a few feet
from him, killing
two men and injuring Castro. Shrapnel tore through his body, damaging
his shoulder, breaking his arm, fracturing facial bones and collapsing
his lungs,
according to a narrative written by Tony Santiago.

Sgt. Travis Womack, now serving as a U.S. Army recruiter in Lufkin,
was there the day in Iraq when Castro was injured.

"He was my personal lieutenant. I was there when he got blinded in
combat," Womack said.

In a special reunion, most of Castro's platoon will be flying in from
all over the country to attend the ceremony in Huntington, Womack
said.

"It's going to be awesome. I've only seen him once since that day. For
most of the guys, it's the same way," Womack said. "The last time we
saw him was
in the helicopter. They day we got back from deployment he was there,
and it was pretty cool."

Shortly after his injuries in Iraq, Castro was stateside again at a
U.S. Naval hospital in Maryland. He had a finger amputated due to
extensive blast damage.
His right eye was blown away, and he had metal fragments in his left.

"Doctors questioned whether Castro would make it through another
week," Santiago wrote.

Two months after his injury, he was in a hospital bed with no idea of
what to do next, when he overheard a doctor and nurse discussing two
upcoming military
marathons. That's when he decided to make running both of them his
goal. Since then, he has completed both, and more.

"Since then, he's been determined to stay in the Army and find a way
to serve. He went back to Special Forces, and he's run the Boston
Marathon, the Marine
Marathon, among others. The Bataan (Memorial) Death March (Marathon) -
a 26-mile road march," Womack said.

Castro's motto is, "I'll never quit," according to Womack.

Castro was promoted to captain in April 2007. He continues to run
marathons, and serves as executive officer of the 7th Special Forces
Group at Fort Bragg.
Additionally, he and his wife, Evelyn, support and participate in
sporting events hosted by the Blinded Veterans Association.

Castro is an advocate for rehabilitation funding for the blind, and
has visited members of Congress in his quest, according to Santiago.

Castro has numerous awards and decorations, including the Purple
Heart, Army Commendation and Meritorious Service medals. He was
awarded a plaque in Braille
at the Charlie Norwood VA Medical Center in Augusta, Ga., thanking him
for his continued service.

The event today begins at 10 a.m. and is open to the community. Emcee
is Danny Merrell, from KYKS 105. Veterans are invited to arrive at 9
a.m. for coffee
and registration. Valet parking is offered to arriving veterans.
Veterans are invited to stay for a complimentary meal after the event.

Huntington ISD Superintendent Eric Wright said the program is one of
the district's signature events, because it includes their No. 1
mission of producing
high quality, productive citizens, and gives the district and the
community an opportunity to thank veterans and active duty military
"for their sacrifices
which have allowed all of us to enjoy the freedoms we have and to live
in the greatest country in the world."

The district is able through the event to integrate patriotism along
with history, fine arts, graphic design and more into its curriculum.

"Our soldiers and former soldiers are our heroes and for at least one
day per year, we get to express our appreciation," Wright said.

Wright thanked J'Nelle Short, program coordinator, for her hard work
and dedication to the event, for making a program that seems better
and better each
year. Wright added that he was pleased the students will have an
opportunity to listen to Castro, a decorated veteran who is an
inspiration with such a
"can-do" spirit.


-- 
"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama

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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 16:36:13 2009
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:36:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's only
	blindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at Huntington
	ISD'sVeterans Day event
References: <4b0aa8cc.1708c00a.4e50.ffff802c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5F068B47DB964569821F772E873E0945@radio360usa>

I don't think this was anything like the first story. That story was 
pointing out how amazing it was that a 14-year-old blind kid is for 
socializing with his peers, and while that may be a unique experience for 
some, we're not this amazing group of people cause we can socialize.
In the army story, you can't assume any bias on the writer's part or that 
people may or may not have felt bad for the soldier for the injuries he 
faced. That story did mention the soldier's blindness, but didn't focus 
exclusively on it, just on what he was doing with his life. That football 
article was so focused on how incredible that kid was for socializing and 
playing games with his peers, and that writer made it so obvious he didn't 
think it was possible for blind people to do that it was unbelievable. The 
army article was much more of a human interest story than the blind football 
player article. But you know, everyone interprets these things differently, 
and I wouldn't get too bothered if people thought one was better than the 
other. Agree to disagree if you think someone's got it wrong, and move on.
>From David 


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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 17:42:28 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:42:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
Message-ID: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>

Geetings,

A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five cartoons
and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon showed
this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle was
crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out forward but
not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a bit, he
appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a caption
above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".

 

Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the cartoon
might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated humor
are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and once
wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal which I
thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder how
important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of such
things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what I
think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only one they
have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found this
'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.

 

 Best,

 

Carrie Gilmer

 


From corbbo at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 18:07:31 2009
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:07:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd:  UK visually impaired resident/citizen, anyone?
References: <353323.8382.qm@web62403.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1DD24311-F074-427A-A821-81866882DB83@gmail.com>

We have a new list for blind international students, and I'm  
forwarding your request along. You should subscribe, too: send an e- 
mail to blind-international-students-request at nfbnet.org?subject=subscribe

Corbb


Begin forwarded message:

From: Winy Kwany <winy_kwany at yahoo.com>
Date: November 23, 2009 9:29:32 AM EST
To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org, ddots-l at freelists.org, goodfeel at freelists.org 
, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, braillem at topica.com
Subject: [nabs-l] UK visually impaired resident/citizen, anyone?
Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 >

Hi,
I need help regarding to braille-music and music transcription related  
things in the UK. I believe there are some of you who are UK resident/ 
citizen. Would you contact me off list? I need to discuss about it off  
list, to find possibilities to get help.
I look forward to hearing from you soon. Any help will be highly  
apreciated. Many thanks.
Winy.




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From aguimaraes at nbp.org  Mon Nov 23 18:47:32 2009
From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:47:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's
	onlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at
	HuntingtonISD'sVeterans Day event
References: <4b0aa8cc.1708c00a.4e50.ffff802c@mx.google.com>
	<5F068B47DB964569821F772E873E0945@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <85C369DF99304AE5BD595CD1C9E93449@nbp2.local>

David Dumphy,

Thank you for your perspective. I often wonder what the best approach would 
be for the NFB when it comes to journalists, and what they write. For sure a 
journalist is permitted and paid for to write what they want to, or what the 
editor wants them to. They have the right to publish what they wish, so long 
as their articles and pieces stay within the ethics of journalism.

In comes the NFB:

We can gripe about articles, and that is a healthy debate to have. We can 
write to the paper about something we don't like, and the articles we are 
discussing do not warrant that. We can live, and work and attempt to be as 
well-adjusted as possible.

Which one has the greater impact?

Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. 




From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:30:35 2009
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:30:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Turkey Day
Message-ID: <4383d01d0911231130v49a99a0dgf9d7601e7fa5f3c1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, everyone.  I don't normally post, but happy Turkey Day.  Hope
everyone doesn't eat too much turkey and is thankful for whatever they
are thankful for.
Beth


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:39:49 2009
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:39:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
In-Reply-To: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>
References: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <05199EF9DB174B7394E358C38318FD48@SonyPC>

The thing about cartoons is that they are meant to be funny, and often make 
fun of something or someone. I wouldn't get to upset over a joke, I would 
just let it pass without comment. Pick your battles.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon


> Geetings,
>
> A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five 
> cartoons
> and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon 
> showed
> this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle was
> crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out forward 
> but
> not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a bit, he
> appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a caption
> above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".
>
>
>
> Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the cartoon
> might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated humor
> are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and once
> wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal which I
> thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder how
> important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of such
> things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what I
> think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only one 
> they
> have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found this
> 'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer
>
>
>
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From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 21:39:17 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:39:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
In-Reply-To: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>
References: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4b0b0108.0e0db80a.7e39.ffff953b@mx.google.com>

I have no problem with these types of things, I actually like to read them.
I love looking for jokes to read about blindness some are pretty funny, and
others are a bit rood, but oh well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Carrie Gilmer
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:42 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Geetings,

A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five cartoons
and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon showed
this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle was
crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out forward but
not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a bit, he
appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a caption
above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".

 

Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the cartoon
might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated humor
are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and once
wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal which I
thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder how
important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of such
things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what I
think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only one they
have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found this
'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.

 

 Best,

 

Carrie Gilmer

 

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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 01:52:47 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:52:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook captchas
Message-ID: <CE31BD05F4EC4FA8A43274865F1884A1@sarahcomp>

I wrote about this on  my blog and there is a person who agrees with me on
this issue. Comments are welcome on this issue. The entry is here.

http://bit.ly/6sU9ua

I''d like thoughts directed at the blog as that's what I check most often.

Thanks.

S



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 18:10:30 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 10:10:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <409c235c0911241010y38495a2waf3ec31bf20bec37@mail.gmail.com>

 For anyone  who  so happends to be in the area of San Francisco, or
know of someone who plans to be. on December 5.
  If you  like  wine tasting and blind people (I assume you liking
blind people is a given) then you'll enjoy this event.
   Pass it on.
  Darian


A.G. FERRARI PRESENTS:
The National Federation of the Blind,
San Francisco Chapter
Eric Holm, President
155 Andersen Drive, #3302
San Rafael, CA 94901
Phone: (415) 455-9133
ericholm at att.net


			November 24, 2009



Come join the   San Francisco Chapter of the National Federation of
the Blind   for a very enjoyable festive holiday season afternoon of
good food, good friends, and good wine!!!  The National Federation of
the Blind is recognized as the largest collective action national
organization of consumer blind persons, since 1940, now well over
50,000 strong in number in the US, as well as their families.  We are
involved with the increasing number of persons, loosing their vision
each year, to assist them in order to become fully pro-active, and
productive tax-paying, citizens just as our sighted colleagues.  We
are registered as a 501 (c) (3) non-profit organization IRS recognized
non-profit charity (Federal Tax ID # 953416224.

The National Federation of the Blind: San Francisco Chapter (NFBC SF)
will be holding it’s annual Holiday party/fund raiser at A.G. Ferrari
San Francisco – SOMA. 686 Mission St. (between New Montgomery St. near
3rd St.), San Francisco, CA 94105, on Saturday afternoon, December 5,
2009, from 2 P.M., until about 4 P.M.  At this event we plan to have a
raffle, of a number of items, (including a $100.00, gift basket
contributed from A.G. Ferrari), wine tasting, and an opportunity to
talk about blindness and all things blindness-related with the entire
NFBCSF chapter board and membership.  Raffle tickets will be sold at
the door, and inside the store at $1.00, per ticket, and $5.00, for
six tickets.

In addition to the raffle, as part of this holiday fund raising event,
at A.G. Ferrari’, we will be conducting an auction where participants
will have an opportunity to have lots of fun bidding on a number of
items.  All contributions from registered participants to attend our
holiday party celebration, for $10.00, along with contributions for
raffle tickets sold inside of A.G. Ferrari, as well as contributions
for items to be auctioned, will go directly to The National Federation
of the Blind San Francisco Chapter.

Just a ten dollar contribution, by RSVP,  to Jim Blacksten, or at the
door assures you two raffle tickets, and an opportunity to participate
in both the raffle and the auction.  Also, you will have an
opportunity to sample as many great parings of tastings  of A.G.F.
Rosso, Bianco and Prosecco.  ,  and cheese as your heart desires.  The
tastings of Rosso, Bianco and Prosecco, and cheese parings will be
provided as compliments of A.G. Ferrari..  Please RSVP, by calling Jim
Blacksten, at 415-543-3727, and arrange to make your $10.00
contribution, in advance.  Contributions of $10.00, will be accepted
at the door as well, if you cannot RSVP.  Ten percent of all purchases
made in-store, from 2 P.M., to 4 P.M., will be donated to the NFB of
San Francisco, so it can continue it’s role of  serving as a Vehicle
for positive change and collective action for blind adults, seniors,
youth and parents of blind children in and around  San Francisco.


-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 25 00:17:36 2009
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:17:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Handy Holiday Specials
Message-ID: <7817DE46D06F4014B9E45B42D64C3416@yourdd0a3c7a34>

 
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For Immediate Distribution

Sales contact:
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From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 25 01:25:07 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:25:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's
	onlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at
	HuntingtonISD'sVeterans Day event
References: <4b0aa8cc.1708c00a.4e50.ffff802c@mx.google.com>
	<5F068B47DB964569821F772E873E0945@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <2807632C8CC64D59B0FEDF1DDDDE816E@kevin9ee0841f6>

It sounds interesting.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's 
onlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at HuntingtonISD'sVeterans Day 
event


>I don't think this was anything like the first story. That story was 
>pointing out how amazing it was that a 14-year-old blind kid is for 
>socializing with his peers, and while that may be a unique experience for 
>some, we're not this amazing group of people cause we can socialize.
> In the army story, you can't assume any bias on the writer's part or that 
> people may or may not have felt bad for the soldier for the injuries he 
> faced. That story did mention the soldier's blindness, but didn't focus 
> exclusively on it, just on what he was doing with his life. That football 
> article was so focused on how incredible that kid was for socializing and 
> playing games with his peers, and that writer made it so obvious he didn't 
> think it was possible for blind people to do that it was unbelievable. The 
> army article was much more of a human interest story than the blind 
> football player article. But you know, everyone interprets these things 
> differently, and I wouldn't get too bothered if people thought one was 
> better than the other. Agree to disagree if you think someone's got it 
> wrong, and move on.
>>From David
>
>
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> signature database 4630 (20091123) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
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>
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>
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From commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 25 01:30:52 2009
From: commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net (Kevin Wassmer)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:30:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
Message-ID: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>

Hello folks. I now work at Verizon Wireless doing 
Customer service. They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone know where to get a manual so I can run it with Talx? At this point I am clueless as to what to do. I am glad I got the phone though.

From alberto.2500 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 04:06:32 2009
From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:06:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
In-Reply-To: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>
References: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>
Message-ID: <4b0cad49.1502be0a.398a.09a1@mx.google.com>

Hey man can you e-mail me off list I have some questions for you about your
job.
Alberto
Alberto.2500 at gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Kevin Wassmer
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 6:31 PM
To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q

Hello folks. I now work at Verizon Wireless doing 
Customer service. They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone
know where to get a manual so I can run it with Talx? At this point I am
clueless as to what to do. I am glad I got the phone though.
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 07:48:15 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:48:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] national Federation of the Blind of California,
	San Francisco Chapter 	Prisents wine and cheese tasting .
Message-ID: <409c235c0911242348g3dd3d1dbt7b2f982c7ccc3eb8@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
 Please excuse the Mis-information on the last version of the flyer.
 Here, with no further delay is the  updated and corrected version of
the NFBCSF chapter flyer.
 Please do pass on to any interested parties who may be in the bay
area around the time of  this event as stated below.


A.G. FERRARI PRESENTS:
The National Federation of the Blind,
San Francisco Chapter
Eric Holm, President
155 Andersen Drive, #3302
San Rafael, CA 94901
Phone: (415) 455-9133
ericholm at att.net


			November 24, 2009



Come join the   San Francisco Chapter of the National Federation of
the Blind   for a very enjoyable festive holiday season afternoon of
good food, good friends, and good wine!!!  The National Federation of
the Blind is recognized as the largest collective action national
organization of consumer blind persons, since 1940, now well over
50,000 strong in number in the US, as well as their families.  We are
involved with the increasing number of persons, loosing their vision
each year, to assist them in order to become fully pro-active, and
productive tax-paying, citizens just as our sighted colleagues.

The National Federation of the Blind: San Francisco Chapter (NFBC SF)
will be holding it’s annual Holiday party/fund raiser at A.G. Ferrari
San Francisco – SOMA. 686 Mission St. (between New Montgomery St. near
3rd St.), San Francisco, CA 94105, on Saturday afternoon, December 5,
2009, from 2 P.M., until about 4 P.M.  At this event we plan to have a
raffle, of a number of items, (including a $100.00, gift basket
contributed from A.G. Ferrari), wine tasting, and an opportunity to
talk about blindness and all things blindness-related with the entire
NFBCSF chapter board and membership.  Raffle tickets will be sold at
the door, and inside the store at $1.00, per ticket, and $5.00, for
six tickets.

In addition to the raffle, as part of this holiday fund raising event,
at A.G. Ferrari’, we will be conducting an auction where participants
will have an opportunity to have lots of fun bidding on a number of
items.  All contributions from registered participants to attend our
holiday party celebration, for $10.00, along with contributions for
raffle tickets sold inside of A.G. Ferrari, as well as contributions
for items to be auctioned, will go directly to The National Federation
of the Blind San Francisco Chapter.

Just a ten dollar contribution, by RSVP,  to Jim Blacksten, or at the
door assures you two raffle tickets, and an opportunity to participate
in both the raffle and the auction.  Also, you will have an
opportunity to sample as many great parings of tastings  of A.G.F.
Rosso, Bianco and Prosecco.  ,  and cheese as your heart desires.  The
tastings of Rosso, Bianco and Prosecco, and cheese parings will be
provided as compliments of A.G. Ferrari..  Please RSVP, by calling Jim
Blacksten, at 415-543-3727, and arrange to make your $10.00
contribution, in advance.  Contributions of $10.00, will be accepted
at the door as well, if you cannot RSVP.  Ten percent of all purchases
made in-store, from 2 P.M., to 4 P.M., will be donated to the NFB of
San Francisco, so it can continue it’s role of  serving as a Vehicle
for positive change and collective action for blind adults, seniors,
youth and parents of blind children in and around  San Francisco.




-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 15:09:37 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:09:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's
	onlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at
	HuntingtonISD'sVeterans Day event
In-Reply-To: <2807632C8CC64D59B0FEDF1DDDDE816E@kevin9ee0841f6>
References: <4b0aa8cc.1708c00a.4e50.ffff802c@mx.google.com>
	<5F068B47DB964569821F772E873E0945@radio360usa>
	<2807632C8CC64D59B0FEDF1DDDDE816E@kevin9ee0841f6>
Message-ID: <409c235c0911250709x737c7a8akea581358a44c0f7d@mail.gmail.com>

Antonio and list,

  I tend to look at articles and for the nost part not  put too much
energy in what it says about the blind, because I find it's (depending
on the situation)a better use of my time to live what we say the blind
can do as opposed to talking about it.
  There's a phrase that i basically live  by: " " don't speak about
it, be about it".
  respectfully,
  Darian

On 11/24/09, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> It sounds interesting.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's
> onlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at HuntingtonISD'sVeterans Day
> event
>
>
>>I don't think this was anything like the first story. That story was
>>pointing out how amazing it was that a 14-year-old blind kid is for
>>socializing with his peers, and while that may be a unique experience for
>>some, we're not this amazing group of people cause we can socialize.
>> In the army story, you can't assume any bias on the writer's part or that
>> people may or may not have felt bad for the soldier for the injuries he
>> faced. That story did mention the soldier's blindness, but didn't focus
>> exclusively on it, just on what he was doing with his life. That football
>> article was so focused on how incredible that kid was for socializing and
>> playing games with his peers, and that writer made it so obvious he didn't
>>
>> think it was possible for blind people to do that it was unbelievable. The
>>
>> army article was much more of a human interest story than the blind
>> football player article. But you know, everyone interprets these things
>> differently, and I wouldn't get too bothered if people thought one was
>> better than the other. Agree to disagree if you think someone's got it
>> wrong, and move on.
>>>From David
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature database 4630 (20091123) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
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>


-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Wed Nov 25 15:19:54 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 08:19:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S.
	Army'sonlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire
	atHuntingtonISD'sVeterans Day event
In-Reply-To: <409c235c0911250709x737c7a8akea581358a44c0f7d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b0aa8cc.1708c00a.4e50.ffff802c@mx.google.com><5F068B47DB964569821F772E873E0945@radio360usa><2807632C8CC64D59B0FEDF1DDDDE816E@kevin9ee0841f6>
	<409c235c0911250709x737c7a8akea581358a44c0f7d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FA2011850D64EDC8669845522993C17@DianePC>

You rock D!
D
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. 
Army'sonlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire atHuntingtonISD'sVeterans 
Day event


> Antonio and list,
>
>  I tend to look at articles and for the nost part not  put too much
> energy in what it says about the blind, because I find it's (depending
> on the situation)a better use of my time to live what we say the blind
> can do as opposed to talking about it.
>  There's a phrase that i basically live  by: " " don't speak about
> it, be about it".
>  respectfully,
>  Darian
>
> On 11/24/09, Kevin Wassmer <commanderlumpy2003 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> It sounds interesting.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Dunphy" <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 9:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind ambition: U.S. Army's
>> onlyblindSpecialForcesofficer set to inspire at HuntingtonISD'sVeterans 
>> Day
>> event
>>
>>
>>>I don't think this was anything like the first story. That story was
>>>pointing out how amazing it was that a 14-year-old blind kid is for
>>>socializing with his peers, and while that may be a unique experience for
>>>some, we're not this amazing group of people cause we can socialize.
>>> In the army story, you can't assume any bias on the writer's part or 
>>> that
>>> people may or may not have felt bad for the soldier for the injuries he
>>> faced. That story did mention the soldier's blindness, but didn't focus
>>> exclusively on it, just on what he was doing with his life. That 
>>> football
>>> article was so focused on how incredible that kid was for socializing 
>>> and
>>> playing games with his peers, and that writer made it so obvious he 
>>> didn't
>>>
>>> think it was possible for blind people to do that it was unbelievable. 
>>> The
>>>
>>> army article was much more of a human interest story than the blind
>>> football player article. But you know, everyone interprets these things
>>> differently, and I wouldn't get too bothered if people thought one was
>>> better than the other. Agree to disagree if you think someone's got it
>>> wrong, and move on.
>>>>From David
>>>
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> signature database 4630 (20091123) __________
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> -- 
> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
> help!   To Get Involved  go to:
> www.TeachBlindStudents.org
>
>
> "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
> calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
> before us;
> if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
> slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
> past and future generations,
> then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
> you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
> done, and
> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jbahm at pcdesk.net  Wed Nov 25 20:59:45 2009
From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 13:59:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] motorola Q
In-Reply-To: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>
References: <02A638B818F94AA09E6CC60C23F4C589@kevin9ee0841f6>
Message-ID: <4B0D9AC1.9050203@pcdesk.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

> They gave me a Motorola Q for my training. Does anyone know where
> to get a manual so I can run it with Talx?

The Motorola Q is a Windows Mobile based device. As far as I know, Talx
doesn't work with Windows Mobile based devices. It might now, but it
hasn't in the past when I've done research on that. What you need is
Mobile Speak or possibly Smart Hal. Smart Hal didn't work with the
Motorola Q9C that I had a couple years ago, but Mobile Speak worked like
a charm. Still does on the current Windows Mobile based device I have.
- --
Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]?
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Nov 26 03:47:20 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:47:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
Message-ID: <000401ca6e4b$28aa6a60$79ff3f20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi all,
I just got a document e-mailed to me for embossing with Duxbury. It embossed
fine except that none of the line breaks were recognized, even though the
formatting appeared accurately on the screen. I've gone through the document
and inserted new ones which seemed to work, but I am expecting a much larger
file soon and don't want to have to repeat this process again. I'm using an
Index Basic-D embosser. I can't seem to find anything in the Duxbury
settings that might be causing this. Do you have any suggestions as to what
I can do here?
Thank you,
Sarah Jevnikar



From davidb521 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 06:52:38 2009
From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:52:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
Message-ID: <4b0e25c3.8502be0a.08c2.14eb@mx.google.com>

Well, if it's a word doc, you can go to the Word Importer, and set DBT to insert line and page breaks, I think. The word importer is under global. 
David

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:47 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question

Hi all,
I just got a document e-mailed to me for embossing with Duxbury. It embossed
fine except that none of the line breaks were recognized, even though the
formatting appeared accurately on the screen. I've gone through the document
and inserted new ones which seemed to work, but I am expecting a much larger
file soon and don't want to have to repeat this process again. I'm using an
Index Basic-D embosser. I can't seem to find anything in the Duxbury
settings that might be causing this. Do you have any suggestions as to what
I can do here?
Thank you,
Sarah Jevnikar


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From jbahm at pcdesk.net  Thu Nov 26 07:10:43 2009
From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:10:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
In-Reply-To: <000401ca6e4b$28aa6a60$79ff3f20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
References: <000401ca6e4b$28aa6a60$79ff3f20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <4B0E29F3.30001@pcdesk.net>

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Hash: SHA256

Hello Sarah, you wrote:

> I just got a document e-mailed to me for embossing with Duxbury. It embossed
> fine except that none of the line breaks were recognized, even though the
> formatting appeared accurately on the screen.

Sounds like a wrapping issue or possibly a difference in how your two
systems handle line breaks. Answering these two questions would help.

1. What is the format of the document? Word, text, etc.

2. What operating system does the person sending you have? OSX (newer
MAC), older MAC, Linux, Windows, etc.
- --
Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]?
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Nov 26 08:04:24 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:04:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
In-Reply-To: <4b0e25c3.8502be0a.08c2.14eb@mx.google.com>
References: <4b0e25c3.8502be0a.08c2.14eb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <002001ca6e6f$130dfef0$3929fcd0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

I'll keep that in mind, thank you. This one has a dxb extension though;
would the same things apply?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David Bouchard
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:53 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question

Well, if it's a word doc, you can go to the Word Importer, and set DBT to
insert line and page breaks, I think. The word importer is under global. 
David

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:47 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question

Hi all,
I just got a document e-mailed to me for embossing with Duxbury. It embossed
fine except that none of the line breaks were recognized, even though the
formatting appeared accurately on the screen. I've gone through the document
and inserted new ones which seemed to work, but I am expecting a much larger
file soon and don't want to have to repeat this process again. I'm using an
Index Basic-D embosser. I can't seem to find anything in the Duxbury
settings that might be causing this. Do you have any suggestions as to what
I can do here?
Thank you,
Sarah Jevnikar


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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Nov 26 08:37:42 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:37:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
In-Reply-To: <4B0E29F3.30001@pcdesk.net>
References: <000401ca6e4b$28aa6a60$79ff3f20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
	<4B0E29F3.30001@pcdesk.net>
Message-ID: <002101ca6e73$b8a20240$29e606c0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi there,
I'm not sure of the sender's operating system, but I'll find out. It's a
Duxbury file, with the extension of .dxb. I have an older version of Duxbury
and I'm not sure of the sender's software. I'll find that out too.
Thank you,
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joseph C. Lininger
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 2:11 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

Hello Sarah, you wrote:

> I just got a document e-mailed to me for embossing with Duxbury. It
embossed
> fine except that none of the line breaks were recognized, even though the
> formatting appeared accurately on the screen.

Sounds like a wrapping issue or possibly a difference in how your two
systems handle line breaks. Answering these two questions would help.

1. What is the format of the document? Word, text, etc.

2. What operating system does the person sending you have? OSX (newer
MAC), older MAC, Linux, Windows, etc.
- --
Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]?
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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From jbahm at pcdesk.net  Thu Nov 26 11:20:16 2009
From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:20:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
In-Reply-To: <002101ca6e73$b8a20240$29e606c0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
References: <000401ca6e4b$28aa6a60$79ff3f20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>	<4B0E29F3.30001@pcdesk.net>
	<002101ca6e73$b8a20240$29e606c0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <4B0E6470.5020400@pcdesk.net>

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

> I'm not sure of the sender's operating system, but I'll find out. It's a
> Duxbury file, with the extension of .dxb.

If they sent you a dxb file, then it's probably windows. I don't think
duxbury runs on anything other than Windows any more. What I'd check if
I were you is the marjin settings for your printer. Also check and see
if the correct printer driver is selected (must be since you were able
to print). Does the document appear (visually) correctly formatted in
both the standard and the braille views? My Duxbury experience is really
out of date, but if it has a "re format" option, would be in the edit
menu probably, you might be able to fix it using that. Finally, try
using save as to save the document under a different name and open the
new document and see if that one prints right. Always use the braille
view to check the formatting if you are able, as it will allow you to
spot stuff like this before you end up seeing it on the printer instead.
- --
Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]?
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Thu Nov 26 13:19:16 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:19:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?BookBol=E9?=
Message-ID: <000901ca6e9b$0e5a8500$2b0f8f00$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi all,
Have any of you heard/use BookBolé? I just got an e-mail from them but don't
want to pursue anything until I know it's legitimate.
Thanks,
Sarah



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 13:42:12 2009
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:42:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Happy Terkey Day.
Message-ID: <409c235c0911260542jb61b667q48bc82e9efd55f42@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher
recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate
individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your
help!   To Get Involved  go to:
www.TeachBlindStudents.org


"And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny
calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching
before us;
if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our
slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe
past and future generations,
then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with
you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be
done, and
usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama


Hello all,

 I just  wanted to wish you all a wonderful, happy and safe thanksgiving!
  i know that we all have much to be thankful for, and even if you are
having a tough go of things right now. I'm sure there is a positive to
look to.
 My thoughts are with you all.
  Best, Darian


From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 21:28:14 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:28:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?BookBol=E9?=
In-Reply-To: <2656863373785376402@unknownmsgid>
References: <2656863373785376402@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <632092010911261328k4e5877afgf725058e775abae8@mail.gmail.com>

I got the same email, anyone know anything about them?

Happy Thanksgiving.
Aziza

On 11/26/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Have any of you heard/use BookBolé? I just got an e-mail from them but don't
> want to pursue anything until I know it's legitimate.
> Thanks,
> Sarah
>
>
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Fri Nov 27 01:16:18 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:16:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
In-Reply-To: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>
References: <4b0ac987.25c0100a.68f2.ffffc516@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4DCA8B72D2714D9596E4FB6B5A7B2727@DianePC>

Ya know Carrie,
I have found that I have to choose the battles I fight.
A very good friend of mine sent the same cartoon to me, mostly because I 
love cows.  I took it with a grain of salt and giggled.
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon


> Geetings,
>
> A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five 
> cartoons
> and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon 
> showed
> this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle was
> crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out forward 
> but
> not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a bit, he
> appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a caption
> above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".
>
>
>
> Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the cartoon
> might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated humor
> are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and once
> wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal which I
> thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder how
> important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of such
> things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what I
> think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only one 
> they
> have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found this
> 'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer
>
>
>
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 07:25:05 2009
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:25:05 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?BookBol=E9?=
In-Reply-To: <632092010911261328k4e5877afgf725058e775abae8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67F3901A675242CFBC43F3A2E3AA6199@sarahcomp>

No I deleted the email just in case.  I don't kow.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Aziza C
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BookBolé

I got the same email, anyone know anything about them?

Happy Thanksgiving.
Aziza

On 11/26/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Have any of you heard/use BookBolé? I just got an e-mail from them but 
> don't want to pursue anything until I know it's legitimate.
> Thanks,
> Sarah
>
>
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From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Fri Nov 27 17:24:13 2009
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:24:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question
In-Reply-To: <4B0E6470.5020400@pcdesk.net>
References: <000401ca6e4b$28aa6a60$79ff3f20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>	<4B0E29F3.30001@pcdesk.net>	<002101ca6e73$b8a20240$29e606c0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>
	<4B0E6470.5020400@pcdesk.net>
Message-ID: <000a01ca6f86$7102a520$5307ef60$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca>

Hi there,
Thank you; I'll try these out and let you know how it goes.
Sarah

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joseph C. Lininger
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 6:20 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] semi-urgent Duxbury Question

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA256

> I'm not sure of the sender's operating system, but I'll find out. It's a
> Duxbury file, with the extension of .dxb.

If they sent you a dxb file, then it's probably windows. I don't think
duxbury runs on anything other than Windows any more. What I'd check if
I were you is the marjin settings for your printer. Also check and see
if the correct printer driver is selected (must be since you were able
to print). Does the document appear (visually) correctly formatted in
both the standard and the braille views? My Duxbury experience is really
out of date, but if it has a "re format" option, would be in the edit
menu probably, you might be able to fix it using that. Finally, try
using save as to save the document under a different name and open the
new document and see if that one prints right. Always use the braille
view to check the formatting if you are able, as it will allow you to
spot stuff like this before you end up seeing it on the printer instead.
- --
Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]?
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
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From carrie.gilmer at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 18:03:08 2009
From: carrie.gilmer at gmail.com (Carrie Gilmer)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 12:03:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon
In-Reply-To: <4DCA8B72D2714D9596E4FB6B5A7B2727@DianePC>
Message-ID: <4b10145f.1708c00a.2643.37ac@mx.google.com>

Hi Di, and all,

I also choose battles or pick them as is said. And this is one I pick. I
personally find that response rather interesting and somewhat perplexing.
Also the oft repeated "just live as I am that is the best example" as if you
must choose one or the other. In some ways to me I respectfully submit those
are cop-outs. It only took a small amount of my time to point out the harm &
falseness in it, I did not get twisted in knots and freaked out or think
about it for days or even hours. This post right here I will spend about ten
or so minutes...it also helps me to write/analyze/ponder...then it is
done...moving on.

I wonder how you would react if your own picture was cut and pasted into the
cartoon, would it be worth the time to speak a few educational words about
it? Would it be less funny then? To me every blind person I know could have
been cut and pasted into the cartoon. There is a vast difference to me
between laughing at you and with you. 

I wonder if a cartoon had a black farmer sitting eating a watermelon and
fried chicken and the turkeys expressing "Whew! What a relief" if that would
also be understandably funny and not worth mentioning.

Here are a few paragraphs from the letter I once sent to the Wash post to a
very famous cartoonist there about his stereotypical use of a blind
caricature, the letter is just too long to post the entire thing, but I got
a personal response and the cartoonist learned something and will never
again I can assure you portray either a blind person or some other group
with out thinking of the message. 

"These things (false ideas) create most of the problems he must deal with as
a blind person. If you are blind it is easy to get someone inspired (just
cross the street on your own!) but not so easy to get hired.

 The much bigger problems of a near 75% unemployment rate for the blind and
a near 90% of our blind children failing to learn Braille, and so losing the
chance to really read, stem from the seeds constantly sewn by the
perpetuation of the idea portrayed in your cartoon: Since the blind cannot
see it logically means they cannot know cannot discern.  Indeed it is in our
very language. If I say, "I see!" You think me to mean, everyone thinks me
to mean, I understand. 

You are not alone Mr. Toles. HBO put out an advertisement for The Sopranos
last year using actors portraying blind men with the same message. The blind
can not see, therefore they do not know, can not discern. I wrote the CEO of
Time Warner. I told him how this false idea cost people like my son real
jobs among other things.  He responded. The ad was pulled. 

A few months ago CBS news did a feature on a man who had been a barber all
his life. When he lost his vision he continued with his work.  He didn't
accept that a tragedy had occurred to him and he needed to give up his life.
He found a new way to continue his old life. Rather than give this man even
the regular respect you would think he was due, Ms. Katie Couric and the
reporter who did the story cracked jokes about him at the desk after the
story ran-on the national news. She said something like, good thing he
wasn't a surgeon before he lost his sight-uproarious laughter. GAWD, I
wonder how he felt sitting there probably watching the broadcast with his
family. Where was the public outcry? There was none.  

Flipping channels one recent late night I happened to flip to Conan O'Brien.
Not at all my taste, can't even understand how he keeps his job, but I
stopped flipping briefly because he was having a joke at the expense of the
blind. It was about the blind bowler who got all strikes in a game. There
was some crack about if he was sure he was in a bowling alley. Ha, ha, ha.
Garrison Keillor and Jay Lenno crack a few blind jokes of their own once in
awhile too. Who notices? How many people laugh and think the jokes are
understandable? There was a time when white people thought jokes about black
people were not the stereotypes and falsehoods recognized today, they
thought the jokes were funny and understandable. Unfortunately some still
do. How does one unravel the history of a false idea? One thread at a time.

This week my son's biggest problem is that last fall he registered and was
accepted to receive accommodations for testing from the College Board. The
God of standardized testing. He was to take the AP Statistics exam and
receive it in Braille the same time as his peers on or about May 5th. There
had been a momentum of study sessions up to the test. His Braille did not
come. A comedy of errors and claims by the College Board ensued. After many
calls and differing claims by the College Board but no action I called with
my lawyer on Thursday. On Friday we were again told it had been sent. He has
lost the momentum the other students had. The group study sessions are long
over. He has had other year end finals and large projects this month. He
just wants to take the test. We'll wait to find out if it arrives on
Tuesday.  He's got bigger problems than your cartoon. But I think they are
woven from the same thread. There is a lack of respect for the blind. I
couldn't help myself from pulling out the loose one I read this morning."



Sincerely, 
 
Carrie 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Diane
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon

Ya know Carrie,
I have found that I have to choose the battles I fight.
A very good friend of mine sent the same cartoon to me, mostly because I 
love cows.  I took it with a grain of salt and giggled.
Di
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrie Gilmer" <carrie.gilmer at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Turkey Humor and a Blind Cartoon


> Geetings,
>
> A relative forwarded to me some Thanksgiving humor~there were five 
> cartoons
> and photographs with the quote "ha these are very funny". One cartoon 
> showed
> this: a man with a cane which was red half the way up and the handle was
> crooked at the top, he wore dark glasses, his cane was held out forward 
> but
> not touching anything but the ground, he was sort of looking up a bit, he
> appeared to be walking amidst a flock of turkeys who each had a caption
> above their heads which read "Moo-Moo".
>
>
>
> Wondering what your reaction to a relative or anyone or just the cartoon
> might be. And what you think the ramifications of this perpetuated humor
> are/might be. I did something about this to the relative already and once
> wrote to a Pulizter Prize cartoonist about his cartoojn portrayal which I
> thought disrespectful and perpetuating of false ideas. I also wonder how
> important you think it might be to write to the originator/creator of such
> things after the fact when it can not be changed anymore. I know what I
> think, and I know when I have "complained" I am typically the only one 
> they
> have heard from, and I think it makes it harder. "No one else found this
> 'bad'".but I wonder what you all think.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Carrie Gilmer
>
>
>
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Sat Nov 28 13:54:29 2009
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:54:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Get ready for the 2001 convention  in Orlando!
Message-ID: <B9FFE121E6964CBF9B81E4005EE1B771@DianePC>

The 2011 National Convention in Orlando Florida is over a year away, but why wait to be fully accessorized?
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For ordering information on these items and a 10% discount, please contact Diane Filipe of the Colorado NFB at  
dianefilipe at peoplepc.com.

From westbchris at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 17:57:25 2009
From: westbchris at gmail.com (Chris Westbrook)
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:57:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?BookBol=E9?=
References: <2656863373785376402@unknownmsgid>
	<632092010911261328k4e5877afgf725058e775abae8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76F0F0B73C8E4DA7A3DB4D71B8B4AEC8@lenovo4903350b>

I suspect they are probably illegal.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aziza C" <daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BookBolé


I got the same email, anyone know anything about them?

Happy Thanksgiving.
Aziza

On 11/26/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Have any of you heard/use BookBolé? I just got an e-mail from them but 
> don't
> want to pursue anything until I know it's legitimate.
> Thanks,
> Sarah
>
>
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From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 12:39:11 2009
From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:39:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?b?Qm9va0JvbMOp?=
In-Reply-To: <76F0F0B73C8E4DA7A3DB4D71B8B4AEC8@lenovo4903350b>
References: <2656863373785376402@unknownmsgid>
	<632092010911261328k4e5877afgf725058e775abae8@mail.gmail.com>
	<76F0F0B73C8E4DA7A3DB4D71B8B4AEC8@lenovo4903350b>
Message-ID: <20091129123910.GB36678@yumi.bluecherry.net>

I got one at two different email addresses.  Clearly they dumped the 
list archives to get email addresses and sent to everyone on them.  
It looks scammy to me.

Joseph

-- 
How many children in America are not taught how to read?
If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children!
Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/


On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 12:57:25PM -0500, Chris Westbrook wrote:
>I suspect they are probably illegal.
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza C" 
><daydreamingncolor at gmail.com>
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BookBolé
>
>
>I got the same email, anyone know anything about them?
>
>Happy Thanksgiving.
>Aziza
>
>On 11/26/09, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>Have any of you heard/use BookBolé? I just got an e-mail from them 
>>but don't
>>want to pursue anything until I know it's legitimate.
>>Thanks,
>>Sarah
>>
>>
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 16:04:12 2009
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:04:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accounting software
Message-ID: <fc8eb2b0911290804q3b907feavc27d62a9ca3d87f5@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Nabs
I was wondering if anybody has heard of any type of accounting
software that is user friendly with JAWS? If anybody has any
suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark


From qmsingleton at comcast.net  Sun Nov 29 18:46:20 2009
From: qmsingleton at comcast.net (Quintina M. Singleton)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:46:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Dr. Maurer on Thruoureyes
Message-ID: <auto-000128795150@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Please tune into a

very special addition of the Thruoureyes with Joe Ruffalo internet 
radio program

scheduled for Wednesday December 2

  at

8:00 PM EST.

The evening's guest will be National Federation of the Blind's 
president, Dr. Marc

Maurer.

  To listen to the program via telephone, please call

  1-605-475-6333, access code:

833520.

To access the show online visit www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html

The call in number for anyone

interested in asking a question is 1-888-572-0141.

The theme for this program is Ask the President.

We encourage as many listeners to call in to Ask Dr. Maurer whatever 
question he

or she finds to be of importance.



From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 04:04:51 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:04:51 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] PLEASE ANNOUNCE: NSF and Other Summer Undergrad and Grad
	School and Post Doc Funding
In-Reply-To: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B01AD81E3@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>
References: <7638A85981599142811F69FBB9508B6B01AD81E3@FPNTEXCBE01.services.local>
Message-ID: <85ff10070911292004s1d12c986qef300e20790397f3@mail.gmail.com>

Great internship opportunities for students--undergrad and graduate.
Please read the below info.
Mary Jo T. Hartle

Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC
Director of Education
NFB Jernigan Institute

________________________________

From: Sandra Thomas IBP [mailto:sthomas at ibparticipation.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:06 AM
To: Riccobono, Mark
Subject: PLEASE ANNOUNCE: NSF and Other Summer Undergrad and Grad School
and Post Doc Funding


Once again, we are enlisting your help in getting this information from
the National Science Foundation and other donors to any students or
former students who may be considering undergrad summer research and/or
applying to graduate school. This year, we have also added post doc
listings for students getting ready to finish their doctorate. I hope
you will help us make a special effort to reach a diverse audience of
students including underrepresented minorities, first generation college
and students with disabilities.  Please feel free to forward this email
and/or print and post the attachment for your students and colleagues.

FOR UNDERGRADUATES:
Paid Summer 2010 Undergrad Research Placements!!!
Over 400 programs -Undergraduate REU and Other Summer Research
Opportunities: See www.PathwaysToScience.org/SummerResearch.asp

FOR THOSE CONSIDERING GRAD SCHOOL:
Opportunities at over 150 colleges and universities:
www.PathwaysToScience.org/Grad.asp

Professional Development and Support: Alliance for Graduate Education
and the Professoriate (AGEP): see www.agep.us

For Financial Support in  Graduate School Opportunities:
Bridges, GK-12, IGERT and NSF Grad Research Fellowship programs provide
generous stipend ($30,000 per year) and tuition support for students
through the National Science Foundation:
www.PathwaysToScience.org/Grad.asp

FOR POST-DOC OPPORTUNITIES: www.PathwaysToScience.org/PostDocs.asp

If you or your colleagues are teaching undergraduate courses I urge you
to make an announcement encouraging students to pursue these
opportunities while they have time over the holidays.  If you find any
errors in the listing of your programs (or others) please let us know
(you can send a response to this email or post them on:
http://www.pathwaystoscience.org/programform.asp).

We would be pleased to answer any questions you may have and provide you
and your students with assistance in looking into and applying to these
programs.

I hope you have had a good fall semester and have a happy holiday
season!

Sandy

Sandra Thomas
Senior Administrator, Institute for Broadening Participation
Email: sthomas at ibparticipation.org <mailto:sthomas at ibparticipation.org>
; shthomas at umich.edu <mailto:shthomas at umich.edu>
Websites: www. pathwaystoscience.org; www.agep.us <http://www.agep.us/>
; www.ibparticipation.org <http://www.ibparticipation.org/> ;
www.msphds.org <http://www.msphds.org> ; www.mainestem.org
<http://www.mainestem.org>
Phone: 866-593-9103 Fax: 207-563-6069





-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 04:09:09 2009
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:09:09 +1100
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions
Message-ID: <85ff10070911292009i22364f00u13b59980334a0d90@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'll be sending out the next NABS bulletin on Monday, Dec. 7. If your
state division has been doing anything exciting, or if you have an
event you'd like to advertise, please send me the information before
Saturday, Dec. 5.

Arielle

-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 06:26:44 2009
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:26:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accouning Software
Message-ID: <632092010911292226g108a3d74r2dbe02951a2be0dd@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Nathan,
When I asked a friend of mine about accessible accounting software I
was given the following information, hope it helps.

Aziza
"I use quickbooks with JAWS and I've heard that peachtree is also accessible.
It requires a lot of JAWS cursor use to get into some of the drop down
windows but it can be done quite easily once you get to know the layout of
the software."


From blindamp at q.com  Mon Nov 30 08:03:04 2009
From: blindamp at q.com (Marty James)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:03:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accounting software
References: <fc8eb2b0911290804q3b907feavc27d62a9ca3d87f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4F3BEDCB2D04DF894E986D5970@phx.gbl>

try www.accomplish.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Clark" <troubleclark at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:04 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] accounting software


> Dear Nabs
> I was wondering if anybody has heard of any type of accounting
> software that is user friendly with JAWS? If anybody has any
> suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 15:24:48 2009
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:24:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] essay contest for college students: The Writer
Message-ID: <217AEB783BA145649B8ADFD1B001D610@Rufus>

  

2010 Sylvia K. Burack Scholarship competition is now open 
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Award 
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Deadline 
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editor-in-chief and publisher ofThe Writer. Burack was knownfor her
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Requirements 
You must be 18 or older and a full-time undergraduate student at auniversity
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Rules 
. Submit 2 copies of a previously unpublished 600- to 800-wordpersonal essay
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. Entries will be judged on the quality of the writing, includinggrammar,
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. Include a cover page with the essay title and word count, as wellas your
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