From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 00:20:09 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:20:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) References: <409c235c0909301540r4538adf5r256b7883e0e208a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2060511EABD54ACB9F442EF6E829F113@TheDoubleD> I'd especially be interested in the one about dating and relationships. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4471 (20090930) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 01:25:00 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 11:25:00 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] October Bulletin Additions? Message-ID: <85ff10070909301825h139f876l714739610b2d8453@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I will be sending out another NABS bulletin this weekend. If you have any upcoming events during the month of October that you'd like to see announced, or if you want to report on something your student division did last month, please send to me before Friday afternoon. Thanks! Arielle -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From dandrews at visi.com Thu Oct 1 01:59:11 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:59:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PUBLIC COMMENT INVITED ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO ADA REGULATIONS Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Date: September 24, 2009 FOR INFORMATION CONTACT: DBTAC National Network of ADA Centers 1-800-949-4232 PUBLIC COMMENT INVITED ON PROPOSED CHANGES TO ADA REGULATIONS The public has been given 60 days to comment on proposed revisions to regulations implementing the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), as amended by the ADA Amendments Act of 2008. The regulatory changes, contained in a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking just announced by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), focuses on providing individuals seeking protection against employment discrimination under Title I of the ADA with a more expansive definition of "disability." Written comments must be submitted on or before November 23, 2009. The ADA is an antidiscrimination statute passed by Congress and signed into law by the President in July 1990. The EEOC is responsible for enforcing Title I of the ADA, which prohibits employment discrimination against individuals with disabilities. The ADA requires employers to make reasonable accommodations to employees and job applicants with disabilities. "We encourage the public to submit comments directly to the EEOC." "People with disabilities will be the winners when the new regulations are fully implemented and extensive public comment will ensure they are the best that they can be." The ADA Amendments Act, which went into effect Jan. 1, 2009, and the regulatory revisions embedded in the proposed rule now available for public comment, makes it easier for an individual alleging employment discrimination based on disability to establish that he or she meets the ADA's definitions of "disability." The ADA Amendments Act also modifies the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, which prohibits employment discrimination in the federal workforce on the basis of disability. The regulatory changes in the proposed rule emphasize that the definition of disability-an impairment that poses a substantial limitation in a major life activity-must be construed in favor of broad coverage of individuals to the maximum extent permitted by the terms of the ADA, and should not require extensive analysis. The regulatory changes expand major life activities to include "major bodily functions, and clarify that mitigating measures, such as medications and devices that people use to reduce or eliminate the effects of impairment, are not to be considered when determining whether a person has a disability. They also clarify that impairments that are episodic or in remission, such as epilepsy, cancer, and many kinds of psychiatric impairments, are disabilities if they would "substantially limit" major life activities when active. --MORE-- Finally, the regulation revisions provide a more straightforward way of demonstrating a substantial limitation in the major life activity of working, and implements the ADA Amendment Act's new standard for determining whether someone is regarded as having a disability. The Notice of Proposed Rulemaking containing the regulatory changes is posted on the EEOC website, http://www.eeoc.gov/ada/amendments_notice.html along with a question-and-answer guide about the proposal and instructions for submitting public comments to the Commission. You Can Submit Comments by Mail, Fax and Electronically, Here's How: Written comments should be submitted to Stephen Llewellyn, Executive Officer, Executive Secretariat, Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, 131 M Street, NE., Suite 4NW08R, Room 6NE03F, Washington, DC 20507. Comments submitted by fax. As a convenience to commenters, the Executive Secretariat will accept comments transmitted by facsimile (``FAX'') machine. The telephone number of the FAX receiver is (202) 663-4114. (This is not a toll-free number.) Only comments of six or fewer pages will be accepted via FAX transmittal to ensure access to the equipment. Receipt of FAX transmittals will not be acknowledged, except that the sender may request confirmation of receipt by calling the Executive Secretariat staff at (202) 663-4070 (voice) or (202) 663-4074 (TTY). (These are not toll-free telephone numbers.) Comments submitted electronically You may also submit comments and attachments electronically at http://www.regulations.gov , which is the Federal eRulemaking Portal. Follow the instructions online for submitting comments. Copies of comments submitted by the public will be available for review at the Commission's library, 131 M Street, NE., Suite 4NW08R, Washington, DC 20507, between the hours of 9:30 a.m. and 5 p.m. or can be reviewed at http://www.regulations.gov. ### From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com Thu Oct 1 03:08:30 2009 From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:08:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] From the nabs Membership Committee In-Reply-To: <409c235c0909301551y6a29bbe3ta3f50704af02e5b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think that these topics are good. I am especially interested in the first two. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:52 PM To: Arizona Association of Blind Students List Cc: Florida Students; California Students; North Carolina Students; Colorado Students; Minnesota Students; Utah Students; Nebraska; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Virginia Students; New Hampshire Students; Kentucky Students; List for NABS State Presidents; Louisiana Students; Illinois Students; Tennessee Students; New Jersey Students; Kansas Students Subject: [nabs-l] From the nabs Membership Committee Dear Nabs membership  We would like to thank everybody who could attend the membership discussion regarding elections.   We greatly value your participation and enthusiasm; for without it, we  would not  have an organized student division.  As  Chairs of the membership committee, we would  like  to initiate a topic discussion series including topics that would most interest you, that we  discuss via conference call.  Below we have listed five topics that  may or may not peek your interest.  If these topics sound good,we’ll look further into making them happen.   If they don’t Jump off of the page and grab you, and you might have  suggestions for topics that might be of particular interest to blind students,  please let us know, and we’ll do our best to make it happen. The  nabs membership committee  is excited  and  looks forward to getting the opportunity to work with all of you, and wants this exciting series of thought-provoking and interactive discussions to be built  by and for you all as students. Also, if you may have interest, we plan on having guest  speakers to facilitate the  discussions. Thank you in advance for your constructive feed back and  thoughtful suggestions; as our goal is to Find a way to get the membership communicating on subjects that we would all like to learn and discuss more about.  One final thing; if you would like  to assist in recruiting guest speakers for the conference call series, or   if you would  like to help out  with  the membership committee please feel free to contact either Janice or myself, Thanks.  Contact info:  Janice Jeang- Janice.jeang at gmail.com Darian Smith- dsmithnfb at gmail.com Suggested topics External outreach/relations: Service learning.  How can your local division/chapter get involved in the community?  What are the Benefits of getting involved? Why ought we get involved (Social responsibility, Perception-changing?) What is Service learning? Students in Sports; how the individual student can get involved in sports and recreational activities. What kinds of sports can blind people get involved with? How can I get involved? Why is involvement in sports important for an individual (blind or not)? Dating and relationships Fashion (what’s cool to wear on a date) Proper conduct and helpful hints (how to conduct one’s self/techniques one can use at clubs, restaurants and theaters)  Career; I can really do that?! What kinds of unique jobs do blind people hold? How did they get there? How did they show that they could be successful in their job? Blind Parenting? >From Hospital to home; how did they do it? (How does one perceive the blind parent in the hospital?) How does one insure their child is safe, happy, and healthy? (Alternative techniques for feeding, changing, monitoring your child… and more!) How does one navigate general public perception of the blind parent? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rachel%40beckerconsu ltants.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Oct 1 10:53:37 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:53:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) References: <409c235c0909301540r4538adf5r256b7883e0e208a5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00b001ca4285$6ebe4f90$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I think the topics suggested so far are good ones. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "Arizona Association of Blind Students List" Cc: "Florida Students" ; "California Students" ; "North Carolina Students" ; "Colorado Students" ; "Minnesota Students" ; "Utah Students" ; "Nebraska" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "Virginia Students" ; "New Hampshire Students" ; "Kentucky Students" ; "List for NABS State Presidents" ; "Louisiana Students" ; "Illinois Students" ; "Tennessee Students" ; "New Jersey Students" ; "Kansas Students" Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Dear Nabs membership We would like to thank everybody who could attend the membership discussion regarding elections. We greatly value your participation and enthusiasm; for without it, we would not have an organized student division. As Chairs of the membership committee, we would like to initiate a topic discussion series including topics that would most interest you, that we discuss via conference call. Below we have listed five topics that may or may not peek your interest. If these topics sound good,we’ll look further into making them happen. If they don’t Jump off of the page and grab you, and you might have suggestions for topics that might be of particular interest to blind students, please let us know, and we’ll do our best to make it happen. The nabs membership committee is excited and looks forward to getting the opportunity to work with all of you, and wants this exciting series of thought-provoking and interactive discussions to be built by and for you all as students. Also, if you may have interest, we plan on having guest speakers to facilitate the discussions. Thank you in advance for your constructive feed back and thoughtful suggestions; as our goal is to Find a way to get the membership communicating on subjects that we would all like to learn and discuss more about. One final thing; if you would like to assist in recruiting guest speakers for the conference call series, or if you would like to help out with the membership committee please feel free to contact either Janice or myself, Thanks. Contact info: Janice Jeang- Janice.jeang at gmail.com Darian Smith- dsmithnfb at gmail.com Suggested topics External outreach/relations: Service learning. How can your local division/chapter get involved in the community? What are the Benefits of getting involved? Why ought we get involved (Social responsibility, Perception-changing?) What is Service learning? Students in Sports; how the individual student can get involved in sports and recreational activities. What kinds of sports can blind people get involved with? How can I get involved? Why is involvement in sports important for an individual (blind or not)? Dating and relationships Fashion (what’s cool to wear on a date) Proper conduct and helpful hints (how to conduct one’s self/techniques one can use at clubs, restaurants and theaters) Career; I can really do that?! What kinds of unique jobs do blind people hold? How did they get there? How did they show that they could be successful in their job? Blind Parenting? >From Hospital to home; how did they do it? (How does one perceive the blind parent in the hospital?) How does one insure their child is safe, happy, and healthy? (Alternative techniques for feeding, changing, monitoring your child… and more!) How does one navigate general public perception of the blind parent? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 1 21:32:53 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 16:32:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] HandyTech introduces accessible contact management database Message-ID: Hi all, The following went out as an e-mail blast to our announcements list earlier. I thought some of you might be interested in this information. Thursday, October 01, 2009 For Immediate Distribution Sales contact: Earle Harrison 651-636-5184 earle at handytech.us Handy Tech North America Now Offers Handy CMS Handy Tech North America now offers Handy CMS, the new online Contact Management System developed with an emphasis on accessibility. Customers ranging in size from a sole proprietorship to large companies and government agencies will enjoy the quick, easy and efficient method of accessing important client and customer information in a secure, convenient and totally accessible environment. Handy CMS does away with the limitations of desktop based contact management software as well as the need to purchase multiple single user or expensive site licenses. A convenient low monthly or annual subscription fee provides businesses and organizations with a reliable and scalable customer relations tool while saving them thousands of dollars in up-front software costs. Also, Handy CMS subscribers never pay a penny extra to take advantage of new features or improvements as is the case with desktop based software packages, because improvements are available to all Handy CMS subscribers as they are released. "Handy CMS has proven to be an extraordinary productivity and communication tool for my company", says Handy Tech North America Founder and President Earle Harrison". "Although there are already some very good contact management systems in existence, people who are blind or have low vision have always been hard pressed to find one that offered full access throughout the entire program. Historically it has been necessary for screen reader manufacturers to devote resources toward customizing these programs in order for screen reader users to gain access to only a small fraction of features for a particular contact management software program". The Handy CMS user interface is HTML based so it may be accessed from just about any web browser or device. So whether you are using a Windows based PC, Apple Macintosh computer, cell phone or PDA, Handy CMS offers quick, easy and secure access to your contact's information anytime and from anywhere you have an Internet connection. Handy CMS features currently include: * An easy to use Web interface regardless of platform * Quick search feature by category * Task manager which allows tasks to be associated with specific contacts and the ability to task other users on the system * A calendar which allows appointments to be scheduled by other users and a day, week and month views * Quick note for documentation of customer interactions * A company-wide virtual bulletin board * The ability for screen reader users to navigate by various elements such as heading style, tables and with the use of short cut keys * A change log that allows users to view the most recent activity in chronological order * The ability to switch between a variety of foregrounds, backgrounds, font sizes and colors which is most beneficial for users with low vision * A call bridger that allows the user to place a phone call simply by clicking on the phone number; Must already have VOIP in place and there is a fee to set this feature up. If you are interested in running a free 90 day trial of the Handy CMS service, you may get started by going to: www.handycms.net Handy Tech North America also offers database migration, customization and VOIP integration on the professional consultation basis. For more information call: 651-636-5184 or send e-mail to: cms at handytech Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 347-422-7085 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us Thu Oct 1 21:58:47 2009 From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (David B Andrews) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:58:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: 2010 Washington Seminar Message-ID: >>> "Pare, John" 10/1/2009 3:37 PM >>> Fellow Federationists: The dates for Washington Seminar are: Monday, February 1 through Thursday, February 4, 2010 Great Gathering-In--Monday, February 1, 2010, 5 PM Congressional Appointments--February 2 through February 4, 2010 The following message comes from Diane McGeorge who organizes much of the logistics of Washington Seminar. * * * Please make your hotel reservations as soon as possible. We need to have reservations no later than December 30, 2009. Please do not contact the hotel to make your reservations. I submit all the reservations for the Washington Seminar. You may call (303) 778-1130, extension 219, to make your reservation, or you may e-mail your reservations to Lisa Bonder son at lbonderson at cocenter.org. We will confirm receipt of your reservation either by return e-mail or by telephone, so be sure to give us your telephone number and your e-mail address. The following is the information that I need to have to assure you of a room at the Holiday Inn Capitol. 1. Your date of arrival and departure. 2. First and last names of any roommates that might be sharing with you. If you make the reservation by phone, please spell first and last names of each person sharing the room. Please include arrival and departure date for each person. 3. Please specify if you wish to have: A smoking or non-smoking room An accessible room Two beds, one queen bed, or one king bed A rollaway bed (there will be a $10 charge per night) 4. If Divisions (i.e., Students, Parents, Merchants, Lawyers, etc.) wish to have space for a meeting, I must have your requirements for meeting space no later than December 1, 2009. We want to be able to accommodate everyone, and in order to do so we must have plenty of advance notice to work with the hotel. Per the hotel contract, individual cancellation must be made at least seventy-two hours prior to the date of arrival to avoid one-night's-room-plus-tax cancellation charge. You must get in touch with Lisa Bonder son or me to make changes to your reservation as soon as possible to avoid such a charge. The rates are $154 for single, double, triple, or quad rooms, and the tax is 14.5 percent per night. When you check in you must be prepared to cover at least the first night of your stay with either a credit card or check, and then arrange to pay the balance by presenting a credit card or a check for the remainder of the cost. Please remember, the deadline is December 30, 2009. There will be a number of special meetings during the seminar and you will want to watch the NFB Web site for special announcements. The Great Gathering-In meeting will be held on Monday, February 1, 2009. You certainly don't want to miss that. I hope this answers all of your questions. I look forward to seeing all of you in D.C. in February. Diane McGeorge From NShaheen at nfb.org Thu Oct 1 22:07:36 2009 From: NShaheen at nfb.org (Shaheen, Natalie) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:07:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] K-12 Braille Readers Are Leaders contest Message-ID: Braille Readers Are Leaders 27th Annual K-12 Contest November 1, 2009 – January 4, 2010 The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille, and the National Organization of Parents of Blind Children are pleased to announce the 27th annual Braille Readers Are Leaders contest. This contest encourages children around the country to be proud of their ability to read Braille and continually work to improve their skills. Children in grades K-12 can win T-shirts, cash prizes, and even an all-expenses-paid trip to the 2010 NFB Convention! This year participants will have the opportunity to form teams and compete for a special award. Gather your best friends, show your team spirit, and read read read! This year we are asking that all contestants register online at www.nfb.org/bral. Contest Registration and Deadlines § Please register online at www.nfb.org/bral § All who register by December 1 get a T-shirt § Braille pages must be read between November 1, 2009, and January 4, 2010 All contest materials must be received no later than Friday, January 22, 2010 § To request a paper registration form please contact us Braille Readers Are Leaders Phone: 410.659.9314 x2510 Fax: 410.659.5129 E-mail: BrailleReadersAreLeaders at nfb.org From NShaheen at nfb.org Thu Oct 1 22:08:30 2009 From: NShaheen at nfb.org (Shaheen, Natalie) Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 17:08:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Adult Braille Readers Are Leaders contest Message-ID: Braille Readers Are Leaders First Annual Contest for Adults November 1, 2009 – January 4, 2010 We know that the majority of gainfully employed blind adults use Braille daily, demonstrating that Braille readers are leaders! To promote the use of Braille in recreational reading among blind adults as a means to maintain and improve their skills, the National Federation of the Blind is pleased to announce the addition of the Braille Readers Are Leaders contest for adults. Braille reading individuals 18 years of age or older who are no longer enrolled in compulsory educational programming in the USA and Canada are eligible to compete in the contest. Adults with various levels of experience reading Braille are welcome to join in the fun. Contestants will compete for cash prizes, national recognition, and bragging rights. To add to the fun, participants have the opportunity to form teams to compete for a special award! Registration begins October 1, 2009; so form your teams, get some interesting reading material, and warm up your fingers! For detailed information please visit www.nfb.org/bral Contest Registration and Deadlines § Please register online at www.nfb.org/bral § All who register by December 1 get a T-shirt § Braille pages must be read between November 1, 2009, and January 4, 2010 All contest materials must be received no later than Friday, January 22, 2010 § To request a paper registration form please contact us Braille Readers Are Leaders Phone: 410.659.9314 x2312 Fax: 410.659.5129 E-mail: BrailleReadersAreLeaders at nfb.org Natalie L. Shaheen, MEd Education Program Specialist Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 1800 Johnson St. Baltimore, MD 21230 Phone: (410) 659-9314 x2293 Email: nshaheen at nfb.org Fax: (410) 659-5129 Visit: www.nfb.org From rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us Fri Oct 2 20:50:10 2009 From: rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us (Robert Miller) Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 15:50:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation Message-ID: NABS members, I just wanted to start off saying how much I appreciate the National Association of Blind Students, list. As an assistive technology instructor of blind and visually impaired K-12th students, I often use the input of ideas and strategies from this list to help my students. I teach both the Braille Note mPower and PAC Mate devices to my students and then let them decide which one performs the best for them. From time to time I have students taking Spanish that would like to have a Spanish-to-English, English-to-Spanish translation program loaded on their Braille Note or PAC Mate. I was wondering if any of you know if the Braille Notes or PAC Mates have the means to support a translation program. Also, maybe someone knows of another device that would give blind students full or enough access to be successful using it. I’ll say thanks in advance. I’ll be waiting for your response. Robert. From alberto.2500 at gmail.com Fri Oct 2 21:44:09 2009 From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 15:44:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ac6742c.06e2660a.34bb.ffffb106@mx.google.com> I think humanware offers something like this, but I'm not sure you would have to call them or email and ask them. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robert Miller Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:50 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation NABS members, I just wanted to start off saying how much I appreciate the National Association of Blind Students, list. As an assistive technology instructor of blind and visually impaired K-12th students, I often use the input of ideas and strategies from this list to help my students. I teach both the Braille Note mPower and PAC Mate devices to my students and then let them decide which one performs the best for them. From time to time I have students taking Spanish that would like to have a Spanish-to-English, English-to-Spanish translation program loaded on their Braille Note or PAC Mate. I was wondering if any of you know if the Braille Notes or PAC Mates have the means to support a translation program. Also, maybe someone knows of another device that would give blind students full or enough access to be successful using it. I'll say thanks in advance. I'll be waiting for your response. Robert. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail .com From cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com Sat Oct 3 00:56:16 2009 From: cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com (Ashley) Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:56:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation In-Reply-To: <4ac6742c.06e2660a.34bb.ffffb106@mx.google.com> References: <4ac6742c.06e2660a.34bb.ffffb106@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4804d1140910021756t5f38cd18k11e756695a15e166@mail.gmail.com> I have heard of a program that the Braille Note uses, so I know there is one, because I used to have a friend that used it. You may want to call them and check it out. i do know that there is a such program. Good luck! Smiles! Ashley On 10/2/09, Alberto Arreola wrote: > I think humanware offers something like this, but I'm not sure you would > have to call them or email and ask them. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Robert Miller > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:50 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation > > NABS members, > I just wanted to start off saying how much I appreciate the National > Association of Blind Students, list. As an assistive technology instructor > of blind and visually impaired K-12th students, I often use the input of > ideas and strategies from this list to help my students. > > I teach both the Braille Note mPower and PAC Mate devices to my students and > then let them decide which one performs the best for them. From time to > time I have students taking Spanish that would like to have a > Spanish-to-English, English-to-Spanish translation program loaded on their > Braille Note or PAC Mate. I was wondering if any of you know if the Braille > Notes or PAC Mates have the means to support a translation program. Also, > maybe someone knows of another device that would give blind students full or > enough access to be successful using it. > > I'll say thanks in advance. I'll be waiting for your response. > Robert. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Oct 3 17:04:32 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:04:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] WebAim Screen Reader Survey 2 Message-ID: WebAim is conducting a follow-up survey to its original screen reader user survey. Here is a link to the survey for those interested in participating: http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey2/ From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 03:26:15 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:26:15 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS October Bulletin Message-ID: <85ff10070910032026gfcd10cr89b944cb4183b864@mail.gmail.com> National Association of Blind Students >From the Desk of the President Saturday October 3, 2009 In This Bulletin: 1. Get Ready for Washington Seminar! 2. Announcements: Colorado Student Activities Virginia Youth Blowout 1. Get Ready for Washington Seminar! The National Association of Blind Students will be having its next regular meeting just before the NFB’s annual Washington Seminar on Sunday, January 31, 2010 at the Holiday Inn Capitol in Washington, D.C. The NABS meeting is an all-day event including presentations and breakout sessions on topics important to blind students. If you have any ideas for topics that you’d like to see included on this year’s agenda, simply reply to this email and let us know what’s on your mind! For more details about the legislative portion of the Washington Seminar or hotel reservation logistics, talk with your NFB state affiliate president. A list of NFB state presidents can be found at http://www.nfb.org/nfb/State_and_Local_Organizations.asp We look forward to seeing you in January! 2. Announcements Please note that I’ve decided to include only announcements about local student division activities in these monthly bulletins in order to make them shorter and more manageable. Announcements about scholarships, fellowships, contests and other relevant topics will be distributed throughout the month as I receive them. If you no longer wish to get these announcements, please let me know by replying to this message. Colorado Association of Blind Students Activities: Marty Rahn, president of the Colorado Association of Blind Students, writes the following: The Colorado Association of Blind Students, (CABS), has begun a Mentoring Program in conjunction with the Colorado School for The Deaf and The Blind, (CSDB), located in Colorado Springs Colorado. On Saturday September 19th, 2009, severall CABS members went down to CSDB to meet with some of the students who were there attending the school's Homecoming festivities, and to set up a time for a future meeting. We are headed down to CSDB again on October 15th to have an ice cream social and philosophy discussion with the studetns with visual impairments who live in the dorms on campus. We will be making matches in the next week or so, and plan to begin providing email and phone support to mentees soon. Virginia Youth Blowout: The National Federation of the Blind of Virginia, in association with the Virginia Student Division, is pleased to announce the second Virginia Youth Blowout, to be held at the National Center in Baltimore October 23-25. We are expecting 40 high schoolers from around the state to attend and learn about techniques for succeeding as a blind student, advancing their leadership skills, and building their confidence. About a dozen blind adult and college student mentors will lead the activities and supervise the students. Mark Riccobono will lead his very popular activity from two years ago with the students, where he taught them how a blind person can safely use a chainsaw to cut through a piece of wood. We're also hoping to have a hybrid car demonstration, and teach the students how to safely travel in a world with increasing numbers of quiet cars. Plus, the students will learn how to safely break boards with their bare hands! For more details or to receive an application, please contact John Bailey at 703-994-2040 or john_bailey17 at hotmail.com -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 05:18:46 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:18:46 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Bulletin Addendum Message-ID: <85ff10070910032218u3d8aee6cr80c3ffc018a4626b@mail.gmail.com> Hi again all, I inadvertently left out an announcement from the Utah Association of Blind Students (UABS) in the bulletin for this month. UABS will be having a pizza party and goalball in Logan, UT, on Oct. 24. For more information please contact president Mac Biggers at macbiggers at yahoo.com -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 19:37:03 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:37:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Musician Lachi Returns To The Djd Invasion Tonight Message-ID: <2869E4E31D404D099BDE6E17A7F762C1@TheDoubleD> Hello All! It's October 4, a Sunday night, and you know what that means? It's Djd Invasion night on Radio360! Tonight's show, which starts at 7 PM eastern, will be featuring Future broadcaster Hope from Maine as a co host Music from the 50's, 60's, 70's., and 80's, with the occasional modern song and country track thrown in A cash it or trash it track AAn appearance by an artist I interviewed back in February on ACB Radio Interactive, Lachi. She'll be coming on to let us know what's she's been up to And of course, it wouldn't be a Djd Invasion without interaction from you the listeners! To contact us during the show, you can reach us by email, aol instant messenger, or msn messenger at the address live at radio360.us or when we're on the mic, you can give us a call on skype at the address radio360usa or by phone by dialing 516-717-4425 As stated above, the fun begins at 7 PM eastern, so to listen, save this email, and at the above mentioned time, go to http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml to tune into the show. I hope to see you all there! Best regards, David Dunphy, Radio360 Station Manager http://www.radio360.us __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4479 (20091004) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From davidb521 at gmail.com Sun Oct 4 22:05:11 2009 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 16:05:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band Message-ID: <4ac90e21.1402be0a.11be.0608@mx.google.com> Hi. I am a senior at Starkville High School, and a trumpet player in the marching band and wind ensemble. I will be graduating in December, to attend the Louisiana Center for the Blind, after which I'll attend college. I am planning to play in a college band, and am very interested in marching, since I did not march drill in high school. I've heard of other blind musicians marching, but am not quite sure how they do it effectively when they're in formation. Are there any blind college or high school band members who would be able to give me some advice on this topic, or to recount some of their experiences as blind players in marching and/or concert band? Thanks aa lot. David From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Oct 6 00:34:04 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:34:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band References: <4ac90e21.1402be0a.11be.0608@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c201ca461c$b529e210$0401a8c0@Serene> Hi David, I was in the concert band and pep band in high school, but we didn't march cuz my teacher hated marching bands! I played percussion and was lucky enough to have a couple of great friends who gave me guidance on what instrument to play on each song and cued me (told me when to start playing) on the songs. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bouchard" To: Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 6:05 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band > Hi. I am a senior at Starkville High School, and a trumpet player in the > marching band and wind ensemble. I will be graduating in December, to > attend the Louisiana Center for the Blind, after which I'll attend > college. I am planning to play in a college band, and am very interested > in marching, since I did not march drill in high school. I've heard of > other blind musicians marching, but am not quite sure how they do it > effectively when they're in formation. Are there any blind college or high > school band members who would be able to give me some advice on this > topic, or to recount some of their experiences as blind players in > marching and/or concert band? > Thanks aa lot. > David > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From dandrews at visi.com Tue Oct 6 02:09:22 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:09:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbk] Summer internships in NYC Message-ID: >From: Kevin Pearl >To: NFBK >Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:55:09 -0400 >Subject: [Nfbk] Summer internships in NYC > >College students who are visually impaired can apply for 2010 Summer >Internships in NYC: > >http://www.esight.org/link.cfm?n=1653 > > > > >Http://Twitter.com/kvnprl >Http://facebook.com/kvnprl From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Oct 7 02:41:26 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:41:26 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Back to School Issue-September 2009 Message-ID: <85ff10070910061941gd67d140y508bd92fa59f53dd@mail.gmail.com> Bookshare’s College and University Members Back to School Issue - September 2009 Classes are now in session on many campuses around the country. We know that uncertain budgets, last-minute class changes and work furloughs at many schools mean that tracking down needed textbooks for students with print disabilities can take some time. Bookshare can be a resource to DSS staff and students. With over 50,000 volumes in DAISY and BRF formats and over 150 newspapers and periodicals from the National Federation of the Blind Newsline, Bookshare’s collection is growing to include more books for postsecondary students. With thanks to an award from Office of Special Education Programs, Bookshare books and the on-line tools to read them are free for all qualified students in the United States. In this issue: list of 6 items • Membership = Reading Independence • More books for Postsecondary Students • University Presses Agree to Contribute Books to Bookshare • Search for Books • Free Reading Tools • Upcoming Webinars list end Membership = Reading Independence: As Organizational Members, colleges and universities can download Bookshare books on behalf of qualified students; students can also easily become individual Bookshare members and download books they choose, when and where it’s most convenient. list of 3 items • Becoming an Organizational Member • Becoming an Individual Member • Organizational Members can also help create Individual Memberships for their students from the Member tab in their Bookshare account. list end Sign up your students and start downloading books today! More Books for Post-secondary Student: Bookshare now has 14 Partners. * These colleges and universities are contributing hundreds of titles that have already been scanned for students, making it easier to “look in Bookshare first” for needed texts. Books range from poetry to political science, autobiographies to anthropology. Bookshare protects publishers’ copyrights and guards against illegal sharing through a proprietary Digital Rights Management (DRM) technology which is added to all contributed books. The Bookshare DRM technology fingerprints and maintains a record of every book downloaded to identify potential misuse and copyright infringement. Read our Seven Point Digital Rights Plan. University Presses Agree to Contribute Books to Bookshare: Three prestigious university publishers joined the Bookshare Publisher Partner Program last July, to provide digital books for Bookshare's accessible online library. The University of Chicago Press, the University of California Press and New York University Press have all agreed to provide Bookshare with digital book files that will contribute thousands of new scholarly works to the Bookshare collection. Read the press release. Read more from the New York University Press. Bookshare is looking for more university publishers to work with. If your school would like to be included in this program, please let us know. Search for books: Bookshare members can search by both 10- and 13-digit ISBN numbers. Later this Fall, Bookshare will announce a new “search by text” feature. Stay tuned! Free Reading Tools: Bookshare members enjoy free tools to read Bookshare books: Don Johnston’s READ:OutLoud Bookshare Edition and Humanware’s VictorReader Soft, Bookshare Edition. In addition, readers enjoy hearing the digital Acapela TTS Voices by Acapela Group. Now, there’s READ:OutLoud Software for Macintosh® computers available to Members We all share a common goal: to get students the books they need, in the format they can use, in the fastest amount of time. We want our students to be successful and have the materials they need. We’re working hard at Bookshare to make this happen and appreciate the support of our university partners. Upcoming Webinars: For College and University members: “Bookshare and the University Student – What’s New for Fall?” Oct 8, 2009 - 1:00 pm Pacific Time As someone who works with college students with print disabilities, maybe it’s been a while since you’ve looked at the Bookshare site, or suggested Bookshare as a resource for your students. If so, this webinar is for you. Or perhaps you’re an avid Bookshare fan and want to keep up with the latest improvements. You, too, should join us! Presented by Bookshare’s University Program Manager, Cherie Miller, this webinar is for universities who are already Members and those who are new to Bookshare who want more information about Bookshare’s resources for their students: list of 5 items • New tools for reading and research. • New books from university presses and Partners. • Signing up new students. • Creating individual memberships for students already on the organizational roster. • And more! list end This webinar will be presented live on October 8 at 1:00 pm PST. Participants are encouraged to submit questions ahead of time; there will be time for questions during the presentation. The webinar will also be recorded and posted on the Bookshare site. Questions? Contact us for more details. Other webinars of interest: "Bookshare Reading Series - How to read on Macs with Read:OutLoud" September 30, 2009 - 12:00 pm Pacific Time All webinars are recorded and archived on the Bookshare site at: http://www.bookshare.org/about/training -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As always, we’re interested in your thoughts and comments. Contact us at: http://www.bookshare.org/contactUs ‘Till next month! Be sure to watch for our Bookshare Blog coming in a few weeks and follow us on Twitter, accessible Twitter and Facebook ! Cherie Miller, University Program Manager This project is supported by the U.S. Department of Education, Office of Special Education Programs Bookshare 14 University Partners:* Alliant University Arizona State University De Anza Community College George Mason University Monterey Peninsula Community College Texas A&M University of Idaho Indiana University Hadley School for the Blind Michigan State University Landmark College The Ohio State University University of California, Berkeley University of Montana Pending: Boston University University of Texas, Austin University of Arkansas Webinars “Bookshare and the University Student – What’s New for Fall?” October 8, 2009 - 1:00 pm Pacific Time "Bookshare Reading Series - How to read on Macs with Read:OutLoud" September 30, 2009 - 12:00 pm Pacific Time Quick Reply To: Allison Hilliker More Reply Options Send Save Draft Include quoted text with reply « Back to Inbox Archive Report Spam Delete More Actions... 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Details Gmail view: standard | basic HTML Learn more ©2009 Google - Terms - Gmail Blog - Google Home -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From JFreeh at nfb.org Wed Oct 7 02:44:27 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 21:44:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Los Angeles Public Library Suspends Purchase of Adobe Digital Editions Message-ID:  FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen National Federation of the Blind Director of Public Relations (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Los Angeles Public Library Suspends Purchase of Adobe Digital Editions Reading Rights Coalition Commends Decisive Action Los Angeles, California (October 6, 2009): The Reading Rights Coalition (RRC), which consists of thirty-one organizations dedicated to equal access to the printed word by people who are blind or who have other print disabilities, announced today that the Los Angeles Public Library system has agreed to suspend purchase of inaccessible e‑books using the Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) format. The library was informed by the RRC that ADE e-books cannot be accessed by technologies used by the blind and others with print disabilities, including devices that read text aloud or convert it into Braille. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: “The Reading Rights Coalition commends the Los Angeles Public Library for its swift and decisive action upon learning of our concerns and for its commitment to ensuring access to books by all of its patrons. Companies like Adobe have adopted digital rights management schemes which do not allow the blind and other Americans with print disabilities to access their books, even though e-books are inherently accessible and should provide an unprecedented opportunity for print-disabled Americans to access the wealth of knowledge contained in books. We will continue to inform libraries, universities, and other entities of the inaccessibility of these materials and urge them to comply with accessibility standards and applicable laws by requiring that any e-books they purchase be accessible to those with print disabilities. We will no longer tolerate the gratuitous inaccessibility of e-books; we demand that Americans who cannot read print be treated like first-class citizens and be given access to all of the printed information to which other Americans have access.” Mitch Pomerantz, President of the American Council of the Blind (ACB) and former ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) Compliance Officer for the city of Los Angeles, said: "I am extremely pleased with the Los Angeles Public Library's decision, both as ACB President, and as someone who worked closely for fourteen years with library staff to ensure that its programs and services were fully accessible to persons who were blind or had other disabilities. The example set by officials of the library will certainly be taken seriously and followed by major libraries throughout the nation." In a letter to the Reading Rights Coalition, the Los Angeles Public Library stated that the books were accessible when purchased from one of its e-book providers, OverDrive, but that Adobe had altered its software to block text-to-speech technology and then forced OverDrive to implement the new software. While the 773 ADE titles in the library’s collection will still be available to patrons, City Librarian Martín J. Gómez stated that no additional ADE books will be purchased until they are fully accessible to the blind and others with print disabilities. The library also said that all of its other digital offerings are currently accessible to such readers. The library’s action comports with a resolution passed in July by the American Library Association, which strongly recommended that libraries purchasing electronic resources should take steps to ensure that such resources comply with accessibility standards. In the letter to the Reading Rights Coalition, the Los Angeles Public Library stated that it “will make every effort to apply pressure to our vendors by requiring verification of accessibility standards and making it clear that we will not purchase electronic resources that fail to meet accessibility standards.” ### From leanne at uddle.com Wed Oct 7 03:24:40 2009 From: leanne at uddle.com (LeAnne Mayne) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:24:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Illinois State Convention, Streaming and More Message-ID: NFB of ILLINOIS State Convention Holiday Inn O'hare 5615 N. Cumberland Ave. Chicago, Illinois 60631 Oct. 9, 10 & 11 Audio begins with Senior Fair on Friday 11 am until 2:30 Resolutions Committee Meeting 7 to 8 pm IABS Idol 8:30 Until 11 or End Saturday Oct. 10 IABS Breakfast & Business meeting 7 to 8:30 am General Session 9 00 11:45 IABS Luncheon 12:15 to 1:45 General Session 2:15 to 5:30 ANNUAL BANQUET 7 to 10 pm Sunday Oct. 11 Significant Others Breakfast 7:30 am to 8:30 am General Session 9 am to 12:15 pm Convention audio will be available at http://listen.access-america.net:8000/live.m3u thanks to the Access America Radio Network. The audio will also be available on the Access America Network via satellite. Access America can be received across the U.S. with an MPEG FTA satellite system. These systems are similar to an Echostar or DirecTV system but have no monthly fee. See www.access-america.net for more information. LeAnne Mayne KB9ZEF leanne at uddle.com Listen to: LIFE THE UNIVERSE & EVERYTHING w/Blair Alper Sundays 7pm CDT HTTP://cband.info/rfd2.m3u When he is Motivated to do a SHOW From newmanrl at cox.net Wed Oct 7 03:51:59 2009 From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman) Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:51:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Notice of Writers' Division writing contest Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 2010 YOUTH AND ADULT WRITING CONTEST -- WRITERS' DIVISION OF THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND (NFB) Contact: Robert Leslie Newman, Newmanrl at cox.net The annual youth and adult writing contests sponsored by the Writers' Division of the NFB, 2010, are open January 1 to April 1. Adult contests, poetry and fiction, are open to all entrants eighteen years and over. Youth poetry and fiction entries will be divided into three categories: first through sixth grades, seventh and eighth grades, and ninth through twelfth grades. Prizes for contest winners range up to $100 for adult categories and up to $25 for youth categories. All contest winners will be announced at the Writers' Division business meeting during the NFB national convention to be held in Dallas, Texas, the first week of July, 2010. In addition to being announced during the business meeting, the winners will appear on the Writers' Division website, www.nfb-writers-division.org, shortly after convention adjournment. First, second, and third place winners in each category will appear in the summer and fall issues of the Writers' Division magazine, "Slate and Style." For additional contest details and submission guidelines, go to the Writers' Division website, www.nfb-writers-division.org. Robert Leslie Newman Email- newmanrl at cox.net THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Consumers will > be > able to control how the audio information is spoken to them, and have the > ability to change the level of speech and the language through a > customizable interface. Developers are optimistic that the new technology > will improve the quality of life of 8 million individuals living with > disabilities in the UK, and even > more around the world. > Ocean Blue Software also recently produced Nexus TVTM, a digital > technology > system with health care features that utilizes a television with a set top > box and a remote control. The system is capable of providing automatic > alerts reminding users which medication to take, and when. Users will also > be able to order repeat prescriptions by scanning a barcode with the > remote > control and then forward it to their pharmacist. Individuals with limited > mobility, will > be able to shop local stores and markets through the Nexus TVTM network > and > have items delivered to their home. > This is about exploiting technology to give the elderly and vulnerable > every possible comfort and security where they most want it - in their own > homes, said Ken Helps, CEO of Ocean Blue Software, in a company press > release. At the same time, it addresses one of the greatest challenges for > the British economy how to finance support for an ageing population. > It will be interesting to see how these technologies fare overseas and > if they will eventually be adopted in the US. > For more information, please visit > www.oceanbluesoftware.co.uk > > www.accessible-devices.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4482 (20091005) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > < http://accessible-devices.com/pipermail/a-d_accessible-devices.com/attachments/20091005/14e7737a/attachment.html> > This is an Announce only list. 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From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Oct 7 22:39:00 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! Message-ID: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello all, well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing the editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe for the class or what should i do? thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! hugs, from amy From jty727 at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 01:46:08 2009 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:46:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! In-Reply-To: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <54d8179e0910071846j10420a85wd815ec27c1f516f5@mail.gmail.com> Hey Amy! I would like to help with your problem, but I'm not really sure what exactly you are asking. If I can attempt to assist please let me know Justin On 10/7/09, Amy Sabo wrote: > hello all, > > well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm > taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going > too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a > reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing the > editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! > > i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is > different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe for > the class or what should i do? > > thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > from amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Oct 8 01:56:38 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:56:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Job opportunities in Colorado Message-ID: >Subject: job opportunities in Colorado > >Dear Friends and Colleagues, >Please consider the below announcement and/or please circulate the >below announcement widely. >The Colorado Division of Rehabilitation is seeking applications for >one orientation and mobility instructor and two vision >rehabilitation therapists at its blindness and low vision training >center in Denver. All three of these positions have residency >wavers, so the applicants do not need to be Colorado State residents. >Please see the below links for further information. Note: the links >have been run through a shortening service as they are extremely long. > >Orientation and Mobility Instructor: >http://tinyurl.com/yawre6m > >Vision Rehabilitation Therapist: >http://tinyurl.com/yb43lcs From JFreeh at nfb.org Thu Oct 8 02:06:55 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:06:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Announces Dr. Jacob Bolotin Awards Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Announces Dr. Jacob Bolotin Awards National Federation of the Blind to Award $50,000 in 2010 Baltimore, Maryland (October 7, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind today announced that applications are now being accepted for the 2010 Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award Program. Each year the National Federation of the Blind presents cash awards to individuals and organizations that have made outstanding contributions toward achieving the full integration of the blind into society on a basis of equality. Dr. Jacob Bolotin was a blind physician who lived and practiced in Chicago in the early twentieth century. He was widely known and respected in Chicago and throughout the Midwest during his career, which spanned the period from 1912 until his untimely death at the age of thirty-six in 1924. He was particularly recognized for his expertise on diseases of the heart and lungs. Bolotin used his many public speaking engagements to advocate for the employment of the blind and their full integration into society. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "Dr. Jacob Bolotin was a pioneer who overcame low expectations and discrimination to become a renowned member of the medical profession without the benefit of the support services and civil rights protections available to blind people today. He was also a fierce advocate for greater opportunity for the blind in his time, and doubtless would have been a leader in the organized blind movement had he lived to see it come into being. The Jacob Bolotin Award Program celebrates his pioneering spirit by recognizing and supporting outstanding programs, technologies, and individual efforts that promote independence and opportunity for blind Americans." Recipients of the 2010 Dr. Jacob Bolotin Awards will be determined by the Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award Committee of the National Federation of the Blind. Online applications are due by April 15, 2010. Individuals or organizations are encouraged to apply on behalf of themselves or others. The award recipients will be announced at the 2010 National Federation of the Blind Convention in Dallas. A total of $50,000 will be distributed to the award recipients. The Jacob Bolotin Award Program is funded through the generosity of Dr. Bolotin's nephew and niece, Alfred and Rosalind Pearlman. In addition to establishing the Alfred and Rosalind Pearlman Trust to endow the awards, the late Mrs. Pearlman also wrote The Blind Doctor: The Jacob Bolotin Story. The book has been published by Blue Point Books and can be ordered directly from the publisher at www.bluepointbooks.com. Proceeds from book sales will also benefit the award program. For more information or to fill out the online application, please visit www.nfb.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. Please visit our Web site: www.nfb.org. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 05:09:44 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:09:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! In-Reply-To: <54d8179e0910071846j10420a85wd815ec27c1f516f5@mail.gmail.com> References: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <54d8179e0910071846j10420a85wd815ec27c1f516f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <409c235c0910072209q54437c45o4877e80bfa748ce6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Amy, I believe that I'm having a difficult time trying to pin-point a good way to tackle this... Maybe some more information could be helpful? Are the papers you are editing hand-written? Are they Printed from a word doc? Any sort of information that might paint a better picture from which to work would be greatly appreciated! Best, Darian On 10/7/09, Justin Young wrote: > Hey Amy! > I would like to help with your problem, but I'm not really sure what > exactly you are asking. If I can attempt to assist please let me know > Justin > > On 10/7/09, Amy Sabo wrote: >> hello all, >> >> well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm >> taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going >> too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a >> reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing >> the >> editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! >> >> i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is >> different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe >> for >> the class or what should i do? >> >> thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> from amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > From jaedpo96 at aol.com Thu Oct 8 09:43:45 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 05:43:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! In-Reply-To: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CC1612F6DB6A6D-732C-3A835@webmail-d030.sysops.aol.com> Hi Amy I think you should ask your rehab councelor if she can get you a braille note. They work really well and are easy to use. Or maybe the packmate is for you. Maybe you could look at different technology to see what is best for you. Then you will be ablre to edit your papers just fine. That way your reader will only have to read for you, and you can write yourself -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo To: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS Sent: Wed, Oct 7, 2009 6:39 pm Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! hello all, well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing the editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe for the class or what should i do? thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! hugs, from amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jaedpo96%40aol.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 13:34:35 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:34:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps Message-ID: <8AC0ED7AD3224C3C929A6E0FCF753FF4@Rufus> Given the somewhat recent talk about AmeriCorps, I thought some might find this information useful: Subject: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps From: Olvia Claverie and the DC Council of the Blind dccbmail at aol.com We would like to take this opprtunity to share some information about the Americorps Program and their commitment to inclusion. Americorps can be a huge benefit to Centers looking for qualified individuals with disabilities to lead systems change activities! For an outstanding example of this, see the Idaho SILC's Accessible Network Transportation Project. It can also be a benefit to young workers or people with disabilities returning to the workforce by providing valuable experience. Find out more about Americorps at: http://www.americorps.gov/ AmeriCorps has helped my employment prospects immeasurably; I have more experience under my belt and have made a lot of contacts." -AmeriCorps Member AmeriCorps is committed to providing reasonable accommodations to volunteers with disabilities. Thanks to the Heart Act of 2008, individuals receiving SSI and SSDI payments can accept AmeriCorps stipends without jeopardizing their Social Security benefits. Please read on to learn how AmeriCorps =0 Acan help your consumers and your Center. AmeriCorps is committed to the inclusion of qualified individuals without regard to race, color, national origin, disability, gender, sexual orientation, religion, political affiliation or other non-merit factors. We believe that all individuals who are qualified and want to serve their community should have the opportunity to do so. What is AmeriCorps? AmeriCorps is a national service program often referred to as the "Domestic Peace Corps." People who join AmeriCorps commit to do a year of service in exchange for a modest living stipend and a scholarship. AmeriCorps is a real-life education and work experience wrapped into one. What Do AmeriCorps Members Do? People who join AmeriCorps (called "members") provide direct service in the areas of education, human needs, public safety, environment or homeland security. Examples include tutoring children, helping new immigrants find jobs, and building houses. Some members coordinate community programs, recruit community volunteers, or work in an office setting. There are hundreds of different AmeriCorps positions available, including full-time and part-time. Who Can Join AmeriCorps? AmeriCorps members must be at least 17 years old (there is no upper age limit) and a U.S. citizen, national, or legal permanent resident alien. People of all backgrounds are welcome to apply; education requirements vary by program. B enefits of Serving in AmeriCorps Members receive a modest living allowance, health insurance, a child care subsidy, and a scholarship ($4,725 for full-time service) to pay for higher education or to repay qualified student loans. Members also receive training, career connections, marketable skills, and the chance to make a real difference in people's lives. AmeriCorps is an awesome adventure and a way to gain the experience of a lifetime! Time Commitment: Full-time members complete 1700 hours of service in about one year, usually starting in August, September, or October. Part-time positions are also available. Locations: AmeriCorps opportunities exist in communities across the nation, including small, medium, and large cities. Training Opportunities: AmeriCorps members receive significant training and personal/professional development opportunities. From 10% - 20% of an AmeriCorps members' hours are spent in training. Members are trained to perform the specific service tasks of their position, and may be trained in other areas such as leading groups, coordinating volunteers, time management, and preparing for a career after AmeriCorps. Reasonable Accommodations: The people who manage AmeriCorps programs receive training in how to provide reasonable accommodations to members with disabilities, and a fund exists to pay for reasonable accommodations if needed. SSI and SSDI Benefits - The HEART Act On June 17, 2008, Preside nt Bush signed into law H.R. 6081, the Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Tax Act of 2008 ("the HEART Act"), making AmeriCorps more accessible to people with disabilities. "They didn't blink when I applied. In fact, they welcomed me with open arms. And looking back, this was one of the greatest experiences of my life." -AmeriCorps Member SSI: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a federal program that provides a monthly cash benefit to low-income individuals who are aged, blind, or who have a disability. In the past, receiving an AmeriCorps living allowance could disqualify an individual from eligibility. The new law directs the Social Security Administration to ignore an individual's receipt of AmeriCorps benefits for purposes of SSI eligibility. The AmeriCorps living allowance, health insurance, and child care subsidy are not counted as earned income for SSI. SSDI: Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) is a Federal program that provides money to individuals with disabilities based on their payments into the insurance program. There are separate laws and regulations for SSI and SSDI eligibility and the HEART Act moved through Congress too quickly to include SSDI. The AmeriCorps living allowance is counted as earned income for SSDI. We hope that Congress will extend the AmeriCorps exclusion to SSDI in the near-future. AmeriCorps and Other Public Assi stance Programs Medical Assistance (MA): Even if they have other health coverage, people with disabilities may need MA to cover high prescription drug costs and special health expenses, such as personal care assistance. Persons on SSI can receive MA at no cost. Other people with disabilities may qualify for the Medical Assistance for Employed Persons with Disabilities (MA-EPD) program, which provides MA coverage for a monthly premium, based on income. As long as FICA taxes are withheld, the AmeriCorps living allowance is counted as earned income, thereby allowing AmeriCorps members with disabilities to meet the work requirement for MA-EPD. Food Stamps: The AmeriCorps living allowance does not affect eligibility for Food Stamps. Other Benefit Programs: Involvement in AmeriCorps may affect eligibility for other programs. Some subsidized housing programs do not count the living allowance, but others may count it. Waiving the Living Allowance: Although AmeriCorps rules allow members to waive their living allowance, people with disabilities should use caution in doing so. 2008 AmeriCorps provisions state: "Even if a member waives his or her right to receive the living allowance, it is possible - depending on the specific public assistance program rules - that the amount of the living allowance that the member is eligible to receive will be deemed available." Moreover, it may not be necessary to waiv e the living allowance if a person qualifies for certain work incentives that can be used to reduce the amount of income counted by public programs. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4490 (20091008) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 16:26:32 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:26:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps In-Reply-To: <8AC0ED7AD3224C3C929A6E0FCF753FF4@Rufus> References: <8AC0ED7AD3224C3C929A6E0FCF753FF4@Rufus> Message-ID: <409c235c0910080926l745ce43dg253acdae4de50108@mail.gmail.com> What Joe has just provided is a nice overview of the benifits for AmeriCorps service and a overview of the different programs. As Joe also pointed out in a prior thread; there are many programs. It's best to look at what you want to get out of your term of service and keep in mind that you are going to learn skills on the job. I wouldpersonally suggest that you keep an open mind when looking for programs and a positive mind-set and your confidence about you when you get out there and serve if you choose to. I've made good friends who are actually texting me as I speak lol. One friend met a blind person who wanted to join the progrqm and wanted to know more about how they might get involved, what things to think about what questions to ask, and so on. So, I've been lucky enough to serve as a resource. I guess I am saying that in many ways; this opends doors for you! Best, Darian On 10/8/09, Joe Orozco wrote: > Given the somewhat recent talk about AmeriCorps, I thought some might find > this information useful: > > Subject: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps > > > From: Olvia Claverie and > the DC Council of the Blind dccbmail at aol.com > > We would like to take this opprtunity to share some information about the > Americorps Program and their commitment to inclusion. Americorps can be a > huge > benefit to Centers looking for qualified individuals with disabilities to > lead systems change activities! For an outstanding example of this, see the > Idaho SILC's Accessible Network Transportation Project. > It can also be a benefit to young workers or people with disabilities > returning to the workforce by providing valuable experience. > Find out more about Americorps at: > http://www.americorps.gov/ > > AmeriCorps has helped my employment prospects immeasurably; I have more > experience under my belt and have made a lot of contacts." > > -AmeriCorps Member > > AmeriCorps is committed to providing reasonable accommodations to volunteers > with disabilities. Thanks to the Heart Act of 2008, individuals receiving > SSI > and SSDI payments can accept AmeriCorps stipends without jeopardizing their > Social Security benefits. Please read on to learn how AmeriCorps =0 > Acan help your > consumers and your Center. > > AmeriCorps is committed to the inclusion of qualified individuals without > regard to race, color, national origin, disability, gender, sexual > orientation, > religion, political affiliation or other non-merit factors. We believe that > all individuals who are qualified and want to serve their community should > have the opportunity to do so. > > What is AmeriCorps? > > AmeriCorps is a national service program often referred to as the "Domestic > Peace Corps." People who join AmeriCorps commit to do a year of service in > exchange > for a modest living stipend and a scholarship. AmeriCorps is a real-life > education and work experience wrapped into one. > > What Do AmeriCorps Members Do? > > People who join AmeriCorps (called "members") provide direct service in the > areas of education, human needs, public safety, environment or homeland > security. > Examples include tutoring children, helping new immigrants find jobs, and > building houses. Some members coordinate community programs, recruit > community > volunteers, or work in an office setting. There are hundreds of different > AmeriCorps positions available, including full-time and part-time. > > Who Can Join AmeriCorps? > > AmeriCorps members must be at least 17 years old (there is no upper age > limit) and a U.S. citizen, national, or legal permanent resident alien. > People of > all backgrounds are welcome to apply; education requirements vary by > program. > > B > enefits of Serving in AmeriCorps > > Members receive a modest living allowance, health insurance, a child care > subsidy, and a scholarship ($4,725 for full-time service) to pay for higher > education > or to repay qualified student loans. Members also receive training, career > connections, marketable skills, and the chance to make a real difference in > people's lives. AmeriCorps is an awesome adventure and a way to gain the > experience of a lifetime! > > Time Commitment: Full-time members complete 1700 hours of service in about > one year, usually starting in August, September, or October. Part-time > positions > are also available. > > Locations: AmeriCorps opportunities exist in communities across the nation, > including small, medium, and large cities. > > Training Opportunities: AmeriCorps members receive significant training and > personal/professional development opportunities. From 10% - 20% of an > AmeriCorps > members' hours are spent in training. Members are trained to perform the > specific service tasks of their position, and may be trained in other areas > such > as leading groups, coordinating volunteers, time management, and preparing > for a career after AmeriCorps. > > Reasonable Accommodations: The people who manage AmeriCorps programs receive > training in how to provide reasonable accommodations to members with > disabilities, > and a fund exists to pay for reasonable accommodations if needed. SSI and > SSDI Benefits - The HEART Act On June 17, 2008, Preside > nt Bush signed into law > H.R. 6081, the Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Tax Act of 2008 ("the > HEART Act"), making AmeriCorps more accessible to people with disabilities. > > "They didn't blink when I applied. In fact, they welcomed me with open > arms. And looking back, this was one of the greatest experiences of my > life." > > -AmeriCorps Member > > SSI: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a federal program that provides a > monthly cash benefit to low-income individuals who are aged, blind, or who > have a disability. In the past, receiving an AmeriCorps living allowance > could disqualify an individual from eligibility. The new law directs the > Social > Security Administration to ignore an individual's receipt of AmeriCorps > benefits for purposes of SSI eligibility. The AmeriCorps living allowance, > health > insurance, and child care subsidy are not counted as earned income for SSI. > > SSDI: Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) is a Federal program that > provides money to individuals with disabilities based on their payments into > the insurance program. There are separate laws and regulations for SSI and > SSDI eligibility and the HEART Act moved through Congress too quickly to > include > SSDI. The AmeriCorps living allowance is counted as earned income for SSDI. > We hope that Congress will extend the AmeriCorps exclusion to SSDI in the > near-future. > > > AmeriCorps and Other Public Assi > stance Programs > > Medical Assistance (MA): Even if they have other health coverage, people > with disabilities may need MA to cover high prescription drug costs and > special > health expenses, such as personal care assistance. Persons on SSI can > receive MA at no cost. Other people with disabilities may qualify for the > Medical > Assistance for Employed Persons with Disabilities (MA-EPD) program, which > provides MA coverage for a monthly premium, based on income. As long as FICA > taxes are withheld, the AmeriCorps living allowance is counted as earned > income, thereby allowing AmeriCorps members with disabilities to meet the > work > requirement for MA-EPD. > > Food Stamps: The AmeriCorps living allowance does not affect eligibility for > Food Stamps. > > Other Benefit Programs: Involvement in AmeriCorps may affect eligibility for > other programs. Some subsidized housing programs do not count the living > allowance, > but others may count it. > > Waiving the Living Allowance: Although AmeriCorps rules allow members to > waive their living allowance, people with disabilities should use caution in > doing > so. 2008 AmeriCorps provisions state: "Even if a member waives his or her > right to receive the living allowance, it is possible - depending on the > specific > public assistance program rules - that the amount of the living allowance > that the member is eligible to receive will be deemed available." Moreover, > it > may not be necessary to waiv > e the living allowance if a person qualifies for certain work incentives > that can be used to reduce the amount of income counted > by public programs. > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4490 (20091008) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > From MRiccobono at nfb.org Thu Oct 8 20:24:52 2009 From: MRiccobono at nfb.org (Riccobono, Mark) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:24:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Students Needed for Braille and Technology-Related Research Message-ID: Dear Students, Please see the below announcement about an opportunity to participate in some important Braille and technology related research. This research will help provide some important data to the field so we encourage you to participate if you fit the criteria. Let your voice be heard. Thank you, Mark A. Riccobono Executive Director, Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND ------------- [Flyer for Students: Announcement of Study] Seeking Students for Research Study Students who are between the ages of 16 and 22 years who are Braille readers and users of assistive technology are needed for a study. This study will explore how you use both Braille and electronic information for classroom work, and how you learned these literacy practices. The purpose of this research will be to add to our understanding of the current role of both hard-copy (paper) Braille and use of electronic access to information by people who are blind from ages 16-22, and your attitudes and perceptions about both Braille and technology. This information will inform how we prepare pre-service teachers to instruct young Braille readers. If you are interested in participating in this study or getting more information, please contact me via email at fmd at pitt.edu, by calling 412-521-5797, or by writing to me at: Frances Mary D'Andrea 5513 Posvar Hall University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh PA 15260 If you are under 18, you MUST have your parents' or guardians' permission. A consent form will be send to you in braille or electronically after you verify that you are: 1. between the ages of 16-22 2. a student enrolled in school 3. a braille reader 4. a user of electronic assistive technology devices, hardware, or software. If you are under 18, your parents will also receive a consent form that must be signed before you can participate. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your interest! Frances Mary D'Andrea From pajohns1 at vt.edu Thu Oct 8 21:19:39 2009 From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:19:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of North Carolina chapter in Winston-Salem? References: <85ff10070910061941gd67d140y508bd92fa59f53dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E7DA4B56E054EEFA13AC04C0FFA35CA@useripvq7z5u3t> Anyone in North Carolina know if there is a chapter in the Winston-Salem-Greensboro area? The state web site at http://www.nfbofnc.org/ does not provide a list of chapters and the link links to an invalid address. Thanks, Patrick From merisa.musemic at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 21:26:45 2009 From: merisa.musemic at gmail.com (Merisa Musemic) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 17:26:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. Message-ID: Hi all! Can someone tell me what is the keyboard shortcut for new page in Microsoft word? I'm writing a paper, and every chapter is supposed to start on a new page. Thank you! Merisa From brownbears at mchsi.com Thu Oct 8 21:34:15 2009 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:34:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know that there is a keyboard short cut, but you can go to the insert menu and enter on break and then enter on page break. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merisa Musemic Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. Hi all! Can someone tell me what is the keyboard shortcut for new page in Microsoft word? I'm writing a paper, and every chapter is supposed to start on a new page. Thank you! Merisa _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.c om No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.4/2417 - Release Date: 10/08/09 06:39:00 From kramc11 at gmail.com Thu Oct 8 23:52:12 2009 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 19:52:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C029B38CF05430399480A36CFED676D@SonyPC> Merisa I don't know the keyboard shortcut, but a quick way of doing it in 2003 is to go to the insert menu choose break, then check page break. Hope this helps. Good luck, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merisa Musemic" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:26 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. > Hi all! Can someone tell me what is the keyboard shortcut for new page > in Microsoft word? I'm writing a paper, and every chapter is supposed > to start on a new page. > Thank you! > > Merisa > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 01:47:18 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 20:47:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. References: Message-ID: the fastest way i have found is ALT W M Enter -Teal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Merisa Musemic" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. > Hi all! Can someone tell me what is the keyboard shortcut for new page > in Microsoft word? I'm writing a paper, and every chapter is supposed > to start on a new page. > Thank you! > > Merisa > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Oct 9 00:34:28 2009 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:34:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Usually CONTROL-ENTER works. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:34:15 -0500, Miranda brown wrote: >I don't know that there is a keyboard short cut, but you can go to the >insert menu and enter on break and then enter on page break. >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Merisa Musemic >Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:27 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. >Hi all! Can someone tell me what is the keyboard shortcut for new page in >Microsoft word? I'm writing a paper, and every chapter is supposed to start >on a new page. >Thank you! >Merisa >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.c >om >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.4/2417 - Release Date: 10/08/09 >06:39:00 >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 03:11:20 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:11:20 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BGL Disability Rights Fellowship In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85ff10070910082011p2eb4becam52a58e0d2f0b66d0@mail.gmail.com> Announcement: In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first disability rights fellow. We are now accepting applications for next year's fellowship. The Fellowship offers a recent law-school graduate or judicial clerk (0-3 years out) with a disability the opportunity to participate in all phases of disability rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland. Brown, Goldstein & Levy is a 16-lawyer, Baltimore-based law firm devoted principally to litigation. The firm has developed a national reputation for its high-profile, high-impact disability rights cases. The one-year fellowship will begin in September 2010. The application deadline is November 16, 2009. Please visit our website for additional details about the fellowship and the firm and to download an application: www.browngold.com. Mehgan Sidhu Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP 120 East Baltimore Street, Suite 1700 Baltimore, Maryland 21202 410-962-1030 x1324 410-385-0869 (fax) ms at browngold.com www.browngold.com Confidentiality Notice This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally privileged and that is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized agent of the recipient, please be advised that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail, or taking of any action in reliance on the information contained herein, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by use of the reply button, and then delete the e-mail from your system. Thank you! -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: notice 2010 contest.doc Type: application/msword Size: 27136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 03:43:16 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 14:43:16 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Fw: The Bookshare Bulletin In-Reply-To: <737E014DFA7045DFB8FE963EB2412D5B@LATECH> References: <737E014DFA7045DFB8FE963EB2412D5B@LATECH> Message-ID: <85ff10070910082043i62d6f2c8s709b17c1ba31ace9@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Allison Hilliker Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:07:04 -0700 Subject: Fw: The Bookshare Bulletin To: Arielle Silverman Hi Arielle, Could you please forward this to NABS-L? Thanks, Allison ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bookshare" Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:15 PM Subject: The Bookshare Bulletin The Bookshare Bulletin Issue 4 :: Fall 2009 The activity at Bookshare this Fall is non-stop. We're busier than ever with new books, features and software. We're excited to announce additional publishers and universities as well as conferences and webinars. Membership is now over 60,000 and we have 57,000 books in our collection. Connect with Bookshare Come friend us on Facebook [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/7aaeb6cf22] , or follow us on both standard Twitter [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/4052c4e813] and Accessible Twitter [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/39238cdc1a/uid=bookshare]. Also, look for our new Bookshare Blog, launching soon. In This Issue A Fall Update [#story1] Bookshare Volunteers [#story2] Professional Development Workshops [#story3] University Partnerships Growing [#story4] International Program Expands [#story5] Readers Voice Contest Extended [#story6] Upcoming Events [#story7] Unsubscribe The Bookshare Bulletin was sent to you because you wished to receive information about Bookshare or you subscribed at our web site [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/f06bd6c99a. If you no longer want to receive The Bookshare Bulletin, please click the unsubscribe link at the bottom of this page. A Fall Update: New Software for Bookshare By Betsy Burgess Can the Bookshare you already know and love get any better? The short answer is yes. We've added some exciting new capabilities in the last few months and have more planned. There's something for everyone. Textbook Search Improved Are you a K-12 educator looking for NIMAC (National Instructional Materials Access Center) textbooks? You probably remember how hard it was to just figure out how to find out which textbooks were available. Now, it's much easier; you just go to Bookshare. Any Bookshare member authorized to download NIMAC books can now use our new "one-step" search that allows you to simultaneously search through Bookshare and the NIMAC. If the book is in the NIMAC, you'll get a "Request Book" button or guidance on how to get the book -- depending on which state you're from. One-step search should get textbooks to students much more quickly: in under a week in some cases or no more than two weeks. Digital Images Many Bookshare Members told us that digital images topped their wish lists. Well, wish no longer. Digital images are here. All NIMAC textbooks are available for download as a DAISY (Digital Accessible Information System) file with -- or without -- images: your choice. We'll also start including image descriptions in other books. Don Johnston's Read:OutLoud and Dolphin Easy Reader text to speech software already display the images but do not include descriptions. If you want to know how the assistive technology you use will support images, please contact your vendor. Have faith -- assistive technology is increasingly incorporating digital images. More Powerful Search Have you ever wished you could search Bookshare for all references to a certain topic? Maybe you've been baffled about the source of a famous quotation. This fall, Bookshare is launching full-text search. When students need to conduct research for a school report, they can now search all books in our collection simultaneously. A search for "William Shakespeare," for instance, will return all books with William Shakespeare in the title or in the text of the book -- as well as Shakespeare's works. Watch for the Bookshare Blog to learn how to use full text search and for more information. Note that you still will be able to search by author, title, or ISBN. Software for Bookshare Don Johnston has introduced a Macintosh version of its Read: OutLoud Bookshare edition software. The program is specifically designed for people with learning disabilities. Humanware has upgraded VictorReader Soft Bookshare edition to version 2.6. We're encouraging everyone who uses this software to download the latest version. For more information on software tools, go to www.bookshare.org/readingTools [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/bf62cb45fb] - Back to Top [#top] - Bookshare Volunteers By Pavi Mehta If you thought volunteering at Bookshare only meant scanning and proofing books, you haven't met our summer volunteers. Of course, our crew of nearly 30 in-person volunteers did some scanning and proofing, joining the ranks of some 1,700 virtual volunteers. But this summer, those visiting our cozy Palo Alto, California offices, also helped us market, develop our business and engineer our services. You name it -- they did it. Volunteers have now scanned and proofed more than 23,500 books. Here are three snapshot profiles of individuals who lent us their time and skills over the summer. Satej Soman Satej Soman will be a high school senior this fall. His previous experience proofreading scanned books for the National Institute for the Blind in Mumbai, India, led him to Bookshare. He pretty much hit the ground running, assisting us with processing books submitted by our outsourcers and helping with inventory checks. When Satej is not volunteering, he is listening to music, biking or reading. He plans to volunteer with us again next summer. Vonn Xavier Vonn Xavier, a Stanford University communications student, spent her summer helping us process vendor submissions and working on a draft of a manual for vendors assisting with Bookshare's collection development. When Vonn is not volunteering with Bookshare she's finishing up her senior year at Stanford. Her impetus for volunteering? "I believe in Benetech's mission to serve humanity with technology," she says. "And, I love books." Kartik Gopal Kartik Gopal just graduated with a master's degree in management from Stanford and is currently involved in a start-up venture of his own that seeks to put technology to meaningful use for people with visual disabilities. Kartik is working with Bookshare on a launch plan for Route 66 -- an exciting Internet-based initiative that will provide reading and writing instruction to adolescent and adult beginning readers with developmental delays. With his 13 years of semiconductor engineering and management experience across India, Germany, Singapore - as well as his skills as an amateur bike racer, a marathoner and a mountaineer -- Kartik brings a unique blend of skills with him. - Back to Top [#top] - Professional Development Workshops By Terri Icasiano Educators: you told us in our recent survey that you want professional development to help you understand how to use Bookshare and assistive technology. When asked about your plans for spending stimulus funds, you told us that you want to know how to improve education for students with print disabilities. You also told us you'd be interested in professional development from a non-profit such as Bookshare. In response, we are developing professional workshops that qualify to be funded under the stimulus bill, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA). Here is information about our first two workshops. Aligning Assistive Reading Tools to Student Needs This course is designed to review a broad range of assistive technology software and devices available for students with print disabilities. The goal is to identify the appropriate technology to meet the unique needs of each student. Through an interactive curriculum, course participants will learn how to use software and devices from a variety of vendors. They will then be able to use their knowledge to make educated decisions about matching the right devices and software to individual students. In addition, every participant will leave with action plans they can take back to the classroom to ensure lasting results after the workshop is over. Bookshare in Depth In this workshop, participants will learn how to use Bookshare with their students. This course is designed to cover all levels of use. Through labs and exercises, participants will learn how to create and manage class rosters as well as how to search, request, and download books. In addition, every participant will leave with lesson plans they can take back to the classroom to ensure lasting results after the workshop is over. Bookshare's support extends beyond the workshop. We include online follow-up coaching after each course. Coaching will focus on each participant's progress and his or her implementation of action plans. Watch www.bookshare.org [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/276a9fa3b1] for more information. Remember these workshops qualify for ARRA funds. - Back to Top [#top] - University Partnerships Growing By Cherie Miller When a student at Michigan State University needs a book transformed from pulp into a flexible electronic format, the staff at the Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities jumps into action. Tom Hwang They search the Internet -- including Bookshare -- to see if the book already exists or if they need to process it themselves, says Tom Hwang, specialist with the Resource Center. Normally turning a book into an accessible electronic form involves cutting the spine off a book, scanning it and then making sure that the scan is correct. That's something that can only be done by humans. The process can take an hour for a super clean, very simple book. Complex books, on the other hand, take much longer. A scientific textbook can take up to 200 hours to produce with descriptions of all of the tables, charts and graphs. So it's a big time saver when Bookshare already has a book in its collection. Bookshare is "a treasure," Hwang says. "I feel it's quite a blessing for students to have the Bookshare resources available." Until recently, the process of sharing went one way. University students with qualifying disabilities have always had access to Bookshare's 57,000-plus book collection. Now, books are flowing two ways, thanks to Bookshare's growing university partnership program. When a university partners with Bookshare, it shares its accessible materials with Bookshare, as appropriate under the terms of U.S. copyright law. The partnership helps other universities. If one university scans and contributes a book, other universities don't have to duplicate the effort. However, the real beneficiaries of the university partnerships are the students who have access to a much larger collection of books that they can use in their classes. Currently, Bookshare has 14 university partners with more universities expressing interest in the program all the time. These partners are Alliant University, Indiana University, Arizona State University, Hadley School for the Blind, De Anza Community College, Michigan State University, George Mason University, Landmark College, Monterey Peninsula Community College, Texas A&M, University of California, Berkeley , University of Idaho, the University of Montana and Ohio State University, which boasts the largest population of students with disabilities. Sarah Terry, auxiliary services administrator for the Office for Disability Services at Ohio State University, says Bookshare and programs like it represent the future. "I have no reason to believe that Bookshare will not become an extremely viable component to students having accessible materials, whether they are textbooks or supplemental course materials in the future," Terry says. "They won't be the only player in the field but they'll probably be one of the biggest ones supporting students." - Back to Top [#top] - International Program Expands By Viji Dilip Before Bookshare came to India, Balasubramanian Kannan would painstakingly chop and scan his own books -- 20 pages at a time. Balasubramanian Kannan "It took 15 to 20 days to complete a book," says Kannan, a stenographer from Chennai, India. In October 2008, not quite a year ago, Bookshare came to India and now Kannan. Who is blind, can often find the books he is seeking already transformed in to an accessible formats. He is full of gratitude -- especially because Bookshare is giving him access to computer programming books, which he needs to make a career change. "We appreciate your efforts to bring popular books," says Kannan. He adds a humble request: He wants "more and more books in the Indian section." In fact, this is exactly what Bookshare is trying to do. Not only is Bookshare now in India, but it is making inroads to other countries as well, including Kenya and Nigeria. Unfortunately, bringing books to countries outside of the United States can sometimes be a complicated process. In the United States, an exemption in the copyright law allows authorized entities to reproduce or distribute electronic copies of published books for use by people with qualifying disabilities such as blindness. There is no such law in India. In fact, in India, you cannot just take a book, chop it and scan it and put it online. Instead, you have to talk to every single publisher and author to get permission. The process is slow, but working. Bookshare is growing every day. We now work with many big publishing houses and an equal number of small publishers. About 70% of our current Members in India are visually impaired and the remainder have physical and learning disabilities. In addition, Bookshare recently partnered with the DAISY Forum of India to reach out to even more Members. Anyone who has a membership in Bookshare's India program also automatically becomes a member of The DAISY Forum of India. Member organizations of the DAISY Forum of India produce and maintain libraries of digital talking books, Braille books or ebooks. Bookshare Members will automatically have access to their collection. We've had some major wins. Recently, one of the biggest publishers of Indian literature, Sahitya Akademy, gave us permission to reproduce all of their books. In addition, we have books from Oxford University Press, Orient Blackswan, Seasons Publishing, Westland Publishing, Sheth Publications, Zubaan books, Leadstart Publishing, Book Box and Pratham. We have more than 300 books published in India that have been added to our global collections. - Back to Top [#top] - Readers Voice Contest Extended By Mario Oliveros Calling all Kindergarten through grade 12 readers! The Bookshare Reader's Voice Contest has been extended. You now have until Halloween, Saturday, October 31, to enter. Don't be afraid. This is not a Halloween trick -- and you could get a huge treat. The prizes are a choice of the Victor Reader Stream or a ClassMate Reader, both portable, digital audio book player, from HumanWare. You just have to be a Bookshare member in elementary through high school. To participate, download books and write short reviews (about 100 words), telling us why you liked (or didn't like) the book, discussing your favorite character and letting us know if you'd recommend the book. We know you've been doing some summer reading. So now is your chance to have it pay off. Winners will include those who read the most books and write the most reviews. All Bookshare Members, from kindergartners to high school seniors, are eligible. Please help us spread the word. If you have not registered, sign up! If you know a U.S. student in grades K-12 who is a Bookshare member and loves to read, let them know about the Reader's Voice Contest. Learn more [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/697ef395fb] . - Back to Top [#top] - Upcoming Events By Inga Zukin Webinars Bookshare Reading Series: How to read on Macs with Read:OutLoud Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 12:00 PM PT Register here [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/ba4ea203fb/udc=5omomg8kbj34] Bookshare and the University Student - What's New for Fall? Thursday, October 8, 2009 - 1:00 PM PT Register here [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/31ce62e65a/udc=rgo6mn7si4n8] To see archived Webinars, go to: www.bookshare.org/about/training#Pre-recorded_Webinars [http://cts.vresp.com/c/?Benetech/5164f5ce36/dffb0032cf/7544905456] Conferences and Events October 7-9, 2009 Bismarck, ND - Title I/Special Education Fall Conference October 15-17, 2009 Bloomington, MN - Closing the Gap Oct 17-20, 2009 Salt Lake, UT - The National Association of State Directors of Special Education Oct 18-20, 2009 Alberta, Canada - Canadian Vision Teachers' Conference Oct 18-21, 2009 San Diego, CA - California Association for Postsecondary Education and Disability Oct 23-24, 2009 Niagara Falls, NY - 2009 New York State. Council for Exceptional Children annual convention Oct 28-31, 2009 Schaumburg, IL - Assistive Technology Industry Association, conference, Chicago Oct 28 - Nov. 1, 2009 Portland, OR - Council of Great City Schools annual fall conference Oct 30-31, 2009 Harrisburg, PA - Pennsylvania Learning Disabilities Association of America - Back to Top [#top] - Copyright © 2009 Benetech®. 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Benetech 480 California Ave., Suite 201 Palo Alto, California 94306 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy: http://www.verticalresponse.com/content/pm_policy.html -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From mewhalen at wisc.edu Fri Oct 9 03:13:17 2009 From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen) Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 22:13:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. References: Message-ID: Shift enter will do it. meghan From aguimaraes at nbp.org Fri Oct 9 17:30:32 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 13:30:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. References: Message-ID: <949CC8ECBEFA4EB0876302ABA214973C@nbp2.local> Just tried it, and Shift enter does not work for creating a new page. Control enter does, as Steve Jacobsen said. By the way Steve, here are my early birthday wishes. Antonio Guimaraes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. > Usually CONTROL-ENTER works. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:34:15 -0500, Miranda brown wrote: > >>I don't know that there is a keyboard short cut, but you can go to the >>insert menu and enter on break and then enter on page break. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >>Of Merisa Musemic >>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:27 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Shortcut For New Page Microsoft word. > >>Hi all! Can someone tell me what is the keyboard shortcut for new page in >>Microsoft word? I'm writing a paper, and every chapter is supposed to >>start >>on a new page. >>Thank you! > >>Merisa > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brownbears%40mchsi.c >>om >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.4/2417 - Release Date: 10/08/09 >>06:39:00 > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From JFreeh at nfb.org Fri Oct 9 18:14:22 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:14:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Commends United States Mint on Release of Braille Education Set Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Commends United States Mint on Release of Braille Education Set Set Features the 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar Baltimore, Maryland (October 8, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind, the nation’s leading advocate for Braille, is pleased to announce that the United States Mint released today the limited edition Braille Education Set. The set will include a beautiful 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar presented in a collectible folder designed to highlight the life and legacy of Louis Braille, as well as the importance of Braille in the lives of blind people all over the world. Congress authorized the minting in 2009 of 400,000 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollars to mark the two-hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille (1809–1852) and to support the efforts of the National Federation of the Blind to promote literacy among blind Americans. This unique and beautiful commemorative coin is the first U.S. currency to feature tactile, readable Braille. A portion of the proceeds from sales of the 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar and Braille Education Set will be used to support the NFB’s “Braille Readers are Leaders” campaign, a national initiative created to double the number of blind children learning Braille by 2015, improve certification standards for teachers of Braille, and conduct innovative programs to support Braille literacy. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: “We are pleased that the United States Mint is recognizing the critical importance of Braille literacy for the blind by releasing this limited edition Braille Education Set. There can be no doubt that the ability to read and write Braille competently and efficiently is the key to education, employment, and success for the blind; yet only one in ten blind children in the United States are currently learning it. We are asking all Americans to help us in ensuring literacy, education, productivity, and success for every blind American by purchasing a 2009 Braille Education Set today.” Those interested in ordering a 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar or the Braille Education Set should visit www.braille.org or www.usmint.gov or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468). The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar and the Braille Education Set will only be available until December 11, 2009. For more information about the National Federation of the Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit www.braille.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From winy_kwany at yahoo.com Fri Oct 9 19:13:13 2009 From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 12:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? Message-ID: <749512.34221.qm@web62406.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi all, All students of the academy where I am studying will do a charity concert to an autistic center. Any ideas what should we do there? I think we can't come there and perform directly since people with autism need some time to respond and give feetback. We should find a way so they can "be with us". They are always with themselves in their own world most of the time. So, any ideas? Input? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Many thanks. Winy. From noreply at serotek.com Fri Oct 9 20:46:58 2009 From: noreply at serotek.com (Serotek Announcements) Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:46:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind Message-ID: NEWS RELEASE Media Contact: pr at serotek.com 612.720.1068 Technical Contact : info at serotek.com Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind iBlink Radio available in App Store MINNEAPOLIS, Minn – October 9, 2009 – Serotek Corporation, the leading provider of internet and digital information accessibility software and services, introduced a third-party iPhone application today specifically designed for those who are blind or have low vision. Now available in the App Store, the application is called iBlink Radio™ and is the first such application to be introduced in the world. iBlink Radio allows people to listen to podcasts, radio stations and reading services produced by and for the blind community. The reading service section of iBlink Radio provides audio versions of newspapers, magazines and periodicals for anyone unable to read the printed page, regardless of disability. Daily newspapers include USA Today, Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. Listeners can also access all known radio stations owned and operated by the blind, and the podcast section offers topics ranging from technology to cooking. “The iPhone is a great platform for doing just about anything, whether it be learning something new or just jamming to some great tunes,” said Mike Calvo, CEO, Serotek Corporation, “iBlink Radio represents all that and more; it marks another step toward inclusion for all.” While the application offers a convenient way for the blind community to stay connected, the application is available to everyone, blind or sighted. In addition to being of great interest to those who are blind or have partial sight, iBlink Radio is also invaluable resource to family members, friends and professionals serving this community. -more- For additional information, visit http://www.serotek.com/eyeblink . Serotek Corporation Serotek Corporation is a leading technology company that develops software and manufactures accessibility solutions under the System Access brand. Committed to the mission of providing accessibility anywhere, Serotek began with the launch of the first online community specifically designed to meet the needs of people with visual impairment. Since then, Serotek has introduced several powerful, affordable solutions that require minimal training and investment. For more information, visit www.serotek.com. ### Editors Note: Product names, brands and other trademarks featured or referred to are the property of their respective trademark holders. These trademark holders are not affiliated with Accessible Event and do not sponsor or endorse these materials. From jsorozco at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 21:04:57 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 17:04:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <909F66CD2D724860848ACCDAFF594152@Rufus> Anyone know where the blink nickname came from for blind people? I think it's rather silly. Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Serotek Announcements (by way of David Andrews) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:47 PM To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind NEWS RELEASE Media Contact: pr at serotek.com 612.720.1068 Technical Contact : info at serotek.com Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind iBlink Radio available in App Store MINNEAPOLIS, Minn - October 9, 2009 - Serotek Corporation, the leading provider of internet and digital information accessibility software and services, introduced a third-party iPhone application today specifically designed for those who are blind or have low vision. Now available in the App Store, the application is called iBlink RadioT and is the first such application to be introduced in the world. iBlink Radio allows people to listen to podcasts, radio stations and reading services produced by and for the blind community. The reading service section of iBlink Radio provides audio versions of newspapers, magazines and periodicals for anyone unable to read the printed page, regardless of disability. Daily newspapers include USA Today, Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. Listeners can also access all known radio stations owned and operated by the blind, and the podcast section offers topics ranging from technology to cooking. "The iPhone is a great platform for doing just about anything, whether it be learning something new or just jamming to some great tunes," said Mike Calvo, CEO, Serotek Corporation, "iBlink Radio represents all that and more; it marks another step toward inclusion for all." While the application offers a convenient way for the blind community to stay connected, the application is available to everyone, blind or sighted. In addition to being of great interest to those who are blind or have partial sight, iBlink Radio is also invaluable resource to family members, friends and professionals serving this community. -more- For additional information, visit http://www.serotek.com/eyeblink . Serotek Corporation Serotek Corporation is a leading technology company that develops software and manufactures accessibility solutions under the System Access brand. Committed to the mission of providing accessibility anywhere, Serotek began with the launch of the first online community specifically designed to meet the needs of people with visual impairment. Since then, Serotek has introduced several powerful, affordable solutions that require minimal training and investment. For more information, visit www.serotek.com. ### Editors Note: Product names, brands and other trademarks featured or referred to are the property of their respective trademark holders. These trademark holders are not affiliated with Accessible Event and do not sponsor or endorse these materials. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4494 (20091009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4494 (20091009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From davidb521 at gmail.com Fri Oct 9 22:32:41 2009 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 16:32:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? Message-ID: <4acfac42.48c3f10a.76ca.ffff864d@mx.google.com> What sort of band will be performing, and what will you be playing? David -----Original Message----- From: Winy Kwany Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:13 PM To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org; blind-musician at yahoogroups.com; braillem at topica.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? Hi all, All students of the academy where I am studying will do a charity concert to an autistic center. Any ideas what should we do there? I think we can't come there and perform directly since people with autism need some time to respond and give feetback. We should find a way so they can "be with us". They are always with themselves in their own world most of the time. So, any ideas? Input? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Many thanks. Winy. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Fri Oct 9 22:03:24 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! In-Reply-To: <409c235c0910072209q54437c45o4877e80bfa748ce6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <911638573.2171631255125804183.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello darren, as for my work for the class it's been in a workbook but, the homework that i have to do i can do on my own with my cctv. but, i had the difficuklty with the sentences on the tests. thanks for your assistance and i will talk to you soon! hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 05:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need assistance! Hi Amy, I believe that I'm having a difficult time trying to pin-point a good way to tackle this... Maybe some more information could be helpful? Are the papers you are editing hand-written? Are they Printed from a word doc? Any sort of information that might paint a better picture from which to work would be greatly appreciated! Best, Darian On 10/7/09, Justin Young wrote: > Hey Amy! > I would like to help with your problem, but I'm not really sure what > exactly you are asking. If I can attempt to assist please let me know > Justin > > On 10/7/09, Amy Sabo wrote: >> hello all, >> >> well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm >> taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going >> too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a >> reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing >> the >> editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! >> >> i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is >> different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe >> for >> the class or what should i do? >> >> thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> from amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Fri Oct 9 22:05:18 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 22:05:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! In-Reply-To: <54d8179e0910071846j10420a85wd815ec27c1f516f5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2051559965.2172101255125918956.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello justin, thanks for your help and assistance with my problem. like i said it's with the workbook in class that i have this but, when i do it at home i don't have that difficulty since i use a cctv for myy homework. thanks again and i will talk to you soon! hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 01:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need assistance! Hey Amy! I would like to help with your problem, but I'm not really sure what exactly you are asking. If I can attempt to assist please let me know Justin On 10/7/09, Amy Sabo wrote: > hello all, > > well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm > taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going > too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a > reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing the > editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! > > i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is > different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe for > the class or what should i do? > > thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > from amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From iamantonio at cox.net Sat Oct 10 00:04:30 2009 From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:04:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! References: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <5707087FBF884435B12E5756D98EC20B@userf9b4fa60eb> Amy, you said i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe for the class or what should i do? How is is different? What is your minor, and what sort of things are you editing? Antonio Guimaraes If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary works in Braille. Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you. http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" To: "NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS" Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! > hello all, > > well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm > taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going > too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a > reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing > the editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! > > i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is > different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe > for the class or what should i do? > > thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > from amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net From iamantonio at cox.net Sat Oct 10 00:10:00 2009 From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:10:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps References: <8AC0ED7AD3224C3C929A6E0FCF753FF4@Rufus> <409c235c0910080926l745ce43dg253acdae4de50108@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: No upper age limit in Americorps is important to me. I am now a returning non-traditional student, Antonio Guimaraes If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary works in Braille. Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you. http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps > What Joe has just provided is a nice overview of the benifits for > AmeriCorps service and a overview of the different programs. As Joe > also pointed out in a prior thread; there are many programs. It's > best to look at what you want to get out of your term of service and > keep in mind that you are going to learn skills on the job. I > wouldpersonally suggest that you keep an open mind when looking for > programs and a positive mind-set and your confidence about you when > you get out there and serve if you choose to. > I've made good friends who are actually texting me as I speak lol. > One friend met a blind person who wanted to join the progrqm and > wanted to know more about how they might get involved, what things to > think about what questions to ask, and so on. So, I've been lucky > enough to serve as a resource. I guess I am saying that in many > ways; this opends doors for you! > > Best, > Darian > > On 10/8/09, Joe Orozco wrote: >> Given the somewhat recent talk about AmeriCorps, I thought some might >> find >> this information useful: >> >> Subject: EXCEL! - AmeriCorps >> >> >> From: Olvia Claverie and >> the DC Council of the Blind dccbmail at aol.com >> >> We would like to take this opprtunity to share some information about >> the >> Americorps Program and their commitment to inclusion. Americorps can be a >> huge >> benefit to Centers looking for qualified individuals with disabilities to >> lead systems change activities! For an outstanding example of this, see >> the >> Idaho SILC's Accessible Network Transportation Project. >> It can also be a benefit to young workers or people with disabilities >> returning to the workforce by providing valuable experience. >> Find out more about Americorps at: >> http://www.americorps.gov/ >> >> AmeriCorps has helped my employment prospects immeasurably; I have more >> experience under my belt and have made a lot of contacts." >> >> -AmeriCorps Member >> >> AmeriCorps is committed to providing reasonable accommodations to >> volunteers >> with disabilities. Thanks to the Heart Act of 2008, individuals receiving >> SSI >> and SSDI payments can accept AmeriCorps stipends without jeopardizing >> their >> Social Security benefits. Please read on to learn how AmeriCorps =0 >> Acan help your >> consumers and your Center. >> >> AmeriCorps is committed to the inclusion of qualified individuals without >> regard to race, color, national origin, disability, gender, sexual >> orientation, >> religion, political affiliation or other non-merit factors. We believe >> that >> all individuals who are qualified and want to serve their community >> should >> have the opportunity to do so. >> >> What is AmeriCorps? >> >> AmeriCorps is a national service program often referred to as the >> "Domestic >> Peace Corps." People who join AmeriCorps commit to do a year of service >> in >> exchange >> for a modest living stipend and a scholarship. AmeriCorps is a real-life >> education and work experience wrapped into one. >> >> What Do AmeriCorps Members Do? >> >> People who join AmeriCorps (called "members") provide direct service in >> the >> areas of education, human needs, public safety, environment or homeland >> security. >> Examples include tutoring children, helping new immigrants find jobs, and >> building houses. Some members coordinate community programs, recruit >> community >> volunteers, or work in an office setting. There are hundreds of different >> AmeriCorps positions available, including full-time and part-time. >> >> Who Can Join AmeriCorps? >> >> AmeriCorps members must be at least 17 years old (there is no upper age >> limit) and a U.S. citizen, national, or legal permanent resident alien. >> People of >> all backgrounds are welcome to apply; education requirements vary by >> program. >> >> B >> enefits of Serving in AmeriCorps >> >> Members receive a modest living allowance, health insurance, a child care >> subsidy, and a scholarship ($4,725 for full-time service) to pay for >> higher >> education >> or to repay qualified student loans. Members also receive training, >> career >> connections, marketable skills, and the chance to make a real difference >> in >> people's lives. AmeriCorps is an awesome adventure and a way to gain the >> experience of a lifetime! >> >> Time Commitment: Full-time members complete 1700 hours of service in >> about >> one year, usually starting in August, September, or October. Part-time >> positions >> are also available. >> >> Locations: AmeriCorps opportunities exist in communities across the >> nation, >> including small, medium, and large cities. >> >> Training Opportunities: AmeriCorps members receive significant training >> and >> personal/professional development opportunities. From 10% - 20% of an >> AmeriCorps >> members' hours are spent in training. Members are trained to perform the >> specific service tasks of their position, and may be trained in other >> areas >> such >> as leading groups, coordinating volunteers, time management, and >> preparing >> for a career after AmeriCorps. >> >> Reasonable Accommodations: The people who manage AmeriCorps programs >> receive >> training in how to provide reasonable accommodations to members with >> disabilities, >> and a fund exists to pay for reasonable accommodations if needed. SSI and >> SSDI Benefits - The HEART Act On June 17, 2008, Preside >> nt Bush signed into law >> H.R. 6081, the Heroes Earnings Assistance and Relief Tax Act of 2008 >> ("the >> HEART Act"), making AmeriCorps more accessible to people with >> disabilities. >> >> "They didn't blink when I applied. In fact, they welcomed me with open >> arms. And looking back, this was one of the greatest experiences of my >> life." >> >> -AmeriCorps Member >> >> SSI: Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a federal program that >> provides a >> monthly cash benefit to low-income individuals who are aged, blind, or >> who >> have a disability. In the past, receiving an AmeriCorps living allowance >> could disqualify an individual from eligibility. The new law directs the >> Social >> Security Administration to ignore an individual's receipt of AmeriCorps >> benefits for purposes of SSI eligibility. The AmeriCorps living >> allowance, >> health >> insurance, and child care subsidy are not counted as earned income for >> SSI. >> >> SSDI: Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) is a Federal program >> that >> provides money to individuals with disabilities based on their payments >> into >> the insurance program. There are separate laws and regulations for SSI >> and >> SSDI eligibility and the HEART Act moved through Congress too quickly to >> include >> SSDI. The AmeriCorps living allowance is counted as earned income for >> SSDI. >> We hope that Congress will extend the AmeriCorps exclusion to SSDI in the >> near-future. >> >> >> AmeriCorps and Other Public Assi >> stance Programs >> >> Medical Assistance (MA): Even if they have other health coverage, people >> with disabilities may need MA to cover high prescription drug costs and >> special >> health expenses, such as personal care assistance. Persons on SSI can >> receive MA at no cost. Other people with disabilities may qualify for the >> Medical >> Assistance for Employed Persons with Disabilities (MA-EPD) program, which >> provides MA coverage for a monthly premium, based on income. As long as >> FICA >> taxes are withheld, the AmeriCorps living allowance is counted as earned >> income, thereby allowing AmeriCorps members with disabilities to meet the >> work >> requirement for MA-EPD. >> >> Food Stamps: The AmeriCorps living allowance does not affect eligibility >> for >> Food Stamps. >> >> Other Benefit Programs: Involvement in AmeriCorps may affect eligibility >> for >> other programs. Some subsidized housing programs do not count the living >> allowance, >> but others may count it. >> >> Waiving the Living Allowance: Although AmeriCorps rules allow members to >> waive their living allowance, people with disabilities should use caution >> in >> doing >> so. 2008 AmeriCorps provisions state: "Even if a member waives his or her >> right to receive the living allowance, it is possible - depending on the >> specific >> public assistance program rules - that the amount of the living allowance >> that the member is eligible to receive will be deemed available." >> Moreover, >> it >> may not be necessary to waiv >> e the living allowance if a person qualifies for certain work incentives >> that can be used to reduce the amount of income counted >> by public programs. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4490 (20091008) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net > From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sat Oct 10 02:22:16 2009 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:22:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation Message-ID: Dear list, Does anyone have any advice on seeking Spanish to English translations on line? I am enrolled in a three unit college classin Chicano Literature here in San Diego, California. While most of the texts were written in English or are in translation to English, a couple of the texts have sizeable Spanish passages interspersed within the English text. For example, in the works of Luis Valdez, his acto or short play called Soldado Razo is mostly Spanish, and without knowing the language, you miss most of the characterization and plotline. I was lucky enough to find a bilingual student to translate the short playfor me, but I wonder if there is a way to translate spanish passages into English that is better than the google language tool I have tried on the main page of Google. I have taken a fair amount of Spanish, but it is a bit rusty. Most of the class is bilingual, so I am finding it interesting to experience, even in a minor way, the obstacles faced by many ESL students on a daily basis. Thanks for any thoughts on a translation program or utility, Ginnie From harryhogue at yahoo.com Sat Oct 10 04:33:41 2009 From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue) Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 21:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <639107.60846.qm@web33501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hello, Without going into great complicated detail, the bottom line is this: Dictionaries, online translators, and other translation software packages are used mainly to translate a short word or common phrase and are not designed to translate longer passages of texts such as plays, novels, essays, and the like. No tool exists to meet this need for a very simple reason: the human translator is always superior to a computer for the reason that a human can select the phrasing that works within a given context, a nonstandard but nevertheless appropriate phrasal verb construction in place of a more generalized and widely comprehended single two-partEnglish verb (i.e. to manage vs. to deal with), and, also, the less widely understood but equally important reason--culture. Culture plays a vital role in foreign language text translation, literary interpretation, and sociological context. A very simple example of this may be seen with idiomatic expressions: it's raining cats and dogs, give me a break, take a load off, etc. Each of these expressions will have their own variations in a given foreign language, and this results from the way the people, who collectively form the culture, interpret their environment. The environment, of course, is effected by geography, climate, livestock, varieties of foodstuffs, and so forth. Now. Was that sufficiently far more than you wanted to know? If you've any more questions, please do not hesitate to contact me either on or off list at harryhogue at yahoo.com. Best, Harry Hogue --- On Fri, 10/9/09, V Nork wrote: > From: V Nork > Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish translation > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 9:22 PM > Dear list, Does anyone have any > advice on seeking Spanish to English translations on > line?  I am enrolled in a three unit college classin > Chicano Literature here in San Diego, California.  > While most of the texts were written in English or are in > translation to English, a couple of the texts have  > sizeable Spanish  passages interspersed within the > English  text.  For example, in the works of Luis > Valdez, his acto or short play called Soldado Razo is mostly > Spanish, and without knowing the language, you miss most of > the characterization and plotline. I  was lucky enough > to find a bilingual student to translate the short playfor > me, but I wonder if there is a way to translate spanish > passages into English that is better than the google > language tool I have tried on the main page of Google.  > I have taken a fair amount of Spanish, but it is a bit > rusty.   Most of the class is bilingual, so I > am finding it interesting to experience, even in a minor > way, the obstacles faced by many ESL students on a daily > basis.  Thanks for any thoughts on a translation > program or utility, Ginnie > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/harryhogue%40yahoo.com > From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Sat Oct 10 05:25:08 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:25:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind In-Reply-To: <909F66CD2D724860848ACCDAFF594152@Rufus> References: <909F66CD2D724860848ACCDAFF594152@Rufus> Message-ID: <000f01ca496a$09cf6bf0$1d6e43d0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> I have no idea, but I think it's annoying to. It has no meaning really. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Orozco Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:05 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind Anyone know where the blink nickname came from for blind people? I think it's rather silly. Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Serotek Announcements (by way of David Andrews) Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:47 PM To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] News Release: Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind NEWS RELEASE Media Contact: pr at serotek.com 612.720.1068 Technical Contact : info at serotek.com Serotek Introduces First iPhone Application for the Blind iBlink Radio available in App Store MINNEAPOLIS, Minn - October 9, 2009 - Serotek Corporation, the leading provider of internet and digital information accessibility software and services, introduced a third-party iPhone application today specifically designed for those who are blind or have low vision. Now available in the App Store, the application is called iBlink RadioT and is the first such application to be introduced in the world. iBlink Radio allows people to listen to podcasts, radio stations and reading services produced by and for the blind community. The reading service section of iBlink Radio provides audio versions of newspapers, magazines and periodicals for anyone unable to read the printed page, regardless of disability. Daily newspapers include USA Today, Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. Listeners can also access all known radio stations owned and operated by the blind, and the podcast section offers topics ranging from technology to cooking. "The iPhone is a great platform for doing just about anything, whether it be learning something new or just jamming to some great tunes," said Mike Calvo, CEO, Serotek Corporation, "iBlink Radio represents all that and more; it marks another step toward inclusion for all." While the application offers a convenient way for the blind community to stay connected, the application is available to everyone, blind or sighted. In addition to being of great interest to those who are blind or have partial sight, iBlink Radio is also invaluable resource to family members, friends and professionals serving this community. -more- For additional information, visit http://www.serotek.com/eyeblink . Serotek Corporation Serotek Corporation is a leading technology company that develops software and manufactures accessibility solutions under the System Access brand. Committed to the mission of providing accessibility anywhere, Serotek began with the launch of the first online community specifically designed to meet the needs of people with visual impairment. Since then, Serotek has introduced several powerful, affordable solutions that require minimal training and investment. 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These trademark holders are not affiliated with Accessible Event and do not sponsor or endorse these materials. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4494 (20091009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4494 (20091009) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Sat Oct 10 05:25:08 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:25:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? In-Reply-To: <4acfac42.48c3f10a.76ca.ffff864d@mx.google.com> References: <4acfac42.48c3f10a.76ca.ffff864d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001001ca496a$0a148b40$1e3da1c0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Have you done research into autism? There are wide ranges of this condition just as there are wide ranges of visual impairment. I'd encourage you to do some research: talk to the staff at the center, maybe even talk to your audience and find out what they'd enjoy. After all, as a visually-impaired person I'm sure you'd want someone to know what they were talking about rather than coming with preconceived notions of what visual impairment is. Perhaps engage the audience in performance. Would they find it fun to play instruments? Would colourful costumes for the performers be an asset or distraction? All things worth thinking about. Let us know how it goes, Sarah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Bouchard Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? What sort of band will be performing, and what will you be playing? David -----Original Message----- From: Winy Kwany Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:13 PM To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org; blind-musician at yahoogroups.com; braillem at topica.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? Hi all, All students of the academy where I am studying will do a charity concert to an autistic center. Any ideas what should we do there? I think we can't come there and perform directly since people with autism need some time to respond and give feetback. We should find a way so they can "be with us". They are always with themselves in their own world most of the time. So, any ideas? Input? I look forward to hearing from you soon. Many thanks. Winy. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From winy_kwany at yahoo.com Sat Oct 10 16:07:17 2009 From: winy_kwany at yahoo.com (Winy Kwany) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? In-Reply-To: <001001ca496a$0a148b40$1e3da1c0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <394293.63643.qm@web62407.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hi, Indeed, this is not directly a project that I have to do. This is a project that my juniors is doing for their Music Business class. They ask all students in this academy to participate. I have suggested them to talk to the staff and even to the autistic people what they need. I remind them that people with autism have many range--like people with visually impaired, so we should know things that they need and things that we can't do there. I don't know what I will do there and what I will play since they themselves don't know and don't have clear programs yet. I will let you know the updates. Again, thanks sooooo much for the feetback. This is their project, so they are the ones who have to do research and things related to it. I am only a participant. I have given them my ideas and it's up to them what they want to decide to do. Winy. --- On Sat, 10/10/09, Sarah Jevnikar wrote: > From: Sarah Jevnikar > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, any ideas? > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:25 PM > Have you done research into autism? > There are wide ranges of this condition > just as there are wide ranges of visual impairment. I'd > encourage you to do > some research: talk to the staff at the center, maybe even > talk to your > audience and find out what they'd enjoy. After all, as a > visually-impaired > person I'm sure you'd want someone to know what they were > talking about > rather than coming with preconceived notions of what visual > impairment is. > Perhaps engage the audience in performance. Would they find > it fun to play > instruments? Would colourful costumes for the performers be > an asset or > distraction? All things worth thinking about. > Let us know how it goes, > Sarah > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf > Of David Bouchard > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:33 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic > children, any ideas? > > What sort of band will be performing, and what will you be > playing? > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: Winy Kwany > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:13 PM > To: menvi-discuss at menvi.org; > blind-musician at yahoogroups.com; > braillem at topica.com; > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Charity concert for autistic children, > any ideas? > > Hi all, > All students of the academy where I am studying will do a > charity concert to > an autistic center. Any ideas what should we do there? I > think we can't come > there and perform directly since people with autism need > some time to > respond and give feetback. We should find a way so they can > "be with us". > They are always with themselves in their own world most of > the time. So, any > ideas? Input? > I look forward to hearing from you soon. Many thanks. > Winy. > > >       > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > ronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/winy_kwany%40yahoo.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 16:16:23 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:16:23 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Students Needed for Braille and Technology-Related Research In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85ff10070910100916p5a46eba7u547d043926211016@mail.gmail.com> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Riccobono, Mark" Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:24:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Students Needed for Braille and Technology-Related Research To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Dear Students, Please see the below announcement about an opportunity to participate in some important Braille and technology related research. This research will help provide some important data to the field so we encourage you to participate if you fit the criteria. Let your voice be heard. Thank you, Mark A. Riccobono Executive Director, Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND ------------- [Flyer for Students: Announcement of Study] Seeking Students for Research Study Students who are between the ages of 16 and 22 years who are Braille readers and users of assistive technology are needed for a study. This study will explore how you use both Braille and electronic information for classroom work, and how you learned these literacy practices. The purpose of this research will be to add to our understanding of the current role of both hard-copy (paper) Braille and use of electronic access to information by people who are blind from ages 16-22, and your attitudes and perceptions about both Braille and technology. This information will inform how we prepare pre-service teachers to instruct young Braille readers. If you are interested in participating in this study or getting more information, please contact me via email at fmd at pitt.edu, by calling 412-521-5797, or by writing to me at: Frances Mary D'Andrea 5513 Posvar Hall University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh PA 15260 If you are under 18, you MUST have your parents' or guardians' permission. A consent form will be send to you in braille or electronically after you verify that you are: 1. between the ages of 16-22 2. a student enrolled in school 3. a braille reader 4. a user of electronic assistive technology devices, hardware, or software. If you are under 18, your parents will also receive a consent form that must be signed before you can participate. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your interest! Frances Mary D'Andrea _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From golfereric at comcast.net Sat Oct 10 16:34:08 2009 From: golfereric at comcast.net (golfereric at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:34:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] OZone with TALKS Problem Message-ID: <1250025006.3697901255192448008.JavaMail.root@sz0007a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Hello Everyone I purchased an OZone with TALKS from Verizon Wireless and didn't activate it until yesterday. The TALKS Software worked fine for about 2 and half hours and then the software crashed . Has anyone else encountered this problem with the OZone. By the way I had TALKS preloaded on the phone and TALKS still crashed. I tried calling Verizon about this and waiting for an registration code from Nuance. Any help, opinions, and advice is welcome Thanks, Eric Gaudes From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Oct 10 16:35:01 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:35:01 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! In-Reply-To: <5707087FBF884435B12E5756D98EC20B@userf9b4fa60eb> References: <134383085.1364841254955140127.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <5707087FBF884435B12E5756D98EC20B@userf9b4fa60eb> Message-ID: <85ff10070910100935t4cbd2195m64cc6c887ee34a65@mail.gmail.com> Hi Amy, How come you can't do your editing on the tests using speech as you are used to doing in the past? I think that's the bit of information we're missing. Arielle On 10/10/09, Antonio M. Guimaraes wrote: > Amy, you said > > i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is > different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe for > the class or what should i do? > > How is is different? What is your minor, and what sort of things are you > editing? > > Antonio Guimaraes > > If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup > trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of > highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary > works in Braille. > > Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you. > http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 > Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Sabo" > To: "NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS" > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 6:39 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] need assistance! > > >> hello all, >> >> well, i'm alreaddy having problems with one of my classes at school. i'm >> taking a basic editing class for my minor program and, well it's not going >> >> too well. i didn't do too well on my first test for the class. i'm using a >> >> reader/scribe for the class which is working out fine but, as for doing >> the editing i cannot see it and, i have to do it verbally! >> >> i'm use to doing editing with speech and enlarged text but, this is >> different. so does anyone have any advice besides using a reader/scribe >> for the class or what should i do? >> >> thanks again and i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> from amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From lilrichie411 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 02:53:12 2009 From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:53:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak Message-ID: Hi all, I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either TALKS or MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? Which phones support either of these two? Thx, -- Jordan Richardson lilrichie411 at gmail.com "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. From astrochem119 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 02:58:14 2009 From: astrochem119 at gmail.com (Chelsea Cook) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 22:58:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 Message-ID: <4ad1497a.0d0bca0a.504b.04ae@mx.google.com> Hello, I am a senior in high school enrolled in advanced placement (college-level) courses in Physics and Calculus. The course content is not a problem for me, however, I am having issues with my physics class doing "virtual labs," essentially graphics-based simulations that are not accessible with JAWS. A major portion of the grade calls for these. Currently, I am having a sighted person sit with me through the lab, but I find that method to be inefficient for me to complete the various labs in a timely fashion, particularly since the person is not well-versed in either computers or physics, and my school is reluctant to find someone who is. (I'm currently looking around the community colleges.) I can't seem to complete the labs at home because I have no one willing to sit and describe the interface to me. Another main issue with this course is that it is a distance-learning course: My school system is reluctant (at best) to provide transportation to and from the other high school, so I can't network with my peers as much as I would like to. Any thoughts? Also, concerning the AP. exam in May: Has anyone ever taken an AP. test in a science or math course before on this list? My teachers (vision and academic) and I are concerned about the free response questions, where graphs or drawings are often always required to complete the question. We are not sure how the College Board will accept my answers, given that it is a standardized test. I am a heavy Braille and JAWS user. On the matter of scribes used for copying answers, I am concerned about the margin of error present. Any help would be appreciated, Chelsea Cook, in Newport News, VA PS. Know any good physics or astronomy programs at a university you attend or have seen? Let me know; I'm still looking! "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has been reached through the stars." Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 09:07:14 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 02:07:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <409c235c0910110207n5f157e1dx9453fcfd80fb1a28@mail.gmail.com> hello Jordan, Firsdt of all, to your question regarding what might be the better piece of software for your prospective phone; while I personally use moblespeak on my phone, it generally is a matter of prefference as to what software is better or isn't. You can always go on the respective websites for demos of either mobilespeak or talks. s for what phone would be best; again, I would say it's prefference generally. if you have been with a particular carrier they might have phones that they reccomend. That said, Mostly Nokias tend to be the phones that work with eith software package as their operating system works best with them. They also have both packages available for window's based phones, and I believe you can even get the software for blackbarries (i'm not positive about that though). For the record, I have a Nokia 6650 from AT&T and I use Mobilespeak and I am happy with it. I hope this helps Happy Hunting, Darian On 10/10/09, Jordan Richardson wrote: > Hi all, > > I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either TALKS or > MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. > > Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? > Which phones support either of these two? > > Thx, > > -- > Jordan Richardson > lilrichie411 at gmail.com > "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." > --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > From jbahm at pcdesk.net Sun Oct 11 09:45:15 2009 From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:45:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] new open source Braille translation software for the blind Message-ID: <4AD1A92B.1010001@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi all, Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to reach the students since it's the group of the NFB that I know the largest number of, as well as the computer science people in hopes of eliciting a response from them. I will warn you now that this message is a little long, but I'd appreciate if as many of you as possible read it and provide me with your feedback. Whether or not I attempt this project will be directly influenced by how much feedback I get on the idea. I've been kicking an idea around in my head for a while and I want to know if there would be a large enough group that would find it of use. I'm thinking of possibly writing a completely extensable, flexable, and open source Braille translation package. I know about the nfbtrans software already, and it's a good peace of software, all be it a little dated at this stage of the game. What I'm thinking is a translation package that takes a different aproach. The major features would be as follows. * Modular design, allowing for Braille formats to be easily supported. Grade 1, grade 2, Nemith, and even foreign language Braille should not require complete rewrites of the software. All that need happen for a new format to be supported is for someone to write a module for it. Depending on what my research reveals, I might even be able to provide a generic module that allows for simple one to one print to braille mappings for some of the simpler Braille codes. * Modular design allows for a wide variety of Braille printers to be supported. At first, all that will be supported is to print a document directly to the serial or parallel port, but in the future support for the advanced features found on individual printers will be supported. * Command line interface at first, with the eventual goal of having a fully featured editor with Braille translation such as that which you find in commertial translation packages. * Software is able to be used directly, such as by a student or professional wanting to translate a document into Braille, or as a back end solution, being called by some other program to perform translation. * Licensed under the GPL or similar license. This allows people to use the software, free of charge, as well as to modify it. It is insane that translation software is so expensive. * High quality. Performance, features, etc. should be as good or better than that available in the commertial products. So, here are my questions to you all. 1. Is there still a need for such software, or have devices like the braille note made it something that is no longer strictly necessary? 2. If such software existed, would you use it personally or do you know anyone who would? I'll look forward to hearing back from all of you! - -- Those of you who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who actually do. Joseph C. Lininger, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJK0akrAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqPpgH/2/ds8unDsCFSDNVAyO6s7hl 4ChYqGjD9t6+SheiraCRULCuvEBCJb7avBban1XK1bHHVsNxKSA6BukBunLYMATt hFDrT12HmHRwbgB2LjYTKIqFXLnYB8x0huzbJyy51AiavqFP5o7NbPQkhN7fvBDy UMMyH7VLZzuNyWidnR5rx4Ugxbc5NcnsFq1czkooc3qKEcd0MTg/xu+QAMF2DLyz uv8wxEQYEZx5cEpM6GxjwBEZkjK5ZNukay5YxEzMD93qxnQyHibAdqVa9pMG1pwy 9KfQQ+AeyJOS4vRNf+PzhQ21uHNDxMtztS3Fs+G4+0Xp9nrzVsFUsR0cUCPXVQ4= =nmE8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dandrews at visi.com Sun Oct 11 16:10:28 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:10:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have used both Talks and Mobile Speak, and I found Talks to be more stable, at least on the Nokia N82, but other's mileage may vary. Dave At 09:53 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either TALKS or >MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. > >Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? >Which phones support either of these two? > >Thx, > >-- >Jordan Richardson >lilrichie411 at gmail.com >"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." >--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4496 (20091010) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Oct 11 16:14:47 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:14:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new open source Braille translation software for the blind In-Reply-To: <4AD1A92B.1010001@pcdesk.net> References: <4AD1A92B.1010001@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: There is probably a need/small market for a log cost high-quality translator that runs natively in Windows. However, with the widespread use of note takers and refreshable Braille displays, the need for such software is much less then previously. It is a lot of work -- I was involved with the development of Turbo Braille, and it takes a couple years of use to find all the exceptions. Dave At 04:45 AM 10/11/2009, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA256 > >Hi all, >Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to reach the students since >it's the group of the NFB that I know the largest number of, as well as >the computer science people in hopes of eliciting a response from them. >I will warn you now that this message is a little long, but I'd >appreciate if as many of you as possible read it and provide me with >your feedback. Whether or not I attempt this project will be directly >influenced by how much feedback I get on the idea. > >I've been kicking an idea around in my head for a while and I want to >know if there would be a large enough group that would find it of use. >I'm thinking of possibly writing a completely extensable, flexable, and >open source Braille translation package. I know about the nfbtrans >software already, and it's a good peace of software, all be it a little >dated at this stage of the game. What I'm thinking is a translation >package that takes a different aproach. The major features would be as >follows. > >* Modular design, allowing for Braille formats to be easily supported. >Grade 1, grade 2, Nemith, and even foreign language Braille should not >require complete rewrites of the software. All that need happen for a >new format to be supported is for someone to write a module for it. >Depending on what my research reveals, I might even be able to provide a >generic module that allows for simple one to one print to braille >mappings for some of the simpler Braille codes. > >* Modular design allows for a wide variety of Braille printers to be >supported. At first, all that will be supported is to print a document >directly to the serial or parallel port, but in the future support for >the advanced features found on individual printers will be supported. > >* Command line interface at first, with the eventual goal of having a >fully featured editor with Braille translation such as that which you >find in commertial translation packages. > >* Software is able to be used directly, such as by a student or >professional wanting to translate a document into Braille, or as a back >end solution, being called by some other program to perform translation. > >* Licensed under the GPL or similar license. This allows people to use >the software, free of charge, as well as to modify it. It is insane that >translation software is so expensive. > >* High quality. Performance, features, etc. should be as good or better >than that available in the commertial products. > >So, here are my questions to you all. > >1. Is there still a need for such software, or have devices like the >braille note made it something that is no longer strictly necessary? > >2. If such software existed, would you use it personally or do you know >anyone who would? > >I'll look forward to hearing back from all of you! >- -- >Those of you who think they know everything are very annoying to those >of us who actually do. >Joseph C. Lininger, >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > >iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJK0akrAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqPpgH/2/ds8unDsCFSDNVAyO6s7hl >4ChYqGjD9t6+SheiraCRULCuvEBCJb7avBban1XK1bHHVsNxKSA6BukBunLYMATt >hFDrT12HmHRwbgB2LjYTKIqFXLnYB8x0huzbJyy51AiavqFP5o7NbPQkhN7fvBDy >UMMyH7VLZzuNyWidnR5rx4Ugxbc5NcnsFq1czkooc3qKEcd0MTg/xu+QAMF2DLyz >uv8wxEQYEZx5cEpM6GxjwBEZkjK5ZNukay5YxEzMD93qxnQyHibAdqVa9pMG1pwy >9KfQQ+AeyJOS4vRNf+PzhQ21uHNDxMtztS3Fs+G4+0Xp9nrzVsFUsR0cUCPXVQ4= >=nmE8 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4497 (20091011) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 11 19:25:23 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:25:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak References: Message-ID: Before committing to either application, i would highly suggest that you perform a trial of both applications. This will allow you to have 2 months to make an informed decision. please feel free to give me acall at the number below if you need more specific information, or if you require assistance with obtaining a 30 day trial. Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 347-422-7085 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak >I have used both Talks and Mobile Speak, and I found Talks to be more >stable, at least on the Nokia N82, but other's mileage may vary. > > Dave > > At 09:53 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either TALKS >>or >>MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. >> >>Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? >>Which phones support either of these two? >> >>Thx, >> >>-- >>Jordan Richardson >>lilrichie411 at gmail.com >>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." >>--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>signature database 4496 (20091010) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >>http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 20:44:33 2009 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <423e6e460910111344j152c8070ia2ba5cf3fb82cbb8@mail.gmail.com> Hello listers, I have a phone upgrade coming to me in November and I'm farely certain which phone I will purchase. I have always wanted a blackberry though and I don't know if HumanWare has plans to release Orator before the end of 2009 or if they will ever release it. If someone has any more information I would greatly apprreciate it. Thanks, Domonique On 10/11/09, Dave Wright wrote: > Before committing to either application, i would highly suggest that you > perform a trial of both applications. This will allow you to have 2 months > to make an informed decision. please feel free to give me acall at the > number below if you need more specific information, or if you require > assistance with obtaining a 30 day trial. > > > Best Regards: > Dave Wright > Work Phone: 347-422-7085 > Email: > dwrigh6 at gmail.com > WebPage: > http://www.knfbreader.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak > > >>I have used both Talks and Mobile Speak, and I found Talks to be more >>stable, at least on the Nokia N82, but other's mileage may vary. >> >> Dave >> >> At 09:53 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote: >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either TALKS >>>or >>>MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. >>> >>>Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? >>>Which phones support either of these two? >>> >>>Thx, >>> >>>-- >>>Jordan Richardson >>>lilrichie411 at gmail.com >>>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." >>>--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>signature database 4496 (20091010) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Oct 11 20:53:54 2009 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:53:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak Message-ID: Jordan, The first consideration is which service provider you are with. If you are on a family plan, you will have to narrow your focus to phones that work on that provider. Then, realize that there are some phones that have some accessibility built in and do not require a screen reader. However there are usually gaps in the access with such phones but they may be a free upgrade for you. If you are going to be starting a contract by yourself, then this is less critical. If you start looking at phones with more power that allow you to use a screen reader, the next thing to realize is that TALks does not work on all types of phones. There are some phones that use the Windows Mobile operating system that will not work with TALks as I understand it, for which Mobil Speak is the only option. There are also phones that are not accessible and have no capability of working with an existing screen reader. My understanding is similar to Dave's that TALks is more stable, but there are phones that only work with Mobile Speak, and no doubt there are people who probably find some feature unique to Mobile Speak that is important to them. Therefore, there is a lot of sorting out that one has to do, something I am trying to do myself right now. It is driving me crazy. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:53:12 -0500, Jordan Richardson wrote: >Hi all, >I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either TALKS or >MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. >Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? >Which phones support either of these two? >Thx, >-- >Jordan Richardson >lilrichie411 at gmail.com >"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." >--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 11 21:31:50 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:31:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new open source Braille translation software for the blind Message-ID: <20091011213150.16861.14461@web2.serotek.com> Hello. I don't think a Braille translation software package is out of date at all. For example, I may want a book from NLS web Braille and need to translate it into a text format for use with my laptop and Braille display. Alternatively, it would be nice to be able to translate a text file into a Braille format to send to a transcriber for printing. That sort of thing. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > Hi all, > Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to reach the students since > it's the group of the NFB that I know the largest number of, as well as > the computer science people in hopes of eliciting a response from them. > I will warn you now that this message is a little long, but I'd > appreciate if as many of you as possible read it and provide me with > your feedback. Whether or not I attempt this project will be directly > influenced by how much feedback I get on the idea. > I've been kicking an idea around in my head for a while and I want to > know if there would be a large enough group that would find it of use. > I'm thinking of possibly writing a completely extensable, flexable, and > open source Braille translation package. I know about the nfbtrans > software already, and it's a good peace of software, all be it a little > dated at this stage of the game. What I'm thinking is a translation > package that takes a different aproach. The major features would be as > follows. > * Modular design, allowing for Braille formats to be easily supported. > Grade 1, grade 2, Nemith, and even foreign language Braille should not > require complete rewrites of the software. All that need happen for a > new format to be supported is for someone to write a module for it. > Depending on what my research reveals, I might even be able to provide a > generic module that allows for simple one to one print to braille > mappings for some of the simpler Braille codes. > * Modular design allows for a wide variety of Braille printers to be > supported. At first, all that will be supported is to print a document > directly to the serial or parallel port, but in the future support for > the advanced features found on individual printers will be supported. > * Command line interface at first, with the eventual goal of having a > fully featured editor with Braille translation such as that which you > find in commertial translation packages. > * Software is able to be used directly, such as by a student or > professional wanting to translate a document into Braille, or as a back > end solution, being called by some other program to perform translation. > * Licensed under the GPL or similar license. This allows people to use > the software, free of charge, as well as to modify it. It is insane that > translation software is so expensive. > * High quality. Performance, features, etc. should be as good or better > than that available in the commertial products. > So, here are my questions to you all. > 1. Is there still a need for such software, or have devices like the > braille note made it something that is no longer strictly necessary? > 2. If such software existed, would you use it personally or do you know > anyone who would? > I'll look forward to hearing back from all of you! > - -- > Those of you who think they know everything are very annoying to those > of us who actually do. > Joseph C. Lininger, > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJK0akrAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqPpgH/2/ds8unDsCFSDNVAyO6s7hl > 4ChYqGjD9t6+SheiraCRULCuvEBCJb7avBban1XK1bHHVsNxKSA6BukBunLYMATt > hFDrT12HmHRwbgB2LjYTKIqFXLnYB8x0huzbJyy51AiavqFP5o7NbPQkhN7fvBDy > UMMyH7VLZzuNyWidnR5rx4Ugxbc5NcnsFq1czkooc3qKEcd0MTg/xu+QAMF2DLyz > uv8wxEQYEZx5cEpM6GxjwBEZkjK5ZNukay5YxEzMD93qxnQyHibAdqVa9pMG1pwy > 9KfQQ+AeyJOS4vRNf+PzhQ21uHNDxMtztS3Fs+G4+0Xp9nrzVsFUsR0cUCPXVQ4= > =nmE8 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Oct 11 21:37:49 2009 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:37:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfbcs] new open source Braille translation software for the blind Message-ID: Joe, The fact that I got excited when I saw the subject and then disappointed when I didn't find an announcement of an open source translation package already available probably says it all. While I understand very much the complexity of braille translation and why translators cost so much, it is hard to swallow spending what one spends for a braill printer only to find one usually has to spend another $500 to use it. There are exceptions of course. As a person somewhat familiar with the development and evolution of NFBTRANS, I recognize that we need something more than NFBTRANS offers. Be careful, though, not to under-estimate the difficulty of developing a good translator. You would not believe the number of strange things we had to debug and correct in NFBTRANS over the years. Some problems don't make themselve apparent until someone runs into a particular situation that uncovers the problem. Translating a long document can really give a translator a workout and expose shortcomings in a way that doesn't happen with other software. A translator really has to be solid for people to count on it. If a better program than NFBTRANS becomes available, I would be the first to loudly applaud. This is an old program that has already served people well. Please consider two things. First, I think there are some good possibilities for improving NFBTRANS without re-inventing translation. There is a lot of room for a more complete Windows interface than has been developed with WINTRANS. WINTRANS is an extremely good effort but development has stopped. In addition, I think that the possibility of adding the ability to get formatting from Word documents would add a lot of usefulness to NFBTRANS. These would both be projects that could be manageable without having to start from scratch. NFBTRANS has already been compiled under LINUX and UNIX, so the possibility of adding some interfaces there exists as well. As stated above, NFBTRANS is old code. If you are really up to doing a translator from scratch, please consider looking at the NFBTRANS source code, not as a model, but to see what kinds of problems that have been encountered and solved. Also, look at the NFBTRANS table to get a clear feeling of how many different things have to be considered to do good translation. Maybe you have already done something like this, but I can only say that I am a programmer and was still surprised at all of the different types of rules that had to be developed to do good grade II translation. The fact that you are interested is exciting. Please let us know what you decide to do and if any of us can be of help. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:45:15 -0600, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA256 >Hi all, >Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to reach the students since >it's the group of the NFB that I know the largest number of, as well as >the computer science people in hopes of eliciting a response from them. >I will warn you now that this message is a little long, but I'd >appreciate if as many of you as possible read it and provide me with >your feedback. Whether or not I attempt this project will be directly >influenced by how much feedback I get on the idea. >I've been kicking an idea around in my head for a while and I want to >know if there would be a large enough group that would find it of use. >I'm thinking of possibly writing a completely extensable, flexable, and >open source Braille translation package. I know about the nfbtrans >software already, and it's a good peace of software, all be it a little >dated at this stage of the game. What I'm thinking is a translation >package that takes a different aproach. The major features would be as >follows. >* Modular design, allowing for Braille formats to be easily supported. >Grade 1, grade 2, Nemith, and even foreign language Braille should not >require complete rewrites of the software. All that need happen for a >new format to be supported is for someone to write a module for it. >Depending on what my research reveals, I might even be able to provide a >generic module that allows for simple one to one print to braille >mappings for some of the simpler Braille codes. >* Modular design allows for a wide variety of Braille printers to be >supported. At first, all that will be supported is to print a document >directly to the serial or parallel port, but in the future support for >the advanced features found on individual printers will be supported. >* Command line interface at first, with the eventual goal of having a >fully featured editor with Braille translation such as that which you >find in commertial translation packages. >* Software is able to be used directly, such as by a student or >professional wanting to translate a document into Braille, or as a back >end solution, being called by some other program to perform translation. >* Licensed under the GPL or similar license. This allows people to use >the software, free of charge, as well as to modify it. It is insane that >translation software is so expensive. >* High quality. Performance, features, etc. should be as good or better >than that available in the commertial products. >So, here are my questions to you all. >1. Is there still a need for such software, or have devices like the >braille note made it something that is no longer strictly necessary? >2. If such software existed, would you use it personally or do you know >anyone who would? >I'll look forward to hearing back from all of you! >- -- >Those of you who think they know everything are very annoying to those >of us who actually do. >Joseph C. Lininger, >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJK0akrAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqPpgH/2/ds8unDsCFSDNVAyO6s7hl >4ChYqGjD9t6+SheiraCRULCuvEBCJb7avBban1XK1bHHVsNxKSA6BukBunLYMATt >hFDrT12HmHRwbgB2LjYTKIqFXLnYB8x0huzbJyy51AiavqFP5o7NbPQkhN7fvBDy >UMMyH7VLZzuNyWidnR5rx4Ugxbc5NcnsFq1czkooc3qKEcd0MTg/xu+QAMF2DLyz >uv8wxEQYEZx5cEpM6GxjwBEZkjK5ZNukay5YxEzMD93qxnQyHibAdqVa9pMG1pwy >9KfQQ+AeyJOS4vRNf+PzhQ21uHNDxMtztS3Fs+G4+0Xp9nrzVsFUsR0cUCPXVQ4= >=nmE8 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >nfbcs mailing list >nfbcs at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbcs: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 11 22:17:08 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:17:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak References: <423e6e460910111344j152c8070ia2ba5cf3fb82cbb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: We'll see if this comes to fruition, but supposedly, Humanware is said to be releasing Orator by the end of November. the pricing structure is going to be rather high. Around $600+ for a copy. Hope this helps. Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 347-422-7085 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak > Hello listers, > > I have a phone upgrade coming to me in November and I'm farely > certain which phone I will purchase. I have always wanted a blackberry > though and I don't know if HumanWare has plans to release Orator > before the end of 2009 or if they will ever release it. If someone > has any more information I would greatly apprreciate it. > > Thanks, > Domonique > > On 10/11/09, Dave Wright wrote: >> Before committing to either application, i would highly suggest that you >> perform a trial of both applications. This will allow you to have 2 >> months >> to make an informed decision. please feel free to give me acall at the >> number below if you need more specific information, or if you require >> assistance with obtaining a 30 day trial. >> >> >> Best Regards: >> Dave Wright >> Work Phone: 347-422-7085 >> Email: >> dwrigh6 at gmail.com >> WebPage: >> http://www.knfbreader.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak >> >> >>>I have used both Talks and Mobile Speak, and I found Talks to be more >>>stable, at least on the Nokia N82, but other's mileage may vary. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:53 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote: >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either >>>>TALKS >>>>or >>>>MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. >>>> >>>>Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? >>>>Which phones support either of these two? >>>> >>>>Thx, >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Jordan Richardson >>>>lilrichie411 at gmail.com >>>>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." >>>>--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>>signature database 4496 (20091010) __________ >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From alberto.2500 at gmail.com Sun Oct 11 22:55:12 2009 From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (alberto arreola) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:55:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak In-Reply-To: References: <423e6e460910111344j152c8070ia2ba5cf3fb82cbb8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ad26251.47c1f10a.370f.2f23@mx.google.com> So they have increased their price because the last time I checked they were set on $450. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wright Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak We'll see if this comes to fruition, but supposedly, Humanware is said to be releasing Orator by the end of November. the pricing structure is going to be rather high. Around $600+ for a copy. Hope this helps. Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 347-422-7085 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak > Hello listers, > > I have a phone upgrade coming to me in November and I'm farely > certain which phone I will purchase. I have always wanted a blackberry > though and I don't know if HumanWare has plans to release Orator > before the end of 2009 or if they will ever release it. If someone > has any more information I would greatly apprreciate it. > > Thanks, > Domonique > > On 10/11/09, Dave Wright wrote: >> Before committing to either application, i would highly suggest that you >> perform a trial of both applications. This will allow you to have 2 >> months >> to make an informed decision. please feel free to give me acall at the >> number below if you need more specific information, or if you require >> assistance with obtaining a 30 day trial. >> >> >> Best Regards: >> Dave Wright >> Work Phone: 347-422-7085 >> Email: >> dwrigh6 at gmail.com >> WebPage: >> http://www.knfbreader.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TALKS/Mobile Speak >> >> >>>I have used both Talks and Mobile Speak, and I found Talks to be more >>>stable, at least on the Nokia N82, but other's mileage may vary. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 09:53 PM 10/10/2009, you wrote: >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I am considering getting a new phone and I would like to put either >>>>TALKS >>>>or >>>>MobileSpeak on it. I just have a few ?'s. >>>> >>>>Which software is best TALKS or mobileSpeak? >>>>Which phones support either of these two? >>>> >>>>Thx, >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Jordan Richardson >>>>lilrichie411 at gmail.com >>>>"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." >>>>--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi. com >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>>>signature database 4496 (20091010) __________ >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglo bal.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.c om >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglo bal.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail .com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 11 23:15:58 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:15:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfbcs] new open source Braille translation software for the blind Message-ID: <20091011231558.23831.25290@web2.serotek.com> where can i get NFBTrans? Does it work with Vista? How much does it cost? Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Joe, > The fact that I got excited when I saw the subject and then > disappointed when I didn't find an announcement of an > open source translation package already available probably says it all. > While I understand very much the complexity of > braille translation and why translators cost so much, it is hard to > swallow spending what one spends for a braill printer > only to find one usually has to spend another $500 to use it. There > are exceptions of course. > As a person somewhat familiar with the development and evolution of > NFBTRANS, I recognize that we need something > more than NFBTRANS offers. Be careful, though, not to under-estimate > the difficulty of developing a good translator. > You would not believe the number of strange things we had to debug and > correct in NFBTRANS over the years. Some > problems don't make themselve apparent until someone runs into a > particular situation that uncovers the problem. > Translating a long document can really give a translator a workout and > expose shortcomings in a way that doesn't > happen with other software. A translator really has to be solid for > people to count on it. > If a better program than NFBTRANS becomes available, I would be the > first to loudly applaud. This is an old program > that has already served people well. Please consider two things. > First, I think there are some good possibilities for > improving NFBTRANS without re-inventing translation. There is a lot of > room for a more complete Windows interface > than has been developed with WINTRANS. WINTRANS is an extremely good > effort but development has stopped. In > addition, I think that the possibility of adding the ability to get > formatting from Word documents would add a lot of > usefulness to NFBTRANS. These would both be projects that could be > manageable without having to start from > scratch. NFBTRANS has already been compiled under LINUX and UNIX, so > the possibility of adding some interfaces > there exists as well. > As stated above, NFBTRANS is old code. If you are really up to doing a > translator from scratch, please consider looking > at the NFBTRANS source code, not as a model, but to see what kinds of > problems that have been encountered and > solved. Also, look at the NFBTRANS table to get a clear feeling of how > many different things have to be considered to > do good translation. Maybe you have already done something like this, > but I can only say that I am a programmer and > was still surprised at all of the different types of rules that had to > be developed to do good grade II translation. > The fact that you are interested is exciting. Please let us know what > you decide to do and if any of us can be of help. > Best regards, > Steve Jacobson > On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 03:45:15 -0600, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> Hi all, >> Please forgive the cross-post, but I wanted to reach the students since >> it's the group of the NFB that I know the largest number of, as well as >> the computer science people in hopes of eliciting a response from them. >> I will warn you now that this message is a little long, but I'd >> appreciate if as many of you as possible read it and provide me with >> your feedback. Whether or not I attempt this project will be directly >> influenced by how much feedback I get on the idea. >> I've been kicking an idea around in my head for a while and I want to >> know if there would be a large enough group that would find it of use. >> I'm thinking of possibly writing a completely extensable, flexable, and >> open source Braille translation package. I know about the nfbtrans >> software already, and it's a good peace of software, all be it a little >> dated at this stage of the game. What I'm thinking is a translation >> package that takes a different aproach. The major features would be as >> follows. >> * Modular design, allowing for Braille formats to be easily supported. >> Grade 1, grade 2, Nemith, and even foreign language Braille should not >> require complete rewrites of the software. All that need happen for a >> new format to be supported is for someone to write a module for it. >> Depending on what my research reveals, I might even be able to provide a >> generic module that allows for simple one to one print to braille >> mappings for some of the simpler Braille codes. >> * Modular design allows for a wide variety of Braille printers to be >> supported. At first, all that will be supported is to print a document >> directly to the serial or parallel port, but in the future support for >> the advanced features found on individual printers will be supported. >> * Command line interface at first, with the eventual goal of having a >> fully featured editor with Braille translation such as that which you >> find in commertial translation packages. >> * Software is able to be used directly, such as by a student or >> professional wanting to translate a document into Braille, or as a back >> end solution, being called by some other program to perform translation. >> * Licensed under the GPL or similar license. This allows people to use >> the software, free of charge, as well as to modify it. It is insane that >> translation software is so expensive. >> * High quality. Performance, features, etc. should be as good or better >> than that available in the commertial products. >> So, here are my questions to you all. >> 1. Is there still a need for such software, or have devices like the >> braille note made it something that is no longer strictly necessary? >> 2. If such software existed, would you use it personally or do you know >> anyone who would? >> I'll look forward to hearing back from all of you! >> - -- >> Those of you who think they know everything are very annoying to those >> of us who actually do. >> Joseph C. Lininger, >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJK0akrAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqPpgH/2/ds8unDsCFSDNVAyO6s7hl >> 4ChYqGjD9t6+SheiraCRULCuvEBCJb7avBban1XK1bHHVsNxKSA6BukBunLYMATt >> hFDrT12HmHRwbgB2LjYTKIqFXLnYB8x0huzbJyy51AiavqFP5o7NbPQkhN7fvBDy >> UMMyH7VLZzuNyWidnR5rx4Ugxbc5NcnsFq1czkooc3qKEcd0MTg/xu+QAMF2DLyz >> uv8wxEQYEZx5cEpM6GxjwBEZkjK5ZNukay5YxEzMD93qxnQyHibAdqVa9pMG1pwy >> 9KfQQ+AeyJOS4vRNf+PzhQ21uHNDxMtztS3Fs+G4+0Xp9nrzVsFUsR0cUCPXVQ4= >> =nmE8 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> nfbcs mailing list >> nfbcs at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbcs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbcs: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbcs_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 00:11:02 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 17:11:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Message-ID: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 01:23:49 2009 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:23:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> References: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4383d01d0910111823j6c6a9fe8sfad1ce97dcc39c55@mail.gmail.com> You're not the only one dealing with disability related problems at university. Me too. I have to deal with all this with a disability office that will not let me take tests and a prof that doesn't like me using alternatives to the disability office. So I am always shot down when I tell her I've hired a reader for a test and she says, "No, I'm not comfortable." Yeah, she may be nice, but she has no idea what she is doing. Beth On 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Mon Oct 12 01:44:24 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:44:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center References: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <006c01ca4add$874d0500$0401a8c0@Serene> This is totally insane! The disability office doesn't have a clue what they're doing! Is there anybody from the NFB center you trust, such as one of your former counselors, enough to tell about this? Maybe, they could give you some advice. There's always the law! Maybe, Scott Labarre, who's also on this list, could help you. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah alawami" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:11 PM Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm > 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to > higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to > basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with > them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes > and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from > an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am > just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that > was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 01:51:02 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Message-ID: <905679.24236.qm@web56105.mail.re3.yahoo.com> One ponders how an office like the DRC that should be helping us could possibly be hurting us, generally speaking, that is. Sent from my iPod On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:23 AM, Beth wrote: You're not the only one dealing with disability related problems at university. Me too. I have to deal with all this with a disability office that will not let me take tests and a prof that doesn't like me using alternatives to the disability office. So I am always shot down when I tell her I've hired a reader for a test and she says, "No, I'm not comfortable." Yeah, she may be nice, but she has no idea what she is doing. Beth On 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From anj2 at rice.edu Mon Oct 12 02:03:51 2009 From: anj2 at rice.edu (Alysha Jeans) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:03:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 References: <4ad1497a.0d0bca0a.504b.04ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <790C4B95F7C146DEA9DB3819B198927B@DBWWYTH1> Hi Chelsea, Unfortunately, I think the issues you raise are pretty common, and I haven't found/heard an ideal solution to them yet. I took the AP calculus test with no problems, but I was lucky enough to have a vision teacher who knew Nemeth and who transcribed exactly what I wrote on my braille notes. If you can, try and get a scribe who knows something about math so they're more likely to transcribe your answers accurately. I don't remember having any issues with drawing graphs, but that's not to say that it couldn't happen. I know they replace questions on the braille calc test that would require graphing calculators with ones that don't, so perhaps they give free response questions that don't require lots of graph-drawing as well. Math/science standardized tests are always kind of a mess since you can't usually use the technology you're used to, and having your answers written by a sighted person is far from ideal, but it's still definitely possible to do well. As for the virtual physics labs, it sounds like the community college might be your best bet. I would suggest working with a partner in your class, but it seems you're out of luck since it's distance learning. Way to go for taking the initiative to find a reader outside your school. Your school really should be providing you the assistance you need though, so I would really put pressure on them to get you an aid who knows something about physics/computers. And as to your question about good physics programs, you should look into Rice University in Houston. I'm a senior there now studying electrical engineering, but I've taken tons of physics classes too, and it's a great school. There are lots of opportunities for undergraduates to get involved in research, and Disability Support Services actually gives me all my math/science books and homeworks in braille. Best of luck with your AP classes and college search! Thanks, Alysha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelsea Cook" To: Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 10 > Hello, > I am a senior in high school enrolled in advanced placement > (college-level) courses in Physics and Calculus. The course > content is not a problem for me, however, I am having issues with > my physics class doing "virtual labs," essentially graphics-based > simulations that are not accessible with JAWS. A major portion > of the grade calls for these. Currently, I am having a sighted > person sit with me through the lab, but I find that method to be > inefficient for me to complete the various labs in a timely > fashion, particularly since the person is not well-versed in either > computers or physics, and my school is reluctant to find someone who is. > (I'm currently looking around the community colleges.) I can't seem to > complete the labs at home because I > have no one willing to sit and describe the interface to me. > Another main issue with this course is that it is a > distance-learning course: My school system is reluctant (at best) > to provide transportation to and from the other high school, so I > can't network with my peers as much as I would like to. Any > thoughts? > Also, concerning the AP. exam in May: Has anyone ever taken an > AP. test in a science or math course before on this list? My > teachers (vision and academic) and I are concerned about the free > response questions, where graphs or drawings are often always > required to complete the question. We are not sure how the > College Board will accept my answers, given that it is a > standardized test. I am a heavy Braille and JAWS user. On the > matter of scribes used for copying answers, I am concerned about > the margin of error present. > Any help would be appreciated, > Chelsea Cook, in Newport News, VA > > PS. Know any good physics or astronomy programs at a university you > attend or have seen? Let me know; I'm still looking! > "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the stars > leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has been > reached through the stars." > Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and Atoms > (1928), Lecture 1 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anj2%40rice.edu > From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com Mon Oct 12 02:38:10 2009 From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 22:38:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <4383d01d0910111823j6c6a9fe8sfad1ce97dcc39c55@mail.gmail.com> References: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> <4383d01d0910111823j6c6a9fe8sfad1ce97dcc39c55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E93E895118C4D5DA3F74BB303414846@YOURXBFO0REXEG> Hello Sarah, Beth, and All, Trust me, you two are not the only ones dealing with bad disability services offices. I cannot stand working with my disability resources office on campus, but they will not let me do things my way. I have to give them my books to be scanned when I could do a much better job myself, I have to give them the lists of PDF articles to be scanned as soon as I receive them to be scanned when I could easily do it myself, I have to take tests for statistics in their office because they feel that they have to be the go between with my statistics professor, my statistics assistant whom they hired, and myself. I tell all of my professors at the beginning of every semester that I do not like dealing with disability services and that I would rather deal with them directly, and most of them are all right with the way that I do things. I can completely sympathize with you. Kolby From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 12 02:50:13 2009 From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:50:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center References: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> <4383d01d0910111823j6c6a9fe8sfad1ce97dcc39c55@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003201ca4ae6$b99f0360$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening everyone, I think we all would do well to become familiar with Title 5 of the ADA. Colleges and Universities would do well to do the same. They would discover that disabled students are not obligated to use DSS is they choose not to do so. I have and would continue to tell these outfits which services I feel are appropriate and which aspects of my education I choose to manage on my own. Should that fail I would tell them to "Get out of my life and would seek other remedies for dealing with disability-related issues where my education is concerned. I repeat. I have done exactly that on a few occasions and didn't receive any lip from the DSS, instructors or other college officials. They'll only run our lives if we allow them to do so. Peter Donahue " and would ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center You're not the only one dealing with disability related problems at university. Me too. I have to deal with all this with a disability office that will not let me take tests and a prof that doesn't like me using alternatives to the disability office. So I am always shot down when I tell her I've hired a reader for a test and she says, "No, I'm not comfortable." Yeah, she may be nice, but she has no idea what she is doing. Beth On 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm > 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to > higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to > basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with > them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes > and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from > an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am > just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that > was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Mon Oct 12 04:15:11 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:15:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> References: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000001ca4af2$98086af0$c81940d0$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Hi there, I understand this is upsetting, but I don't think we can help until we know exactly what they are or are not doing. They shrug you aside, spy on you ... what does this mean? Articulating your concerns clearly will make it much easier to talk to authorities at your school. Go as high as you can, being as reasonable but assertive as you can with everyone. Talk to your advisor about your concerns. Be honest. Don't let them downplay your concerns, but listen to where they're coming from as well. Maybe they've had experiences where they've been accused of not helping enough, so now they want to over-compensate? It is unacceptable if they don't hear you out though, so if you're unhappy talk to their boss. From there, go to the registrar, or the Dean of your faculty, heck get in touch with as many people as you can. Just remember to keep your emotions in check as much as possible, explain the situation calmly and without appearing whiney (you didn't but it's still a caution to keep in mind) and don't accept an evasive answer. I hope this helps some, Sarah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah alawami Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:11 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 04:28:35 2009 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <218553.59220.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sarah, First off, start an email discussion with all parties involved. Emails help with a creation and formation of a paper-trail witch can be useful in advocating as well as litigation should that be necessary. Which college/university is this? Feel free to email me off-list for further help at William.odonnell1 at yahoo.com. Also, consider seeking support from public interest groups, any disability advocacy organizations (local independent living centers), and see if your college/university has a disability student organization. I Hope this helps. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > From: Sarah alawami > Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:11 PM > Hello. I've got a disability resource > centre that's treating me like I'm 6. > for example I was using my cane  correctly, my > cane  hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and > now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it > and  wants to higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are > trying to basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help  me and > I've delt   with them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I > was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to > Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home.  I am doing pretty > well in my classes and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about > every mistake I > make.  I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell > them I graduated from an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy > say  have not returned > there calls. I have gotten  no calls from them. I need > your help. I am just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like > quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent > to me but that was > Cced from my services for the  blind counciler to me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 12 07:28:05 2009 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:28:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center References: <4ad2741a.9513f30a.2fb0.3298@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <91BD20E9730F416983FE47CE56FD0243@windows4c0ed96> This sounds like you may have some very poorly trained personnel in your college's disability services office . Most of the time, at my college in San Diego I have mostly had support and encouragement. Nothing is perfect for me here, I wish there were readers available to me since I am not currently funded for them and technology has some limits in allowing me to functionas a college student, but in general I feel the office is trying to help me rather than throw obstacles in my path. For example, currently in my lit class It is pretty much up to me and my professor about where and how I will take exams. I wonder if within your college system there is someone with a perspective closer to yours who could step in and support your concerns about the ways you are being treated. Warmest thoughts, Ginnie, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah alawami" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:11 PM Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm > 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to > higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to > basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with > them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes > and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from > an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am > just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that > was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ginisd%40sbcglobal.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Mon Oct 12 14:07:27 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:07:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center References: <218553.59220.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001101ca4b45$54e83090$0401a8c0@Serene> William, Great point about starting an email discussion with the disability office and others involved! I do the same thing at work when placing my clients into drug rehab programs gets bureaucratic and out of hand. In my situation, I don't email the bureaurcratic parties, but rather, the lawyers, to let them know the latest in the never-ending saga, but you get the idea--document everything! Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Sarah, First off, start an email discussion with all parties involved. Emails help with a creation and formation of a paper-trail witch can be useful in advocating as well as litigation should that be necessary. Which college/university is this? Feel free to email me off-list for further help at William.odonnell1 at yahoo.com. Also, consider seeking support from public interest groups, any disability advocacy organizations (local independent living centers), and see if your college/university has a disability student organization. I Hope this helps. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > From: Sarah alawami > Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:11 PM > Hello. I've got a disability resource > centre that's treating me like I'm 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my > cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and > now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it > and wants to higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are > trying to basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and > I've delt with them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I > was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to > Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty > well in my classes and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about > every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell > them I graduated from an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy > say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need > your help. I am just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like > quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent > to me but that was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From newmanrl at cox.net Mon Oct 12 16:07:00 2009 From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:07:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New THOUGHT PROVOKER #150- Virtual Blindness, Training The Trainers Message-ID: <85F98C7046074629A33E545EF94C5589@D78R0TG1> NABS RE: Virtual Blindness, Training The trainers The new THOUGHT PROVOKER is about providing blindness skill training to the trainers, the sighted professional who is to work with blind people. How about making them learn to function with out their sight, traveling about, eating, reading Braille and all that? Would it make them better in their jobs? If you have not read the PROVOKER, it follows. Recall that I collect responses and post them upon my web site for all the WWW to read and learn from and that URL is- Http://thoughtprovoker.info If you wish to receive THOUGHT PROVOKERS sent directly to you, just write me and ask, at- newmanrl at cox.net THOUGHT PROVOKER 150 Virtual Blindness, Training The trainers The stress lines on the man's face visible beyond where the dark cloth of the sleep-shade covered, told the story of his first travel lesson with the long white cane. Probing, tapping, he strove to interpret the information provided by the cane. "Is this a drop-off --- and this metal thing --- could be the upright for a handrail?" The nearby instructor, cane standing vertical at his side, responded, "What do you think?" "I got it!" The woman's finger read the Braille label on the brightly colored tube in her hand. "F, M --- face moisturizer. Wahoo! I made and read my own label." The woman was one of four sleep-shaded adults working at a round table. In the center of the table, were Braille slates, sticky-backed labels and other materials. In front of each student were bottles, tubes and other personal items. "I'm not getting this as fast as you, Marilyn." Spoke up one of her table mates. "And, you guys, I'm going to need to take my meds, so how else can I tell them apart, until I get Braille?" "What do you think you might do?" A third woman responded. "That is what I think the instructor would say. I know you'll figure out something for today and you'll get your alphabet tomorrow." The only man at the table held a green pair of pants over his lap, tying the finishing knot to a sewing project. "There we go." Finger reading the small plastic tag he had just sewn into the waist band. "G, R --- green. I like these tags. And who would ever think you could thread a needle, blind." Carrying their canes, all 30 sleep-shaded students met at lunch. "Attention please. This is your first meal you will handle being virtually blind. It will be a learning time --- think, experiment, discover and if necessary ask for instruction. When you look back at the end of two weeks, it will be interesting to see the contrast between now and then. So line up, get your own tray, utensils, go through the line, then find your place at table." "Ah--- need to cut this piece smaller." Spoke up the first person at the table of six. "Yeah, cutting takes some concentration, but hey ---" responded a tablemate, "I suppose I struggled with it back when I was five with my vision and got it then, so I'll get it now." A third person said, "I came into this knowing the first part of this training was going to be stressful. But I know it will smooth out." A fourth tablemate volunteered, "Giving up your sight for a full two weeks, from wakeup to lights-out, no peeking, and proving to myself that I can function non-visually, is going to give me some insights that I'd never have without this opportunity." "You know," contributed a fifth tablemate, "I tried talking my rehab agency into requiring new staff go through 3 to 6 months of sleep-shade training like some services for the blind do, but to no avail. And so when I heard of this two-week training for rehab professionals, I jumped on it." "It's the method of training, the structuring of the learning situation and the insistence on self-discovery, making you work and work at it until you make it yours, that is the part I'm soaking up. These instructors are tough on it --- but hey, guess the results will be in the expectations." concluded the sixth. On screen the leader of the workshop spoke to a camera team from a local television station. "We have 30 professionals in the field of blindness participating in this first Virtual Blindness Training in our Train the Trainers series. They are evenly divided between rehabilitation teachers and vocational counselors, all working with adult blind persons in their jobs. The purpose of this training is to provide the student with an experience of virtual blindness, of being newly blind, needing to learn basic survival skills. It is 24-7, for 2 weeks. And I underscore: it is not to experience the reality of what it is to be blind, nor will the blindness skills being learned be fully perfected. However, the participant will come out of here knowing that in his guts, with true conviction, and not just intellectually, that he or she and others can function competently non-visually. Finally, we are using the most effective teaching method for this type of learning, the Structured Discovery Method." Robert Leslie Newman Email- newmanrl at cox.net THOUGHT PROVOKER Website- Http://www.thoughtprovoker.info From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 18:45:45 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:45:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <001101ca4b45$54e83090$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <4ad3795e.9513f30a.2512.67a0@mx.google.com> Oh yeah I keep a log of everything so I'm fine there. I have someone who is helping me so let's hope I don't have to get the attention of the colledge itself. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Serena Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center William, Great point about starting an email discussion with the disability office and others involved! I do the same thing at work when placing my clients into drug rehab programs gets bureaucratic and out of hand. In my situation, I don't email the bureaurcratic parties, but rather, the lawyers, to let them know the latest in the never-ending saga, but you get the idea--document everything! Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Sarah, First off, start an email discussion with all parties involved. Emails help with a creation and formation of a paper-trail witch can be useful in advocating as well as litigation should that be necessary. Which college/university is this? Feel free to email me off-list for further help at William.odonnell1 at yahoo.com. Also, consider seeking support from public interest groups, any disability advocacy organizations (local independent living centers), and see if your college/university has a disability student organization. I Hope this helps. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > From: Sarah alawami > Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:11 PM > Hello. I've got a disability resource > centre that's treating me like I'm 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my > cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and > now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it > and wants to higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are > trying to basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and > I've delt with them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I > was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to > Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty > well in my classes and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about > every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell > them I graduated from an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy > say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need > your help. I am just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like > quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent > to me but that was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40 yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizo n.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 18:45:45 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:45:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <218553.59220.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4ad37960.9513f30a.2512.67a1@mx.google.com> This is at the university of Las Vegas, Nevada. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William ODonnell Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Sarah, First off, start an email discussion with all parties involved. Emails help with a creation and formation of a paper-trail witch can be useful in advocating as well as litigation should that be necessary. Which college/university is this? Feel free to email me off-list for further help at William.odonnell1 at yahoo.com. Also, consider seeking support from public interest groups, any disability advocacy organizations (local independent living centers), and see if your college/university has a disability student organization. I Hope this helps. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > From: Sarah alawami > Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource > center > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:11 PM Hello. I've got a disability > resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. > for example I was using my cane  correctly, my cane  hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because > of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and  wants > to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are > trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help  me > and I've delt   with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me > all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and > expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home.  I > am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me > and giving me hadies about every mistake I make.  I'm sick of it. What > should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center > but it doesn't help. Also thy say  have not returned there calls. I > have gotten  no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at > the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but > that was Cced from my services for the  blind counciler to me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonne > ll1%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 18:45:45 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:45:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <003201ca4ae6$b99f0360$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <4ad37962.9513f30a.2512.67a2@mx.google.com> Actully I do have the right to drop my services and he told me how to do so if I have to. I just feel like telling him where he could shove it. *smiles* -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Good evening everyone, I think we all would do well to become familiar with Title 5 of the ADA. Colleges and Universities would do well to do the same. They would discover that disabled students are not obligated to use DSS is they choose not to do so. I have and would continue to tell these outfits which services I feel are appropriate and which aspects of my education I choose to manage on my own. Should that fail I would tell them to "Get out of my life and would seek other remedies for dealing with disability-related issues where my education is concerned. I repeat. I have done exactly that on a few occasions and didn't receive any lip from the DSS, instructors or other college officials. They'll only run our lives if we allow them to do so. Peter Donahue " and would ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center You're not the only one dealing with disability related problems at university. Me too. I have to deal with all this with a disability office that will not let me take tests and a prof that doesn't like me using alternatives to the disability office. So I am always shot down when I tell her I've hired a reader for a test and she says, "No, I'm not comfortable." Yeah, she may be nice, but she has no idea what she is doing. Beth On 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm > 6. > for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and > reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of > that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to > higher > a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to > basically > run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with > them > before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at > picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely > working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes > and > they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I > make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from > an > nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned > there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am > just > about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. > > I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that > was > Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm ail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcgloba l.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 18:45:45 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:45:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <6E93E895118C4D5DA3F74BB303414846@YOURXBFO0REXEG> Message-ID: <4ad37963.9513f30a.2512.67a3@mx.google.com> Yeah fact one of the profs is having me take a test with her so I don't have to deal with the drc. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kolby Garrison Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:38 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Hello Sarah, Beth, and All, Trust me, you two are not the only ones dealing with bad disability services offices. I cannot stand working with my disability resources office on campus, but they will not let me do things my way. I have to give them my books to be scanned when I could do a much better job myself, I have to give them the lists of PDF articles to be scanned as soon as I receive them to be scanned when I could easily do it myself, I have to take tests for statistics in their office because they feel that they have to be the go between with my statistics professor, my statistics assistant whom they hired, and myself. I tell all of my professors at the beginning of every semester that I do not like dealing with disability services and that I would rather deal with them directly, and most of them are all right with the way that I do things. I can completely sympathize with you. Kolby _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 20:42:23 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Message-ID: <591433.31488.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Perhaps you should drop them, then. Sent from my iPod On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, "Sarah alawami" wrote: Actully I do have the right to drop my services and he told me how to do so if I have to. I just feel like telling him where he could shove it. *smiles* -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Good evening everyone, I think we all would do well to become familiar with Title 5 of the ADA. Colleges and Universities would do well to do the same. They would discover that disabled students are not obligated to use DSS is they choose not to do so. I have and would continue to tell these outfits which services I feel are appropriate and which aspects of my education I choose to manage on my own. Should that fail I would tell them to "Get out of my life and would seek other remedies for dealing with disability-related issues where my education is concerned. I repeat. I have done exactly that on a few occasions and didn't receive any lip from the DSS, instructors or other college officials. They'll only run our lives if we allow them to do so. Peter Donahue " and would ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center You're not the only one dealing with disability related problems at university. Me too. I have to deal with all this with a disability office that will not let me take tests and a prof that doesn't like me using alternatives to the disability office. So I am always shot down when I tell her I've hired a reader for a test and she says, "No, I'm not comfortable." Yeah, she may be nice, but she has no idea what she is doing. Beth On 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcgloba l.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 12 20:44:32 2009 From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob Lambert) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Message-ID: <306942.42426.qm@web56108.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I withdraw my dropping statement, I would say keep fighting and perhaps get the NFB involved. Sent from my iPod On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, "Sarah alawami" wrote: Oh yeah I keep a log of everything so I'm fine there. I have someone who is helping me so let's hope I don't have to get the attention of the colledge itself. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Serena Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center William, Great point about starting an email discussion with the disability office and others involved! I do the same thing at work when placing my clients into drug rehab programs gets bureaucratic and out of hand. In my situation, I don't email the bureaurcratic parties, but rather, the lawyers, to let them know the latest in the never-ending saga, but you get the idea--document everything! Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "William ODonnell" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:28 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Sarah, First off, start an email discussion with all parties involved. Emails help with a creation and formation of a paper-trail witch can be useful in advocating as well as litigation should that be necessary. Which college/university is this? Feel free to email me off-list for further help at William.odonnell1 at yahoo.com. Also, consider seeking support from public interest groups, any disability advocacy organizations (local independent living centers), and see if your college/university has a disability student organization. I Hope this helps. --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: From: Sarah alawami Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:11 PM Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizo n.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yahoo.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Oct 12 20:54:45 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:54:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <4ad3795e.9513f30a.2512.67a0@mx.google.com> References: <001101ca4b45$54e83090$0401a8c0@Serene> <4ad3795e.9513f30a.2512.67a0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <409c235c0910121354t693edfaao1822763758ca5c88@mail.gmail.com> good after noon fellow scholars of the sightless variety, I think it is so very important to have a handle on your rights. I was very lucky to be able to get information, off of my school's website (believe it or not) about services and what they can and cannot do. one thing to remember is that no service can imposean accomidation on you. So, this is to simply say that if your DSO or whatever they call it says they are going to give you extra time on your tests and you don't want that, then you don't need to use it. Fact is they can't make you *smile* as for the point about a paper trail, I think that is a great thing to do. to tell you the truth, I wish I had done that with regards to AmeriCorps. I had applied for a job and was offered interviewsat four different locations for the same position, and yet was not offered one. when Italked to my supervisor, he did tell me that blindness factor into the dicision on my campus, but to what degree, of cource, he could not say. I have a strong feeling about it. but... point is with regards to this topic to know your stuff, because not very many people do come armed. and the ones who do, are the ones that seem to be ready to say "no, that's not happening if I don't want it to" On 10/12/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Oh yeah I keep a log of everything so I'm fine there. I have someone who is > helping me so let's hope I don't have to get the attention of the colledge > itself. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Serena > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 7:07 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > > William, > > Great point about starting an email discussion with the disability office > and others involved! I do the same thing at work when placing my clients > into drug rehab programs gets bureaucratic and out of hand. In my > situation, I don't email the bureaurcratic parties, but rather, the lawyers, > to let them know the latest in the never-ending saga, but you get the > idea--document everything! > > Serena > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William ODonnell" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 12:28 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center > > > Sarah, > First off, start an email discussion with all parties involved. Emails help > > with a creation and formation of a paper-trail witch can be useful in > advocating as well as litigation should that be necessary. Which > college/university is this? Feel free to email me off-list for further help > > at William.odonnell1 at yahoo.com. Also, consider seeking support from public > interest groups, any disability advocacy organizations (local independent > living centers), and see if your college/university has a disability student > > organization. I Hope this helps. > > --- On Sun, 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > >> From: Sarah alawami >> Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 8:11 PM >> Hello. I've got a disability resource >> centre that's treating me like I'm 6. >> for example I was using my cane correctly, my >> cane hit a wall and >> reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and >> now because of >> that my service for the blind councilor found about it >> and wants to higher >> a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are >> trying to basically >> run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and >> I've delt with them >> before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I >> was slow at >> picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to >> Braille with barely >> working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty >> well in my classes and >> they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about >> every mistake I >> make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell >> them I graduated from an >> nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy >> say have not returned >> there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need >> your help. I am just >> about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like >> quitting. >> >> I found out about this through an email that was not sent >> to me but that was >> Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40 > yahoo.com >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizo > n.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From JFreeh at nfb.org Mon Oct 12 23:32:09 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:32:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Largest Newspaper Service for the Blind Now Offers Over 300 Newspapers Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org Largest Newspaper Service for the Blind Now Offers Over 300 Newspapers NFB-NEWSLINE® Offers Blind Individuals More Content Choice Baltimore, Maryland (October 12, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind announced today that NFB-NEWSLINE®, the largest electronic newspaper service in the world for blind and print-disabled Americans, now gives subscribers independent access to over three hundred newspapers and magazines. This free service allows those who cannot read conventional newsprint due to a physical disability to listen to the newspaper over the telephone, on the web, or by download to a digital talking-book player. With the addition of national newsmagazines like Time and interest-specific magazines like Science News to its roster of national and local publications, NFB-NEWSLINE® continues to cater to the increasingly divergent interests of its subscribers. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: “NFB-NEWSLINE® is truly a testament to our belief in the importance of offering print-disabled individuals access to the same vital information that is available to our sighted peers. 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It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From jj at bestmidi.com Tue Oct 13 04:55:49 2009 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:55:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person Message-ID: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique set of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse is true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could improve involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips on ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking from place to place? A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold a conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, if you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group conversation between others which has already started? I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by companies or take place at conventions and other events. Thanks for any help. J.J. From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 05:28:44 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:28:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness Message-ID: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and if you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At the risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual problem. It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do with my dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose my sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. When it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it is still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the room didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean it every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a sudden I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of matter around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I know my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but I feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it did as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be a blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if any. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to recognize patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly does that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. Thanks so much. Andi From valandkayla at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 05:30:11 2009 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:30:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> Message-ID: I'm curious about the same thing--visual communication and how to effectively start a conversation so that the sighted person knows you're speaking to them. I understand moving your head in the direction of which they're speaking helps, but what if you "know" someone is beside you, but you cannot accurately judge hight or anything so you don't know where their eyes are generally located. being a short person, this is difficult. Another thing that interests me is why certain facial expressions mean certain things and why. One guy thought he'd offended me when he asked if i'd like to take a seat. I was far from offended, but i guess something on my face registered offense. it's hard to portray what you want the sighted person to see if you've never seen, or been explained, this. just my thoughts... On 10/12/09, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: > I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique set > of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse is > true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could improve > involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips on > ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and > consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking from > place to place? > A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's > sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold a > conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, if > you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just > start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. > Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. > > Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a > conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to > politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group > conversation between others which has already started? > I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by > companies or take place at conventions and other events. > > Thanks for any help. > > > J.J. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > From corbbo at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 06:05:40 2009 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 02:05:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> Message-ID: <0C4BE24E-2436-404C-93C7-DD5D0F772214@gmail.com> One trick that's worked for me at networking events is to go up to people and say, "Hi, I'm Corbb. What group are you here with?" If I find that it's another student, I don't immediately push myself away. Instead, I say, "Ah me too! Which partner did you find the most interesting?" That way, I not only get information about what other companies might be in the room, but I get a chance to be social and not just "on a mission" to find contacts. As for breaking into conversations, sometimes I'll step back and listen for a moment, and if the conversation is between a few students and a recruiter, say, "My question is similar to that -- " and then ask a question. That brings me into the circle, shows I am engaged, and assures the group that I'm not lost and looking for something in particular. Oh, and if somebody asks where you're heading or whatnot, just say, "I'm just seeing what I can find -- I'm Corbb, by the way, a student at GW hoping to go into economic journalism or consulting." That often is a great way to meet people I wouldn't otherwise have met! Hope that helps! Corbb P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S. coin with full-size Braille on it! On Oct 13, 2009, at 12:55 AM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique set of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse is true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could improve involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips on ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking from place to place? A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold a conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, if you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group conversation between others which has already started? I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by companies or take place at conventions and other events. Thanks for any help. J.J. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 07:05:06 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:05:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rest in peace Sue Ponchillia Message-ID: <4A783A296FE543398789268269AD0159@YOUR314E04A90B> I don't know how many of you on the list knew Sue Ponchillia, but she was a grate leader and simultaneously a grate side kick to Paul. She helped change the way the blind view sports and spread knowledge to the sighted world about blind peoples abilities. She and Paul believed in not letting kids sit out of gym class because they couldn't see, and together they gathered all the information they could on adapting sports and recreational games. They started an annual camp in Michigan to introduce blind kids to sports, and for the returnees farther training to improve. Many blind kids joined sports teams at school because of their efforts including myself. Sue deserves allot of credit for this grate impact on many peoples lives as she put her heart and soul in to sports camp, and even extended it to other states. On top of all she did for the blind community she was a professor at Western Michigan and a loving wife to Paul. She had a heart of gold and a jovial manner that was infectious. She was witty and intelligent. She has been fighting Brest cancer for a few years now and was very brave through it all. She kept up a good attitude and never gave up on her mission or Paul's. With out her the blind and sports would never be what it is to day. She also made a monumental difference in a lot of lives just by being Sue, and she is and will be missed by many. I love you Sue thank you for everything you did for me your legacy lives on. Andi From cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 10:29:51 2009 From: cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com (Ashley) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 05:29:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness In-Reply-To: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> References: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> Message-ID: <4804d1140910130329q5ec247f5vf5cf53e6a98728db@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Well, it feels good to know I'm not as weird as I thought--I also experience something similar to this, though not exactly the same. I tend to get disoriented quite a bit, even in places that I seem to be familiar with. Naturally, it happens more often in places that I am unfamiliar with, however, I have known it to happen in small areas that I should have easily been able to find my way around. I also used to think that this meant i was crazy or something, but I'm kind of starting to realize that it may be a lack of concentration--or at least that's what I thought at one point. Then, I started to find that even during an O and M lesson where I'm concentrating, I still get lost, and think i'm somewhere, when I actually end up somewhere totally different from where I thought I was. I know this isn't the exact same thing as what you're saying, but I am also curious as to how this happens, as it happens to me quite often. I was told once that this type of disorientation is associated to the cause of my blindness, which may be a possibility, though I don't even believe that I have whatever this person said I do. Can't think of the name of it at this point--lebers or something or other, forgive me if I misspelled that. Also, as I'm typing this, something else occurred to me. My family is dislecsic, but I was told that only a sighted person could be. However, I've even noticed that at times I have done things like writing things backwards etc, so wondering about that as well. My problem is, I do know how to recognize patterns, but I'm wondering if my problem may be something else. So there were my thoughts on the matter. On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: > I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and if > you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At the > risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual problem. > It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do with my > dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to > vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose my > sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I > already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. When > it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it is > still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is > different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the room > didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I > mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean it > every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a sudden > I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of matter > around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I know > my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but I > feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation > because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it did > as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in > places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be a > blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if any. I > was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to recognize > patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly does > that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and > directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let me > know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is > something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. > > Thanks so much. > > > Andi > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com > From kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com Tue Oct 13 11:23:04 2009 From: kolbygarrison at triad.rr.com (Kolby Garrison) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:23:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> Message-ID: <36206FFE103C4BD3863271E502FB04DA@YOURXBFO0REXEG> This is something that I am very interested in as well. I have been totally blind since birth, and I literally cannot understand the different facial expressions when people try explaining them to me. I am told that I am very expressive, but I cannot capture facial expressions when I am showing them or produce them on command. When someone is photographing me, they have to make me laugh for me to smile correctly. It is rather frustrating when I am trying to communicate something nonverbally to someone, and the expression that I think I am giving is not what I am actually portraying on my face. As a communication studies major, nonverbal communication is something that I am interested in and especially because nonverbal communication happens so rarely for those of us who are blind. I remember the first day that I had a voice lesson with my vocal professor she asked me to breathe for her. I did, and she asked me who taught me how to breathe. I thought that she was trying to be funny, but she was very serious. I told her that no one had taught me how to correctly breathe, and then she asked me if I had been born blind. When I answered yes, she exclaimed that I knew how to correctly breathe because I had not ever seen someone breathing incorrectly. The way that visual information is communicated is fascinating to me even though I will probably not ever fully understand. Kolby From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 11:50:11 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:50:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> Message-ID: <01ad01ca4bfb$52708220$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Those are some good questions. Yoga is helping me with my spacial awareness. I thaught that might be one way for you to work on that. I have not seen an improvement in that ariea but my yoga instructor has. Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:55 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person > I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique set > of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse > is true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could > improve involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with > any tips on ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you > effectively and consciously avoid other people's personal space when > talking or walking from place to place? > A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's > sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold > a conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, > if you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will > just start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for > something. Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. > > Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a > conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to > politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group > conversation between others which has already started? > I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by > companies or take place at conventions and other events. > > Thanks for any help. > > > J.J. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 12:03:13 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:03:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> <36206FFE103C4BD3863271E502FB04DA@YOURXBFO0REXEG> Message-ID: <01df01ca4bfd$24a431f0$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> That's interesting. I get lost my self and was also blind sinse birth. I remember being on a travel lesson in BISM and I crossed one street thinking it was the one I wanted to but didn't realize it was not the one I wanted until someone told me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kolby Garrison" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person > This is something that I am very interested in as well. I have been > totally > blind since birth, and I literally cannot understand the different facial > expressions when people try explaining them to me. I am told that I am > very > expressive, but I cannot capture facial expressions when I am showing them > or produce them on command. When someone is photographing me, they have to > make me laugh for me to smile correctly. It is rather frustrating when I > am > trying to communicate something nonverbally to someone, and the expression > that I think I am giving is not what I am actually portraying on my face. > As > a communication studies major, nonverbal communication is something that I > am interested in and especially because nonverbal communication happens so > rarely for those of us who are blind. I remember the first day that I had > a > voice lesson with my vocal professor she asked me to breathe for her. I > did, > and she asked me who taught me how to breathe. I thought that she was > trying > to be funny, but she was very serious. I told her that no one had taught > me > how to correctly breathe, and then she asked me if I had been born blind. > When I answered yes, she exclaimed that I knew how to correctly breathe > because I had not ever seen someone breathing incorrectly. The way that > visual information is communicated is fascinating to me even though I will > probably not ever fully understand. > Kolby > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 12:07:56 2009 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:07:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> Message-ID: <048FD503021A437EA5F7D454A84343A3@SonyPC> I also feel as if the not understanding and being able to consciously replicate facial expressions has impacted me on the social seen. You would be amazed at the amount of people that think I don't like them or that I am angry when I don't return a smile, wink, or wave. Is there any behavioral expert's out there that have a system to determine when one of these visual methods of communication is in play and respond to it in kind? Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:30 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person > I'm curious about the same thing--visual communication and how to > effectively start a conversation so that the sighted person knows > you're speaking to them. I understand moving your head in the > direction of which they're speaking helps, but what if you "know" > someone is beside you, but you cannot accurately judge hight or > anything so you don't know where their eyes are generally located. > being a short person, this is difficult. > > Another thing that interests me is why certain facial expressions mean > certain things and why. One guy thought he'd offended me when he > asked if i'd like to take a seat. I was far from offended, but i guess > something on my face registered offense. it's hard to portray what > you want the sighted person to see if you've never seen, or been > explained, this. > > just my thoughts... > > On 10/12/09, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >> I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique >> set >> of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse >> is >> true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could >> improve >> involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips >> on >> ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and >> consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking >> from >> place to place? >> A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's >> sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold >> a >> conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, >> if >> you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just >> start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. >> Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. >> >> Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a >> conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to >> politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group >> conversation between others which has already started? >> I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by >> companies or take place at conventions and other events. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> >> J.J. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 12:36:09 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:36:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> Message-ID: <66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> having lived in many different places i know most of the people very well that i would be talking to. But when people that i dont know are around i wait for them to say something or join in on a group discussion. As for knowing they are there...i cant lie i have touched people in inappropriate places then said sorry i didnt know you were there and kept walking. Later you can ask that when people approach you to announce themselves until you remember their voices. This is a discussion common on this list. -Teal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person > I'm curious about the same thing--visual communication and how to > effectively start a conversation so that the sighted person knows > you're speaking to them. I understand moving your head in the > direction of which they're speaking helps, but what if you "know" > someone is beside you, but you cannot accurately judge hight or > anything so you don't know where their eyes are generally located. > being a short person, this is difficult. > > Another thing that interests me is why certain facial expressions mean > certain things and why. One guy thought he'd offended me when he > asked if i'd like to take a seat. I was far from offended, but i guess > something on my face registered offense. it's hard to portray what > you want the sighted person to see if you've never seen, or been > explained, this. > > just my thoughts... > > On 10/12/09, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >> I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique >> set >> of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse >> is >> true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could >> improve >> involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips >> on >> ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and >> consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking >> from >> place to place? >> A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's >> sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold >> a >> conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, >> if >> you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just >> start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. >> Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. >> >> Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a >> conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to >> politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group >> conversation between others which has already started? >> I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by >> companies or take place at conventions and other events. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> >> >> J.J. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 16:06:00 2009 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:06:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: <66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> <66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> Message-ID: <632092010910130906p7595bf69tcc5aa81e053a86e4@mail.gmail.com> I've often found my self just conscious of the energy people give off, and their gaze upon me. Granted, when someone keeps their gaze on me for quite some time I tend to feel enrvous, but it is enough for me to be able to tell that they are looking at me. Also, the energy in the air can be helpful. Tention or lightness is something I can normally gauge well. This may not determine the exact facial expression someone is using, but it can eliminate some others. I also must be made to laugh when being photographed. I can't just smile on command. At least, not often. Only my friends who know how to make me smile can get me to smile by simply telling me to. I do notice that I don't always portray how I feel with facial expressions. For example, today I was standing on the street corner waiting for a friend of mine and when he walked up to me he said he was sorry he was late and said I looked really mad. I was not mad at all, I was actually enjoying the light rain and the wind on my face and thinking back to my childhood, but I guess I looked mad when he saw me. Or sometimes when I fall into deep concentration my nephew will often say I look sad even though I am not sad at all. Aziza On 10/13/09, Teal Bloodworth wrote: > having lived in many different places i know most of the people very well > that i would be talking to. But when people that i dont know are around i > wait for them to say something or join in on a group discussion. As for > knowing they are there...i cant lie i have touched people in inappropriate > places then said sorry i didnt know you were there and kept walking. Later > you can ask that when people approach you to announce themselves until you > remember their voices. This is a discussion common on this list. > > -Teal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Gibson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person > > >> I'm curious about the same thing--visual communication and how to >> effectively start a conversation so that the sighted person knows >> you're speaking to them. I understand moving your head in the >> direction of which they're speaking helps, but what if you "know" >> someone is beside you, but you cannot accurately judge hight or >> anything so you don't know where their eyes are generally located. >> being a short person, this is difficult. >> >> Another thing that interests me is why certain facial expressions mean >> certain things and why. One guy thought he'd offended me when he >> asked if i'd like to take a seat. I was far from offended, but i guess >> something on my face registered offense. it's hard to portray what >> you want the sighted person to see if you've never seen, or been >> explained, this. >> >> just my thoughts... >> >> On 10/12/09, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >>> I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique >>> set >>> of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse >>> is >>> true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could >>> improve >>> involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips >>> >>> on >>> ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and >>> consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking >>> from >>> place to place? >>> A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's >>> sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold >>> >>> a >>> conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, >>> if >>> you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just >>> start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. >>> Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. >>> >>> Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a >>> conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to >>> politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group >>> conversation between others which has already started? >>> I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by >>> companies or take place at conventions and other events. >>> >>> Thanks for any help. >>> >>> >>> J.J. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com > From cnaylor073 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 16:44:04 2009 From: cnaylor073 at gmail.com (Christina Mitchell) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:44:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] rest in peace Sue Ponchillia In-Reply-To: <4A783A296FE543398789268269AD0159@YOUR314E04A90B> References: <4A783A296FE543398789268269AD0159@YOUR314E04A90B> Message-ID: <54f02f10910130944t390435fdxe7789b01c6511819@mail.gmail.com> I don't know her but I'm sorry to hear that she passed. Sending my condolences to the family. On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: > > I don't know how many of you on the list knew Sue Ponchillia, but she was a > grate leader and simultaneously a grate side kick to Paul. She helped > change the way the blind view sports and spread knowledge to the sighted > world about blind peoples abilities. She and Paul believed in not letting > kids sit out of gym class because they couldn't see, and together they > gathered all the information they could on adapting sports and recreational > games. They started an annual camp in Michigan to introduce blind kids to > sports, and for the returnees farther training to improve. Many blind kids > joined sports teams at school because of their efforts including myself. > Sue deserves allot of credit for this grate impact on many peoples lives as > she put her heart and soul in to sports camp, and even extended it to other > states. > On top of all she did for the blind community she was a professor at > Western Michigan and a loving wife to Paul. She had a heart of gold and a > jovial manner that was infectious. She was witty and intelligent. She has > been fighting Brest cancer for a few years now and was very brave through it > all. She kept up a good attitude and never gave up on her mission or > Paul's. With out her the blind and sports would never be what it is to day. > She also made a monumental difference in a lot of lives just by being Sue, > and she is and will be missed by many. > I love you Sue thank you for everything you did for me your legacy lives on. > > Andi > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnaylor073%40gmail.com > -- Christina From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 16:54:12 2009 From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:54:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: <66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> <66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> Message-ID: <3af83dbb0910130954p70989dcdxb4d41b20f6918775@mail.gmail.com> As far as I know the best way for the blind to understand their surroundings is by using echos, i.e. if you learn what things sound like it is easier to tell what's in the room. A good example is walking in an open space and then as you're walking there is suddenly a wall next to you. If you're using a cane or talking, the sound will be different. As far as facial expressions go, this might be more challenging. My best suggestion would be to practice reacting to different feelings. Most facial expressions are based on how someone feels. I would also ask a sighted friend or family member to work with you on expressing yourself non-verbally. I think that people are always surprised that I am mostly blind because I use hand gestures and other non-verbal communication when I talk to them. I did have the benefit of seeing earlier in life, but I think these kind of things can be learned even if you can't see. I hope this helps somewhat. -- Alena Roberts Blog: http://www.blindgal.com/ From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 17:46:30 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:46:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness References: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> <4804d1140910130329q5ec247f5vf5cf53e6a98728db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <39B4A85981694670AB24DC8E02220AC0@YOUR314E04A90B> Ashley dyslexia is not a visual disorder, though that is a common thought, because it is usually associated with reading and righting only. This is where it is most common I think but I read brail and have the same problem as sighted people with reading and righting so it is not visual. I read very slowly because I have to decode everything in my head as I am reading it. Letters either switch places with in the word, or flip upside down and because it's brail becomes a different letter, so that is annoying. But I also notice it when I type or dial phone numbers. It is not always, as I am a pretty fast typist, and I know the numbers on a phone but once in a while my brain malfunctions or something and I hit the wrong button or key. It is different then a typo, as it isn't necessarily an accident, for example, sometimes even though I know the keyboard well I will hit F instead of J or T instead of V or something like that. It is very frustrating but I have learned to deal with it and have learned little tricks as to how not to make as many mistakes or catch them more quickly so other people don't notice as much. I still hate reading out loud because I sound like I don't know how to read and that is not true, it is just that I don't always have the pattern right and have to decode. Because I don't know what causes my other perceptual problem I am only guessing that it may be dyslexia but like I said I don't know. As I said before it is not constant it is random and the time of temporary confusion last some times for just a second or sometimes for a few minutes it just depends on the, well I don't know what it depends on. I don't know what causes it or if what factors if any make it worse. You can get tested for dyslexia but it is very hard to find a psychologist who uses non visual tests. If your truly interested in finding out if you are or not they are out their you just have to search a little harder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > Hi, > Well, it feels good to know I'm not as weird as I thought--I also > experience something similar to this, though not exactly the same. I > tend to get disoriented quite a bit, even in places that I seem to be > familiar with. Naturally, it happens more often in places that I am > unfamiliar with, however, I have known it to happen in small areas > that I should have easily been able to find my way around. I also used > to think that this meant i was crazy or something, but I'm kind of > starting to realize that it may be a lack of concentration--or at > least that's what I thought at one point. Then, I started to find that > even during an O and M lesson where I'm concentrating, I still get > lost, and think i'm somewhere, when I actually end up somewhere > totally different from where I thought I was. I know this isn't the > exact same thing as what you're saying, but I am also curious as to > how this happens, as it happens to me quite often. I was told once > that this type of disorientation is associated to the cause of my > blindness, which may be a possibility, though I don't even believe > that I have whatever this person said I do. Can't think of the name of > it at this point--lebers or something or other, forgive me if I > misspelled that. > Also, as I'm typing this, something else occurred to me. My family is > dislecsic, but I was told that only a sighted person could be. > However, I've even noticed that at times I have done things like > writing things backwards etc, so wondering about that as well. > My problem is, I do know how to recognize patterns, but I'm wondering > if my problem may be something else. > So there were my thoughts on the matter. > > > On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: >> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >> if >> you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At >> the >> risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual problem. >> It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do with >> my >> dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to >> vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose >> my >> sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I >> already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. >> When >> it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it >> is >> still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is >> different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the >> room >> didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I >> mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean >> it >> every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a >> sudden >> I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of >> matter >> around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I >> know >> my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but >> I >> feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation >> because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it >> did >> as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in >> places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be a >> blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if any. >> I >> was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to >> recognize >> patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly >> does >> that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and >> directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let >> me >> know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is >> something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. >> >> Thanks so much. >> >> >> Andi >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > From jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 18:34:13 2009 From: jessica.trask.reagan at gmail.com (Jess) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:34:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness In-Reply-To: <39B4A85981694670AB24DC8E02220AC0@YOUR314E04A90B> References: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B><4804d1140910130329q5ec247f5vf5cf53e6a98728db@mail.gmail.com> <39B4A85981694670AB24DC8E02220AC0@YOUR314E04A90B> Message-ID: <48DA111B17BB4000BE6D9FABC42C751C@Jessica> Ashley and all, It is quite possible for a totally blind person to have dyslexia. My fianc�e's mom believes he has Dyslexia. In a totally blind person it would be known a Auditory Dyslexia since they can't necessarily see in the traditional way. Jessica ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrianne Dempsey" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > Ashley dyslexia is not a visual disorder, though that is a common thought, > because it is usually associated with reading and righting only. This is > where it is most common I think but I read brail and have the same problem > as sighted people with reading and righting so it is not visual. I read > very slowly because I have to decode everything in my head as I am reading > it. Letters either switch places with in the word, or flip upside down > and because it's brail becomes a different letter, so that is annoying. > But I also notice it when I type or dial phone numbers. It is not always, > as I am a pretty fast typist, and I know the numbers on a phone but once > in a while my brain malfunctions or something and I hit the wrong button > or key. It is different then a typo, as it isn't necessarily an accident, > for example, sometimes even though I know the keyboard well I will hit F > instead of J or T instead of V or something like that. It is very > frustrating but I have learned to deal with it and have learned little > tricks as to how not to make as many mistakes or catch them more quickly > so other people don't notice as much. I still hate reading out loud > because I sound like I don't know how to read and that is not true, it is > just that I don't always have the pattern right and have to decode. > Because I don't know what causes my other perceptual problem I am only > guessing that it may be dyslexia but like I said I don't know. As I said > before it is not constant it is random and the time of temporary confusion > last some times for just a second or sometimes for a few minutes it just > depends on the, well I don't know what it depends on. I don't know what > causes it or if what factors if any make it worse. You can get tested for > dyslexia but it is very hard to find a psychologist who uses non visual > tests. If your truly interested in finding out if you are or not they are > out their you just have to search a little harder. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > > >> Hi, >> Well, it feels good to know I'm not as weird as I thought--I also >> experience something similar to this, though not exactly the same. I >> tend to get disoriented quite a bit, even in places that I seem to be >> familiar with. Naturally, it happens more often in places that I am >> unfamiliar with, however, I have known it to happen in small areas >> that I should have easily been able to find my way around. I also used >> to think that this meant i was crazy or something, but I'm kind of >> starting to realize that it may be a lack of concentration--or at >> least that's what I thought at one point. Then, I started to find that >> even during an O and M lesson where I'm concentrating, I still get >> lost, and think i'm somewhere, when I actually end up somewhere >> totally different from where I thought I was. I know this isn't the >> exact same thing as what you're saying, but I am also curious as to >> how this happens, as it happens to me quite often. I was told once >> that this type of disorientation is associated to the cause of my >> blindness, which may be a possibility, though I don't even believe >> that I have whatever this person said I do. Can't think of the name of >> it at this point--lebers or something or other, forgive me if I >> misspelled that. >> Also, as I'm typing this, something else occurred to me. My family is >> dislecsic, but I was told that only a sighted person could be. >> However, I've even noticed that at times I have done things like >> writing things backwards etc, so wondering about that as well. >> My problem is, I do know how to recognize patterns, but I'm wondering >> if my problem may be something else. >> So there were my thoughts on the matter. >> >> >> On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: >>> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >>> if >>> you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At >>> the >>> risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual >>> problem. >>> It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do >>> with my >>> dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to >>> vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose >>> my >>> sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I >>> already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. >>> When >>> it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it >>> is >>> still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is >>> different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the >>> room >>> didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. >>> I >>> mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean >>> it >>> every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a >>> sudden >>> I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of >>> matter >>> around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I >>> know >>> my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, >>> but I >>> feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation >>> because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it >>> did >>> as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in >>> places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be >>> a >>> blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if >>> any. I >>> was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to >>> recognize >>> patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly >>> does >>> that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and >>> directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let >>> me >>> know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is >>> something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> >>> >>> Andi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jessica.trask.reagan%40gmail.com From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 20:05:21 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:05:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage><66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> <632092010910130906p7595bf69tcc5aa81e053a86e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It is interesting when you talk about the energy in the room. I too find that helpful in gauging facial expressions and also where people are and sometimes even postures or stances. I feel the energy a person gives off and that allows me to have correct proximity in speaking to them or standing in line or what ever the case. I also found if I hone in on the persons specific energy I can usually tell what facial expression they have or at least close enough to know how to react. Also content of conversation helps and if you know the persons personality that also helps. Generally though I can sense what is going on in the room or with an individual by reading the energy. However it isn't always accurate their are lots of variables, and many people are not in tune to the vibrations of energy so I am wondering how they would either get in tune to energies or what they would do instead. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aziza C" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person > I've often found my self just conscious of the energy people give off, > and their gaze upon me. Granted, when someone keeps their gaze on me > for quite some time I tend to feel enrvous, but it is enough for me to > be able to tell that they are looking at me. Also, the energy in the > air can be helpful. Tention or lightness is something I can normally > gauge well. This may not determine the exact facial expression someone > is using, but it can eliminate some others. > > I also must be made to laugh when being photographed. I can't just > smile on command. At least, not often. Only my friends who know how to > make me smile can get me to smile by simply telling me to. > > I do notice that I don't always portray how I feel with facial > expressions. For example, today I was standing on the street corner > waiting for a friend of mine and when he walked up to me he said he > was sorry he was late and said I looked really mad. I was not mad at > all, I was actually enjoying the light rain and the wind on my face > and thinking back to my childhood, but I guess I looked mad when he > saw me. Or sometimes when I fall into deep concentration my nephew > will often say I look sad even though I am not sad at all. > > Aziza > > On 10/13/09, Teal Bloodworth wrote: >> having lived in many different places i know most of the people very well >> that i would be talking to. But when people that i dont know are around i >> wait for them to say something or join in on a group discussion. As for >> knowing they are there...i cant lie i have touched people in >> inappropriate >> places then said sorry i didnt know you were there and kept walking. >> Later >> you can ask that when people approach you to announce themselves until >> you >> remember their voices. This is a discussion common on this list. >> >> -Teal >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Valerie Gibson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person >> >> >>> I'm curious about the same thing--visual communication and how to >>> effectively start a conversation so that the sighted person knows >>> you're speaking to them. I understand moving your head in the >>> direction of which they're speaking helps, but what if you "know" >>> someone is beside you, but you cannot accurately judge hight or >>> anything so you don't know where their eyes are generally located. >>> being a short person, this is difficult. >>> >>> Another thing that interests me is why certain facial expressions mean >>> certain things and why. One guy thought he'd offended me when he >>> asked if i'd like to take a seat. I was far from offended, but i guess >>> something on my face registered offense. it's hard to portray what >>> you want the sighted person to see if you've never seen, or been >>> explained, this. >>> >>> just my thoughts... >>> >>> On 10/12/09, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >>>> I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique >>>> set >>>> of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the >>>> converse >>>> is >>>> true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could >>>> improve >>>> involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any >>>> tips >>>> >>>> on >>>> ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively >>>> and >>>> consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking >>>> from >>>> place to place? >>>> A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's >>>> sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and >>>> hold >>>> >>>> a >>>> conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, >>>> if >>>> you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will >>>> just >>>> start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for >>>> something. >>>> Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. >>>> >>>> Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a >>>> conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to >>>> politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group >>>> conversation between others which has already started? >>>> I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by >>>> companies or take place at conventions and other events. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help. >>>> >>>> >>>> J.J. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daydreamingncolor%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > From fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 20:17:13 2009 From: fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com (Franandah Damstra) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:17:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person In-Reply-To: <3af83dbb0910130954p70989dcdxb4d41b20f6918775@mail.gmail.com> References: <7D5BD3B3CCEF49B8A012015CE5D6DB16@jage> <66BE8C98883742A9946F3DBF263F96F9@teal6e6857f643> <3af83dbb0910130954p70989dcdxb4d41b20f6918775@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: As being almost totally blind myself, non verbal communication has always been a struggle. I too, have been told I look a way that I don't feel or they ask me if something is wrong when I'm just thinking. It's hard for a Blind person to express themselves with facial expressions, when we can't see them for ourselves. I, however, also enjoy acting. Therefore, I had to learn facial expressions. I can't say I'm an expert. I do make my fair share of mistakes, but I'm getting the hang of it. Just this year I learned hand gestures and I can talk more expressively. The main thing to facial expressions is your emotions. If your sad, your face will reflect it. If your happy, your face will mimic your feelings. When I really want to express myself, I usually just let my feelings take over. In this way, I can put on a genuine facial expression that mimics how I am feeling. When I act, I can't just act something. I have to really feel the emotions myself so I can portray that emotion correctly. ~Franandah On 10/13/09, alena roberts wrote: > As far as I know the best way for the blind to understand their > surroundings is by using echos, i.e. if you learn what things sound > like it is easier to tell what's in the room. A good example is > walking in an open space and then as you're walking there is suddenly > a wall next to you. If you're using a cane or talking, the sound will > be different. As far as facial expressions go, this might be more > challenging. My best suggestion would be to practice reacting to > different feelings. Most facial expressions are based on how someone > feels. I would also ask a sighted friend or family member to work with > you on expressing yourself non-verbally. I think that people are > always surprised that I am mostly blind because I use hand gestures > and other non-verbal communication when I talk to them. I did have the > benefit of seeing earlier in life, but I think these kind of things > can be learned even if you can't see. I hope this helps somewhat. > > -- > Alena Roberts > Blog: http://www.blindgal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/fantasyfanatic01%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Oct 13 20:41:10 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:41:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness References: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> <4804d1140910130329q5ec247f5vf5cf53e6a98728db@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c701ca4c45$7f9cfe50$0401a8c0@Serene> I stink at orientation, too! I'm not dyslexic neither is anyone in my family, although Mom also stinks with directions. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > Hi, > Well, it feels good to know I'm not as weird as I thought--I also > experience something similar to this, though not exactly the same. I > tend to get disoriented quite a bit, even in places that I seem to be > familiar with. Naturally, it happens more often in places that I am > unfamiliar with, however, I have known it to happen in small areas > that I should have easily been able to find my way around. I also used > to think that this meant i was crazy or something, but I'm kind of > starting to realize that it may be a lack of concentration--or at > least that's what I thought at one point. Then, I started to find that > even during an O and M lesson where I'm concentrating, I still get > lost, and think i'm somewhere, when I actually end up somewhere > totally different from where I thought I was. I know this isn't the > exact same thing as what you're saying, but I am also curious as to > how this happens, as it happens to me quite often. I was told once > that this type of disorientation is associated to the cause of my > blindness, which may be a possibility, though I don't even believe > that I have whatever this person said I do. Can't think of the name of > it at this point--lebers or something or other, forgive me if I > misspelled that. > Also, as I'm typing this, something else occurred to me. My family is > dislecsic, but I was told that only a sighted person could be. > However, I've even noticed that at times I have done things like > writing things backwards etc, so wondering about that as well. > My problem is, I do know how to recognize patterns, but I'm wondering > if my problem may be something else. > So there were my thoughts on the matter. > > > On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: >> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >> if >> you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At >> the >> risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual problem. >> It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do with >> my >> dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to >> vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose >> my >> sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I >> already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. >> When >> it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it >> is >> still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is >> different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the >> room >> didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I >> mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean >> it >> every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a >> sudden >> I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of >> matter >> around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I >> know >> my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but >> I >> feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation >> because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it >> did >> as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in >> places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be a >> blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if any. >> I >> was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to >> recognize >> patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly >> does >> that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and >> directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let >> me >> know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is >> something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. >> >> Thanks so much. >> >> >> Andi >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From alberto.2500 at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 22:20:31 2009 From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (alberto arreola) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:20:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness In-Reply-To: <39B4A85981694670AB24DC8E02220AC0@YOUR314E04A90B> References: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> <4804d1140910130329q5ec247f5vf5cf53e6a98728db@mail.gmail.com> <39B4A85981694670AB24DC8E02220AC0@YOUR314E04A90B> Message-ID: <4ad4fd33.02a1660a.1105.33ee@mx.google.com> When letters flip upside down for you is it in your mind as well, or as you are reading them with your fingers? This is interesting to me because I've heard how it is for sighted people, but I've never heard about a blind person with dyslexia. I'm just trying to visualize how this is. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Adrianne Dempsey Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:46 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness Ashley dyslexia is not a visual disorder, though that is a common thought, because it is usually associated with reading and righting only. This is where it is most common I think but I read brail and have the same problem as sighted people with reading and righting so it is not visual. I read very slowly because I have to decode everything in my head as I am reading it. Letters either switch places with in the word, or flip upside down and because it's brail becomes a different letter, so that is annoying. But I also notice it when I type or dial phone numbers. It is not always, as I am a pretty fast typist, and I know the numbers on a phone but once in a while my brain malfunctions or something and I hit the wrong button or key. It is different then a typo, as it isn't necessarily an accident, for example, sometimes even though I know the keyboard well I will hit F instead of J or T instead of V or something like that. It is very frustrating but I have learned to deal with it and have learned little tricks as to how not to make as many mistakes or catch them more quickly so other people don't notice as much. I still hate reading out loud because I sound like I don't know how to read and that is not true, it is just that I don't always have the pattern right and have to decode. Because I don't know what causes my other perceptual problem I am only guessing that it may be dyslexia but like I said I don't know. As I said before it is not constant it is random and the time of temporary confusion last some times for just a second or sometimes for a few minutes it just depends on the, well I don't know what it depends on. I don't know what causes it or if what factors if any make it worse. You can get tested for dyslexia but it is very hard to find a psychologist who uses non visual tests. If your truly interested in finding out if you are or not they are out their you just have to search a little harder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > Hi, > Well, it feels good to know I'm not as weird as I thought--I also > experience something similar to this, though not exactly the same. I > tend to get disoriented quite a bit, even in places that I seem to be > familiar with. Naturally, it happens more often in places that I am > unfamiliar with, however, I have known it to happen in small areas > that I should have easily been able to find my way around. I also used > to think that this meant i was crazy or something, but I'm kind of > starting to realize that it may be a lack of concentration--or at > least that's what I thought at one point. Then, I started to find that > even during an O and M lesson where I'm concentrating, I still get > lost, and think i'm somewhere, when I actually end up somewhere > totally different from where I thought I was. I know this isn't the > exact same thing as what you're saying, but I am also curious as to > how this happens, as it happens to me quite often. I was told once > that this type of disorientation is associated to the cause of my > blindness, which may be a possibility, though I don't even believe > that I have whatever this person said I do. Can't think of the name of > it at this point--lebers or something or other, forgive me if I > misspelled that. > Also, as I'm typing this, something else occurred to me. My family is > dislecsic, but I was told that only a sighted person could be. > However, I've even noticed that at times I have done things like > writing things backwards etc, so wondering about that as well. > My problem is, I do know how to recognize patterns, but I'm wondering > if my problem may be something else. > So there were my thoughts on the matter. > > > On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: >> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >> if >> you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At >> the >> risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual problem. >> It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do with >> my >> dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to >> vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose >> my >> sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I >> already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. >> When >> it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it >> is >> still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is >> different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the >> room >> didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I >> mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean >> it >> every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a >> sudden >> I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of >> matter >> around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I >> know >> my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but >> I >> feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation >> because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it >> did >> as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in >> places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be a >> blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if any. >> I >> was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to >> recognize >> patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly >> does >> that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and >> directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let >> me >> know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is >> something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. >> >> Thanks so much. >> >> >> Andi >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gm ail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40g mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail .com From jaedpo96 at aol.com Tue Oct 13 22:30:15 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:30:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] spanish on the braille note Message-ID: <8CC1A6BDEA7490F-2A8C-CC45@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> Hi everybody. I just got my braille note updated to version 8. I changed the language to spanish. I also changed the computer braille table to spanish. I changed it to 8 dot computer braille instead of 6 dot computer braille. I tried to type something in spanish and it didn't take the accent signs. It also didn't take some of the punctuation signs. Can you tell me how you do the accent signs? And if I set everything the right way. My vision teacher told me how to set it, but she doesn't know a whole lot about the spanish program on the braille note. She has had a student that had a braille note that took Frinch, and it worked well for her. From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue Oct 13 22:47:12 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:47:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] spanish on the braille note In-Reply-To: <8CC1A6BDEA7490F-2A8C-CC45@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2245F7C484AE4859B3C557931F274A72@Rufus> Try using Backspace + Dot 4 for the accent. Alternatively, try U chord + dot 4. As far as the other punctuation marks, what happens when you try to enter these? Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Polansky Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:30 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com Subject: [nabs-l] spanish on the braille note Hi everybody. I just got my braille note updated to version 8. I changed the language to spanish. I also changed the computer braille table to spanish. I changed it to 8 dot computer braille instead of 6 dot computer braille. I tried to type something in spanish and it didn't take the accent signs. It also didn't take some of the punctuation signs. Can you tell me how you do the accent signs? And if I set everything the right way. My vision teacher told me how to set it, but she doesn't know a whole lot about the spanish program on the braille note. She has had a student that had a braille note that took Frinch, and it worked well for her. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4504 (20091013) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4504 (20091013) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Oct 13 23:58:35 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:58:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] spanish on the braille note References: <8CC1A6BDEA7490F-2A8C-CC45@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <004f01ca4c61$137c4390$0401a8c0@Serene> When I took Spanish in high school and college, I used 6-dot computer Braille for Spanish (that's how it comes up automatically when you create a file in Spanish), but didn't mess around with the computer Braille table. The accent signs worked well for me. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Polansky" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: [nabs-l] spanish on the braille note > Hi everybody. I just got my braille note updated to version 8. I changed > the language to spanish. I also changed the computer braille table to > spanish. I changed it to 8 dot computer braille instead of 6 dot computer > braille. I tried to type something in spanish and it didn't take the > accent signs. It also didn't take some of the punctuation signs. Can you > tell me how you do the accent signs? And if I set everything the right > way. My vision teacher told me how to set it, but she doesn't know a whole > lot about the spanish program on the braille note. She has had a student > that had a braille note that took Frinch, and it worked well for her. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 02:31:29 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:31:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center In-Reply-To: <591433.31488.qm@web56101.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0FF995A699EA4395B14F72DAD6CF416A@sarahcomp> I cold but I do need there testing services except for the music, I'm tryign to work that out now. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 1:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Perhaps you should drop them, then. Sent from my iPod On Oct 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, "Sarah alawami" wrote: Actully I do have the right to drop my services and he told me how to do so if I have to. I just feel like telling him where he could shove it. *smiles* -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center Good evening everyone, I think we all would do well to become familiar with Title 5 of the ADA. Colleges and Universities would do well to do the same. They would discover that disabled students are not obligated to use DSS is they choose not to do so. I have and would continue to tell these outfits which services I feel are appropriate and which aspects of my education I choose to manage on my own. Should that fail I would tell them to "Get out of my life and would seek other remedies for dealing with disability-related issues where my education is concerned. I repeat. I have done exactly that on a few occasions and didn't receive any lip from the DSS, instructors or other college officials. They'll only run our lives if we allow them to do so. Peter Donahue " and would ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A problem with a university disability resource center You're not the only one dealing with disability related problems at university. Me too. I have to deal with all this with a disability office that will not let me take tests and a prof that doesn't like me using alternatives to the disability office. So I am always shot down when I tell her I've hired a reader for a test and she says, "No, I'm not comfortable." Yeah, she may be nice, but she has no idea what she is doing. Beth On 10/11/09, Sarah alawami wrote: Hello. I've got a disability resource centre that's treating me like I'm 6. for example I was using my cane correctly, my cane hit a wall and reoriented and found the door to get out of the office and now because of that my service for the blind councilor found about it and wants to higher a mobility specialist. I said no to that. Also, they are trying to basically run my life. I've suggested ways they can help me and I've delt with them before. They shrug me aside and ignore me all together. I was slow at picking up m music that they scanned and expect me to Braille with barely working equipment I have at home. I am doing pretty well in my classes and they are I feel spying on me and giving me hadies about every mistake I make. I'm sick of it. What should I do. I did tell them I graduated from an nfb run blind center but it doesn't help. Also thy say have not returned there calls. I have gotten no calls from them. I need your help. I am just about at the end of my rope with them. I feel like quitting. I found out about this through an email that was not sent to me but that was Cced from my services for the blind counciler to me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcgloba l.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rmlambert1987%40yaho o.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Oct 14 02:51:01 2009 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] rest in peace Sue Ponchillia In-Reply-To: <4A783A296FE543398789268269AD0159@YOUR314E04A90B> Message-ID: <1993188451.3547821255488661640.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello there, this is such sad news about sue. i didn't know that she was battling with breast cancer. i had lost touch of her and paul when i left michigan in the summer of 2003. this is so sad and my thoughts and prayers are with her family at this sorrow time. thanks for letting me know of this and i will talk to you soon! hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrianne Dempsey To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:05:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] rest in peace Sue Ponchillia I don't know how many of you on the list knew Sue Ponchillia, but she was a grate leader and simultaneously a grate side kick to Paul. She helped change the way the blind view sports and spread knowledge to the sighted world about blind peoples abilities. She and Paul believed in not letting kids sit out of gym class because they couldn't see, and together they gathered all the information they could on adapting sports and recreational games. They started an annual camp in Michigan to introduce blind kids to sports, and for the returnees farther training to improve. Many blind kids joined sports teams at school because of their efforts including myself. Sue deserves allot of credit for this grate impact on many peoples lives as she put her heart and soul in to sports camp, and even extended it to other states. On top of all she did for the blind community she was a professor at Western Michigan and a loving wife to Paul. She had a heart of gold and a jovial manner that was infectious. She was witty and intelligent. She has been fighting Brest cancer for a few years now and was very brave through it all. She kept up a good attitude and never gave up on her mission or Paul's. With out her the blind and sports would never be what it is to day. She also made a monumental difference in a lot of lives just by being Sue, and she is and will be missed by many. I love you Sue thank you for everything you did for me your legacy lives on. Andi _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From condav8950 at att.net Wed Oct 14 02:54:15 2009 From: condav8950 at att.net (Connie J. Davis) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:54:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Possible New List Message-ID: I don't know how many of you saw ABC's 20/20 a couple Friday nights ago, about albinism. The situation is Tanzania is very tragic and made me glad I live in the United States. It also made me think that we need to do more to raise public awareness about albinism. To that end I would like to see if there is enough interest among NFB members, who are albino, to start our list-serv. If you are interested, please e-mail me at condav8950 at att.net. Please let me know by Monday, October 11. I will let David Andrews know. Of course, anyone is welcome who has an interest in discussing albinism, raising public awareness and educating people. Who knows where this might lead? Thanks. Connie From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Oct 14 03:04:04 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:04:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person Message-ID: <20091014030404.7360.88637@web3.serotek.com> J.J., First of all, I want to say that, as I see it, you do just fine. I know I've only seen you at Federation functions, but it seems to me that you have little to worry about in terms of spacial awkwardness or awkwardness in general. Even so, I do feel it useful to comment on your post since I think it brings up an interesting issue that has nothing to do with spacial awareness and everything to do with howothers see us and how we see ourselves. Dr. Jernigan once said that we accept the public image of ourselves as blind people and do much to make that public image a reality. it's amazing how true this is. You'd actually be remarkably surprised at how few differences there really are between people with some and no vision. Many low vision people I know (including myself) have the same questions about how to handle conferences with ccrowds, especially since we blind people are seldom allowed to simply wander aimlessly as the sighted do. Getting back to your question about spacial awareness. From your post, it sounds to me that you're proposing a significant difference between how those with some vision and those with no vision navigate and handle space. First of all, it's important to understand that spacial awareness, contrary to popular belief, has nothing to do with visual perception except to say that vision is one way to cue and activate spacial abilities. Sound cues are another, tactile and other clues are still others. We blind often absorb eht false notion that we're handicapped spacially since that's why we grow up believing from blindness professionals who almost always happen to be sighted. For many sighted people, they're not actually aware of the fact that they even have spacial abilities. They, in a way, see a series of images that exist in their minds to guide them from point A to point B. When those images appear in real life outside their heads, it's like receiving a visual instruction to turn left or right. We blind do this too with other non-visual objects, especially those of us trained to use routes only. I can certainly say I did the same, especially before my blindfold training at LCB. That's why so many learning under blindfold for the first time get so messed up; they're relying on those visual instructions rather than paying attention to where they've been and where they're going. Is any of this making any sense? In all reality, what I'm saying here is that you may have unconsciously absorbed the belief that spacial awareness should be more difficult for you because you have no vision. That's not at all true. However, if spacial awareness truly is a difficulty for you, keep in mind that sighted people often have difficulty with it as well; we weren't all born with every talent and intelligence out there. As to personal space issues, much of the rules regarding proxemics vary depending on who you're talking to and the various parts of the overall context of the situation. but if it helps, I don't recall ever thinking or feeling spacially uncomfortable in your presence even though you and I only spent so much time together at National Headquarters in March. does that help? Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique > set of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the > converse is true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel > I could improve involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from > others with any tips on ways to be better aware of their surroundings. > How do you effectively and consciously avoid other people's personal > space when talking or walking from place to place? > A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's > sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and > hold a conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind > person, if you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted > people will just start asking you where you are going or if you are > looking for something. Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. > Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a > conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to > politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group > conversation between others which has already started? > I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by > companies or take place at conventions and other events. > Thanks for any help. > J.J. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Oct 14 03:08:54 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:08:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness Message-ID: <20091014030854.7031.84563@web3.serotek.com> Well, in your situation, it's hard to say what's causing your feelings of disorientation. But if it is your dyslexia or some other thing that could equally happen to a sighted person, you might be at a greater disadvantage just because there are more visual cues and patterns to work with in most spaces than tactile/auditory ones. So, in an area where it makes sense, you could simply create something very distinctive to reorient with such as a radio in your kitchen or something. That way, you won't need to depend on patterns so much and you can reorient based on the distinctive sound. Or, worse case scenario, you walk to the radio just to have a point of reference. On the streets, you could use a GPS or compas to get you back on track. A guide dog might be a useful tool for you if you're interested in animals since guide dogs take care of some of that for you. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and > if you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. > At the risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual > problem. It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has > something to do with my dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call > it, but it is similar to vertigo, though I am positive it is not the > right word. I sort of lose my sense of direction. It is especially > terrifying when I am in a place I already don't know, but it even > happens when I am in a familiar area. When it happens in a familiar > place I can adjust after a moment or to but it is still frustrating. > Basically what happens is everything around me is different from the > way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the room didn't > actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I mean > I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean it > every day with no proble > ms except those random moments when all of a sudden I suddenly don't > know which way I am facing or what the proximity of matter around me > is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I know my > house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but > I feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with > orientation because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use > to think it did as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area > but it happens in places I am very familiar with as well. I started > thinking it might be a blindness thing, but I don't know many other > people it happens to if any. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that > is your brains inability to recognize patterns. It shows up mostly in > reading and righting, and it defanatly does that for me, but I am > wondering if it extends farther to spatial and directional perceptions. > If anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know as I am curious > as to it's relatio > nship to dyslexia or if it is something else entirely and any thoughts > on how to remedy it. > Thanks so much. > Andi > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Oct 14 03:14:44 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:14:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Spacial Awareness as a Totally Blind Person Message-ID: <20091014031444.6922.15017@web3.serotek.com> Valerie, To address a sighted person, you could just say their name. "Hey Robert?" When Robert speaks up, you'll have the information you need to turn your nose to the appropriate height. But since you'll be looking in Robert's direction as you address him, he may not even be the wiser regarding your uncertainty about his physical characteristics or his exact location. As to facial expressions, some of them are arbitrary, but the basic ones aren't. Perhaps you squinted at the wrong moment or something. Sometimes, sighted people can over-rely on facial cues just as we sometimes over-rely on vocal cues. How often have we said to a sighted friend (or any friend) "You sound sad. Are you okay?" They may be just fine, but we've judged their tones as indicating sadness. This stuff happens all the time and isn't worth serious concern when it happens. Clear communication usually does the trick so long as both parties are willing. About your friend and the seat. As strange as this sounds, he may have thought you were offended just because you said no. Don't forget that many sighted people expect that you'd say yes because that's what they think they'd do if they were in your shoes. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I'm curious about the same thing--visual communication and how to > effectively start a conversation so that the sighted person knows > you're speaking to them. I understand moving your head in the > direction of which they're speaking helps, but what if you "know" > someone is beside you, but you cannot accurately judge hight or > anything so you don't know where their eyes are generally located. > being a short person, this is difficult. > Another thing that interests me is why certain facial expressions mean > certain things and why. One guy thought he'd offended me when he > asked if i'd like to take a seat. I was far from offended, but i guess > something on my face registered offense. it's hard to portray what > you want the sighted person to see if you've never seen, or been > explained, this. > just my thoughts... > On 10/12/09, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >> I've learned over the years that being totally blind presents a unique set >> of challenges not seen by thsoe with some vision. Of course the converse is >> true as well. For me, one of my biggest places where I feel I could improve >> involves spacial awareness. I'm curious to hear from others with any tips on >> ways to be better aware of their surroundings. How do you effectively and >> consciously avoid other people's personal space when talking or walking from >> place to place? >> A lot of these situations seems to come up at parties, also, when it's >> sometimes difficult to figure out the best place to stand or sit and hold a >> conversation without looking awkward. And of course, as a blind person, if >> you try to walk around and talk to people, some sighted people will just >> start asking you where you are going or if you are looking for something. >> Surely there must be ways to just fit into the group. >> Finally, some of these challenges apply when trying to network at a >> conference with unknown people. Does anyone have any tips for how to >> politely but effectively start a conversation or break into a group >> conversation between others which has already started? >> I'm talking about the various networking receptions which are held by >> companies or take place at conventions and other events. >> Thanks for any help. >> J.J. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 09:50:39 2009 From: cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com (Ashley) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 04:50:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness In-Reply-To: <20091014030854.7031.84563@web3.serotek.com> References: <20091014030854.7031.84563@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <4804d1140910140250t2b18b3a6o61848154d58cda13@mail.gmail.com> I actually find that auditory thing around the house quite useful. I even find myself using auditory cues outside the house, and I often find myself tapping my cane to listen for an echo which would give me an idea of where there might be a building in relation to where i am. And while that doesn't tell me where I'm at, at least I'd know there was a building and I'll try to find it in the hopes of being able to seek help. On 10/13/09, Jedi wrote: > Well, in your situation, it's hard to say what's causing your feelings > of disorientation. But if it is your dyslexia or some other thing that > could equally happen to a sighted person, you might be at a greater > disadvantage just because there are more visual cues and patterns to > work with in most spaces than tactile/auditory ones. So, in an area > where it makes sense, you could simply create something very > distinctive to reorient with such as a radio in your kitchen or > something. That way, you won't need to depend on patterns so much and > you can reorient based on the distinctive sound. Or, worse case > scenario, you walk to the radio just to have a point of reference. On > the streets, you could use a GPS or compas to get you back on track. A > guide dog might be a useful tool for you if you're interested in > animals since guide dogs take care of some of that for you. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > Original message: >> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >> if you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. >> At the risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual >> problem. It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has >> something to do with my dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call >> it, but it is similar to vertigo, though I am positive it is not the >> right word. I sort of lose my sense of direction. It is especially >> terrifying when I am in a place I already don't know, but it even >> happens when I am in a familiar area. When it happens in a familiar >> place I can adjust after a moment or to but it is still frustrating. >> Basically what happens is everything around me is different from the >> way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the room didn't >> actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I mean >> I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean it >> every day with no proble >> ms except those random moments when all of a sudden I suddenly don't >> know which way I am facing or what the proximity of matter around me >> is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I know my >> house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but >> I feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with >> orientation because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use >> to think it did as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area >> but it happens in places I am very familiar with as well. I started >> thinking it might be a blindness thing, but I don't know many other >> people it happens to if any. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that >> is your brains inability to recognize patterns. It shows up mostly in >> reading and righting, and it defanatly does that for me, but I am >> wondering if it extends farther to spatial and directional perceptions. >> If anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know as I am curious >> as to it's relatio >> nship to dyslexia or if it is something else entirely and any thoughts >> on how to remedy it. > >> Thanks so much. > > >> Andi >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 14:25:28 2009 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:25:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question Message-ID: <3fea3c410910140725i483f2094s27576b2e72805615@mail.gmail.com> Have any of you ever had trouble with your cursor jumping to another place in a document while you are typing? Every so often, I wil all of a sudden be typing in another paragraph, but there is no announcement when the cursor does this, so I don’t know about it until I have typed a good amount in the wrong place. I am using JAWS 10, office 2007, and IE 8, and it occurs everywhere I am typing. I thought it might b that the touch pad mouse in the middle of my laptop keyboard is getting bumped, but I just started having this problem, and that touch pad has remained on ever since I got the computer. I am nevertheless trying to figure out how to turn that off which is a different story, because when I follow directions online there is no option to disable it, but I was curious if any of you had experienced it and if you knew of something that I could do to help it, because it is very frustrating having to cut and paste documents back together to make them chronological. Thanks Cindy From jsorozco at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 14:32:40 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:32:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Greatest Hurdle Message-ID: <35437B01A93749B5B8F6725BAD4398A2@Rufus> The greatest hurdle Around the world millions of children are not getting a proper education because illness or disability prevent them going to school. In the third report in the BBC's Hunger to Learn series, Will Ross meets children in Tanzania who are overcoming visual impairment to learn. Standing in a classroom in Makang'wa primary school I tried to count the number of students. I reached 85 and then gave up. The teacher helped out by asking each child to shout out a consecutive number as she pointed at them with a stick. "One hundred and three," said the last student. In this arid part of central Tanzania, about 50km (31 miles) south of the capital Dodoma, the poverty is deep and education offers the slim possibility of an escape route. HUNGER TO LEARN Hunger to Learn looks at the lengths children go to get an education. On Thursday we report from Pakistan's Swat valley, where girls schools have been closed down and pupils threatened On Friday, we hear from pupils in L'Aquila, Italy, who are attending schools that have been rebuilt or repaired after the massive earthquake. With such a staggering student to teacher ratio, when a child has special needs their chances of making it are even slimmer. Sospeter, 16, walked slowly towards his family home - a tiny doorless hut made of wooden poles and mud in drought stricken Nagulo village. Stepping cautiously he bent down to pick up his three-year-old sister, Jane. Totally blind since the age of five, Sospeter is determined not to let his disability prevent him from giving his family a much needed lift. Due to a lack of medical facilities in the village he had been taken to a local healer, he said, and the healing had been unsuccessful. "When I lost my sight I was very fearful I would lose the opportunity to learn and I had never heard of a school for blind people," he said. The fear was intensified by the fact that any disability can lead to a person being sidelined, even shut away. But against the odds, Sospeter has managed to drive his education along and he is now the one hankering for development in the village. "When I was young I didn't know there was anything wrong with this home but when I went to school I realised this is not a place which is fit for habitation, so that saddens me," he said. "I would like to change the buildings in the village. Also people elsewhere have access to mobile phones but here people have to climb trees to get a good reception." In Buigiri, just outside Dodoma, two rows of children faced each other across a small playground. They hurled a basketball from one side to the other attempting to get it past the opposition line. With a bell inside the ball the visually impaired students used their hearing to locate the ball. " I enjoy helping Sospeter because he is unable to do everything and I'd like to help him do as much as possible " Faraji Catering mostly for visually impaired students, this was where Sospeter headed for his primary education. "You find most of the blind students do better than the sighted ones or those with low vision," said mathematics teacher Julius Chisaluni. "Using only their ears they pay attention very carefully. But the others, they look at you and around at other things so their concentration is lower." He drew a graph on the blackboard which he had also replicated in Braille form, so the visually impaired students could feel the lines on the graph. "How many eggs were laid on Friday, Ann?" asked Mr Chisaluni. Tiny fingers traced for the answer. "Five eggs," she replied and the whole class tapped on their desks three times as sign of approval. Real friendship Sospeter left Buigiri at the end of last year after doing well in his exams, and moved an hour down the dusty road to Mvumi High School as one of their sponsored students. " Society is learning that people are free to send their children to school " Ernest Mbilu There are eight other visually impaired students - the other 441 are sighted. "Cold, colder, the coldest," the English teacher wrote on the board as the class went through the rules for comparatives and superlatives and made notes. But for Sospeter and the other visually impaired students at Mvumi, note taking is a laborious process. In the evening they team up in pairs with sighted students who read out all the notes from the day's lessons which are then typed into a Braille machine. While a friend whispered into his ear, Sospeter speedily bashed away on his machine - a show of real friendship. "My friend helps me. We discuss issues he struggles with and I help him with issues he has struggled with in class," he told me over the clattering of Braille machines. "I enjoy helping Sospeter because he is unable to do everything and I'd like to help him do as much as possible," added his friend, 14-year-old Faraji. A couple of desks away, Shamilla was being helped by Sophia who was whispering the notes - spelling out the tricky words. "She helps me here and also she reads stories to me. She is a good friend," said Shamilla. Hard work Although it will take a long time before deeply entrenched views are changed, there are signs that barriers are slowly being broken down towards disability. "Nowadays, at least society is better informed and knows these students who are visually impaired can be educated and they can be helpful to their families," said Ernest Mbilu, a special needs teacher at Mvumi. "There are now visually impaired people working on TV and radio and as lawyers here, so society is learning that people are free to send their children to school." Mr Mbilu laments the fact that the school does not have a single Braille text book. I left him busily making maps of Tanzania with different textures glued on to represent lakes and other landmarks. When students have homework to do, Mr Mbilu has to transcribe it back from Braille into handwriting. It seems teachers as well as students need to be dedicated to ensure the visually impaired students keep up. As for the future, Sospeter said he was determined to become a lawyer and university was his next hurdle. His wit keeps his classmates entertained. When he asked me which football team I supported and I replied, "Liverpool," his reply was swift and armed with a knowing smile. "Myself, I am for Everton." I still do not know whether he was serious or was just having a little fun winding me up by naming Liverpool's arch rivals. Your comments: I have been reading all these stories about these students getting educated in such circumstances and it breaks my heart at how eager they are to learn. It makes me feel regret at how much I hated my own school days and moaned when I grew up with the best facilities. These children are inspirational and I will definitely be donating money in the future to causes like this. Serena, Dublin, Ireland It shows that with determination we can go far in Africa, but the state has to prioritise in order to move our people forward. Gabriel, Lagos, Nigeria I so happy to see my fellow Tanzania live with hope despite the set back and disappointments of the government. I believe the government has an obligations to do more and it can do it. But because those how are in power are not direct affected by this problem they don't take much care. Raymond, London Are you affected by the issues in this story? Do you have a question for the pupils in Tanzania? Send us your comments and your experiences. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/africa/8305639.stm Published: 2009/10/13 18:55:35 GMT C BBC MMIX __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4506 (20091014) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From mewhalen at wisc.edu Wed Oct 14 15:45:01 2009 From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:45:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Footnotes Message-ID: I'm trying to move all of the footnotes in a document to the end of the document. I can use either office 2003 or 2007. Any help anyone can offer would be great. Thanks, Meghan From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:23:41 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:23:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness In-Reply-To: <4804d1140910140250t2b18b3a6o61848154d58cda13@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091014030854.7031.84563@web3.serotek.com> <4804d1140910140250t2b18b3a6o61848154d58cda13@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <409c235c0910140923y45956f31tda966fe3a44246a0@mail.gmail.com> Hello listers, I at times get disoriented in places that should be familiar to me, as well, (of course) in unfamiliar areas as well. My view is that alot of blind people do get turned around in places that they know or don't know. I would even venture to say that a sighted person could as well. I think the only difference between a person with vision to a person without is that they can see, therefor they can quickly glance around a room and identify an object that orientates them. As a blind person, I find that I simply stop, calm myself and ask myself the typical questions: " what do I hear?" " what do i smell/feel?" and try to re-set the picture in my mind. My opinion is that that's what good ole cane travel class is all about... not so much knowing where you are at all times no matter what (even in the comfort of our own homes) but, to be able to figure out where we are by problem-solving it out. That said, I tend to kind of make fun of myself and think "gosh Darian, figure it out will ya? if it was a snake it would have bitten ya!" :) Hope that helped in some way. Best, Darian On 10/14/09, Ashley wrote: > I actually find that auditory thing around the house quite useful. I > even find myself using auditory cues outside the house, and I often > find myself tapping my cane to listen for an echo which would give me > an idea of where there might be a building in relation to where i am. > And while that doesn't tell me where I'm at, at least I'd know there > was a building and I'll try to find it in the hopes of being able to > seek help. > > On 10/13/09, Jedi wrote: >> Well, in your situation, it's hard to say what's causing your feelings >> of disorientation. But if it is your dyslexia or some other thing that >> could equally happen to a sighted person, you might be at a greater >> disadvantage just because there are more visual cues and patterns to >> work with in most spaces than tactile/auditory ones. So, in an area >> where it makes sense, you could simply create something very >> distinctive to reorient with such as a radio in your kitchen or >> something. That way, you won't need to depend on patterns so much and >> you can reorient based on the distinctive sound. Or, worse case >> scenario, you walk to the radio just to have a point of reference. On >> the streets, you could use a GPS or compas to get you back on track. A >> guide dog might be a useful tool for you if you're interested in >> animals since guide dogs take care of some of that for you. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> Original message: >>> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >>> if you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. >>> At the risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual >>> problem. It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has >>> something to do with my dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call >>> it, but it is similar to vertigo, though I am positive it is not the >>> right word. I sort of lose my sense of direction. It is especially >>> terrifying when I am in a place I already don't know, but it even >>> happens when I am in a familiar area. When it happens in a familiar >>> place I can adjust after a moment or to but it is still frustrating. >>> Basically what happens is everything around me is different from the >>> way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the room didn't >>> actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I mean >>> I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean it >>> every day with no proble >>> ms except those random moments when all of a sudden I suddenly don't >>> know which way I am facing or what the proximity of matter around me >>> is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I know my >>> house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but >>> I feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with >>> orientation because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use >>> to think it did as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area >>> but it happens in places I am very familiar with as well. I started >>> thinking it might be a blindness thing, but I don't know many other >>> people it happens to if any. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that >>> is your brains inability to recognize patterns. It shows up mostly in >>> reading and righting, and it defanatly does that for me, but I am >>> wondering if it extends farther to spatial and directional perceptions. >>> If anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know as I am curious >>> as to it's relatio >>> nship to dyslexia or if it is something else entirely and any thoughts >>> on how to remedy it. >> >>> Thanks so much. >> >> >>> Andi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 16:35:35 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:35:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness In-Reply-To: <409c235c0910140923y45956f31tda966fe3a44246a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091014030854.7031.84563@web3.serotek.com> <4804d1140910140250t2b18b3a6o61848154d58cda13@mail.gmail.com> <409c235c0910140923y45956f31tda966fe3a44246a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <409c235c0910140935j6e6e17d7h5e5a591de60ab849@mail.gmail.com> I would like to amend part of my statement in the last message. to calm one's self down is not so simple sometimes, so if one can calm one's self it tends to make matters a little easier and a little less stressful. ending amendment, Darian On 10/14/09, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello listers, > > I at times get disoriented in places that should be familiar to > me, as well, (of course) in unfamiliar areas as well. > My view is that alot of blind people do get turned around in > places that they know or don't know. I would even venture to say > that a sighted person could as well. I think the only difference > between a person with vision to a person without is that they can > see, therefor they can quickly glance around a room and identify an > object that orientates them. As a blind person, I find that I > simply stop, calm myself and ask myself the typical questions: " > what do I hear?" " what do i smell/feel?" and try to re-set the > picture in my mind. My opinion is that that's what good ole cane > travel class is all about... not so much knowing where you are at all > times no matter what (even in the comfort of our own homes) but, to > be able to figure out where we are by problem-solving it out. > That said, I tend to kind of make fun of myself and think "gosh > Darian, figure it out will ya? if it was a snake it would have > bitten ya!" :) > Hope that helped in some way. > Best, > Darian > > On 10/14/09, Ashley wrote: >> I actually find that auditory thing around the house quite useful. I >> even find myself using auditory cues outside the house, and I often >> find myself tapping my cane to listen for an echo which would give me >> an idea of where there might be a building in relation to where i am. >> And while that doesn't tell me where I'm at, at least I'd know there >> was a building and I'll try to find it in the hopes of being able to >> seek help. >> >> On 10/13/09, Jedi wrote: >>> Well, in your situation, it's hard to say what's causing your feelings >>> of disorientation. But if it is your dyslexia or some other thing that >>> could equally happen to a sighted person, you might be at a greater >>> disadvantage just because there are more visual cues and patterns to >>> work with in most spaces than tactile/auditory ones. So, in an area >>> where it makes sense, you could simply create something very >>> distinctive to reorient with such as a radio in your kitchen or >>> something. That way, you won't need to depend on patterns so much and >>> you can reorient based on the distinctive sound. Or, worse case >>> scenario, you walk to the radio just to have a point of reference. On >>> the streets, you could use a GPS or compas to get you back on track. A >>> guide dog might be a useful tool for you if you're interested in >>> animals since guide dogs take care of some of that for you. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> Original message: >>>> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >>>> if you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. >>>> At the risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual >>>> problem. It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has >>>> something to do with my dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call >>>> it, but it is similar to vertigo, though I am positive it is not the >>>> right word. I sort of lose my sense of direction. It is especially >>>> terrifying when I am in a place I already don't know, but it even >>>> happens when I am in a familiar area. When it happens in a familiar >>>> place I can adjust after a moment or to but it is still frustrating. >>>> Basically what happens is everything around me is different from the >>>> way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the room didn't >>>> actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. I mean >>>> I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean it >>>> every day with no proble >>>> ms except those random moments when all of a sudden I suddenly don't >>>> know which way I am facing or what the proximity of matter around me >>>> is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I know my >>>> house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, but >>>> I feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with >>>> orientation because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use >>>> to think it did as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area >>>> but it happens in places I am very familiar with as well. I started >>>> thinking it might be a blindness thing, but I don't know many other >>>> people it happens to if any. I was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that >>>> is your brains inability to recognize patterns. It shows up mostly in >>>> reading and righting, and it defanatly does that for me, but I am >>>> wondering if it extends farther to spatial and directional perceptions. >>>> If anyone has any thoughts on this please let me know as I am curious >>>> as to it's relatio >>>> nship to dyslexia or if it is something else entirely and any thoughts >>>> on how to remedy it. >>> >>>> Thanks so much. >>> >>> >>>> Andi >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching > before us; > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe > past and future generations, > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be > done, and > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama > -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From mewhalen at wisc.edu Wed Oct 14 17:56:16 2009 From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:56:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Footnotes References: <16470_1255535390_ZZg0H4lhNe7bP.00_FAD0434C326949B9A4DB2025A1F29F0D@HPdc79001> Message-ID: <2027C1EC643C446198D0BDE18649A510@HPdc79001> Nevermind, worked it out. Meghan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meghan Whalen" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Footnotes > I'm trying to move all of the footnotes in a document to the end of the > document. I can use either office 2003 or 2007. Any help anyone can > offer would be great. > > Thanks, > Meghan > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mewhalen%40wisc.edu > From pajohns1 at vt.edu Wed Oct 14 18:28:13 2009 From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:28:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google-Lime Scholarships Message-ID: <0B6F1B63A43F47CD8C45E6C26F995248@useripvq7z5u3t> From another list I monitor. Subject: Google Lime Scholarship for Students with Disabilities Google Lime Scholarship for Students with Disabilities Access to knowledge is our thing. When it comes to higher education for promising scholars, we don't want anything to stand in the way. That's why we're proud to partner with Lime. Google is committed to helping the innovators of the future make the most of their talents by providing scholarships and networking retreats for computer science students with disabilities. Recipients of the Google Lime Scholarship will receive a scholarship for the 2010-2011 academic year. Selected students will also be invited to attend the all-expenses-paid retreat at the Googleplex in Mountain View, CA, in 2011. Scholarships will be awarded based on the strength of candidates' academic background, leadership and passion for computer science - $10,000 USD for those studying in the US and $5,000 CAD for those studying in Canada (based on average tuition costs). Eligibility Requirements Candidates must be: * A current junior or senior year of undergraduate study or enrolled in a graduate program at a university in the United States or Canada (in addition to US and Canada citizens, international students with disabilities studying at universities in the US or Canada are also encouraged to apply) * Enrolled in a Computer Science or Computer Engineering program, or a closely related technical feld, as a full-time student for the 2010-2011 academic year * A person with a disability (defi­ned as someone who has, or considers themselves to have , a long-term, or recurring, issue that impacts one or more activities that others may consider a daily function); this defi­nition also includes the perception among others that a disability exists. For more information, please go to: http://www.limeconnect.com/google.html Online application: http://google.eresources.com/applications/login.asp From jty727 at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 19:10:32 2009 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:10:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410910140725i483f2094s27576b2e72805615@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fea3c410910140725i483f2094s27576b2e72805615@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <54d8179e0910141210q52e4adb3o884007f679ac493e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Cindy, A solution could be try rooting your JAWS and PC curcer or the other way around. Maybe this might be your problem. Let me know On 10/14/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Have any of you ever had trouble with your cursor jumping to another > place in a document while you are typing? Every so often, I wil all of > a sudden be typing in another paragraph, but there is no announcement > when the cursor does this, so I don’t know about it until I have typed > a good amount in the wrong place. I am using JAWS 10, office 2007, and > IE 8, and it occurs everywhere I am typing. I thought it might b that > the touch pad mouse in the middle of my laptop keyboard is getting > bumped, but I just started having this problem, and that touch pad has > remained on ever since I got the computer. I am nevertheless trying to > figure out how to turn that off which is a different story, because > when I follow directions online there is no option to disable it, but > I was curious if any of you had experienced it and if you knew of > something that I could do to help it, because it is very frustrating > having to cut and paste documents back together to make them > chronological. > > Thanks > > Cindy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From valandkayla at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 20:20:01 2009 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:20:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question In-Reply-To: <54d8179e0910141210q52e4adb3o884007f679ac493e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fea3c410910140725i483f2094s27576b2e72805615@mail.gmail.com> <54d8179e0910141210q52e4adb3o884007f679ac493e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I know exactly what you're talking about, and I use jaws 10. Moreover, i'm starting to have an issue where the entire window will switch in the midst of typing, and my comp, which runs vista, will ding at me, but there's nothing i have done to cause it to jump windows. I ran jaws 10 perfectly when i first recieved it from my school, and this problem started happpening within hte past four or so months. thought about contacting FS, but i too was curious if this has happened to anyone else, and their thoughts on the matter On 10/14/09, Justin Young wrote: > Hi Cindy, > A solution could be try rooting your JAWS and PC curcer or the other > way around. Maybe this might be your problem. > Let me know > > On 10/14/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> Have any of you ever had trouble with your cursor jumping to another >> place in a document while you are typing? Every so often, I wil all of >> a sudden be typing in another paragraph, but there is no announcement >> when the cursor does this, so I don’t know about it until I have typed >> a good amount in the wrong place. I am using JAWS 10, office 2007, and >> IE 8, and it occurs everywhere I am typing. I thought it might b that >> the touch pad mouse in the middle of my laptop keyboard is getting >> bumped, but I just started having this problem, and that touch pad has >> remained on ever since I got the computer. I am nevertheless trying to >> figure out how to turn that off which is a different story, because >> when I follow directions online there is no option to disable it, but >> I was curious if any of you had experienced it and if you knew of >> something that I could do to help it, because it is very frustrating >> having to cut and paste documents back together to make them >> chronological. >> >> Thanks >> >> Cindy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > From eitan at ascender.com Wed Oct 14 20:21:36 2009 From: eitan at ascender.com (Eitan Isaacson) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:21:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] CSUN Hackfest and Exhibition: Call for Participation Message-ID: Hello fellow GNOME a11y folks. On March 22-27 2010, GNOME will have a booth presence at the CSUN conference in San Diego. CSUN is one of the largest and most important gatherings on the topic of technology and persons with disabilities. This is going to be a great opportunity to bring the gospel of Free Software to a space and industry that is largely proprietary, and to a user base with special needs that sometimes could only be addressed with Open Source software. This is going to be über exciting! Along with the booth and a presentation or two, we will also be hosting a GNOME assistive technology hackfest. The reasoning for this being the fact that this is an assistive technologies conference, so there really isn't a better place to draw inspiration, both by seeing the "state of the art" proprietary products first hand, and by talking with users who have needs that we could answer. Are you a maintainer of one of GNOME's assistive technology modules? Are you developing an on screen keyboard? An alternative means for text input? A magnifier? Some trippy head-tracking app? Voice control? Switch access? Something new and exciting for cognitive disabilities? Are you hacking on new features for Orca? Are you working to provide users with disabilities unfettered access to GNOME? If the answer to any of the above is 'yes', we hope you will consider joining fellow GNOME a11y folks at CSUN this year to help promote GNOME and to hack with fellow AT developers. We hope to have funding for this hackfest, but we don't yet really know what that means. We know that we will have to be creative about it to pull it off, so hopefully once you made up your mind to attend, you could help figure out how to afford it, if your employer could pay, if you have student discounts, etc. We will do our best to make it affordable to people who should be there, but no promises. Hope to have specifics about that in the future. Please reply to this mail, or contact me if you have interest in attending, or any other questions, suggestions or concerns. Cheers, Eitan. _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Wed Oct 14 21:19:26 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:19:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question References: <3fea3c410910140725i483f2094s27576b2e72805615@mail.gmail.com> <54d8179e0910141210q52e4adb3o884007f679ac493e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D5738C46B86498385EFC5B84BA89B6A@teal6e6857f643> yeah i know there have been times when i lay my arms on the computer and rub the mouse making jaws jump. try keeping your arms out of the middle of your labtop? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question Hi Cindy, A solution could be try rooting your JAWS and PC curcer or the other way around. Maybe this might be your problem. Let me know On 10/14/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Have any of you ever had trouble with your cursor jumping to another > place in a document while you are typing? Every so often, I wil all of > a sudden be typing in another paragraph, but there is no announcement > when the cursor does this, so I don’t know about it until I have typed > a good amount in the wrong place. I am using JAWS 10, office 2007, and > IE 8, and it occurs everywhere I am typing. I thought it might b that > the touch pad mouse in the middle of my laptop keyboard is getting > bumped, but I just started having this problem, and that touch pad has > remained on ever since I got the computer. I am nevertheless trying to > figure out how to turn that off which is a different story, because > when I follow directions online there is no option to disable it, but > I was curious if any of you had experienced it and if you knew of > something that I could do to help it, because it is very frustrating > having to cut and paste documents back together to make them > chronological. > > Thanks > > Cindy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 01:03:02 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:03:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question References: <3fea3c410910140725i483f2094s27576b2e72805615@mail.gmail.com><54d8179e0910141210q52e4adb3o884007f679ac493e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: you know it could be that you dont let the webpage fully load before you start viewing it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS and typing question I know exactly what you're talking about, and I use jaws 10. Moreover, i'm starting to have an issue where the entire window will switch in the midst of typing, and my comp, which runs vista, will ding at me, but there's nothing i have done to cause it to jump windows. I ran jaws 10 perfectly when i first recieved it from my school, and this problem started happpening within hte past four or so months. thought about contacting FS, but i too was curious if this has happened to anyone else, and their thoughts on the matter On 10/14/09, Justin Young wrote: > Hi Cindy, > A solution could be try rooting your JAWS and PC curcer or the other > way around. Maybe this might be your problem. > Let me know > > On 10/14/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> Have any of you ever had trouble with your cursor jumping to another >> place in a document while you are typing? Every so often, I wil all of >> a sudden be typing in another paragraph, but there is no announcement >> when the cursor does this, so I don’t know about it until I have typed >> a good amount in the wrong place. I am using JAWS 10, office 2007, and >> IE 8, and it occurs everywhere I am typing. I thought it might b that >> the touch pad mouse in the middle of my laptop keyboard is getting >> bumped, but I just started having this problem, and that touch pad has >> remained on ever since I got the computer. I am nevertheless trying to >> figure out how to turn that off which is a different story, because >> when I follow directions online there is no option to disable it, but >> I was curious if any of you had experienced it and if you knew of >> something that I could do to help it, because it is very frustrating >> having to cut and paste documents back together to make them >> chronological. >> >> Thanks >> >> Cindy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From JFreeh at nfb.org Thu Oct 15 01:14:10 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:14:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Applauds Partnership Between K-NFB Reading Technology and Baker & Taylor Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Applauds Partnership Between K-NFB Reading Technology and Baker & Taylor Historic Partnership Will Make Millions of Books Available for Purchase by the Blind Baltimore, Maryland (October 14, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind, the nation's leading advocate for access to information by the blind, today applauds the historic partnership between K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc., the world-renowned pioneer in reading technologies, and Baker & Taylor, Inc., the world's largest distributor of physical and digital books and entertainment products. This five-year partnership will use K-NFB Reading Technology's soon-to-be-released electronic book reader to deliver the highest-quality digital book content to tens of millions of readers worldwide and harness Baker & Taylor's market leadership and relationships with 44,000 publishers and major book retailers in more than 120 countries. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "We are thrilled that Baker & Taylor has joined forces with K-NFB Reading Technology. This partnership, using pioneering e-book technology, will provide blind and other print-disabled people heretofore unprecedented access to the printed word. Until now, the traditional consumer book market has been largely closed to the blind, leaving us with limited access to information. Blind students are often left behind in coursework, unable to obtain books at the same time as their sighted peers. With this groundbreaking new partnership, for the first time in history, commercial access to millions of books is about to become a reality for all blind people." Ray Kurzweil, CEO of K-NFB Reading Technology, said: "This dynamic partnership will further my work of more than three decades with the National Federation of the Blind to make the printed word easily accessible to the blind. With our growing repository of e-content, Baker & Taylor's market leadership, and our innovative book technology, blind people will have millions of books literally at their fingertips. We expect this collaboration to revolutionize communication of knowledge throughout the world." Under the broad partnership with Baker & Taylor, K-NFB Reading Technology's new e-reader with cutting-edge 3-D technology will present content in formats accessible to the blind and others with diverse reading needs, and will operate seamlessly on a variety of electronic devices, including personal computers, smart phones, and cell phones. K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc., is a joint venture between Kurzweil Technologies, Inc., an innovator and pioneer in reading technologies and the creator of the first print-to-speech reading machine for the blind, and the National Federation of the Blind, the largest, most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 02:42:12 2009 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Adrianne Dempsey) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:42:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness References: <64A3BAABC96B458B874B93363D98F792@YOUR314E04A90B> <4804d1140910130329q5ec247f5vf5cf53e6a98728db@mail.gmail.com><39B4A85981694670AB24DC8E02220AC0@YOUR314E04A90B> <4ad4fd33.02a1660a.1105.33ee@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In answer to your question, dyslexia is in a persons mind technically but my brain is sending the message to my fingers, and so when I am reading brail my fingers actually feel the letter as a different letter or switched places in the word or upside down or what ever the case. This is also true for righting brail as it is also a pattern you follow even though you don't think of it as a pattern. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alberto arreola" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > When letters flip upside down for you is it in your mind as well, or as > you > are reading them with your fingers? This is interesting to me because > I've > heard how it is for sighted people, but I've never heard about a blind > person with dyslexia. I'm just trying to visualize how this is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Adrianne Dempsey > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 11:46 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > > Ashley dyslexia is not a visual disorder, though that is a common thought, > because it is usually associated with reading and righting only. This is > where it is most common I think but I read brail and have the same problem > as sighted people with reading and righting so it is not visual. I read > very slowly because I have to decode everything in my head as I am reading > it. Letters either switch places with in the word, or flip upside down > and > because it's brail becomes a different letter, so that is annoying. But I > also notice it when I type or dial phone numbers. It is not always, as I > am > > a pretty fast typist, and I know the numbers on a phone but once in a > while > my brain malfunctions or something and I hit the wrong button or key. It > is > > different then a typo, as it isn't necessarily an accident, for example, > sometimes even though I know the keyboard well I will hit F instead of J > or > T instead of V or something like that. It is very frustrating but I have > learned to deal with it and have learned little tricks as to how not to > make > > as many mistakes or catch them more quickly so other people don't notice > as > much. I still hate reading out loud because I sound like I don't know how > to > > read and that is not true, it is just that I don't always have the pattern > right and have to decode. > Because I don't know what causes my other perceptual problem I am only > guessing that it may be dyslexia but like I said I don't know. As I said > before it is not constant it is random and the time of temporary confusion > last some times for just a second or sometimes for a few minutes it just > depends on the, well I don't know what it depends on. I don't know what > causes it or if what factors if any make it worse. You can get tested for > dyslexia but it is very hard to find a psychologist who uses non visual > tests. If your truly interested in finding out if you are or not they are > out their you just have to search a little harder. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] perceptual awareness > > >> Hi, >> Well, it feels good to know I'm not as weird as I thought--I also >> experience something similar to this, though not exactly the same. I >> tend to get disoriented quite a bit, even in places that I seem to be >> familiar with. Naturally, it happens more often in places that I am >> unfamiliar with, however, I have known it to happen in small areas >> that I should have easily been able to find my way around. I also used >> to think that this meant i was crazy or something, but I'm kind of >> starting to realize that it may be a lack of concentration--or at >> least that's what I thought at one point. Then, I started to find that >> even during an O and M lesson where I'm concentrating, I still get >> lost, and think i'm somewhere, when I actually end up somewhere >> totally different from where I thought I was. I know this isn't the >> exact same thing as what you're saying, but I am also curious as to >> how this happens, as it happens to me quite often. I was told once >> that this type of disorientation is associated to the cause of my >> blindness, which may be a possibility, though I don't even believe >> that I have whatever this person said I do. Can't think of the name of >> it at this point--lebers or something or other, forgive me if I >> misspelled that. >> Also, as I'm typing this, something else occurred to me. My family is >> dislecsic, but I was told that only a sighted person could be. >> However, I've even noticed that at times I have done things like >> writing things backwards etc, so wondering about that as well. >> My problem is, I do know how to recognize patterns, but I'm wondering >> if my problem may be something else. >> So there were my thoughts on the matter. >> >> >> On 10/13/09, Adrianne Dempsey wrote: >>> I am wondering if any one has experienced this or something like it and >>> if >>> you have any ideas as to what causes it or how to fix the problem. At >>> the >>> risk of sounding silly, I sometimes have some sort of perceptual >>> problem. >>> It may be because of blindness, but I believe it has something to do >>> with > >>> my >>> dyslexia. I am not really sure what to call it, but it is similar to >>> vertigo, though I am positive it is not the right word. I sort of lose >>> my >>> sense of direction. It is especially terrifying when I am in a place I >>> already don't know, but it even happens when I am in a familiar area. >>> When >>> it happens in a familiar place I can adjust after a moment or to but it >>> is >>> still frustrating. Basically what happens is everything around me is >>> different from the way it was a second ago. I am fully aware that the >>> room >>> didn't actually change, but my brain no longer recognizes the pattern. >>> I >>> mean I could be in my kitchen, and I know my kitchen-I cook in and clean >>> it >>> every day with no problems except those random moments when all of a >>> sudden >>> I suddenly don't know which way I am facing or what the proximity of >>> matter >>> around me is. When this happens I feel like a crazy person because I >>> know >>> my house, and it doesn't happen all the time and it never lasts long, >>> but > >>> I >>> feel so lost when it does. I know it has nothing to do with orientation >>> because it has nothing to do with learning an area. I use to think it >>> did >>> as it happens allot more when I am in a big open area but it happens in >>> places I am very familiar with as well. I started thinking it might be >>> a >>> blindness thing, but I don't know many other people it happens to if >>> any. > >>> I >>> was diagnosed with dyslexia, and that is your brains inability to >>> recognize >>> patterns. It shows up mostly in reading and righting, and it defanatly >>> does >>> that for me, but I am wondering if it extends farther to spatial and >>> directional perceptions. If anyone has any thoughts on this please let >>> me >>> know as I am curious as to it's relationship to dyslexia or if it is >>> something else entirely and any thoughts on how to remedy it. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> >>> >>> Andi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cumbiambera2005%40gm > ail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40g > mail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 13:56:32 2009 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:56:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] yes Message-ID: African American Studies 100 Midterm Examination Name October 15, 2009 Answer the following questions in a short paragraph. Try to use key terms. 1. Explain the term “discourse” and its significance for African American Studies? 2. What possible disadvantages did Virginia enslaved persons encounter after the turn of the 19th century that their African and Creole forebears never encountered? 3. How does a film like “Sankofa” rewrite a film like “Mandingo”? 4. How did Olauduh Equiano compare African slavery to the enslavement of Africans in the western hemisphere, specifically in the English colonies? 5. What is the significance of using a term like “Atlantic Africans” to represent enslaved people who survived Middle Passage and worked for the rest of their lives in North America? 6. What were the two key events in Frederick Douglass’ early life? How did they enable him to escape from slavery? 7. Which discourses did David Walker use to convince his audience of the importance of militant resistance to slavery? 8. Harriet Jacobs writes, “the condition of a slave confuses all principles of morality, and, in fact, renders the practice of them impossible.” Based on your reading of her narrative, is this a challenge to the western system of logic, which has organized black slavery, or is it a plea for inclusion into that logical system? -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely Gary From MRiccobono at nfb.org Thu Oct 15 15:35:43 2009 From: MRiccobono at nfb.org (Riccobono, Mark) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:35:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Corrected E-mail Address in Study Request Message-ID: Please note that the original copy of the below message went out with an incorrect e-mail address to respond if you are interested in participating. The correct e-mail address is fmd22 at pitt.edu. Our apologies for this error. ---------- Dear Students, Please see the below announcement about an opportunity to participate in some important Braille and technology related research. This research will help provide some important data to the field so we encourage you to participate if you fit the criteria. Let your voice be heard. Thank you, Mark A. Riccobono Executive Director, Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND ------------- [Flyer for Students: Announcement of Study] Seeking Students for Research Study Students who are between the ages of 16 and 22 years who are Braille readers and users of assistive technology are needed for a study. This study will explore how you use both Braille and electronic information for classroom work, and how you learned these literacy practices. The purpose of this research will be to add to our understanding of the current role of both hard-copy (paper) Braille and use of electronic access to information by people who are blind from ages 16-22, and your attitudes and perceptions about both Braille and technology. This information will inform how we prepare pre-service teachers to instruct young Braille readers. If you are interested in participating in this study or getting more information, please contact me via email at fmd22 at pitt.edu, by calling 412-521-5797, or by writing to me at: Frances Mary D'Andrea 5513 Posvar Hall University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh PA 15260 If you are under 18, you MUST have your parents' or guardians' permission. A consent form will be send to you in braille or electronically after you verify that you are: 1. between the ages of 16-22 2. a student enrolled in school 3. a braille reader 4. a user of electronic assistive technology devices, hardware, or software. If you are under 18, your parents will also receive a consent form that must be signed before you can participate. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your interest! Frances Mary D'Andrea From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 15:37:20 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:37:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] yes References: Message-ID: <574C48827C4245FF9E8ADBCCF52168D6@Dezman> Mary, Did you mean to send this to the list? Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Fernandez" To: "trillian551" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:56 AM Subject: [nabs-l] yes African American Studies 100 Midterm Examination Name October 15, 2009 Answer the following questions in a short paragraph. Try to use key terms. 1. Explain the term “discourse” and its significance for African American Studies? 2. What possible disadvantages did Virginia enslaved persons encounter after the turn of the 19th century that their African and Creole forebears never encountered? 3. How does a film like “Sankofa” rewrite a film like “Mandingo”? 4. How did Olauduh Equiano compare African slavery to the enslavement of Africans in the western hemisphere, specifically in the English colonies? 5. What is the significance of using a term like “Atlantic Africans” to represent enslaved people who survived Middle Passage and worked for the rest of their lives in North America? 6. What were the two key events in Frederick Douglass’ early life? How did they enable him to escape from slavery? 7. Which discourses did David Walker use to convince his audience of the importance of militant resistance to slavery? 8. Harriet Jacobs writes, “the condition of a slave confuses all principles of morality, and, in fact, renders the practice of them impossible.” Based on your reading of her narrative, is this a challenge to the western system of logic, which has organized black slavery, or is it a plea for inclusion into that logical system? -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From kramc11 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 14:44:07 2009 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:44:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Did you intend to send this to the entire list? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you intend to send this to the entire list? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Fernandez" To: "trillian551" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 9:56 AM Subject: [nabs-l] yes African American Studies 100 Midterm Examination Name October 15, 2009 Answer the following questions in a short paragraph. Try to use key terms. 1. Explain the term “discourse” and its significance for African American Studies? 2. What possible disadvantages did Virginia enslaved persons encounter after the turn of the 19th century that their African and Creole forebears never encountered? 3. How does a film like “Sankofa” rewrite a film like “Mandingo”? 4. How did Olauduh Equiano compare African slavery to the enslavement of Africans in the western hemisphere, specifically in the English colonies? 5. What is the significance of using a term like “Atlantic Africans” to represent enslaved people who survived Middle Passage and worked for the rest of their lives in North America? 6. What were the two key events in Frederick Douglass’ early life? How did they enable him to escape from slavery? 7. Which discourses did David Walker use to convince his audience of the importance of militant resistance to slavery? 8. Harriet Jacobs writes, “the condition of a slave confuses all principles of morality, and, in fact, renders the practice of them impossible.” Based on your reading of her narrative, is this a challenge to the western system of logic, which has organized black slavery, or is it a plea for inclusion into that logical system? -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Oct 15 17:38:35 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:38:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school References: <001201ca4da5$02ffedb0$37f95043@Home> Message-ID: <006f01ca4dbe$52a39e20$0401a8c0@Serene> Hi Garry, In general, older editions of books aren't really a big deal, as long as you tell your prof. that the pages might not be the same as the ones in the newer edition. It depends on the subject matter. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:37 AM Subject: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school > Hello anybody > > My name is Gary. I have had no luck finding accessible audible text books > for this profession. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go about > getting them? I have tried the nlsbard catalog, bookshare, and RFBD > catalog. RFBD might have some of these books, but they are the older > editions. I hope that someone has some suggestions, or ideas for my > problem. > > Sincerely Gary > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From jty727 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 17:58:53 2009 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:58:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school In-Reply-To: <001201ca4da5$02ffedb0$37f95043@Home> References: <001201ca4da5$02ffedb0$37f95043@Home> Message-ID: <54d8179e0910151058i6df35b2ay3482f0bdfef52302@mail.gmail.com> Well, it depends upon what the books are. I would suggest seeing if RFB&D has it and if they don't then possibly again it would depend upon what the book is, but possibly local Libraries might have them. Justin On 10/15/09, Gary wrote: > Hello anybody > > My name is Gary. I have had no luck finding accessible audible text books > for this profession. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go about > getting them? I have tried the nlsbard catalog, bookshare, and RFBD > catalog. RFBD might have some of these books, but they are the older > editions. I hope that someone has some suggestions, or ideas for my > problem. > > Sincerely Gary > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Oct 15 18:44:53 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:44:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school References: <001201ca4da5$02ffedb0$37f95043@Home> <006f01ca4dbe$52a39e20$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: <000b01ca4dc7$96584b80$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Hi I would am in the same spot with one of my books for school. I did the same thing that was suggested. Can you email me off list? I am also a massage student and I have another suggestion that I think might help you. My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school > Hi Garry, > > In general, older editions of books aren't really a big deal, as long as > you tell your prof. that the pages might not be the same as the ones in > the newer edition. It depends on the subject matter. > > Serena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:37 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school > > >> Hello anybody >> >> My name is Gary. I have had no luck finding accessible audible text >> books for this profession. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go >> about getting them? I have tried the nlsbard catalog, bookshare, and >> RFBD catalog. RFBD might have some of these books, but they are the >> older editions. I hope that someone has some suggestions, or ideas for >> my problem. >> >> Sincerely Gary >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 16 01:43:32 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:43:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Opposing Freedom Scientific's signed Braille Driver Initiative Message-ID: Attention supporters of Braille literacy through electronic Braille and the right for consumer choice. The below link will take you to a petition written by myself and created by the National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science and Open Braille API Initiative. This petition vehemently opposes the Secure and Compatible Braille Display driver signing polacy recently announced by Freedom Scientific. Please follow the below link to read more and if in agreement, show your support by adding your name and optional comments http://www.petitiononline.com/brl4all/petition.html Best Regards, Earle Harrison President Handy Tech North America Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 347-422-7085 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com From docjohnson76 at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 02:26:22 2009 From: docjohnson76 at gmail.com (Ashley Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:26:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving NABS e-mails Message-ID: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.com> I thought I remembered that there is a away to receive the NABS e-mails just once a day, rather than as soon as they are posted. If so, how do I do that? From CDanielsen at nfb.org Fri Oct 16 02:43:39 2009 From: CDanielsen at nfb.org (Danielsen, Chris) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:43:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Presidential Proclamation for White Cane Safety Day Message-ID: Dear Fellow Federationists: Below is the text of this year’s White Cane Safety Day proclamation issued by President Obama. As you will read, the proclamation highlights the importance of Braille literacy. It is clear that our advocacy on this issue is having an impact on policy makers at the highest levels of our government. We continue to accomplish great things for blind Americans. Happy White Cane Safety Day! Sincerely: Chris Danielsen etc. White Cane Safety Day, 2009 By the President of the United States of America A Proclamation All Americans deserve the freedom to participate in every aspect of our society and pursue their full measure of happiness. For blind Americans, the white cane is a potent symbol of that freedom­affording them greater independence and mobility. Today, we renew our commitment to provide full inclusion and equal opportunities for those among us who are blind or have low vision. As Americans, we must nurture a society that values the unique abilities and individual contributions of all its people. Individuals who are blind or have low vision are less constrained and better integrated in our country than ever before, but much work remains to ensure they have the opportunity to reach their full potential. My Administration is committed to securing full and equal access to education and employment for blind Americans and all those with disabilities. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act substantially increased funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, as well as vocational rehabilitation services, including job training, education, and placement. For Americans who are blind or have low vision, a white cane is just one of a wide range of tools that sustain independence and productivity. In recent years, refreshable Braille displays and speech synthesis devices have given these individuals access to the Internet, unlocking a new frontier of limitless possibility. As we encourage the development of new assistive technologies, we must also improve access to existing tools. The Braille code has opened a doorway to literacy for countless individuals, but far too many blind children in our country are not learning to read it. By improving Braille literacy, we will secure a brighter future for these young Americans. In the 45 years since White Cane Safety Day was first proclaimed by President Lyndon Johnson, Americans who are blind or have low vision have achieved substantial progress. As leaders in government and business, academics, and the arts, they have made remarkable contributions to our Nation, proving that sight is no requisite for success. We will continue to strive for a more just and equitable Nation that celebrates diversity in all its forms and promotes the full inclusion of all individuals in our communities. By joint resolution approved on October 6, 1964, (Public Law 88-628, as amended), the Congress designated October 15 of each year as White Cane Safety Day to recognize the contributions of Americans who are blind or have low vision. NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim October 15, 2009, as White Cane Safety Day. I call upon all Americans to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and programs. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fifteenth day of October, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth. From corbbo at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 04:56:57 2009 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:56:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] info on audible text books for massage therapy school In-Reply-To: <54d8179e0910151058i6df35b2ay3482f0bdfef52302@mail.gmail.com> References: <001201ca4da5$02ffedb0$37f95043@Home> <54d8179e0910151058i6df35b2ay3482f0bdfef52302@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <556C8966-04C0-41A7-A2F0-0A026E652881@gmail.com> The local units of RFB&D will record your textbooks if you give them some lead time, your syllabi (so they know what order to read the chapters), and a hard copy of the book. That's what I did for a few of my books this semester. Corbb P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S. coin with full-size Braille on it! On Oct 15, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Justin Young wrote: Well, it depends upon what the books are. I would suggest seeing if RFB&D has it and if they don't then possibly again it would depend upon what the book is, but possibly local Libraries might have them. Justin On 10/15/09, Gary wrote: > Hello anybody > > My name is Gary. I have had no luck finding accessible audible text > books > for this profession. Does anyone have any suggestions on how I go > about > getting them? I have tried the nlsbard catalog, bookshare, and RFBD > catalog. RFBD might have some of these books, but they are the older > editions. I hope that someone has some suggestions, or ideas for my > problem. > > Sincerely Gary > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 07:22:26 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:22:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Presidential Proclamation For White Cane Safety Day Message-ID: <409c235c0910160022kdc1b2b2m37cf5b3caefdd4ab@mail.gmail.com> It's hitting the lists like wild fire, and I am sorry for posting it so late. That said, here it is, you can find it also on the white house website. One more thing... Let's just take a moment and reflect on the power behind these words and just what message this sends. Darian http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Presidential-Proclamation-White-Cane-Safety-Day-2009/ THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release                           October 15, 2009 WHITE CANE SAFETY DAY, 2009 - - - - - - - BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION All Americans deserve the freedom to participate in every aspect of our society and pursue their full measure of happiness. For blind Americans, the white cane is a potent symbol of that freedom -- affording them greater independence and mobility. Today we renew our commitment to provide full inclusion and equal opportunities for those among us who are blind or have low vision. As Americans, we must nurture a society that values the unique abilities and individual contributions of all its people. Individuals who are blind or have low vision are less constrained and better integrated in our country than ever before, but much work remains to ensure they have the opportunity to reach their full potential. My Administrationis committed to securing full and equal access to education and employment for blind Americans and all those with disabilities.The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act substantially increased funding for the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, as well as vocational rehabilitation services,including job training, education, and placement. For Americans who are blind or have low vision, a white cane is just one of a wide range of tools that sustain independence and productivity. In recent years, refreshable Braille displays and speech synthesis devices have given theseindividuals access to the Internet, unlocking a new frontier of limitless possibility. As we encourage the development of new assistive technologies, we must also improve access to existingtools. The Braille code has opened a doorway to literacy for countless individuals, but far too many blind children in our country are not learning to read it. By improving Braille literacy, we will secure a brighter future for these young Americans. In the 45 years since White Cane Safety Day was first proclaimed by President Lyndon Johnson, Americans who are blind or have low vision have achieved substantial progress. As leaders in government and business, academics, and the arts, they have made remarkable contributions to our Nation, proving that sight is no requisite for success. We will continue to strive for a more just and equitable Nation that celebrates diversity in all its forms and promotes the full inclusion of all individuals in our communities. By joint resolution approved on October 6, 1964 (Public Law 88-628, as amended), the Congress designated October 15 of each year as White Cane Safety Day to recognize the contributions of Americans who are blind or have low vision. NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim October 15, 2009, as White Cane Safety Day. I call upon all Americans to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies, activities, and programs. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this fifteenth day of October, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth. BARACK OBAMA # # # -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 07:28:10 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:28:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving NABS e-mails In-Reply-To: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <409c235c0910160028k6cab1714v87f615e3be22dd49@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ashley, yes, this is easily done. If you go to your personal nabs-l member page at http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/docjohnson76%40gmail.com On 10/15/09, Ashley Johnson wrote: > I thought I remembered that there is a away to receive the NABS e-mails just > once a day, rather than as soon as they are posted. If so, how do I do > that? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 07:36:02 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:36:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving NABS e-mails In-Reply-To: <409c235c0910160028k6cab1714v87f615e3be22dd49@mail.gmail.com> References: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.com> <409c235c0910160028k6cab1714v87f615e3be22dd49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <409c235c0910160036n51b53f8fm23f379498d79bf3d@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the cut off... So, if you go to the address that was posted in the last message I sent, ( the same link actually can be found at the end of any of the messages you get from the list-serve) enter your password and then switch your delivery mode to "digest mode". That should give you a batch of E-mails as opposed to the multiple E-mails you get right now. I hope that helps, Best, Darian p.s. the member page's url is fairly simple, though not worth trying to remember because of all of the numbers and letters and tech speak. I just was able to switch your E-mail address in where mine was to give you the link in the last message On 10/16/09, Darian Smith wrote: > Hi Ashley, > yes, this is easily done. If you go to your personal nabs-l member page > at > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/docjohnson76%40gmail.com > > > On 10/15/09, Ashley Johnson wrote: >> I thought I remembered that there is a away to receive the NABS e-mails >> just >> once a day, rather than as soon as they are posted. If so, how do I do >> that? >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching > before us; > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe > past and future generations, > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be > done, and > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama > -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com Fri Oct 16 16:43:28 2009 From: coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com (Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 12:43:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition Message-ID: <9464FDDC9402429D931BD4D550F52DE6@CBVIED06D8FFB5> Hi list this is Alex Kaiser. I wrote a petition. plese check it out and sign if you want to support the cause. The cause is to prevent in state agencies for the blind created by the divisions of human services of states not to reject providing funding to their clientss for attending National Federation of the blind training centers. Please check this out and sign to support this cause. Visit the following website: http://gopetition.com/online/31453.html Please read and sign carefully your signature is going to the whitehouse. From, Alex From empower at smart.net Fri Oct 16 18:32:03 2009 From: empower at smart.net (Jamal Mazrui) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:32:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] McTwit 2.5 released Message-ID: McTwit Version 2.5 October 15, 2009 McTwit is a free, open source client for Twitter -- the second-most popular networking site after Facebook. McTwit works on almost any version of Windows, including 64-bit versions and the new Windows 7. The text-based nature of Twitter and its open programming interface has enabled McTwit to become a full-featured client that is keyboard and screen reader-friendly. An executable installer is available at http://EmpowermentZone.com/mtsetup.exe A zip archive that may be extracted onto portable media is available at http://EmpowermentZone.com/mtsetup.zip McTwit now has a greatly expanded Utilities menu. It offers handy ways of getting useful information, which is obtained mostly from third-party web services rather than from twitter.com, itself. Most are still directly Twitter-related, though a few are general-purpose conveniences. The new utilities are as follows: Common URLs - Show a list of the 100 most commonly referenced URLs on Twitter at the time. These typically point to news stories that people have been retweeting. Driving Directions - Input a starting and ending location, and get a list of steps to get there by car (a blind person might share this with a friend or cab driver). The location may be specified as a street address in any country. Feed Find - Get a list of RSS and ATOM feeds made available by a web site, e.g., by pointing to a URL in a tweet. A hotkey then lets you open a feed at the cursor position. Hash Tag Lookup - Get definitions of hash tags (a word preceded by the # symbol). People on Twitter use these to annotate messages for easier categorizing and searching. Language Translation - Translate a tweet in another language, or any text you specify, between about 100 different languages. You can quickly understand what a foreign phrase means or how to write it. Members of Congress - Get a list of House and Senate members for a zip code, with various data about them including committee assignments and contact information, including Twitter screen name if available. Neighborhood Search - Search for places near a location, e.g., restaurants with a particular cuisine near an address you are visiting (anywhere in the world). Original URL - Get the original version of a URL that was shortened for sharing in a tweet. People Search - Search for people on Twitter, e.g., an old classmate to reconnect with. Short URL - Get a shortened version of a URL so you can share it in a tweet and have more text to type within the 140 character limit. Trend Topics - Get a list of topics that are currently popular on Twitter. User Stats - Get a variety of statistics about a user, e.g., average tweets per day and hash tags used, in order to help you decide whether to follow him or her on Twitter. Weather Check - Get a summary of current and forecasted conditions for any location. Jamal From lemberg1 at optonline.net Fri Oct 16 18:37:18 2009 From: lemberg1 at optonline.net (Gary) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:37:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible massage therapy textbooks Message-ID: <001601ca4e8f$b0b0d830$37f95043@Home> Hello again Everyone. I was wondering if anyone knows of any organization that would have audible books for massage therapy schools? I have tried some websites, but I haven't found any that what I need. Sincerely Gary Lemberg From dandrews at visi.com Fri Oct 16 18:53:24 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:53:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving NABS e-mails In-Reply-To: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.co m> References: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is, at the bottom of each message is a link to your options page. Go there and change to "digest mode." Dave At 09:26 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: >I thought I remembered that there is a away to receive the NABS e-mails just >once a day, rather than as soon as they are posted. If so, how do I do >that? >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4512 (20091015) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Oct 16 19:27:04 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:27:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible massage therapy textbooks References: <001601ca4e8f$b0b0d830$37f95043@Home> Message-ID: <000b01ca4e96$a5f29580$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Hi Gary, email me off list. I am also a massage therapy student I have an idea that I think might help you. My email address is raniaismail04 at gmail.com Hope i can be of some help. Rania,-- Original Message ----- From: "Gary" To: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 2:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] accessible massage therapy textbooks > Hello again Everyone. I was wondering if anyone knows of any organization > that would have audible books for massage therapy schools? I have tried > some websites, but I haven't found any that what I need. > > Sincerely Gary Lemberg > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From aec732 at msn.com Fri Oct 16 21:55:07 2009 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:55:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] audible textbooks for massage therapists In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary": What are the titles, authors and copyrights/editions of the books you need? RFB&D's libbrary has been a resource for many many blind massage students and therapists. We'll find them for you. Thanks, Annemarie Cooke RFB&D consultant From docjohnson76 at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 02:02:57 2009 From: docjohnson76 at gmail.com (Ashley Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:02:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Receiving NABS e-mails In-Reply-To: References: <3d4927ff0910151926i53cec94fs37d681c1b29e59dd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3d4927ff0910161902m442b30f1r573f637f2a24ec3@mail.gmail.com> Thanks so much for the info. I think it worked! Ashley On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 2:53 PM, David Andrews wrote: > There is, at the bottom of each message is a link to your options page. Go > there and change to "digest mode." > > Dave > > > At 09:26 PM 10/15/2009, you wrote: > >> I thought I remembered that there is a away to receive the NABS e-mails >> just >> once a day, rather than as soon as they are posted. If so, how do I do >> that? >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4512 (20091015) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/docjohnson76%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 02:38:07 2009 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:38:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition In-Reply-To: <9464FDDC9402429D931BD4D550F52DE6@CBVIED06D8FFB5> References: <9464FDDC9402429D931BD4D550F52DE6@CBVIED06D8FFB5> Message-ID: <20091017023807.GE95884@yumi.bluecherry.net> Hey Alex, I love the content of this petition, but when I read it back, it does not seem to be targeted in such a way that it is likely to obtain and retain politicians' attention, given that the staffers who read it likely know very little about about the blind. There are a lot of people here on this list, and elsewhere in the NFB, who have a lot of skill at crafting an effective message to sighted politicians. Would you be willing to withdraw the petition for the time being and post its text here for review, discussion, and perhaps some revision? I hope that in doing so, we might all learn something about how it's done effectively from the Federation's experts on the subject, and at the same time deliver a message to Washington they cannot ignore. What do you think? Joseph -- How many children in America are not taught how to read? If they are blind, the answer is 90%--more than 52,000 children! Find out how you can help: http://www.braille.org/ On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:43:28PM -0400, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >Hi list this is Alex Kaiser. I wrote a petition. plese check it out and sign if you want to support the cause. The cause is to prevent in state agencies for the blind created by the divisions of human services of states not to reject providing funding to their clientss for attending National Federation of the blind training centers. Please check this out and sign to support this cause. Visit the following website: >http://gopetition.com/online/31453.html >Please read and sign carefully your signature is going to the whitehouse. >From, >Alex >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From carlos.montas at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 12:54:10 2009 From: carlos.montas at gmail.com (Carlos J montas) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 07:54:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] online classes and the contract management support program Message-ID: Good morning to all of you. My name is Carlos J Montas. I do not post much on the list but I am a returning student. I am a recent graduate of the Louisiana center for the blind, and I wanted to see if any of you had some advice on the topic of online classes. I am wondering if there is any one who has completed the contract management support program training which is being offered by National industries for the blind? IF so, please feel free to contact me off list at carlos.montas at gmail.com What are some helpful strategies that can assist me in successfully completing online classes? For example, what is a good way of taking notes? Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Carlos J Montas From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 13:59:47 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 08:59:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition References: <9464FDDC9402429D931BD4D550F52DE6@CBVIED06D8FFB5> Message-ID: Mr. Kaiser, Although many state agencies try to refuse funding to students who which to go out of state for training to places such as our NFB centers, Informed Choice Act already allows one to get training through any facility or institution which would best meet their needs. Many people do not not know about this right and so rehab agencies use this lack of information against them. Sincerely, Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser" To: Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition > Hi list this is Alex Kaiser. I wrote a petition. plese check it out and > sign if you want to support the cause. The cause is to prevent in state > agencies for the blind created by the divisions of human services of > states not to reject providing funding to their clientss for attending > National Federation of the blind training centers. Please check this out > and sign to support this cause. Visit the following website: > http://gopetition.com/online/31453.html > Please read and sign carefully your signature is going to the whitehouse. > From, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From jaedpo96 at aol.com Sat Oct 17 15:37:26 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] electronicsfortheblind spanish on the braille note In-Reply-To: <59f25cdf0910132011r2cfc26dax6ab6fa57cb5eec11@mail.gmail.com> References: <59f25cdf0910132011r2cfc26dax6ab6fa57cb5eec11@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC1D56DCACCED1-53D4-A646@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> Thanks for your help. I still can't figure out how to do the capital sign. I tried dot 6 and it sead underline. My vision teacher though it was dots 46, but I tried that and it sead left brace. When I tried dots 256 for the period, it sead star. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Postlethwait To: jaedpo96 at aol.com Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:11 pm Subject: Re: electronicsfortheblind spanish on the braille note Hi, When you use Spanish on the BrailleNote, there are certain keys you have to press for the accent signs. For example, when you are doing a-acute, you'll want to press 1-2-3-4-5-8. For u-acute, you would press the with sign plus dot 8. For o-acute, it would ing sign plus dot 8. You probably notice by now that you have to use dot 8 every time you try to type in a letter with an accent. It's a little funny, but that's how it is. lol Let me know if you have any further questions. -Michael On 10/13/09, Polansky wrote: > > Hi everybody. I just got my braille note updated to version 8. I > changed the language to spanish. I also changed the computer braille > table to spanish. I changed it to 8 dot computer braille instead of 6 > dot computer braille. I tried to type something in spanish and it > didn't take the accent signs. It also didn't take some of the > punctuation signs. Can you tell me how you do the accent signs? And if > I set everything the right way. My vision teacher told me how to set > it, but she doesn't know a whole lot about the spanish program on the > braille note. She has had a student that had a braille note that took > Frinch, and it worked well for her. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: ANY REPLIES GENERATED WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL > SENDER. IF YOU FEEL THE GROUP SHOULD BE ENFORMED, PLEASE USE THE "REPLY ALL" > COMMAND TO INITIATE THIS ACTION. > > Thank You. > > Electronicsfortheblind mailing list hosted by Zach, David and Kayleigh > To send messages click below: > electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com > If you need a staff member of this group, click below: > moderators.electronics at gmail.com > (checked every 12 hours.) > > to unsubscribe from this googlegroup click below: > electronicsfortheblind+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > = From jaedpo96 at aol.com Sat Oct 17 15:59:21 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:59:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] electronicsfortheblind Re: spanish on the braille note In-Reply-To: <4ad9e61d.0ec5100a.2701.ffffd374@mx.google.com> References: <4ad9e61d.0ec5100a.2701.ffffd374@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CC1D59ECF39691-53D4-AA8A@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> No I didn't try that. Let me get my braille note and I'll tell you if it worked. backspace with dot 6 sead no break space. backspace with backspacewith dots 46 sead up and right light what ever that means. backspace with dots 256 sead power of n. -----Original Message----- From: Zach - Moderator To: jaedpo96 at aol.com; mpostlet at gmail.com Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2009 11:43 am Subject: re: electronicsfortheblind Re: spanish on the braille note Did you try dot 7 before the sign you require? > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Polansky To: mpostlet at gmail.com >Date sent: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:37:26 -0400 >Subject: electronicsfortheblind Re: spanish on the braille note >Thanks for your help. I still can't figure out how to do the capital >sign. I tried dot 6 and it sead underline. My vision teacher though it >was dots 46, but I tried that and it sead left brace. When I tried dots >256 for the period, it sead star. >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Postlethwait To: jaedpo96 at aol.com >Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com >Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:11 pm >Subject: Re: electronicsfortheblind spanish on the braille note >Hi, >When you use Spanish on the BrailleNote, there are certain keys you >have to press for the accent signs. For example, when you are doing >a-acute, you'll want to press 1-2-3-4-5-8. For u-acute, you would >press the with sign plus dot 8. For o-acute, it would ing sign plus >dot 8. You probably notice by now that you have to use dot 8 every >time you try to type in a letter with an accent. It's a little funny, >but that's how it is. lol Let me know if you have any further >questions. >-Michael >On 10/13/09, Polansky wrote: >> Hi everybody. I just got my braille note updated to version 8. I >> changed the language to spanish. I also changed the computer braille >> table to spanish. I changed it to 8 dot computer braille instead of 6 >> dot computer braille. I tried to type something in spanish and it >> didn't take the accent signs. It also didn't take some of the >> punctuation signs. Can you tell me how you do the accent signs? And if >> I set everything the right way. My vision teacher told me how to set >> it, but she doesn't know a whole lot about the spanish program on the >> braille note. She has had a student that had a braille note that took >> Frinch, and it worked well for her. >= >--~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ >IMPORTANT NOTICE: ANY REPLIES GENERATED WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL SENDER. IF YOU FEEL THE GROUP SHOULD BE ENFORMED, PLEASE USE THE "REPLY ALL" COMMAND TO INITIATE THIS ACTION. >Thank You. >Electronicsfortheblind mailing list hosted by Zach, David and Kayleigh >To send messages click below: >electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com >If you need a staff member of this group, click below: >moderators.electronics at gmail.com >(checked every 12 hours.) >to unsubscribe from this googlegroup click below: >electronicsfortheblind+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com >-~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- From jaedpo96 at aol.com Sat Oct 17 16:13:29 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:13:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] electronicsfortheblind Re: spanish on the braille note In-Reply-To: <59f25cdf0910170901y7d1d5f41x113a1f4ebb70e625@mail.gmail.com> References: <59f25cdf0910170901y7d1d5f41x113a1f4ebb70e625@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC1D5BE5F8AEF1-53D4-ACD1@webmail-d004.sysops.aol.com> Thank you Michael, I tried that and it worked just fine. How do you know all this? -----Original Message----- From: Michael Postlethwait To: jaedpo96 at aol.com Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Oct 17, 2009 12:01 pm Subject: Re: electronicsfortheblind Re: spanish on the braille note Those are not the right keys for the capital sign. The capital sign in the Spanish language is actually dot 7 plus the letter you want to type. The period is dot 3. -Michael On 10/17/09, Polansky wrote: > > Thanks for your help. I still can't figure out how to do the capital > sign. I tried dot 6 and it sead underline. My vision teacher though it > was dots 46, but I tried that and it sead left brace. When I tried dots > 256 for the period, it sead star. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Postlethwait > To: jaedpo96 at aol.com > Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com > Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 11:11 pm > Subject: Re: electronicsfortheblind spanish on the braille note > > Hi, > > When you use Spanish on the BrailleNote, there are certain keys you > have to press for the accent signs. For example, when you are doing > a-acute, you'll want to press 1-2-3-4-5-8. For u-acute, you would > press the with sign plus dot 8. For o-acute, it would ing sign plus > dot 8. You probably notice by now that you have to use dot 8 every > time you try to type in a letter with an accent. It's a little funny, > but that's how it is. lol Let me know if you have any further > questions. > > -Michael > > On 10/13/09, Polansky wrote: >> >> Hi everybody. I just got my braille note updated to version 8. I >> changed the language to spanish. I also changed the computer braille >> table to spanish. I changed it to 8 dot computer braille instead of 6 >> dot computer braille. I tried to type something in spanish and it >> didn't take the accent signs. It also didn't take some of the >> punctuation signs. Can you tell me how you do the accent signs? And if >> I set everything the right way. My vision teacher told me how to set >> it, but she doesn't know a whole lot about the spanish program on the >> braille note. She has had a student that had a braille note that took >> Frinch, and it worked well for her. >> >> >> > >> > > > = > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: ANY REPLIES GENERATED WILL GO DIRECTLY TO THE ORIGINAL > SENDER. IF YOU FEEL THE GROUP SHOULD BE ENFORMED, PLEASE USE THE "REPLY ALL" > COMMAND TO INITIATE THIS ACTION. > > Thank You. > > Electronicsfortheblind mailing list hosted by Zach, David and Kayleigh > To send messages click below: > electronicsfortheblind at googlegroups.com > If you need a staff member of this group, click below: > moderators.electronics at gmail.com > (checked every 12 hours.) > > to unsubscribe from this googlegroup click below: > electronicsfortheblind+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- > > From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 17:30:07 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:30:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition References: <9464FDDC9402429D931BD4D550F52DE6@CBVIED06D8FFB5> Message-ID: a couple of years ago someone tol me that in my state of kentucky it may go to court -Teal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition > Mr. Kaiser, > > Although many state agencies try to refuse funding to students who which > to go out of state for training to places such as our NFB centers, > Informed Choice Act already allows one to get training through any > facility or institution which would best meet their needs. Many people do > not not know about this right and so rehab agencies use this lack of > information against them. > > Sincerely, > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:43 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition > > >> Hi list this is Alex Kaiser. I wrote a petition. plese check it out and >> sign if you want to support the cause. The cause is to prevent in state >> agencies for the blind created by the divisions of human services of >> states not to reject providing funding to their clientss for attending >> National Federation of the blind training centers. Please check this out >> and sign to support this cause. Visit the following website: >> http://gopetition.com/online/31453.html >> Please read and sign carefully your signature is going to the whitehouse. >> From, >> Alex >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Oct 17 20:48:05 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:48:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Princeton University Summer Journalism Program, Summer 2010, Application Process [1 Attachment] Message-ID: "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado _____ From: Brookland at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Brookland at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Vinson Brannum Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:30 PM To: Robert Vinson Brannum Subject: [Brookland] Princeton University Summer Journalism Program, Summer 2010, Application Process [1 Attachment] The Princeton University Summer Journalism Program Dear School Administrator / Teacher, If you are a teacher, we ask that you encourage your students to apply to this all-expenses-paid program at Princeton University. If you are an administrator, we ask that you help us spread the word by publishing an announcement to teachers or other administrators who might know students who would be interested in applying. See below for more information. We are writing to inform you about an all-expenses-paid summer program for high school student journalists from low-income backgrounds that will take place for 10 days in August on the campus of Princeton University. The program is entering its ninth year; since 2002, more than 165 students from high schools across the country have been selected to participate in the program. They were taught by journalists from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Miami Herald, The New Republic and The New Yorker; they covered Yankees, Mets, Jets and Liberty games and held a press conference with New Jersey's secretary of state; they met with Princeton University's president and dean of admissions; they received counseling on their college applications from our staff, which consists of Princeton University alumni and undergraduates; and they published their own newspaper. We hope that you will consider nominating some of your students to participate in this exciting program for aspiring young journalists. Below is a quick list of instructions and pointers for having your students fill out the applications: Please feel free to nominate as many students as you have who are interested. We will happily accept several students from the same school, so there is no need to worry about your own students competing for slots in the program. The application process will take place in two parts. For the first part, students should fill out the attached application, and then email it to sjpapplication@ gmail.com as a Microsoft Word attachment. (If the student does not have access to Microsoft Word, the student should just copy and paste the text of the application into an email.) Before emailing us the application, students should name the document using the following format: Lastname.Firstname.doc. So, if the student's name is Mary Jones, the title of the document will be Jones.Mary.doc. In addition, the student should type his or her name and high school in the body of the email and put only the name of the Word document (e.g., Jones.Mary.doc) in the subject line of the email. We must receive the application by 11:59 p.m. ET on February 5, 2010. No extensions will be given for any reason. In the second round of the application process, finalists will be interviewed by the program directors-either in person or over the phone-and they will be asked to provide printed copies of the following items via U.S. mail: an official transcript; the first page of the 2008 (or 2009, if available) income-tax return form (the 1040 or 1040EZ form) of their custodial parent(s)/guardian(s), or a signed statement by their parent(s)/guardian(s) saying that their income is below the level at which they would be required to file income tax returns; a recommendation letter from a teacher; and clips from their high school newspaper or other publication (optional). To be eligible for the program, students must meet the following qualifications: - They must currently be juniors in high school. - They must live in the continental United States. - They must have at least an unweighted 3.5 grade point average (out of 4.0). - They must have an interest in journalism. - The combined income of their custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child support payments, if any, must not exceed $45,000. Note: This program is for students from low-income backgrounds. If the combined income of the custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child support payments, if any, exceeds $45,000 and a student still wishes to apply, he or she may attach a letter explaining why his or her family qualifies as financially under-resourced. If you have questions, the best way to reach us is via email at sjp at princeton. edu. Please note that applications should be sent to sjpapplication@ gmail.com, which is a GMAIL address. Questions should be sent to sjp at princeton. edu, which is a PRINCETON address. All application materials-as well as additional information about the program-are available at www.princeton. edu/sjp. A final word: We know that the process of applying to any selective program can be stressful, not to mention a lot of work-for students as well as their teachers. But, over the years, the students we have had come through our program have told us that, ultimately, the work they put into their application was worth it. For students without access to Microsoft Word, we are pasting in the application text below. Thank you. The Princeton University Summer Journalism Program 220 Nassau Hall Princeton University Princeton, NJ 08544 www.princeton. edu/sjp Dear Applicant: Thank you for your interest in the Princeton University Summer Journalism Program. We're looking forward to reading your application and, if you are selected for the program, getting to know you this summer. What is the Princeton University Summer Journalism Program? We welcome about 20 high school students from low-income backgrounds every summer to Princeton's campus for an intensive, 10-day seminar on journalism. After the program ends, counselors stay in touch with students to help guide them through the college admissions process. Counselors assist students in preparing for standardized tests, determining an appropriate list of colleges to apply to, and filling out applications and financial aid forms. The program's goal is to diversify college and professional newsrooms by encouraging outstanding students from low-income backgrounds to pursue careers in journalism. All expenses, including students' travel costs to and from Princeton, are paid for by the program. Students who attend the program come from across the country. The program will enter its ninth summer in 2010. What is the program like? Classes at the program are taught by reporters and editors from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New Republic, The New Yorker, CNN and ABC News, among other media outlets. Students tour the Times and CNN; cover a professional sports event (in past years, a Yankees, Mets, Jets or Liberty game); cover news events in the Princeton area; film and produce a TV segment; and report, write, edit and design their own newspaper, The Princeton Summer Journal, which is published on the program's last day. The program is also designed to give students a taste of what life is like at one of the best colleges in the country-students live on campus and eat in one of the university's cafeterias-and to prepare them to apply to top schools. Students meet with Princeton's top professors as well as the school's president and its dean of admissions. Students attend seminars on every aspect of the college admissions process. They also take a practice SAT and attend an SAT class taught by Princeton Review. After students return home, program staff remain in contact with them, assisting them during the college application process and helping them to apply for journalism internships once they are in college. What have our students accomplished? More than 165 students have graduated from our program during the past eight years, and many return each summer to serve as mentors to our current students. We are proud of their academic and journalistic accomplishments. Four of our alumni are currently enrolled at Princeton. Others have gone on to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, the University of Pennsylvania, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, Georgetown, Bowdoin, the University of Virginia, Johns Hopkins, New York University and many other selective schools. Their work has been published in college newspapers across the country, including The Daily Princetonian, The Yale Daily News, The Brown Daily Herald, The Columbia Spectator, The Cornell Daily Sun and The Bowdoin Orient. Our alumni have also landed jobs or internships at The New York Times, The New Republic, The Philadelphia Daily News, NBC and CBS, among other outlets. Alumni reflections on the program can be found here. Who is eligible? This program is intended for low-income students with excellent academic records who are committed to pursuing a career in journalism. To apply for the program, you must meet the following qualifications: - You must currently be a junior in high school. - You must live in the continental United States. - You must have at least an unweighted 3.5 grade point average (out of 4.0). - You must have an interest in journalism. - The combined income of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child support payments, if any, must not exceed $45,000. Note: This program is for students from under-resourced financial backgrounds. If the combined income of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child support payments, if any, exceeds $45,000 and you still wish to apply, you may attach a statement explaining why you believe your family qualifies as financially under-resourced. How to apply. The application process consists of two rounds. For the first round, fill out the application below, and then email it to sjpapplication@ gmail.com as a Microsoft Word attachment. (If you do not have Microsoft Word, please just paste the text of your application into the body of the email.) Before emailing us the application, please name the document using the following format: Lastname.Firstname.doc. So, if your name is Mary Jones, the title of your document will be Jones.Mary.doc. In addition, type your name, the name of your high school (including the city and state location) and the email address where you would like to be contacted in the body of your email and put only the name of the Word document (e.g., Jones.Mary.doc) in the subject line of the email. We must receive your application by 11:59 p.m. ET on February 5, 2010. No extensions will be given for any reason. After we receive the first round of applications, we will select a group to proceed to the second round. If you are selected for the second round, the program directors will arrange to interview you-either by phone or in person-and we will also ask you to mail us printed copies of the following documents: - Your official high school transcript - The first page of the income-tax return form (the 1040 or 1040EZ form) for the calendar year 2008 of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s); or a signed statement by your parent(s)/guardian(s) saying that their income is below the level at which they would be required to file income tax returns. (If the form for calendar year 2009 is available, you may send that instead.) - A recommendation letter from a teacher - Clips from your high school newspaper or other publication (if you have them) Note: From the time they are notified that they have made it to the second round, applicants will have about two weeks to mail these items to us. Here are some tips about the application process: 1. When sending us your application or when contacting us for any reason, use an email address to which you will have regular access throughout the application process. Do not change your email address or stop checking email in the middle of the application process. 2. Send all applications to sjpapplication@ gmail.com - please note that this is a GMAIL address. Send all questions about the program to sjp at princeton. edu - please note that this is a PRINCETON address. 3. Proofread and edit your application carefully before submitting. 4. Most importantly, this program is for students who are interested in journalism-who are planning to write for their college newspapers and who are at least strongly considering an eventual career in journalism. Every year, we receive applications from students who are smart and talented-but who are not really interested in journalism. Apply to this program only if you are serious about pursuing a career in journalism. A final word: We know that the process of applying to any selective program can be stressful, not to mention a lot of work. But, over the years, the students we have had come through our program have told us that, ultimately, the work they put into their application was worth it. The program directors are all looking forward to reading your application. If we can answer any question along the way, don't hesitate to contact us. The best way to reach us is at sjp at princeton. edu. Sincerely, Program Staff THE PRINCETON UNIVERSITY SUMMER JOURNALISM PROGRAM APPLICATION FOR SUMMER 2010 Please fill in the blanks below: Name: High School: Home Phone Number: Mobile Phone Number (if available): Street Address: Apartment Number: City: State: Zip Code: Email: Birth Date (Month, Date, Year): High school grade point average through end of the first semester of your junior year (on a 4.0 scale) (We want the aggregate GPA for high school and not just the GPA from the most recent semester alone.) Unweighted: Weighted: List all your extracurricular activities (both at school and outside it) in order of importance to you. Please do not use acronyms when listing your activities: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. Your favorite journalistic publication: Your favorite book: Your favorite movie: Your favorite quotation: Name one person you consider a hero: Please briefly write about your summer activities during the past three years. Please be specific with the exact name of the camp/program/employer and the dates of attendance/employment. Write two or three sentences about what you did. Name of Mother or Legal Guardian 1 (indicate relationship if Legal Guardian): Occupation: Employer: Education (type an "X" next to one of the following): a. high school degree b. some college c. associate's degree d. bachelor's degree e. graduate degree Name of college attended (if any): Degree/year: Name of graduate school attended (if any): Degree/year: Is this parent living (type "Yes" or "No"): Is this parent your legal guardian (type "Yes" or "No"): Name of Father or Legal Guardian 2 (indicate relationship if Legal Guardian): Occupation: Employer: Education (type an "X" next to one of the following): a. high school degree b. some college c. associate's degree d. bachelor's degree e. graduate degree Name of college attended (if any): Degree/year: Name of graduate school attended (if any): Degree/year: Is this parent living (type "Yes" or "No"): Is this parent your legal guardian (type "Yes" or "No"): Please list the names and ages of all your siblings, and indicate if they have attended a college: Name Age College (if any) Graduation Year Number of custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) (answer "one" or "two"): If you answered "one" above, write the total income from 2008 (or 2009, if available) of your parent/guardian here (this is the number that appears in the bottom right-hand corner of the first page of his or her 1040 or 1040EZ form): If you answered "two" above, do they file income taxes jointly or separately? (answer "jointly" or "separately"): If you answered "two" and "jointly" above, write the total income from 2008 (or 2009, if available) of your parents/guardians here (this is the number that appears in the bottom right-hand corner of the first page of their 1040 or 1040EZ form): If you answered "two" AND "separately" above, write the total income from 2008 (or 2009, if available) for each of your parents/guardians here (these are the numbers that appear in the bottom right-hand corners of the first pages of their 1040 or 1040EZ forms) Parent/guardian 1: Parent/guardian 2: If your parent(s)/guardian(s) receives child support from a non-custodial parent/guardian, state the amount per year of those child support payments: If your parent(s)/guardian(s) is not required to file income tax returns because his or her income is below the level at which he or she would be required to file an income tax return, please type an "X" here: Note: This program is for students from under-resourced financial backgrounds. If the combined income of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child support payments, if any, exceeds $45,000, please include a brief statement here explaining why you believe your family qualifies as financially under-resourced: Essay 1: In about 150 words, tell us about a newspaper or magazine article you've read recently that impacted you deeply, and why it had an effect on you. Essay 2: In about 150 words, tell us why you are interested in pursuing journalism as a career. Article: Take an issue, a trend, a phenomenon, a group or an important person in your local community, and write an article about it, her or him. This is a chance for you to show off your skills as a journalist. Your article may take the form of a news piece, a feature story, a profile or an opinion piece-at the top of the article, please specify which type of article you are writing. It should be about 400 words in length. Recent Activity * 11 New Members * 3 New Photos Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4516 (20091016) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Sun Oct 18 01:04:31 2009 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:04:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <583552ADC9CA4E6185C93086DAAB47FF@VALUED04C3B21F> Good afternoon NABS members, I am writing on behalf of the Student Slate committee looking for people who would be interested in helping out with the Slate. We will be having a conference call on Tuesday night at 9:00 eastern. Anybody who might be interested in helping us put together future issues of the Slate are most welcome to join us on the call. The phone number we will be using is 712 775-7100 and the conference code is 257963. We look forward to speaking with anybody who is interested in helping out. And, in the mean while, if anybody has any questions, comments, or suggestions for articles, please feel free to email me directly at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. Many thanks and we look forward to hearing from you. Take care, Sean Whalen From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Oct 18 03:21:26 2009 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:21:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Princeton University Summer Journalism Program, Summer 2010, Application Process [1 Attachment] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow! This sounds like a great oppurtunity. I would apply for it myself except for the fact that they only allow high school students to apply for this program. Hopefully others on the list can take advantage of this program. Good luck to anyone who decides to apply. Elizabeth > From: jsorozco at gmail.com > To: arizona-students at nfbnet.org; cabs-talk at nfbnet.org; ccb-alumni at nfbnet.org; cabs at nfbnet.org; fabs at nfbnet.org; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; kabs at nfbnet.org; nfbkabs at nfbnet.org; la-students at nfbnet.org; mi-abs at nfbnet.org; mn-abs at nfbnet.org; mabs at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nebraska-students at nfbnet.org; new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org; njabs-talk at nfbnet.org; ncabs at nfbnet.org; oabs at nfbnet.org; nfbofpa at att.net; Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; tabs_students at googlegroups.com; tabs at nfbnet.org; uabs at nfbnet.org; vabs at nfbnet.org > Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:48:05 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Princeton University Summer Journalism Program, Summer 2010, Application Process [1 Attachment] > > > > > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the > crowd."--Max Lucado > > > > _____ > > From: Brookland at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Brookland at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf > Of Robert Vinson Brannum > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:30 PM > To: Robert Vinson Brannum > Subject: [Brookland] Princeton University Summer Journalism Program, Summer > 2010, Application Process [1 Attachment] > > > > The Princeton University Summer Journalism Program > > > Dear School Administrator / Teacher, > > If you are a teacher, we ask that you encourage your students to apply to > this all-expenses-paid program at Princeton University. If you are an > administrator, we ask that you help us spread the word by publishing an > announcement to teachers or other administrators who might know students who > would be interested in applying. See below for more information. > > We are writing to inform you about an all-expenses-paid summer program for > high school student journalists from low-income backgrounds that will take > place for 10 days in August on the campus of Princeton University. The > program is entering its ninth year; since 2002, more than 165 students from > high schools across the country have been selected to participate in the > program. They were taught by journalists from The New York Times, The > Washington Post, The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Miami Herald, The New > Republic and The New Yorker; they covered Yankees, Mets, Jets and Liberty > games and held a press conference with New Jersey's secretary of state; they > met with Princeton University's president and dean of admissions; they > received counseling on their college applications from our staff, which > consists of Princeton University alumni and undergraduates; and they > published their own newspaper. We hope that you will consider nominating > some of your students to participate in this exciting program for aspiring > young journalists. > > Below is a quick list of instructions and pointers for having your students > fill out the applications: > > Please feel free to nominate as many students as you have who are > interested. We will happily accept several students from the same school, so > there is no need to worry about your own students competing for slots in the > program. > > The application process will take place in two parts. For the first part, > students should fill out the attached application, and then email it to > sjpapplication@ gmail.com as a Microsoft > Word attachment. (If the student does not have access to Microsoft Word, the > student should just copy and paste the text of the application into an > email.) Before emailing us the application, students should name the > document using the following format: Lastname.Firstname.doc. So, if the > student's name is Mary Jones, the title of the document will be > Jones.Mary.doc. In addition, the student should type his or her name and > high school in the body of the email and put only the name of the Word > document (e.g., Jones.Mary.doc) in the subject line of the email. We must > receive the application by 11:59 p.m. ET on February 5, 2010. No extensions > will be given for any reason. > > In the second round of the application process, finalists will be > interviewed by the program directors-either in person or over the phone-and > they will be asked to provide printed copies of the following items via U.S. > mail: an official transcript; the first page of the 2008 (or 2009, if > available) income-tax return form (the 1040 or 1040EZ form) of their > custodial parent(s)/guardian(s), or a signed statement by their > parent(s)/guardian(s) saying that their income is below the level at which > they would be required to file income tax returns; a recommendation letter > from a teacher; and clips from their high school newspaper or other > publication (optional). > > To be eligible for the program, students must meet the following > qualifications: > - They must currently be juniors in high school. > - They must live in the continental United States. > - They must have at least an unweighted 3.5 grade point average (out of > 4.0). > - They must have an interest in journalism. > - The combined income of their custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child > support payments, if any, must not exceed $45,000. > Note: This program is for students from low-income backgrounds. If the > combined income of the custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child support > payments, if any, exceeds $45,000 and a student still wishes to apply, he or > she may attach a letter explaining why his or her family qualifies as > financially under-resourced. > > If you have questions, the best way to reach us is via email at > sjp at princeton. edu. Please note that applications > should be sent to sjpapplication@ > gmail.com, which is a GMAIL address. Questions should be sent to > sjp at princeton. edu, which is a PRINCETON address. > > All application materials-as well as additional information about the > program-are available at www.princeton. > edu/sjp. > > A final word: We know that the process of applying to any selective program > can be stressful, not to mention a lot of work-for students as well as their > teachers. But, over the years, the students we have had come through our > program have told us that, ultimately, the work they put into their > application was worth it. > > For students without access to Microsoft Word, we are pasting in the > application text below. Thank you. > > > The Princeton University Summer Journalism Program > > 220 Nassau Hall Princeton University Princeton, NJ 08544 www.princeton. > edu/sjp > > > Dear Applicant: > > Thank you for your interest in the Princeton University Summer Journalism > Program. We're looking forward to reading your application and, if you are > selected for the program, getting to know you this summer. > > What is the Princeton University Summer Journalism Program? We welcome about > 20 high school students from low-income backgrounds every summer to > Princeton's campus for an intensive, 10-day seminar on journalism. After the > program ends, counselors stay in touch with students to help guide them > through the college admissions process. Counselors assist students in > preparing for standardized tests, determining an appropriate list of > colleges to apply to, and filling out applications and financial aid forms. > The program's goal is to diversify college and professional newsrooms by > encouraging outstanding students from low-income backgrounds to pursue > careers in journalism. All expenses, including students' travel costs to and > from Princeton, are paid for by the program. Students who attend the program > come from across the country. The program will enter its ninth summer in > 2010. > > What is the program like? Classes at the program are taught by reporters and > editors from The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New Republic, The > New Yorker, CNN and ABC News, among other media outlets. Students tour the > Times and CNN; cover a professional sports event (in past years, a Yankees, > Mets, Jets or Liberty game); cover news events in the Princeton area; film > and produce a TV segment; and report, write, edit and design their own > newspaper, The Princeton Summer Journal, which is published on the program's > last day. The program is also designed to give students a taste of what life > is like at one of the best colleges in the country-students live on campus > and eat in one of the university's cafeterias-and to prepare them to apply > to top schools. Students meet with Princeton's top professors as well as the > school's president and its dean of admissions. Students attend seminars on > every aspect of the college admissions process. They also take a practice > SAT and attend an SAT class taught by Princeton Review. After students > return home, program staff remain in contact with them, assisting them > during the college application process and helping them to apply for > journalism internships once they are in college. > > What have our students accomplished? More than 165 students have graduated > from our program during the past eight years, and many return each summer to > serve as mentors to our current students. We are proud of their academic and > journalistic accomplishments. Four of our alumni are currently enrolled at > Princeton. Others have gone on to Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Brown, Columbia, > Cornell, Duke, the University of Pennsylvania, Williams, Amherst, > Middlebury, Georgetown, Bowdoin, the University of Virginia, Johns Hopkins, > New York University and many other selective schools. Their work has been > published in college newspapers across the country, including The Daily > Princetonian, The Yale Daily News, The Brown Daily Herald, The Columbia > Spectator, The Cornell Daily Sun and The Bowdoin Orient. Our alumni have > also landed jobs or internships at The New York Times, The New Republic, The > Philadelphia Daily News, NBC and CBS, among other outlets. Alumni > reflections on the program can be found here. > > Who is eligible? This program is intended for low-income students with > excellent academic records who are committed to pursuing a career in > journalism. To apply for the program, you must meet the following > qualifications: > > - You must currently be a junior in high school. > - You must live in the continental United States. > - You must have at least an unweighted 3.5 grade point average (out of 4.0). > - You must have an interest in journalism. > - The combined income of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) plus child > support payments, if any, must not exceed $45,000. > > Note: This program is for students from under-resourced financial > backgrounds. If the combined income of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) > plus child support payments, if any, exceeds $45,000 and you still wish to > apply, you may attach a statement explaining why you believe your family > qualifies as financially under-resourced. > > How to apply. The application process consists of two rounds. For the first > round, fill out the application below, and then email it to sjpapplication@ > gmail.com as a Microsoft Word attachment. > (If you do not have Microsoft Word, please just paste the text of your > application into the body of the email.) Before emailing us the application, > please name the document using the following format: Lastname.Firstname.doc. > So, if your name is Mary Jones, the title of your document will be > Jones.Mary.doc. In addition, type your name, the name of your high school > (including the city and state location) and the email address where you > would like to be contacted in the body of your email and put only the name > of the Word document (e.g., Jones.Mary.doc) in the subject line of the > email. We must receive your application by 11:59 p.m. ET on February 5, > 2010. No extensions will be given for any reason. > > After we receive the first round of applications, we will select a group to > proceed to the second round. If you are selected for the second round, the > program directors will arrange to interview you-either by phone or in > person-and we will also ask you to mail us printed copies of the following > documents: > > - Your official high school transcript > > - The first page of the income-tax return form (the 1040 or 1040EZ form) for > the calendar year 2008 of your custodial parent(s)/guardian(s); or a signed > statement by your parent(s)/guardian(s) saying that their income is below > the level at which they would be required to file income tax returns. (If > the form for calendar year 2009 is available, you may send that instead.) > > - A recommendation letter from a teacher > > - Clips from your high school newspaper or other publication (if you have > them) > > Note: From the time they are notified that they have made it to the second > round, applicants will have about two weeks to mail these items to us. > > Here are some tips about the application process: > > 1. When sending us your application or when contacting us for any reason, > use an email address to which you will have regular access throughout the > application process. Do not change your email address or stop checking email > in the middle of the application process. > > 2. Send all applications to sjpapplication@ > gmail.com - please note that this is a > GMAIL address. Send all questions about the program to sjp at princeton. > edu - please note that this is a PRINCETON > address. > > 3. Proofread and edit your application carefully before submitting. > > 4. Most importantly, this program is for students who are interested in > journalism-who are planning to write for their college newspapers and who > are at least strongly considering an eventual career in journalism. Every > year, we receive applications from students who are smart and talented-but > who are not really interested in journalism. Apply to this program only if > you are serious about pursuing a career in journalism. > > A final word: We know that the process of applying to any selective program > can be stressful, not to mention a lot of work. But, over the years, the > students we have had come through our program have told us that, ultimately, > the work they put into their application was worth it. > > The program directors are all looking forward to reading your application. > If we can answer any question along the way, don't hesitate to contact us. > The best way to reach us is at sjp at princeton. > edu. > > Sincerely, > > Program Staff > > > > THE PRINCETON UNIVERSITY SUMMER JOURNALISM PROGRAM > > APPLICATION FOR SUMMER 2010 > Please fill in the blanks below: > > Name: > > High School: > > Home Phone Number: > > Mobile Phone Number (if available): > > Street Address: > > Apartment Number: > > City: > > State: > > Zip Code: > > Email: > > Birth Date (Month, Date, Year): > > > > High school grade point average through end of the first semester of your > junior year (on a 4.0 scale) > > (We want the aggregate GPA for high school and not just the GPA from the > most recent semester alone.) > > Unweighted: > > Weighted: > > > > List all your extracurricular activities (both at school and outside it) in > order of importance to you. Please do not use acronyms when listing your > activities: > > 1. > > 2. > > 3. > > 4. > > 5. > > 6. > > > > Your favorite journalistic publication: > > Your favorite book: > > Your favorite movie: > > Your favorite quotation: > > Name one person you consider a hero: > > > > Please briefly write about your summer activities during the past three > years. Please be specific with the exact name of the camp/program/employer > and the dates of attendance/employment. Write two or three sentences about > what you did. > > > > > Name of Mother or Legal Guardian 1 (indicate relationship if Legal > Guardian): > > > > Occupation: > > Employer: > > Education (type an "X" next to one of the following): > > a. high school degree > > b. some college > > c. associate's degree > > d. bachelor's degree > > e. graduate degree > > Name of college attended (if any): > > Degree/year: > > Name of graduate school attended (if any): > > Degree/year: > > Is this parent living (type "Yes" or "No"): > > Is this parent your legal guardian (type "Yes" or "No"): > > > > Name of Father or Legal Guardian 2 (indicate relationship if Legal > Guardian): > > > > Occupation: > > Employer: > > Education (type an "X" next to one of the following): > > a. high school degree > > b. some college > > c. associate's degree > > d. bachelor's degree > > e. graduate degree > > Name of college attended (if any): > > Degree/year: > > Name of graduate school attended (if any): > > Degree/year: > > Is this parent living (type "Yes" or "No"): > > Is this parent your legal guardian (type "Yes" or "No"): > > > > Please list the names and ages of all your siblings, and indicate if they > have attended a college: > > > > Name Age College (if any) > Graduation Year > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Number of custodial parent(s)/guardian(s) (answer "one" or "two"): > > > > If you answered "one" above, write the total income from 2008 (or 2009, if > available) of your parent/guardian here (this is the number that appears in > the bottom right-hand corner of the first page of his or her 1040 or 1040EZ > form): > > > > If you answered "two" above, do they file income taxes jointly or > separately? (answer "jointly" or "separately"): > > > > If you answered "two" and "jointly" above, write the total income from 2008 > (or 2009, if available) of your parents/guardians here (this is the number > that appears in the bottom right-hand corner of the first page of their 1040 > or 1040EZ form): > > > > If you answered "two" AND "separately" above, write the total income from > 2008 (or 2009, if available) for each of your parents/guardians here (these > are the numbers that appear in the bottom right-hand corners of the first > pages of their 1040 or 1040EZ forms) > > Parent/guardian 1: > > Parent/guardian 2: > > > > If your parent(s)/guardian(s) receives child support from a non-custodial > parent/guardian, state the amount per year of those child support payments: > > > > If your parent(s)/guardian(s) is not required to file income tax returns > because his or her income is below the level at which he or she would be > required to file an income tax return, please type an "X" here: > > > > Note: This program is for students from under-resourced financial > backgrounds. 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To post to this group, send email to usa-goalball at googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to usa-goalball+unsubscribe at googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/usa-goalball?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4435 (20090917) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Oct 18 22:34:39 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:34:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l petition Message-ID: <20091018223439.24066.86055@web1.serotek.com> Alex, I thought I'd send some suggestions regarding your petition. First, the rehab act does specify the process of "informed Choice" which does give participants the right to investigate training options and make their choice according to their needs. The problem is that rehabilitation agencies often use bureaucracy to stifle informed choice by making clients jump through ridiculous amounts of hoops. Or, especially in these times, rehab agencies may use budgetary shortfalls as an excuse to not send a student to a training center. Also our training centers and those housed in-state seem the same on paper, so potential customers have no real understanding what our training centers have that's so unique. Frankly, I'm not sure your petition captures the uniqueness of our training centers such that lawmakers and other officials really understand the necessity of the option to choose. What exactly is at the heart of our training centers that no other training centers really have? It's not the trips to the mall or the challenge activities. Other training centers have those too. Is the uniqueness of our centers captured in the resume building classes, ADL training, or even in our cane training? Not really. Is it that we have blind staff? No. These days, training centers have all of those. And if they don't, they will convince you that they do. The thing that really separates our centers from all others is this: we believe that it's not only okay to be blind, but that it's altogether respectable. We require the same level of performance at our centers that any training facility for sighted adults would regardless of the educational material. Our curriculum isn't based in what the training professional believes will work for the student. Instead, our curriculum is based on teaching students the basic skills so that students have the power and correct judgment to decide what's best and what will work for them. The fact that we have blind staff is evidence of our beliefs, but any training center can have blind staff and claim that they're role models for their students. And yes they are. Whether they espouse the best philosophy on blindness is another issue entirely. Our training philosophy is based on the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind. As I've said above, we believe it's respectable to be blind. Furthermore, we believe that blindness is nothing more than a characteristic that, like other characteristics possessed by humans, limits us from time to time. These limitations are not debilitating as most people imagine. Instead, they are occasional inconveniences that we simply deal with. We believe that a blind person can compete on terms of equality with our sighted friends and neighbors given the proper training and opportunity. But for me, what really separates us from other training centers is our unabashed relationship with the Organized Blind. More specifically, we are deeply interlaced with the Federation and are not afraid or ashamed to say so. Unfortunately, so many training centers are so afraid of stepping on organizational territory or are so afraid of offending some portion of their students that the Federation (and even the Council in some places) is not even mentioned or barely alluded to. Your petition needs to express just what this stuff means beyond the facade of trips and blind role models. If you can adjust the wording of your petition to really reflect the real need of blind people to be around our positive philosophy, then I'd feel a lot better signing it. Unfortunately, in my opinion, an official might not be able to really glean what it is that separates us from all others. Alongside that, I'd like the petition to address the issue of bureaucracy as a tool for stifling informed choice. While you're correct that states don't even adhere to informed choice practices, more states simply throw bureaucracy in the way of clients to the point where clients simply give up or move to another state that's friendlier to their cause. If it's not too late to adjust your petition and if you think my suggestions are valid, let me know and I'll be happy to help you with it. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi list this is Alex Kaiser. I wrote a petition. plese check it out and > sign if you want to support the cause. The cause is to prevent in state > agencies for the blind created by the divisions of human services of > states not to reject providing funding to their clientss for attending > National Federation of the blind training centers. Please check this > out and sign to support this cause. Visit the following website: > http://gopetition.com/online/31453.html > Please read and sign carefully your signature is going to the whitehouse. > From, > Alex > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From blindchildren at verizon.net Sun Oct 18 23:36:33 2009 From: blindchildren at verizon.net (Carol Castellano) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:36:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Attention Disability Colleagues!! FTA Civil Rights Training, Washington, DC - December 2-4, 2009. Disability Organizations are strongly encouraged to register only for day 1 - ADA Day. Message-ID: Dave, I received this notice from a disability organization in VA. Would you please forward to any lists that you think might be interested. Thanks, Carol Carol Castellano, President National Organization of Parents of Blind Children 973-377-0976 carol_castellano at verizon.net www.nfb.org/nopbc Subject: Attention Disability Colleagues!! FTA Civil Rights Training, > Washington, DC - December 2-4, 2009. Disability Organizations are strongly > encouraged to register only for day 1 - ADA Day. >Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:25:26 -0400 >From: "Konoka Izumi" >To: "Konoka Izumi" > >[] > Federal Transit Administration >Office of Civil Rights > > >Civil Rights Training >December 2 - 4, 2009 >Washington, DC > >[] > >[] > > >The Federal Transit Administration’s Office of >Civil Rights invites its grant recipients and >other interested stakeholders in all FTA Regions >to attend a three-day training on FTA’s civil >rights requirements and guidance. The training >will review federal laws, regulations, executive >orders, and guidance covering the Americans with >Disabilities Act, Title VI of the Civil Rights >Act of 1964, and the U.S. Department of >Transportation’s Disadvantaged Business >Enterprise (DBE) Program. This training will >also discuss recently implemented and proposed >updates to existing FTA civil rights directives and guidelines. > >This training will help practitioners better >understand the importance of civil rights >considerations in transportation and transit >planning, project development, investment, and >operations. Participants will be able to apply >the content learned during this course to their >daily work activities and local environment. > >Participants will also have the opportunity to >provide the FTA with feedback on challenges and >opportunities that they have experienced in >implementing Federal civil rights directives and >to share examples of effective or promising >practices that could be adopted by state, >regional, and local agencies or community-based organizations. > >Scholarships for travel expenses are available! > >This training will be held at the Westin >Arlington Gateway located at 801 North Glebe >Road, Arlington, VA 22203. Hotel rooms are >available on a first-come first-serve basis. To >reserve a room at the group discount rate of >$207/night, call 1-888-627-7076 or 703-717-6200 >and mention the FTA Workshop. The room >registration cut-off date is November 13, 2009. >Reservation Deadline: Workshop reservations must >be made by November 13, 2009 while all >scholarship requests must be made by November 6, 2009. > >FTA Civil Rights Training >Preliminary Agenda > > >Wednesday ­ December 2, 2009 > >Morning Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA) > Overview and Updates >Afternoon ADA Fixed Route Self Assessment > Complementary Paratransit Self-Assessment > ADA Trivia! > >Thursday ­ December 3, 2009 > >Morning Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 Overview > Overview of New Title VI Circular > Title VI Video “Divided Highways” >Afternoon Environmental Justice > Exercise: City of Metropolis > DOJ Video “Language Barriers” > Limited English Proficiency (LEP) > >Friday ­ December 4, 2009 > >Morning Disadvantaged Business Enterprise Program (DBE) Overview > DBE Goal Methodology >Afternoon DBE Fraud > DBE Certification > >Layo Osiyemi >Endependence Center of Northern Virginia, Inc. (ECNV) >2300 Clarendon Blvd. Suite 305 >Arlington, VA 22201 >(703) 525-3268 Ext 8005 (V) >(703) 525-3553 (TTY) >(703) 525-3585 (Fax) >www.ecnv.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 163bc8a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19143 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 163bcc9.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38049 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 163bd17.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 35491 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DC Flyer and Preliminary Agenda1.doc Type: application/msword Size: 70144 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you wish to read the petition and possibly demonstrate your support, please point your browser to: http://www.petitiononline.com/brl4all/petition.html and express your view. Thank you for your attention. Yours sincerely, Curtis Chong, President National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Message From Curtis Chong.doc Type: application/msword Size: 30208 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sepolansky at verizon.net Mon Oct 19 00:53:52 2009 From: sepolansky at verizon.net (SUSAN POLANSKY) Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:53:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Nano Raffle to Benefit Blind Kids Message-ID: Can you please post the following to the NFB lists? Susan T. Polansky President Maryland Parents of Blind Children iPOD Raffle Information Beginning on October 19th the Parents Division will be selling Raffle tickets to benefit the organization. The prize will be a 5th Generation iPOD Nano. It has an 80GB drive and can store up to 2000 songs and 8 hours of video. This is a fully accessible iPOD: Spoken menus allow listeners to hear many of the names of menus, song title, and artists without viewing the screen. An alternative large font can make the menus easier to read. A hight-resolution LCD display with adjustable contrast and backlight settings make easier to read in low light. Captions in video are displayed when the are present using a legible, high-contrast white-on-black font. Full details on this product can be found at: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/ipod_nano?mco=MTA4NTE3Mzg Tickets are $5.00 each. There will only be a 100 tickets sold for this raffle, so the chances are VERY GOOD! As an added bonus, you will receive a CD-ROM of "The Accessible iPOD" by the National Braille Press. Drawing will be held on November 15,2009 at the NFB of Maryland State Convention. For further details and to purchase a raffle ticket go to: www.mdparentsofblindchildren.org From bwaylimited at verizon.net Tue Oct 20 02:26:21 2009 From: bwaylimited at verizon.net (Gerald Levy) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:26:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Electronics-talk] New Affordable Currency Identifier Introduced Message-ID: Orbit Research Introduces iBill Talking Banknote Identifier Priced at $99, the iBill is a breakthrough in independent living for the blind and visually impaired WILMINGTON, Del., Oct. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Orbit Research today announced the introduction of the iBill, the world's first affordable Talking Banknote Identifier for the blind and the visually impaired. Priced at $99, the 1.5 ounce, pager-sized iBill represents a breakthrough in enabling the blind and the visually impaired community achieve independence in the everyday necessity of using paper currency, which sighted people take for granted. At about a third of the cost of existing devices, the iBill offers unrivaled features, ease of use and accuracy of identification. The iBill is an exceptionally convenient and affordable solution that can be used by each and every blind or visually impaired individual. Measuring just 3 inches by 1.6 inches by 0.7 inches, the ultra-slim and compact "key-fob" design provides the ultimate in convenience, allowing it to be carried unobtrusively in a pocket, purse, clipped to the belt or attached to a keychain or lanyard. Among the features that set it apart from other such devices are the extremely high accuracy (better than 99.9%) and the near-instantaneous speed (less than one second in most cases) with which it identifies banknotes. The iBill is designed with the sole purpose of providing the simplest, fastest and most accurate means to identify U.S. banknotes. Its unique ergonomic design permits easy and intuitive use without the need for any training or practice. Upon insertion of a banknote into the device, its denomination is identified at the press of a button. Based on the user's preference, the denomination is announced by a clear and natural voice, or by tone or vibration for privacy. The unit identifies all U.S. banknotes in circulation and recognizes them in any orientation. Banknotes in poor physical condition are indicated as unidentifiable and are not misread. The unit is also upgradeable to recognize new banknote designs. The iBill achieves all of this while operating on a single, commonly available AAA battery which lasts for over a year with typical use. Its durable construction and sealed design ensure trouble-free use. The unit is backed by a one-year warranty from Orbit Research, and toll-free customer support. "Orbit Research has once again demonstrated its commitment to the development of breakthrough technology and products that make a direct and measurably positive impact to the daily lives of the community we serve," said Michael Nolan, President of Orbit Research. Orbit Research has filed patents on the technologies employed in the iBill, which enable its groundbreaking compactness, performance and features. Samples of the iBill are available for evaluation now and Orbit Research is accepting orders. Specializing in the development and manufacture of products for people with disabilities, Orbit Research's mission is to employ cutting-edge technology to develop innovative and affordable products that are essential for an independent and productive lifestyle. Contact: Carla Morris, (888) 606-7248 Email: morris.carla at orbitresearch.com Orbit Research 3422 Old Capitol Trail, Suite 585 Wilmington, DE 19808, U.S.A. Tel: (888) 60-ORBIT http://www.orbitresearch.com _______________________________________________ From dandrews at visi.com Tue Oct 20 02:31:48 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:31:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Media Contact: Brad Davis 800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 www.FreedomScientific.com Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com Freedom Scientific Releases JAWS® 11 Users Praise the Benefits of "Research It" Feature (St. Petersburg, Florida, October 19, 2009) - Freedom Scientific today announced the English release of JAWS version 11, the world's leading screen reader for visually impaired computer users. This new release includes features that will expand educational and employment opportunities for users at all levels. These new features include Research It, Word Index, a free software DAISY player, and enhancements specifically for Windows 7, including UI Automation support and improved ARIA support. The new Research It feature lets users quickly access information for any application and immediately return to what they were doing. Use just a few keystrokes to look up information such as word definitions, Wikipedia results, weather conditions, news stories, or even sports scores. When you have finished reviewing the information, simply press ESCAPE to return to your current task. An Internet connection is all that is required to use Research It with JAWS 11. There is also a very comprehensive Research It Developer's Guide that shows how individuals or organizations can modify Research It to create their own lookups on the Web or even within their own network for improved on-the-job efficiency. For more information, listen to the September FSCast, where this feature and others are demonstrated and discussed in detail. Beginning with PAC MateT Omni earlier this year and now with JAWS 11, Freedom Scientific is pleased to include a free FSReader software DAISY player for all of our customers. "There is no question that DAISY books are becoming more and more a part of our everyday lives," said Eric Damery, Vice President of Software Product Management, "and having a free reader installed along with our screen reader and MAGic® screen magnification products is a real benefit. We have also updated all the free Basic Training DAISY books, and they are all now shipping right on the DVD. Hear All the New JAWS 11 Features Demonstrated in FSCast Listen to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS, and Jonathan Mosen, Vice President of Blindness Hardware Product Management, discuss the latest JAWS 11 enhancements in both the August 2009 FSCast and the September 2009 FSCast. The August FSCast covers all the new features, and the September FSCast discusses more changes to Research It and includes an interview with Glen Gordon, the Chief Technology Officer. For more information about JAWS 11, see the What's New page. About Freedom Scientific Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide provider of assistive technology products for those with vision impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has offices in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have been translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. Freedom also has a line of software products for those with learning disabilities. Freedom Scientific®, JAWS for Windows®, PAC MateT Omni, and MAGic® are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the United States and/or other countries. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. Forward email This email was sent to rgardner4 at gmail.com by freedomscientificnews at freedomscientific.com. Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by Freedom Scientific | 11800 31st Court North | St. Petersburg | FL | 33716-1805 From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 02:33:25 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 19:33:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] online classes and the contract management support program In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3B6CE1894DED404AA29F67037B4105E1@sarahcomp> I don't take the class but what I found is use notepad or textpal or word to write down and paraphrase . Also if you have discussions, see if you can print out or copy to your computer a log so you can annotate comments and stuff. I hope this helps. Good luck. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos J montas Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:54 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] online classes and the contract management support program Good morning to all of you. My name is Carlos J Montas. I do not post much on the list but I am a returning student. I am a recent graduate of the Louisiana center for the blind, and I wanted to see if any of you had some advice on the topic of online classes. I am wondering if there is any one who has completed the contract management support program training which is being offered by National industries for the blind? IF so, please feel free to contact me off list at carlos.montas at gmail.com What are some helpful strategies that can assist me in successfully completing online classes? For example, what is a good way of taking notes? Your advice would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Carlos J Montas _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 20 18:28:38 2009 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:28:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote PK with extras for sale Message-ID: <8DE3F025ECA44F11AADEE08212537014@yourdd0a3c7a34> Good day all, I have a brailleNote PK with a braille display that has just recently been replaced. The device is in excellent condition and includes the latest version of Keysoft V8 along with Sendero GPS V5.03. I also have a number of accessories for this device including an Ambicom wireless card, a number of compact flash cards, including 1 16GB card and a compactflash card reader. I'm finding that I need the funds to finance my education as I have not had to take out any lones thus far and I don't intend to. Please shoot me a message with any interested offers. I can process payment via Paypal if necessary. I'm looking for a selling price of $3000.00, but am willing to negotiate reasonable offers. Best Regards: Dave Wright Work Phone: 347-422-7085 Email: dwrigh6 at gmail.com WebPage: http://www.knfbreader.com From aguimaraes at nbp.org Tue Oct 20 20:01:59 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:01:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: Message-ID: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local> How is knowing the weather and sports scores going to improve the productivity, advance education, and opportunities for blind people? Either the release misses the mark, or the tool is useful, but not all that revolutionary. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Media Contact: Brad Davis 800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 www.FreedomScientific.com Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com Freedom Scientific Releases JAWS® 11 Users Praise the Benefits of "Research It" Feature (St. Petersburg, Florida, October 19, 2009) - Freedom Scientific today announced the English release of JAWS version 11, the world's leading screen reader for visually impaired computer users. This new release includes features that will expand educational and employment opportunities for users at all levels. These new features include Research It, Word Index, a free software DAISY player, and enhancements specifically for Windows 7, including UI Automation support and improved ARIA support. The new Research It feature lets users quickly access information for any application and immediately return to what they were doing. Use just a few keystrokes to look up information such as word definitions, Wikipedia results, weather conditions, news stories, or even sports scores. When you have finished reviewing the information, simply press ESCAPE to return to your current task. An Internet connection is all that is required to use Research It with JAWS 11. There is also a very comprehensive Research It Developer's Guide that shows how individuals or organizations can modify Research It to create their own lookups on the Web or even within their own network for improved on-the-job efficiency. For more information, listen to the September FSCast, where this feature and others are demonstrated and discussed in detail. Beginning with PAC MateT Omni earlier this year and now with JAWS 11, Freedom Scientific is pleased to include a free FSReader software DAISY player for all of our customers. "There is no question that DAISY books are becoming more and more a part of our everyday lives," said Eric Damery, Vice President of Software Product Management, "and having a free reader installed along with our screen reader and MAGic® screen magnification products is a real benefit. We have also updated all the free Basic Training DAISY books, and they are all now shipping right on the DVD. Hear All the New JAWS 11 Features Demonstrated in FSCast Listen to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS, and Jonathan Mosen, Vice President of Blindness Hardware Product Management, discuss the latest JAWS 11 enhancements in both the August 2009 FSCast and the September 2009 FSCast. The August FSCast covers all the new features, and the September FSCast discusses more changes to Research It and includes an interview with Glen Gordon, the Chief Technology Officer. For more information about JAWS 11, see the What's New page. About Freedom Scientific Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide provider of assistive technology products for those with vision impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has offices in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have been translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. Freedom also has a line of software products for those with learning disabilities. Freedom Scientific®, JAWS for Windows®, PAC MateT Omni, and MAGic® are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the United States and/or other countries. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. 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Email Marketing by Freedom Scientific | 11800 31st Court North | St. Petersburg | FL | 33716-1805 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue Oct 20 20:35:08 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:35:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released In-Reply-To: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local> Message-ID: No, I agree it does absolutely nothing to contribute to the things you mentioned, but I have to say it is rather convenient to get sports scores, weather, definitions and general information with a few keystrokes. When you pay as much as you do for the damn thing, it had better have a few of these bells and whistles. Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released How is knowing the weather and sports scores going to improve the productivity, advance education, and opportunities for blind people? Either the release misses the mark, or the tool is useful, but not all that revolutionary. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Media Contact: Brad Davis 800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 www.FreedomScientific.com Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com Freedom Scientific Releases JAWSR 11 Users Praise the Benefits of "Research It" Feature (St. Petersburg, Florida, October 19, 2009) - Freedom Scientific today announced the English release of JAWS version 11, the world's leading screen reader for visually impaired computer users. This new release includes features that will expand educational and employment opportunities for users at all levels. These new features include Research It, Word Index, a free software DAISY player, and enhancements specifically for Windows 7, including UI Automation support and improved ARIA support. The new Research It feature lets users quickly access information for any application and immediately return to what they were doing. Use just a few keystrokes to look up information such as word definitions, Wikipedia results, weather conditions, news stories, or even sports scores. When you have finished reviewing the information, simply press ESCAPE to return to your current task. An Internet connection is all that is required to use Research It with JAWS 11. There is also a very comprehensive Research It Developer's Guide that shows how individuals or organizations can modify Research It to create their own lookups on the Web or even within their own network for improved on-the-job efficiency. For more information, listen to the September FSCast, where this feature and others are demonstrated and discussed in detail. Beginning with PAC MateT Omni earlier this year and now with JAWS 11, Freedom Scientific is pleased to include a free FSReader software DAISY player for all of our customers. "There is no question that DAISY books are becoming more and more a part of our everyday lives," said Eric Damery, Vice President of Software Product Management, "and having a free reader installed along with our screen reader and MAGicR screen magnification products is a real benefit. We have also updated all the free Basic Training DAISY books, and they are all now shipping right on the DVD. Hear All the New JAWS 11 Features Demonstrated in FSCast Listen to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS, and Jonathan Mosen, Vice President of Blindness Hardware Product Management, discuss the latest JAWS 11 enhancements in both the August 2009 FSCast and the September 2009 FSCast. The August FSCast covers all the new features, and the September FSCast discusses more changes to Research It and includes an interview with Glen Gordon, the Chief Technology Officer. For more information about JAWS 11, see the What's New page. About Freedom Scientific Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide provider of assistive technology products for those with vision impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has offices in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have been translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. Freedom also has a line of software products for those with learning disabilities. Freedom ScientificR, JAWS for WindowsR, PAC MateT Omni, and MAGicR are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the United States and/or other countries. The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective owners. 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Email Marketing by Freedom Scientific | 11800 31st Court North | St. Petersburg | FL | 33716-1805 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimara es%40nbp.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 00:03:24 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:03:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pac Mate Omni for Sale Message-ID: <39870498DF604F89A169C1E4A58965F4@Rufus> I have a Pac Mate Omni BX420 for sale. The firmware is the latest version, 6.2. The unit is in excellent condition, including all cells on the Braille display. Features: . Access to the mobile version of Windows PowerPointR . Microsoft's Direct Push Technology for real time synchronization of e-mail, calendar, contacts, and tasks . Smart filtering for rapid location of e-mail messages . Easy information searches via Windows Live Search . Support for the Windows Live Messenger voice clip feature providing users with "push-to-talk" functionality in instant messaging . "Plug and Play" support for popular WiFi and BluetoothR cards The package will include the following items: . Pac Mate Omni . 20 cell Pac Mate portable display . Plastic backing pieces for both the Pac Mate Omni and display for independent operation . AC adapter . USB cable . Standard to mini USB adapter . 1 gig cf card . 128 meg cf card . CF modem adapter . CF Ethernet adapter . CF wireless adapter and drivers . CF FM tuner and drivers . PCMCIA adapter . Standard carrying case and included shoulder straps . Executive products carrying case with included shoulder strap and accessory pouch for the AC adapter . FS Reader . FSCommander Alone, this unit is worth $3,795. This unit, plus accessories, is being sold at $1,500, including standard shipping. If interested, please e-mail me at: jsorozco at gmail.com I accept PayPal. Joe Orozco __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From hope.paulos at maine.edu Wed Oct 21 00:49:30 2009 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:49:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] First class and mac? Message-ID: I realize this is not a mac user list, but I figured I'd throw the question out there since we're all students. I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips on using (or whether or not it's possible to use) the first class client with the mac and Voice Over? Thanks. Hope and Beignet __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 01:36:38 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:36:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released In-Reply-To: References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local> Message-ID: <409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> Antonio and list, Let me say that I understand the validity of your statement. That said; why not? one can also ask, what's the big deal with being able to change the voice to something of a British-sounding voice, or having your voice sound really scratchy when you want to read or edit a document? so long as it's improved over the last versions and not taken a step backword, and you can use it with windows 7, i think it's probably a success. Do you think so? Darian On 10/20/09, Joe Orozco wrote: > No, I agree it does absolutely nothing to contribute to the things you > mentioned, but I have to say it is rather convenient to get sports scores, > weather, definitions and general information with a few keystrokes. When > you pay as much as you do for the damn thing, it had better have a few of > these bells and whistles. > > Joe Orozco > > "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the > crowd."--Max Lucado > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > > How is knowing the weather and sports scores going to improve > the productivity, advance education, and opportunities for blind people? > > Either the release misses the mark, or the tool is useful, but > not all that revolutionary. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Andrews" > To: ; ; > ; ; ; > > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:31 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > > > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > Media Contact: Brad Davis > 800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 > www.FreedomScientific.com > Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com > Freedom Scientific Releases JAWSR 11 > Users Praise the Benefits of "Research It" Feature (St. > Petersburg, Florida, October 19, 2009) - Freedom Scientific > today announced the English release of JAWS version 11, the > world's leading screen reader for visually impaired computer > users. This new release includes features that will expand > educational and employment opportunities for users at all levels. > These new features include Research It, Word Index, a free > software DAISY player, and enhancements specifically for > Windows 7, including UI Automation support and improved ARIA support. > The new Research It feature lets users quickly access > information for any application and immediately return to what > they were doing. Use just a few keystrokes to look up > information such as word definitions, Wikipedia results, > weather conditions, news stories, or even sports scores. When > you have finished reviewing the information, simply press > ESCAPE to return to your current task. An Internet connection > is all that is required to use Research It with JAWS 11. There > is also a very comprehensive Research It Developer's Guide that > shows how individuals or organizations can modify Research It > to create their own lookups on the Web or even within their own > network for improved on-the-job efficiency. > For more information, listen to the September FSCast, where > this feature and others are demonstrated and discussed in detail. > Beginning with PAC MateT Omni earlier this year and now with > JAWS 11, Freedom Scientific is pleased to include a free > FSReader software DAISY player for all of our customers. "There > is no question that DAISY books are becoming more and more a > part of our everyday lives," said Eric Damery, Vice President > of Software Product Management, "and having a free reader > installed along with our screen reader and MAGicR screen > magnification products is a real benefit. > We have also updated all the free Basic Training DAISY books, > and they are all now shipping right on the DVD. > Hear All the New JAWS 11 Features Demonstrated in FSCast Listen > to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS, and Jonathan Mosen, > Vice President of Blindness Hardware Product Management, > discuss the latest JAWS 11 enhancements in both the August 2009 > FSCast and the September 2009 FSCast. The August FSCast covers > all the new features, and the September FSCast discusses more > changes to Research It and includes an interview with Glen > Gordon, the Chief Technology Officer. For more information > about JAWS 11, see the What's New page. > About Freedom Scientific > Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide provider of > assistive technology products for those with vision > impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has > offices in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have > been translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. > Freedom also has a line of software products for those with > learning disabilities. > Freedom ScientificR, JAWS for WindowsR, PAC MateT Omni, and > MAGicR are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the > United States and/or other countries. > The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may > be the trademarks of their respective owners. > > Forward email > > > This email was sent to > rgardner4 at gmail.com by freedomscientificnews at freedomscientific.com. > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal > with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by > > Freedom Scientific | 11800 31st Court North | St. > Petersburg | FL | 33716-1805 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimara > es%40nbp.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 4527 (20091020) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From corbbo at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 02:59:54 2009 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:59:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] First class and mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94A96CE3-BA55-49DD-9370-61678AFC8DF3@gmail.com> Are you referring to the Blackboard module called "First Class" at some universities, designed primarily for incoming freshmen? If so, then it is fully accessible with Voiceover except the chat feature, in my experience. Corbb P.S. Have you visited www.Braille.org yet? Check out the first U.S. coin with full-size Braille on it! On Oct 20, 2009, at 8:49 PM, Hope Paulos wrote: I realize this is not a mac user list, but I figured I'd throw the question out there since we're all students. I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips on using (or whether or not it's possible to use) the first class client with the mac and Voice Over? Thanks. Hope and Beignet __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From mewhalen at wisc.edu Wed Oct 21 03:24:14 2009 From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:24:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local> <409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <026B57AC7E6845D088A8A3D2082A50EB@Yoka> I'm sure it's a nice feature, but I think the question is if there are enough features to make using up an SMA worth it. I mean...I don't want to use something worth that much just so I can check weather and sports more easily. I don't know what all of the new features are, but if that is a highlighted feature, it disappoints me a little bit that it requires surrendering my last SMA for it. Just my thoughts, Meghan From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 04:12:33 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:12:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local><409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> <026B57AC7E6845D088A8A3D2082A50EB@Yoka> Message-ID: <8AD822E47DD2488F9DA1C2EFDC0AC14C@TheDoubleD> Only problem is if you don't update to jaws 11, then leap frog to 12, you'll still lose that SMA anyway. And if you wait to pay til 13, you'll have to pay for the SMAs you didn't use. Talk about being robbed blind. >From David __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Wed Oct 21 04:24:35 2009 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:24:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Office 2007 Student Discount Message-ID: <7EC4A1AC602E46A88BB14192FA192F75@D3DTZP41> Hello List: If you are a student in college, you can purchase for $60 a fine package of Microsoft software. Here is the $60.00 link. http://www.microsoft.com/education/areyouready/ Note, you must have either a college issued email address, or alternatively you can scan a student ID and register with it. If you don't use a college issued email account, you have to have or get a Hotmail, MSn or Windows Live account. Hope this is useful. Regards, Robert Jaquiss, President Greater Ouachita Chapter National Federation of the Blind Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net From aguimaraes at nbp.org Wed Oct 21 17:47:46 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:47:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local> <409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3C87EF74BA094E7496BA789FE19130B5@nbp2.local> Hello Darian, I am not knocking the feature, just the way the press release was written to hype the thing to the only tool you'll ever need to be employable, and succeed in school. I won't have to worry about it for long, since Jaws 11 will be the last version of the software I ever pay for. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > Antonio and list, > Let me say that I understand the validity of your statement. That > said; why not? one can also ask, what's the big deal with being able > to change the voice to something of a British-sounding voice, or > having your voice sound really scratchy when you want to read or > edit a document? > so long as it's improved over the last versions and not taken a step > backword, and you can use it with windows 7, i think it's probably a > success. Do you think so? > Darian > > > On 10/20/09, Joe Orozco wrote: >> No, I agree it does absolutely nothing to contribute to the things you >> mentioned, but I have to say it is rather convenient to get sports >> scores, >> weather, definitions and general information with a few keystrokes. When >> you pay as much as you do for the damn thing, it had better have a few of >> these bells and whistles. >> >> Joe Orozco >> >> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >> crowd."--Max Lucado >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes >> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released >> >> How is knowing the weather and sports scores going to improve >> the productivity, advance education, and opportunities for blind people? >> >> Either the release misses the mark, or the tool is useful, but >> not all that revolutionary. >> >> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Andrews" >> To: ; ; >> ; ; ; >> >> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:31 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released >> >> >> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >> >> Media Contact: Brad Davis >> 800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 >> www.FreedomScientific.com >> Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com >> Freedom Scientific Releases JAWSR 11 >> Users Praise the Benefits of "Research It" Feature (St. >> Petersburg, Florida, October 19, 2009) - Freedom Scientific >> today announced the English release of JAWS version 11, the >> world's leading screen reader for visually impaired computer >> users. This new release includes features that will expand >> educational and employment opportunities for users at all levels. >> These new features include Research It, Word Index, a free >> software DAISY player, and enhancements specifically for >> Windows 7, including UI Automation support and improved ARIA support. >> The new Research It feature lets users quickly access >> information for any application and immediately return to what >> they were doing. Use just a few keystrokes to look up >> information such as word definitions, Wikipedia results, >> weather conditions, news stories, or even sports scores. When >> you have finished reviewing the information, simply press >> ESCAPE to return to your current task. An Internet connection >> is all that is required to use Research It with JAWS 11. There >> is also a very comprehensive Research It Developer's Guide that >> shows how individuals or organizations can modify Research It >> to create their own lookups on the Web or even within their own >> network for improved on-the-job efficiency. >> For more information, listen to the September FSCast, where >> this feature and others are demonstrated and discussed in detail. >> Beginning with PAC MateT Omni earlier this year and now with >> JAWS 11, Freedom Scientific is pleased to include a free >> FSReader software DAISY player for all of our customers. "There >> is no question that DAISY books are becoming more and more a >> part of our everyday lives," said Eric Damery, Vice President >> of Software Product Management, "and having a free reader >> installed along with our screen reader and MAGicR screen >> magnification products is a real benefit. >> We have also updated all the free Basic Training DAISY books, >> and they are all now shipping right on the DVD. >> Hear All the New JAWS 11 Features Demonstrated in FSCast Listen >> to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS, and Jonathan Mosen, >> Vice President of Blindness Hardware Product Management, >> discuss the latest JAWS 11 enhancements in both the August 2009 >> FSCast and the September 2009 FSCast. The August FSCast covers >> all the new features, and the September FSCast discusses more >> changes to Research It and includes an interview with Glen >> Gordon, the Chief Technology Officer. For more information >> about JAWS 11, see the What's New page. >> About Freedom Scientific >> Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide provider of >> assistive technology products for those with vision >> impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has >> offices in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have >> been translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. >> Freedom also has a line of software products for those with >> learning disabilities. >> Freedom ScientificR, JAWS for WindowsR, PAC MateT Omni, and >> MAGicR are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the >> United States and/or other countries. >> The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may >> be the trademarks of their respective owners. >> >> Forward email >> >> >> This email was sent to >> rgardner4 at gmail.com by freedomscientificnews at freedomscientific.com. >> Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal >> with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. Email Marketing by >> >> Freedom Scientific | 11800 31st Court North | St. >> Petersburg | FL | 33716-1805 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimara >> es%40nbp.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature database 4527 (20091020) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 4527 (20091020) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny > calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching > before us; > if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our > slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe > past and future generations, > then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with > you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be > done, and > usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From lbingalls at pcdesk.net Wed Oct 21 18:10:21 2009 From: lbingalls at pcdesk.net (Lauren B. Hunter) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:10:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare Message-ID: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net> Hello All, I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I'm having trouble with using a book from bookshare and was hoping maybe someone here could help me out. I've attempted contacting tech support, and received one response but haven't heard anything since. I've been able to download the book, and I can open the files, but I can't actually get to the text of the book. The one file that will open the Victor software, says it's loading the book, but then there isn't any book. I know it's just my lack of knowledge of how this works since I've never used bookshare before now. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. Lauren -- "Help me be a channel of Thy peace That where there is hatred, I may bring love; That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; That where there is error, I may bring truth; That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) Now that you can see all you have done (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; That where there are shadows, I may bring light) It's time to take that step into the kingdom (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) All your sins will help to make you strong (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. That I may seek to understand than to be understood) And help you break right through the prison wall (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) Keep all of me, The desires that once burned me deep inside Help me live today And help to give me grace To carry out your ways I am ready, help me be all I can be I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater -- "Help me be a channel of Thy peace That where there is hatred, I may bring love; That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; That where there is error, I may bring truth; That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) Now that you can see all you have done (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; That where there are shadows, I may bring light) It's time to take that step into the kingdom (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) All your sins will help to make you strong (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. That I may seek to understand than to be understood) And help you break right through the prison wall (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) Keep all of me, The desires that once burned me deep inside Help me live today And help to give me grace To carry out your ways I am ready, help me be all I can be I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 18:18:17 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:18:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> I can't open the one I got from bookshare. I can unzip the files but that's all I can do. Any ideas? Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren B. Hunter" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > Hello All, > I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I'm having trouble with > using a book > from bookshare and was hoping maybe someone here could help me out. I've > attempted > contacting tech support, and received one response but haven't heard > anything since. > I've been able to download the book, and I can open the files, but I > can't actually > get to the text of the book. The one file that will open the Victor > software, says > it's loading the book, but then there isn't any book. I know it's just > my lack > of knowledge of how this works since I've never used bookshare before > now. Any > help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. > Lauren > -- > "Help me be a channel of Thy peace > That where there is hatred, I may bring love; > That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; > That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; > That where there is error, I may bring truth; > That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) > Now that you can see all you have done > (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; > That where there are shadows, I may bring light) > It's time to take that step into the kingdom > (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) > All your sins will help to make you strong > (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. > That I may seek to understand than to be understood) > And help you break right through the prison wall > (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, > for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, > it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) > Keep all of me, > The desires that once burned me deep inside > Help me live today > And help to give me grace > To carry out your ways > I am ready, help me be all I can be > I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" > from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater > > -- > "Help me be a channel of Thy peace > That where there is hatred, I may bring love; > That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; > That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; > That where there is error, I may bring truth; > That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) > Now that you can see all you have done > (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; > That where there are shadows, I may bring light) > It's time to take that step into the kingdom > (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) > All your sins will help to make you strong > (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. > That I may seek to understand than to be understood) > And help you break right through the prison wall > (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, > for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, > it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) > Keep all of me, > The desires that once burned me deep inside > Help me live today > And help to give me grace > To carry out your ways > I am ready, help me be all I can be > I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" > from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From aguimaraes at nbp.org Wed Oct 21 19:08:52 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:08:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net> <000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <2B89AD50C2414A2B923A6A0E875B3521@nbp2.local> Sounds like your bookshare subscription is expired. I had the same thing happen to me, and after I received no book with text no matter what, I checked on the site, and there was a note about an expired account. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare >I can't open the one I got from bookshare. I can unzip the files but that's >all I can do. Any ideas? > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauren B. Hunter" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > > >> Hello All, >> I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I'm having trouble with >> using a book >> from bookshare and was hoping maybe someone here could help me out. I've >> attempted >> contacting tech support, and received one response but haven't heard >> anything since. >> I've been able to download the book, and I can open the files, but I >> can't actually >> get to the text of the book. The one file that will open the Victor >> software, says >> it's loading the book, but then there isn't any book. I know it's just >> my lack >> of knowledge of how this works since I've never used bookshare before >> now. Any >> help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. >> Lauren >> -- >> "Help me be a channel of Thy peace >> That where there is hatred, I may bring love; >> That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; >> That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; >> That where there is error, I may bring truth; >> That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) >> Now that you can see all you have done >> (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; >> That where there are shadows, I may bring light) >> It's time to take that step into the kingdom >> (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) >> All your sins will help to make you strong >> (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. >> That I may seek to understand than to be understood) >> And help you break right through the prison wall >> (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, >> for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, >> it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) >> Keep all of me, >> The desires that once burned me deep inside >> Help me live today >> And help to give me grace >> To carry out your ways >> I am ready, help me be all I can be >> I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" >> from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater >> >> -- >> "Help me be a channel of Thy peace >> That where there is hatred, I may bring love; >> That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; >> That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; >> That where there is error, I may bring truth; >> That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) >> Now that you can see all you have done >> (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; >> That where there are shadows, I may bring light) >> It's time to take that step into the kingdom >> (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) >> All your sins will help to make you strong >> (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. >> That I may seek to understand than to be understood) >> And help you break right through the prison wall >> (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, >> for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, >> it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) >> Keep all of me, >> The desires that once burned me deep inside >> Help me live today >> And help to give me grace >> To carry out your ways >> I am ready, help me be all I can be >> I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" >> from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 19:43:31 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:43:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local><409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> <3C87EF74BA094E7496BA789FE19130B5@nbp2.local> Message-ID: <8CE81E81908F43D0934EA3832EE52A7F@TheDoubleD> The research it feature thing is cool, but yeah, they made it like it was the most important feature around. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4530 (20091021) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 20:25:25 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:25:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local><409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> <3C87EF74BA094E7496BA789FE19130B5@nbp2.local> Message-ID: hmm i have a maintanence agreement and one more upgrade and my woman for assistive technology said that if jaws 11 wasnt appealing to hold out and wait for jaws 12... -Teal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio Guimaraes" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > Hello Darian, > > I am not knocking the feature, just the way the press release was written > to hype the thing to the only tool you'll ever need to be employable, and > succeed in school. > > I won't have to worry about it for long, since Jaws 11 will be the last > version of the software I ever pay for. > > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darian Smith" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > > >> Antonio and list, >> Let me say that I understand the validity of your statement. That >> said; why not? one can also ask, what's the big deal with being able >> to change the voice to something of a British-sounding voice, or >> having your voice sound really scratchy when you want to read or >> edit a document? >> so long as it's improved over the last versions and not taken a step >> backword, and you can use it with windows 7, i think it's probably a >> success. Do you think so? >> Darian >> >> >> On 10/20/09, Joe Orozco wrote: >>> No, I agree it does absolutely nothing to contribute to the things you >>> mentioned, but I have to say it is rather convenient to get sports >>> scores, >>> weather, definitions and general information with a few keystrokes. >>> When >>> you pay as much as you do for the damn thing, it had better have a few >>> of >>> these bells and whistles. >>> >>> Joe Orozco >>> >>> "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the >>> crowd."--Max Lucado >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio Guimaraes >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 4:02 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released >>> >>> How is knowing the weather and sports scores going to improve >>> the productivity, advance education, and opportunities for blind people? >>> >>> Either the release misses the mark, or the tool is useful, but >>> not all that revolutionary. >>> >>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "David Andrews" >>> To: ; ; >>> ; ; ; >>> >>> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 10:31 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released >>> >>> >>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>> >>> Media Contact: Brad Davis >>> 800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 >>> www.FreedomScientific.com >>> Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com >>> Freedom Scientific Releases JAWSR 11 >>> Users Praise the Benefits of "Research It" Feature (St. >>> Petersburg, Florida, October 19, 2009) - Freedom Scientific >>> today announced the English release of JAWS version 11, the >>> world's leading screen reader for visually impaired computer >>> users. This new release includes features that will expand >>> educational and employment opportunities for users at all levels. >>> These new features include Research It, Word Index, a free >>> software DAISY player, and enhancements specifically for >>> Windows 7, including UI Automation support and improved ARIA support. >>> The new Research It feature lets users quickly access >>> information for any application and immediately return to what >>> they were doing. Use just a few keystrokes to look up >>> information such as word definitions, Wikipedia results, >>> weather conditions, news stories, or even sports scores. When >>> you have finished reviewing the information, simply press >>> ESCAPE to return to your current task. An Internet connection >>> is all that is required to use Research It with JAWS 11. There >>> is also a very comprehensive Research It Developer's Guide that >>> shows how individuals or organizations can modify Research It >>> to create their own lookups on the Web or even within their own >>> network for improved on-the-job efficiency. >>> For more information, listen to the September FSCast, where >>> this feature and others are demonstrated and discussed in detail. >>> Beginning with PAC MateT Omni earlier this year and now with >>> JAWS 11, Freedom Scientific is pleased to include a free >>> FSReader software DAISY player for all of our customers. "There >>> is no question that DAISY books are becoming more and more a >>> part of our everyday lives," said Eric Damery, Vice President >>> of Software Product Management, "and having a free reader >>> installed along with our screen reader and MAGicR screen >>> magnification products is a real benefit. >>> We have also updated all the free Basic Training DAISY books, >>> and they are all now shipping right on the DVD. >>> Hear All the New JAWS 11 Features Demonstrated in FSCast Listen >>> to Eric Damery, Product Manager for JAWS, and Jonathan Mosen, >>> Vice President of Blindness Hardware Product Management, >>> discuss the latest JAWS 11 enhancements in both the August 2009 >>> FSCast and the September 2009 FSCast. The August FSCast covers >>> all the new features, and the September FSCast discusses more >>> changes to Research It and includes an interview with Glen >>> Gordon, the Chief Technology Officer. For more information >>> about JAWS 11, see the What's New page. >>> About Freedom Scientific >>> Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide provider of >>> assistive technology products for those with vision >>> impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has >>> offices in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have >>> been translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. >>> Freedom also has a line of software products for those with >>> learning disabilities. >>> Freedom ScientificR, JAWS for WindowsR, PAC MateT Omni, and >>> MAGicR are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the >>> United States and/or other countries. >>> The names of actual companies and products mentioned herein may >>> be the trademarks of their respective owners. >>> >>> Forward email >>> >>> >>> This email was sent to >>> rgardner4 at gmail.com by freedomscientificnews at freedomscientific.com. >>> Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal >>> with SafeUnsubscribeT | Privacy Policy. 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Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be >> done, and >> usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aguimaraes%40nbp.org >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From alberto.2500 at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 21:08:05 2009 From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:08:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare In-Reply-To: <000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net> <000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <4adf7836.0a4d5e0a.5e2b.ffffeb30@mx.google.com> What are you trying to open it with? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare I can't open the one I got from bookshare. I can unzip the files but that's all I can do. Any ideas? Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren B. Hunter" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > Hello All, > I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I'm having trouble with > using a book > from bookshare and was hoping maybe someone here could help me out. I've > attempted > contacting tech support, and received one response but haven't heard > anything since. > I've been able to download the book, and I can open the files, but I > can't actually > get to the text of the book. The one file that will open the Victor > software, says > it's loading the book, but then there isn't any book. I know it's just > my lack > of knowledge of how this works since I've never used bookshare before > now. Any > help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. > Lauren > -- > "Help me be a channel of Thy peace > That where there is hatred, I may bring love; > That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; > That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; > That where there is error, I may bring truth; > That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) > Now that you can see all you have done > (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; > That where there are shadows, I may bring light) > It's time to take that step into the kingdom > (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) > All your sins will help to make you strong > (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. > That I may seek to understand than to be understood) > And help you break right through the prison wall > (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, > for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, > it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) > Keep all of me, > The desires that once burned me deep inside > Help me live today > And help to give me grace > To carry out your ways > I am ready, help me be all I can be > I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" > from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater > > -- > "Help me be a channel of Thy peace > That where there is hatred, I may bring love; > That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; > That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; > That where there is error, I may bring truth; > That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) > Now that you can see all you have done > (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; > That where there are shadows, I may bring light) > It's time to take that step into the kingdom > (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) > All your sins will help to make you strong > (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. > That I may seek to understand than to be understood) > And help you break right through the prison wall > (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, > for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, > it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) > Keep all of me, > The desires that once burned me deep inside > Help me live today > And help to give me grace > To carry out your ways > I am ready, help me be all I can be > I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" > from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail .com From alberto.2500 at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 21:10:53 2009 From: alberto.2500 at gmail.com (Alberto Arreola) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:10:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare In-Reply-To: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net> References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <4adf78de.095c5e0a.6a03.ffffeaeb@mx.google.com> Are you using a victor reader stream, a Braille note, or M-power to try and read these files or what are you using? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lauren B. Hunter Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:10 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare Hello All, I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I'm having trouble with using a book from bookshare and was hoping maybe someone here could help me out. I've attempted contacting tech support, and received one response but haven't heard anything since. I've been able to download the book, and I can open the files, but I can't actually get to the text of the book. The one file that will open the Victor software, says it's loading the book, but then there isn't any book. I know it's just my lack of knowledge of how this works since I've never used bookshare before now. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. Lauren -- "Help me be a channel of Thy peace That where there is hatred, I may bring love; That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; That where there is error, I may bring truth; That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) Now that you can see all you have done (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; That where there are shadows, I may bring light) It's time to take that step into the kingdom (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) All your sins will help to make you strong (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. That I may seek to understand than to be understood) And help you break right through the prison wall (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) Keep all of me, The desires that once burned me deep inside Help me live today And help to give me grace To carry out your ways I am ready, help me be all I can be I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater -- "Help me be a channel of Thy peace That where there is hatred, I may bring love; That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; That where there is error, I may bring truth; That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) Now that you can see all you have done (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; That where there are shadows, I may bring light) It's time to take that step into the kingdom (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) All your sins will help to make you strong (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. That I may seek to understand than to be understood) And help you break right through the prison wall (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) Keep all of me, The desires that once burned me deep inside Help me live today And help to give me grace To carry out your ways I am ready, help me be all I can be I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail .com From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 21:54:21 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:54:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local><409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com><3C87EF74BA094E7496BA789FE19130B5@nbp2.local> <8CE81E81908F43D0934EA3832EE52A7F@TheDoubleD> Message-ID: <9B9D2C1068E14DA79765EFB89461480B@teal6e6857f643> yeah and you have to have an internet connection to access that but why not just google that stuff? -Teal ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > The research it feature thing is cool, but yeah, they made it like it was > the most important feature around. > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4530 (20091021) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From liz.bottner at gmail.com Wed Oct 21 23:12:46 2009 From: liz.bottner at gmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:12:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released In-Reply-To: References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local><409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> <3C87EF74BA094E7496BA789FE19130B5@nbp2.local> Message-ID: <4adf9565.06c8100a.56ed.5064@mx.google.com> I don't think you can hold out for 12, you can only use the SMA on consecutive versions, as I understand it. Anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though. Take care, Liz email: liz.bottner at gmail.com Visit my livejournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com  Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot From andrewjedg at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 02:14:11 2009 From: andrewjedg at gmail.com (Andrew Edgcumbe) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:14:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] some descrimination Message-ID: Hi all I hope things are going well for you. I am from Canada and stuff. Anyway I have been running into some descrimination from a place in the states where I was going to or was sapost to go to for a conference. The man who sent it in feels bad about what has happened. The man that I am talking about lives in canada. Anyway he sent my name and stuff in for the conference. I all of a sudden got a call from him one day to say he got an email from the place in new york. the place is called waverly. I at least the city is waverly. 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Manage your subscription From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 03:48:31 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:48:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net><000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <4adf7836.0a4d5e0a.5e2b.ffffeb30@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004701ca52ca$879b6520$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> kerswale. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Arreola" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > What are you trying to open it with? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Rania > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > > I can't open the one I got from bookshare. I can unzip the files but > that's > all I can do. Any ideas? > Rania, > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lauren B. Hunter" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 2:10 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > > >> Hello All, >> I hope everyone is having a wonderful day. I'm having trouble with >> using a book >> from bookshare and was hoping maybe someone here could help me out. I've >> attempted >> contacting tech support, and received one response but haven't heard >> anything since. >> I've been able to download the book, and I can open the files, but I >> can't actually >> get to the text of the book. The one file that will open the Victor >> software, says >> it's loading the book, but then there isn't any book. I know it's just >> my lack >> of knowledge of how this works since I've never used bookshare before >> now. Any >> help would be appreciated. Thanks so much. >> Lauren >> -- >> "Help me be a channel of Thy peace >> That where there is hatred, I may bring love; >> That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; >> That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; >> That where there is error, I may bring truth; >> That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) >> Now that you can see all you have done >> (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; >> That where there are shadows, I may bring light) >> It's time to take that step into the kingdom >> (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) >> All your sins will help to make you strong >> (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. >> That I may seek to understand than to be understood) >> And help you break right through the prison wall >> (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, >> for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, >> it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) >> Keep all of me, >> The desires that once burned me deep inside >> Help me live today >> And help to give me grace >> To carry out your ways >> I am ready, help me be all I can be >> I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" >> from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater >> >> -- >> "Help me be a channel of Thy peace >> That where there is hatred, I may bring love; >> That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; >> That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; >> That where there is error, I may bring truth; >> That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) >> Now that you can see all you have done >> (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; >> That where there are shadows, I may bring light) >> It's time to take that step into the kingdom >> (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) >> All your sins will help to make you strong >> (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. >> That I may seek to understand than to be understood) >> And help you break right through the prison wall >> (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, >> for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, >> it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) >> Keep all of me, >> The desires that once burned me deep inside >> Help me live today >> And help to give me grace >> To carry out your ways >> I am ready, help me be all I can be >> I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" >> from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alberto.2500%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com > From lbingalls at pcdesk.net Thu Oct 22 08:04:27 2009 From: lbingalls at pcdesk.net (Lauren B. Hunter) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:04:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare In-Reply-To: <004701ca52ca$879b6520$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net><000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <4adf7836.0a4d5e0a.5e2b.ffffeb30@mx.google.com> <004701ca52ca$879b6520$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Message-ID: <4AE0120B.8010408@pcdesk.net> Thanks for those of you who tried to help. i never did hear back from the guy who originally responded to my request for assistance at the site. But at the bottom of his email was a general address for support. So i tried writing a message to that address and i got a response back from someone who was extremely helpful. Not only did he respond back to me, but he gave me ideas that might help. He offered to call me to try to help me figure out my problem. He did call me, and there was a program i had to get rid of that i wasn't using to be able to unzip my files. For anyone else who is having trouble with bookshare books, i'd suggest emailing support at bookshare.org i have a ton to read for my class, but at least i can get it finished now. Thanks again. Lauren -- "Help me be a channel of Thy peace That where there is hatred, I may bring love; That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; That where there is error, I may bring truth; That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) Now that you can see all you have done (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; That where there are shadows, I may bring light) It's time to take that step into the kingdom (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) All your sins will help to make you strong (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. That I may seek to understand than to be understood) And help you break right through the prison wall (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) Keep all of me, The desires that once burned me deep inside Help me live today And help to give me grace To carry out your ways I am ready, help me be all I can be I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 10:27:05 2009 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:27:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare References: <4ADF4E8D.3050404@pcdesk.net><000501ca527a$ddfaf660$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <4adf7836.0a4d5e0a.5e2b.ffffeb30@mx.google.com><004701ca52ca$879b6520$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> <4AE0120B.8010408@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <004f01ca5302$34ab9320$2c01a8c0@DHQ5QJF1> Thank you I will send an email to the link you provided. Thanks again! Rania, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren B. Hunter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with a book from bookshare > Thanks for those of you who tried to help. i never did hear back from > the guy who originally responded to my request for assistance at the site. > But at the bottom of his email was a general address for support. So i > tried writing a message to that address and i got a response back from > someone who was extremely helpful. Not only did he respond back to me, > but he gave me ideas that might help. He offered to call me to try to > help me figure out my problem. He did call me, and there was a program i > had to get rid of that i wasn't using to be able to unzip my files. For > anyone else who is having trouble with bookshare books, i'd suggest > emailing > support at bookshare.org > i have a ton to read for my class, but at least i can get it finished now. > Thanks again. > Lauren > -- > "Help me be a channel of Thy peace > That where there is hatred, I may bring love; > That where there is wrong, I may bring the spirit of forgiveness; > That where there is discord, I may bring harmony; > That where there is error, I may bring truth; > That where there is doubt, I may bring faith) > Now that you can see all you have done > (That where there is despair, I may bring hope; > That where there are shadows, I may bring light) > It's time to take that step into the kingdom > (That where there is sadness, I may bring joy) > All your sins will help to make you strong > (That I may seek rather to comfort, than to be comforted. > That I may seek to understand than to be understood) > And help you break right through the prison wall > (That I may seek to love, rather than to be loved, > for it is by self-forgetting that one finds, > it is by forgiving that one is forgiven) > Keep all of me, > The desires that once burned me deep inside > Help me live today > And help to give me grace > To carry out your ways > I am ready, help me be all I can be > I am ready, help guide me and keep me free" > from "The Shattered Fortress" by Dream Theater > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com Thu Oct 22 14:49:48 2009 From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:49:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] some descrimination In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3af83dbb0910220749hb9b74aepfad80fc749992c9e@mail.gmail.com> Wow, that's awful. I'm sorry you experienced that. Here in America we have this law called the americans with disabilities act and that means you should never be turned down. When you sign up for conferences in the future I would let the person running the conference know that you are blind, and then let them know if you need any accommodations. If they freak out and tell you that you can't come, remind them that they have to accommodate you if you're asking for reasonable accommodations. When I was starting my year with Americorps I had an interesting experience. We had a conference to attend at a hotel. Not only had they put me in my own room, the room was away from everyone else and it was for people in wheel chairs. So when I arrived I explained that being off by myself was going to make the experience really challenging and to please find me a room mate. So they did. They really should have asked me before I arrived what was going to be the best way to accommodate me, but they didn't. They also failed to make sure someone was there at the airport to make sure I got on the bus to the hotel. People just need to be educated. I wish you the best in the future. -- Alena Roberts Blog: http://www.blindgal.com/ From agrima at nbp.org Thu Oct 22 18:35:12 2009 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:35:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tactile American Flags Message-ID: Hello! Here's a product announcement from National Braille Press. Thanks, Tony Grima National Braille Press Tactile American Flags! In contracted or uncontracted braille, $5.00 All ages! Does your child or student know what the American flag looks like? Have they read the Pledge of Allegiance? These brilliant, red, white and blue flags from KBTI feature tactile stars and stripes. The tactile horizontal red stripes are labeled with the lower case "r" at the far right, and the white stripes are labeled with the lower case "w." The Pledge of Allegiance is displayed in large print over the red and white stripes, in alternating black and white lettering, and is also written in braille over the red stripes. Immediately beneath the flag is a key in braille. Flags measure 7.5" x 9.5". Select either Contracted or Uncontracted braille! See the flag or order at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/FLAG.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 20. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From iamantonio at cox.net Fri Oct 23 00:32:50 2009 From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:32:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] some descrimination References: Message-ID: <2F969D80B5B34DBAABC52F516279C8CF@userf9b4fa60eb> What conference did you try to attend, and who are the people responsible. You should pursue the discrimination issues with them, until you are satisfied to let it go, or to attend in following years. Antonio Guimaraes If an infinite number of rednecks riding in an infinite number of pickup trucks fire an infinite number of shotgun rounds at an infinite number of highway signs, they will eventually produce all the world's great literary works in Braille. Shop online and support the NFB of RI at no additional cost to you. http://www.givebackamerica.com/charity.php?b=169 Givebackamerica.org, America's Online Charity Shopping Mall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Edgcumbe" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:14 PM Subject: [nabs-l] some descrimination > Hi all > > I hope things are going well for you. > > I am from Canada and stuff. > > Anyway I have been running into some descrimination from a place in > the states where I was going to or was sapost to go to for a > conference. > > The man who sent it in feels bad about what has happened. The man that > I am talking about lives in canada. > > Anyway he sent my name and stuff in for the conference. I all of a > sudden got a call from him one day to say he got an email from the > place in new york. the place is called waverly. I at least the city is > waverly. I got turned away because of my blindness because they were > talking about i think steps and stuff. the person did email back and > said there would be soe somebody with me but they still turned me > down. > > I would like to go to future conferences but I am not sure what to do. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Fri Oct 23 03:53:00 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:53:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] some descrimination Message-ID: <20091023035300.28999.99081@web3.serotek.com> Andrew, The united States has the Americans with Disabilities Act which says that they can't discriminate against you based on disability. Even if steps were a problem for you, the law requires that the conference facilities need to be accessible since it's a public place. I'm guessing however, that steps aren't a problem for you. The ADA also states that you have a right to refuse accommodations that yu don't want or need. If the conference provides someone to assist you and you don't want/or need such assistance, you do have the right to say no and still attend the conference. I hope that helps. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi all > I hope things are going well for you. > I am from Canada and stuff. > Anyway I have been running into some descrimination from a place in > the states where I was going to or was sapost to go to for a > conference. > The man who sent it in feels bad about what has happened. The man that > I am talking about lives in canada. > Anyway he sent my name and stuff in for the conference. I all of a > sudden got a call from him one day to say he got an email from the > place in new york. the place is called waverly. I at least the city is > waverly. I got turned away because of my blindness because they were > talking about i think steps and stuff. the person did email back and > said there would be soe somebody with me but they still turned me > down. > I would like to go to future conferences but I am not sure what to do. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk Sat Oct 24 02:08:42 2009 From: tony.sales at rncb.ac.uk (Anthony Sales) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:08:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vinux 2.0 Command Line Interface Edition - Release Announcement Message-ID: Vinux 2.0 Command Line Interface Edition - Release Announcement I am happy to announce the release of the CLI Edition of Vinux 2.0 ! The CLI edition comes in the form of an installable live CD which provides a console only version of Debian Lenny 5.03 with Speakup installed and enabled by default. This editon is aimed at intermediate and advanced users and perhaps beginners who want an easy introduction to the command line interface. It was inspired by GRML, but is aimed specifically at VI desktop users rather than sighted sysadmins. It comes with over a thousand packages installed covering all of the main catagories: editors, browsers, mail clients, text-based games and lots of utilities etc. It also features over 60 single character command aliases for all of the most common commands e.g. 'm' for menu, 'i' for internet, 'e' for editor etc. To see a full list just type 'h' to view the help file or 'a' to see a list of all of the alias commands. You can find the iso and some documentaion at: http://vinux.org.uk/downloads/old/2.0/CLI-Edition/ Have Fun! drbongo _______________________________________________ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-list at gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From dandrews at visi.com Sat Oct 24 03:27:25 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 22:27:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released In-Reply-To: <026B57AC7E6845D088A8A3D2082A50EB@Yoka> References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local> <409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com> <026B57AC7E6845D088A8A3D2082A50EB@Yoka> Message-ID: It will work with Windows 7 -- so you will need it if you plan on upgrading. Also, you can't bank SMA's, you can't skip 11, and wait until 12, and use your upgrade then, unless you have two. Dave At 10:24 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote: >I'm sure it's a nice feature, but I think the question is if there >are enough features to make using up an SMA worth it. I mean...I >don't want to use something worth that much just so I can check >weather and sports more easily. I don't know what all of the new >features are, but if that is a highlighted feature, it disappoints >me a little bit that it requires surrendering my last SMA for it. > >Just my thoughts, >Meghan From tealbloodworth at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 13:27:57 2009 From: tealbloodworth at gmail.com (Teal Bloodworth) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:27:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released References: <54A3AA386310475EBE9604C2E3A402E9@nbp2.local><409c235c0910201836y72a38159saf540cd97cf9330c@mail.gmail.com><026B57AC7E6845D088A8A3D2082A50EB@Yoka> Message-ID: do you know if the voices are different? are there any differences with office 07? internet? what if i am staying in windows XP since i am getting a netbook for christmas and that is the version of windows on it so will this work with XP too? -Teal ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] JAWS 11 Released > It will work with Windows 7 -- so you will need it if you plan on > upgrading. > > Also, you can't bank SMA's, you can't skip 11, and wait until 12, and use > your upgrade then, unless you have two. > > Dave > > At 10:24 PM 10/20/2009, you wrote: >>I'm sure it's a nice feature, but I think the question is if there are >>enough features to make using up an SMA worth it. I mean...I don't want >>to use something worth that much just so I can check weather and sports >>more easily. I don't know what all of the new features are, but if that >>is a highlighted feature, it disappoints me a little bit that it requires >>surrendering my last SMA for it. >> >>Just my thoughts, >>Meghan > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tealbloodworth%40gmail.com From davidb521 at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 17:08:54 2009 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David Bouchard) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:08:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Arban Studies for Trumpet Message-ID: <4ae32690.8602be0a.65b6.337d@mx.google.com> Hi. I am looking for Arban's Complete Conservatory Method for Trumpet in a Braille format, or a format that can be translated into Braille. I was able to acquire the first two volumes from Web Braille, but am at a loss as to why the remaining 8 aren't available for download. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated, and if there are any other resources where I might be able to obtain Braille music either electronic or hardcopy, please let me know. Thanks, David From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Oct 24 18:14:52 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:14:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Metro Introduces Tool to Help Web Site Visitors Browse Content Message-ID: <67CF18B7A0F14E78828CCDD4EBC318F8@Rufus> For anyone in the DC area. Subject: Metro Introduces Tool to Help Web Site Visitors Browse Content Software reads aloud Web content as user moves cursor over words. Metro has a new software tool to help visitors browse its Web site. BrowseAloud is a free download available at www.MetroOpensDoors.com that will read aloud text as the user moves the cursor over words. "The software is especially useful for anyone who has difficulty reading online, including people with mild visual impairments, low literacy and reading skills, and learning disabilities such as dyslexia," said Suzanne Peck, Metro's Chief Information Officer. It also can be helpful for people with limited English language skills who may find it easier to listen to spoken words instead of reading text on a page. Information about the BrowseAloud free download is available at www.wmata.com/accessibility/browse_aloud.cfm and through the "speaker" icon located at the bottom right side of every page on Metro's Web site. Once a user installs the free software on their computer, he or she can move the cursor over a selection of text and BrowseAloud will highlight the words and read to them aloud. Rikki S. Epstein ADA Operations Manager Office of ADA Programs Department of Access Services Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority 600 5th Street, NW Washington, DC 20001 202-962-1125 (phone) 202-962-2722 (fax) repstein at wmata.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4537 (20091023) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4537 (20091023) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Oct 25 16:50:00 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:50:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A New Music Invasion On Tonight's Djd Invasion Message-ID: <767EDECFABE941B38B5455034EA6F8F7@TheDoubleD> Greetings Everybody! The last Djd Invasion of October is going to be fun. Why you ask? Well here's why: For one thing, we'll have my crazy cast of friends joining in for our four-hour party Some awesome new music, with a Cash It Or Trash it track thrown in A surprise from an artist that The Djd Invasion fan base has grown to know and love will be given to you tonight. What is that surprise you ask? You'll have to join us to find out For those baseball fans out there, we'll be keeping you up with the Yankees Angels score And who knows what other crazy and unpredictable twists and turns the show will take One thing I do know though is that during the show, you'll be able to send comments and requests by email/msn/aol instant messenger at the address live at radio360.us or, when we're not playing songs, feel free to pick up the telephone and give the show a call at 516-717-4425 to talk with us live on the air. Will Skype act up like it did last week? Only time will tell. Speaking of time, the show's duration is approximately 4 hours, and its starting time is at 7 PM eastern (6 PM central, 5 PM mountain, 4 PM pacific) so to listen at the above mentioned times, save this email, and at any time during the show, you can go to http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml to tune in. I hope to see you there! Best regards, David Dunphy, Radio360 Station Manager http://www.radio360.us __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4540 (20091025) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sun Oct 25 17:08:20 2009 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:08:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Accessible World presents "Friday Night at the Movies, " starring Will Smith, November 6, 2009 Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: News Wire To: ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: Accessible World presents "Friday Night at the Movies," starring Will Smith, November 6, 2009 News Wire: Friday night at the movies features "Seven Pounds". Described. Audio only, mp3 format. Two years ago Tim Thomas (Will Smith) was in a car crash, which was caused by him using his mobile phone; seven people died: six strangers and his fiancée, Sarah Jenson (Robinne Lee). Movie opens with Tim (now using his bother's name -Ben) making a 911 call to report a suicide - his. Then we see Ben at the IRS building researching. Next his brother calls him, Ben asks if he's smoking again - he says no. His brother asks if he took anything while he was staying there, Ben says no but he remembers giving him something. A year after the crash, and having quit his job as an aeronautical engineer, Tim donates a lung lobe to his brother, Ben (Michael Ealy), an IRS employee. Six months later he donates part of his liver to a child services worker named Holly (Judyann Elder). After that he begins searching for more candidates to receive donations. He finds George (Bill Smitrovich), a junior hockey coach, and donates a kidney to him, and then donates bone marrow to a young boy named Nicholas (Quintin Kelley). Tim steals his brother's IRS credentials, so he can check out candidates for his two final donations. The first candidate is Ezra Turner (Woody Harrelson), a blind meat salesman who plays the piano. Tim calls Ezra Turner and harasses him at work to check if he is quick to anger. Ezra remains calm and Tim decides he is worthy. The second candidate is Charles, who runs a nursing home. Tim decides Charles is not a worthy candidate when he denies an elderly patient a bath. There is a flashback of Ben checking on a hockey coach, and we later see them the day of the surgery. He then contacts Emily Posa (Rosario Dawson), a self-employed greeting card printer who has a heart condition and a rare blood type. He visits her in the hospital, learns she has been put on the donor list. He spends time with her, weeding her garden and fixing her rare Heidelberg printer. They go on a walk, have dinner together. He begins to fall in love with her and decides that as her condition has worsened he needs to make his donation. Two weeks before he dies he contacts Holly and asks if she knows anyone who deserves help. She suggests Connie Tepos (Elpidia Carrillo), who lives with an abusive boyfriend. Tim moves out of his house and into a local motel taking with him his pet box jellyfish. One night, after being beaten, Connie contacts Tim and he gives her the keys and deed to his beach house. She takes her two children and moves in to their new home. His brother tracks him down to Emily's house. Ben then demands that Tim return his IRS ID to him. Tim leaves and returns to the motel. He fills the bathtub with ice water to preserve his vital organs, climbs in, and then commits suicide by pulling his extremely poisonous jellyfish into the water with him. His friend Dan (Barry Pepper) acts as executor to ensure that his organs are donated to Emily and Ezra. Ezra Turner receives his corneas and Emily receives his heart. Afterwards, Emily meets Ezra at a concert and they begin to talk. We see the 911 call again, flashback to the accident where his girlfriend is looking at her engagement ring, and he is looking at his blackberry. Year: 1998, Rating: R. Nancy Lynn, Group Facilitator Email: Freespirit52 at charter.net Date: Friday, November 6th, 2009 Time: 6:00 p.m. PST, 7:00 p.m. MST, 8:00 p.m. CST, 9:00 p.m. EST and elsewhere in the world Saturday 2:00 GMT. Approximately 15 minutes prior to the event start time; go to the Accessible World Auditorium at: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rs5affc3cfa191 Or, alternatively, Select the Accessible World Auditorium at: www.accessibleworld.org Enter your first and last names on the sign up screen. 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I would take it in Braille, but I like the instant feedback of the comptuer version and I need to have quick results go i can get into a grad program for the spring term. Also, I do not want to do audio for hte reason that it would be delayefd in scoring, but also that I do not trust whoever they would have read the exam. Make sense? Please help! I need an accessible exam! Harry From noreply at serotek.com Tue Oct 27 03:08:35 2009 From: noreply at serotek.com (Serotek Announcements) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:08:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ETI-Eloquence now available for purchase Message-ID: Serotek is excited to announce that ETI-Eloquence, one of the most popular and responsive text-to-speech engines on the market, can now be purchased for use with Serotek products. For just $25, you'll have the ability to use Eloquence from your computers with System Access or SAMNet installed, from your portable U3 thumb drive, and even from System Access to Go. If you are not familiar with the Eloquence text to speech engine, you can listen to a sample here. If you are familiar with Eloquence and want to start using it today, getting permanent access to Eloquence is easy. If you're an existing customer, simply log in here and purchase Eloquence from the buy wizard. Eloquence is also included as part of your 30-day free trial of System Access and the System Access Mobile Network, so if you haven't yet signed up for a trial, now is the perfect time to do so. Simply visit www.satogo.com and log in to your existing free account or create a new one. Once you're logged in, open the System Access menu with modifier+f, press a for the "my account option" and choose the link entitled "Install System Access on this computer." If you're ready to purchase Eloquence or begin a free trial of System Access and SAMNet and would like the assistance of a Serotek representative, you may call (866) 202-0520. The Serotek Team From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 03:13:14 2009 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:13:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question Message-ID: <3fea3c410910262013t5f47e110o6bb0a0af6265a092@mail.gmail.com> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research interests me. My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I could effectively do. I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t want to mislead her. Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research assistants have are helpful. Cindy From JFreeh at nfb.org Tue Oct 27 03:17:05 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:17:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Announces Louisiana Tech Will Use Braille Coin in Coin Toss Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Announces Louisiana Tech Will Use Braille Coin in Coin Toss Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar Will Be Used in Coin Toss at Bulldogs Game Ruston, Louisiana (October 26, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind, the nation’s leading advocate for Braille, is pleased to announce that Louisiana Tech University will use a 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar in the coin toss at its football game on November 6. The popular Louisiana Tech Bulldogs, a NCAA division I football team, will play the Boise State Broncos. Congress authorized the minting in 2009 of 400,000 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollars to mark the two-hundredth anniversary of the birth of Louis Braille (1809–1852) and to support the efforts of the National Federation of the Blind to promote literacy among blind Americans. This unique and beautiful commemorative coin is the first U.S. currency to feature tactile, readable Braille. A portion of the proceeds from sales of the 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar will be used to support the NFB’s “Braille Readers are Leaders” campaign, a national initiative created to double the number of blind children learning Braille by 2015, improve certification standards for teachers of Braille, and conduct innovative programs to support Braille literacy. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: “We are pleased Louisiana Tech University is recognizing the critical importance of Braille literacy for the blind by including the Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar in its football game on November 6. There can be no doubt that the ability to read and write Braille competently and efficiently is the key to education, employment, and success for the blind; yet only one in ten blind children in the United States are currently learning it. We are asking all Americans to help us in ensuring literacy, education, productivity, and success for every blind American by purchasing a 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar today.” Those interested in ordering a 2009 Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar or the new Braille Education Set, which features the coin in a collectible folder designed to highlight the life and legacy of Louis Braille, should visit www.braille.org or www.usmint.gov or call 1-800-USA-MINT (872-6468). The Louis Braille Bicentennial Silver Dollar and the Braille Education Set will only be available until December 11, 2009. For more information about the National Federation of the Blind and the Braille Readers are Leaders campaign, visit www.braille.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From NShaheen at nfb.org Tue Oct 27 03:24:03 2009 From: NShaheen at nfb.org (Shaheen, Natalie) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:24:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Readers Are Leaders Message-ID: Dear Federationists: The Braille Readers Are Leaders contest is about to begin! Numerous Braille readers from all over the country are already signed up. Don't be left behind, sign up today for either the K-12 or adult contest! Dates to Remember: * Register by November 1 to be guaranteed a Braille Readers Are Leaders T-shirt * Contest reading period: November 1, 2009–January 4, 2010 * Reading logs and entry forms are due January 22, 2010 Don't forget you can form a Braille Readers Are Leaders team with your friends to be eligible for an additional prize! I wish you all happy reading and good luck in the contest! If you have questions or need more information visit our Web site at www.nfb.org/bral or feel free to contact me. Braille Rocks! Natalie Shaheen Natalie L. Shaheen, MEd Education Program Specialist Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 E. Wells Street at Jernigan Place. Baltimore, MD 21230 Phone: (410) 659-9314 x2293 Email: nshaheen at nfb.org Fax: (410) 659-5129 Visit: www.nfb.org From jbeasley at jb11.net Tue Oct 27 03:33:52 2009 From: jbeasley at jb11.net (Jeremiah B. Beasley) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:33:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Web 2.0 Survey Message-ID: We are working on creating a list of accessible web 2.0 sites. If you have used a site with a screen reader and it has worked for you then we would like to know about it. Please take time to fill out or survey! You can find our survey at http://tinyurl.com/accessweb20. Please feel free to pass this address along to anyone who might be able to help. Thanks! Jeremiah Beasley From srp at internode.on.net Tue Oct 27 04:08:07 2009 From: srp at internode.on.net (Steve Pattison) Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:08:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [gui-talk] Fwd: Jaws 11 security update Message-ID: From: Daniel Keogh DKeogh at quantumtechnology.com.au To: vip-l at softspeak.com.au Hi all, There has been some discussion lately about a security hole found in Jaws 11 and also in Windows. For a lot of you this will not be an issue and you probably won't need this update. If any of the following applies to you then you should download and install this update: 1. You are running a copy of windows and need a password to log in. 2. You're running a system with more than 1 user and any or all of those users have restricted access. 3. You only have 1 user but that user has restricted access. For anyone else you probably won't need to worry too much about this. It's not something that anyone who's not physically sitting at your computer can take advantage of. For those people waiting to get the cd before you update you will get the version with the fix included. You won't need to download it separately. Regards, Danny Keogh Quantum Technology Blindness Software/Hardware Sales and Support Phone: 03 9545 4102 Mobile: 0439 022 146 Email dkeogh at quantumtechnology.com.au Our 2010 scholarship program is now open. See www.quantumtechnology.com.au/scholarshipprogram for more details. Quantum Technology Home: www.quantumtechnology.com.au From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 04:15:27 2009 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:15:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410910262013t5f47e110o6bb0a0af6265a092@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fea3c410910262013t5f47e110o6bb0a0af6265a092@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there are plenty of ways that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on that rathr than on your blindness. Mary On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: > I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are > opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing > this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. > I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research > just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of > details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am > now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research > interests me. > > My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my > interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their > research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work > with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior > and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the > only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, > so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform > these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss > whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should > I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or > should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to > meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in > which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong > for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to > confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be > meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her > data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? > I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want > some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I > could effectively do. > > I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be > sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because > then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t > want to mislead her. > > Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research > assistants have are helpful. > > Cindy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Tue Oct 27 05:10:28 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:10:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Accessible World presents "Friday Night at the Movies, " starring Will Smith, November 6, 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000601ca56c3$ce86c270$6b944750$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> It's a really good movie. They actually show a blind person with a job and everything; it's highly refreshing. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of V Nork Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Accessible World presents "Friday Night at the Movies, " starring Will Smith, November 6, 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: News Wire To: ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:39 AM Subject: Accessible World presents "Friday Night at the Movies," starring Will Smith, November 6, 2009 News Wire: Friday night at the movies features "Seven Pounds". Described. Audio only, mp3 format. Two years ago Tim Thomas (Will Smith) was in a car crash, which was caused by him using his mobile phone; seven people died: six strangers and his fiancée, Sarah Jenson (Robinne Lee). Movie opens with Tim (now using his bother's name -Ben) making a 911 call to report a suicide - his. Then we see Ben at the IRS building researching. Next his brother calls him, Ben asks if he's smoking again - he says no. His brother asks if he took anything while he was staying there, Ben says no but he remembers giving him something. A year after the crash, and having quit his job as an aeronautical engineer, Tim donates a lung lobe to his brother, Ben (Michael Ealy), an IRS employee. Six months later he donates part of his liver to a child services worker named Holly (Judyann Elder). After that he begins searching for more candidates to receive donations. He finds George (Bill Smitrovich), a junior hockey coach, and donates a kidney to him, and then donates bone marrow to a young boy named Nicholas (Quintin Kelley). Tim steals his brother's IRS credentials, so he can check out candidates for his two final donations. The first candidate is Ezra Turner (Woody Harrelson), a blind meat salesman who plays the piano. Tim calls Ezra Turner and harasses him at work to check if he is quick to anger. Ezra remains calm and Tim decides he is worthy. The second candidate is Charles, who runs a nursing home. Tim decides Charles is not a worthy candidate when he denies an elderly patient a bath. There is a flashback of Ben checking on a hockey coach, and we later see them the day of the surgery. He then contacts Emily Posa (Rosario Dawson), a self-employed greeting card printer who has a heart condition and a rare blood type. He visits her in the hospital, learns she has been put on the donor list. He spends time with her, weeding her garden and fixing her rare Heidelberg printer. They go on a walk, have dinner together. He begins to fall in love with her and decides that as her condition has worsened he needs to make his donation. Two weeks before he dies he contacts Holly and asks if she knows anyone who deserves help. She suggests Connie Tepos (Elpidia Carrillo), who lives with an abusive boyfriend. Tim moves out of his house and into a local motel taking with him his pet box jellyfish. One night, after being beaten, Connie contacts Tim and he gives her the keys and deed to his beach house. She takes her two children and moves in to their new home. His brother tracks him down to Emily's house. Ben then demands that Tim return his IRS ID to him. Tim leaves and returns to the motel. He fills the bathtub with ice water to preserve his vital organs, climbs in, and then commits suicide by pulling his extremely poisonous jellyfish into the water with him. His friend Dan (Barry Pepper) acts as executor to ensure that his organs are donated to Emily and Ezra. Ezra Turner receives his corneas and Emily receives his heart. Afterwards, Emily meets Ezra at a concert and they begin to talk. 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Unsubscribe: this link Update your preferences or unsubscribe: this link Forward a Message to Someone: this link From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Oct 27 05:48:49 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:48:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question Message-ID: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a reader. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi, > If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email > her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, > however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there > are plenty of ways that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so > request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able > to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a > resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on > that rathr than on your blindness. > Mary > On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >> interests me. >> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >> could effectively do. >> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >> want to mislead her. >> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >> assistants have are helpful. >> Cindy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From aguimaraes at nbp.org Tue Oct 27 14:22:39 2009 From: aguimaraes at nbp.org (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:22:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] For students, a study about braille usage Message-ID: Hello all, Here is a chance for some of you to take part in a study about braille usage. The study consists of a survey, and an interview. The interview is optional. Antonio Guimaraes [Flyer for Students: Announcement of Study] Seeking Students for Research Study Students who are between the ages of 16 and 22 years who are braille readers and users of assistive technology are needed for a study. This study will explore how you use both braille and electronic information for classroom work, and how you learned these literacy practices. The purpose of this research will be to add to our understanding of the current role of both hard-copy (paper) braille and use of electronic access to information by people who are blind from ages 16-22, and your attitudes and perceptions about both braille and technology. This information will inform how we prepare pre-service teachers to instruct young braille readers. If you are interested in participating in this study or getting more information, please contact me via email at fmd22 at pitt.edu, by calling 412-521-5797, or by writing to me at: Frances Mary D'Andrea 5513 Posvar Hall University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh PA 15260 If you are under 18, you MUST have your parents' or guardians' permission. A consent form will be send to you in braille or electronically after you verify that you are: 1. between the ages of 16-22 2. a student enrolled in school 3. a braille reader 4. a user of electronic assistive technology devices, hardware, or software. If you are under 18, your parents will also receive a consent form that must be signed before you can participate. Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your interest! Frances Mary D'Andrea From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 15:36:53 2009 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:36:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> References: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <3fea3c410910270836m49f8fe4cr1b4f8cb8bfaaa9f@mail.gmail.com> That's a good idea; i didn't think of havig a reader in this type of situation. I guess what i'm worried about is taking the proper measures and such, but i will definitely meet up with her. Thanks Cindy On 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: > Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just > describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using > a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you > to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a reader. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Hi, >> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >> are plenty of ways that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >> that rathr than on your blindness. >> Mary > >> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>> interests me. > >>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>> could effectively do. > >>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>> want to mislead her. > >>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>> assistants have are helpful. > >>> Cindy > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 15:44:47 2009 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:44:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410910270836m49f8fe4cr1b4f8cb8bfaaa9f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> <3fea3c410910270836m49f8fe4cr1b4f8cb8bfaaa9f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: That's a fabulous idea. I use readers for data analysis with SPSS, ut I never thought of using them in labs too. I like this Jedi. Smile. Mary On 10/27/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: > That's a good idea; i didn't think of havig a reader in this type of > situation. I guess what i'm worried about is taking the proper > measures and such, but i will definitely meet up with her. > > Thanks > > Cindy > > On 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: >> Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just >> describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using >> a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you >> to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a >> reader. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> >> Original message: >>> Hi, >>> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >>> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >>> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >>> are plenty of ways that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >>> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >>> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >>> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >>> that rathr than on your blindness. >>> Mary >> >>> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>>> interests me. >> >>>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>>> could effectively do. >> >>>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>>> want to mislead her. >> >>>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>>> assistants have are helpful. >> >>>> Cindy >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From troubleclark at gmail.com Tue Oct 27 16:17:53 2009 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:17:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] For students, a study about braille usage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am going to be apart of this study. Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 10/27/09, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > Hello all, > > > > Here is a chance for some of you to take part in a study about braille > usage. > > > > The study consists of a survey, and an interview. The interview is optional. > > > > Antonio Guimaraes > > > > [Flyer for Students: Announcement of Study] > > > > Seeking Students for Research Study > > > > Students who are between the ages of 16 and 22 years who are braille readers > and users of assistive technology are needed for a study. This study will > explore how you use both braille and electronic information for classroom > work, and how you learned these literacy practices. The purpose of this > research will be to add to our understanding of the current role of both > hard-copy (paper) braille and use of electronic access to information by > people who are blind from ages 16-22, and your attitudes and perceptions > about both braille and technology. This information will inform how we > prepare pre-service teachers to instruct young braille readers. > > > > If you are interested in participating in this study or getting more > information, please contact me via email at fmd22 at pitt.edu, by calling > 412-521-5797, or by writing to me at: > > Frances Mary D'Andrea > > 5513 Posvar Hall > > University of Pittsburgh > > Pittsburgh PA 15260 > > > > If you are under 18, you MUST have your parents' or guardians' permission. A > consent form will be send to you in braille or electronically after you > verify that you are: > > 1. between the ages of 16-22 > > 2. a student enrolled in school > > 3. a braille reader > > 4. a user of electronic assistive technology devices, hardware, or software. > > If you are under 18, your parents will also receive a consent form that must > be signed before you can participate. > > > > Let me know if you have any questions. Thank you for your interest! > > > > Frances Mary D'Andrea > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Oct 27 17:35:28 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:35:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Computer Access make eBooks accessible, announcing EPUB support in three new alternative format solutions Message-ID: dolphin logo PRESS RELEASE For release: Immediately Alternative format experts Dolphin Computer Access make eBooks accessible, announcing EPUB support in three new alternative format solutions New Jersey, USA. October 26, 2009. Following significant interest of the EPUB standard at the recent Frankfurt Book fair, Dolphin Computer Access is delighted to announce support for unprotected EPUB publications* in its latest line of alternative format solutions. Dolphin's latest solutions empower readers to not only access EPUB materials with EasyReader version 5.10, but also repurpose them into alternative formats such as Braille or DAISY with EasyConverter version 5.01, and even add an instant talking book reader to DAISY talking book materials with EasyReader Express. These innovative solutions are being launched at the ATIA Chicago conference in Chicago’s Renaissance Schaumburg Hotel and Convention Center; October 28th – 31st 2009. Bringing Access to a growing EPUB Market In August 2009, Google announced their hosting of over 1 million out of copyright eBooks in the increasingly popular open EPUB format. Google were quickly followed by a host of eBook retailers and publishers providing their publications in the EPUB format. Noel Duffy, Managing Director of Dolphin Computer Access explains how this series of developments impacts on the wider reading world; “The wide spread adoption of the EPUB file format goes a long way to providing a standard platform for the eBook industry to grow from. Dolphin Computer Access is delighted to be taking a leading role in extending the ebook phenomena to learning disabled, dyslexic and visually impaired readers.” Read your favorite EPUB eBooks with EasyReader version 5.10 Dolphin Computer Access is delighted to announce the release of EasyReader digital talking book player version 5.10 at ATIA Chicago, providing fully synchronized text and speech support for all unprotected EPUB publications. Mattias Karlsson explains: “The addition of EPUB support in EasyReader enables blind, low vision and learning disabled readers immediate access to the growing eBook market. For sighted people, eBooks represent a convenience. But for print impaired people, electronic books represent a necessity since print publications are simply not accessible. Thanks to EasyReader version 5.10, these readers can now open any unprotected EPUB book and experience their preferred combination of audio and highlighted text.” The release of EasyReader version 5.10 quickly follows the previous release of EasyReader version 5.01 which set new standards in the eBook and DAISY talking book market. Dolphin’s AltFormat Product Manager Mattias Karlsson continues; “EasyReader v5.01 was designed to be easy to use and fully accessible to keyboard users while remaining visually engaging to mouse users. The improvements made to the user experience in version 5.01 went a long way to cement EasyReader’s status as THE software talking book playback tool.” To experience EPUB books with EasyReader version 5.10, visit the Dolphin booth 518 at ATIA Chicago in Chicago’s Renaissance Schaumburg Hotel and Convention Center; October 28th thru 31st, 2009. To find out more about EasyReader version 5.10, visit the Dolphin Computer Access website. Convert EPUB books into Accessible Large Print, DAISY, MP3 & Braille with EasyConverter version 5.01 Dolphin Computer Access is also pleased to announce the release of EasyConverter version 5.01 at ATIA Chicago, the essential software toolkit for creating large print, DAISY talking book, MP3 audio and Braille. New to EasyConverter version 5.01 is support for converting unprotected EPUB files into accessible alternative formats, as well as numerous improvements that are designed to deal with the real issues that face people creating alternative format materials on a daily basis. Dolphin's AltFormat Product Manager Mattias Karlsson explains; “The addition of unprotected EPUB input enables EasyConverter users to benefit from the increasing availability of EPUB publications, which can be repurposed in whichever format the reader prefers. EasyConverter version 5.01 simplifies the process of creating alternative formats, whilst expertly guiding the user through the different steps involved in creating high quality alternative formats.” EasyConverter version 5.01 also includes an all new Optical Character Recognition (OCR) Editor that incorporates the latest OmniPage 16 OCR technology, ensuring the scanning of PDF and paper documents is more accurate and easier than ever. To find out more about EasyConverter version 5.01, visit the Dolphin Computer Access website. Deliver Instant DAISY Talking Books with EasyReader Express Exclusive to ATIA Chicago, Dolphin Computer Access will also be introducing a new and innovative solution for delivering DAISY talking book materials to a wider audience including vision impaired and learning disabled readers. EasyReader Express is a revolutionary service enabling corporate and not for profit organizations, Federal and State departments to deliver instant DAISY by “adding” EasyReader Express to their talking book content. Dolphin's AltFormat Product manager Mattias Karlsson explains more about this latest DAISY development; "Dolphin has been leading in the field of DAISY production and playback tools for many years and EasyReader Express is no exception. As the world's fastest growing alternative format, the benefits of the DAISY format have been recognized by users and organizations internationally. But unlike large print and Braille, DAISY requires a playback tool and organizations cannot assume or guarantee that their users will have access to one. "This is where EasyReader Express is different. EasyReader Express delivers instant DAISY to any Windows PC. There is no need to have an existing software DAISY player, it requires no installation and like its sibling product EasyReader, it is extremely easy and intuitive to use. "We truly believe that EasyReader Express will enable the DAISY format to take its popularity to the next level and reach an even wider audience. Equally for those people who already know they prefer DAISY, EasyReader Express will offer a viable solution to enable organizations from around the world to confidently offer DAISY as one of their alternative formats options." ATIA Chicago attendees can preview EasyReader Express at the Dolphin booth 518 at ATIA Chicago in Chicago’s Renaissance Schaumburg Hotel and Convention Center; October 28th thru 31st, 2009. Alternatively to learn more about the forthcoming release of EasyReader Express, visit the Dolphin Computer Access website. *Some EPUB formats are protected by Digital Rights Management (DRM) tools. These protected EPUB publications are currently not supported by the Dolphin Computer Access alternative format tools. END For all press enquiries contact: Hazel Shaw Group Marketing Manager Dolphin Computer Access hazel.shaw at dolphinuk.co.uk www.YourDolphin.com +44 (0)1905 754 577 ext 218 +44 (0) 7989 444 541 Simon Kitchen Altformat Brand Manager Dolphin Computer Access simon.kitchen at dolphinuk.co.uk www.YourDolphin.com +44 (0)1905 754 577 ext 229 David Andrews and white cane Harry. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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National Braille Press is pleased to bring the story, the man, and his menagerie of animals to life in three ways: a print/ braille book by five-time Caldecott Award-winner Jerry Pinkney that tells the story of Noah; twelve delightful tactiles by tactile artist Ann Cunningham; as well as a booklet called Fun Facts About Noah's Ark that tells you things about turtles, penguins, giraffes, elephants, and dragonflies you never knew! This three-part set is meant to bring hours of conversation and learning to the whole family or classroom. Don't wait to order: Noah's Ark makes a one-of-a-kind gift! And don't forget the Braille Caravan! Join the Braille Caravan - an amazing tactile toy from Creative Adaptations for Learning. Made in the USA, each block of the caravan represents a braille cell fashioned in goldenrod non-toxic plastic, with six contrasting black pegs that glide up or down to form dots 1-6. Use your finger, stylus, or pencil to push the peg forward from the underside of the block, just as you would with a slate and stylus. Flip the block over and read what you wrote. Blocks connect to form a caravan of words, numbers, or sentences - build, challenge, and hone tactile reading, writing, and spelling skills. Braille Caravan includes 30 blocks in a carrying bag, an Activity Guide, and an English Braille Symbols Chart, for only $34! Order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From serenacucco at verizon.net Wed Oct 28 01:20:11 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:20:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question References: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <009801ca576c$cbcd14e0$0401a8c0@Serene> I think Cindy just meant that she cannot physically observe the rats alone, not that she wouldn't be open to using a reader. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jedi" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question > Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just > describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using a > live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you to > visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a reader. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Hi, >> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >> are plenty of ways that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >> that rathr than on your blindness. >> Mary > >> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>> interests me. > >>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>> could effectively do. > >>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>> want to mislead her. > >>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>> assistants have are helpful. > >>> Cindy > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > From screwdrivermary at yahoo.com Wed Oct 28 03:06:23 2009 From: screwdrivermary at yahoo.com (Mary Oliver) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:06:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> Message-ID: <129676.48708.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Jedi, I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from working in a lab, but to me, this doesn't seem that simple. Yes, Cindy could get a reader who could tell her what the rats are doing, but then what would Cindy be contributing to the lab? Often as an undergraduate lab assistant, you get the "grunt work" of collecting data or physically running experiments while the more experienced faculty and graduate students do a lot of the thinking. There are certainly lots of exceptions, but if the main point of Cindy's job would be to observe the rats and gather data about their behavior, and she hired a reader to help her accomplish those tasks, wouldn't she just be hiring someone to do her job? Maybe it would be better if she could find a lab project she could contribute to independently with marginal, if any, assistance from a reader. There are probably several options, and personally, I would feel a lot better about my job if I knew I wasn't relying on a sighted person to do most of it.   Respectfully,Mary --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: From: Jedi Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:48 AM Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a reader. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi, > If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email > her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, > however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there > are plenty of ways  that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so > request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able > to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a > resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on > that rathr than on your blindness. > Mary > On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >> interests me. >> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >> could effectively do. >> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >> want to mislead her. >> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >> assistants have are helpful. >> Cindy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/screwdrivermary%40yahoo.com From brownbears at mchsi.com Wed Oct 28 03:39:34 2009 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:39:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Net books Message-ID: <9DB266A1B1F242E28BCE845C3C3F71F2@MIRANDA> Does anyone know anything abut net books? Like which ones have better keyboards and which is the best one for the money. Miranda From JFreeh at nfb.org Wed Oct 28 05:00:02 2009 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:00:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Files Complaint with United States Department of Education Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Files Complaint with United States Department of Education Inaccessible Web Site U.S.A. Learns Discriminates Against the Blind Baltimore, Maryland (October 27, 2009): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the nation's oldest and largest organization of blind people and the leading advocate for equal access by the blind to information technology, and Carlos Mora, a blind resident of Baltimore, Maryland, filed an administrative complaint today with the United States Department of Education. The complaint asserts that one of the United States Department of Education's Web sites, U.S.A Learns, violates Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act because it is inaccessible to blind people who use text-to-speech screen access technology or Braille displays to access information on the Internet. Because of the inaccessibility of the U.S.A Learns Web site, blind people cannot access or navigate through the content of the English vocabulary, spelling, and pronunciation lessons that are offered through the site. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "In an age where the Internet is a part of everyday life, blind people must have equal access to the information and resources provided on the World Wide Web. In particular, the United States government has a legal and moral obligation to ensure that the information it provides on the Internet is equally accessible to all in America, including the blind. It is especially ironic that the Department of Education, which is commissioned to provide educational opportunities for all, would deny blind people access to a Web site that provides instructive tools for those who speak English as a second language. This is unacceptable and we demand equal access for all blind people." Carlos Mora, a blind individual from Baltimore, Maryland, said: "I work full time and have been accepted to a master's degree program at Johns Hopkins University, and English is my second language. I attempted to use the U.S.A. Learns Web site to prepare for my everyday life and my future studies by practicing English vocabulary, spelling, and pronunciation, but the Web site was not accessible to me. It is frustrating to be denied access to any Web site, but it is especially so when I am being denied access to a Web site with educational tools that would help me to become a more active and productive member of American society." This is the third complaint filed by the National Federation of the Blind on behalf of blind people in America regarding the inaccessibility of a federal government Web site. The NFB plans to file complaints about other inaccessible federal government Web sites as the organization continues to receive multiple reports from blind people of barriers they have faced while trying to access government information, programs, and services on the Internet. Complainants are represented by attorneys Daniel F. Goldstein and Allison L. Harper of Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP, 120 E. Baltimore Street, Suite 1700, Baltimore, Maryland 21202, (410) 962-1030, fax: (410) 385-0869, dfg at browngold.com, ah at browngold.com, www.browngold.com. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From dandrews at visi.com Wed Oct 28 05:16:22 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:16:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Net books In-Reply-To: <9DB266A1B1F242E28BCE845C3C3F71F2@MIRANDA> References: <9DB266A1B1F242E28BCE845C3C3F71F2@MIRANDA> Message-ID: What is a "good" keyboard is very much a subjective thing, the size and placement, and feel of the keys etc. I have a Samsung NC10 (I think is the number,) and like it fine. Dave At 10:39 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone know anything abut net books? Like which ones have better >keyboards and which is the best one for the money. > >Miranda >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4550 (20091028) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 06:09:31 2009 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (Nimer) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:09:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Net books In-Reply-To: References: <9DB266A1B1F242E28BCE845C3C3F71F2@MIRANDA> Message-ID: <4AE7E01B.6000805@gmail.com> Hello, I've heard real good things about the samsungs. I have an Acer and finds it meets my needs. I purchased it for $300. It has the standard Atom processor, a gig of ram, a 160 GB HD, and the keyboard feels really comfortable. This one has good reviews as well. I think the best thing you can do is go to the different stores and try them out. Thanks Nimer J David Andrews wrote: > What is a "good" keyboard is very much a subjective thing, the size > and placement, and feel of the keys etc. I have a Samsung NC10 (I > think is the number,) and like it fine. > > Dave > > At 10:39 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: >> Does anyone know anything abut net books? Like which ones have better >> keyboards and which is the best one for the money. >> >> Miranda >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4550 (20091028) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > From srp at internode.on.net Wed Oct 28 06:38:56 2009 From: srp at internode.on.net (Steve Pattison) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:38:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 10 Update released, includes security enhancements just released for JAWS 11 Message-ID: From: Daniel Keogh DKeogh at quantumtechnology.com.au To: vip-l at softspeak.com.au Hi all, Below is an email from Eric Damery of Freedom Scientific. This is the same security fix that was released for Jaws 11. From: Eric Damery Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 3:29 PM All, Last Friday, we released an update for the JAWS 11 Release that came out on October 19th. These same changes have now been rolled into an update for JAWS 10 and we have released an update for JAWS 10 as a result. If a users has JAWS 10 installed today, and does a check for updates, they will get this security update now. Alternatively, if they go to the Freedom Scientific Download page for JAWS, they will find the full JAWS 10 English version is now version 10.0.1167 and this build contains the security update already. If you download this and install over top of a previously installed JAWS 10, the update is applied. Regards, Eric Damery Vice President, Software Product Management Freedom Scientific Inc. From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Oct 28 14:36:54 2009 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:36:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <129676.48708.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <20091027054849.23979.16265@web3.serotek.com> <129676.48708.qm@web59711.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3fea3c410910280736i597c2145j936ac43f2578a1ca@mail.gmail.com> Mary, I think you summed up what I meant better than I originally said it. Thanks Cindy On 10/27/09, Mary Oliver wrote: > Hi Jedi, > I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from working in a lab, but to > me, this doesn't seem that simple. Yes, Cindy could get a reader who could > tell her what the rats are doing, but then what would Cindy be contributing > to the lab? Often as an undergraduate lab assistant, you get the "grunt > work" of collecting data or physically running experiments while the more > experienced faculty and graduate students do a lot of the thinking. There > are certainly lots of exceptions, but if the main point of Cindy's job would > be to observe the rats and gather data about their behavior, and she hired a > reader to help her accomplish those tasks, wouldn't she just be hiring > someone to do her job? Maybe it would be better if she could find a lab > project she could contribute to independently with marginal, if > any, assistance from a reader. There are probably several options, and > personally, I would feel a lot better about my job if I knew I wasn't > relying on a > sighted person to do most of it. > > Respectfully,Mary > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: > > > From: Jedi > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:48 AM > > > Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just > describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using a > live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you to > visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a reader. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Hi, >> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >> are plenty of ways  that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >> that rathr than on your blindness. >> Mary > >> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>> interests me. > >>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>> could effectively do. > >>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>> want to mislead her. > >>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>> assistants have are helpful. > >>> Cindy > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/screwdrivermary%40yahoo.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Wed Oct 28 16:14:48 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:14:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs Message-ID: <000801ca57e9$c5711740$0401a8c0@Serene> Hey guys, Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? Thanks, Serena From jaedpo96 at aol.com Wed Oct 28 19:45:55 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:45:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Net books In-Reply-To: <4AE7E01B.6000805@gmail.com> References: <4AE7E01B.6000805@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CC261E65C278AB-FA4-3281@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Hi, I use a samsung netbook. My Mom ordered it from amazon. I don't think you can get samsung netbooks at stores here. You can get other brands of netbooks. I think it was about 400 dollars. It came with a 1 gig memory but we know a man who works on computers and he some how did something to make it 2 gigs. It has a 160 gig hard drive space also. I like it because it's small and portable. It does everything that a desk top does. I don't usually use the keyboard on it in less I am on a trip. I have a regular keyboard that I plug in to it. I did put braille labels on the laptop keyboard because it is set up different than a regular keyboared. i still like using the regular keyboard better just because it's bigger and the keys aren't as close together. -----Original Message----- From: Nimer To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 2:09 am Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Net books Hello, I've heard real good things about the samsungs. I have an Acer and finds it meets my needs. I purchased it for $300. It has the standard Atom processor, a gig of ram, a 160 GB HD, and the keyboard feels really comfortable. This one has good reviews as well. I think the best thing you can do is go to the different stores and try them out. Thanks Nimer J David Andrews wrote: > What is a "good" keyboard is very much a subjective thing, the size > and placement, and feel of the keys etc. I have a Samsung NC10 (I > think is the number,) and like it fine. > > Dave > > At 10:39 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: >> Does anyone know anything abut net books? Like which ones have better >> keyboards and which is the best one for the money. >> >> Miranda >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature database 4550 (20091028) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jaedpo96%40aol.com From jaedpo96 at aol.com Wed Oct 28 20:00:07 2009 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:00:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Net books In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CC262061082556-FA4-3684@webmail-d003.sysops.aol.com> Hey David it's Jason. I met you at the morgage burning party at the BLIND Inc buddy program last summer. I have a samsung nc10 too. I hope to go to national convintion next summer. I don't know if I'll be at BLIND inc next summer or not. I'll have to see if they'll except me again. I've beengoing there for 3 summers so far. If I go next year I'll bee 13 years old when I get there and 14 when I come back home. I don't know if I'll bee in life 101 or the buddy program. I think I'm ready for life 101, but I heard it's a lot more expensive than the buddy p[rogram. You have to be 14 to get a rehab counselor, and I will turn 14 while I am at BLIND inc. I have been having a good school year. I am in eighth grade. I am taking Spanish this year and it is fun. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 1:16 am Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Net books What is a "good" keyboard is very much a subjective thing, the size and placement, and feel of the keys etc. I have a Samsung NC10 (I think is the number,) and like it fine. Dave At 10:39 PM 10/27/2009, you wrote: >Does anyone know anything abut net books? Like which ones have better >keyboards and which is the best one for the money. > >Miranda >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi. com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 4550 (20091028) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jaedpo96%40aol.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Oct 28 22:58:19 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:58:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question Message-ID: <20091028225819.4245.80119@web2.serotek.com> Oh yeah. Readers are great for stuff like this. Let me refer you to an article I wrote a few years back entitled "The Proof is in the Pudding." The article details how I used readers to get information in a chem lab while not having all the fabulous equipment available to blind scientists. Also, don't forget that Cary Supalo has a company selling independent lab access tools, so I'd advise anyone interested in getting ahold of him. A couple of notes regarding my article. First, the article was written long before my name change, so don't be to confused. Next, look at the bibliography at the end as there are other artlces I mention including one from our own NABS President. The article is at http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm07/bm0705/bm070507.htm Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > That's a fabulous idea. I use readers for data analysis with SPSS, ut > I never thought of using them in labs too. I like this Jedi. Smile. > Mary > On 10/27/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> That's a good idea; i didn't think of havig a reader in this type of >> situation. I guess what i'm worried about is taking the proper >> measures and such, but i will definitely meet up with her. >> Thanks >> Cindy >> On 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: >>> Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just >>> describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using >>> a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you >>> to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a >>> reader. >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> Original message: >>>> Hi, >>>> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >>>> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >>>> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >>>> are plenty of ways that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >>>> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >>>> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >>>> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >>>> that rathr than on your blindness. >>>> Mary >>>> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>>>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>>>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>>>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>>>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>>>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>>>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>>>> interests me. >>>>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>>>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>>>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>>>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>>>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>>>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>>>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>>>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>>>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>>>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>>>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>>>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>>>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>>>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>>>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>>>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>>>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>>>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>>>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>>>> could effectively do. >>>>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>>>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>>>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>>>> want to mislead her. >>>>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>>>> assistants have are helpful. >>>>> Cindy >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>>> -- >>>> Mary Fernandez >>>> Emory University 2012 >>>> P.O. Box 123056 >>>> Atlanta Ga. >>>> 30322 >>>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>>> President Barack Obama >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Oct 28 23:32:25 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:32:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question Message-ID: <20091028233225.4250.46084@web2.serotek.com> Mary, Cindy, or any other blind person for that matter, is still doing the work even with a reader. The reader is doing all the visual work. For example, the reader announces digital readouts on scales, but the blind experimentor still manipulates and weighs the rats. The blind person is still responsible for taking notes and preparing data. The reader is only responsible for saying things like "The rat's chasing it's tail" or something. It's up to the blind person to know what tail chasing might mean in relationship to the experiment and presents the data to the supervisor. In other words, the blind experimentor does everything: she manipulates the environment, takes down the data, makes appropriate inferences, etc. The only thing the reader does is supply visual information about what's going on in places where visual information is necessary. It's no different than a deaf person using an interpreter. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi Jedi, > I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from working in a lab, but > to me, this doesn't seem that simple. Yes, Cindy could get a reader who > could tell her what the rats are doing, but then what would Cindy be > contributing to the lab? Often as an undergraduate lab assistant, you > get the "grunt work" of collecting data or physically running > experiments while the more experienced faculty and graduate students do > a lot of the thinking. There are certainly lots of exceptions, but if > the main point of Cindy's job would be to observe the rats and gather > data about their behavior, and she hired a reader to help her > accomplish those tasks, wouldn't she just be hiring someone to do her > job? Maybe it would be better if she could find a lab project she could > contribute to independently with marginal, if any, assistance from a > reader. There are probably several options, and personally, I would > feel a lot better about my job if I knew I wasn't relying on a > sighted person to do most of it. > Respectfully,Mary > --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: > From: Jedi > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:48 AM > Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just > describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using > a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you > to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a reader. > Respectfully, > Jedi > Original message: >> Hi, >> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >> are plenty of ways  that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >> that rathr than on your blindness. >> Mary >> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>> interests me. >>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>> could effectively do. >>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>> want to mislead her. >>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>> assistants have are helpful. >>> Cindy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/screwdrivermary%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Oct 28 23:39:03 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:39:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs Message-ID: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com> Hi. I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. You should also be aware that the accommodations application will require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hey guys, > Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math > and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were > you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you > dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities > and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or > Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? > Thanks, > Serena > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 00:52:48 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:52:48 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <20091028233225.4250.46084@web2.serotek.com> References: <20091028233225.4250.46084@web2.serotek.com> Message-ID: <85ff10070910281752h4416802an8955df799d35421c@mail.gmail.com> Hi Cindy and all, Cindy, if you'd like to fly out to Colorado, we could use your assistance in my social psych lab! Joking aside, I think you've stumbled on what I consider to be one of the biggest challenges facing blind students and professionals. On one hand, most careers nowadays are accessible to the blind. However, it seems like the greatest accessibility hurdles tend to lie in the entry-level jobs within a career. So while a blind professor can perform her duties no problem by doing many of the tasks (lesson planning, research design, data analysis) independently while hiring research assistants or TA's to handle visual things, entry-level research and teaching assistants don't always have the ability to hire subordinates and are expected to do many of the tasks that require less thinking, such as data entry and filing, which also tend to be more visual/less directly accessible. The catch-22, of course, is that all professionals need to get through the entry-level jobs before they can attain the status that allows them to do more of the thinking and to delegate visual tasks to subordinates. I am of the belief that one of our main priorities should be working to make entry-level positions (in every field) more accessible to the blind so we can climb the chain of command and gain experience just like our sighted counterparts. In the meantime, you have some options. The way I beat the challenge and got to be a graduate student in psychology without being a research assistant for someone else first was to design and carry out my own research study. Many universities offer an optional honors project or independent study where undergraduates can design a research project and carry it out under a professor's supervision. Not only was the job fully accessible (because I was in charge rather than working for someone else) but this kind of thing looks great when applying to graduate school if that's what you want to do. If your school offers something like this, perhaps find a professor who shares some of your research interests and see if you can do that instead of, or in addition to, working in a lab. The study I designed (some of you participated in it three years ago) was an online survey--relatively painless to collect the data and I got to learn how to design a study and analyze data in the process, things that RA's often don't get to do because these jobs are generally reserved for more advanced researchers. If you want to work in a lab, I do think using a reader could be a viable option. You certainly can handle animals and take measurements with a reader's help. If you work in a lab with human subjects, you will probably be expected to help with "subject running" which is basically meeting with a group of experiment participants and giving them printed materials or reading a script to them--both easy and completely accessible. Of course, if you know how to use a stats program or even just organize data in MS-Excel, that will be a skill that the other lab members will appreciate. Research assistants also often help with coding data, which is basically reading participants' responses and making a judgment about what category they fit into, evaluating their quality, etc. For example in my current study we have people write essays, get feedback and then write them again, so we want to see if their work gets better as a consequence of the feedback. Obviously this last thing is only applicable to human subjects. I don't know much about what RA's are expected to do with animal experimentation, but if you go to the professor with an open mind and show him/her the skills you can offer, I'm sure they will find a way to make use of your talents. It's also helpful if you offer to select the reader yourself, and to pay the person if you have the means to, or select a volunteer reader from a campus volunteer organization. The professor might offer to pay the reader or recommend people to serve in that role, but it's a good idea to at least offer to manage this accommodation on your own so they don't think bringing you on is a particular burden of time or money for them. >From a fellow psychologist--best of luck and tell us how it goes. What area of psychology are you thinking of going into? Arielle On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: > Mary, > > Cindy, or any other blind person for that matter, is still doing the > work even with a reader. The reader is doing all the visual work. For > example, the reader announces digital readouts on scales, but the blind > experimentor still manipulates and weighs the rats. The blind person is > still responsible for taking notes and preparing data. The reader is > only responsible for saying things like "The rat's chasing it's tail" > or something. It's up to the blind person to know what tail chasing > might mean in relationship to the experiment and presents the data to > the supervisor. In other words, the blind experimentor does everything: > she manipulates the environment, takes down the data, makes appropriate > inferences, etc. The only thing the reader does is supply visual > information about what's going on in places where visual information is > necessary. It's no different than a deaf person using an interpreter. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> Hi Jedi, >> I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from working in a lab, but >> to me, this doesn't seem that simple. Yes, Cindy could get a reader who >> could tell her what the rats are doing, but then what would Cindy be >> contributing to the lab? Often as an undergraduate lab assistant, you >> get the "grunt work" of collecting data or physically running >> experiments while the more experienced faculty and graduate students do >> a lot of the thinking. There are certainly lots of exceptions, but if >> the main point of Cindy's job would be to observe the rats and gather >> data about their behavior, and she hired a reader to help her >> accomplish those tasks, wouldn't she just be hiring someone to do her >> job? Maybe it would be better if she could find a lab project she could >> contribute to independently with marginal, if any, assistance from a >> reader. There are probably several options, and personally, I would >> feel a lot better about my job if I knew I wasn't relying on a >> sighted person to do most of it. > >> Respectfully,Mary >> --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: > > >> From: Jedi >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:48 AM > > >> Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just >> describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using >> a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you >> to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a >> reader. > >> Respectfully, >> Jedi > > >> Original message: >>> Hi, >>> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >>> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >>> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >>> are plenty of ways  that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >>> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >>> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >>> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >>> that rathr than on your blindness. >>> Mary > >>> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>>> interests me. > >>>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>>> could effectively do. > >>>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>>> want to mislead her. > >>>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>>> assistants have are helpful. > >>>> Cindy > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > > > >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > >> -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/screwdrivermary%40yahoo.com > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 00:58:20 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:58:20 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs In-Reply-To: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com> References: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com> Message-ID: <85ff10070910281758r55326989x4afbdac29970415e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Serena, I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the computer test. One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is the eye exam a new requirement? Arielle On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: > Hi. > > I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more > about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested > to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for > essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE > testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader > access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You > can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. > > You should also be aware that the accommodations application will > require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual > accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact > assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > Original message: >> Hey guys, > >> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? > >> Thanks, >> Serena >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 01:09:25 2009 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:09:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <85ff10070910281752h4416802an8955df799d35421c@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091028233225.4250.46084@web2.serotek.com> <85ff10070910281752h4416802an8955df799d35421c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3fea3c410910281809y1d8557c9k54bc9a005229b87b@mail.gmail.com> The data are actually collected automatically in this case, and since this would be my first research experience, i would not take part in the analyzing process. I spoke with the professor today, and we discussed other things that i could definitely do. She was very positive about working with me. Thanks for all of your input. I still welcome any lab tips that you might have. Cindy On 10/28/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Cindy and all, > > Cindy, if you'd like to fly out to Colorado, we could use your > assistance in my social psych lab! > > Joking aside, I think you've stumbled on what I consider to be one of > the biggest challenges facing blind students and professionals. On one > hand, most careers nowadays are accessible to the blind. However, it > seems like the greatest accessibility hurdles tend to lie in the > entry-level jobs within a career. So while a blind professor can > perform her duties no problem by doing many of the tasks (lesson > planning, research design, data analysis) independently while hiring > research assistants or TA's to handle visual things, entry-level > research and teaching assistants don't always have the ability to hire > subordinates and are expected to do many of the tasks that require > less thinking, such as data entry and filing, which also tend to be > more visual/less directly accessible. The catch-22, of course, is that > all professionals need to get through the entry-level jobs before they > can attain the status that allows them to do more of the thinking and > to delegate visual tasks to subordinates. I am of the belief that one > of our main priorities should be working to make entry-level positions > (in every field) more accessible to the blind so we can climb the > chain of command and gain experience just like our sighted > counterparts. > > In the meantime, you have some options. The way I beat the challenge > and got to be a graduate student in psychology without being a > research assistant for someone else first was to design and carry out > my own research study. Many universities offer an optional honors > project or independent study where undergraduates can design a > research project and carry it out under a professor's supervision. Not > only was the job fully accessible (because I was in charge rather than > working for someone else) but this kind of thing looks great when > applying to graduate school if that's what you want to do. If your > school offers something like this, perhaps find a professor who shares > some of your research interests and see if you can do that instead of, > or in addition to, working in a lab. The study I designed (some of you > participated in it three years ago) was an online survey--relatively > painless to collect the data and I got to learn how to design a study > and analyze data in the process, things that RA's often don't get to > do because these jobs are generally reserved for more advanced > researchers. > > If you want to work in a lab, I do think using a reader could be a > viable option. You certainly can handle animals and take measurements > with a reader's help. If you work in a lab with human subjects, you > will probably be expected to help with "subject running" which is > basically meeting with a group of experiment participants and giving > them printed materials or reading a script to them--both easy and > completely accessible. Of course, if you know how to use a stats > program or even just organize data in MS-Excel, that will be a skill > that the other lab members will appreciate. Research assistants also > often help with coding data, which is basically reading participants' > responses and making a judgment about what category they fit into, > evaluating their quality, etc. For example in my current study we have > people write essays, get feedback and then write them again, so we > want to see if their work gets better as a consequence of the > feedback. Obviously this last thing is only applicable to human > subjects. I don't know much about what RA's are expected to do with > animal experimentation, but if you go to the professor with an open > mind and show him/her the skills you can offer, I'm sure they will > find a way to make use of your talents. It's also helpful if you offer > to select the reader yourself, and to pay the person if you have the > means to, or select a volunteer reader from a campus volunteer > organization. The professor might offer to pay the reader or recommend > people to serve in that role, but it's a good idea to at least offer > to manage this accommodation on your own so they don't think bringing > you on is a particular burden of time or money for them. > > >From a fellow psychologist--best of luck and tell us how it goes. What > area of psychology are you thinking of going into? > > Arielle > > On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >> Mary, >> >> Cindy, or any other blind person for that matter, is still doing the >> work even with a reader. The reader is doing all the visual work. For >> example, the reader announces digital readouts on scales, but the blind >> experimentor still manipulates and weighs the rats. The blind person is >> still responsible for taking notes and preparing data. The reader is >> only responsible for saying things like "The rat's chasing it's tail" >> or something. It's up to the blind person to know what tail chasing >> might mean in relationship to the experiment and presents the data to >> the supervisor. In other words, the blind experimentor does everything: >> she manipulates the environment, takes down the data, makes appropriate >> inferences, etc. The only thing the reader does is supply visual >> information about what's going on in places where visual information is >> necessary. It's no different than a deaf person using an interpreter. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> >> Original message: >>> Hi Jedi, >>> I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from working in a lab, but >>> to me, this doesn't seem that simple. Yes, Cindy could get a reader who >>> could tell her what the rats are doing, but then what would Cindy be >>> contributing to the lab? Often as an undergraduate lab assistant, you >>> get the "grunt work" of collecting data or physically running >>> experiments while the more experienced faculty and graduate students do >>> a lot of the thinking. There are certainly lots of exceptions, but if >>> the main point of Cindy's job would be to observe the rats and gather >>> data about their behavior, and she hired a reader to help her >>> accomplish those tasks, wouldn't she just be hiring someone to do her >>> job? Maybe it would be better if she could find a lab project she could >>> contribute to independently with marginal, if any, assistance from a >>> reader. There are probably several options, and personally, I would >>> feel a lot better about my job if I knew I wasn't relying on a >>> sighted person to do most of it. >> >>> Respectfully,Mary >>> --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: >> >> >>> From: Jedi >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:48 AM >> >> >>> Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just >>> describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using >>> a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you >>> to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a >>> reader. >> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >> >> >>> Original message: >>>> Hi, >>>> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >>>> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >>>> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >>>> are plenty of ways  that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >>>> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >>>> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >>>> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >>>> that rathr than on your blindness. >>>> Mary >> >>>> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>>>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>>>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>>>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>>>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>>>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>>>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>>>> interests me. >> >>>>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>>>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>>>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>>>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>>>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>>>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>>>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>>>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>>>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>>>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>>>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>>>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>>>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>>>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>>>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>>>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>>>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>>>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>>>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>>>> could effectively do. >> >>>>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>>>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>>>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>>>> want to mislead her. >> >>>>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>>>> assistants have are helpful. >> >>>>> Cindy >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> -- >>>> Mary Fernandez >>>> Emory University 2012 >>>> P.O. Box 123056 >>>> Atlanta Ga. >>>> 30322 >>>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>>> President Barack Obama >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >>> -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/screwdrivermary%40yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu Oct 29 02:14:12 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:14:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs Message-ID: <20091029021412.17231.61502@web2.serotek.com> It must be. The exam has all kinds of stuff on it. Ms. Kelly says she had to send someone with prosthetic eyes to get the same assessment form filled out even though they had no eyes to examine so to speak. I wonder when they started that. I was told that the computer test still has a couple problems with it, so that was why I was recommended not to take it. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi Serena, > I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the > accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be > fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille > paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille > and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay > on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. > They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think > they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the > computer test. > One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty > level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your > peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely > to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille > test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. > When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a > signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I > was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is > the eye exam a new requirement? > Arielle > On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >> Hi. >> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> Original message: >>> Hey guys, >>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >>> Thanks, >>> Serena >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Thu Oct 29 02:54:56 2009 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:54:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question In-Reply-To: <3fea3c410910281809y1d8557c9k54bc9a005229b87b@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091028233225.4250.46084@web2.serotek.com> <85ff10070910281752h4416802an8955df799d35421c@mail.gmail.com> <3fea3c410910281809y1d8557c9k54bc9a005229b87b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301ca5843$33c0d8d0$9b428a70$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Congratulations! That's great it's starting off well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question The data are actually collected automatically in this case, and since this would be my first research experience, i would not take part in the analyzing process. I spoke with the professor today, and we discussed other things that i could definitely do. She was very positive about working with me. Thanks for all of your input. I still welcome any lab tips that you might have. Cindy On 10/28/09, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Cindy and all, > > Cindy, if you'd like to fly out to Colorado, we could use your > assistance in my social psych lab! > > Joking aside, I think you've stumbled on what I consider to be one of > the biggest challenges facing blind students and professionals. On one > hand, most careers nowadays are accessible to the blind. However, it > seems like the greatest accessibility hurdles tend to lie in the > entry-level jobs within a career. So while a blind professor can > perform her duties no problem by doing many of the tasks (lesson > planning, research design, data analysis) independently while hiring > research assistants or TA's to handle visual things, entry-level > research and teaching assistants don't always have the ability to hire > subordinates and are expected to do many of the tasks that require > less thinking, such as data entry and filing, which also tend to be > more visual/less directly accessible. The catch-22, of course, is that > all professionals need to get through the entry-level jobs before they > can attain the status that allows them to do more of the thinking and > to delegate visual tasks to subordinates. I am of the belief that one > of our main priorities should be working to make entry-level positions > (in every field) more accessible to the blind so we can climb the > chain of command and gain experience just like our sighted > counterparts. > > In the meantime, you have some options. The way I beat the challenge > and got to be a graduate student in psychology without being a > research assistant for someone else first was to design and carry out > my own research study. Many universities offer an optional honors > project or independent study where undergraduates can design a > research project and carry it out under a professor's supervision. Not > only was the job fully accessible (because I was in charge rather than > working for someone else) but this kind of thing looks great when > applying to graduate school if that's what you want to do. If your > school offers something like this, perhaps find a professor who shares > some of your research interests and see if you can do that instead of, > or in addition to, working in a lab. The study I designed (some of you > participated in it three years ago) was an online survey--relatively > painless to collect the data and I got to learn how to design a study > and analyze data in the process, things that RA's often don't get to > do because these jobs are generally reserved for more advanced > researchers. > > If you want to work in a lab, I do think using a reader could be a > viable option. You certainly can handle animals and take measurements > with a reader's help. If you work in a lab with human subjects, you > will probably be expected to help with "subject running" which is > basically meeting with a group of experiment participants and giving > them printed materials or reading a script to them--both easy and > completely accessible. Of course, if you know how to use a stats > program or even just organize data in MS-Excel, that will be a skill > that the other lab members will appreciate. Research assistants also > often help with coding data, which is basically reading participants' > responses and making a judgment about what category they fit into, > evaluating their quality, etc. For example in my current study we have > people write essays, get feedback and then write them again, so we > want to see if their work gets better as a consequence of the > feedback. Obviously this last thing is only applicable to human > subjects. I don't know much about what RA's are expected to do with > animal experimentation, but if you go to the professor with an open > mind and show him/her the skills you can offer, I'm sure they will > find a way to make use of your talents. It's also helpful if you offer > to select the reader yourself, and to pay the person if you have the > means to, or select a volunteer reader from a campus volunteer > organization. The professor might offer to pay the reader or recommend > people to serve in that role, but it's a good idea to at least offer > to manage this accommodation on your own so they don't think bringing > you on is a particular burden of time or money for them. > > >From a fellow psychologist--best of luck and tell us how it goes. What > area of psychology are you thinking of going into? > > Arielle > > On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >> Mary, >> >> Cindy, or any other blind person for that matter, is still doing the >> work even with a reader. The reader is doing all the visual work. For >> example, the reader announces digital readouts on scales, but the blind >> experimentor still manipulates and weighs the rats. The blind person is >> still responsible for taking notes and preparing data. The reader is >> only responsible for saying things like "The rat's chasing it's tail" >> or something. It's up to the blind person to know what tail chasing >> might mean in relationship to the experiment and presents the data to >> the supervisor. In other words, the blind experimentor does everything: >> she manipulates the environment, takes down the data, makes appropriate >> inferences, etc. The only thing the reader does is supply visual >> information about what's going on in places where visual information is >> necessary. It's no different than a deaf person using an interpreter. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> >> Original message: >>> Hi Jedi, >>> I definitely don't want to discourage anyone from working in a lab, but >>> to me, this doesn't seem that simple. Yes, Cindy could get a reader who >>> could tell her what the rats are doing, but then what would Cindy be >>> contributing to the lab? Often as an undergraduate lab assistant, you >>> get the "grunt work" of collecting data or physically running >>> experiments while the more experienced faculty and graduate students do >>> a lot of the thinking. There are certainly lots of exceptions, but if >>> the main point of Cindy's job would be to observe the rats and gather >>> data about their behavior, and she hired a reader to help her >>> accomplish those tasks, wouldn't she just be hiring someone to do her >>> job? Maybe it would be better if she could find a lab project she could >>> contribute to independently with marginal, if any, assistance from a >>> reader. There are probably several options, and personally, I would >>> feel a lot better about my job if I knew I wasn't relying on a >>> sighted person to do most of it. >> >>> Respectfully,Mary >>> --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Jedi wrote: >> >> >>> From: Jedi >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing research in a lab and a blindness question >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 2009, 5:48 AM >> >> >>> Who says you can't watch rats when you're blind? Why can't someone just >>> describe what's happening with the rats just like in DVS or when using >>> a live reader? So long as the experiment doesn't actually require you >>> to visually perceive the rats, who cares if you're blind? Just get a >>> reader. >> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >> >> >>> Original message: >>>> Hi, >>>> If it is the professor and not an assistant, yes, by all means email >>>> her, and let her know that you are still interested in her research, >>>> however, you are blind and cannot watch rats on videos. However, there >>>> are plenty of ways  that oyu could effectively work in a lab, so >>>> request a meeting. Let her know though, since that way se will be able >>>> to think about ways htat you could work. Also, I hope you sent her a >>>> resume, so that she knows about your experience and evaluates you on >>>> that rathr than on your blindness. >>>> Mary >> >>>> On 10/26/09, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>>>> I am very interested in working in the psych lab on campus. There are >>>>> opportunities for undergrad students to get course credit for doing >>>>> this, but they have to interview with and be accepted by a professor. >>>>> I met with one of my psych professors today who I know does research >>>>> just to learn the logistics of the process, and he told me a lot of >>>>> details and answered a lot of my questions which was helpful. So I am >>>>> now in the process of corresponding with professors whose research >>>>> interests me. >> >>>>> My question is this. In my initial email, I simply expressed my >>>>> interest cordially and explained why I was interested in their >>>>> research. However, I got a reply of a professor who is willing to work >>>>> with me, but her research is concentrated on observing rats’ behavior >>>>> and taking measures such as wait and stuff. She may very well be the >>>>> only professor to reply positively to my desire to do research with, >>>>> so I want to say in an effective way that I may not be able to perform >>>>> these tasks, but I am still interested in meeting with her to discuss >>>>> whether there are jobs that I could effectively do in her lab. Should >>>>> I just respond that I am interested and arrange a time to meet, or >>>>> should I say that I am blind in my email but still request a time to >>>>> meet as well as mention the fact that there still might be ways in >>>>> which I contribute? I guess what I am curious about is, is it wrong >>>>> for me to say that I am interested but rather than meet with her to >>>>> confirm things like my response would connote, I would really be >>>>> meeting with her to let her know that there are several aspects of her >>>>> data collection that I cannot do? Should I turn down the opportunity? >>>>> I am all about the belief that I can do anything, but I wouldn’t want >>>>> some professor to take me on if there wasn’t enough things that I >>>>> could effectively do. >> >>>>> I would appreciate your input; in whatever I say, I just want to be >>>>> sure not to make my blindness look like a major hindrance, because >>>>> then she might rethink whether she wants to accept me, but I don’t >>>>> want to mislead her. >> >>>>> Thanks, and any lab tips that any of you experienced research >>>>> assistants have are helpful. >> >>>>> Cindy >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. com >> >> >> >>>> -- >>>> Mary Fernandez >>>> Emory University 2012 >>>> P.O. Box 123056 >>>> Atlanta Ga. >>>> 30322 >>>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>>> President Barack Obama >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samo bile.net >> >>> -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/screwdrivermary%40ya hoo.com >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samo bile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gma il.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From treyman19 at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 06:43:00 2009 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:43:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Question Message-ID: Hi My Name is Roosevelt Bradley. I was wondering if there is any one looking to get rid or sell or trade there BrailleNote? Please contact me at treyman19 at gmail.com or call me at 219-614-4650 thanks a lot. -- Roosevelt Bradley From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 16:34:21 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:34:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs References: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com> <85ff10070910281758r55326989x4afbdac29970415e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Like Arielle, I was able to take the test totally in Braille and dictated the answers to a scribe. When it came to the essays, I type them on the computer. If anything, I would suggest if you know Braille to get at least the math section in that format. Sincerely, Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > Hi Serena, > > I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the > accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be > fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille > paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille > and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay > on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. > They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think > they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the > computer test. > > One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty > level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your > peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely > to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille > test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. > > When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a > signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I > was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is > the eye exam a new requirement? > > Arielle > > On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >> >> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> Original message: >>> Hey guys, >> >>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >> >>> Thanks, >>> Serena >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Oct 29 17:05:30 2009 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:05:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs References: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com><85ff10070910281758r55326989x4afbdac29970415e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <003901ca58ba$051c9100$0401a8c0@Serene> Desman, How accessible was the word processing program that was used for the test with Jaws? My (sighted) brother took the test yesterday and said he isn't too sure how accessible the word processing program would be. Apparently, it's not MS Word. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > Like Arielle, I was able to take the test totally in Braille and dictated > the answers to a scribe. When it came to the essays, I type them on the > computer. If anything, I would suggest if you know Braille to get at > least the math section in that format. > > Sincerely, > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > > >> Hi Serena, >> >> I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the >> accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be >> fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille >> paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille >> and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay >> on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. >> They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think >> they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the >> computer test. >> >> One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty >> level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your >> peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely >> to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille >> test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. >> >> When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a >> signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I >> was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is >> the eye exam a new requirement? >> >> Arielle >> >> On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >>> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >>> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >>> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >>> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >>> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >>> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >>> >>> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >>> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >>> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >>> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> Original message: >>>> Hey guys, >>> >>>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >>>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Serena >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From withat at msn.com Thu Oct 29 17:24:00 2009 From: withat at msn.com (Johnston) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:24:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] law school course outlining Message-ID: Hello all, I am new to this list, so please pardon if this is a repeat of a recent thread. What course outlining methods have blind law students used? This is my first year in law school, so everything is new to me. I question whether the typical method of using Roman numerals, Arabic numbers, letters, etc. with indentations would be ideal for me. It seems like it would be hard to see the big picture and to navigate the concepts in a document like this. I'm open to any/all suggestions/ideas. Thanks much. Jay in Oregon From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 18:31:11 2009 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:31:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs In-Reply-To: <003901ca58ba$051c9100$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: I don't know about Dezman, but when I sat for the GRE in the spring of 2007 I was allowed to use my own laptop with MS Word. The Procter sat next to me to ensure I was not going online or using spell-check, and at the end of the writing portion I cut the file to her thumb drive. Otherwise I used a Braille exam and had a reader/scribe. I never had to complete a visual evaluation. My blindness certification from my rehab agency and confirmation from my university's ODS office was enough. The process was a heck of a lot smoother than was the process to obtain accommodations for the LSAT. Joe Orozco "A man who wants to lead the orchestra must turn his back on the crowd."--Max Lucado -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Serena Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs Desman, How accessible was the word processing program that was used for the test with Jaws? My (sighted) brother took the test yesterday and said he isn't too sure how accessible the word processing program would be. Apparently, it's not MS Word. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dezman Jackson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > Like Arielle, I was able to take the test totally in Braille and dictated > the answers to a scribe. When it came to the essays, I type them on the > computer. If anything, I would suggest if you know Braille to get at > least the math section in that format. > > Sincerely, > Dezman > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > > >> Hi Serena, >> >> I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the >> accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be >> fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille >> paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille >> and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay >> on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. >> They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think >> they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the >> computer test. >> >> One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty >> level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your >> peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely >> to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille >> test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. >> >> When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a >> signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I >> was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is >> the eye exam a new requirement? >> >> Arielle >> >> On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >>> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >>> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >>> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >>> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >>> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >>> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >>> >>> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >>> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >>> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >>> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> Original message: >>>> Hey guys, >>> >>>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >>>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Serena >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin djedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.pre sident%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson. dezman%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacu cco%40verizon.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4555 (20091029) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4555 (20091029) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Thu Oct 29 20:26:33 2009 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:26:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs References: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com><85ff10070910281758r55326989x4afbdac29970415e@mail.gmail.com> <003901ca58ba$051c9100$0401a8c0@Serene> Message-ID: Serena, At the time I took the test, they did not have the computer accessible version. I took it at the Louisiana Center for the Blind and just requested to use a computer with a wordprocessor for that portion. I do believe I use Microsoft Word. However, they may be more strict on those types of things now. Sincerely, Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > Desman, > > How accessible was the word processing program that was used for the test > with Jaws? My (sighted) brother took the test yesterday and said he isn't > too sure how accessible the word processing program would be. Apparently, > it's not MS Word. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dezman Jackson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > > >> Like Arielle, I was able to take the test totally in Braille and dictated >> the answers to a scribe. When it came to the essays, I type them on the >> computer. If anything, I would suggest if you know Braille to get at >> least the math section in that format. >> >> Sincerely, >> Dezman >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:58 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs >> >> >>> Hi Serena, >>> >>> I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the >>> accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be >>> fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille >>> paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille >>> and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay >>> on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. >>> They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think >>> they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the >>> computer test. >>> >>> One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty >>> level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your >>> peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely >>> to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille >>> test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. >>> >>> When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a >>> signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I >>> was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is >>> the eye exam a new requirement? >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >>>> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >>>> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >>>> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >>>> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >>>> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >>>> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >>>> >>>> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >>>> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >>>> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >>>> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>>>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? >>>>> Were >>>>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>>>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>>>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>>>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Serena >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From bjsexton at comcast.net Thu Oct 29 22:36:55 2009 From: bjsexton at comcast.net (Bruce Sexton Jr.) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:36:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] law school course outlining References: Message-ID: hello, write me at: bjsexton at comcast.net and I would love to strategize with you about study methods. I have used several within the past year that have been extremely helpful. Thanks, Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnston" To: Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:24 AM Subject: [nabs-l] law school course outlining > Hello all, > I am new to this list, so please pardon if this is a repeat of a recent > thread. What course outlining methods have blind law students used? This > is my first year in law school, so everything is new to me. I question > whether the typical method of using Roman numerals, Arabic numbers, > letters, etc. with indentations would be ideal for me. It seems like it > would be hard to see the big picture and to navigate the concepts in a > document like this. > > I'm open to any/all suggestions/ideas. > > Thanks much. > > Jay in Oregon > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjsexton%40comcast.net From graduate56 at juno.com Fri Oct 30 04:38:36 2009 From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green) Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:38:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs References: <20091028233903.4677.25296@web2.serotek.com> <85ff10070910281758r55326989x4afbdac29970415e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ED96DE16EB24AD29B6650E135ED82B2@melissa> I didn't have to have an eye exam either. I just took the GRE in September. I took the self-voicing GRE. Which is the Computer based test. They will send you the Practice tests in both Braille and as a self-voiced CD for the computer. Nora Hollenbeck handles the GrE registration and Acomodations for students with a disability. Melissa Green Without Christ I am nothing, Without me Christ is still God. It's because of Christ I am able to stand!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs > Hi Serena, > > I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the > accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be > fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille > paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille > and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay > on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. > They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think > they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the > computer test. > > One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty > level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your > peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely > to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille > test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. > > When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a > signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I > was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is > the eye exam a new requirement? > > Arielle > > On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >> >> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> Original message: >>> Hey guys, >> >>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >> >>> Thanks, >>> Serena >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com > ____________________________________________________________ Earn an IT Degree Online Earn your AS, BS, or Masters degree in IT from the top schools online. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=6XOB2HGMHW53PNJuGDuVrQAAJ1BvHzEFemsEEZ0HiReBRkMJAAQAAAAFAAAAABKDQD4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWGOAAAAAA= From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Fri Oct 30 06:51:10 2009 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:51:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs Message-ID: <20091030065110.21661.21057@web3.serotek.com> Well, if all of you didn't have to do the eye assessment, why do I have to? I also asked for non-visual accommodations. Did I just fill out the form incorrectly? Maybe I ought to give ETS a call and figure out what the deal is. I'll still go through the eye assessment anyway because I believe they still require updated blindness information. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I didn't have to have an eye exam either. I just took the GRE in September. > I took the self-voicing GRE. Which is the Computer based test. They will > send you the Practice tests in both Braille and as a self-voiced CD for the > computer. > Nora Hollenbeck handles the GrE registration and Acomodations for students > with a disability. > Melissa Green > Without Christ I am nothing, Without me Christ is still God. It's because > of Christ I am able to stand!!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations for the GREs >> Hi Serena, >> I took the GRE's in the spring of 2007. I understand that some of the >> accommodations for the computer test have changed, and it may now be >> fully accessible. However, if you like to use Braille, the Braille >> paper test is still an option. I got all the test questions in Braille >> and dictated my answers to a scribe. For the essays, I wrote my essay >> on a Perkins Brailler and then read it word-for-word to the scribe. >> They also provide tactile diagrams for the math section and I think >> they still do that even if you take the accessible version of the >> computer test. >> One thing about the computer test is that it adjusts the difficulty >> level of the questions based on how you are responding. Most of your >> peers will be taking the computer test, so your score is more likely >> to be competitive with theirs. However, if you like to have Braille >> test questions in front of you, by all means go with the paper test. >> When I took the GRE I didn't need an eye exam. I only needed a >> signature from a DSS staff member at my university certifying that I >> was blind and did in fact need the accommodations I was requesting. Is >> the eye exam a new requirement? >> Arielle >> On 10/29/09, Jedi wrote: >>> Hi. >>> I've been in contact with Ms. Kelly at LCB. If you want to know more >>> about GRE accommodations, I suggest you get ahold of her. She suggested >>> to me that I have a reader with Braille diagrams and such. As for >>> essays, she suggested that I type the essays. Presumably, the GRE >>> testing site would provide the computer. I don't know how screen reader >>> access would go, but you may be able to use http://www.satogo.com. You >>> can contact the LCB at 1-800-234-4166. They are on Central time. >>> You should also be aware that the accommodations application will >>> require an EXTENSIVE eye exam even if you require non-visual >>> accommodations. They'll want you to go through a functional impact >>> assessment among other things. Why, I have no clue. >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> Original message: >>>> Hey guys, >>>> Have any Braille users taken the GREs recently? Did you get the Math >>>> and/or verbal sections in Braille? How did you write the essays? Were >>>> you able to use your Braillenote/other note taker or did ETS make you >>>> dictate them I looked on the GRE site about people with disabilities >>>> and they claim you're only allowed to use a slate and stylus or >>>> Braillewriter only to take notes. I think this is absolutely insane!? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Serena >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/graduate56%40juno.com > ____________________________________________________________ > Earn an IT Degree Online > Earn your AS, BS, or Masters degree in IT from the top schools online. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=6XOB2HGMHW53PNJuGDuVrQAAJ1BvHzEFemsEEZ0HiReBRkMJAAQAAAAFAAAAABKDQD4AAANSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWGOAAAAAA= > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Fri Oct 30 18:18:44 2009 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:18:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 36, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DC956E98DC744C8BDB2DC8E28581353@VALUED04C3B21F> I also had to have a letter from a medical professional. That was in spring of 2008. Also, judging only on the demo version of the self voicing GRE that I tested at a national convention, the word processing leaves much to be desired. If you can get them to let you use Word, I would highly recommend it. As has been mentioned, Braille for the math section is highly beneficial, if for no other reason than to be able to directly observe the figures and graphs. Sean From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 01:35:52 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:35:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition Message-ID: <8D9D5FDEDD53407C8A905E61AC4D87D7@sarahcomp> Hello I recently got invited to audition at the berklee school of music and while I'm excited I need to know if there's anything I should watch out fore. Should I tell them I'm blind or should I just walk in and give it all I've got. Also I don't have an accompanist yet for my piece. A bit of advice would be good. I have to do this in about 3 or 4 months. Take care. If you want to here a fun classical music show and some other adventures that might happen, like the surprise track of the week, check out tcjwb on hkc radio at www.hkcradio.com every Monday from 9-11 pm eastern From trillian551 at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 01:49:05 2009 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:49:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition In-Reply-To: <8D9D5FDEDD53407C8A905E61AC4D87D7@sarahcomp> References: <8D9D5FDEDD53407C8A905E61AC4D87D7@sarahcomp> Message-ID: Hey Sarah, You need to find an accompanist for your piece asap. do you know anyone in your school whose a piano major? Or who knows how to play the piano from just your score? There is absolutely no need to tell them you are blind, unless they made it clear there will be some sight singing involved. If they did, then they will need to provide that in braille for you. That is the only reason why you would mention your blindness. Otherwise, just get an accompanish, work on your stage presence, facial expressions and just your music, which obviously you know how to do. And the very best of luck! Please let us know what happens! that is a great honor to even be invited to audition. Yours, Mary On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello I recently got invited to audition at the berklee school of music and > while I'm excited I need to know if there's anything I should watch out > fore. Should I tell them I'm blind or should I just walk in and give it > all I've got. Also I don't have an accompanist yet for my piece. A bit of > advice would be good. I have to do this in about 3 or 4 months. > > Take care. > > If you want to here a fun classical music show and some other adventures > that might happen, like the surprise track of the week, check out tcjwb on > hkc radio at www.hkcradio.com every Monday from 9-11 pm eastern > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 01:58:48 2009 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:58:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition In-Reply-To: <8D9D5FDEDD53407C8A905E61AC4D87D7@sarahcomp> References: <8D9D5FDEDD53407C8A905E61AC4D87D7@sarahcomp> Message-ID: <54d8179e0910301858l3c752dd2ic5e020c20be26b39@mail.gmail.com> Hello, I'm not sure how Berkeley works cuz I've never auditioned there. I'm not sure what to advise. I would say possibly first important step is to ask if they provide an accompanist. I say this because ya don't want to show up thinking there will be one and their like who will be accompaning for you. Do you read music Braille? Do you know music Theory? From what I've noticed some schools make you take a Theory test, but again, I don't know for Berkeley. I guess overall I would say to contact them and just get a sense of what their entrance Music exam is like. I advise this cuz Berkeley is one of the best music schools in the nation and recognized throughout the World. Also, when contacting them I think it would be a good idea to say to them you are visually impaired/blind so the accomadations if any can be made. Hope all of this helps and I wish you great success, Justin Young On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello I recently got invited to audition at the berklee school of music and > while I'm excited I need to know if there's anything I should watch out > fore. Should I tell them I'm blind or should I just walk in and give it > all I've got. Also I don't have an accompanist yet for my piece. A bit of > advice would be good. I have to do this in about 3 or 4 months. > > Take care. > > If you want to here a fun classical music show and some other adventures > that might happen, like the surprise track of the week, check out tcjwb on > hkc radio at www.hkcradio.com every Monday from 9-11 pm eastern > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From newmanrl at cox.net Sat Oct 31 06:10:10 2009 From: newmanrl at cox.net (Robert Newman) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:10:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where The Blind work Acting/Performing Arts Message-ID: The NFB Where The Blind Work Needs acting (performing arts) Job Descriptions We need job descriptions from any of you who are blind and are acting on stage, in film or in ads. We need you to provide us with a description of what acting is like, how you entered this profession and how you do it. Your description will be added to the NFB's "Where The Blind work," a new and ever growing resource of career descriptions and how the blind compete within them. This is a great resource to assist youth to plan for future employment and for the adult who is looking to change jobs and/or careers. Your description must follow the below five question format: When completed please email them to me at newmanrl at cox.net (A * indicates a required field): 1. * Name, * Industry in which you work, * Job title, Address 1, Address 2, City, State, Zip Code, Phone number, E-mail, * 2. Please explain to us what any worker would do on this job (specialized blindness alternatives will appear below). * 3. Please tell us the cause of your blindness. Then, let us know about the alternative methods and/or techniques you use to perform your job. * 4. Please let us know of any required special training, education, certificates, experience, etc. needed for this job. * 5. Please tell us about anyone or anything that aided you to be successful. (A joint project between the Jernigan Institute and the NFB Writers' Division; for all people) Visit the "Where The Blind Work" at- http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Blind_Work.asp?SnID=28992349 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Where The Blind work acting notice form.rtf Type: application/rtf Size: 14060 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 13:05:56 2009 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:05:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To The Radio360 Halloween Party Message-ID: Hi There! If you're receiving this message, it's because you've been invited to my friend Will's Radio360 Halloween Party. The fun begins at 12 noon eastern time and will go til 3, and the program will be hosted by Will and guest host, yep you guessed it, Djd! Join us as we present some comedy, some of my halloween jokes along the way, a wide range of songs for both young and old alike, and.... Your requests by email, msn or aol instant messenger at the address live at radio360.us or, when we're on the mic, you can give us a call on skype at the address radio360usa or by phone at the number 516-717-4425 So, whether you're getting ready for a special costume party; or whether you just want a little fun to brighten up your afternoon, come and let Will and I trick or treat you to three hours of his wacky weirdness and my crazy mind. To attend the party, any time between 12 PM and 3 PM eastern, go to http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml to join the party! Happy halloween, and hope to see you there today! Best regards, David Dunphy, Radio360 Station Manager and Will, host of The WDJm3 show, heard every Saturday afternoon from 12 to 3 PM http://www.radio360.us __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4560 (20091031) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From kim at senderogroup.com Sat Oct 31 16:34:05 2009 From: kim at senderogroup.com (Kim Casey) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:34:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sendero GPS Version 6.2 Released! Message-ID: Announcing Sendero GPS 6.2 for the BrailleNote family of Products October, 29, 2009 Davis, CA. Version 6.2 is the second free upgrade for version 6.0 users. There are 6 improvements over version 6.1, 13 total since version 6.0 was released in July. Sendero is always looking for the most efficient way to get you on your way. With Sendero version 6.2, we have introduced time saving features. Expect route calculation, loading and saving to be up to five times faster when in Turns Only mode. Use the new hot key, saving you two keystrokes, to hear POI media content, a feature released in version 6.1. In addition to saving you time, we also have introduced more accurate Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA) calculations. To see all 38 changes from v5 to v6.2, visit http://www.SenderoGroup.com/v60changes.htm For those of you who already have v6.0 or v6.1 Sendero GPS on an mPower or PK, your free upgrade is eagerly awaiting you at MySendero.com. To get started using version 6.2 view the V6 online manuals, http://www.senderogroup.com/supportgps.htm For those of you who are still on the fence or would like to try 6.2 before you buy you can fill out the following form and download a Trial Version, http://www.senderogroup.com/testdrive.htm, for either your BrailleNote mPower or PK. You will have access to all countries we currently support for the 15 days, after which you can purchase a full version, opt for the Pay-As-You-Go payment plan, or uninstall the 15 day trial version and re-install your old version of Sendero GPS. Call Sendero toll free, 1-888-757-6810 Contact Sendero Group: http://www.senderogroup.com Toll free phone (US and Canada): 1-888-757-6810 Direct phone: +1 530 757-6800 From dandrews at visi.com Sat Oct 31 16:36:52 2009 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:36:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Social Security Told to Modernize for the Blind Message-ID: Subject: Social Security told to modernize for the blind Social Security told to modernize for the blind Bob Egelko, Chronicle Staff Writer Tuesday, October 20, 2009 (10-20) 17:17 PDT SAN FRANCISCO -- The Social Security Administration must give the nation's 3 million blind or visually impaired recipients the option of receiving benefit notices in braille or by audio computer disc, a federal judge in San Francisco said Tuesday. Ruling in a nationwide class-action suit, U.S. District Judge William Alsup said that by sending notices only by mail and phone calls, the agency is violating a law that guarantees the disabled equal access to its programs. He ordered the government to make the additional choices available by April 15. The case involves some of the 100 million notices the Social Security Administration sends each year to its 61 million beneficiaries, advising them of scheduled appointments, program changes, tax filings and possible benefit cuts. About 250,000 Americans receive benefits because of blindness, and another 2.7 million blind or sight-impaired people get Social Security for other reasons. Under rules authorized by Congress in 1988 and 1990, they can choose to be notified of agency actions by mail, with a follow-up phone call, or by certified mail with a return receipt. Those who make no choice are contacted by mail without a phone call. Alsup said the current system may have been effective 20 years ago, but no longer provides the "meaningful access" the law requires, in light of advanced technology. Little evidence was presented that blind people had lost benefits because of inadequate notice, Alsup said, but the current system is ineffective for at least some recipients. For example, he said, a blind person who needs to respond to a written notice must wait until someone is available to read it aloud, and may have problems meeting government deadlines. Alsup said the Social Security Administration refused to acknowledge that it was even covered by the anti-discrimination law until after the suit was filed in 2005, and "has been quick to find lame excuses for noncompliance." The agency must inform all blind and visually impaired recipients by Dec. 31 that they will have the choice of getting notices in braille or by Microsoft Word CD in mid-April, Alsup said. He said those who want another option, such as notification by e-mail, must be allowed to request it and show why they need it. "This is a huge benefit," said attorney Silvia Yee of the Disability Rights Education and Defense Fund in Berkeley, a lawyer for the plaintiffs. She said the ruling will allow many recipients "to have an independence in working with the (Social Security Administration) that they've never had before." Many sight-impaired recipients, particularly the young and those who become blind later in life, can't read braille, Yee said, "but for people who do read braille, it's their first choice." She said the CD option would particularly help younger recipients. Lowell Kepke, spokesman for the Social Security Administration's regional office in Richmond, said the agency "will review the order and take whatever actions are appropriate." From brownbears at mchsi.com Sat Oct 31 19:39:42 2009 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:39:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Used Technology Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know where you can buy used CCTV's? or any kind of assistive technology? Miranda From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 19:42:48 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:42:48 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Announcements Needed Message-ID: <85ff10070910311242u5dce7f44o29ecd049d1294abc@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, It's that time again--please send me any updates about what your state division has recently done, or is planning to do in the next month, so I can announce it in the November bulletin. Thanks! -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sat Oct 31 20:07:09 2009 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:07:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Used Technology References: Message-ID: <931E0D72CD5847968539FB1C59B319C1@D3DTZP41> Hello: Sometimes, you see used technology on Ebay.com. I do suggest caution when buying used equipment on Ebay. Some sellers have picked up stuff and have no idea how to determine if it works. I have helped get a few used braillers on ebay and these have worked out, but I usually have to have them refurbished. I figure if I get a used brailler and have it refurbished for less than $350-$400, I am doing well. I bought a used Juliet Pro 60 embosser and had Enabling refurbish it. I was out about $1,000 when I got done, but this was 25% of the full retail price. I do suggest that if you buy used equipment, that you make sure that it is something that can be serviced. Hope this helps. Regards, Robert Jaquiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Miranda brown" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 2:39 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Used Technology > Hi, > > Does anyone know where you can buy used CCTV's? or any kind of assistive > technology? > > Miranda > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.net From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:11:07 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:11:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Membership Committee Update: Conference Call to come! Message-ID: <409c235c0910311311g6ae4c20dha2a1ea2b74f936c1@mail.gmail.com> Happy Holloween from the nabs membership committee! We know it may be scary, but the membership committee has been on the move; we've been planning and have decided the time is here for some good membership discussion! So, next Sunday (tenitivlly scheduled for 5p.m. est), we are planning to start the conference call discussion series. Our first topic is going to be covering community service. Please spread the word to anyone you know, as this should be a informitive topic if you want to get yourselves, your chapter/division more involved in the community. Come with questions and an open mind. We hope you all can make it and can bring your energy and excitement with you! Please stay tuned as more information becomes available and we'll see you on nov. 8th. Warm regards, The nabs membership committee. P.S. It's not too late to get involved; if you wish to be a part of the membership team, please contact either Darian (dsmithnfb at gmail.com) or Janis (janice.jeang at gmail.com). We want you to be apart of the idea generating and events creation process that makes the membership committee such an amazing time. -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:16:21 2009 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 07:16:21 +1100 Subject: [nabs-l] law school course outlining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85ff10070910311316w2606aea1n67e6c84df7a837d2@mail.gmail.com> Hi Jay and all, While I'm not a law student, I think outlining techniques are an important skill for all students to develop. The thing about notetaking as a blind person is that the notetaking strategies that work for you aren't always going to be what is most intuitive for sighted people. When I write presentation handouts for sighted readers, I try my best to do the outlining/indenting thing, but the indentations aren't too helpful when I'm writing notes for myself to read later. I think when you are the only person who will be reading your notes, what's important is to do things in a way that makes sense to you, even if it's not following the conventions typically adopted by sighted people. What format do you typically take notes in--hard-copy Braille, print, on a Braille notetaker or on a computer? I typically use my Braille Note, so I use paragraph breaks as a way to separate my notes into sections. Beyond that, though, I don't use any special bulleting or numbering in my notes, beyond giving each section a title (i.e. "Chapter 1, Chapter 2, etc." Also my habit is to read chapters or articles from beginning to end, skipping around only if there's something like a figure or something technical that doesn't seem essential. I write down anything that seems surprising or unfamiliar in my notes and also try to get down the main points expressed at the beginning or end of the article. To many reading things all the way through may sound time-consuming, but if you're reading with JAWS or you're a decent Braille reader it really doesn't take longer than it does for print readers, and you don't risk missing anything important. Again, everyone has their own method of recording important information and, for instance if you take your notes in Braille, you may find traditional outlining and indenting to be helpful. Arielle On 10/30/09, Bruce Sexton Jr. wrote: > hello, > > write me at: > bjsexton at comcast.net > and I would love to strategize with you about study methods. I have used > several within the past year that have been extremely helpful. > Thanks, > Bruce > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Johnston" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:24 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] law school course outlining > > >> Hello all, >> I am new to this list, so please pardon if this is a repeat of a recent >> thread. What course outlining methods have blind law students used? This >> >> is my first year in law school, so everything is new to me. I question >> whether the typical method of using Roman numerals, Arabic numbers, >> letters, etc. with indentations would be ideal for me. It seems like it >> would be hard to see the big picture and to navigate the concepts in a >> document like this. >> >> I'm open to any/all suggestions/ideas. >> >> Thanks much. >> >> Jay in Oregon >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjsexton%40comcast.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:18:58 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:18:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There will be some sight singing involved. I'll have to read the email again to see what there will be. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition Hey Sarah, You need to find an accompanist for your piece asap. do you know anyone in your school whose a piano major? Or who knows how to play the piano from just your score? There is absolutely no need to tell them you are blind, unless they made it clear there will be some sight singing involved. If they did, then they will need to provide that in braille for you. That is the only reason why you would mention your blindness. Otherwise, just get an accompanish, work on your stage presence, facial expressions and just your music, which obviously you know how to do. And the very best of luck! Please let us know what happens! that is a great honor to even be invited to audition. Yours, Mary On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello I recently got invited to audition at the berklee school of > music and while I'm excited I need to know if there's anything I > should watch out fore. Should I tell them I'm blind or should I just > walk in and give it all I've got. Also I don't have an accompanist > yet for my piece. A bit of advice would be good. I have to do this in about 3 or 4 months. > > Take care. > > If you want to here a fun classical music show and some other > adventures that might happen, like the surprise track of the week, > check out tcjwb on hkc radio at www.hkcradio.com every Monday from > 9-11 pm eastern > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40 > gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 20:22:07 2009 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah alawami) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:22:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition In-Reply-To: <54d8179e0910301858l3c752dd2ic5e020c20be26b39@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <734D81D3C3374288B041805FEC751D9D@sarahcomp> Yeah I know my theory well. My sight reading sucks big time wic might be my down fall. I can sign sing though if the ting just has notes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question about an upcoming audition Hello, I'm not sure how Berkeley works cuz I've never auditioned there. I'm not sure what to advise. I would say possibly first important step is to ask if they provide an accompanist. I say this because ya don't want to show up thinking there will be one and their like who will be accompaning for you. Do you read music Braille? Do you know music Theory? From what I've noticed some schools make you take a Theory test, but again, I don't know for Berkeley. I guess overall I would say to contact them and just get a sense of what their entrance Music exam is like. I advise this cuz Berkeley is one of the best music schools in the nation and recognized throughout the World. Also, when contacting them I think it would be a good idea to say to them you are visually impaired/blind so the accomadations if any can be made. Hope all of this helps and I wish you great success, Justin Young On 10/30/09, Sarah alawami wrote: > Hello I recently got invited to audition at the berklee school of > music and while I'm excited I need to know if there's anything I > should watch out fore. Should I tell them I'm blind or should I just > walk in and give it all I've got. Also I don't have an accompanist > yet for my piece. A bit of advice would be good. I have to do this in about 3 or 4 months. > > Take care. > > If you want to here a fun classical music show and some other > adventures that might happen, like the surprise track of the week, > check out tcjwb on hkc radio at www.hkcradio.com every Monday from > 9-11 pm eastern > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail > .com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Oct 31 21:04:54 2009 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:04:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of The Blind of California, San Francisco Chapter presents... Message-ID: <409c235c0910311404t49918f6eme644cab86e3868bd@mail.gmail.com> If you like Wine and cheese, Italianfood, prizes, people, learning about blindness andSanfrancisco, then you'll love this event! (atatched is a flyer that you can pass around to your friends, family, and just anybody who you think might enjoy this! Thanks, Darian Smith NFBCSF event committee NFBCFLYERWINETASTING.pdf A.G. FERRARI PRESENTS THE NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF CALIFORNIA, SAN FRANCISCO CHAPTER Come join the San Francisco Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind for an afternoon of good food, good friends, and good wine! The National Federation of the Blind: San Francisco Chapter (NFBC SF) will be holding it’s annual Holiday party/fund raiser at A.G. Ferrari San Francisco – SOMA. 686 Mission St. (between New Montgomery St. near 3rd St.), San Francisco, CA 94105, on Saturday afternoon, December 5, 2009, from 2 P.M., until about 4 P.M. At this event we plan to have a raffle, of a number of items, (including a $100.00, gift basket donated from A.G. Ferrari), wine tasting, and an opportunity to talk about blindness and all things blindnessrelated with the entire NFBCSF chapter board and membership. Raffle tickets will be sold at the door, and inside the store at $1.00, per ticket, and $5.00, for six tickets. Just a ten dollar donation, by RSVP, or at the door assures you two raffle tickets, and an opportunity to sample as many great parings of tastings of A.G.F. Rosso, Bianco and Prosecco. , and cheese as your heart desires. The tastings of Rosso, Bianco and Prosecco, and cheese parings will be provided as compliments of A.G. Ferrari.. Please RSVP, by calling Jim Blacksten, at 415-543-3727, and arrange to make your $10.00 donation in advance. Donations of $10.00, will be accepted at the door as well, if you cannot RSVP. Ten percent of all purchases made in-store, from 2 P.M., to 4 P.M., will be donated to the NFB of San Francisco, so it can continue it’s role of serving as a Vehicle for positive change and collective action for blind adults, seniors, youth and parents of blind children in and around San Francisco. Following the parings of wine tastings and cheeses, as well as the raffle, along with ordering any food of your choice on the menu, an education/fun event, as well as an auction, which includes a Fire Department Donation of Toys for blind children will take place next door at the Paramount Building, 680 Mission St. on the A#2 level, from 4 P.M., to about 7 P.M. (your $10.00, donation to enter the parings of wines and cheeses, will assure you entrance to the educational/fun event at the Paramount Building). See you on Saturday, the fifth of December!!! -- "And if you will join me in this improbable quest, if you feel destiny calling, and see as I see, a future of endless possibility stretching before us; if you sense, as I sense, that the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fear, and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations, then I'm ready to take up the cause, and march with you, and work with you. Together, starting today, let us finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this Earth."- Baraq Obama -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NFBCFLYERWINETASTING.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 187227 bytes Desc: not available URL: