From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 02:51:33 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:51:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads Message-ID: <9D321B484CD7485BA7E5F13609B5286B@Rufus> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing _____ From: CNET News.com1 [mailto:rss at news.cnet.com] Posted At: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:02 PM Posted To: CNET Personal Tech Conversation: Subject: Pa. university to give all students iPads Pa. university to give all students iPads Even though Apple's iPad has yet to hit store shelves, the small Seton Hill University plans to give all full-time students an iPad starting in the fall. Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10471690-17.html?part=rss &subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 * * home * reviews * news * downloads * cnet tv * On The Insider: Kiefer Sutherland - The End of '24' * * log in * join CNET * welcome, * my profile * log out CNET.com * Latest News * CNET River Beta * Webware * Crave * Business Tech * Green Tech * Wireless * Security * Photos * More * Media * Cutting Edge * Apple * Politics & Law * Gaming and Culture * Microsoft * Health Tech * Blogs * Video * RSS * Markets * Home * News * The Digital Home The Digital Home March 30, 2010 11:02 AM PDT Pa. university to give all students iPads by Don Reisinger * Font size * Print * E-mail * Share * 1 comment * Share Apple iPad The iPad: coming to a university near you. (Credit: Apple) It hasn't even launched yet and already Apple's iPad is catching the eye of colleges. Pennsylvania-based Seton Hill University, which has an enrollment of about 2,100, announced on Tuesday that starting fall semester, all full-time students will receive an iPad tablet device in an effort to boost learning ability and technical know-how. "The iPad initiative kicks off the university's Griffin Technology Advantage Program," the school wrote on its iPad page. "This new program provides students with the best in technology and collaborative learning tools, ensuring that Seton Hill students will be uniquely suited to whatever careers they choose--even those that have not yet been created." Seton Hill's Griffin Technology Advantage Program, which starts in the fall, ensures that each student will receive the iPad, as well as a 13-inch MacBook. Students can use the devices in class and for personal use. The university even plans to replace the laptop with a new one every two years. The products are owned by the students, which means they can take them after graduation. Seton Hill believes that, with the help of both a laptop and the iPad, it can create a "just-in-time learning environment" that enhances student learning and hopefully helps them learn "technological skills [they will] need in the 21st century workforce." The university didn't say how it plans to use the iPad, but it's worth noting that it made the decision prior to its launch. (Via TUAW) Correction: Some references to Seton Hill University in this post were initially misstated as Seton Hall University. Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure . 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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:09:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads In-Reply-To: References: <9D321B484CD7485BA7E5F13609B5286B@Rufus> Message-ID: Hi, I read the news on this. Has anyone used the touchscreen accessibility features of the iPod phone or such? How easy is it to use? I am a little concerned about how accessible this iPad would be to blind students, though after reading about the accessiblity features (VoiceOver and a touchscreen that works with the screenreader to tell you what's under your finger and control it with drags and flicks and clicks, I'm not quite as worried. I'm just wondering how easy or hard it is to do those clicks, drags, and flicks? Anyone have experience with the iPhone or similar device with the touchscreen access features? Any problems with it? ~Jewel On 3/31/10, Jamie Principato wrote: > I'm green with envy. 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"This new program provides >> students with the best in technology and collaborative learning tools, >> ensuring that Seton Hill students will be uniquely suited to whatever >> careers they choose--even those that have not yet been created." >> >> Seton Hill's Griffin Technology Advantage Program, which starts in the >> fall, >> ensures that each student will receive the iPad, as well as a 13-inch >> MacBook. Students can use the devices in class and for personal use. The >> university even plans to replace the laptop with a new one every two >> years. >> The products are owned by the students, which means they can take them >> after >> graduation. >> >> Seton Hill believes that, with the help of both a laptop and the iPad, it >> can create a "just-in-time learning environment" that enhances student >> learning and hopefully helps them learn "technological skills [they will] >> need in the 21st century workforce." >> >> The university didn't say how it plans to use the iPad, but it's worth >> noting that it made the decision prior to its launch. >> >> (Via >> < >> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/30/and-so-it-begins-seton-hill-university-to-gi >> ve-all-students-a/> TUAW) >> >> Correction: Some references to Seton Hill University in this post were >> initially misstated as Seton Hall University. >> >> >> >> Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything >> from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. 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He loves it. He can use it to send and receive email but mostly uses it to listen to podcasts. I'd say he's had more trouble with iTunes than he has had with the Touch. He thinks voiceover is great. Sally Thomas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads > Hi, > > I read the news on this. Has anyone used the touchscreen accessibility > features of the iPod phone or such? How easy is it to use? I am a > little concerned about how accessible this iPad would be to blind > students, though after reading about the accessiblity features > (VoiceOver and a touchscreen that works with the screenreader to tell > you what's under your finger and control it with drags and flicks and > clicks, I'm not quite as worried. I'm just wondering how easy or hard > it is to do those clicks, drags, and flicks? > > Anyone have experience with the iPhone or similar device with the > touchscreen access features? Any problems with it? > > ~Jewel > > On 3/31/10, Jamie Principato wrote: >> I'm green with envy. Our university wastes more than the cost of this >> endeavor on the most ridiculous nonsense... >> >> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Joe Orozco wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>> sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: CNET News.com1 [mailto:rss at news.cnet.com] >>> Posted At: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 2:02 PM >>> Posted To: CNET Personal Tech >>> Conversation: >>> Subject: Pa. university to give all students iPads >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Pa. university to give all students iPads >>> >>> Even though Apple's iPad has yet to hit store shelves, the small Seton >>> Hill >>> University plans to give all full-time students an iPad starting in the >>> fall. >>> >>> Source: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10471690-17.html?part=rss >>> < >>> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10471690-17.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2 >>> 547-1_3-0-20> &subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 >>> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * home >>> * reviews >>> * news >>> * downloads >>> * cnet tv >>> >>> * >>> >>> On The Insider: Kiefer Sutherland - The End of '24' >>> < >>> http://www.theinsider.com/news/3254032_Kiefer_Sutherland_Announces_the_End_ >>> of_24> >>> * >>> >>> >>> * log in >>> * join CNET >>> >>> * welcome, >>> * my profile >>> * log out >>> >>> CNET.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * Latest News >>> * CNET River Beta >>> >>> * Webware >>> * Crave >>> * Business Tech >>> * Green Tech >>> * Wireless >>> * Security >>> * Photos >>> * More >>> >>> >>> * Media >>> >>> * Cutting Edge >>> >>> * Apple >>> >>> * Politics & Law >>> >>> * Gaming and Culture >>> >>> * Microsoft >>> >>> * Health Tech >>> >>> * Blogs >>> >>> * Video >>> >>> * RSS >>> >>> * Markets >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> * Home >>> >>> * News >>> >>> * The Digital Home >>> >>> The Digital Home >>> March 30, 2010 11:02 AM PDT >>> >>> Pa. university to give all students iPads >>> >>> by Don Reisinger >>> >>> * Font size >>> * Print >>> * E-mail >>> * Share >>> * 1 >>> comment >>> * >>> >>> Share >>> Apple iPad >>> >>> >>> The iPad: coming to a university near you. >>> >>> (Credit: Apple) >>> >>> It hasn't even launched yet and already Apple's iPad is catching the eye >>> of >>> colleges. >>> >>> Pennsylvania-based Seton Hill University, which has an enrollment of >>> about >>> 2,100, announced on Tuesday that >>> starting >>> fall semester, all full-time students will receive an iPad tablet device >>> in >>> an effort to boost learning ability and technical know-how. >>> >>> "The iPad initiative kicks off the university's Griffin Technology >>> Advantage >>> Program," the school wrote on its iPad page. "This new program provides >>> students with the best in technology and collaborative learning tools, >>> ensuring that Seton Hill students will be uniquely suited to whatever >>> careers they choose--even those that have not yet been created." >>> >>> Seton Hill's Griffin Technology Advantage Program, which starts in the >>> fall, >>> ensures that each student will receive the iPad, as well as a 13-inch >>> MacBook. Students can use the devices in class and for personal use. The >>> university even plans to replace the laptop with a new one every two >>> years. >>> The products are owned by the students, which means they can take them >>> after >>> graduation. >>> >>> Seton Hill believes that, with the help of both a laptop and the iPad, >>> it >>> can create a "just-in-time learning environment" that enhances student >>> learning and hopefully helps them learn "technological skills [they >>> will] >>> need in the 21st century workforce." >>> >>> The university didn't say how it plans to use the iPad, but it's worth >>> noting that it made the decision prior to its launch. >>> >>> (Via >>> < >>> http://www.tuaw.com/2010/03/30/and-so-it-begins-seton-hill-university-to-gi >>> ve-all-students-a/> TUAW) >>> >>> Correction: Some references to Seton Hill University in this post were >>> initially misstated as Seton Hall University. >>> >>> >>> >>> Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything >>> from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. 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Seton Hill is in PA, Seton Hall is in >>> NJ.. >>> two different schools. >>> Like this Reply to this comment >>> < >>> http://news.cnet.com/8618-13506_3-10471690.html?communityId=2017&targetComm >>> unityId=2017&blogId=17&messageId=9218222> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> by Renegade Knight March >>> 30, >>> 2010 11:30 AM PDT >>> >>> Go to school on Apple, go to work on MicroSoft. Makes University sence >>> to >>> me. They could just let the students pick their own laptop....rather >>> than >>> charge for it in Tuition. >>> Like this Reply to this comment >>> < >>> http://news.cnet.com/8618-13506_3-10471690.html?communityId=2017&targetComm >>> unityId=2017&blogId=17&messageId=9218286> >>> >>> >>> >>> Add a comment >>> >>> >>> >>> Comment SUBMIT >>> Click here to add another comment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Popular discussions on CNET: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Say >>> good-bye >>> to Linux on the PS3 >>> >>> >>> >>> March 29, 2010 8:22 AM PDT >>> >>> (207 recent comments) >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. 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I know that some love the I Phone, but some have gone back to more traditional interfaces after a few months. We may speculate on their motives, but it seems pretty clear that Apple is committed to accessibility. Please understand, though, that I Pads could not have been given to students without voiceOver. Nevertheless, whether Apple is dealing with accessibility for business reasons or because they think it is the right thing to do doesn't really matter. What we don't really know yet, though, is how well a blind person can deal with spreadsheets and complicated word processing needs. If colleges use applications on the I Pad that are not accessible, then our gains are not as big as it might seem. For example, if a school uses Microsoft Word on a MAC, the blind person is better off with a Windows machine. It sounds as though Open Office is better on the MAC than it is in the Windows environment, though. The I Phone broke ground with access to touch screens, but now Mobile Speak and TALKKS are offering ways of accessing touch screens as well. The I Phone includes VoiceOver while Mobile Speak and TALKS cost a whole bunch extra, but sometimes phones on other platforms are cheaper. Still, credit has to be given to what Apple is doing, but as consumers we need to watch how this unfolds. On Thu, 1 Apr 2010 12:02:07 -0500, Sally Thomas wrote: >My son is 13 and has an iPod Touch. He loves it. He can use it to send and >receive email but mostly uses it to listen to podcasts. I'd say he's had >more trouble with iTunes than he has had with the Touch. He thinks >voiceover is great. >Sally Thomas >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jewel S." >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 10:09 AM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads >> Hi, >> >> I read the news on this. Has anyone used the touchscreen accessibility >> features of the iPod phone or such? How easy is it to use? I am a >> little concerned about how accessible this iPad would be to blind >> students, though after reading about the accessiblity features >> (VoiceOver and a touchscreen that works with the screenreader to tell >> you what's under your finger and control it with drags and flicks and >> clicks, I'm not quite as worried. I'm just wondering how easy or hard >> it is to do those clicks, drags, and flicks? >> >> Anyone have experience with the iPhone or similar device with the >> touchscreen access features? Any problems with it? >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 3/31/10, Jamie Principato wrote: >>> I'm green with envy. 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Congress has adjourned for the two-week spring recess, and will not return to Washington until April 12. We encourage you to schedule visits with your members in their district offices and attend town hall meetings to discuss and urge cosponsorship of our legislative priorities. Thanks to your efforts, we now have 230 cosponsors on H.R. 734, the House version of the "Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act" originally introduced by Congressman Towns. We need to continue building momentum on all of our bills. Currently: -- The Senate companion to the "Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act" (S. 841, originally introduced by Senator Kerry) has 28 cosponsors; -- The "Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind" (H.R. 4533, introduced by Congresswoman Schakowsky) has 27 cosponsors; and -- The "Blind Persons Return to Work Act" (H.R. 886, introduced by Congressman John Lewis) has 56 cosponsors, while its Senate companion (S. 2962, introduced by Senators Dodd and McCain) has five cosponsors. As you can see, we have a great deal of work yet to go on each of these bills. Because Congress has taken a particular interest in job creation, expansion, and increased employment, we have an unparalleled opportunity to ensure that the Blind Persons Return to Work Act becomes law during this congressional session. If we increase our House sponsorship to 100 and our Senate sponsorship to 25, we believe we can incorporate this legislation into a larger Jobs Bill. Please make an extra effort to persuade your members to cosponsor H.R. 886 and S. 2962. Many of the congressional representatives who were ranked as being likely to cosponsor this legislation at the 2010 Washington Seminar have yet to cosponsor these bills. In addition, we need to get as many cosponsors from representatives who serve on the Committee on House Ways and Means and the Senate Committee on Finance. Finally, several congressional representatives who’ve cosponsored changes to the Social Security Disability Insurance Earnings structure for the blind in previous congressional sessions have not yet cosponsored the bill this session. Listed below are congressional representatives who received rankings of 4 or 5, serve on the House Committee on Ways Means or the Senate Committee on Finance, have cosponsored previous forms of this legislation­and have not yet cosponsored H.R. 886 and S. 2962. I know that you will, as always, work hard over the upcoming two-week spring district period to increase commitments from your representatives on this important legislation. Thank you for your continuing efforts on behalf of our National Federation of the Blind. Yours, Ronza M. Othman, Esq. Government Programs Specialist NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND Phone: (410) 659-9314, extension 2374 E-mail: rothman at nfb.org RO/wmb Members Ranked at 4 or 5 Sen. Robert Bennett, UT Sen. Sam Brownback, KS Sen. Susan Collins, ME (previously cosponsored in the 110th Congress) Sen. Jim DeMint, SC Sen. Dick Durbin, IL Sen. Judd Gregg, NH Sen. Mike Johanns, NE Sen. John Kerry, MA (Senate Committee on Finance) Sen. George LaMieux, FL Sen. Mary Landrieu, LA Sen. Ben Nelson, NE Sen. Harry Reid, NV Rep. Gary Ackerman, NY Rep. Marion Berry, AR Rep. Brian Bilbray, CA Rep. John Boozman, AR (previously cosponsored in the 110th Congress) Rep. Charles Boustany, LA Rep. Bruce Braley, IA Rep. Michael Capuano, MA Rep. John Carter, TX Rep. Kathy Castor, FL Rep. Ben Chandler, KY (previously cosponsored in the 110th Congress) Rep. Yvette Clark, NY Rep. Joe Crowley, NY (House Committee on Ways and Means) Rep. John Culberson, TX Rep. Jeff Fortenberry, NE Rep. Barney Frank, MA Rep. Ralph Hall, TX Rep. Alcee Hastings, FL Rep. Dean Heller, NV Rep. Jim Himes, CT Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson, TX Rep. Jim Jordan, OH Rep. James Langevin, RI Rep. Steven LaTourette, OH Rep. John Linder, GA Rep. Elizabeth Markey, CO Rep. Jim Matheson, UT Rep. Kendrick Meek, FL (House Committee on Ways and Means) Rep. John Olver, MA Rep. Donald Payne, NJ Rep. Peter Roskam, IL Rep. Carol Shea-Porter, NH Rep. Adrian Smith, NE Rep. Zack Space, OH Rep. Patrick Tiberi, OH Rep. Lynn Westmoreland, GA Rep. Charlie Wilson, OH Rep. John Yarmuth, KY (House Committee on Ways and Means) Previous Cosponsors Sen. Jeff Bingaman, NM (Senate Committee on Finance) Sen. Susan Collins, ME (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Sen. James Inhofe, OK Sen. Bernard Sanders, VT Sen. David Vitter, LA Rep. Neil Abercrombie, HI Rep. Robert Andrews, NJ Rep. Tammy Baldwin, WI Rep. Shelley Berkley, NV Rep. John Boozman, AR (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Rep. Ben Chandler, KY (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Rep. Steve Cohen, TN Rep. Lincoln Davis, TN Rep. Keith Ellison, MN Rep. Mary Fallin, OK Rep. Bob Filner, CA Rep. Charles Gonzalez, TX Rep. Thomas Latham, IA Rep. Ed Pastor, AZ Rep. Todd Platts, PA Rep. Mike Ross, AR Rep. Bobby Scott, VA Rep. Betty Sutton, OH Rep. Peter Visclosky, IN Rep. Peter Welch, VT Senate Committee on Finance Members Majority – Democrats Sen. Max Baucus, MT (Chairman) Sen. Jeff Bingaman, NM (previously cosponsored in the 110th Congress) Sen. Maria Cantwell, WA Sen. Thomas Carper, DE Sen. Kent Conrad, ND Sen. John Kerry, MA (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Sen. Blanche Lincoln, AR Sen. Robert Menendez, NJ Sen. Bill Nelson, FL Sen. John Rockefeller, WV Sen. Charles Schumer, NY Sen. Debbie Stabenow, MI Sen. Ron Wyden, OR Minority – Republicans Sen. Jim Bunning, KY Sen. John Cornyn, TX Sen. John Ensign, NV Sen. Mike Enzi, WY Sen. Chuck Grassley, IA (Ranking Member) Sen. Orrin Hatch, UT Sen. John Kyl, AZ Sen. Pat Roberts, KS House Committee on Ways and Means Majority – Democrats Rep. Xavier Becerra, CA Rep. Shelley Berkley, NV Rep. Joe Crowley, NY (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Rep. Artur Davis, AL Rep. Lloyd Doggett, TX Rep. Bob Etheridge, NC Rep. Brian Higgins, NY Rep. Ron Kind, WI Rep. John Larson, CT Rep. Sander Levin, MI Rep. Kendrick Meek, FL (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Rep. Richard Neal, MA Rep. Earl Pomeroy, ND Rep. Charles Rangel, NY Rep. John Tanner, TN Rep. Mike Thompson, CA Rep. Chris Van Hollen, MD Rep. John Yarmuth, KY (received a ranking of 4 or 5) Minority - Republicans Rep. Charles Boustany, LA Rep. Kevin Brady, TX Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite, FL Rep. Dave Camp, MI (Ranking Member) Rep. Eric Cantor, VA Rep. Geoff Davis, KY Rep. Dean Heller, NV Rep. Wally Herger, CA Rep. Sam Johnson, TX Rep. John Linder, GA Rep. Devin Nunes, CA Rep. Dave Reichert, WA Rep. Peter Roskam, IL Rep. Patrick Tiberi, OH -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Legislative Alert 3-29-105.doc Type: application/msword Size: 55808 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 2 03:49:41 2010 From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 22:49:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] 2009 National Association of Blind Students Annual Meeting Recordings Now Available! Message-ID: <003701cad217$882aaf60$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening everyone!! Tonight I'm pleased to announce the availability of the recordings of the 2009 NABS Meeting held during the NFB Convention in Detroit Michigan last summer. The wait is finally over!If you wish to stream the meeting audio or download the .MP3 files for offline listening visit: http://www.nabslink.org The direct link to the access page is: http://www.nabslink.org/conventions/nabs_2009.shtml You can listen/download individual agenda items or a complete recording of the entire meeting in one large file by selecting the appropriate links on the page at the above URL. Be advised that the recording of the entire meeting is over 200 MB and will take a while to download. Best wishes from Mary and myself for a blessed Easter. Peter Donahue "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." Will You Come to the Bower Traditional Irish Folk Song From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 04:30:44 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 23:30:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions Message-ID: Hi all, I think you know the drill--all those student divisions who did something exciting in March, or who have something exciting planned for April, please send me your announcements for the bulletin! Thanks! -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Fri Apr 2 13:12:58 2010 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:12:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads In-Reply-To: References: <9D321B484CD7485BA7E5F13609B5286B@Rufus> Message-ID: HI, I have been using an iPhone since around September, and have had no problems with it. I find the gestures very intuitive. All in all, it's an amazing little device, in my opinion. It's much more than just a phone. If you have specific questions about it, feel free to ask either on or off list. Thanks, and take care, Liz email: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 2 13:25:18 2010 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 08:25:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Buy and Easy Braille and Get a Mac Minnie Computer for Free! Message-ID: >From now until April 15, 2010, Handy Tech North America is giving away a free Mac Mini with the purchase of a Handy Tech Easy Braille display with HID, (Human Interface Device) an Bluetooth support. You will be amazed by the stability and reliability of this very powerful package. Handy Tech and Apple continue to work closely to insure on-going support for all of our Braille displays. Enjoy the ability of simply connecting your Handy Tech display into literally millions of Apple computers with the Snow Leopard OSX10.6 operating system and instantly have access to grade two literary Braille. Never pay for a screen reader software maintenance agreement again as periodic updates of the Voiceover screen reader are downloaded with every OS update. However, if you wish to have the best of both worlds, you can either set-up a dual boot system or run your favorite Windows operating system in a virtual machine. In fact, for the cost of software only, Handy Tech North America will install and configure your dual boot or virtual machine and charge you nothing for time and labor. The Basic package comes with a Mac Mini with a 2.26 GHz Core duo Intel processor, 160 GB hard drive, 2GB of memory running the latest OSX10.6 Snow Leopard Operating System. You may confirm pricing and specifications at: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mini?mco=MTM3NjY1O TU The cost of the Easy Braille 40 cell Braille display is $4990.00 with free shipping. Retail cost of the Mac Mini with the above specifications is $599.00; however, if you would like to upgrade to a laptop or another desktop option, we will apply the $599 toward the purchase of the machine of your choice. For more information on this bundle package, please speak with either Earle or Dave at: 651-636-5184 option 1 You may also inquire by e-mail at: info at handytech.us Handy Tech North America is proud to be a Value Add Reseller of Apple products Best regards, Dave Wright Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 Mobile: 347-422-7085 Fax: 866-347-8249 E-mail: dave at handytech.us Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna Web site: http://www.handytech.us From l.sterling0 at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 14:56:29 2010 From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (lsterling0) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:56:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads In-Reply-To: References: <9D321B484CD7485BA7E5F13609B5286B@Rufus> Message-ID: <006c01cad274$ad9a4b90$08cee2b0$@com> Hi Liz, have you tried the reader and bar code scanner on your Iphone? Lou Owner of vipspouses a list for visually impaired and blind individuals to discuss frustrations in their lives. for an invertation To join contact lsterling0 at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liz Bottner Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 8:13 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads HI, I have been using an iPhone since around September, and have had no problems with it. I find the gestures very intuitive. All in all, it's an amazing little device, in my opinion. It's much more than just a phone. If you have specific questions about it, feel free to ask either on or off list. Thanks, and take care, Liz email: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/l.sterling0%40gmail. com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 20:27:40 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:27:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads In-Reply-To: <006c01cad274$ad9a4b90$08cee2b0$@com> References: <9D321B484CD7485BA7E5F13609B5286B@Rufus> <006c01cad274$ad9a4b90$08cee2b0$@com> Message-ID: Thanks for that info. I've never had the chance to see an iPod Touch, but it does sound like something usuable, and obviously people use it, so that sounds really exciting! Now if only other schools would give out iPads, too! ~Jewel On 4/2/10, lsterling0 wrote: > Hi Liz, have you tried the reader and bar code scanner on your Iphone? > Lou > > Owner of vipspouses a list for visually impaired and blind individuals to > discuss frustrations in their lives. > for an invertation To join contact > lsterling0 at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Liz Bottner > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 8:13 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Pa. university to give all students iPads > > HI, > > I have been using an iPhone since around September, and have had no problems > with it. I find the gestures very intuitive. All in all, it's an amazing > little device, in my opinion. It's much more than just a phone. If you have > specific questions about it, feel free to ask either on or off list. > > Thanks, and take care, > > Liz > > email: > liziswhatis at hotmail.com > Visit my LiveJournal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/lizbot > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/l.sterling0%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 21:52:47 2010 From: hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com (Maria Hernandez) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 16:52:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] mailing submission Message-ID: Hey, Please post this in the next mailing. Are you a dancer? Are you NOT a dancer? Are you willing to learn something new and have fun? Then come to Salsa Dance lessons and Latin Dance Party at our Convention in Dallas!! Come and get into the rhythm of the convention, learn to dance the Salsa and dance the night away! Bring your partner or find one here. Group and individual instruction will be provided at any level of proficiency. Please come and support this fundraising event for the Spanish Translation Committee. There will be a $5 charge at the door. We are planning this event for Saturday evening from 7:30-11:00. Check the agenda for the exact time and place. Have a special song request? Send it to Conchita Hernandez hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com -- Conchita Hernandez From davidb521 at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 22:33:57 2010 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 17:33:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading .brf files with JAWS Message-ID: <4bb670de.0d0bca0a.32d3.ffff89f0@mx.google.com> Hi, I have a laptop computer with JAWS 11, Duxbury 10.7, and Open Book 8. I am using my PAC Mate's 40-cell Braille display. I would love to be able to read .brf files using my computer. What is the best way to go about reading them in their correct format? Regards, David Bouchard From serenacucco at verizon.net Sat Apr 3 19:26:40 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:26:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics Message-ID: <494F1F392C634BD0A7BBE6BE3AA0FFD4@Serene> Hey Nabsters, Have any of you Braille users have taken Statistics for graduate school? Did you have your books in Braille? Do you think it would be necessary for me to get mine in Braille? Or would a good Stats reader be sufficient? Thanks, Serena From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sat Apr 3 20:36:01 2010 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:36:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics References: <494F1F392C634BD0A7BBE6BE3AA0FFD4@Serene> Message-ID: <956389FC266C47128BE169458EDD0EBB@D3DTZP41> Hello Serena: I think it depends on how involved the Stats course is. A knowledgeable reader would be a good idea. A simple introductory course might not require a brailled book, but I think a more advanced course would certainly require a brailled text. You might want to check out the Statistics course from Touch Graphics. This course uses the Talking Tactile Tablet. The link for Touch Graphics is: http://www.touchgraphics.com Please mention my name if you contact Touch Graphics. Regards, Robert Jaquiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics > Hey Nabsters, > > Have any of you Braille users have taken Statistics for graduate school? > Did you have your books in Braille? Do you think it would be necessary > for me to get mine in Braille? Or would a good Stats reader be > sufficient? > > Thanks, > Serena > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.net From trillian551 at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 22:27:31 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:27:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] stats course Message-ID: Hey Serena, I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math books, especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject historically speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it is helpful to be able to see them. However, transcribing them into braille is costly and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and having someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I will not be needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send it to you if you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral statistics by hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in the social science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For anyone else reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let me know. I will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of fighting for me to get it. Hope this helps. Mary -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From serenacucco at verizon.net Sat Apr 3 22:42:34 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 18:42:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics References: <494F1F392C634BD0A7BBE6BE3AA0FFD4@Serene> <956389FC266C47128BE169458EDD0EBB@D3DTZP41> Message-ID: Thanks Robert! It'll be a intro course ... I have to take it as a requirement for my masters degree in Social Work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Jaquiss" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics > Hello Serena: > > I think it depends on how involved the Stats course is. A > knowledgeable reader would be a good idea. A simple introductory course > might not require a brailled book, but I think a more advanced course > would certainly require a brailled text. You might want to check out the > Statistics course from Touch Graphics. This course uses the Talking > Tactile Tablet. The link for Touch Graphics is: > http://www.touchgraphics.com > > Please mention my name if you contact Touch Graphics. > > Regards, > > Robert Jaquiss > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serena" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 2:26 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics > > >> Hey Nabsters, >> >> Have any of you Braille users have taken Statistics for graduate school? >> Did you have your books in Braille? Do you think it would be necessary >> for me to get mine in Braille? Or would a good Stats reader be >> sufficient? >> >> Thanks, >> Serena >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Sun Apr 4 00:11:28 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 20:11:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] stats course References: Message-ID: I'll find out the name of the book I'll need and let you know ... That's a great offer! I'm studying Social Work, so your book could be the one I'll be using. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Fernandez" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 6:27 PM Subject: [nabs-l] stats course > Hey Serena, > I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math books, > especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject historically > speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it is helpful to > be able to see them. However, transcribing them into braille is costly > and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. > Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and having > someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I will not be > needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send it to you if > you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral statistics by > hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in the social > science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For anyone else > reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let me know. I > will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of fighting for me to > get it. > Hope this helps. > Mary > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 00:25:25 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 19:25:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] stats course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, I've taken four semesters of stats (two undergraduate and two graduate-level). Although I love Braille and use it often, I couldn't get it from my school. When I took Intro stats, I used an E-text copy of the textbook, which I read on my Braille Note. This was helpful except that some symbols and formulas didn't transcribe properly in E-text, so some symbols showed up as spaces instead of the actual symbol. I needed to use a reader to disentangle these. When I took my second stats course, it was my last semester of college and I decided that I was tired of vying with my DSS office for control over my academic life. So, instead of requesting the book from them, I ordered it from RFB&D. The book we used was an 1989 edition, so I received the book on audiocassette (the old analog cassettes). Yes, this was a pain, but it actually worked out much better than I feared. The RFB readers were great and read all the formulas and equations clearly. I would listen to the tape and then immediately write down any relevant formulas on my Braille Note. When I worked homework problems out of the book, I would write down the entire problem on my Braille Note, turn off the tape and work it out. The only thing that was a little tricky was getting access to the tables of critical values in the back of the book. However, I solved this by finding the relevant tables online, which has been a good ongoing solution as I continue to use stats in my graduate career. When I took stats at the graduate level we had a textbook, but it wasn't required and was basically just a repeat of the lectures (our teachers authored the textbook). So I learned the material entirely by lecture and did the homework assignments electronically (these were posted online for all students). Again, it was very helpful to be able to write down what I heard in lecture on my Braille Note to refer back to later. In sum, I would say that Braille texts are nice but not necessary. If you don't have a Braille text, a good Braille notetaker that you can use to take detailed notes on what you hear from class, audio text, or a reader is very helpful. I have been able to refer back to the notes I took in intro stats from five years ago and be able to use them as a refresher when I tutor intro. I personally don't think graphs are very important in mastering statistics. Sighted students love them, and they provide some good conceptual clarification at the beginning, but once you get into it, it's really just about plugging numbers into the appropriate formula and then comparing what you get to a criterion. Once you get past a certain point, much of your calculations will be done on the computer, and you will simply need to know what to put into the calculation and how to interpret the output that the computer program gives you. I certainly wouldn't discourage exploring tactile graphing options if you are someone who prefers to learn that way, but I don't think accessing the graphs is a necessary part of learning the material. If you are confused by a particular concept, setting up a few appointments with your professor, TA, or a tutor is likely to get you far. Remember that teaching assistants, especially for stats, are there specifically to help students in a more one-on-one manner. Feel free to write me privately if you have additional questions, or if you would like to learn more about the solutions I've found for handling stats calculations on the computer. Arielle On 4/3/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hey Serena, > I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math books, > especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject historically > speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it is helpful to > be able to see them. However, transcribing them into braille is costly > and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. > Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and having > someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I will not be > needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send it to you if > you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral statistics by > hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in the social > science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For anyone else > reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let me know. I > will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of fighting for me to > get it. > Hope this helps. > Mary > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 05:00:11 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 00:00:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] mailing submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Maria and all, Thank you for submitting this announcement. At the beginning of June I will send out a bulletin exclusively dedicated to convention announcements, and I will include your submission then. I will remind the rest of you next month, but if you are heading convention events that you think might be of interest to students, please send me the announcements before June 1 and I will publish them in early June. Arielle On 4/2/10, Maria Hernandez wrote: > Hey, > Please post this in the next mailing. > Are you a dancer? Are you NOT a dancer? Are you willing to learn > something new and have fun? Then come to Salsa Dance lessons and Latin > Dance Party at our Convention in Dallas!! Come and get into the rhythm of > the > convention, learn to dance the Salsa and dance the night away! Bring > your partner or find one here. Group and individual instruction will > be provided at any level of proficiency. Please come and support this > fundraising event for the Spanish Translation Committee. There will be > a $5 charge at the door. We are planning this event for Saturday > evening from 7:30-11:00. > Check the agenda for the exact time and place. Have > a special song request? Send it to Conchita Hernandez > hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com > > -- > Conchita Hernandez > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From trillian551 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 06:25:41 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 02:25:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] stats course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, It is true that once you get deeper into stats most of your calculations involve plugging things in and solving. My experience in my introductory course however, did put a lot of emphasis on the visual display of information. This is especially true when speaking about power and regression. For me, since it was my first exposure to stats, because I did not take it in high school, I found it very difficult to be able to visualize the graphs, and then duplicate them in an exam. That's why I strongly advocate for the braille version. But as I said before, I think it's a very personal choice. If you have the option to try to get braille books, or simply do it with a reader, than think about your past experiences and decide that way. But always have a back up plan and be flexible. If, on the other hand, you have absolutely no choice in the matter, than as Arielle pointed out, it is completely possible to get through stats with no braille text. I'm very old fashion and find it difficult to do complex math problems on a braille note, since the braille display only shows one line at a time. I still use my perkins for math. Smile. But that's just because of my style of learning, and it works for me. Find something that works for you, and stick with it. Also, if you are going to be using SPSS or any other statistical software, I would start contacting the tech people now, so they can install jaws and the java bridge. I've found spss to be highly accessible when the java bridge is installed properly. Most of the output can pasted to excel or word and jaws will read all pertinent information. But if at all possible, try to familiarize yourself with spss before the course begins since it takes a little bit of practice to know where to find everything. Sincerely, Mary On 4/3/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > I've taken four semesters of stats (two undergraduate and two > graduate-level). Although I love Braille and use it often, I couldn't > get it from my school. When I took Intro stats, I used an E-text copy > of the textbook, which I read on my Braille Note. This was helpful > except that some symbols and formulas didn't transcribe properly in > E-text, so some symbols showed up as spaces instead of the actual > symbol. I needed to use a reader to disentangle these. > > When I took my second stats course, it was my last semester of college > and I decided that I was tired of vying with my DSS office for control > over my academic life. So, instead of requesting the book from them, I > ordered it from RFB&D. The book we used was an 1989 edition, so I > received the book on audiocassette (the old analog cassettes). Yes, > this was a pain, but it actually worked out much better than I feared. > The RFB readers were great and read all the formulas and equations > clearly. I would listen to the tape and then immediately write down > any relevant formulas on my Braille Note. When I worked homework > problems out of the book, I would write down the entire problem on my > Braille Note, turn off the tape and work it out. The only thing that > was a little tricky was getting access to the tables of critical > values in the back of the book. However, I solved this by finding the > relevant tables online, which has been a good ongoing solution as I > continue to use stats in my graduate career. > > When I took stats at the graduate level we had a textbook, but it > wasn't required and was basically just a repeat of the lectures (our > teachers authored the textbook). So I learned the material entirely by > lecture and did the homework assignments electronically (these were > posted online for all students). Again, it was very helpful to be able > to write down what I heard in lecture on my Braille Note to refer back > to later. > > In sum, I would say that Braille texts are nice but not necessary. If > you don't have a Braille text, a good Braille notetaker that you can > use to take detailed notes on what you hear from class, audio text, or > a reader is very helpful. I have been able to refer back to the notes > I took in intro stats from five years ago and be able to use them as a > refresher when I tutor intro. > > I personally don't think graphs are very important in mastering > statistics. Sighted students love them, and they provide some good > conceptual clarification at the beginning, but once you get into it, > it's really just about plugging numbers into the appropriate formula > and then comparing what you get to a criterion. Once you get past a > certain point, much of your calculations will be done on the computer, > and you will simply need to know what to put into the calculation and > how to interpret the output that the computer program gives you. I > certainly wouldn't discourage exploring tactile graphing options if > you are someone who prefers to learn that way, but I don't think > accessing the graphs is a necessary part of learning the material. If > you are confused by a particular concept, setting up a few > appointments with your professor, TA, or a tutor is likely to get you > far. Remember that teaching assistants, especially for stats, are > there specifically to help students in a more one-on-one manner. > > Feel free to write me privately if you have additional questions, or > if you would like to learn more about the solutions I've found for > handling stats calculations on the computer. > > Arielle > > On 4/3/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> Hey Serena, >> I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math books, >> especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject historically >> speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it is helpful to >> be able to see them. However, transcribing them into braille is costly >> and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. >> Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and having >> someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I will not be >> needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send it to you if >> you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral statistics by >> hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in the social >> science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For anyone else >> reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let me know. I >> will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of fighting for me to >> get it. >> Hope this helps. >> Mary >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 15:05:54 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:05:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] stats course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am also a very hands-on learner. I talked to Wake Tech, where I will be going in the fall, about math and science... First of all, I'll be using my Crammer abacus in place of pencil and paper and noting down each step I took. The school also uses a magnetic board for math problems (you place the numbers [Brailled] on the board in the right place, and go from there). They also told me that they will Braille portions of my math and science books as needed for graphics and images, as they have an embosser that does tactile images. I plan on taking full advantage of this, especially for Astronomy and graphical algebra. A suggestion about the Stats book. If you don't find someone who wants it, maybe put it on NFB ShareBraille? Someone will see it, and if they want it, they'll send you a message requesting it. It goes to the first person who requests it, but I've noticed that textbooks stay on there awhile. I don't think anyone takes the books unless they really want/need them. I know I don't. ~Jewel On 4/4/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hello All, > It is true that once you get deeper into stats most of your > calculations involve plugging things in and solving. My experience in > my introductory course however, did put a lot of emphasis on the > visual display of information. This is especially true when speaking > about power and regression. For me, since it was my first exposure to > stats, because I did not take it in high school, I found it very > difficult to be able to visualize the graphs, and then duplicate them > in an exam. That's why I strongly advocate for the braille version. > But as I said before, I think it's a very personal choice. If you have > the option to try to get braille books, or simply do it with a reader, > than think about your past experiences and decide that way. But always > have a back up plan and be flexible. If, on the other hand, you have > absolutely no choice in the matter, than as Arielle pointed out, it is > completely possible to get through stats with no braille text. I'm > very old fashion and find it difficult to do complex math problems on > a braille note, since the braille display only shows one line at a > time. I still use my perkins for math. Smile. But that's just because > of my style of learning, and it works for me. Find something that > works for you, and stick with it. Also, if you are going to be using > SPSS or any other statistical software, I would start contacting the > tech people now, so they can install jaws and the java bridge. I've > found spss to be highly accessible when the java bridge is installed > properly. Most of the output can pasted to excel or word and jaws > will read all pertinent information. But if at all possible, try to > familiarize yourself with spss before the course begins since it takes > a little bit of practice to know where to find everything. > > Sincerely, > Mary > > > On 4/3/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've taken four semesters of stats (two undergraduate and two >> graduate-level). Although I love Braille and use it often, I couldn't >> get it from my school. When I took Intro stats, I used an E-text copy >> of the textbook, which I read on my Braille Note. This was helpful >> except that some symbols and formulas didn't transcribe properly in >> E-text, so some symbols showed up as spaces instead of the actual >> symbol. I needed to use a reader to disentangle these. >> >> When I took my second stats course, it was my last semester of college >> and I decided that I was tired of vying with my DSS office for control >> over my academic life. So, instead of requesting the book from them, I >> ordered it from RFB&D. The book we used was an 1989 edition, so I >> received the book on audiocassette (the old analog cassettes). Yes, >> this was a pain, but it actually worked out much better than I feared. >> The RFB readers were great and read all the formulas and equations >> clearly. I would listen to the tape and then immediately write down >> any relevant formulas on my Braille Note. When I worked homework >> problems out of the book, I would write down the entire problem on my >> Braille Note, turn off the tape and work it out. The only thing that >> was a little tricky was getting access to the tables of critical >> values in the back of the book. However, I solved this by finding the >> relevant tables online, which has been a good ongoing solution as I >> continue to use stats in my graduate career. >> >> When I took stats at the graduate level we had a textbook, but it >> wasn't required and was basically just a repeat of the lectures (our >> teachers authored the textbook). So I learned the material entirely by >> lecture and did the homework assignments electronically (these were >> posted online for all students). Again, it was very helpful to be able >> to write down what I heard in lecture on my Braille Note to refer back >> to later. >> >> In sum, I would say that Braille texts are nice but not necessary. If >> you don't have a Braille text, a good Braille notetaker that you can >> use to take detailed notes on what you hear from class, audio text, or >> a reader is very helpful. I have been able to refer back to the notes >> I took in intro stats from five years ago and be able to use them as a >> refresher when I tutor intro. >> >> I personally don't think graphs are very important in mastering >> statistics. Sighted students love them, and they provide some good >> conceptual clarification at the beginning, but once you get into it, >> it's really just about plugging numbers into the appropriate formula >> and then comparing what you get to a criterion. Once you get past a >> certain point, much of your calculations will be done on the computer, >> and you will simply need to know what to put into the calculation and >> how to interpret the output that the computer program gives you. I >> certainly wouldn't discourage exploring tactile graphing options if >> you are someone who prefers to learn that way, but I don't think >> accessing the graphs is a necessary part of learning the material. If >> you are confused by a particular concept, setting up a few >> appointments with your professor, TA, or a tutor is likely to get you >> far. Remember that teaching assistants, especially for stats, are >> there specifically to help students in a more one-on-one manner. >> >> Feel free to write me privately if you have additional questions, or >> if you would like to learn more about the solutions I've found for >> handling stats calculations on the computer. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/3/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Hey Serena, >>> I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math books, >>> especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject historically >>> speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it is helpful to >>> be able to see them. However, transcribing them into braille is costly >>> and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. >>> Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and having >>> someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I will not be >>> needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send it to you if >>> you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral statistics by >>> hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in the social >>> science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For anyone else >>> reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let me know. I >>> will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of fighting for me to >>> get it. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 15:19:21 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 11:19:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Talking Book Player Question Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know how to put more than one NLS book on a flash drive to play on the digital player? When I asked the library, they said it can't be done, that each cartiridge or flash drive can only have one book, but I have talked to several people who say they have many books on one flash drive. One person had 50 books on one flash drive. I'd like to be able to put more than one book on my flash drive, too. Any ideas? As a side note, I was told by the library that the digital book player will not play mp3 files. This is *false*. I have played the DVS movies from www.blindmicemart.com on my digital player with no problem, including putting in bookmarks and changing tone and speed with no problem. I am sure it'll play mp3 files of music and books that don't have an UAK requirement (like those from audible.com or the Internet Archives). Just a tip that I found out. ~Jewel From cbuckley at pdx.edu Sun Apr 4 15:34:35 2010 From: cbuckley at pdx.edu (Chrys Buckley) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 08:34:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A&P In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100404083435.57361qma89m3mruz@webmail.pdx.edu> Reading the discussion about stats classes made me think of something I have been meaning to ask the list for awhile about a different class, Anatomy & Physiology. I will be taking A&P next year and it is a year-long class and I am really looking forward to it but am also worried about the lab portion of it because I have heard it is very visual. I am wondering if anyone else on here has taken A&P and if they have any strategies or tips to deal with the lab for that class. I'm a bio major and loving it, just a bit worried about this upcoming class next year! Chrys Quoting Mary Fernandez : > Hello All, > It is true that once you get deeper into stats most of your > calculations involve plugging things in and solving. My experience in > my introductory course however, did put a lot of emphasis on the > visual display of information. This is especially true when speaking > about power and regression. For me, since it was my first exposure to > stats, because I did not take it in high school, I found it very > difficult to be able to visualize the graphs, and then duplicate them > in an exam. That's why I strongly advocate for the braille version. > But as I said before, I think it's a very personal choice. If you have > the option to try to get braille books, or simply do it with a reader, > than think about your past experiences and decide that way. But always > have a back up plan and be flexible. If, on the other hand, you have > absolutely no choice in the matter, than as Arielle pointed out, it is > completely possible to get through stats with no braille text. I'm > very old fashion and find it difficult to do complex math problems on > a braille note, since the braille display only shows one line at a > time. I still use my perkins for math. Smile. But that's just because > of my style of learning, and it works for me. Find something that > works for you, and stick with it. Also, if you are going to be using > SPSS or any other statistical software, I would start contacting the > tech people now, so they can install jaws and the java bridge. I've > found spss to be highly accessible when the java bridge is installed > properly. Most of the output can pasted to excel or word and jaws > will read all pertinent information. But if at all possible, try to > familiarize yourself with spss before the course begins since it takes > a little bit of practice to know where to find everything. > > Sincerely, > Mary > > > On 4/3/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've taken four semesters of stats (two undergraduate and two >> graduate-level). Although I love Braille and use it often, I couldn't >> get it from my school. When I took Intro stats, I used an E-text copy >> of the textbook, which I read on my Braille Note. This was helpful >> except that some symbols and formulas didn't transcribe properly in >> E-text, so some symbols showed up as spaces instead of the actual >> symbol. I needed to use a reader to disentangle these. >> >> When I took my second stats course, it was my last semester of college >> and I decided that I was tired of vying with my DSS office for control >> over my academic life. So, instead of requesting the book from them, I >> ordered it from RFB&D. The book we used was an 1989 edition, so I >> received the book on audiocassette (the old analog cassettes). Yes, >> this was a pain, but it actually worked out much better than I feared. >> The RFB readers were great and read all the formulas and equations >> clearly. I would listen to the tape and then immediately write down >> any relevant formulas on my Braille Note. When I worked homework >> problems out of the book, I would write down the entire problem on my >> Braille Note, turn off the tape and work it out. The only thing that >> was a little tricky was getting access to the tables of critical >> values in the back of the book. However, I solved this by finding the >> relevant tables online, which has been a good ongoing solution as I >> continue to use stats in my graduate career. >> >> When I took stats at the graduate level we had a textbook, but it >> wasn't required and was basically just a repeat of the lectures (our >> teachers authored the textbook). So I learned the material entirely by >> lecture and did the homework assignments electronically (these were >> posted online for all students). Again, it was very helpful to be able >> to write down what I heard in lecture on my Braille Note to refer back >> to later. >> >> In sum, I would say that Braille texts are nice but not necessary. If >> you don't have a Braille text, a good Braille notetaker that you can >> use to take detailed notes on what you hear from class, audio text, or >> a reader is very helpful. I have been able to refer back to the notes >> I took in intro stats from five years ago and be able to use them as a >> refresher when I tutor intro. >> >> I personally don't think graphs are very important in mastering >> statistics. Sighted students love them, and they provide some good >> conceptual clarification at the beginning, but once you get into it, >> it's really just about plugging numbers into the appropriate formula >> and then comparing what you get to a criterion. Once you get past a >> certain point, much of your calculations will be done on the computer, >> and you will simply need to know what to put into the calculation and >> how to interpret the output that the computer program gives you. I >> certainly wouldn't discourage exploring tactile graphing options if >> you are someone who prefers to learn that way, but I don't think >> accessing the graphs is a necessary part of learning the material. If >> you are confused by a particular concept, setting up a few >> appointments with your professor, TA, or a tutor is likely to get you >> far. Remember that teaching assistants, especially for stats, are >> there specifically to help students in a more one-on-one manner. >> >> Feel free to write me privately if you have additional questions, or >> if you would like to learn more about the solutions I've found for >> handling stats calculations on the computer. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/3/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Hey Serena, >>> I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math books, >>> especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject historically >>> speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it is helpful to >>> be able to see them. However, transcribing them into braille is costly >>> and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. >>> Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and having >>> someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I will not be >>> needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send it to you if >>> you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral statistics by >>> hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in the social >>> science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For anyone else >>> reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let me know. I >>> will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of fighting for me to >>> get it. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cbuckley%40pdx.edu > > http://chrysanthymum.blogspot.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 17:28:30 2010 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 13:28:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Talking Book Player Question References: Message-ID: <1E793741491C46A5AE9E6DA5EF48FD70@D9P3ZND1> I've been able to put more than one book on my standard dtb player. To cycle through the books I hold the play key down after power on until I hear "book shelf" and arrow right or left through the titles. Anjelina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 11:19 AM Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Talking Book Player Question > Hi all, > Does anyone know how to put more than one NLS book on a flash drive to > play on the digital player? When I asked the library, they said it > can't be done, that each cartiridge or flash drive can only have one > book, but I have talked to several people who say they have many books > on one flash drive. One person had 50 books on one flash drive. I'd > like to be able to put more than one book on my flash drive, too. Any > ideas? > > As a side note, I was told by the library that the digital book player > will not play mp3 files. This is *false*. I have played the DVS movies > from www.blindmicemart.com on my digital player with no problem, > including putting in bookmarks and changing tone and speed with no > problem. I am sure it'll play mp3 files of music and books that don't > have an UAK requirement (like those from audible.com or the Internet > Archives). Just a tip that I found out. > > ~Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 4 22:52:38 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:52:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading .brf files with JAWS In-Reply-To: <4bb670de.0d0bca0a.32d3.ffff89f0@mx.google.com> References: <4bb670de.0d0bca0a.32d3.ffff89f0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you display it in Notepad you should be able to read the Grade 2 Braille fine. Dave At 05:33 PM 4/2/2010, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a laptop computer with JAWS 11, Duxbury 10.7, and Open Book 8. I am >using my PAC Mate's 40-cell Braille display. I would love to be able to read >.brf files using my computer. What is the best way to go about reading them >in their correct format? > > > >Regards, > >David Bouchard From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 4 22:55:36 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 17:55:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille users Statistics In-Reply-To: <494F1F392C634BD0A7BBE6BE3AA0FFD4@Serene> References: <494F1F392C634BD0A7BBE6BE3AA0FFD4@Serene> Message-ID: What you do will depend in part on your learning style, and the resources available to you. If you are a good Braille user, then Braille would be ideal -- although you should be good with Nemeth. Granted, it was 32 years ago, but I used readers, and RFB&D for statistics in Grad school. I took notes in class with a slate and stylus, and didn't have good Nemeth so had to make up or write out symbols, which was a bit of a problem. Dave At 02:26 PM 4/3/2010, you wrote: >Hey Nabsters, > >Have any of you Braille users have taken Statistics for graduate >school? Did you have your books in Braille? Do you think it would >be necessary for me to get mine in Braille? Or would a good Stats >reader be sufficient? > >Thanks, >Serena From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 23:03:51 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 19:03:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] mailing submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: the conference is June 3-8, right? Just checking/confirming thanks On 4/4/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Maria and all, > > Thank you for submitting this announcement. At the beginning of June I > will send out a bulletin exclusively dedicated to convention > announcements, and I will include your submission then. I will remind > the rest of you next month, but if you are heading convention events > that you think might be of interest to students, please send me the > announcements before June 1 and I will publish them in early June. > > Arielle > > On 4/2/10, Maria Hernandez wrote: >> Hey, >> Please post this in the next mailing. >> Are you a dancer? Are you NOT a dancer? Are you willing to learn >> something new and have fun? Then come to Salsa Dance lessons and Latin >> Dance Party at our Convention in Dallas!! Come and get into the rhythm of >> the >> convention, learn to dance the Salsa and dance the night away! Bring >> your partner or find one here. Group and individual instruction will >> be provided at any level of proficiency. Please come and support this >> fundraising event for the Spanish Translation Committee. There will be >> a $5 charge at the door. We are planning this event for Saturday >> evening from 7:30-11:00. >> Check the agenda for the exact time and place. Have >> a special song request? Send it to Conchita Hernandez >> hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com >> >> -- >> Conchita Hernandez >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 23:21:58 2010 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania ) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 18:21:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A&P In-Reply-To: <20100404083435.57361qma89m3mruz@webmail.pdx.edu> References: <20100404083435.57361qma89m3mruz@webmail.pdx.edu> Message-ID: <164889D7686E44DCB846529ED37C8B62@RainaIsmailPC> Hi I am taking a and p for the second time. Yes a lot of it is visual but when you are learning the bones and muscles you should have your instructor find the bones and muscles on you as they are being talked about. You should also tuch the skeletin every chance you get. That will really help you as well as finding the bones and muscles on your self and someone else like a classmate. You can also use playdoe and have someone form the different shapes that represent things like the muscles as well. Unforchenitly I didn't have a lab with my a and p so I hope this helps! If you have any other questions feel free to email me at raniaismail04 at gmail.com Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chrys Buckley Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 10:35 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] A&P Reading the discussion about stats classes made me think of something I have been meaning to ask the list for awhile about a different class, Anatomy & Physiology. I will be taking A&P next year and it is a year-long class and I am really looking forward to it but am also worried about the lab portion of it because I have heard it is very visual. I am wondering if anyone else on here has taken A&P and if they have any strategies or tips to deal with the lab for that class. I'm a bio major and loving it, just a bit worried about this upcoming class next year! Chrys Quoting Mary Fernandez : > Hello All, > It is true that once you get deeper into stats most of your > calculations involve plugging things in and solving. My experience in > my introductory course however, did put a lot of emphasis on the > visual display of information. This is especially true when speaking > about power and regression. For me, since it was my first exposure to > stats, because I did not take it in high school, I found it very > difficult to be able to visualize the graphs, and then duplicate them > in an exam. That's why I strongly advocate for the braille version. > But as I said before, I think it's a very personal choice. If you have > the option to try to get braille books, or simply do it with a reader, > than think about your past experiences and decide that way. But always > have a back up plan and be flexible. If, on the other hand, you have > absolutely no choice in the matter, than as Arielle pointed out, it is > completely possible to get through stats with no braille text. I'm > very old fashion and find it difficult to do complex math problems on > a braille note, since the braille display only shows one line at a > time. I still use my perkins for math. Smile. But that's just because > of my style of learning, and it works for me. Find something that > works for you, and stick with it. Also, if you are going to be using > SPSS or any other statistical software, I would start contacting the > tech people now, so they can install jaws and the java bridge. I've > found spss to be highly accessible when the java bridge is installed > properly. Most of the output can pasted to excel or word and jaws > will read all pertinent information. But if at all possible, try to > familiarize yourself with spss before the course begins since it takes > a little bit of practice to know where to find everything. > > Sincerely, > Mary > > > On 4/3/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I've taken four semesters of stats (two undergraduate and two >> graduate-level). Although I love Braille and use it often, I couldn't >> get it from my school. When I took Intro stats, I used an E-text copy >> of the textbook, which I read on my Braille Note. This was helpful >> except that some symbols and formulas didn't transcribe properly in >> E-text, so some symbols showed up as spaces instead of the actual >> symbol. I needed to use a reader to disentangle these. >> >> When I took my second stats course, it was my last semester of >> college and I decided that I was tired of vying with my DSS office >> for control over my academic life. So, instead of requesting the book >> from them, I ordered it from RFB&D. The book we used was an 1989 >> edition, so I received the book on audiocassette (the old analog >> cassettes). Yes, this was a pain, but it actually worked out much better than I feared. >> The RFB readers were great and read all the formulas and equations >> clearly. I would listen to the tape and then immediately write down >> any relevant formulas on my Braille Note. When I worked homework >> problems out of the book, I would write down the entire problem on my >> Braille Note, turn off the tape and work it out. The only thing that >> was a little tricky was getting access to the tables of critical >> values in the back of the book. However, I solved this by finding the >> relevant tables online, which has been a good ongoing solution as I >> continue to use stats in my graduate career. >> >> When I took stats at the graduate level we had a textbook, but it >> wasn't required and was basically just a repeat of the lectures (our >> teachers authored the textbook). So I learned the material entirely >> by lecture and did the homework assignments electronically (these >> were posted online for all students). Again, it was very helpful to >> be able to write down what I heard in lecture on my Braille Note to >> refer back to later. >> >> In sum, I would say that Braille texts are nice but not necessary. If >> you don't have a Braille text, a good Braille notetaker that you can >> use to take detailed notes on what you hear from class, audio text, >> or a reader is very helpful. I have been able to refer back to the >> notes I took in intro stats from five years ago and be able to use >> them as a refresher when I tutor intro. >> >> I personally don't think graphs are very important in mastering >> statistics. Sighted students love them, and they provide some good >> conceptual clarification at the beginning, but once you get into it, >> it's really just about plugging numbers into the appropriate formula >> and then comparing what you get to a criterion. Once you get past a >> certain point, much of your calculations will be done on the >> computer, and you will simply need to know what to put into the >> calculation and how to interpret the output that the computer program >> gives you. I certainly wouldn't discourage exploring tactile graphing >> options if you are someone who prefers to learn that way, but I don't >> think accessing the graphs is a necessary part of learning the >> material. If you are confused by a particular concept, setting up a >> few appointments with your professor, TA, or a tutor is likely to get >> you far. Remember that teaching assistants, especially for stats, are >> there specifically to help students in a more one-on-one manner. >> >> Feel free to write me privately if you have additional questions, or >> if you would like to learn more about the solutions I've found for >> handling stats calculations on the computer. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/3/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Hey Serena, >>> I happen to be a very hands on learner. I like to read my math >>> books, especially with stats. Math has been my weakest subject >>> historically speaking, and when it comes to the graphics and such it >>> is helpful to be able to see them. However, transcribing them into >>> braille is costly and it toally depends on your school whether they braille it or not. >>> Honestly, it comes down to how comfortable you are in math and >>> having someone just read these things to you. If it's any help, I >>> will not be needing my stts text and it's in braille. I could send >>> it to you if you want it. It's called comprehending behavioral >>> statistics by hurlbert. It is leaning towards stats as applied in >>> the social science, so I'm not sure how much it will help. For >>> anyone else reading this post, if you need a stats braille book, let >>> me know. I will not be throwing it out since it took a lot of >>> fighting for me to get it. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.preside >>> nt%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%4 >> 0gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. 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I just got my digital player Friday and it has 2.1.3 on it. There's a podcast at www.blindcooltech.com you should listen to. It tells you everything you ever wanted to know and then some about the NLS player. hth On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Jewel S. wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone know how to put more than one NLS book on a flash drive to > play on the digital player? When I asked the library, they said it > can't be done, that each cartiridge or flash drive can only have one > book, but I have talked to several people who say they have many books > on one flash drive. One person had 50 books on one flash drive. I'd > like to be able to put more than one book on my flash drive, too. Any > ideas? > > As a side note, I was told by the library that the digital book player > will not play mp3 files. This is *false*. I have played the DVS movies > from www.blindmicemart.com on my digital player with no problem, > including putting in bookmarks and changing tone and speed with no > problem. I am sure it'll play mp3 files of music and books that don't > have an UAK requirement (like those from audible.com or the Internet > Archives). Just a tip that I found out. > > ~Jewel > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com From davidb521 at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 01:17:26 2010 From: davidb521 at gmail.com (David) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 20:17:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading .brf files with JAWS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4bb93a35.0f0bca0a.1b64.ffffb2f9@mx.google.com> It seems to work fine, but I'm not seeing anything in in Cell 1. Everything starts in at least Cell 2. Is there a reason for that? David -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 5:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading .brf files with JAWS If you display it in Notepad you should be able to read the Grade 2 Braille fine. Dave At 05:33 PM 4/2/2010, you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a laptop computer with JAWS 11, Duxbury 10.7, and Open Book 8. I am >using my PAC Mate's 40-cell Braille display. I would love to be able to read >.brf files using my computer. What is the best way to go about reading them >in their correct format? > > > >Regards, > >David Bouchard _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/davidb521%40gmail.co m From dandrews at visi.com Mon Apr 5 01:41:13 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:41:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading .brf files with JAWS In-Reply-To: <4bb93a35.0f0bca0a.1b64.ffffb2f9@mx.google.com> References: <4bb93a35.0f0bca0a.1b64.ffffb2f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not sure why. Dave At 08:17 PM 4/4/2010, you wrote: >It seems to work fine, but I'm not seeing anything in in Cell 1. Everything >starts in at least Cell 2. Is there a reason for that? >David >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of David Andrews >Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 5:53 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading .brf files with JAWS > >If you display it in Notepad you should be able to read the Grade 2 >Braille fine. > >Dave > >At 05:33 PM 4/2/2010, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I have a laptop computer with JAWS 11, Duxbury 10.7, and Open Book 8. I am > >using my PAC Mate's 40-cell Braille display. I would love to be able to >read > >.brf files using my computer. What is the best way to go about reading them > >in their correct format? > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > >David Bouchard From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 15:38:59 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 11:38:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Talking Book Player Question In-Reply-To: <30F6F84A-EA9C-4721-8673-A1985C5E1B17@insightbb.com> References: <30F6F84A-EA9C-4721-8673-A1985C5E1B17@insightbb.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that link! That podcast is great, and there are other good ones on there. A great resource! On 4/4/10, Kimberly thurman wrote: > You can put more than one book on your flash drive if you are running the > 2.1.3 fernware on your machine. I just got my digital player Friday and it > has 2.1.3 on it. There's a podcast at www.blindcooltech.com you should > listen to. It tells you everything you ever wanted to know and then some > about the NLS player. hth > On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Jewel S. wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Does anyone know how to put more than one NLS book on a flash drive to >> play on the digital player? When I asked the library, they said it >> can't be done, that each cartiridge or flash drive can only have one >> book, but I have talked to several people who say they have many books >> on one flash drive. One person had 50 books on one flash drive. I'd >> like to be able to put more than one book on my flash drive, too. Any >> ideas? >> >> As a side note, I was told by the library that the digital book player >> will not play mp3 files. This is *false*. I have played the DVS movies >> from www.blindmicemart.com on my digital player with no problem, >> including putting in bookmarks and changing tone and speed with no >> problem. I am sure it'll play mp3 files of music and books that don't >> have an UAK requirement (like those from audible.com or the Internet >> Archives). Just a tip that I found out. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 20:14:33 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:14:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Am I still welcome? and Greetings! Message-ID: <00f801cad4fc$9c81f490$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Hi guys: I used to be on here some time ago, unsubscribed for changes in email and because of not knowing if I was still allowed though having graduated in Psychology and other reasons. Now I'm back because I am still taking more courses to keep up with my field and even more have experiences and questions not only in this area but in others I'll be sharing as time goes by. also I'm looking forward to learn tips and tricks that will help me become a better blind person. Now for all the rambling I'm Gerardo from Mexico and though graduated with a Psychology Major in March of 2002 am still taking courses to keep up with my field. Thanks beforehand for allowing me to join the list again in hopes of learning from you guys and sharing my experiences. Gerardo From gera1027 at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 20:43:11 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 15:43:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others Message-ID: <011a01cad500$9ce5c2a0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived these experiences while living at home. Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at home a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one leaves home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but have had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting to (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked for you guys? I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our home? Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? Has this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating larger when having blind kids? thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more than one. Gerardo From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Apr 5 21:17:31 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:17:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others In-Reply-To: <011a01cad500$9ce5c2a0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> References: <011a01cad500$9ce5c2a0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: As far as disagreements and the lack of maturity, I think it's common for parents to approach things in a more united front. To be honest, I sstill live at home if not in college, but my parents are trying to let me do things on my own. But since my budget is too small--fifty a week--I can't manage money and can't do a lot. I don't know what to do if I work in a vending stand operation. So that's the thing. Another thing, marriage and dating is a problem because my parents might get word of one obsession or crush after another. Let's face it. I just want to live a normal and productive life with a husband and children and house of my own, but my parents still treat me like a small child. They have not yet encouraged me or given me any positive feedback whatsoever about my good points as my old friend Kristen puts it. Btw, Kristen and I have known each other since fifth grade. So there I have something to stick with. Beth On 4/5/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived > these experiences while living at home. > Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at home > a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one leaves > home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but have > had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting to > (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked for > you guys? > I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently > here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such > says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our home? > Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers > always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? Has > this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating > larger when having blind kids? > thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more than > one. > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From hope.paulos at maine.edu Mon Apr 5 21:49:56 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 17:49:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Am I still welcome? and Greetings! References: <00f801cad4fc$9c81f490$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <8F0B0D448EB14349AF58FE077F34066A@Hope> ¡Saludos Gerardo! My name is Hope Paulos and I've recently graduated with 2 bachelor's degrees: Secondary Education with a concentration in Spanish and another in Foreign Languages: Spanish and German. I'm will be returning to school to receive my certification in Assistive Technolog. Welcome to the list!!! Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" To: "BlindStudents" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 4:14 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Am I still welcome? and Greetings! > Hi guys: I used to be on here some time ago, unsubscribed for changes in > email and because of not knowing if I was still allowed though having > graduated in Psychology and other reasons. Now I'm back because I am > still > taking more courses to keep up with my field and even more have > experiences > and questions not only in this area but in others I'll be sharing as time > goes by. also I'm looking forward to learn tips and tricks that will help > me > become a better blind person. Now for all the rambling I'm Gerardo from > Mexico and though graduated with a Psychology Major in March of 2002 am > still taking courses to keep up with my field. Thanks beforehand for > allowing me to join the list again in hopes of learning from you guys and > sharing my experiences. > Gerardo > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From kimthurman at insightbb.com Mon Apr 5 23:40:47 2010 From: kimthurman at insightbb.com (Kimberly thurman) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 19:40:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Talking Book Player Question In-Reply-To: References: <30F6F84A-EA9C-4721-8673-A1985C5E1B17@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <89B2CB9E-D270-4AA8-BD57-F0714A3BD61C@insightbb.com> Glad you found it useful. I check it regularly, as there is new content put up there all the time. On Apr 5, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Jewel S. wrote: > Thanks for that link! That podcast is great, and there are other good > ones on there. A great resource! > > On 4/4/10, Kimberly thurman wrote: >> You can put more than one book on your flash drive if you are running the >> 2.1.3 fernware on your machine. I just got my digital player Friday and it >> has 2.1.3 on it. There's a podcast at www.blindcooltech.com you should >> listen to. It tells you everything you ever wanted to know and then some >> about the NLS player. hth >> On Apr 4, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Jewel S. wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know how to put more than one NLS book on a flash drive to >>> play on the digital player? When I asked the library, they said it >>> can't be done, that each cartiridge or flash drive can only have one >>> book, but I have talked to several people who say they have many books >>> on one flash drive. One person had 50 books on one flash drive. I'd >>> like to be able to put more than one book on my flash drive, too. Any >>> ideas? >>> >>> As a side note, I was told by the library that the digital book player >>> will not play mp3 files. This is *false*. I have played the DVS movies >>> from www.blindmicemart.com on my digital player with no problem, >>> including putting in bookmarks and changing tone and speed with no >>> problem. I am sure it'll play mp3 files of music and books that don't >>> have an UAK requirement (like those from audible.com or the Internet >>> Archives). Just a tip that I found out. >>> >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Apr 6 02:55:06 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:55:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others Message-ID: <20100406025506.7658.31274@web3> Gerado, It may be helpful in understanding your experiences to talk to both blind and sighted friends in Mexico. It may be that part of your struggle is reflected in your culture. As I understand it, it's not uncommon for many children to stay home longer in Mexico than in the United States whether there is a disability or not. This may be changing as we speak. >From the disability point of view, you're right that disabled people tend to leave home later than their non-disabled peers. Much of this happens because of lacks in services for education and employment. Sometimes, disabled people don't get what they need soon enough to make it possible for them to leave at the same time as their age mates. >From a much larger perspective, your parents, particularly your mother, partly identify themselves based on their relationship to you as your parents. As you grow older, that relationship will change because in a way, you are becoming more like a peer than their child. Some parents handle this better than others. The power struggle you are experiencing may partly be your mother's difficulty in letting you go, especially since she will be more worried about you than any other children she may have because of your disability. At the same time, your identity as her child is changing and you are growing into a man. This is difficult work. In short, your growing older means that your role in the home must change and your mother is having trouble adapting. I suggest to you that you spend time with your mother communicating about these issues since they are at the root of your experience. Find a way to create space where each of you can share your concerns and experiences of changing identity. This conversation will take time to develop, but it's your best chance unless you are actually able to leave and put some distance between you. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived > these experiences while living at home. > Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at home > a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one leaves > home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but have > had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting to > (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked for > you guys? > I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently > here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such > says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our home? > Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers > always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? Has > this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating > larger when having blind kids? > thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more than > one. > Gerardo > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Apr 6 02:54:40 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 22:54:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others Message-ID: <20100406025440.8978.24603@web1> Well Beth, here's some radical deconstruction for you. In effect, we disabled youth are like children twice over. Not only are we actually young and in transition into adulthood, but society views us as young and unable to handle our own affairs. We are viewed as innocent with all that term implies. We are thought of as naive and unable to make decisions regarding our own welfare. And frankly, the thought of disabled people having romantic relationships is both curious and uncomfortable for many people without disabilities. Oh, and it also doesn't help that you are a young woman. Society, in many ways, sees the female gender as unaware, potential targets of danger, and unable to handle themselves just as disabled people are. So really, you're a child thrice over. Just some thoughts. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > As far as disagreements and the lack of maturity, I think it's common > for parents to approach things in a more united front. To be honest, > I sstill live at home if not in college, but my parents are trying to > let me do things on my own. But since my budget is too small--fifty a > week--I can't manage money and can't do a lot. I don't know what to > do if I work in a vending stand operation. So that's the thing. > Another thing, marriage and dating is a problem because my parents > might get word of one obsession or crush after another. Let's face > it. I just want to live a normal and productive life with a husband > and children and house of my own, but my parents still treat me like a > small child. They have not yet encouraged me or given me any positive > feedback whatsoever about my good points as my old friend Kristen puts > it. Btw, Kristen and I have known each other since fifth grade. So > there I have something to stick with. > Beth > On 4/5/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived >> these experiences while living at home. >> Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at home >> a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one leaves >> home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but have >> had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting to >> (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked for >> you guys? >> I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently >> here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such >> says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our home? >> Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers >> always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? Has >> this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating >> larger when having blind kids? >> thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more than >> one. >> Gerardo >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 04:31:48 2010 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania ) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 23:31:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Am I still welcome? and Greetings! In-Reply-To: <00f801cad4fc$9c81f490$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> References: <00f801cad4fc$9c81f490$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <23BC6CE85EFC4D98AA1F1F399184177E@RainaIsmailPC> Hi my name is Rania, I will be graduating with my certificate in therapeutic massage in a few months. I look forward to more posts from you. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 3:15 PM To: BlindStudents Subject: [nabs-l] Am I still welcome? and Greetings! Hi guys: I used to be on here some time ago, unsubscribed for changes in email and because of not knowing if I was still allowed though having graduated in Psychology and other reasons. Now I'm back because I am still taking more courses to keep up with my field and even more have experiences and questions not only in this area but in others I'll be sharing as time goes by. also I'm looking forward to learn tips and tricks that will help me become a better blind person. Now for all the rambling I'm Gerardo from Mexico and though graduated with a Psychology Major in March of 2002 am still taking courses to keep up with my field. Thanks beforehand for allowing me to join the list again in hopes of learning from you guys and sharing my experiences. Gerardo _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.800 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2793 - Release Date: 04/05/10 13:32:00 From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 03:37:50 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:37:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS April Bulletin! Message-ID: National Association of Blind Students >From the Desk of the President April 5, 2010 In This Bulletin: 1. Get Ready for Convention! 2. Coming Soon: New NABS Website! 3. Announcements Get Ready for Convention! The following appeared in the latest issue of the Braille Monitor, the monthly newsletter of the NFB: Dallas Site of 2010 NFB Convention The 2010 convention of the National Federation of the Blind will take place in Dallas, Texas, July 3-8, at the Hilton Anatole Hotel at 2201 Stemmons Freeway, Dallas, Texas 75207. Make your room reservation as soon as possible with the Hilton Anatole staff only. Call (214) 761-7500 (214) 761-7500. The 2010 room rates are singles, doubles, and twins $62 and triples and quads $67 a night, plus a 15 percent sales tax. The hotel is accepting reservations now. A $60-per-room deposit is required to make a reservation. Fifty percent of the deposit will be refunded if notice is given to the hotel of a reservation cancellation before June 1, 2010. The other 50 percent is not refundable. Rooms will be available on a first-come, first-served basis. Reservations may be made before June 1, 2010, assuming that rooms are still available. After that time the hotel will not hold our block of rooms for the convention. In other words, you should get your reservation in soon. Guestroom amenities include cable television, coffee pot, iron and ironing board, hair dryer, and high-speed Internet access. The Hilton Anatole has several excellent restaurants, twenty-four-hour-a-day room service, first-rate meeting space, and other top-notch facilities. It is in downtown Dallas with shuttle service to both the Dallas/Ft. Worth Airport and Love Field. The schedule for the 2010 convention will follow that of last year: Saturday, July 3 Seminar Day Sunday, July 4 Registration Day Monday, July 5 Board Meeting and Division Day Tuesday, July 6 Opening Session Wednesday, July 7 Business Session Thursday, July 8 Banquet Day and Adjournment To pre-register for the convention, go to www.nfb.org We know that attending a national NFB convention can often exceed a student’s budget. If you would like to attend the convention, talk to your state or chapter president about potential funding. Many state affiliates provide funding for their members to attend national conventions. Also, your affiliate president may be able to help you find people to share a hotel room in Dallas, which will cut costs. NABS will hold our annual business meeting at the NFB convention on Sunday, July 4. Stay tuned for more details about our business meeting and other events for students! New NABS Website: We are working on reorganizing the NABS Website in order to make it more user-friendly and to ensure that our information and resources are all up-to-date and helpful. We expect to launch our new site by the end of this month! If you have comments or suggestions, please contact our NABS webmaster, Meghan Whalen, at mewhalen at wisc.edu . Announcements: >From the membership committee: Continuing our NABS conference call series, we will be holding some conference calls in April in which we will be discussing NFB philosophy. More details will be posted soon. You can also receive timely updates about our conference calls and other upcoming activities by becoming a fan of National Association of Blind Students on Facebook or following Nabslink on Twitter! >From Wisconsin: The Wisconsin Association of Blind Students is rushing around completing the many last-minute tasks required to host the NFB of Wisconsin's anual state convention. We're going to have a great time! On the afternoon of April 22, we're having a seminar dealing with conflict resolution and leadership. That evening, we'll have our anual technology seminar. Friday night, we'll have a talent show, Saturday, we'll be having a pie throwing fundraiser over the lunch break, and We'll conduct a short business meeting and elections before we head out to throw pies at state and national leaders. Saturday night, after the banquet and the auction, we're having a mock prom, complete with photographer, music and dancing, and we'll be having a goalball seminar Sunday shortly after the convention adjourns. April will be a busy month full of lots of planning, organizing and learning. WABS is very proud to host this convention in Appleton Wisconsin. >From North Carolina: The NC Association of Blind Students hosted a student seminar on Saturday March 20 in Raleigh. The day-long event was a complete success; approximately three dozen high school and college students gathered and participated in discussions on blindness and education, importance and resources for learning Braille, sports, and social involvement. Additionally, we organized an interactive community service project with pre-school students and held a hands-on technology fair. More information can be found at our website at www.ncabs.org. Brice Smith President, NC Association of Blind Students Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From dandrews at visi.com Tue Apr 6 04:46:31 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:46:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Am I still welcome? and Greetings! In-Reply-To: <00f801cad4fc$9c81f490$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> References: <00f801cad4fc$9c81f490$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: There are a number of us "students of life" on the list. Everybody is welcomed. If non-students were coming to dominate the discussion, we would step in, but otherwise anyone who has something to contribute is welcomed. David Andrews, List Owner At 03:14 PM 4/5/2010, you wrote: >Hi guys: I used to be on here some time ago, unsubscribed for changes in >email and because of not knowing if I was still allowed though having >graduated in Psychology and other reasons. Now I'm back because I am still >taking more courses to keep up with my field and even more have experiences >and questions not only in this area but in others I'll be sharing as time >goes by. also I'm looking forward to learn tips and tricks that will help me >become a better blind person. Now for all the rambling I'm Gerardo from >Mexico and though graduated with a Psychology Major in March of 2002 am >still taking courses to keep up with my field. Thanks beforehand for >allowing me to join the list again in hopes of learning from you guys and >sharing my experiences. >Gerardo From hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 17:41:35 2010 From: hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com (Maria Hernandez) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:41:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others Message-ID: Gerardo and all, I have had a similiar experience dealing with parents, living at home, dealing with blindness and coming from Mexico. My parents did not expect me to live on my own after college since I am a woman and they are very traditional. Also because of my blindness I think that they had some hesitations. However, I have learned to form some middle ground with them. I do not let them make decisions about my blindness and what they can or cannot do for me. When I do visit them, of coarse I have to deal with their rules as I am in their house. As my mom says, "es mi casa: but after much dialogue, there are some give and takes. You have to set your ground on certain issues that are very important to you such as being independant, as our parents tend to want to do everything for us. But you also need to keep in mind that living at home constitutes living on their terms. Hope this helps. Conchita -- María De La Concepción Hernández Legorreta _______________________________________ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds Albert Einstein From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 6 18:34:41 2010 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:34:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy Message-ID: <5A1D8395DEB54E9B92111259FC8F16AB@davidc0a1011d1> Come to the Mac Academy! Description This 5 day intensive workshop is designed to teach participants how to use the Voiceover screen reader that is installed on every Apple computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating system. Each day will consist of group instruction, time for practice, and personalized one on one instruction. Topics covered include, setting up an Apple computer and using Voiceover out of the box, understanding the various elements, menus, and dialogs encountered within the OS, and the many applications that come pre-installed; word processing, browsing the internet, iTunes, file management and much more. Participants who do not already own an Apple computer will be provided one to use while in class and participants may also purchase a computer as part of the training so that they may take home the computer which they have been working with during the workshop. "Apple is the clear front runner in terms of off the shelf accessibility" states Earle Harrison, President and Founder of Handy Tech North America, "and we are proud to be among the first adaptive technology companies to offer such an in-depth and comprehensive class on this exciting and ever evolving technology." Who should attend? Adaptive technology trainers, vision teachers, technicians and rehabilitation professionals. Any blind or low vision professional or student interested in learning the free Voiceover screen reader included with every Apple Macintosh computer running the Snow Leopard OSX10.6 operating system, with the goal of becoming more competitive with their sighted classmates or co-workers. Time The first Mac Academy is scheduled to take place at the Handy Tech North America training center in Columbia Heights, Minnesota beginning Monday, June 14 until Friday, June 18, 2010. Cost The cost for this event is $1,000.00 per participant (this price does not include travel, lodging or food expenses). Maximum Capacity This class has a maximum capacity of 12 participants. There will be two instructors to ensure quality one on one instruction. Accommodation/Special Group Rate Special room rates are available at the LivINN Suites located less than a mile from the training center. Complimentary transportation from the hotel to the training center will be provided by Handy Tech North America. Participants who choose to stay at a different hotel will be responsible for their own transportation. Questions? As always, please don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North America should you have any questions whatsoever. We look forward to your participation. Phone: 651-636-5184; Email: info at handytech.us. Registration The link below will take you to a page where you can find out more about the hotel and how to register for the class: www.handytech.us/mac_academy_reg.html. Best regards, Dave Wright Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 Mobile: 347-422-7085 Fax: 866-347-8249 E-mail: dave at handytech.us Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna Web site: http://www.handytech.us From jsorozco at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 19:03:25 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:03:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy In-Reply-To: <5A1D8395DEB54E9B92111259FC8F16AB@davidc0a1011d1> Message-ID: <621A62577CDC41239895B954D9C10E4C@Rufus> Will these classes be archived for future Internet browsing? I might be interested in paying for it if they were. Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wright Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB of Illinois Mailing List; iabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy Come to the Mac Academy! Description This 5 day intensive workshop is designed to teach participants how to use the Voiceover screen reader that is installed on every Apple computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating system. Each day will consist of group instruction, time for practice, and personalized one on one instruction. Topics covered include, setting up an Apple computer and using Voiceover out of the box, understanding the various elements, menus, and dialogs encountered within the OS, and the many applications that come pre-installed; word processing, browsing the internet, iTunes, file management and much more. Participants who do not already own an Apple computer will be provided one to use while in class and participants may also purchase a computer as part of the training so that they may take home the computer which they have been working with during the workshop. "Apple is the clear front runner in terms of off the shelf accessibility" states Earle Harrison, President and Founder of Handy Tech North America, "and we are proud to be among the first adaptive technology companies to offer such an in-depth and comprehensive class on this exciting and ever evolving technology." Who should attend? Adaptive technology trainers, vision teachers, technicians and rehabilitation professionals. Any blind or low vision professional or student interested in learning the free Voiceover screen reader included with every Apple Macintosh computer running the Snow Leopard OSX10.6 operating system, with the goal of becoming more competitive with their sighted classmates or co-workers. Time The first Mac Academy is scheduled to take place at the Handy Tech North America training center in Columbia Heights, Minnesota beginning Monday, June 14 until Friday, June 18, 2010. Cost The cost for this event is $1,000.00 per participant (this price does not include travel, lodging or food expenses). Maximum Capacity This class has a maximum capacity of 12 participants. There will be two instructors to ensure quality one on one instruction. Accommodation/Special Group Rate Special room rates are available at the LivINN Suites located less than a mile from the training center. Complimentary transportation from the hotel to the training center will be provided by Handy Tech North America. Participants who choose to stay at a different hotel will be responsible for their own transportation. Questions? As always, please don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North America should you have any questions whatsoever. We look forward to your participation. Phone: 651-636-5184; Email: info at handytech.us. Registration The link below will take you to a page where you can find out more about the hotel and how to register for the class: www.handytech.us/mac_academy_reg.html. Best regards, Dave Wright Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 Mobile: 347-422-7085 Fax: 866-347-8249 E-mail: dave at handytech.us Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna Web site: http://www.handytech.us _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5005 (20100406) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5005 (20100406) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From prenfranz at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 19:19:59 2010 From: prenfranz at gmail.com (Pat Renfranz) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 13:19:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am writing to this list as a mom. I know my kid should be doing the writing, but it's not happening, so here goes: My daughter will be taking Algebra II next year in 9th grade, then she'll move into Pre-calculus for 10th. She's gotten by just fine with relatively low-tech math tools. We are wondering if it would be useful for her to start using an accessible graphing calculator. Does anyone have any practical advice on using one of these programs? I am looking into the Audio Graphing Calculator from ViewPlus and Math Trax from NASA. They both produce an audio signal representing the shape of the function, while the AGC has the advantage of being able to produce tactile graphs on a Tiger embosser. Maybe there are other products available? I’m concerned about training on the software. Did someone teach you to use the software or did you have to teach yourself? I saw that the Carroll Center has a tutorial on the AGC; has anyone tried it? Or did you do ok in advance math without all the bells and whistles? Thanks in advance for any help, Pat From hope.paulos at maine.edu Tue Apr 6 21:51:22 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:51:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others References: <011a01cad500$9ce5c2a0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: I'm on the opposite end of the fence, so to speak. My parents are the exact opposite. They are all for whatever I do. I'm 27 and live with my parents- even after having graduated college. My parents believe that this is *our* house and I have a right to do whatever I want to in it. Obviously I have some rules, like clean up after myself, but I'd have those if I were living on my own. My parents allow me to cook, clean, and do whatever. Sometimes, when I was younger (25 to be exact) I'd ask my parents if I could do something and their response was, "of course. It's *your* home. You don't need to ask us". I guess the best thing to do, to keep peace, is to make a compromise with your parents. Show them that you are capable of doing certain things, but that you might do it in a different way than they do. Hope this helps. Hope and guide dog, Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others > As far as disagreements and the lack of maturity, I think it's common > for parents to approach things in a more united front. To be honest, > I sstill live at home if not in college, but my parents are trying to > let me do things on my own. But since my budget is too small--fifty a > week--I can't manage money and can't do a lot. I don't know what to > do if I work in a vending stand operation. So that's the thing. > Another thing, marriage and dating is a problem because my parents > might get word of one obsession or crush after another. Let's face > it. I just want to live a normal and productive life with a husband > and children and house of my own, but my parents still treat me like a > small child. They have not yet encouraged me or given me any positive > feedback whatsoever about my good points as my old friend Kristen puts > it. Btw, Kristen and I have known each other since fifth grade. So > there I have something to stick with. > Beth > > On 4/5/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived >> these experiences while living at home. >> Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at >> home >> a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one leaves >> home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but >> have >> had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting >> to >> (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked >> for >> you guys? >> I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently >> here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such >> says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our >> home? >> Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers >> always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? Has >> this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating >> larger when having blind kids? >> thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more >> than >> one. >> Gerardo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 23:32:57 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 19:32:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others References: <011a01cad500$9ce5c2a0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <6C0AA58879544C448096230D80809DC6@hometwxakonvzn> Hope, My brother in-law are the same way as your parents. My mother died in November, so in effect, I am pat owner of the house. I have two thirds, and my sister only has a third. But We get along great! I can't waight for my new show on Sunday! On Radio 360, The Abundant life! Hope you'll tune in! Its on from 2-6P.M. go to www.radio360.us Thanks RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others > I'm on the opposite end of the fence, so to speak. My parents are the > exact opposite. They are all for whatever I do. I'm 27 and live with my > parents- even after having graduated college. My parents believe that this > is *our* house and I have a right to do whatever I want to in it. > Obviously I have some rules, like clean up after myself, but I'd have > those if I were living on my own. My parents allow me to cook, clean, and > do whatever. Sometimes, when I was younger (25 to be exact) I'd ask my > parents if I could do something and their response was, "of course. It's > *your* home. You don't need to ask us". I guess the best thing to do, to > keep peace, is to make a compromise with your parents. Show them that you > are capable of doing certain things, but that you might do it in a > different way than they do. > Hope this helps. > Hope and guide dog, Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others > > >> As far as disagreements and the lack of maturity, I think it's common >> for parents to approach things in a more united front. To be honest, >> I sstill live at home if not in college, but my parents are trying to >> let me do things on my own. But since my budget is too small--fifty a >> week--I can't manage money and can't do a lot. I don't know what to >> do if I work in a vending stand operation. So that's the thing. >> Another thing, marriage and dating is a problem because my parents >> might get word of one obsession or crush after another. Let's face >> it. I just want to live a normal and productive life with a husband >> and children and house of my own, but my parents still treat me like a >> small child. They have not yet encouraged me or given me any positive >> feedback whatsoever about my good points as my old friend Kristen puts >> it. Btw, Kristen and I have known each other since fifth grade. So >> there I have something to stick with. >> Beth >> >> On 4/5/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>> Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived >>> these experiences while living at home. >>> Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at >>> home >>> a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one >>> leaves >>> home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but >>> have >>> had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting >>> to >>> (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked >>> for >>> you guys? >>> I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently >>> here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such >>> says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our >>> home? >>> Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers >>> always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? >>> Has >>> this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating >>> larger when having blind kids? >>> thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more >>> than >>> one. >>> Gerardo >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 02:03:00 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 22:03:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy In-Reply-To: <621A62577CDC41239895B954D9C10E4C@Rufus> References: <5A1D8395DEB54E9B92111259FC8F16AB@davidc0a1011d1> <621A62577CDC41239895B954D9C10E4C@Rufus> Message-ID: Hey: I was interested in going until I saw the price and that doesn't even include loding, transporttion and such. I think it's way to expensive...I can teach myself the Mac when I get one, but I may just get an Ipad and use that in conjunction with the Iphone... Just my opinions. Kerri On 4/6/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > Will these classes be archived for future Internet browsing? I might be > interested in paying for it if they were. > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wright > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB of > Illinois Mailing List; iabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy > > Come to the Mac Academy! > Description > This 5 day intensive workshop is designed to teach participants > how to use the Voiceover screen reader that is installed on > every Apple computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating system. > > Each day will consist of group instruction, time for practice, > and personalized one on one instruction. > > Topics covered include, setting up an Apple computer and using > Voiceover out of the box, understanding the various elements, > menus, and dialogs encountered within the OS, and the many > applications that come pre-installed; word processing, browsing > the internet, iTunes, file management and much more. > > Participants who do not already own an Apple computer will be > provided one to use while in class and participants may also > purchase a computer as part of the training so that they may > take home the computer which they have been working with during > the workshop. > > "Apple is the clear front runner in terms of off the shelf > accessibility" states Earle Harrison, President and Founder of > Handy Tech North America, "and we are proud to be among the > first adaptive technology companies to offer such an in-depth > and comprehensive class on this exciting and ever evolving technology." > > Who should attend? > Adaptive technology trainers, vision teachers, technicians and > rehabilitation professionals. Any blind or low vision > professional or student interested in learning the free > Voiceover screen reader included with every Apple Macintosh > computer running the Snow Leopard OSX10.6 operating system, > with the goal of becoming more competitive with their sighted > classmates or co-workers. > > Time > The first Mac Academy is scheduled to take place at the Handy > Tech North America training center in Columbia Heights, > Minnesota beginning Monday, June 14 until Friday, June 18, 2010. > > Cost > The cost for this event is $1,000.00 per participant (this > price does not include travel, lodging or food expenses). > > Maximum Capacity > This class has a maximum capacity of 12 participants. There > will be two instructors to ensure quality one on one instruction. > > Accommodation/Special Group Rate > Special room rates are available at the LivINN Suites located > less than a mile from the training center. Complimentary > transportation from the hotel to the training center will be > provided by Handy Tech North America. Participants who choose > to stay at a different hotel will be responsible for their own > transportation. > > Questions? > As always, please don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North > America should you have any questions whatsoever. We look > forward to your participation. > > Phone: 651-636-5184; Email: info at handytech.us. > > Registration > The link below will take you to a page where you can find out > more about the hotel and how to register for the class: > > www.handytech.us/mac_academy_reg.html. > > > Best regards, > Dave Wright > Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America > > Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 > > Mobile: 347-422-7085 > > Fax: 866-347-8249 > > E-mail: > dave at handytech.us > Follow us on Twitter: > http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna > Web site: > http://www.handytech.us > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5005 (20100406) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 5005 (20100406) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 7 02:07:49 2010 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 21:07:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy References: <621A62577CDC41239895B954D9C10E4C@Rufus> Message-ID: Good evening Joe, We are indeed considering the needs of individuals who might wish to attend from a distance and there has indeed been discussions about recording the training sessions and making them available. I'll let you know more as soon as I know. Regards: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'Dave Wright'" ; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:03 PM Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Mac Academy > Will these classes be archived for future Internet browsing? I might be > interested in paying for it if they were. > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dave Wright > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB of > Illinois Mailing List; iabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy > > Come to the Mac Academy! > Description > This 5 day intensive workshop is designed to teach participants > how to use the Voiceover screen reader that is installed on > every Apple computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating system. > > Each day will consist of group instruction, time for practice, > and personalized one on one instruction. > > Topics covered include, setting up an Apple computer and using > Voiceover out of the box, understanding the various elements, > menus, and dialogs encountered within the OS, and the many > applications that come pre-installed; word processing, browsing > the internet, iTunes, file management and much more. > > Participants who do not already own an Apple computer will be > provided one to use while in class and participants may also > purchase a computer as part of the training so that they may > take home the computer which they have been working with during > the workshop. > > "Apple is the clear front runner in terms of off the shelf > accessibility" states Earle Harrison, President and Founder of > Handy Tech North America, "and we are proud to be among the > first adaptive technology companies to offer such an in-depth > and comprehensive class on this exciting and ever evolving technology." > > Who should attend? > Adaptive technology trainers, vision teachers, technicians and > rehabilitation professionals. Any blind or low vision > professional or student interested in learning the free > Voiceover screen reader included with every Apple Macintosh > computer running the Snow Leopard OSX10.6 operating system, > with the goal of becoming more competitive with their sighted > classmates or co-workers. > > Time > The first Mac Academy is scheduled to take place at the Handy > Tech North America training center in Columbia Heights, > Minnesota beginning Monday, June 14 until Friday, June 18, 2010. > > Cost > The cost for this event is $1,000.00 per participant (this > price does not include travel, lodging or food expenses). > > Maximum Capacity > This class has a maximum capacity of 12 participants. There > will be two instructors to ensure quality one on one instruction. > > Accommodation/Special Group Rate > Special room rates are available at the LivINN Suites located > less than a mile from the training center. Complimentary > transportation from the hotel to the training center will be > provided by Handy Tech North America. Participants who choose > to stay at a different hotel will be responsible for their own > transportation. > > Questions? > As always, please don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North > America should you have any questions whatsoever. We look > forward to your participation. > > Phone: 651-636-5184; Email: info at handytech.us. > > Registration > The link below will take you to a page where you can find out > more about the hotel and how to register for the class: > > www.handytech.us/mac_academy_reg.html. > > > Best regards, > Dave Wright > Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America > > Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 > > Mobile: 347-422-7085 > > Fax: 866-347-8249 > > E-mail: > dave at handytech.us > Follow us on Twitter: > http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna > Web site: > http://www.handytech.us > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5005 (20100406) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5005 (20100406) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 7 02:41:49 2010 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 21:41:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Academy Message-ID: Come to the Mac Academy! Description This 5 day intensive workshop is designed to teach participants how to use the Voiceover screen reader that is installed on every Apple computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating system. Each day will consist of group instruction, time for practice, and personalized one on one instruction. Topics covered include, setting up an Apple computer and using Voiceover out of the box, understanding the various elements, menus, and dialogs encountered within the OS, and the many applications that come pre-installed; word processing, browsing the internet, iTunes, file management and much more. Participants who do not already own an Apple computer will be provided one to use while in class and participants may also purchase a computer as part of the training so that they may take home the computer which they have been working with during the workshop. "Apple is the clear front runner in terms of off the shelf accessibility" states Earle Harrison, President and Founder of Handy Tech North America, "and we are proud to be among the first adaptive technology companies to offer such an in-depth and comprehensive class on this exciting and ever evolving technology." Who should attend? Adaptive technology trainers, vision teachers, technicians and rehabilitation professionals. Any blind or low vision professional or student interested in learning the free Voiceover screen reader included with every Apple Macintosh computer running the Snow Leopard OSX10.6 operating system, with the goal of becoming more competitive with their sighted classmates or co-workers. Time The first Mac Academy is scheduled to take place at the Handy Tech North America training center in Columbia Heights, Minnesota beginning Monday, June 14 until Friday, June 18, 2010. Cost The cost for this event is $1,000.00 per participant (this price does not include travel, lodging or food expenses). Maximum Capacity This class has a maximum capacity of 12 participants. There will be two instructors to ensure quality one on one instruction. Accommodation/Special Group Rate Special room rates are available at the LivINN Suites located less than a mile from the training center. Complimentary transportation from the hotel to the training center will be provided by Handy Tech North America. Participants who choose to stay at a different hotel will be responsible for their own transportation. Questions? As always, please don't hesitate to contact Handy Tech North America should you have any questions whatsoever. We look forward to your participation. Phone: 651-636-5184; Email: info at handytech.us. Registration The link below will take you to a page where you can find out more about the hotel and how to register for the class: www.handytech.us/mac_academy_reg.html. Best regards, Dave Wright Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 Mobile: 347-422-7085 Fax: 866-347-8249 E-mail: dave at handytech.us Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna Web site: http://www.handytech.us From corbbo at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 04:37:01 2010 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 00:37:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] mailing submission In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F44839C-870D-4FC2-B8AA-D2FB06A60803@gmail.com> July, not June! And yes, 3-8. On Apr 4, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Justin Young wrote: the conference is June 3-8, right? Just checking/confirming thanks On 4/4/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Maria and all, > > Thank you for submitting this announcement. At the beginning of June I > will send out a bulletin exclusively dedicated to convention > announcements, and I will include your submission then. I will remind > the rest of you next month, but if you are heading convention events > that you think might be of interest to students, please send me the > announcements before June 1 and I will publish them in early June. > > Arielle > > On 4/2/10, Maria Hernandez wrote: >> Hey, >> Please post this in the next mailing. >> Are you a dancer? Are you NOT a dancer? Are you willing to learn >> something new and have fun? Then come to Salsa Dance lessons and >> Latin >> Dance Party at our Convention in Dallas!! Come and get into the >> rhythm of >> the >> convention, learn to dance the Salsa and dance the night away! Bring >> your partner or find one here. Group and individual instruction will >> be provided at any level of proficiency. Please come and support this >> fundraising event for the Spanish Translation Committee. There will >> be >> a $5 charge at the door. We are planning this event for Saturday >> evening from 7:30-11:00. >> Check the agenda for the exact time and place. Have >> a special song request? Send it to Conchita Hernandez >> hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com >> >> -- >> Conchita Hernandez >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Wed Apr 7 12:15:37 2010 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Dave Wright) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 07:15:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Purchase any Handy Tech Braille Display and receive admition to The Mac Academy for Free! Message-ID: <30D61166FFAA4405B3B8441BFEAB9E99@davidc0a1011d1> Handy Tech North America is now offering an in-depth 5-day workshop on how to use the Voiceover screen reader that ships with every Apple Macintosh computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating system. The first workshop is scheduled to begin June 14, 2010 and we intend to schedule several more of these workshops around the United States and at the Handy Tech North America training center. As an added incentive for our Braille display customers, Handy Tech North America is now offering free admission to the Mac Academy with the purchase of any Handy Tech Braille display. This is a $1,000 value and it is being extended indefinitely. In another recent promotion, Handy Tech North America announced the availability of a free Mac mini with the purchase of an Easy Braille portable display. This promotion ends April 15, 2010. Recognizing that not everybody wishes to have an Apple Macintosh computer, we are offering a comparable PC option under the same terms. However, for those who wish to learn how to use the Voiceover screen reader that comes with every Macintosh computer running the Snow Leopard operating system, this deal is extra sweet for you because you also qualify for the free Mac Academy workshop. That's right, not only will you be purchasing one of the best quality portable Braille displays in the world, but you will also get a Free Mac mini computer (upgradable) and we will spend 5 days teaching you how to use it. For more information on this and other extraordinary offerings from Handy Tech North America, please call: 651-636-5184 or send e-mail to: info at handytech.us If you aren't interested in purchasing a Handy Tech Braille display, but would like to register for the Mac Academy workshop, you may do so at: http://www.handytech.us/mac_academy_reg.html Handy Tech North America is proud to be a value add reseller of Handy Tech and Apple products. * end of content * -----Original Message----- From: Handy Tech Information [mailto:info at handytech.us] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 2:40 PM To: Britta Beeck Cc: Handy Tech Sales Subject: Purchase any Handy Tech Braille Display and receive admition to The Mac Academy for Free! Britta, Pleaseì post the following to the what's new area of the home page and schedule the e-mail blast ASAP Copy starts here: Handy Tech North America is now offering an in-depth 5 day workshop on how to use the Voiceover screen reader that ships with every Apple Macintosh computer running the OSX10.6 Snow Leopard operating System. The first workshop is scheduled to begin June 14, 2010 and we intend to schedule several more of these workshops around the United States and at the Handy Tech North America training center. As an aded incentive for our Braille display customers, Handy Tech North America is now offering free admission to the Mac Academy with the purchase of any Handy Tech Braille display. This is a $1,000 value and it is being extended indefinitely. In another recent promotion, Handy Tech North America announced the availability of a free Mac Minnie with the purchase of an Easy Braille portable display. This promotion ends April 15, 2010. Recognizing that not everybody wishes to have an Apple Macintosh computer, we are offering a comparable PC option under the same terms. However, for those who wish to learn how to use the Voiceover screen reader that comes with every Macintosh computer running the Snow Leopard operating system, this deal is extra sweet for you because you also qualify for the free Mac Academy workshop. That's right, not only will you be purchasing one of the best quality portable Braille displays in the world, but you will also get a Free Mac Minnie computer (upgradable) and we will spend 5 days teaching you how to use it. For more information on this and other extraordinary offerings from Handy Tech North America, please call: 651-636-5184 or send e-mail to: info at handytech.us If you aren't interested in purchasing a Handy Tech Braille display, but would like to register for the Mac Academy workshop, you may do so at: http://www.handytech.us Handy Tech North America is proud to be a value add reseller of Handy Tech and Apple products Best regards, Dave Wright Regional Sales Manager- Handy Tech North America Phone: 651-636-5184 X803 Mobile: 347-422-7085 Fax: 866-347-8249 E-mail: dave at handytech.us Follow us on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/handytechhtna Web site: http://www.handytech.us From trillian551 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 13:28:08 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 09:28:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Pat. In high school I got as far as calculus in my junior year. I was very low tech. I had a braille note, which does all relevant calculations, and I used wicki sticks and braille graph paper for graphing. I had my book in braille, so I knew what the graphs should look like, and so reproducing them never presented a problem. I think that it is definitely a personal choice. I would suggest downloading math tracks and having your daughter play around with it to see if it is actually helpful or not. I'm a very tactile learner, so while hearing the curve was interesting, for me, it was better to take out my little wicki sticks and feeling it on paper. So, just take the resources you have, and her learning style and see what works best. Finally, I hope that we hear from her directly next time so that we know what her personal perspectives and preferences are. Sincerely, Mary F. On 4/6/10, Pat Renfranz wrote: > Hi everyone, > I am writing to this list as a mom. I know my kid should be doing the > writing, but it's not happening, so here goes: > > My daughter will be taking Algebra II next year in 9th grade, then > she'll move into Pre-calculus for 10th. She's gotten by just fine with > relatively low-tech math tools. We are wondering if it would be useful > for her to start using an accessible graphing calculator. Does anyone > have any practical advice on using one of these programs? I am looking > into the Audio Graphing Calculator from ViewPlus and Math Trax from > NASA. They both produce an audio signal representing the shape of the > function, while the AGC has the advantage of being able to produce > tactile graphs on a Tiger embosser. Maybe there are other products > available? > > I’m concerned about training on the software. Did someone teach you to > use the software or did you have to teach yourself? I saw that the > Carroll Center has a tutorial on the AGC; has anyone tried it? > > Or did you do ok in advance math without all the bells and whistles? > > Thanks in advance for any help, > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 15:23:09 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 11:23:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there, I don't have any answers about the graphic calculator, other than that I found a graphic calculator essential in Algebra 2. I was sighted at the time, so I don't know about accessible graphic calculators, but it'll be very important in Algebra 2 and Calculus. The fact that she's gotten along without high tech in math is great, and you should be proud of her for it. I remember using a graphic calculator in Algebra 1 and Geometry and wondering where I'd be without it (of course, that was partly because of the Frogger and Pac-Man games that kept me busy while everyone was still working without getting me in trouble for taking out a book or other game...). Definitely look into a graphic calculator, though. The one you mentioned that makes graphics with a Tiger Embosser sounds like a great thing; sometimes it doesn't matter how much you hear something, you really need to *see* it, whether with eyes or fingers. I know that personally, because I am a very visual/tactile learner. Of course for me now, visual learning means tactilely loking at things, graphics, and books, but it's still "visual" to me. I see with my fingers, not my eyes. Anyway, may I suggest asking further on the NFB Science list as well? If you want, I can forward your question to them. They would likely have some good idea of the use of graphic calculators, as they are essential tools in advanced science. ~Jewel On 4/7/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hello Pat. > In high school I got as far as calculus in my junior year. I was very > low tech. I had a braille note, which does all relevant calculations, > and I used wicki sticks and braille graph paper for graphing. I had my > book in braille, so I knew what the graphs should look like, and so > reproducing them never presented a problem. I think that it is > definitely a personal choice. I would suggest downloading math tracks > and having your daughter play around with it to see if it is actually > helpful or not. I'm a very tactile learner, so while hearing the curve > was interesting, for me, it was better to take out my little wicki > sticks and feeling it on paper. So, just take the resources you have, > and her learning style and see what works best. Finally, I hope that > we hear from her directly next time so that we know what her personal > perspectives and preferences are. > Sincerely, > Mary F. > > On 4/6/10, Pat Renfranz wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> I am writing to this list as a mom. I know my kid should be doing the >> writing, but it's not happening, so here goes: >> >> My daughter will be taking Algebra II next year in 9th grade, then >> she'll move into Pre-calculus for 10th. She's gotten by just fine with >> relatively low-tech math tools. We are wondering if it would be useful >> for her to start using an accessible graphing calculator. Does anyone >> have any practical advice on using one of these programs? I am looking >> into the Audio Graphing Calculator from ViewPlus and Math Trax from >> NASA. They both produce an audio signal representing the shape of the >> function, while the AGC has the advantage of being able to produce >> tactile graphs on a Tiger embosser. Maybe there are other products >> available? >> >> I’m concerned about training on the software. Did someone teach you to >> use the software or did you have to teach yourself? I saw that the >> Carroll Center has a tutorial on the AGC; has anyone tried it? >> >> Or did you do ok in advance math without all the bells and whistles? >> >> Thanks in advance for any help, >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From dlawless86 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 15:32:18 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:32:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others In-Reply-To: <6C0AA58879544C448096230D80809DC6@hometwxakonvzn> References: <011a01cad500$9ce5c2a0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> <6C0AA58879544C448096230D80809DC6@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Hello Gerardo and listers, I think that part of the problem you're facing is cultural. Many cultures view people with disabilities a lot differently than most of us do in the U.S. When I was in China for a service project people would bend over backwards to help me or to try and do things for me. Part of it was that they were trying to be hospitable and they wanted me to leave China having had a good experience. They also hadn't seen many independent blind people and I think they were afraid that I would hurt myself or something. I would like to think that I left China having altered some people's perceptions of blind people. I also have many friends from China and they tell me that whether they are blind or sighted they are expected to live at home until they are married. Your mother also plays a part in your situation. She may be reluctant to let you do things because you are blind but she may also be over protective of you because you are her son. I remember talking to my mother about this. She told me that it is a mother's nature to worry about her children whether they have disabilities or not. She also said that because they worry they always have an urge to step in and take over. My mom has been great about my blindness. She has always had a tendancy to be over protective but she has really worked hard to step back and let me live my own life. I think it helped that she has served two tours in Iraq and while she was gone I didn't burn my house down, get hit by a car, or had something else happen to me. I like what other people said about trying to find a comprimise. Maybe you can find a way to show your mom that you're capable of being independent and safe. Maybe you can show her some NFB literature and explain to her that there are blind people all over the US and in other countries that live normally. I can't think of anything else without knowing more about your situation. Just remember to keep communicating and try to stay as calm as possible. If you get really upset during a conversation she'll be less likely to take you seriously then if you stayed calm. I hope this helps. Best Wishes, Domonique On 4/6/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: > Hope, My brother in-law are the same way as your parents. My mother died in > November, so in effect, I am pat owner of the house. I have two thirds, and > my sister only has a third. But We get along great! I can't waight for my > new show on Sunday! On Radio 360, The Abundant life! Hope you'll tune in! > Its on from 2-6P.M. go to www.radio360.us > Thanks RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others > > >> I'm on the opposite end of the fence, so to speak. My parents are the >> exact opposite. They are all for whatever I do. I'm 27 and live with my >> parents- even after having graduated college. My parents believe that this >> >> is *our* house and I have a right to do whatever I want to in it. >> Obviously I have some rules, like clean up after myself, but I'd have >> those if I were living on my own. My parents allow me to cook, clean, and >> >> do whatever. Sometimes, when I was younger (25 to be exact) I'd ask my >> parents if I could do something and their response was, "of course. It's >> *your* home. You don't need to ask us". I guess the best thing to do, to >> keep peace, is to make a compromise with your parents. Show them that you >> >> are capable of doing certain things, but that you might do it in a >> different way than they do. >> Hope this helps. >> Hope and guide dog, Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 5:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disagreeing with mother and others >> >> >>> As far as disagreements and the lack of maturity, I think it's common >>> for parents to approach things in a more united front. To be honest, >>> I sstill live at home if not in college, but my parents are trying to >>> let me do things on my own. But since my budget is too small--fifty a >>> week--I can't manage money and can't do a lot. I don't know what to >>> do if I work in a vending stand operation. So that's the thing. >>> Another thing, marriage and dating is a problem because my parents >>> might get word of one obsession or crush after another. Let's face >>> it. I just want to live a normal and productive life with a husband >>> and children and house of my own, but my parents still treat me like a >>> small child. They have not yet encouraged me or given me any positive >>> feedback whatsoever about my good points as my old friend Kristen puts >>> it. Btw, Kristen and I have known each other since fifth grade. So >>> there I have something to stick with. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 4/5/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>>> Hi guys: I send this not to have pity but in case some of you have lived >>>> these experiences while living at home. >>>> Here in Mexico (especially for blind and disabled people) one lives at >>>> home >>>> a few more years than normal, not like you guys in the US that one >>>> leaves >>>> home upon going to college. I've completed my major and am working but >>>> have >>>> had some problems here at home, especially with my mother and am wanting >>>> >>>> to >>>> (apart from someday living on my own) what tips and tricks have worked >>>> for >>>> you guys? >>>> I'm disagreeing on certain things that I feel should be done differently >>>> here at home. My mother wen telling her I don't agree with such and such >>>> says that this is my home! where is the limit between her home and our >>>> home? >>>> Where is the limit when we the kids can give oppinions? Why do mothers >>>> always say we won't mature and that we're acting like small children? >>>> Has >>>> this happened to you guys? and lastly is the rate of parents separating >>>> larger when having blind kids? >>>> thanks in advanced for any ideas and surely this topic will enrich more >>>> than >>>> one. >>>> Gerardo >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From agrima at nbp.org Wed Apr 7 18:03:09 2010 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:03:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Hailstones... available in eBraille! Message-ID: Hello - here's a book announcement from National Braille Press. Thanks, Tony Grima, NBP Thanks to a wonderful customer suggestion, you can now read "Hailstones and Halibut Bones" as an eBraille download! (The print/braille book is also still available, of course.) Mary O'Neill's unique book is about colors that can be heard, touched, and smelled. Originally published in 1961, it has become a classic, at twice the length of most children's books. O'Neill explores 12 different colors in 12 poems. Each series of poems relates to a color, "What Is Green," "What Is Gold... Red... Blue," and so forth. Blue is a heron, a sapphire ring, You can smell blue in many a thing: Gentian and larkspur, Forget-me-nots, too. And if you listen, you can hear blue In wind over water.... "After more than twenty-five years, the poems, like colors, still sing. Kudos to Doubleday for letting Hailstones continue to live." - School Library Journal Hailstones and Halibut Bones Print/braille edition OR downloadable eBraille edition, $9.95 In contracted braille Ages 8 and up Order either version of this book at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1003-HAILSTONE.html From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 18:33:20 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:33:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Pat, I took calculus in high school and went on to pursue statistics as one of my majors in college, which involved a few more advanced math courses. Like mary I was fairly low-tech; I completed all my coursework using my Braille Note and A Perkins brailler (for more complex calculations) with the help of a talking scientific calculator. As I was fortunate to have all my math books in braille, I was able to feel the graphics and reproduce them tactilely. I did purchase a copy of the AGC through my state rehab agency when I started college, although I had to teach myself as no assistive technology trainer in my area was familiar with the software. It was relatively intuitive and I found it useful for certain things (locating zeros of a higher-order polynomial function, etc.), but as a tactile learner I did not find the audio graphing output very informative. A Tiger embosser would make the software a lot more useful, I believe, but it is very expensive and out of the price range of most schools and agencies. I have never used MathTrax, but since it is free I would suggest for your daughter to download and play with it to see whether it is helpful and whether it is worthwhile to invest in a copy of the AGC. I think the best solution will probably depend a lot on her personal learning style and preferences. Best of luck to both of you, and feel free to have her contact me directly if she has any questions about handling advanced math classes! Katie On 4/7/10, Jewel S. wrote: > Hi there, > > I don't have any answers about the graphic calculator, other than that > I found a graphic calculator essential in Algebra 2. I was sighted at > the time, so I don't know about accessible graphic calculators, but > it'll be very important in Algebra 2 and Calculus. The fact that she's > gotten along without high tech in math is great, and you should be > proud of her for it. I remember using a graphic calculator in Algebra > 1 and Geometry and wondering where I'd be without it (of course, that > was partly because of the Frogger and Pac-Man games that kept me busy > while everyone was still working without getting me in trouble for > taking out a book or other game...). > > Definitely look into a graphic calculator, though. The one you > mentioned that makes graphics with a Tiger Embosser sounds like a > great thing; sometimes it doesn't matter how much you hear something, > you really need to *see* it, whether with eyes or fingers. I know that > personally, because I am a very visual/tactile learner. Of course for > me now, visual learning means tactilely loking at things, graphics, > and books, but it's still "visual" to me. I see with my fingers, not > my eyes. > > Anyway, may I suggest asking further on the NFB Science list as well? > If you want, I can forward your question to them. They would likely > have some good idea of the use of graphic calculators, as they are > essential tools in advanced science. > > ~Jewel > > On 4/7/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> Hello Pat. >> In high school I got as far as calculus in my junior year. I was very >> low tech. I had a braille note, which does all relevant calculations, >> and I used wicki sticks and braille graph paper for graphing. I had my >> book in braille, so I knew what the graphs should look like, and so >> reproducing them never presented a problem. I think that it is >> definitely a personal choice. I would suggest downloading math tracks >> and having your daughter play around with it to see if it is actually >> helpful or not. I'm a very tactile learner, so while hearing the curve >> was interesting, for me, it was better to take out my little wicki >> sticks and feeling it on paper. So, just take the resources you have, >> and her learning style and see what works best. Finally, I hope that >> we hear from her directly next time so that we know what her personal >> perspectives and preferences are. >> Sincerely, >> Mary F. >> >> On 4/6/10, Pat Renfranz wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> I am writing to this list as a mom. I know my kid should be doing the >>> writing, but it's not happening, so here goes: >>> >>> My daughter will be taking Algebra II next year in 9th grade, then >>> she'll move into Pre-calculus for 10th. She's gotten by just fine with >>> relatively low-tech math tools. We are wondering if it would be useful >>> for her to start using an accessible graphing calculator. Does anyone >>> have any practical advice on using one of these programs? I am looking >>> into the Audio Graphing Calculator from ViewPlus and Math Trax from >>> NASA. They both produce an audio signal representing the shape of the >>> function, while the AGC has the advantage of being able to produce >>> tactile graphs on a Tiger embosser. Maybe there are other products >>> available? >>> >>> I’m concerned about training on the software. Did someone teach you to >>> use the software or did you have to teach yourself? I saw that the >>> Carroll Center has a tutorial on the AGC; has anyone tried it? >>> >>> Or did you do ok in advance math without all the bells and whistles? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any help, >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From matthew.janusauskas at humanware.com Wed Apr 7 21:24:20 2010 From: matthew.janusauskas at humanware.com (Matthew Janusauskas) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 16:24:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] KeySoft 9.01 is now available in English and French Message-ID: KeySoft 9.01 is now available in English and French Humanware is pleased to release KeySoft version 9.01, the first software maintenance update for the BrailleNote Apex. These revisions to KeySoft are available to current BrailleNote Apex and KeySoft 9.0 users at no charge and do not utilize an SMA count. The version can be downloaded from our Web site at: www.humanware.com/braillenote_support. With Version 9.01, the BrailleNote Apex is also now available in French for France and French Canadian markets. Version 9.01 is a software maintenance release. It contains many improvements and fixes such as: * Web browser: better support of pop-up dialogs such as the security dialogs found when downloading from NLS web Braille site. * Improved Wi-Fi connection. KeySoft now announces if a page is not found or if a connection is not established using Wi-Fi. * LAN and WLAN MAC addresses are available in the information menu. * USB to IEEE-1284 parallel adapter are supported in this version. A recommended adapter is available from Cables to GO http://www.cablestogo.com/ . Product code is #16898. * Spanish Eloquence is now supported. It is now possible to read books in Spanish from Bookshare. * Dictionaries: updated User Guide available directly in the Oxford folder. For an extensive list of improvements, please refer to the Release Notes document, posted in our web site at: http://www.humanware.com/en-canada/support/braillenote_apex/software. We encourage existing Apex users to take advantage of these free improvements, as the Development Team continues to work on implementing exciting features and improvements for a new KeySoft release coming in 2010. Please contact your regional Humanware office in the USA, Canada, UK, New Zealand and Australia for more information. USA: 1 800 722-3393 UK/Europe: +44 1933 415 800 Canada: 1 888 723-7273 Australia/Asia: +61 2 9686 2600 New Zealand: +64 3 384 4555 To keep up to date with the BrailleNote family, sign up for the Newswire at: www.humanware.com/braillenote or www.humanware.com/braillenote_support . _______________________________________________ BNannounce mailing list BNannounce at list.humanware.com http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/bnannounce From mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Wed Apr 7 23:09:01 2010 From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org (Maryann Migliorelli) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:09:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003f01cad6a7$4ffe0350$effa09f0$@org> Hi Pat, When I took higher math none of these new gadgets were even around. I got through the courses just fine, but I will say that I did have Braille for my texts and did all of my graphing by hand like the rest of my classmates did. I'll have to be taking math again for some college classes though. I'll be interested in what comes out of the list about them. Respectfully, Maryann Migliorelli From mikaelastevens at cableone.net Wed Apr 7 23:16:27 2010 From: mikaelastevens at cableone.net (Mikaela Stevens) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:16:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question Message-ID: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> Hello, I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious when I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and I have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells me if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, rather because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel better about myself because I know I look my best. My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not ask a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. Sincerely, Mikaela Stevens From mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Wed Apr 7 23:20:53 2010 From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org (Maryann Migliorelli) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 17:20:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NLS Talking Book Player Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004c01cad6a8$f7bc19f0$e7344dd0$@org> Hi Jewel, I'm sorry I haven't seen the listmail recently enough for a timely response to your question, but it bares giving in any case. You can certainly put more than one book on your drive. You just need to place each one in its own folder so that the files don't get written over. I just put each folder in the route directory to make everything easier. Here's hoping this answer might help someone. Regards, Maryann Migliorelli From lilrichie411 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 23:52:07 2010 From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 18:52:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] KeySoft 9.01 is now available in English and French In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is this available for the mPowers as well? Jordan 2nd VP, MnABS On 07/04/2010, Matthew Janusauskas wrote: > > KeySoft 9.01 is now available in English and French > > Humanware is pleased to release KeySoft version 9.01, the first software > maintenance update for the BrailleNote Apex. These revisions to KeySoft > are available to current BrailleNote Apex and KeySoft 9.0 users at no > charge and do not utilize an SMA count. The version can be downloaded > from our Web site at: www.humanware.com/braillenote_support. > > With Version 9.01, the BrailleNote Apex is also now available in French > for France and French Canadian markets. > > Version 9.01 is a software maintenance release. It contains many > improvements and fixes such as: > * Web browser: better support of pop-up dialogs such as the > security dialogs found when downloading from NLS web Braille site. > * Improved Wi-Fi connection. KeySoft now announces if a page is > not found or if a connection is not established using Wi-Fi. > * LAN and WLAN MAC addresses are available in the information > menu. > * USB to IEEE-1284 parallel adapter are supported in this version. > A recommended adapter is available from Cables to GO > http://www.cablestogo.com/ . Product code is #16898. > * Spanish Eloquence is now supported. It is now possible to read > books in Spanish from Bookshare. > * Dictionaries: updated User Guide available directly in the > Oxford folder. > > For an extensive list of improvements, please refer to the Release Notes > document, posted in our web site at: > http://www.humanware.com/en-canada/support/braillenote_apex/software. > > We encourage existing Apex users to take advantage of these free > improvements, > as the Development Team continues to work on implementing exciting > features and improvements for a new KeySoft release coming in 2010. > > Please contact your regional Humanware office in the USA, Canada, UK, > New Zealand and Australia for more information. > > USA: 1 800 722-3393 > UK/Europe: +44 1933 415 800 > Canada: 1 888 723-7273 > Australia/Asia: +61 2 9686 2600 > New Zealand: +64 3 384 4555 > > To keep up to date with the BrailleNote family, sign up for the Newswire > at: www.humanware.com/braillenote or > www.humanware.com/braillenote_support . > > _______________________________________________ > BNannounce mailing list > BNannounce at list.humanware.com > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/bnannounce > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilrichie411%40gmail.com > -- Jordan Richardson 2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students lilrichie411 at gmail.com "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 00:48:52 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:48:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> Message-ID: <1F68B37ECCAD41319BE9ECC29D900FF9@hometwxakonvzn> Dear Makila, I'm RJ, I don't understand your question. My skype name is rj.sandefur From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Thu Apr 8 01:38:11 2010 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:38:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> Message-ID: <001101cad6bc$27f5b410$77e11c30$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Hi Mikaela, I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some insight (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. Talk soon, Sarah P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp on this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikaela Stevens Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question Hello, I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious when I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and I have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells me if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, rather because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel better about myself because I know I look my best. My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not ask a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. Sincerely, Mikaela Stevens _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From kc2992a at student.american.edu Thu Apr 8 02:00:14 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 22:00:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi Mikaela, I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I wear some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to apply it. I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually right up against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics store, or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your skin tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make the stuff look good, even if you could see. For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to make the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, like a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, and applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed to be. i hope this helps! Kate On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar wrote: > Hi Mikaela, > I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your > question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some insight > (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. > Talk soon, > Sarah > P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp on > this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Mikaela Stevens > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question > > Hello, > > > > I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious when > I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is > really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's > just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. > > > > I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and > I > have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and > professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells > me > if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, > rather > because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted > sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel > better about myself because I know I look my best. > > > > My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you > are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not ask > a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some > non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? > > > > Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mikaela Stevens > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > ronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL American University 631 521 3018 From trillian551 at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 13:32:23 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:32:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hey All, I love the mascara tip! I'm totally blind, and my mother is a hair stylist, so she would actually yell at me if I walked out of the house without at least some lipstick and a little bit of blush. But here are the musts in order to start on the right foot. 1. Like Kate said, the first step is to go to a department store and get the right shades of foundation and blush. If you look orange, that means your foundation isn't the right color. 2. For actual application of foundation, I use a powder puff. The key is really to cover your face evenly. So for example start on your lower right cheek, right next to your mouth, and just move up slowly and evenly. After you reach the top of that side you probablly want to go in for a little more foundation. Make sure to shake the puff lightly against the container so that you get any extra powder off. And then do the same for the other side. After your done, I would grab a tissue and just lightly go around my face so that any uneven spots, or clusters of powder are taken care off. 3. Blush is easy, just smile, and feel the apple of your cheek. You don't want to go any further than that, and again, use the tissue at the end. 4. I usually don't use mascara but Kate's idea is awesome. 5. I apply eye shadow with my fingers. So just swipe your fingers on it like twice, and close your eye, go from the inside, the side closest to your nose, out. Then go back and make sure it's spread evenly by simply retracing the area twice. 6. Eye liner is a bit more challenging. But first start by tracing the underside of your eye carefully, and gently until you memorize the contours. Then practice with liner. This one takes practice and the first few times have one of your sisters, or someone tell you where you got off. And lipstick is the easiest. Also keep in mind that there are different options for makeup now. For instance, you can buy foundation in a cream form, which might be easier to apply. Lastly, if you are sisters are awesome enough to do your makeup for you, have a girl day with them, and have them help you improve rather than doing it for you. A lot of times, what sighted people do when applying makeup is the same for us, except with a few adjustments. So ask them, what do you do when the foundation is uneven, and have them show you and voila, that is what you have to do. Hope this helps. mary On 4/7/10, Katy Carroll wrote: > Hi Mikaela, > > I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I wear > some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to apply it. > I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually right up > against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. > > Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics store, > or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics > professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your skin > tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make the > stuff look good, even if you could see. > > For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. > > For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to make > the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. > > Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, like > a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, and > applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that > there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed to be. > > i hope this helps! > > Kate > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar > wrote: > >> Hi Mikaela, >> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your >> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some insight >> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. >> Talk soon, >> Sarah >> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp on >> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Mikaela Stevens >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious >> when >> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is >> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's >> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >> >> >> >> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and >> I >> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells >> me >> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >> rather >> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted >> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel >> better about myself because I know I look my best. >> >> >> >> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you >> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not >> ask >> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some >> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Mikaela Stevens >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >> ronto.ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >> > > > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > American University > 631 521 3018 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From brileyp at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 14:47:51 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:47:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <83952819-E170-44A1-8016-DE4F653E89AA@gmail.com> Hi all! I don't use any vision to apply makeup, and it works out great. I learned by going to my makeup counter, and having them pick colors to compliment my skin. Then, they showed me how to apply it, then before I left, we took the makeup off and I'd reapply it to make sure it looked right. Really, the secret is blending, and this can be done easily with the right brush and practice. Liquid foundation is great because you have more tactile feedback, but powder is doable too. I like eye shadows that are cream or applied with a stick, kind of like a lip gloss roller. The only thing I have a time with is mascara, but that seems to be easy for a lot of my blind friends, so I think that is because my eyes are small. Hope this helps. I don't think your question was lame at all. It can be a challenge to figure it out at first, but it is important, especially in professional situations. Plus it is really fun once you get into it. BrileyOn Apr 7, 2010, at 9:00 PM, Katy Carroll wrote: > Hi Mikaela, > > I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I wear > some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to apply it. > I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually right up > against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. > > Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics store, > or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics > professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your skin > tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make the > stuff look good, even if you could see. > > For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. > > For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to make > the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. > > Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, like > a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, and > applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that > there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed to be. > > i hope this helps! > > Kate > > > > > On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar > wrote: > >> Hi Mikaela, >> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your >> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some insight >> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. >> Talk soon, >> Sarah >> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp on >> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Mikaela Stevens >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious when >> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is >> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's >> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >> >> >> >> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and >> I >> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells >> me >> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >> rather >> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted >> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel >> better about myself because I know I look my best. >> >> >> >> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you >> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not ask >> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some >> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Mikaela Stevens >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >> ronto.ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >> > > > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > American University > 631 521 3018 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From brileyp at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 14:50:19 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 09:50:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> Message-ID: <23DCD361-2B93-42CA-8993-6C8BD1B7C639@gmail.com> Also, I'd be happy to give more detailed techniques for application if you want, but it really is a huge confidence builder going to a makeup counter and working with someone one on one. Mac does consultations, as well as most of the counters in department stores. That is all, Briley On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Mikaela Stevens wrote: > Hello, > > > > I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious when I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. > > > > I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and I have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells me if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, rather because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel better about myself because I know I look my best. > > > > My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not ask a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? > > > > Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Mikaela Stevens > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 16:16:36 2010 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 12:16:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: <23DCD361-2B93-42CA-8993-6C8BD1B7C639@gmail.com> References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <23DCD361-2B93-42CA-8993-6C8BD1B7C639@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think some good advice has been given already. What i have found, and certainly others might have different opinions, but better quality make up goes on more easily for me. I decided to use Mary Kay, and one of the reasons i went with it is that i can call my consultant with any questions i have. Unlike a department store, i can always call her, but i understand some of you might not have that option, but it might be a good idea if your friends and family aren't good at giving advice or not available. I really like Mary Kay products. They have some things that are really easy to apply such as a powder and foundation that does not require blending and a foundation brush where all of the bristles are the same length instead of the traditional ones that have longer bristles which might not make sense, but it makes it easier. It just depends on who you are. I am the kind of person who does not want to spend a lot of time putting on make up, but you can do whatever. Don't try to learn everything at once. Start with a few things, and gradually add more make up as you become more comfortable with it. I know that when you don't wear it, it seems like everyone is being unrealistic when they say things like, it will get really easy, and you can judge by how it feels on your face, but it really is true, and once you get it, applying it will be mindless. Cindy On 4/8/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > Also, I'd be happy to give more detailed techniques for application if you > want, but it really is a huge confidence builder going to a makeup counter > and working with someone one on one. Mac does consultations, as well as most > of the counters in department stores. > > > That is all, > Briley > On Apr 7, 2010, at 6:16 PM, Mikaela Stevens wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >> >> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious >> when I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question >> is really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; >> it's just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >> >> >> >> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and >> I have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells >> me if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >> rather because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my >> sighted sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I >> feel better about myself because I know I look my best. >> >> >> >> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you >> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not >> ask a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there >> some non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >> >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> >> Mikaela Stevens >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From brileyp at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 19:58:32 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:58:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <063D28E6-1AC5-4D45-B462-BE8C121280FD@gmail.com> Also remember that you can learn how to apply multiple colors on your eyes with a little direction. For example, I have small eyes, so I want to put a lighter color in the outer corners, and a darker color on my lid, whereas people with larger eyes can do darker colors in the outer corners to achieve the smoky eye look. Also, Prescriptives and Clinique have blush brushes which help to apply it perfectly on each cheek. Eye liner is not too hard. It is hard to explain without showing you all, but if you close the eye slightly and pull it out from the outer edge to form more of a straight line to follow, you can apply with the other hand. The right makeup is key for any of this, but it can be really fun. Briley On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hey All, > I love the mascara tip! I'm totally blind, and my mother is a hair > stylist, so she would actually yell at me if I walked out of the > house without at least some lipstick and a little bit of blush. But > here are the musts in order to start on the right foot. > 1. Like Kate said, the first step is to go to a department store and > get the right shades of foundation and blush. If you look orange, that > means your foundation isn't the right color. > 2. For actual application of foundation, I use a powder puff. The key > is really to cover your face evenly. So for example start on your > lower right cheek, right next to your mouth, and just move up slowly > and evenly. After you reach the top of that side you probablly want to > go in for a little more foundation. Make sure to shake the puff > lightly against the container so that you get any extra powder off. > And then do the same for the other side. After your done, I would > grab a tissue and just lightly go around my face so that any uneven > spots, or clusters of powder are taken care off. > 3. Blush is easy, just smile, and feel the apple of your cheek. You > don't want to go any further than that, and again, use the tissue at > the end. > 4. I usually don't use mascara but Kate's idea is awesome. > 5. I apply eye shadow with my fingers. So just swipe your fingers on > it like twice, and close your eye, go from the inside, the side > closest to your nose, out. Then go back and make sure it's spread > evenly by simply retracing the area twice. > 6. Eye liner is a bit more challenging. But first start by tracing the > underside of your eye carefully, and gently until you memorize the > contours. Then practice with liner. This one takes practice and the > first few times have one of your sisters, or someone tell you where > you got off. > And lipstick is the easiest. > > Also keep in mind that there are different options for makeup now. For > instance, you can buy foundation in a cream form, which might be > easier to apply. Lastly, if you are sisters are awesome enough to do > your makeup for you, have a girl day with them, and have them help you > improve rather than doing it for you. A lot of times, what sighted > people do when applying makeup is the same for us, except with a few > adjustments. So ask them, what do you do when the foundation is > uneven, and have them show you and voila, that is what you have to do. > Hope this helps. > mary > > > On 4/7/10, Katy Carroll wrote: >> Hi Mikaela, >> >> I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I wear >> some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to apply it. >> I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually right up >> against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. >> >> Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics store, >> or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics >> professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your skin >> tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make the >> stuff look good, even if you could see. >> >> For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. >> >> For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to make >> the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. >> >> Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, like >> a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, and >> applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that >> there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed to be. >> >> i hope this helps! >> >> Kate >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mikaela, >>> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your >>> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some insight >>> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. >>> Talk soon, >>> Sarah >>> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp on >>> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Mikaela Stevens >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious >>> when >>> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is >>> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's >>> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and >>> I >>> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >>> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells >>> me >>> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >>> rather >>> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted >>> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel >>> better about myself because I know I look my best. >>> >>> >>> >>> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you >>> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not >>> ask >>> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some >>> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mikaela Stevens >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >>> ronto.ca >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kathryn CARROLL >> American University >> 631 521 3018 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Thu Apr 8 21:50:03 2010 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 17:50:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: <063D28E6-1AC5-4D45-B462-BE8C121280FD@gmail.com> References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> <063D28E6-1AC5-4D45-B462-BE8C121280FD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001801cad765$7213f620$563be260$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Hi Briley, You raised a good point with multiple colours on eyes. This changes the visual effect? Sarah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Briley Pollard Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lame question Also remember that you can learn how to apply multiple colors on your eyes with a little direction. For example, I have small eyes, so I want to put a lighter color in the outer corners, and a darker color on my lid, whereas people with larger eyes can do darker colors in the outer corners to achieve the smoky eye look. Also, Prescriptives and Clinique have blush brushes which help to apply it perfectly on each cheek. Eye liner is not too hard. It is hard to explain without showing you all, but if you close the eye slightly and pull it out from the outer edge to form more of a straight line to follow, you can apply with the other hand. The right makeup is key for any of this, but it can be really fun. Briley On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hey All, > I love the mascara tip! I'm totally blind, and my mother is a hair > stylist, so she would actually yell at me if I walked out of the > house without at least some lipstick and a little bit of blush. But > here are the musts in order to start on the right foot. > 1. Like Kate said, the first step is to go to a department store and > get the right shades of foundation and blush. If you look orange, that > means your foundation isn't the right color. > 2. For actual application of foundation, I use a powder puff. The key > is really to cover your face evenly. So for example start on your > lower right cheek, right next to your mouth, and just move up slowly > and evenly. After you reach the top of that side you probablly want to > go in for a little more foundation. Make sure to shake the puff > lightly against the container so that you get any extra powder off. > And then do the same for the other side. After your done, I would > grab a tissue and just lightly go around my face so that any uneven > spots, or clusters of powder are taken care off. > 3. Blush is easy, just smile, and feel the apple of your cheek. You > don't want to go any further than that, and again, use the tissue at > the end. > 4. I usually don't use mascara but Kate's idea is awesome. > 5. I apply eye shadow with my fingers. So just swipe your fingers on > it like twice, and close your eye, go from the inside, the side > closest to your nose, out. Then go back and make sure it's spread > evenly by simply retracing the area twice. > 6. Eye liner is a bit more challenging. But first start by tracing the > underside of your eye carefully, and gently until you memorize the > contours. Then practice with liner. This one takes practice and the > first few times have one of your sisters, or someone tell you where > you got off. > And lipstick is the easiest. > > Also keep in mind that there are different options for makeup now. For > instance, you can buy foundation in a cream form, which might be > easier to apply. Lastly, if you are sisters are awesome enough to do > your makeup for you, have a girl day with them, and have them help you > improve rather than doing it for you. A lot of times, what sighted > people do when applying makeup is the same for us, except with a few > adjustments. So ask them, what do you do when the foundation is > uneven, and have them show you and voila, that is what you have to do. > Hope this helps. > mary > > > On 4/7/10, Katy Carroll wrote: >> Hi Mikaela, >> >> I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I wear >> some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to apply it. >> I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually right up >> against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. >> >> Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics store, >> or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics >> professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your skin >> tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make the >> stuff look good, even if you could see. >> >> For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. >> >> For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to make >> the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. >> >> Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, like >> a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, and >> applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that >> there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed to be. >> >> i hope this helps! >> >> Kate >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mikaela, >>> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your >>> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some insight >>> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. >>> Talk soon, >>> Sarah >>> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp on >>> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Mikaela Stevens >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious >>> when >>> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is >>> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; it's >>> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >>> >>> >>> >>> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne and >>> I >>> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >>> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always tells >>> me >>> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >>> rather >>> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted >>> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel >>> better about myself because I know I look my best. >>> >>> >>> >>> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When you >>> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not >>> ask >>> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there some >>> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>> Mikaela Stevens >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >>> ronto.ca >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.am erican.edu >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kathryn CARROLL >> American University >> 631 521 3018 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory University 2012 > P.O. Box 123056 > Atlanta Ga. > 30322 > Phone: 732-857-7004 > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com Fri Apr 9 03:05:32 2010 From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza Cano) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 21:05:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] California Association of Blind Students Newsletter Message-ID: <6B246A6E47344D7CBB85B0BF3AB0E440@azizaLatD430> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: April 2010 newsletter.doc Type: application/msword Size: 93184 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kc2992a at student.american.edu Fri Apr 9 03:13:43 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 23:13:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: <-8589616633332494132@unknownmsgid> References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> <063D28E6-1AC5-4D45-B462-BE8C121280FD@gmail.com> <-8589616633332494132@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I just realized how many typos were in my email earlier- sorry! (I need to stop pulling all-nighters.) -Kate On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Sarah Jevnikar wrote: > Hi Briley, > You raised a good point with multiple colours on eyes. This changes the > visual effect? > Sarah > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Briley Pollard > Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lame question > > Also remember that you can learn how to apply multiple colors on your eyes > with a little direction. For example, I have small eyes, so I want to put a > lighter color in the outer corners, and a darker color on my lid, whereas > people with larger eyes can do darker colors in the outer corners to > achieve > the smoky eye look. Also, Prescriptives and Clinique have blush brushes > which help to apply it perfectly on each cheek. Eye liner is not too hard. > It is hard to explain without showing you all, but if you close the eye > slightly and pull it out from the outer edge to form more of a straight > line > to follow, you can apply with the other hand. The right makeup is key for > any of this, but it can be really fun. > > Briley > On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > > > Hey All, > > I love the mascara tip! I'm totally blind, and my mother is a hair > > stylist, so she would actually yell at me if I walked out of the > > house without at least some lipstick and a little bit of blush. But > > here are the musts in order to start on the right foot. > > 1. Like Kate said, the first step is to go to a department store and > > get the right shades of foundation and blush. If you look orange, that > > means your foundation isn't the right color. > > 2. For actual application of foundation, I use a powder puff. The key > > is really to cover your face evenly. So for example start on your > > lower right cheek, right next to your mouth, and just move up slowly > > and evenly. After you reach the top of that side you probablly want to > > go in for a little more foundation. Make sure to shake the puff > > lightly against the container so that you get any extra powder off. > > And then do the same for the other side. After your done, I would > > grab a tissue and just lightly go around my face so that any uneven > > spots, or clusters of powder are taken care off. > > 3. Blush is easy, just smile, and feel the apple of your cheek. You > > don't want to go any further than that, and again, use the tissue at > > the end. > > 4. I usually don't use mascara but Kate's idea is awesome. > > 5. I apply eye shadow with my fingers. So just swipe your fingers on > > it like twice, and close your eye, go from the inside, the side > > closest to your nose, out. Then go back and make sure it's spread > > evenly by simply retracing the area twice. > > 6. Eye liner is a bit more challenging. But first start by tracing the > > underside of your eye carefully, and gently until you memorize the > > contours. Then practice with liner. This one takes practice and the > > first few times have one of your sisters, or someone tell you where > > you got off. > > And lipstick is the easiest. > > > > Also keep in mind that there are different options for makeup now. For > > instance, you can buy foundation in a cream form, which might be > > easier to apply. Lastly, if you are sisters are awesome enough to do > > your makeup for you, have a girl day with them, and have them help you > > improve rather than doing it for you. A lot of times, what sighted > > people do when applying makeup is the same for us, except with a few > > adjustments. So ask them, what do you do when the foundation is > > uneven, and have them show you and voila, that is what you have to do. > > Hope this helps. > > mary > > > > > > On 4/7/10, Katy Carroll wrote: > >> Hi Mikaela, > >> > >> I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I > wear > >> some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to apply > it. > >> I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually right > up > >> against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. > >> > >> Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics > store, > >> or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics > >> professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your > skin > >> tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make > the > >> stuff look good, even if you could see. > >> > >> For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. > >> > >> For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to > make > >> the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. > >> > >> Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, > like > >> a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, > and > >> applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that > >> there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed to > be. > >> > >> i hope this helps! > >> > >> Kate > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Mikaela, > >>> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your > >>> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some > insight > >>> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. > >>> Talk soon, > >>> Sarah > >>> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp > on > >>> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >>> Behalf > >>> Of Mikaela Stevens > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious > >>> when > >>> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is > >>> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; > it's > >>> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne > and > >>> I > >>> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and > >>> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always > tells > >>> me > >>> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, > >>> rather > >>> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my sighted > >>> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel > >>> better about myself because I know I look my best. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When > you > >>> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do not > >>> ask > >>> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there > some > >>> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Mikaela Stevens > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > >>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > >>> ronto.ca > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > >>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.am > erican.edu > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Kathryn CARROLL > >> American University > >> 631 521 3018 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. > com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Mary Fernandez > > Emory University 2012 > > P.O. Box 123056 > > Atlanta Ga. > > 30322 > > Phone: 732-857-7004 > > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that > > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. > > President Barack Obama > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > ronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL American University 631 521 3018 From dlawless86 at gmail.com Fri Apr 9 15:28:12 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 10:28:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> <063D28E6-1AC5-4D45-B462-BE8C121280FD@gmail.com> <-8589616633332494132@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi, That wasn't a stupid question at all. If you are not used to putting on makeup then it can seem like a really daunting task. A lot of people have mentioned going to a makeup counter at a department store. This is a fantastic idea. If I had to go into a drug store and pick out my makeup it would be nearly impossible. I would probably find a color I liked and it would look horrible on me. If you use a shopper's assistant they won't necessarily know about color and what looks good with certain skin tones. I used the Prescriptives line before they shut down and it was fantastic. The people that work at makeup counters are paid to figure out what looks good so they tend to be more knowledgeable. They are also more willing to work with you and teach you how to apply their products. The best kind of makeup is the kind that will give you a lot of tactile feedback. You'll be able to tell if your foundation is evenly applied easier if it is liquid rather than powder. The same is true of cream eyeshadow. My best advice for you is to play around with the techniques you've read on this thread and find out what works best for you. Have someone you trust standing by to tell you what looks good and what doesn't. It will get a lot easier with practice and remember that you can always post to the list if you have any questions. Good Luck!! Domonique On 4/8/10, Katy Carroll wrote: > I just realized how many typos were in my email earlier- sorry! (I need to > stop pulling all-nighters.) > > -Kate > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Sarah Jevnikar > wrote: > >> Hi Briley, >> You raised a good point with multiple colours on eyes. This changes the >> visual effect? >> Sarah >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Briley Pollard >> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:59 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lame question >> >> Also remember that you can learn how to apply multiple colors on your eyes >> with a little direction. For example, I have small eyes, so I want to put >> a >> lighter color in the outer corners, and a darker color on my lid, whereas >> people with larger eyes can do darker colors in the outer corners to >> achieve >> the smoky eye look. Also, Prescriptives and Clinique have blush brushes >> which help to apply it perfectly on each cheek. Eye liner is not too hard. >> It is hard to explain without showing you all, but if you close the eye >> slightly and pull it out from the outer edge to form more of a straight >> line >> to follow, you can apply with the other hand. The right makeup is key for >> any of this, but it can be really fun. >> >> Briley >> On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> >> > Hey All, >> > I love the mascara tip! I'm totally blind, and my mother is a hair >> > stylist, so she would actually yell at me if I walked out of the >> > house without at least some lipstick and a little bit of blush. But >> > here are the musts in order to start on the right foot. >> > 1. Like Kate said, the first step is to go to a department store and >> > get the right shades of foundation and blush. If you look orange, that >> > means your foundation isn't the right color. >> > 2. For actual application of foundation, I use a powder puff. The key >> > is really to cover your face evenly. So for example start on your >> > lower right cheek, right next to your mouth, and just move up slowly >> > and evenly. After you reach the top of that side you probablly want to >> > go in for a little more foundation. Make sure to shake the puff >> > lightly against the container so that you get any extra powder off. >> > And then do the same for the other side. After your done, I would >> > grab a tissue and just lightly go around my face so that any uneven >> > spots, or clusters of powder are taken care off. >> > 3. Blush is easy, just smile, and feel the apple of your cheek. You >> > don't want to go any further than that, and again, use the tissue at >> > the end. >> > 4. I usually don't use mascara but Kate's idea is awesome. >> > 5. I apply eye shadow with my fingers. So just swipe your fingers on >> > it like twice, and close your eye, go from the inside, the side >> > closest to your nose, out. Then go back and make sure it's spread >> > evenly by simply retracing the area twice. >> > 6. Eye liner is a bit more challenging. But first start by tracing the >> > underside of your eye carefully, and gently until you memorize the >> > contours. Then practice with liner. This one takes practice and the >> > first few times have one of your sisters, or someone tell you where >> > you got off. >> > And lipstick is the easiest. >> > >> > Also keep in mind that there are different options for makeup now. For >> > instance, you can buy foundation in a cream form, which might be >> > easier to apply. Lastly, if you are sisters are awesome enough to do >> > your makeup for you, have a girl day with them, and have them help you >> > improve rather than doing it for you. A lot of times, what sighted >> > people do when applying makeup is the same for us, except with a few >> > adjustments. So ask them, what do you do when the foundation is >> > uneven, and have them show you and voila, that is what you have to do. >> > Hope this helps. >> > mary >> > >> > >> > On 4/7/10, Katy Carroll wrote: >> >> Hi Mikaela, >> >> >> >> I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I >> wear >> >> some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to >> >> apply >> it. >> >> I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually >> >> right >> up >> >> against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. >> >> >> >> Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics >> store, >> >> or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics >> >> professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your >> skin >> >> tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make >> the >> >> stuff look good, even if you could see. >> >> >> >> For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. >> >> >> >> For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to >> make >> >> the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. >> >> >> >> Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, >> like >> >> a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, >> and >> >> applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that >> >> there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed >> >> to >> be. >> >> >> >> i hope this helps! >> >> >> >> Kate >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Mikaela, >> >>> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; your >> >>> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some >> insight >> >>> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. >> >>> Talk soon, >> >>> Sarah >> >>> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I harp >> on >> >>> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> >>> Behalf >> >>> Of Mikaela Stevens >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question >> >>> >> >>> Hello, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am serious >> >>> when >> >>> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question is >> >>> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; >> it's >> >>> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad acne >> and >> >>> I >> >>> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >> >>> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always >> tells >> >>> me >> >>> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >> >>> rather >> >>> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my >> >>> sighted >> >>> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I feel >> >>> better about myself because I know I look my best. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? When >> you >> >>> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do >> >>> not >> >>> ask >> >>> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there >> some >> >>> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sincerely, >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Mikaela Stevens >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> >>> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >> >>> ronto.ca >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> >>> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.am >> erican.edu >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kathryn CARROLL >> >> American University >> >> 631 521 3018 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. >> com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mary Fernandez >> > Emory University 2012 >> > P.O. Box 123056 >> > Atlanta Ga. >> > 30322 >> > Phone: 732-857-7004 >> > In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> > greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> > President Barack Obama >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >> ronto.ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >> > > > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > American University > 631 521 3018 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From prenfranz at gmail.com Fri Apr 9 21:18:02 2010 From: prenfranz at gmail.com (Pat Renfranz) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:18:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm so grateful for all of your responses. We're going to try the free sample download of the AGC, I hope with the school district's Tiger embosser, to see how it works; I think she would definitely need the tactile input especially when first exposed to a certain type of function. If someone could run this by the science or math groups to see if anyone there has experience with these programs, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again. And I'll try to get her on this list! She can tell you about how this turns out. Pat On 4/7/10, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Pat, > I took calculus in high school and went on to pursue statistics as > one of my majors in college, which involved a few more advanced math > courses. Like mary I was fairly low-tech; I completed all my > coursework using my Braille Note and A Perkins brailler (for more > complex calculations) with the help of a talking scientific > calculator. As I was fortunate to have all my math books in braille, I > was able to feel the graphics and reproduce them tactilely. I did > purchase a copy of the AGC through my state rehab agency when I > started college, although I had to teach myself as no assistive > technology trainer in my area was familiar with the software. It was > relatively intuitive and I found it useful for certain things > (locating zeros of a higher-order polynomial function, etc.), but as a > tactile learner I did not find the audio graphing output very > informative. A Tiger embosser would make the software a lot more > useful, I believe, but it is very expensive and out of the price range > of most schools and agencies. > I have never used MathTrax, but since it is free I would suggest for > your daughter to download and play with it to see whether it is > helpful and whether it is worthwhile to invest in a copy of the AGC. I > think the best solution will probably depend a lot on her personal > learning style and preferences. Best of luck to both of you, and feel > free to have her contact me directly if she has any questions about > handling advanced math classes! > Katie > > > On 4/7/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I don't have any answers about the graphic calculator, other than that >> I found a graphic calculator essential in Algebra 2. I was sighted at >> the time, so I don't know about accessible graphic calculators, but >> it'll be very important in Algebra 2 and Calculus. The fact that she's >> gotten along without high tech in math is great, and you should be >> proud of her for it. I remember using a graphic calculator in Algebra >> 1 and Geometry and wondering where I'd be without it (of course, that >> was partly because of the Frogger and Pac-Man games that kept me busy >> while everyone was still working without getting me in trouble for >> taking out a book or other game...). >> >> Definitely look into a graphic calculator, though. The one you >> mentioned that makes graphics with a Tiger Embosser sounds like a >> great thing; sometimes it doesn't matter how much you hear something, >> you really need to *see* it, whether with eyes or fingers. I know that >> personally, because I am a very visual/tactile learner. Of course for >> me now, visual learning means tactilely loking at things, graphics, >> and books, but it's still "visual" to me. I see with my fingers, not >> my eyes. >> >> Anyway, may I suggest asking further on the NFB Science list as well? >> If you want, I can forward your question to them. They would likely >> have some good idea of the use of graphic calculators, as they are >> essential tools in advanced science. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 4/7/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Hello Pat. >>> In high school I got as far as calculus in my junior year. I was very >>> low tech. I had a braille note, which does all relevant calculations, >>> and I used wicki sticks and braille graph paper for graphing. I had my >>> book in braille, so I knew what the graphs should look like, and so >>> reproducing them never presented a problem. I think that it is >>> definitely a personal choice. I would suggest downloading math tracks >>> and having your daughter play around with it to see if it is actually >>> helpful or not. I'm a very tactile learner, so while hearing the curve >>> was interesting, for me, it was better to take out my little wicki >>> sticks and feeling it on paper. So, just take the resources you have, >>> and her learning style and see what works best. Finally, I hope that >>> we hear from her directly next time so that we know what her personal >>> perspectives and preferences are. >>> Sincerely, >>> Mary F. >>> >>> On 4/6/10, Pat Renfranz wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I am writing to this list as a mom. I know my kid should be doing the >>>> writing, but it's not happening, so here goes: >>>> >>>> My daughter will be taking Algebra II next year in 9th grade, then >>>> she'll move into Pre-calculus for 10th. She's gotten by just fine with >>>> relatively low-tech math tools. We are wondering if it would be useful >>>> for her to start using an accessible graphing calculator. Does anyone >>>> have any practical advice on using one of these programs? I am looking >>>> into the Audio Graphing Calculator from ViewPlus and Math Trax from >>>> NASA. They both produce an audio signal representing the shape of the >>>> function, while the AGC has the advantage of being able to produce >>>> tactile graphs on a Tiger embosser. Maybe there are other products >>>> available? >>>> >>>> I’m concerned about training on the software. Did someone teach you to >>>> use the software or did you have to teach yourself? I saw that the >>>> Carroll Center has a tutorial on the AGC; has anyone tried it? >>>> >>>> Or did you do ok in advance math without all the bells and whistles? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any help, >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/prenfranz%40gmail.com > From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Fri Apr 9 23:33:19 2010 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 19:33:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] math technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001501cad83d$09d63b80$1d82b280$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Hi Pat, I'm sorry this is late; I hope it will be useful to you. I am taking a math-related program in university but as of yet have not needed the use of a graphing calculator. Unfortunately more and more teachers are choosing to use them, but their results are more important than the methods used to attain them. Perhaps talking (or having your daughter talk) to her potential math teachers to see how accommodations can be made will help. Perhaps the teacher and your daughter can meet outside of class to discuss graphs coming up, or fabric paint versions of the graphs can be given to your daughter so she knows what's going on. I found that anyone around me at school didn't know enough about technology for math, and this has proven true for my university studies as well, so anything I have learned I have learned independently. Math Tracks is a cool program but only provides audio output. I know there are others but I can't think of them. I'm sorry this is not wholly useful to you, but I hope your daughter continues her studies in math. Sincerely, Sarah Jevnikar -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Pat Renfranz Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 5:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] math technology I'm so grateful for all of your responses. We're going to try the free sample download of the AGC, I hope with the school district's Tiger embosser, to see how it works; I think she would definitely need the tactile input especially when first exposed to a certain type of function. If someone could run this by the science or math groups to see if anyone there has experience with these programs, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again. And I'll try to get her on this list! She can tell you about how this turns out. Pat On 4/7/10, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Pat, > I took calculus in high school and went on to pursue statistics as > one of my majors in college, which involved a few more advanced math > courses. Like mary I was fairly low-tech; I completed all my > coursework using my Braille Note and A Perkins brailler (for more > complex calculations) with the help of a talking scientific > calculator. As I was fortunate to have all my math books in braille, I > was able to feel the graphics and reproduce them tactilely. I did > purchase a copy of the AGC through my state rehab agency when I > started college, although I had to teach myself as no assistive > technology trainer in my area was familiar with the software. It was > relatively intuitive and I found it useful for certain things > (locating zeros of a higher-order polynomial function, etc.), but as a > tactile learner I did not find the audio graphing output very > informative. A Tiger embosser would make the software a lot more > useful, I believe, but it is very expensive and out of the price range > of most schools and agencies. > I have never used MathTrax, but since it is free I would suggest for > your daughter to download and play with it to see whether it is > helpful and whether it is worthwhile to invest in a copy of the AGC. I > think the best solution will probably depend a lot on her personal > learning style and preferences. Best of luck to both of you, and feel > free to have her contact me directly if she has any questions about > handling advanced math classes! > Katie > > > On 4/7/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I don't have any answers about the graphic calculator, other than that >> I found a graphic calculator essential in Algebra 2. I was sighted at >> the time, so I don't know about accessible graphic calculators, but >> it'll be very important in Algebra 2 and Calculus. The fact that she's >> gotten along without high tech in math is great, and you should be >> proud of her for it. I remember using a graphic calculator in Algebra >> 1 and Geometry and wondering where I'd be without it (of course, that >> was partly because of the Frogger and Pac-Man games that kept me busy >> while everyone was still working without getting me in trouble for >> taking out a book or other game...). >> >> Definitely look into a graphic calculator, though. The one you >> mentioned that makes graphics with a Tiger Embosser sounds like a >> great thing; sometimes it doesn't matter how much you hear something, >> you really need to *see* it, whether with eyes or fingers. I know that >> personally, because I am a very visual/tactile learner. Of course for >> me now, visual learning means tactilely loking at things, graphics, >> and books, but it's still "visual" to me. I see with my fingers, not >> my eyes. >> >> Anyway, may I suggest asking further on the NFB Science list as well? >> If you want, I can forward your question to them. They would likely >> have some good idea of the use of graphic calculators, as they are >> essential tools in advanced science. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 4/7/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Hello Pat. >>> In high school I got as far as calculus in my junior year. I was very >>> low tech. I had a braille note, which does all relevant calculations, >>> and I used wicki sticks and braille graph paper for graphing. I had my >>> book in braille, so I knew what the graphs should look like, and so >>> reproducing them never presented a problem. I think that it is >>> definitely a personal choice. I would suggest downloading math tracks >>> and having your daughter play around with it to see if it is actually >>> helpful or not. I'm a very tactile learner, so while hearing the curve >>> was interesting, for me, it was better to take out my little wicki >>> sticks and feeling it on paper. So, just take the resources you have, >>> and her learning style and see what works best. Finally, I hope that >>> we hear from her directly next time so that we know what her personal >>> perspectives and preferences are. >>> Sincerely, >>> Mary F. >>> >>> On 4/6/10, Pat Renfranz wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I am writing to this list as a mom. I know my kid should be doing the >>>> writing, but it's not happening, so here goes: >>>> >>>> My daughter will be taking Algebra II next year in 9th grade, then >>>> she'll move into Pre-calculus for 10th. She's gotten by just fine with >>>> relatively low-tech math tools. We are wondering if it would be useful >>>> for her to start using an accessible graphing calculator. Does anyone >>>> have any practical advice on using one of these programs? I am looking >>>> into the Audio Graphing Calculator from ViewPlus and Math Trax from >>>> NASA. They both produce an audio signal representing the shape of the >>>> function, while the AGC has the advantage of being able to produce >>>> tactile graphs on a Tiger embosser. Maybe there are other products >>>> available? >>>> >>>> I'm concerned about training on the software. Did someone teach you to >>>> use the software or did you have to teach yourself? I saw that the >>>> Carroll Center has a tutorial on the AGC; has anyone tried it? >>>> >>>> Or did you do ok in advance math without all the bells and whistles? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance for any help, >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mary Fernandez >>> Emory University 2012 >>> P.O. Box 123056 >>> Atlanta Ga. >>> 30322 >>> Phone: 732-857-7004 >>> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >>> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >>> President Barack Obama >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmai l.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail. com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/prenfranz%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Apr 9 23:47:47 2010 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 16:47:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BARD NLS Message-ID: Can someone who has recently registered for a BARD NLS account and who is familiar with the process please email me off list. Thanks, Nicole From Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com Sat Apr 10 00:15:44 2010 From: Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com (Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 20:15:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sample letter of justiifcation Message-ID: Hello to all Can someone send me a sample letter of justification? It would be greatly appreciated From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 10 15:10:29 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:10:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question In-Reply-To: References: <8FF7C25F2BC846509BB84C030C25A720@MikealaPC> <-2632082015765102494@unknownmsgid> <063D28E6-1AC5-4D45-B462-BE8C121280FD@gmail.com> <-8589616633332494132@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Hi, No such thing as a stupid question, just stupid answers. And it seems, this time, that there was no answers? Maybe I'm mistaken. For me, I don't wear makeup..I wore it for prom and my wedding, and that's it. I wear lip balm and the occassional nail polish, but that's all. I do know, however, one tip I was given about makeup... It is better to not have enough than to have too much. Before going out, dab at eye shadow to take away excess, rub blush in to assure it's not too much, and if your face is greasy (if it's not naturally greasy), then you have too much concealer. Do you have an Indepenedent Living counselor? If you do, ask her for make-up tips. Sometimes, you'll find assistance from mini-center teachers, too. Your ILC might know the mini-center's beauty teacher and might be able to ask her to give you a quick class outside the center (unless you want to do the mini-center; in which case, go for it! I did a mini-center, and while some of it was more basic than I needed, I learned quite a bit of good tips and ideas from it). There are also a few places out there on the Internet with tips. I'll see if I can't find them again. I didn't bookmark them because I don't do makeup, and this was before my blog was started. Let me see what I can find. ~Jewel On 4/9/10, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Hi, > That wasn't a stupid question at all. If you are not used to putting > on makeup then it can seem like a really daunting task. A lot of > people have mentioned going to a makeup counter at a department store. > This is a fantastic idea. If I had to go into a drug store and pick > out my makeup it would be nearly impossible. I would probably find a > color I liked and it would look horrible on me. If you use a shopper's > assistant they won't necessarily know about color and what looks good > with certain skin tones. I used the Prescriptives line before they > shut down and it was fantastic. The people that work at makeup > counters are paid to figure out what looks good so they tend to be > more knowledgeable. They are also more willing to work with you and > teach you how to apply their products. > The best kind of makeup is the kind that will give you a lot of > tactile feedback. You'll be able to tell if your foundation is evenly > applied easier if it is liquid rather than powder. The same is true of > cream eyeshadow. My best advice for you is to play around with the > techniques you've read on this thread and find out what works best for > you. Have someone you trust standing by to tell you what looks good > and what doesn't. It will get a lot easier with practice and remember > that you can always post to the list if you have any questions. > > Good Luck!! > Domonique > > On 4/8/10, Katy Carroll wrote: >> I just realized how many typos were in my email earlier- sorry! (I need >> to >> stop pulling all-nighters.) >> >> -Kate >> >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Sarah Jevnikar >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Briley, >>> You raised a good point with multiple colours on eyes. This changes the >>> visual effect? >>> Sarah >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Briley Pollard >>> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 3:59 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Lame question >>> >>> Also remember that you can learn how to apply multiple colors on your >>> eyes >>> with a little direction. For example, I have small eyes, so I want to put >>> a >>> lighter color in the outer corners, and a darker color on my lid, whereas >>> people with larger eyes can do darker colors in the outer corners to >>> achieve >>> the smoky eye look. Also, Prescriptives and Clinique have blush brushes >>> which help to apply it perfectly on each cheek. Eye liner is not too >>> hard. >>> It is hard to explain without showing you all, but if you close the eye >>> slightly and pull it out from the outer edge to form more of a straight >>> line >>> to follow, you can apply with the other hand. The right makeup is key for >>> any of this, but it can be really fun. >>> >>> Briley >>> On Apr 8, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> >>> > Hey All, >>> > I love the mascara tip! I'm totally blind, and my mother is a hair >>> > stylist, so she would actually yell at me if I walked out of the >>> > house without at least some lipstick and a little bit of blush. But >>> > here are the musts in order to start on the right foot. >>> > 1. Like Kate said, the first step is to go to a department store and >>> > get the right shades of foundation and blush. If you look orange, that >>> > means your foundation isn't the right color. >>> > 2. For actual application of foundation, I use a powder puff. The key >>> > is really to cover your face evenly. So for example start on your >>> > lower right cheek, right next to your mouth, and just move up slowly >>> > and evenly. After you reach the top of that side you probablly want to >>> > go in for a little more foundation. Make sure to shake the puff >>> > lightly against the container so that you get any extra powder off. >>> > And then do the same for the other side. After your done, I would >>> > grab a tissue and just lightly go around my face so that any uneven >>> > spots, or clusters of powder are taken care off. >>> > 3. Blush is easy, just smile, and feel the apple of your cheek. You >>> > don't want to go any further than that, and again, use the tissue at >>> > the end. >>> > 4. I usually don't use mascara but Kate's idea is awesome. >>> > 5. I apply eye shadow with my fingers. So just swipe your fingers on >>> > it like twice, and close your eye, go from the inside, the side >>> > closest to your nose, out. Then go back and make sure it's spread >>> > evenly by simply retracing the area twice. >>> > 6. Eye liner is a bit more challenging. But first start by tracing the >>> > underside of your eye carefully, and gently until you memorize the >>> > contours. Then practice with liner. This one takes practice and the >>> > first few times have one of your sisters, or someone tell you where >>> > you got off. >>> > And lipstick is the easiest. >>> > >>> > Also keep in mind that there are different options for makeup now. For >>> > instance, you can buy foundation in a cream form, which might be >>> > easier to apply. Lastly, if you are sisters are awesome enough to do >>> > your makeup for you, have a girl day with them, and have them help you >>> > improve rather than doing it for you. A lot of times, what sighted >>> > people do when applying makeup is the same for us, except with a few >>> > adjustments. So ask them, what do you do when the foundation is >>> > uneven, and have them show you and voila, that is what you have to do. >>> > Hope this helps. >>> > mary >>> > >>> > >>> > On 4/7/10, Katy Carroll wrote: >>> >> Hi Mikaela, >>> >> >>> >> I completely understand where you are coming from on this question. I >>> wear >>> >> some very basic makeup, but it did take me a while to learn how to >>> >> apply >>> it. >>> >> I am partially sighted, but when I put on makeup, and I am usually >>> >> right >>> up >>> >> against my mirror, trying to see the details and get them right. >>> >> >>> >> Why don't you treat yourself to a trip to Sephora or other cosmetics >>> store, >>> >> or salon, and have a consultation with a salesperson or cosmetics >>> >> professional to make sure you have the best color cosmetics for your >>> skin >>> >> tone. Having the wrong shades will make it impossible for you to make >>> the >>> >> stuff look good, even if you could see. >>> >> >>> >> For me, I use a magnifying mirror with added light to apply make up. >>> >> >>> >> For foundation or blush, I use a large brush, because it is harder to >>> make >>> >> the powder than it is with with circular powder puff. >>> >> >>> >> Also, i have a cool method of applyign mascara. I take a plastic card, >>> like >>> >> a credit card, and press the long edge against the edge of my eyelid, >>> and >>> >> applying the msacara that way, with the card behind my lashes so that >>> >> there's no chance of getting masacra anywhere but where it's supposed >>> >> to >>> be. >>> >> >>> >> i hope this helps! >>> >> >>> >> Kate >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Sarah Jevnikar >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hi Mikaela, >>> >>> I wish I could answer this as I've struggled with similar issues; >>> >>> your >>> >>> question makes perfect sense to me. I really hope someone has some >>> insight >>> >>> (pardon the pun.) into this as I am intrigued. >>> >>> Talk soon, >>> >>> Sarah >>> >>> P.s.: JAWS users: make sure names are spelled correctly. I know I >>> >>> harp >>> on >>> >>> this a lot but it's of utmost importance. Thanks! :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> >>> Behalf >>> >>> Of Mikaela Stevens >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:16 PM >>> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Lame question >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I know this question might sound silly or ridiculous, but I am >>> >>> serious >>> >>> when >>> >>> I ask it and I would really appreciate some feedback. This question >>> >>> is >>> >>> really for the girls on this list, but I'm not trying to be sexist; >>> it's >>> >>> just a girly thing: a beauty-type question. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I have always struggled with makeup. I wear it because I have bad >>> >>> acne >>> and >>> >>> I >>> >>> have the desire to wear it to make myself appear put-together and >>> >>> professional. I just can't seem to make it look good. My mom always >>> tells >>> >>> me >>> >>> if it looks splotchy or orange (not because she is trying to be mean, >>> >>> rather >>> >>> because she wants me to be aware and look presentable). When my >>> >>> sighted >>> >>> sister or friends do my makeup for me I receive compliments and I >>> >>> feel >>> >>> better about myself because I know I look my best. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> My questions are: Do you wear makeup? If so, how do you apply it? >>> >>> When >>> you >>> >>> are finished do you have to ask someone if it looks good? If you do >>> >>> not >>> >>> ask >>> >>> a sighted person, how do you know it looks how it should? Are there >>> some >>> >>> non-visual techniques for making sure you look appropriate? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you in advance for any input on this! Have a great day. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Mikaela Stevens >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >>> >>> ronto.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.am >>> erican.edu >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Kathryn CARROLL >>> >> American University >>> >> 631 521 3018 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Mary Fernandez >>> > Emory University 2012 >>> > P.O. 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It must be earned. >>> > President Barack Obama >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >>> ronto.ca >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kathryn CARROLL >> American University >> 631 521 3018 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sat Apr 10 16:34:16 2010 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 11:34:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Accessibility_of_Certiport__IC=B3=2C_test?= Message-ID: <1648077C369A46498820AB0871803D88@D3DTZP41> Hello: I recently found out that I will need to take the Certiport IC³, test. I am the only blind student at my school, so no one has a clue how to arrange for an accessible exam. If anyone has had experience, I would appreciate hearing from you. Thank you. Regards, Robert Jaquiss, President Greater Ouachita Chapter National Federation of the Blind Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net From liamskitten at gmail.com Sun Apr 11 01:42:50 2010 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:42:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sample letter of justiifcation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lavar, I'm copying here a sample letter Arielle sent to the list several weeks ago. Here's what she had to say about it: As an addendum to our listserv discussion and conference call about getting justification to attend NFB training centers, Jim Omvig shared with us a sample justification letter that you can use to guide you when writing your letter justifying your choice to attend an NFB training center. We felt it would be beneficial to many blind students on this list, so I am attaching it here. Please note that this is just a sample, and can serve as the basic framework for your letter, but to write a strong and personal letter, you should feel free to insert examples of how you personally will benefit from the particular training center that you have chosen to attend. Talk about specific skills that you need training in, how those skills are relevant to your vocational goal, and give examples of activities at the center you have chosen that teach these skills through challenge and discovery. I also think the best-crafted letter will come after conversations with other center students, as we discussed earlier. Below is the letter itself: Dear (VR Counselor): The purpose of this letter is to notify you that, pursuant to the federal rights which are mine under the Rehabilitation Act and the Rehabilitation Services Administration's (RSA) Policy Directive PD-01-03, I wish to exercise my right to choose both my own "service provider" for my adjustment to blindness training and the "setting" in which this training will take place. Therefore, I hereby choose to attend (insert specific name of NFB Center) for a period of from six to nine months. In case there is any confusion about the federal rights I have concerning "Informed Choice," following for your convenience is the VR policy as stated in 2001 in RSA PD-01-03: POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, settings for employment and service provision, and methods for procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. In preparing to exercise my right to choose, I have learned that I must first become informed about the various kinds of residential orientation and adjustment centers for the blind before I can choose wisely. In becoming informed, I have learned that the blind students who attend NFB centers are generally more independent, more self-confident, more able to take control of their lives, and more empowered than the blind people who attend traditional training centers. Therefore, I am choosing an NFB center because I want to learn to be just as independent and self-confident and able to take charge of my own life as these former students are. As I have spoken with other blind people, I have learned that these NFB centers have two significant components that are quite different from typical training centers. First, they have Core curriculums for all students who attend them. These have been tried and tested, and they work. Second, these centers teach what they call a "defined philosophy" about blindness to all of the students who attend them, instead of leaving a student's beliefs about blindness to chance. I have learned that most typical centers don't even talk about their ideas about blindness. It's like they don't really have any beliefs. I have also learned that most of the staff members in NFB centers are blind. They have learned to handle their own blindness in their daily lives. Therefore, they will be in an excellent position to help me handle mine and to encourage me when doing things without sight seems too hard. Also, I have learned that the training does not last long enough in most of the traditional centers. Sometimes students come back several times to get the training they actually need because they really didn't get fully trained the first time. On the other hand, the students who attend the NFB centers usually take training for from six to nine months. This length of time makes it possible for the students truly to master the skills of blindness and to adjust their own attitudes about themselves so that they can learn to look at themselves simply as normal people who cannot see and also learn to do the things other normal people do. I want to be able to come to this kind of peace concerning my own blindness. Therefore, I can get the training I really want and need by attending an NFB center. Further, by living at the center apartments during my several months of training, I can be practicing and perfecting the training I have had each day by cooking, cleaning, washing my own clothes, etc. I can also gain practical, valuable mobility experience every day by traveling back and forth from the center to my apartment. (optional for the partially blind) Finally, I have learned that I must come to deal with my remaining vision in a healthy way. I must have training using sleepshades to learn the skills of blindness adequately, to learn that I can function perfectly well using no vision at all, to eliminate the fear of future vision loss, and to equip me fully concerning a different kind of choice: Since I have very limited vision, I must learn to choose on a case-by-case basis each day whether to use my limited vision or a non-visual technique to perform a given task efficiently and competently. I can never have that kind of choice if I don't learn the blind techniques well using sleepshades. For all of these and other reasons, I choose to attend the (blank) center for from six to nine months. To provide you with more detailed information about the (blank) center, I am also giving you a document which it has prepared to explain its programs more fully. Thank you. Sincerely, (Jane Doe.) Hope this helps, Courtney Stover On 4/9/10, Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com wrote: > Hello to all > Can someone send me a sample letter of justification? It would be greatly > appreciated > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 11 01:44:17 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 20:44:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: EdSharp 3.2 and FileDir 3.8 released Message-ID: > >EdSharp 3.2 >http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe > >FileDir 3.8 >http://EmpowermentZone.com/dirsetup.exe > >EdSharp and FileDir are free, open source applications with rich >feature sets that rival counterparts on Windows for file editing and >directory management. In addition, they incorporate designs to >maximize productivity by keyboard and screen reader users. A course >of steady improvements, reflecting user feedback, has resulted in >these time-tested, accessible solutions. > >In the latest updates to EdSharp and FileDir, the free, open source >screen reader for Windows called Nonvisual Desktop Access, NVDA, is >now supported with direct speech messages, just like JAWS, System >Access, and Window-Eyes. NVDA is available either as an installer >or portable version from >http://nvda-project.org > >When navigating the menu system of EdSharp or FileDir, a tooltip >about the current menu item is now displayed on the status >line. This is the same summary information that appears in each >list item of the Alternate Menu command, Alt+F10. > >Both EdSharp and FileDir add the Web Client Utilities command, >Alt+Shift+Space, for tasks that conveniently retrieve information >from web sources. The collection of 35 utilities is described in a >new section of documentation -- an excerpt of which is pasted at the >end of this message. Web 2.0 services can significantly increase >efficient access to information by blind people. > >The installer of optional JAWS scripts for EdSharp or FileDir is now >compatible with 64-bit versions of Windows. > >The Export command of EdSharp, Alt+Shift+E, now includes PDF as a >target format. The Web Download command, Alt+Shift+W, now prompts >whether to get URLs from a web page or the current document. > >A new EdSharp configuration option, HardPageAddress, determines >whether the Address command, Alt+A, gives a page number instead of >document percentage (default is No). A form feed character >specifies a hard page break. It is part of the sequence inserted by >the Section Break command, Control+Enter, which is configurable via >the SectionBreak option of the configuration dialog. Use the >Control+PageDown and Control+PageUp commands to navigate by >page. Pressing Alt+A a second time in a row gives the alternate >type of address information, so you can still get a page number >without changing the HardPageAddress setting. > >The new Burn to CD command of EdSharp, Alt+Shift+B, operates on a >path list in the current document. Each file or folder path should >be placed on a separate line. If a parent folder is not specified, >the last one in the list is used. The default parent folder is the >current directory. For example, the following list specifies the >EdSharp program folder and two test files from the temp folder: > >C:\Program Files\EdSharp >C:\temp\test.txt >test.doc > >You can create a path list manually, or use the Path List command, >Control+Shift+P, to generate one for you. The paths found are >burned to the default CD drive. The CD may be blank or include >content already. The new content is added to it. The CD must be >writable. At this time, DVDs do not work, only CDs. > >The Recent command of FileDir, Alt+R, now prompts whether to show >recent folders opened in FileDir, or recent shortcuts that Windows >automatically creates in the special folder called Recent. These >are shortcuts to files or folders that you opened in almost any application. > >Jamal > >Web Client Utilities > >The Web Client Utilities command, Alt+Shift+Space, is similar to the >Research It command of JAWS, Insert+Space. The utilities are handy >ways of getting useful information from free web 2.0 services. The >following 35 utilities are installed (for efficient navigation in >the listbox, each has a unique initial character, which may be a >letter, digit, or symbol): > >!Odd News - Get recent news items that are strange but true via reuters.com. > >@DomainLookup - Get authoritative information about the registrant >of an Internet domain name, e.g., AccessibleWorld.org. Note that >some firewalls block this utility because it uses a different port >than standard HTTP requests. This uses the free WhoisThisDomain utility from >http://nirsoft.net/utils/ > >#SportScores - Pick a sport from a list and go to the corresponding >page on ESPN.com with recent news and scores. > >$Product Search - Enter keywords that describe a product and go to >its matching web page on amazon.com. > >-TimeInternational - Enter a location (e.g., specified as city, >country) and get the current time there via google.com. > >=UnitConversion - enter a source value, e.g., 10 miles, and a target >unit, e.g., kilometer, and get the converted result via >google.com. This works for currency units as well as physical measurements. > >1 Mile Stories - Get recent blog or news stories about a location >and surrounding area within a one mile radius via the outside.in web >service. Enter a location such as your home address on one line by >using a comma and space between segments that you might otherwise >type on separate lines. > >508 Check - Check a web page for compliance with accessibility >standards of the United States Government (Section 508 of the >Rehabilitation Act), as well as standards of the World Wide Web >Consortium (W3C). This checks a web page against 508 standards via >CynthiaSays.com (the site limits checks to one per minute from the >same client). It also includes the report of Wave, a web evaluation >checker from WebAim.org. > >0Captcha - Submit a captcha to solona.net ( a free account is >required), and have the text solution copied to the clipboard so you >can paste it into a web form. The utility waits up to 90 seconds >for a human operator to respond. This utility is typically executed >from within a browser that is displaying a captcha, though any .png >file on disk may be submitted. > >Address Lookup - Search for addresses of organizations meeting >geographic and other criteria via jigsaw.com. This prompts for an >organization name, area code, zip code, web site type, and fortune >rank. Fill in one or more fields for the search. For example, >input gov for the web site type in order to get government >organizations, or 500 in the fortune field to get companies in the >top fortune 500. > >Business Reviews - Search for reviews of a business specified by a >phone number via yelp.com. > >Common URLs - Show a list of the 100 most commonly referenced URLs >on Twitter at present via TweetMeme.com. These typically point to >news stories that people have been retweeting. > >Driving Directions - Input a starting and ending location, and get a >list of steps to get there by car (a blind person might share this >with a friend or cab driver). The location may be specified as a >street address in any country. The utility prompts for a starting >and ending address, uses the Google Maps API, and puts the estimated >distance, duration, and steps in the viewing area. Specify an >address as if you were addressing an envelope except for a comma >rather than return between each line, e.g., >1400 East-West Highway, Silver Spring MD 20910, USA > >USA is assumed as the country if not specified. > >EnglishDictionary Lookup - Get definitions and other information >about a word via wiktionary.com. > >Feed Find - Get a list of RSS and ATOM feeds made available by a web >site. This prompts for a web source and returns a list of RSS or >ATOM feeds found. An http:// prefix is assumed if not >specified. For example, entering >cnn.com > >finds two RSS feeds related to top stories and latest stories. You >can open a feed url to read recent content, or subscribe with a feed >reader for regular updates. > >Google Search and Set Suggestions - Propose a Google search and get >a list of popular searches that are similar. Also Get a list of >terms that may be part of the same set. For example, enter a >comma-separated list of U.S. presidents and let Google suggest a >more complete list. > >Horoscope Reading - Input a zodiac sign (e.g., Sagittarius) and get >a horoscope for today via my.horoscope.com. > >Interesting Places - Get a list of nearby places to eat, shop, or >visit via NextStop.com. This prompts for a location, which can be >in the city, state format, or a complete address with commas >seperating postal address lines. Also input the distance in >kilometers to search from that location, and any words that you want >to narrow the search, e.g., Chinese for that type of food. An >excerpt from a review of each place is also included, if available. > >Journalist World Reports - Get world headlines from multiple web >sources: the BBC, CNN, Christian Science Monitor, New York Times, >Reuters, and Yahoo. A structured text file is generated containing >a section of news items from each source. Each item has a title, >summary, and URL for the full article. > >KnowledgeWikipedia - Input a topic and get a Wikipedia article as >both a web page and a text file. > >Language Translation - Translate text you specify, between about 100 >different languages. You can quickly understand what a foreign >phrase means or how to write it. This uses the Google Translate API >to translate text among about 100 natural languages. By default, >the choice for the source language is unknown and automatically >inferred by Google. You pick the target language, and either enter >or paste text in the multi-line edit box. > >Members of Congress - Based on a U.S. zip code, get a list of House >and Senate members with various data including committee assignments >and contact information via SunlightLabs.com. > >Neighborhood Search - Search for places near a location, e.g., >restaurants with a particular cuisine near an address you are >visiting (anywhere in the world). This prompts for an address in >the same format as Driving Directions and also for one or more >keywords specified as if searching on Google, e.g., >seafood steak > >to find restaurants in the area that serve both seafood and steak. > >Original URL - Get the original version of a URL, e.g., one that was >shortened for sharing in a tweet. This does the reverse of the >Short URL utility, prompting for a URL, converting it, and copying >the result to the clipboard. > >Physician Online - Enter a medical topic and go to a matching web >page on WebMD.com. > >Quotes of the Day - Get daily food for thought from famous quotes >and their authors. This Shows a humorous quote from >IHeartQuotes.com, as well as several motivational quotes from >QuotationsPage.com. > >Recommended URLs - Based on a topic word, get a list of currently >popular URLs that people are saving as bookmarks via delicious.com. > >Short URL - Get a shortened version of a URL via j.mp.com, e.g., so >you can share it in a tweet and have more text to type within the >140 character limit. > >Trend Topics - Get a list of currently popular topics on Twitter via >LetsBeTrends.com. > >Url Downloads - Batch download multiple urls based on an initial >page address and the extensions of files linked to it. This puts a >space-separated list of extensions found in an input box. Edit it >so that only the extensions you want remain. The utility then puts >a list of those links in a multiple-selection listbox, showing the >link text and URL for each. The items are all selected by default, >but you can use arrow keys and Spacebar to unselect ones as >desired. The next dialog prompts for a folder for saving the files, >which will be remembered as the default choice the next time. The >utility says the name of each file as it is being downloaded. > >Virtual White Pages - Search the white pages of U.S. phone books for >listings of residential phone numbers and postal addresses via WhitePages.com. > >Weather Check - Get a summary of current and forecasted conditions >for any location via wunderground.com. This works with city, >country locations as well as U.S. zip codes. > >Xtra Word Info - Get definitions, usage examples, and origins of a >word. This shows definition and examples via Wordnik.com; synonyms >and antonyms via words.BigHugeLabs.com; and etymology via etymonline.com. > >Yahoo! Term Extractions - Get noteworthy noun phrases contained in a >web page via yahoo.com. > >Zoom Info - Search for employment contacts by name or email address >via ZoomInfo.com. From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Apr 11 19:33:28 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:33:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ready Or Not Here Comes The First Djd Invasion of April 2010 Message-ID: Greetings Everybody! They say April showers bring May Flowers, but April Sundays bring you Djd Invasion programs, and tonight is no different! The first Djd Invasion of April begins tonight starting at 8 PM eastern and goes to midnight. This evening's program will feature Some great pop rock and country Appearances from long time guest hosts Hope and Joann We'll hear from my sister Beth An announcement about a soon to be aired show on Radio360 And of course, your requests... How can you submit a request you might ask? Well it's easy. You can send them in by email, msn, or aim at the address live at radio360.us Or when the lines are open, why not make that request over the air? You can do this by telephone by dialing 1-516-717-4425 or you can use skype, which can be downloaded at http://www.skype.com and again when the lines are open, call up radio360usa to be brought live on the air! Note that if you call in by telephone, standard long distance rates apply. I'm eager to play some fun tunes tonight, so to listen, save this email, and at any time between 8 PM eastern and midnight. go to http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml to be connected. Having trouble with the link above? Run your favorite media player and in the player's open location box, type in http://fast.icastcenter.com:9001 to check it out. All the best, David Dunphy, host of The Djd Invasion http://www.radio360.us From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 11 22:29:56 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 17:29:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?NFB-NEWSLINE=AE_Delivers_Three_Million__M?= =?iso-8859-1?q?inutes_of_News_in_March?= Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org NFB-NEWSLINE® Delivers Three Million Minutes of News in March Baltimore, Maryland (April 9, 2010): The National Federation of the Blind is pleased to announce that NFB-NEWSLINE®—its free service that provides independent access by print-disabled people to hundreds of local and national publications and TV listings—delivered a record-setting three million minutes of news to its subscribers in March. NFB-NEWSLINE®'s record-setting month capped off an exciting start to 2010, including a long line of recent improvements and additions to the system. NFB-NEWSLINE® In Your Pocket—a dynamic software application for personal computers, which through an Internet connection automatically downloads the publications of a subscriber’s choice to his or her digital talking-book player—is now compatible with two more digital talking-book players, the BookSense and Book Port Plus. NFB-NEWSLINE® now offers more publications than ever before, with 317 newspapers and magazines available, which can be accessed by a number of methods: by download to a digital talking-book player, over the telephone, or on the Web. Most recently, NFB-NEWSLINE® added several prominent magazines, including the Smithsonian, Time, and The New Republic. The newest addition to the list of magazines available is Matilda Ziegler Magazine for the Blind, which contains features of specific interest to the blind. NFB-NEWSLINE® subscribers can now also administer access to their favorite publications through the NFB-NEWSLINE® Web site (www.nfbnewsline.org), deciding which publications they wish to receive by phone, via the Web site, by e-mail, or with NFB-NEWSLINE® In Your Pocket. The Web interface allows each user to maintain separate lists of favorite publications for each delivery method. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: “The record-setting number of minutes of news delivered in March clearly demonstrates that NFB-NEWSLINE® is reaching more subscribers than ever before. This vital service­­­­­—which offers the print-disabled unprecedented, round-the-clock access to news and information—continues to grow, regularly adding new publications and new features. We are extremely proud of the NFB-NEWSLINE® team for its hard work and dedication to providing the best service possible to subscribers.” NFB-NEWSLINE® allows those who cannot read conventional newsprint due to a visual or physical disability to access newspapers and magazines by download to a digital talking-book player, over the telephone, or on the Web. To learn more about NFB-NEWSLINE®, please visit www.nfbnewsline.org. Those interested in subscribing to the service may fill out the online application form, write to nfbnewsline at nfb.org, or call (866) 504-7300. In order to be eligible for NFB-NEWSLINE®, an individual must be a US resident who is legally blind or has a physical or learning disability that prevents the independent reading of newspapers. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From mikaelastevens at cableone.net Mon Apr 12 03:07:18 2010 From: mikaelastevens at cableone.net (Mikaela Stevens) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:07:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Discount for Super Shuttle for National Convention Message-ID: <0755A031B1EC47D38786BEEE41BCF3C6@MikealaPC> From: angelawolf at austin.rr.com To: nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org; members at nfb-texas.org chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:51:26 -0500 Subject: [NFBAffiliatePresidents] Discount for Super Shuttle for National Convention Hello All: The NFB of Texas has made arrangements with Super Shuttle for a convention rate from the Dallas Fortworth airport and the Dallas Love Field airport to the hotel for the convention this summer. Please see the information below . https://www.supershuttle.com/GroupRez/TripDetails.aspx?GC=ZHDX7 Attendees will receive the rates of $14 one way or $26 roundtrip when either booking online or by calling 1-800-258-3826 and referencing group code: ZHDX7 We look forward to everyone coming to Texas! Sincerely, Angela Wolf, President National Federation of the Blind of Texas From gera1027 at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 03:05:33 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:05:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting find info Self-discovery O&M method Message-ID: <014c01cadab6$308c13f0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Hi guys: for those living outside of NFB boundaries any books or info recommended on the self-discovery O&M method I've heard talked about on the lists? Can I learn it myself? How's it taught? Am I right that it has to do with using the cognitive theory in that one explores the world and creates mental schemes on his or her own? Whatever info appreciated be it books, articles or podcasts that might talk about the method, and yes my English is good enough to understand so go ahead and recommend! Gerardo From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Tue Apr 13 04:40:01 2010 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 23:40:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting find info Self-discovery O&M method References: <014c01cadab6$308c13f0$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Gerardo, The discovery method or what is commonly called structured discovery learning is a model of travel training for the blind based on the way humans beings naturally map their environments. As far as formal instruction goes, students are given lessons designed to help them discover and learn to recognize common characteristics of the environment as opposed to just being given a visual interpretation of their surroundings as in the traditional method of instruction. The idea is that the person will acquire the aability to go into any environment, familiar and unfamiliar, analyze there surroundings and travel with ease. This is indeed the approach the NFB tends to promote and is taught in all three of our training centers. There are numerous articles written about this method. One very good and perhaps the premier book on structured discovery is Richard Mettler's Cognitive Learning Theory and cane Travel Instruction: a new paradigm. If you have access to BookShare, it can be downloaded from there. Hope that helps. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" To: "BlindKids" ; "BlindStudents" Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 10:05 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting find info Self-discovery O&M method > Hi guys: for those living outside of NFB boundaries any books or info > recommended on the self-discovery O&M method I've heard talked about on > the > lists? Can I learn it myself? How's it taught? Am I right that it has to > do > with using the cognitive theory in that one explores the world and creates > mental schemes on his or her own? Whatever info appreciated be it books, > articles or podcasts that might talk about the method, and yes my English > is > good enough to understand so go ahead and recommend! > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From agrima at nbp.org Tue Apr 13 16:52:46 2010 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 12:52:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Gifts for graduates! 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Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From AZNOR99 at aol.com Tue Apr 13 23:34:44 2010 From: AZNOR99 at aol.com (AZNOR99 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:34:44 EDT Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Census Alert Message-ID: <3f2a.2c1c3903.38f65994@aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: Othman, Ronza [mailto:ROthman at nfb.org] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:46 PM Subject: Census Alert Fellow Federationists, As you know, the 2010 Census is upon us. You may have received a form in the mail from the U.S. Census Bureau in late March. All Americans are required to provide Census data under Title 13, United States Code, Sections 143 and 191. Anyone over 18 years old who refuses or willfully neglects to complete the questionnaire or answer questions posed by Census employees may be fined up to $5,000. The Census Bureau is required to safeguard information it receives and is prohibited from sharing information about individuals with anyone, including other governmental agencies. Any Census worker who shares personal information about any individual will be subject to a fine of up to $250,000, imprisonment for up to five years, or both. The information obtained through the Census may only be used for statistical purposes, including legislative redistricting and the allocation of nearly $400 billion in governmental funding to public projects such as schools, road and infrastructure construction, hospital and health care services, rehabilitation programs, and disaster preparedness projects. It is crucial that the nation's blind be counted. Blind Americans can complete the Census in a number of ways: -- By Phone: Call the Census toll free help line at 1-866-872-6868 and request a representative. A Census worker will complete the Census Short Form over the phone between April 12 and 21. You may be asked for your 20-digit Census Identification Number, which is located on the bar code below your mailing label. The U.S. Census will likely continue to receive telephone submissions after April 21, but fewer representatives will be available to take data in this manner. -- At Home: You may schedule a home visit by a Census worker by calling (toll free) 1-866-872-6868. Census workers will be deployed to conduct home visits in May and June. Though the U.S. Census attempts to send representatives to every home that failed to mail in a form, it is unlikely they will reach every American. Thus scheduling a visit by calling the Help Line guarantees a visit to your home. -- In Person: Individuals can visit Census Questionnaire Centers in person for assistance with completing their forms. To locate your local office, visit http://2010.census.gov/2010census/take10map/bcqac-textview.php and enter your zip code. -- As a Group: chapters and affiliates can request that a Census Partnership Specialist conduct a Census workshop and provide survey completion assistance for a group. Individuals will be required to bring the Census form they received in the mail because it lists their Census Identification Numbers below the bar code on the address label. To find your local Census Partnership Office, visit http://2010.census.gov/2010census/take10map/bcqac-textview.php . I urge every federationist to take advantage of one of the alternate methods for completing the Census as quickly as possible. As equal, contributing members of society, we must be counted. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact me using the information below. Regards, Ronza M. Othman, Esq. Government Programs Specialist National Federation of the Blind Phone: (410) 659-9314, extension 2374 Email: rothman at nfb.org RMO/wmb -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CensusAlert.doc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 32256 bytes Desc: not available URL: From PDiggs at nfb.org Wed Apr 14 09:02:15 2010 From: PDiggs at nfb.org (Diggs, Parnell) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:02:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Imagination Fund Conference Call April 20, 2010 at 8:00 PM EST Message-ID: Subject: Imagination Fund Conference Call Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern) Dear Colleagues: Some of my fellow Federationists have asked me to conduct a fundraising seminar for those participating in the 2010 Race for Independence. The Dallas Convention is approaching fast, and we need to kick it into high gear for the final push to generate proceeds for NFB programs at the national, state, and local levels. If you have signed-up for the Race for Independence, or if you plan to do so, please call into (800) 910-2399 and use code 573791 next Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern). The call will last no longer than thirty minutes. During this brief call, you will be able to hear from some of those who have already met their fundraising goals for 2010. Find out how they did it. There is ample time to raise $250 by July 31, but we need to start now. I look forward to your participation in this important call, and I thank you for the work you are doing. Sincerely, Parnell Diggs, Chairman National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund *********************************** Parnell and Kim Diggs 8845-B Chandler Dr. Myrtle Beach, SC 29575 Home: 843-215-9056 Parnell office: 843-492-7411 Fax: 843-215-4928 From JFreeh at nfb.org Wed Apr 14 09:13:17 2010 From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh, Jessica) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:13:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind to Present Third Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Message-ID: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind to Present Third Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Tom Perez and Former Congressman Tony Coelho to be Keynote Speakers Baltimore, Maryland (April 13, 2010): The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) will present the third Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium on April 15–16, 2010, at the NFB Jernigan Institute in Baltimore. The symposium, entitled “Equality, Difference, and The Right to Live in the World” and named for NFB founder and pioneering legal scholar Dr. Jacobus tenBroek (1911–1968), will gather public officials, legal scholars, and disability rights advocates for a two-day seminar on the state of disability law in the United States and the world, and will discuss how disability rights may be advanced in the future. Tom Perez, assistant attorney general for the civil rights division of the U.S. Department of Justice, and Tony Coelho, former California congressman and current chairman of the board of the American Association of People with Disabilities, will be the keynote speakers. “Our first two Jacobus tenBroek symposiums were extraordinary events, and we are looking forward to once again hosting leading players and thinkers in the disability community,” said Dr. Marc Maurer, an attorney and President of the National Federation of the Blind. “Disability law is rapidly changing at the national and international level, and this forum will provide an opportunity for everyone to assess developments and plan strategies in this dynamic and critically-important field.” Other presenters at the 2010 symposium include the Honorable Richard Brown, chief judge of the Wisconsin Court of Appeals; Mark Weber, Vincent DePaul Professor of Law at DePaul University College of Law; and Dan Brock, director of the division of medical ethics at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Jacobus tenBroek was a constitutional law scholar, a blind professor at Berkeley, and an author of treatises on the Fourteenth Amendment and social welfare. Dr. tenBroek created the concept that civil rights should apply to disabled Americans, and he published extensively on the application of the law to those with disabilities. His efforts to advance civil rights for the blind and others with disabilities included drafting the model White Cane Law, which has had a profound influence on the development of civil rights laws for the disabled throughout the United States, and publishing authoritative articles like “The Right to Live in the World: The Disabled in the Law of Torts.” The proceedings of the symposium will be published in the Texas Journal on Civil Liberties and Civil Rights. For more information about the National Federation of the Blind, please visit www.nfb.org. ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. From dandrews at visi.com Wed Apr 14 09:17:53 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 04:17:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Sad news about passing of Talks developer (fwd) Message-ID: > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) >From: Jamal Mazrui >Reply-To: programmingblind at freelists.org >To: ProgrammingBlind at freelists.org >Subject: Sad news about passing of Talks developer > >-----Forwarded Message----- >From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com >[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Neil >Barnfather - eHosting Limited >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:25 PM >To: 'Talks Mailing List'; talks-uk at freelists.org; 'The Accessible >Phones Discussion List' >Subject: Officially from Nuance > >Dear All, > >It is with regrettable sadness that I am having to write to you to >confirm that Marcus Groeber has confirmed to me the sad news to >which we've been discussing. > >Aged 47 years, Torsten Brand sadly passed away during a routine >operation yesterday. > >At this stage very little else is known other than to say the >obvious; Torsten alongside Marcus were true pioneers in the world of >accessible technology for the blind community. Much is owed to their >efforts and activities spanning the past decade and we all have much >by way of appreciation owing to them both. > >Torsten was a genuine and inspirational individual who will be >missed by us all. > >If further information is forth coming I will pass this on to you. > >Regards. > >Neil Barnfather >TalkNav > > > >-----Forwarded Message----- >From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com >[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen > >Less than a decade ago, the only way a blind person could send a >text message was through a website, or by connecting some models of >phone to a computer. Less than a decade ago, the only way a blind >person could navigate the menus and change settings on their phone >was to memorise the sequences of key presses required, or carry >around a Braille cheat sheet. And then, two brilliant people began >collaborating. Marcus Groeber and Torsten Brand formed Brand and >Groeber communications, and they got our phones talking. > >The original Talx, yes it was spelled with an X in those days, >worked on the Nokia communicator, a PDA device with a qwerty >keyboard. Later however, Talks was released for S60 phones. In 2003, >I purchased a Nokia 6600, and I'll never forget the phone starting >up after I'd installed Talks. It was almost unreal. After 13 years >of not being able to use all the features of my phone and really set >it up the way I wanted, my phone was truly accessible. He made this >dream a reality for blind people all over the world, in numerous languages. > >Those very early versions of Talks were somewhat sluggish, and had >numerous issues. But we stuck with it because we knew it was ground >breaking technology. Over the years, Marcus and tenacious Torsten >kept at it, to the point that Talks is now a very robust, reliable, >speedy solution. > >Talks became so successful that eventually it was acquired by Nuance >Communications, who thankfully kept Torsten and Marcus on to manage >and develop the product. > >In looking back at the email correspondence I've had with Torsten >over the years, and the times we've met up to chat or have dinner, a >few words come to mind. Thoughtful, intelligent, committed, good >fun, and great company with that distinctive German accent of his, >when we'd catch up at CSUN or some other conference. > >As a blind guy himself, Torsten used the product he managed every >day. I have always believed this makes a big difference. It is >reflected in the power, and elegant user interface of Talks. Talks >gets an awful lot done, very simply, with in many cases only a >number pad and a few other keys to work with. He took user interface >and efficiency extremely seriously, sometimes considering esoteric >issues like how many syllables a prompt contained, because as a >speech user himself, he knew all of that stuff mattered. Most >recently, he and Marcus worked together on a very elegant >implementation of an accessible interface for the S60 Fifth Edition >touch phones. > >Torsten was in his prime, with many more great ideas on which he and >Marcus would have collaborated. His passing is a tragedy for the >blind community. > >Let's not also forget, Torsten was a husband, and a dad. There are >two things I send to Torsten's family. Firstly my sincere >condolences. But secondly, I send my deep appreciation. The work >Torsten did changed lives for the better. If you can leave this >world a better place than you found it, in whatever endeavour you >pursue, your life has been worthwhile. Torsten led a most >worthwhile, and worthy life. He has earned his place in the history >of assistive technology. > >Ever since I heard the news of Torsten's death, every time I pick up >my Nokia handset, so much more powerful than the first one Torsten >helped to make accessible, I pause, and say a little thank you to him. >You will be missed Torsten. From Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com Wed Apr 14 21:30:36 2010 From: Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com (Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:30:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws Message-ID: Hello to all I have a friend who wants to go to school for medical billing. Does anyone know if Jaws will work with any medical billing program? If so I would like the name of the program. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Apr 14 23:10:20 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 19:10:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes Message-ID: Hi all, I have a VR stream and am enjoying the NLS downloads because they are clear quality and you can keep them. I have also recorded a number of notes on it. Can anyone explain how you transfer and convert your audio notes to the computer? I know you convert them to WAV files. But where do you play them on the computer? How would you get them from the Humanware stream companion to another to somewhere else you can play them on the computer? Also I noticed they are not labeled, just marked with numbers. Is there a way to label these audio files so you know what is what when you see them in the companion? Thanks! Ashley From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 00:18:56 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:18:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes References: Message-ID: <0E8CAFE6778044C28759F5E4F111032F@hometwxakonvzn> Ashley, I've just downloaded Skype talking, and its amazing! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 7:10 PM Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes > Hi all, > > I have a VR stream and am enjoying the NLS downloads because they are > clear quality and you can keep them. I have also recorded a number of > notes on it. > > Can anyone explain how you transfer and convert your audio notes to the > computer? I know you convert them to WAV files. But where do you play > them on the computer? How would you get them from the Humanware stream > companion to another to somewhere else you can play them on the computer? > Also I noticed they are not labeled, just marked with numbers. Is there a > way to label these audio files so you know what is what when you see them > in the companion? > > Thanks! > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 01:05:08 2010 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:05:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Internet Exlporer/JAWS help Message-ID: To anyone who can help me out - I recently got a laptop with Windows 7, JAWS 10 and Internet Explorer 8. I have found that JAWS does not announce the file name when I try to do attachments through gmail, instead it says "not selected" for all of the file names as I down arrow down. I have looked on the help with JAWS but am at a loss. Has anyone else had this problem and more importantly, how do I get JAWS to speak the name of the files with this configuration? I can't be the first person who has come across this issue. Thank you in advance, Nathan Clark From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 15 01:12:33 2010 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:12:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes References: Message-ID: <3F757254A87A457E856AF16935078B10@stanford.edu> I can look up the exact steps later, but you need to download the companion software from the hw website. You need some way to attach the sd card or the stream to the computer. Once in the program, on the notes tab, you select where the notes are on the sd card and specify a location on the computer to which to save the notes. There will be a list of your notes, each note having a checkbox. Select the notes that you want and then use the buttons to do different things, such as convert, play, and remove. Once you have converted them, then you can rename them. Just be careful not to remove the notes before you have saved them. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:10 PM Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes > Hi all, > > I have a VR stream and am enjoying the NLS downloads because they are > clear quality and you can keep them. I have also recorded a number of > notes on it. > > Can anyone explain how you transfer and convert your audio notes to the > computer? I know you convert them to WAV files. But where do you play > them on the computer? How would you get them from the Humanware stream > companion to another to somewhere else you can play them on the computer? > Also I noticed they are not labeled, just marked with numbers. Is there a > way to label these audio files so you know what is what when you see them > in the companion? > > Thanks! > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 15 01:58:48 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 21:58:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes References: <3F757254A87A457E856AF16935078B10@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <8D74F930D5E54C20B5B379F0FEB60AA5@Ashley> Hello, I have the Companion. I saw the check boxes by each file. Can you convert several files at once? Also where do you play them? Windows media player? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] VR stream notes >I can look up the exact steps later, but you need to download the companion >software from the hw website. You need some way to attach the sd card or >the stream to the computer. Once in the program, on the notes tab, you >select where the notes are on the sd card and specify a location on the >computer to which to save the notes. There will be a list of your notes, >each note having a checkbox. Select the notes that you want and then use >the buttons to do different things, such as convert, play, and remove. >Once you have converted them, then you can rename them. Just be careful >not to remove the notes before you have saved them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:10 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes > > >> Hi all, >> >> I have a VR stream and am enjoying the NLS downloads because they are >> clear quality and you can keep them. I have also recorded a number of >> notes on it. >> >> Can anyone explain how you transfer and convert your audio notes to the >> computer? I know you convert them to WAV files. But where do you play >> them on the computer? How would you get them from the Humanware stream >> companion to another to somewhere else you can play them on the computer? >> Also I noticed they are not labeled, just marked with numbers. Is there >> a way to label these audio files so you know what is what when you see >> them in the companion? >> >> Thanks! >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 15 03:02:09 2010 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:02:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes References: <3F757254A87A457E856AF16935078B10@stanford.edu> <8D74F930D5E54C20B5B379F0FEB60AA5@Ashley> Message-ID: Oh, yes. I record my classes, and, time being what it is, I often don't upload my notes for about a week. I've done more than 30 at once. It takes a little while, but don't worry about it; just ignore the progress sound. Yes, you can use Windows Media Player to play them. Go to http://www.nch.com.au/switch/index.html to get the audio file format converter called Switch. You will want to convert the .wav files to .mp3 files because they take up a lot less space. Just make sure that you check the encoding settings in Switch to make sure that they are as high as they will go so that you do not lose any sound. You can email me off list if you need more instructions. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] VR stream notes > Hello, > I have the Companion. I saw the check boxes by each file. > Can you convert several files at once? Also where do you play them? > Windows media player? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:12 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] VR stream notes > > >>I can look up the exact steps later, but you need to download the >>companion software from the hw website. You need some way to attach the >>sd card or the stream to the computer. Once in the program, on the notes >>tab, you select where the notes are on the sd card and specify a location >>on the computer to which to save the notes. There will be a list of your >>notes, each note having a checkbox. Select the notes that you want and >>then use the buttons to do different things, such as convert, play, and >>remove. Once you have converted them, then you can rename them. Just be >>careful not to remove the notes before you have saved them. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 4:10 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] VR stream notes >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a VR stream and am enjoying the NLS downloads because they are >>> clear quality and you can keep them. I have also recorded a number of >>> notes on it. >>> >>> Can anyone explain how you transfer and convert your audio notes to the >>> computer? I know you convert them to WAV files. But where do you play >>> them on the computer? How would you get them from the Humanware stream >>> companion to another to somewhere else you can play them on the >>> computer? Also I noticed they are not labeled, just marked with numbers. >>> Is there a way to label these audio files so you know what is what when >>> you see them in the companion? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Thu Apr 15 14:58:05 2010 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:58:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Hi, Is that like medical transcription? Sarah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:31 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws Hello to all I have a friend who wants to go to school for medical billing. Does anyone know if Jaws will work with any medical billing program? If so I would like the name of the program. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com Thu Apr 15 22:22:35 2010 From: Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com (Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:22:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws In-Reply-To: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> References: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Yes -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah Jevnikar" Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:58 AM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > Hi, > Is that like medical transcription? > Sarah > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:31 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > > Hello to all > I have a friend who wants to go to school for medical billing. Does anyone > know if Jaws will work with any medical billing program? If so I would > like > the name of the program. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > ronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lavar.phillips%40hotmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Apr 15 23:47:56 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:47:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NIB Business Fellowship Applications Due April 20 Message-ID: >> >>Colleagues, >> >>Once every two years a small crop of individuals is selected for an >>outstanding fellowship in business leadership development. Each >>fellow is paid roughly $40,000 per year while studying and the >>upside career potential has been very solid. The San Francisco >>Lighthouse is particularly interested in seeing qualified blind >>individuals succeed at this program but the deadline is fast >>approaching, closing Tuesday April 20th. >> >>Please see some information below my signature and follow the link >>to read more and apply. >> >>Bryan Bashin >>CEO > >San Francisco Lighthouse for the Blind > > > >>Fellowship for Leadership Development >>The Fellowship for Leadership Development is a salaried, two-year >>track that combines >>business-focused, on-the-job experience with formal management training. >>The overall goal of the NIB Fellowship is for successful fellows to >>land professional >>and upwardly mobile managerial positions within our network of >>associated nonprofit >>businesses and the broader business community. >>The new Fellowship cycle will begin September 2010. Legally blind >>individuals who >>have an undergraduate degree or higher, work experience, and >>passion for business >>are invited to apply. Fellows are selected based on academic >>achievement, experience, >>motivation, references and interviews. >>Application deadline: April 20, 2010. >>For the Fellowship Frequently Asked Questions in Word 2007, please >>click here >>. For the Word 97-2003 version, >>click here >>. >>Please read FAQs before applying. >>For the Fellowship Application Form in Word 2007, please >>click here >>. For the Word 97-2003 version, >>click here >>. >>Already eight fellows have completed the Fellowship since 2003 and have >> moved to management jobs, gaining financial independence and, as >> business leaders, >>have added value at all levels of the workplace and society. The >>current four fellows, >>who will complete in April 2010, are on the path to achieve the same success. >>NIB expects to see more people who are blind in upper-level >>management and leadership >>positions, both within NIB's network and in the broader business community. >>To read what fellows are saying about their experience after they >>complete the NIB >>Fellowship, >>click here >>. >>For questions, contact Sandy Finley at >>fellowship at nib.org >> or >> 703.310.0506 >> >> >> >> >>http://www.nib.org/index.php?p=s&s=fellowship-&sm=t&mid=business-leade >>rs-program > From kramc11 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 00:25:32 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:25:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access In-Reply-To: References: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Any system access experts out there? I was wondering if it is possible to run skype with system access? Thanks for your help From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Fri Apr 16 00:30:50 2010 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (Sarah Jevnikar) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:30:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws In-Reply-To: References: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <000101cadcfc$111cf460$3356dd20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> There's an MT on another mailing list that I'm on; I'll ask her what software she uses. Would that help? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about jaws Yes -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah Jevnikar" Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:58 AM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > Hi, > Is that like medical transcription? > Sarah > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:31 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > > Hello to all > I have a friend who wants to go to school for medical billing. Does anyone > know if Jaws will work with any medical billing program? If so I would > like > the name of the program. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > ronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lavar.phillips%40hot mail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto ronto.ca From valandkayla at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 01:18:43 2010 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 21:18:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416011843.3107.24402@web3> Yes, it's possible. ^^ -- "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 03:00:05 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:00:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access References: <20100416011843.3107.24402@web3> Message-ID: <3D4623750CBC427185A159D4335D9EAC@hometwxakonvzn> Are you on skype Vallary? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie" To: Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about system access > Yes, it's possible. ^^ > > -- > "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - > _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 04:29:38 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:29:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access In-Reply-To: <3D4623750CBC427185A159D4335D9EAC@hometwxakonvzn> References: <20100416011843.3107.24402@web3> <3D4623750CBC427185A159D4335D9EAC@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Hi All: I have a similiar question about system access. Does anyone know if it supports the newest AOL Instant Messenger 7.2? I'm thinking about getting system access and was trying it out but couldn't get it to work with AIM. Kerri On 4/15/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: > Are you on skype Vallary? RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about system access > > >> Yes, it's possible. ^^ >> >> -- >> "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - >> _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth >> >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From jess28 at samobile.net Fri Apr 16 10:16:35 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:16:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416101635.22107.66871@web1> Mark, It is quite possible to use System Access with Skype. I'm actually using it as my screen reader at the moment. In fact this reply is coming to you from their email system. Jessica -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Fri Apr 16 11:07:11 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 07:07:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416110711.25488.63392@web2> I don't know about the AIM client that AOL uses, but SA does have a built-in chat client that supports AIM. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi All: > I have a similiar question about system access. > Does anyone know if it supports the newest AOL Instant Messenger 7.2? > I'm thinking about getting system access and was trying it out but > couldn't get it to work with AIM. > Kerri > On 4/15/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: >> Are you on skype Vallary? RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Valerie" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about system access >>> Yes, it's possible. ^^ >>> -- >>> "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - >>> _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From kramc11 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 12:36:33 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:36:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access In-Reply-To: <20100416101635.22107.66871@web1> References: <20100416101635.22107.66871@web1> Message-ID: <496DD1F09CE54B7B9537A94B8F023D0F@SonyPC> I was just testing out the program, so by no miens am I an expert on its operation. I don't know if it is the version of Skype I am currently using, or if I am doing something wrong, but it is not working. Any suggestions? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jessica" To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about system access > Mark, > > It is quite possible to use System Access with Skype. I'm actually using > it as my screen reader at the moment. In fact this reply is coming to you > from their email system. > Jessica > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Fri Apr 16 13:08:46 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:08:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416130846.25110.93267@web1> There was an SA podcast done some time ago that explains how to use SA with Skype. I think it's located at http://www.serotalk.com. Give that a look and see if that helps. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I was just testing out the program, so by no miens am I an expert on its > operation. I don't know if it is the version of Skype I am currently using, > or if I am doing something wrong, but it is not working. Any suggestions? > thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jessica" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:16 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about system access >> Mark, >> It is quite possible to use System Access with Skype. I'm actually using >> it as my screen reader at the moment. In fact this reply is coming to you >> from their email system. >> Jessica >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From valandkayla at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 15:34:47 2010 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:34:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416153447.28195.99273@web1> Yes. I use a mac, and i have vmWare to run windows on it. While i was finding and getting used to all of the new progrms, and slowly easing my way into pragams with the mac vs. windows, i used skype on the windows side of the mac. My windows screen reader of choice is SA. sorry for making this post longer than it needs to be; i just hate opening an email and only seing one word so thought i'd give my explanation as well. -- "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From valandkayla at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 15:37:01 2010 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:37:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416153701.25623.47377@web2> I haven't heard good things about the accessibility of the new aol mesenger, but this is from jaws users. it may be different with SA, and this isn't fact, just what i've heard. Sorry i could not beof any more help to you. -- "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From valandkayla at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 15:40:07 2010 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:40:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access Message-ID: <20100416154007.23240.66690@web1> Make sure you have th latest version. maybe...in tools and accessibility, check the extended key board navigation? i've got my windows one set that way, and i don't know if it makes a diference, but it works for me. -- "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From kramc11 at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 16:29:07 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:29:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access In-Reply-To: <20100416153447.28195.99273@web1> References: <20100416153447.28195.99273@web1> Message-ID: I can tell by the various posts that it is possible, but I can't figure out how to make it work. Especially for the text IM feature. Is there any sort of instructions or tutorial to help me? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie" To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about system access > Yes. I use a mac, and i have vmWare to run windows on it. While i was > finding and getting used to all of the new progrms, and slowly easing my > way into pragams with the mac vs. windows, i used skype on the windows > side of the mac. My windows screen reader of choice is SA. > > sorry for making this post longer than it needs to be; i just hate > opening an email and only seing one word so thought i'd give my > explanation as well. > > -- > "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - > _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com Fri Apr 16 20:12:56 2010 From: Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com (Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:12:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws In-Reply-To: <000101cadcfc$111cf460$3356dd20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> References: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> <000101cadcfc$111cf460$3356dd20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: Yes it would thank you -------------------------------------------------- From: "Sarah Jevnikar" Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 8:30 PM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > There's an MT on another mailing list that I'm on; I'll ask her what > software she uses. Would that help? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > > Yes > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Sarah Jevnikar" > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:58 AM > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about jaws > >> Hi, >> Is that like medical transcription? >> Sarah >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Lavar.phillips at hotmail.com >> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:31 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about jaws >> >> Hello to all >> I have a friend who wants to go to school for medical billing. Does >> anyone >> know if Jaws will work with any medical billing program? If so I would >> like >> the name of the program. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto >> ronto.ca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lavar.phillips%40hot > mail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40uto > ronto.ca > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lavar.phillips%40hotmail.com > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 00:26:17 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:26:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access In-Reply-To: <20100416154007.23240.66690@web1> References: <20100416154007.23240.66690@web1> Message-ID: Hi: I don't remember what podcast it was, but there was a podcast done on using Skype with System Access. You can find it at serotalk.com. I know they talked about having the latest version, I think it's 4.2 and you had to change some settings to make it work best but I forget what those are. Can you do Facebook chat through Samnet? I really like the new aim 7.2 because you can do Facebook chat accessibly right through the client with Jaws...so can you do the same thing with Samnet? Thanks, Kerri On 4/16/10, Valerie wrote: > Make sure you have th latest version. maybe...in tools and > accessibility, check the extended key board navigation? i've got my > windows one set that way, and i don't know if it makes a diference, but > it works for me. > > -- > "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" - Richard Rahl - > _Confessor - _Sword of _Truth > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Apr 19 00:39:58 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 17:39:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software Message-ID: <20100419003958.GC79768@yumi.bluecherry.net> Hi nabsters! I am looking at the need to set up a web-based bulletin board, and I want to use one that is friendly for screen readers. I figure most of them will work passingly well, but since its primary users will not necessarily be blind, so they're going to want things like smiley graphics and the like to work the way they'd expect. College students are more likely to use them than computer science people, I figure, so you guys will know which ones are most friendly far better than the guys over on the CS list. If you don't know the software involved, I can figure that out with a link to the site. I appreciate the help! Thanks, Joseph From PDiggs at nfb.org Mon Apr 19 23:38:23 2010 From: PDiggs at nfb.org (Diggs, Parnell) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:38:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM EST Message-ID: Dear Colleagues: Some of my fellow Federationists have asked me to conduct a fundraising seminar for those participating in the 2010 Race for Independence. The Dallas Convention is approaching fast, and we need to kick it into high gear for the final push to generate proceeds for NFB programs at the national, state, and local levels. If you have signed-up for the Race for Independence, or if you plan to do so, please call into (800) 910-2399 and use code 573791 tomorrow night, Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern). The call will last no longer than thirty minutes. During this brief call, you will be able to hear from some of those who have already met their fundraising goals for 2010. Find out how they did it. There is ample time to raise $250 by July 31, but we need to start now. I look forward to your participation in this important call, and I thank you for the work you are doing. Sincerely, Parnell Diggs, Chairman National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund From ryano218 at comcast.net Tue Apr 20 01:32:10 2010 From: ryano218 at comcast.net (RyanO) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:32:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New List for Blind Conservatives Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: Dave In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to reach out to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to come speak at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of disability issues. We already had a rep from the Obama campaign in the person of one of our members, who was an official Obama surrogate. After several days of phone tag, I was informed that the McCain camp would not be sending a representative to speak to us. The reason I was given was because, "Obama was just too far ahead on disability issues." I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt. We tried to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we didn't matter. To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was to quit being a conservative and jump ship over to the other side. The second option was to get more actively involved and to make our voices heard on all levels. Anyone who knows me knows that option one was not an option. To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires. It is primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is welcome on this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the spirit of the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and discussion fosters a more vibrant society for all of its members. Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I plan to turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information, please Email me at ryano218 at comcast.net Thank you for your time and attention. RyanO From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 02:28:52 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:28:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Not Just Your Average Cane In-Reply-To: <04AC544B5C23482BA021D7E070CDA5A4@Rufus> References: <04AC544B5C23482BA021D7E070CDA5A4@Rufus> Message-ID: <20100420022851.GI90257@yumi.bluecherry.net> Catching up on piles of email, I saw this thread. I can already see Joe Orozco wearing a giant talking watch around his neck. In all seriousness (or at least some seriousness), aside from the specific legal status afforded to a cane that is specifically white in many jurisdictions, I see no reason why one couldn't have one or more canes that reflect your personality. In my case, I can picture one with a more ivory gloss finish, a leather grip, and polished steel cap with a satin finish. It would be exactly the sort of cane I would take to more upscale events and the like. That said, finding a good way to treat the chips and scratches my general every day working cane is subjected to would be a good start. I've seen a number of rigid NFB canes that have gotten so much use that the bottom foot or so are graphite black because the white coating has completely chipped away. Not exactly what I want when I want to look my best! And yes, the big talking watch for Joe to wear around his neck should have that [CENSORED] rooster alarm. Joseph On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:33:56PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >Hi Mark, > >Having started the thread, I feel compelled to respond to your thoughtful >post. It goes without say that people's opinions here do not reflect any >official NFB positions, and I honestly doubt the NFB would genuinely care if >all its members suddenly decided to sport a wide range of colorfully >decorated canes. I think Dr. Maurer would probably find the concept >amusing, and doesn't Whozit sport a black cane in our logo? That fellow was >far ahead of the curve. > >For my own part, I'm headed to Michael's sometime soon to embark upon a >project to transform my own cane into the walking wonder I know it can be. >I think that in doing so I would do well to use a measure of practical >sense. Security checkpoints at airports and federal buildings would >probably not look kindly on a cane that is different from what is popularly >accepted. We can't expect the world to automatically get that blind people >have their own sense of pizzazz, and by the same token, we can't expect >people to pick up on the fact we're blind at night if using something as >obscure as a black cane, even though I agree with the previous subscriber >that motorists should respect pedestrians with or without this new breed of >eye candy. > >I'm glad people pointed out the jurisdictions that specifically call for the >cane to be white. In asking my question, sarcasm notwithstanding, I was not >really setting out to violate laws that are meant to preserve my safety, but >I do not want these laws to tuck me away into a label that can be every bit >as condescending as terms like "handicapped." If senior citizens can sport >all manner of creatively designed walking canes, by golly, I want my own >mode of transportation to broadcast my own sense of humor. It's not as if I >can smack a bumper sticker on my German shepherd's butt and call it good, >although, can you imagine the wide range of clever slogans one could produce >with that kind of strategic angle? > >All of this having been said, I spent nearly a year working on behalf of >victims of human trafficking. I learned all about the negative connotations >associated with words like "pimping," and for using that term to catch your >attention, I am truly sorry. > >In summation, I think the responses on both lists to which the question went >out has been mostly positive. It's no scientific survey, but I think it is >at least slightly indicative of the membership's willingness to explore the >idea or at least humor my nonsense. People who have given more >straight-laced responses are no doubt secretly glad they're not the only >ones who thought of this, because original this idea is most certainly not. >Let's leave out the references to accessible currency and other >controversial topics out of it this time around. We debate those serious >issues all the time and should enjoy the all too infrequent light banter. > >Best, > >Joe Orozco and the Soon to Be Improved Sir Tap-A-Lot > >What, as if you haven't ever thought of giving your cane a name??? > >"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, >some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > >-----Original Message----- >From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk >Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:51 PM >To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pimp My Cane > >I'm following this thread, and I know a large percentage of the folks >here are NFB members; I personally a not, nor any organization, for >that matter. I find a bit of hypocrisy in this discussion: First the >NFB rails against things like audible cross walk signals and so on, >claiming that the blind don't need them, that it's not what the blind >"want," whatever. Same with identifiable currency. Now, however, I >hear a bunch of the same people saying, in effect, "I want to carry a >symbol of blindness! I want to proclaim my blindness to everyone so >that they can alter their behaviors appropriately in recognition of >the fact that I'm blind!" I should think the true spirit of the NFB >might be to use a black cane and give no indication whatsoever of >blindness, except on a purely voluntary basis. I just don't >understand this. > >Mark BurningHawk >Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >Namaste! > > >_______________________________________________ >blindlaw mailing list >blindlaw at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for blindlaw: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsoroz >co%40gmail.com > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4980 (20100328) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From warren.mercy at hotmail.com Tue Apr 20 03:34:01 2010 From: warren.mercy at hotmail.com (Candice Chapman) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:34:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question Message-ID: Dear NABS members, I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. Best, Candice Chapman P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At first, I was going to protest but decided against it because after all it just meant my mother would be sitting together and apparently the person who was in the seat beside my mother willingly moved. I could have and maybe should have spoken up on the issue more but it seemed minor and nobody seemed to be bothered by it so I decided that battle wasn't one worth fighting. However, I do not agree with a person trying to take my cane no matter the situation. I would object to this and would not let it happen, but I would try as hard as I could to state my points and objections as politely as possible and try very hard not to cause a huge sceen. Just my opinion. Kerri On 4/19/10, Candice Chapman wrote: > > Dear NABS members, > > I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the test. > I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we got > into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted > upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with mine > since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight cane > would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal > confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on my > part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was finally > mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder if > there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to mind > an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The > Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the > Nickel." > > How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more delicately? > In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you > could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation > worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than > taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg NFB > philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above > confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the importance > of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. > > Best, > Candice Chapman > > P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 06:57:01 2010 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:57:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question References: Message-ID: Candice: what a great thought provoking article and question. In my opinion, being confrontational isn't always productive. I've dealt with overly-helpful flight attendants' a few times who wanted to stow my cane somewhere else rather than let me put it along the window. Once I did allow my cane to be placed in a nearby closet and had no problem having it returned if I needed to use it, but I generally try to calmly explain that my cane will not be a bother to the other passengers and the importance of having it close by. I look forward to reading other responses. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Candice Chapman" To: Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:34 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question Dear NABS members, I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. Best, Candice Chapman P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > From brileyp at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:32:04 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:32:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> Good morning, I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the situation. The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take our mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets a bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional tone when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's of a certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she could've handled it in a calmer way. The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think than having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the airplane rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about change. Just my 10 cents. BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: > > Dear NABS members, > > I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." > > How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. > > Best, > Candice Chapman > > P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From jbahm at pcdesk.net Tue Apr 20 14:53:43 2010 From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:53:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software In-Reply-To: <20100419003958.GC79768@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20100419003958.GC79768@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <4BCDBFF7.9030509@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 There are several solutions available actually. What you should do precisely depends on your exact needs. If you could answer a couple questions I could probably recommend something. 1. Are you looking for a hosted solution or do you have control over the web server where your site is located? 2. What functions are you looking for precisely? Are you just looking for forums, or do you want a content management system that also happens to have forum functionality? 3. Do you have a particular platform said software needs to work with? Windows or Linux, Python or PHP, etc? - -- Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? Joseph C. Lininger, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJLzb/3AAoJEMh8jNraUiwquDgH/3uYAOfpl/24fT/6cLWIfLaK p/HXTs7J7OsYhcneaEru+2lVlH3MGG+8P6NaORsCBN63bnskeZeYDwtidFPZ5aW+ QymdFvAFs7Z7YdHESSvsjrtYsbnE06L0D/OVFLIFHRZ41FeG1ymfaikofj94XzIN WykQoafeyqHg3a19hzdS97oLq59Revtjxl1rEAWXEmWlZ9x9OnJM6F91fmSZVXHY LctdUVg3rHs8gcB9yIjyn7FBAGmkQFq51gmVLK3hp9PInaCahXIqzr4NOIuoul5s IC46edsMm+MaRqPwbkWif466iX4EwVpyLNs7pr/0qBpoDSFSWeO/cR5RSFTH7xo= =3gXa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 15:32:34 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:32:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello all, My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as somebody insisting in helping you across the street). Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the blind? if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the Federation community/family? Best, Darian On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > Good morning, > > I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the situation. > The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take our > mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets a > bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the > future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional tone > when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist > that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's of a > certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend > should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she could've > handled it in a calmer way. > > The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think than > having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the > kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the airplane > rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and > professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about change. > > Just my 10 cents. > > BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: > >> >> Dear NABS members, >> >> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and >> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem >> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, >> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >> >> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in >> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a >> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your >> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >> >> >> Best, >> Candice Chapman >> >> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your help! To Get Involved go to: www.TeachBlindStudents.org From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 17:48:03 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:48:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would do in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs would be greatly appreciated. From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:45:03 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:45:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look for obstacles. Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong graphite cane. The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume that we're all alike *eyeroll* I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, but I don't always have the time. Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group to grab an extra snack for me. My two cents, Jewel On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello all, > My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by > handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. > While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a > second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at > what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. > I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and > long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes > one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as > somebody insisting in helping you across the street). > Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the > good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my > long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness > to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's > easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, > do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to > get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question > that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of > blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the > ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the > blind? > if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a > thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the > Federation community/family? > Best, > Darian > > > On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the situation. >> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >> our >> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets a >> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional tone >> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's of >> a >> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she could've >> handled it in a calmer way. >> >> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think than >> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the >> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >> airplane >> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >> change. >> >> Just my 10 cents. >> >> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and >>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem >>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>> constraint, >>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>> >>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>> in >>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a >>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your >>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>> people. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Candice Chapman >>> >>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > Skype: The_Blind_Truth > Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com > The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher > recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate > individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your > help! To Get Involved go to: > www.TeachBlindStudents.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:54:43 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:54:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: I apologize; I didn't really answer the originial message. I only saw the latest reply. So, now I'll answer that. I had a situation about four months ago that was similar. I was getting into a taxi with my straight cane (it was one of the good days that I could use it, and had a friend on standby), and the driver said "Those canes keep ruining my roof. I'll put it in the back for you (meaning behind the seats in the van)." I said, "I am careful with my cane; it will not touch the roof. I have to keep my cane nearby." She reached for my cane and we actually had a momentary struggle over it, as I stood my ground and would not let go of the cane. I did not yell, curse, or any such. I did not get obnoxious. I simply stood there holding my cane, refusing to let it go. Her only options were to stand there and try to take it away, let me keep it and let me get in, or let me keep it and drive away. We all know what would have happened if she drove away (this being a taxi in the paratransit program)...she would have had hell to pay. And if she had continued to try to take it, I would have continued to stand there and grip it tight, and my friend would have helped if need be. I acted like the cane was glued to my hand. So, she finally gave up, said "Fine!" and got in the driver's seat and waited for me to get in. I'll tell you, though, I was *extra* careful to store the cane without even touching the roof of the van, and she seemed to relax as she saw this (Of course, my cane is pretty short, as I am 5 foot 3. So, for someone in an airport, I would suggest simply holding on tight to the cane and refuse to retreat or give up the cane. Eventually, they will give in and allow you the cane. Of course, I have a lot of patience and stubbornness, so I can do this...I don't know if others would be willing to do it. ~Jewel On 4/20/10, Jewel S. wrote: > I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > > I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but > that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a > sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow > a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk > because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my > boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I > *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my > cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we > make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more > vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good > as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I > stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people > will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or > accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk > on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be > walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than > I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that > is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does > it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do > walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I > would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm > the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look > for obstacles. > > Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane > as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight > cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to > worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, > because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal > preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do > is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than > graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance > and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break > under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass > straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me > sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my > hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not > want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end > up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, > but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong > graphite cane. > > The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a > lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get > things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of > these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but > I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, > all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume > that we're all alike *eyeroll* > > I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not > limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned > much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing > things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is > obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need > assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, > but I don't always have the time. > > Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness > is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not > limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other > disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a > few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support > group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I > *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy > asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you > blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for > the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It > doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I > gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need > someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), > and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts > to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group > to grab an extra snack for me. > > My two cents, > Jewel > > On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >> blind? >> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >> Federation community/family? >> Best, >> Darian >> >> >> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>> situation. >>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>> our >>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>> a >>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>> tone >>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>> of >>> a >>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>> could've >>> handled it in a calmer way. >>> >>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>> than >>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>> the >>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>> airplane >>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>> change. >>> >>> Just my 10 cents. >>> >>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>> and >>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>> problem >>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>> constraint, >>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>> perhaps >>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>> in >>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>>> a >>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>> your >>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >> help! To Get Involved go to: >> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 19:43:50 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:43:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have done a few babysitting jobs. Maybe ask your local parents' division if anyone is looking for a summer babysitter if you are interested in working with children. Yes, guys can babysit too! The best nanny I ever met was a young man (about 23) whom the children absolutely adored. The secret was that he actually played the games they wanted to play, like I did, so he and I exchanged great tips and tricks of the trade. Tell the parents in the parents' division if you are interested, and tell them that not only will they have a babysitter, but their blind child will have a great role model to show them that blind people can do things too! That might be a great selling point for parents of blind children. That's what I plan on doing, and have done for some families already. I don't know about other jobs, as I've never worked outside of the childcare field, but that's my thoughts on that field. ~Jewel On 4/20/10, Mark J. Cadigan wrote: > I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs > people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not > much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are > retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would do > in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs > would be greatly appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:00:12 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:00:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good idea. Problem with that is, I don't know if there is a parent division, and if there is, wear do I find them? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job >I have done a few babysitting jobs. Maybe ask your local parents' > division if anyone is looking for a summer babysitter if you are > interested in working with children. Yes, guys can babysit too! The > best nanny I ever met was a young man (about 23) whom the children > absolutely adored. The secret was that he actually played the games > they wanted to play, like I did, so he and I exchanged great tips and > tricks of the trade. > > Tell the parents in the parents' division if you are interested, and > tell them that not only will they have a babysitter, but their blind > child will have a great role model to show them that blind people can > do things too! That might be a great selling point for parents of > blind children. > > That's what I plan on doing, and have done for some families already. > > I don't know about other jobs, as I've never worked outside of the > childcare field, but that's my thoughts on that field. > > ~Jewel > > On 4/20/10, Mark J. Cadigan wrote: >> I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs >> people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not >> much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are >> retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would >> do >> in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:33:31 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:33:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E3F7F80935B4FEC8721E0D0B8FC5038@SonyPC> People making assumptions about all blind people based off there experience with you can't be helped. People will take the singular and make it the rule no matter what you do. My advice is, just do what you have to do, and if people assume things the next time they meet another blind person, they will learn why people say "when you assume you make an ass out of you and me." I also prefer the folding aluminum canes. I like them, because they collapse down when not in use, and are a lot sturdier than the telescoping ones. That is one of the things about the NFB that annoys me. There is more than one way of doing things, but the NFB doesn't always recognize this. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > > I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but > that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a > sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow > a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk > because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my > boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I > *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my > cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we > make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more > vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good > as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I > stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people > will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or > accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk > on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be > walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than > I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that > is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does > it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do > walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I > would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm > the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look > for obstacles. > > Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane > as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight > cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to > worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, > because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal > preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do > is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than > graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance > and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break > under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass > straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me > sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my > hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not > want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end > up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, > but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong > graphite cane. > > The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a > lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get > things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of > these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but > I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, > all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume > that we're all alike *eyeroll* > > I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not > limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned > much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing > things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is > obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need > assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, > but I don't always have the time. > > Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness > is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not > limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other > disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a > few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support > group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I > *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy > asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you > blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for > the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It > doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I > gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need > someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), > and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts > to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group > to grab an extra snack for me. > > My two cents, > Jewel > > On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >> blind? >> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >> Federation community/family? >> Best, >> Darian >> >> >> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>> situation. >>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>> our >>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>> a >>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>> tone >>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>> of >>> a >>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>> could've >>> handled it in a calmer way. >>> >>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>> than >>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>> the >>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>> airplane >>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>> change. >>> >>> Just my 10 cents. >>> >>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>> and >>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>> problem >>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>> constraint, >>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>> perhaps >>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>> in >>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>>> a >>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>> your >>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >> help! To Get Involved go to: >> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From gera1027 at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:59:37 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:59:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job References: Message-ID: <003501cae0cc$66c9c590$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> How about doing tecnocal supportfor Jaws and other blindness-related software? I've heard that's what some people do. Gerardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: [nabs-l] summer job I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would do in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs would be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com From haltaf at carrollu.edu Tue Apr 20 21:24:57 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:24:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job References: <003501cae0cc$66c9c590$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: hi, i am a computer science student and since you mentioned tech support jobs, i am looking for those kind of opportunities. so please let me know how and where i can find tech support or assistive technology jobs? thanks. hina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job How about doing tecnocal supportfor Jaws and other blindness-related software? I've heard that's what some people do. Gerardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: [nabs-l] summer job I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would do in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs would be greatly appreciated. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu From jam at ski.org Tue Apr 20 21:59:59 2010 From: jam at ski.org (Joshua A. Miele) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:59:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Request for Participation -- Smith-Kettlewell Wayfinding Survey Message-ID: <4BCE23DF.6080301@ski.org> Greetings! The Smith-Kettlewell Eye Research Institute (S-K), in collaboration with researchers at Accessible Design for the Blind and U.C. Santa Barbara, is conducting a survey of tools and techniques used by blind and visually-impaired people in their every-day lives. We want to know how you get around, how comfortable you feel in various situations, what other disabilities you have, and what tools and techniques you use in your daily travels. By participating in the S-K Wayfinding Survey, you will extend our knowledge of how real blind and visually-impaired people travel independently. You will also help to improve the independence of future travelers with visual disabilities by sharing your experience. You can participate in the S-K Wayfinding survey on the web, by phone, or by TTY. The survey should take no more than 20 minutes to complete, and your responses will be completely confidential. We eagerly look forward to your participation and thank you in advance for your help. To take the survey on the web or ask questions about it: http://holman.ski.org/wayfindingsurvey Take the survey by phone: (415) 345-2013 -- We will call you back. Take the survey by TTY: (415) 345-2290 -- We will call you back. Please share this announcement with any individuals or lists you think might be interested. If you do forward it, please take the time to remove any extra e-mail headers to improve readability. Again, we thank you for your valuable assistance with this important research project. ---------------------------------------- Joshua A. Miele, Ph.D. The Smith-Kettlewell Eye Research Institute 2318 Fillmore St San Francisco, CA 94115 From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 22:42:28 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:42:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software In-Reply-To: <4BCDBFF7.9030509@pcdesk.net> References: <20100419003958.GC79768@yumi.bluecherry.net> <4BCDBFF7.9030509@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <20100420224227.GE51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> 1. It is a hosted solution, but at the moment it looks like the host is gonna be Dreamhost, so there's a lot of leeway for what I want to do with it. 2. I'm looking ultimately for a discussion forum and possibly a wiki open to certain contributors to collect the best collective wisdom of the forums into a more easily searched manner. Integration here isn't critical, but I wouldn't mind if it were present certainly. 3. It's Dreamhost, which appears to be a Debian Linux LAMP setup. It'll do one-click installations of phpBB and MediaWiki, but these of course would require some effort to combine into a coherent site, and I don't know how well phpBB handles screen readers once sighted people start prettying it up with graphics and the like. I know MediaWiki pretty much just works without a whole lot of effort. But I won't necessarily have to use Dreamhost, either. I'm looking at Dreamhost because I'm familiar with it. If there's better software out there for what I want to do and I'd need another hosting provider to make it work, I'd go with another hosting provider. This project is results-driven more than it is resource-constrained at this point. That's why I was looking for good examples of what has been done that works. I can choose from among those, research how it was done, and emulate as necessary. Joseph On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 08:53:43AM -0600, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA256 > >There are several solutions available actually. What you should do >precisely depends on your exact needs. If you could answer a couple >questions I could probably recommend something. > >1. Are you looking for a hosted solution or do you have control over the >web server where your site is located? > >2. What functions are you looking for precisely? Are you just looking >for forums, or do you want a content management system that also happens >to have forum functionality? > >3. Do you have a particular platform said software needs to work with? >Windows or Linux, Python or PHP, etc? >- -- >Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? >Joseph C. Lininger, >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > >iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJLzb/3AAoJEMh8jNraUiwquDgH/3uYAOfpl/24fT/6cLWIfLaK >p/HXTs7J7OsYhcneaEru+2lVlH3MGG+8P6NaORsCBN63bnskeZeYDwtidFPZ5aW+ >QymdFvAFs7Z7YdHESSvsjrtYsbnE06L0D/OVFLIFHRZ41FeG1ymfaikofj94XzIN >WykQoafeyqHg3a19hzdS97oLq59Revtjxl1rEAWXEmWlZ9x9OnJM6F91fmSZVXHY >LctdUVg3rHs8gcB9yIjyn7FBAGmkQFq51gmVLK3hp9PInaCahXIqzr4NOIuoul5s >IC46edsMm+MaRqPwbkWif466iX4EwVpyLNs7pr/0qBpoDSFSWeO/cR5RSFTH7xo= >=3gXa >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Wed Apr 21 00:07:18 2010 From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org (Maryann Migliorelli) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:07:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about system access In-Reply-To: References: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$@jevnikar@utoronto.ca> Message-ID: <00c001cae0e6$9b1adf90$d1509eb0$@org> It's definitely possible to run skipe with System Access. We do it plenty. Regards, Maryann Migliorelli From pajohns1 at vt.edu Wed Apr 21 01:11:51 2010 From: pajohns1 at vt.edu (pajohns1 at vt.edu) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:11:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook to shutdown Lite site References: <005101cadcac$0f623360$2e269a20$%jevnikar@utoronto.ca> <00c001cae0e6$9b1adf90$d1509eb0$@org> Message-ID: Article in today's Computerworld announcing FB to shutdown Lite site, http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9175841/Facebook_shuts_down_Lite_site?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-04-20 . Patrick From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Apr 21 01:25:49 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:25:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question Message-ID: <20100421012549.21564.38804@web1> Jewel, Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or even a support cane with the white cane? Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but > that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a > sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow > a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk > because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my > boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I > *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my > cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we > make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more > vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good > as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I > stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people > will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or > accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk > on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be > walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than > I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that > is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does > it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do > walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I > would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm > the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look > for obstacles. > Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane > as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight > cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to > worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, > because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal > preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do > is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than > graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance > and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break > under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass > straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me > sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my > hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not > want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end > up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, > but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong > graphite cane. > The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a > lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get > things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of > these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but > I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, > all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume > that we're all alike *eyeroll* > I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not > limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned > much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing > things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is > obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need > assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, > but I don't always have the time. > Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness > is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not > limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other > disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a > few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support > group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I > *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy > asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you > blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for > the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It > doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I > gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need > someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), > and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts > to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group > to grab an extra snack for me. > My two cents, > Jewel > On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >> blind? >> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >> Federation community/family? >> Best, >> Darian >> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the situation. >>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>> our >>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets a >>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional tone >>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's of >>> a >>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she could've >>> handled it in a calmer way. >>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think than >>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the >>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>> airplane >>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>> change. >>> Just my 10 cents. >>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and >>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem >>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>> constraint, >>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>> in >>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a >>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your >>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>> people. >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >> help! To Get Involved go to: >> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From WMajerus at nfb.org Wed Apr 21 02:15:05 2010 From: WMajerus at nfb.org (Majerus, Wesley) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:15:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Thru Our Eyes, doubleheader shows, April 21 Message-ID: ---------- From: Joe Ruffalo [mailto:nfbnj at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:19 PM To: Joe Ruffalo; Vincent Chaney Cc: Taylor, Anne; Majerus, Wesley; Office Of The President Subject: Thru Our Eyes, doubleheader shows, April 21 Good evening to all! Please distribute to all email lists. Vincent, please post on the New Jersey website. Attention! Thru Our Eyes will be featuring two educational and inspirational internet radio shows on Wednesday, April 21, 2010. the how to listen information is located at the bottom of this email message. The 8:00 p.m. EST, show will feature host Joe Ruffalo interviewing Wesley Majarus, access technology specialist from the International Braille and Technology Center, IBTC, headquartered at the National Center for the Blind, Baltimore, Maryland. The interview will highlight the history of the IBTC, the purposes, goals and objectives, who funds the IBTC, what is the need for such a program, what is the A plus award, and much more. The second show will broadcast at 9:00 p.m. EST is On The Bright Side With Janie and Jerry. An hour of inspiration, Motivation and Information Our guest for this month's show is Gary Ray, NFB of NC State Affiliate president. He will share with us how he overcame the obstacles that life sent his way. In addition, we will have our informing tech talk with Jerry and our inspiring book corner with Janie You don't want to miss this show! *** How To Listen*** You can access the shows by logging into: www.thruoureyes.org Or for those using a screen reader: www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html Or to listen with your phone: 1 605 475 6333 Then use access code: 833520 If you wish to make a comment, a suggestion or have a question, call in live, by dialing toll free: 1 888 572 0141. And . . . A podcast of each show will be available in a couple of days. Just go to: www.thruoureyes.org And click on Listen to Pod casts Good listening, Joe Ruffalo, Jane Degenshein and Jerry Moreno Remember: When we all do, it becomes doable! Best, Joe ruffalo The more we try, the more we succeed. Everything is impossible until you do it. Keep believing. Keep dreaming. Keep learning Let's work together. Let's make a difference! Joseph J. Ruffalo President, National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey Phone: 973-743-0075 Please visit our State and National Web Sites http://www.nfbnj.org http://www.thruoureyes.org http://www.blindchildren.org http://www.nfb.org Email: nfbnj at yahoo.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 02:35:44 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:35:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job In-Reply-To: References: <003501cae0cc$66c9c590$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Well, where do you live? I can look it up. If I can find it, they probably don't exist, but chances are, they are out there. I can look and see what other resources are available for you, if you'll tell me where you are (or where you'll be for the summer, if it's different than current location). There may be some placement agencies in the area that could help you, too. I'll search for them for you; just tell me where *grin* The Research Geek, Jewel On 4/20/10, Hina wrote: > hi, > i am a computer science student and since you mentioned tech support jobs, i > am looking for those kind of opportunities. so please let me know how and > where i can find tech support or assistive technology jobs? > thanks. > hina. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerardo Corripio" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job > > > How about doing tecnocal supportfor Jaws and other blindness-related > software? I've heard that's what some people do. > Gerardo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J. Cadigan" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:48 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] summer job > > > I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs > people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not > much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are > retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would do > in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs > would be greatly appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 03:03:03 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 23:03:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: <20100421012549.21564.38804@web1> References: <20100421012549.21564.38804@web1> Message-ID: Dear all, There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my purse, and my straight cane, just in case. Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. Sincerely, Mary On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: > Jewel, > > Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or even > a support cane with the white cane? > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > >> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >> for obstacles. > >> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >> graphite cane. > >> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >> that we're all alike *eyeroll* > >> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >> but I don't always have the time. > >> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >> to grab an extra snack for me. > >> My two cents, >> Jewel > >> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>> blind? >>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>> Federation community/family? >>> Best, >>> Darian > > >>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>> Good morning, > >>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>> situation. >>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>>> our >>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>>> a >>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>> tone >>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>>> of >>>> a >>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>> could've >>>> handled it in a calmer way. > >>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>> than >>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>> the >>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>> airplane >>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>> change. > >>>> Just my 10 cents. > >>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: > > >>>>> Dear NABS members, > >>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>>> and >>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>> problem >>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>> constraint, >>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>> perhaps >>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." > >>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>>> in >>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>>>> a >>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>> your >>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>> people. > > >>>>> Best, >>>>> Candice Chapman > >>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>> inbox. >>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>> help! 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President Barack Obama From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 03:18:21 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:18:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: References: <20100421012549.21564.38804@web1> Message-ID: Hi all, Like others I often fly with a straight cane and stow it against the window, and almost always, it's no problem. I did have one stubborn flight attendant who wanted to put it in a closet at the front of the plane. I compromised with her and we decided to stow the cane in the overhead directly above my seat. We put it up together and I made sure I knew exactly where it was and that it was in reach of my seat in the event that I would need it in an emergency. That's another option to consider before resorting to battle. I agree that I'd never let someone put my cane in a closet where I couldn't get to it, but the overhead solution, while not ideal, was good enough. Arielle On 4/20/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Dear all, > There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. > Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the > option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you > can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a > simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in > this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you > should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it > next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are > passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the > trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is > fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I > will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very > much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with > that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my > purse, and my straight cane, just in case. > Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that > there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic > representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also > highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and > pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. > However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have > different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different > options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, > as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks > less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to > hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, > and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness > better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under > the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. > That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and > then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is > self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. > Sincerely, > Mary > > On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: >> Jewel, >> >> Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or even >> a support cane with the white cane? >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> >> Original message: >>> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... >> >>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>> for obstacles. >> >>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>> graphite cane. >> >>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* >> >>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>> but I don't always have the time. >> >>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >>> to grab an extra snack for me. >> >>> My two cents, >>> Jewel >> >>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>> blind? >>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>> Federation community/family? >>>> Best, >>>> Darian >> >> >>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>> Good morning, >> >>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>> situation. >>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>>>> our >>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>>>> a >>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>>> tone >>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>> insist >>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>>>> of >>>>> a >>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>> could've >>>>> handled it in a calmer way. >> >>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>>> than >>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>>> the >>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>> airplane >>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>>> change. >> >>>>> Just my 10 cents. >> >>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >> >> >>>>>> Dear NABS members, >> >>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>>>> and >>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>> problem >>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing >>>>>> the >>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic >>>>>> and >>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>> constraint, >>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However >>>>>> I >>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>> perhaps >>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >> >>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>> situations >>>>>> in >>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>> make >>>>>> a >>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>>> your >>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>> people. >> >> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Candice Chapman >> >>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>>> inbox. >>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>>> -- >>>> Darian Smith >>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>>> help! To Get Involved go to: >>>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. 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It must be earned. > President Barack Obama > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 03:54:50 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:54:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] ) Facebook Shuts Down Lite Site References: <4609C4AE0BE847CB9A71EE8709CAADC4@toshibauser> Message-ID: Got this off of the blind tech list. > > Didn't use it myself, but I've read it recommended enough times on this and > other mailing lists for others who have difficulties with the full facebook > page. 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Meddaugh) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 06:00:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question References: <20100421012549.21564.38804@web1> Message-ID: <8B21AD0DF9E449E280B2EEB3FEFA5FFA@jage> I usually end up going with the 50-50 for flying because I can usually still sneak it under my seat in the aisle. Given the uncomfortable nature of plains, I always choose aisle seats and for me, the bit of room gained by doing this outweighs the potential advantages of a straight cane. I did just recently have a flight attendant who asked me to hold the cane during takeoff, which I thought a bit weird considering the usual rules of keeping everything put away during this time, but oh well. All of this just to say that there is usually several different ways to do something, and just when you think you've heard all of them, someone will come along with a new and often plausible alternative. J.J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Hi all, > > Like others I often fly with a straight cane and stow it against the > window, and almost always, it's no problem. I did have one stubborn > flight attendant who wanted to put it in a closet at the front of the > plane. I compromised with her and we decided to stow the cane in the > overhead directly above my seat. We put it up together and I made sure > I knew exactly where it was and that it was in reach of my seat in the > event that I would need it in an emergency. That's another option to > consider before resorting to battle. I agree that I'd never let > someone put my cane in a closet where I couldn't get to it, but the > overhead solution, while not ideal, was good enough. > > Arielle > > On 4/20/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >> Dear all, >> There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. >> Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the >> option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you >> can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a >> simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in >> this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you >> should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it >> next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are >> passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the >> trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is >> fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I >> will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very >> much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with >> that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my >> purse, and my straight cane, just in case. >> Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that >> there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic >> representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also >> highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and >> pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. >> However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have >> different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different >> options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, >> as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks >> less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to >> hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, >> and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness >> better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under >> the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. >> That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and >> then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is >> self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. >> Sincerely, >> Mary >> >> On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: >>> Jewel, >>> >>> Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or even >>> a support cane with the white cane? >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> >>> >>> Original message: >>>> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... >>> >>>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >>>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >>>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >>>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >>>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >>>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>>> for obstacles. >>> >>>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >>>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >>>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >>>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >>>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >>>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>>> graphite cane. >>> >>>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >>>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >>>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >>>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* >>> >>>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >>>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >>>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>>> but I don't always have the time. >>> >>>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >>>> to grab an extra snack for me. >>> >>>> My two cents, >>>> Jewel >>> >>>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>>> blind? >>>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>>> Federation community/family? >>>>> Best, >>>>> Darian >>> >>> >>>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>> Good morning, >>> >>>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>>> situation. >>>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to >>>>>> take >>>>>> our >>>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>>>>> sets >>>>>> a >>>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>>>> tone >>>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>>> insist >>>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>>>>> why's >>>>>> of >>>>>> a >>>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>>> could've >>>>>> handled it in a calmer way. >>> >>>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>>>> than >>>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>>>> the >>>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>>> airplane >>>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>>>> change. >>> >>>>>> Just my 10 cents. >>> >>>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by >>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. >>>>>>> She >>>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>>> problem >>>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>>> constraint, >>>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >>>>>>> However >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>> >>>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>>> situations >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>>> make >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>>>>>> person, >>>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>>> people. >>> >>> >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Candice Chapman >>> >>>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>>>> inbox. >>>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Darian Smith >>>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>>>> help! To Get Involved go to: >>>>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> Emory University 2012 >> P.O. Box 123056 >> Atlanta Ga. >> 30322 >> Phone: 732-857-7004 >> In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >> greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >> President Barack Obama >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From haltaf at carrollu.edu Wed Apr 21 14:04:00 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:04:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job References: <003501cae0cc$66c9c590$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <895AB8B7297840B49AC3824D732992FB@DB8D43F1> i am in wisconsin, but open to relocation any where. thanks for your help. hina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job Well, where do you live? I can look it up. If I can find it, they probably don't exist, but chances are, they are out there. I can look and see what other resources are available for you, if you'll tell me where you are (or where you'll be for the summer, if it's different than current location). There may be some placement agencies in the area that could help you, too. I'll search for them for you; just tell me where *grin* The Research Geek, Jewel On 4/20/10, Hina wrote: > hi, > i am a computer science student and since you mentioned tech support jobs, > i > am looking for those kind of opportunities. so please let me know how and > where i can find tech support or assistive technology jobs? > thanks. > hina. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerardo Corripio" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job > > > How about doing tecnocal supportfor Jaws and other blindness-related > software? I've heard that's what some people do. > Gerardo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark J. Cadigan" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:48 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] summer job > > > I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs > people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not > much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are > retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would > do > in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs > would be greatly appreciated. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu From dlawless86 at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 15:08:58 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:08:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job In-Reply-To: <895AB8B7297840B49AC3824D732992FB@DB8D43F1> References: <003501cae0cc$66c9c590$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> <895AB8B7297840B49AC3824D732992FB@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: Hi, You might want to check with your blind merchants division. Sometimes they need people to run the registers or work in the kitchen at their facilities. Just My Thoughts, Domonique On 4/21/10, Hina wrote: > i am in wisconsin, but open to relocation any where. thanks for your help. > hina. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel S." > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job > > > Well, where do you live? I can look it up. If I can find it, they > probably don't exist, but chances are, they are out there. I can look > and see what other resources are available for you, if you'll tell me > where you are (or where you'll be for the summer, if it's different > than current location). There may be some placement agencies in the > area that could help you, too. I'll search for them for you; just tell > me where *grin* > > The Research Geek, > Jewel > > On 4/20/10, Hina wrote: >> hi, >> i am a computer science student and since you mentioned tech support jobs, >> >> i >> am looking for those kind of opportunities. so please let me know how and >> where i can find tech support or assistive technology jobs? >> thanks. >> hina. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gerardo Corripio" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job >> >> >> How about doing tecnocal supportfor Jaws and other blindness-related >> software? I've heard that's what some people do. >> Gerardo >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:48 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] summer job >> >> >> I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs >> people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not >> much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are >> retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would >> do >> in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From jlastar at comcast.net Wed Apr 21 18:39:19 2010 From: jlastar at comcast.net (Jennifer Applegate) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:39:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 References: Message-ID: Does anyone know when and how nfb national scholarship winners are notified? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM EST > (Diggs, Parnell) > 2. New List for Blind Conservatives (RyanO) > 3. Re: Not Just Your Average Cane (T. Joseph Carter) > 4. Help-Philosophy Question (Candice Chapman) > 5. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Kerri Kosten) > 6. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Anjelina) > 7. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Briley Pollard) > 8. Re: Bulletin board software (Joseph C. Lininger) > 9. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Darian Smith) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:38:23 -0500 > From: "Diggs, Parnell" (by way of David Andrews > ) > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM > EST > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > > Dear Colleagues: > > Some of my fellow Federationists have asked me to conduct a > fundraising seminar for those participating in the 2010 Race for > Independence. > > The Dallas Convention is approaching fast, and we need to kick it > into high gear for the final push to generate proceeds for NFB > programs at the national, state, and local levels. > > If you have signed-up for the Race for Independence, or if you plan > to do so, please call into (800) 910-2399 and use code 573791 > tomorrow night, Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern). > > The call will last no longer than thirty minutes. During this brief > call, you will be able to hear from some of those who have already > met their fundraising goals for 2010. > > Find out how they did it. There is ample time to raise $250 by July > 31, but we need to start now. I look forward to your participation > in this important call, and I thank you for the work you are doing. > > Sincerely, > > Parnell Diggs, Chairman > National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:32:10 -0500 > From: "RyanO" (by way of David Andrews > ) > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] New List for Blind Conservatives > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I have been asked to circulate the following: > > Dave > > > > > In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to reach > out to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to > come speak at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of > disability issues. We already had a rep from the Obama campaign in > the person of one of our members, who was an official Obama > surrogate. After several days of phone tag, I was informed that the > McCain camp would not be sending a representative to speak to us. The > reason I was given was because, "Obama was just too far ahead on > disability issues." > > I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt. We > tried to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we > didn't matter. To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was > to quit being a conservative and jump ship over to the other side. > The second option was to get more actively involved and to make our > voices heard on all levels. Anyone who knows me knows that option one > was not an option. > > To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires. It is > primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of > communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is welcome > on this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the > spirit of the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and > discussion fosters a more vibrant society for all of its members. > > Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I plan to > turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information, please > Email me at > ryano218 at comcast.net > > Thank you for your time and attention. > > > RyanO > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:28:52 -0700 > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Not Just Your Average Cane > Message-ID: <20100420022851.GI90257 at yumi.bluecherry.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Catching up on piles of email, I saw this thread. I can already see > Joe Orozco wearing a giant talking watch around his neck. > > In all seriousness (or at least some seriousness), aside from the > specific legal status afforded to a cane that is specifically white > in many jurisdictions, I see no reason why one couldn't have one or > more canes that reflect your personality. In my case, I can picture > one with a more ivory gloss finish, a leather grip, and polished > steel cap with a satin finish. It would be exactly the sort of cane > I would take to more upscale events and the like. > > That said, finding a good way to treat the chips and scratches my > general every day working cane is subjected to would be a good start. > I've seen a number of rigid NFB canes that have gotten so much use > that the bottom foot or so are graphite black because the white > coating has completely chipped away. Not exactly what I want when I > want to look my best! > > And yes, the big talking watch for Joe to wear around his neck should > have that [CENSORED] rooster alarm. > > Joseph > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:33:56PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >>Hi Mark, >> >>Having started the thread, I feel compelled to respond to your thoughtful >>post. It goes without say that people's opinions here do not reflect any >>official NFB positions, and I honestly doubt the NFB would genuinely care >>if >>all its members suddenly decided to sport a wide range of colorfully >>decorated canes. I think Dr. Maurer would probably find the concept >>amusing, and doesn't Whozit sport a black cane in our logo? That fellow >>was >>far ahead of the curve. >> >>For my own part, I'm headed to Michael's sometime soon to embark upon a >>project to transform my own cane into the walking wonder I know it can be. >>I think that in doing so I would do well to use a measure of practical >>sense. Security checkpoints at airports and federal buildings would >>probably not look kindly on a cane that is different from what is >>popularly >>accepted. We can't expect the world to automatically get that blind >>people >>have their own sense of pizzazz, and by the same token, we can't expect >>people to pick up on the fact we're blind at night if using something as >>obscure as a black cane, even though I agree with the previous subscriber >>that motorists should respect pedestrians with or without this new breed >>of >>eye candy. >> >>I'm glad people pointed out the jurisdictions that specifically call for >>the >>cane to be white. In asking my question, sarcasm notwithstanding, I was >>not >>really setting out to violate laws that are meant to preserve my safety, >>but >>I do not want these laws to tuck me away into a label that can be every >>bit >>as condescending as terms like "handicapped." If senior citizens can >>sport >>all manner of creatively designed walking canes, by golly, I want my own >>mode of transportation to broadcast my own sense of humor. It's not as if >>I >>can smack a bumper sticker on my German shepherd's butt and call it good, >>although, can you imagine the wide range of clever slogans one could >>produce >>with that kind of strategic angle? >> >>All of this having been said, I spent nearly a year working on behalf of >>victims of human trafficking. I learned all about the negative >>connotations >>associated with words like "pimping," and for using that term to catch >>your >>attention, I am truly sorry. >> >>In summation, I think the responses on both lists to which the question >>went >>out has been mostly positive. It's no scientific survey, but I think it >>is >>at least slightly indicative of the membership's willingness to explore >>the >>idea or at least humor my nonsense. People who have given more >>straight-laced responses are no doubt secretly glad they're not the only >>ones who thought of this, because original this idea is most certainly >>not. >>Let's leave out the references to accessible currency and other >>controversial topics out of it this time around. We debate those serious >>issues all the time and should enjoy the all too infrequent light banter. >> >>Best, >> >>Joe Orozco and the Soon to Be Improved Sir Tap-A-Lot >> >>What, as if you haven't ever thought of giving your cane a name??? >> >>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, >>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk >>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:51 PM >>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pimp My Cane >> >>I'm following this thread, and I know a large percentage of the folks >>here are NFB members; I personally a not, nor any organization, for >>that matter. I find a bit of hypocrisy in this discussion: First the >>NFB rails against things like audible cross walk signals and so on, >>claiming that the blind don't need them, that it's not what the blind >>"want," whatever. Same with identifiable currency. Now, however, I >>hear a bunch of the same people saying, in effect, "I want to carry a >>symbol of blindness! I want to proclaim my blindness to everyone so >>that they can alter their behaviors appropriately in recognition of >>the fact that I'm blind!" I should think the true spirit of the NFB >>might be to use a black cane and give no indication whatsoever of >>blindness, except on a purely voluntary basis. I just don't >>understand this. >> >>Mark BurningHawk >>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>Namaste! >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>blindlaw mailing list >>blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>info for blindlaw: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsoroz >>co%40gmail.com >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >>database 4980 (20100328) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:34:01 -0500 > From: Candice Chapman > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Dear NABS members, > > I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the > test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and > we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She > insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem > with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the > straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, > obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and > embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, > my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I > can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the > situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps > you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The > article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." > > How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more > delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in > which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a > situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, > rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of > negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential > alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your > thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. > > Best, > Candice Chapman > > P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Don't Throw The Nickel.doc > Type: application/msword > Size: 32768 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:56:53 -0400 > From: Kerri Kosten > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Candice: > > This is very interesting. > > I definitely think it is true to pick your battles. I was flying back > from Florida with my parents. In scrambling to find a flight, our > seats were in separate rows. > I did not mind this at all, as I like to be independent and after all > my parents were still on the same plane so I did not mind at all. > However, when we got on the plane and the flight attendant found out > our seats were separate and I was blind, she insisted on rearranging > the two seats so my mother and I could sit together. > At first, I was going to protest but decided against it because after > all it just meant my mother would be sitting together and apparently > the person who was in the seat beside my mother willingly moved. I > could have and maybe should have spoken up on the issue more but it > seemed minor and nobody seemed to be bothered by it so I decided that > battle wasn't one worth fighting. > > However, I do not agree with a person trying to take my cane no matter > the situation. I would object to this and would not let it happen, but > I would try as hard as I could to state my points and objections as > politely as possible and try very hard not to cause a huge sceen. > > Just my opinion. > > Kerri > > On 4/19/10, Candice Chapman wrote: >> >> Dear NABS members, >> >> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >> test. >> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we >> got >> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted >> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with >> mine >> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight >> cane >> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal >> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on >> my >> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was >> finally >> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder >> if >> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to >> mind >> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The >> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw >> the >> Nickel." >> >> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >> delicately? >> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you >> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation >> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than >> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg >> NFB >> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above >> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the >> importance >> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >> >> Best, >> Candice Chapman >> >> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> inbox. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:57:01 -0400 > From: "Anjelina" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Candice: what a great thought provoking article and question. > In my opinion, being confrontational isn't always productive. I've dealt > with overly-helpful flight attendants' a few times who wanted to stow my > cane somewhere else rather than let me put it along the window. > Once I did allow my cane to be placed in a nearby closet and had no > problem > having it returned if I needed to use it, but I generally try to calmly > explain that my cane will not be a bother to the other passengers and the > importance of having it close by. > I look forward to reading other responses. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Candice Chapman" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:34 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > > > > Dear NABS members, > > I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the > test. > I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we got > into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted > upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with mine > since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight > cane > would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal > confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on my > part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was > finally > mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder if > there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to mind > an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The > Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the > Nickel." > > How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more > delicately? > In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you > could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation > worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than > taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg > NFB > philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above > confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the importance > of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. > > Best, > Candice Chapman > > P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. > _________________________________________________________________ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:32:04 -0500 > From: Briley Pollard > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Message-ID: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Good morning, > > I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the situation. > The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take > our mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also > sets a bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in > the future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional > tone when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to > insist that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the > why's of a certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your > friend should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she > could've handled it in a calmer way. > > The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think than > having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the > kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the > airplane rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and > professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about > change. > > Just my 10 cents. > > BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: > >> >> Dear NABS members, >> >> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and >> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem >> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >> constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >> However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to >> handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth >> Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The >> Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >> >> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >> in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >> make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >> person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the >> art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your >> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >> people. >> >> Best, >> Candice Chapman >> >> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> inbox. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:53:43 -0600 > From: "Joseph C. Lininger" > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software > Message-ID: <4BCDBFF7.9030509 at pcdesk.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > There are several solutions available actually. What you should do > precisely depends on your exact needs. If you could answer a couple > questions I could probably recommend something. > > 1. Are you looking for a hosted solution or do you have control over the > web server where your site is located? > > 2. What functions are you looking for precisely? Are you just looking > for forums, or do you want a content management system that also happens > to have forum functionality? > > 3. Do you have a particular platform said software needs to work with? > Windows or Linux, Python or PHP, etc? > - -- > Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? > Joseph C. Lininger, > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJLzb/3AAoJEMh8jNraUiwquDgH/3uYAOfpl/24fT/6cLWIfLaK > p/HXTs7J7OsYhcneaEru+2lVlH3MGG+8P6NaORsCBN63bnskeZeYDwtidFPZ5aW+ > QymdFvAFs7Z7YdHESSvsjrtYsbnE06L0D/OVFLIFHRZ41FeG1ymfaikofj94XzIN > WykQoafeyqHg3a19hzdS97oLq59Revtjxl1rEAWXEmWlZ9x9OnJM6F91fmSZVXHY > LctdUVg3rHs8gcB9yIjyn7FBAGmkQFq51gmVLK3hp9PInaCahXIqzr4NOIuoul5s > IC46edsMm+MaRqPwbkWif466iX4EwVpyLNs7pr/0qBpoDSFSWeO/cR5RSFTH7xo= > =3gXa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:32:34 -0700 > From: Darian Smith > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello all, > My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by > handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. > While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a > second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at > what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. > I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and > long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes > one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as > somebody insisting in helping you across the street). > Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the > good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my > long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness > to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's > easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, > do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to > get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question > that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of > blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the > ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the > blind? > if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a > thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the > Federation community/family? > Best, > Darian > > > On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >> situation. >> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >> our >> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets a >> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional tone >> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >> of a >> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >> could've >> handled it in a calmer way. >> >> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >> than >> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the >> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >> airplane >> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >> change. >> >> Just my 10 cents. >> >> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>> and >>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>> problem >>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>> constraint, >>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>> >>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>> in >>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>> a >>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>> your >>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>> people. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> Candice Chapman >>> >>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > Skype: The_Blind_Truth > Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com > The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher > recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate > individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your > help! To Get Involved go to: > www.TeachBlindStudents.org > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 > ************************************** From agrima at nbp.org Wed Apr 21 18:44:01 2010 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 14:44:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Eric Carle's 'From Head to Toe' Message-ID: <443126975F1F4344B77CA8AF3DDEDC62@nbp2.local> >From Head to Toe By Eric Carle Print/braille board book, $7.99 Ages 4-8 This book is in EITHER uncontracted braille or contracted braille - please specify. Alligators wiggle Elephants stomp Gorillas thump Giraffes bend Can you do it? This rambunctious board book by Eric Carle introduces the basic body parts and simple body movements - both important concepts for blind children. But beware: This book inspires dancing, jumping and other sporting activities! This is not a sit-down-and-read book - it's a get-up-and-move book! "Children will eagerly clap, stomp, kick and wriggle their way through these pages." - Publishers Weekly A Main Selection of the Children's Book-of-the-Month Club Read more about this book on our web site at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BB-HEADTOE.html To order this book, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or, call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 20 Or e-mail your order to orders at nbp.org. From mbrianwooten at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 21:15:51 2010 From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:15:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships Message-ID: I read on the NFB Home page thatthe recipients are notified by phone in the beginning of June. Good luck to you Best Regards, Brian Wooten Nashville Tn On 4/21/10, Jennifer Applegate wrote: > Does anyone know when and how nfb national scholarship winners are notified? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:00 PM > Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 > > >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM EST >> (Diggs, Parnell) >> 2. New List for Blind Conservatives (RyanO) >> 3. Re: Not Just Your Average Cane (T. Joseph Carter) >> 4. Help-Philosophy Question (Candice Chapman) >> 5. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Kerri Kosten) >> 6. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Anjelina) >> 7. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Briley Pollard) >> 8. Re: Bulletin board software (Joseph C. Lininger) >> 9. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Darian Smith) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:38:23 -0500 >> From: "Diggs, Parnell" (by way of David Andrews >> ) >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM >> EST >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> >> Dear Colleagues: >> >> Some of my fellow Federationists have asked me to conduct a >> fundraising seminar for those participating in the 2010 Race for >> Independence. >> >> The Dallas Convention is approaching fast, and we need to kick it >> into high gear for the final push to generate proceeds for NFB >> programs at the national, state, and local levels. >> >> If you have signed-up for the Race for Independence, or if you plan >> to do so, please call into (800) 910-2399 and use code 573791 >> tomorrow night, Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern). >> >> The call will last no longer than thirty minutes. During this brief >> call, you will be able to hear from some of those who have already >> met their fundraising goals for 2010. >> >> Find out how they did it. There is ample time to raise $250 by July >> 31, but we need to start now. I look forward to your participation >> in this important call, and I thank you for the work you are doing. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Parnell Diggs, Chairman >> National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:32:10 -0500 >> From: "RyanO" (by way of David Andrews >> ) >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] New List for Blind Conservatives >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> I have been asked to circulate the following: >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> >> In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to reach >> out to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to >> come speak at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of >> disability issues. We already had a rep from the Obama campaign in >> the person of one of our members, who was an official Obama >> surrogate. After several days of phone tag, I was informed that the >> McCain camp would not be sending a representative to speak to us. The >> reason I was given was because, "Obama was just too far ahead on >> disability issues." >> >> I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt. We >> tried to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we >> didn't matter. To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was >> to quit being a conservative and jump ship over to the other side. >> The second option was to get more actively involved and to make our >> voices heard on all levels. Anyone who knows me knows that option one >> was not an option. >> >> To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires. It is >> primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of >> communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is welcome >> on this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the >> spirit of the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and >> discussion fosters a more vibrant society for all of its members. >> >> Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I plan to >> turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information, please >> Email me at >> ryano218 at comcast.net >> >> Thank you for your time and attention. >> >> >> RyanO >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:28:52 -0700 >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Not Just Your Average Cane >> Message-ID: <20100420022851.GI90257 at yumi.bluecherry.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Catching up on piles of email, I saw this thread. I can already see >> Joe Orozco wearing a giant talking watch around his neck. >> >> In all seriousness (or at least some seriousness), aside from the >> specific legal status afforded to a cane that is specifically white >> in many jurisdictions, I see no reason why one couldn't have one or >> more canes that reflect your personality. In my case, I can picture >> one with a more ivory gloss finish, a leather grip, and polished >> steel cap with a satin finish. It would be exactly the sort of cane >> I would take to more upscale events and the like. >> >> That said, finding a good way to treat the chips and scratches my >> general every day working cane is subjected to would be a good start. >> I've seen a number of rigid NFB canes that have gotten so much use >> that the bottom foot or so are graphite black because the white >> coating has completely chipped away. Not exactly what I want when I >> want to look my best! >> >> And yes, the big talking watch for Joe to wear around his neck should >> have that [CENSORED] rooster alarm. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:33:56PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>Hi Mark, >>> >>>Having started the thread, I feel compelled to respond to your thoughtful >>>post. It goes without say that people's opinions here do not reflect any >>>official NFB positions, and I honestly doubt the NFB would genuinely care >>>if >>>all its members suddenly decided to sport a wide range of colorfully >>>decorated canes. I think Dr. Maurer would probably find the concept >>>amusing, and doesn't Whozit sport a black cane in our logo? That fellow >>>was >>>far ahead of the curve. >>> >>>For my own part, I'm headed to Michael's sometime soon to embark upon a >>>project to transform my own cane into the walking wonder I know it can be. >>>I think that in doing so I would do well to use a measure of practical >>>sense. Security checkpoints at airports and federal buildings would >>>probably not look kindly on a cane that is different from what is >>>popularly >>>accepted. We can't expect the world to automatically get that blind >>>people >>>have their own sense of pizzazz, and by the same token, we can't expect >>>people to pick up on the fact we're blind at night if using something as >>>obscure as a black cane, even though I agree with the previous subscriber >>>that motorists should respect pedestrians with or without this new breed >>>of >>>eye candy. >>> >>>I'm glad people pointed out the jurisdictions that specifically call for >>>the >>>cane to be white. In asking my question, sarcasm notwithstanding, I was >>>not >>>really setting out to violate laws that are meant to preserve my safety, >>>but >>>I do not want these laws to tuck me away into a label that can be every >>>bit >>>as condescending as terms like "handicapped." If senior citizens can >>>sport >>>all manner of creatively designed walking canes, by golly, I want my own >>>mode of transportation to broadcast my own sense of humor. It's not as if >>> >>>I >>>can smack a bumper sticker on my German shepherd's butt and call it good, >>>although, can you imagine the wide range of clever slogans one could >>>produce >>>with that kind of strategic angle? >>> >>>All of this having been said, I spent nearly a year working on behalf of >>>victims of human trafficking. I learned all about the negative >>>connotations >>>associated with words like "pimping," and for using that term to catch >>>your >>>attention, I am truly sorry. >>> >>>In summation, I think the responses on both lists to which the question >>>went >>>out has been mostly positive. It's no scientific survey, but I think it >>>is >>>at least slightly indicative of the membership's willingness to explore >>>the >>>idea or at least humor my nonsense. People who have given more >>>straight-laced responses are no doubt secretly glad they're not the only >>>ones who thought of this, because original this idea is most certainly >>>not. >>>Let's leave out the references to accessible currency and other >>>controversial topics out of it this time around. We debate those serious >>>issues all the time and should enjoy the all too infrequent light banter. >>> >>>Best, >>> >>>Joe Orozco and the Soon to Be Improved Sir Tap-A-Lot >>> >>>What, as if you haven't ever thought of giving your cane a name??? >>> >>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, >>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk >>>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:51 PM >>>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pimp My Cane >>> >>>I'm following this thread, and I know a large percentage of the folks >>>here are NFB members; I personally a not, nor any organization, for >>>that matter. I find a bit of hypocrisy in this discussion: First the >>>NFB rails against things like audible cross walk signals and so on, >>>claiming that the blind don't need them, that it's not what the blind >>>"want," whatever. Same with identifiable currency. Now, however, I >>>hear a bunch of the same people saying, in effect, "I want to carry a >>>symbol of blindness! I want to proclaim my blindness to everyone so >>>that they can alter their behaviors appropriately in recognition of >>>the fact that I'm blind!" I should think the true spirit of the NFB >>>might be to use a black cane and give no indication whatsoever of >>>blindness, except on a purely voluntary basis. I just don't >>>understand this. >>> >>>Mark BurningHawk >>>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>>Namaste! >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>blindlaw mailing list >>>blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>info for blindlaw: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsoroz >>>co%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>>database 4980 (20100328) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:34:01 -0500 >> From: Candice Chapman >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> Dear NABS members, >> >> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and >> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem >> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, >> >> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >> >> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in >> >> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a >> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your >> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >> >> Best, >> Candice Chapman >> >> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Don't Throw The Nickel.doc >> Type: application/msword >> Size: 32768 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:56:53 -0400 >> From: Kerri Kosten >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Candice: >> >> This is very interesting. >> >> I definitely think it is true to pick your battles. I was flying back >> from Florida with my parents. In scrambling to find a flight, our >> seats were in separate rows. >> I did not mind this at all, as I like to be independent and after all >> my parents were still on the same plane so I did not mind at all. >> However, when we got on the plane and the flight attendant found out >> our seats were separate and I was blind, she insisted on rearranging >> the two seats so my mother and I could sit together. >> At first, I was going to protest but decided against it because after >> all it just meant my mother would be sitting together and apparently >> the person who was in the seat beside my mother willingly moved. I >> could have and maybe should have spoken up on the issue more but it >> seemed minor and nobody seemed to be bothered by it so I decided that >> battle wasn't one worth fighting. >> >> However, I do not agree with a person trying to take my cane no matter >> the situation. I would object to this and would not let it happen, but >> I would try as hard as I could to state my points and objections as >> politely as possible and try very hard not to cause a huge sceen. >> >> Just my opinion. >> >> Kerri >> >> On 4/19/10, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>> test. >>> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we >>> got >>> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted >>> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with >>> mine >>> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight >>> cane >>> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal >>> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on >>> my >>> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was >>> finally >>> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder >>> if >>> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to >>> mind >>> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The >>> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw >>> the >>> Nickel." >>> >>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>> delicately? >>> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you >>> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation >>> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than >>> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg >>> NFB >>> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above >>> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the >>> importance >>> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >>> >>> Best, >>> Candice Chapman >>> >>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:57:01 -0400 >> From: "Anjelina" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Candice: what a great thought provoking article and question. >> In my opinion, being confrontational isn't always productive. I've dealt >> with overly-helpful flight attendants' a few times who wanted to stow my >> cane somewhere else rather than let me put it along the window. >> Once I did allow my cane to be placed in a nearby closet and had no >> problem >> having it returned if I needed to use it, but I generally try to calmly >> explain that my cane will not be a bother to the other passengers and the >> importance of having it close by. >> I look forward to reading other responses. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Candice Chapman" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:34 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> >> >> >> Dear NABS members, >> >> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >> test. >> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we got >> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted >> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with mine >> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight >> cane >> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal >> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on my >> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was >> finally >> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder if >> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to mind >> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The >> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the >> Nickel." >> >> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >> delicately? >> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you >> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation >> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than >> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg >> NFB >> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above >> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the importance >> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >> >> Best, >> Candice Chapman >> >> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:32:04 -0500 >> From: Briley Pollard >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> Message-ID: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3 at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Good morning, >> >> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the situation. >> >> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >> our mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >> sets a bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in >> the future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >> tone when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >> insist that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >> why's of a certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your >> friend should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >> could've handled it in a calmer way. >> >> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think than >> >> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the >> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >> airplane rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >> >> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >> change. >> >> Just my 10 cents. >> >> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and >>> >>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem >>> >>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>> constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >>> >>> However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to >>> handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth >>> Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The >>> Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>> >>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>> in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>> make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>> person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the >>> art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of your >>> >>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>> people. >>> >>> Best, >>> Candice Chapman >>> >>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>> >>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:53:43 -0600 >> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software >> Message-ID: <4BCDBFF7.9030509 at pcdesk.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> There are several solutions available actually. What you should do >> precisely depends on your exact needs. If you could answer a couple >> questions I could probably recommend something. >> >> 1. Are you looking for a hosted solution or do you have control over the >> web server where your site is located? >> >> 2. What functions are you looking for precisely? Are you just looking >> for forums, or do you want a content management system that also happens >> to have forum functionality? >> >> 3. Do you have a particular platform said software needs to work with? >> Windows or Linux, Python or PHP, etc? >> - -- >> Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? >> Joseph C. Lininger, >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >> >> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJLzb/3AAoJEMh8jNraUiwquDgH/3uYAOfpl/24fT/6cLWIfLaK >> p/HXTs7J7OsYhcneaEru+2lVlH3MGG+8P6NaORsCBN63bnskeZeYDwtidFPZ5aW+ >> QymdFvAFs7Z7YdHESSvsjrtYsbnE06L0D/OVFLIFHRZ41FeG1ymfaikofj94XzIN >> WykQoafeyqHg3a19hzdS97oLq59Revtjxl1rEAWXEmWlZ9x9OnJM6F91fmSZVXHY >> LctdUVg3rHs8gcB9yIjyn7FBAGmkQFq51gmVLK3hp9PInaCahXIqzr4NOIuoul5s >> IC46edsMm+MaRqPwbkWif466iX4EwVpyLNs7pr/0qBpoDSFSWeO/cR5RSFTH7xo= >> =3gXa >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:32:34 -0700 >> From: Darian Smith >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello all, >> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >> blind? >> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >> Federation community/family? >> Best, >> Darian >> >> >> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>> situation. >>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>> our >>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets a >>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional tone >>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>> of a >>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>> could've >>> handled it in a calmer way. >>> >>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>> than >>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept the >>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>> airplane >>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>> change. >>> >>> Just my 10 cents. >>> >>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>> and >>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>> problem >>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>> constraint, >>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>> in >>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>>> a >>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>> your >>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >> help! To Get Involved go to: >> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 >> ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com > -- M. Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615-680-9656 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 01:15:24 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 21:15:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] summer job In-Reply-To: References: <003501cae0cc$66c9c590$5383630a@final8nt83doe1> <895AB8B7297840B49AC3824D732992FB@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: Wisconsin does have a parents' division. Here is the contact for their president: NFB Parents of Blind Children Andrea Beasley, President Wisconsin Parents of Blind Children Janesville, Wisconsin Phone: 608-563-4708 E-mail: abeasley at jb11.net If you are interested in working with a family with a blind child, contact her and ask if there are any families looking for childcare. The worst that can happen is that she says no. Also, aupair.com is a great place to look for a job as a nanny/aupair. You could even go overseas for the summer as an aupiar. One suggestion, however. This is *only* a suggestion from experience. When y ou talk to a family, don't tell them in your resume that you're blind. Instead, when you are talking about your interests and what you can do for the family, tell them that you are an advocate for the blind and a member of the NFB (or NABS). Put it in with whatever other interests you might have, such as woodcarving, sewing, reading, touring museums, attending concerts, etc. Include it, but make it look like just another part of your life, which it is. But don't wait until the phone interview or in-person interview. Doing so will mean that you have wasted time and you've wasted their time if they are not wililng to consider a blind nanny/aupair. If they are not willing, no amount of persuasion will help; trust me on this. Also consider working as a tutor for yournger children, a dog-walker and/or pet sitter, a house sitter, or a meriad of other odd jobs that are great for teens. The idea of asking a blind merchant group is also a great idea. You may not get anything more than a dishwashing or cashier job, but everyone has to start somewhere. My first non-babysitting job was dusting shelves and straightening merchandise at a Hallmark store...it was sooooo boring, but it paid minimum wage, so I kept at it until I found a better job. Try craigslist.org and other advertisement sites (Google for "job listings" and similar phrases), and do the work of slowly weeding through the not-so-great jobs to find the jobs that are what you want. Also, don't forget the power of networking! As your family, friends, fellow Federationists, and teachers if they know of any summer jobs they think you'd like. If you are interested in restaurants, for example, if you have a friend who is a waiter, ask if the restaurant they are at is hiring dishwashers or bussers. It's not glamourous work, but it pays all right and it's a start. My sister started as a busser, then went to waitress, and ended up at a much fancier restaurant as head waitress. She has gone on now, because that was her "while in college" work, but it shows potential employers that you are willing to start at the bottom and work hard to climb the ladder. Good luck! ~Jewel On 4/21/10, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Hi, > > You might want to check with your blind merchants division. Sometimes > they need people to run the registers or work in the kitchen at their > facilities. > > Just My Thoughts, > Domonique > > On 4/21/10, Hina wrote: >> i am in wisconsin, but open to relocation any where. thanks for your help. >> hina. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jewel S." >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job >> >> >> Well, where do you live? I can look it up. If I can find it, they >> probably don't exist, but chances are, they are out there. I can look >> and see what other resources are available for you, if you'll tell me >> where you are (or where you'll be for the summer, if it's different >> than current location). There may be some placement agencies in the >> area that could help you, too. I'll search for them for you; just tell >> me where *grin* >> >> The Research Geek, >> Jewel >> >> On 4/20/10, Hina wrote: >>> hi, >>> i am a computer science student and since you mentioned tech support >>> jobs, >>> >>> i >>> am looking for those kind of opportunities. so please let me know how and >>> where i can find tech support or assistive technology jobs? >>> thanks. >>> hina. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Gerardo Corripio" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] summer job >>> >>> >>> How about doing tecnocal supportfor Jaws and other blindness-related >>> software? I've heard that's what some people do. >>> Gerardo >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:48 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] summer job >>> >>> >>> I am looking for a summer job. I am wondering what types of summer jobs >>> people have had success with. I am a high school student, so there is not >>> much in terms of internships available. Most of the jobs in this area are >>> retail, kitchen help or construction. I am not quite certain how I would >>> do >>> in those types of jobs. So, any suggestions on jobs or ware to find jobs >>> would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gera1027%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Thu Apr 22 01:30:59 2010 From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org (Maryann Migliorelli) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 19:30:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question Message-ID: <001901cae1bb$76dd0290$649707b0$@org> Greetings fellow students, Has anyone been able to work with flash in Jaws? What do you need to turn on or off to get it to read and/or edit flash content? Any help I could get will be appreciated. If you want to respond off list, my email is mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Thanks in advance. Maryann Migliorelli From lindsay3.14 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 02:15:19 2010 From: lindsay3.14 at gmail.com (Lindsay Yazzolino) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:15:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind working in neuroscience? Message-ID: <39D271C1-FF47-4BC9-AD3D-F0BFCFE78A46@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, I recently received the exciting news that I will be interning at a social cognitive neuroscience lab at MIT this summer, and would love to get in touch with other blind students and professionals who are either working or have done research in the field of neuroscience, and also those involved in the areas of cognitive science and linguistics. If any of you are, or know of others in these fields, I would appreciate if you would write me offlist. I would love to hear about your experiences and areas of study, as well as to pick your brains (so to speak) about some of the challenges I can expect to encounter in terms of accessibility, i.e. how much does the factor of not being able to see images of the brain serve as an obstacle to successfully conducting research? I am very excited about this internship, and look forward to hearing from others! Thank you very much in advance for any responses. Feel free to forward this message to anyone who you believe may be interested, or to any lists for which this message would be appropriate. Lindsay From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 03:12:36 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:12:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question In-Reply-To: <001901cae1bb$76dd0290$649707b0$@org> References: <001901cae1bb$76dd0290$649707b0$@org> Message-ID: The only thing I've been able to do with Flash with JAWS is if they labelled the button for a Flash video or audio file, I can go through the buttons to play, stop, etc. Otherwise, Flash is not accessible via JAWS that I know of. ~Jewel On 4/21/10, Maryann Migliorelli wrote: > Greetings fellow students, > > Has anyone been able to work with flash in Jaws? What do you need to turn > on or off to get it to read and/or edit flash content? > > Any help I could get will be appreciated. > > If you want to respond off list, my email is > > mrsmigs at migliorelli.org > > > > Thanks in advance. > > Maryann Migliorelli > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 03:19:48 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:19:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: <8B21AD0DF9E449E280B2EEB3FEFA5FFA@jage> References: <20100421012549.21564.38804@web1> <8B21AD0DF9E449E280B2EEB3FEFA5FFA@jage> Message-ID: I currently use a support cane. My counselors and doctor have been trying to convince me to use a wheelchair or walker, but I am really not ready for that. I am seeing a chiropractor Monday who thinks he can help me, and hopefully I can convince my doctor that it is a good idea, and maybe seeing the chiropractor will keep me out of a chair. I hope to avoid it, though I will be using a chair at Disney, where one has to walk a LOT, and maybe around the school campus if necessary. But at 25 years old, I am simply not ready to give up my mobility. ~Jewel On 4/21/10, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: > I usually end up going with the 50-50 for flying because I can usually still > sneak it under my seat in the aisle. Given the uncomfortable nature of > plains, I always choose aisle seats and for me, the bit of room gained by > doing this outweighs the potential advantages of a straight cane. I did just > recently have a flight attendant who asked me to hold the cane during > takeoff, which I thought a bit weird considering the usual rules of keeping > everything put away during this time, but oh well. > All of this just to say that there is usually several different ways to do > something, and just when you think you've heard all of them, someone will > come along with a new and often plausible alternative. > > J.J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:18 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > > >> Hi all, >> >> Like others I often fly with a straight cane and stow it against the >> window, and almost always, it's no problem. I did have one stubborn >> flight attendant who wanted to put it in a closet at the front of the >> plane. I compromised with her and we decided to stow the cane in the >> overhead directly above my seat. We put it up together and I made sure >> I knew exactly where it was and that it was in reach of my seat in the >> event that I would need it in an emergency. That's another option to >> consider before resorting to battle. I agree that I'd never let >> someone put my cane in a closet where I couldn't get to it, but the >> overhead solution, while not ideal, was good enough. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/20/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. >>> Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the >>> option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you >>> can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a >>> simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in >>> this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you >>> should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it >>> next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are >>> passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the >>> trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is >>> fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I >>> will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very >>> much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with >>> that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my >>> purse, and my straight cane, just in case. >>> Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that >>> there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic >>> representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also >>> highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and >>> pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. >>> However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have >>> different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different >>> options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, >>> as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks >>> less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to >>> hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, >>> and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness >>> better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under >>> the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. >>> That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and >>> then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is >>> self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. >>> Sincerely, >>> Mary >>> >>> On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: >>>> Jewel, >>>> >>>> Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or even >>>> a support cane with the white cane? >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... >>>> >>>>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >>>>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >>>>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >>>>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>>>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>>>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>>>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>>>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >>>>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>>>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>>>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>>>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>>>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>>>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>>>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>>>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>>>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >>>>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>>>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>>>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>>>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>>>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>>>> for obstacles. >>>> >>>>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >>>>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >>>>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>>>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>>>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >>>>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >>>>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>>>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>>>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>>>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>>>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>>>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>>>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>>>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >>>>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>>>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>>>> graphite cane. >>>> >>>>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >>>>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >>>>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>>>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >>>>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>>>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>>>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* >>>> >>>>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>>>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>>>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >>>>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>>>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >>>>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>>>> but I don't always have the time. >>>> >>>>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>>>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>>>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>>>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>>>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>>>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>>>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>>>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>>>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>>>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>>>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>>>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>>>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>>>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>>>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >>>>> to grab an extra snack for me. >>>> >>>>> My two cents, >>>>> Jewel >>>> >>>>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>>>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>>>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>>>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>>>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>>>> blind? >>>>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>>>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>>>> Federation community/family? >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Darian >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>> Good morning, >>>> >>>>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>>>>>> sets >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>>>>> tone >>>>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>>>> insist >>>>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>>>>>> why's >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>>>> could've >>>>>>> handled it in a calmer way. >>>> >>>>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>>>>> change. >>>> >>>>>>> Just my 10 cents. >>>> >>>>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by >>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. >>>>>>>> She >>>>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>>>> constraint, >>>>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> >>>>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>>>> situations >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>>>>>>> person, >>>>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>>>>> inbox. >>>>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Darian Smith >>>>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>>>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>>>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>>>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>>>>> help! 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Meddaugh) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:23:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships References: Message-ID: <1725DFC289D549FBA84CA5D220D2E60C@jage> It'll be earlier than that, usually within the first two weeks in May but it could be up to June 1. J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Wooten" To: "nnpJennifer Applegate" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships >I read on the NFB Home page thatthe recipients are notified by phone > in the beginning of June. Good luck to you > Best Regards, > Brian Wooten > Nashville Tn > > On 4/21/10, Jennifer Applegate wrote: >> Does anyone know when and how nfb national scholarship winners are >> notified? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:00 PM >> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 >> >> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM EST >>> (Diggs, Parnell) >>> 2. New List for Blind Conservatives (RyanO) >>> 3. Re: Not Just Your Average Cane (T. Joseph Carter) >>> 4. Help-Philosophy Question (Candice Chapman) >>> 5. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Kerri Kosten) >>> 6. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Anjelina) >>> 7. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Briley Pollard) >>> 8. Re: Bulletin board software (Joseph C. Lininger) >>> 9. Re: Help-Philosophy Question (Darian Smith) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:38:23 -0500 >>> From: "Diggs, Parnell" (by way of David Andrews >>> ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Conference Call tomorrow, April 20, 2010, at 8:00 PM >>> EST >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> >>> Dear Colleagues: >>> >>> Some of my fellow Federationists have asked me to conduct a >>> fundraising seminar for those participating in the 2010 Race for >>> Independence. >>> >>> The Dallas Convention is approaching fast, and we need to kick it >>> into high gear for the final push to generate proceeds for NFB >>> programs at the national, state, and local levels. >>> >>> If you have signed-up for the Race for Independence, or if you plan >>> to do so, please call into (800) 910-2399 and use code 573791 >>> tomorrow night, Tuesday, April 20, at 8:00 p.m. (eastern). >>> >>> The call will last no longer than thirty minutes. During this brief >>> call, you will be able to hear from some of those who have already >>> met their fundraising goals for 2010. >>> >>> Find out how they did it. There is ample time to raise $250 by July >>> 31, but we need to start now. I look forward to your participation >>> in this important call, and I thank you for the work you are doing. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Parnell Diggs, Chairman >>> National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 20:32:10 -0500 >>> From: "RyanO" (by way of David Andrews >>> ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] New List for Blind Conservatives >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> I have been asked to circulate the following: >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In October, 2008, a fellow Federationist and I were asked to reach >>> out to the McCain campaign in hopes of persuading a representative to >>> come speak at our monthly Denver chapter meeting on the topic of >>> disability issues. We already had a rep from the Obama campaign in >>> the person of one of our members, who was an official Obama >>> surrogate. After several days of phone tag, I was informed that the >>> McCain camp would not be sending a representative to speak to us. The >>> reason I was given was because, "Obama was just too far ahead on >>> disability issues." >>> >>> I and my fellow conservative blind friends were angry and hurt. We >>> tried to give both sides equal time and felt we'd been told that we >>> didn't matter. To that end, I felt I had two options. The first was >>> to quit being a conservative and jump ship over to the other side. >>> The second option was to get more actively involved and to make our >>> voices heard on all levels. Anyone who knows me knows that option one >>> was not an option. >>> >>> To that end, I have created a mailing list called, Brush Fires. It is >>> primarily for blind conservatives so that we may form a network of >>> communication and information. Let me stress that everyone is welcome >>> on this list, no matter what their political stripe may be. In the >>> spirit of the Federation, I believe that healthy debate and >>> discussion fosters a more vibrant society for all of its members. >>> >>> Right now, the list is announce only. If we get big enough, I plan to >>> turn it into a discussion mailing list. For more information, please >>> Email me at >>> ryano218 at comcast.net >>> >>> Thank you for your time and attention. >>> >>> >>> RyanO >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 19:28:52 -0700 >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Not Just Your Average Cane >>> Message-ID: <20100420022851.GI90257 at yumi.bluecherry.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >>> >>> Catching up on piles of email, I saw this thread. I can already see >>> Joe Orozco wearing a giant talking watch around his neck. >>> >>> In all seriousness (or at least some seriousness), aside from the >>> specific legal status afforded to a cane that is specifically white >>> in many jurisdictions, I see no reason why one couldn't have one or >>> more canes that reflect your personality. In my case, I can picture >>> one with a more ivory gloss finish, a leather grip, and polished >>> steel cap with a satin finish. It would be exactly the sort of cane >>> I would take to more upscale events and the like. >>> >>> That said, finding a good way to treat the chips and scratches my >>> general every day working cane is subjected to would be a good start. >>> I've seen a number of rigid NFB canes that have gotten so much use >>> that the bottom foot or so are graphite black because the white >>> coating has completely chipped away. Not exactly what I want when I >>> want to look my best! >>> >>> And yes, the big talking watch for Joe to wear around his neck should >>> have that [CENSORED] rooster alarm. >>> >>> Joseph >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:33:56PM -0400, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>Hi Mark, >>>> >>>>Having started the thread, I feel compelled to respond to your >>>>thoughtful >>>>post. It goes without say that people's opinions here do not reflect >>>>any >>>>official NFB positions, and I honestly doubt the NFB would genuinely >>>>care >>>>if >>>>all its members suddenly decided to sport a wide range of colorfully >>>>decorated canes. I think Dr. Maurer would probably find the concept >>>>amusing, and doesn't Whozit sport a black cane in our logo? That fellow >>>>was >>>>far ahead of the curve. >>>> >>>>For my own part, I'm headed to Michael's sometime soon to embark upon a >>>>project to transform my own cane into the walking wonder I know it can >>>>be. >>>>I think that in doing so I would do well to use a measure of practical >>>>sense. Security checkpoints at airports and federal buildings would >>>>probably not look kindly on a cane that is different from what is >>>>popularly >>>>accepted. We can't expect the world to automatically get that blind >>>>people >>>>have their own sense of pizzazz, and by the same token, we can't expect >>>>people to pick up on the fact we're blind at night if using something as >>>>obscure as a black cane, even though I agree with the previous >>>>subscriber >>>>that motorists should respect pedestrians with or without this new breed >>>>of >>>>eye candy. >>>> >>>>I'm glad people pointed out the jurisdictions that specifically call for >>>>the >>>>cane to be white. In asking my question, sarcasm notwithstanding, I was >>>>not >>>>really setting out to violate laws that are meant to preserve my safety, >>>>but >>>>I do not want these laws to tuck me away into a label that can be every >>>>bit >>>>as condescending as terms like "handicapped." If senior citizens can >>>>sport >>>>all manner of creatively designed walking canes, by golly, I want my own >>>>mode of transportation to broadcast my own sense of humor. It's not as >>>>if >>>> >>>>I >>>>can smack a bumper sticker on my German shepherd's butt and call it >>>>good, >>>>although, can you imagine the wide range of clever slogans one could >>>>produce >>>>with that kind of strategic angle? >>>> >>>>All of this having been said, I spent nearly a year working on behalf of >>>>victims of human trafficking. I learned all about the negative >>>>connotations >>>>associated with words like "pimping," and for using that term to catch >>>>your >>>>attention, I am truly sorry. >>>> >>>>In summation, I think the responses on both lists to which the question >>>>went >>>>out has been mostly positive. It's no scientific survey, but I think it >>>>is >>>>at least slightly indicative of the membership's willingness to explore >>>>the >>>>idea or at least humor my nonsense. People who have given more >>>>straight-laced responses are no doubt secretly glad they're not the only >>>>ones who thought of this, because original this idea is most certainly >>>>not. >>>>Let's leave out the references to accessible currency and other >>>>controversial topics out of it this time around. We debate those >>>>serious >>>>issues all the time and should enjoy the all too infrequent light >>>>banter. >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>>Joe Orozco and the Soon to Be Improved Sir Tap-A-Lot >>>> >>>>What, as if you haven't ever thought of giving your cane a name??? >>>> >>>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>>>sleeves, >>>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>[mailto:blindlaw-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mark BurningHawk >>>>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:51 PM >>>>To: NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List >>>>Subject: Re: [blindlaw] Pimp My Cane >>>> >>>>I'm following this thread, and I know a large percentage of the folks >>>>here are NFB members; I personally a not, nor any organization, for >>>>that matter. I find a bit of hypocrisy in this discussion: First the >>>>NFB rails against things like audible cross walk signals and so on, >>>>claiming that the blind don't need them, that it's not what the blind >>>>"want," whatever. Same with identifiable currency. Now, however, I >>>>hear a bunch of the same people saying, in effect, "I want to carry a >>>>symbol of blindness! I want to proclaim my blindness to everyone so >>>>that they can alter their behaviors appropriately in recognition of >>>>the fact that I'm blind!" I should think the true spirit of the NFB >>>>might be to use a black cane and give no indication whatsoever of >>>>blindness, except on a purely voluntary basis. I just don't >>>>understand this. >>>> >>>>Mark BurningHawk >>>>Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969 >>>>Home: Http://MarkBurningHawk.net/ >>>>Namaste! >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>blindlaw mailing list >>>>blindlaw at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>info for blindlaw: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindlaw_nfbnet.org/jsoroz >>>>co%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>>virus signature database 4980 (20100328) __________ >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>>database 4980 (20100328) __________ >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 22:34:01 -0500 >>> From: Candice Chapman >>> To: >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> >>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>> and >>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>> problem >>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>> constraint, >>> >>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps >>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>> >>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>> in >>> >>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>> a >>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>> your >>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>> people. >>> >>> Best, >>> Candice Chapman >>> >>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: Don't Throw The Nickel.doc >>> Type: application/msword >>> Size: 32768 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 00:56:53 -0400 >>> From: Kerri Kosten >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Candice: >>> >>> This is very interesting. >>> >>> I definitely think it is true to pick your battles. I was flying back >>> from Florida with my parents. In scrambling to find a flight, our >>> seats were in separate rows. >>> I did not mind this at all, as I like to be independent and after all >>> my parents were still on the same plane so I did not mind at all. >>> However, when we got on the plane and the flight attendant found out >>> our seats were separate and I was blind, she insisted on rearranging >>> the two seats so my mother and I could sit together. >>> At first, I was going to protest but decided against it because after >>> all it just meant my mother would be sitting together and apparently >>> the person who was in the seat beside my mother willingly moved. I >>> could have and maybe should have spoken up on the issue more but it >>> seemed minor and nobody seemed to be bothered by it so I decided that >>> battle wasn't one worth fighting. >>> >>> However, I do not agree with a person trying to take my cane no matter >>> the situation. I would object to this and would not let it happen, but >>> I would try as hard as I could to state my points and objections as >>> politely as possible and try very hard not to cause a huge sceen. >>> >>> Just my opinion. >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 4/19/10, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. >>>> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we >>>> got >>>> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted >>>> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with >>>> mine >>>> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight >>>> cane >>>> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal >>>> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on >>>> my >>>> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was >>>> finally >>>> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder >>>> if >>>> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to >>>> mind >>>> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in >>>> The >>>> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw >>>> the >>>> Nickel." >>>> >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? >>>> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which >>>> you >>>> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a >>>> situation >>>> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than >>>> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg >>>> NFB >>>> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the >>>> above >>>> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the >>>> importance >>>> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 02:57:01 -0400 >>> From: "Anjelina" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Candice: what a great thought provoking article and question. >>> In my opinion, being confrontational isn't always productive. I've dealt >>> with overly-helpful flight attendants' a few times who wanted to stow my >>> cane somewhere else rather than let me put it along the window. >>> Once I did allow my cane to be placed in a nearby closet and had no >>> problem >>> having it returned if I needed to use it, but I generally try to calmly >>> explain that my cane will not be a bother to the other passengers and >>> the >>> importance of having it close by. >>> I look forward to reading other responses. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Candice Chapman" >>> To: >>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:34 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear NABS members, >>> >>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>> test. >>> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we >>> got >>> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted >>> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with >>> mine >>> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight >>> cane >>> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal >>> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on >>> my >>> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was >>> finally >>> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder >>> if >>> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to >>> mind >>> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in >>> The >>> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw >>> the >>> Nickel." >>> >>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>> delicately? >>> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you >>> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a >>> situation >>> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than >>> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg >>> NFB >>> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the >>> above >>> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the >>> importance >>> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >>> >>> Best, >>> Candice Chapman >>> >>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>> inbox. >>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:32:04 -0500 >>> From: Briley Pollard >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> Message-ID: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3 at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>> situation. >>> >>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>> our mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>> sets a bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in >>> the future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>> tone when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>> insist that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>> why's of a certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your >>> friend should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>> could've handled it in a calmer way. >>> >>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>> than >>> >>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>> the >>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>> airplane rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm >>> and >>> >>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>> change. >>> >>> Just my 10 cents. >>> >>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>> and >>>> >>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>> problem >>>> >>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>> constraint, my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her >>>> cane. >>>> >>>> However I can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to >>>> handle the situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth >>>> Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, >>>> The >>>> Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>> in which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>> make a situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>>> person, rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the >>>> art of negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>> your >>>> >>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>> people. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>> >>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:53:43 -0600 >>> From: "Joseph C. Lininger" >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software >>> Message-ID: <4BCDBFF7.9030509 at pcdesk.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA256 >>> >>> There are several solutions available actually. What you should do >>> precisely depends on your exact needs. If you could answer a couple >>> questions I could probably recommend something. >>> >>> 1. Are you looking for a hosted solution or do you have control over the >>> web server where your site is located? >>> >>> 2. What functions are you looking for precisely? Are you just looking >>> for forums, or do you want a content management system that also happens >>> to have forum functionality? >>> >>> 3. Do you have a particular platform said software needs to work with? >>> Windows or Linux, Python or PHP, etc? >>> - -- >>> Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? >>> Joseph C. Lininger, >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >>> >>> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJLzb/3AAoJEMh8jNraUiwquDgH/3uYAOfpl/24fT/6cLWIfLaK >>> p/HXTs7J7OsYhcneaEru+2lVlH3MGG+8P6NaORsCBN63bnskeZeYDwtidFPZ5aW+ >>> QymdFvAFs7Z7YdHESSvsjrtYsbnE06L0D/OVFLIFHRZ41FeG1ymfaikofj94XzIN >>> WykQoafeyqHg3a19hzdS97oLq59Revtjxl1rEAWXEmWlZ9x9OnJM6F91fmSZVXHY >>> LctdUVg3rHs8gcB9yIjyn7FBAGmkQFq51gmVLK3hp9PInaCahXIqzr4NOIuoul5s >>> IC46edsMm+MaRqPwbkWif466iX4EwVpyLNs7pr/0qBpoDSFSWeO/cR5RSFTH7xo= >>> =3gXa >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 08:32:34 -0700 >>> From: Darian Smith >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello all, >>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>> blind? >>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>> Federation community/family? >>> Best, >>> Darian >>> >>> >>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>> Good morning, >>>> >>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>> situation. >>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>>> our >>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>>> a >>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>> tone >>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>> insist >>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>>> of a >>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>> could've >>>> handled it in a calmer way. >>>> >>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>> than >>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>> the >>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>> airplane >>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>> change. >>>> >>>> Just my 10 cents. >>>> >>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear NABS members, >>>>> >>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>>> and >>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>> problem >>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing >>>>> the >>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic >>>>> and >>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>> constraint, >>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However >>>>> I >>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>> perhaps >>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>>> >>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>> situations >>>>> in >>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>> make >>>>> a >>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>> your >>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>> people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Candice Chapman >>>>> >>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>> inbox. >>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>> help! To Get Involved go to: >>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 19 >>> ************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > M. Brian Wooten > Nashville, Tennessee > Phone: 615-680-9656 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu Apr 22 06:13:14 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 02:13:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question Message-ID: <20100422061314.27517.19770@web2> Jewel, Funnily enough, it may be the wheelchair that gives you mobility you haven't seemed to have for some time. Adopting a wheelchair into one's life is much like adopting a white cane. It's not so much the actual thing we're afraid of, but what it means for us to have that thing in our lives. For many who have trouble accepting the white cane, they're afraid of a lesser status or that they are accepting some kind of defeat. We in the Federation know that this is not the case and often tends to be the opposite. Just a thought. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I currently use a support cane. My counselors and doctor have been > trying to convince me to use a wheelchair or walker, but I am really > not ready for that. I am seeing a chiropractor Monday who thinks he > can help me, and hopefully I can convince my doctor that it is a good > idea, and maybe seeing the chiropractor will keep me out of a chair. I > hope to avoid it, though I will be using a chair at Disney, where one > has to walk a LOT, and maybe around the school campus if necessary. > But at 25 years old, I am simply not ready to give up my mobility. > ~Jewel > On 4/21/10, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >> I usually end up going with the 50-50 for flying because I can usually still >> sneak it under my seat in the aisle. Given the uncomfortable nature of >> plains, I always choose aisle seats and for me, the bit of room gained by >> doing this outweighs the potential advantages of a straight cane. I did just >> recently have a flight attendant who asked me to hold the cane during >> takeoff, which I thought a bit weird considering the usual rules of keeping >> everything put away during this time, but oh well. >> All of this just to say that there is usually several different ways to do >> something, and just when you think you've heard all of them, someone will >> come along with a new and often plausible alternative. >> J.J. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >>> Hi all, >>> Like others I often fly with a straight cane and stow it against the >>> window, and almost always, it's no problem. I did have one stubborn >>> flight attendant who wanted to put it in a closet at the front of the >>> plane. I compromised with her and we decided to stow the cane in the >>> overhead directly above my seat. We put it up together and I made sure >>> I knew exactly where it was and that it was in reach of my seat in the >>> event that I would need it in an emergency. That's another option to >>> consider before resorting to battle. I agree that I'd never let >>> someone put my cane in a closet where I couldn't get to it, but the >>> overhead solution, while not ideal, was good enough. >>> Arielle >>> On 4/20/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>> There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. >>>> Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the >>>> option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you >>>> can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a >>>> simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in >>>> this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you >>>> should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it >>>> next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are >>>> passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the >>>> trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is >>>> fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I >>>> will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very >>>> much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with >>>> that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my >>>> purse, and my straight cane, just in case. >>>> Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that >>>> there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic >>>> representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also >>>> highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and >>>> pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. >>>> However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have >>>> different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different >>>> options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, >>>> as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks >>>> less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to >>>> hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, >>>> and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness >>>> better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under >>>> the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. >>>> That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and >>>> then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is >>>> self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Mary >>>> On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: >>>>> Jewel, >>>>> Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or even >>>>> a support cane with the white cane? >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... >>>>>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >>>>>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >>>>>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >>>>>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>>>>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>>>>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>>>>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>>>>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >>>>>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>>>>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>>>>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>>>>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>>>>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>>>>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>>>>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>>>>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>>>>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >>>>>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>>>>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>>>>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>>>>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>>>>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>>>>> for obstacles. >>>>>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >>>>>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >>>>>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>>>>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>>>>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >>>>>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >>>>>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>>>>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>>>>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>>>>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>>>>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>>>>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>>>>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>>>>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >>>>>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>>>>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>>>>> graphite cane. >>>>>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >>>>>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >>>>>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>>>>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >>>>>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>>>>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>>>>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* >>>>>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>>>>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>>>>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >>>>>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>>>>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >>>>>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>>>>> but I don't always have the time. >>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>>>>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>>>>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>>>>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>>>>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>>>>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>>>>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>>>>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>>>>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>>>>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>>>>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>>>>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>>>>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>>>>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>>>>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >>>>>> to grab an extra snack for me. >>>>>> My two cents, >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>>>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>>>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>>>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>>>>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>>>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>>>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>>>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>>>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>>>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>>>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>>>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>>>>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>>>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>>>>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>>>>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>>>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>>>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>>>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>>>>> blind? >>>>>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>>>>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>>>>> Federation community/family? >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Darian >>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>> Good morning, >>>>>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>>>>>>> sets >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>>>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>>>>>> tone >>>>>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>>>>> insist >>>>>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>>>>>>> why's >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>>>>> could've >>>>>>>> handled it in a calmer way. >>>>>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>>>>>> change. >>>>>>>> Just my 10 cents. >>>>>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear NABS members, >>>>>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by >>>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. >>>>>>>>> She >>>>>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>>>>> constraint, >>>>>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>>>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>>>>> situations >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>>>>>>>> person, >>>>>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Candice Chapman >>>>>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>>>>>> inbox. >>>>>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>>>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Darian Smith >>>>>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>>>>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>>>>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>>>>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>>>>>> help! 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Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From kc2992a at student.american.edu Thu Apr 22 12:25:55 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 08:25:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind working in neuroscience? In-Reply-To: <39D271C1-FF47-4BC9-AD3D-F0BFCFE78A46@gmail.com> References: <39D271C1-FF47-4BC9-AD3D-F0BFCFE78A46@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Lindsay, Although I don't have any useful information for you, I just wanted to congratulate you on your internship. Kate Carroll On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Lindsay Yazzolino wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I recently received the exciting news that I will be interning at a social > cognitive neuroscience lab at MIT this summer, and would love to get in > touch with other blind students and professionals who are either working or > have done research in the field of neuroscience, and also those involved in > the areas of cognitive science and linguistics. If any of you are, or know > of others in these fields, I would appreciate if you would write me offlist. > I would love to hear about your experiences and areas of study, as well as > to pick your brains (so to speak) about some of the challenges I can expect > to encounter in terms of accessibility, i.e. how much does the factor of not > being able to see images of the brain serve as an obstacle to successfully > conducting research? I am very excited about this internship, and look > forward to hearing from others! > > Thank you very much in advance for any responses. Feel free to forward this > message to anyone who you believe may be interested, or to any lists for > which this message would be appropriate. > > Lindsay > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL American University 631 521 3018 From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 15:09:17 2010 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania ) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:09:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind working in neuroscience? In-Reply-To: References: <39D271C1-FF47-4BC9-AD3D-F0BFCFE78A46@gmail.com> Message-ID: Congradulations Linzy! That is wonderful! I am happy for you. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katy Carroll Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind working in neuroscience? Dear Lindsay, Although I don't have any useful information for you, I just wanted to congratulate you on your internship. Kate Carroll On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Lindsay Yazzolino wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I recently received the exciting news that I will be interning at a > social cognitive neuroscience lab at MIT this summer, and would love > to get in touch with other blind students and professionals who are > either working or have done research in the field of neuroscience, and > also those involved in the areas of cognitive science and > linguistics. If any of you are, or know of others in these fields, I would appreciate if you would write me offlist. > I would love to hear about your experiences and areas of study, as > well as to pick your brains (so to speak) about some of the > challenges I can expect to encounter in terms of accessibility, i.e. > how much does the factor of not being able to see images of the brain > serve as an obstacle to successfully conducting research? I am very > excited about this internship, and look forward to hearing from others! > > Thank you very much in advance for any responses. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2828 - Release Date: 04/22/10 01:31:00 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 14:54:56 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 10:54:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: <20100422061314.27517.19770@web2> References: <20100422061314.27517.19770@web2> Message-ID: Jedi, You make a good point. One of my main worries about wheelchair use is that once I am using a wheelchair, I'll need to use it more and more because I'm not forcing my body to work, and it'll be a downward spiral until I'm a full-time wheelchair user with no chance of walking without a lot of pain and struggle. It's a difficult transition for me. The white cane was not a difficult transition for me, though I know some for whom it has been. Of course, I was lucky in that I was still recovering in the hospital from my chemical burn when I got my first cane travel lesson from a friend who's wife was totally blind. That early introduction to cane travel that allowed me to leave my hospital bed durin gthat looong week, and the early introduction to Braille I received from the same friend that allowed me to spend my time learning Braille instead of lying there sedetary allowed me to become passionate about the impact on my life that both the cane and Braille would have, and helped me understand from the beginning of my blindness that I was going to be all right eventually. I guess I have just not had that "diving in head first" experience with the wheelchair. I still have the option of ignoring wheelchair use and my stubborn independence tells me to forego it as long as I can. I'm not saying it's the right course, but it's the one my mind is telling me to take. I'm going to be seeing several new doctors soon...a neurologist, a chiropractor, and a pain clinic specialist, so hopefully they'll be able to help me or tell me what I need to hear to accept my disability. ~Jewelq On 4/22/10, Jedi wrote: > Jewel, > > Funnily enough, it may be the wheelchair that gives you mobility you > haven't seemed to have for some time. Adopting a wheelchair into one's > life is much like adopting a white cane. It's not so much the actual > thing we're afraid of, but what it means for us to have that thing in > our lives. For many who have trouble accepting the white cane, they're > afraid of a lesser status or that they are accepting some kind of > defeat. We in the Federation know that this is not the case and often > tends to be the opposite. Just a thought. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > Original message: >> I currently use a support cane. My counselors and doctor have been >> trying to convince me to use a wheelchair or walker, but I am really >> not ready for that. I am seeing a chiropractor Monday who thinks he >> can help me, and hopefully I can convince my doctor that it is a good >> idea, and maybe seeing the chiropractor will keep me out of a chair. I >> hope to avoid it, though I will be using a chair at Disney, where one >> has to walk a LOT, and maybe around the school campus if necessary. >> But at 25 years old, I am simply not ready to give up my mobility. > >> ~Jewel > >> On 4/21/10, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >>> I usually end up going with the 50-50 for flying because I can usually >>> still >>> sneak it under my seat in the aisle. Given the uncomfortable nature of >>> plains, I always choose aisle seats and for me, the bit of room gained by >>> doing this outweighs the potential advantages of a straight cane. I did >>> just >>> recently have a flight attendant who asked me to hold the cane during >>> takeoff, which I thought a bit weird considering the usual rules of >>> keeping >>> everything put away during this time, but oh well. >>> All of this just to say that there is usually several different ways to >>> do >>> something, and just when you think you've heard all of them, someone will >>> come along with a new and often plausible alternative. > >>> J.J. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> Like others I often fly with a straight cane and stow it against the >>>> window, and almost always, it's no problem. I did have one stubborn >>>> flight attendant who wanted to put it in a closet at the front of the >>>> plane. I compromised with her and we decided to stow the cane in the >>>> overhead directly above my seat. We put it up together and I made sure >>>> I knew exactly where it was and that it was in reach of my seat in the >>>> event that I would need it in an emergency. That's another option to >>>> consider before resorting to battle. I agree that I'd never let >>>> someone put my cane in a closet where I couldn't get to it, but the >>>> overhead solution, while not ideal, was good enough. > >>>> Arielle > >>>> On 4/20/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. >>>>> Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the >>>>> option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you >>>>> can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a >>>>> simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in >>>>> this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you >>>>> should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it >>>>> next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are >>>>> passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the >>>>> trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is >>>>> fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I >>>>> will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very >>>>> much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with >>>>> that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my >>>>> purse, and my straight cane, just in case. >>>>> Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that >>>>> there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic >>>>> representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also >>>>> highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and >>>>> pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. >>>>> However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have >>>>> different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different >>>>> options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, >>>>> as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks >>>>> less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to >>>>> hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, >>>>> and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness >>>>> better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under >>>>> the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. >>>>> That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and >>>>> then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is >>>>> self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Mary > >>>>> On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: >>>>>> Jewel, > >>>>>> Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or >>>>>> even >>>>>> a support cane with the white cane? > >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi > > >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > >>>>>>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or >>>>>>> follow >>>>>>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>>>>>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>>>>>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>>>>>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>>>>>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>>>>>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>>>>>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>>>>>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>>>>>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>>>>>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>>>>>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>>>>>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>>>>>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>>>>>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>>>>>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>>>>>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>>>>>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>>>>>> for obstacles. > >>>>>>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding >>>>>>> cane >>>>>>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a >>>>>>> straight >>>>>>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>>>>>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>>>>>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just >>>>>>> personal >>>>>>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>>>>>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>>>>>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>>>>>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>>>>>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>>>>>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>>>>>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>>>>>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could >>>>>>> end >>>>>>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>>>>>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>>>>>> graphite cane. > >>>>>>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>>>>>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>>>>>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>>>>>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* > >>>>>>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>>>>>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>>>>>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>>>>>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>>>>>> but I don't always have the time. > >>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>>>>>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>>>>>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>>>>>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>>>>>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>>>>>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>>>>>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>>>>>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>>>>>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>>>>>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>>>>>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>>>>>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>>>>>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>>>>>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>>>>>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the >>>>>>> group >>>>>>> to grab an extra snack for me. > >>>>>>> My two cents, >>>>>>> Jewel > >>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>>>>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>>>>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>>>>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>>>>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>>>>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>>>>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>>>>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>>>>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>>>>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>>>>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in >>>>>>>> blindness >>>>>>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>>>>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? >>>>>>>> Or, >>>>>>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>>>>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>>>>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>>>>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>>>>>> blind? >>>>>>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>>>>>> Federation community/family? >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Darian > > >>>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>>> Good morning, > >>>>>>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>>>>>>>> sets >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm >>>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>>> tone >>>>>>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>>>>>> insist >>>>>>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>>>>>>>> why's >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>>>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>>>>>> could've >>>>>>>>> handled it in a calmer way. > >>>>>>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to >>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>>>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> change. > >>>>>>>>> Just my 10 cents. > >>>>>>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear NABS members, > >>>>>>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by >>>>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. >>>>>>>>>> She >>>>>>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that >>>>>>>>>> storing >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a >>>>>>>>>> loud, >>>>>>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of >>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>>>>>> constraint, >>>>>>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." > >>>>>>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>>>>>> situations >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>>>>>>>>> person, >>>>>>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the >>>>>>>>>> art >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>>>>>> people. > > >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Candice Chapman > >>>>>>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> inbox. >>>>>>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>>>>>>> Throw The >>>>>>>>>> Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Darian Smith >>>>>>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>>>>>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide >>>>>>>> teacher >>>>>>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>>>>>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>>>>>>> help! 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It must be earned. >>>>> President Barack Obama > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > > > >>>> -- >>>> Arielle Silverman >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>> Email: >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> Website: >>>> www.nabslink.org > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From jbahm at pcdesk.net Thu Apr 22 17:00:48 2010 From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:00:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software In-Reply-To: <20100420224227.GE51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20100419003958.GC79768@yumi.bluecherry.net> <4BCDBFF7.9030509@pcdesk.net> <20100420224227.GE51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <4BD080C0.1000901@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Good morning, I have quoted parts of your message inline and responded to them. Just as a heads up. > 1. It is a hosted solution, but at the moment it looks like the host is gonna be > Dreamhost, so there's a lot of leeway for what I want to do with it. I don't have much experience with that one. Most times when I've done something like this, I've run it on a personal or company server so I could install what ever I wanted. That being said, some hosting companies offer message board software, wiki software, etc. etc. etc. Some even let you install your own stuff if you want. We'll go with the assumption this one either comes with something you can use, or will let you install what ever you want to for the purposes of this discussion. > 2. I'm looking ultimately for a discussion forum and possibly a wiki open to certain > contributors to collect the best collective wisdom of the forums into a more easily > searched manner. Integration here isn't critical, but I wouldn't mind if it were > present certainly. I'll give you some information for each function you want, then suggest a couple that might work if you want a solution that can do both. Ok, first, wiki software. There are tons of them. If you want a Python based solution, which I'm gathering you don't based on your previous message, MoinMoin is probably the most popular. If you want a PHP based solution, you can look at MediaWiki, which is the software wikipedia uses. There is also dokuWiki if you'd like something simpler. See below though because I suggest a couple others which integrate forums. AS far as PHP based forum software, phpBB is a common solution. You mentioned that people might make it inaccessible via graphics and that. Well, phpBB doesn't allow imbedded content, and it doesn't look as though it requires java script or anything like that. Most likely, at a minimum the basic functions will work. If you don't like something, you always have the option of customizing themes and that with it. Smilies and that will probably be a problem no matter what solution you choose, but perhaps you can administratively disable them if that's a concern. There are two solutions which integrate Wiki and forum functions. The first, IpbWiki is one you probably won't be able to use. It's wiki software based on MediaWiki with integration with a forum software package called Invision Power Board. Invision Power Board is a propriatary program which you have to pay for. The second solution is worth considering though. It's a PHP solution called TikiWiki. It's a complete content management solution. Wiki and forums just happen to be two of the functions it supports. I haven't used it myself, but it looks as though it is kind of complex. However, if you want a completely integrated solution written in PHP, it's worth looking at. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. - -- Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? Joseph C. Lininger, -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL0IDAAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqvjoIAK9d13N5XmOixCsLkbxovqlA 7T5YGyyl2I/je6DMLDLzXM1lga4cOtut82dUlQUGdOIPmNQuwqj2UyQ8ESogVxHr vE9FHYIEg3l237v70oNE/mbng51b6WqHi8aOp5HzYyyD0AjwzrOCmdFTQ/aBYi21 QAs1HF+s/Qrfj6XEx/N1PyxneY0bc+f47uWK7302NjvIZI9UOPmiDBI/uSt+26hD p4EERpOKjnwp5dQTHhHgBaUtSxLZHQIuBhmwndeaispooHjWeClRLvo+Zb17IHML 5VGSXpe4ODjWvzkHuCwFKyq2FTeEV56SJkuBgegD9CaCE9iIuYgHMVM516uQ6fg= =dUSh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From meghan at n-republic.net Thu Apr 22 17:25:57 2010 From: meghan at n-republic.net (Meghan) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:25:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Last chance for your shot at an IPod Nano or Booksense xt Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Meghan To: Meghan Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: (cl) OT: Have Paypal? Last chance for your shot at an IPod Nano or Booksense xt This Sunday, April 25, there will be two drawings at the National Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin's state convention. The first drawing is a raffle through the Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users. We are raffling off a Booksense XT. This portable bookreader will be a prized win for whomever is lucky enough to recieve it. Tickets are $2 for 1 or $5 for 3. Info on how to get your tickets at last minute is provided below. WAGDU is organizing a service dog seminar for all dog users across the country which will be held this September, and profits from this raffle will help to make this a reality. The Wisconsin Association of Blind students is raffling off an Ipod Nano or cash equal for first prize, second prize is $200 and third prize is $100. Tickets are $2 for 1 or $5 for 3. All proceeds will help us to introduce independence and opportunity to those blind students in the state of Wisconsin who have not yet found it. The funds will also help to support students on their way to National Convention this summer in Dallas Texas. Please see below on how to get your tickets in either of these two raffles. Meghan Whalen is currently president of both of these divisions, and will be accepting payment via paypal up until Saturday evening at 6:00 PM. The email address associated with the account is: mewhalen at wisc.edu Your tickets will be filled out before the drawing on Sunday morning before 10:00 AM. If you would like to listen in to see if you are the lucky winner, have no fear. Go to nfbwis.org where we will be streaming our entire convention. Take care and thank you in advance for your support. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to get in touch. Contact information is below. Best, Meghan Whalen, President Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users Wisconsin Association of Blind Students mewhalen at wisc.edu 262-844-7938 -- Please address members with dignity and respect. Failure to do so will result in termination. Members do discuss items of a personal nature which are to remain in the confines of this group. Should anyone cross-post concerns, or personal information of any kind, managers nor members are not responsible if there is betrayal. There are consequences when we make bad choices. If there is something extremely confidential, it is best not to share as we managers cannot control what happens outside the group unless written proof is directed to the owners. From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Apr 22 17:28:03 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:28:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question References: Message-ID: Where were you when the person tried to take your friend's cane? As I'm sure you know, if you were going through security,they have to take it to put it through the machine. If it was when you were actually on the plane, the attendant shouldn't have tried to take it. I don't know the best way to resolve your delema, but a loud confrontation certainly wasn't it. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > Hi Candice: > > This is very interesting. > > I definitely think it is true to pick your battles. I was flying back > from Florida with my parents. In scrambling to find a flight, our > seats were in separate rows. > I did not mind this at all, as I like to be independent and after all > my parents were still on the same plane so I did not mind at all. > However, when we got on the plane and the flight attendant found out > our seats were separate and I was blind, she insisted on rearranging > the two seats so my mother and I could sit together. > At first, I was going to protest but decided against it because after > all it just meant my mother would be sitting together and apparently > the person who was in the seat beside my mother willingly moved. I > could have and maybe should have spoken up on the issue more but it > seemed minor and nobody seemed to be bothered by it so I decided that > battle wasn't one worth fighting. > > However, I do not agree with a person trying to take my cane no matter > the situation. I would object to this and would not let it happen, but > I would try as hard as I could to state my points and objections as > politely as possible and try very hard not to cause a huge sceen. > > Just my opinion. > > Kerri > > On 4/19/10, Candice Chapman wrote: >> >> Dear NABS members, >> >> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >> test. >> I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane and we >> got >> into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She insisted >> upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a problem with >> mine >> since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the straight >> cane >> would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, obnoxious verbal >> confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and embarrassment on >> my >> part. Eventually the conflict, due to time constraint, my friend was >> finally >> mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I can't help but wonder >> if >> there was a more diplomatic way to handle the situation. It brings to >> mind >> an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, perhaps you guys know it, it's in The >> Master, The Mission, The Movement. The article is titled, "Don't Throw >> the >> Nickel." >> >> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >> delicately? >> In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations in which you >> could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make a situation >> worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, rather than >> taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of negotiationg >> NFB >> philosophy? What might you suggest as potential alternatives to the above >> confrontation? I would like to hear all of your thoughts on the >> importance >> of our philosophy in the lives of blind people. >> >> Best, >> Candice Chapman >> >> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >> inbox. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Apr 22 17:51:50 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 13:51:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ABD56D3C1C84C709F6DF4B7FFC36E45@Serene> First, as to the taking people's arms cuz of balance issues and you're worrying that they'll think it's cuz of your blindness, I have a similar issue. I have a good friend who's deaf-blind. Since he can't speak to verbally direct me, I hold on to his elbow. (He uses his limited vision quite well, so he can guide me safely.) I'm sure some people think it's cuz I'm blind, but we know it's not. I always use my cane extra carefully and am as independent as possible E.G. holding on to the railing when going up and down stairs, instead of his simply guiding me. If I just let him guide me on the stairs, instead of holding the railing, he doesn't let me get away with it! **smile** (He puts my hand on the railing to remind me to hold it and not simply let him guide me.) As far as your mobility issues in general, have you ever considered a crutch? I don't know a good technique to use it with your white cane, but I'm sure there is one. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > > I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but > that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a > sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow > a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk > because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my > boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I > *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my > cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we > make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more > vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good > as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I > stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people > will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or > accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk > on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be > walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than > I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that > is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does > it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do > walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I > would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm > the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look > for obstacles. > > Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane > as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight > cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to > worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, > because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal > preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do > is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than > graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance > and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break > under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass > straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me > sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my > hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not > want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end > up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, > but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong > graphite cane. > > The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a > lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get > things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of > these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but > I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, > all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume > that we're all alike *eyeroll* > > I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not > limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned > much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing > things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is > obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need > assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, > but I don't always have the time. > > Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness > is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not > limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other > disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a > few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support > group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I > *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy > asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you > blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for > the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It > doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I > gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need > someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), > and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts > to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group > to grab an extra snack for me. > > My two cents, > Jewel > > On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >> Hello all, >> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >> blind? >> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >> Federation community/family? >> Best, >> Darian >> >> >> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Good morning, >>> >>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>> situation. >>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>> our >>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>> a >>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>> tone >>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>> of >>> a >>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>> could've >>> handled it in a calmer way. >>> >>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>> than >>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>> the >>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>> airplane >>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>> change. >>> >>> Just my 10 cents. >>> >>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear NABS members, >>>> >>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>> and >>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>> problem >>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>> constraint, >>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>> perhaps >>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>> >>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>> in >>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>>> a >>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>> your >>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>> people. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Candice Chapman >>>> >>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>> inbox. >>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >> help! To Get Involved go to: >> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 19:27:35 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:27:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: <1ABD56D3C1C84C709F6DF4B7FFC36E45@Serene> References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com> <1ABD56D3C1C84C709F6DF4B7FFC36E45@Serene> Message-ID: My boyfriend does something very similar. When we are out and about, he steps up to the stairs, lowers his arm till my hand is touching the railing and waits. If I don't take the railing, then too bad, because we are on opposite sides of the railing. But I always take the railing, as I prefer it to someone leading me on stairs. As for the crutch, I used to use one. I found that it was very painful for my arm. The doctor re-adjusted the crutch to the right height for me, re-padded the crutch, did everything we could, but it still hurt my arm. I think it was becaus emy arm stayed in pretty much the same position as a walked, which is rough for me. My joints start cramping when that happens. ~Jewel On 4/22/10, Serena wrote: > First, as to the taking people's arms cuz of balance issues and you're > worrying that they'll think it's cuz of your blindness, I have a similar > issue. I have a good friend who's deaf-blind. Since he can't speak to > verbally direct me, I hold on to his elbow. (He uses his limited vision > quite well, so he can guide me safely.) I'm sure some people think it's cuz > I'm blind, but we know it's not. I always use my cane extra carefully and > am as independent as possible E.G. holding on to the railing when going up > and down stairs, instead of his simply guiding me. If I just let him guide > me on the stairs, instead of holding the railing, he doesn't let me get away > with it! **smile** (He puts my hand on the railing to remind me to hold it > and not simply let him guide me.) > > As far as your mobility issues in general, have you ever considered a > crutch? I don't know a good technique to use it with your white cane, but > I'm sure there is one. > > Serena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel S." > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > > >>I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... >> >> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >> for obstacles. >> >> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >> graphite cane. >> >> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >> that we're all alike *eyeroll* >> >> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >> but I don't always have the time. >> >> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >> to grab an extra snack for me. >> >> My two cents, >> Jewel >> >> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>> blind? >>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>> Federation community/family? >>> Best, >>> Darian >>> >>> >>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>> Good morning, >>>> >>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>> situation. >>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to take >>>> our >>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also sets >>>> a >>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>> tone >>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to insist >>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the why's >>>> of >>>> a >>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>> could've >>>> handled it in a calmer way. >>>> >>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>> than >>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>> the >>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>> airplane >>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>> change. >>>> >>>> Just my 10 cents. >>>> >>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dear NABS members, >>>>> >>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to the >>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>>> and >>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. She >>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>> problem >>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing the >>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic and >>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>> constraint, >>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However I >>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle the >>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>> perhaps >>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>>> >>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many situations >>>>> in >>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can make >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art of >>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>> your >>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>> people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> Candice Chapman >>>>> >>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>> inbox. >>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Darian Smith >>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>> help! To Get Involved go to: >>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From haltaf at carrollu.edu Thu Apr 22 19:43:53 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:43:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Last chance for your shot at an IPod Nano or Booksense xt References: Message-ID: hi, a few of the people who bought rafel tickets noticed that the date on the tickets is march 10 2010 which is very confusing for the people. thanks. hina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meghan" To: Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 12:25 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Last chance for your shot at an IPod Nano or Booksense xt ----- Original Message ----- From: Meghan To: Meghan Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:59 PM Subject: (cl) OT: Have Paypal? Last chance for your shot at an IPod Nano or Booksense xt This Sunday, April 25, there will be two drawings at the National Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin's state convention. The first drawing is a raffle through the Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users. We are raffling off a Booksense XT. This portable bookreader will be a prized win for whomever is lucky enough to recieve it. Tickets are $2 for 1 or $5 for 3. Info on how to get your tickets at last minute is provided below. WAGDU is organizing a service dog seminar for all dog users across the country which will be held this September, and profits from this raffle will help to make this a reality. The Wisconsin Association of Blind students is raffling off an Ipod Nano or cash equal for first prize, second prize is $200 and third prize is $100. Tickets are $2 for 1 or $5 for 3. All proceeds will help us to introduce independence and opportunity to those blind students in the state of Wisconsin who have not yet found it. The funds will also help to support students on their way to National Convention this summer in Dallas Texas. Please see below on how to get your tickets in either of these two raffles. Meghan Whalen is currently president of both of these divisions, and will be accepting payment via paypal up until Saturday evening at 6:00 PM. The email address associated with the account is: mewhalen at wisc.edu Your tickets will be filled out before the drawing on Sunday morning before 10:00 AM. If you would like to listen in to see if you are the lucky winner, have no fear. Go to nfbwis.org where we will be streaming our entire convention. Take care and thank you in advance for your support. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to get in touch. Contact information is below. Best, Meghan Whalen, President Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users Wisconsin Association of Blind Students mewhalen at wisc.edu 262-844-7938 -- Please address members with dignity and respect. Failure to do so will result in termination. Members do discuss items of a personal nature which are to remain in the confines of this group. Should anyone cross-post concerns, or personal information of any kind, managers nor members are not responsible if there is betrayal. There are consequences when we make bad choices. If there is something extremely confidential, it is best not to share as we managers cannot control what happens outside the group unless written proof is directed to the owners. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 22:58:52 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:58:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice Message-ID: Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have enough to accommodte my specific needs. Beth From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 22:59:12 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:59:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Message-ID: Is this a violation of my right of informed choice? I wish to attend LCB, but DBS told me, they'd send me to the lighthouse, but I do not wish to attend the lighthouse. ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie To: RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 4:17 PM Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Mr.. Sandefur, The Lighthouse is not residential program. They provide training services at their training centers or at the person home. If you call the office and ask to have your case open in the VR program, someone will schedule an appointment with you and complete an application for enrollment in person or over the telephone. I am unable to address the Daytona question. I have no knowledge about the mobility issue. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:22 PM To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie Subject: Re: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services How does the lighthouse do there training? Are they a residental faselity? Or do they come to the persons home. And How would you re-open my file, when it was closed in 2004? Are you telling me, that all I have to do, is call you and request for it to be re-opened? I do have a question about something in my file though. Why did daytona tell me I couldn't do mobility? I'll have a disision for you soon as to weather or not to proceed. RJ Sandefur ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie To: RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your mother. If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm Beaches at this time for training. I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to help you in making your decision about training. I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because you attached it to your e-mail. In order to assist you with training services, please call our office and ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or 866-225-0794. Bobbie Howard-Davis District Administrator . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy concerning out of state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center, which is now the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find the experience to be a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement with my councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment to blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web sight and came across the policy concerning out of state services: Out of State Services DIVISION POLICY 6.14 SUBJECT Out of State Services EFFECTIVE DATE July 9, 2003 REVISION DATE February 14, 2008 EXPIRATION DATE This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. PURPOSE To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. AUTHORITY 34 CFR 361.50(b) POLICY The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service. Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 But compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA PD-01-03: POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, settings for employment and service provision, and methods for procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS, since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've attached a document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you know who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order to make an informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004, until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs. Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 22:59:57 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:59:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Question Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Williams, Antionette To: RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:31 PM Subject: RE: Question Yes that is our policy. Antionette Williams Bureau Chief, Client Services 325 West Gaines Street Turlington Building, Suite 1114 Tallahassee, Florida 32399 (850) 245-0322 antionette.williams at dbs.fldoe.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 2:57 PM To: Williams, Antionette Subject: Re: Question Am I reading this policy correctly? I'm concittering re-opening my case, but I want to make shure I have my facts straight, before I proceed. Out of State Services DIVISION POLICY 6.14 SUBJECT Out of State Services EFFECTIVE DATE July 9, 2003 REVISION DATE February 14, 2008 EXPIRATION DATE This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. PURPOSE To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. AUTHORITY 34 CFR 361.50(b) POLICY The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service. Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 Does this mean DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB, due to causts?" This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order to make an informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004, until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs.Williams, I look forward to your answer. Sincerely, Robert Sandefur ----- Original Message ----- From: Williams, Antionette To: RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Question Hello Mr.. Sandefur' Your email was sent to me for assistance. How can I help you? Antionette Williams Bureau Chief, Client Services 325 West Gaines Street Turlington Building, Suite 1114 Tallahassee, Florida 32399 (850) 245-0322 antionette.williams at dbs.fldoe.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Elliott, Michael Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 8:36 AM To: 'RJ Sandefur'; Williams, Antionette Subject: RE: Question I am forwarding your email to Antionette Williams, who will respond to your email. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:37 PM To: Elliott, Michael Subject: Question Dear ir, I have a question concerning the following policy.S Out of State Services DIVISION POLICY 6.14 SUBJECT Out of State Services EFFECTIVE DATE July 9, 2003 REVISION DATE February 14, 2008 EXPIRATION DATE This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. PURPOSE To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. AUTHORITY 34 CFR 361.50(b) POLICY The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. Does this mean that DBS wouldn't pay if I decided to attend the Leuezinna center for the blind? However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service. I closed my case in 2004, so would I have to open up a new case with DBS, and request LCB? I want to get my facts straight concerning this issue, before I make a disision. RJ From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 23:00:19 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:00:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Message-ID: ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie To: RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your mother. If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm Beaches at this time for training. I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to help you in making your decision about training. I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because you attached it to your e-mail. In order to assist you with training services, please call our office and ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or 866-225-0794. Bobbie Howard-Davis District Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy concerning out of state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center, which is now the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find the experience to be a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement with my councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment to blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web sight and came across the policy concerning out of state services: Out of State Services DIVISION POLICY 6.14 SUBJECT Out of State Services EFFECTIVE DATE July 9, 2003 REVISION DATE February 14, 2008 EXPIRATION DATE This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. PURPOSE To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. AUTHORITY 34 CFR 361.50(b) POLICY The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service. Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 But compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA PD-01-03: POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, settings for employment and service provision, and methods for procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS, since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've attached a document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you know who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order to make an informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004, until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs. Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Standefur Informed Choice.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 39474 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Apr 22 23:29:48 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:29:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services References: Message-ID: <4DCFC366A9EE4C91B2FB225072E31F8F@Ashley> Rj, I'm not sure why you forwarded it to the list. Someone in the state NFB such as your chapter president would have to help you with this. It seems like if you can justify going to LCB and I am sure you can, then, you'll get funding up to the amount they would pay for the state training. So when you justify find out the costs of each center per month; LCB may be cheaper. Talk to both center directors and find out what LCB has that you can't get in state. Good luck. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's policy concerning out of state services ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie To: RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your mother. If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm Beaches at this time for training. I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to help you in making your decision about training. I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because you attached it to your e-mail. In order to assist you with training services, please call our office and ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or 866-225-0794. Bobbie Howard-Davis District Administrator -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for you concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy concerning out of state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center, which is now the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find the experience to be a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement with my councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment to blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the Louisiana center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web sight and came across the policy concerning out of state services: Out of State Services DIVISION POLICY 6.14 SUBJECT Out of State Services EFFECTIVE DATE July 9, 2003 REVISION DATE February 14, 2008 EXPIRATION DATE This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. PURPOSE To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. AUTHORITY 34 CFR 361.50(b) POLICY The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny an individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to approve or disapproval such a service. Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 But compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA PD-01-03: POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, settings for employment and service provision, and methods for procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this mean, that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB, due to causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS, since the previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've attached a document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you know who they are. Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll be able to have enough information in order to make an informed choice as to where to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master of theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It was tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I believe the Lord has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an effective minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to sirvive? Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out as by-vocational. In 2004, until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have a batchors degree in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my part. Mrs. Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 00:07:05 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:07:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Beth: Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the situation to him/her? I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. Hope this helps! Kerri On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am > hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in > Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to > be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to > Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, > that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose > Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and > those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The > policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state > services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. > How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about > getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I > think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be > honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have > enough to accommodte my specific needs. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Apr 23 00:23:18 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:23:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] jaws question In-Reply-To: <001901cae1bb$76dd0290$649707b0$@org> References: <001901cae1bb$76dd0290$649707b0$@org> Message-ID: There really isn't anything you can do. A Flash developer can make flash accessible if she takes the time and does the right things, but if she doesn't there isn't much you can do. Often you see "unlabeled" buttons, and sometimes you can figure it out via trial and error, but there are no JAWS settings to play with or anything. Dave At 08:30 PM 4/21/2010, you wrote: >Greetings fellow students, > >Has anyone been able to work with flash in Jaws? What do you need to turn >on or off to get it to read and/or edit flash content? > >Any help I could get will be appreciated. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 00:34:29 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:34:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice References: Message-ID: <2F0ED37A6B024294B0722B5AFD948021@hometwxakonvzn> Beth, you know DBS has done the same thing to me. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "NFB of Florida Listserv" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice > Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am > hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in > Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to > be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to > Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, > that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose > Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and > those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The > policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state > services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. > How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about > getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I > think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be > honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have > enough to accommodte my specific needs. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Fri Apr 23 00:47:59 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:47:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question References: <9C19548A-69B3-465F-815E-142EC76D70C3@gmail.com><1ABD56D3C1C84C709F6DF4B7FFC36E45@Serene> Message-ID: When I said "crutch," I actually meant support cane. Sorry. You mentioned that you currently use one. For your info, bfs and gfs often hold hands as part of their relationship, so, as long as people know you well enough to know you're dating, I think they'd assume you're holding on to him for that reason. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > My boyfriend does something very similar. When we are out and about, > he steps up to the stairs, lowers his arm till my hand is touching the > railing and waits. If I don't take the railing, then too bad, because > we are on opposite sides of the railing. But I always take the > railing, as I prefer it to someone leading me on stairs. > > As for the crutch, I used to use one. I found that it was very painful > for my arm. The doctor re-adjusted the crutch to the right height for > me, re-padded the crutch, did everything we could, but it still hurt > my arm. I think it was becaus emy arm stayed in pretty much the same > position as a walked, which is rough for me. My joints start cramping > when that happens. > > ~Jewel > > On 4/22/10, Serena wrote: >> First, as to the taking people's arms cuz of balance issues and you're >> worrying that they'll think it's cuz of your blindness, I have a similar >> issue. I have a good friend who's deaf-blind. Since he can't speak to >> verbally direct me, I hold on to his elbow. (He uses his limited vision >> quite well, so he can guide me safely.) I'm sure some people think it's >> cuz >> I'm blind, but we know it's not. I always use my cane extra carefully >> and >> am as independent as possible E.G. holding on to the railing when going >> up >> and down stairs, instead of his simply guiding me. If I just let him >> guide >> me on the stairs, instead of holding the railing, he doesn't let me get >> away >> with it! **smile** (He puts my hand on the railing to remind me to hold >> it >> and not simply let him guide me.) >> >> As far as your mobility issues in general, have you ever considered a >> crutch? I don't know a good technique to use it with your white cane, >> but >> I'm sure there is one. >> >> Serena >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jewel S." >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 2:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question >> >> >>>I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... >>> >>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, but >>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need a >>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or follow >>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes we >>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because that >>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>> for obstacles. >>> >>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding cane >>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a straight >>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just personal >>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I do >>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could end >>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>> graphite cane. >>> >>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk a >>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to get >>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, but >>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* >>> >>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from doing >>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and need >>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>> but I don't always have the time. >>> >>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the group >>> to grab an extra snack for me. >>> >>> My two cents, >>> Jewel >>> >>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look at >>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in blindness >>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? Or, >>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely to >>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>> blind? >>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such a >>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>> Federation community/family? >>>> Best, >>>> Darian >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>> Good morning, >>>>> >>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>> situation. >>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to >>>>> take >>>>> our >>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>>>> sets >>>>> a >>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in the >>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm professional >>>>> tone >>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>> insist >>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>>>> why's >>>>> of >>>>> a >>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>> could've >>>>> handled it in a calmer way. >>>>> >>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I think >>>>> than >>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to accept >>>>> the >>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>> airplane >>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring about >>>>> change. >>>>> >>>>> Just my 10 cents. >>>>> >>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear NABS members, >>>>>> >>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to >>>>>> the >>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by airplane >>>>>> and >>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. >>>>>> She >>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>> problem >>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that storing >>>>>> the >>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a loud, >>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of traffic >>>>>> and >>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>> constraint, >>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. However >>>>>> I >>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle >>>>>> the >>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>> perhaps >>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. The >>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." >>>>>> >>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>> situations >>>>>> in >>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>> make >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted person, >>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the art >>>>>> of >>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all of >>>>>> your >>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>> people. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Candice Chapman >>>>>> >>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your >>>>>> inbox. >>>>>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3>>>>> Throw The Nickel.doc>_______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Darian Smith >>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >>>> The National Federation of the Blind has launched a nationwide teacher >>>> recruitment campaign to help attract energetic and passionate >>>> individuals into the field of blindness education, and we need your >>>> help! To Get Involved go to: >>>> www.TeachBlindStudents.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Apr 23 00:52:10 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:52:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice References: Message-ID: <8EC944594C4046E989607A464FCD27BB@Ashley> Beth, Have you justified it in writing? Someone else just forwarded the Florida policy and I read it. It says if you choose an out of state provider, they will only pay for what they would have paid for you in state. This is equivalent funding and I'm not sure it violates informed choice. You may have to ask someone at the federal level in the rehab services administration. Yes nfb does need to be involved to change a policy because one client cannot do it alone. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "NFB of Florida Listserv" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 6:58 PM Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice > Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am > hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in > Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to > be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to > Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, > that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose > Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and > those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The > policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state > services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. > How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about > getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I > think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be > honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have > enough to accommodte my specific needs. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Fri Apr 23 01:16:06 2010 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 18:16:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question In-Reply-To: References: <20100422061314.27517.19770@web2> Message-ID: Hi Jewel, I wonder if you have ever tried a folding support cane? I had never heard of the folding support cane until a mobility teacher introduced me to it a couple of years ago. I also have balance problems most likely due to degenerative disk disease. It can really compromise my mobility in combination with my near total blindness. The folding support cane is not something I use every day, but as situations arise. I am still experimenting with it, it can be part of other tricks or tips you develop. For me, it helps when I am crossing streets and must step down from a high curb to the street surface and need extra stability, and when I am on uneven terrain. This is how I use it, it sounds like you are very innovative and thoughtful, so see if the following is something that is relevant to you. Presently, if I am having what we can call a "bad balance day," I will fold up my cane and use the strap to loop the folded cane over my left wrist. I will also bend my elbow so it kind of hangs down about a foot or so--it is short, I am sorry I do not know how long it is when folded up exactly. It is not likely to drag on the ground if I extend my arm, of course, I just want it to stay on my wrist and be easy to slip off and fold to it's full length if I need it to support my weight. In my right hand, I use a long white cane for orientation and mobility. It is surprisingly easy to walk with two canes when you need to unfold the support cane and use both at the same time. Usually, I only need the cane for a certain stretch of sidewalk, or steps or to cross an intersection. I also sometimes just fold it up and tuck it into my purse if I think I will need it. Obviously, it helps me with confidence in my travel, and lessens that awful feeling that one might fall. The folding support cane is not expensive, about forty dollars, but I do not think they are in common use or well known for some reason. I could be wrong. Someone here at the San Diego Center for the Blind told me a while ago of a white travel cane that can also bear weight and so may have a double purpose, but I have not followed up on it Most importantly, of course, it can be very annoying I found to carry around a rigid support cane and a white travel cane. I did try that with one very cool mobility instructor, but it was not something I seemed to want to do. However, I did give it a try, and everyone will respond differently, so this is an option you may want to try if you have not already. . I still feel I can practice my mobility a bit more, and especially when I am tired I put off social events in the evening since my balance is worse Hope this is clear, Best, Ginnie. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel S. Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question Jedi, You make a good point. One of my main worries about wheelchair use is that once I am using a wheelchair, I'll need to use it more and more because I'm not forcing my body to work, and it'll be a downward spiral until I'm a full-time wheelchair user with no chance of walking without a lot of pain and struggle. It's a difficult transition for me. The white cane was not a difficult transition for me, though I know some for whom it has been. Of course, I was lucky in that I was still recovering in the hospital from my chemical burn when I got my first cane travel lesson from a friend who's wife was totally blind. That early introduction to cane travel that allowed me to leave my hospital bed durin gthat looong week, and the early introduction to Braille I received from the same friend that allowed me to spend my time learning Braille instead of lying there sedetary allowed me to become passionate about the impact on my life that both the cane and Braille would have, and helped me understand from the beginning of my blindness that I was going to be all right eventually. I guess I have just not had that "diving in head first" experience with the wheelchair. I still have the option of ignoring wheelchair use and my stubborn independence tells me to forego it as long as I can. I'm not saying it's the right course, but it's the one my mind is telling me to take. I'm going to be seeing several new doctors soon...a neurologist, a chiropractor, and a pain clinic specialist, so hopefully they'll be able to help me or tell me what I need to hear to accept my disability. ~Jewelq On 4/22/10, Jedi wrote: > Jewel, > > Funnily enough, it may be the wheelchair that gives you mobility you > haven't seemed to have for some time. Adopting a wheelchair into one's > life is much like adopting a white cane. It's not so much the actual > thing we're afraid of, but what it means for us to have that thing in > our lives. For many who have trouble accepting the white cane, they're > afraid of a lesser status or that they are accepting some kind of > defeat. We in the Federation know that this is not the case and often > tends to be the opposite. Just a thought. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > Original message: >> I currently use a support cane. My counselors and doctor have been >> trying to convince me to use a wheelchair or walker, but I am really >> not ready for that. I am seeing a chiropractor Monday who thinks he >> can help me, and hopefully I can convince my doctor that it is a good >> idea, and maybe seeing the chiropractor will keep me out of a chair. I >> hope to avoid it, though I will be using a chair at Disney, where one >> has to walk a LOT, and maybe around the school campus if necessary. >> But at 25 years old, I am simply not ready to give up my mobility. > >> ~Jewel > >> On 4/21/10, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: >>> I usually end up going with the 50-50 for flying because I can usually >>> still >>> sneak it under my seat in the aisle. Given the uncomfortable nature of >>> plains, I always choose aisle seats and for me, the bit of room gained by >>> doing this outweighs the potential advantages of a straight cane. I did >>> just >>> recently have a flight attendant who asked me to hold the cane during >>> takeoff, which I thought a bit weird considering the usual rules of >>> keeping >>> everything put away during this time, but oh well. >>> All of this just to say that there is usually several different ways to >>> do >>> something, and just when you think you've heard all of them, someone will >>> come along with a new and often plausible alternative. > >>> J.J. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Arielle Silverman" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help-Philosophy Question > > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> Like others I often fly with a straight cane and stow it against the >>>> window, and almost always, it's no problem. I did have one stubborn >>>> flight attendant who wanted to put it in a closet at the front of the >>>> plane. I compromised with her and we decided to stow the cane in the >>>> overhead directly above my seat. We put it up together and I made sure >>>> I knew exactly where it was and that it was in reach of my seat in the >>>> event that I would need it in an emergency. That's another option to >>>> consider before resorting to battle. I agree that I'd never let >>>> someone put my cane in a closet where I couldn't get to it, but the >>>> overhead solution, while not ideal, was good enough. > >>>> Arielle > >>>> On 4/20/10, Mary Fernandez wrote: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> There is a very simple way to ensure you keep your cane in a plane. >>>>> Book a window seat. If you book your trip online, there is usually the >>>>> option of choosing your seat, and even if you don't do it then, you >>>>> can change it when you are checking into your flight online. It's a >>>>> simple option that everyone has. However, if you do find yourself in >>>>> this situation, first of all, be aware of your surroundings. While you >>>>> should have your cane at all times, and it is no difficulty to put it >>>>> next to the window seat, please don't make a big scene. There are >>>>> passengers behind you that want to settle down and get going on the >>>>> trip. I suggest being prepared for this kind of thing, since it is >>>>> fairly common. I usually tell the flight attendat, if they ask, that I >>>>> will ask the passenger sitting by the window, if they would mind very >>>>> much if I put my cane by them. No one to date has had a problem with >>>>> that. I usually also travel with two canes, a telescopic one in my >>>>> purse, and my straight cane, just in case. >>>>> Someone made a comment earlier that the NFB doesn't recognize that >>>>> there are different ways of doing things. Aside from the symbolic >>>>> representation the straight cane has in the Federation, it is also >>>>> highly practical. In travel and mobility, it is highly sensitive and >>>>> pretty sturdy for the amount of feeback it gives the traveler. >>>>> However, it is obvious that we recognize different people have >>>>> different thoughts and needs, and of course should have different >>>>> options. So, you can buy a straight cane from the independence market, >>>>> as easily as you can buy a telescopic or folding cane. No one thinks >>>>> less of you because you use a folding cane unless you are doing it to >>>>> hide your blindness. Our philosophy is that blindness is respectable, >>>>> and ifyou are making a choice because it helps you hide your blindness >>>>> better, that is just demonstrating your own insecurity. We work under >>>>> the very same theory, that there is more than one way to do things. >>>>> That's what we call alternative methods. Learn everything you can, and >>>>> then apply what works best for you. In the end all that matters is >>>>> self-acceptance, competency and never being ashamed of your blindness. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Mary > >>>>> On 4/20/10, Jedi wrote: >>>>>> Jewel, > >>>>>> Just curious: have you given much thought to using a wheelchair or >>>>>> even >>>>>> a support cane with the white cane? > >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi > > >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> I have two cents to add to the thoughts about conforming and such... > >>>>>>> I often worry about taking help that is offered because I'm blind, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> that I need because of another disability. For example, I don't need >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> sighted guide to keep up with a nurse at the doctor's office or >>>>>>> follow >>>>>>> a campus tour, but I often take the assistance of a friend to walk >>>>>>> because of my balance problems. Walking on a friend's arm (or my >>>>>>> boyfriend's, usually) allows me to keep my balance better, and if I >>>>>>> *do* lose my balance, s/he can catch me. I make sure to still use my >>>>>>> cane and make it obvious that he is *not* leading me, and sometimes >>>>>>> we >>>>>>> make a point for him to take my arm and me lead him (he has more >>>>>>> vision) with the cane, because him holding my arm, while not as good >>>>>>> as me holding his, still helps my balance, as he can catch me if I >>>>>>> stumble, and I can lean on him as needed. But I do worry that people >>>>>>> will see me getting assistance from my boyfriend or someone else (or >>>>>>> accepting a stranger's arm if I'm alone) and think that I can't walk >>>>>>> on my own because I'm blind and/or that all blind people need to be >>>>>>> walked on the person's arm. I also hold a person's arm different than >>>>>>> I would a sighted guide, with my hand around their elbow, because >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> is more sturdy, and I worry that peple will think that everyone does >>>>>>> it that way, and not know how to do sighted guide right. I also do >>>>>>> walking behind the person different, holding their arm more than I >>>>>>> would a sighted guide, but it means that they are not doing their arm >>>>>>> the right way for sighted guide, because I keep my cane out to look >>>>>>> for obstacles. > >>>>>>> Another worry I have is that people will take my use of a folding >>>>>>> cane >>>>>>> as a sign that I am against straight canes. I'm not. I have a >>>>>>> straight >>>>>>> cane, in fact, that I use on the days when I know I will not have to >>>>>>> worry about losing my balance. I *am* against telescopic canes, >>>>>>> because they just suck, and always get stuck, but that's just >>>>>>> personal >>>>>>> preference. But I use a folding cane much of the time. The reason I >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> is that I use an aluminum folding cane. Aluminum is stronger than >>>>>>> graphite or fibreglass, so if I am walking alone and lose my balance >>>>>>> and fall forward on my white cane, my aluminum cane will not break >>>>>>> under me and send me to the ground. However, I have had a fibreglass >>>>>>> straight cane break under my weight when I stumbled and it sent me >>>>>>> sprawling on my hands and knees. Luckily, all I got was scraps on my >>>>>>> hands and kness and a big bone bruise on one knee, but I would not >>>>>>> want to re-experience that, especially as a fibreglass shard could >>>>>>> end >>>>>>> up in my hand or leg. I plan on getting a guide dog within the year, >>>>>>> but in the meantime, I use an aluminum folding cane or a strong >>>>>>> graphite cane. > >>>>>>> The last concern I have is that because it is so hard for me to walk >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> lot or even stand for long, I take advantage of people's offers to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> things for me, seat me first, and sit up close. I take advantage of >>>>>>> these accommodations for my mobility issues, not for my blindness, >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> I worry that people will assume that because I need the assistance, >>>>>>> all blind ppeople need it, because you know how they tend to assume >>>>>>> that we're all alike *eyeroll* > >>>>>>> I know that my blindness is only a physical nuisance. It does not >>>>>>> limit me anymore (it did when I first went blind, but I have learned >>>>>>> much since then). But I have other limitations that keep me from >>>>>>> doing >>>>>>> things. As that disability is an invisible one and the blindness is >>>>>>> obvious, people often assume that I am slow, clumsy, awkward, and >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> assistance because I am blind. I try to explain when I have the time, >>>>>>> but I don't always have the time. > >>>>>>> Does anyone have suggestions on how I can show people that blindness >>>>>>> is not limiting me and help them understand that blindness is not >>>>>>> limiting if you have the training and tools, but that my other >>>>>>> disability does limit me, but not necessarily others? I have done a >>>>>>> few things, such as cooking homemade candies to bring to my support >>>>>>> group for adult survivors of childhood abuse, to show them what I >>>>>>> *can* do because they were treating me like I would break. One guy >>>>>>> asked who made them, and when I said I did, he said "But aren't you >>>>>>> blind? How do you cook?" And I told him that "it's easy; I listen for >>>>>>> the boiling and roll the candy in the sugar with my fingers. It >>>>>>> doesn't take sight to cook. I cook without looking." And I think I >>>>>>> gained a bit of respect from the group that way. But I stil l need >>>>>>> someone's help to get to a chair (not to find it, but to walk there), >>>>>>> and I still don't get up during break to get a snack because it hurts >>>>>>> to walk a lot after sitting for awhile, so I ask a friend in the >>>>>>> group >>>>>>> to grab an extra snack for me. > >>>>>>> My two cents, >>>>>>> Jewel > >>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Darian Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>>> My feeling on the matter is that we can generally do better by >>>>>>>> handeling things in a less confrentational manner when possible. >>>>>>>> While this is easier said than done, I think it's worth taking a >>>>>>>> second (if possible depending on the situation) and try to look >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> what you need or would like to get out of the situation you are in. >>>>>>>> I find it difficult to balance the short-term solution and >>>>>>>> long-term results of that dicision made (example:if someone takes >>>>>>>> one's cane on an airplane or even in a differennt situation such as >>>>>>>> somebody insisting in helping you across the street). >>>>>>>> Sometimes i have to ask myself, when do I make a dicision for the >>>>>>>> good of other blind people, or for my own good? Should I take my >>>>>>>> long cane because it somehow better models my comfort in >>>>>>>> blindness >>>>>>>> to other people? or should I take a telescoping cane because it's >>>>>>>> easier to carry and it still conforms to what is an NFB cane? >>>>>>>> Or, >>>>>>>> do I use a folding cane because I'm feeling like it's less likely >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> get broken of someone steps on it while traveling? The question >>>>>>>> that I think is worth asking is- is there a "model positive image of >>>>>>>> blindness"? In much the same way that people tend to look for the >>>>>>>> ideal image of gender or ethnicity, is there such an Ideal for the >>>>>>>> blind? >>>>>>>> if so, is that what we all must conform to? or is there a such >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> thing as conformity in the blind community and in this case, the >>>>>>>> Federation community/family? >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Darian > > >>>>>>>> On 4/20/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>>> Good morning, > >>>>>>>>> I wasn't there, so I can't speak to how your friend handled the >>>>>>>>> situation. >>>>>>>>> The fact of the matter is though that allowing airline personel to >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> mobility aids awe frm us is, A, illegal, and B, degrading. It also >>>>>>>>> sets >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> bad precedent for blind people that may be traveling with them in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> future. That said, it is of course better to use a calm >>>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>>> tone >>>>>>>>> when dealing with this kind of situation. There is a quiet way to >>>>>>>>> insist >>>>>>>>> that our rights as blind people be respected. Also explaining the >>>>>>>>> why's >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> certain ideal often help. This wasn't a situation where your friend >>>>>>>>> should've just "let it go" for the sake of peace, but perhaps she >>>>>>>>> could've >>>>>>>>> handled it in a calmer way. > >>>>>>>>> The Throw the Nickel principal applies more to accepting help I >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> having our rights ignored. In that situation, it was better to >>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> kindness of a stranger than to make a fuss. This has to do with the >>>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>>> rights of a lot of people, and while we should always be calm and >>>>>>>>> professional, but sometimes confrontation is required to bring >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> change. > >>>>>>>>> Just my 10 cents. > >>>>>>>>> BrileyOn Apr 19, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Candice Chapman wrote: > > >>>>>>>>>> Dear NABS members, > >>>>>>>>>> I recentally was in a situation where my NFB philosophy was put to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> test. I was travelling with a friend who is totally blind by >>>>>>>>>> airplane >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> we got into a confrontational situation with the flight attendant. >>>>>>>>>> She >>>>>>>>>> insisted upon taking my friend's straight cane, but didn't have a >>>>>>>>>> problem >>>>>>>>>> with mine since it was teloscopic. Perhaps she assumed that >>>>>>>>>> storing >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> straight cane would be a hazard. My friend proceeded to have a >>>>>>>>>> loud, >>>>>>>>>> obnoxious verbal confrontation, that resulted in hold up of >>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> embarrassment on my part. Eventually the conflict, due to time >>>>>>>>>> constraint, >>>>>>>>>> my friend was finally mollified and allowed to keep her cane. >>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> can't help but wonder if there was a more diplomatic way to handle >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> situation. It brings to mind an article by Dr. Kenneth Jernigan, >>>>>>>>>> perhaps >>>>>>>>>> you guys know it, it's in The Master, The Mission, The Movement. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> article is titled, "Don't Throw the Nickel." > >>>>>>>>>> How do you think the confrontation could have been handled more >>>>>>>>>> delicately? In the above article Dr.Jernigan referenced many >>>>>>>>>> situations >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> which you could choose your battle. Perhaps it's true that you can >>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> situation worse by escalating a said situation with a sighted >>>>>>>>>> person, >>>>>>>>>> rather than taking the high road. What are your thoughts on the >>>>>>>>>> art >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> negotiationg NFB philosophy? What might you suggest as potential >>>>>>>>>> alternatives to the above confrontation? I would like to hear all >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> thoughts on the importance of our philosophy in the lives of blind >>>>>>>>>> people. > > >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Candice Chapman > >>>>>>>>>> P.S. The Article is attached for your convience. >>>>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. 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Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmai l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ginisd%40sbcglobal.n et From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 02:02:21 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:02:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions Message-ID: Hi All: I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to convention or not really soon. My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just handled it for me. I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? I've been told to ask for NFB registration? I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area and such. The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. I think i'll be okay in the hotel. I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need assistance to baggage claim then outside? How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for it? I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me so I'm not completely on my own. However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of Pittsburgh. I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. There is no NFB chapter in my area. I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh but there was no responses. I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West Virginia. As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see what I get. Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of anybody who is or how I could find this out? I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know I have to decide soon. Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the confidence and travel skills. I don't want to have to miss out yet again. But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. Thoughts? What would all of you do? Kerri From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 02:14:42 2010 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:14:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions References: Message-ID: <33DD6124D2E5444489247A12D3021D93@YOUROAXBQGU7LI> catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions > Hi All: > > I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. > > I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. > I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told > her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me > financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. > > However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I > am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time > convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to > convention or not really soon. > > My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at > all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me > constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it > along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. > > I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not > really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my > family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or > get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just > handled it for me. > > I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying > by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the > hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? > I've been told to ask for NFB registration? > I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. > > I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh > as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area > and such. > > The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and > then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, > then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. > > I think i'll be okay in the hotel. > > I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me > that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the > plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right > there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? > > How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need > assistance to baggage claim then outside? > > How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or > should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? > > Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for it? > > I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. > > I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another > blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of > this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone > else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me > so I'm not completely on my own. > > However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of > Pittsburgh. > I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. > > There is no NFB chapter in my area. > > I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a > different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. > > I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the > Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh > but there was no responses. > > I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg > PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or > Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West > Virginia. > > As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I > figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see > what I get. > > Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of > anybody who is or how I could find this out? > > > I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything > like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know > I have to decide soon. > > Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? > > The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss > out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the > confidence and travel skills. > I don't want to have to miss out yet again. > > But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if > I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. > > Thoughts? What would all of you do? > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 02:58:41 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:58:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. Beth On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Beth: > > Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the > situation to him/her? > I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. > Hope this helps! > > Kerri > > On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to >> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, >> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose >> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and >> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The >> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. >> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I >> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be >> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >> Beth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 04:05:00 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:05:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Beth: I hate it when people don't respond by email as I'm much more of an email person rather than phone but yeah you should call him if he does not respond to your emails. Kerri On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: > I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president > I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give > Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. > Beth > > On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> Hi Beth: >> >> Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the >> situation to him/her? >> I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. >> Hope this helps! >> >> Kerri >> >> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >>> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >>> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to >>> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >>> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, >>> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose >>> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and >>> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The >>> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >>> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. >>> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >>> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I >>> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be >>> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >>> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >>> Beth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 04:28:33 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:28:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: <33DD6124D2E5444489247A12D3021D93@YOUROAXBQGU7LI> References: <33DD6124D2E5444489247A12D3021D93@YOUROAXBQGU7LI> Message-ID: Hi Kerri, When I went to my first NFB convention by myself as a scholarship winner when I was 18, I was similarly terrified about the process of flying alone and getting to my destination. I had only flown independently one other time, to visit my aunt and uncle who met up with me right at the gate (before 9/11) and I also had little training or confidence traveling in unfamiliar places. Though I was scared initially, I will say the experience ended up being not only not scary, but also one of the best things I did for my future confidence and development, as it's clear you're hoping for as well. There are tons of helpful people in airports, both staff and passengers, and really it's impossible to get too lost without running into someone who is more than happy to offer assistance. When you get on your first flight, you can simply mention to the flight attendant that you would like someone to meet you at your connection and escort you to your connecting gate. When the plane lands, simply follow the other passengers up the jetway and someone should be waiting at the top, or if not, simply wait at the information desk just outside the jetway. You can make the same request for a "meet-and-assist" when you get on your second flight. This is a service airlines provide all the time and not an inconvenience (in fact, often airlines want to provide assistance even when we don't ask for it). The person who meets you at the Dallas gate can walk with you to baggage, help you find your bag and help you find a taxi or shuttle to get to the hotel. I would recommend putting a brightly colored ribbon or other easy visual identification on your bag, and also know what it feels like. You can simply tell the person assisting you what your bag looks like, and also stand next to the carousel and touch the bags as they go by to find yours. I don't remember if the Dallas hotel has a shuttle, but taxi service will definitely be available. In either case, the vehicle you want will be just outside the baggage area. Again, the airline employee who is assisting you can help you find an open taxi or a particular shuttle. Then simply tell the driver that you want to go to the Hilton Anatole. At this point, even if you flew alone, you may bump into other blind people attending the convention, with whom you can share a cab. I usually try to offer a dollar or two to airline employees who are helping me, although they don't always accept it. They are being paid for their work, similar to clerks who help us in the grocery store, but an additional tip is still nice. Seven years after my frightening trip to Louisville for the NFB convention, I now fly by myself every 1-3 months to visit family or to attend various NFB activities, and I don't give it a second thought. Airports can feel intimidating with their size, but really I think the airport is one of the safest places to navigate and there are so many people around to offer information or assistance that it's really very difficult to get seriously lost. All it takes is a few practice runs, whether with or without assistance, to get the hang of it. I sincerely hope that you will go ahead and make plans to attend our national NFB convention. I am confident that you will be fine if you make the trip by yourself. However, if you still want to try to connect with other Federationists in your area, you might try contacting Fred Schroeder in Virginia to see if anyone from the VA affiliate is flying out of Pittsburgh. If Baltimore isn't terribly far, you might consider trying to go with them. Since the National Center is based there, there will be a large, lively contingent going from Baltimore, many of whom are experts at airport travel and who also enjoy mentoring and interacting with new students. You might also see if you can hook up with some of us during your layover. Finally, you may be able to get a direct flight. In my experience, while training from an NFB center is great, you can learn and grow so much by, as you say, just going out and doing things and taking advantage of opportunities. So I definitely think you have a lot to gain and nothing to lose by coming to convention this year. Please keep us posted, and I look forward to meeting you at convention! Arielle On 4/22/10, Doug Oliver wrote: > catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am > gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Kosten" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions > > >> Hi All: >> >> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >> >> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >> >> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >> convention or not really soon. >> >> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >> >> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >> handled it for me. >> >> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >> >> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >> and such. >> >> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >> >> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >> >> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >> >> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >> >> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >> >> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for it? >> >> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >> >> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >> so I'm not completely on my own. >> >> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >> Pittsburgh. >> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >> >> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >> >> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >> >> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >> but there was no responses. >> >> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >> Virginia. >> >> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >> what I get. >> >> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >> >> >> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >> I have to decide soon. >> >> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >> >> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >> confidence and travel skills. >> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >> >> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >> >> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 04:58:52 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:58:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like Carolyn's suggestion of writing the local Lions Club. What's the way to do it? Snail mail? I'm not much of a snail mail person as I am an e-mail person. Who should I e-mail? Thanks. Beth On 4/23/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Beth: > > I hate it when people don't respond by email as I'm much more of an > email person rather than phone but yeah you should call him if he does > not respond to your emails. > > Kerri > > On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >> I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president >> I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give >> Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. >> Beth >> >> On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> Hi Beth: >>> >>> Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the >>> situation to him/her? >>> I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >>>> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >>>> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to >>>> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >>>> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, >>>> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose >>>> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and >>>> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The >>>> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >>>> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. >>>> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >>>> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I >>>> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be >>>> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >>>> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 07:04:06 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 03:04:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions References: <33DD6124D2E5444489247A12D3021D93@YOUROAXBQGU7LI> Message-ID: <9C52EB37BFB847819C791D1A3C2D4719@radio360usa> My skype is daredevil22180 and I too will be there. 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Visit the home of Radio360 Where Variety Matters Most at http://www.radio360.us Check it out you won't be disappointed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Oliver" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions > catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am > gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Kosten" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions > > >> Hi All: >> >> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >> >> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >> >> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >> convention or not really soon. >> >> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >> >> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >> handled it for me. >> >> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >> >> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >> and such. >> >> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >> >> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >> >> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >> >> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >> >> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >> >> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for >> it? >> >> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >> >> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >> so I'm not completely on my own. >> >> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >> Pittsburgh. >> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >> >> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >> >> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >> >> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >> but there was no responses. >> >> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >> Virginia. >> >> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >> what I get. >> >> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >> >> >> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >> I have to decide soon. >> >> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >> >> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >> confidence and travel skills. >> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >> >> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >> >> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com From jess28 at samobile.net Fri Apr 23 11:22:01 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 07:22:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions Message-ID: <20100423112201.2110.95054@web2> Kerri, Actually Philly or Baltimore would be closer for you to leave from since you did say West Virigina. Pittsburgh is actually closer to Buffalo New York. Jessica -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From mbrianwooten at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 14:35:35 2010 From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:35:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I used hte informed choice option to leave Tennessee and attend the Center in Louisiana. The former Florida State President was there at the same time as I was. So I know it can be done. You may want to contact her for advice. Her name is kathy Davis. Wonderful person to speak with. Good luck, Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615 680 9656 On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: > I like Carolyn's suggestion of writing the local Lions Club. What's > the way to do it? Snail mail? I'm not much of a snail mail person as > I am an e-mail person. Who should I e-mail? Thanks. > Beth > > On 4/23/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> Hi Beth: >> >> I hate it when people don't respond by email as I'm much more of an >> email person rather than phone but yeah you should call him if he does >> not respond to your emails. >> >> Kerri >> >> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>> I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president >>> I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give >>> Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>> Hi Beth: >>>> >>>> Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the >>>> situation to him/her? >>>> I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. >>>> Hope this helps! >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>>> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >>>>> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >>>>> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to >>>>> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >>>>> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, >>>>> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose >>>>> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and >>>>> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The >>>>> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >>>>> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. >>>>> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >>>>> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I >>>>> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be >>>>> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >>>>> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >>>>> Beth >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com > -- M. Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615-680-9656 From dlawless86 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 15:19:32 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:19:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: <20100423112201.2110.95054@web2> References: <20100423112201.2110.95054@web2> Message-ID: Kerri, I am so glad that you wrote to us about this. I went to my first convention in 2004 and it was a fantastic and invigorating experience. It may seem daunting but you really have nothing to worry about. I think that if you were to travel on your own or with a friend even without better travel skills you'll find that you'll feel more confident about travel in general. I don't think you should worry about getting around during convention. There will be plenty of people around who would be more than willing to give you advice about navigating independently. I'd definitely recommend going to an NFB training center but I don't think that you should skip convention just because you haven't gone to a center yet. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you'll e-mail the list if you have anymore questions. Best wishes, Domonique On 4/23/10, Jessica wrote: > Kerri, > Actually Philly or Baltimore would be closer for you to leave from > since you did say West Virigina. Pittsburgh is actually closer to > Buffalo New York. > Jessica > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 17:40:09 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:40:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: References: <20100423112201.2110.95054@web2> Message-ID: Doesn't the convention have volunteer sighted guides, too? I know our state convention did. I also know that the convention will have people all over to help people find their way. I definitely agree that you shouldn't let a lack of O&M training keep you from attending convention. There are lots of people willing to help you at the convention. ~Jewel On 4/23/10, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Kerri, > I am so glad that you wrote to us about this. I went to my first > convention in 2004 and it was a fantastic and invigorating experience. > It may seem daunting but you really have nothing to worry about. I > think that if you were to travel on your own or with a friend even > without better travel skills you'll find that you'll feel more > confident about travel in general. I don't think you should worry > about getting around during convention. There will be plenty of people > around who would be more than willing to give you advice about > navigating independently. I'd definitely recommend going to an NFB > training center but I don't think that you should skip convention just > because you haven't gone to a center yet. I wish you the best of luck > and hope that you'll e-mail the list if you have anymore questions. > > Best wishes, > Domonique > > On 4/23/10, Jessica wrote: >> Kerri, >> Actually Philly or Baltimore would be closer for you to leave from >> since you did say West Virigina. Pittsburgh is actually closer to >> Buffalo New York. >> Jessica >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From snowball07 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 17:45:40 2010 From: snowball07 at gmail.com (Janice) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:45:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS memebership Philosphy 101 Call Message-ID: <8E8F2F4B65BA4675948F49E909B8E696@your0d10610b06> Hello Fellow Nabsters, The NABS Membership committee will be hosting the next in our series of conference calls. We will have guest speakers Ron Gardiner and Sam gleese, come in and speak to us on the importance of NFB Philosophy, what NFB philosophy is, and how to best utilize our Federation Philosophy. Ron Gardiner is a member of the Affiliate Action team, in the National Center of the NFB, he is also the president of the National Federation of the blind of Utah. Sam Gleese is the president of the National Federation n of the Blind of Mississippi. Please join us on- Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010 Where: Nabsconference line- 712.757.7100 code: 257963. When: 7 pm. EST All members are welcome to come share their federation stories, testimonies, learn, teach and share with each other lessons on blindness philosophy, etc... We hope to be able to see you there. If there are any questions, please feel free to respond to the email. Also please join the NABS membership twitter account- nabslink and our Facebook page. Warmest Regards, Janice Jeang Co-chair Membership committee Secretary National Association of Blind Students. From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 18:26:40 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:26:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: References: <20100423112201.2110.95054@web2> Message-ID: Hi, Kerri, Looks like others on the list have given you some great advice already, but I just want to emphasize that flying independently is really not as scary as it seems. I have never been to a NFB convention, but I did take several independent trips to grad school interviews last year. While I was worried at the beginning, all went well; I got all the assistance I needed, including making an extremely tight connecting flight due to delays caused by winter weather. It was such a big confidence builder, and while there is still plenty of room for improvement in my skills to navigate unfamiliar environments, flying on my own is not something I worry about anymore. As Arielle said, you can't really get seriously lost at an airport with so many helpful people around. Best of luck to you, and I hope you will book your flight to Convention! Katie On 4/23/10, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Kerri, > I am so glad that you wrote to us about this. I went to my first > convention in 2004 and it was a fantastic and invigorating experience. > It may seem daunting but you really have nothing to worry about. I > think that if you were to travel on your own or with a friend even > without better travel skills you'll find that you'll feel more > confident about travel in general. I don't think you should worry > about getting around during convention. There will be plenty of people > around who would be more than willing to give you advice about > navigating independently. I'd definitely recommend going to an NFB > training center but I don't think that you should skip convention just > because you haven't gone to a center yet. I wish you the best of luck > and hope that you'll e-mail the list if you have anymore questions. > > Best wishes, > Domonique > > On 4/23/10, Jessica wrote: >> Kerri, >> Actually Philly or Baltimore would be closer for you to leave from >> since you did say West Virigina. Pittsburgh is actually closer to >> Buffalo New York. >> Jessica >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Fri Apr 23 18:54:04 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:54:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS memebership Philosphy 101 Call References: <8E8F2F4B65BA4675948F49E909B8E696@your0d10610b06> Message-ID: <134F1011A55D4E61B3131C602C2D493C@Serene> What's the name of the NABS facebook page? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NABS memebership Philosphy 101 Call > > Hello Fellow Nabsters, > > The NABS Membership committee will be hosting the next in our series of > conference calls. > We will have guest speakers Ron Gardiner and Sam gleese, come in and speak > to us on the importance of NFB Philosophy, what NFB philosophy is, and how > to best utilize our Federation Philosophy. > Ron Gardiner is a member of the Affiliate Action team, in the National > Center of the NFB, he is also the president of the National Federation of > the blind of Utah. Sam Gleese is the president of the National Federation > n of the Blind of Mississippi. > Please join us on- > > Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010 > Where: Nabsconference line- 712.757.7100 code: 257963. > When: 7 pm. EST > > All members are welcome to come share their federation stories, > testimonies, learn, teach and share with each other lessons on blindness > philosophy, etc... > We hope to be able to see you there. If there are any questions, please > feel free to respond to the email. > Also please join the NABS membership twitter account- nabslink > and our Facebook page. > > Warmest Regards, > > Janice Jeang > Co-chair > Membership committee > Secretary > National Association of Blind Students. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From aphelps at BISM.org Fri Apr 23 18:54:41 2010 From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 14:54:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: References: <20100423112201.2110.95054@web2> Message-ID: <144BBD32E57C5045B736FBC8D447D0EC028902BA@blindmail.BISM.COM> Kerri, if you are interested in going with a group. The staff and students of BISM CORE will be going from Baltimore, if you want to join up with us, we will be happy to have you. Thanks! Amy C. Phelps   Find out more about our summer program for blind and low vision high school students Independence 2010! "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James H. Omvig Confidentiality Note:  The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions Hi, Kerri, Looks like others on the list have given you some great advice already, but I just want to emphasize that flying independently is really not as scary as it seems. I have never been to a NFB convention, but I did take several independent trips to grad school interviews last year. While I was worried at the beginning, all went well; I got all the assistance I needed, including making an extremely tight connecting flight due to delays caused by winter weather. It was such a big confidence builder, and while there is still plenty of room for improvement in my skills to navigate unfamiliar environments, flying on my own is not something I worry about anymore. As Arielle said, you can't really get seriously lost at an airport with so many helpful people around. Best of luck to you, and I hope you will book your flight to Convention! Katie On 4/23/10, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Kerri, > I am so glad that you wrote to us about this. I went to my first > convention in 2004 and it was a fantastic and invigorating experience. > It may seem daunting but you really have nothing to worry about. I > think that if you were to travel on your own or with a friend even > without better travel skills you'll find that you'll feel more > confident about travel in general. I don't think you should worry > about getting around during convention. There will be plenty of people > around who would be more than willing to give you advice about > navigating independently. I'd definitely recommend going to an NFB > training center but I don't think that you should skip convention just > because you haven't gone to a center yet. I wish you the best of luck > and hope that you'll e-mail the list if you have anymore questions. > > Best wishes, > Domonique > > On 4/23/10, Jessica wrote: >> Kerri, >> Actually Philly or Baltimore would be closer for you to leave from >> since you did say West Virigina. Pittsburgh is actually closer to >> Buffalo New York. >> Jessica >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aphelps%40bism.org From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 19:29:23 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:29:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bulletin board software In-Reply-To: <4BD080C0.1000901@pcdesk.net> References: <20100419003958.GC79768@yumi.bluecherry.net> <4BCDBFF7.9030509@pcdesk.net> <20100420224227.GE51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> <4BD080C0.1000901@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <20100423192922.GB51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> I would reply in-line, but it irritates some people on blindness lists who only know some of their screen reader's commands. *grin* I can do both install one-click solutions (most of them PHP based) or install my own. Python's an option. If phphBB is generally considered accessible, it's what I'll use. It's pretty stable, low maintenance, and depending on how much tweaking I want to do, I can probably use the one-click installation Dreamhost provides and call it a day—let THEM worry about keeping it up to date and operating properly. (I have the option to install it myself, but then I'll have to maintain it myself.) I'm familiar with MediaWiki's accessibility, and it would have been my logical first choice for a wiki failing other options. I've never seen Invision Power Board, but since it's a paid package I'm not surprised. I'm not opposed to that, so long as I get security updates free and the thing doesn't require that I regularly fork over additional money to keep the thing from locking me out while locking my content in, or something equally unsavory. (What? People think it's just Freedom Science Fiction and Inhumanware who do everything they can to ensure that you have no choice but to keep giving them money no matter what bug-ridden crap they foist upon you? Not hardly! But that's another rant..) Anyway, Tikiwiki looks promising. The last integrated solution I used was Trac, which is great if you have a bunch of nerds hacking C source code and users reporting bugs against same, but it's not so friendly for a completely non-technical community. It seems the need for a wiki in the project is vanishing rapidly as the project reshapes itself. That'll probably lead me to phpBB, which I use pretty regularly and pretty much works. I can personally see some value in adding some BBcode tags to the standard list for specific purposes, but that would require me to do some programming myself and maintain the whole thing. Possibly not worth it in this instance. Thanks for the advice! Joseph On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 11:00:48AM -0600, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA256 > >Good morning, >I have quoted parts of your message inline and responded to them. Just >as a heads up. > >> 1. It is a hosted solution, but at the moment it looks like the host is gonna be >> Dreamhost, so there's a lot of leeway for what I want to do with it. > >I don't have much experience with that one. Most times when I've done >something like this, I've run it on a personal or company server so I >could install what ever I wanted. That being said, some hosting >companies offer message board software, wiki software, etc. etc. etc. >Some even let you install your own stuff if you want. We'll go with the >assumption this one either comes with something you can use, or will let >you install what ever you want to for the purposes of this discussion. > >> 2. I'm looking ultimately for a discussion forum and possibly a wiki open to certain >> contributors to collect the best collective wisdom of the forums into a more easily >> searched manner. Integration here isn't critical, but I wouldn't mind if it were >> present certainly. > >I'll give you some information for each function you want, then suggest >a couple that might work if you want a solution that can do both. > >Ok, first, wiki software. There are tons of them. If you want a Python >based solution, which I'm gathering you don't based on your previous >message, MoinMoin is probably the most popular. If you want a PHP based >solution, you can look at MediaWiki, which is the software wikipedia >uses. There is also dokuWiki if you'd like something simpler. See below >though because I suggest a couple others which integrate forums. > >AS far as PHP based forum software, phpBB is a common solution. You >mentioned that people might make it inaccessible via graphics and that. >Well, phpBB doesn't allow imbedded content, and it doesn't look as >though it requires java script or anything like that. Most likely, at a >minimum the basic functions will work. If you don't like something, you >always have the option of customizing themes and that with it. Smilies >and that will probably be a problem no matter what solution you choose, >but perhaps you can administratively disable them if that's a concern. > >There are two solutions which integrate Wiki and forum functions. The >first, IpbWiki is one you probably won't be able to use. It's wiki >software based on MediaWiki with integration with a forum software >package called Invision Power Board. Invision Power Board is a >propriatary program which you have to pay for. The second solution is >worth considering though. It's a PHP solution called TikiWiki. It's a >complete content management solution. Wiki and forums just happen to be >two of the functions it supports. I haven't used it myself, but it looks >as though it is kind of complex. However, if you want a completely >integrated solution written in PHP, it's worth looking at. > >Let me know if I can be of further assistance. >- -- >Yes means no and no means yes. Delete all files [Y]? >Joseph C. Lininger, >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > >iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL0IDAAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqvjoIAK9d13N5XmOixCsLkbxovqlA >7T5YGyyl2I/je6DMLDLzXM1lga4cOtut82dUlQUGdOIPmNQuwqj2UyQ8ESogVxHr >vE9FHYIEg3l237v70oNE/mbng51b6WqHi8aOp5HzYyyD0AjwzrOCmdFTQ/aBYi21 >QAs1HF+s/Qrfj6XEx/N1PyxneY0bc+f47uWK7302NjvIZI9UOPmiDBI/uSt+26hD >p4EERpOKjnwp5dQTHhHgBaUtSxLZHQIuBhmwndeaispooHjWeClRLvo+Zb17IHML >5VGSXpe4ODjWvzkHuCwFKyq2FTeEV56SJkuBgegD9CaCE9iIuYgHMVM516uQ6fg= >=dUSh >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at maine.edu Fri Apr 23 19:35:37 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:35:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions References: <33DD6124D2E5444489247A12D3021D93@YOUROAXBQGU7LI> <9C52EB37BFB847819C791D1A3C2D4719@radio360usa> Message-ID: <79BF7ACF31F0469B9F509FAC5EFB6D0E@Hope> Sometimes, i fyou ask for assistance prior to leaving for your first leg of the journey, they'll have someone assist you to the plane, then assist you off (another employee of the connecting airport. ). They won't leave you. I've never flown alone either, but I've listened to many podcasts and talked extensively with my boyfriend concerning this matter. He's traveled a lot on planes, so he'd be a good resource.. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions > My skype is > daredevil22180 > and I too will be there. So add me and we can talk if you'd like. > > ***** > Tired of listening to the same old stations playing the same old songs > over and over again? > Then check out an internet radio station with plenty of interesting > programming. Visit the home of Radio360 Where Variety Matters Most at > http://www.radio360.us > Check it out you won't be disappointed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Oliver" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions > > >> catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am >> gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerri Kosten" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions >> >> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >>> >>> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >>> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >>> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >>> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >>> >>> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >>> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >>> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >>> convention or not really soon. >>> >>> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >>> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >>> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >>> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >>> >>> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >>> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >>> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >>> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >>> handled it for me. >>> >>> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >>> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >>> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >>> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >>> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >>> >>> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >>> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >>> and such. >>> >>> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >>> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >>> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >>> >>> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >>> >>> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >>> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >>> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >>> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >>> >>> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >>> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >>> >>> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >>> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >>> >>> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for >>> it? >>> >>> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >>> >>> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >>> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >>> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >>> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >>> so I'm not completely on my own. >>> >>> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >>> Pittsburgh. >>> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >>> >>> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >>> >>> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >>> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >>> >>> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >>> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >>> but there was no responses. >>> >>> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >>> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >>> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >>> Virginia. >>> >>> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >>> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >>> what I get. >>> >>> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >>> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >>> >>> >>> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >>> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >>> I have to decide soon. >>> >>> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >>> >>> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >>> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >>> confidence and travel skills. >>> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >>> >>> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >>> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >>> >>> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 19:53:46 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:53:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) Message-ID: Hi Jinni and all, I decided it was time for a topic name change. *grin* I have been trying to get my O&M instructor to measure me for a folding support cane. Thus far, she has told me that I have to talk to my VR counselor about a support cane. But when I talked to him, he said it was the O&M instructor's job to measure for a support cane, as he doesn't know what length is appropriate. After measuring for it, he could order it for me, or my ILC could, but the O&M instructor has to measure for it first. Any suggestions on how to get the O&M instructor to get with the program? Right now, I'm using a wooden support cane, and the problem with it is that I have to either use it all the time or not take it with me, because it does not fold up and is rather heavy. So, of ten I don't bring it with me. I would really like a folding support cane, but am not sure what length would be best. ~Jewel From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 20:15:17 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:15:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'll actually get in touch with Kathy. I was in touch with her fora while, so maybe she knows about what went on. Beth On 4/23/10, Brian Wooten wrote: > Hello, > > I used hte informed choice option to leave Tennessee and attend the > Center in Louisiana. The former Florida State President was there at > the same time as I was. So I know it can be done. You may want to > contact her for advice. Her name is kathy Davis. Wonderful person to > speak with. > > Good luck, > > Brian Wooten > Nashville, Tennessee > Phone: 615 680 9656 > > On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >> I like Carolyn's suggestion of writing the local Lions Club. What's >> the way to do it? Snail mail? I'm not much of a snail mail person as >> I am an e-mail person. Who should I e-mail? Thanks. >> Beth >> >> On 4/23/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> Hi Beth: >>> >>> I hate it when people don't respond by email as I'm much more of an >>> email person rather than phone but yeah you should call him if he does >>> not respond to your emails. >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>> I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president >>>> I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give >>>> Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>> Hi Beth: >>>>> >>>>> Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the >>>>> situation to him/her? >>>>> I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. >>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>> >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>>>> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >>>>>> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >>>>>> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to >>>>>> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >>>>>> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, >>>>>> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose >>>>>> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people and >>>>>> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The >>>>>> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >>>>>> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. >>>>>> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >>>>>> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I >>>>>> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to be >>>>>> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >>>>>> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >>>>>> Beth >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > M. Brian Wooten > Nashville, Tennessee > Phone: 615-680-9656 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From amylsabo at comcast.net Fri Apr 23 23:37:40 2010 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 23:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1456802419.19156611272065860903.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> hello all, i too want to put in my two cents worth on this topic since i travel a lot for nfb conventions, going back and forth to michigan and colorado, and also other events in my life while traveling in airports. i too use assistance if it's necessary like if i have to go from one side of the airport to the other side. but, most of the time i just ask people where things are and, i just follow them they are going in that direction. i'm very comfortable traveling independtally and, i hope the same is for others too. take care all and, i will talk to you all soon! hugs, from amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions Hi Kerri, When I went to my first NFB convention by myself as a scholarship winner when I was 18, I was similarly terrified about the process of flying alone and getting to my destination. I had only flown independently one other time, to visit my aunt and uncle who met up with me right at the gate (before 9/11) and I also had little training or confidence traveling in unfamiliar places. Though I was scared initially, I will say the experience ended up being not only not scary, but also one of the best things I did for my future confidence and development, as it's clear you're hoping for as well. There are tons of helpful people in airports, both staff and passengers, and really it's impossible to get too lost without running into someone who is more than happy to offer assistance. When you get on your first flight, you can simply mention to the flight attendant that you would like someone to meet you at your connection and escort you to your connecting gate. When the plane lands, simply follow the other passengers up the jetway and someone should be waiting at the top, or if not, simply wait at the information desk just outside the jetway. You can make the same request for a "meet-and-assist" when you get on your second flight. This is a service airlines provide all the time and not an inconvenience (in fact, often airlines want to provide assistance even when we don't ask for it). The person who meets you at the Dallas gate can walk with you to baggage, help you find your bag and help you find a taxi or shuttle to get to the hotel. I would recommend putting a brightly colored ribbon or other easy visual identification on your bag, and also know what it feels like. You can simply tell the person assisting you what your bag looks like, and also stand next to the carousel and touch the bags as they go by to find yours. I don't remember if the Dallas hotel has a shuttle, but taxi service will definitely be available. In either case, the vehicle you want will be just outside the baggage area. Again, the airline employee who is assisting you can help you find an open taxi or a particular shuttle. Then simply tell the driver that you want to go to the Hilton Anatole. At this point, even if you flew alone, you may bump into other blind people attending the convention, with whom you can share a cab. I usually try to offer a dollar or two to airline employees who are helping me, although they don't always accept it. They are being paid for their work, similar to clerks who help us in the grocery store, but an additional tip is still nice. Seven years after my frightening trip to Louisville for the NFB convention, I now fly by myself every 1-3 months to visit family or to attend various NFB activities, and I don't give it a second thought. Airports can feel intimidating with their size, but really I think the airport is one of the safest places to navigate and there are so many people around to offer information or assistance that it's really very difficult to get seriously lost. All it takes is a few practice runs, whether with or without assistance, to get the hang of it. I sincerely hope that you will go ahead and make plans to attend our national NFB convention. I am confident that you will be fine if you make the trip by yourself. However, if you still want to try to connect with other Federationists in your area, you might try contacting Fred Schroeder in Virginia to see if anyone from the VA affiliate is flying out of Pittsburgh. If Baltimore isn't terribly far, you might consider trying to go with them. Since the National Center is based there, there will be a large, lively contingent going from Baltimore, many of whom are experts at airport travel and who also enjoy mentoring and interacting with new students. You might also see if you can hook up with some of us during your layover. Finally, you may be able to get a direct flight. In my experience, while training from an NFB center is great, you can learn and grow so much by, as you say, just going out and doing things and taking advantage of opportunities. So I definitely think you have a lot to gain and nothing to lose by coming to convention this year. Please keep us posted, and I look forward to meeting you at convention! Arielle On 4/22/10, Doug Oliver wrote: > catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am > gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Kosten" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions > > >> Hi All: >> >> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >> >> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >> >> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >> convention or not really soon. >> >> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >> >> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >> handled it for me. >> >> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >> >> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >> and such. >> >> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >> >> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >> >> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >> >> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >> >> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >> >> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for it? >> >> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >> >> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >> so I'm not completely on my own. >> >> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >> Pittsburgh. >> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >> >> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >> >> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >> >> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >> but there was no responses. >> >> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >> Virginia. >> >> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >> what I get. >> >> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >> >> >> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >> I have to decide soon. >> >> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >> >> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >> confidence and travel skills. >> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >> >> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >> >> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net From jess28 at samobile.net Sat Apr 24 00:17:06 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:17:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) Message-ID: <20100424001706.9096.93912@web3> Jewel, The support canes are for the most part one size fits all because they traditionally only come up to your hip or somewhere in that general area. I know about this unfortunately because my fiancee has one from when he had a hip replacement surgery done almost two years ago. He had to have it due to being on steroids as part of his anti-rejection medication regeament for a Kidney Transplant. Jessica -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 01:32:54 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:32:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) In-Reply-To: <20100424001706.9096.93912@web3> References: <20100424001706.9096.93912@web3> Message-ID: My VR counselor said they could get a support cane that fit my frame. I am 5'3" so a support cane meant for most people would be much too long for me, and would end up hurting more than helping. ~Jewel On 4/23/10, Jessica wrote: > Jewel, > The support canes are for the most part one size fits all because they > traditionally only come up to your hip or somewhere in that general > area. I know about this unfortunately because my fiancee has one from > when he had a hip replacement surgery done almost two years ago. He had > to have it due to being on steroids as part of his anti-rejection > medication regeament for a Kidney Transplant. > Jessica > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us Sat Apr 24 02:01:37 2010 From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews, David B B (DEED)) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:01:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New Accessible Diabetic Devices Available Message-ID: From: Wilson, Joanne [mailto:JWilson at nfb.org] Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:43 PM To: Andrews, David B B (DEED) Subject: New Accessible Diabetic Devices Available Dear Colleagues, Five years ago, the NFB asked all the blood glucose meter companies to make a talking meter for our members. Prodigy was the only company to step up and make a talking meter. At our request, they made the first talking Prodigy AutoCode™ meter. They also worked with many NFB Team members for over a year and made the first fully audible Prodigy Voice™ meter allowing NFB Members with diabetes total independence. In 2008, we presented the NFB Access + Award to Prodigy for their Prodigy Voice™ meter. The Count-A-Dose has been used for many years by blind diabetics, so they can independently fill their insulin syringes. We were told it would no longer be available and we asked Prodigy again to help us out. Prodigy bought the patent rights to make the Count-A-Dose, and after some slight improvements, they released the new Prodigy Count-A-Dose® on April 1st, 2010. The NFB Independence Market in Baltimore will be selling the Prodigy Count-A-Dose® Later this year, Prodigy will also be releasing the first fully audible insulin pump, as well as a talking pill bottle, a laser lancing device, and other new accessible products. Please pass on this information on to blind diabetics. Sincerely, Joanne Wilson Executive Director of Affiliate Action National Federation of the Blind From trillian551 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:16:10 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:16:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] selling college stats book Message-ID: Dear all, I am selling a college level statistics book call, Comprehending Behavioral Statistics by Hurlbert. If you are interested please contact me off list, my contact info is below. The price is $50. Thanks. -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From dandrews at visi.com Sat Apr 24 02:33:57 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:33:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Njabs-talk] selling college stats book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What format is the book in -- print, braille recorded audio, electronic text? Dave At 09:16 PM 4/23/2010, Mary Fernandez wrote: >Dear all, >I am selling a college level statistics book call, Comprehending >Behavioral Statistics by Hurlbert. If you are interested please >contact me off list, my contact info is below. The price is $50. >Thanks. > > >-- >Mary Fernandez >Emory University 2012 >P.O. Box 123056 >Atlanta Ga. >30322 >Phone: 732-857-7004 >In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that >greatness is never a given. It must be earned. >President Barack Obama From mbrianwooten at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:58:47 2010 From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:58:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: <1456802419.19156611272065860903.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1456802419.19156611272065860903.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Kerri, I would like to echo Dominique's comments on Convention attendance. I was fortunate enough to have gone to the Louisiana Training Center and attend last years Convention while I was a student there. By all means, go. Do not wait for training. As I have read in this email thread, there are lots of people willing to assist in any way they can. This is a manifestation of the power we have in the community of the NFB. Most Respectfully, Brian Wooten Nashville Tennessee On 4/23/10, Amy Sabo wrote: > hello all, > > i too want to put in my two cents worth on this topic since i travel a lot > for nfb conventions, going back and forth to michigan and colorado, and also > other events in my life while traveling in airports. > > i too use assistance if it's necessary like if i have to go from one side of > the airport to the other side. but, most of the time i just ask people where > things are and, i just follow them they are going in that direction. > > i'm very comfortable traveling independtally and, i hope the same is for > others too. take care all and, i will talk to you all soon! > > > hugs, > from amy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Sent: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:28:33 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions > > Hi Kerri, > > When I went to my first NFB convention by myself as a scholarship > winner when I was 18, I was similarly terrified about the process of > flying alone and getting to my destination. I had only flown > independently one other time, to visit my aunt and uncle who met up > with me right at the gate (before 9/11) and I also had little training > or confidence traveling in unfamiliar places. Though I was scared > initially, I will say the experience ended up being not only not > scary, but also one of the best things I did for my future confidence > and development, as it's clear you're hoping for as well. > > There are tons of helpful people in airports, both staff and > passengers, and really it's impossible to get too lost without running > into someone who is more than happy to offer assistance. When you get > on your first flight, you can simply mention to the flight attendant > that you would like someone to meet you at your connection and escort > you to your connecting gate. When the plane lands, simply follow the > other passengers up the jetway and someone should be waiting at the > top, or if not, simply wait at the information desk just outside the > jetway. You can make the same request for a "meet-and-assist" when you > get on your second flight. This is a service airlines provide all the > time and not an inconvenience (in fact, often airlines want to provide > assistance even when we don't ask for it). The person who meets you at > the Dallas gate can walk with you to baggage, help you find your bag > and help you find a taxi or shuttle to get to the hotel. I would > recommend putting a brightly colored ribbon or other easy visual > identification on your bag, and also know what it feels like. You can > simply tell the person assisting you what your bag looks like, and > also stand next to the carousel and touch the bags as they go by to > find yours. > > I don't remember if the Dallas hotel has a shuttle, but taxi service > will definitely be available. In either case, the vehicle you want > will be just outside the baggage area. Again, the airline employee who > is assisting you can help you find an open taxi or a particular > shuttle. Then simply tell the driver that you want to go to the Hilton > Anatole. At this point, even if you flew alone, you may bump into > other blind people attending the convention, with whom you can share a > cab. > > I usually try to offer a dollar or two to airline employees who are > helping me, although they don't always accept it. They are being paid > for their work, similar to clerks who help us in the grocery store, > but an additional tip is still nice. > > Seven years after my frightening trip to Louisville for the NFB > convention, I now fly by myself every 1-3 months to visit family or to > attend various NFB activities, and I don't give it a second thought. > Airports can feel intimidating with their size, but really I think the > airport is one of the safest places to navigate and there are so many > people around to offer information or assistance that it's really very > difficult to get seriously lost. All it takes is a few practice runs, > whether with or without assistance, to get the hang of it. > > I sincerely hope that you will go ahead and make plans to attend our > national NFB convention. I am confident that you will be fine if you > make the trip by yourself. However, if you still want to try to > connect with other Federationists in your area, you might try > contacting Fred Schroeder in Virginia to see if anyone from the VA > affiliate is flying out of Pittsburgh. If Baltimore isn't terribly > far, you might consider trying to go with them. Since the National > Center is based there, there will be a large, lively contingent going > from Baltimore, many of whom are experts at airport travel and who > also enjoy mentoring and interacting with new students. You might also > see if you can hook up with some of us during your layover. Finally, > you may be able to get a direct flight. > > In my experience, while training from an NFB center is great, you can > learn and grow so much by, as you say, just going out and doing things > and taking advantage of opportunities. So I definitely think you have > a lot to gain and nothing to lose by coming to convention this year. > > Please keep us posted, and I look forward to meeting you at convention! > > Arielle > > On 4/22/10, Doug Oliver wrote: >> catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am >> gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerri Kosten" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions >> >> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >>> >>> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >>> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >>> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >>> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >>> >>> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >>> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >>> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >>> convention or not really soon. >>> >>> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >>> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >>> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >>> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >>> >>> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >>> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >>> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >>> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >>> handled it for me. >>> >>> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >>> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >>> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >>> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >>> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >>> >>> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >>> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >>> and such. >>> >>> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >>> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >>> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >>> >>> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >>> >>> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >>> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >>> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >>> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >>> >>> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >>> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >>> >>> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >>> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >>> >>> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for >>> it? >>> >>> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >>> >>> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >>> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >>> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >>> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >>> so I'm not completely on my own. >>> >>> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >>> Pittsburgh. >>> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >>> >>> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >>> >>> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >>> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >>> >>> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >>> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >>> but there was no responses. >>> >>> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >>> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >>> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >>> Virginia. >>> >>> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >>> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >>> what I get. >>> >>> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >>> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >>> >>> >>> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >>> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >>> I have to decide soon. >>> >>> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >>> >>> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >>> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >>> confidence and travel skills. >>> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >>> >>> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >>> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >>> >>> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com > -- M. Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615-680-9656 From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 24 03:50:28 2010 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:50:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) In-Reply-To: References: <20100424001706.9096.93912@web3> Message-ID: Hi Jewel, I just wanted to get back with you about what I know, and like you, love to research stuff and will get back with more info if you need it. It was a very matter of fact no big deal event for me to get a folding support cane from my mobility instructor. This is because she said, If I recall, there was only one size of folding support cane she was aware of. Perhaps this is just one of those trial and error situations. Just try a folding support cane of whatever size is available, and go from there. I think since this may be unfamiliar and not often in use, the OM teacher is making too big a deal of this. Perhaps a physical therapist could advise, more later, Best, Ginnie -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel S. Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 6:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) My VR counselor said they could get a support cane that fit my frame. I am 5'3" so a support cane meant for most people would be much too long for me, and would end up hurting more than helping. ~Jewel On 4/23/10, Jessica wrote: > Jewel, > The support canes are for the most part one size fits all because they > traditionally only come up to your hip or somewhere in that general > area. I know about this unfortunately because my fiancee has one from > when he had a hip replacement surgery done almost two years ago. He had > to have it due to being on steroids as part of his anti-rejection > medication regeament for a Kidney Transplant. > Jessica > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmai l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ginisd%40sbcglobal.n et From jess28 at samobile.net Sat Apr 24 09:57:39 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:57:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) Message-ID: <20100424095739.11314.8315@web3> Jewel, The support canes aren't all that long to begin with. By the way, you don't need to be measured for the support cane because like I said last night in my message they are one size fits all. So the O&M instructor is correct that he/she won't need to measure you. I just asked my fiancee and he basically said that the O&M instructor just essentially bought the support cane for him. He was given a support cane that didn't fold up. And, then the one that they bought for him was a folding support cane. Jessica -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From astrochem119 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 16:12:00 2010 From: astrochem119 at gmail.com (Chelsea Cook) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:12:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions Message-ID: Hello NABSters, I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an enticing idea; just want a second opinion. Thanks, Chelsea -- "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has been reached through the stars." Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 16:49:34 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:49:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you figure things out. Beth On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: > Hello NABSters, > > > I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy > getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested > by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will > have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've > shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. > What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an > enticing idea; just want a second opinion. > > Thanks, > Chelsea > -- > "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the > stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has > been reached through > the stars." > Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and > Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Apr 23 01:24:25 2010 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:24:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services In-Reply-To: <4DCFC366A9EE4C91B2FB225072E31F8F@Ashley> Message-ID: Also, the centers themselves have some experience with how to approach state agencies for adjustment to blindness training from the centers. If you have decided which center you would like to attend, contact them and ask them if they have had others from your state and if they have suggestions for you. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:29:48 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Rj, >I'm not sure why you forwarded it to the list. Someone in the state NFB >such as your chapter president would have to help you with this. It seems >like if you can justify going to LCB and I am sure you can, then, you'll get >funding up to the amount they would pay for the state training. >So when you justify find out the costs of each center per month; LCB may be >cheaper. Talk to both center directors and find out what LCB has that you >can't get in state. >Good luck. >Ashley >----- Original Message ----- >From: "RJ Sandefur" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:00 PM >Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's policy >concerning out of state services >----- Original Message ----- >From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie >To: RJ Sandefur >Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM >Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy >concerning out of state services >Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your mother. >If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can >reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm >Beaches at this time for training. >I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to help >you in making your decision about training. >I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because you >attached it to your e-mail. >In order to assist you with training services, please call our office and >ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or 866-225-0794. >Bobbie Howard-Davis >District Administrator >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM >To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie >Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning >out of state services >Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for you >concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy concerning out of >state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center, which is now >the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find the experience to be >a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement >with my councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my >mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment to >blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the Louisiana >center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web sight and came >across the policy concerning out of state services: >Out of State Services >DIVISION POLICY 6.14 >SUBJECT >Out of State Services >EFFECTIVE DATE >July 9, 2003 >REVISION DATE >February 14, 2008 >EXPIRATION DATE >This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. >PURPOSE >To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. >AUTHORITY >34 CFR 361.50(b) >POLICY >The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for >in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny an >individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State >service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would >meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is not >responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. >However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the >individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to >approve or disapproval such a service. >Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 But >compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA >PD-01-03: > POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants >and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to >exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making >decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, >settings for employment and service provision, and methods for >procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, >the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance >needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to >implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop >resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR >services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; >these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with >Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this mean, >that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB, due to >causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS, since the >previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've attached a >document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you know who they are. >Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that I'll >be able to have enough information in order to make an informed choice as to >where to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master of >theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It was >tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I >believe the Lord has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an >effective minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to >sirvive? Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out >as by-vocational. In 2004, until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I have >a batchors degree in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my >part. Mrs. Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 17:07:05 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:07:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chelsea and all, Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what you described. We were also urged to get the special wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the whole book in my room at once. Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. Arielle On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: > I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote > location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk > everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping > three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need > something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows > Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they > usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about > PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you > figure things out. > Beth > > On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >> Hello NABSters, >> >> >> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >> >> Thanks, >> Chelsea >> -- >> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >> been reached through >> the stars." >> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sat Apr 24 17:10:45 2010 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:10:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions References: Message-ID: <2FF1A1DC62AD424A83A9198FA4F47C0B@D3DTZP41> Hello Chelsea: I think it depends a lot on the type of dorm room and roommate. Some students arrange to share a room with a friend and this can work out. When I went to school, I couldn't afford a single room and so had a variety of roommates. Most worked out fine, but I had one who was a heavy drug user and another one who possibly smoked pot (He liked to burn lots of incense.).Sometimes, I would end up in a single room and it was very nice to be able to have a reader and not worry about what my roommate might be needing to do. If I could afford it, I would go for the single room. Regards, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chelsea Cook" To: Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions > Hello NABSters, > > > I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy > getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested > by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will > have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've > shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. > What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an > enticing idea; just want a second opinion. > > Thanks, > Chelsea > -- > "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the > stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has > been reached through > the stars." > Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and > Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Sat Apr 24 17:15:17 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:15:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions References: Message-ID: <3FB4D559E8F347BDA1D4ECC7E0149295@Serene> I wouldn't recommend a single room for a different reason than Beth. I wouldn't get a single room your first year cuz that will make the Residence Life staff think you need it just cuz you're blind. Yes, I know the reason your other blind friends were recommending you get it is cuz of your books and equipment, but the Residence Life staff will think it's cuz of a million stupid blindness myths! There's a saying in the NFB, "If you give an inch, they'll (sighted people) take a mile." This means, if you tell them that some things about blindness are difficult for you, such as mobility, they'll think everything else is impossible for all blind people! During my freshman year, I had 2 roommates that didn't last/work out for different reasons.: 1. My first roommate wanted to live w/ her best friends from the beginning. She didn't care about my blindness one way or another. She eventually got her wish. 2. My second roommate was overprotective of me cuz of blindness, but also had issues of her own. I decided not to be her roommate my sophomore year. Then, when 2 other blind people (not on this list) got accepted at my college, they were given single rooms. Although the Residence Life staff claimed they gave the blind students single rooms cuz of all their equipment, I believe they gave the blind students single rooms because they believed sighted students wouldn't want to room w/ the new blind students. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions >I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote > location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk > everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping > three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need > something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows > Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they > usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about > PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you > figure things out. > Beth > > On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >> Hello NABSters, >> >> >> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >> >> Thanks, >> Chelsea >> -- >> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >> been reached through >> the stars." >> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 18:31:41 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:31:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Arielle, I was recommended for a single because the roommate I had was freaking out each time I tried to type even. My roommate before was always bitching to me (excuse that one) about keeping the door locked. I was reassigned because they claimed I couldn't live with anybody. Well, in Colorado, I'll end up having a roommate anyway, but my own bedroom is a good idea because then I have my own private space. Typical dorm rooms have no private space for anybody and you live in close cramped quarters. Also, in dorms and in any apartment-style residence halls, you have to have shots beforehand. I had to get a meningitis shot and had to update my other shots and immunizations. All because of that. The thing I don't like about dorms in general is that they have special fire safety rules and you can't have a toaster in them. I'm trying to live in a more permanent real life setting after I attend CCB. Beth On 4/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Chelsea and all, > > Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind > students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what > you described. We were also urged to get the special > wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have > more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but > insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I > wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more > disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't > think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, > and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a > typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they > generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I > think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I > think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm > room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little > space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works > just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), > you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in > Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up > much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books > too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the > whole book in my room at once. > > Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure > you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would > normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a > wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may > appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very > awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has > them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want > to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. > > Arielle > > On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: >> I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote >> location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk >> everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping >> three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need >> something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows >> Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they >> usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about >> PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you >> figure things out. >> Beth >> >> On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>> Hello NABSters, >>> >>> >>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chelsea >>> -- >>> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >>> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >>> been reached through >>> the stars." >>> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >>> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 18:33:46 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:33:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning out of state services In-Reply-To: References: <4DCFC366A9EE4C91B2FB225072E31F8F@Ashley> Message-ID: Good thinking, Steve. I think I need to contact CCB again and ask about how they can possibly help fund the extra $350 per month the state of Florida won't pay and that my parents don't want to pay. So if that's possible, that wouldbe nice. Also, I wrote the Lions Club MD35 in Florida via e-mail, and I'm wondering if anyone has thought of this suggestion that a lady on the Florida list gave me. I too her suggestion seriously. Beth On 4/22/10, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Also, the centers themselves have some experience with how to approach state > agencies for adjustment to blindness > training from the centers. If you have decided which center you would like > to attend, contact them and ask them if they > have had others from your state and if they have suggestions for you. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:29:48 -0400, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>Rj, > >>I'm not sure why you forwarded it to the list. Someone in the state NFB >>such as your chapter president would have to help you with this. It seems >>like if you can justify going to LCB and I am sure you can, then, you'll >> get >>funding up to the amount they would pay for the state training. >>So when you justify find out the costs of each center per month; LCB may be >> >>cheaper. Talk to both center directors and find out what LCB has that you >>can't get in state. > >>Good luck. >>Ashley >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "RJ Sandefur" >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:00 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: questions concerning informed choice,and DBS's policy >> >>concerning out of state services > > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Howard-Davis, Bobbie >>To: RJ Sandefur >>Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:51 AM >>Subject: RE: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy >>concerning out of state services > > >>Mr. Sandefur, please accept my condolence to you on the lost of your >> mother. > >>If you need some adjustment to blindness training at this time, we can >>reopen your file and refer you the Lighthouse for the Blind of the Palm >>Beaches at this time for training. > > > >>I am also attaching a copy the Division's policy on Informed Choice to help >> >>you in making your decision about training. > > > >>I know you are aware of the DBS policy on Out-State-Services, because you >>attached it to your e-mail. > > > >>In order to assist you with training services, please call our office and >>ask to have your case reopen for services at 561-681-2448 or 866-225-0794. > > > > > >>Bobbie Howard-Davis > >>District Administrator > > > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>From: RJ Sandefur [mailto:joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com] >>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 10:09 AM >>To: Howard-Davis, Bobbie >>Subject: questions concerning informed choice, and DBS's policy concerning >>out of state services > > >>Dear Mrs. Davis, My name is Robert Sandefur, I have some questions for you >>concerning my right to informed choice, and the DBS policy concerning out >> of >>state services. In 1999, I attended the rehabilitation center, which is now >> >>the orientation and adjustment center, and did not find the experience to >> be >>a pleasant one. In 2004, I closed my case with DBS, due to a disagreement >>with my councilor at the time. However, due to having recently lost my >>mother, and other factors, I believe I am in need of some adjustment to >>blindness training, and this training should be conducted at the Louisiana >>center for the blind. (LCB) I was looking at the DBS web sight and came >>across the policy concerning out of state services: >>Out of State Services >>DIVISION POLICY 6.14 > >>SUBJECT >>Out of State Services > >>EFFECTIVE DATE >>July 9, 2003 > >>REVISION DATE >>February 14, 2008 > >>EXPIRATION DATE >>This policy will be reviewed annually and updated as needed. > >>PURPOSE > >>To provide guidelines for the provision of out-of-state services. > >>AUTHORITY >>34 CFR 361.50(b) > >>POLICY >>The Florida Division of Blind Services has established a preference for >>in-State services, provided that the preference does not effectively deny >> an >>individual a necessary service. If the individual chooses an out-of-State >>service at a higher cost than an in-State service, and either service would >> >>meet the individual's rehabilitation needs, the designated State unit is >> not >>responsible for those costs in excess of the cost of the in-State service. >>However, if the out-of-state services provides a unique service to meet the >> >>individual's rehabilitation plan, the Bureau Chief should be contacted to >>approve or disapproval such a service. > >>Original signed by Michael Elliott, Bureau Chief, February 14, 2008 But >>compare this with a directive from RSA. policy as stated in 2001 in RSA >>PD-01-03: > > >> POLICY STATEMENT: The State VR program must provide applicants >>and individuals eligible for VR services with opportunities to >>exercise informed choice throughout the VR process, including making >>decisions about the employment goal, VR services, service providers, >>settings for employment and service provision, and methods for >>procuring services. To enable an individual to make such decisions, >>the State VR agency must provide information, support and assistance >>needed by the individual. The VR agency has the responsibility to >>implement policies, procedures, and practices, and to develop >>resources that enable applicants and individuals eligible for VR >>services to exercise informed choice throughout the entire VR process; >>these policies, procedures, and practices must be consistent with >>Federal statutory and regulatory requirements. Mrs. Davis, Does this mean, >>that DBS can tell me, "RJ, we're denying your request to attend LCB, due to >> >>causts?" I do realize I'd have to open a new case with DBS, since the >>previous one was closed in 2004. For your convience, I've attached a >>document explaining what LCB is, although I'm shure you know who they are. >>Mrs. Davis, This is only an inquiry, and I wish to get my facts so that >> I'll >>be able to have enough information in order to make an informed choice as >> to >>where to go from here. I did study with a Seminary, and obtain my master of >> >>theology, in 2006, and I was licensed by my church to preach in 2005. It >> was >>tough loosing Mom, and I know, she'd want me to continue doing what I >>believe the Lord has called me to do. However, How am I going to be an >>effective minister, if I don't have the blindness training, needed to >>sirvive? Another concern I have, is I have learned some ministers start out >> >>as by-vocational. In 2004, until now, I didn't see that aspect of it. I >> have >>a batchors degree in criminal justice. Another not so wise disision on my >>part. Mrs. Davis, I look forward to your answer. Sencerly, Robert Sandefur > > > >>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sat Apr 24 19:02:45 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:02:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind Message-ID: Hi NABS members: I am planning to go to LCB this summer based on a recommendation from a friend who's gone there before. I was just wondering, any of you from LCB, what was your experience? Also, do you know any website where I can fine out more info about the center? Thanks. Jorge From brileyp at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 19:21:23 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:21:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As for me, having a roommate my freshman year was the best idea. I had a lot of books and equipment, but it worked out just fine. I ended up moving to a single the next year because I got a guide dog, but I definitely had a great start to my college experience by having a roommate. I learned a lot about myself and how to interact with others. Good luck!! Briley On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Chelsea and all, > > Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind > students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what > you described. We were also urged to get the special > wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have > more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but > insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I > wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more > disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't > think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, > and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a > typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they > generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I > think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I > think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm > room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little > space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works > just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), > you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in > Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up > much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books > too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the > whole book in my room at once. > > Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure > you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would > normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a > wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may > appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very > awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has > them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want > to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. > > Arielle > > On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: >> I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote >> location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk >> everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping >> three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need >> something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows >> Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they >> usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about >> PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you >> figure things out. >> Beth >> >> On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>> Hello NABSters, >>> >>> >>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chelsea >>> -- >>> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >>> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >>> been reached through >>> the stars." >>> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >>> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 19:38:39 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:38:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS memebership Philosphy 101 Call In-Reply-To: <134F1011A55D4E61B3131C602C2D493C@Serene> References: <8E8F2F4B65BA4675948F49E909B8E696@your0d10610b06> <134F1011A55D4E61B3131C602C2D493C@Serene> Message-ID: Hi all, You can Search for the Group: National Association of Blind Students" on facebook. If you want to become a fan on nabs on twitter (and you absolutely Should!), just look for "nabslink" I hope that answered your questions! Darian On 4/23/10, Serena wrote: > What's the name of the NABS facebook page? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 1:45 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] NABS memebership Philosphy 101 Call > > >> >> Hello Fellow Nabsters, >> >> The NABS Membership committee will be hosting the next in our series of >> conference calls. >> We will have guest speakers Ron Gardiner and Sam gleese, come in and speak >> >> to us on the importance of NFB Philosophy, what NFB philosophy is, and how >> >> to best utilize our Federation Philosophy. >> Ron Gardiner is a member of the Affiliate Action team, in the National >> Center of the NFB, he is also the president of the National Federation of >> the blind of Utah. Sam Gleese is the president of the National Federation >> n of the Blind of Mississippi. >> Please join us on- >> >> Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010 >> Where: Nabsconference line- 712.757.7100 code: 257963. >> When: 7 pm. EST >> >> All members are welcome to come share their federation stories, >> testimonies, learn, teach and share with each other lessons on blindness >> philosophy, etc... >> We hope to be able to see you there. If there are any questions, please >> feel free to respond to the email. >> Also please join the NABS membership twitter account- nabslink >> and our Facebook page. >> >> Warmest Regards, >> >> Janice Jeang >> Co-chair >> Membership committee >> Secretary >> National Association of Blind Students. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com " Life is not about always making the right dicisions, it's about learning which dicisions are the right ones to make." From brileyp at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 19:53:50 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:53:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43FB21AB-990C-4D4C-A0B0-9DECD5473AE2@gmail.com> Hello! I have never been, but I can help with the website part. Here is a link. http://www.lcb-ruston.com/ From what I hear from those I know who have attended, it is a life changing place. I'm sure you'll get many responses. Briley On Apr 24, 2010, at 2:02 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Hi NABS members: > I am planning to go to LCB this summer based on a recommendation from a friend who's gone there before. > I was just wondering, any of you from LCB, what was your experience? > > Also, do you know any website where I can fine out more info about the center? > > Thanks. > > > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 20:00:12 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:00:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind References: Message-ID: Jorge, Do you have skype? my skype name is rj.sandefur Feel free to add me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:02 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind > Hi NABS members: > I am planning to go to LCB this summer based on a recommendation from a > friend who's gone there before. > I was just wondering, any of you from LCB, what was your experience? > > Also, do you know any website where I can fine out more info about the > center? > > Thanks. > > > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From mbrianwooten at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 20:26:05 2010 From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:26:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jorge, I was a student there last year and I cannot describe with words how it changed my life. I kept a blog of my time there. Please feel free to read it. My wife and I are turning it into a book soon. The blog is www.theblindcompass.wordpress.com. I wrote it specifically to provide insight to those who may wish to attend.. I hope you find it useful. There is a link to the LCB web site on my blog. Best wishes, Brian Wooten Nashville Tennessee Phone: 615 680 9656 On 4/24/10, RJ Sandefur wrote: > Jorge, Do you have skype? my skype name is rj.sandefur > Feel free to add me. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorge Paez" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 3:02 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind > > >> Hi NABS members: >> I am planning to go to LCB this summer based on a recommendation from a >> friend who's gone there before. >> I was just wondering, any of you from LCB, what was your experience? >> >> Also, do you know any website where I can fine out more info about the >> center? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> Jorge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com > -- M. Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615-680-9656 From gera1027 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 21:31:24 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:31:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions Message-ID: <00ea01cae3f5$7f3394e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Hi listers: this week something happened I'd like to share which brings me to some questions about trying to live via NFB's philosophy. this week I had an appointment and unfortunately because of circumstances hard to explain depend on my parents to take me to places but an working on getting a driver hired to whom I can contact when wanting to go places. Is this what it means when you guys talk about drivers? Anyway the weather outside was terrible! raining very hard thus my parents asked my oppinion on if I should cancel which when my parents told me that it was black outside and the weather didn't want to seem to clear I accepted but have had a nagging feeling that I should have done something more but can't put my finger on what! if I would have had a driver would I still have had to cancel? If I would have lived by NFB philosophy would I have reacted being stubborn and went anyway? because making things worse two hours later the weather began to clear! and I felt very (I don't know the word) impotence? I mean that lately when things happen and I may have a way to solve them I feel desperate like I want to do it but am afraid to go forth! I have lots of plans and ideas which I've kept to myself in all the things I can do but haven't had a chance to try! Is this the right path in getting to live via NFB Philosophy? Would I have resolved the situation better had I had the tools such as informed choice and other concepts I've learned in reading the Braille Monitor and on the list? Gerardo From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sat Apr 24 22:51:56 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:51:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions Message-ID: <107C6424-20AA-4ED0-A557-089D6DF5D0B2@mac.com> Yes and no. It really depends on what you mean by "living by the NFB philosophy." What state are you in? I recommend that if you're in New York State, anwhere in Westchester, or New York City you should get Accessride. Its a service from the MTA which allows you to schedule trips. The only trick is that you have to call at least 24 hours in advanced. I also believe from people that have told me that Florida has something of the sourt as well. This is the closest that I've come to a "driver," as you call it, and it is a very efficient way for advanced trips. Is it with the NFB philosophy? Again, I don't understand what you mean by this, but I've said what I believe is close to your question (please correct me if I'm wrong). Hope this helps. Jorge From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 22:54:34 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:54:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions In-Reply-To: <00ea01cae3f5$7f3394e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> References: <00ea01cae3f5$7f3394e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Gerardo, Be confident and independent because it's something you feel motivated to pursue for yourself, not because it's an organizational philosophy. Everyone has the natural ability to be independent. The NFB just happens to have a unique way of showing it to you. As to your question, no one likes relying on other people, especially relatives, to move about one's daily tasks. If you have the means to pay a driver, I think the question is a moot one. Why wouldn't you hire a driver to get to your appointments? If hiring a driver is not a practical solution, what are the public transportation and alternative transportation options in your area? What type of event were you trying to attend, and would it have been feasible to ask someone also attending to give you a ride? Are there friends who would be willing to give you a ride in exchange for lunch or some other favor? If you attend church, are there volunteer opportunities for which you could make your transportation one of those opportunities? Are there other community centers where similar volunteer opportunities could be listed? If this had been a job interview, what would you have done? Ultimately, this so-called NFB philosophy is about confronting challenges with a myriad of potential solutions. My own personal philosophy recognizes that life as a blind person can sometimes be a real pain in the ass, but how far you get comes down to how innovative you are about finding different ways out of the problem and how much you learn for the next time you encounter a similar obstacle. Good luck to you. Best, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:31 PM To: BlindStudents Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions Hi listers: this week something happened I'd like to share which brings me to some questions about trying to live via NFB's philosophy. this week I had an appointment and unfortunately because of circumstances hard to explain depend on my parents to take me to places but an working on getting a driver hired to whom I can contact when wanting to go places. Is this what it means when you guys talk about drivers? Anyway the weather outside was terrible! raining very hard thus my parents asked my oppinion on if I should cancel which when my parents told me that it was black outside and the weather didn't want to seem to clear I accepted but have had a nagging feeling that I should have done something more but can't put my finger on what! if I would have had a driver would I still have had to cancel? If I would have lived by NFB philosophy would I have reacted being stubborn and went anyway? because making things worse two hours later the weather began to clear! and I felt very (I don't know the word) impotence? I mean that lately when things happen and I may have a way to solve them I feel desperate like I want to do it but am afraid to go forth! I have lots of plans and ideas which I've kept to myself in all the things I can do but haven't had a chance to try! Is this the right path in getting to live via NFB Philosophy? Would I have resolved the situation better had I had the tools such as informed choice and other concepts I've learned in reading the Braille Monitor and on the list? Gerardo _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5057 (20100424) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 23:27:38 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:27:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions In-Reply-To: <00ea01cae3f5$7f3394e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> References: <00ea01cae3f5$7f3394e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Gerardo, I live by the philosophy that my blindness is nothing more than an inconvenience. I don't let it stop me from taking busses to get places, cooking for myself, going dancing, or traveling to a place I have never been. Even having the attitude that my blindness is not a tragedy I am still occasionally burdened by feelings of frustration, anger, or sadness because of situations I am put in as a result of my blindness. An example of this happening to me occured a few weeks ago when my city experienced some really bad weather. One of my college classes is a night class and my city's public transportation is set up so that after 6PM only certain busses run and they only run once an hour. After my class is dismissed I typically walk about a mile to the nearest night time bus stop where I will wait about 45 minutes for the next bus. That night the weather was aweful and I didn't feel very safe walking in the lightening and being surrounded by drivers who quite frankly don't always drive very safely. I called my mother before class and asked if she could pick me up since I didn't feel safe walking. She agreed and I went to class. My classmates are all very nice people and many of them have explicitly told me that if I ever needed a ride then I could call them and they'd help me. I would have asked them for a ride but the last few times I tried to broache the subject they all miraculously became too busy to help. When my class was over I went downstairs to wait for my mom. It was pouring outside and all of my classmates walked past me without asking if I needed a ride, knowing full well how far I have to walk and wait for the bus. As it turns out, my mom sent my cousin to pick me up and on the way he got into a car wreck because of the bad weather. My cousin was fine annd his car only suffered minor damage but I was very upset. I felt guilty because I'd asked for a ride, even though it was the right thing to do and I felt very angry at my classmates for not even thinking to see if I needed to go anywhere. Just to give you a little more information about myself and this situation, I want you to know I am a very independent person. I always see if I can get somewhere using public transportation before I ask for a ride from family or friends. When I doo look for rides i always offer something in exchange like gas money, a meal at a restaurant, coffee etc. I don't think I am entitled to freebees just because I am blind so when I said that I was angry with my classmates it's because they offered me rides and then always seemed to be miraculously busy when I tried to take them up on their offor. I was also angry because if I could drive and I ssaw that someone would have to walk in bad weather, regardless of whether or not they were blind I would have offered them a ride and followed through with it. I used that example to help illustrate the fact that it is natural to feel things like that even if you are very independent. The trick is to not let them get you down. I got out of my bad mood once I realized that my cousin was fine and that I couldn't expect people to have the same level of generosity or morals that I do. I would suggest you looking into the possibility of hiring a driver though. If you can choose when you want to go somewhere and how you will get there then your feelings of frustration will go away a little bit. I hope this example helps. Just don't feel like you're the only one that has these feelings. I'm sure that everyone on this list has felt the same way you feel at one point in their lives. Just remember that a feeling is a feeling and is something that you shouldn't let control your life. Use this as a catalyst to learn more alternative techniques or do something like hire a driver. remember that we will always be here for advice or support. Best Wishes, Domonique On 4/24/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi listers: this week something happened I'd like to share which brings me > to some questions about trying to live via NFB's philosophy. > this week I had an appointment and unfortunately because of circumstances > hard to explain depend on my parents to take me to places but an working on > getting a driver hired to whom I can contact when wanting to go places. Is > this what it means when you guys talk about drivers? > Anyway the weather outside was terrible! raining very hard thus my parents > asked my oppinion on if I should cancel which when my parents told me that > it was black outside and the weather didn't want to seem to clear I accepted > but have had a nagging feeling that I should have done something more but > can't put my finger on what! if I would have had a driver would I still have > had to cancel? If I would have lived by NFB philosophy would I have reacted > being stubborn and went anyway? because making things worse two hours later > the weather began to clear! and I felt very (I don't know the word) > impotence? I mean that lately when things happen and I may have a way to > solve them I feel desperate like I want to do it but am afraid to go forth! > I have lots of plans and ideas which I've kept to myself in all the things I > can do but haven't had a chance to try! Is this the right path in getting to > live via NFB Philosophy? Would I have resolved the situation better had I > had the tools such as informed choice and other concepts I've learned in > reading the Braille Monitor and on the list? > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 23:57:24 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:57:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs conference call: Philosiphy 101 Message-ID: Greetings! we would like to extend an invitation to join the national association of blind studentsin discussing federation philosiphy (or as much as we all know about it). April 25th a 7 p.m. eastren time. the guest speakers will be ron gardner and sam gleese. Ron is the prisident of the NFB of Utah and a board member of the national federation of the blind. Sam is the president of the NFB of Mississippi. please join us on the conference line 712.775.7100 passcode 257963 if you can't make it for some reason- no problem, the call will be streamed live recorded so individuals who can't make it but really want to know what they missed can find out too! thanks so much and we look forward to seeing you there! -- Darian Smith membership co-char board member National association of blind students Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com " Life is not about always making the right dicisions, it's about learning which dicisions are the right ones to make." From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 23:57:48 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:57:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Beth, You need to justify to your VR counselor why an NFB training center is better for you than an in state center and how Colorado specifically meets your needs. You need to provide them with as much detail as possible and you shouldn't say things like, it's jusst better. For example, if you are interested in an NFB training center because you'd be living in an apartment tell VR that you'd rather be in an environment where you would have to cook, and clean for yourself. You need to prove to them why living in a dormatory style environment is more detramental to your independence than helpful. You can usually obtain what you need from agencies like voc rehab as long as you are explicit, coherent, and straightforward. I hope this helps. Domonique On 4/23/10, Beth wrote: > I'll actually get in touch with Kathy. I was in touch with her fora > while, so maybe she knows about what went on. > Beth > > On 4/23/10, Brian Wooten wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I used hte informed choice option to leave Tennessee and attend the >> Center in Louisiana. The former Florida State President was there at >> the same time as I was. So I know it can be done. You may want to >> contact her for advice. Her name is kathy Davis. Wonderful person to >> speak with. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Brian Wooten >> Nashville, Tennessee >> Phone: 615 680 9656 >> >> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>> I like Carolyn's suggestion of writing the local Lions Club. What's >>> the way to do it? Snail mail? I'm not much of a snail mail person as >>> I am an e-mail person. Who should I e-mail? Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 4/23/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>> Hi Beth: >>>> >>>> I hate it when people don't respond by email as I'm much more of an >>>> email person rather than phone but yeah you should call him if he does >>>> not respond to your emails. >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>>> I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president >>>>> I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give >>>>> Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. >>>>> Beth >>>>> >>>>> On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>>> Hi Beth: >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining the >>>>>> situation to him/her? >>>>>> I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. >>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>> >>>>>> Kerri >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >>>>>>> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >>>>>>> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month to >>>>>>> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >>>>>>> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental health, >>>>>>> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I choose >>>>>>> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. The >>>>>>> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >>>>>>> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in Colorado. >>>>>>> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >>>>>>> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. I >>>>>>> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >>>>>>> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >>>>>>> Beth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> M. Brian Wooten >> Nashville, Tennessee >> Phone: 615-680-9656 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From gera1027 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 00:11:42 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:11:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] About Structured discovery in every day life Message-ID: <016a01cae40b$e3f778e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Hi guys: I was reading up on the Structured Discovery method and as I understand it it's a combination of guidance and doing things yourself. I got to thinking that not necessarily O&M is the only place where one can use it because though we don't or might not know, we tend to use it in every day life! for instance on the PC suppose a friend teaches us the basics use of Qwitter, Jaws or whatever software and hardware. Knowing the basics I can then take it from there and learn more advanced things myself. is this kind of how the structured discovery method works? I don't know why but it sounds very interesting, thus my question to you guys and hoping that it might serve for those also new in all these topics! Definitely lots of things to take in! Gerardo From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 00:21:56 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:21:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs conference call: Philosiphy 101 Message-ID: Just 2 quick questions. What time is the call? I most certainly will be calling in if I can make it. And the other thing is, what do you mean by Federation Philosophy? Jorge From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 00:24:38 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:24:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Chelsea, I think this will depend a lot on the style and set-up of your dorm as well as your personality. I had a single room during college, but it was part of a suite (I shared a living room and bathroom with three other girls), and it worked great for me. I did not feel socially isolated, and I was able to enjoy some privacy and personal space that most college students, blind or sighted, would appreciate. Since there were a lot of single rooms in my dorm, I did not stand out in any particular way with my peers. Although my computer equipment and braille books would have probably fit comfortably in a regular double room, having my own bedroom did mean that I could use a reader without worrying about bothering my roommate, and it also allowed me to use my Perkins brailler to do some of the more complicated math calculations. Having said that, I think that having a roommate simply works better for some people than others, so if you shared a room with someone before and would like to have the roommate experience again, your blindness shouldn't keep you from the adventure (another blind student at my college chose to have a double room and it worked well for him). However, if you feel that having more privacy is important for you, feel free to ask for a single. As others have mentioned, though, make sure your room is not in a remote or "special" section of the dorm, and definitely don't shy away from participating in dorm/floor social events. Hope this helps, and best of luck with the start of college! Katie On 4/24/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > As for me, having a roommate my freshman year was the best idea. I had a lot > of books and equipment, but it worked out just fine. I ended up moving to a > single the next year because I got a guide dog, but I definitely had a great > start to my college experience by having a roommate. I learned a lot about > myself and how to interact with others. > > Good luck!! > > Briley > > > On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Chelsea and all, >> >> Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind >> students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what >> you described. We were also urged to get the special >> wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have >> more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but >> insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I >> wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more >> disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't >> think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, >> and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a >> typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they >> generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I >> think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I >> think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm >> room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little >> space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works >> just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), >> you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in >> Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up >> much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books >> too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the >> whole book in my room at once. >> >> Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure >> you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would >> normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a >> wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may >> appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very >> awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has >> them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want >> to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: >>> I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote >>> location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk >>> everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping >>> three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need >>> something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows >>> Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they >>> usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about >>> PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you >>> figure things out. >>> Beth >>> >>> On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>>> Hello NABSters, >>>> >>>> >>>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Chelsea >>>> -- >>>> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >>>> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >>>> been reached through >>>> the stars." >>>> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >>>> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From trillian551 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 00:46:37 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:46:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Chelsea, >From both a student and Resident Advisor point of view, it really depends on you. I had a roommate my Freshmen year, and it worked out just fine. I now have my own room, which is one of the perks of working for residence life, and I absolutely love it. If you do decide to have a roommate, just make sure you guys talk about your personal preferences. At Emory wwe have students fill out roommate agreements, where residents just write down times they would like to go to sleep, room temperature and such. You'd be surprised the things that come up when two strangers are thrown together. My roommate was totally cool with my books and everything, just make sure you keep your stuff to your side of the room. A great place to store bulky braille books is under your bed. If you're school has some kind of special rooming, just don't take it, especially if they store you in some remote area of your hall Like Arielle said, keeping an opened door policy is a great way to make friends, and please go to your hall programs, you're R.A will love you for it! A lot of times you get free food too! I love free food! Ok, going back to my stats studying, but good luck, and have fun! Mary On 4/24/10, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Chelsea, > I think this will depend a lot on the style and set-up of your dorm > as well as your personality. I had a single room during college, but > it was part of a suite (I shared a living room and bathroom with three > other girls), and it worked great for me. I did not feel socially > isolated, and I was able to enjoy some privacy and personal space that > most college students, blind or sighted, would appreciate. Since there > were a lot of single rooms in my dorm, I did not stand out in any > particular way with my peers. Although my computer equipment and > braille books would have probably fit comfortably in a regular double > room, having my own bedroom did mean that I could use a reader without > worrying about bothering my roommate, and it also allowed me to use my > Perkins brailler to do some of the more complicated math calculations. > Having said that, I think that having a roommate simply works better > for some people than others, so if you shared a room with someone > before and would like to have the roommate experience again, your > blindness shouldn't keep you from the adventure (another blind student > at my college chose to have a double room and it worked well for him). > However, if you feel that having more privacy is important for you, > feel free to ask for a single. As others have mentioned, though, make > sure your room is not in a remote or "special" section of the dorm, > and definitely don't shy away from participating in dorm/floor social > events. > Hope this helps, and best of luck with the start of college! > Katie > > On 4/24/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> As for me, having a roommate my freshman year was the best idea. I had a >> lot >> of books and equipment, but it worked out just fine. I ended up moving to >> a >> single the next year because I got a guide dog, but I definitely had a >> great >> start to my college experience by having a roommate. I learned a lot about >> myself and how to interact with others. >> >> Good luck!! >> >> Briley >> >> >> On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >>> Hi Chelsea and all, >>> >>> Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind >>> students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what >>> you described. We were also urged to get the special >>> wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have >>> more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but >>> insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I >>> wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more >>> disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't >>> think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, >>> and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a >>> typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they >>> generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I >>> think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I >>> think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm >>> room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little >>> space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works >>> just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), >>> you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in >>> Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up >>> much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books >>> too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the >>> whole book in my room at once. >>> >>> Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure >>> you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would >>> normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a >>> wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may >>> appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very >>> awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has >>> them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want >>> to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: >>>> I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote >>>> location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk >>>> everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping >>>> three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need >>>> something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows >>>> Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they >>>> usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about >>>> PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you >>>> figure things out. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>>>> Hello NABSters, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>>>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>>>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>>>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>>>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>>>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>>>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Chelsea >>>>> -- >>>>> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >>>>> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >>>>> been reached through >>>>> the stars." >>>>> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >>>>> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 01:02:39 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:02:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind Message-ID: <9E8092CA-44C9-43A6-98AC-E10B0FA555DD@mac.com> Thanks for your help with my last question about the LCB. I followed the site link and applied for the STEP program, since that one starts at 15. I've heard people say you have to be in 10th grade to apply for STEP. Is that true? My other question was, they asked for a councilor's name. Do they contact my councilor if I'm accepted, or do I get the news then have to talk to my counceler myself? Thanks. Jorge From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 01:13:58 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:13:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice References: Message-ID: What about a place like LCB? Could I say something like, "At the LCB, students are required to take Braille, computers, and home and personal mannagement. However, what sets LCB appart from a traditional center, is that since you live in an appartment, You're required to utelize the skills you learn in class on a dailly basis. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] informed choice > Beth, > You need to justify to your VR counselor why an NFB training center is > better for you than an in state center and how Colorado specifically > meets your needs. You need to provide them with as much detail as > possible and you shouldn't say things like, it's jusst better. For > example, if you are interested in an NFB training center because you'd > be living in an apartment tell VR that you'd rather be in an > environment where you would have to cook, and clean for yourself. You > need to prove to them why living in a dormatory style environment is > more detramental to your independence than helpful. You can usually > obtain what you need from agencies like voc rehab as long as you are > explicit, coherent, and straightforward. I hope this helps. > > Domonique > > On 4/23/10, Beth wrote: >> I'll actually get in touch with Kathy. I was in touch with her fora >> while, so maybe she knows about what went on. >> Beth >> >> On 4/23/10, Brian Wooten wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I used hte informed choice option to leave Tennessee and attend the >>> Center in Louisiana. The former Florida State President was there at >>> the same time as I was. So I know it can be done. You may want to >>> contact her for advice. Her name is kathy Davis. Wonderful person to >>> speak with. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Brian Wooten >>> Nashville, Tennessee >>> Phone: 615 680 9656 >>> >>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>> I like Carolyn's suggestion of writing the local Lions Club. What's >>>> the way to do it? Snail mail? I'm not much of a snail mail person as >>>> I am an e-mail person. Who should I e-mail? Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> On 4/23/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>> Hi Beth: >>>>> >>>>> I hate it when people don't respond by email as I'm much more of an >>>>> email person rather than phone but yeah you should call him if he does >>>>> not respond to your emails. >>>>> >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>>>> I'd like to do that, actually. I e-mailed Dan Hicks, who's president >>>>>> I think in Florda, but nno response came. I'd like to actually give >>>>>> Mr. Hicks a call and express what has happened. >>>>>> Beth >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/22/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Beth: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you tried calling the NFB of Florida president and explaining >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> situation to him/her? >>>>>>> I think that'd be your best bet to effectively get the NFB involved. >>>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kerri >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/22/10, Beth wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, guys. This is an update concerning the Colorado trip. I am >>>>>>>> hoping to start May 10, but DBS (Division of Blind Services) in >>>>>>>> Florida wants to only pay a certain amount leaving $350 per month >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> be paid. I am having a big problem. My family wants me to go to >>>>>>>> Louisiana, but because I have issues beyond blindness, mental >>>>>>>> health, >>>>>>>> that have to be taken care of in a more established setting, I >>>>>>>> choose >>>>>>>> Colorado. Littleton and Denver have more servies for blind people >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> those of us fighting mental illnesses that go beyond blindness. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> policy that DBS gave me was that they wanted to pay for in-state >>>>>>>> services and only sponsor in-state portions of the stay in >>>>>>>> Colorado. >>>>>>>> How is this a violation of informed choice? How can I go about >>>>>>>> getting the extra $350 per month? ANy help would be appreciated. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> think the NFB needs to get up on its feet and fight this because to >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> honest, the Florida services are not good and Ruston doesn't have >>>>>>>> enough to accommodte my specific needs. >>>>>>>> Beth >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> M. Brian Wooten >>> Nashville, Tennessee >>> Phone: 615-680-9656 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > Or how would you word it? From corbbo at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 01:15:53 2010 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:15:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tend not to avoid doing things just because the staff might subscribe to one assumption or another. Likewise, I tend not to buck assistance when it's given to me just to appear independent. If I need the help in that situation, I'll ask for it; if I want to be independent and am doing just fine, then I'll politely decline the help. The same goes for college rooms. I've had a roommate all four years, and while I haven't had the greatest experience with roommates, I wouldn't want to go through college without them. Socializing was easier with a roommate, and it was nice to come back and be around people as opposed to being isolated. Chelsea, you said you've lived in a dorm before, so that should give you a good idea about yourself. If you know you can go socialize and do just fine, and a single is what you want -- not what is recommended to you, but what you want -- then go for it. I'd say give the roommate a try; you can always change your mind for next year. Corbb On Apr 24, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Briley Pollard wrote: As for me, having a roommate my freshman year was the best idea. I had a lot of books and equipment, but it worked out just fine. I ended up moving to a single the next year because I got a guide dog, but I definitely had a great start to my college experience by having a roommate. I learned a lot about myself and how to interact with others. Good luck!! Briley On Apr 24, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Chelsea and all, > > Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind > students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what > you described. We were also urged to get the special > wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have > more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but > insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I > wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more > disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't > think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, > and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a > typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they > generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I > think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I > think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm > room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little > space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works > just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), > you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in > Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up > much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books > too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the > whole book in my room at once. > > Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure > you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would > normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a > wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may > appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very > awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has > them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want > to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. > > Arielle > > On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: >> I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote >> location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to >> walk >> everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping >> three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need >> something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows >> Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they >> usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about >> PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you >> figure things out. >> Beth >> >> On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>> Hello NABSters, >>> >>> >>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was >>> suggested >>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like >>> an >>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chelsea >>> -- >>> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >>> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom >>> has >>> been reached through >>> the stars." >>> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >>> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com From brileyp at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 01:19:57 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:19:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Louisiana Center For The Blind In-Reply-To: <9E8092CA-44C9-43A6-98AC-E10B0FA555DD@mac.com> References: <9E8092CA-44C9-43A6-98AC-E10B0FA555DD@mac.com> Message-ID: <0621AFB1-44F2-4BB3-A85A-5AD99F3A7222@gmail.com> You should go ahead and contact your VR councilor and go through the process of requesting funding. Depending on where you are, it can take a while, so you want to get the ball rolling ASAP. Briley On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Thanks for your help with my last question about the LCB. > I followed the site link and applied for the STEP program, since that one starts at 15. > I've heard people say you have to be in 10th grade to apply for STEP. Is that true? > > My other question was, they asked for a councilor's name. Do they contact my councilor if I'm accepted, or do I get the news then have to talk to my counceler myself? > > Thanks. > > Jorge > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 01:31:20 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:31:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice Message-ID: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and that's it. Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, but because you absolutely have to. Jorge From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Apr 25 02:10:30 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:10:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions References: <00ea01cae3f5$7f3394e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <87741CE11DCC4B929EA8FA9905F5D9D2@Ashley> Hi Gerardo, How you get around is a personal preference. As Joe said, be motivated for independence to pursue for yourself, not due to an organizational philosophy. Nfb philosophy says blindness is an inconvenience and one such inconvenience is transportation to work around. I see you are working on that. Hiring a driver is a good solution if you have the means. Blindness shouldn't stop you from living a full life. But keep in mind sighted people also cancel appointments due to inclement weather such as hard rain. So I wouldn't put yourself down for not living by the philosophy because you backed out of an appointment. You had a reason for cancelling. For instance my mother hates driving in storms too and sounds like your parents do as well. Its slippery and they can't see as well and there's increased likelyhood of a reck. If my mom can't reschedule she'll go earlier and drive cautiously otherwise she postpones anything she can until the storm and rain ends. Transportation is a struggle for all of us. Even with good transit like in the DC area, buses don't run all the time and more limited service on weekends. Public transit may not go everywhere you need to go either. Many areas are lacking in good transit. Do you live in or near a city? Typically cities have a public transportation system. Many areas have a door to door service for people with disabilities called paratransit. Where I live this is called Metro Access. Are there other options in your area? Is there a church you belong to that you could recruit volunteers from? How about asking the lions club or civic group such as the Rottery club? If you are going to an event maybe you could ask someone else going to the event to give you a ride? If you ask for rides regularly, offer something in exchange; its just polite, something like paying for a meal, gas, or some helpful favor. I hope you were able to reschedule or go to a similar appointment so you got whatever you needed accomplished. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" To: "BlindStudents" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions > Hi listers: this week something happened I'd like to share which brings me > to some questions about trying to live via NFB's philosophy. > this week I had an appointment and unfortunately because of circumstances > hard to explain depend on my parents to take me to places but an working > on > getting a driver hired to whom I can contact when wanting to go places. Is > this what it means when you guys talk about drivers? > Anyway the weather outside was terrible! raining very hard thus my parents > asked my oppinion on if I should cancel which when my parents told me that > it was black outside and the weather didn't want to seem to clear I > accepted > but have had a nagging feeling that I should have done something more but > can't put my finger on what! if I would have had a driver would I still > have > had to cancel? If I would have lived by NFB philosophy would I have > reacted > being stubborn and went anyway? because making things worse two hours > later > the weather began to clear! and I felt very (I don't know the word) > impotence? I mean that lately when things happen and I may have a way to > solve them I feel desperate like I want to do it but am afraid to go > forth! > I have lots of plans and ideas which I've kept to myself in all the things > I > can do but haven't had a chance to try! Is this the right path in getting > to > live via NFB Philosophy? Would I have resolved the situation better had I > had the tools such as informed choice and other concepts I've learned in > reading the Braille Monitor and on the list? > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 02:28:11 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:28:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] About Structured discovery in every day life In-Reply-To: <016a01cae40b$e3f778e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> References: <016a01cae40b$e3f778e0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: I'll shar an example of structured discovery that I experienced, and one I used as a nanny. At the rehab center, my O&M instructor was very enthusiastic about my sense of self-dependence. So, he liked to give me tasks over the weekend to show him my learning on Monday. One Friday, he gave me the tasks of finding out how to get from my apartment to the mall. This was no simple task for me, because I had very little experience with the bus system. I knew how to get to the bus...schedule a Paratransit trip to drop you off at the curb! But he said no more "cheating" (he used this term because I had used it to describe why I wanted to learn how to use the buses, that I felt Paratransit was a kind of cheating as far as O&M goes). So, I was like...where to start? He gave me a few links, and sent me on my way for the weekend. The first link was the webpage for Crabtree Valley Mall. This gave me the address, and it even mentioned where the bus stop was (outside Belk's) and what buses go there (quite a few, but I concentrated on the #16, which was a direct route to the mall). The second link was the webpage of the CAT bus system. There, I searched until I found the #16 route, and then had to translate the PDF file (a lesson all it's own). I finally found the time and name of the stop. Then I had to get to Moore Square for the transfer, so I had to use a past lesson wher he taught me how to get to the bus stop closest to my apartment, two blocks away. It was the #12, and in Moore Square, it went to the blue zone (Moore Square has zones, coloured red, blue, green, yellow, and purple). The #16 left from the blue zone, so I was lucky and didn't have to recall the crazy layout of Moore Square. So, I went back to the CAT bus page, found the route PDF file for the #12, and figured out the time it got to my stop, and when it got to the transfer point. I wrote these all down. On Saturday, I took the #12 to Moore Square, transferred to the #16, and asked the driver to let me know when we got to the mall stop. He did, and I got off. I asked another shopper where the front door to Belk's was, and went in. After navigating the mall a bit, I stopped in at a chocolate store, grabbed a chocolate bar for myself and a few chocolates for my teacher, and headed home. On Monday, he asked me how it went, and I handed him the candy and said "Great; want me to show you my new favourite chocolate shop there?" So, we did a kinda test-run (he wasn't allowed to take me on the bus, but he could do the parts before and after the bus, so he took me to the #12 bus stop, went over the times I chose, then brought me by car to the mall and we went from the bus stop to my new favourite shop. It was a great experience, and I got a prize out of it...he bought me some great chocolate sticks! That is what I consider structured discovery...give the student the means to learn something, and then step back and let them figure it out for themselves. As a professional nanny, I often used this design of teaching, as it helps children learn to be independent. They must learn not to rely on adults for every word of learning and every activity they participate in. For example, I planned a bug hunt activity one afternoon. I printed sheets that showed pictures of three common bugs (grasshoppers, roly-polys, and earthworms) and explained to the children (ages 4 and 6) where to find the bugs and how to collect them into the three jars provided. Then, I sent them out into the back yard and supervised this bug hunt. They both had a rather nice collection of grasshoppers in a wire-topped container with grass and dirt, roly polys in a jar with holes at the top and containing dirt and a few rocks, and earthworms in a larger plastic jar with lots of dirt and a few shriveled leaves and some grass blades. At the end, we went over the three types of bugs we had discovered in the back yard, and discussed why each bug was put in the container it was put in, and what sort of environment each bug needs. I asked them where they found their bugs (roly polys and earthworms were usually under rocks, while the grasshoppers were of course hopping around in the grass). And then we read a book about earthworms and how they create soil. I taught them, but they also taught themselves. The tools were provided to them to get as much out of the experience as they could, and we discussed it afterwards and they knew a great deal about each bug after. Hope that wasn't too boring, Jewel On 4/24/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi guys: I was reading up on the Structured Discovery method and as I > understand it it's a combination of guidance and doing things yourself. I > got to thinking that not necessarily O&M is the only place where one can use > it because though we don't or might not know, we tend to use it in every day > life! for instance on the PC suppose a friend teaches us the basics use of > Qwitter, Jaws or whatever software and hardware. Knowing the basics I can > then take it from there and learn more advanced things myself. is this kind > of how the structured discovery method works? I don't know why but it sounds > very interesting, thus my question to you guys and hoping that it might > serve for those also new in all these topics! Definitely lots of things to > take in! > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Apr 25 02:28:50 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:28:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs conference call: Philosiphy 101 References: Message-ID: <5A5E199B1EE74F2EA8D6FE80D0DFA5F1@Ashley> George, Federation philosophy is described in much of the nfb literature, particularly Jernigan's speeches. What nfb philosophy means is put into words and practice in many Braille Monitor articles. One key saying of the philosophy is "the real problem of blindness is not the lack of eye sight but the attitudes and misconceptions. With proper training the average blind person can compete in the average job and perform as well as his or her sighted peers." Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Nabs conference call: Philosiphy 101 > Just 2 quick questions. > What time is the call? I most certainly will be calling in if I can make > it. > And the other thing is, what do you mean by Federation Philosophy? > > Jorge > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Apr 25 02:55:56 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:55:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> References: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> Message-ID: Actually, someone trying for something out of the ordinary with rehab should remember that they have an employment goal, and an Individualized Plan for Employment. They have to show how the alternative they propose will get them to their goal, while the resources the agency normally uses would not do so. Dave At 08:31 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote: >Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can >claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and that's it. >Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn >it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to >use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, >but because you absolutely have to. > > >Jorge From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 03:19:06 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:19:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) In-Reply-To: <20100424095739.11314.8315@web3> References: <20100424095739.11314.8315@web3> Message-ID: Ok, I'll bring this up with my instructor Monday. Hopefully she'll get me one, because I am getting to where I *really* need it. On the way home today, because I didn't have my wooden support cane (too bulky for the morning's breakfast fundraiser event), I stumbled every few moments on the way home from the bus stop. I nearly fell over twice. This was becaus I was very exhausted from a long night of inability to sleep due to back and knee pain, as well as an early morning at a local NFB fundraiser (that went great, by the way), and a continuation of the severe back and knee pain. I was very afraid I'd fall on my back and injure myself, and actually sat down on the side of the sidewalk once to catch my energy back up and try to get over the poor balance and lack of strength. My condition is only worsening, but hopefully the chiropractor will help too. I'll see if I can get him to write a note to my instructor saying that I really would benefit greatly from a support cane of lighter weight and more ease of use than the one I have (which is bulky, heavy, and hard to travel with). Maybe a note from the doctor will convince my instructor to get the cane for me. It's so frustrating. ~Jewel On 4/24/10, Jessica wrote: > Jewel, > The support canes aren't all that long to begin with. By the way, you > don't need to be measured for the support cane because like I said last > night in my message they are one size fits all. So the O&M instructor > is correct that he/she won't need to measure you. I just asked my > fiancee and he basically said that the O&M instructor just essentially > bought the support cane for him. He was given a support cane that > didn't fold up. And, then the one that they bought for him was a > folding support cane. > Jessica > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 03:27:52 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:27:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi all, It sounds like Beth has already gone through this justification process and received approval for funding to go to CCB. The problem is that rehab is only agreeing to pay the in-state rate, which is less than what CCB charges per month. The question is, Can rehab legally be obligated to provide not just partial funding, but full funding, for out-of-state training? I don't know the answer to that. Arielle On 4/24/10, David Andrews wrote: > Actually, someone trying for something out of the ordinary with rehab > should remember that they have an employment goal, and an > Individualized Plan for Employment. They have to show how the > alternative they propose will get them to their goal, while the > resources the agency normally uses would not do so. > > Dave > > At 08:31 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote: >>Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can >>claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and that's >> it. >>Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn >>it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to >>use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, >>but because you absolutely have to. >> >> >>Jorge > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 03:35:23 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:35:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> Message-ID: I had the executive director write the letter of justification and when I got it, I read it, and it was the best letter I could've written. They're only sponsoring the in-state portion, so I have to get more money in order to pay for this thing in full. Beth On 4/24/10, David Andrews wrote: > Actually, someone trying for something out of the ordinary with rehab > should remember that they have an employment goal, and an > Individualized Plan for Employment. They have to show how the > alternative they propose will get them to their goal, while the > resources the agency normally uses would not do so. > > Dave > > At 08:31 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote: >>Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can >>claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and that's >> it. >>Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn >>it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to >>use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, >>but because you absolutely have to. >> >> >>Jorge > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 04:01:19 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:01:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100425040118.GR51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> I had the single room because the rooms were small, my equipment was large, and I was significantly older than the people who lived in the building with me. It didn't help me build strong social ties, but that may have been a function more of the age difference than the lack of a roommate. Most of my floor had individual rooms. My advice is to ask for it if you want or have need of one. I think we blind folks become far too concerned about what others think about us sometimes. Educate where you can, but do not force yourself to do one thing or another based on what someone else MIGHT think of you because of it. My experience is that people are going to think what they're going to think, and your best bet is to educate them when and where you can. Joseph On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:12:00PM -0400, Chelsea Cook wrote: >Hello NABSters, > > >I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >enticing idea; just want a second opinion. > >Thanks, >Chelsea >-- >"I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >been reached through >the stars." >Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 04:13:32 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:13:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100425041330.GS51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> Arielle, I just have a hard time imagining you needing a terribly large space to yourself. *grin* Of course, at my substantially larger size, a normal sized dorm room to me feels like living in a shoebox. Joseph On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 11:07:05AM -0600, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi Chelsea and all, > >Don't get me started on this--when I was in college all the blind >students were urged to get single rooms, for similar reasons as what >you described. We were also urged to get the special >wheelchair-accessible rooms at the end of the hall so we could have >more space and our own bathroom. I ended up doing the single, but >insisted on having a normal room in the middle of the hall so I >wouldn't be so isolated from everyone else (not to mention appear more >disabled than I really am to all my floormates). In hindsight I don't >think having the single was bad, but it certainly wasn't necessary, >and I do wonder if I would have been more socially active had I had a >typical room with a roommate. I also had Braille books, but they >generally fit on one or two shelves on a typical shelving unit. I >think it depends on what equipment you will actually be bringing. I >think most college students have a computer and printer in their dorm >room, so if you bring a laptop or netbook (which takes up very little >space), a scanner/printer/copier (same size as a printer and works >just as well for scanning), and a Braille Note/Pac Mate (also tiny), >you should be fine. Unless you anticipate getting entire books in >Braille all at once, I don't think the Brailled chapters will take up >much extra space (remember, sighted students have several print books >too). I got my Braille books chapter-by-chapter, so I never had the >whole book in my room at once. > >Finally, if you do decide to go the single room route, make sure >you're being assigned to a typical room on the same floor you would >normally. Residential life once tried to put me in a >wheelchair-accessible room on an all-guys' floor, which I suppose may >appeal to some women, but would have made social interaction very >awkward, to say the least. Use the communal bathrooms if your hall has >them and keep your door open and go to floor/dorm events if you want >to get to know your dormmates and be part of the group. > >Arielle > >On 4/24/10, Beth wrote: >> I wouldn't recommend a single room. I was put in one and in a remote >> location, so watch where you live dorm wise. It's hard for me to walk >> everywhere and mobility has been a huge concern, so I'm med dropping >> three of my classes. It's really hard on me because if I need >> something done and my computer freezes up, and I have Windows >> Vista/Pista (don't ask), I have to knock on someone's door and they >> usually help, but I've gotten people who aren't knowledgeable about >> PC's. So I have to be careful and I'd recommend a roommate until you >> figure things out. >> Beth >> >> On 4/24/10, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>> Hello NABSters, >>> >>> >>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chelsea >>> -- >>> "I ask you to look both ways. For the road to a knowledge of the >>> stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has >>> been reached through >>> the stars." >>> Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and >>> Atoms (1928), Lecture 1 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > >-- >Arielle Silverman >President, National Association of Blind Students >Phone: 602-502-2255 >Email: >nabs.president at gmail.com >Website: >www.nabslink.org > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 05:07:20 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 01:07:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice References: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> Message-ID: <9A3211BFE77E4AB4A81EA8DC373302EE@hometwxakonvzn> Yes, she's right, because she read the letter to me. I've atteched RSA's policy concerninginformed choice, and DBS's policy on the subject. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] informed choice >I had the executive director write the letter of justification and > when I got it, I read it, and it was the best letter I could've > written. They're only sponsoring the in-state portion, so I have to > get more money in order to pay for this thing in full. > Beth > > On 4/24/10, David Andrews wrote: >> Actually, someone trying for something out of the ordinary with rehab >> should remember that they have an employment goal, and an >> Individualized Plan for Employment. They have to show how the >> alternative they propose will get them to their goal, while the >> resources the agency normally uses would not do so. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:31 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote: >>>Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can >>>claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and >>>that's >>> it. >>>Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn >>>it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to >>>use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, >>>but because you absolutely have to. >>> >>> >>>Jorge >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you prefer a single room and your college wants to provide you with one, my advice is to take the single room. If you are a social person, you will not have any problems becoming involved. I have found more friends in college who accept me for who I am than in high school. Kolby From brileyp at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 14:10:08 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:10:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: <9A3211BFE77E4AB4A81EA8DC373302EE@hometwxakonvzn> References: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com> <9A3211BFE77E4AB4A81EA8DC373302EE@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <9D77D4AF-7854-45EA-A7CC-BBEA3E884467@gmail.com> Informed choice as I understand it states that if another out of state facility can provide services that the in state facility cannot, then the state in question is to pay full funding for the training. If you can outline the differences, they should pay for all of it. I'd appeal that decision, Beth. Briley On Apr 25, 2010, at 12:07 AM, RJ Sandefur wrote: > > Yes, she's right, because she read the letter to me. I've atteched RSA's policy concerninginformed choice, and DBS's policy on the subject. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:35 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] informed choice > > >> I had the executive director write the letter of justification and >> when I got it, I read it, and it was the best letter I could've >> written. They're only sponsoring the in-state portion, so I have to >> get more money in order to pay for this thing in full. >> Beth >> >> On 4/24/10, David Andrews wrote: >>> Actually, someone trying for something out of the ordinary with rehab >>> should remember that they have an employment goal, and an >>> Individualized Plan for Employment. They have to show how the >>> alternative they propose will get them to their goal, while the >>> resources the agency normally uses would not do so. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:31 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote: >>>> Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can >>>> claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and that's >>>> it. >>>> Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn >>>> it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to >>>> use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, >>>> but because you absolutely have to. >>>> >>>> >>>> Jorge >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 15:03:29 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:03:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tonight's Conference Call Message-ID: Hi! Tonight's call starts at 7 PM tonight right? COuld someone repost the number and access code to get in? Thanks. Also to everyone, keep an eye out for a special message concerning another way to hear the calls and to still hear what was said if you miss one. Details coming within the next few hours. >From David From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 15:42:25 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:42:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice Message-ID: <42CB3BB6-5086-4945-A84B-862BB2116A87@mac.com> >From what I understand, the state government gives the commission and other such agencies enough funds for programs, even if they are out of state, and, if you can justify it, I do believe that they are legally bound to pay the full sum, due to the fact that the government gives them enough money to do so. I suggest you talk with an attorney though, because it looks like the thing you have to figure out is if they are legally bound to pay full price. If they are, you can go ahead with your case, but if they're not than you're basically by yourself. Jorge From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 16:47:22 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:47:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice References: <42CB3BB6-5086-4945-A84B-862BB2116A87@mac.com> Message-ID: Beth, I suggest you post your question on the blind law list. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] informed choice > >From what I understand, the state government gives the commission and > >other such agencies enough funds for programs, even if they are out of > >state, and, if you can justify it, I do believe that they are legally > >bound to pay the full sum, due to the fact that the government gives them > >enough money to do so. > > I suggest you talk with an attorney though, because it looks like the > thing you have to figure out is if they are legally bound to pay full > price. If they are, you can go ahead with your case, but if they're not > than you're basically by yourself. > > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From mbrianwooten at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 17:43:54 2010 From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:43:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: <42CB3BB6-5086-4945-A84B-862BB2116A87@mac.com> References: <42CB3BB6-5086-4945-A84B-862BB2116A87@mac.com> Message-ID: I used informed choice to attend LCB. The State of Tennessee paid the full sum including my transportation to and from Louisiana. I did not have to write a justification letter. I just went in armed with the information that the State had to pay my way to a Center more appropriate. My argument for making this choice was to tell my counselor that the facility in Tennessee was wholely inadequate for my needs. I wanted to be taught how to live, not just get by. Sincerley, Brian Wooten On 4/25/10, Jorge Paez wrote: > >From what I understand, the state government gives the commission and other > such agencies enough funds for programs, even if they are out of state, and, > if you can justify it, I do believe that they are legally bound to pay the > full sum, due to the fact that the government gives them enough money to do > so. > > I suggest you talk with an attorney though, because it looks like the thing > you have to figure out is if they are legally bound to pay full price. If > they are, you can go ahead with your case, but if they're not than you're > basically by yourself. > > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com > -- M. Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615-680-9656 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 19:09:53 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:09:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice References: <42CB3BB6-5086-4945-A84B-862BB2116A87@mac.com> Message-ID: Here's RSA's statement on the matter! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Wooten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] informed choice >I used informed choice to attend LCB. The State of Tennessee paid the > full sum including my transportation to and from Louisiana. I did not > have to write a justification letter. I just went in armed with the > information that the State had to pay my way to a Center more > appropriate. My argument for making this choice was to tell my > counselor that the facility in Tennessee was wholely inadequate for my > needs. I wanted to be taught how to live, not just get by. > > Sincerley, > > Brian Wooten > > On 4/25/10, Jorge Paez wrote: >> >From what I understand, the state government gives the commission and >> >other >> such agencies enough funds for programs, even if they are out of state, >> and, >> if you can justify it, I do believe that they are legally bound to pay >> the >> full sum, due to the fact that the government gives them enough money to >> do >> so. >> >> I suggest you talk with an attorney though, because it looks like the >> thing >> you have to figure out is if they are legally bound to pay full price. If >> they are, you can go ahead with your case, but if they're not than you're >> basically by yourself. >> >> >> Jorge >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > M. Brian Wooten > Nashville, Tennessee > Phone: 615-680-9656 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Serena From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Apr 25 20:02:09 2010 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:02:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: References: <7A79DA5E-A501-4E09-BBC9-688DD41FF781@mac.com>, , Message-ID: I know that here in Michigan they will only provide out of state services if the cost does not exceed the amount of what it would cost to receive the services in the state of Michigan, or if the services cannot be provided in the state of Michigan. However, it costs less to attend an NFB training center when you compare the long-term costs to the Michigan training center, so I have never heard of anyone running into the problem of having to pay the difference between the two centers. In this case, I would suggest contacting Scott LaBarre or Fred Schroeder to help with this specific situation. Elizabeth > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:27:52 -0600 > From: nabs.president at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] informed choice > > Hi all, > > It sounds like Beth has already gone through this justification > process and received approval for funding to go to CCB. The problem is > that rehab is only agreeing to pay the in-state rate, which is less > than what CCB charges per month. The question is, Can rehab legally be > obligated to provide not just partial funding, but full funding, for > out-of-state training? I don't know the answer to that. > > Arielle > > On 4/24/10, David Andrews wrote: > > Actually, someone trying for something out of the ordinary with rehab > > should remember that they have an employment goal, and an > > Individualized Plan for Employment. They have to show how the > > alternative they propose will get them to their goal, while the > > resources the agency normally uses would not do so. > > > > Dave > > > > At 08:31 PM 4/24/2010, you wrote: > >>Focus more on the "daily use of skills" part, because any center can > >>claim they teach you braille. THey put you in there for an hour and that's > >> it. > >>Its not what you learn at LCB that sets it apart, its how you learn > >>it--the fact that its blind teaching the blind, and that you have to > >>use your skills on a daily bases, not because its required to pass, > >>but because you absolutely have to. > >> > >> > >>Jorge > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 20:20:16 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:20:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call Message-ID: <17806ADBDF994675886940C7DD182A0F@radio360usa> Hi All! Please send this on to anyone you think would want to know the following about tonight's call. As was mentioned when the announcement was made about tonight's conference call, you can also listen to it over the internet. At the start of the call, which is at 7 PM eastern, or at any time during it, go to http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/listenlive.html to access the stream. After the call completes, you'll be able to download a copy of it or access it as a podcast. This along with other calls and other audio presentations, including last year's Nabs meeting from national convention once I upload it, will be available to grab as well. We're just getting a few of the final technical details in order, but soon, the Nabslink audio center will be up and online. When that happens, I'll give you the link to add to your bookmarks/share with friends and family. Please feel free to email me at david.dunphy at nabslinkaudio.org with any questions. Thank you. >From David From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 20:25:26 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:25:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? In-Reply-To: <679A41D0C3754B5BB360296F82803104@Serene> References: <679A41D0C3754B5BB360296F82803104@Serene> Message-ID: As far as I know the most recent AIM version which is 6.9 works best with all JAWS versions. Hope this helps Justin On 4/25/10, Serena wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm tutoring a high school student about using Jaws. Among other things, > I'm gonna teach her AIM. She'll use my relatively old version when she's at > my house, but she has Jaws 11.0 on her computer at home. What version of > AIM is best with Jaws 11? She's good with computers, but I doubt she'll be > playing games on AIM or any other complicated stuff ... I'm guessing, she'll > just use it to chat with people. What are the special features of the > particular AIM version? > > Thanks, > Serena > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 20:44:28 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:44:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs Membership committee Conference call today. Message-ID: Greetings nabs listers! Just a reminder that today’s conference call regarding the discussion of National Federation of the Blind philosophy is scheduled to start at 7p.m. eastern time, 6 central, 5 mountain, 4 pacific and 1 Hawaiian. The Call in information is as follows: 712.775.7100 Pass code 257963 Thanks so much, and we look forward to your participation in what should be a very informative and lively discussion! The Nabs membership committee. -- Darian Smith Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com " Life is not about always making the right dicisions, it's about learning which dicisions are the right ones to make." From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 21:01:22 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:01:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? Message-ID: <4E0CCBB9-BC09-4E65-93BF-1032B819C2FE@mac.com> Well, from my experience, FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC often stays on top of the latest internet standards, so I don't think there would be anything wrong with the latest version. What you will have to keep in mine though, is that if AIM is anything close to Windows Live Messenger for Windows, she will get a lot of annoying pop-up adds which I haven't found any way to block, and a perhaps lengthy term of navigation to the buddylist, since AOL will try to offer her any number of games. However, once she gets to the buddy list and chat interphase, unless AOL has done something really badly, it should be simple and JAWS-friendly. Jorge From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 21:05:46 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:05:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice Message-ID: <2616397D-EE75-4665-8882-6F8724FC9A28@mac.com> That's certainly a good point, although you do have to keep in mind, it is not a "want to do" it is a "must do" for state agencies to supply the necessary funding by federal law, so really I don't see why they (the state agency) is making such a big deal out of something they KNOW they have to do by law. From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 21:47:35 2010 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:47:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? References: <679A41D0C3754B5BB360296F82803104@Serene> Message-ID: aim 7.2 works with jaws 11 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? > As far as I know the most recent AIM version which is 6.9 works best > with all JAWS versions. > Hope this helps > Justin > > On 4/25/10, Serena wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> I'm tutoring a high school student about using Jaws. Among other things, >> I'm gonna teach her AIM. She'll use my relatively old version when she's >> at >> my house, but she has Jaws 11.0 on her computer at home. What version of >> AIM is best with Jaws 11? She's good with computers, but I doubt she'll >> be >> playing games on AIM or any other complicated stuff ... I'm guessing, >> she'll >> just use it to chat with people. What are the special features of the >> particular AIM version? >> >> Thanks, >> Serena >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From fowlers at syix.com Sun Apr 25 22:16:16 2010 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:16:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Attend A NFB Center Message-ID: Hello everyone, Interested in or just curious about the three NFB training centers? Want to attend one of these excellent centers, but not sure how to secure funding? Then come join us tomorrow, April 25 at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, 5 PM Pacific time for the California Association of Blind Students April membership teleconference. To join the conference, dial 218-339-2500. When prompted, enter pass code 958093, followed by the pound sign. Confirm that you have entered the correct pass code and you will automatically be placed in the conference. This will be an informative and interactive conference. The participation of all who attend is welcome and encouraged. Do come with any questions you may have. sincerely, Angela Fowler (president) California Association of Blind Students From mbrianwooten at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 22:40:56 2010 From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:40:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] informed choice In-Reply-To: <2616397D-EE75-4665-8882-6F8724FC9A28@mac.com> References: <2616397D-EE75-4665-8882-6F8724FC9A28@mac.com> Message-ID: I agree with that. The federal guidelines for informed choice dictate that the State agencies not only have to provide the funding to other vendors, but also they have to give you all the options and centers available to you so that you can make an "informed Choice" There is a conference call tomorrow that may help. Here is hte info: Hello everyone, Interested in or just curious about the three NFB training centers? Want to attend one of these excellent centers, but not sure how to secure funding? Then come join us tomorrow, April 25 at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, 5 PM Pacific time for the California Association of Blind Students April membership teleconference. To join the conference, dial 218-339-2500. When prompted, enter pass code 958093, followed by the pound sign. Confirm that you have entered the correct pass code and you will automatically be placed in the conference. This will be an informative and interactive conference. The participation of all who attend is welcome and encouraged. Do come with any questions you may have. sincerely, Angela Fowler (president) California Association of Blind Students On 4/25/10, Jorge Paez wrote: > That's certainly a good point, although you do have to keep in mind, it is > not a "want to do" it is a "must do" for state agencies to supply the > necessary funding by federal law, so really I don't see why they (the state > agency) is making such a big deal out of something they KNOW they have to do > by law. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com > -- M. Brian Wooten Nashville, Tennessee Phone: 615-680-9656 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 22:59:29 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:59:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nfbf-l] Attend A NFB Center Message-ID: Read this guy's! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Fowler (by way of David Andrews)" To: Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:16 PM Subject: [Nfbf-l] Attend A NFB Center > > Hello everyone, > Interested in or just curious about the three NFB training centers? Want > to attend one of these excellent centers, but not sure how to secure > funding? Then come join us tomorrow, April 25 at 8:00 p.m. eastern time, 5 > PM Pacific time for the California Association of Blind Students April > membership teleconference. > > To join the conference, dial 218-339-2500. When prompted, enter pass code > 958093, followed by the pound sign. Confirm that you have entered the > correct pass code and you will automatically be placed in the conference. > > This will be an informative and interactive conference. The participation > of all who attend is welcome and encouraged. Do come with any questions > you may have. > sincerely, > Angela Fowler (president) > California Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbf-l mailing list > Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Nfbf-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From cowboy0210 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 23:15:28 2010 From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (Kevin Ledford) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:15:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call In-Reply-To: <17806ADBDF994675886940C7DD182A0F@radio360usa> References: <17806ADBDF994675886940C7DD182A0F@radio360usa> Message-ID: The number I have for the call (712) 757-7100 is just giving me a fast busy signal. On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:20 PM, David Dunphy wrote: > Hi All! > Please send this on to anyone you think would want to know the following > about tonight's call. > As was mentioned when the announcement was made about tonight's conference > call, you can also listen to it over the internet. At the start of the call, > which is at 7 PM eastern, or at any time during it, go to > http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/listenlive.html > to access the stream. > After the call completes, you'll be able to download a copy of it or access > it as a podcast. This along with other calls and other audio presentations, > including last year's Nabs meeting from national convention once I upload > it, will be available to grab as well. > We're just getting a few of the final technical details in order, but soon, > the Nabslink audio center will be up and online. When that happens, I'll > give you the link to add to your bookmarks/share with friends and family. > Please feel free to email me at > david.dunphy at nabslinkaudio.org > with any questions. > Thank you. > >From David > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cowboy0210%40gmail.com > -- Best Regards, Kevin D. Ledford "Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do." - John Wooden From jorgeapaez at mac.com Sun Apr 25 23:22:52 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:22:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with stream Message-ID: Hello. I'm trying to listen to the online-stream of today's meeting but I don't hear anything. I'm using the latest version of Safari on the Mac. Does that have any problem with the stream that you know of? Let me know what I can do. Thanks. Jorge From cowboy0210 at gmail.com Sun Apr 25 23:27:42 2010 From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (Kevin Ledford) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:27:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Correct Phone # for Conference Call Message-ID: (712) 775-7100 -- Best Regards, Kevin D. Ledford "Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do." - John Wooden From jorgeapaez at mac.com Mon Apr 26 00:02:23 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:02:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] streaming problem Message-ID: <40B0455A-665B-4A1A-9D05-4C69197966C7@mac.com> Hey guys, Just writing to let you know I was able to fix this problem by reloading the page. Strange, but it worked. From hope.paulos at maine.edu Mon Apr 26 00:08:29 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:08:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call References: <17806ADBDF994675886940C7DD182A0F@radio360usa> Message-ID: This is awesome, David! Kudos to those of you who put it together. So wonderful to have everything put in one place. Often I'm not able to attend the conference calls due to other commitments. Now I'll be able to gain information! Thanks again~! Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call > Hi All! > Please send this on to anyone you think would want to know the following > about tonight's call. > As was mentioned when the announcement was made about tonight's conference > call, you can also listen to it over the internet. At the start of the > call, which is at 7 PM eastern, or at any time during it, go to > http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/listenlive.html > to access the stream. > After the call completes, you'll be able to download a copy of it or > access it as a podcast. This along with other calls and other audio > presentations, including last year's Nabs meeting from national convention > once I upload it, will be available to grab as well. > We're just getting a few of the final technical details in order, but > soon, the Nabslink audio center will be up and online. When that happens, > I'll give you the link to add to your bookmarks/share with friends and > family. > Please feel free to email me at > david.dunphy at nabslinkaudio.org > with any questions. > Thank you. >>From David > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From snowball07 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 00:23:51 2010 From: snowball07 at gmail.com (Janice) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:23:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Membership Committee Philosophy call apologies Message-ID: <08912DD8053B47AFBD552C2F7FE7CD23@your0d10610b06> Hello Nabsters, I just wanted to send out my apologies about the previous message/ string in regards to the membership committee conference call, originally schedule for today. I had some dyslexic tendencies and miss typed the contact information for the call. Let that be a reminder to all to be fully awake when rereading emails~ smile. I am very sorry for any inconvenience and problems caused by the miscommunication. The philosophy call has been rescheduled as a result, to hopefully provide all members interested, the chance to call in. WHAT- Federation Philosophy conference call WHEN- Sunday, May 9, tentatively scheduled 8 pm. EST. WHERE- 712.775.7100 CODE 257963#. --I Promise this is correct this time...*sheepish look* Thank you all for your understanding and flexibility. I just wanted to offer my sincerest apologies again. Hope to see you all on the call on May 9, Kindest Regards, Janice Jeang Co-Chair Membership committee Secretary National Association of Blind Students From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 01:03:17 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 18:03:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: <021001cae471$b4ed5310$1ec7f930$@rr.com> References: <021001cae471$b4ed5310$1ec7f930$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20100426010317.GA51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> That I would consider different. If your college does not generally permit a single room, I would not take it without genuine good reason for having it. I didn't really have that, but it's pretty common in the schools I actually considered, to be able to request a single room if you were willing to pay for it. I was willing, so I requested it. Joseph On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 08:20:34AM -0400, Kolby Garrison wrote: >For me personally, I prefer a single room. My college requires that you >provide extensive documentation to request a single room. My freshmen year I >was supposed to have a Guide Dog, but unforeseen circumstances changed that >and I used a cane. I received Sunny in June 2008, and I have had a single >room ever since I came to college. I have not ever had any difficulties >being involved with residence hall life, extra curricular activities on >campus, ETC. If you prefer a single room and your college wants to provide >you with one, my advice is to take the single room. If you are a social >person, you will not have any problems becoming involved. I have found more >friends in college who accept me for who I am than in high school. >Kolby > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Mon Apr 26 01:32:43 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:32:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Living by NFB's Philosophy questions Message-ID: <20100426013243.13875.69859@web1> Gerardo, I use a rather simple mental tool to figure out whether or not I should do something. I ask myself "Is this something a sighted person would be expected to do?" If the answer is yes, then I do. If the answer is no, then I make up my own mind. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi listers: this week something happened I'd like to share which brings me > to some questions about trying to live via NFB's philosophy. > this week I had an appointment and unfortunately because of circumstances > hard to explain depend on my parents to take me to places but an working on > getting a driver hired to whom I can contact when wanting to go places. Is > this what it means when you guys talk about drivers? > Anyway the weather outside was terrible! raining very hard thus my parents > asked my oppinion on if I should cancel which when my parents told me that > it was black outside and the weather didn't want to seem to clear I accepted > but have had a nagging feeling that I should have done something more but > can't put my finger on what! if I would have had a driver would I still have > had to cancel? If I would have lived by NFB philosophy would I have reacted > being stubborn and went anyway? because making things worse two hours later > the weather began to clear! and I felt very (I don't know the word) > impotence? I mean that lately when things happen and I may have a way to > solve them I feel desperate like I want to do it but am afraid to go forth! > I have lots of plans and ideas which I've kept to myself in all the things I > can do but haven't had a chance to try! Is this the right path in getting to > live via NFB Philosophy? Would I have resolved the situation better had I > had the tools such as informed choice and other concepts I've learned in > reading the Braille Monitor and on the list? > Gerardo > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Mon Apr 26 01:42:39 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:42:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] About Structured discovery in every day life Message-ID: <20100426014239.15053.48862@web2> Jewel, I really liked your story and found it interesting for a few reasons. First, I liked how methodical you were in getting the information you needed and putting it to use. I liked how you listed your alternative techniques ranging from using the internet and translating pdf documents to having the driver call your stop, from writing down the times to getting directions to the mall's front door. I have a feeling there's some bureaucratic reason why your teacher couldn't take you on an O and M bus trip, but he still found a way around this problem by giving you just enough tools and information to complete the trip on your own time. This is the mark of a progressive cane travel instructor who believes in the capabilities of his students. I will no doubt use this strategy when I start teaching in potentially bureaucracy-laiden agencies. Finally, your story about bug collecting is interesting and exactly what any science teacher would do. Well done. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > I'll shar an example of structured discovery that I experienced, and > one I used as a nanny. > At the rehab center, my O&M instructor was very enthusiastic about my > sense of self-dependence. So, he liked to give me tasks over the > weekend to show him my learning on Monday. One Friday, he gave me the > tasks of finding out how to get from my apartment to the mall. This > was no simple task for me, because I had very little experience with > the bus system. I knew how to get to the bus...schedule a Paratransit > trip to drop you off at the curb! But he said no more "cheating" (he > used this term because I had used it to describe why I wanted to learn > how to use the buses, that I felt Paratransit was a kind of cheating > as far as O&M goes). So, I was like...where to start? He gave me a few > links, and sent me on my way for the weekend. The first link was the > webpage for Crabtree Valley Mall. This gave me the address, and it > even mentioned where the bus stop was (outside Belk's) and what buses > go there (quite a few, but I concentrated on the #16, which was a > direct route to the mall). The second link was the webpage of the CAT > bus system. There, I searched until I found the #16 route, and then > had to translate the PDF file (a lesson all it's own). I finally found > the time and name of the stop. Then I had to get to Moore Square for > the transfer, so I had to use a past lesson wher he taught me how to > get to the bus stop closest to my apartment, two blocks away. It was > the #12, and in Moore Square, it went to the blue zone (Moore Square > has zones, coloured red, blue, green, yellow, and purple). The #16 > left from the blue zone, so I was lucky and didn't have to recall the > crazy layout of Moore Square. So, I went back to the CAT bus page, > found the route PDF file for the #12, and figured out the time it got > to my stop, and when it got to the transfer point. I wrote these all > down. On Saturday, I took the #12 to Moore Square, transferred to the > #16, and asked the driver to let me know when we got to the mall stop. > He did, and I got off. I asked another shopper where the front door to > Belk's was, and went in. After navigating the mall a bit, I stopped in > at a chocolate store, grabbed a chocolate bar for myself and a few > chocolates for my teacher, and headed home. On Monday, he asked me how > it went, and I handed him the candy and said "Great; want me to show > you my new favourite chocolate shop there?" So, we did a kinda > test-run (he wasn't allowed to take me on the bus, but he could do the > parts before and after the bus, so he took me to the #12 bus stop, > went over the times I chose, then brought me by car to the mall and we > went from the bus stop to my new favourite shop. It was a great > experience, and I got a prize out of it...he bought me some great > chocolate sticks! That is what I consider structured discovery...give > the student the means to learn something, and then step back and let > them figure it out for themselves. > As a professional nanny, I often used this design of teaching, as it > helps children learn to be independent. They must learn not to rely on > adults for every word of learning and every activity they participate > in. For example, I planned a bug hunt activity one afternoon. I > printed sheets that showed pictures of three common bugs > (grasshoppers, roly-polys, and earthworms) and explained to the > children (ages 4 and 6) where to find the bugs and how to collect them > into the three jars provided. Then, I sent them out into the back yard > and supervised this bug hunt. They both had a rather nice collection > of grasshoppers in a wire-topped container with grass and dirt, roly > polys in a jar with holes at the top and containing dirt and a few > rocks, and earthworms in a larger plastic jar with lots of dirt and a > few shriveled leaves and some grass blades. At the end, we went over > the three types of bugs we had discovered in the back yard, and > discussed why each bug was put in the container it was put in, and > what sort of environment each bug needs. I asked them where they found > their bugs (roly polys and earthworms were usually under rocks, while > the grasshoppers were of course hopping around in the grass). And then > we read a book about earthworms and how they create soil. I taught > them, but they also taught themselves. The tools were provided to them > to get as much out of the experience as they could, and we discussed > it afterwards and they knew a great deal about each bug after. > Hope that wasn't too boring, > Jewel > On 4/24/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Hi guys: I was reading up on the Structured Discovery method and as I >> understand it it's a combination of guidance and doing things yourself. I >> got to thinking that not necessarily O&M is the only place where one can use >> it because though we don't or might not know, we tend to use it in every day >> life! for instance on the PC suppose a friend teaches us the basics use of >> Qwitter, Jaws or whatever software and hardware. Knowing the basics I can >> then take it from there and learn more advanced things myself. is this kind >> of how the structured discovery method works? I don't know why but it sounds >> very interesting, thus my question to you guys and hoping that it might >> serve for those also new in all these topics! Definitely lots of things to >> take in! >> Gerardo >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 02:36:20 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:36:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call References: <17806ADBDF994675886940C7DD182A0F@radio360usa> Message-ID: <0561A19FACCB420B8992584EB40FC637@hometwxakonvzn> What about the conference call tomorrow? Will it be recorded? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 8:08 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call > This is awesome, David! Kudos to those of you who put it together. So > wonderful to have everything put in one place. Often I'm not able to > attend the conference calls due to other commitments. Now I'll be able to > gain information! > Thanks again~! > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Dunphy" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:20 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Important Info About Tonight's Nabs Conference Call > > >> Hi All! >> Please send this on to anyone you think would want to know the following >> about tonight's call. >> As was mentioned when the announcement was made about tonight's >> conference call, you can also listen to it over the internet. At the >> start of the call, which is at 7 PM eastern, or at any time during it, go >> to >> http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/listenlive.html >> to access the stream. >> After the call completes, you'll be able to download a copy of it or >> access it as a podcast. This along with other calls and other audio >> presentations, including last year's Nabs meeting from national >> convention once I upload it, will be available to grab as well. >> We're just getting a few of the final technical details in order, but >> soon, the Nabslink audio center will be up and online. When that happens, >> I'll give you the link to add to your bookmarks/share with friends and >> family. >> Please feel free to email me at >> david.dunphy at nabslinkaudio.org >> with any questions. >> Thank you. >>>From David >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 02:55:25 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:55:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: <20100426010317.GA51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <021001cae471$b4ed5310$1ec7f930$@rr.com> <20100426010317.GA51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I agree with Joseph. If the university offers single rooms as a matter of course, and that's your preference, I don't see anything wrong with taking it. The story changes a bit if students are generally placed in doubles (as it was at my school) except as a disability accommodation. Then it becomes a question of whether it's really necessary as a disability accommodation. Arielle On 4/25/10, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > That I would consider different. If your college does not generally > permit a single room, I would not take it without genuine good reason > for having it. I didn't really have that, but it's pretty common in > the schools I actually considered, to be able to request a single > room if you were willing to pay for it. > > I was willing, so I requested it. > > Joseph > > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 08:20:34AM -0400, Kolby Garrison wrote: >>For me personally, I prefer a single room. My college requires that you >>provide extensive documentation to request a single room. My freshmen year >> I >>was supposed to have a Guide Dog, but unforeseen circumstances changed that >>and I used a cane. I received Sunny in June 2008, and I have had a single >>room ever since I came to college. I have not ever had any difficulties >>being involved with residence hall life, extra curricular activities on >>campus, ETC. If you prefer a single room and your college wants to provide >>you with one, my advice is to take the single room. If you are a social >>person, you will not have any problems becoming involved. I have found more >>friends in college who accept me for who I am than in high school. >>Kolby >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 03:42:23 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:42:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: References: <1456802419.19156611272065860903.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi All!! First, thank you so much for all the great responses and offers of help! You have no idea how they have encouraged me! I think i am going to go whether there are other blind people on my flight or not! I sort of had a revelation the other day. What is the worst that can happen? The worst thing is that I may get lost in an airport, or may be standing outside waiting for a shuttle. Really...like all of you said there isn't much to be scared of! So, I think I'm definitely going to go!! I'm so excited! For where I live in W.VA Pittsburgh is in fact the closest airport. It is only about an hour away, and even though I'd love to fly out of Baltimore or Philly where there seems to be more people going it would be a lot more convienent for me and whoever drives me to just go from Pittsburgh. However, I want to thank all of you for your offers to meet up and such...hopefully I'll get to meet up with all of you at convention...but the most convient thing would be for me to fly out of Pittsburgh. I do have a couple of more questions though. I have begun looking at flights. I found a nonstop one for $379 and that's round-trip. For a round-trip nonstop to Dallas is this a reasonable price? Should I go ahead and book sooner rather than later or is it better to wait for better deals? Also, as I said in my initial email I have a roomate lined up and the hotel said there were rooms available though they did not go into specifics. My friend and I did the math and we figured for the total stay it'd cost about $186 each for a double, and $132 for a tripple. It would be cheaper to do a tripple but then we'd have to find another roomate. What is the best way of finding another roomate? Or, should we just do a double? It'd certainly be simpler to do that but... What are your experiences and how do most of you handle this? That's all the questions for now! Again, thanks so much to everybody, hope to meet you all!! Kerri On 4/23/10, Brian Wooten wrote: > Kerri, > > I would like to echo Dominique's comments on Convention attendance. I > was fortunate enough to have gone to the Louisiana Training Center and > attend last years Convention while I was a student there. > > By all means, go. Do not wait for training. As I have read in this > email thread, there are lots of people willing to assist in any way > they can. This is a manifestation of the power we have in the > community of the NFB. > > Most Respectfully, > > Brian Wooten > Nashville Tennessee > > > On 4/23/10, Amy Sabo wrote: >> hello all, >> >> i too want to put in my two cents worth on this topic since i travel a lot >> for nfb conventions, going back and forth to michigan and colorado, and >> also >> other events in my life while traveling in airports. >> >> i too use assistance if it's necessary like if i have to go from one side >> of >> the airport to the other side. but, most of the time i just ask people >> where >> things are and, i just follow them they are going in that direction. >> >> i'm very comfortable traveling independtally and, i hope the same is for >> others too. take care all and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> from amy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Sent: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:28:33 +0000 (UTC) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions >> >> Hi Kerri, >> >> When I went to my first NFB convention by myself as a scholarship >> winner when I was 18, I was similarly terrified about the process of >> flying alone and getting to my destination. I had only flown >> independently one other time, to visit my aunt and uncle who met up >> with me right at the gate (before 9/11) and I also had little training >> or confidence traveling in unfamiliar places. Though I was scared >> initially, I will say the experience ended up being not only not >> scary, but also one of the best things I did for my future confidence >> and development, as it's clear you're hoping for as well. >> >> There are tons of helpful people in airports, both staff and >> passengers, and really it's impossible to get too lost without running >> into someone who is more than happy to offer assistance. When you get >> on your first flight, you can simply mention to the flight attendant >> that you would like someone to meet you at your connection and escort >> you to your connecting gate. When the plane lands, simply follow the >> other passengers up the jetway and someone should be waiting at the >> top, or if not, simply wait at the information desk just outside the >> jetway. You can make the same request for a "meet-and-assist" when you >> get on your second flight. This is a service airlines provide all the >> time and not an inconvenience (in fact, often airlines want to provide >> assistance even when we don't ask for it). The person who meets you at >> the Dallas gate can walk with you to baggage, help you find your bag >> and help you find a taxi or shuttle to get to the hotel. I would >> recommend putting a brightly colored ribbon or other easy visual >> identification on your bag, and also know what it feels like. You can >> simply tell the person assisting you what your bag looks like, and >> also stand next to the carousel and touch the bags as they go by to >> find yours. >> >> I don't remember if the Dallas hotel has a shuttle, but taxi service >> will definitely be available. In either case, the vehicle you want >> will be just outside the baggage area. Again, the airline employee who >> is assisting you can help you find an open taxi or a particular >> shuttle. Then simply tell the driver that you want to go to the Hilton >> Anatole. At this point, even if you flew alone, you may bump into >> other blind people attending the convention, with whom you can share a >> cab. >> >> I usually try to offer a dollar or two to airline employees who are >> helping me, although they don't always accept it. They are being paid >> for their work, similar to clerks who help us in the grocery store, >> but an additional tip is still nice. >> >> Seven years after my frightening trip to Louisville for the NFB >> convention, I now fly by myself every 1-3 months to visit family or to >> attend various NFB activities, and I don't give it a second thought. >> Airports can feel intimidating with their size, but really I think the >> airport is one of the safest places to navigate and there are so many >> people around to offer information or assistance that it's really very >> difficult to get seriously lost. All it takes is a few practice runs, >> whether with or without assistance, to get the hang of it. >> >> I sincerely hope that you will go ahead and make plans to attend our >> national NFB convention. I am confident that you will be fine if you >> make the trip by yourself. However, if you still want to try to >> connect with other Federationists in your area, you might try >> contacting Fred Schroeder in Virginia to see if anyone from the VA >> affiliate is flying out of Pittsburgh. If Baltimore isn't terribly >> far, you might consider trying to go with them. Since the National >> Center is based there, there will be a large, lively contingent going >> from Baltimore, many of whom are experts at airport travel and who >> also enjoy mentoring and interacting with new students. You might also >> see if you can hook up with some of us during your layover. Finally, >> you may be able to get a direct flight. >> >> In my experience, while training from an NFB center is great, you can >> learn and grow so much by, as you say, just going out and doing things >> and taking advantage of opportunities. So I definitely think you have >> a lot to gain and nothing to lose by coming to convention this year. >> >> Please keep us posted, and I look forward to meeting you at convention! >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/22/10, Doug Oliver wrote: >>> catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am >>> gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerri Kosten" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions >>> >>> >>>> Hi All: >>>> >>>> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >>>> >>>> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >>>> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >>>> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >>>> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >>>> >>>> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >>>> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >>>> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >>>> convention or not really soon. >>>> >>>> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >>>> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >>>> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >>>> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >>>> >>>> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >>>> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >>>> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >>>> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >>>> handled it for me. >>>> >>>> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >>>> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >>>> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >>>> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >>>> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >>>> >>>> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >>>> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >>>> and such. >>>> >>>> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >>>> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >>>> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >>>> >>>> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >>>> >>>> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >>>> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >>>> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >>>> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >>>> >>>> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >>>> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >>>> >>>> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >>>> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >>>> >>>> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for >>>> it? >>>> >>>> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >>>> >>>> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >>>> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >>>> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >>>> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >>>> so I'm not completely on my own. >>>> >>>> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >>>> Pittsburgh. >>>> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >>>> >>>> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >>>> >>>> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >>>> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >>>> >>>> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >>>> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >>>> but there was no responses. >>>> >>>> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >>>> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >>>> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >>>> Virginia. >>>> >>>> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >>>> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >>>> what I get. >>>> >>>> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >>>> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >>>> >>>> >>>> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >>>> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >>>> I have to decide soon. >>>> >>>> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >>>> >>>> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >>>> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >>>> confidence and travel skills. >>>> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >>>> >>>> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >>>> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > M. Brian Wooten > Nashville, Tennessee > Phone: 615-680-9656 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 03:43:27 2010 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:43:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: <021001cae471$b4ed5310$1ec7f930$@rr.com> <20100426010317.GA51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20100426034327.GB51396@yumi.bluecherry.net> If it is only done as a disability accommodation, it becomes much like the use of paratransit, or any other accommodation for that matter. Blindness does not automatically mean that it is needed. The responsibility becomes ours to determine if we actually do or don't need it, and to act accordingly based on actual needs. In that respect, we do have a responsibility to decline what we actually do not need, even if only we will know if we are not doing that when we should. Joseph On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 08:55:25PM -0600, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi all, > >I agree with Joseph. If the university offers single rooms as a matter >of course, and that's your preference, I don't see anything wrong with >taking it. The story changes a bit if students are generally placed in >doubles (as it was at my school) except as a disability accommodation. >Then it becomes a question of whether it's really necessary as a >disability accommodation. > >Arielle > >On 4/25/10, T. Joseph Carter wrote: >> That I would consider different. If your college does not generally >> permit a single room, I would not take it without genuine good reason >> for having it. I didn't really have that, but it's pretty common in >> the schools I actually considered, to be able to request a single >> room if you were willing to pay for it. >> >> I was willing, so I requested it. >> >> Joseph >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 08:20:34AM -0400, Kolby Garrison wrote: >>>For me personally, I prefer a single room. My college requires that you >>>provide extensive documentation to request a single room. My freshmen year >>> I >>>was supposed to have a Guide Dog, but unforeseen circumstances changed that >>>and I used a cane. I received Sunny in June 2008, and I have had a single >>>room ever since I came to college. I have not ever had any difficulties >>>being involved with residence hall life, extra curricular activities on >>>campus, ETC. If you prefer a single room and your college wants to provide >>>you with one, my advice is to take the single room. If you are a social >>>person, you will not have any problems becoming involved. I have found more >>>friends in college who accept me for who I am than in high school. >>>Kolby >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > >-- >Arielle Silverman >President, National Association of Blind Students >Phone: 602-502-2255 >Email: >nabs.president at gmail.com >Website: >www.nabslink.org > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 04:19:06 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:19:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: References: <1456802419.19156611272065860903.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Kerri, I'm thrilled that you've decided to come join us at convention! I'm not sure about the rate from Pittsburgh to Dallas, but I would book it now--in my experience prices tend to go up over time. You might try a price comparison site like www.travelocity.com to find the cheapest fare, if you haven't done that already. Also, Southwest Airlines is good (they don't use Travelocity, so you need to go to their website directly at www.iflyswa.com to check out their rates). Go ahead and book a double room with your friend now, while rooms are still available. Be sure to tell them you're with the NFB and be aware that whoever books the room will need to put down a deposit of I think $60. That's just one night's stay, so when you check out your first night will already be paid for. You can always add people to your room/switch to a triple later. In June there will be people looking for a convention room who don't have their own rooms booked, so if you want to add a roommate, you can advertise on the NABS list and also ask your state/chapter president for suggestions. I personally think it's fun to have a full room at convention and I've taken in strangers as roommates in the past--and never had a problem. But, if you'd prefer to stay just the two of you, it sounds like that's still manageable cost-wise. Arielle On 4/25/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi All!! > > First, thank you so much for all the great responses and offers of help! > You have no idea how they have encouraged me! > > I think i am going to go whether there are other blind people on my > flight or not! > > I sort of had a revelation the other day. What is the worst that can > happen? The worst thing is that I may get lost in an airport, or may > be standing outside waiting for a shuttle. Really...like all of you > said there isn't much to be scared of! > > So, I think I'm definitely going to go!! > I'm so excited! > > For where I live in W.VA Pittsburgh is in fact the closest airport. It > is only about an hour away, and even though I'd love to fly out of > Baltimore or Philly where there seems to be more people going it would > be a lot more convienent for me and whoever drives me to just go from > Pittsburgh. However, I want to thank all of you for your offers to > meet up and such...hopefully I'll get to meet up with all of you at > convention...but the most convient thing would be for me to fly out of > Pittsburgh. > > I do have a couple of more questions though. > > I have begun looking at flights. I found a nonstop one for $379 and > that's round-trip. For a round-trip nonstop to Dallas is this a > reasonable price? Should I go ahead and book sooner rather than later > or is it better to wait for better deals? > > Also, as I said in my initial email I have a roomate lined up and the > hotel said there were rooms available though they did not go into > specifics. My friend and I did the math and we figured for the total > stay it'd cost about $186 each for a double, and $132 for a tripple. > It would be cheaper to do a tripple but then we'd have to find another > roomate. > > What is the best way of finding another roomate? > Or, should we just do a double? It'd certainly be simpler to do that but... > What are your experiences and how do most of you handle this? > > That's all the questions for now! > > Again, thanks so much to everybody, hope to meet you all!! > > Kerri > > On 4/23/10, Brian Wooten wrote: >> Kerri, >> >> I would like to echo Dominique's comments on Convention attendance. I >> was fortunate enough to have gone to the Louisiana Training Center and >> attend last years Convention while I was a student there. >> >> By all means, go. Do not wait for training. As I have read in this >> email thread, there are lots of people willing to assist in any way >> they can. This is a manifestation of the power we have in the >> community of the NFB. >> >> Most Respectfully, >> >> Brian Wooten >> Nashville Tennessee >> >> >> On 4/23/10, Amy Sabo wrote: >>> hello all, >>> >>> i too want to put in my two cents worth on this topic since i travel a >>> lot >>> for nfb conventions, going back and forth to michigan and colorado, and >>> also >>> other events in my life while traveling in airports. >>> >>> i too use assistance if it's necessary like if i have to go from one side >>> of >>> the airport to the other side. but, most of the time i just ask people >>> where >>> things are and, i just follow them they are going in that direction. >>> >>> i'm very comfortable traveling independtally and, i hope the same is for >>> others too. take care all and, i will talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> hugs, >>> from amy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Sent: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:28:33 +0000 (UTC) >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions >>> >>> Hi Kerri, >>> >>> When I went to my first NFB convention by myself as a scholarship >>> winner when I was 18, I was similarly terrified about the process of >>> flying alone and getting to my destination. I had only flown >>> independently one other time, to visit my aunt and uncle who met up >>> with me right at the gate (before 9/11) and I also had little training >>> or confidence traveling in unfamiliar places. Though I was scared >>> initially, I will say the experience ended up being not only not >>> scary, but also one of the best things I did for my future confidence >>> and development, as it's clear you're hoping for as well. >>> >>> There are tons of helpful people in airports, both staff and >>> passengers, and really it's impossible to get too lost without running >>> into someone who is more than happy to offer assistance. When you get >>> on your first flight, you can simply mention to the flight attendant >>> that you would like someone to meet you at your connection and escort >>> you to your connecting gate. When the plane lands, simply follow the >>> other passengers up the jetway and someone should be waiting at the >>> top, or if not, simply wait at the information desk just outside the >>> jetway. You can make the same request for a "meet-and-assist" when you >>> get on your second flight. This is a service airlines provide all the >>> time and not an inconvenience (in fact, often airlines want to provide >>> assistance even when we don't ask for it). The person who meets you at >>> the Dallas gate can walk with you to baggage, help you find your bag >>> and help you find a taxi or shuttle to get to the hotel. I would >>> recommend putting a brightly colored ribbon or other easy visual >>> identification on your bag, and also know what it feels like. You can >>> simply tell the person assisting you what your bag looks like, and >>> also stand next to the carousel and touch the bags as they go by to >>> find yours. >>> >>> I don't remember if the Dallas hotel has a shuttle, but taxi service >>> will definitely be available. In either case, the vehicle you want >>> will be just outside the baggage area. Again, the airline employee who >>> is assisting you can help you find an open taxi or a particular >>> shuttle. Then simply tell the driver that you want to go to the Hilton >>> Anatole. At this point, even if you flew alone, you may bump into >>> other blind people attending the convention, with whom you can share a >>> cab. >>> >>> I usually try to offer a dollar or two to airline employees who are >>> helping me, although they don't always accept it. They are being paid >>> for their work, similar to clerks who help us in the grocery store, >>> but an additional tip is still nice. >>> >>> Seven years after my frightening trip to Louisville for the NFB >>> convention, I now fly by myself every 1-3 months to visit family or to >>> attend various NFB activities, and I don't give it a second thought. >>> Airports can feel intimidating with their size, but really I think the >>> airport is one of the safest places to navigate and there are so many >>> people around to offer information or assistance that it's really very >>> difficult to get seriously lost. All it takes is a few practice runs, >>> whether with or without assistance, to get the hang of it. >>> >>> I sincerely hope that you will go ahead and make plans to attend our >>> national NFB convention. I am confident that you will be fine if you >>> make the trip by yourself. However, if you still want to try to >>> connect with other Federationists in your area, you might try >>> contacting Fred Schroeder in Virginia to see if anyone from the VA >>> affiliate is flying out of Pittsburgh. If Baltimore isn't terribly >>> far, you might consider trying to go with them. Since the National >>> Center is based there, there will be a large, lively contingent going >>> from Baltimore, many of whom are experts at airport travel and who >>> also enjoy mentoring and interacting with new students. You might also >>> see if you can hook up with some of us during your layover. Finally, >>> you may be able to get a direct flight. >>> >>> In my experience, while training from an NFB center is great, you can >>> learn and grow so much by, as you say, just going out and doing things >>> and taking advantage of opportunities. So I definitely think you have >>> a lot to gain and nothing to lose by coming to convention this year. >>> >>> Please keep us posted, and I look forward to meeting you at convention! >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 4/22/10, Doug Oliver wrote: >>>> catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, as I am >>>> gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kerri Kosten" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All: >>>>> >>>>> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >>>>> >>>>> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in Dallas. >>>>> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they told >>>>> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >>>>> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship deadline. >>>>> >>>>> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high school. I >>>>> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >>>>> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >>>>> convention or not really soon. >>>>> >>>>> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly at >>>>> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided me >>>>> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would bring it >>>>> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper technique. >>>>> >>>>> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do not >>>>> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always with my >>>>> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the process or >>>>> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >>>>> handled it for me. >>>>> >>>>> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about flying >>>>> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to the >>>>> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the hotel? >>>>> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >>>>> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >>>>> >>>>> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in Pittsburgh >>>>> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating area >>>>> and such. >>>>> >>>>> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, and >>>>> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage claim, >>>>> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >>>>> >>>>> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >>>>> >>>>> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell me >>>>> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of the >>>>> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually right >>>>> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >>>>> >>>>> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I need >>>>> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >>>>> >>>>> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already or >>>>> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the shuttle? >>>>> >>>>> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and ask for >>>>> it? >>>>> >>>>> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me assistance. >>>>> >>>>> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >>>>> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all of >>>>> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but someone >>>>> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport as me >>>>> so I'm not completely on my own. >>>>> >>>>> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out of >>>>> Pittsburgh. >>>>> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >>>>> >>>>> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >>>>> >>>>> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives in a >>>>> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of Baltimore. >>>>> >>>>> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to the >>>>> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of Pittsburgh >>>>> but there was no responses. >>>>> >>>>> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from Harrisburg >>>>> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore or >>>>> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >>>>> Virginia. >>>>> >>>>> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president but I >>>>> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and see >>>>> what I get. >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone know of >>>>> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done anything >>>>> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I know >>>>> I have to decide soon. >>>>> >>>>> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more training? >>>>> >>>>> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already miss >>>>> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not having the >>>>> confidence and travel skills. >>>>> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >>>>> >>>>> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much better if >>>>> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >>>>> >>>>> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >>>>> >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> M. Brian Wooten >> Nashville, Tennessee >> Phone: 615-680-9656 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From missheather at comcast.net Mon Apr 26 04:29:37 2010 From: missheather at comcast.net (H. Field) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 23:29:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions References: <1456802419.19156611272065860903.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Kerry, Take the double room and book it as soon as possible. Monday morning. The longer you wait the less desirable room you'll get. You may even miss out if you wait too long. You will have enough new things to deal with on your first convention. Better to only have one room mate this time to make the rooming part simple. You can have extra room mates next year. That's my advice as someone who has done all the room options. I've done Everything from having my own single room, to sharing with three other girls, which meant we shared the beds. A bad rooming experience can ruin your convention. Start offsimple. Build up to a great group room sharing experience. Regards, Heather Field ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions Hi All!! First, thank you so much for all the great responses and offers of help! You have no idea how they have encouraged me! I think i am going to go whether there are other blind people on my flight or not! I sort of had a revelation the other day. What is the worst that can happen? The worst thing is that I may get lost in an airport, or may be standing outside waiting for a shuttle. Really...like all of you said there isn't much to be scared of! So, I think I'm definitely going to go!! I'm so excited! For where I live in W.VA Pittsburgh is in fact the closest airport. It is only about an hour away, and even though I'd love to fly out of Baltimore or Philly where there seems to be more people going it would be a lot more convienent for me and whoever drives me to just go from Pittsburgh. However, I want to thank all of you for your offers to meet up and such...hopefully I'll get to meet up with all of you at convention...but the most convient thing would be for me to fly out of Pittsburgh. I do have a couple of more questions though. I have begun looking at flights. I found a nonstop one for $379 and that's round-trip. For a round-trip nonstop to Dallas is this a reasonable price? Should I go ahead and book sooner rather than later or is it better to wait for better deals? Also, as I said in my initial email I have a roomate lined up and the hotel said there were rooms available though they did not go into specifics. My friend and I did the math and we figured for the total stay it'd cost about $186 each for a double, and $132 for a tripple. It would be cheaper to do a tripple but then we'd have to find another roomate. What is the best way of finding another roomate? Or, should we just do a double? It'd certainly be simpler to do that but... What are your experiences and how do most of you handle this? That's all the questions for now! Again, thanks so much to everybody, hope to meet you all!! Kerri On 4/23/10, Brian Wooten wrote: > Kerri, > > I would like to echo Dominique's comments on Convention attendance. > I > was fortunate enough to have gone to the Louisiana Training Center > and > attend last years Convention while I was a student there. > > By all means, go. Do not wait for training. As I have read in this > email thread, there are lots of people willing to assist in any way > they can. This is a manifestation of the power we have in the > community of the NFB. > > Most Respectfully, > > Brian Wooten > Nashville Tennessee > > > On 4/23/10, Amy Sabo wrote: >> hello all, >> >> i too want to put in my two cents worth on this topic since i >> travel a lot >> for nfb conventions, going back and forth to michigan and colorado, >> and >> also >> other events in my life while traveling in airports. >> >> i too use assistance if it's necessary like if i have to go from >> one side >> of >> the airport to the other side. but, most of the time i just ask >> people >> where >> things are and, i just follow them they are going in that >> direction. >> >> i'm very comfortable traveling independtally and, i hope the same >> is for >> others too. take care all and, i will talk to you all soon! >> >> >> hugs, >> from amy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Sent: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:28:33 +0000 (UTC) >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention questions >> >> Hi Kerri, >> >> When I went to my first NFB convention by myself as a scholarship >> winner when I was 18, I was similarly terrified about the process >> of >> flying alone and getting to my destination. I had only flown >> independently one other time, to visit my aunt and uncle who met up >> with me right at the gate (before 9/11) and I also had little >> training >> or confidence traveling in unfamiliar places. Though I was scared >> initially, I will say the experience ended up being not only not >> scary, but also one of the best things I did for my future >> confidence >> and development, as it's clear you're hoping for as well. >> >> There are tons of helpful people in airports, both staff and >> passengers, and really it's impossible to get too lost without >> running >> into someone who is more than happy to offer assistance. When you >> get >> on your first flight, you can simply mention to the flight >> attendant >> that you would like someone to meet you at your connection and >> escort >> you to your connecting gate. When the plane lands, simply follow >> the >> other passengers up the jetway and someone should be waiting at the >> top, or if not, simply wait at the information desk just outside >> the >> jetway. You can make the same request for a "meet-and-assist" when >> you >> get on your second flight. This is a service airlines provide all >> the >> time and not an inconvenience (in fact, often airlines want to >> provide >> assistance even when we don't ask for it). The person who meets you >> at >> the Dallas gate can walk with you to baggage, help you find your >> bag >> and help you find a taxi or shuttle to get to the hotel. I would >> recommend putting a brightly colored ribbon or other easy visual >> identification on your bag, and also know what it feels like. You >> can >> simply tell the person assisting you what your bag looks like, and >> also stand next to the carousel and touch the bags as they go by to >> find yours. >> >> I don't remember if the Dallas hotel has a shuttle, but taxi >> service >> will definitely be available. In either case, the vehicle you want >> will be just outside the baggage area. Again, the airline employee >> who >> is assisting you can help you find an open taxi or a particular >> shuttle. Then simply tell the driver that you want to go to the >> Hilton >> Anatole. At this point, even if you flew alone, you may bump into >> other blind people attending the convention, with whom you can >> share a >> cab. >> >> I usually try to offer a dollar or two to airline employees who are >> helping me, although they don't always accept it. They are being >> paid >> for their work, similar to clerks who help us in the grocery store, >> but an additional tip is still nice. >> >> Seven years after my frightening trip to Louisville for the NFB >> convention, I now fly by myself every 1-3 months to visit family or >> to >> attend various NFB activities, and I don't give it a second >> thought. >> Airports can feel intimidating with their size, but really I think >> the >> airport is one of the safest places to navigate and there are so >> many >> people around to offer information or assistance that it's really >> very >> difficult to get seriously lost. All it takes is a few practice >> runs, >> whether with or without assistance, to get the hang of it. >> >> I sincerely hope that you will go ahead and make plans to attend >> our >> national NFB convention. I am confident that you will be fine if >> you >> make the trip by yourself. However, if you still want to try to >> connect with other Federationists in your area, you might try >> contacting Fred Schroeder in Virginia to see if anyone from the VA >> affiliate is flying out of Pittsburgh. If Baltimore isn't terribly >> far, you might consider trying to go with them. Since the National >> Center is based there, there will be a large, lively contingent >> going >> from Baltimore, many of whom are experts at airport travel and who >> also enjoy mentoring and interacting with new students. You might >> also >> see if you can hook up with some of us during your layover. >> Finally, >> you may be able to get a direct flight. >> >> In my experience, while training from an NFB center is great, you >> can >> learn and grow so much by, as you say, just going out and doing >> things >> and taking advantage of opportunities. So I definitely think you >> have >> a lot to gain and nothing to lose by coming to convention this >> year. >> >> Please keep us posted, and I look forward to meeting you at >> convention! >> >> Arielle >> >> On 4/22/10, Doug Oliver wrote: >>> catch up with me on skype and I can talk to ya through all that, >>> as I am >>> gonna go to convention, so we can meet up and hang out a bit. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerri Kosten" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 7:02 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions >>> >>> >>>> Hi All: >>>> >>>> I am facing a little dilemma and wanted to get your input. >>>> >>>> I would really really like to attend convention this summer in >>>> Dallas. >>>> I have a roomate lined up and she checked with the hotel and they >>>> told >>>> her they have rooms available and my mother said she'd give me >>>> financial assistance since I missed the Jernigan scholarship >>>> deadline. >>>> >>>> However, I did not receive proper blindness skills in high >>>> school. I >>>> am trying to attend CCB but I don't think I'll be in by the time >>>> convention happens and I have to decide whether I am going to >>>> convention or not really soon. >>>> >>>> My biggest weakness area and where I have not been taught hardly >>>> at >>>> all is came travel. Until just a few months ago my family guided >>>> me >>>> constantly. I had one of those short folding canes and would >>>> bring it >>>> along but not use it at all. I also was not taught proper >>>> technique. >>>> >>>> I now have a straight NFB cane and can use it okay but still do >>>> not >>>> really know how to use it. I have flown before but was always >>>> with my >>>> family and so didn't really have to go through much of the >>>> process or >>>> get a skycab/assistance or anything like that, they kind of just >>>> handled it for me. >>>> >>>> I really really want to go to convention but am terrified about >>>> flying >>>> by myself and all that goes into taking a shuttle and getting to >>>> the >>>> hotel by myself, then what do you do once in you room at the >>>> hotel? >>>> I've been told to ask for NFB registration? >>>> I really have no idea what I'm doing with all this. >>>> >>>> I am not so much scared about going through the airport in >>>> Pittsburgh >>>> as I figure whoever brings me can help me to the gate and seating >>>> area >>>> and such. >>>> >>>> The part that scares me the most is connecting to another flight, >>>> and >>>> then what to do once I arrive in terms of getting to baggage >>>> claim, >>>> then taking the Super shuttle to the hotel and all that. >>>> >>>> I think i'll be okay in the hotel. >>>> >>>> I have tried to talk to a few people about the process. They tell >>>> me >>>> that to transfer to another flight all I have to do is get out of >>>> the >>>> plane and go up to an info thing that I've been told is usually >>>> right >>>> there and ask for assistance to the next gate. Is this correct? >>>> >>>> How about when arriving in Dallas? Do I also just go up and say I >>>> need >>>> assistance to baggage claim then outside? >>>> >>>> How does the shuttle service work? Will they be out there already >>>> or >>>> should I also ask the person assisting me to help me with the >>>> shuttle? >>>> >>>> Do I need to prearrange for assistance or can I just go up and >>>> ask for >>>> it? >>>> >>>> I've been told it's a good idea to tip whoever gives me >>>> assistance. >>>> >>>> I would feel a bazillion times better about this if I had another >>>> blind person with me to kind of be there and guide me through all >>>> of >>>> this. I'm not saying give me sighted guide all the time, but >>>> someone >>>> else who is also going through it at the same time, same airport >>>> as me >>>> so I'm not completely on my own. >>>> >>>> However, as of yet I haven't found anyone who is also flying out >>>> of >>>> Pittsburgh. >>>> I am from West Virginia, so the closest airport is Pittsburgh. >>>> >>>> There is no NFB chapter in my area. >>>> >>>> I talked to our First vice president yesterday but since he lives >>>> in a >>>> different part of the state as I do he is flying out of >>>> Baltimore. >>>> >>>> I had my friend, the person who I would be rooming with write to >>>> the >>>> Pennsylvania list-serve and ask if anyone is flying out of >>>> Pittsburgh >>>> but there was no responses. >>>> >>>> I would give anything to go with my friend, but she is from >>>> Harrisburg >>>> PA and so for her the closest airport would either be Baltimore >>>> or >>>> Philly and Pittsburgh is the closest one to where I live in West >>>> Virginia. >>>> >>>> As soon as I send this, I am going to email my state president >>>> but I >>>> figured I'd put these general questions on this list first and >>>> see >>>> what I get. >>>> >>>> Is anyone else flying out of Pittsburgh or if not does anyone >>>> know of >>>> anybody who is or how I could find this out? >>>> >>>> >>>> I have not officially decided anything yet so have not done >>>> anything >>>> like book a flight, book my shuttle, or book my hotel room but I >>>> know >>>> I have to decide soon. >>>> >>>> Should I skip convention this year and wait until I get more >>>> training? >>>> >>>> The problem with this is I really really want to go and I already >>>> miss >>>> out on going and doing so many things I want because of not >>>> having the >>>> confidence and travel skills. >>>> I don't want to have to miss out yet again. >>>> >>>> But, I am very very very terrified and would feel much much >>>> better if >>>> I could have someone to sort of help/guide me through this. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? What would all of you do? >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40comcast.net >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mbrianwooten%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > M. Brian Wooten > Nashville, Tennessee > Phone: 615-680-9656 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net From jess28 at samobile.net Mon Apr 26 11:45:11 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:45:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions Message-ID: <20100426114511.19942.80436@web3> Kerri, Where in West Virginia are you located if you don't mind me asking? Jessica -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 15:30:30 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 11:30:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: <20100426114511.19942.80436@web3> References: <20100426114511.19942.80436@web3> Message-ID: Hey Jessica: I am in Morgantown, West Virginia. It's North-central W.VA. Have you ever heard of West Virginia University? I live in that town. Arielle, I now have a room...thanks! I think I'll book that $377 flight non-stop round-trip...I don't see where something like that could get much lower without it being some ridiculous time or a long flight due to layovers and such. Thanks! Kerri On 4/26/10, Jessica wrote: > Kerri, > Where in West Virginia are you located if you don't mind me asking? > Jessica > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From jty727 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 16:46:50 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:46:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] convention questions In-Reply-To: References: <20100426114511.19942.80436@web3> Message-ID: yes thats a very good price for round trip non stop. I'd say book it because as others have said it will only increase. to all I'd suggest trying www.studentuniverse.com which gives nice deals to students which a friend told me about. On 4/26/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hey Jessica: > > I am in Morgantown, West Virginia. It's North-central W.VA. > Have you ever heard of West Virginia University? I live in that town. > > Arielle, I now have a room...thanks! > I think I'll book that $377 flight non-stop round-trip...I don't see > where something like that could get much lower without it being some > ridiculous time or a long flight due to layovers and such. > > Thanks! > > Kerri > > On 4/26/10, Jessica wrote: >> Kerri, >> Where in West Virginia are you located if you don't mind me asking? >> Jessica >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 26 17:28:34 2010 From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:28:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Southwest Airlines and Customers of Size Message-ID: <001a01cae565$e74b9bb0$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello everyone, Convention is rapidly approaching and many of us are making airline reservations. For many of us this isn't any real concern. However large customers, or what airlines like South call "Customers of Size" have been subject to policies that can limit their airline choice and can add additional expense and frustration to their flying experience. I know about this first-hand as it happened to me last year when we flew to Detroit. I know that many of you heard bits and pieces of that story. Southwest's Customers of Size appears below along with their policy concerning the carriage of service animals. While the concerns of large passengers aren't a major issue of the NFB when two policies conflict I believe there is cause for alarm and a need to investigate. I travel with a guide dog. Southwest's policy says that guide dogs may occupy the space at the passenger's seat and that of the seat next to the passenger. This language leads a service animal user of any size to believe that every effort will be made to block off the seat next to the passenger giving the service animal more room so why charge them for that seat. We may be looking at a possible ACAA violation if the airline chooses to do this as a courtesy to guide dog and other service animal users. Note also that the language in the Customer of Size Policy is the same old dribble we've heard from airlines before about safety and such. Southwest gives large customers a refund of the unused seat but chasing down that refund is a royal pain. Ask someone who went through that experience. I don't care what they say. If other entities see it fit to have seating available for large persons airlines should be expected to do the same. This would also benefit guide dog users giving them extra room for their dog without compromising the floorspace of an adjacent passenger. Anyone coming to Dallas for the convention and who is large is advised to choose Delta or another airline with friendlier large customer policies. We flew on Delta last fall and didn't have any problems due to my large size. Because $1000.00 of professional recording equipment was damaged by Southwest last year "What a reward for sitting down and shutting up" to quote Dr. Maurer we're having to take extraordinary measures. In addition to purchasing travel insurance we'll be chartering a plane to Dallas and back to avoid mishandling of the recording equipment by baggage personnel, issues related to size, and the many other benefits private air charter has over scheduled flights. Here are the two policies: Southwest Airlines Customers of Size Policy >From the Web Site: http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/cos_guidelines.html Guidelines for Customers of Size-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Customers who are unable to lower both armrests (the definitive boundary between seats) and/or who compromise any portion of adjacent seating should proactively book the number of seats needed prior to travel. This purchase serves as a notification of a special seating need and allows us to process a refund of the additional seating cost after travel (provided the flight doesn't oversell). Most importantly, it ensures that all onboard have access to safe and comfortable seating. For more information, please refer to our Customer of size QA Booking Instructions via southwest.com list of 6 items 1. Click "Reservations." 2. Select your city pair(s) and travel date(s). 3. Select the number of seats needed ("two" is the typical choice for most Customers of size). 4. Proceed through the "Select Flight" and "Itinerary and Pricing" pages. 5. Complete the "Passenger Information" name fields: For example , a Passenger named Tom Smith would designate Passenger One as "Tom Smith," and Passenger Two as "Tom XS Smith" (first name XS and last name). 6. If a Customer purchases a Business Select or an Anytime fare, the second seat can be sold at the discounted Child's Fare. It is important to note that the Child's fare is available via our Reservations Sales Center only. You will need to call 800 I-FLY-SWA to book/purchase the extra seat at the Child Fare. list end Booking Instructions via our Reservations Center at 800 I-FLY-SWA (800-435-9792) list of 3 items 1. Inform the Agent you are familiar with our Customer of size policy and wish to book two seats. 2. We will offer the lowest fare available and if an advance purchase, discounted fare is booked, the second seat will be sold at the same discounted fare. 3. If a Customer purchases one of our unrestricted full fares, the second seat will be sold at the Child's Fare. list end Checkin Instructions list of 3 items 1. Customers can retrieve a Security Document 1 online to pass through a security checkpoint if not checking baggage. 2. If baggage or wheelchair assistance is needed curbside, a skycap will escort the Customer to the ticket counter. The Customer of size checkin is handled at the ticket counter or at the gate (and cannot be processed online or via E-Ticket Check-In kiosk). 3. At checkin, the Customer will receive a boarding pass, Reserved Seat Document, Refund Advice Slip , and preboard directions. list end 1On occasion, federally mandated procedures may prevent our ability to issue a Security Document online. Under these circumstances, please see a Southwest Customer Service Agent at the airport for assistance. Customer of Size QA-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From the Web Site: http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/cos_qa.html list of 23 items . Is the policy unique or new to Southwest Airlines? No, other carriers have similar policies, but to the best of our knowledge, no other carrier offers a refund after travel. We've followed this policy for 28 of our 37 years of operation, but only became more vigilant regarding the additional purchase when we began seeing an increase in the number of valid complaints from passengers who traveled without full access to the seat purchased because a large Customer infringed upon the adjacent seating space. . Why ask large Customers to purchase additional seating? We could no longer ignore complaints from Customers who traveled without full access to the seat purchased due to encroachment by a large seatmate whose body extended into the neighboring seat. These Customers had uncomfortable (and sometimes painful) travel experiences, and it is our responsibility to seek resolution to prevent this problem. . What is the cost of the additional seating? If the Customer is holding an advance purchase, discounted fare, the second seat will be sold at the same discounted fare. If the Customer has purchased one of our low, unrestricted full fares, the second seat will be sold at the Child's Fare. . What is the definitive gauge for a Customer of size? The armrest is the definitive gauge, as it serves as the boundary between seats. Customers who are unable to lower the armrests (the definitive boundary between seats) and/or who compromise any portion of adjacent seating should proactively book the number of seats needed during initial reservations. . How do I qualify for and request a refund of the additional seat purchase? As long as the flight does not oversell (having more confirmed Customers waiting to board an aircraft than seats on the aircraft), we will refund the additional seat purchase after travel. A Refund Advice Slip , a guide for conveniently requesting refunds (via telephone or letter), is provided to the Customer of size at checkin. And, if it appears a flight will oversell, the option to purchase a second seat and travel on a less full flight is available. . Are there other reasons to purchase additional seating? Yes, Customers wishing to secure in an aircraft seat a musical item, a child restraint device for an infant, etc. must purchase an additional ticket. However, these Customers have other "options" such as holding an infant under the age of two as a lap child or placing the instrument in an onboard stowage space or in the cargo hold, and we are sensitive to fact that a large Customer has no option regarding seating space. For that reason, we offer a refund of the additional seat purchased (by a Customer of size) as long as the flight does not oversell. . Won't this be embarrassing to the large Customer and the Employee? It's tough to speak privately in an airport setting, and because a discussion about size is sensitive, we've cautioned our Employees to use discretion. Yes, it's difficult to deliver or receive a sensitive message, and to alleviate confusion, we encourage Customers with unique seating needs to proactively purchase additional seating (again, this is to notify us of the unique need). We ask this to accommodate our Customers in comfort and avoid embarrassing conversation. Ultimately, it is the Customer's responsibility to communicate with us upfront (at the time of booking) about his/her seating needs so that we may best serve him/her and all others onboard. . I am a large person and use a seatbelt extension, but I fit in one aircraft seat. Do I have to purchase two seats? Our policy does not focus on weight, and the seatbelt extension is not the determining factor. We use the ability to lower the armrests as the gauge, as the armrests are truly the definitive boundary between each seat. . Are all overweight people subject to the policy? Many Americans are "overweight" or "clinically obese." A number of overweight or obese people occupy only one seat. In fact, many Customers may use a seatbelt extension but occupy only one seat, and these Customers would not be asked to reserve a second seat. If a Customer cannot lower the armrest (and is unable to comfortably travel with it in the down position), he/she is required to pay for the additional seat occupied. Again, we will offer a refund if the flight does not oversell. . I'm large but can be seated with the armrests down. Aren't your Employees wrong to question me? If a concern exists, we shouldn't ignore it even if it's difficult for both parties to discuss. Condoning an unsafe, cramped seating arrangement onboard our aircraft is far more inappropriate than simply questioning a Customer's fit in our seats. . Why not make your seats wider or add a few wide seats on your aircraft? Our ongoing goal is to operate a low-fare, low cost airline, and the costs of reconfiguring our fleet would be staggering and would ultimately reflect in the form of higher fares for our Customers. Purchasing two seats on Southwest Airlines is significantly less expensive than purchasing one first class seat on another airline. . If a flight is "open," why are you charging for an additional seat? A Customer of size has no way of knowing at the time of booking if his/her flights will be full. The inconsistency of charging for the extra seat on one occasion and not others leaves the Customer not knowing what to expect and not having a full understanding of our policy. Thus, we require the additional purchase despite booking levels. . Why can't two large Customers share their second seat? Open seating cannot guarantee that there will be an entire row open for two Customers to sit together and share the middle seat on each leg of the trip. . Why can't a large Customer sit with a family member who doesn't mind being encroached upon or a small child/person who doesn't take a full seat? Open seating cannot guarantee that two people will be able to sit together. In addition, we must treat the smaller person (despite willingness or personal relationship) as a valued Customer who deserves the use of a full seat. Most importantly, we have to consider the safety aspect of the family member whose movement (especially in the event of an emergency) could be compromised if encroached on by a large seatmate. . Isn't this policy just another way to increase your revenue? No, we are not "making money" from this policy. In addition to giving the Customer a refund for the second seat, we are absorbing the administrative costs (staffing and processing) of issuing the refund. 98 percent of extra seat purchases qualify for a refund, as a refund request is declined only in the event of an oversale that causes us to deny transportation to a confirmed Customer (to whom we must issue denied boarding compensation). . If a Customer has broad shoulders, will he/she have to buy a second seat? Again, if a Customer cannot lower the armrests, the additional purchase is necessary. Simply having broad shoulders would not necessarily prevent another Customer from occupying adjoining seat. The upper body can be adjusted, but the portion of the body in the actual seating and armrest area doesn't have this flexibility. . Why isn't this information on your tickets, referenced on the booking/reservations pages of your web site, or questioned by your Reservations Employees? We estimate that the Customer of size policy affects far less than half a percent of our Customers, and ultimately, it is the responsibility of a Customer with a unique and unusual need to communicate with us upfront so that we may best serve him/her and all others onboard. We won't know of an unusual need unless the Customer tells us. . Doesn't your policy violate the Americans with Disabilities Act or the Air Carrier Access Act? Interstate airline travel is specifically excluded from Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) by Section 12141(2). Airline travel is instead covered by the Air Carrier Access Act, 49 U.S.C. 1374(c) and the regulations implementing the Act issued by the Department of Transportation as 14 CFR Part 382, et seq. The Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA) preceded the ADA, and Congress excluded air carriers and other air transportation services from the scope of ADA. As regulated under 14 CFR §382.38 Seating accommodations (i) "Carriers are not required to furnish more than one seat per ticket or to provide a seat in a class of service other than the one the passenger has purchased." . Can I be preapproved as needing only one seat? Because size can fluctuate, we are unable to give blanket authorization. . How will you ensure no one takes the seat beside me if I've purchased a second seat? The Customer who has purchased two seats must be an active participant in preserving his/her additional seat. We encourage Customers of size to preboard to locate adequate seating, placing the Reserved Seat Document in the adjacent seat. Our Ground Operations and Inflight Employees communicate about special needs Customers, and if a Customer of size needs seating assistance, he/she should ask an Employee for help. . I'm pregnant, will I have to purchase two seats? A woman who is pregnant does not occupy two seats if she can lower the armrests. . Can I check in using an E-Ticket Check-In kiosk or online checkin? Because a Customer of size has special seating needs; is encouraged to preboard; and needs specific boarding/seating documents, these Customers are required to check in with a Customer Service Agent at the ticket counter or at the gate. A Skycap can assist a Customer of size with baggage and provide an escort to the ticket counter, and a Customer of size wishing to bypass the ticket counter may simply print a Security Document online for access through the security checkpoint. At checkin, a Customer of size will receive a boarding pass, Reserved Seat Document, Refund Advice Slip, and preboarding direction. . Isn't this policy discriminatory toward large Customers? Southwest Airlines does not condone discrimination in any form. We have Employees and Customers of all races, ethnicity, religions, shapes, and sizes. Our Mission and our responsibility per our Contract of Carriage is to provide safe and comfortable air transportation for each and every Customer. This policy has been upheld in court and is supported by the Department of Transportation's stance that the purchase of a single ticket offers the use of a single seat. list end Southwest Airlines Policy on Carriage of Assistance Animals Assistance Animals Trained Assistance Animals Southwest Airlines welcomes trained assistance animals on all of our flights. In accordance with federal Safety regulations, the animal must be positioned so as not to obstruct Customers' expeditious evacuation in the unlikely event of an emergency. Except when too large to be safely accommodated, a trained assistance animal traveling with and providing assistance to a Customer with a disability will be accommodated in the aircraft cabin on the floor in front of or next to the Customer with a disability. There you have it. During my flight I was told that Southwest's Customer of Size Policy was an FAA regulation. I checked the FAA's Web Site after reading this document and found no FAA regulations that set arm rests as the definitive boundary between seats. And no where are any so-called FAA policies referenced that readers of this information can examine for themselves. While this issue isn't a blindness matter it's one to monitor should airlines use these policies to indirectly discriminate against guide dog users. I hope that this information will help insure that everyone can fly to Dallas and home without encountering this kind of nonsence. Large convention attendees be sure to choose your airline wisely to avoid paying for two seats and to avoid the other problems I and perhaps some others encountered when flying on the likes of Southwest Airlines. Peter Donahue "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." Will You Come to the Bower Traditional Irish Folk Song From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 18:44:39 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:44:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? In-Reply-To: References: <679A41D0C3754B5BB360296F82803104@Serene> Message-ID: Hi, Serena, The latest version of AIM on the AOL website (7.2 I believe) works with JAWS 11. AIM tends to force you to upgrade after a new version is released, so it is generally a good idea to use the latest version. I have actually found AIM to be very JAWS-friendly and have never had any problems with pop-up ads; the cursor goes directly to the buddy list when I sign in, which is great. I think your student will be able to chat freely on it in no time. Katie On 4/25/10, Doug Oliver wrote: > aim 7.2 works with jaws 11 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Young" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:25 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? > > >> As far as I know the most recent AIM version which is 6.9 works best >> with all JAWS versions. >> Hope this helps >> Justin >> >> On 4/25/10, Serena wrote: >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> I'm tutoring a high school student about using Jaws. Among other things, >>> I'm gonna teach her AIM. She'll use my relatively old version when she's >>> >>> at >>> my house, but she has Jaws 11.0 on her computer at home. What version of >>> AIM is best with Jaws 11? She's good with computers, but I doubt she'll >>> be >>> playing games on AIM or any other complicated stuff ... I'm guessing, >>> she'll >>> just use it to chat with people. What are the special features of the >>> particular AIM version? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Serena >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Mon Apr 26 19:40:11 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:40:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? References: <679A41D0C3754B5BB360296F82803104@Serene> Message-ID: <5460900A0FE640F0ABC125BC4D1F8BE7@Serene> Thanks. Just for your info, at least in my version 5.9, although AIM asks you if you want to upgrade, there's a button that says something like,"don't upgrade." After you enter on it, AIM doesn't ask you to upgrade anymore. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Wang" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? > Hi, Serena, > The latest version of AIM on the AOL website (7.2 I believe) works > with JAWS 11. AIM tends to force you to upgrade after a new version is > released, so it is generally a good idea to use the latest version. I > have actually found AIM to be very JAWS-friendly and have never had > any problems with pop-up ads; the cursor goes directly to the buddy > list when I sign in, which is great. I think your student will be able > to chat freely on it in no time. > Katie > > On 4/25/10, Doug Oliver wrote: >> aim 7.2 works with jaws 11 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin Young" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? >> >> >>> As far as I know the most recent AIM version which is 6.9 works best >>> with all JAWS versions. >>> Hope this helps >>> Justin >>> >>> On 4/25/10, Serena wrote: >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> I'm tutoring a high school student about using Jaws. Among other >>>> things, >>>> I'm gonna teach her AIM. She'll use my relatively old version when >>>> she's >>>> >>>> at >>>> my house, but she has Jaws 11.0 on her computer at home. What version >>>> of >>>> AIM is best with Jaws 11? She's good with computers, but I doubt >>>> she'll >>>> be >>>> playing games on AIM or any other complicated stuff ... I'm guessing, >>>> she'll >>>> just use it to chat with people. What are the special features of the >>>> particular AIM version? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Serena >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 20:00:52 2010 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:00:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? References: <679A41D0C3754B5BB360296F82803104@Serene> Message-ID: <89DB0665046243CEBD6747CCCE87415B@D9P3ZND1> An advantage to the most recent version of AIM and JAWS 11 is facebook chat is completely accessible! As you are setting up the log-in info AIM will ask if you want to connect to facebook. Other than the fb chat feature I don't know of any other major differences. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Wang" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? > Hi, Serena, > The latest version of AIM on the AOL website (7.2 I believe) works > with JAWS 11. AIM tends to force you to upgrade after a new version is > released, so it is generally a good idea to use the latest version. I > have actually found AIM to be very JAWS-friendly and have never had > any problems with pop-up ads; the cursor goes directly to the buddy > list when I sign in, which is great. I think your student will be able > to chat freely on it in no time. > Katie > > On 4/25/10, Doug Oliver wrote: >> aim 7.2 works with jaws 11 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Justin Young" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 1:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] version of AIM best with Jaws 11? >> >> >>> As far as I know the most recent AIM version which is 6.9 works best >>> with all JAWS versions. >>> Hope this helps >>> Justin >>> >>> On 4/25/10, Serena wrote: >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> I'm tutoring a high school student about using Jaws. Among other >>>> things, >>>> I'm gonna teach her AIM. She'll use my relatively old version when >>>> she's >>>> >>>> at >>>> my house, but she has Jaws 11.0 on her computer at home. What version >>>> of >>>> AIM is best with Jaws 11? She's good with computers, but I doubt >>>> she'll >>>> be >>>> playing games on AIM or any other complicated stuff ... I'm guessing, >>>> she'll >>>> just use it to chat with people. What are the special features of the >>>> particular AIM version? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Serena >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > From mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Mon Apr 26 22:42:57 2010 From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org (Maryann Migliorelli) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:42:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) In-Reply-To: References: <20100424001706.9096.93912@web3> Message-ID: <003401cae591$d11a97c0$734fc740$@org> Hi Jewel, There are some really good ones that are adjustable. You can even find them in Walmart these days, but one of the best sources for them is Independent Living Aids. There certainly are some that will work with your height, be adjustable, and still fold sufficiently for your convenience. From jorgeapaez at mac.com Mon Apr 26 23:38:32 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:38:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] LCB Rejection Letter: Deadline? Message-ID: Hello guys. As you may remember, I was asking about applying to LCB a couple of days ago. Well, I applied and got a simple rejection letter, stating that I was over the deadline of April 9, 2010. It also informed me that this term the camp was filled. The "filled" part I can understand, but my question is, is it possible that they have deadlines that are so early? STEP isn't supposed to take place till June 3rd. Jorge From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 23:43:42 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:43:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] help with on-line study-- more participants needed Message-ID: Hello, all, I wrote to the list a few months ago about an on-line study I'm conducting regarding the experiences of students with disabilities. I want to thank those of you who have participated; the input I have had so far is extremely informative. I do, however, still need a few more participants to fully address my research questions, and I would really appreciate if those of you who have not participated or who are simply new to the list can take the survey. . Your participation should take no more than 15 minutes, and your response will contribute greatly to my research. As a reminder, anyone who is 18 years or older and an undergraduate or graduate student with a permanent disability, blindness or otherwise, can participate. If you are interested, please click on the link below, and feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Thanks so much! Katie http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/K7XT7YG From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Apr 27 00:11:08 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:11:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] LCB Rejection Letter: Deadline? References: Message-ID: <18119BE3604F4A5FAB6882346CFF94F5@Serene> It might be cuz they have to know who's coming and get things ready for the group. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 7:38 PM Subject: [nabs-l] LCB Rejection Letter: Deadline? > Hello guys. > As you may remember, I was asking about applying to LCB a couple of days > ago. > Well, I applied and got a simple rejection letter, stating that I was over > the deadline of April 9, 2010. > It also informed me that this term the camp was filled. > The "filled" part I can understand, but my question is, is it possible > that they have deadlines that are so early? STEP isn't supposed to take > place till June 3rd. > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From dlawless86 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 00:26:32 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:26:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LCB Rejection Letter: Deadline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: George, I am really sorry to hear about your rejection letter. Unfortunately they have to make a deadline this early so that they can select a group of students from the program, find people to staff the program, make sure that the staff will be able to meet the needs of the students, and ensure that the staff is amply trained for the program. Also, each staff member is usually required to complete extensive paperwork as well as a background check. I am sorry to hear that you weren't accepted to the program but I hope that this won't discourage you from applying in the future. Have you looked into summer programs at CCB and Blind Inc? Best, Domonique Lawless On 4/26/10, Jorge Paez wrote: > Hello guys. > As you may remember, I was asking about applying to LCB a couple of days > ago. > Well, I applied and got a simple rejection letter, stating that I was over > the deadline of April 9, 2010. > It also informed me that this term the camp was filled. > The "filled" part I can understand, but my question is, is it possible that > they have deadlines that are so early? STEP isn't supposed to take place > till June 3rd. > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 01:26:32 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:26:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions Message-ID: Hi all, Please send me your announcements/updates for next week's May NABS bulletin. Also, if you have announcements about convention activities you are running that would appeal to students, I will publish those in the June bulletin to be sent out Monday, June 7. You can send your convention announcements to me now or before Sunday, June 6 at 5:00 p.m. Eastern. Thanks! Arielle -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From gera1027 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 01:54:59 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:54:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? Message-ID: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course of studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist work with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that as a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has this happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems and emotions and feelings! Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. Gerardo From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 01:57:13 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:57:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Support Canes (was Help! Philosophy Question) In-Reply-To: <003401cae591$d11a97c0$734fc740$@org> References: <20100424001706.9096.93912@web3> <003401cae591$d11a97c0$734fc740$@org> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip. I love Independent Living Aids, so I'm glad you mentioned that. I get a lot of stuff from them. ~Jewel On 4/26/10, Maryann Migliorelli wrote: > Hi Jewel, There are some really good ones that are adjustable. You can > even find them in Walmart these days, but one of the best sources for them > is Independent Living Aids. There certainly are some that will work with > your height, be adjustable, and still fold sufficiently for your > convenience. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 03:26:24 2010 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 23:26:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? In-Reply-To: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: I definitely understand and would love feedback especially how to work with clients who might be halucinating. For example, once in personality psychology we were going over the personality disorders and my professors had some examples of clients on tape. We were to watch them and try to gage their symptoms and match them to a disorder. During one interview a man commented on how the room looked. I did not know until someone pointed out that his descriptions were completely made up, and what he had said about the room, something about paint chipping, wasn't an unrealistic description, and it made me wonder how i would gage such things. My guess, and i am not an expert nor to i have my license, would be to gage as much as you can from tone of voice and what people are saying as possible. It is amazing what you can figure out just from those. If you have a confident mind set that you can figure someone out rather than have the blocking mind set that you can't because you are blind, you will be able to go a lot further. Also, looking through a client's medical history before the interview and talking to them about their past which is done by any counselor will give you a lot of insight. I definitely think it is possible for blind people to counsel, and i am sure that all clinitians have their clients they are doubtful about. Just keep up with the field and new research and knowledge and take advantage of every opportunity you have to gain experience. Any psychologist who thinks they have the answer to everything i feel is a contradiction to the field. We will never know everything, and there will always be an exception to the rule. I am interested in more feedback though, and if anyone with counseling experience has ever had trouble with clients because of their blindness, i would love to hear how you dealt with it. How do you look over a client's forms when they fill them out during their first visit? How do you take notes? I feel like using a computer is a bit more invasive and distracting than taking written notes, but i couldn't think of another way to do it. I will be doing a practicum this fall, and although i won't be conducting any therapy sessions, i will be shaddowing a lot and am looking forward to the experience so i can start thinking about how to answer these questions presented by grad programs or employers, because with anything, it is always better to walk in with some answers, so i'm glad you're asking us. Cindy On 4/26/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: > Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role > models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course of > studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if > it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of > visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors > what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist work > with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself > understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I > sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers > passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that as > a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has this > happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems and > emotions and feelings! > Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Apr 27 05:07:52 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:07:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? Message-ID: <20100427050752.31952.23057@web1> Gerardo, While visual information is important to the sighted while communicating, that doesn't mean that visual information is absolutely necessary when communicating or observing how others communicate together. I think I can best answer your question by asking you some of my own. How do you know when someone is looking in your direction when speaking to you? How do you know how someone is feeling? What changes do you observe in voice quality, tone, rate of speech, speech direction, and the use of silence? What other non-visual techniques do you use to help you communicate with the sighted? What about smell and touch? Are these important? what about the distance between you and the other you communicate with? What I'm saying is that you will use the same techniques to observe couples communicating as you do when you communicate with others. And of course as is true with any good counselor, psychologist, and/or therapist, ask questions to make sure you're interpreting things correctly. Does this help? Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: > Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role > models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course of > studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if > it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of > visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors > what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist work > with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself > understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I > sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers > passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that as > a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has this > happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems and > emotions and feelings! > Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. > Gerardo > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 05:23:32 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 01:23:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? In-Reply-To: References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: I"d like to do social work, so counseling is required of me in entry level casework. For one thing, BSW social workers don't have to diagnose and treat, but I think I don't want to do MSW work. Who knows though? I'd like to start out by working withbattered women, but that could be hard as a husband might be hard to communicate with at some times. What if there's a big underlying mental disorder the husband has? What if there's a drinking problem? Looking at a client's medical history is one thing, but all records have to be scanned and not kept in print only. If people would understand that much, I think I could be a more effective social worker. Beth On 4/26/10, Cindy Bennett wrote: > I definitely understand and would love feedback especially how to work > with clients who might be halucinating. For example, once in > personality psychology we were going over the personality disorders > and my professors had some examples of clients on tape. We were to > watch them and try to gage their symptoms and match them to a > disorder. During one interview a man commented on how the room looked. > I did not know until someone pointed out that his descriptions were > completely made up, and what he had said about the room, something > about paint chipping, wasn't an unrealistic description, and it made > me wonder how i would gage such things. > > My guess, and i am not an expert nor to i have my license, would be to > gage as much as you can from tone of voice and what people are saying > as possible. It is amazing what you can figure out just from those. If > you have a confident mind set that you can figure someone out rather > than have the blocking mind set that you can't because you are blind, > you will be able to go a lot further. > > Also, looking through a client's medical history before the interview > and talking to them about their past which is done by any counselor > will give you a lot of insight. > > I definitely think it is possible for blind people to counsel, and i > am sure that all clinitians have their clients they are doubtful > about. > > Just keep up with the field and new research and knowledge and take > advantage of every opportunity you have to gain experience. Any > psychologist who thinks they have the answer to everything i feel is a > contradiction to the field. We will never know everything, and there > will always be an exception to the rule. > > I am interested in more feedback though, and if anyone with counseling > experience has ever had trouble with clients because of their > blindness, i would love to hear how you dealt with it. How do you look > over a client's forms when they fill them out during their first > visit? How do you take notes? I feel like using a computer is a bit > more invasive and distracting than taking written notes, but i > couldn't think of another way to do it. > > I will be doing a practicum this fall, and although i won't be > conducting any therapy sessions, i will be shaddowing a lot and am > looking forward to the experience so i can start thinking about how to > answer these questions presented by grad programs or employers, > because with anything, it is always better to walk in with some > answers, so i'm glad you're asking us. > > Cindy > > On 4/26/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: >> Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role >> models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course >> of >> studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if >> it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of >> visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors >> what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist work >> with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself >> understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I >> sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers >> passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that >> as >> a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has this >> happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems >> and >> emotions and feelings! >> Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. >> Gerardo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From brileyp at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 13:29:47 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:29:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LCB Rejection Letter: Deadline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <296A5B84-D099-4407-8170-87E8AF36D57A@gmail.com> They have to make sure they have enough councilors to cover the amount of students. Also, they are prepping for the program far before, so April 9 is pretty generous, all things considered. You could maybe call and see if they'd let you in if someone drops. There might be a waiting list. Briley On Apr 26, 2010, at 6:38 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Hello guys. > As you may remember, I was asking about applying to LCB a couple of days ago. > Well, I applied and got a simple rejection letter, stating that I was over the deadline of April 9, 2010. > It also informed me that this term the camp was filled. > The "filled" part I can understand, but my question is, is it possible that they have deadlines that are so early? STEP isn't supposed to take place till June 3rd. > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at maine.edu Tue Apr 27 15:46:22 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:46:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problemswith couples? References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Hi Gerardo. I minored in psych, and just posed the question to my father, who has psych as his major. The key thing when dealing with couples is not only the non-verbal communication, but also the verbal communication. I don't think it would be difficult to work with couples experiencing problems. You're going to be able to sense the tension in the room, or get cues from hesitations your prospectiv clients might make. I hope this helps. I'll try to get more info at a later date-- my father was running out the door when I posed the question. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" To: "BlindStudents" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:54 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problemswith couples? > Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: > Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role > models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course > of > studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if > it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of > visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors > what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist work > with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself > understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I > sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers > passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that > as > a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has this > happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems > and > emotions and feelings! > Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From iamantonio at cox.net Tue Apr 27 15:51:11 2010 From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:51:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working withproblems with couples? References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Hello Cindy, I would guess that one would have to be aware of reality to know if a patient is going outside of it. If you are aware of your surroundings, like the arrangement of furniture and objects in your own office, you would notice if a client is describing something out of the norm. I think that maybe the look on a person who is hallucinating might appear dreamy, and pensive: far away. But the look results from the client's way of thinking, scared, impressed, out of touch, and this look might very well, as I suspect it often does get projected in the way a client speaks. I am willing to bet that you can pick up on the ways of speaking, what is being said, and how it's being said, inflection, to see if the patient is hallucinating. Then, sighted practitioners are not always so sure if hallucination is taking place, and in the end anyone treating someone will fall back to the same therapy skills used by everyone. I hope this makes sense. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Student, Western Governors University (617) 744-9716 Eastern time zone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Bennett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working withproblems with couples? >I definitely understand and would love feedback especially how to work > with clients who might be halucinating. For example, once in > personality psychology we were going over the personality disorders > and my professors had some examples of clients on tape. We were to > watch them and try to gage their symptoms and match them to a > disorder. During one interview a man commented on how the room looked. > I did not know until someone pointed out that his descriptions were > completely made up, and what he had said about the room, something > about paint chipping, wasn't an unrealistic description, and it made > me wonder how i would gage such things. > > My guess, and i am not an expert nor to i have my license, would be to > gage as much as you can from tone of voice and what people are saying > as possible. It is amazing what you can figure out just from those. If > you have a confident mind set that you can figure someone out rather > than have the blocking mind set that you can't because you are blind, > you will be able to go a lot further. > > Also, looking through a client's medical history before the interview > and talking to them about their past which is done by any counselor > will give you a lot of insight. > > I definitely think it is possible for blind people to counsel, and i > am sure that all clinitians have their clients they are doubtful > about. > > Just keep up with the field and new research and knowledge and take > advantage of every opportunity you have to gain experience. Any > psychologist who thinks they have the answer to everything i feel is a > contradiction to the field. We will never know everything, and there > will always be an exception to the rule. > > I am interested in more feedback though, and if anyone with counseling > experience has ever had trouble with clients because of their > blindness, i would love to hear how you dealt with it. How do you look > over a client's forms when they fill them out during their first > visit? How do you take notes? I feel like using a computer is a bit > more invasive and distracting than taking written notes, but i > couldn't think of another way to do it. > > I will be doing a practicum this fall, and although i won't be > conducting any therapy sessions, i will be shaddowing a lot and am > looking forward to the experience so i can start thinking about how to > answer these questions presented by grad programs or employers, > because with anything, it is always better to walk in with some > answers, so i'm glad you're asking us. > > Cindy > > On 4/26/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >> Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: >> Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role >> models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course >> of >> studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if >> it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of >> visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors >> what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist >> work >> with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself >> understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I >> sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers >> passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that >> as >> a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has >> this >> happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems >> and >> emotions and feelings! >> Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. >> Gerardo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Apr 27 16:00:06 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:00:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Although I'm not a psychologist, I worked for 2 years at the public defenders office, placing public defender clients into drug rehab programs. I was quite good at detecting mental illness in my clients by simply listening to what they were saying and their tone of voice. No, I didn't usually know if they were visually halusinating, but, when I thaught they were mentally ill and referred them for an evaluation, I was pretty much always correct that they were mentally ill. I was also good at realizing when the medical records claimed my clients were mentally ill, but they really weren't. (Often, when drug addicts withdraw from their drug of choice, they say things that make others believe they're mentally ill.) Beth, I'm going to go to Rutgers to get my MSW. I'm starting this fall. I'm really psyched! Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? > I"d like to do social work, so counseling is required of me in entry > level casework. For one thing, BSW social workers don't have to > diagnose and treat, but I think I don't want to do MSW work. Who > knows though? I'd like to start out by working withbattered women, > but that could be hard as a husband might be hard to communicate with > at some times. What if there's a big underlying mental disorder the > husband has? What if there's a drinking problem? Looking at a > client's medical history is one thing, but all records have to be > scanned and not kept in print only. If people would understand that > much, I think I could be a more effective social worker. > Beth > > On 4/26/10, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> I definitely understand and would love feedback especially how to work >> with clients who might be halucinating. For example, once in >> personality psychology we were going over the personality disorders >> and my professors had some examples of clients on tape. We were to >> watch them and try to gage their symptoms and match them to a >> disorder. During one interview a man commented on how the room looked. >> I did not know until someone pointed out that his descriptions were >> completely made up, and what he had said about the room, something >> about paint chipping, wasn't an unrealistic description, and it made >> me wonder how i would gage such things. >> >> My guess, and i am not an expert nor to i have my license, would be to >> gage as much as you can from tone of voice and what people are saying >> as possible. It is amazing what you can figure out just from those. If >> you have a confident mind set that you can figure someone out rather >> than have the blocking mind set that you can't because you are blind, >> you will be able to go a lot further. >> >> Also, looking through a client's medical history before the interview >> and talking to them about their past which is done by any counselor >> will give you a lot of insight. >> >> I definitely think it is possible for blind people to counsel, and i >> am sure that all clinitians have their clients they are doubtful >> about. >> >> Just keep up with the field and new research and knowledge and take >> advantage of every opportunity you have to gain experience. Any >> psychologist who thinks they have the answer to everything i feel is a >> contradiction to the field. We will never know everything, and there >> will always be an exception to the rule. >> >> I am interested in more feedback though, and if anyone with counseling >> experience has ever had trouble with clients because of their >> blindness, i would love to hear how you dealt with it. How do you look >> over a client's forms when they fill them out during their first >> visit? How do you take notes? I feel like using a computer is a bit >> more invasive and distracting than taking written notes, but i >> couldn't think of another way to do it. >> >> I will be doing a practicum this fall, and although i won't be >> conducting any therapy sessions, i will be shaddowing a lot and am >> looking forward to the experience so i can start thinking about how to >> answer these questions presented by grad programs or employers, >> because with anything, it is always better to walk in with some >> answers, so i'm glad you're asking us. >> >> Cindy >> >> On 4/26/10, Gerardo Corripio wrote: >>> Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: >>> Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist >>> role >>> models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my >>> course >>> of >>> studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if >>> it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of >>> visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors >>> what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist >>> work >>> with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made >>> myself >>> understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I >>> sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers >>> passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that >>> as >>> a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has >>> this >>> happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems >>> and >>> emotions and feelings! >>> Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. >>> Gerardo >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From hope.paulos at maine.edu Tue Apr 27 17:24:00 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] University of North Carolina online programs Message-ID: <6674D42F55B14471A6DB682213DBF8B0@Hope> Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone has taken any online programs from the University of North Carolina. They have an assistive technology certificate program online that I'm considering taking. If anyone has taken a program from this university, please feel free to give me your opinion on accessibility of the website, and obtaining materials in accessible format. Thanks. Hope and Beignet From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 18:02:53 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:02:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problemswith couples? In-Reply-To: References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: Hah. Psyched? Wow. That sounds good, Serena. Good luck. I'm psyched about getting my BSW, but I am probably going to transfer depending on how things work in CO. Beth On 4/27/10, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi Gerardo. I minored in psych, and just posed the question to my father, > who has psych as his major. The key thing when dealing with couples is not > only the non-verbal communication, but also the verbal communication. I > don't think it would be difficult to work with couples experiencing > problems. You're going to be able to sense the tension in the room, or get > cues from hesitations your prospectiv clients might make. > I hope this helps. I'll try to get more info at a later date-- my father was > running out the door when I posed the question. > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerardo Corripio" > To: "BlindStudents" > Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:54 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with > problemswith couples? > > >> Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: >> Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist role >> models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my course >> of >> studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if >> it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of >> visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors >> what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist work >> with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made myself >> understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I >> sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers >> passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that >> as >> a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has this >> happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems >> and >> emotions and feelings! >> Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. >> Gerardo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Apr 27 18:41:52 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:41:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working withproblemswith couples? References: <007001cae5ac$a6f09240$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <5AE09E949A364F88ACC7E93FA39D76F9@Serene> I hope you're able to go to CCB! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working withproblemswith couples? > Hah. Psyched? Wow. That sounds good, Serena. Good luck. I'm > psyched about getting my BSW, but I am probably going to transfer > depending on how things work in CO. > Beth > > On 4/27/10, Hope Paulos wrote: >> Hi Gerardo. I minored in psych, and just posed the question to my father, >> who has psych as his major. The key thing when dealing with couples is >> not >> only the non-verbal communication, but also the verbal communication. I >> don't think it would be difficult to work with couples experiencing >> problems. You're going to be able to sense the tension in the room, or >> get >> cues from hesitations your prospectiv clients might make. >> I hope this helps. I'll try to get more info at a later date-- my father >> was >> running out the door when I posed the question. >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gerardo Corripio" >> To: "BlindStudents" >> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:54 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with >> problemswith couples? >> >> >>> Hi listers, especially psychologists or who are studying in the field: >>> Unfortunately in university because I didn't have blind psychologist >>> role >>> models to look up or ask questions I wasn't orientated right in my >>> course >>> of >>> studies thus my question. Any ideas of what alternative techniques or if >>> it's possible to work with couples facing problems? Due to the amount of >>> visual info required to see how their communication is and other factors >>> what alternative techniques do you guy use? Can we blind psychologist >>> work >>> with family therapy or problems with husband and wife? Hope I made >>> myself >>> understood; I have the idea but don't know if I expressed it right. I >>> sometimes have the feeling that my mother especially thinks my teachers >>> passed me because of my blindness because she has the exptectations that >>> as >>> a psychologist I should have all the answers and know everything! Has >>> this >>> happened to you guys also? We're also human bings and have our problems >>> and >>> emotions and feelings! >>> Any ideas aprreciated or experiences. >>> Gerardo >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 18:51:28 2010 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:51:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] University of North Carolina online programs In-Reply-To: <6674D42F55B14471A6DB682213DBF8B0@Hope> References: <6674D42F55B14471A6DB682213DBF8B0@Hope> Message-ID: By UNC you are referring to Chapel Hill right? I am just asking, because sometimes people not from NC say UNC and they are referring to the UNC system which is made up of several different schools. If you are, i do not know any blind person there currently, but i will ask around. There could be someone on this list, i don't know, but you could contact their disabilities office and ask them if they've had any reported problems, or you could see if there is info and a contact about their online classes. You could call their tech center and ask what they use for online classes. I personally am successful in them at UNCW, there are some finicky things that can be worked through, but it is possible, and i suspect that Chapel Hill would be run similarly. Cindy On 4/27/10, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone has taken any online programs from the > University of North Carolina. They have an assistive technology certificate > program online that I'm considering taking. > If anyone has taken a program from this university, please feel free to give > me your opinion on accessibility of the website, and obtaining materials in > accessible format. > Thanks. > Hope and Beignet > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Tue Apr 27 19:12:40 2010 From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org (Maryann Migliorelli) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:12:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions Message-ID: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> Greetings Fellow students, I have two different questions for you. I have been told that there isn't a screen reader that will read higher level math like graphs and accounting charts. Is this true, and, if so, what sorts of accommodations do you use to get through the college level math? Do any of you have classes that require you to participate in common thread discussions? What do you do with your screen readers to read and participate in them? Which screen readers are best for this activity? If it's easker, you can respond off list at mrsmigs at migliorelli.org Thanks for the help. Regards, Maryann Migliorelli From ccook01 at knology.net Tue Apr 27 19:21:42 2010 From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:21:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] back in school In-Reply-To: References: <6674D42F55B14471A6DB682213DBF8B0@Hope> Message-ID: <92DFC7D37D6C446D8578285D57F98341@coreyPC> Hello all just a quick note to say as of today I am taking classes threw the University of Phoenix online. 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From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 19:50:18 2010 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 15:50:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> References: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> Message-ID: It isn't the idea of a threaded message that would prevent a screen reader from working, but the platform that you are using might play a part. I know jaws works with blackboard, but i have to click "create printable view" to read through threaded messages. As for the math, you should google the accessible graphing calculator. I used a reader as well. I know there are a lot of others who have taken more math than i, so i'm sure they can tell you a lot more. Cindy On 4/27/10, Maryann Migliorelli wrote: > Greetings Fellow students, > > I have two different questions for you. > > I have been told that there isn't a screen reader that will read higher > level math like graphs and accounting charts. Is this true, and, if so, > what sorts of accommodations do you use to get through the college level > math? > > > > Do any of you have classes that require you to participate in common thread > discussions? What do you do with your screen readers to read and > participate in them? Which screen readers are best for this activity? > > > > If it's easker, you can respond off list at > > mrsmigs at migliorelli.org > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, > > Maryann Migliorelli > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > From jbahm at pcdesk.net Tue Apr 27 20:20:44 2010 From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:20:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Howdy Chelsea, I know that for some people this is a blindness related issue. You might have even received the recommendation based on the blindness. However, for me this is not a blindness related thing. I would prefer a single room for the simple reason that I'm a very private person and I have a, ahem, unique personality. I would not want to share a room with anyone else if I had a choice in the matter. I think just about everyone I've met would be perfectly happy to avoid living with me as well if they had the choice, thank you. I think when you decide if you should try to get a single room, you should take factors other than the blindness into account. For example, you should factor in your personality, personal habbits you have (I have several that would irritate just about anyone who tried to live with me), and finances if single rooms and other types cost different amounts. - -- Joseph C. Lininger, On 4/24/2010 10:12 AM, Chelsea Cook wrote: > Hello NABSters, > > > I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy > getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested > by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will > have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've > shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. > What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an > enticing idea; just want a second opinion. > > Thanks, > Chelsea -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL10ccAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqQbAH/1a5xd1RMGgygVcxcBE3M617 NgG7ht0psIzTLVrclNMZhB66cQwNNv51anl+oEoYNJ2qP0F+CmDR2MuXZWdpwEde hEE5Xe7cQGfvpOZgQZ/rMzjGleOgm4yLr8+M5ErRwAvGLNf2Pb4lVZNjQbMRJPW/ IZGsZJ4BJlp3UEEFi2nnimj0p/10+p3xcrbASCbJhDoQW+4/OCNPgAzXfWw4wf4p A0vDTmn447bVpaU+HjbgXGn26G6hSaN5979a4RVcQy982X0ZUZ/UHy0Xz3glIsvu XbAf2qPkLvOiCci0bVyIV7gaFnnhmpsKBwxNEldTDXj9jBgDjtAdQYUQq+U0uTM= =thJ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jorgeapaez at mac.com Tue Apr 27 21:53:08 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:53:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? Message-ID: Beth: You make a very good point. However, there are now short-term alternatives to this. The KNFB-reader is an excellent device. Despite its rather high price, it might be useful for you if you do a lot of on-the-field paperwork. Its not a long term solution, I know, but its certainly something you can consider as a solution to any quick reading while on the job or study. Jorge From jorgeapaez at mac.com Tue Apr 27 22:03:00 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:03:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions Message-ID: As of yet, I am not aware of any screenreader that can read graphs or charts. You can ask at your local Apple store, as Voice Over (the Mac creenreader) may be able to read this, since Apple has a program to insert math equation and hig-level graphs into text documents and they're quite good at making that sorta stuff accessible. As far as the "common thread" stuff, it depends what system the use, but if its on line its accessible 90% of the time. Hope this helps. Jorge From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 22:23:39 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:23:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> References: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> Message-ID: Hi, Maryann, I don't know about accounting charts, but it is true that screen readers won't read graphs and math symbols. It typically works best for me to obtain higher-level math materials in braille, but if this is not feasible a reader can describe the graphs and read the math equations to me, which i can write down in braille. If you are talking about entire textbooks, it may be helpful to see whether the book is available from RFB&D. They typically do a pretty good job with reading the math equations and describing figures. As for participating in discussion threads, it depends on the web application your instructor use. If it takes place on an accessible forum, you can read it with JAWS as you would any other website. Hope that helps! Katie On 4/27/10, Maryann Migliorelli wrote: > Greetings Fellow students, > > I have two different questions for you. > > I have been told that there isn't a screen reader that will read higher > level math like graphs and accounting charts. Is this true, and, if so, > what sorts of accommodations do you use to get through the college level > math? > > > > Do any of you have classes that require you to participate in common thread > discussions? What do you do with your screen readers to read and > participate in them? Which screen readers are best for this activity? > > > > If it's easker, you can respond off list at > > mrsmigs at migliorelli.org > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, > > Maryann Migliorelli > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From dlawless86 at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 22:57:37 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:57:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi listers, Don't forget that a lot of counselors record their sessions so they can go back and analyze as well as make detailed notes. Domonique On 4/27/10, Jorge Paez wrote: > Beth: > You make a very good point. However, there are now short-term alternatives > to this. > The KNFB-reader is an excellent device. Despite its rather high price, it > might be useful for you if you do a lot of on-the-field paperwork. Its not a > long term solution, I know, but its certainly something you can consider as > a solution to any quick reading while on the job or study. > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Apr 27 23:16:58 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: THe KNFB reader is still expensive as you say. I'll be at CCB, so I'll be able to use the KNFB reader at some point. Beth On 4/27/10, Jorge Paez wrote: > Beth: > You make a very good point. However, there are now short-term alternatives > to this. > The KNFB-reader is an excellent device. Despite its rather high price, it > might be useful for you if you do a lot of on-the-field paperwork. Its not a > long term solution, I know, but its certainly something you can consider as > a solution to any quick reading while on the job or study. > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From jorgeapaez at mac.com Tue Apr 27 23:17:08 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:17:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions Message-ID: Also, There's a graphing software done by NASA which is free that you can fine on Google. Its completely accessible. Its only good for looking at long term trends though. It works like this. You type in the equation, then it shows you, threw audio ques how the graph goes. Just an FYI. Jorge From ccook01 at knology.net Wed Apr 28 00:29:41 2010 From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 20:29:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net> References: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <001201cae669$e4d43ef0$ae7cbcd0$@net> During my undergrad I had both single and roomatess. I perfer single rooms for the same reason Joseph gave. Also I had a guide dog in college and it did become an issue with the roommate. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph C. Lininger Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Howdy Chelsea, I know that for some people this is a blindness related issue. You might have even received the recommendation based on the blindness. However, for me this is not a blindness related thing. I would prefer a single room for the simple reason that I'm a very private person and I have a, ahem, unique personality. I would not want to share a room with anyone else if I had a choice in the matter. I think just about everyone I've met would be perfectly happy to avoid living with me as well if they had the choice, thank you. I think when you decide if you should try to get a single room, you should take factors other than the blindness into account. For example, you should factor in your personality, personal habbits you have (I have several that would irritate just about anyone who tried to live with me), and finances if single rooms and other types cost different amounts. - -- Joseph C. Lininger, On 4/24/2010 10:12 AM, Chelsea Cook wrote: > Hello NABSters, > > > I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy > getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested > by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will > have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've > shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. > What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an > enticing idea; just want a second opinion. > > Thanks, > Chelsea -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL10ccAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqQbAH/1a5xd1RMGgygVcxcBE3M617 NgG7ht0psIzTLVrclNMZhB66cQwNNv51anl+oEoYNJ2qP0F+CmDR2MuXZWdpwEde hEE5Xe7cQGfvpOZgQZ/rMzjGleOgm4yLr8+M5ErRwAvGLNf2Pb4lVZNjQbMRJPW/ IZGsZJ4BJlp3UEEFi2nnimj0p/10+p3xcrbASCbJhDoQW+4/OCNPgAzXfWw4wf4p A0vDTmn447bVpaU+HjbgXGn26G6hSaN5979a4RVcQy982X0ZUZ/UHy0Xz3glIsvu XbAf2qPkLvOiCci0bVyIV7gaFnnhmpsKBwxNEldTDXj9jBgDjtAdQYUQq+U0uTM= =thJ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.ne t From parnell at sccoast.net Wed Apr 28 00:51:56 2010 From: parnell at sccoast.net (Parnell and Kim Diggs) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 19:51:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Blind Driver Challenge Launches Facebook Page! Message-ID: NFB Blind Driver Challenge Launches Facebook Page! Today marks the launch of the official NFB Blind Driver Challenge Facebook page! Stay up-to-date on all the latest news, videos, and photos relating to the Blind Driver Challenge and the Race for Independence by becoming a fan of the page on Facebook. As a fan, you will receive live updates from the Blind Driver Challenge in your newsfeed. We will be updating the page continuously; when there is breaking news or exciting new content, you will be among the first to know! Become a fan of the Blind Driver Challenge by visiting the Blind Driver Challenge Facebook page now! The Facebook page can also be used as a fundraising tool for the Race for Independence! Send the page to your friends and family to encourage them to learn more about the Race and the Blind Driver Challenge. In addition to the Facebook page, you can get updates on the Blind Driver Challenge and the Race for Independence by following us on Twitter (www.twitter.com/nfb_voice) or visiting our YouTube page (www.youtube.com/nations_blind). And it is not too late to join the Race for Independence! To sign up to be an Imaginator and help build the Imagination Fund, please visit www.raceforindependence.org or call (410) 659-9314, extension 2371. Parnell Diggs, Chairman National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NFB Blind Driver Challenge Launches Facebook Page.doc Type: application/msword Size: 26112 bytes Desc: not available URL: From trillian551 at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 02:18:02 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:18:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking alternative techniques for working with problems with couples? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, I am currently studying psychology with the hope of one day being a clinical psychologist. While observation is a part of diagnosis, it is not the only, or most important part. When diagnosing someone all psychologist have to make sure a patient meet certain criteria that are described in the DSM Iv, while some do rely on whether a patient looked a certain way, held a certain position, made the same repeated movement over and over, you can pick up on this without seeing. a person with major depression for example, will probably sound listless, and though you can't see the desolate look in their eyes on their face you can hear it in their voice. I have worked with people who have post-traumatic syndrome, and trust me, being able to see someone's body language isn't the only thing that counts. There are so many visual cues that we pick up on without even noticing, and it's a skill that you can hone and get a lot better at. Think of your parents for example, how did they know what you were doing even though they were in the kitchen and you thought you were in the privacy of your room? My suggestion is to go out in the field and find professional who have been doing counceling for a while. Ask them about how they know their patients needs, how do they go about assessing their patients, and you'll start to get a real feel of what the profession is like. If you are going to grad school for psych, you will probably have to conduct an observational study, but remember, it is all your design and work. And you might need someone to describe a behavior but in the end you are the one coding and rating those behaviors and interpreting their meaning. And one last thing, sometimes the fact that you can't see a person who is coming to tell you some of their most intimate details, which makes them vulnerable, makes the patient more comfortable. I think that definitely with the proper training and experience anyone can be quite successful as a councelor or psychologist. Vision is truly not necessary in a propfession that after a while depends a lot on instict as well as scientific knowledge that anyone can acquire and with the proper education can understand and apply. Yours, Mary On 4/27/10, Beth wrote: > THe KNFB reader is still expensive as you say. I'll be at CCB, so > I'll be able to use the KNFB reader at some point. > Beth > > On 4/27/10, Jorge Paez wrote: >> Beth: >> You make a very good point. However, there are now short-term alternatives >> to this. >> The KNFB-reader is an excellent device. Despite its rather high price, it >> might be useful for you if you do a lot of on-the-field paperwork. Its not >> a >> long term solution, I know, but its certainly something you can consider >> as >> a solution to any quick reading while on the job or study. >> >> Jorge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 In reaffirming the greatness of our nation, we understand that greatness is never a given. It must be earned. President Barack Obama From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Apr 28 03:35:04 2010 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:35:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions In-Reply-To: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> References: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> Message-ID: Hi Maryann, When I took a math class a few semesters ago, I used a very good reader who would read me the problems as well as write down my answers. It was the only option available to me at the time, so I simply made the best of it. I believe it is more important to understand the basic concepts that go into creating a graph rather than just simply being able to create one on a calculator. As far as reading messages on a threaded post, there should be different display options for viewing your posts. Simply choose the one that works best for you while reading through them with a screen reader. I generally choose a printable version of the entire message thread to read through the messages. If you are using the Angel platform system, there should be a tutorial that helps you learn how to navigate through the site. I’ve never really encountered any major problems as far as accessibility is concerned while using the site. Elizabeth > From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:12:40 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions > > Greetings Fellow students, > > I have two different questions for you. > > I have been told that there isn't a screen reader that will read higher > level math like graphs and accounting charts. Is this true, and, if so, > what sorts of accommodations do you use to get through the college level > math? > > > > Do any of you have classes that require you to participate in common thread > discussions? What do you do with your screen readers to read and > participate in them? Which screen readers are best for this activity? > > > > If it's easker, you can respond off list at > > mrsmigs at migliorelli.org > > > > Thanks for the help. > > Regards, > > Maryann Migliorelli > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Apr 28 04:05:10 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 00:05:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions Message-ID: <20100428040510.30518.68529@web3> Where would one find that? Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Also, > There's a graphing software done by NASA which is free that you can > fine on Google. > Its completely accessible. > Its only good for looking at long term trends though. > It works like this. > You type in the equation, then it shows you, threw audio ques how the > graph goes. > Just an FYI. > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From clinton.waterbury at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 13:29:26 2010 From: clinton.waterbury at gmail.com (clinton waterbury) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:29:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions In-Reply-To: References: <000001cae63d$9c2fc3d0$d48f4b70$@org> Message-ID: <55D41EB6-C411-4DED-A58D-3E0738DB8EDF@gmail.com> I don't know about the whole no screen reader reading graphs, but when I have taken classes where I've had to post or read messages in a thread, I just did a printable view of the message I was trying to read. On Apr 27, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Elizabeth wrote: > > Hi Maryann, > > When I took a math class a few semesters ago, I used a very good reader who would read me the problems as well as write down my answers. It was the only option available to me at the time, so I simply made the best of it. I believe it is more important to understand the basic concepts that go into creating a graph rather than just simply being able to create one on a calculator. > > As far as reading messages on a threaded post, there should be different display options for viewing your posts. Simply choose the one that works best for you while reading through them with a screen reader. I generally choose a printable version of the entire message thread to read through the messages. If you are using the Angel platform system, there should be a tutorial that helps you learn how to navigate through the site. I’ve never really encountered any major problems as far as accessibility is concerned while using the site. > > Elizabeth > > >> From: mrsmigs at migliorelli.org >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:12:40 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility questions >> >> Greetings Fellow students, >> >> I have two different questions for you. >> >> I have been told that there isn't a screen reader that will read higher >> level math like graphs and accounting charts. Is this true, and, if so, >> what sorts of accommodations do you use to get through the college level >> math? >> >> >> >> Do any of you have classes that require you to participate in common thread >> discussions? What do you do with your screen readers to read and >> participate in them? Which screen readers are best for this activity? >> >> >> >> If it's easker, you can respond off list at >> >> mrsmigs at migliorelli.org >> >> >> >> Thanks for the help. >> >> Regards, >> >> Maryann Migliorelli >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clinton.waterbury%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Wed Apr 28 19:40:45 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:40:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard Message-ID: <0B4BD900EA2B4170A664E7CA2A0E56CF@Serene> Hey nabsters, I'm thinking of getting a BraileNote Apex, the latest in the BN family. I'm thinking about the pros and cons of using a Braille style keyboard and those of using a computer style keyboard. Besides simply being used to the keyboard you have now, have you found any pros and/or cons to using either keyboard? One con of using a computer keyboard might be getting out of the habit of writing grade 2 Braille. (Don't worry ... I'll still remember my Nemeth Code when taking Statistics in the next year or two!) Does this really matter in such a computer-based society? Thanks, Serena From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Wed Apr 28 19:59:39 2010 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 12:59:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions References: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net> <001201cae669$e4d43ef0$ae7cbcd0$@net> Message-ID: Do you mind sharing what you mean by the dog becoming a problem with the roommate? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Cook" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions > During my undergrad I had both single and roomatess. > I perfer single rooms for the same reason Joseph gave. > Also I had a guide dog in college and it did become an issue with the > roommate. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joseph C. Lininger > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Howdy Chelsea, > I know that for some people this is a blindness related issue. You might > have even received the recommendation based on the blindness. However, > for me this is not a blindness related thing. I would prefer a single > room for the simple reason that I'm a very private person and I have a, > ahem, unique personality. I would not want to share a room with anyone > else if I had a choice in the matter. I think just about everyone I've > met would be perfectly happy to avoid living with me as well if they had > the choice, thank you. I think when you decide if you should try to get > a single room, you should take factors other than the blindness into > account. For example, you should factor in your personality, personal > habbits you have (I have several that would irritate just about anyone > who tried to live with me), and finances if single rooms and other types > cost different amounts. > - -- > Joseph C. Lininger, > On 4/24/2010 10:12 AM, Chelsea Cook wrote: >> Hello NABSters, >> >> >> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >> >> Thanks, >> Chelsea > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL10ccAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqQbAH/1a5xd1RMGgygVcxcBE3M617 > NgG7ht0psIzTLVrclNMZhB66cQwNNv51anl+oEoYNJ2qP0F+CmDR2MuXZWdpwEde > hEE5Xe7cQGfvpOZgQZ/rMzjGleOgm4yLr8+M5ErRwAvGLNf2Pb4lVZNjQbMRJPW/ > IZGsZJ4BJlp3UEEFi2nnimj0p/10+p3xcrbASCbJhDoQW+4/OCNPgAzXfWw4wf4p > A0vDTmn447bVpaU+HjbgXGn26G6hSaN5979a4RVcQy982X0ZUZ/UHy0Xz3glIsvu > XbAf2qPkLvOiCci0bVyIV7gaFnnhmpsKBwxNEldTDXj9jBgDjtAdQYUQq+U0uTM= > =thJ5 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From brileyp at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 20:26:53 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:26:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: References: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net> <001201cae669$e4d43ef0$ae7cbcd0$@net> Message-ID: <5022192D-C441-4C0D-97AA-23A2E946B393@gmail.com> Sometimes, especially in small confined spaces, it can get cramped with two people and a dog. It can create conflict over issues like space and dog hair, etc. On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote: > Do you mind sharing what you mean by the dog becoming a problem with the roommate? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Cook" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions > > >> During my undergrad I had both single and roomatess. >> I perfer single rooms for the same reason Joseph gave. >> Also I had a guide dog in college and it did become an issue with the >> roommate. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joseph C. Lininger >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA256 >> >> Howdy Chelsea, >> I know that for some people this is a blindness related issue. You might >> have even received the recommendation based on the blindness. However, >> for me this is not a blindness related thing. I would prefer a single >> room for the simple reason that I'm a very private person and I have a, >> ahem, unique personality. I would not want to share a room with anyone >> else if I had a choice in the matter. I think just about everyone I've >> met would be perfectly happy to avoid living with me as well if they had >> the choice, thank you. I think when you decide if you should try to get >> a single room, you should take factors other than the blindness into >> account. For example, you should factor in your personality, personal >> habbits you have (I have several that would irritate just about anyone >> who tried to live with me), and finances if single rooms and other types >> cost different amounts. >> - -- Joseph C. Lininger, >> On 4/24/2010 10:12 AM, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>> Hello NABSters, >>> >>> >>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Chelsea >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >> >> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL10ccAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqQbAH/1a5xd1RMGgygVcxcBE3M617 >> NgG7ht0psIzTLVrclNMZhB66cQwNNv51anl+oEoYNJ2qP0F+CmDR2MuXZWdpwEde >> hEE5Xe7cQGfvpOZgQZ/rMzjGleOgm4yLr8+M5ErRwAvGLNf2Pb4lVZNjQbMRJPW/ >> IZGsZJ4BJlp3UEEFi2nnimj0p/10+p3xcrbASCbJhDoQW+4/OCNPgAzXfWw4wf4p >> A0vDTmn447bVpaU+HjbgXGn26G6hSaN5979a4RVcQy982X0ZUZ/UHy0Xz3glIsvu >> XbAf2qPkLvOiCci0bVyIV7gaFnnhmpsKBwxNEldTDXj9jBgDjtAdQYUQq+U0uTM= >> =thJ5 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.ne >> t >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From jbahm at pcdesk.net Wed Apr 28 20:40:27 2010 From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:40:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions In-Reply-To: <5022192D-C441-4C0D-97AA-23A2E946B393@gmail.com> References: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net> <001201cae669$e4d43ef0$ae7cbcd0$@net> <5022192D-C441-4C0D-97AA-23A2E946B393@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BD89D3B.3020908@pcdesk.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I could also see it becoming a problem if the room mate is not a dog person. Specifically if they just can't stand dogs. Or if they've got some sort of alergy and it's a really bad one. In something like a college dorm room, yeah. Both of those could pose a problem and be a breeding ground for conflicts. - -- They say god has always been. Linux and I will now disprove that: $ ar m God ar: creating God There you have it. God was created by the ar program. Good news is, God really does exist! Joseph C. Lininger, On 4/28/2010 2:26 PM, Briley Pollard wrote: > Sometimes, especially in small confined spaces, it can get cramped with two people and a dog. It can create conflict over issues like space and dog hair, etc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL2J07AAoJEMh8jNraUiwq3dMH/jxZUnpD6kJ62MmjWH6CowXi nXTf9jK/n8VGyTb7AGM4p9skcsupaaUBmoKdRdNZ2dyqBOyIFfQzAO49sXdtfaXI Xpn0kWpECvs6sCZB++h5IfRP7/3RLEOMzPc5UtUji6/e1mOiI5sg6koFQerIUqg0 XH9JmJALWxu5/djCIF2iC3p96TZehamA4cLzIkeDHEULIGumR1GM33wJXSDqrN9S RnijoEdPsJPBjB6ElHf+pP0BchuG/J5qvUWSdDPdQq1uP73dcaUx7GE0qGKx48w8 YcMs8+/HIUb/pwJgkM7S21TeHmH0qidknigcfKvKRorjE7cwJikWRYk/NflXTao= =9Dht -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From clinton.waterbury at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 21:57:09 2010 From: clinton.waterbury at gmail.com (clinton waterbury) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:57:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard In-Reply-To: <0B4BD900EA2B4170A664E7CA2A0E56CF@Serene> References: <0B4BD900EA2B4170A664E7CA2A0E56CF@Serene> Message-ID: <159F224D-7CD0-4CAC-B444-C6D819869A9D@gmail.com> I do have a couple of pros and cons to using either keyboard, but I'll start with the pros first. 1: you can type in grade 2 braille, but that's kinda obvious, but it works. 2: You are able to copy the dot combinations you need in nemeth code. And now for the cons. 1: you can only type so fast on a braille keyboard, and it can sometimes be annoying if you are trying to keep up with an instructor while taking notes, and you end up missing a lot of things. 2: If You need to be able to type in for example, a back slash, you tend to have problems with that on a braille keyboard, as the dots coming up on the display are looking right but you can't really replicate the same pattern on the keyboard or the input comes up as gibberish in a file. As far as the standard qwerty keyboard is concerned, you can type much faster on that than you can the braille keyboard. The only con to the qwerty keyboard is that you are, of course, not able to type in braille unless you have braille keys turned on on the braille'note. On Apr 28, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Serena wrote: > Hey nabsters, > > I'm thinking of getting a BraileNote Apex, the latest in the BN family. I'm thinking about the pros and cons of using a Braille style keyboard and those of using a computer style keyboard. Besides simply being used to the keyboard you have now, have you found any pros and/or cons to using either keyboard? One con of using a computer keyboard might be getting out of the habit of writing grade 2 Braille. (Don't worry ... I'll still remember my Nemeth Code when taking Statistics in the next year or two!) Does this really matter in such a computer-based society? > > Thanks, > Serena > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clinton.waterbury%40gmail.com From jorgeapaez at mac.com Wed Apr 28 21:59:03 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:59:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard Message-ID: <93F33BE1-6948-4CF6-86B4-F6055B0EEDB0@mac.com> Well, it really depends. I have used a computer keyboard a lot with my laptop, but like the ability to write grade 2 braille. Part of it is the ability to type entire words, being able to take notes a lot faster--only typing one sign for the, etc. The thing is, I haven't been used to a computer keyboard on a notebook device, so I'd go for braille just because I know it better, but in your case it may depend. However, I wouldn't recommend you rely souly on the Apex. In my experience the note has been perfect for taking notes and that's about it--(E.G. completely failing at Internet except at my home network), though they claim they have made improvements. My best bet is go for which ever one you feel better, but try and get a--or take your laptop as a backup. Jorge From jorgeapaez at mac.com Wed Apr 28 22:05:22 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:05:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio-graphing Calculator Message-ID: Hi All. In my last post re: graphing I mentioned a graphing calculator but I said I wasn't sure where it was. Here's the link for anyone interested http://prime.jsc.nasa.gov/mathtrax/ According to the site, it can do graphs, plot data files and physics simulations. Jorge From hope.paulos at maine.edu Wed Apr 28 22:07:40 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:07:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions References: <4BD7471C.1000407@pcdesk.net><001201cae669$e4d43ef0$ae7cbcd0$@net> <5022192D-C441-4C0D-97AA-23A2E946B393@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B9485AF152143718362AE96B0D46B59@Hope> I agree. If you have a dog, having a single room allows you and the dog to go and destress. This might not be possible if you have a roomate. I'd always ask for single rooms. I like people, but my dog and I both need our space. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions > Sometimes, especially in small confined spaces, it can get cramped with > two people and a dog. It can create conflict over issues like space and > dog hair, etc. > On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:59 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote: > >> Do you mind sharing what you mean by the dog becoming a problem with the >> roommate? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corey Cook" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions >> >> >>> During my undergrad I had both single and roomatess. >>> I perfer single rooms for the same reason Joseph gave. >>> Also I had a guide dog in college and it did become an issue with the >>> roommate. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joseph C. Lininger >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 4:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Single Room: Opinions >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA256 >>> >>> Howdy Chelsea, >>> I know that for some people this is a blindness related issue. You might >>> have even received the recommendation based on the blindness. However, >>> for me this is not a blindness related thing. I would prefer a single >>> room for the simple reason that I'm a very private person and I have a, >>> ahem, unique personality. I would not want to share a room with anyone >>> else if I had a choice in the matter. I think just about everyone I've >>> met would be perfectly happy to avoid living with me as well if they had >>> the choice, thank you. I think when you decide if you should try to get >>> a single room, you should take factors other than the blindness into >>> account. For example, you should factor in your personality, personal >>> habbits you have (I have several that would irritate just about anyone >>> who tried to live with me), and finances if single rooms and other types >>> cost different amounts. >>> - -- Joseph C. Lininger, >>> On 4/24/2010 10:12 AM, Chelsea Cook wrote: >>>> Hello NABSters, >>>> >>>> >>>> I will be starting college next fall. Likewise, I've been very busy >>>> getting everything worked out! Something brought up: It was suggested >>>> by a few blind friends that I try and obtain a single room (I will >>>> have many computers and a lot of Braille for my physics major.) I've >>>> shared a room before and totally intend to participate in dorm life. >>>> What do you guys think? From a practical standpoint, it seems like an >>>> enticing idea; just want a second opinion. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Chelsea >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) >>> >>> iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJL10ccAAoJEMh8jNraUiwqQbAH/1a5xd1RMGgygVcxcBE3M617 >>> NgG7ht0psIzTLVrclNMZhB66cQwNNv51anl+oEoYNJ2qP0F+CmDR2MuXZWdpwEde >>> hEE5Xe7cQGfvpOZgQZ/rMzjGleOgm4yLr8+M5ErRwAvGLNf2Pb4lVZNjQbMRJPW/ >>> IZGsZJ4BJlp3UEEFi2nnimj0p/10+p3xcrbASCbJhDoQW+4/OCNPgAzXfWw4wf4p >>> A0vDTmn447bVpaU+HjbgXGn26G6hSaN5979a4RVcQy982X0ZUZ/UHy0Xz3glIsvu >>> XbAf2qPkLvOiCci0bVyIV7gaFnnhmpsKBwxNEldTDXj9jBgDjtAdQYUQq+U0uTM= >>> =thJ5 >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.ne >>> t >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From clinton.waterbury at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 22:55:42 2010 From: clinton.waterbury at gmail.com (clinton waterbury) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:55:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard In-Reply-To: <93F33BE1-6948-4CF6-86B4-F6055B0EEDB0@mac.com> References: <93F33BE1-6948-4CF6-86B4-F6055B0EEDB0@mac.com> Message-ID: This is true, but why take a laptop when that would be duplicating what you're using the bn/pac mate or what ever you want to use as a notetaker? You could just turn around and get a braille display that connects up to a laptop for reading braille for the price you pay for something that does word processing and all that kind of stuff like the bn does, but that's a matter of personal preference. On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Well, > it really depends. > I have used a computer keyboard a lot with my laptop, but like the ability to write grade 2 braille. > Part of it is the ability to type entire words, being able to take notes a lot faster--only typing one sign for the, etc. > The thing is, I haven't been used to a computer keyboard on a notebook device, so I'd go for braille just because I know it better, but in your case it may depend. > However, I wouldn't recommend you rely souly on the Apex. > In my experience the note has been perfect for taking notes and that's about it--(E.G. completely failing at Internet except at my home network), though they claim they have made improvements. > My best bet is go for which ever one you feel better, but try and get a--or take your laptop as a backup. > > Jorge > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clinton.waterbury%40gmail.com From jorgeapaez at mac.com Wed Apr 28 22:55:57 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:55:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Message-ID: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> Hi all. I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window cause we'd have to switch companies) Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks. Jorge From jorgeapaez at mac.com Wed Apr 28 23:16:07 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:16:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard Message-ID: <2A728936-E25B-471B-B727-CD6D0A220B2C@mac.com> Good point Clinton, I didn't think of it that way. Then in that case, I'd suggest the Apex. Jorge From missheather at comcast.net Thu Apr 29 00:11:08 2010 From: missheather at comcast.net (H. Field) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:11:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard References: <0B4BD900EA2B4170A664E7CA2A0E56CF@Serene> Message-ID: <89B82239E4D046F193D4955ED2B88C75@heathersony> Hello, In my experiece the speed whith which one uses their keyboard in not decided by the key-board one is using. This is determined by the profficiency of the key-board user. I personally am much faster on a braille key-board, even though my everyday method is the computer key-board. I have heard the occasional complaint that the braille notetakers have slightly noisy key-boards in the lecture setting but disturbing others can be avoided by sitting up the front. Regards, Heather Vield ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard Hey nabsters, I'm thinking of getting a BraileNote Apex, the latest in the BN family. I'm thinking about the pros and cons of using a Braille style keyboard and those of using a computer style keyboard. Besides simply being used to the keyboard you have now, have you found any pros and/or cons to using either keyboard? One con of using a computer keyboard might be getting out of the habit of writing grade 2 Braille. (Don't worry ... I'll still remember my Nemeth Code when taking Statistics in the next year or two!) Does this really matter in such a computer-based society? Thanks, Serena _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net From stephen at independentliving.com Thu Apr 29 01:01:47 2010 From: stephen at independentliving.com (Stephen Guerra) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:01:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This week on The Guerra Show, Sunday, May 2, 2010 Curtis Chong Message-ID: On Sunday night I am honored and excited to welcome Curtis Chong to The Guerra Show. Join me as we explore all that Curtis has done-- not only for himself but for collectively the greater community of people who may be blind or visually impaired. Curtis Chong is a dedicated member and a leader in The National Federation of the Blind Curtis is totally blind. He has spent more than thirty years of his life pushing the boundaries of nonvisual access technology. Join me as I welcome Curtis Chong and our chat that begins at 9 PM Eastern this Sunday night, May 2, 2010. "The Guerra Show" Stephen Guerra, Host Contact me at: Send email to the Inbox of The Guerra Show Call in live to speak with Stephen at: (866) 739-3668 Listen Live starting at 9 PM Eastern on ACBRadio to The Guerra Show click here to follow "The Guerra Show" on Twitter Check out the "The Guerra Show" Blog at: The Guerra Show Blog check out "The Guerra Show" Web Site at: The Guerra show From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Apr 29 00:32:09 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:32:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> Message-ID: If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Hi all. > I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several > things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending on > what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, > specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the > Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain > books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do the > classwork for that day. > Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? > > The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, > the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against > having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, I'm > always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my parents > its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but if I can > do this by myself why not? > > What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? > > (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window > cause we'd have to switch companies) > > Any feedback is appreciated. > > > Thanks. > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From dandrews at visi.com Thu Apr 29 01:03:51 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 20:03:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ENVISION JOB ANNOUNCEMENT - TVI Message-ID: > > The Envision Child Development Center is looking for a Teacher, >Visually Impaired (TVI). To express interest in this position, go to >www.envisionus.com and click on "employment." A job description >follows. > > > > > >Job Function: > >Provides daily learning experiences appropriate to the developmental >level of visually impaired children as well as typically developing >children (ages 3 to 5). Experiences shall be designed to develop: >self-esteem and positive self-image, social interaction skills, >self-expression and communication skills, creative experience, large and >small muscle skills and intellectual growth. > > Essential Functions: > >* Coordinates curriculum and develops lesson plans for the >purpose of presenting and/or reinforcing learning concepts relative to >the children's needs and KDHE requirements. > >* Confers with parents, Director, testing specialists, clinic >specialists, and others to develop individual education plans for >children with visual impairments. > >* Instructs children in pre-reading and pre-writing skills using >magnification equipment and large print material or Braille system >and/or computer aids. > >* Reviews and corrects completed assignments, using appropriate >aids based on children's needs. > >* Arranges for and conducts field trips designed to promote an >understanding of community opportunities and experiences. > >* Instructs children in academic subject areas and daily living >skills, such as hygiene, safety and mobility. > >* Encourages children to participate in verbal and sensory >classroom learning experiences to ensure their comprehension of subject >matter, development of social skills, and ability to identify objects >encountered in daily living. > >* Meets with parents to discuss how parents can encourage >child's independence and well-being and to provide guidance to using >community resources. > >* Directs the activity of assigned paraprofessionals. > > > > > >Education and/or Experience: > >* BS in education, preferable in early childhood development or >special education or teacher of the visually impaired. > >* A minimum of three years experience working with young >children with special needs, particularly visual impairments. > >* Experience with home based programs and preschool settings a >plus. > >Physical Demands: > >The physical demands described here are representative of those that >must be met by an employee to successfully perform the essential >functions of this job. > >* Regularly required to talk and hear > >* Frequently required to sit, use hands and fingers to handle, >feel and reach > >* Occasionally required to stand, walk, climb, balance/stoop, >kneel and crouch or crawl > >* Must occasionally lift and/or move up to 25 pounds > >Note: This job summary does not imply that these are the only duties to >be performed. Other tasks may be required as assigned for the effective >operation of the department. > > > > > >Kevin Burton >Envision >Employment Representative - Recruiter >2301 S. Water >Wichita, Kansas 67213 >Phone (316) 425-7119 >Fax (316) 425-7176 From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu Apr 29 02:27:08 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:27:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Message-ID: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1> Jorge, I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hi all. > I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering > several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, > depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there > are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still > happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to > read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned > yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. > Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? > The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the > like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not > against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the > thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? > With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say > anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? > What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? > (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window > cause we'd have to switch companies) > Any feedback is appreciated. > Thanks. > Jorge > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Apr 29 04:25:27 2010 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:25:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> Message-ID: Jorje, I used the KNFB Reader during my final year of college and it certainly helped out in exactly the types of situations you described. While there are other solutions, the reader is the most portable. No cell phone plan is required to use the reader, and you will still be able to use other parts of the phone such as the calendar, notes, media player, and calculator without service. Wi-fi is also included for connectivity with the Internet. Also, if money is a concern, there are a few options. First, as others have said, some commissions for the blind have purchased KNFB Reader Mobiles for their clients, and I feel this is certainly a worthwhile investment. If you need help with writing a letter to your local counselor explaining some reasons or justifactions as they call it for purchasing a reader, please let me know. In addition, the NFB has a low interest loan program which your parents may be interested in. Write me off list if you need more details on this. Hope this helps. J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't have > to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going > to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, (something > I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the > Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorge Paez" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Hi all. >> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several >> things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending >> on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, >> specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the >> Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain >> books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do >> the classwork for that day. >> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >> >> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >> if I can do this by myself why not? >> >> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >> >> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >> cause we'd have to switch companies) >> >> Any feedback is appreciated. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jorge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 29 05:00:41 2010 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:00:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard References: <93F33BE1-6948-4CF6-86B4-F6055B0EEDB0@mac.com> Message-ID: Some people prefer to use an electronic notetaker such as the BrailleNote because the accessibility is built in and they like the simplicity when all that is really needed is taking notes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "clinton waterbury" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard > This is true, but why take a laptop when that would be duplicating what > you're using the bn/pac mate or what ever you want to use as a notetaker? > You could just turn around and get a braille display that connects up to a > laptop for reading braille for the price you pay for something that does > word processing and all that kind of stuff like the bn does, but that's a > matter of personal preference. > On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > >> Well, >> it really depends. >> I have used a computer keyboard a lot with my laptop, but like the >> ability to write grade 2 braille. >> Part of it is the ability to type entire words, being able to take notes >> a lot faster--only typing one sign for the, etc. >> The thing is, I haven't been used to a computer keyboard on a notebook >> device, so I'd go for braille just because I know it better, but in your >> case it may depend. >> However, I wouldn't recommend you rely souly on the Apex. >> In my experience the note has been perfect for taking notes and that's >> about it--(E.G. completely failing at Internet except at my home >> network), though they claim they have made improvements. >> My best bet is go for which ever one you feel better, but try and get >> a--or take your laptop as a backup. >> >> Jorge >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clinton.waterbury%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Thu Apr 29 05:11:23 2010 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:11:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing Calculators Message-ID: Per the discussion about graphs and charts: 1. I have used the AGC in the past, but do not remember all of the specifics. It is self-voicing, so you do not have to worry about screen readers. It has audio feedback as well as displaying a table of values. It can be used to analyze an equation or fit an equation to data. It also works as a regular calculator and even has matrix capabilities. 2. The calculator from NASA is called MathTrax. It is good for analyzing a graph for which you have an equation. It will give a mathematical analysis of the graph. For example, typing the equation for an ellipse will display information such as the foci and semi menor and major axes. It also has audio feedback. 3. Excel If you are looking to analyse data and want it in a format that sighted people can easily use, Excel offers some information. If you graph the data, JAWS will provide some information about the graph. After an equation is fit to the data, the JAWS cursor can be used to read the equation. I have briefly experienced another miniature Braille display that displayed graphs. However, I do not recall the name of it, nor do I know the capabilities the program with which it was used. From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 29 12:35:12 2010 From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention Roommate Needed Message-ID: <14134.27746.qm@web46415.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello NABS Group! I am trying to help one of our people in Delaware find a male roommate. He is a 21 year old young man that is planning to attend convention again this year. He already has his room but needs a roommate for a double room. We are planning to come in on Friday July 02 and leave on Friday July 09. If anyone is looking for a roommate please contact me off line at nabs_delawaredivision at yahoo.com Thanks for your help! Sincerely Yours, Catherine Newman DABS President From freethaught at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 14:24:38 2010 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:24:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> Message-ID: No other device allows users to snap a reading picture of class hand outs like the KNFB Reader. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Student, Western Governors University (617) 744-9716 Eastern time zone ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Jorje, > I used the KNFB Reader during my final year of college and it certainly > helped out in exactly the types of situations you described. While there > are other solutions, the reader is the most portable. No cell phone plan > is required to use the reader, and you will still be able to use other > parts of the phone such as the calendar, notes, media player, and > calculator without service. Wi-fi is also included for connectivity with > the Internet. > > Also, if money is a concern, there are a few options. First, as others > have said, some commissions for the blind have purchased KNFB Reader > Mobiles for their clients, and I feel this is certainly a worthwhile > investment. If you need help with writing a letter to your local counselor > explaining some reasons or justifactions as they call it for purchasing a > reader, please let me know. In addition, the NFB has a low interest loan > program which your parents may be interested in. Write me off list if you > need more details on this. > Hope this helps. > > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serena" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >> have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're >> going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >> (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, >> the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >> >> Serena >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jorge Paez" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hi all. >>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens >>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have >>> to do the classwork for that day. >>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>> >>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>> >>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>> >>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>> >>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > From valandkayla at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 15:41:42 2010 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:41:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader In-Reply-To: References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> Message-ID: <3535FE0F-0540-471B-B760-AF7AD9B446A4@gmail.com> you watch.they'll be coming out with an Iphone ap like that soon enough, if they haven't already On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > No other device allows users to snap a reading picture of class hand outs like the KNFB Reader. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > Student, Western Governors University > (617) 744-9716 > Eastern time zone > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Jorje, >> I used the KNFB Reader during my final year of college and it certainly helped out in exactly the types of situations you described. While there are other solutions, the reader is the most portable. No cell phone plan is required to use the reader, and you will still be able to use other parts of the phone such as the calendar, notes, media player, and calculator without service. Wi-fi is also included for connectivity with the Internet. >> >> Also, if money is a concern, there are a few options. First, as others have said, some commissions for the blind have purchased KNFB Reader Mobiles for their clients, and I feel this is certainly a worthwhile investment. If you need help with writing a letter to your local counselor explaining some reasons or justifactions as they call it for purchasing a reader, please let me know. In addition, the NFB has a low interest loan program which your parents may be interested in. Write me off list if you need more details on this. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>> >>> Serena >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 16:04:22 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:04:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader In-Reply-To: <3535FE0F-0540-471B-B760-AF7AD9B446A4@gmail.com> References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> <3535FE0F-0540-471B-B760-AF7AD9B446A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: There are already apps for Windows phones that let you photograph business cards and scan them directly into your Contacts. I agree it's only a matter of time before there are apps that let you scan with the same mainstream efficiency as ABBYY Finereader, etc. The concept of purchasing a phone for the sole purpose of scanning documents that are passable at best for the price they charge is mind-boggling. Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader you watch.they'll be coming out with an Iphone ap like that soon enough, if they haven't already On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > No other device allows users to snap a reading picture of class hand outs like the KNFB Reader. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > Student, Western Governors University > (617) 744-9716 > Eastern time zone > ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:25 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Jorje, >> I used the KNFB Reader during my final year of college and it certainly helped out in exactly the types of situations you described. While there are other solutions, the reader is the most portable. No cell phone plan is required to use the reader, and you will still be able to use other parts of the phone such as the calendar, notes, media player, and calculator without service. Wi-fi is also included for connectivity with the Internet. >> >> Also, if money is a concern, there are a few options. First, as others have said, some commissions for the blind have purchased KNFB Reader Mobiles for their clients, and I feel this is certainly a worthwhile investment. If you need help with writing a letter to your local counselor explaining some reasons or justifactions as they call it for purchasing a reader, please let me know. In addition, the NFB has a low interest loan program which your parents may be interested in. Write me off list if you need more details on this. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>> >>> Serena >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacu cco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes tmidi.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethau ght%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandka yla%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5072 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5072 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From hope.paulos at maine.edu Thu Apr 29 16:26:26 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:26:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1> Message-ID: <6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the knfb reader cost? Thanks so much! Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jedi" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Jorge, > > I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save documents > as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. If > you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid > plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the > phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities > themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school years > would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > Original message: >> Hi all. >> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several >> things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending >> on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, >> specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the >> Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain >> books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do >> the classwork for that day. >> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? > >> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >> if I can do this by myself why not? > >> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? > >> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >> cause we'd have to switch companies) > >> Any feedback is appreciated. > > >> Thanks. > >> Jorge > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Apr 29 16:58:58 2010 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:58:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com><3535FE0F-0540-471B-B760-AF7AD9B446A4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A85F175A19A46998177A3076F6C7BBD@jage> Absolutely, and I can't wait for this day. It's certainly nice to have a very workable solution in the meantime and to see the advancements in technology. This joins a long list of new innovations which blind people had before practically anyone else including OCR, text-to-speech, GPS, and many more. J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > There are already apps for Windows phones that let you photograph business > cards and scan them directly into your Contacts. I agree it's only a > matter > of time before there are apps that let you scan with the same mainstream > efficiency as ABBYY Finereader, etc. The concept of purchasing a phone > for > the sole purpose of scanning documents that are passable at best for the > price they charge is mind-boggling. > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Valerie Gibson > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:42 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > you watch.they'll be coming out with an Iphone ap like that > soon enough, if they haven't already > On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:24 AM, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. wrote: > >> No other device allows users to snap a reading picture of > class hand outs like the KNFB Reader. >> >> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >> >> Student, Western Governors University >> (617) 744-9716 >> Eastern time zone >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Jorje, >>> I used the KNFB Reader during my final year of college and > it certainly helped out in exactly the types of situations you > described. While there are other solutions, the reader is the > most portable. No cell phone plan is required to use the > reader, and you will still be able to use other parts of the > phone such as the calendar, notes, media player, and calculator > without service. Wi-fi is also included for connectivity with > the Internet. >>> >>> Also, if money is a concern, there are a few options. First, > as others have said, some commissions for the blind have > purchased KNFB Reader Mobiles for their clients, and I feel > this is certainly a worthwhile investment. If you need help > with writing a letter to your local counselor explaining some > reasons or justifactions as they call it for purchasing a > reader, please let me know. In addition, the NFB has a low > interest loan program which your parents may be interested in. > Write me off list if you need more details on this. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, > you don't have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. > In fact, if you're going to try to convince your Commission for > the Blind to pay for it, (something I suggest), don't say that > it can be used as a cell, or else, the Commission might claim > you don't really NEED it. >>>> >>>> Serena >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm > considering several things to get to be ready for school. I > have different ideas, depending on what I noticed, but one of > things I realized is that there are times, specially towards > the start of the year, but it still happens that the Science or > Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain > books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we > have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants > and the like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me > wrong, I'm not against having things read to me when its > absolutely needed, but the thing is, I'm always thinking - what > if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my parents its fine, > and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but if I can > do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB > mobile device? >>>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan > out the window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacu > cco%40verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes > tmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethau > ght%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandka > yla%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5072 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5072 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Apr 29 18:19:16 2010 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:19:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1> <6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope> Message-ID: <34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage> Hope, The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone service is not required to use the reader. The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. Hope this helps. J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands > that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the > knfb reader cost? > Thanks so much! > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jedi" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Jorge, >> >> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save documents >> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. If >> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school years >> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> Original message: >>> Hi all. >>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens >>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have >>> to do the classwork for that day. >>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >> >>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>> if I can do this by myself why not? >> >>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >> >>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >> >>> Any feedback is appreciated. >> >> >>> Thanks. >> >>> Jorge >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From iamantonio at cox.net Thu Apr 29 19:55:56 2010 From: iamantonio at cox.net (Antonio M. Guimaraes) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:55:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> Message-ID: <293951E37A5A4CA8A15D26306E64B58A@userf9b4fa60eb> Serena, The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it comes to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a good idea, and is deceptive. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Student, Western Governors University (617) 744-9716 Eastern time zone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't have > to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going > to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, (something > I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the > Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorge Paez" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Hi all. >> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering several >> things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending >> on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, >> specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the >> Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain >> books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do >> the classwork for that day. >> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >> >> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >> if I can do this by myself why not? >> >> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >> >> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >> cause we'd have to switch companies) >> >> Any feedback is appreciated. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jorge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 20:18:56 2010 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:18:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Message-ID: Hello Jorge, As mentioned previously, the KNFB reader is a great device and can come in very handy in those situations you've mentioned, the classroom setting for example, when you are in need of doing some on the spot scanning. I would suggest requesting one from a government agency before purchasing one out of pocket, as the cost will set you back. As for other situations, going out to restaurants on your own for example, one solution which seems to work most of the time is to look up the restaurant online and take a look at the electronic menu. Living in NYC also, I know that most places have a menu up on newyork.Menupages.org or citysearch. You can do this from home, if you know where you are going, or on the spot if you have an accessible phone with access to the internet. Also, we have a Student Division in NYC. It is geared toward High School seniors and above, but everyone is welcome to post. Sincerely, Alex From hope.paulos at maine.edu Thu Apr 29 20:42:31 2010 From: hope.paulos at maine.edu (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:42:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1><6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope> <34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage> Message-ID: <57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9@Hope> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak and an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. Thanks for the help Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.J. Meddaugh" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Hope, > The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone > service is not required to use the reader. > > The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. > Hope this helps. > > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >> knfb reader cost? >> Thanks so much! >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jedi" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Jorge, >>> >>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille >>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could get >>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many >>> levels. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> >>> Original message: >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? >>>> With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say >>>> anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks. >>> >>>> Jorge >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 21:29:38 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:29:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1><6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope><34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage> <57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9@Hope> Message-ID: <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak and > an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to > get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, > because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current > phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. > Thanks for the help > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Hope, >> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >> service is not required to use the reader. >> >> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >>> knfb reader cost? >>> Thanks so much! >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jedi" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Jorge, >>>> >>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille >>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could get >>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>> many levels. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never >>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Apr 29 21:31:34 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:31:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <10804E4B-FA07-499C-B322-459C5181BE64@mac.com> <293951E37A5A4CA8A15D26306E64B58A@userf9b4fa60eb> Message-ID: <6C6471DE1C224C328C07518F8B41A4D7@Serene> I didn't mean "deny" literally. I just meant don't emphasize that it's a cell phone and don't say that that's why you want it. I tried to get my rehab to buy it, but the tech guy there either didn't know much about it, wouldn't acknowledge its benefits, or just didn't wanna spend the money. Who knows ... Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Serena, > > The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it > comes to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a > good idea, and is deceptive. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > Student, Western Governors University > (617) 744-9716 > Eastern time zone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serena" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >> have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're >> going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >> (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, >> the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >> >> Serena >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jorge Paez" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hi all. >>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens >>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have >>> to do the classwork for that day. >>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>> >>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>> >>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>> >>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>> >>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From jorgeapaez at mac.com Thu Apr 29 21:36:51 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:36:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader Message-ID: Thanks a lot for the opinions. Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim to be accessible. J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for upgrading. What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? Jorge From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 22:48:33 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:48:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader In-Reply-To: <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn> References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1><6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope><34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage><57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9@Hope> <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <3C61EB16EF6D47ADBEEF7B9DC0D86EE7@Rufus> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are we seriously even in the same book? Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak and > an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to > get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, > because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current > phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. > Thanks for the help > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Hope, >> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >> service is not required to use the reader. >> >> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >>> knfb reader cost? >>> Thanks so much! >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jedi" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Jorge, >>>> >>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille >>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could get >>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>> many levels. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never >>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin djedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau los%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes tmidi.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau los%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj acksandefur%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 22:47:23 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:47:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader In-Reply-To: <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn> References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1><6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope><34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage><57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9@Hope> <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are we seriously even in the same book? Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak and > an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to > get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, > because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current > phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. > Thanks for the help > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Hope, >> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >> service is not required to use the reader. >> >> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >>> knfb reader cost? >>> Thanks so much! >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jedi" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Jorge, >>>> >>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille >>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could get >>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>> many levels. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never >>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin djedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau los%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes tmidi.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau los%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj acksandefur%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 23:26:47 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:26:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1><6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope><34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage><57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9@Hope><99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn> <3C61EB16EF6D47ADBEEF7B9DC0D86EE7@Rufus> Message-ID: <60DFB192BCFD4AE3A6C3F8B53D55C5B0@hometwxakonvzn> So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are > we > seriously even in the same book? > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have > mobile speak and >> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm > going to have to >> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just > the software, >> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from > my current >> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >> Thanks for the help >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though > remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work > with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how > much does the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille > using a Braille >>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, > you could get >>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to > maintain. However, >>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I > definitely think my >>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB > Reader on >>>>> many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have > different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, > but it still >>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is > telling us to >>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its > not scanned >>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go > places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me > wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely > needed, but the >>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my > friends would never >>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin > djedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile > Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes > tmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj > acksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 00:12:12 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:12:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader In-Reply-To: <60DFB192BCFD4AE3A6C3F8B53D55C5B0@hometwxakonvzn> References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1><6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope><34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F@jage><57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9@Hope><99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC@hometwxakonvzn><3C61EB16EF6D47ADBEEF7B9DC0D86EE7@Rufus> <60DFB192BCFD4AE3A6C3F8B53D55C5B0@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <875CD51788B940A69DB9F8564D0C6CF0@Rufus> The phone has a camera which you use to snap a picture of the document. If aimed correctly, the text should hopefully not be choppy, though the software is supposed to automatically orient the text so that it can scan and read correctly. Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are > we > seriously even in the same book? > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have > mobile speak and >> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm > going to have to >> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just > the software, >> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from > my current >> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >> Thanks for the help >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though > remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work > with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how > much does the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille > using a Braille >>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, > you could get >>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to > maintain. However, >>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I > definitely think my >>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB > Reader on >>>>> many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have > different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, > but it still >>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is > telling us to >>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its > not scanned >>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go > places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me > wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely > needed, but the >>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my > friends would never >>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin > djedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile > Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes > tmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj > acksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj acksandefur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From kim at senderogroup.com Fri Apr 30 00:56:59 2010 From: kim at senderogroup.com (Kim Casey) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:56:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of Products Message-ID: Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of Products Davis, CA. April 29, 2010 Version 2010 is Sendero's fourteenth version since our laptop GPS in 2000. It has been 14 years since we began working on the first prototypes. There are 24 improvements since version 6. Highlights of this 2010 version include: Sendero Maps software for virtual map exploration on a PC. Free with new purchases. Check out our "Triple Play" promotion, 3 products for the price of one! Visit http://senderogroup.com/news/deals.htm New updated 2010 maps and Points of Interest as well as a new Rich Map engine and a new SQLite database engine. This includes access to the dozens of transit company databases from the Google Transit Feed. There is over 13GB of new map and POI data compared with 11GB in the last release. Enjoy the new Favorites List and History List for easier POI access. Flexibility to choose the route type you want: Avoid toll roads, skip freeways during peak traffic hours, pick shortest route, the choice is yours. POI categories have been consolidated and now have the option to add tags for environmental information. To see all 24 changes from v6 to v2010, visit http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/v2010changes.htm For those of you who already have an upgrade on a BrailleNote or VoiceNote and GPS, your upgrade is eagerly awaiting you at http://www.GoSendero.com. To get started using version 2010 view the V2010 online manuals, http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportgps.htm For those of you who would like to try v2010 before you buy, download the Trial Version, http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/testdrive.asp, for your BrailleNote. You will have access to all countries we currently support for the 30 days, after which you can purchase a full version, opt for the Pay-As-You-Go payment plan, or uninstall the 30 day trial version and re-install your old version of Sendero GPS. Call Sendero toll free, 1-888-757-6810 Contact Sendero Group: http://www.senderogroup.com Toll free phone (US and Canada): 1-888-757-6810 Direct phone: +1 530 757-6800 From jj at bestmidi.com Fri Apr 30 06:48:31 2010 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:48:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader References: Message-ID: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073@jage> George, There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on the Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, the reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also the same. There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it is no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. I hope this helps. J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader > Thanks a lot for the opinions. > > > Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd trust > the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had some > bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim to > be accessible. > > > J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a contract > with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for > upgrading. > > What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? > > Jorge > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From valandkayla at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 07:03:25 2010 From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:03:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader In-Reply-To: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073@jage> References: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073@jage> Message-ID: <0344EBFB-C25E-4D83-8143-19AF3265776A@gmail.com> so i take it the ONLY reader you can get with portability is the knfb reader for mobile, which is about the price as a kurzweil program. think i'd just wait for the Iphone ap. am i wrong on that first part?On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:48 AM, J.J. Meddaugh wrote: > George, > There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on the Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, the reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also the same. > There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it is no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. > I hope this helps. > > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader > > >> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >> >> >> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim to be accessible. >> >> >> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for upgrading. >> >> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >> >> Jorge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 14:00:30 2010 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:00:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader References: <20100429022708.15713.44617@web1> <6095AF7E1EF842A5B955476A60CD8491@Hope> Message-ID: <141866F72702479C90F51BDFC357CAE7@userf9b4fa60eb> The phones supported by the KNFB Reader are described on the Mike Hingson group web page as follows: http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/phone-info/phone_info.php NEW SUPPORTED PHONES The phones now supported with the initial release of version 6.3 are the Nokia E71 (best used with the kReader Mobile), N79, N82, N85, N86, N95 8 GB, N95 North American model, and the Nokia 6220 Classic. Please note that changes in phone models and availability must be expected. However, phones which become unavailable from suppliers will continue to be supported for use with the Mobile Reader software as changes are made to support newer phones and models as they become available. This applies at present to the N82 and the 6220 Classic. This page includes important information about each supported phone as well as links to obtain detailed specifications. Please check back periodically to keep up to date as more phones are added to the list. Checking with various suppliers for availability and price is recommended. The price of the reader will depend on the phone you buy with it, and whether you already own a version of talks. Prices are listed at http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/purchase/price-list.php The reader is $1595 with an N82 phone, and $1770 with the much faster processing from an N86 phone. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Student, Western Governors University (617) 744-9716 Eastern time zone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands > that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the > knfb reader cost? > Thanks so much! > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jedi" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Jorge, >> >> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save documents >> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. If >> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school years >> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> Original message: >>> Hi all. >>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens >>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have >>> to do the classwork for that day. >>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >> >>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>> if I can do this by myself why not? >> >>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >> >>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >> >>> Any feedback is appreciated. >> >> >>> Thanks. >> >>> Jorge >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > From mewhalen at wisc.edu Fri Apr 30 18:25:47 2010 From: mewhalen at wisc.edu (Meghan Whalen) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:25:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader References: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073@jage> <0344EBFB-C25E-4D83-8143-19AF3265776A@gmail.com> Message-ID: The eye-pal is pretty portable, though nowhere near as portable as the knfb reader. It weighs about a pound, is mounted on a stand and is generally pretty nifty. Meghan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader > so i take it the ONLY reader you can get with portability is the knfb > reader for mobile, which is about the price as a kurzweil program. think > i'd just wait for the Iphone ap. > > > am i wrong on that first part?On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:48 AM, J.J. Meddaugh > wrote: > >> George, >> There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on the >> Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, >> the reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also >> the same. >> There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it >> is no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. >> I hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >> >> >>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>> >>> >>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>> trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've >>> had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if >>> they claim to be accessible. >>> >>> >>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>> contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much >>> for upgrading. >>> >>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mewhalen%40wisc.edu > From jlastar at comcast.net Fri Apr 30 18:51:18 2010 From: jlastar at comcast.net (Jennifer Applegate) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 13:51:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 References: Message-ID: <16092417A2EE402188E6288371312326@YOURH99HMLEC97> Can anyone who has received a nfb scholarship explain how the money is given to the student? Is it given to the college for costs related to school or to the student? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KNFB Reader (J.J. Meddaugh) > 2. Re: KNFB Reader (Antonio M. Guimaraes) > 3. KNFB Reader (Alexander Castillo) > 4. Re: KNFB Reader (Hope Paulos) > 5. Re: KNFB Reader (RJ Sandefur) > 6. Re: KNFB Reader (Serena) > 7. knfb reader (Jorge Paez) > 8. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) > 9. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) > 10. Re: KNFB Reader (RJ Sandefur) > 11. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) > 12. Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of > Products (Kim Casey) > 13. Re: knfb reader (J.J. Meddaugh) > 14. Re: knfb reader (Valerie Gibson) > 15. Re: KNFB Reader (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:19:16 -0400 > From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F at jage> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Hope, > The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone > service is not required to use the reader. > > The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. > Hope this helps. > > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >> knfb reader cost? >> Thanks so much! >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jedi" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Jorge, >>> >>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>> documents >>> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. >>> If >>> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >>> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >>> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >>> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school >>> years >>> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> >>> Original message: >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>> happens >>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>> have >>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>> like, >>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>> against >>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks. >>> >>>> Jorge >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:55:56 -0400 > From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <293951E37A5A4CA8A15D26306E64B58A at userf9b4fa60eb> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Serena, > > The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it > comes > to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a good > idea, > and is deceptive. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > Student, Western Governors University > (617) 744-9716 > Eastern time zone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Serena" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >> have >> to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going >> to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >> (something >> I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the >> Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >> >> Serena >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jorge Paez" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hi all. >>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>> several >>> things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending >>> on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are times, >>> specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the >>> Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain >>> books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do >>> the classwork for that day. >>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>> >>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the like, >>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against >>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>> >>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>> >>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>> >>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:18:56 -0400 > From: Alexander Castillo > To: nabs-l > Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Jorge, As mentioned previously, the KNFB reader is a great > device and can come in very handy in those situations you've > mentioned, the classroom setting for example, when you are in need of > doing some on the spot scanning. I would suggest requesting one from a > government agency before purchasing one out of pocket, as the cost > will set you back. > > As for other situations, going out to restaurants on your own for > example, one solution which seems to work most of the time is to look > up the restaurant online and take a look at the electronic menu. > Living in NYC also, I know that most places have a menu up on > newyork.Menupages.org or citysearch. You can do this from home, if you > know where you are going, or on the spot if you have an accessible > phone with access to the internet. > > Also, we have a Student Division in NYC. It is geared toward High > School seniors and above, but everyone is welcome to post. > > Sincerely, > Alex > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:42:31 -0400 > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9 at Hope> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak and > an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to > get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, > because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current > phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. > Thanks for the help > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Hope, >> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >> service is not required to use the reader. >> >> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >>> knfb reader cost? >>> Thanks so much! >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jedi" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Jorge, >>>> >>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille >>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could get >>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>> many >>>> levels. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there >>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>> friends? >>>>> With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say >>>>> anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window >>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:29:38 -0400 > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC at hometwxakonvzn> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak >> and >> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to >> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, >> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current >> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >> Thanks for the help >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>> the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a >>>>> Braille >>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could >>>>> get >>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>>> many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it >>>>>> still >>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm >>>>>> not >>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would >>>>>> never >>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:31:34 -0400 > From: "Serena" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <6C6471DE1C224C328C07518F8B41A4D7 at Serene> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > I didn't mean "deny" literally. I just meant don't emphasize that it's a > cell phone and don't say that that's why you want it. I tried to get my > rehab to buy it, but the tech guy there either didn't know much about it, > wouldn't acknowledge its benefits, or just didn't wanna spend the money. > Who knows ... > > Serena > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Serena, >> >> The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it >> comes to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a >> good idea, and is deceptive. >> >> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >> >> Student, Western Governors University >> (617) 744-9716 >> Eastern time zone >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Serena" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >>> have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're >>> going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >>> (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, >>> the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>> >>> Serena >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jorge Paez" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>> happens >>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>> have >>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>> like, >>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>> against >>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:36:51 -0400 > From: Jorge Paez > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks a lot for the opinions. > > > Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd trust > the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had some > bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim to > be accessible. > > > J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a contract > with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for > upgrading. > > What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? > > Jorge > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:48:33 -0400 > From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <3C61EB16EF6D47ADBEEF7B9DC0D86EE7 at Rufus> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are > we > seriously even in the same book? > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have > mobile speak and >> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm > going to have to >> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just > the software, >> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from > my current >> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >> Thanks for the help >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though > remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work > with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how > much does the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille > using a Braille >>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, > you could get >>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to > maintain. However, >>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I > definitely think my >>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB > Reader on >>>>> many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have > different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, > but it still >>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is > telling us to >>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its > not scanned >>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go > places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me > wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely > needed, but the >>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my > friends would never >>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin > djedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile > Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes > tmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj > acksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:47:23 -0400 > From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are > we > seriously even in the same book? > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have > mobile speak and >> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm > going to have to >> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just > the software, >> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from > my current >> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >> Thanks for the help >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though > remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work > with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how > much does the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille > using a Braille >>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, > you could get >>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to > maintain. However, >>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I > definitely think my >>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB > Reader on >>>>> many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have > different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, > but it still >>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is > telling us to >>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its > not scanned >>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go > places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me > wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely > needed, but the >>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my > friends would never >>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin > djedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile > Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes > tmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau > los%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj > acksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:26:47 -0400 > From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <60DFB192BCFD4AE3A6C3F8B53D55C5B0 at hometwxakonvzn> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are >> we >> seriously even in the same book? >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >> sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >> mobile speak and >>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >> going to have to >>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >> the software, >>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >> my current >>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>> Thanks for the help >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >> remember phone >>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>> >>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >> with the brands >>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >> much does the >>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >> using a Braille >>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >> you could get >>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >> maintain. However, >>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >> definitely think my >>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >> Reader on >>>>>> many levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi >>>>>> >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >> different ideas, >>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >> but it still >>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >> telling us to >>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >> not scanned >>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >> needed, but the >>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >> friends would never >>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >> Network. Visit >>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >> los%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >> tmidi.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >> los%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:12:12 -0400 > From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <875CD51788B940A69DB9F8564D0C6CF0 at Rufus> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > The phone has a camera which you use to snap a picture of the document. > If > aimed correctly, the text should hopefully not be choppy, though the > software is supposed to automatically orient the text so that it can scan > and read correctly. > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like > a gun? Are >> we >> seriously even in the same book? >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up > their sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >> mobile speak and >>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >> going to have to >>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >> the software, >>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >> my current >>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>> Thanks for the help >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >> remember phone >>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>> >>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >> with the brands >>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >> much does the >>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >> using a Braille >>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >> you could get >>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >> maintain. However, >>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >> definitely think my >>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >> Reader on >>>>>> many levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi >>>>>> >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >> different ideas, >>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >> but it still >>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >> telling us to >>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >> not scanned >>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >> needed, but the >>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >> friends would never >>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >> Network. Visit >>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >> los%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >> tmidi.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >> los%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj > acksandefur%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 5073 (20100429) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:56:59 -0500 > From: Kim Casey (by way of David Andrews > ) > To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote > family of Products > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of Products > > Davis, CA. April 29, 2010 > > Version 2010 is Sendero's fourteenth version since our laptop GPS in > 2000. It has been 14 years since we began working on the first > prototypes. There are 24 improvements since version 6. > > Highlights of this 2010 version include: > > Sendero Maps software for virtual map exploration on a PC. Free with > new purchases. Check out our "Triple Play" promotion, 3 products for > the price of one! Visit http://senderogroup.com/news/deals.htm > > New updated 2010 maps and Points of Interest as well as a new Rich > Map engine and a new SQLite database engine. This includes access to > the dozens of transit company databases from the Google Transit > Feed. There is over 13GB of new map and POI data compared with 11GB > in the last release. > > Enjoy the new Favorites List and History List for easier POI access. > > Flexibility to choose the route type you want: Avoid toll roads, skip > freeways during peak traffic hours, pick shortest route, the choice is > yours. > > POI categories have been consolidated and now have the option to add > tags for environmental information. > > To see all 24 changes from v6 to v2010, visit > http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/v2010changes.htm > > For those of you who already have an upgrade on a BrailleNote or > VoiceNote and GPS, your upgrade is eagerly awaiting you at > http://www.GoSendero.com. To get started using version 2010 view the > V2010 online manuals, http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportgps.htm > > For those of you who would like to try v2010 before you buy, download > the Trial Version, > http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/testdrive.asp, for your > BrailleNote. You will have access to all countries we currently > support for the 30 days, after which you can purchase a full version, > opt for the Pay-As-You-Go payment plan, or uninstall the 30 day trial > version and re-install your old version of Sendero GPS. > > Call Sendero toll free, 1-888-757-6810 > > > > Contact Sendero Group: > http://www.senderogroup.com > Toll free phone (US and Canada): 1-888-757-6810 > Direct phone: +1 530 757-6800 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:48:31 -0400 > From: "J.J. Meddaugh" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader > Message-ID: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073 at jage> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > George, > There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on the > Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, > the > reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also the > same. > There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it is > no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. > I hope this helps. > > J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com > A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jorge Paez" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader > > >> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >> >> >> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >> trust >> the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had >> some >> bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim to >> be accessible. >> >> >> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a contract >> with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for >> upgrading. >> >> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >> >> Jorge >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:03:25 -0500 > From: Valerie Gibson > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader > Message-ID: <0344EBFB-C25E-4D83-8143-19AF3265776A at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > so i take it the ONLY reader you can get with portability is the knfb > reader for mobile, which is about the price as a kurzweil program. think > i'd just wait for the Iphone ap. > > > am i wrong on that first part?On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:48 AM, J.J. Meddaugh > wrote: > >> George, >> There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on the >> Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, >> the reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also >> the same. >> There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it >> is no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. >> I hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >> >> >>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>> >>> >>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>> trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've >>> had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if >>> they claim to be accessible. >>> >>> >>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>> contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much >>> for upgrading. >>> >>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:00:30 -0400 > From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > Message-ID: <141866F72702479C90F51BDFC357CAE7 at userf9b4fa60eb> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > The phones supported by the KNFB Reader are described on the Mike Hingson > group web page as follows: > > http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/phone-info/phone_info.php > > NEW SUPPORTED PHONES > > The phones now supported with the initial release of version 6.3 are the > Nokia E71 (best used with the kReader Mobile), N79, N82, N85, N86, N95 8 > GB, > N95 > North American model, and the Nokia 6220 Classic. Please note that changes > in phone models and availability must be expected. However, phones which > become > unavailable from suppliers will continue to be supported for use with the > Mobile Reader software as changes are made to support newer phones and > models > as they become available. This applies at present to the N82 and the 6220 > Classic. > > This page includes important information about each supported phone as > well > as links to obtain detailed specifications. Please check back periodically > to > keep up to date as more phones are added to the list. Checking with > various > suppliers for availability and price is recommended. > > The price of the reader will depend on the phone you buy with it, and > whether you already own a version of talks. > > Prices are listed at > > > http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/purchase/price-list.php > > The reader is $1595 with an N82 phone, and $1770 with the much faster > processing from an N86 phone. > > Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. > > Student, Western Governors University > (617) 744-9716 > Eastern time zone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader > > >> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >> knfb reader cost? >> Thanks so much! >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jedi" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Jorge, >>> >>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>> documents >>> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. >>> If >>> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >>> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >>> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >>> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school >>> years >>> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >>> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> >>> Original message: >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there >>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>> happens >>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of >>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>> have >>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>> like, >>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>> against >>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks. >>> >>>> Jorge >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 > ************************************** From serenacucco at verizon.net Fri Apr 30 20:34:24 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:34:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard References: <93F33BE1-6948-4CF6-86B4-F6055B0EEDB0@mac.com> Message-ID: <30F860D1A7C64C079166D6FC8125E985@Serene> Hi guys, One thing I don't like about the computer-style keyboard is, at least on my friend's BN I get to practice on, it doesn't display the last character I write, until I type another. (My friend is deaf-blind, so we communicate via the BN when we're hanging out.) E.G., if I write "What?", I don't see the question mark on the display, until I press the space bar. Since I'm not all that familiar with the layout, I'm not always sure if I wrote a question mark or a slash. I don't know I wrote a slash, until I press the space bar! Is this a flaw with the computer-style keyboard? Or is there a setting that can be changed to make the display show each character as you write, like the Braille keyboard does? Thanks, Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer keyboard > Some people prefer to use an electronic notetaker such as the BrailleNote > because the accessibility is built in and they like the simplicity when > all that is really needed is taking notes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "clinton waterbury" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex--Braille keyboard v. computer > keyboard > > >> This is true, but why take a laptop when that would be duplicating what >> you're using the bn/pac mate or what ever you want to use as a notetaker? >> You could just turn around and get a braille display that connects up to >> a laptop for reading braille for the price you pay for something that >> does word processing and all that kind of stuff like the bn does, but >> that's a matter of personal preference. >> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: >> >>> Well, >>> it really depends. >>> I have used a computer keyboard a lot with my laptop, but like the >>> ability to write grade 2 braille. >>> Part of it is the ability to type entire words, being able to take notes >>> a lot faster--only typing one sign for the, etc. >>> The thing is, I haven't been used to a computer keyboard on a notebook >>> device, so I'd go for braille just because I know it better, but in your >>> case it may depend. >>> However, I wouldn't recommend you rely souly on the Apex. >>> In my experience the note has been perfect for taking notes and that's >>> about it--(E.G. completely failing at Internet except at my home >>> network), though they claim they have made improvements. >>> My best bet is go for which ever one you feel better, but try and get >>> a--or take your laptop as a backup. >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clinton.waterbury%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Apr 30 20:55:11 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:55:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 References: <16092417A2EE402188E6288371312326@YOURH99HMLEC97> Message-ID: Scholarships are given to you directly at national convention ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Applegate" To: Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 > Can anyone who has received a nfb scholarship explain how the money is > given to the student? Is it given to the college for costs related to > school or to the student? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:00 PM > Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 > > >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: KNFB Reader (J.J. Meddaugh) >> 2. Re: KNFB Reader (Antonio M. Guimaraes) >> 3. KNFB Reader (Alexander Castillo) >> 4. Re: KNFB Reader (Hope Paulos) >> 5. Re: KNFB Reader (RJ Sandefur) >> 6. Re: KNFB Reader (Serena) >> 7. knfb reader (Jorge Paez) >> 8. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) >> 9. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) >> 10. Re: KNFB Reader (RJ Sandefur) >> 11. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) >> 12. Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of >> Products (Kim Casey) >> 13. Re: knfb reader (J.J. Meddaugh) >> 14. Re: knfb reader (Valerie Gibson) >> 15. Re: KNFB Reader (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:19:16 -0400 >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F at jage> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> Hope, >> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >> service is not required to use the reader. >> >> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >> Hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >>> knfb reader cost? >>> Thanks so much! >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jedi" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Jorge, >>>> >>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>> documents >>>> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. >>>> If >>>> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >>>> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >>>> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >>>> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school >>>> years >>>> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there >>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens >>>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out >>>>> of >>>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>>> have >>>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, >>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against >>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>> but >>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window >>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:55:56 -0400 >> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <293951E37A5A4CA8A15D26306E64B58A at userf9b4fa60eb> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> Serena, >> >> The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it >> comes >> to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a good >> idea, >> and is deceptive. >> >> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >> >> Student, Western Governors University >> (617) 744-9716 >> Eastern time zone >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Serena" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >>> have >>> to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're going >>> to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >>> (something >>> I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the >>> Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>> >>> Serena >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jorge Paez" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>> several >>>> things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, depending >>>> on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are >>>> times, >>>> specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the >>>> Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain >>>> books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do >>>> the classwork for that day. >>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>> like, >>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>> against >>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, but >>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile device? >>>> >>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the window >>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:18:56 -0400 >> From: Alexander Castillo >> To: nabs-l >> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello Jorge, As mentioned previously, the KNFB reader is a great >> device and can come in very handy in those situations you've >> mentioned, the classroom setting for example, when you are in need of >> doing some on the spot scanning. I would suggest requesting one from a >> government agency before purchasing one out of pocket, as the cost >> will set you back. >> >> As for other situations, going out to restaurants on your own for >> example, one solution which seems to work most of the time is to look >> up the restaurant online and take a look at the electronic menu. >> Living in NYC also, I know that most places have a menu up on >> newyork.Menupages.org or citysearch. You can do this from home, if you >> know where you are going, or on the spot if you have an accessible >> phone with access to the internet. >> >> Also, we have a Student Division in NYC. It is geared toward High >> School seniors and above, but everyone is welcome to post. >> >> Sincerely, >> Alex >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:42:31 -0400 >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9 at Hope> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak >> and >> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have to >> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the software, >> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current >> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >> Thanks for the help >> Hope and Beignet >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>> the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a >>>>> Braille >>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could >>>>> get >>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>>> many >>>>> levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there >>>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm >>>>>> not >>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>> friends? >>>>>> With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say >>>>>> anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window >>>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:29:38 -0400 >> From: "RJ Sandefur" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC at hometwxakonvzn> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak >>> and >>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have >>> to >>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the >>> software, >>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current >>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>> Thanks for the help >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>> >>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the >>>>> brands >>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>>> the >>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could >>>>>> get >>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>>>> many levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi >>>>>> >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different >>>>>>> ideas, >>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it >>>>>>> still >>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would >>>>>>> never >>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:31:34 -0400 >> From: "Serena" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <6C6471DE1C224C328C07518F8B41A4D7 at Serene> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> I didn't mean "deny" literally. I just meant don't emphasize that it's a >> cell phone and don't say that that's why you want it. I tried to get my >> rehab to buy it, but the tech guy there either didn't know much about it, >> wouldn't acknowledge its benefits, or just didn't wanna spend the money. >> Who knows ... >> >> Serena >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Serena, >>> >>> The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it >>> comes to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a >>> good idea, and is deceptive. >>> >>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >>> >>> Student, Western Governors University >>> (617) 744-9716 >>> Eastern time zone >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Serena" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >>>> have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're >>>> going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >>>> (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or >>>> else, >>>> the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>>> >>>> Serena >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jorge Paez" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there >>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens >>>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out >>>>> of >>>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>>> have >>>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, >>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against >>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>> but >>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window >>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:36:51 -0400 >> From: Jorge Paez >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >> >> >> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >> trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've >> had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they >> claim to be accessible. >> >> >> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a contract >> with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for >> upgrading. >> >> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >> >> Jorge >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:48:33 -0400 >> From: "Joe Orozco" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <3C61EB16EF6D47ADBEEF7B9DC0D86EE7 at Rufus> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are >> we >> seriously even in the same book? >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >> sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >> mobile speak and >>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >> going to have to >>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >> the software, >>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >> my current >>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>> Thanks for the help >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >> remember phone >>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>> >>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >> with the brands >>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >> much does the >>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >> using a Braille >>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >> you could get >>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >> maintain. However, >>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >> definitely think my >>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >> Reader on >>>>>> many levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi >>>>>> >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >> different ideas, >>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >> but it still >>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >> telling us to >>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >> not scanned >>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >> needed, but the >>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >> friends would never >>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >> Network. 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Are >> we >> seriously even in the same book? >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >> sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >> mobile speak and >>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >> going to have to >>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >> the software, >>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >> my current >>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>> Thanks for the help >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >> remember phone >>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>> >>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >> with the brands >>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >> much does the >>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >> using a Braille >>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >> you could get >>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >> maintain. However, >>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >> definitely think my >>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >> Reader on >>>>>> many levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi >>>>>> >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >> different ideas, >>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >> but it still >>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >> telling us to >>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >> not scanned >>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >> needed, but the >>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >> friends would never >>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >> Network. Visit >>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >> los%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >> tmidi.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >> los%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:26:47 -0400 >> From: "RJ Sandefur" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <60DFB192BCFD4AE3A6C3F8B53D55C5B0 at hometwxakonvzn> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Orozco" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are >>> we >>> seriously even in the same book? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>> sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >>> mobile speak and >>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >>> going to have to >>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >>> the software, >>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >>> my current >>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>> Thanks for the help >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >>> remember phone >>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>> >>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >>> with the brands >>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >>> much does the >>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >>> using a Braille >>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >>> you could get >>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >>> maintain. However, >>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >>> definitely think my >>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >>> Reader on >>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >>> different ideas, >>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >>> but it still >>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >>> telling us to >>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >>> not scanned >>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >>> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >>> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >>> needed, but the >>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >>> friends would never >>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >>> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >>> Network. Visit >>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >>> tmidi.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:12:12 -0400 >> From: "Joe Orozco" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <875CD51788B940A69DB9F8564D0C6CF0 at Rufus> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> The phone has a camera which you use to snap a picture of the document. >> If >> aimed correctly, the text should hopefully not be choppy, though the >> software is supposed to automatically orient the text so that it can scan >> and read correctly. >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >> sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:27 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joe Orozco" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like >> a gun? Are >>> we >>> seriously even in the same book? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >> their sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >>> mobile speak and >>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >>> going to have to >>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >>> the software, >>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >>> my current >>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>> Thanks for the help >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >>> remember phone >>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>> >>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >>> with the brands >>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >>> much does the >>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >>> using a Braille >>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >>> you could get >>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >>> maintain. However, >>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >>> definitely think my >>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >>> Reader on >>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >>> different ideas, >>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >>> but it still >>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >>> telling us to >>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >>> not scanned >>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >>> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >>> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >>> needed, but the >>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >>> friends would never >>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >>> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >>> Network. Visit >>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >>> tmidi.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >> acksandefur%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:56:59 -0500 >> From: Kim Casey (by way of David Andrews >> ) >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote >> family of Products >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >> >> Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of Products >> >> Davis, CA. April 29, 2010 >> >> Version 2010 is Sendero's fourteenth version since our laptop GPS in >> 2000. It has been 14 years since we began working on the first >> prototypes. There are 24 improvements since version 6. >> >> Highlights of this 2010 version include: >> >> Sendero Maps software for virtual map exploration on a PC. Free with >> new purchases. Check out our "Triple Play" promotion, 3 products for >> the price of one! Visit http://senderogroup.com/news/deals.htm >> >> New updated 2010 maps and Points of Interest as well as a new Rich >> Map engine and a new SQLite database engine. This includes access to >> the dozens of transit company databases from the Google Transit >> Feed. There is over 13GB of new map and POI data compared with 11GB >> in the last release. >> >> Enjoy the new Favorites List and History List for easier POI access. >> >> Flexibility to choose the route type you want: Avoid toll roads, skip >> freeways during peak traffic hours, pick shortest route, the choice is >> yours. >> >> POI categories have been consolidated and now have the option to add >> tags for environmental information. >> >> To see all 24 changes from v6 to v2010, visit >> http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/v2010changes.htm >> >> For those of you who already have an upgrade on a BrailleNote or >> VoiceNote and GPS, your upgrade is eagerly awaiting you at >> http://www.GoSendero.com. To get started using version 2010 view the >> V2010 online manuals, http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportgps.htm >> >> For those of you who would like to try v2010 before you buy, download >> the Trial Version, >> http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/testdrive.asp, for your >> BrailleNote. You will have access to all countries we currently >> support for the 30 days, after which you can purchase a full version, >> opt for the Pay-As-You-Go payment plan, or uninstall the 30 day trial >> version and re-install your old version of Sendero GPS. >> >> Call Sendero toll free, 1-888-757-6810 >> >> >> >> Contact Sendero Group: >> http://www.senderogroup.com >> Toll free phone (US and Canada): 1-888-757-6810 >> Direct phone: +1 530 757-6800 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:48:31 -0400 >> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader >> Message-ID: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073 at jage> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> George, >> There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on the >> Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, >> the >> reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also the >> same. >> There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it >> is >> no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. >> I hope this helps. >> >> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jorge Paez" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >> >> >>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>> >>> >>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>> trust >>> the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had >>> some >>> bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim >>> to >>> be accessible. >>> >>> >>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>> contract >>> with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for >>> upgrading. >>> >>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:03:25 -0500 >> From: Valerie Gibson >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader >> Message-ID: <0344EBFB-C25E-4D83-8143-19AF3265776A at gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> so i take it the ONLY reader you can get with portability is the knfb >> reader for mobile, which is about the price as a kurzweil program. think >> i'd just wait for the Iphone ap. >> >> >> am i wrong on that first part?On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:48 AM, J.J. Meddaugh >> wrote: >> >>> George, >>> There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on >>> the Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone >>> service, the reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs >>> are also the same. >>> There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it >>> is no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. >>> I hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>>> trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've >>>> had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if >>>> they claim to be accessible. >>>> >>>> >>>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>>> contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much >>>> for upgrading. >>>> >>>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:00:30 -0400 >> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> Message-ID: <141866F72702479C90F51BDFC357CAE7 at userf9b4fa60eb> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=response >> >> The phones supported by the KNFB Reader are described on the Mike Hingson >> group web page as follows: >> >> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/phone-info/phone_info.php >> >> NEW SUPPORTED PHONES >> >> The phones now supported with the initial release of version 6.3 are the >> Nokia E71 (best used with the kReader Mobile), N79, N82, N85, N86, N95 8 >> GB, >> N95 >> North American model, and the Nokia 6220 Classic. Please note that >> changes >> in phone models and availability must be expected. However, phones which >> become >> unavailable from suppliers will continue to be supported for use with the >> Mobile Reader software as changes are made to support newer phones and >> models >> as they become available. This applies at present to the N82 and the 6220 >> Classic. >> >> This page includes important information about each supported phone as >> well >> as links to obtain detailed specifications. Please check back >> periodically >> to >> keep up to date as more phones are added to the list. Checking with >> various >> suppliers for availability and price is recommended. >> >> The price of the reader will depend on the phone you buy with it, and >> whether you already own a version of talks. >> >> Prices are listed at >> >> >> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/purchase/price-list.php >> >> The reader is $1595 with an N82 phone, and $1770 with the much faster >> processing from an N86 phone. >> >> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >> >> Student, Western Governors University >> (617) 744-9716 >> Eastern time zone >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Hope Paulos" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >> >> >>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does the >>> knfb reader cost? >>> Thanks so much! >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jedi" >>> To: >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Jorge, >>>> >>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>> documents >>>> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. >>>> If >>>> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >>>> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >>>> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >>>> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school >>>> years >>>> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >>>> >>>> Respectfully, >>>> Jedi >>>> >>>> Original message: >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>> there >>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>> happens >>>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out >>>>> of >>>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>>> have >>>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, >>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against >>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>> but >>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window >>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 >> ************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From jorgeapaez at mac.com Fri Apr 30 22:43:11 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 18:43:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader Message-ID: So let me get this straight--weather I need a phone or not I have to get it to get the KNFB reader? If so, what's the best one and what's its price tag? Thanks. Jorge From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 23:36:41 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 19:36:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 References: <16092417A2EE402188E6288371312326@YOURH99HMLEC97> Message-ID: <668D9B0D83B743A2B84138CBAA3C9AB4@hometwxakonvzn> Wow, didn't know that ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "Jennifer Applegate" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 > Scholarships are given to you directly at national convention > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Applegate" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:51 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 > > >> Can anyone who has received a nfb scholarship explain how the money is >> given to the student? Is it given to the college for costs related to >> school or to the student? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:00 PM >> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 >> >> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: KNFB Reader (J.J. Meddaugh) >>> 2. Re: KNFB Reader (Antonio M. Guimaraes) >>> 3. KNFB Reader (Alexander Castillo) >>> 4. Re: KNFB Reader (Hope Paulos) >>> 5. Re: KNFB Reader (RJ Sandefur) >>> 6. Re: KNFB Reader (Serena) >>> 7. knfb reader (Jorge Paez) >>> 8. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) >>> 9. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) >>> 10. Re: KNFB Reader (RJ Sandefur) >>> 11. Re: KNFB Reader (Joe Orozco) >>> 12. Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of >>> Products (Kim Casey) >>> 13. Re: knfb reader (J.J. Meddaugh) >>> 14. Re: knfb reader (Valerie Gibson) >>> 15. Re: KNFB Reader (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:19:16 -0400 >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <34CD88D2A72D4D2DA9BB720BC6595B7F at jage> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=response >>> >>> Hope, >>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >>> service is not required to use the reader. >>> >>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>> the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents >>>>> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. >>>>> If >>>>> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >>>>> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >>>>> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >>>>> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school >>>>> years >>>>> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there >>>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>>> happens >>>>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out >>>>>> of >>>>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>>>> have >>>>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, >>>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against >>>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing >>>>>> is, >>>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>>> but >>>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window >>>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:55:56 -0400 >>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <293951E37A5A4CA8A15D26306E64B58A at userf9b4fa60eb> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=response >>> >>> Serena, >>> >>> The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it >>> comes >>> to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a good >>> idea, >>> and is deceptive. >>> >>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >>> >>> Student, Western Governors University >>> (617) 744-9716 >>> Eastern time zone >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Serena" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >>>> have >>>> to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if you're >>>> going >>>> to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >>>> (something >>>> I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or else, the >>>> Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>>> >>>> Serena >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jorge Paez" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all. >>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>> several >>>>> things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>> depending >>>>> on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that there are >>>>> times, >>>>> specially towards the start of the year, but it still happens that the >>>>> Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out of certain >>>>> books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we have to do >>>>> the classwork for that day. >>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>> like, >>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>> against >>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing is, >>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>> but >>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>> window >>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:18:56 -0400 >>> From: Alexander Castillo >>> To: nabs-l >>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello Jorge, As mentioned previously, the KNFB reader is a great >>> device and can come in very handy in those situations you've >>> mentioned, the classroom setting for example, when you are in need of >>> doing some on the spot scanning. I would suggest requesting one from a >>> government agency before purchasing one out of pocket, as the cost >>> will set you back. >>> >>> As for other situations, going out to restaurants on your own for >>> example, one solution which seems to work most of the time is to look >>> up the restaurant online and take a look at the electronic menu. >>> Living in NYC also, I know that most places have a menu up on >>> newyork.Menupages.org or citysearch. You can do this from home, if you >>> know where you are going, or on the spot if you have an accessible >>> phone with access to the internet. >>> >>> Also, we have a Student Division in NYC. It is geared toward High >>> School seniors and above, but everyone is welcome to post. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:42:31 -0400 >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <57DD734BF8E34A40A1C8C6BEFC517DF9 at Hope> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=response >>> >>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak >>> and >>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have >>> to >>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the >>> software, >>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current >>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>> Thanks for the help >>> Hope and Beignet >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Hope, >>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>> >>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the >>>>> brands >>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>>> the >>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>> >>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a >>>>>> Braille >>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could >>>>>> get >>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, >>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>>>> many >>>>>> levels. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> Jedi >>>>>> >>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different >>>>>>> ideas, >>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the >>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>> friends? >>>>>>> With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say >>>>>>> anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>> window >>>>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:29:38 -0400 >>> From: "RJ Sandefur" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <99941B845EF54E60A1FB2F97E54CE3AC at hometwxakonvzn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=response >>> >>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have mobile speak >>>> and >>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm going to have >>>> to >>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just the >>>> software, >>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from my current >>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>> Thanks for the help >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though remember phone >>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>> >>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the >>>>>> brands >>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>>>> the >>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a >>>>>>> Braille >>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, you could >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. >>>>>>> However, >>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my >>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on >>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different >>>>>>>> ideas, >>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it >>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to >>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned >>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would >>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:31:34 -0400 >>> From: "Serena" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <6C6471DE1C224C328C07518F8B41A4D7 at Serene> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=response >>> >>> I didn't mean "deny" literally. I just meant don't emphasize that it's >>> a >>> cell phone and don't say that that's why you want it. I tried to get my >>> rehab to buy it, but the tech guy there either didn't know much about >>> it, >>> wouldn't acknowledge its benefits, or just didn't wanna spend the money. >>> Who knows ... >>> >>> Serena >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:55 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Serena, >>>> >>>> The KNFB Phone is exactly that: a phone. Rehab is in the know where it >>>> comes to the technology, so to deny that the thing is a phone is not a >>>> good idea, and is deceptive. >>>> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >>>> >>>> Student, Western Governors University >>>> (617) 744-9716 >>>> Eastern time zone >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Serena" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:32 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> If your parents have the money, then go for it! One thing, you don't >>>>> have to use the KNFB Reader Mobile as a cell phone. In fact, if >>>>> you're >>>>> going to try to convince your Commission for the Blind to pay for it, >>>>> (something I suggest), don't say that it can be used as a cell, or >>>>> else, >>>>> the Commission might claim you don't really NEED it. >>>>> >>>>> Serena >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" >>>>> To: >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:55 PM >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there >>>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>>> happens >>>>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out >>>>>> of >>>>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>>>> have >>>>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, >>>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against >>>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing >>>>>> is, >>>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>>> but >>>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window >>>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/iamantonio%40cox.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:36:51 -0400 >>> From: Jorge Paez >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>> >>> >>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>> trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've >>> had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if >>> they claim to be accessible. >>> >>> >>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>> contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much >>> for upgrading. >>> >>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>> >>> Jorge >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:48:33 -0400 >>> From: "Joe Orozco" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <3C61EB16EF6D47ADBEEF7B9DC0D86EE7 at Rufus> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are >>> we >>> seriously even in the same book? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>> sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >>> mobile speak and >>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >>> going to have to >>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >>> the software, >>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >>> my current >>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>> Thanks for the help >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >>> remember phone >>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>> >>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >>> with the brands >>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >>> much does the >>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >>> using a Braille >>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >>> you could get >>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >>> maintain. However, >>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >>> definitely think my >>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >>> Reader on >>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >>> different ideas, >>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >>> but it still >>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >>> telling us to >>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >>> not scanned >>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >>> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >>> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >>> needed, but the >>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >>> friends would never >>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >>> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >>> Network. Visit >>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >>> tmidi.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:47:23 -0400 >>> From: "Joe Orozco" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? Are >>> we >>> seriously even in the same book? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>> sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >>> mobile speak and >>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >>> going to have to >>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >>> the software, >>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >>> my current >>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>> Thanks for the help >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hope, >>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >>> remember phone >>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>> >>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >>> with the brands >>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >>> much does the >>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >>> using a Braille >>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >>> you could get >>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >>> maintain. However, >>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >>> definitely think my >>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >>> Reader on >>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >>> different ideas, >>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >>> but it still >>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >>> telling us to >>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >>> not scanned >>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >>> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >>> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >>> needed, but the >>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >>> friends would never >>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >>> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >>> Network. Visit >>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >>> tmidi.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>> los%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:26:47 -0400 >>> From: "RJ Sandefur" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <60DFB192BCFD4AE3A6C3F8B53D55C5B0 at hometwxakonvzn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joe Orozco" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like a gun? >>>> Are >>>> we >>>> seriously even in the same book? >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>>> sleeves, >>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >>>> mobile speak and >>>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >>>> going to have to >>>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >>>> the software, >>>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >>>> my current >>>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>>> Thanks for the help >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hope, >>>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >>>> remember phone >>>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>>> >>>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >>>> with the brands >>>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >>>> much does the >>>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >>>> using a Braille >>>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >>>> you could get >>>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >>>> maintain. However, >>>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >>>> definitely think my >>>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >>>> Reader on >>>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >>>> different ideas, >>>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >>>> but it still >>>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >>>> telling us to >>>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >>>> not scanned >>>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >>>> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >>>> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >>>> needed, but the >>>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >>>> friends would never >>>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >>>> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >>>> Network. Visit >>>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>>> los%40maine.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >>>> tmidi.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>>> los%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:12:12 -0400 >>> From: "Joe Orozco" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <875CD51788B940A69DB9F8564D0C6CF0 at Rufus> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> The phone has a camera which you use to snap a picture of the document. >>> If >>> aimed correctly, the text should hopefully not be choppy, though the >>> software is supposed to automatically orient the text so that it can >>> scan >>> and read correctly. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their >>> sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:27 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> So How do you skan a document with it? Are the words choppy? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joe Orozco" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:48 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Man, what part of it's a phone makes you think it looks like >>> a gun? Are >>>> we >>>> seriously even in the same book? >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>> their sleeves, >>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:30 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> What does a KNFB reader look like? Does it look like a gun? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:42 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks J.J. I'm going to have to do some research. I have >>>> mobile speak and >>>>> an AT&T phone (which I have to upgrade anyway)... So I'm >>>> going to have to >>>>> get the price for just the phone and software. Or else just >>>> the software, >>>>> because I'm not sure if it costs me anything to upgrade from >>>> my current >>>>> phone to one compatible with KNFB Reader. >>>>> Thanks for the help >>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:19 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hope, >>>>>> The reader is compatible with AT&T and T-Mobile, though >>>> remember phone >>>>>> service is not required to use the reader. >>>>>> >>>>>> The current cost is roughly $1,770 which includes the screen reader. >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work >>>> with the brands >>>>>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how >>>> much does the >>>>>>> knfb reader cost? >>>>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>>>> Hope and Beignet >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jedi" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jorge, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>>>>> documents as text in the phone and read them in Braille >>>> using a Braille >>>>>>>> display. If you really want phone service with the phone, >>>> you could get >>>>>>>> a pre-paid plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to >>>> maintain. However, >>>>>>>> many of the phone's features are quite usable without the phone >>>>>>>> capabilities themselves. Does that make sense? I >>>> definitely think my >>>>>>>> high school years would have been much easier with a KNFB >>>> Reader on >>>>>>>> many levels. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>>>> Jedi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have >>>> different ideas, >>>>>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>>>>> there are times, specially towards the start of the year, >>>> but it still >>>>>>>>> happens that the Science or Social Studies teacher is >>>> telling us to >>>>>>>>> read out of certain books and we don't have them or its >>>> not scanned >>>>>>>>> yet, but we have to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go >>>> places--restaurants and the >>>>>>>>> like, the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me >>>> wrong, I'm not >>>>>>>>> against having things read to me when its absolutely >>>> needed, but the >>>>>>>>> thing is, I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with >>>>>>>>> friends? With my parents its fine, and I'm sure my >>>> friends would never >>>>>>>>> say anything, but if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>>>>> device? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>>>>> window cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jorge >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblin >>>> djedi%40samobile.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile >>>> Network. Visit >>>>>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>>> los%40maine.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bes >>>> tmidi.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.pau >>>> los%40maine.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature >>>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingj >>> acksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>> virus signature database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 5073 (20100429) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:56:59 -0500 >>> From: Kim Casey (by way of David Andrews >>> ) >>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote >>> family of Products >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> Announcing Sendero GPS 2010 for the BrailleNote family of Products >>> >>> Davis, CA. April 29, 2010 >>> >>> Version 2010 is Sendero's fourteenth version since our laptop GPS in >>> 2000. It has been 14 years since we began working on the first >>> prototypes. There are 24 improvements since version 6. >>> >>> Highlights of this 2010 version include: >>> >>> Sendero Maps software for virtual map exploration on a PC. Free with >>> new purchases. Check out our "Triple Play" promotion, 3 products for >>> the price of one! Visit http://senderogroup.com/news/deals.htm >>> >>> New updated 2010 maps and Points of Interest as well as a new Rich >>> Map engine and a new SQLite database engine. This includes access to >>> the dozens of transit company databases from the Google Transit >>> Feed. There is over 13GB of new map and POI data compared with 11GB >>> in the last release. >>> >>> Enjoy the new Favorites List and History List for easier POI access. >>> >>> Flexibility to choose the route type you want: Avoid toll roads, skip >>> freeways during peak traffic hours, pick shortest route, the choice is >>> yours. >>> >>> POI categories have been consolidated and now have the option to add >>> tags for environmental information. >>> >>> To see all 24 changes from v6 to v2010, visit >>> http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/v2010changes.htm >>> >>> For those of you who already have an upgrade on a BrailleNote or >>> VoiceNote and GPS, your upgrade is eagerly awaiting you at >>> http://www.GoSendero.com. To get started using version 2010 view the >>> V2010 online manuals, http://www.senderogroup.com/support/supportgps.htm >>> >>> For those of you who would like to try v2010 before you buy, download >>> the Trial Version, >>> http://senderogroup.com/products/GPS/testdrive.asp, for your >>> BrailleNote. You will have access to all countries we currently >>> support for the 30 days, after which you can purchase a full version, >>> opt for the Pay-As-You-Go payment plan, or uninstall the 30 day trial >>> version and re-install your old version of Sendero GPS. >>> >>> Call Sendero toll free, 1-888-757-6810 >>> >>> >>> >>> Contact Sendero Group: >>> http://www.senderogroup.com >>> Toll free phone (US and Canada): 1-888-757-6810 >>> Direct phone: +1 530 757-6800 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:48:31 -0400 >>> From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader >>> Message-ID: <3FA178C6CA5440F4B98E93F99BD3F073 at jage> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> George, >>> There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on >>> the >>> Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone service, >>> the >>> reader software and phone are still the same, and the costs are also the >>> same. >>> There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it >>> is >>> no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. >>> I hope this helps. >>> >>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jorge Paez" >>> To: >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >>> >>> >>>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>>> >>>> >>>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>>> trust >>>> the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and I've had >>>> some >>>> bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even if they claim >>>> to >>>> be accessible. >>>> >>>> >>>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>>> contract >>>> with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much for >>>> upgrading. >>>> >>>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>>> >>>> Jorge >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:03:25 -0500 >>> From: Valerie Gibson >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] knfb reader >>> Message-ID: <0344EBFB-C25E-4D83-8143-19AF3265776A at gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> >>> so i take it the ONLY reader you can get with portability is the knfb >>> reader for mobile, which is about the price as a kurzweil program. >>> think i'd just wait for the Iphone ap. >>> >>> >>> am i wrong on that first part?On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:48 AM, J.J. Meddaugh >>> wrote: >>> >>>> George, >>>> There is only one reader program, which is the software which runs on >>>> the Nokia cell phones. Even if you don't choose to have cell phone >>>> service, the reader software and phone are still the same, and the >>>> costs are also the same. >>>> There was a KNFB Reader Classic which was popular 3-4 years ago, but it >>>> is no longer in production. It was slower and bulkier, anyway. >>>> I hope this helps. >>>> >>>> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com >>>> A premier Licensed Code Factory and KNFB Reader distributor >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:36 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot for the opinions. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Valerie: yes they do have apps, but their free and to be honest, I'd >>>>> trust the KNFB more, because its made specially for the blind, and >>>>> I've had some bad experiences re: accessibility with iPhone apps--even >>>>> if they claim to be accessible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> J.J.: I'm looking at the stand-alone device, as I'm already in a >>>>> contract with my cellular carrier and they're gonna charge me too much >>>>> for upgrading. >>>>> >>>>> What's the price of a KNFB reader if its the stand alone unit? >>>>> >>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/valandkayla%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:00:30 -0400 >>> From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr." >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> Message-ID: <141866F72702479C90F51BDFC357CAE7 at userf9b4fa60eb> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=response >>> >>> The phones supported by the KNFB Reader are described on the Mike >>> Hingson >>> group web page as follows: >>> >>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/phone-info/phone_info.php >>> >>> NEW SUPPORTED PHONES >>> >>> The phones now supported with the initial release of version 6.3 are the >>> Nokia E71 (best used with the kReader Mobile), N79, N82, N85, N86, N95 8 >>> GB, >>> N95 >>> North American model, and the Nokia 6220 Classic. Please note that >>> changes >>> in phone models and availability must be expected. However, phones which >>> become >>> unavailable from suppliers will continue to be supported for use with >>> the >>> Mobile Reader software as changes are made to support newer phones and >>> models >>> as they become available. This applies at present to the N82 and the >>> 6220 >>> Classic. >>> >>> This page includes important information about each supported phone as >>> well >>> as links to obtain detailed specifications. Please check back >>> periodically >>> to >>> keep up to date as more phones are added to the list. Checking with >>> various >>> suppliers for availability and price is recommended. >>> >>> The price of the reader will depend on the phone you buy with it, and >>> whether you already own a version of talks. >>> >>> Prices are listed at >>> >>> >>> http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com/purchase/price-list.php >>> >>> The reader is $1595 with an N82 phone, and $1770 with the much faster >>> processing from an N86 phone. >>> >>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. >>> >>> Student, Western Governors University >>> (617) 744-9716 >>> Eastern time zone >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Hope Paulos" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 12:26 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>> >>> >>>> Can someone tell me which phone service does *not* work with the brands >>>> that run the knfb reader software? Also, approximately how much does >>>> the >>>> knfb reader cost? >>>> Thanks so much! >>>> Hope and Beignet >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jedi" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 10:27 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jorge, >>>>> >>>>> I would recommend the KNFB Reader especially since you can save >>>>> documents >>>>> as text in the phone and read them in Braille using a Braille display. >>>>> If >>>>> you really want phone service with the phone, you could get a pre-paid >>>>> plan so it wouldn't be too expensive to maintain. However, many of the >>>>> phone's features are quite usable without the phone capabilities >>>>> themselves. Does that make sense? I definitely think my high school >>>>> years >>>>> would have been much easier with a KNFB Reader on many levels. >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully, >>>>> Jedi >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>> I'm now starting highschool this fall in NYC, and I'm considering >>>>>> several things to get to be ready for school. I have different ideas, >>>>>> depending on what I noticed, but one of things I realized is that >>>>>> there >>>>>> are times, specially towards the start of the year, but it still >>>>>> happens >>>>>> that the Science or Social Studies teacher is telling us to read out >>>>>> of >>>>>> certain books and we don't have them or its not scanned yet, but we >>>>>> have >>>>>> to do the classwork for that day. >>>>>> Do you think the KNFB READER would be a good idea to get? >>>>> >>>>>> The other thing too is that when we go places--restaurants and the >>>>>> like, >>>>>> the menus have to be read to me. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not >>>>>> against >>>>>> having things read to me when its absolutely needed, but the thing >>>>>> is, >>>>>> I'm always thinking - what if I'm by myself? Or with friends? With my >>>>>> parents its fine, and I'm sure my friends would never say anything, >>>>>> but >>>>>> if I can do this by myself why not? >>>>> >>>>>> What do you guys think? Is it worth saving up for a KNFB mobile >>>>>> device? >>>>> >>>>>> (getting the cell version is would force our family plan out the >>>>>> window >>>>>> cause we'd have to switch companies) >>>>> >>>>>> Any feedback is appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>> Jorge >>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>>>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40maine.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 42, Issue 31 >>> ************************************** >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com