From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Wed Dec  1 01:45:18 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:45:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
Message-ID: <211F2BF9-0E1E-43FB-BD9B-6A2CF4549A8A@mac.com>

Hi all:
I have a copy of APH's Talking Typer  but have no use for it anymore and was wondering if any one wants it.

If so, please email me offline.

Note: this copy is free. No price attached of any kind.

Thanks,

Jorge


From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Wed Dec  1 05:39:41 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 21:39:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
References: <211F2BF9-0E1E-43FB-BD9B-6A2CF4549A8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4C44CAAF354A4987A11D6F011E64C722@stanford.edu>

What's Talking Typer?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer


> Hi all:
> I have a copy of APH's Talking Typer  but have no use for it anymore and 
> was wondering if any one wants it.
>
> If so, please email me offline.
>
> Note: this copy is free. No price attached of any kind.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
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From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Wed Dec  1 12:23:26 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 07:23:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
In-Reply-To: <4C44CAAF354A4987A11D6F011E64C722@stanford.edu>
References: <211F2BF9-0E1E-43FB-BD9B-6A2CF4549A8A@mac.com>
	<4C44CAAF354A4987A11D6F011E64C722@stanford.edu>
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Its a program that teaches you how to type on the computer keyboard.


On Dec 1, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote:

> What's Talking Typer?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 5:45 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
> 
> 
>> Hi all:
>> I have a copy of APH's Talking Typer  but have no use for it anymore and was wondering if any one wants it.
>> 
>> If so, please email me offline.
>> 
>> Note: this copy is free. No price attached of any kind.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jorge
>> 
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From davidschool97 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 13:06:30 2010
From: davidschool97 at gmail.com (David Thomas)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 07:06:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
In-Reply-To: <211F2BF9-0E1E-43FB-BD9B-6A2CF4549A8A@mac.com>
References: <211F2BF9-0E1E-43FB-BD9B-6A2CF4549A8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DFF70C65-71CC-4E31-8198-729E5D151791@gmail.com>

Send it to me is it student or teacher thanks David

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 30, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:

> Hi all:
> I have a copy of APH's Talking Typer  but have no use for it anymore and was wondering if any one wants it.
> 
> If so, please email me offline.
> 
> Note: this copy is free. No price attached of any kind.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
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From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 14:34:14 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:34:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] game accessibility
Message-ID: <4CF65CE6.5060907@gmail.com>

Hi

I Read this on another list and I thought I'd pass it along.

Hi Hayden,

If you are talking about segregation that is a thing of the past in
the U.S. However, descrimination is a totally different story.
Descrimination is, and probably always will be, the human way of
things.It seams most people have some sort of pinheaded descrimination
based on someone's sex, disability, race, religion, or nationality.

With us though there are times companies can get away with
descrimination simply because we don't have a large enough
organization to fight for things like accessible video games or basic
things like making companies like G.E. to produce talking microwaves
for the general market. the organizations we do have such as NFB seam
to pass right over such issues and they rarely if ever take up an
issue or cause I think needs to be addressed.

Perhaps if NFB, ACB, and AFB got together and seriously pushed for
accessible vidio games for the XBox, Play Station, and Wii that might
actually get those companies attention and bring them to the table at
least. However, that's just dreaming because those organizations seam
to not have any interest in taking up game accessibility as an
important issue.

However, that's not the only one where organizations like that have
completely failed us. there are hundreds of devices from Track Phones
to DVD Recorders that are totally inaccessible from an accessibility
standpoint, and the NFB and friends sit by and do nothing, say
nothing, and we are falling behind the technological revolution. There
is frankly no excuse for companies not to add text to speech and other
features to their phone, DVD Recorder, etc other than they wanted to
cut costs somewhere, and we as customers of such devices are
expendable.






From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 14:45:28 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:45:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible products
Message-ID: <4CF65F88.9080805@gmail.com>

Hi

My question is this. Why is the nfb and ACB and AFB not pushing for 
accessibility in x-box, accessible nintendo wii? accessible dvr? If we 
had these things it would put us on an even more equal level with 
sighted people. Why not push for companies to add text-to-speech to the 
dvr? x-box, nintendo? make both braille and text to speech a standard on 
washing machines, dryers, and other appliances? Also instead of striking 
out on its own, why doesn't the nfb, ACB and AFB all work with google 
and apple to make the ultimate car that blind people can drive? Clearly 
there's a lot of work to be done still. Does the nfb ACB and AFB not 
care about such matters as accessible x-box, accessible nintendo, and 
dvr? Don't get me wrong we have more choices than we did ten years ago 
ut there's still a long way to go I think. In some ways with tv and dvr 
and stuff we're behind with the technology. That's good that apple tv is 
accessible. But the fact remains that my dish network dvr box, and my tv 
set doesn't have talking menus and a talking program guide. Also for 
some reason descriptive video is more prevalent in the United Kingdom 
than here in the USA. why? why is that? So far in the United States, 
deaf people get more on tv than we do. closed captioning is everywhere, 
but for blind folks there is very little in the way of descriptive video 
unless you get it from the united kingdom. I'm simply stating facts here 
guys on issues that I feel nfb ACB and AFB must address in order for us 
to be on a more equal level with the sighted people we interact with 
everyday.

Josh


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec  1 14:46:56 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:46:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio Books from RFB&D Are Now Accessible on the Mac
Message-ID: <auto-000183756145@mailfront1.g2host.com>


[]


Audio Books from RFB&D Are Now Accessible on the Mac

A new software player for Mac and Windows users 
makes reading and educational content more 
accessible for people with learning differences.

Princeton, NJ (Vocus) November 29, 2010

Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic® (RFB&D®), the 
nation’s largest provider of educational audio 
textbooks, announced that its entire collection 
is now accessible on Mac as well as Windows 
operating systems through the introduction of 
RFB&D ReadHear, developed by gh, LLC in partnership with RFB&D.

“This is truly a milestone on our path to make 
educational content more accessible for those who 
need it most,” says Andrew Friedman, acting CEO 
of RFB&D. “Our individual and institutional 
members are eager to tap the spectrum of 
assistive technologies available today. While 
satisfying users who have been asking for access 
to our materials on the Mac, this dual-platform 
approach also provides an advanced solution for 
our large base of Windows users. We look forward 
to widening their range of accessibility even more in the coming year.”

Background:
    *     This long awaited development is the 
result of RFB&D’s extensive collaboration with 
gh, LLC, an assistive technology company 
specializing in access to information for people 
with visual, learning or physical disabilities.
    *     A new dual-platform software player 
developed by gh enables users to access the 
entire library of RFB&D DAISY-formatted content 
on both Mac and Windows systems. The new 
technology will also support RFB&D’s developing 
generation of content containing digital text and audio.
    *     Thanks to funding provided by the U.S. 
Department of Education, RFB&D will license the 
player to individual members for free (one copy 
per member, renewable after one year).
    *     A brief video product demonstration of 
the new RFB&D ReadHear solution is posted at 
http://www.rfbd.org/readhear]. The page is a 
one-stop info hub for Mac OS and Windows users, 
featuring technical specifications, “How To” and 
“Quick Start” documents; and an FAQ.
    *     Institutional members (e.g. school 
systems) can obtain information and price quotes 
regarding licensing opportunities by contacting 
James Higgins, Vice President RFB&D Programs and 
Services at jhiggins(at)rfbd(at)org.
“This is a positive step forward for 
accessibility,” says Alexa Posny, Assistant 
Secretary in the Office of Special Education and 
Rehabilitative Services at the U.S. Department of 
Education. “People with learning differences can 
thrive when their menu of technology options is open and diverse.”

““I found ReadHear very easy to download and set 
up, and it really streamlines the study process,” 
says Elizabeth Burns, a visually impaired 
graduate student in upstate New York who is 
pursuing her doctorate in American History. “I 
spend several hours reading and studying every 
day, using a few devices along with my computer. 
I was constantly shifting between devices to 
listen and take notes. Now by being able to 
access a recorded book and take notes on my 
computer, it’s a matter of just a few keystrokes 
between one program and the other, which is 
marvelous because it reduces the amount of physical effort.”

“gh has worked as the industry leader for many 
years on developing state-of-the-art software to 
support DAISY books on a variety of platforms,” 
adds Dave Schleppenbach, President of gh, LLC. 
“Our mission is to assist as many students as 
possible with cutting-edge technology to support 
their varied learning styles. Working with RFB&D 
is a tremendous opportunity to reach students 
across the country, hopefully changing lives for the better.”

About Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic®
Founded in 1948, RFB&D serves more than 270,000 
K-12, college and graduate students, as well as 
veterans and lifelong learners – all of whom 
cannot read standard print due to blindness, 
visual impairment, dyslexia, or other disability. 
RFB&D's collection of more than 63,000 digitally 
recorded textbooks and literature titles – 
delivered through internet downloads, various 
assistive technology devices, and CD – is the 
largest of its kind in the world. More than 5,400 
volunteers across the U.S. help to record and 
process the books, which students rely on to 
achieve educational success and entry into the 
workforce. RFB&D, a 501(c)3 nonprofit, is funded 
by grants from the U.S. Department of Education, 
state and local education programs, and the 
generous contributions of individuals, 
foundations and corporations. For more 
information, call (866) 732-3585 or visit http://www.rfbd.org].

About gh, LLC
gh, LLC is an award-winning assistive technology 
company providing access to information for 
people with a visual, learning or physical 
disability, whether they are reading a textbook, 
publication, standardized test, or website. 
Conversion services include Braille, tactile 
graphics, Digital Talking Books, and NIMAS 
formats. For more information on gh, LLC, click here.

Contact: Doug Sprei, Director of Media Relations
dsprei(at)rfbd(dot)org; (202) 684-8915

# # #

Contact Information
Doug Sprei, Director of Media Relations
Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic
<http://www.rfbd.org>http://www.rfbd.org
202-684-8915



From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 14:49:42 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:49:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] game accessibility
Message-ID: <4CF66086.80605@gmail.com>

from gamers list...

Hi Neo.

perhaps your not familiar with some of the history here which is the reason
why people are antagonistic ttowards main stream access.

tom, myself and various others have frequently attempted to start
discussions about including access features in games by companies like
Nintendo, capcom, sony etc, and have been repeatedly stone walled at every
turn.

As to the developement angle, any time someone has tried to develope an
accessible game using commercial trade marks they've also ended up in a lot
of trouble. Tom has had several projects vetoed by companies in particular.

then, there is the question of resources. Modding is a well establish
process, and uses many of the libraries and parts of the game initially
created by the company themselves. audio games developement has to go
completely from the ground up. this not only makes things hugely more
difficult, but also means developement of a free game actualy costs the
developer money through having to buy libraries etc, sinse remember many of
the free resources and aides to game creation available to create graphical
games are not open to audio game devs.

So, the bottom line isthe majority of main stream companies have no 
interest
in access and, sinse audio game devs don't have the cash to pay millions of
dollars in licences aren't prepared even to help.

So, if Tom wanted to create an audio starwars game he'd have to do it
entirely for free, ---- and even then it's quite possible lucas arts would
have his gizards (as has happened before with for instance light tech's
planned starwars project).

I hope this explains the tone of things.

As to game creation, some amazing things have been done with audio games,
and I'd love people from nintendo etc to take an interest, ---- but as I
said, sinse it's not going to make them huge wodges of cash, they don't, 
and
even having a reasonable conversation with them is near impossible.

Beware the grue!

Dark.



From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 14:50:15 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 09:50:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] games
Message-ID: <4CF660A7.9020205@gmail.com>

from gamers list...

Hi Neo.

perhaps your not familiar with some of the history here which is the reason
why people are antagonistic ttowards main stream access.

tom, myself and various others have frequently attempted to start
discussions about including access features in games by companies like
Nintendo, capcom, sony etc, and have been repeatedly stone walled at every
turn.

As to the developement angle, any time someone has tried to develope an
accessible game using commercial trade marks they've also ended up in a lot
of trouble. Tom has had several projects vetoed by companies in particular.

then, there is the question of resources. Modding is a well establish
process, and uses many of the libraries and parts of the game initially
created by the company themselves. audio games developement has to go
completely from the ground up. this not only makes things hugely more
difficult, but also means developement of a free game actualy costs the
developer money through having to buy libraries etc, sinse remember many of
the free resources and aides to game creation available to create graphical
games are not open to audio game devs.

So, the bottom line isthe majority of main stream companies have no 
interest
in access and, sinse audio game devs don't have the cash to pay millions of
dollars in licences aren't prepared even to help.

So, if Tom wanted to create an audio starwars game he'd have to do it
entirely for free, ---- and even then it's quite possible lucas arts would
have his gizards (as has happened before with for instance light tech's
planned starwars project).

I hope this explains the tone of things.

As to game creation, some amazing things have been done with audio games,
and I'd love people from nintendo etc to take an interest, ---- but as I
said, sinse it's not going to make them huge wodges of cash, they don't, 
and
even having a reasonable conversation with them is near impossible.

Beware the grue!

Dark.



From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec  1 14:58:43 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:58:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] WebAIM's 3rd Screen Reader User Survey
Message-ID: <auto-000183759655@mailfront1.g2host.com>

If you use a screen reader, I would urge you to take this 
survey.  These folks do good work and gather and disseminate valuable 
information to the disabled, web development, accessibility and other 
communities.

David Andrews, List owner


From: webaim-forum-bounces at list.webaim.org
[mailto:webaim-forum-bounces at list.webaim.org]
On Behalf Of Jared Smith
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2010 11:21 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: [WebAIM] WebAIM's 3rd Screen Reader User Survey
We are pleased to announce our 3rd screen reader user survey -
http://weba.im/survey3
If you use a screen reader, please take a few minutes to complete it.
The results provide invaluable information to web developers,
standards bodies, assistive technology vendors, and others that are
passionate about web accessibility. You can see the results of our
previous surveys at
http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey/
  and
http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey2/
  This survey will give
us trends and changes from previous surveys, as well as insight into
many new and interesting questions.
It's important that we get many screen reader users to complete the
survey. Even if you use a screen reader only for evaluation and
testing, your responses are valuable - particularly because they
provide a useful comparison with other screen reader users.
Please help us spread the word and the URL -
http://weba.im/survey3
Thanks!
Jared Smith
WebAIM.org



From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 15:01:57 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 10:01:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more accessibility issues
Message-ID: <4CF66365.9030201@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:17:22 -0500
From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 at gmail.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers at audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream brands and how to work with them
Message-ID:
	<AANLkTinJpFbC14ewNRBr10MnnA78cByjqcP=Ufq9_EHu at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi Neo,

Well, to be honest there is a presedents for being a little
antagonistic  towards game companies and their products. I myself have
been at the receiving end mor than once.

For example, in 2004 a person named James North was in the process of
making a retro remake of Montezuma's Revenge for the Vi community. In
2006 he decided to get out of the game business and I took over
several of his products. Early in 2008 I had pretty much completed
Montezuma's Revenge when I got a notice from the copyright holder to
stop all production of the title. Since I had just put two entire
years into that project I was reasonably angry with them. All the same
I agreed to the terms and started over, from scratch, with Mysteries
of the Ancients.

I think what burns my tail more than anything is Montezuma's Revenge
had been put out by Parker Brother's in 1984 for the Atari 2600 and
later for the Atari 5200. It did well for the time, but let's face it
that game hasn't been sold in over 25 years. Creating a retro remake
of that game would have not hurt their profits, nor effected the
company in anyway.  Still they insisted on enforcing their copyrights
even though the game itself is dead. Anyone with sight can just grab
the rom for the original Montezuma's Revenge from an Atari fan site
and fire it up in Stella whatever. I think the copyright holder in
that case is just being a jurk.

So you ask why I'm a little antagonistic   towards Lucas Arts and a
trademark like Star Wars. Well, about three or four years ago I
tracked down contact information for Lucas Licensing about properly
licensing the Star Wars trademark and to get official permission to
produce accessible versions of some of my favorite Star Wars games
like Jedi Knight, Rebel Asult, Dark Forces, etc. Well, they gave me a
load of crap about how those titles were exclusive to Lucas Arts and
if I wanted to properly license the Star Wars trademarks and names I'd
have to basically end up owing them thousands of dollars in licensing
fees. When I try to explain to them I was a blind developer, was only
expecting to sell maybe 1,000 copies, and wouldn't be able to raise
the kind of money they are expecting they gave me a flat out no. When
I asked them if I could release the games as freeware they still
wanted me to legally license the trademark weather I sold a single
game or not.

Ummm...Isn't there something wrong with this picture? Now, I think I
have good reason to not only be antagonistic  but outright upset with
that sort of treatment. I'm not out to make millions off their
trademark, but I do want to create some free or commercial Star wars
games for a very limited nitch market without the threat of being
sued. Doing so would not effect Lucas Arts or any other branch of
Lucas Film financially as they obviously don't consider us a target
market else they would have made all their games accessible already.

The point I'm getting at is unlike modding your favorite game using
their tools, their engine, etc they force me to write the entire game
from scratch without a dimes worth of financial compensation. Further
more if I do so without the trademark being properly licensed I can
technically be sued for copyright infringement.  Weather they actually
go through with it or not is beside the point. They could have at
least approved it as long as it was free or something like that, but
clearly I didn't have the money they wanted so their attitude was "get
lost."

However, I do agree with you about criticising through creation. I do
feel if I took one of Lucas Arts games, say Dark Forces, and make it
accessible it would be an excellent example of how one of their older
games can be updated and improved. After all, that game was designed
for Windows 95, uses DirectX 6, and hasn't been in stores for at least
12 years.  In fact, all of the Star Wars games I remember from high
school Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight II, Dark Forces, Rebel Assault, you
name it were all games from the early to mid 1990's. Creating a free
updated version isn't exactly going to hurt Lucas Arts sales any since
they aren't currently selling them anyway. They have no reason to get
anal about the whole thing.

Cheers!


From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 19:22:39 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:22:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible products
In-Reply-To: <4CF65F88.9080805@gmail.com>
References: <4CF65F88.9080805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSSMY_N9tXB+6c-M6_VDPr5E3VcrVvsCFq-kKU@mail.gmail.com>

Josh,
You should read about the new Technology Access Act...I don't know
details, and I'm so out of it today, but I wanted to at least get you
looking for it. President Obama just signed it. It is to mandate
access to technology and appliances for the disabled, including the
blind. It covers television menus, DVS, closed caption for the deaf,
touch screen accessibility for stoves, microwaves, washing machines,
and all sorts of products. It also covers phones and computer access.
It is a great bill, but I am still waiting to see it start to be
pushed. I haven't heard any news on anything being done after the
signing of the bill.

I know, video games are great and fun. But there are much more
important things, including menus on televisions, DVD players,
cellphones, touchscreen appliances, kiosks, ATMs, and even card
machines at stores (there is a Rite-Aid near me that doesn't have
accessible card machines, meaning when I swipe my card, I have to
either swipe it as credit or have someone else put in my PIN. Not
cool!

Anyone know what President Obama is doing to push this bill he just
signed for access to technology and appliances?

On 12/1/10, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> My question is this. Why is the nfb and ACB and AFB not pushing for
> accessibility in x-box, accessible nintendo wii? accessible dvr? If we
> had these things it would put us on an even more equal level with
> sighted people. Why not push for companies to add text-to-speech to the
> dvr? x-box, nintendo? make both braille and text to speech a standard on
> washing machines, dryers, and other appliances? Also instead of striking
> out on its own, why doesn't the nfb, ACB and AFB all work with google
> and apple to make the ultimate car that blind people can drive? Clearly
> there's a lot of work to be done still. Does the nfb ACB and AFB not
> care about such matters as accessible x-box, accessible nintendo, and
> dvr? Don't get me wrong we have more choices than we did ten years ago
> ut there's still a long way to go I think. In some ways with tv and dvr
> and stuff we're behind with the technology. That's good that apple tv is
> accessible. But the fact remains that my dish network dvr box, and my tv
> set doesn't have talking menus and a talking program guide. Also for
> some reason descriptive video is more prevalent in the United Kingdom
> than here in the USA. why? why is that? So far in the United States,
> deaf people get more on tv than we do. closed captioning is everywhere,
> but for blind folks there is very little in the way of descriptive video
> unless you get it from the united kingdom. I'm simply stating facts here
> guys on issues that I feel nfb ACB and AFB must address in order for us
> to be on a more equal level with the sighted people we interact with
> everyday.
>
> Josh
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 19:31:36 2010
From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 13:31:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Community service conference call
Message-ID: <AANLkTin0yAMjG_xb-Yeo+-WizOQ0S1bDgSTDKOPqJFsC@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone.

My name is Julie McGinnity.  I am the outreach person for the
community service group.  If you ever have any questions, feel free to
email this address--nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com, and I will do my best to
answer.

It's time for another community service conference call!  This month
we have a guest speaker, who is going to talk about her experiences
volunteering for the Canadian Red cross.  You can't miss it!

When: Sunday December 5th 6 P.M. EST
Where: phone number 218.339.3600
 Passcode: 808277

Any questions? Please contact me.  Can't wait to see you on the call!

Julie (AKA Madame Outreach)


From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 19:32:00 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:32:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] more accessibility issues
In-Reply-To: <4CF66365.9030201@gmail.com>
References: <4CF66365.9030201@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimL=-Yd-wnJaBupX0oyy1bR+znarmeY1_kBzDJh@mail.gmail.com>

Josh,
Thank you for telling us about this discussion on the Gamers World
listserv. However, I don't think it is appropriate to forward the full
e-mails to this list. I'll let the moderators speak on this, but I
think it's a privacy issue for the members of the other list. Do they
want their e-mails forwarded? What is that listserv's policy on
passing around e-mails?

I'm not trying to discourage you from sharing conversations. I'm just
asking that you either get permission from the list and/or the authors
of the e-mails or just give us a summary. The latter would be a better
option, as we could join the other list if we wished to read the
entire conversation and participate in it.

Moderators, thoughs? It just kinda irks me is all...

On 12/1/10, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 23:17:22 -0500
> From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 at gmail.com>
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers at audyssey.org>
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream brands and how to work with them
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTinJpFbC14ewNRBr10MnnA78cByjqcP=Ufq9_EHu at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Neo,
>
> Well, to be honest there is a presedents for being a little
> antagonistic  towards game companies and their products. I myself have
> been at the receiving end mor than once.
>
> For example, in 2004 a person named James North was in the process of
> making a retro remake of Montezuma's Revenge for the Vi community. In
> 2006 he decided to get out of the game business and I took over
> several of his products. Early in 2008 I had pretty much completed
> Montezuma's Revenge when I got a notice from the copyright holder to
> stop all production of the title. Since I had just put two entire
> years into that project I was reasonably angry with them. All the same
> I agreed to the terms and started over, from scratch, with Mysteries
> of the Ancients.
>
> I think what burns my tail more than anything is Montezuma's Revenge
> had been put out by Parker Brother's in 1984 for the Atari 2600 and
> later for the Atari 5200. It did well for the time, but let's face it
> that game hasn't been sold in over 25 years. Creating a retro remake
> of that game would have not hurt their profits, nor effected the
> company in anyway.  Still they insisted on enforcing their copyrights
> even though the game itself is dead. Anyone with sight can just grab
> the rom for the original Montezuma's Revenge from an Atari fan site
> and fire it up in Stella whatever. I think the copyright holder in
> that case is just being a jurk.
>
> So you ask why I'm a little antagonistic   towards Lucas Arts and a
> trademark like Star Wars. Well, about three or four years ago I
> tracked down contact information for Lucas Licensing about properly
> licensing the Star Wars trademark and to get official permission to
> produce accessible versions of some of my favorite Star Wars games
> like Jedi Knight, Rebel Asult, Dark Forces, etc. Well, they gave me a
> load of crap about how those titles were exclusive to Lucas Arts and
> if I wanted to properly license the Star Wars trademarks and names I'd
> have to basically end up owing them thousands of dollars in licensing
> fees. When I try to explain to them I was a blind developer, was only
> expecting to sell maybe 1,000 copies, and wouldn't be able to raise
> the kind of money they are expecting they gave me a flat out no. When
> I asked them if I could release the games as freeware they still
> wanted me to legally license the trademark weather I sold a single
> game or not.
>
> Ummm...Isn't there something wrong with this picture? Now, I think I
> have good reason to not only be antagonistic  but outright upset with
> that sort of treatment. I'm not out to make millions off their
> trademark, but I do want to create some free or commercial Star wars
> games for a very limited nitch market without the threat of being
> sued. Doing so would not effect Lucas Arts or any other branch of
> Lucas Film financially as they obviously don't consider us a target
> market else they would have made all their games accessible already.
>
> The point I'm getting at is unlike modding your favorite game using
> their tools, their engine, etc they force me to write the entire game
> from scratch without a dimes worth of financial compensation. Further
> more if I do so without the trademark being properly licensed I can
> technically be sued for copyright infringement.  Weather they actually
> go through with it or not is beside the point. They could have at
> least approved it as long as it was free or something like that, but
> clearly I didn't have the money they wanted so their attitude was "get
> lost."
>
> However, I do agree with you about criticising through creation. I do
> feel if I took one of Lucas Arts games, say Dark Forces, and make it
> accessible it would be an excellent example of how one of their older
> games can be updated and improved. After all, that game was designed
> for Windows 95, uses DirectX 6, and hasn't been in stores for at least
> 12 years.  In fact, all of the Star Wars games I remember from high
> school Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight II, Dark Forces, Rebel Assault, you
> name it were all games from the early to mid 1990's. Creating a free
> updated version isn't exactly going to hurt Lucas Arts sales any since
> they aren't currently selling them anyway. They have no reason to get
> anal about the whole thing.
>
> Cheers!
>
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From carroll.kathryn.e at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 21:45:08 2010
From: carroll.kathryn.e at gmail.com (Kate Carroll)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:45:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinUSTx6_oqz7F32uk1CxHb1nk5rPpvrbmwZ8tnN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinUSTx6_oqz7F32uk1CxHb1nk5rPpvrbmwZ8tnN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikgogqQJQ+MtyxwBNFDOpkjjc2ioiGxqA=pnZ_b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arielle,

I just thought I would shoot you a blurb concerning the tremendous strides
NYABS has been making. Since the the division was reinstated a little over a
year ago the student division had grown in leaps and bounds. Membership has
increased greatly, and several local chapters are in the process of being
established. We are also planning on having our first Student Seminar in the
upcoming year.

Best, and thanks,

Kate Carroll

On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Do you have suggested additions for the next bulletin? If so, please
> send them to me at
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Thanks!
> Arielle
>
> --
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
>
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From netgirl at samobile.net  Wed Dec  1 22:00:47 2010
From: netgirl at samobile.net (Jessica Watson)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:00:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard question
Message-ID: <20101201220047.28418.89127@domU-12-31-38-07-3C-65.compute-1.internal>

Hi everyone.  What version of blackboard is accessible?  The college I 
want to attend uses blackboard version 8, but I have been informed they 
will be moving to version 9 during the spring 2011 semester.  Thank you 
for any information you can provide.

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  1 22:05:12 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:05:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikgogqQJQ+MtyxwBNFDOpkjjc2ioiGxqA=pnZ_b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinUSTx6_oqz7F32uk1CxHb1nk5rPpvrbmwZ8tnN@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikgogqQJQ+MtyxwBNFDOpkjjc2ioiGxqA=pnZ_b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikNRURReLYBbs5JAb6cLKi2iERKs1iu0DW5QHvq@mail.gmail.com>

Kate and nabsters,
   As  both a leader with in the national student division, and most
importantly a fellow student.  I am very pleased, proud and excited
for   the New York association  of Blind Students. The work they have
put  into building  the student division in their state is very
commendable and  encouraging.  It reminds  us of the work we all  are
able to acheve when we really put our best efforts and  talents to
task.  It is true that no one person or group of people can do
everything  by themselves.  It takes a team effort, a community
effort.  Heres to NYABS, and here's to the work that all of us are
doing.  May we stay the course and never  waver in our collective
efforts, because  we are building something  great, and it is the
energy and  belief that fuels our relentless drive.
  Best,
  Darian

On 12/1/10, Kate Carroll <carroll.kathryn.e at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Arielle,
>
> I just thought I would shoot you a blurb concerning the tremendous strides
> NYABS has been making. Since the the division was reinstated a little over a
> year ago the student division had grown in leaps and bounds. Membership has
> increased greatly, and several local chapters are in the process of being
> established. We are also planning on having our first Student Seminar in the
> upcoming year.
>
> Best, and thanks,
>
> Kate Carroll
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Do you have suggested additions for the next bulletin? If so, please
>> send them to me at
>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>> Thanks!
>> Arielle
>>
>> --
>> Arielle Silverman
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>> Email:
>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>> Website:
>> www.nabslink.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carroll.kathryn.e%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> St. John's University College of Law 2013
> 631-521-3018
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec  1 23:44:04 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:44:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Lack of blind consumer input in advanced services
 proceeding
Message-ID: <auto-000180448225@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>Content-class: urn:content-classes:message
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="iso-8859-1"
>Subject: Lack of blind consumer input in advanced services proceeding
>Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:34:53 -0500
>Thread-Topic: Lack of blind consumer input in advanced services proceeding
>Thread-Index: AcuRsFqGUIipMy9zTpOc0JKb/e/CHA==
>From: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui at fcc.gov>
>To: "Jamal Mazrui" <Jamal.Mazrui at fcc.gov>
>
>I thought you may want to know that there do not 
>appear to be any comments filed by blind 
>consumers in an FCC proceeding that will define 
>what advanced services are covered by the 21st 
>Century Communications and Video Accessibility 
>Act.  The reply comment period of this phase of 
>the proceeding ends next Tuesday, December 7.
>
>Since the FCC's Electronic Comment Filing System 
>(ECFS) is not screen reader-friendly at present, 
>I took the time to download and convert all 
>relevant comments I could find from PDF to 
>text.  Due to current security limitations of 
>our email system regarding zip attachments, I have posted the collection at
>
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/advanced_services_proceeding.zip
>
>The archive also includes the public notice, 
>converted from Word format.  For convenient 
>review, I am also pasting its content below.
>
>I hope this outreach is helpful.
>
>Jamal Mazrui
>Deputy Director, Accessibility and Innovation Initiative
>Federal Communications Commission
>202.418.0069
>
>
>
>DA 10-2029
>Release Date:  October 21, 2010
>
>CONSUMER & GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS BUREAU AND 
>WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUREAU SEEK COMMENT 
>ON ADVANCED COMMUNICATION PROVISIONS OF THE 
>TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY COMMUNICATIONS AND VIDEO ACCESSIBILITY ACT OF 2010
>
>CG Docket No. 10-213
>
>Comment Date:  November 22, 2010
>Reply Comment Date:  December 7, 2010
>
>
>I. INTRODUCTION
>        On October 8, 2010, the President signed 
> into law the "Twenty-First Century 
> Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 
> 2010," ("Accessibility Act" or "Act").1  The 
> law's provisions are designed to ensure that 
> individuals with disabilities have access to 
> emerging Internet Protocol-based communication 
> and video programming technologies in the 21st Century.
>        Section 104 of Title I of the Act adds 
> new Sections 716, 717, and 718 to the 
> Communications Act of 1934, as amended.2  New 
> Section 716 requires the Commission, within one 
> year after enactment, to promulgate rules 
> providing persons with disabilities access to 
> advanced communications services and the 
> equipment and networks used for such 
> services.3  This Section builds upon the policy 
> objectives set forth in Section 255 of the 
> Communications Act,4 which was added by the 
> Telecommunications Act of 1996.5   The purpose 
> of this Public Notice ("Notice") is to solicit 
> public input on the meaning of key provisions 
> in new Section 716, as well as ways to 
> implement new recordkeeping obligations imposed 
> by new Section 717 on entities subject to 
> Sections 255, 716, and 718.6  In addition, this 
> Notice seeks comment on the obligation imposed 
> by new Section 718 on manufacturers and service 
> providers to provide access to Internet 
> browsers in telephones used with public mobile 
> services by blind or visually-impaired 
> individuals.7  The record received in response 
> to this Notice will assist in the development 
> of the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking required by the Accessibility Act.
>
>II. SECTION 716 REQUIREMENTS
>        Section 716 requires providers of 
> advanced communications services and 
> manufacturers of equipment and software used 
> with those services to ensure that their 
> equipment and software offered for sale after 
> the effective date of the rules promulgated by 
> the Commission will be accessible to and usable 
> by persons with disabilities, unless not 
> achievable.8  We seek comment on the meaning of 
> these requirements and specifically seek input on the issues set forth below.
>        1.  Advanced Communications 
> Services.  Section 101 of Title I of the Act 
> defines "advanced communications services" to 
> mean (A) interconnected VoIP service; (B) 
> non-interconnected VoIP service; (C) electronic 
> messaging service; and (D) interoperable video 
> conferencing service.9  While the Commission's 
> rules already define interconnected VoIP 
> service,10 the Act provides new definitions for 
> non-interconnected VoIP service,11 "electronic 
> messaging service"12 and "interoperable video 
> conferencing service"13  We seek comment on 
> each of these new definitions as they should 
> apply to the provisions for accessibility, 
> usability and compatibility contained in 
> Section 104 of the Act. We also seek comment on 
> the extent to which equipment used by people 
> with disabilities for point-to-point video 
> communications and video relay services should 
> be considered equipment used for "interoperable video conferencing service."
>
>        2.  Achievable.  Section 104 of the Act 
> adds the new term "achievable" to gauge 
> compliance with the newly created Sections 716 
> and 718, defining this to mean "with reasonable 
> effort or expense."14  In determining whether 
> the requirements of a provision are 
> "achievable," the Commission must consider the 
> following factors:  (1) the nature and cost of 
> the steps needed to meet the requirements of 
> this Section with respect to the specific 
> equipment or service in question; (2) the 
> technical and economic impact on the operation 
> of the manufacturer or provider and on the 
> operation of the specific equipment or service 
> in question, including on the development and 
> deployment of new communications technologies; 
> (3) the type of operations of the manufacturer 
> or provider; and (4) the extent to which the 
> service provider or manufacturer in question 
> offers accessible services or equipment 
> containing varying degrees of functionality and 
> features, and offered at differing price points.15
>
>        We seek comment on how best to provide 
> further guidance on this new 
> definition.  Specifically, how does the 
> "achievable" standard compare to the "readily 
> achievable" standard set forth in Section 255 
> of the Communications Act?16  What does 
> "reasonable effort and expense" mean in the 
> context of providing access to advanced 
> communications equipment and services?  What is 
> the best way of evaluating the extent to which 
> a service provider or manufacturer is offering 
> a variety of accessible services and equipment 
> containing varying degrees of functionality and 
> features, and offered at differing price points?
>
>        3.  Industry Flexibility.  A 
> manufacturer or service provider may comply 
> with the requirements of new Section 716 by 
> building in or otherwise incorporating access 
> features into the equipment or service needed 
> to make that equipment or service usable by 
> individuals with 
> disabilities.17  Alternatively, these entities 
> may rely on third party applications, 
> peripheral devices, software, hardware, or 
> customer premises equipment (CPE) that is 
> available to individuals with disabilities at 
> nominal cost.18  We seek comment on what type 
> of third party applications, peripheral 
> devices, software, hardware, or CPE might be 
> acceptable for this purpose.  We also seek 
> comment on the definition of "nominal cost" in 
> the context of the third party applications or 
> other adjunct or peripheral devices, software, 
> hardware or CPE that manufacturers and service 
> providers can use to achieve accessibility.
>
>        4.  Compatibility.  If compliance is not 
> achievable, manufacturers and service providers 
> must ensure that their equipment and services 
> are compatible with devices commonly used by 
> persons with disabilities to achieve access, 
> unless that is not achievable.19  We seek 
> comment on what is meant by "devices commonly 
> used by persons with disabilities to achieve 
> access" and whether this phrase is limited to 
> specialized equipment or could include mass market devices and software.
>
>        5.  Network Features, Functions, and 
> Capabilities.  Each provider of advanced 
> communications services has the duty not to 
> install network features, functions or 
> capabilities that impede accessibility.20  How 
> does this requirement compare to a similar 
> requirement in Section 251(a)(2) of the 
> Communications Act that relates to the 
> guidelines and standards established pursuant 
> to Section 255? 21  Does this requirement take 
> on new meaning in the context of advanced services networks?
>
>        6.  Performance Objectives.  Section 
> 716(e)(1)(A) provides that in prescribing the 
> regulations for this Section, the Commission 
> shall include performance objectives to ensure 
> the accessibility, usability, and compatibility 
> of advanced communications services and the 
> equipment used for advanced communications 
> services by individuals with disabilities.22 We 
> seek comment on performance objectives,, 
> including the extent to which these objectives 
> should be specific or general.  In addition, we 
> seek comment on the usefulness of the draft 
> standards and guidelines on Section 508 of the 
> Rehabilitation Act, released for comment by the 
> United States Access Board in March 2010,23 
> including, for example, its guidelines on real-time text.24
>
>        7.  Accessibility of Information 
> Content.  Section 716(e)(1)(B) states that the 
> Commission's regulations shall provide that 
> advanced communications services and the 
> equipment and networks used with these services 
> may not impair or impede the accessibility of 
> information content when accessibility has been 
> incorporated into that content for transmission 
> through such services, equipment or 
> networks.25  We seek input on how this should 
> be implemented and the types and nature of 
> information content that should be addressed.
>
>        8.  Obligations, Safe Harbors and 
> Prospective Guidelines.  Sections 716(e)(1)(C) 
> and (D) provide that the Commission shall 
> determine obligations under this Section for 
> manufacturers, service providers, and providers 
> of applications or services accessed over 
> service provider networks26 and shall not 
> mandate technical standards except as a safe 
> harbor if necessary to facilitate the 
> manufacturers' and service providers' 
> compliance with the requirements of this 
> Section.27 Section 716(e)(2) also directs the 
> Commission to issue prospective guidelines for 
> a manufacturer or provider regarding the requirements of this Section.28
>
>        What other issues are relevant to the 
> determination of obligations of, and 
> prospective guidelines for, these various 
> entities?  What does it mean to be a "provider 
> of applications or services" as that term is 
> used in this Section?  Can technical standards 
> be used as safe harbors for compliance?  If 
> there are safe harbor technical standards, to 
> what extent should they be informed by the 
> proposed Access Board guidelines on Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act?29
>
>III. OTHER MATTERS AFFECTING IMPLEMENTATION OF SECTION 716
>        1.  Applicability of Section 
> 255.  Section 716(f) prohibits the requirements 
> of Section 716 from applying to equipment and 
> services including interconnected VoIP 
> services, that are subject to Section 255 of 
> the Communications Act before enactment of the 
> Accessibility Act.30  We seek comment on how to 
> address the accessibility obligations of 
> equipment that is used to provide both 
> telecommunications and advanced communications 
> services.  For example, to what extent should 
> smart phones that have voice, text, and video 
> capability - i.e., some functions that fall 
> under Section 255 and others that are subject 
> to Section 716 - be subject to the readily 
> achievable standard of Section 255 or the 
> achievable standard of Section 716?  We also 
> seek comment on how to treat interconnected 
> VoIP service, which now is covered by Sections 255 and 716.
>
>        2.  Waivers.  Section 716(h) allows the 
> Commission to waive the requirements of Section 
> 716 for any feature or function of equipment, 
> or for any class of equipment, that is designed 
> primarily for purposes other than using 
> advanced communications services.31  The 
> Commission also may exempt small entities from 
> the requirements of Section 716.32  What 
> factors are relevant to these waiver 
> determinations?  Are there any specific classes 
> of equipment or services that warrant 
> categorical waivers?  Under what circumstances 
> should small entities be exempt from these requirements?
>
>        3.  Rule of Construction.  Section 
> 716(j) provides that Section 716 shall not be 
> construed to require manufacturers or providers 
> of advanced communications services "to make 
> every feature and function of every device or 
> service accessible for every 
> disability."33  How should this requirement 
> affect implementation? Would the requirement 
> that the Commission adopted in the Section 255 
> rulemaking that manufacturers and service 
> providers consider the extent to which 
> accessibility features are available on every 
> product and service, rather than more generally 
> across product lines,34 be consistent with this rule of construction?
>
>        4.  Other issues.  Are there other 
> issues, for example, regarding limitations on 
> liability in Section 2 of the Act, the 
> prohibition against proprietary technology in 
> Section 3 of the Act, and the exclusion of 
> customized equipment and services that are not 
> offered to the public in new Section 716(i), 
> that should affect implementation of Section 
> 716?   We seek comment on each of these new provisions.
>
>IV. SECTION 717 REQUIREMENTS
>        Section 717 requires the Commission to 
> adopt rules that facilitate the filing of 
> formal and informal complaints alleging a 
> violation of Sections 255, 716, or 718 and to 
> establish procedures for enforcement actions by 
> the Commission with respect to such violations, 
> within one year of enactment of the 
> law.35  Section 717 also requires manufacturers 
> and service providers subject to Sections 255, 
> 716, and 718 to maintain records of efforts 
> taken to implement the requirements of these 
> Sections.36   Such records are to be kept in 
> the ordinary course of business and must 
> include: (1) information about the 
> manufacturer's or provider's efforts to consult 
> with individuals with disabilities; (2) 
> descriptions of the accessibility features of 
> its products and services; and (3) information 
> about the compatibility of such products and 
> services with peripheral devices or specialized 
> CPE commonly used by individuals with 
> disabilities to achieve access.37  We seek 
> comment on this requirement, including the 
> types of records that should be maintained for 
> each of these categories of information.  We 
> also seek comment on possible enforcement procedures.
>
>V. SECTION 718 REQUIREMENTS
>        Section 718 provides that if a 
> manufacturer includes an Internet browser in a 
> telephone used with public mobile services, or 
> if a provider of mobile services arranges for 
> the inclusion of a browser in telephones sold 
> to customers, the manufacturer or provider must 
> ensure that the functions of the browser are 
> accessible to and usable by individuals who are 
> blind or have a visual impairment, unless doing 
> so is not achievable.38  A manufacturer or 
> service provider may comply with this 
> requirement by incorporating such access into 
> the telephone or service itself, or may rely on 
> third party applications, peripheral devices, 
> software, hardware, or CPE that is available to 
> individuals with disabilities at nominal cost, 
> and that individuals with disabilities can 
> access. 39  We seek comment on the extent to 
> which the requirements of Section 718 affect 
> how to interpret and implement any of the requirements in Section 716.
>
>VI. FILING REQUIREMENTS
>        Comments and Replies.  Pursuant to 
> sections 1.415 and 1.419 of the Commission's 
> rules,40 interested parties may file comments 
> and reply comments on or before the dates 
> indicated on the first page of this 
> document.  Comments may be filed using:  (1) 
> the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing 
> System ("ECFS"), (2) the Federal Government's 
> eRulemaking Portal, or (3) by filing paper copies.41
>* Electronic Filers:  Comments may be filed 
>electronically using the Internet by accessing 
>the ECFS:  http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ or the 
>Federal eRulemaking Portal:  http://www.regulations.gov.
>* Paper Filers:  Parties who choose to file by 
>paper must file an original and four copies of 
>each filing.  If more than one docket or 
>rulemaking number appears in the caption of this 
>proceeding, filers must submit two additional 
>copies for each additional docket or rulemaking number.
>Filings can be sent by hand or messenger 
>delivery, by commercial overnight courier, or by 
>first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service 
>mail.  All filings must be addressed to the 
>Commission's Secretary, Office of the Secretary, 
>Federal Communications Commission.
>o All hand-delivered or messenger-delivered 
>paper filings for the Commission's Secretary 
>must be delivered to FCC Headquarters at 445 
>12th St., SW, Room TW-A325, Washington, DC 
>20554.  All hand deliveries must be held 
>together with rubber bands or fasteners.  Any 
>envelopes must be disposed of before entering 
>the building.  The filing hours are 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.
>o Commercial overnight mail (other than U.S. 
>Postal Service Express Mail and Priority Mail) 
>must be sent to 9300 East Hampton Drive, Capitol Heights, MD 20743.
>o U.S. Postal Service first-class, Express, and 
>Priority mail must be addressed to 445 12th Street, SW, Washington DC 20554.
>        Availability of Documents.  Comments, 
> reply comments, and ex parte submissions will 
> be available for public inspection during 
> regular business hours in the FCC Reference 
> Center, Federal Communications Commission, 445 
> 12th Street, S.W., CY-A257, Washington, D.C., 
> 20554.  These documents will also be available 
> via ECFS.  Documents will be available 
> electronically in ASCII, Microsoft Word, and/or Adobe Acrobat.
>        Accessibility Information.  To request 
> information in accessible formats (computer 
> diskettes, large print, audio recording, and 
> Braille), send an e-mail to fcc504 at fcc.gov or 
> call the FCC's Consumer and Governmental 
> Affairs Bureau at (202) 418-0530 (voice), (202) 
> 418-0432 (TTY).  This document can also be 
> downloaded in Word and Portable Document Format (PDF) at: http://www.fcc.gov.
>Additional Information.  For further 
>information, contact David Hu, Wireless 
>Telecommunications Bureau, at 202-418-7120 and 
>Karen Peltz Strauss, Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau at 202-418-2388
>
>1 Twenty-First Century Communications and Video 
>Accessibility Act of 2010, Pub. L. No. 111-260, 
>124 Stat. 2751 (2010) (as codified in various 
>sections of 47 U.S.C.).  The law was enacted on 
>October 8, 2010 (S. 3304, 111th Cong.).  See 
>also Amendment of Twenty-First Century 
>Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 
>2010, Pub. L. 111-265, 124 Stat. 2795 (2010), 
>also enacted on Oct. 8, 2010 to make technical 
>corrections to the Twenty-First Century 
>Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 
>2010 and the amendments made by that Act.
>2 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 104 (adding new 
>Sections 716, 717, and 718 to Title VII of the 
>Communications Act of 1934, as amended, to be 
>codified as 47 U.S.C. §§ 617, 618, 
>619).  Hereinafter, we shall use the terms "the 
>Communications Act" when referring to "the 
>Communications Act of 1934, as amended."
>3 See new Section 716(e)(1) of the 
>Communications Act, to be codified as 47 USC § 
>617(e)(1) (requiring the promulgation of rules within one year).
>4 47 U.S.C. § 255; See 47 C.F.R. §§ 6.1 et 
>seq.  Section 255 requires all manufacturers of 
>telecommunications equipment and providers of 
>telecommunications services to ensure that such 
>equipment and services are designed and 
>developed to be accessible to and usable by 
>individuals with disabilities, if readily achievable.
>5 Pub. L. No. 104-104, 110 Stat. 56 (1996).
>6 See supra note 2 and 47 U.S.C. § 255.
>7 Although new Section 718 of the Communications 
>Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 619, will not 
>take effect for three years after the date of 
>enactment, seeking comment on this Section now 
>will afford manufacturers and service providers 
>an opportunity to provide early input into this 
>Section's implementation, and make the necessary 
>arrangements to achieve compliance by the time this provision goes into effect.
>8 See new Sections 716(a)(1) and 716(b)(1) of 
>the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 
>U.S.C. §§ 617(a)(1)  and 617(b)(1).
>9 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 101(1) (amending 
>Section 3 of the Communications Act).
>10 47 C.F.R. § 9.3.
>11 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 101(1) (adding new 
>Section 3(58) to the Communications Act, to be 
>codified as 47 U.S.C. § 153(58)).
>12 Id. (adding new Section 3(56) to the 
>Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 153(56)).
>13 Id. (adding new Section 3(59) to the 
>Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 153(59)).
>14 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 104 (adding new 
>Section 716(g) of the Communications Act, to be 
>codified as 47 U.S.C. § 617(g))
>15 Id.
>16 See 47 U.S.C. § 255(a)(2); 47 C.F.R. § 6.3(h).
>17 See new Sections 716(a)(2)(A) and (b)(2)(A) 
>of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 
>U.S.C. §§ 617(a)(2)(A) and (b)(2)(A).
>18 See new Sections 716(a)(2)(B) and (b)(2)(B) 
>of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 
>U.S.C. §§ 617(a)(2(B)) and (b)(2)(B).
>19 See new Section 716(c) of the Communications 
>Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 617(c).
>20 New Section 716(d) of the Communications Act, 
>to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(d).
>21 47 U.S.C. § 251(a)(2).  Section 251(a)(2) 
>imposes on telecommunications carriers the duty 
>"not to install network features, functions or 
>capabilities that do not comply with the 
>guidelines and standards established pursuant to section 255 or 256."  Id.
>22 New Section 716(e)(1)(A) of the 
>Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(A).
>23 See United States Access Board, Draft 
>Information and Communication Technology (ICT) 
>Standards and Guidelines, (March 2010) at 80, 
>("Access Board Draft Guidelines"), 
>http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/refresh/draft-rule.pdf. 
>Under Section 255(e) of the Communications Act, 
>the Access Board is required to update 
>guidelines for the accessibility of 
>telecommunications equipment and customer 
>premises equipment. 47 U.S.C. § 255 (e). 
>Accordingly, these Access Board proposals also 
>included recommendations for updating the 
>Section 255 guidelines.  Such proposals would be 
>relevant to this proceeding to the extent that 
>they address access by interconnected VoIP 
>service providers and equipment used with interconnected VoIP services
>24 Access Board Draft Guidelines at 80-82.
>25 New Section 716(e)(1)(B)  of the 
>Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(B).
>26 New Section § 716(e)(1)(C) of the 
>Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(C).
>27 New Section 716(e)(1)(D) of the 
>Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(D).
>28 New Section 716(e)(2) of the Communications 
>Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(2).
>29 See supra note 22.
>30 New Section 716(f) of the Communications Act, 
>to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(f).
>31 New Section 716(h)(1) of the Communications 
>Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(h)(1).
>32 New Section 716(h)(2) of the Communications 
>Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(h)(2).
>33 New Section 716(j) of the Communications Act, 
>to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(j).
>34 See Implementation of Sections 255 and 
>251(a)(2) of the Communications Act of 1934, as 
>enacted by the Telecommunications Act of 1996, 
>WT Docket No. 96-198, Report and Order and 
>Further Notice of Inquiry, 16 FCC Rcd. 6417, 
>6440-41 ¶49 (Sept. 29, 1999) (Report and Order), 
>published at 65 Fed. Reg. 63235, November 19, 1999
>35 New Section 717(a) of the Communications Act, 
>to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 618(a).
>36 New Section 717(a)(5) of the Communications 
>Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 618(a)(5).
>37 New Section 717(a)(5)(A) of the 
>Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 618(a)(5)(A).
>38 New Section 718(a) of the Communications Act, 
>to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 619(a).
>39 New Section 718(b) of the Communications Act, 
>to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 619(b).
>40 See 47 C.F.R. §§ 1.415, 1419.
>41 See Electronic Filing of Documents in 
>Rulemaking Proceedings, GC Docket No. 97-113, 
>Report and Order, 13 FCC Rcd 11322 (1998).
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 00:23:53 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:23:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard question
References: <20101201220047.28418.89127@domU-12-31-38-07-3C-65.compute-1.internal>
Message-ID: <A82197CC55594856B9445E9AF1682EDA@Ashley>

I heard blackboard 9 is accessible.  Personally with the frames its hard to 
find some links.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:00 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard question


> Hi everyone.  What version of blackboard is accessible?  The college I 
> want to attend uses blackboard version 8, but I have been informed they 
> will be moving to version 9 during the spring 2011 semester.  Thank you 
> for any information you can provide.
>
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From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 00:33:34 2010
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 19:33:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Virginia Tech Students or Others Familiar With
 Emergency Notifications From Everbridge Portals - Accessibility Issue in
 Boston
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=+K3iWy5rRvfXrZjwAMPFc=Mc1Dmq5shyrpcNa@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

We understand that a company called Everbridge
http://everbridge.com
hosts a number of portals that are used to provide alert, emergency,
and other notifications.  The firm operates serving government,
education, and other industry sectors and customers.

We have come to learn that it appears the Virginnia Tech emergency
notification system, which allows users to receive text and voice
alerts, may be powered by an Everbridge platform.

It may appear to a user that Virginia Tech or another entity hosts the
service, but behind the scenes, such a service is often hosted by a
third party like Everbridge.

I would like to know if we have students at Virginia Tech, or other
universities, that use Everbridge solutions.  If so, what was your
experience in signing up for and using the service?

The issue comes up for us in Massachusetts because on Monday November
29th we received word that the city of Boston would begin sending out
emergency, snow, and other alerts via an Everbridge portal located at
http://bit.ly/alertboston
http://cityofboston.gov/alertboston

Unfortunately, the Boston implimentation uses an inaccessible captcha.
 A visual only captcha is not natively accessible to screen readers,
and requires that blind users go through extraordinary measures that
may or may not be available in order to try to solve the captcha.  In
many cases, a blind user will have no way to solve a visual only
captcha.  As all of you know, there are numerous other technology
solutions that can provide the same security benefits as captcha that
this Everbridge company could have chosen to use.

A great deal of research and time has been spent on this issue since
Monday, including locating and reaching out to Everbridge executives
and those concerned with such jmatters at Boston City Hall.  They have
thus far not responded to our inquiries, or even appologized and
acknowledged this failure when it comes to accessibility.

An official technical support case, with a case number, was also
logged Monday afternoon.  A call to the company today revealed they
were not sure about the status of this case number

Shortly before I  have writign to you, I again reached out to the CEO
of Everbridge saying that this issue was an 8 out of 10 in terms of an
emergency for blind people.  I'm still waiting to hear back.

In addition to reporting on any experiences you have with Everbridge's
technology, you can help this effort by mentioning
@everbridge
and
@notifyBoston
in your tweets on Twitter.

So that we can review such tweets, it would also help if you can use 1
or more hashtag
#a11y
#ADA
#axs

You can also "mention" @NFBMA or my own twitter account @pyyhkala in your tweet.

Note that Virginia Tech is by far not the only university that uses
the Everbridge solution.  I will try to look up a list of other
universities for a follow up email.

Best,
Mika Pyyhkala
President
National Federation of the Blind of Massachusetts
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala


From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Thu Dec  2 01:06:41 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:06:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs
Message-ID: <95BB84BF-3A96-4DB2-828C-8F2FBE4620C8@mac.com>

Hi all:
Just wondering if anyone on this list is familiar with how I can contact Seeing Eyes For The Blind.

I'm currently conducting a project with my class that involves guide dogs and were  looking for a way to contact them.

Thanks,

Jorge


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 01:23:07 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 20:23:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs
In-Reply-To: <95BB84BF-3A96-4DB2-828C-8F2FBE4620C8@mac.com>
References: <95BB84BF-3A96-4DB2-828C-8F2FBE4620C8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DEF687D681E2424E95CEB51B8494B6C2@Rufus>

What's that?  I'm not familiar with Seeing Eyes for the Blind, unless you
mean the Seeing Eye, or, Guiding Eyes for the Blind...

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs

Hi all:
Just wondering if anyone on this list is familiar with how I 
can contact Seeing Eyes For The Blind.

I'm currently conducting a project with my class that involves 
guide dogs and were  looking for a way to contact them.

Thanks,

Jorge

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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  2 02:30:45 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 18:30:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
In-Reply-To: <211F2BF9-0E1E-43FB-BD9B-6A2CF4549A8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <294670.35681.qm@web53804.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello George,
I have talked with my friends and we do want the Talking Typer to do some computer training abroad and if you could save it and send it directly to my friend it would be greatly appreciate it. I will get you her mailing address. Thanks again for your kindness.

Anmol

I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Tue, 11/30/10, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] talking typer
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, November 30, 2010, 7:45 PM
> Hi all:
> I have a copy of APH's Talking Typer  but have no use
> for it anymore and was wondering if any one wants it.
> 
> If so, please email me offline.
> 
> Note: this copy is free. No price attached of any kind.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
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From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Thu Dec  2 03:01:34 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 22:01:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs
In-Reply-To: <DEF687D681E2424E95CEB51B8494B6C2@Rufus>
References: <95BB84BF-3A96-4DB2-828C-8F2FBE4620C8@mac.com>
	<DEF687D681E2424E95CEB51B8494B6C2@Rufus>
Message-ID: <6DCA5E64-476A-4EDF-ABBE-3665AFB184A7@mac.com>

Joe:
Yes, I meant Guiding Eyes for the Blind.
Sorry.




On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:23 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:

> What's that?  I'm not familiar with Seeing Eyes for the Blind, unless you
> mean the Seeing Eye, or, Guiding Eyes for the Blind...
> 
> Joe
> 
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs
> 
> Hi all:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is familiar with how I 
> can contact Seeing Eyes For The Blind.
> 
> I'm currently conducting a project with my class that involves 
> guide dogs and were  looking for a way to contact them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 03:07:59 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:07:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs
In-Reply-To: <6DCA5E64-476A-4EDF-ABBE-3665AFB184A7@mac.com>
References: <95BB84BF-3A96-4DB2-828C-8F2FBE4620C8@mac.com>
	<DEF687D681E2424E95CEB51B8494B6C2@Rufus>
	<6DCA5E64-476A-4EDF-ABBE-3665AFB184A7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8B4890239BD042D9A566F6F17B191DBF@Rufus>

www.guidingeyes.org/

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jorge Paez [mailto:jorgeapaez at mac.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 10:02 PM
To: jsorozco at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] guide dogs

Joe:
Yes, I meant Guiding Eyes for the Blind.
Sorry.




On Dec 1, 2010, at 8:23 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:

> What's that?  I'm not familiar with Seeing Eyes for the 
Blind, unless you
> mean the Seeing Eye, or, Guiding Eyes for the Blind...
> 
> Joe
> 
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up 
their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 8:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] guide dogs
> 
> Hi all:
> Just wondering if anyone on this list is familiar with how I 
> can contact Seeing Eyes For The Blind.
> 
> I'm currently conducting a project with my class that involves 
> guide dogs and were  looking for a way to contact them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From netgirl at samobile.net  Thu Dec  2 14:07:20 2010
From: netgirl at samobile.net (Jessica Watson)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 09:07:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] music majors
Message-ID: <20101202140720.2469.14707@domU-12-31-38-00-AD-3E.compute-1.internal>

Hi everyone.  Hope everyone is doing well.  If anyone on this list is a 
music major, please email me off-list.  My goal is to get an associates 
degree in music then transfer to a bachelors degree program in either 
music or music education.  However, I do not know how to read Braille 
music, but I have perfect pitch so identifying notes is not going to be 
an issue.  I feel like learning Braille music is going to be very hard 
unless I work individually with someone.  Please help!

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 15:07:18 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:07:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com>

Hey to All!

I hope your ends of your semesters are going swimmingly.  Before I
asked a question about excel which was very helpful.  I have another.
I'm not sure if anyone would know this answer, but I'm not familiar
enough with excel yet to know how to do this.  I will admitt I'm
learning from you guys so its very appreciated.  What I would like to
do is set up where it does the equations for me.  Where you could
hypethically enter like 1500 in one cell and the cell under that enter
like 256.75 and the cell below that gives you the answer
automatically.  What I've done is gone up into the formula menu and
hit sum and just manually entered the numbers which works, but after
this it won't self subtract anything I add.  Meaning any addition
figures which need subtracting.  If anyone knows a way to do this
using JAWS I would greatly appreciate any advice you have!

Thanks as always
Justin


From agrima at nbp.org  Thu Dec  2 15:43:18 2010
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 10:43:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Kids' Book Club Selection: Houndsley and Catina
Message-ID: <B46A6E07F14142C8BA23C8DB035445B1@nbp2.local>

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Houndsley realizes that he is happy to experience the joy of cooking; he
can live without fame. When Houndsley suggests that she can be famous
for something else - like being a good friend - Catina purrs, "Being
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  2 18:06:32 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:06:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] music majors
References: <20101202140720.2469.14707@domU-12-31-38-00-AD-3E.compute-1.internal>
Message-ID: <0FA46A2EC3AA430DA4531791566F650E@D3DTZP41>

Hello Jessica:

     I suggest you check out the offerings from Dancing Dots. If memory 
serves, their website is:
www.dancingdots.com

They have books to help people learn braille music. I have a minor in music 
and also have perfect pitch. I could not have gotten through some of the 
courses without knowing how to read braille music. I do admit however that 
braille music is an odd system. For those of you who don't know; braille
music does not use a staff. The notes are specified using dots 1, 2, 4 and 
5. The notes are based on the C major scale. In braille music, the notes c, 
d, e, f, g, a and b are represented with the letters d, e, f, g, h, i and j. 
The time values are represented with dots 3 and 6. Whole notes have both 
dots, half notes have dot 3, quarter notes have dot 6 and eighth notes have 
no dots below the letter. As a result C a whole note looks like y and D a 
whole note looks like Z. Intervals are reckoned up in the left hand and down 
for the right hand for keyboard music. As a result, a C major chord for the 
left hand looks different from the same chord for the right hand. Awkward 
this system may be, but a serious musician needs to know it.

Regards,

robert Jaquiss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:07 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] music majors


> Hi everyone.  Hope everyone is doing well.  If anyone on this list is a
> music major, please email me off-list.  My goal is to get an associates
> degree in music then transfer to a bachelors degree program in either
> music or music education.  However, I do not know how to read Braille
> music, but I have perfect pitch so identifying notes is not going to be an
> issue.  I feel like learning Braille music is going to be very hard unless
> I work individually with someone.  Please help!
>
> -- 
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 18:14:25 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:14:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard question
In-Reply-To: <A82197CC55594856B9445E9AF1682EDA@Ashley>
References: <20101201220047.28418.89127@domU-12-31-38-07-3C-65.compute-1.internal>
	<A82197CC55594856B9445E9AF1682EDA@Ashley>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinv0NhFPZZTGYz+EAq0SqXLP9FOg60qxfvK4oHc@mail.gmail.com>

Blackboard 9.1, the newest version, is the most accessible version
available. The NFB, committed to access for the blind, has been
working with Blackboard to create an accessible Blackboard for
colleges. While there are still some access issues, 9.1 is quite
accessible. I've tried it myself, and though I have some concerns
about the accessibility of discussion forums and chat, the main parts
of Blackboard are fully accessible. However, for someone who is not
familiar with Blackboard, it can be confusing. If you can, get someone
familiar with how to use Blackboard with a screenreader to show you
the ropes, so to speak. At my college, there is a technology
specialist at the Disability Support Services office, and she sat down
with me to give me a tour of Blackboard and its hotkeys. She is going
to do the same with Moodle tomorrow, since I need that for Psychology.

On 12/1/10, Ashley  Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> I heard blackboard 9 is accessible.  Personally with the frames its hard to
> find some links.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:00 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard question
>
>
>> Hi everyone.  What version of blackboard is accessible?  The college I
>> want to attend uses blackboard version 8, but I have been informed they
>> will be moving to version 9 during the spring 2011 semester.  Thank you
>> for any information you can provide.
>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 19:16:39 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:16:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8AA43992BD8B45F499347878FB88E6E8@Rufus>

Justin,

This is a cheater's method, but see if it works.  Let's say you have 12 in
A1, and 12 in A2.  Now, in A3, type:

=sum(a1:a2)

When you leave that cell, you will see that Excel will display the result,
24.  I hope that helps.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:07 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question

Hey to All!

I hope your ends of your semesters are going swimmingly.  Before I
asked a question about excel which was very helpful.  I have another.
I'm not sure if anyone would know this answer, but I'm not familiar
enough with excel yet to know how to do this.  I will admitt I'm
learning from you guys so its very appreciated.  What I would like to
do is set up where it does the equations for me.  Where you could
hypethically enter like 1500 in one cell and the cell under that enter
like 256.75 and the cell below that gives you the answer
automatically.  What I've done is gone up into the formula menu and
hit sum and just manually entered the numbers which works, but after
this it won't self subtract anything I add.  Meaning any addition
figures which need subtracting.  If anyone knows a way to do this
using JAWS I would greatly appreciate any advice you have!

Thanks as always
Justin

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 19:41:49 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:41:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <8AA43992BD8B45F499347878FB88E6E8@Rufus>
References: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com>
	<8AA43992BD8B45F499347878FB88E6E8@Rufus>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=kBh44tij1U1_7Lah=3ek48qXDBfHx3r9R5hdM@mail.gmail.com>

I tried your idea and the problem is it doesn't give me the number it
just says "#value.

On 12/2/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Justin,
>
> This is a cheater's method, but see if it works.  Let's say you have 12 in
> A1, and 12 in A2.  Now, in A3, type:
>
> =sum(a1:a2)
>
> When you leave that cell, you will see that Excel will display the result,
> 24.  I hope that helps.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:07 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
>
> Hey to All!
>
> I hope your ends of your semesters are going swimmingly.  Before I
> asked a question about excel which was very helpful.  I have another.
> I'm not sure if anyone would know this answer, but I'm not familiar
> enough with excel yet to know how to do this.  I will admitt I'm
> learning from you guys so its very appreciated.  What I would like to
> do is set up where it does the equations for me.  Where you could
> hypethically enter like 1500 in one cell and the cell under that enter
> like 256.75 and the cell below that gives you the answer
> automatically.  What I've done is gone up into the formula menu and
> hit sum and just manually entered the numbers which works, but after
> this it won't self subtract anything I add.  Meaning any addition
> figures which need subtracting.  If anyone knows a way to do this
> using JAWS I would greatly appreciate any advice you have!
>
> Thanks as always
> Justin
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 20:10:37 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:10:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kBh44tij1U1_7Lah=3ek48qXDBfHx3r9R5hdM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com>
	<8AA43992BD8B45F499347878FB88E6E8@Rufus>
	<AANLkTi=kBh44tij1U1_7Lah=3ek48qXDBfHx3r9R5hdM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Bu4s1UF0Kir0vscQrZK5WCr5mWUcBBfUJbt72@mail.gmail.com>

I figured it out!  Ended up googling Hot keys for Excel 2007 and a
site said what to do.
The website is:
http://www.mycomputeraid.com/microsoft-software/excel/excel-hotkeys-shortcuts/
if interested

On 12/2/10, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried your idea and the problem is it doesn't give me the number it
> just says "#value.
>
> On 12/2/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Justin,
>>
>> This is a cheater's method, but see if it works.  Let's say you have 12
>> in
>> A1, and 12 in A2.  Now, in A3, type:
>>
>> =sum(a1:a2)
>>
>> When you leave that cell, you will see that Excel will display the
>> result,
>> 24.  I hope that helps.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:07 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
>>
>> Hey to All!
>>
>> I hope your ends of your semesters are going swimmingly.  Before I
>> asked a question about excel which was very helpful.  I have another.
>> I'm not sure if anyone would know this answer, but I'm not familiar
>> enough with excel yet to know how to do this.  I will admitt I'm
>> learning from you guys so its very appreciated.  What I would like to
>> do is set up where it does the equations for me.  Where you could
>> hypethically enter like 1500 in one cell and the cell under that enter
>> like 256.75 and the cell below that gives you the answer
>> automatically.  What I've done is gone up into the formula menu and
>> hit sum and just manually entered the numbers which works, but after
>> this it won't self subtract anything I add.  Meaning any addition
>> figures which need subtracting.  If anyone knows a way to do this
>> using JAWS I would greatly appreciate any advice you have!
>>
>> Thanks as always
>> Justin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 20:16:07 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:16:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=kBh44tij1U1_7Lah=3ek48qXDBfHx3r9R5hdM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com><8AA43992BD8B45F499347878FB88E6E8@Rufus>
	<AANLkTi=kBh44tij1U1_7Lah=3ek48qXDBfHx3r9R5hdM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FDC035AF399462A817E5990C83C9416@Rufus>

Hmmm, okay, try selecting a column with Control + Space.  Then use your
Applications key and go to the Numbers tab.  Which option is highlighted
there?  Sometimes when I have issues I set this to "Text."  I'm keeping this
on list in case someone else could benefit from the exchange.  Let me know
if this works.  If it doesn't, maybe later I can tandem into your computer,
if you have a later JAWS version, and see what's what.  Also, make sure
you're using all the right punctuation I included in my earlier e-mail.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Young [mailto:jty727 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:42 PM
To: jsorozco at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Excel question

I tried your idea and the problem is it doesn't give me the number it
just says "#value.

On 12/2/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Justin,
>
> This is a cheater's method, but see if it works.  Let's say 
you have 12 in
> A1, and 12 in A2.  Now, in A3, type:
>
> =sum(a1:a2)
>
> When you leave that cell, you will see that Excel will 
display the result,
> 24.  I hope that helps.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up 
their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:07 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
>
> Hey to All!
>
> I hope your ends of your semesters are going swimmingly.  Before I
> asked a question about excel which was very helpful.  I have another.
> I'm not sure if anyone would know this answer, but I'm not familiar
> enough with excel yet to know how to do this.  I will admitt I'm
> learning from you guys so its very appreciated.  What I would like to
> do is set up where it does the equations for me.  Where you could
> hypethically enter like 1500 in one cell and the cell under that enter
> like 256.75 and the cell below that gives you the answer
> automatically.  What I've done is gone up into the formula menu and
> hit sum and just manually entered the numbers which works, but after
> this it won't self subtract anything I add.  Meaning any addition
> figures which need subtracting.  If anyone knows a way to do this
> using JAWS I would greatly appreciate any advice you have!
>
> Thanks as always
> Justin
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 20:40:17 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:40:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] music majors
In-Reply-To: <0FA46A2EC3AA430DA4531791566F650E@D3DTZP41>
References: <20101202140720.2469.14707@domU-12-31-38-00-AD-3E.compute-1.internal>
	<0FA46A2EC3AA430DA4531791566F650E@D3DTZP41>
Message-ID: <AANLkTins=uk2GNVOXVny4NxHsm1HZ4Lg+v-skSCq9sbd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jessica,
I learned braille music my freshman year in college. And this semester
I will have finished my four music theory requirements for my major.
If you are serious about being a good musician it is essential that
you learn braille music. The library of congress has richard Tesch's
how to read braille music course. Which you can do on your own. They
will also send you a copy of the braille music dictionary as a quick
reference. Your perfect pitch will help, however, music theory and
interpretation is a lot more than being able to correctly identify
notes. Braille music is awkward, and someone should re-do it, but  in
the meantime, it's the best system we have and i strongly encourage
you to try your best to learn it.
The number to the library of congress music department is:
1888-424-8567. Please contact me if you ahve any questions.
Good luck.
Mary


On 12/2/10, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hello Jessica:
>
>      I suggest you check out the offerings from Dancing Dots. If memory
> serves, their website is:
> www.dancingdots.com
>
> They have books to help people learn braille music. I have a minor in music
> and also have perfect pitch. I could not have gotten through some of the
> courses without knowing how to read braille music. I do admit however that
> braille music is an odd system. For those of you who don't know; braille
> music does not use a staff. The notes are specified using dots 1, 2, 4 and
> 5. The notes are based on the C major scale. In braille music, the notes c,
> d, e, f, g, a and b are represented with the letters d, e, f, g, h, i and j.
> The time values are represented with dots 3 and 6. Whole notes have both
> dots, half notes have dot 3, quarter notes have dot 6 and eighth notes have
> no dots below the letter. As a result C a whole note looks like y and D a
> whole note looks like Z. Intervals are reckoned up in the left hand and down
> for the right hand for keyboard music. As a result, a C major chord for the
> left hand looks different from the same chord for the right hand. Awkward
> this system may be, but a serious musician needs to know it.
>
> Regards,
>
> robert Jaquiss
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:07 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] music majors
>
>
>> Hi everyone.  Hope everyone is doing well.  If anyone on this list is a
>> music major, please email me off-list.  My goal is to get an associates
>> degree in music then transfer to a bachelors degree program in either
>> music or music education.  However, I do not know how to read Braille
>> music, but I have perfect pitch so identifying notes is not going to be an
>> issue.  I feel like learning Braille music is going to be very hard unless
>> I work individually with someone.  Please help!
>>
>> --
>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>>
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 20:52:15 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:52:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <3FDC035AF399462A817E5990C83C9416@Rufus>
References: <AANLkTimzLtoWVrdqdnNS5uWgfBQNRS+JPE1bv7R=GcGT@mail.gmail.com>
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I actuqally solved the problem.  I found a website that gave like all
these great hotkeys for all I need to do.  Your way works too.  I was
putting in a wrong letter.
If you are interested this site is where I found it all at:
http://www.mycomputeraid.com/microsoft-software/excel/excel-hotkeys-shortcuts/

On 12/2/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm, okay, try selecting a column with Control + Space.  Then use your
> Applications key and go to the Numbers tab.  Which option is highlighted
> there?  Sometimes when I have issues I set this to "Text."  I'm keeping this
> on list in case someone else could benefit from the exchange.  Let me know
> if this works.  If it doesn't, maybe later I can tandem into your computer,
> if you have a later JAWS version, and see what's what.  Also, make sure
> you're using all the right punctuation I included in my earlier e-mail.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Young [mailto:jty727 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:42 PM
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Excel question
>
> I tried your idea and the problem is it doesn't give me the number it
> just says "#value.
>
> On 12/2/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Justin,
>>
>> This is a cheater's method, but see if it works.  Let's say
> you have 12 in
>> A1, and 12 in A2.  Now, in A3, type:
>>
>> =sum(a1:a2)
>>
>> When you leave that cell, you will see that Excel will
> display the result,
>> 24.  I hope that helps.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
> their sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:07 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
>>
>> Hey to All!
>>
>> I hope your ends of your semesters are going swimmingly.  Before I
>> asked a question about excel which was very helpful.  I have another.
>> I'm not sure if anyone would know this answer, but I'm not familiar
>> enough with excel yet to know how to do this.  I will admitt I'm
>> learning from you guys so its very appreciated.  What I would like to
>> do is set up where it does the equations for me.  Where you could
>> hypethically enter like 1500 in one cell and the cell under that enter
>> like 256.75 and the cell below that gives you the answer
>> automatically.  What I've done is gone up into the formula menu and
>> hit sum and just manually entered the numbers which works, but after
>> this it won't self subtract anything I add.  Meaning any addition
>> figures which need subtracting.  If anyone knows a way to do this
>> using JAWS I would greatly appreciate any advice you have!
>>
>> Thanks as always
>> Justin
>>
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From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Thu Dec  2 21:45:50 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 16:45:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] composition
Message-ID: <1BE85CBF-D06F-41D2-9B2D-778772C29D8C@mac.com>

Hi all:
I am currently in high school and I'm looking for a career in music.
Does anyone know if there is a composition course at the university level?
If so, what genre(s), and what are the requirements?
If this composition class is part of a major, what's the major and what does the major require?

Thanks,

Jorge


From chriswright11 at verizon.net  Thu Dec  2 22:25:27 2010
From: chriswright11 at verizon.net (Christopher Wright)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:25:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] composition
References: <1BE85CBF-D06F-41D2-9B2D-778772C29D8C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3D1CCA61639C4926B64FAD3666D21727@DHP4VFK1>

At SUNY Purchase, in New York, there are two courses that deal with 
composition. One is just called Composition. The other is called Studio 
Composition. The best thing I can do is refer you to their web site.

www.purchase.edu
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] composition


> Hi all:
> I am currently in high school and I'm looking for a career in music.
> Does anyone know if there is a composition course at the university level?
> If so, what genre(s), and what are the requirements?
> If this composition class is part of a major, what's the major and what 
> does the major require?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
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From chriswright11 at verizon.net  Thu Dec  2 22:33:39 2010
From: chriswright11 at verizon.net (Christopher Wright)
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:33:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] music majors
References: <20101202140720.2469.14707@domU-12-31-38-00-AD-3E.compute-1.internal>
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Hi Jessica,
Here's another person who might be able to help.

David Goldstein
info at blindmusicstudent.org

David runs a Summer Music Institute.

www.blindmusicstudent.org

Tell us more about your courseload.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Fernandez" <trillian551 at gmail.com>
To: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] music majors


> Hi Jessica,
> I learned braille music my freshman year in college. And this semester
> I will have finished my four music theory requirements for my major.
> If you are serious about being a good musician it is essential that
> you learn braille music. The library of congress has richard Tesch's
> how to read braille music course. Which you can do on your own. They
> will also send you a copy of the braille music dictionary as a quick
> reference. Your perfect pitch will help, however, music theory and
> interpretation is a lot more than being able to correctly identify
> notes. Braille music is awkward, and someone should re-do it, but  in
> the meantime, it's the best system we have and i strongly encourage
> you to try your best to learn it.
> The number to the library of congress music department is:
> 1888-424-8567. Please contact me if you ahve any questions.
> Good luck.
> Mary
>
>
> On 12/2/10, Robert Jaquiss <rjaquiss at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Hello Jessica:
>>
>>      I suggest you check out the offerings from Dancing Dots. If memory
>> serves, their website is:
>> www.dancingdots.com
>>
>> They have books to help people learn braille music. I have a minor in 
>> music
>> and also have perfect pitch. I could not have gotten through some of the
>> courses without knowing how to read braille music. I do admit however 
>> that
>> braille music is an odd system. For those of you who don't know; braille
>> music does not use a staff. The notes are specified using dots 1, 2, 4 
>> and
>> 5. The notes are based on the C major scale. In braille music, the notes 
>> c,
>> d, e, f, g, a and b are represented with the letters d, e, f, g, h, i and 
>> j.
>> The time values are represented with dots 3 and 6. Whole notes have both
>> dots, half notes have dot 3, quarter notes have dot 6 and eighth notes 
>> have
>> no dots below the letter. As a result C a whole note looks like y and D a
>> whole note looks like Z. Intervals are reckoned up in the left hand and 
>> down
>> for the right hand for keyboard music. As a result, a C major chord for 
>> the
>> left hand looks different from the same chord for the right hand. Awkward
>> this system may be, but a serious musician needs to know it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> robert Jaquiss
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jessica Watson" <netgirl at samobile.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 8:07 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] music majors
>>
>>
>>> Hi everyone.  Hope everyone is doing well.  If anyone on this list is a
>>> music major, please email me off-list.  My goal is to get an associates
>>> degree in music then transfer to a bachelors degree program in either
>>> music or music education.  However, I do not know how to read Braille
>>> music, but I have perfect pitch so identifying notes is not going to be 
>>> an
>>> issue.  I feel like learning Braille music is going to be very hard 
>>> unless
>>> I work individually with someone.  Please help!
>>>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  2 22:51:14 2010
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:51:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] website accessibility research, answer a few questions
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxo7yNT-gT_hVqedJFuOCn0M+HKj7joP_tkqiH@mail.gmail.com>

A computer science Ph.D. candidate at NC State is conducting computer
accessibility research, and could really use your help. The questions
are short.

Cindy

Hi all,

As part of a potential publication, I'm conducting research related to
website accessibility. I would really appreciate for you to
send me a quick email answering these three questions.

Please only answer if you are a screen reader user.

First, please put "[research]", that's left-bracket, research,
right-bracket, in the subject line of the email.

My email address is:
sbahram at ncsu.edu

Question 1:
What website or websites do you find the most accessible. Please list
full URL's.

Question 2:
What website or websites do you find the least accessible. Please list
full URL's.

Question 3:
What website, or websites, do you have to use, whether it be for work,
school, business, or anything else, even though they might
not be as accessible as you prefer? Please list full URL's.

Optional section:

Feel free to explain your answers further in this section; for
example, why you feel a certain website is accessible or not
accessible.

Thank you so much for your participation. If I don't get at least 20
or 30 respondents, we won't really be able to use the data, so
please forward this email to anyone at all who uses a screen reader.

Your provided URL's will of course be made anonymous as soon as I get them.

Thanks again

Take care,
Sina


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From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 01:21:05 2010
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:21:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please See If You Attend Or Know Anyone Attending
 Following Universities Re Everbridge Inaccessible Notification System
Message-ID: <AANLkTinj2YDZFb3uxkHvBLUAjYy25bQziOhYTmbt+n+6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

If your new to the Everbridge issue please see my tweets
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala

I would like to know if anyone has tried the emergency alert systems at:
Virginia Tech
Rochester Institute of Technology
Pepperdine University
Jackson State University
Brigham Young University
University of Michigan
University of California, Riverside
University of Alaska Anchorage
Duquesne University

In particular, I would like to know if the signup or other processes
require a captcha, or otherwise if the serivce is acessible.

Thanks,
Mika Pyyhkala
pyyhkala at gmail.com
http://twitter.com/pyyhkala


From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 02:38:09 2010
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 20:38:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1291312803.3337.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.15.1291312803.3337.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <001e01cb9293$208472f0$618d58d0$@com>

Justin,

If you press the = key in a cell in Excel, you will go into formula editing
mode. If you want, for instance, to display the sum of cells A1 and A2 in
cell A3, you go to cell A3, and type: =A1+A2. This will display the total of
the first two cells in the third. You can type in any function you wish
using numbers, cell references (which will use whatever value is displayed
in the cell referenced), + to add, - to subtract, * to multiply, / to
divide, and parentheses to group functions. You can do a lot of very
advanced numerical and logical functions in Excel. There is a lot of
information on creating formulas, and the syntax thereof, in the Excel Help
files. One very useful one I will leave you with is the following:
=sum(a1:a100). That will display the total of all values in column A,
between rows 1 and 100, in the cell in which you enter the formula. I am a
big Excel fan, and encourage you to dig into the help materials. As I say,
there is a lot of great information there.

Also, regarding the LSAT stuff, I will still be getting back to you on that.
My laptop was down for a few days, and I am still digging out.

Take care,

Sean





From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 08:01:53 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 03:01:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] composition
In-Reply-To: <3D1CCA61639C4926B64FAD3666D21727@DHP4VFK1>
References: <1BE85CBF-D06F-41D2-9B2D-778772C29D8C@mac.com>
	<3D1CCA61639C4926B64FAD3666D21727@DHP4VFK1>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinL+1S+gsdS0zMjxmhUp+H_EctWe3au_fdk3XAh@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Of course, any decent music school will offer composition majors. When I say
composition I mean composition of art music (what classical musicians refer
to as contemporary music). If you are looking into pop music and things like
that I can't help much at all, but I can tell you places that I am familiar
with. The Juilliard school in New York (www.juilliard.edu) has a great
composition program. People like Milton Babbitt teach in there. Of course,
getting accepted into the program is hard, and you will be required to send
in a collection of scores composed by you etc. The Indiana University Jacobs
school of music (music.indiana.edu) also has a great program, although it is
smaller than Juilliard's and I'm not even sure they are accepting
applications this year. The program is great, and composers get to have
their works performed more often than anywhere else because the school has 6
orchestras. Composers at IU tend to work a lot with the musicology
department, which is literally the best in the nation. An other good program
is the one at the New England Conservatory (www.necmusic.edu), although I
don't know much about it. I know the Curtis institute also has a composition
program, but it's probably almost impossible to get in.
These are just three schools, but you can look into other good ones such as
University of Michigan, the Manhattan school of music, the Oberlin
conservatory, the Eastman school and probably many others although I am
getting sleepy and can't think of them.
Good luck!

I<C

On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Christopher Wright <
chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:

> At SUNY Purchase, in New York, there are two courses that deal with
> composition. One is just called Composition. The other is called Studio
> Composition. The best thing I can do is refer you to their web site.
>
> www.purchase.edu
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:45 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] composition
>
>
>  Hi all:
>> I am currently in high school and I'm looking for a career in music.
>> Does anyone know if there is a composition course at the university level?
>> If so, what genre(s), and what are the requirements?
>> If this composition class is part of a major, what's the major and what
>> does the major require?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 14:13:17 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 09:13:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel question
In-Reply-To: <001e01cb9293$208472f0$618d58d0$@com>
References: <mailman.15.1291312803.3337.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<001e01cb9293$208472f0$618d58d0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=BG=3vZmctBnKgkXJztzJ_yOY7R+9hNJrhSVVK@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Sean!
Yeah in doing a google search to see what was out there in terms of
hotkeys I found a site which gave me all the different commands to do
all fun stuff.  The one I found that works in excel for me is similar
to that one you and Joe have said.  Basically you enter the
information into a1 and a 2 and then go to a 3 and hit alt+= and it
will do it for you.  I think through the help of individuals like
yourself and this site I have grown more familiar with the program.

Not a problem about the LSAT stuff.  Def understandible.
Thanks again,
Justin

On 12/2/10, Sean Whalen <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com> wrote:
> Justin,
>
> If you press the = key in a cell in Excel, you will go into formula editing
> mode. If you want, for instance, to display the sum of cells A1 and A2 in
> cell A3, you go to cell A3, and type: =A1+A2. This will display the total of
> the first two cells in the third. You can type in any function you wish
> using numbers, cell references (which will use whatever value is displayed
> in the cell referenced), + to add, - to subtract, * to multiply, / to
> divide, and parentheses to group functions. You can do a lot of very
> advanced numerical and logical functions in Excel. There is a lot of
> information on creating formulas, and the syntax thereof, in the Excel Help
> files. One very useful one I will leave you with is the following:
> =sum(a1:a100). That will display the total of all values in column A,
> between rows 1 and 100, in the cell in which you enter the formula. I am a
> big Excel fan, and encourage you to dig into the help materials. As I say,
> there is a lot of great information there.
>
> Also, regarding the LSAT stuff, I will still be getting back to you on that.
> My laptop was down for a few days, and I am still digging out.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com  Fri Dec  3 15:25:16 2010
From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 09:25:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [blindkid] Blind/Low Vision Inclusive Technology -
	"ExtremeMakeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
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Good morning everyone,

    We've been through this before haven't we? Every time we've heard what a 
great show the Extreme Make-Over Home Edition will be whenever it features 
blind people. We watch the program only to discover that it's the same old 
junk about the blind portrayed by the media. It's junk like this that causes 
apartment managers to believe that blind tenants seeking to rent from them 
be accompanied by an apartment locator when in the view of the prospective 
blind renter such services are not needed. This happened to Mary and myself 
last spring when we toured different properties looking for a new place to 
live. The manager of one apartment complex was more interested in 
advertising the services of her co-worker whose boyfriend was an apartment 
locator than showing us what they had to offer.

    It was after some persistence on our part that we finally got a tour of 
one of their units. We told the manager that we in fact used a locator 
called HP Pavilion Apartment Hunters and another service called Dell 
Apartment Finding Inc. These services are no further than our living room 
and guest bedroom and on our laps when needed. They're on call 24/7 and will 
allow you to search for apartments at any time. Hence we could look at 
rental property on our schedule not that of apartment locators of the human 
kind.

    Realizing that this complex was looking straight down the barrel of a 
possible disability discrimination complaint they offered us a unit but it 
was smaller than what we needed. In the end we declined this offer but at 
least we accomplished our mission.

    We now live in a 1300 SQFT townhome on San Antonio's Northeast side. 
Unlike our experience with the complex described above the management here 
were surprised that we found them online and were relieved that they 
wouldn't need to pay an apartment location fee.

        I'm relaying this story as it's the kind of thing that can happen to 
blind people looking to lease or perhaps even buy a place to live. As long 
as Extreme Make-over Home Edition portrays us as helpless individuals who 
can only live independently if their home is equipped with this or that 
gadgett, or umpteen textured surfaces and the rest of it. I hope we can find 
a way to put a stop to how ABC portrays blind people on the Extreme 
Make-over Home Edition program. All the best.

Peter Donahue


 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kim Cunningham" <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>
To: "Blindkid" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 8:14 AM
Subject: [blindkid] Blind/Low Vision Inclusive Technology - 
"ExtremeMakeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5











WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)

The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested in inclusive 
technology for people who are blind or have low vision to tune into "Extreme 
Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening, December 5.
While we can't provide any specific information on what will be seen and 
heard (it would spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to create much 
greater awareness of the services and products now available for people who 
have limited or no sight.

Here is the information the production company has released in advance about 
this episode:

The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the Anderson Family 
in Cleveland, Ohio. The family of four answered the call to action when they 
inspired the community to heighten their awareness of the obstacles facing 
the disabled in their community. Diving headlong into their work, Andre and 
Jasmine have dedicated their time to supporting and counseling the disabled 
by connecting them with resources to help them live and lead more 
independent lives. The Andersons have proven to be the definitive role 
models as they themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.

Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never let anything 
slow them down. Together they have teamed to complete grad school, run a 
center for people with disabilities, created a support group, and all while 
balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of whom is hearing impaired). 
Despite having lost their sight after their sons, Jasison and Jahzion were 
born, Andre and Jasmine have rallied back and have embraced their reality. 
While they continue to empower their community, the family has hit a rough 
patch. Their home is falling apart around them and it has become complicated 
and hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how their needs 
continue to grow.

On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight when Ty 
Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit deliver a 
"Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers Construction 
and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and give them the key to 
live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The Andersons will vacation in 
Crested Butte, Colorado.

About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition,"
now in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of Endemol 
Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George Verschoor. David 
Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The show airs Sundays from 
8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.

About the Media Access Group at WGBH
The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services division and a 
research and development division--the Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family National 
Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered captioned and 
described media for nearly four decades to people in their homes, 
classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media Access Group 
continues to develop new solutions to access challenges as technology, and 
the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of the group's collective 
staff represent the leading experts in their fields and their success is 
exemplified by a history of accomplishments and continuous growth, the 
integration of innovative products and services into society at large, and 
the enthusiastic support of the audiences served, including 36 million 
people who are deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have low vision. More 
information about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be found at: 
http://access.wgbh.org.

Contact:
Mary Watkins
mary_watkins at wgbh.org
617 300-3700

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From chriswright11 at verizon.net  Fri Dec  3 17:14:35 2010
From: chriswright11 at verizon.net (Christopher Wright)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 12:14:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] composition
References: <1BE85CBF-D06F-41D2-9B2D-778772C29D8C@mac.com>
	<3D1CCA61639C4926B64FAD3666D21727@DHP4VFK1>
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Purchase deals with pop music.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] composition


> Hello,
> Of course, any decent music school will offer composition majors. When I 
> say
> composition I mean composition of art music (what classical musicians 
> refer
> to as contemporary music). If you are looking into pop music and things 
> like
> that I can't help much at all, but I can tell you places that I am 
> familiar
> with. The Juilliard school in New York (www.juilliard.edu) has a great
> composition program. People like Milton Babbitt teach in there. Of course,
> getting accepted into the program is hard, and you will be required to 
> send
> in a collection of scores composed by you etc. The Indiana University 
> Jacobs
> school of music (music.indiana.edu) also has a great program, although it 
> is
> smaller than Juilliard's and I'm not even sure they are accepting
> applications this year. The program is great, and composers get to have
> their works performed more often than anywhere else because the school has 
> 6
> orchestras. Composers at IU tend to work a lot with the musicology
> department, which is literally the best in the nation. An other good 
> program
> is the one at the New England Conservatory (www.necmusic.edu), although I
> don't know much about it. I know the Curtis institute also has a 
> composition
> program, but it's probably almost impossible to get in.
> These are just three schools, but you can look into other good ones such 
> as
> University of Michigan, the Manhattan school of music, the Oberlin
> conservatory, the Eastman school and probably many others although I am
> getting sleepy and can't think of them.
> Good luck!
>
> I<C
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Christopher Wright <
> chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> At SUNY Purchase, in New York, there are two courses that deal with
>> composition. One is just called Composition. The other is called Studio
>> Composition. The best thing I can do is refer you to their web site.
>>
>> www.purchase.edu
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:45 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] composition
>>
>>
>>  Hi all:
>>> I am currently in high school and I'm looking for a career in music.
>>> Does anyone know if there is a composition course at the university 
>>> level?
>>> If so, what genre(s), and what are the requirements?
>>> If this composition class is part of a major, what's the major and what
>>> does the major require?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
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>
>
> -- 
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 18:09:45 2010
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:09:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible garrage band or something similar?
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=V=+jN18FaimZE2VMC2SjFbxQzbdEwpEj6Xv=k@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Nabs-ers,
  I have a really odd question for you guys.  Does anyone know if the
Garrage Band program from apple is accessible, or if there's something
like it for windows computers?  I love freestyle rap...and I kinda
wanna make some stuff that sounds sort of real.
  I realize we've got lots of more important things to talk about, I'm
just curious.  Good luck to everyone taking/studying like mad for
finals.
  All the best,
Kirt


From kimthurman at insightbb.com  Fri Dec  3 18:35:07 2010
From: kimthurman at insightbb.com (Kimberly thurman)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 13:35:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible garrage band or something similar?
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Garage Band is accessible but you have to have the latest version of iLife.  I think it is version 11.  hth
On Dec 3, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

> Dear Nabs-ers,
>  I have a really odd question for you guys.  Does anyone know if the
> Garrage Band program from apple is accessible, or if there's something
> like it for windows computers?  I love freestyle rap...and I kinda
> wanna make some stuff that sounds sort of real.
>  I realize we've got lots of more important things to talk about, I'm
> just curious.  Good luck to everyone taking/studying like mad for
> finals.
>  All the best,
> Kirt
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 21:43:41 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 13:43:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Blind/Low Vision Inclusive Technology -
 "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
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Just  passing along from  another list.
 Happy Friday!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kim Cunningham <kim at gulfimagesphoto.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 06:14:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [blindkid] Blind/Low Vision Inclusive Technology - "Extreme
Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5
To: Blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>










WGBH's Media Access Group Encourages Tuning into ABC'S "Extreme
Makeover: Home Edition" on Sunday, December 5 (8-9pm, EST)

The Media Access Group at WGBH encourages all those interested in
inclusive technology for people who are blind or have low vision to
tune into "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" this Sunday evening,
December 5.
While we can't provide any specific information on what will be seen
and heard (it would spoil the surprise!), the episode promises to
create much greater awareness of the services and products now
available for people who have limited or no sight.

Here is the information the production company has released in advance
about this episode:

The "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition" team has selected the Anderson
Family in Cleveland, Ohio.  The family of four answered the call to
action when they inspired the community to heighten their awareness of
the obstacles facing the disabled in their community.  Diving headlong
into their work, Andre and Jasmine have dedicated their time to
supporting and counseling the disabled by connecting them with
resources to help them live and lead more independent lives.  The
Andersons have proven to be the definitive role models as they
themselves lost their sight 4 years ago.

Empowered by their own obstacles, Andre and Jasmine have never let
anything slow them down.  Together they have teamed to complete grad
school, run a center for people with disabilities, created a support
group, and all while balancing life at home with their 2 boys (one of
whom is hearing impaired).  Despite having lost their sight after
their sons, Jasison and Jahzion were born, Andre and Jasmine have
rallied back and have embraced their reality.  While they continue to
empower their community, the family has hit a rough patch.  Their home
is falling apart around them and it has become complicated and
hazardous for them to live in especially in the face of how their
needs continue to grow.

On September 29th the Andersons will have some changes in sight when
Ty Pennington, designers Michael Maloney, Tracy Huston, and Xzibit
deliver a "Smart House" in just 7 days. Local builders Marous Brothers
Construction and community volunteers will rebuild the structure and
give them the key to live above and beyond their wildest dreams. The
Andersons will vacation in Crested Butte, Colorado.

About "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition"
The Emmy-award winning reality program "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition,"
now in its 8th season, is produced by Endemol USA, a division of
Endemol Holding. It's executive-produced Brady Connell and George
Verschoor.   David Goldberg is Chairman, Endemol North America. The
show airs Sundays from 8:00-9:00 p.m., ET on ABC.

About the Media Access Group at WGBH
The Media Access Group at WGBH, which includes a Services division and
a research and development division--the Carl and Ruth Shapiro Family
National Center for Accessible Media--has pioneered and delivered
captioned and described media for nearly four decades to people in
their homes, classrooms, at work and in the community. And the Media
Access Group continues to develop new solutions to access challenges
as technology, and the way we all consume media, evolve. Members of
the group's collective staff represent the leading experts in their
fields and their success is exemplified by a history of
accomplishments and continuous growth, the integration of innovative
products and services into society at large, and the enthusiastic
support of the audiences served, including 36 million people who are
deaf, hard of hearing, blind or have low vision. More information
about the Media Access Group at WGBH can be found at:
http://access.wgbh.org.

Contact:
Mary Watkins
mary_watkins at wgbh.org
617 300-3700

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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Dec  3 23:41:18 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:41:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: New Book about Assistance Dogs
Message-ID: <auto-000180822321@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>i have been asked to circulate this:


David Andrews



>For Immediate Release
>December 1, 2010
>
>Announcing the publication of Two Plus Four Equals One: Celebrating 
>the Partnership of People with Disabilities and Their Assistance 
>Dogs! Teacher and writer Kathy Nimmer has written and edited this 
>inspiring anthology of true stories and poems from around the world, 
>just in time for the holidays!  Go to www.servicedogstories.com to 
>learn more and to order your book in a variety of formats.
>
>ABOUT THE BOOK
>
>True, vibrant, honest, and emotional, eliciting compassion, joy, 
>sorrow, and love, promoting understanding, acceptance, awareness, 
>and hope. Two Plus Four Equals One offers over 100 stories and poems 
>written by or about men, women, and children, all either with 
>disabilities or connected to people who have disabilities. Joining 
>them are Labradors, German Shepherds, Poodles, Papillons, Goldens, 
>Shelties, Chihuahuas, and many other breeds, all trained to assist 
>their disabled handlers. From blindness to deafness, from mobility 
>issues to psychiatric needs, from diabetes to autism, the array of 
>disabilities showcased in this unforgettable book is as vast as the 
>tasks performed by the canine partners. This book highlights the 
>strength, competence, and potential of both the human and canine 
>participants in an alliance where neither partner is perfect but 
>both together add up to an equation where two hands/feet/eyes/ears 
>plus four paws equals one magical union.
>
>PURPOSE AND REACH
>
>Attention to assistance dogs is growing in today's society. However, 
>people are largely unaware of how these dogs work and what tasks 
>they perform. This book offers an educational inroad through the 
>power of personal narrative.
>
>There is also a great need for inspiration and hope these days, 
>something to warm the heart and lift the spirit. Love for dogs is 
>fundamental in our society. These writings of triumph, teamwork, 
>humor, success, and love will warm hearts and encourage hope in 
>readers. They will come away with a new confidence in the human 
>spirit to overcome obstacles and the canine spirit to step into a 
>role of support in ways never before imagined or understood.
>
>People with disabilities are often segregated from the public at 
>large. Because of issues with transportation, communication, and 
>unfair judgments, many disabled people are isolated, unemployed, and 
>underutilized. While this book illuminates the working partnership 
>between assistance dogs and people with disabilities, it also 
>refutes longstanding, unhealthy misperceptions about disability.
>
>ABOUT THE WRITER/EDITOR
>
>Kathy Nimmer is an award-winning teacher, author, and motivational 
>speaker from West Lafayette, Indiana. In 2006, she won first place 
>in the Helen Keller International Memoir Competition and published a 
>book of poetry called Minutes in the Dark, Eternity in the Light. 
>She received the Butler-Cooley Excellence in Teaching Award in 2004, 
>is a two-time recipient of the Lilly Teacher Creativity Fellowship, 
>earned National Board Certification in 2003, and was presented with 
>the Golden Apple in 1998. In 2009, she was named a Lilly 
>Distinguished Fellow, giving her the opportunity to pursue a 
>lifelong dream, the fulfillment of which is Two Plus Four Equals 
>One. Blind due to a rare retinal disease, Nimmer teaches sophomore 
>English and creative writing at Harrison High School in West 
>Lafayette, Indiana.
>
>Learn more and order your copy at www.servicedogstories.com.



From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 00:28:39 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 19:28:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
Message-ID: <4CF98B37.1060904@gmail.com>

Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:03:44 -0500
From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 at gmail.com>
To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers at audyssey.org>
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream brands and how to work with them

Hi Eleanor,

While I agree with you that we, as blind gamers, must continue to try
and contact mainstream developers and make them aware of our needs we
also have to remember all of us have a biological time clock. For
example, I'm already in my mid 30's and for a human being that is
about roughly half the human life span. I shouldn't have to wait 10,
20, or 30 years to see some access changes being done in my life time.
I should be able to experience and enjoy some of these games right
here and now. While there are groups like IGDA trying to get changes
they aren't going to get these companies into making any changes soon,
and certainly not force companies to go back and remake every single
game they have ever designed with accessibility. Which is exactly what
they need to do to make it fair that each and everyone of us have an
opportunity to play these games.

This is were the problem comes in. I know full well what what the
copyright laws say, and pretty much how they work. Problem is
companies have been able to use copyright laws as a means of denying
equal access to products and services for years. If I want to play a
certain vidio game I can't because it is not accessible, and the
company can use copyright laws to keep me from producing my own
accesssible version. If I want to listen to a certain movie with audio
description I often have to have someone send me a copy from the U.K.
so I can listen to it with audio description because the American
broadcasting companies rarely if ever have audio description. There
are probably hundreds of other examples, but the fact is when it comes
to fair and equal treatment a blind man or woman always gets the short
end of the stick. Somehow large mainstream companies always get the
gold mine while we get the shaft.

To get back to the point I'm tired of the should of, would of, could
of line. It is time we do something pretty major to make access
changes now with or without the companies permission. If they don't
like it and sue for copyright infringement I'll be happy to go on CNN,
Fox News, or any major media outlet of your choice and expose these
companies for the unsympathetic, short sighted, greedy jurks they are.
Perhaps some media publicity of this issue will light a fire under
their collective butts and make them aware some of us are sick and
tired of being stone walled, denied, and/or being outright ignored. We
want access changes and we want them now and not 50 years from now.

Cheers!


From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  4 04:02:26 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 20:02:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
In-Reply-To: <4CF98B37.1060904@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66692.86641.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This and many other reasons are making me make a major decision to leave this country.  In the event that I become a parent, I will be sure to not raze my children here to be forced to learn the falasies about how all are equal and all have equal rights, etc while there parent is home on PA fighting to be gainfully emploied.  I want all to read a book entitled disableing america.  It is a great book about how this country caused hate and anger both in error and purpose by passing the ADA.  In addition, the book shows how the ADA created a goldmine in the advancement of careers for lawyers.  

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 7:28 PM
> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:03:44 -0500
> From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 at gmail.com>
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers at audyssey.org>
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream brands and how to work
> with them
> 
> Hi Eleanor,
> 
> While I agree with you that we, as blind gamers, must
> continue to try
> and contact mainstream developers and make them aware of
> our needs we
> also have to remember all of us have a biological time
> clock. For
> example, I'm already in my mid 30's and for a human being
> that is
> about roughly half the human life span. I shouldn't have to
> wait 10,
> 20, or 30 years to see some access changes being done in my
> life time.
> I should be able to experience and enjoy some of these
> games right
> here and now. While there are groups like IGDA trying to
> get changes
> they aren't going to get these companies into making any
> changes soon,
> and certainly not force companies to go back and remake
> every single
> game they have ever designed with accessibility. Which is
> exactly what
> they need to do to make it fair that each and everyone of
> us have an
> opportunity to play these games.
> 
> This is were the problem comes in. I know full well what
> what the
> copyright laws say, and pretty much how they work. Problem
> is
> companies have been able to use copyright laws as a means
> of denying
> equal access to products and services for years. If I want
> to play a
> certain vidio game I can't because it is not accessible,
> and the
> company can use copyright laws to keep me from producing my
> own
> accesssible version. If I want to listen to a certain movie
> with audio
> description I often have to have someone send me a copy
> from the U.K.
> so I can listen to it with audio description because the
> American
> broadcasting companies rarely if ever have audio
> description. There
> are probably hundreds of other examples, but the fact is
> when it comes
> to fair and equal treatment a blind man or woman always
> gets the short
> end of the stick. Somehow large mainstream companies always
> get the
> gold mine while we get the shaft.
> 
> To get back to the point I'm tired of the should of, would
> of, could
> of line. It is time we do something pretty major to make
> access
> changes now with or without the companies permission. If
> they don't
> like it and sue for copyright infringement I'll be happy to
> go on CNN,
> Fox News, or any major media outlet of your choice and
> expose these
> companies for the unsympathetic, short sighted, greedy
> jurks they are.
> Perhaps some media publicity of this issue will light a
> fire under
> their collective butts and make them aware some of us are
> sick and
> tired of being stone walled, denied, and/or being outright
> ignored. We
> want access changes and we want them now and not 50 years
> from now.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 14:55:32 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 09:55:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
In-Reply-To: <66692.86641.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4CF98B37.1060904@gmail.com>
	<66692.86641.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F13FF0F287054F63AB3905D457C72FEB@Rufus>

William,

I don't know where to fall on your post.  The United States, I've noticed,
is often criticized for not being as up-to-date on laws for people with
disabilities as other countries, but so far as I can tell, the unemployment
rate for blind people is just as high abroad as it is at home.  I don't know
that I always see the value in the ADA, but it would seem from your post
that your discomfort runs deeper than the legislation.  What is it, if I may
ask, that you feel keeps blind people from being treated equally or
succeeding with equal measure?  The original post in this thread is
irrelevant.  Far be it from me to quash people's hobbies, but we live in an
economy where employment is more important than entertainment.  Things may
improve, and yet the United States is also positioning itself to take a back
seat in the global market.  It seems easier to outsource than to keep jobs
domestic, and so competition will naturally increase, making it imperative
for us to double up our efforts to prove that our disabilities do not keep
us from performing on equal par with our peers.  In short, what happened to
priorities?  I would love for a number of games to be accessible to me, but
if we could concentrate that vigor on making more jobs accessible, we might
be in a better position to take care of our families before taking care of
our whims.

Respectfully,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-	 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William ODonnell
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility

This and many other reasons are making me make a major decision 
to leave this country.  In the event that I become a parent, I 
will be sure to not raze my children here to be forced to learn 
the falasies about how all are equal and all have equal rights, 
etc while there parent is home on PA fighting to be gainfully 
emploied.  I want all to read a book entitled disableing 
america.  It is a great book about how this country caused hate 
and anger both in error and purpose by passing the ADA.  In 
addition, the book shows how the ADA created a goldmine in the 
advancement of careers for lawyers.  

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 7:28 PM
> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:03:44 -0500
> From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 at gmail.com>
> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers at audyssey.org>
> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream brands and how to work
> with them
> 
> Hi Eleanor,
> 
> While I agree with you that we, as blind gamers, must
> continue to try
> and contact mainstream developers and make them aware of
> our needs we
> also have to remember all of us have a biological time
> clock. For
> example, I'm already in my mid 30's and for a human being
> that is
> about roughly half the human life span. I shouldn't have to
> wait 10,
> 20, or 30 years to see some access changes being done in my
> life time.
> I should be able to experience and enjoy some of these
> games right
> here and now. While there are groups like IGDA trying to
> get changes
> they aren't going to get these companies into making any
> changes soon,
> and certainly not force companies to go back and remake
> every single
> game they have ever designed with accessibility. Which is
> exactly what
> they need to do to make it fair that each and everyone of
> us have an
> opportunity to play these games.
> 
> This is were the problem comes in. I know full well what
> what the
> copyright laws say, and pretty much how they work. Problem
> is
> companies have been able to use copyright laws as a means
> of denying
> equal access to products and services for years. If I want
> to play a
> certain vidio game I can't because it is not accessible,
> and the
> company can use copyright laws to keep me from producing my
> own
> accesssible version. If I want to listen to a certain movie
> with audio
> description I often have to have someone send me a copy
> from the U.K.
> so I can listen to it with audio description because the
> American
> broadcasting companies rarely if ever have audio
> description. There
> are probably hundreds of other examples, but the fact is
> when it comes
> to fair and equal treatment a blind man or woman always
> gets the short
> end of the stick. Somehow large mainstream companies always
> get the
> gold mine while we get the shaft.
> 
> To get back to the point I'm tired of the should of, would
> of, could
> of line. It is time we do something pretty major to make
> access
> changes now with or without the companies permission. If
> they don't
> like it and sue for copyright infringement I'll be happy to
> go on CNN,
> Fox News, or any major media outlet of your choice and
> expose these
> companies for the unsympathetic, short sighted, greedy
> jurks they are.
> Perhaps some media publicity of this issue will light a
> fire under
> their collective butts and make them aware some of us are
> sick and
> tired of being stone walled, denied, and/or being outright
> ignored. We
> want access changes and we want them now and not 50 years
> from now.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Sat Dec  4 17:13:36 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 12:13:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
In-Reply-To: <F13FF0F287054F63AB3905D457C72FEB@Rufus>
References: <4CF98B37.1060904@gmail.com>
	<66692.86641.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F13FF0F287054F63AB3905D457C72FEB@Rufus>
Message-ID: <E6373416-B371-4792-900E-E853F2844A1D@mac.com>

William:
With all due respect, I don't know how you can dare to speak stuff like what you wrote.
Are you not on the lawyer's list?
If you're saying the ADA gives blind people and excuse to do nothing, THAT IS A LIE!
Are you aware how many people use welfare, SSDI or some other government hand out as an excuse?
Those of us who wish to do something and provide something to society and truely need help will use the government's money responsibly, and yes, there are those who will live happily with wellfare/SSDI, etc., and not do a thing  but they are few in their numbers, and there are as many sighted and blind people alike in that.
So yes, there are those who abuse government handouts, but that did not come from the ADA and its NOT limited to just certain blind individuals.
I believe that every group, every nationality, every community, has those who try to sit back and live off of government handouts, but that is because government does not focus enough on getting those who use some sort of government handout back to work, and leaves it up to the person, and that is wrong.

So to answer you, yes, the government must focus on getting people back to work/employed, but that is no reason to leave this country, because I believe as long as you're determined to get employed, you will get it.


Jorge





On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:

> William,
> 
> I don't know where to fall on your post.  The United States, I've noticed,
> is often criticized for not being as up-to-date on laws for people with
> disabilities as other countries, but so far as I can tell, the unemployment
> rate for blind people is just as high abroad as it is at home.  I don't know
> that I always see the value in the ADA, but it would seem from your post
> that your discomfort runs deeper than the legislation.  What is it, if I may
> ask, that you feel keeps blind people from being treated equally or
> succeeding with equal measure?  The original post in this thread is
> irrelevant.  Far be it from me to quash people's hobbies, but we live in an
> economy where employment is more important than entertainment.  Things may
> improve, and yet the United States is also positioning itself to take a back
> seat in the global market.  It seems easier to outsource than to keep jobs
> domestic, and so competition will naturally increase, making it imperative
> for us to double up our efforts to prove that our disabilities do not keep
> us from performing on equal par with our peers.  In short, what happened to
> priorities?  I would love for a number of games to be accessible to me, but
> if we could concentrate that vigor on making more jobs accessible, we might
> be in a better position to take care of our families before taking care of
> our whims.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Joe
> 
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-	 
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William ODonnell
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 11:02 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
> 
> This and many other reasons are making me make a major decision 
> to leave this country.  In the event that I become a parent, I 
> will be sure to not raze my children here to be forced to learn 
> the falasies about how all are equal and all have equal rights, 
> etc while there parent is home on PA fighting to be gainfully 
> emploied.  I want all to read a book entitled disableing 
> america.  It is a great book about how this country caused hate 
> and anger both in error and purpose by passing the ADA.  In 
> addition, the book shows how the ADA created a goldmine in the 
> advancement of careers for lawyers.  
> 
> --- On Fri, 12/3/10, Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> From: Josh Kennedy <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] new nfb products for accessibility
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 7:28 PM
>> Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 16:03:44 -0500
>> From: Thomas Ward <thomasward1978 at gmail.com>
>> To: Gamers Discussion list <gamers at audyssey.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream brands and how to work
>> with them
>> 
>> Hi Eleanor,
>> 
>> While I agree with you that we, as blind gamers, must
>> continue to try
>> and contact mainstream developers and make them aware of
>> our needs we
>> also have to remember all of us have a biological time
>> clock. For
>> example, I'm already in my mid 30's and for a human being
>> that is
>> about roughly half the human life span. I shouldn't have to
>> wait 10,
>> 20, or 30 years to see some access changes being done in my
>> life time.
>> I should be able to experience and enjoy some of these
>> games right
>> here and now. While there are groups like IGDA trying to
>> get changes
>> they aren't going to get these companies into making any
>> changes soon,
>> and certainly not force companies to go back and remake
>> every single
>> game they have ever designed with accessibility. Which is
>> exactly what
>> they need to do to make it fair that each and everyone of
>> us have an
>> opportunity to play these games.
>> 
>> This is were the problem comes in. I know full well what
>> what the
>> copyright laws say, and pretty much how they work. Problem
>> is
>> companies have been able to use copyright laws as a means
>> of denying
>> equal access to products and services for years. If I want
>> to play a
>> certain vidio game I can't because it is not accessible,
>> and the
>> company can use copyright laws to keep me from producing my
>> own
>> accesssible version. If I want to listen to a certain movie
>> with audio
>> description I often have to have someone send me a copy
>> from the U.K.
>> so I can listen to it with audio description because the
>> American
>> broadcasting companies rarely if ever have audio
>> description. There
>> are probably hundreds of other examples, but the fact is
>> when it comes
>> to fair and equal treatment a blind man or woman always
>> gets the short
>> end of the stick. Somehow large mainstream companies always
>> get the
>> gold mine while we get the shaft.
>> 
>> To get back to the point I'm tired of the should of, would
>> of, could
>> of line. It is time we do something pretty major to make
>> access
>> changes now with or without the companies permission. If
>> they don't
>> like it and sue for copyright infringement I'll be happy to
>> go on CNN,
>> Fox News, or any major media outlet of your choice and
>> expose these
>> companies for the unsympathetic, short sighted, greedy
>> jurks they are.
>> Perhaps some media publicity of this issue will light a
>> fire under
>> their collective butts and make them aware some of us are
>> sick and
>> tired of being stone walled, denied, and/or being outright
>> ignored. We
>> want access changes and we want them now and not 50 years
>> from now.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
>> account info for nabs-l:
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 01:01:41 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 20:01:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Email submission procedure for advanced communications
	docket
Message-ID: <D12FEA212C78461D92198BEFF3B38381@SonyPC>

Email submission procedure for advanced communications docketI am forwarding this on from another list. 

 

--- begin forwarded message ----

Hi  ******,
We can receive comments emailed to the address of the FCC's Disability Rights Office:  dro at fcc.gov

Please note that commenters need to include their mailing address for a filing to be complete.  To aid our administrative processing, we also ask that such a message use the subject line "Comments in CG Docket No. 10-213."  Attachments are usually OK, but due to possible limitations related to email security, it is best to include the text of comments in the body of a message in addition to any attachment.

FCC staff will input such submissions into the Electronic Comment Filing System located on the web at

http://fcc.gov/ecfs/

Commenters will receive an email confirmation of their submission, though this may not be sent until the end of the comment period.

Thanks for helping to get the word out so that we receive input from as many stakeholders as possible!  For ease of reference, I am including the text of the public notice below.

Regards,
Jamal

Jamal Mazrui
Deputy Director, Accessibility and Innovation Initiative
Federal Communications Commission
202.418.0069


DA 10-2029
Release Date:  October 21, 2010

CONSUMER & GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS BUREAU AND WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUREAU SEEK COMMENT ON ADVANCED COMMUNICATION PROVISIONS OF THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY COMMUNICATIONS AND VIDEO ACCESSIBILITY ACT OF 2010 

CG Docket No. 10-213

Comment Date:  November 22, 2010
Reply Comment Date:  December 7, 2010


I. INTRODUCTION
       On October 8, 2010, the President signed into law the "Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010," ("Accessibility Act" or "Act").1  The law's provisions are designed to ensure that individuals with disabilities have access to emerging Internet Protocol-based communication and video programming technologies in the 21st Century. 
       Section 104 of Title I of the Act adds new Sections 716, 717, and 718 to the Communications Act of 1934, as amended.2  New Section 716 requires the Commission, within one year after enactment, to promulgate rules providing persons with disabilities access to advanced communications services and the equipment and networks used for such services.3  This Section builds upon the policy objectives set forth in Section 255 of the Communications Act,4 which was added by the Telecommunications Act of 1996.5   The purpose of this Public Notice ("Notice") is to solicit public input on the meaning of key provisions in new Section 716, as well as ways to implement new recordkeeping obligations imposed by new Section 717 on entities subject to Sections 255, 716, and 718.6  In addition, this Notice seeks comment on the obligation imposed by new Section 718 on manufacturers and service providers to provide access to Internet browsers in telephones used with public mobile services by blind or visually-impaired individuals.7  The record received in response to this Notice will assist in the development of the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking required by the Accessibility Act. 

II. SECTION 716 REQUIREMENTS
       Section 716 requires providers of advanced communications services and manufacturers of equipment and software used with those services to ensure that their equipment and software offered for sale after the effective date of the rules promulgated by the Commission will be accessible to and usable by persons with disabilities, unless not achievable.8  We seek comment on the meaning of these requirements and specifically seek input on the issues set forth below.
       1.  Advanced Communications Services.  Section 101 of Title I of the Act defines "advanced communications services" to mean (A) interconnected VoIP service; (B) non-interconnected VoIP service; (C) electronic messaging service; and (D) interoperable video conferencing service.9  While the Commission's rules already define interconnected VoIP service,10 the Act provides new definitions for non-interconnected VoIP service,11 "electronic messaging service"12 and "interoperable video conferencing service"13  We seek comment on each of these new definitions as they should apply to the provisions for accessibility, usability and compatibility contained in Section 104 of the Act. We also seek comment on the extent to which equipment used by people with disabilities for point-to-point video communications and video relay services should be considered equipment used for "interoperable video conferencing service."
      
       2.  Achievable.  Section 104 of the Act adds the new term "achievable" to gauge compliance with the newly created Sections 716 and 718, defining this to mean "with reasonable effort or expense."14  In determining whether the requirements of a provision are "achievable," the Commission must consider the following factors:  (1) the nature and cost of the steps needed to meet the requirements of this Section with respect to the specific equipment or service in question; (2) the technical and economic impact on the operation of the manufacturer or provider and on the operation of the specific equipment or service in question, including on the development and deployment of new communications technologies; (3) the type of operations of the manufacturer or provider; and (4) the extent to which the service provider or manufacturer in question offers accessible services or equipment containing varying degrees of functionality and features, and offered at differing price points.15
      
       We seek comment on how best to provide further guidance on this new definition.  Specifically, how does the "achievable" standard compare to the "readily achievable" standard set forth in Section 255 of the Communications Act?16  What does "reasonable effort and expense" mean in the context of providing access to advanced communications equipment and services?  What is the best way of evaluating the extent to which a service provider or manufacturer is offering a variety of accessible services and equipment containing varying degrees of functionality and features, and offered at differing price points?

       3.  Industry Flexibility.  A manufacturer or service provider may comply with the requirements of new Section 716 by building in or otherwise incorporating access features into the equipment or service needed to make that equipment or service usable by individuals with disabilities.17  Alternatively, these entities may rely on third party applications, peripheral devices, software, hardware, or customer premises equipment (CPE) that is available to individuals with disabilities at nominal cost.18  We seek comment on what type of third party applications, peripheral devices, software, hardware, or CPE might be acceptable for this purpose.  We also seek comment on the definition of "nominal cost" in the context of the third party applications or other adjunct or peripheral devices, software, hardware or CPE that manufacturers and service providers can use to achieve accessibility. 
      
       4.  Compatibility.  If compliance is not achievable, manufacturers and service providers must ensure that their equipment and services are compatible with devices commonly used by persons with disabilities to achieve access, unless that is not achievable.19  We seek comment on what is meant by "devices commonly used by persons with disabilities to achieve access" and whether this phrase is limited to specialized equipment or could include mass market devices and software.
        
       5.  Network Features, Functions, and Capabilities.  Each provider of advanced communications services has the duty not to install network features, functions or capabilities that impede accessibility.20  How does this requirement compare to a similar requirement in Section 251(a)(2) of the Communications Act that relates to the guidelines and standards established pursuant to Section 255? 21  Does this requirement take on new meaning in the context of advanced services networks?
      
       6.  Performance Objectives.  Section 716(e)(1)(A) provides that in prescribing the regulations for this Section, the Commission shall include performance objectives to ensure the accessibility, usability, and compatibility of advanced communications services and the equipment used for advanced communications services by individuals with disabilities.22 We seek comment on performance objectives,, including the extent to which these objectives should be specific or general.  In addition, we seek comment on the usefulness of the draft standards and guidelines on Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, released for comment by the United States Access Board in March 2010,23 including, for example, its guidelines on real-time text.24
      
       7.  Accessibility of Information Content.  Section 716(e)(1)(B) states that the Commission's regulations shall provide that advanced communications services and the equipment and networks used with these services may not impair or impede the accessibility of information content when accessibility has been incorporated into that content for transmission through such services, equipment or networks.25  We seek input on how this should be implemented and the types and nature of information content that should be addressed.

       8.  Obligations, Safe Harbors and Prospective Guidelines.  Sections 716(e)(1)(C) and (D) provide that the Commission shall determine obligations under this Section for manufacturers, service providers, and providers of applications or services accessed over service provider networks26 and shall not mandate technical standards except as a safe harbor if necessary to facilitate the manufacturers' and service providers' compliance with the requirements of this Section.27 Section 716(e)(2) also directs the Commission to issue prospective guidelines for a manufacturer or provider regarding the requirements of this Section.28 
      
       What other issues are relevant to the determination of obligations of, and prospective guidelines for, these various entities?  What does it mean to be a "provider of applications or services" as that term is used in this Section?  Can technical standards be used as safe harbors for compliance?  If there are safe harbor technical standards, to what extent should they be informed by the proposed Access Board guidelines on Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act?29

III. OTHER MATTERS AFFECTING IMPLEMENTATION OF SECTION 716
       1.  Applicability of Section 255.  Section 716(f) prohibits the requirements of Section 716 from applying to equipment and services including interconnected VoIP services, that are subject to Section 255 of the Communications Act before enactment of the Accessibility Act.30  We seek comment on how to address the accessibility obligations of equipment that is used to provide both telecommunications and advanced communications services.  For example, to what extent should smart phones that have voice, text, and video capability - i.e., some functions that fall under Section 255 and others that are subject to Section 716 - be subject to the readily achievable standard of Section 255 or the achievable standard of Section 716?  We also seek comment on how to treat interconnected VoIP service, which now is covered by Sections 255 and 716.
      
       2.  Waivers.  Section 716(h) allows the Commission to waive the requirements of Section 716 for any feature or function of equipment, or for any class of equipment, that is designed primarily for purposes other than using advanced communications services.31  The Commission also may exempt small entities from the requirements of Section 716.32  What factors are relevant to these waiver determinations?  Are there any specific classes of equipment or services that warrant categorical waivers?  Under what circumstances should small entities be exempt from these requirements?
      
       3.  Rule of Construction.  Section 716(j) provides that Section 716 shall not be construed to require manufacturers or providers of advanced communications services "to make every feature and function of every device or service accessible for every disability."33  How should this requirement affect implementation? Would the requirement that the Commission adopted in the Section 255 rulemaking that manufacturers and service providers consider the extent to which accessibility features are available on every product and service, rather than more generally across product lines,34 be consistent with this rule of construction?

       4.  Other issues.  Are there other issues, for example, regarding limitations on liability in Section 2 of the Act, the prohibition against proprietary technology in Section 3 of the Act, and the exclusion of customized equipment and services that are not offered to the public in new Section 716(i), that should affect implementation of Section 716?   We seek comment on each of these new provisions.

IV. SECTION 717 REQUIREMENTS
       Section 717 requires the Commission to adopt rules that facilitate the filing of formal and informal complaints alleging a violation of Sections 255, 716, or 718 and to establish procedures for enforcement actions by the Commission with respect to such violations, within one year of enactment of the law.35  Section 717 also requires manufacturers and service providers subject to Sections 255, 716, and 718 to maintain records of efforts taken to implement the requirements of these Sections.36   Such records are to be kept in the ordinary course of business and must include: (1) information about the manufacturer's or provider's efforts to consult with individuals with disabilities; (2) descriptions of the accessibility features of its products and services; and (3) information about the compatibility of such products and services with peripheral devices or specialized CPE commonly used by individuals with disabilities to achieve access.37  We seek comment on this requirement, including the types of records that should be maintained for each of these categories of information.  We also seek comment on possible enforcement procedures.

V. SECTION 718 REQUIREMENTS
       Section 718 provides that if a manufacturer includes an Internet browser in a telephone used with public mobile services, or if a provider of mobile services arranges for the inclusion of a browser in telephones sold to customers, the manufacturer or provider must ensure that the functions of the browser are accessible to and usable by individuals who are blind or have a visual impairment, unless doing so is not achievable.38  A manufacturer or service provider may comply with this requirement by incorporating such access into the telephone or service itself, or may rely on third party applications, peripheral devices, software, hardware, or CPE that is available to individuals with disabilities at nominal cost, and that individuals with disabilities can access. 39  We seek comment on the extent to which the requirements of Section 718 affect how to interpret and implement any of the requirements in Section 716.
      
VI. FILING REQUIREMENTS
       Comments and Replies.  Pursuant to sections 1.415 and 1.419 of the Commission's rules,40 interested parties may file comments and reply comments on or before the dates indicated on the first page of this document.  Comments may be filed using:  (1) the Commission's Electronic Comment Filing System ("ECFS"), (2) the Federal Government's eRulemaking Portal, or (3) by filing paper copies.41
* Electronic Filers:  Comments may be filed electronically using the Internet by accessing the ECFS:  http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/ecfs/ or the Federal eRulemaking Portal:  http://www.regulations.gov.
* Paper Filers:  Parties who choose to file by paper must file an original and four copies of each filing.  If more than one docket or rulemaking number appears in the caption of this proceeding, filers must submit two additional copies for each additional docket or rulemaking number.
Filings can be sent by hand or messenger delivery, by commercial overnight courier, or by first-class or overnight U.S. Postal Service mail.  All filings must be addressed to the Commission's Secretary, Office of the Secretary, Federal Communications Commission.
o All hand-delivered or messenger-delivered paper filings for the Commission's Secretary must be delivered to FCC Headquarters at 445 12th St., SW, Room TW-A325, Washington, DC 20554.  All hand deliveries must be held together with rubber bands or fasteners.  Any envelopes must be disposed of before entering the building.  The filing hours are 8:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m.
o Commercial overnight mail (other than U.S. Postal Service Express Mail and Priority Mail) must be sent to 9300 East Hampton Drive, Capitol Heights, MD 20743.
o U.S. Postal Service first-class, Express, and Priority mail must be addressed to 445 12th Street, SW, Washington DC 20554.
       Availability of Documents.  Comments, reply comments, and ex parte submissions will be available for public inspection during regular business hours in the FCC Reference Center, Federal Communications Commission, 445 12th Street, S.W., CY-A257, Washington, D.C., 20554.  These documents will also be available via ECFS.  Documents will be available electronically in ASCII, Microsoft Word, and/or Adobe Acrobat.
       Accessibility Information.  To request information in accessible formats (computer diskettes, large print, audio recording, and Braille), send an e-mail to fcc504 at fcc.gov or call the FCC's Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau at (202) 418-0530 (voice), (202) 418-0432 (TTY).  This document can also be downloaded in Word and Portable Document Format (PDF) at: http://www.fcc.gov.
Additional Information.  For further information, contact David Hu, Wireless Telecommunications Bureau, at 202-418-7120 and Karen Peltz Strauss, Consumer and Governmental Affairs Bureau at 202-418-2388
      
1 Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010, Pub. L. No. 111-260, 124 Stat. 2751 (2010) (as codified in various sections of 47 U.S.C.).  The law was enacted on October 8, 2010 (S. 3304, 111th Cong.).  See also Amendment of Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010, Pub. L. 111-265, 124 Stat. 2795 (2010), also enacted on Oct. 8, 2010 to make technical corrections to the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010 and the amendments made by that Act.
2 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 104 (adding new Sections 716, 717, and 718 to Title VII of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. §§ 617, 618, 619).  Hereinafter, we shall use the terms "the Communications Act" when referring to "the Communications Act of 1934, as amended."
3 See new Section 716(e)(1) of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 USC § 617(e)(1) (requiring the promulgation of rules within one year).
4 47 U.S.C. § 255; See 47 C.F.R. §§ 6.1 et seq.  Section 255 requires all manufacturers of telecommunications equipment and providers of telecommunications services to ensure that such equipment and services are designed and developed to be accessible to and usable by individuals with disabilities, if readily achievable.
5 Pub. L. No. 104-104, 110 Stat. 56 (1996).
6 See supra note 2 and 47 U.S.C. § 255.
7 Although new Section 718 of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 619, will not take effect for three years after the date of enactment, seeking comment on this Section now will afford manufacturers and service providers an opportunity to provide early input into this Section's implementation, and make the necessary arrangements to achieve compliance by the time this provision goes into effect.
8 See new Sections 716(a)(1) and 716(b)(1) of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. §§ 617(a)(1)  and 617(b)(1). 
9 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 101(1) (amending Section 3 of the Communications Act).  
10 47 C.F.R. § 9.3.
11 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 101(1) (adding new Section 3(58) to the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 153(58)).
12 Id. (adding new Section 3(56) to the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 153(56)).
13 Id. (adding new Section 3(59) to the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 153(59)).
14 Pub. L. No. 111-260, § 104 (adding new Section 716(g) of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 617(g))  
15 Id.
16 See 47 U.S.C. § 255(a)(2); 47 C.F.R. § 6.3(h).
17 See new Sections 716(a)(2)(A) and (b)(2)(A) of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. §§ 617(a)(2)(A) and (b)(2)(A).
18 See new Sections 716(a)(2)(B) and (b)(2)(B) of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. §§ 617(a)(2(B)) and (b)(2)(B). 
19 See new Section 716(c) of the Communications Act, to be codified as 47 U.S.C. § 617(c).
20 New Section 716(d) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(d).
21 47 U.S.C. § 251(a)(2).  Section 251(a)(2) imposes on telecommunications carriers the duty "not to install network features, functions or capabilities that do not comply with the guidelines and standards established pursuant to section 255 or 256."  Id.
22 New Section 716(e)(1)(A) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(A).
23 See United States Access Board, Draft Information and Communication Technology (ICT) Standards and Guidelines, (March 2010) at 80, ("Access Board Draft Guidelines"), http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/refresh/draft-rule.pdf.  Under Section 255(e) of the Communications Act, the Access Board is required to update guidelines for the accessibility of telecommunications equipment and customer premises equipment. 47 U.S.C. § 255 (e). Accordingly, these Access Board proposals also included recommendations for updating the Section 255 guidelines.  Such proposals would be relevant to this proceeding to the extent that they address access by interconnected VoIP service providers and equipment used with interconnected VoIP services
24 Access Board Draft Guidelines at 80-82. 
25 New Section 716(e)(1)(B)  of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(B).
26 New Section § 716(e)(1)(C) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(C).
27 New Section 716(e)(1)(D) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(1)(D).
28 New Section 716(e)(2) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(e)(2).
29 See supra note 22.
30 New Section 716(f) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(f). 
31 New Section 716(h)(1) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(h)(1).
32 New Section 716(h)(2) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(h)(2). 
33 New Section 716(j) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 617(j).
34 See Implementation of Sections 255 and 251(a)(2) of the Communications Act of 1934, as enacted by the Telecommunications Act of 1996, WT Docket No. 96-198, Report and Order and Further Notice of Inquiry, 16 FCC Rcd. 6417, 6440-41 ¶49 (Sept. 29, 1999) (Report and Order), published at 65 Fed. Reg. 63235, November 19, 1999
35 New Section 717(a) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 618(a).
36 New Section 717(a)(5) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 618(a)(5).  
37 New Section 717(a)(5)(A) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 618(a)(5)(A).  
38 New Section 718(a) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 619(a). 
39 New Section 718(b) of the Communications Act, to be codified at 47 U.S.C. § 619(b).  
40 See 47 C.F.R. §§ 1.415, 1419.
41 See Electronic Filing of Documents in Rulemaking Proceedings, GC Docket No. 97-113, Report and Order, 13 FCC Rcd 11322 (1998).

From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 03:58:22 2010
From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 21:58:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder about Community Service conference call
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwV19=uSkvYLXKm2gm91mVYP4c1UkTKuR1vF7F@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I would just like to remind you of the conference call taking place
tomorrow at 6 P.M. EST.  We will hear a great speaker discuss her
experiences with community service.  Here's the information in case
you still need it:



phone number 218.339.3600
 Passcode: 808277

Julie


From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 05:25:51 2010
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 00:25:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All:

Considering how well convention ended up going and how successful I've
been with travel recently, I hate to even post these questions but I
figured I better anyway.

I am considering (and as of now I'm just considering, haven't made any
official plans or anything yet) going to Washington Seminar and the
Blind Driver Challenge events at the end of January.

I would like to try to do both but I know the Blind Driver challenge
event ends on Sunday, Jan. 30, and the Washington Seminar begins the
next day on Jan. 31.

First, when is the student seminar?

Are any other students planning on going to both events or are most of
you just picking one or the other to attend?

Do you need to have great travel skills to attend either one or both
of these events or is it like convention where all skill levels are
present?

For Washington seminar, I know there aren't as many people as at
convention but is it a similar atmosphere where there are tons of
people around if assistance is needed or is everyone busy in their own
little group/state delegation?

Before convention I worried that if I needed something or assistance
and everyone was busy doing their own thing there wouldn't be anyone
around, however I quickly found out there were tons of people around,
and if you were lost somebody came up to you pretty quickly and asked
if you needed assistance...will it be similar at these events?

I really really want to attend either both or one of these events, if
I had to pick one over the other I'd like to go to Washington seminar
but if I can squeeze both in I'd like to...however just like for
convention I'm a little unsure/nervous...similarly to convention am I
worrying for nothing or should I wait and attend Washington Seminar
after aquiring better blindness skills?

Hope I am not out of line posting these questions...like I said at
this point I am only considering possibly going, and may not even
go...

I've been told Washington seminar is a great and very powerful
experience but I don't want to get in too far over my head and end up
making a fool out of myself.

Both of these events sound really exciting and I think would be really
fun to go to though...

Thanks,
Kerri


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 05:54:03 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 22:54:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikU-JU5u2JkGqKtbzr-k_9faGYwusUEJ8mCO+OW@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kerri and all,

The student seminar will be on Monday, Jan. 31. We will have a welcome
breakfast for new students followed by our seminar from 9:00-3:30.
After that will be the Great Gathering-In meeting, where everyone
assembles to learn about the legislative issues we will be discussing.
Then legislative appointments will be on Tuesday, Wednesday, and
Thursday.

I don't know anything about the Blind Driver Challenge (obviously
haven't been to it before since this is the first time) but I'll say
Washington Seminar is probably easier than convention, so if you
enjoyed convention you won't have anything to worry about. The hotel
is smaller, and our group is smaller (approximately 500 people instead
of 3000). As with convention, there will be marshals and hotel staff
able to give  directions, and most of the activities are held in the
same room (the Columbia Ballroom) so you should be able to start
learning the route there a lot faster than you would at convention.
And everyone will be going to the same place.

During the legislative visits, you will travel with the others from
your affiliate. You should talk to your state president to find out
who else is going and see if there is any financial assistance
available to help cut the hotel costs. You can just stick with the
other people from your affiliate when you travel around the Capitol
building. Of course it's possible your  affiliate might get lost, but
you won't be alone!

I would say we definitely see all skill levels at Washington Seminar,
just like convention, and I myself attended three Washington Seminars
and several conventions before I went to a training center. So if you
want to go, I'd say go! The biggest issue, I think, is potentially
missing school. Sometimes when I can't afford to miss a lot of school,
 I will only attend the NABS portion of the seminar, returning home on
Tuesday instead of on Thursday or Friday. You are welcome to attend
just the Daytona activities, just the student seminar, just the
legislative meetings, or two or all three of these. I think you will
enjoy it.

Arielle

On 12/4/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All:
>
> Considering how well convention ended up going and how successful I've
> been with travel recently, I hate to even post these questions but I
> figured I better anyway.
>
> I am considering (and as of now I'm just considering, haven't made any
> official plans or anything yet) going to Washington Seminar and the
> Blind Driver Challenge events at the end of January.
>
> I would like to try to do both but I know the Blind Driver challenge
> event ends on Sunday, Jan. 30, and the Washington Seminar begins the
> next day on Jan. 31.
>
> First, when is the student seminar?
>
> Are any other students planning on going to both events or are most of
> you just picking one or the other to attend?
>
> Do you need to have great travel skills to attend either one or both
> of these events or is it like convention where all skill levels are
> present?
>
> For Washington seminar, I know there aren't as many people as at
> convention but is it a similar atmosphere where there are tons of
> people around if assistance is needed or is everyone busy in their own
> little group/state delegation?
>
> Before convention I worried that if I needed something or assistance
> and everyone was busy doing their own thing there wouldn't be anyone
> around, however I quickly found out there were tons of people around,
> and if you were lost somebody came up to you pretty quickly and asked
> if you needed assistance...will it be similar at these events?
>
> I really really want to attend either both or one of these events, if
> I had to pick one over the other I'd like to go to Washington seminar
> but if I can squeeze both in I'd like to...however just like for
> convention I'm a little unsure/nervous...similarly to convention am I
> worrying for nothing or should I wait and attend Washington Seminar
> after aquiring better blindness skills?
>
> Hope I am not out of line posting these questions...like I said at
> this point I am only considering possibly going, and may not even
> go...
>
> I've been told Washington seminar is a great and very powerful
> experience but I don't want to get in too far over my head and end up
> making a fool out of myself.
>
> Both of these events sound really exciting and I think would be really
> fun to go to though...
>
> Thanks,
> Kerri
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>


-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 06:14:21 2010
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 01:14:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikU-JU5u2JkGqKtbzr-k_9faGYwusUEJ8mCO+OW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikU-JU5u2JkGqKtbzr-k_9faGYwusUEJ8mCO+OW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikhEyrb+re7jLCf_pJs8pMQ9LQkmCM1+Jo+XrVW@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arielle and All:

Oh neat, so with the student seminar being held on Monday it would be
possible for me to attend all of these events...

I know since it is the first one, you or anyone else may not know, but
will there be marshalls and such like at Washington seminar for the
Daytona event?

I will definitely talk to my state president before making any
official plans but I thought I'd ask on here my general questions
initially.

For the daytona event should I go as far as to contact Anil Lewis and
ask my questions about travel or should I just go for it and not worry
about not having the greatest travel skills?

Since you have pretty much cleared up my concerns about Washington
Seminar Arielle and told me to not be worried, I'm just now wondering
about Daytona...should I just go for it if I want to go or would I be
in over my head going to that? Again I just don't want to embarrass
myself or look like a fool in terms of not knowing where to go or what
to do. If there are people around however I should be fine.

Kerri

On 12/5/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Kerri and all,
>
> The student seminar will be on Monday, Jan. 31. We will have a welcome
> breakfast for new students followed by our seminar from 9:00-3:30.
> After that will be the Great Gathering-In meeting, where everyone
> assembles to learn about the legislative issues we will be discussing.
> Then legislative appointments will be on Tuesday, Wednesday, and
> Thursday.
>
> I don't know anything about the Blind Driver Challenge (obviously
> haven't been to it before since this is the first time) but I'll say
> Washington Seminar is probably easier than convention, so if you
> enjoyed convention you won't have anything to worry about. The hotel
> is smaller, and our group is smaller (approximately 500 people instead
> of 3000). As with convention, there will be marshals and hotel staff
> able to give  directions, and most of the activities are held in the
> same room (the Columbia Ballroom) so you should be able to start
> learning the route there a lot faster than you would at convention.
> And everyone will be going to the same place.
>
> During the legislative visits, you will travel with the others from
> your affiliate. You should talk to your state president to find out
> who else is going and see if there is any financial assistance
> available to help cut the hotel costs. You can just stick with the
> other people from your affiliate when you travel around the Capitol
> building. Of course it's possible your  affiliate might get lost, but
> you won't be alone!
>
> I would say we definitely see all skill levels at Washington Seminar,
> just like convention, and I myself attended three Washington Seminars
> and several conventions before I went to a training center. So if you
> want to go, I'd say go! The biggest issue, I think, is potentially
> missing school. Sometimes when I can't afford to miss a lot of school,
>  I will only attend the NABS portion of the seminar, returning home on
> Tuesday instead of on Thursday or Friday. You are welcome to attend
> just the Daytona activities, just the student seminar, just the
> legislative meetings, or two or all three of these. I think you will
> enjoy it.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 12/4/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi All:
>>
>> Considering how well convention ended up going and how successful I've
>> been with travel recently, I hate to even post these questions but I
>> figured I better anyway.
>>
>> I am considering (and as of now I'm just considering, haven't made any
>> official plans or anything yet) going to Washington Seminar and the
>> Blind Driver Challenge events at the end of January.
>>
>> I would like to try to do both but I know the Blind Driver challenge
>> event ends on Sunday, Jan. 30, and the Washington Seminar begins the
>> next day on Jan. 31.
>>
>> First, when is the student seminar?
>>
>> Are any other students planning on going to both events or are most of
>> you just picking one or the other to attend?
>>
>> Do you need to have great travel skills to attend either one or both
>> of these events or is it like convention where all skill levels are
>> present?
>>
>> For Washington seminar, I know there aren't as many people as at
>> convention but is it a similar atmosphere where there are tons of
>> people around if assistance is needed or is everyone busy in their own
>> little group/state delegation?
>>
>> Before convention I worried that if I needed something or assistance
>> and everyone was busy doing their own thing there wouldn't be anyone
>> around, however I quickly found out there were tons of people around,
>> and if you were lost somebody came up to you pretty quickly and asked
>> if you needed assistance...will it be similar at these events?
>>
>> I really really want to attend either both or one of these events, if
>> I had to pick one over the other I'd like to go to Washington seminar
>> but if I can squeeze both in I'd like to...however just like for
>> convention I'm a little unsure/nervous...similarly to convention am I
>> worrying for nothing or should I wait and attend Washington Seminar
>> after aquiring better blindness skills?
>>
>> Hope I am not out of line posting these questions...like I said at
>> this point I am only considering possibly going, and may not even
>> go...
>>
>> I've been told Washington seminar is a great and very powerful
>> experience but I don't want to get in too far over my head and end up
>> making a fool out of myself.
>>
>> Both of these events sound really exciting and I think would be really
>> fun to go to though...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kerri
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 08:25:51 2010
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 03:25:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikhEyrb+re7jLCf_pJs8pMQ9LQkmCM1+Jo+XrVW@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikU-JU5u2JkGqKtbzr-k_9faGYwusUEJ8mCO+OW@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikhEyrb+re7jLCf_pJs8pMQ9LQkmCM1+Jo+XrVW@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zOJaQqubxyq75eFiSmRTv2QXg9m93vn8Gw193@mail.gmail.com>

You could go to Daytona and then travel from Florida to D.C. Sunday
night. A lot of people are doing that. That being said, in my opinion,
if you are forced to choose 1, i would choose Washington Seminar. I am
biased, but it is a really powerful experience, and I beg borrow and
steal my way there every year.

Although you seem hesitant about your travel skills, i believe that
experience will do nothing but help. If nothing else, you will gain a
clearer prospective of the areas in which you need work. I have done
lots of networking and made tons of great friends through seminar, and
I feel like I am really contributing to accomplishing something
through the appointments. But definitely get with your affiliate.
While you interact with everyone during the student seminar and at
night, you will attend appointments set by your affiliate, and you
want to be sure and let them know you're going, so they can include
you in the schedule and help you learn the issues beforehand.

Cindy

On 12/5/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Arielle and All:
>
> Oh neat, so with the student seminar being held on Monday it would be
> possible for me to attend all of these events...
>
> I know since it is the first one, you or anyone else may not know, but
> will there be marshalls and such like at Washington seminar for the
> Daytona event?
>
> I will definitely talk to my state president before making any
> official plans but I thought I'd ask on here my general questions
> initially.
>
> For the daytona event should I go as far as to contact Anil Lewis and
> ask my questions about travel or should I just go for it and not worry
> about not having the greatest travel skills?
>
> Since you have pretty much cleared up my concerns about Washington
> Seminar Arielle and told me to not be worried, I'm just now wondering
> about Daytona...should I just go for it if I want to go or would I be
> in over my head going to that? Again I just don't want to embarrass
> myself or look like a fool in terms of not knowing where to go or what
> to do. If there are people around however I should be fine.
>
> Kerri
>
> On 12/5/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kerri and all,
>>
>> The student seminar will be on Monday, Jan. 31. We will have a welcome
>> breakfast for new students followed by our seminar from 9:00-3:30.
>> After that will be the Great Gathering-In meeting, where everyone
>> assembles to learn about the legislative issues we will be discussing.
>> Then legislative appointments will be on Tuesday, Wednesday, and
>> Thursday.
>>
>> I don't know anything about the Blind Driver Challenge (obviously
>> haven't been to it before since this is the first time) but I'll say
>> Washington Seminar is probably easier than convention, so if you
>> enjoyed convention you won't have anything to worry about. The hotel
>> is smaller, and our group is smaller (approximately 500 people instead
>> of 3000). As with convention, there will be marshals and hotel staff
>> able to give  directions, and most of the activities are held in the
>> same room (the Columbia Ballroom) so you should be able to start
>> learning the route there a lot faster than you would at convention.
>> And everyone will be going to the same place.
>>
>> During the legislative visits, you will travel with the others from
>> your affiliate. You should talk to your state president to find out
>> who else is going and see if there is any financial assistance
>> available to help cut the hotel costs. You can just stick with the
>> other people from your affiliate when you travel around the Capitol
>> building. Of course it's possible your  affiliate might get lost, but
>> you won't be alone!
>>
>> I would say we definitely see all skill levels at Washington Seminar,
>> just like convention, and I myself attended three Washington Seminars
>> and several conventions before I went to a training center. So if you
>> want to go, I'd say go! The biggest issue, I think, is potentially
>> missing school. Sometimes when I can't afford to miss a lot of school,
>>  I will only attend the NABS portion of the seminar, returning home on
>> Tuesday instead of on Thursday or Friday. You are welcome to attend
>> just the Daytona activities, just the student seminar, just the
>> legislative meetings, or two or all three of these. I think you will
>> enjoy it.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 12/4/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All:
>>>
>>> Considering how well convention ended up going and how successful I've
>>> been with travel recently, I hate to even post these questions but I
>>> figured I better anyway.
>>>
>>> I am considering (and as of now I'm just considering, haven't made any
>>> official plans or anything yet) going to Washington Seminar and the
>>> Blind Driver Challenge events at the end of January.
>>>
>>> I would like to try to do both but I know the Blind Driver challenge
>>> event ends on Sunday, Jan. 30, and the Washington Seminar begins the
>>> next day on Jan. 31.
>>>
>>> First, when is the student seminar?
>>>
>>> Are any other students planning on going to both events or are most of
>>> you just picking one or the other to attend?
>>>
>>> Do you need to have great travel skills to attend either one or both
>>> of these events or is it like convention where all skill levels are
>>> present?
>>>
>>> For Washington seminar, I know there aren't as many people as at
>>> convention but is it a similar atmosphere where there are tons of
>>> people around if assistance is needed or is everyone busy in their own
>>> little group/state delegation?
>>>
>>> Before convention I worried that if I needed something or assistance
>>> and everyone was busy doing their own thing there wouldn't be anyone
>>> around, however I quickly found out there were tons of people around,
>>> and if you were lost somebody came up to you pretty quickly and asked
>>> if you needed assistance...will it be similar at these events?
>>>
>>> I really really want to attend either both or one of these events, if
>>> I had to pick one over the other I'd like to go to Washington seminar
>>> but if I can squeeze both in I'd like to...however just like for
>>> convention I'm a little unsure/nervous...similarly to convention am I
>>> worrying for nothing or should I wait and attend Washington Seminar
>>> after aquiring better blindness skills?
>>>
>>> Hope I am not out of line posting these questions...like I said at
>>> this point I am only considering possibly going, and may not even
>>> go...
>>>
>>> I've been told Washington seminar is a great and very powerful
>>> experience but I don't want to get in too far over my head and end up
>>> making a fool out of myself.
>>>
>>> Both of these events sound really exciting and I think would be really
>>> fun to go to though...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kerri
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>> nabs-l:
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Arielle Silverman
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>> Email:
>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>> Website:
>> www.nabslink.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
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uNC Wilmington Psychology major

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828.989.5383


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 14:57:46 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 09:57:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=mdOG5cbHNmQKMJreisYd5rQ9-qrnk_e8sQCGy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABFC97F1733F47EFB9F8333EFBCA7A8D@Rufus>

Kerri,

I hate to break it to you.  Only people with advanced travel skills are
welcomed at Washington Seminar.  You actually need to be VSBP certified to
take part in the event at Florida.  This is because people at the events
will be too busy communicating within their own groups to really render any
extra assistance to newcomers.  People without the right preparation and
attitude, I'm afraid, just might be getting in over their head, get turned
around and self-destruct!  ...  Clearly, I'm being sarcastic, but I guess I
don't understand why you still feel the need to ask permission to do
anything.  A lot of confidence is based on your willingness to set your mind
to doing something and then going out and doing it.  Easier said then done?
Always, but then, nothing worth achieving is ever easy.  Your post makes me
wonder if you think our organization is condescending and judgmental and
that you need to reach some level of skill before you're accepted.  Remember
the NFB is about the work first and the people second.  We have our fair
share of idiots who frown down on people without the precise attitude
becoming of the very super blind person, but an interesting point I've
observed over time is that these people are far and few between and that
their arrogance is only alive while in the company of other blind people.
So, never mind what we think.  It's about what you feel moved to do with
your time and especially, your money.  Every event the NFB hosts features a
wide range of personalities and skill sets as diverse as the people
contributing to this list.

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten
Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 12:26 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions

Hi All:

Considering how well convention ended up going and how successful I've
been with travel recently, I hate to even post these questions but I
figured I better anyway.

I am considering (and as of now I'm just considering, haven't made any
official plans or anything yet) going to Washington Seminar and the
Blind Driver Challenge events at the end of January.

I would like to try to do both but I know the Blind Driver challenge
event ends on Sunday, Jan. 30, and the Washington Seminar begins the
next day on Jan. 31.

First, when is the student seminar?

Are any other students planning on going to both events or are most of
you just picking one or the other to attend?

Do you need to have great travel skills to attend either one or both
of these events or is it like convention where all skill levels are
present?

For Washington seminar, I know there aren't as many people as at
convention but is it a similar atmosphere where there are tons of
people around if assistance is needed or is everyone busy in their own
little group/state delegation?

Before convention I worried that if I needed something or assistance
and everyone was busy doing their own thing there wouldn't be anyone
around, however I quickly found out there were tons of people around,
and if you were lost somebody came up to you pretty quickly and asked
if you needed assistance...will it be similar at these events?

I really really want to attend either both or one of these events, if
I had to pick one over the other I'd like to go to Washington seminar
but if I can squeeze both in I'd like to...however just like for
convention I'm a little unsure/nervous...similarly to convention am I
worrying for nothing or should I wait and attend Washington Seminar
after aquiring better blindness skills?

Hope I am not out of line posting these questions...like I said at
this point I am only considering possibly going, and may not even
go...

I've been told Washington seminar is a great and very powerful
experience but I don't want to get in too far over my head and end up
making a fool out of myself.

Both of these events sound really exciting and I think would be really
fun to go to though...

Thanks,
Kerri

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From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 21:56:24 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2010 16:56:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free ivona voices with klango
Message-ID: <4CFC0A88.3090602@gmail.com>

Hi

Just wanted to let you all know that with the latest klango version you 
can now get your choice of two, free, Ivona voices. If you want two 
different ones then just uninstall the first two and pick two new ones. 
get it at the new www.klango.net downloads section. klango is free but 
there are some paid for services.
Josh


From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  6 12:09:14 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 04:09:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
Message-ID: <558046.58485.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good morning Arielle and all,
I will most likely book my ticket for Daytona Beach sometime this week, but I am thinking about fly into Orlando and taking a shetul to Daytona. 

I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Sat, 12/4/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar/Blind Driver Challenge Questions
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 11:54 PM
> Hi Kerri and all,
> 
> The student seminar will be on Monday, Jan. 31. We will
> have a welcome
> breakfast for new students followed by our seminar from
> 9:00-3:30.
> After that will be the Great Gathering-In meeting, where
> everyone
> assembles to learn about the legislative issues we will be
> discussing.
> Then legislative appointments will be on Tuesday,
> Wednesday, and
> Thursday.
> 
> I don't know anything about the Blind Driver Challenge
> (obviously
> haven't been to it before since this is the first time) but
> I'll say
> Washington Seminar is probably easier than convention, so
> if you
> enjoyed convention you won't have anything to worry about.
> The hotel
> is smaller, and our group is smaller (approximately 500
> people instead
> of 3000). As with convention, there will be marshals and
> hotel staff
> able to give  directions, and most of the activities
> are held in the
> same room (the Columbia Ballroom) so you should be able to
> start
> learning the route there a lot faster than you would at
> convention.
> And everyone will be going to the same place.
> 
> During the legislative visits, you will travel with the
> others from
> your affiliate. You should talk to your state president to
> find out
> who else is going and see if there is any financial
> assistance
> available to help cut the hotel costs. You can just stick
> with the
> other people from your affiliate when you travel around the
> Capitol
> building. Of course it's possible your  affiliate
> might get lost, but
> you won't be alone!
> 
> I would say we definitely see all skill levels at
> Washington Seminar,
> just like convention, and I myself attended three
> Washington Seminars
> and several conventions before I went to a training center.
> So if you
> want to go, I'd say go! The biggest issue, I think, is
> potentially
> missing school. Sometimes when I can't afford to miss a lot
> of school,
>  I will only attend the NABS portion of the seminar,
> returning home on
> Tuesday instead of on Thursday or Friday. You are welcome
> to attend
> just the Daytona activities, just the student seminar, just
> the
> legislative meetings, or two or all three of these. I think
> you will
> enjoy it.
> 
> Arielle
> 
> On 12/4/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi All:
> >
> > Considering how well convention ended up going and how
> successful I've
> > been with travel recently, I hate to even post these
> questions but I
> > figured I better anyway.
> >
> > I am considering (and as of now I'm just considering,
> haven't made any
> > official plans or anything yet) going to Washington
> Seminar and the
> > Blind Driver Challenge events at the end of January.
> >
> > I would like to try to do both but I know the Blind
> Driver challenge
> > event ends on Sunday, Jan. 30, and the Washington
> Seminar begins the
> > next day on Jan. 31.
> >
> > First, when is the student seminar?
> >
> > Are any other students planning on going to both
> events or are most of
> > you just picking one or the other to attend?
> >
> > Do you need to have great travel skills to attend
> either one or both
> > of these events or is it like convention where all
> skill levels are
> > present?
> >
> > For Washington seminar, I know there aren't as many
> people as at
> > convention but is it a similar atmosphere where there
> are tons of
> > people around if assistance is needed or is everyone
> busy in their own
> > little group/state delegation?
> >
> > Before convention I worried that if I needed something
> or assistance
> > and everyone was busy doing their own thing there
> wouldn't be anyone
> > around, however I quickly found out there were tons of
> people around,
> > and if you were lost somebody came up to you pretty
> quickly and asked
> > if you needed assistance...will it be similar at these
> events?
> >
> > I really really want to attend either both or one of
> these events, if
> > I had to pick one over the other I'd like to go to
> Washington seminar
> > but if I can squeeze both in I'd like to...however
> just like for
> > convention I'm a little unsure/nervous...similarly to
> convention am I
> > worrying for nothing or should I wait and attend
> Washington Seminar
> > after aquiring better blindness skills?
> >
> > Hope I am not out of line posting these
> questions...like I said at
> > this point I am only considering possibly going, and
> may not even
> > go...
> >
> > I've been told Washington seminar is a great and very
> powerful
> > experience but I don't want to get in too far over my
> head and end up
> > making a fool out of myself.
> >
> > Both of these events sound really exciting and I think
> would be really
> > fun to go to though...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kerri
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
> account info for
> > nabs-l:
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
> account info for nabs-l:
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>



      


From AReid at browngold.com  Mon Dec  6 14:48:09 2010
From: AReid at browngold.com (Anna Reid)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 09:48:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for Cornell students
Message-ID: <F0078745BDA1D442B9BA19143FEA66CD51240C27CA@BALT-X1-EXCH01.BGL.root>

Hello everyone!

I am an NFB member and paralegal for the NFB's outside counsel, Brown Goldstein and Levy. We (BGL and the NFB) are interested in speaking with current or recent blind students at Cornell University. If you have attended Cornell or know someone who has, please contact me at areid at browngold.com<mailto:areid at browngold.com> or at 443-923-1321. If you call, leave a message and include the best times to reach you.

Thanks for your help!

Anna Reid
Paralegal
Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
120 E. Baltimore Street, Suite 1700
Baltimore, MD 21202-6701
Tel:  410-962-1030
Fax:  410-385-0869
areid at browngold.com<mailto:areid at browngold.com>
www.browngold.com<http://www.browngold.com>


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 15:11:47 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:11:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
Message-ID: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>

I am trying to figure out a way to do my math homework on my computer so that I can submit the assignments in an easy to read typed format. Do you have any ideas for an easy to learn accessible way to create and solve math problems on the computer?

 

Also, are there any classes or resources to learn LaTex?

 

Thank you for your help, 

Mark Cadigan

kramc11 at gmail.com 



From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  6 16:30:54 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:30:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <18CC418F17AC4F9E844ED8A4EF8E9F9B@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hello,

Your question sounds as if it has a simple answer, which makes me wonder if 
I understand exactly what you are asking.  However, I will give you the 
simple answer.  First, you could use Microsoft Word or another word 
processing program and simply type the problems.  You would want to consider 
spacing so that numbers lined up properly.  This is if you need to show your 
work.  You might choose to use a certain color to represent a number being 
crossed out for instructors, or change the number to a letter you determine 
to represent a crossed-out number.  For example, if you have the number 
87-28, you would need to cross out the 8 located in the tens place of the 87 
since over in the ones column you couldn't take 7-8.  Therefore, you would 
have to regroup, or borrow if you like to call it that.  So the 8 would turn 
into a 7, and the 7 this 8 turns into is placed directly above the 8.  Then, 
the sighted person would scribble through the 8.  Since you couldn't 
scribble through the 8, you might use a letter there, such as the letter x. 
If x is used in the problem anywhere at all or throughout your Math work 
anywhere since you would probably want to be consistent, then you and your 
teacher would always know that if he or she or you encountered the letter x, 
it meant a scribbled out letter.  However, for you, you might want to use a 
different letter than x for this since x is often used in Algebra.  Maybe 
make it the letter w.  Of course, the teacher will know by looking at the 
problem and your work as well.  Plus, if you used a letter and a certain 
color, the instructor would even know it wasn't a letter being used in the 
problem, but a crossed-out number.  Excel is another program for doing Math. 
It is a spreadsheet, and it can actually do calculations for you.  However, 
you could still write your own problems down by placing them in different 
cells.  In this way, you would know things were aligned correctly.  For 
example, you might have the -, +, *, or / in column a; you might have the 
thousands place in column b, the hundreds place in column c, etc.  You could 
write the word line where lines are supposed to go.  or You could use 
underlines, maybe.  Just some thoughts, and sorry if it wasn't the true 
answer to your question.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:11 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer


>I am trying to figure out a way to do my math homework on my computer so 
>that I can submit the assignments in an easy to read typed format. Do you 
>have any ideas for an easy to learn accessible way to create and solve math 
>problems on the computer?
>
>
>
> Also, are there any classes or resources to learn LaTex?
>
>
>
> Thank you for your help,
>
> Mark Cadigan
>
> kramc11 at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 16:40:36 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 11:40:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <18CC418F17AC4F9E844ED8A4EF8E9F9B@AnitaAdkinsPC>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
	<18CC418F17AC4F9E844ED8A4EF8E9F9B@AnitaAdkinsPC>
Message-ID: <6D0350EAAF074AD58E05E8ADC7063F20@SonyPC>

I am in calculus, so some of the cymbals I have to use are only found in the 
equation editor. I haven't found MS office equation editor to be that 
accessible.

Thanks
Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math on the computer


> Hello,
>
> Your question sounds as if it has a simple answer, which makes me wonder 
> if I understand exactly what you are asking.  However, I will give you the 
> simple answer.  First, you could use Microsoft Word or another word 
> processing program and simply type the problems.  You would want to 
> consider spacing so that numbers lined up properly.  This is if you need 
> to show your work.  You might choose to use a certain color to represent a 
> number being crossed out for instructors, or change the number to a letter 
> you determine to represent a crossed-out number.  For example, if you have 
> the number 87-28, you would need to cross out the 8 located in the tens 
> place of the 87 since over in the ones column you couldn't take 7-8. 
> Therefore, you would have to regroup, or borrow if you like to call it 
> that.  So the 8 would turn into a 7, and the 7 this 8 turns into is placed 
> directly above the 8.  Then, the sighted person would scribble through the 
> 8.  Since you couldn't scribble through the 8, you might use a letter 
> there, such as the letter x. If x is used in the problem anywhere at all 
> or throughout your Math work anywhere since you would probably want to be 
> consistent, then you and your teacher would always know that if he or she 
> or you encountered the letter x, it meant a scribbled out letter. 
> However, for you, you might want to use a different letter than x for this 
> since x is often used in Algebra.  Maybe make it the letter w.  Of course, 
> the teacher will know by looking at the problem and your work as well. 
> Plus, if you used a letter and a certain color, the instructor would even 
> know it wasn't a letter being used in the problem, but a crossed-out 
> number.  Excel is another program for doing Math. It is a spreadsheet, and 
> it can actually do calculations for you.  However, you could still write 
> your own problems down by placing them in different cells.  In this way, 
> you would know things were aligned correctly.  For example, you might have 
> the -, +, *, or / in column a; you might have the thousands place in 
> column b, the hundreds place in column c, etc.  You could write the word 
> line where lines are supposed to go.  or You could use underlines, maybe. 
> Just some thoughts, and sorry if it wasn't the true answer to your 
> question.  Anita
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:11 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
>
>
>>I am trying to figure out a way to do my math homework on my computer so 
>>that I can submit the assignments in an easy to read typed format. Do you 
>>have any ideas for an easy to learn accessible way to create and solve 
>>math problems on the computer?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, are there any classes or resources to learn LaTex?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your help,
>>
>> Mark Cadigan
>>
>> kramc11 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 16:47:33 2010
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:47:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS90FE4C01D91454736113DBA2B0@phx.gbl>

Hi all,

 

I'm wondering if any of you have had success in setting formatting options
with Microsoft Word and Jaws? I'm using Word2007. Specifically, I am wanting
to add a running header on the document with text and a page number. I can
navigate to the header and footer options area, but once there, it isn't
looking like it is very accessible. I'm using Jaws 11. Any tips or tricks
would be fantastic! As someone who is completely blind, formatting is my
nemesis. The keystrokes aren't the problem, it's making sure it has done
what you want it to do. 

 

Thanks, and take care,

 

Liz

 

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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Mon Dec  6 17:07:05 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 12:07:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <SNT124-DS90FE4C01D91454736113DBA2B0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT124-DS90FE4C01D91454736113DBA2B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C769B3BDF5F24827B34108736803C086@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hey,

Sorry I can't give too much help with this, but I agree this is a headache. 
If you put the header on, I notice that the document seems unreadable. 
However, if you close it and reopen it, you can tell it has worked, and/or 
if you alt+tabbed out of it and into a different document, you can also 
access the document again.  What I mean is that when I first did this for 
one of my classes, I thought I could no longer access the text in the 
document, but once I left the document and returned, I could then read the 
text.  I'm sure you are also aware that alt+delete will tell you exactly how 
far in your cursor is sitting from the left, and so this can tell you how 
far in a header might start.  insert+f tells you the font and paragraphing 
and such as well.  I would go find my document and play for you, but right 
now, I am so extremely busy that I do not have time.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Liz Bottner" <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if any of you have had success in setting formatting options
> with Microsoft Word and Jaws? I'm using Word2007. Specifically, I am 
> wanting
> to add a running header on the document with text and a page number. I can
> navigate to the header and footer options area, but once there, it isn't
> looking like it is very accessible. I'm using Jaws 11. Any tips or tricks
> would be fantastic! As someone who is completely blind, formatting is my
> nemesis. The keystrokes aren't the problem, it's making sure it has done
> what you want it to do.
>
>
>
> Thanks, and take care,
>
>
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> email:
>
> <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com
>
> Visit my LiveJournal:
>
> <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>
> Follow me on Twitter:
>
> http://twitter.com/lizbot
>
>
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From Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com  Mon Dec  6 17:38:16 2010
From: Rachel at BeckerConsultants.com (Rachel Becker)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:38:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <C769B3BDF5F24827B34108736803C086@AnitaAdkinsPC>
Message-ID: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEPICOAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>

While we're on the subject of formatting in MS word, I am having a problem
with the footnotes for my paper not appearing on the right pages. Has anyone
else had this problem? Does anyone have a solution? Also, if you have a
document with comments inserted into it is there a way to read the document
and the comments at the same time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Anita Adkins
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft
Word


Hey,

Sorry I can't give too much help with this, but I agree this is a headache.
If you put the header on, I notice that the document seems unreadable.
However, if you close it and reopen it, you can tell it has worked, and/or
if you alt+tabbed out of it and into a different document, you can also
access the document again.  What I mean is that when I first did this for
one of my classes, I thought I could no longer access the text in the
document, but once I left the document and returned, I could then read the
text.  I'm sure you are also aware that alt+delete will tell you exactly how
far in your cursor is sitting from the left, and so this can tell you how
far in a header might start.  insert+f tells you the font and paragraphing
and such as well.  I would go find my document and play for you, but right
now, I am so extremely busy that I do not have time.  Anita
----- Original Message -----
From: "Liz Bottner" <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word


> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I'm wondering if any of you have had success in setting formatting options
> with Microsoft Word and Jaws? I'm using Word2007. Specifically, I am
> wanting
> to add a running header on the document with text and a page number. I can
> navigate to the header and footer options area, but once there, it isn't
> looking like it is very accessible. I'm using Jaws 11. Any tips or tricks
> would be fantastic! As someone who is completely blind, formatting is my
> nemesis. The keystrokes aren't the problem, it's making sure it has done
> what you want it to do.
>
>
>
> Thanks, and take care,
>
>
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> email:
>
> <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com
>
> Visit my LiveJournal:
>
> <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>
> Follow me on Twitter:
>
> http://twitter.com/lizbot
>
>
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Dec  6 18:04:28 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:04:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
	<18CC418F17AC4F9E844ED8A4EF8E9F9B@AnitaAdkinsPC>
Message-ID: <6BF3AD57F581412A86302EAB112B570D@stanford.edu>

What level of math? Do you also have an electronic Braille notetaker such as 
a BrailleNote?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math on the computer


> Hello,
>
> Your question sounds as if it has a simple answer, which makes me wonder 
> if I understand exactly what you are asking.  However, I will give you the 
> simple answer.  First, you could use Microsoft Word or another word 
> processing program and simply type the problems.  You would want to 
> consider spacing so that numbers lined up properly.  This is if you need 
> to show your work.  You might choose to use a certain color to represent a 
> number being crossed out for instructors, or change the number to a letter 
> you determine to represent a crossed-out number.  For example, if you have 
> the number 87-28, you would need to cross out the 8 located in the tens 
> place of the 87 since over in the ones column you couldn't take 7-8. 
> Therefore, you would have to regroup, or borrow if you like to call it 
> that.  So the 8 would turn into a 7, and the 7 this 8 turns into is placed 
> directly above the 8.  Then, the sighted person would scribble through the 
> 8.  Since you couldn't scribble through the 8, you might use a letter 
> there, such as the letter x. If x is used in the problem anywhere at all 
> or throughout your Math work anywhere since you would probably want to be 
> consistent, then you and your teacher would always know that if he or she 
> or you encountered the letter x, it meant a scribbled out letter. 
> However, for you, you might want to use a different letter than x for this 
> since x is often used in Algebra.  Maybe make it the letter w.  Of course, 
> the teacher will know by looking at the problem and your work as well. 
> Plus, if you used a letter and a certain color, the instructor would even 
> know it wasn't a letter being used in the problem, but a crossed-out 
> number.  Excel is another program for doing Math. It is a spreadsheet, and 
> it can actually do calculations for you.  However, you could still write 
> your own problems down by placing them in different cells.  In this way, 
> you would know things were aligned correctly.  For example, you might have 
> the -, +, *, or / in column a; you might have the thousands place in 
> column b, the hundreds place in column c, etc.  You could write the word 
> line where lines are supposed to go.  or You could use underlines, maybe. 
> Just some thoughts, and sorry if it wasn't the true answer to your 
> question.  Anita
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:11 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
>
>
>>I am trying to figure out a way to do my math homework on my computer so 
>>that I can submit the assignments in an easy to read typed format. Do you 
>>have any ideas for an easy to learn accessible way to create and solve 
>>math problems on the computer?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, are there any classes or resources to learn LaTex?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for your help,
>>
>> Mark Cadigan
>>
>> kramc11 at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 18:25:51 2010
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 12:25:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1291658404.29547.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.18.1291658404.29547.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <002601cb9573$052eec50$0f8cc4f0$@com>

Mark,

I had a similar problem to yours when doing homework for calculus,
economics, and statistics. When I wanted to make notes or do problems for
myself, I had to make up my own notation in MS Word. Unfortunately, this
could not be handed in to instructors. I had to either work with a
reader/scribe to do assignments, or have somebody translate what I had typed
up into the accepted notation.

Sorry I don't have a good answer for you, but if anybody does, I would love
to hear it.

Sean



From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 18:57:50 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 13:57:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <6BF3AD57F581412A86302EAB112B570D@stanford.edu>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC><18CC418F17AC4F9E844ED8A4EF8E9F9B@AnitaAdkinsPC>
	<6BF3AD57F581412A86302EAB112B570D@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <DCFE872007EE4134A09B24ACCFF8EC4F@SonyPC>

I am in calculus. I don't have any sort of note taker. Just a laptop. Up to 
now, I have been doing the math with a large marker and a stack of computer 
paper, but this is no longer practical

Thanks,
Mark
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nicole B. Torcolini at Home" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math on the computer


> What level of math? Do you also have an electronic Braille notetaker such 
> as a BrailleNote?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 8:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Your question sounds as if it has a simple answer, which makes me wonder 
>> if I understand exactly what you are asking.  However, I will give you 
>> the simple answer.  First, you could use Microsoft Word or another word 
>> processing program and simply type the problems.  You would want to 
>> consider spacing so that numbers lined up properly.  This is if you need 
>> to show your work.  You might choose to use a certain color to represent 
>> a number being crossed out for instructors, or change the number to a 
>> letter you determine to represent a crossed-out number.  For example, if 
>> you have the number 87-28, you would need to cross out the 8 located in 
>> the tens place of the 87 since over in the ones column you couldn't take 
>> 7-8. Therefore, you would have to regroup, or borrow if you like to call 
>> it that.  So the 8 would turn into a 7, and the 7 this 8 turns into is 
>> placed directly above the 8.  Then, the sighted person would scribble 
>> through the 8.  Since you couldn't scribble through the 8, you might use 
>> a letter there, such as the letter x. If x is used in the problem 
>> anywhere at all or throughout your Math work anywhere since you would 
>> probably want to be consistent, then you and your teacher would always 
>> know that if he or she or you encountered the letter x, it meant a 
>> scribbled out letter. However, for you, you might want to use a different 
>> letter than x for this since x is often used in Algebra.  Maybe make it 
>> the letter w.  Of course, the teacher will know by looking at the problem 
>> and your work as well. Plus, if you used a letter and a certain color, 
>> the instructor would even know it wasn't a letter being used in the 
>> problem, but a crossed-out number.  Excel is another program for doing 
>> Math. It is a spreadsheet, and it can actually do calculations for you. 
>> However, you could still write your own problems down by placing them in 
>> different cells.  In this way, you would know things were aligned 
>> correctly.  For example, you might have the -, +, *, or / in column a; 
>> you might have the thousands place in column b, the hundreds place in 
>> column c, etc.  You could write the word line where lines are supposed to 
>> go.  or You could use underlines, maybe. Just some thoughts, and sorry if 
>> it wasn't the true answer to your question.  Anita
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
>> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
>> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 10:11 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
>>
>>
>>>I am trying to figure out a way to do my math homework on my computer so 
>>>that I can submit the assignments in an easy to read typed format. Do you 
>>>have any ideas for an easy to learn accessible way to create and solve 
>>>math problems on the computer?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, are there any classes or resources to learn LaTex?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help,
>>>
>>> Mark Cadigan
>>>
>>> kramc11 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>>
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From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 22:36:47 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 17:36:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] math on the computer
Message-ID: <4CFD657F.2080704@gmail.com>

Hi

Learn LaTeX it will do calculus, trig, and more. Go get LyX for windows.


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 00:42:02 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 19:42:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo for Sale
Message-ID: <E15F6D167DC14CB3A1AF82ACCC400E7C@Rufus>

Hello,

I have the latest copies of Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo for sale.  If you're
new to Mobile Speak, it is a screen reading software for Windows Mobile
phones.  Mobile Geo provides GPS navigation software.  Please scroll down
for links to the complete list of features.

1. I'll sell Mobile Geo by itself for $600.  This is $295 off the normal
price.  If you want to pay in two installments, I'll let it go for $700,
which is still $88 less than the lowest price I could find online.

2. I'll sell Mobile Speak and Mobile Geo together for $900.  This is $290
off of what it would cost for both products and $163 less than the lowest
prices I could find for both products together.  If you want to pay in two
installments, I'll let them go for an even $1,000.

Notes:

A. People who want to arrange for two installments should be prepared to
sign a contract and be prepared to schedule an automatic future payment.

B. If you can find an online deal that beats my rate, send me the link to an
established company.

C. Only PayPal is accepted.  You need not have a PayPal account to pay with
a credit or debit card.

D. You need Mobile Speak to run Mobile Geo.  For a list of compatible phones
that run Mobile Speak, please visit:

http://www.codefactory.es/en/phoneslist.asp?id=342

E. For information on Mobile Speak, please visit:

http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316

F. For information on Mobile Geo, please visit:

http://www.senderogroup.com/products/shopmgeo.htm

Looking forward to some serious inquiries,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Tue Dec  7 04:19:54 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2010 22:19:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Massachusetts Residents Unable to Access Emergency
	Information
Message-ID: <auto-000184645359@mailfront1.g2host.com>





FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


CONTACT:

Mika Pyyhkala

National Board member

President, NFB of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Massachusetts

(617) 202-3497

pyyhkala at gmail.com





Blind Massachusetts Residents
Unable to Access Emergency Information





Contractor Everbridge Blocks Blind Subscribers
  from Emergency Alert Systems



Boston, Massachusetts (December 6, 2010): The National Federation of 
the Blind of Massachusetts (NFB of MA) is working to resolve an 
emergency issue with the City of Boston and one of its contractors, 
Everbridge.  The city contracts with Everbridge to provide a 
subscription service whereby residents can receive emergency alerts 
by telephone, text message, or e-mail, but blind residents cannot 
access the service because registering involves a visual 
captcha.  Captchas are automated tests used to tell humans and 
computers apart, often through the use of distorted letters that must 
be retyped by the person attempting to register for an online 
service.  Since blind people cannot respond to visual-only captchas, 
which cannot be read by screen access software used by the blind, 
many entities provide an audio alternative or some other form of 
captcha, such as a simple logic question.  Everbridge's system 
provides no such alternative.



NFB of MA President Mika Pyyhkala has been unable to reach the 
company since discovering the problem on November 29, despite 
repeated attempts at contact through its Twitter and Facebook 
accounts, e-mail addresses, and telephone customer service system, as 
well as a telephone call to the office of its CEO.



Mika Pyyhkala, president of the National Federation of the Blind of 
Massachusetts, said: "Blind people need timely access to information 
in emergency situations, just like everyone else.  Clearly, however, 
Everbridge did not give this basic need any consideration when it 
designed its system; nor did the cities of Boston, Waltham, and 
Winchester consider the needs of their blind citizens during their 
procurement processes.  The sluggish response by Everbridge and the 
City of Boston to this emergency is deplorable given that it would be 
very easy for Everbridge to fix this problem or for the city to 
procure this service from a company that does not use a visual 
captcha as the sole means of allowing users to register.  The 
Everbridge accessibility issue represents a wake-up call for every 
CIO and CTO regarding technology, civil rights, and timely 
communication with stakeholders."





###




From jbahm at pcdesk.net  Tue Dec  7 11:08:36 2010
From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 04:08:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <4CFE15B4.1040601@pcdesk.net>

Mark,
For working math problems I recommend using LaTeX. I use it all the
time. It allows one to both be able to work the problems by looking at
the symbols, and then to generate something which is visually acceptable
to a professor. I can point you to some resources if you are interested.
-- 
They say god has always been. Linux and I will now disprove that:
$ ar m God
ar: creating God
There you have it. God was created by the ar program. Good news is, God
really does exist!
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 13:30:08 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 08:30:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <4CFE15B4.1040601@pcdesk.net>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>
	<4CFE15B4.1040601@pcdesk.net>
Message-ID: <5E8F14AD23D148F6B29FB629AAD52892@SonyPC>

Joseph,
I was trying to learn LaTex, but I was not having much success. I don't know 
what I am doing wrong. I would love it if you could point me in the 
direction of resources to learn LaTex.

Thanks
Mark 



From golfereric at comcast.net  Tue Dec  7 17:46:20 2010
From: golfereric at comcast.net (Eric Gaudes)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:46:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <5E8F14AD23D148F6B29FB629AAD52892@SonyPC>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC><4CFE15B4.1040601@pcdesk.net>
	<5E8F14AD23D148F6B29FB629AAD52892@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <6E070B46BAD642FA951FB197C3AEA56B@SCHOOLLAPTOP>

Geoff, 

Well I updated to Jaws 11 on my PC and look for the Real Speak voice that I
had currently in Jaws 10 and the voice wasn't there. That is why I asked
this specific question.

Thanks,
Eric Gaudes 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Mark J. Cadigan
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 8:30 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math on the computer

Joseph,
I was trying to learn LaTex, but I was not having much success. I don't know

what I am doing wrong. I would love it if you could point me in the 
direction of resources to learn LaTex.

Thanks
Mark 


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From golfereric at comcast.net  Tue Dec  7 17:54:35 2010
From: golfereric at comcast.net (Eric Gaudes)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 12:54:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Email
Message-ID: <FE2B1B6D1D774C8A9C2871E9984E2243@SCHOOLLAPTOP>

Everyone, 

 

Please disregard my message from me. I was trying to reply to someone else
about a totally different subject matter.

 

 

Thanks,

Eric Gaudes 


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 18:21:55 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 13:21:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Convention Question
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MV+vkKsjYFAQ5qPNsjQooq8_VNzq_UdNoMT+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi!
During this year's past national convention, there was a speaker, the
product director of HumanWare. He spoke about the latest developments
in the victor stream, up coming products, etc.
Can anyone tell me the name of the director of product developments
for Humanware? He spoke at national this year, and I'm interested in
getting in touch with him.
>From David


From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 19:44:49 2010
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 14:44:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEPICOAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
References: <C769B3BDF5F24827B34108736803C086@AnitaAdkinsPC>
	<FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEPICOAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GrGAWgHS6n=+hKPw27YgZ2HHA=F3NfCgP0Nc1@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all,
  I agree that headers and footnotes are annoying-- I usually ask
someone sighted to check that everything is in the right place before
I hand in a formal paper-- so any tips about how to do this accurately
and independently would be much appreciated. As for Rachel's question
about reading comments, I usually just navigate through the document
like I normally would, And JAWS will read the comment when
encountering one in the text. this is a bit slow and tedious with long
documents, but I found it much more useful than reading the comments
by themselves.
   Katie

On 12/6/10, Rachel Becker <Rachel at beckerconsultants.com> wrote:
> While we're on the subject of formatting in MS word, I am having a problem
> with the footnotes for my paper not appearing on the right pages. Has anyone
> else had this problem? Does anyone have a solution? Also, if you have a
> document with comments inserted into it is there a way to read the document
> and the comments at the same time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Anita Adkins
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:07 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft
> Word
>
>
> Hey,
>
> Sorry I can't give too much help with this, but I agree this is a headache.
> If you put the header on, I notice that the document seems unreadable.
> However, if you close it and reopen it, you can tell it has worked, and/or
> if you alt+tabbed out of it and into a different document, you can also
> access the document again.  What I mean is that when I first did this for
> one of my classes, I thought I could no longer access the text in the
> document, but once I left the document and returned, I could then read the
> text.  I'm sure you are also aware that alt+delete will tell you exactly how
> far in your cursor is sitting from the left, and so this can tell you how
> far in a header might start.  insert+f tells you the font and paragraphing
> and such as well.  I would go find my document and play for you, but right
> now, I am so extremely busy that I do not have time.  Anita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liz Bottner" <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 11:47 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if any of you have had success in setting formatting options
>> with Microsoft Word and Jaws? I'm using Word2007. Specifically, I am
>> wanting
>> to add a running header on the document with text and a page number. I can
>> navigate to the header and footer options area, but once there, it isn't
>> looking like it is very accessible. I'm using Jaws 11. Any tips or tricks
>> would be fantastic! As someone who is completely blind, formatting is my
>> nemesis. The keystrokes aren't the problem, it's making sure it has done
>> what you want it to do.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, and take care,
>>
>>
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>>
>> email:
>>
>> <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com
>>
>> Visit my LiveJournal:
>>
>> <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>>
>> Follow me on Twitter:
>>
>> http://twitter.com/lizbot
>>
>>
>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 20:15:57 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:15:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting formatting options with Jaws and Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=GrGAWgHS6n=+hKPw27YgZ2HHA=F3NfCgP0Nc1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C769B3BDF5F24827B34108736803C086@AnitaAdkinsPC><FHENLGICKACMNOHLGEFJOEPICOAA.Rachel@BeckerConsultants.com>
	<AANLkTi=GrGAWgHS6n=+hKPw27YgZ2HHA=F3NfCgP0Nc1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <062EC7B308784EED879E6707FBCB46DC@Rufus>

The keystroke to read the list of comments is Control + Shift + Apostrophe.
You can enter on individual comments, and JAWS will take you to the location
in the document where the comment has been inserted.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 



From agrima at nbp.org  Tue Dec  7 20:21:52 2010
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 15:21:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Monday Morning Quotations - an excellent braille gift!
Message-ID: <4421F6B68F37444A8D1738241975574B@nbp2.local>

Note: Don't forget to stock up and SAVE on print/braille picture books,
and see our big selection of gift ideas! NBP's annual Holiday Sale ends
Dec. 31st. http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html

Monday Morning Quotations
Compiled by D. Croft
In contracted braille, spiral-bound, $9.00

Our braille catalogs always include a unique quotation on the cover.
Over the years, customers have called and written to say how much they
enjoy them and to suggest, "Why not put together a whole book of unique
quotations?" So, we did! Compiled by Diane Croft, this small
spiral-bound quotation booklet contains 52 quotes - one for each week.
Every Monday, turn back another page and see who shows up - Nathaniel
Hawthorne, Carl Rogers, Steve Jobs, Carlos Castaneda? Plenty of fun for
anyone on your gift list - and treat yourself, too! 

To order this book online, visit 
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES2011.html



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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec  8 01:59:48 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 19:59:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Monday Morning Quotations - an
 excellent braille gift!
Message-ID: <auto-000184837639@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Note: Don't forget to stock up and SAVE on print/braille picture books,
>and see our big selection of gift ideas! NBP's annual Holiday Sale ends
>Dec. 31st. http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html
>
>Monday Morning Quotations
>Compiled by D. Croft
>In contracted braille, spiral-bound, $9.00
>
>Our braille catalogs always include a unique quotation on the cover.
>Over the years, customers have called and written to say how much they
>enjoy them and to suggest, "Why not put together a whole book of unique
>quotations?" So, we did! Compiled by Diane Croft, this small
>spiral-bound quotation booklet contains 52 quotes - one for each week.
>Every Monday, turn back another page and see who shows up - Nathaniel
>Hawthorne, Carl Rogers, Steve Jobs, Carlos Castaneda? Plenty of fun for
>anyone on your gift list - and treat yourself, too!
>
>To order this book online, visit
>http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES2011.html
>
>
>
>******
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 04:59:28 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 20:59:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Conference call: Dating and Relationships part 2!
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwphCSEO7PxCRweTtojr36SgEzvPp3o5chmhoC@mail.gmail.com>

Seasons Greetings Fellow Students,
 It’s the most wonderful time of the year! – Exams, gift shopping,
and cold weather!  Ok, well at least you have another nabs conference
call to look forward to!
      For the Final nabs conference of 2010 we bring you…: Dating and
Relationships… part 2 (the sequel? Yes, the sequel!)    Here we will
hear from  a   couple where both partners are blind, and a couple
where  both a blind and sighted person are present.
 This call, scheduled to take place Sunday, December 19th at 8p.m.
EST, is sure to follow last year’s informative and lively nature.  So
bring your questions,  Bring your stories, and most certainly bring
yourselves!

 Who?: The membership committee (and guest speakers) of the national
association of blind students
What?: “Dating and Relationships” part 2!
When?: Sunday!!... December 19, 2010 at 8p.m. EST, 7p.m. CT, 6p.m. MT,
5p.m. PT. (ok, I think you get the idea).
Where?: conference call!(712) 775-7100  Pass Code: 257963
How?: Call in… Duh!
Why?: because you have questions about dating and relationships, and
you missed last years call or, you just want in on this one too!
•       This call is set to be recorded, so if  for some strange reason you
really want to miss out on this one, You’ll at least have the
opportunity to gain some insights *smile*.
 We look forward to seeing you there!

       Warm regards and best holiday wishes,
 The Nabs membership committee.


-- 
Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 05:26:41 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:26:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Pennies for Pages: Going Strong and Still looking for your
	help.
Message-ID: <AANLkTindx0BmBNyoM8YoAJWHUtK_fSjti5Bsm5eSphC6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS members,

I am writing once again regarding NABS’ 2nd annual Pennies for Pages
fundraiser. We have received a great response so far, but we are still
seeking readers
and sponsors to take part in this exciting fundraising effort!

This fundraiser is being run in conjunction with the Braille Readers
are Learers contest, which starts on November 1 and runs through
January 4, so there
is still plenty of time to sign up. In fact, readers can sign up for
the contest and start soliciting pledges up through the end of the
contest on January
4.

The idea is this. Students, or anybody else who is interested in
helping to raise money for Braille literacy and our national and state
student divisions,
can sign up to participate in the Braille Readers are Leaders program
and then solicit donations from friends, family, or anybody really,
for Braille pages
read throughout the duration of the contest. Of course, donations of
fixed sums are also gratefully accepted.

If you are already participating in either the K-12 or Adult Braille
Readers are Leaders contests, you can simply register with NABS as a
reader and find
people to sponsor you for each page you read. To register as a reader
with NABS, please fill the online form at:
www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php

Or contact Sean Whalen at
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
 or 608 332-4147.

If you are not yet signed up for the contest, no worries! The reading
contest runs from November 1, 2010 through January 4, 2011, and
registration for Braille
Readers are Leaders is open now, and will remain open throughout the
duration of the contest. To register for either the K-12 or Adult
Braille Readers
are Leaders Contests, please go to
www.nfb.org/bral
. And, remember, once you have registered for the contest, sign up
with NABS to participate in our Pennies for Pages fundraising effort!

If, rather than registering as a reader, you would like to support
NABS’ efforts by sponsoring a reader, or making a fixed donation,
please either register
as a sponsor at:

www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php

or contact Sean Whalen at
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
 or 608 332-4147.

Donations can be accepted in cash or as checks made out to the
National Association of Blind Students and can be given to our
Treasurer, Nijat Worley, either
in person at Washington Seminar or sent, via postal mail, to:

Nijat Worley

2905 East College Ave, Unit 106

Boulder, CO 80303

If you wish to participate or have any questions at all about the
plan, please contact Sean Whalen at either 608-332-4147 or
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
. I will be compiling the list of participants and would be happy to
answer any questions which anybody might have.

Any money we raise through Pennies for Pages will be shared, in equal
portions, between NABS, the National Association to Promote the Use of
Braille, and
the state student divisions (or affiliates) in which the readers reside.

NABS looks forward to working together to raise money for, and promote
awareness of, Braille literacy!

Sincerely,
 Sean Whalen



-- 
Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From jbahm at pcdesk.net  Wed Dec  8 06:55:01 2010
From: jbahm at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 23:55:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <5E8F14AD23D148F6B29FB629AAD52892@SonyPC>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>	<4CFE15B4.1040601@pcdesk.net>
	<5E8F14AD23D148F6B29FB629AAD52892@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <4CFF2BC5.1080909@pcdesk.net>

Mark,
Here is a link to a book which I used to learn the basics of LaTeX. I
still use it as a resource when I need to know how to do something. It
doesn't cover the really advanced stuff like writing your own styles,
but you won't likely be doing that anyway. It'll be more than enough for
your purposes I'm thinking.

http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=LaTeX/Print_version&printable=yes

The book has some info on LaTeX implementations. I don't know a lot
about the Windows ones. I personally use either texlive under Linux, or
tetex with cygwin under Windows.
-- 
They say god has always been. Linux and I will now disprove that:
$ ar m God
ar: creating God
There you have it. God was created by the ar program. Good news is, God
really does exist!
Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 12:39:22 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:39:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math on the computer
In-Reply-To: <4CFF2BC5.1080909@pcdesk.net>
References: <A7ADB978065A4949870CC352B00CF070@SonyPC>	<4CFE15B4.1040601@pcdesk.net><5E8F14AD23D148F6B29FB629AAD52892@SonyPC>
	<4CFF2BC5.1080909@pcdesk.net>
Message-ID: <14B8A593BE4845559EFCA1119548EB38@SonyPC>

thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math on the computer


> Mark,
> Here is a link to a book which I used to learn the basics of LaTeX. I
> still use it as a resource when I need to know how to do something. It
> doesn't cover the really advanced stuff like writing your own styles,
> but you won't likely be doing that anyway. It'll be more than enough for
> your purposes I'm thinking.
>
> http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=LaTeX/Print_version&printable=yes
>
> The book has some info on LaTeX implementations. I don't know a lot
> about the Windows ones. I personally use either texlive under Linux, or
> tetex with cygwin under Windows.
> -- 
> They say god has always been. Linux and I will now disprove that:
> $ ar m God
> ar: creating God
> There you have it. God was created by the ar program. Good news is, God
> really does exist!
> Joseph C. Lininger, <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 00:32:44 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbbmacc O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:32:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Convention Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=MV+vkKsjYFAQ5qPNsjQooq8_VNzq_UdNoMT+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=MV+vkKsjYFAQ5qPNsjQooq8_VNzq_UdNoMT+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <111DFE03-ACE8-42DC-93EA-4A52DC328680@gmail.com>

That was Humanware's CEO on the general session platform.

The Apex and Other Developments at HumanWare; Gilles Pepin, Chief Executive Officer, HumanWare
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention_Highlights.asp


On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:21 PM, David Dunphy wrote:

Hi!
During this year's past national convention, there was a speaker, the
product director of HumanWare. He spoke about the latest developments
in the victor stream, up coming products, etc.
Can anyone tell me the name of the director of product developments
for Humanware? He spoke at national this year, and I'm interested in
getting in touch with him.
> From David

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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Dec  9 03:34:42 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:34:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Help Qwitter, improve accessibility!
Message-ID: <auto-000185031493@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I am forwarding the message below and ask everyone to help out.  I 
use Qwitter daily, and love it.  It is an innovative piece of 
software that allows blind persons to use Twitter, and other 
services, on the basis of quality.  Let's help reward some deserving 
young blind programmers.

David Andrews


>From: Q <q at qwitter-client.net>
>To: dandrews at visi.com
>Subject: Help Qwitter, improve accessibility!



>Our world is rapidly changing.  Technology is being integrated with 
>our daily lives as never before, and as blind individuals we know 
>better than most people the importance of having real access to this 
>technology.
>I am a developer of a piece of accessible technology which you may 
>currently use, The Qwitter client, the most powerful and flexible 
>Twitter client for the blind.  Qwitter, as a new breed of 
>application known as an accessibility layer, sits between you and a 
>remote web site's API, providing innovative access to modern web 2.0 
>web sites such as Twitter and soon Facebook from anywhere on your 
>system at any time.
>      Why am I bugging you now?
>About two months ago, Qwitter was entered into a contest being run 
>by a relatively-large web site devoted to social networking known as 
>Mashable.  This is a prominent web site for the sighted, covering 
>many developments in the social networking space.  With the help of 
>hundreds of blind Qwitter users, we have moved on to the final round 
>of voting, surpassing literally thousands of other applications.
>You may be wondering why some relatively trivial social networking 
>application or contest is at all relevant to you.  In this case, it 
>is my strong belief that what we as blind computer users need is 
>exposure to sighted developers to show them that we represent a 
>large, powerful market.  What better way to do this than by spanking 
>them all in a contest?
>Seriously, though, I believe that with your help, we can demonstrate 
>the efficacy of creating accessible software.  Let us proudly 
>represent the size and power of the blind community and get the 
>message out there that we're more than ready for equal access to 
>these, and many other important technologies.
>The process to vote only takes a second if you have either Twitter 
>or Facebook.  All you need to do is click on the following address:
>http://mashable.com/awards/votes?c=28&v=191
>At the bottom of the first list of links you'll find two graphical 
>links, one which reads Twitter Login2, and one that reads Facebook 
>login.  Depending on which service you use, click the appropriate 
>link, sign in with your credentials, and allow the service to use 
>your account with the allow button.
>     Once you have logged in, you will go back to the original page, 
> but magically, two combo boxes will appear.  Navigate to these and 
> verify that the top one is set to Best use of API and the second to 
> Qwitter client (they should be by default.)  Then, just hit the vote button.
>You are allowed to vote once a day, and I ask that you please 
>do.  There are only seven days left, and with your help and 
>perseverance we can win this contest and show a large amount of 
>sighted developers that accessibility is more than worthwhile!
>Thank you very much for your time and at tension,
>      Christopher Toth
>      @Mongoose_q on Twitter.



From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 16:37:38 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 11:37:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Convention Question
In-Reply-To: <111DFE03-ACE8-42DC-93EA-4A52DC328680@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=MV+vkKsjYFAQ5qPNsjQooq8_VNzq_UdNoMT+A@mail.gmail.com>
	<111DFE03-ACE8-42DC-93EA-4A52DC328680@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim8MaTz-U_dvtZMsmJ0-JX+0Dyoj7Fp_soaPuPq@mail.gmail.com>

So that Peppin guy is the CEO?

On 12/8/10, Corbbmacc O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
> That was Humanware's CEO on the general session platform.
>
> The Apex and Other Developments at HumanWare; Gilles Pepin, Chief Executive
> Officer, HumanWare
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention_Highlights.asp
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:21 PM, David Dunphy wrote:
>
> Hi!
> During this year's past national convention, there was a speaker, the
> product director of HumanWare. He spoke about the latest developments
> in the victor stream, up coming products, etc.
> Can anyone tell me the name of the director of product developments
> for Humanware? He spoke at national this year, and I'm interested in
> getting in touch with him.
>> From David
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 21:02:16 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2010 13:02:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Help Qwitter, improve accessibility!
In-Reply-To: <auto-000185031493@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000185031493@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRo=sdRHWzQJSi3oQhUWjedYUMYG-1+xMkQmUe@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:34:42 -0600
Subject: [Blindtlk] Fwd: Help Qwitter, improve accessibility!
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org

I am forwarding the message below and ask everyone to help out.  I
use Qwitter daily, and love it.  It is an innovative piece of
software that allows blind persons to use Twitter, and other
services, on the basis of quality.  Let's help reward some deserving
young blind programmers.

David Andrews


>From: Q <q at qwitter-client.net>
>To: dandrews at visi.com
>Subject: Help Qwitter, improve accessibility!



>Our world is rapidly changing.  Technology is being integrated with
>our daily lives as never before, and as blind individuals we know
>better than most people the importance of having real access to this
>technology.
>I am a developer of a piece of accessible technology which you may
>currently use, The Qwitter client, the most powerful and flexible
>Twitter client for the blind.  Qwitter, as a new breed of
>application known as an accessibility layer, sits between you and a
>remote web site's API, providing innovative access to modern web 2.0
>web sites such as Twitter and soon Facebook from anywhere on your
>system at any time.
>      Why am I bugging you now?
>About two months ago, Qwitter was entered into a contest being run
>by a relatively-large web site devoted to social networking known as
>Mashable.  This is a prominent web site for the sighted, covering
>many developments in the social networking space.  With the help of
>hundreds of blind Qwitter users, we have moved on to the final round
>of voting, surpassing literally thousands of other applications.
>You may be wondering why some relatively trivial social networking
>application or contest is at all relevant to you.  In this case, it
>is my strong belief that what we as blind computer users need is
>exposure to sighted developers to show them that we represent a
>large, powerful market.  What better way to do this than by spanking
>them all in a contest?
>Seriously, though, I believe that with your help, we can demonstrate
>the efficacy of creating accessible software.  Let us proudly
>represent the size and power of the blind community and get the
>message out there that we're more than ready for equal access to
>these, and many other important technologies.
>The process to vote only takes a second if you have either Twitter
>or Facebook.  All you need to do is click on the following address:
>http://mashable.com/awards/votes?c=28&v=191
>At the bottom of the first list of links you'll find two graphical
>links, one which reads Twitter Login2, and one that reads Facebook
>login.  Depending on which service you use, click the appropriate
>link, sign in with your credentials, and allow the service to use
>your account with the allow button.
>     Once you have logged in, you will go back to the original page,
> but magically, two combo boxes will appear.  Navigate to these and
> verify that the top one is set to Best use of API and the second to
> Qwitter client (they should be by default.)  Then, just hit the vote button.
>You are allowed to vote once a day, and I ask that you please
>do.  There are only seven days left, and with your help and
>perseverance we can win this contest and show a large amount of
>sighted developers that accessibility is more than worthwhile!
>Thank you very much for your time and at tension,
>      Christopher Toth
>      @Mongoose_q on Twitter.


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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 11 14:38:18 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 08:38:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Possible funding opportunities: Inventions, social change,
	rehabilitation
Message-ID: <712E7972A07E4FA39EECB2A3F46222E5@D3DTZP41>

RFP Alerts: Philanthropy News DigestHello:

     I saw the following and thought it might be of interest. There are three Requests For Proposals.

Merry Christmas,

Robert Jaquiss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: PND RFP Alerts 
To: Rjaquiss at earthlink.net 
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 4:23 AM
Subject: Today's RFPs from Philanthropy News Digest


              
            December 11, 2010

            The following requests for proposals have been posted to Philanthropy News Digest: 


            Kessler Foundation Offers Grants to Increase Employment Outcomes for People With Disabilities
            Grants of up to $500,000 over two years will be awarded to nonprofits, schools, public institutions, and state government agencies working on non-traditional approaches designed to increase employment outcomes for individuals with disabilities.... 
            Deadline: February 15, 2011 
            Posted: December 11, 2010

            Lemelson-MIT InvenTeam Program Offers High School Invention Grants
            Grants of up to $10,000 will be awarded to teams comprised of high school students, teachers, and mentors who invent technological solutions to real-world problems, particularly those that affect the world's poorest people.... 
            Deadline: March 18, 2011 (early feedback); April 22, 2011 (initial application)
            Posted: December 11, 2010

            University Students From Around the World Invited to Enter Dell Social Innovation Competition
            A seed grant of $50,000 will be awarded to an undergraduate or graduate-level student from any university or college in the world who has developed a financially viable, scalable venture whose main purpose is to address a significant social problem.... 
            Deadline: February 14, 2011 
            Posted: December 11, 2010



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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Dec 11 21:27:27 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 15:27:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BrailleConnect 32/40 Leather Case by EPI
Message-ID: <auto-000181978340@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: "Al Eremita" <aleremita at executiveproductsinc.com>
>Subject: BrailleConnect 32/40 Leather Case by EPI
>
>
>*New* BrailleConnect 32/40 Fitted Leather Case with Strap!!!
>[]
>
>[]
>
>Features: New Softer Leather and E-Rings
>The EPI BrailleConnect 32 and 40 cases will not 
>allow your unit to slip out of this case. It is 
>a form fit custom leather case and designed to
>enable the BrailleConnect user to easily utilize 
>the note taker. These cases comes with a 
>comfortable shoulder strap that will secure your unit
>while not in use and transit. The face of the 
>unit is covered with a zipper pocket cover which 
>may be opened / closed with magnet closures.
>The zipper pocket cover may be flipped on to the 
>rear and secured under the unit if the user 
>needs to utilize the note taker while walking.
>The large zipper pocket can store your ear buds 
>and other items which provide security and 
>protection. It is designed to enable the user to
>utilize your BrailleConnect while the case is 
>on. The case is equipped with a black plastic 
>hooks to provide security, durability and safety.
>EPI continues the tradition of creating 
>functional, durable and beautiful fitted cases. Made in the U.S.A.
>****Shipment will begin on Dec 20, 2010****
>
>•The BrailleConnect 32 will not slip out of this case
>
>•Accessibility to data ports, headphone, all keys and other ports.
>
>•The zipper pocket may be used to store date cards, ear buds, etc.
>
>•Keyboard is exposed while the cover is open
>
>•Extremely durable with a superior design.
>
>Price $79.95  order at 
><http://www.executiveproductsinc.com>www.executiveproductsinc.com 
>or call us at 818-833-8080   24/7
>
>Don’t Forget the NLS cases for $39.95.
>
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>Fax: 818-833-5798
>Office: 818-833-8080
>Mobile: 818-723-8444
><http://www.executiveproductsinc.com/>www.ExecutiveProductsinc.com
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 19:03:41 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 11:03:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Disabled young adults needed for anthology
In-Reply-To: <8CD6908E1535A84-9E8-669E@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4D05A2F5.5050109@borp.org>
	<8CD6908E1535A84-9E8-669E@Webmail-m109.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXFGHCCrCwCa6JnAUZQ+fmgcMzEGsi4VuZTbbt@mail.gmail.com>

Thought I would share.  If you feel so compelled to share your story,
I would highly encourage it.  This sounds like a really cool project.
I wish I could get my hands on the finish product.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Darian Smith <ds94124 at aol.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 13:15:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Fwd: Disabled young adults needed for anthology
To: dsmithnfb at gmail.com



-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Newman <jonathan at borp.org>
Sent: Sun, Dec 12, 2010 8:37 pm
Subject: Fwd: Disabled young adults needed for anthology


Call for Submissions: Disability in America Anthology
January 15, 2011
This year, the disability community is celebrating the 20th anniversary
of the
passage of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), the civil rights
law that
protects the rights of people with disabilities. Although the struggle
continues, NYLN recognizes that the realities of people with
disabilities look
vastly different in many ways. With this in mind, NYLN is requesting
proposals
for chapters in a book-length anthology to document this legacy and
record the
stories of young people with disabilities talking about what it is to
grow up
with a disability in this day and age. NYLN is seeking creative
non-fiction
essays from young people with disabilities ages 13-30 (some flexibility
will be
available for compelling submissions from individuals slightly outside
our
preferred age range). People with all types of disabilities are welcome
to
submit. Speaking from personal experience is strongly encouraged. The
intent of
this project is to use personal voices to capture the experience of the
new
generation of young people with disabilities.
For details: voicesoftheadageneration at gmail.com









-- 
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Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 18:56:22 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 10:56:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] american sign language
Message-ID: <AANLkTikNhUqCGBpwD4jO7cw+mvXn1a6tWKQaF2OxYqoY@mail.gmail.com>

Hello list,
  I was wondering  if anyone has expirience being taught sign language
as a blind person? for the field that I wish to go into, I would like
to have  the ability to communicate with the deaf, and obviously sign
would be a really good way of doing this :).

 any pointers, resources, etc wuld be greatly appreciated!
  Best,
  Darian
-- 
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Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 21:41:13 2010
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:41:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Fw: Alert: Take the Dog Attack Survey
In-Reply-To: <D6256B1BA42342B09A486CD04DF52584@carl>
References: <D6256B1BA42342B09A486CD04DF52584@carl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-So_Q6OGgaWmi2eAaBZST9+Q5XHmbjtE3HK0D@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: NFBNY office <office at nfbny.org>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 15:47:30 -0500
Subject: Fw: Alert: Take the Dog Attack Survey
To: Romeo <romeoedmead at gmail.com>, Alexander Castillo
<alexandera.castillo at gmail.com>, Angie <arobin3911 at juno.com>, Chancey
<chancey.fleet at gmail.com>, Charlie <charlieofalbany at verizon.net>,
"David R. Stayer" <davidandloristayer at verizon.net>, Dennis
<dholston at nyc.rr.com>, Elaine <elainemrink at hotmail.com>, Julie
<jbrew48 at verizon.net>, Lucy <septembergirl95 at gmail.com>, Maria
<mtg129 at verizon.net>, Mike Robinson <buffnfb at gmail.com>, Mindy
Jacobsen <mindyjoy at nyc.rr.com>, Ray <rwayne1 at nyc.rr.com>, Wilber
<rub34nil8 at yahoo.com>, margo <margo.downey at verizon.net>

FYI CJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mindy Jacobsen
To: office at nfbny.org
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 3:45 PM
Subject: Fw: Alert: Take the Dog Attack Survey



----- Original Message -----
From: Dawn M. Suvino
To: 'Ann DeShazo' ; 'William Hixson' ; mcush at visionsvcb.org ; 'Annie
Presley' ; rmazon at visionsvcb.org ; 'William C. Daniels III' ; 'Diane
Weiss' ; 'Melissa Phipps' ; 'Betsy Fabricant' ; SchadingA at jgb.org ;
'John Hess' ; computerbobs at hotmail.com ; 'Mindy Jacobsen'
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:41 PM
Subject: FW: Alert: Take the Dog Attack Survey



Please distribute widely.  The survey is open to all dog guide users -
not just Seeing Eye grads.

Dawn M. Suvino
Director of Workforce Development & Training
VISIONS/Services for the Blind and Visually Impaired
135 W. 23rd Street
New York, NY 10011

646.486.4444, ext. 14
dsuvino at visionsvcb.org

Please visit our website at http://www.visionsvcb.org




------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  From: The Seeing Eye, Inc. [mailto:noreply_seeingeye.org at bmsend.com]
On Behalf Of The Seeing Eye, Inc.
  Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 2:23 PM
  To: Dawn Suvino
  Subject: Alert: Take the Dog Attack Survey


  To view as a Webpage, click here
              The Seeing Eye, Inc.


                    ***Please forward to other guide dog handlers in
the United States and Canada***


                    Dear Fellow Guide Dog Handlers,
                    One of the biggest dangers we face as we travel
with our guide dogs is attacks or interference from aggressive dogs.
In an attempt to help increase awareness of this problem and the
importance of responsible dog ownership for the pet owning public, The
Seeing Eye has launched a survey across the U.S. and Canada that will
take an in-depth look at dog attacks and interference.

                    The survey is open to all guide dog handlers in
the United States and Canada and we will share our summary results
upon request. We're using an online service that we know to be user
friendly for screen readers, so we strongly encourage you to
participate and tell any other guide dog users you know about this
opportunity by forwarding this email or sharing the call-in number.

                    It's very important that we get responses from
people who have not encountered problems with other dogs as well as
those who have, no matter which school their dogs are from. The data
we collect from the survey will be essential in making our case with
law enforcement and animal control officers as well as with
legislators as we urge them to enact or strengthen laws to protect
guide dog teams. The survey will take between 5 to 20 minutes
depending on your answers. You may access the survey at the following
link: http://alturl.com/a5kcg.

                    For those of you who can't or don't want to take
the survey online, you can call The Seeing Eye's main number,
800-539-4425, and ask for extension 1520. You will be asked to leave
your name and phone number, and a volunteer will call you to conduct
the survey by telephone. The preferred method though is to take the
survey online, so I ask you to utilize that method if at all possible.

                    All those who respond by Friday, January 7, 2011,
will be entered in a raffle to win a $100 gift card.

                    Thank you all, in advance, for helping us to
better understand the scope of the issue  and to work toward a
solution to dog interference and dog attacks.


                    Sincerely,

                    Jim Kutsch
                    President & CEO
                    The Seeing Eye, Inc.


              www.SeeingEye.org


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From kat.bottner at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 01:11:46 2010
From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:11:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] american sign language
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikNhUqCGBpwD4jO7cw+mvXn1a6tWKQaF2OxYqoY@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikNhUqCGBpwD4jO7cw+mvXn1a6tWKQaF2OxYqoY@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601cb9b2b$e18e9cf0$0201a8c0@katdesktop>

			Hey all,
I have had experience in sign language as a person with low vision, and I
have to have people sign in my hand as I'm not able to see when people sign
to me.  I don't' need sign for myself, but I want to learn it because I
think it's a beautiful language.  I am also hearing impaired so I went to
the Helen Keller National Center on Long Island, so I had to learn sign
language in order to talk to the students while I was living there.  I want
to get back into learning sign, so I'm trying to think of ways for someone
who has low vision and who is a Braille user can learn it successfully.  I
have taken three classes in sign and have had interpreters in all three
classes, and that was a huge help.  I hope this information helps.

Take Care,
Kat

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Darian Smith
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] american sign language

Hello list,
  I was wondering  if anyone has expirience being taught sign language
as a blind person? for the field that I wish to go into, I would like
to have  the ability to communicate with the deaf, and obviously sign
would be a really good way of doing this :).

 any pointers, resources, etc wuld be greatly appreciated!
  Best,
  Darian
-- 
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Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 01:59:33 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 17:59:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Conference call: Dating and Relationships part 2!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwphCSEO7PxCRweTtojr36SgEzvPp3o5chmhoC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimwphCSEO7PxCRweTtojr36SgEzvPp3o5chmhoC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=nFLkiZWENHsjsF86TRwH_dSNQ+x=xtwRwrJbz@mail.gmail.com>

 Seasons Greetings Fellow Students,
  It’s the most wonderful time of the year! – Exams, gift shopping,
 and cold weather!  Ok, well at least you have another nabs conference
 call to look forward to!
       For the Final nabs conference of 2010 we bring you…: Dating and
 Relationships… part 2 (the sequel? Yes, the sequel!)    Here we will
 hear from  a   couple where both partners are blind, and a couple
 where  both a blind and sighted person are present.
  This call, scheduled to take place Sunday, December 19th at 8p.m.
 EST, is sure to follow last year’s informative and lively nature.  So
 bring your questions,  Bring your stories, and most certainly bring
 yourselves!

  Who?: The membership committee (and guest speakers) of the national
association of blind students> What?: “Dating and Relationships” part
2!
 When?: Sunday!!... December 19, 2010 at 8p.m. EST, 7p.m. CT, 6p.m. MT,
 5p.m. PT. (ok, I think you get the idea).
 Where?: conference call!(712) 775-7100  Pass Code: 257963
 How?: Call in… Duh!
 Why?: because you have questions about dating and relationships, and
 you missed last years call or, you just want in on this one too!
 •       This call is set to be recorded, so if  for some strange reason you
 really want to miss out on this one, You’ll at least have the
 opportunity to gain some insights *smile*.
  We look forward to seeing you there!

        Warm regards and best holiday wishes,
  The Nabs membership committee.


 --
 Darian Smith
 Skype: The_Blind_Truth
 Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
 Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace

 “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
 spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin



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Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 14 02:14:50 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:14:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Conference call: Dating and Relationships part 2!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=nFLkiZWENHsjsF86TRwH_dSNQ+x=xtwRwrJbz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimwphCSEO7PxCRweTtojr36SgEzvPp3o5chmhoC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=nFLkiZWENHsjsF86TRwH_dSNQ+x=xtwRwrJbz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31CBC1ABAD4945978AEDA9589C579637@SonyPC>

Will it be possible to listen to the conference call online? 


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Dec 14 11:14:22 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 05:14:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Passing of Priscilla McKinley
Message-ID: <auto-000185748666@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>From: Tracy Soforenko <PotomacNFB at verizon.net>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:55:31 -0500
>
>Subject: [Nfbv-announce] Sad news
>
>To: nfbv-announce at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
> >From Brian Miller:
>
>Dear federation friends and family:
>
>
>
>It is with great sadness that I must report the passing of Priscilla
>McKinley, a former chapter member of the NFB Potomac chapter, and the
>Virginia affiliate.  Priscilla passed away the night of December 11.
>
>She died quietly in her sleep, at home, with people who loved her.
>
>She would never confess her age, so neither will I.
>
>
>
>Priscilla was a long time federationist, joining the NFB in 1996.  She was a
>two-time national scholarship winner.  She earned her doctorate from the
>University of Iowa in 2007, and has a number of publications to her credit.
>
>
>
>She is survived by her son, John, who lives in the northern Virginia area.
>
>
>
>Information about funeral arrangements and memorial services will follow
>once they are finalized.
>
>
>
>Yours,
>
>
>
>Brian Miller



From mbdebus at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 14 14:45:48 2010
From: mbdebus at yahoo.com (Beth Debus)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 06:45:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] american sign language
In-Reply-To: <000601cb9b2b$e18e9cf0$0201a8c0@katdesktop>
Message-ID: <116534.56084.qm@web114003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Darian, I had to learn sign language when I worked at a school for the deaf. There are many different ways to learn. Someone can sign in your hand, you can feel their hands as they sign, or you can have them sign a little slower until you get the hang of it by watching. The person who taught me most of the sign language I know is deaf. I would finger spell words I didn't know. Then he would teach me the sign. Once you start using it everyday it's so easy to learn. 
 
Beth

--- On Mon, 12/13/10, Kat Bottner <kat.bottner at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Kat Bottner <kat.bottner at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] american sign language
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 8:11 PM


            Hey all,
I have had experience in sign language as a person with low vision, and I
have to have people sign in my hand as I'm not able to see when people sign
to me.  I don't' need sign for myself, but I want to learn it because I
think it's a beautiful language.  I am also hearing impaired so I went to
the Helen Keller National Center on Long Island, so I had to learn sign
language in order to talk to the students while I was living there.  I want
to get back into learning sign, so I'm trying to think of ways for someone
who has low vision and who is a Braille user can learn it successfully.  I
have taken three classes in sign and have had interpreters in all three
classes, and that was a huge help.  I hope this information helps.

Take Care,
Kat

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Darian Smith
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 1:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] american sign language

Hello list,
  I was wondering  if anyone has expirience being taught sign language
as a blind person? for the field that I wish to go into, I would like
to have  the ability to communicate with the deaf, and obviously sign
would be a really good way of doing this :).

any pointers, resources, etc wuld be greatly appreciated!
  Best,
  Darian
-- 
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From brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu  Tue Dec 14 14:46:36 2010
From: brian-r-miller at uiowa.edu (Brian Miller)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:46:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] Passing of Priscilla McKinley
In-Reply-To: <auto-000185748666@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000185748666@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <5C025CDB617D4F78AEC1CD9D974E63B4@BrianPC>

Dave,

Let me please add to my message below that:

Priscilla was born and raised in Iowa, and that is where she was when she
passed.  

She founded the Iowa City chapter of the NFB of Iowa, and held board and
officer positions in the Iowa state affiliate, as well as a number of
national divisions, including the Blind Educators and, the Writer's
division.  She was president of the Old Capitol chapter in Iowa City when
she died.  Her last night was spent with close friends at the chapter
holiday party, where she was the MC.  

She loved to write, to teach, to travel, and to spend lots of quality time
with her many friends, family, and her dog Bella.  She worked as a
composition teacher at the time of her passing.  She will be very much
missed.  

Thank you,

Brian Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:14 AM
To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; nfb-announce at nfbnet.org;
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Blindtlk] Passing of Priscilla McKinley


>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>
>From: Tracy Soforenko <PotomacNFB at verizon.net>
>
>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:55:31 -0500
>
>Subject: [Nfbv-announce] Sad news
>
>To: nfbv-announce at nfbnet.org
>
>
>
> >From Brian Miller:
>
>Dear federation friends and family:
>
>
>
>It is with great sadness that I must report the passing of Priscilla 
>McKinley, a former chapter member of the NFB Potomac chapter, and the 
>Virginia affiliate.  Priscilla passed away the night of December 11.
>
>She died quietly in her sleep, at home, with people who loved her.
>
>She would never confess her age, so neither will I.
>
>
>
>Priscilla was a long time federationist, joining the NFB in 1996.  She 
>was a two-time national scholarship winner.  She earned her doctorate 
>from the University of Iowa in 2007, and has a number of publications to
her credit.
>
>
>
>She is survived by her son, John, who lives in the northern Virginia area.
>
>
>
>Information about funeral arrangements and memorial services will 
>follow once they are finalized.
>
>
>
>Yours,
>
>
>
>Brian Miller


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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Dec 15 08:36:13 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 02:36:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] [Blindtlk] Passing of Priscilla McKinley
In-Reply-To: <5C025CDB617D4F78AEC1CD9D974E63B4@BrianPC>
References: <auto-000185748666@mailfront1.g2host.com>
	<5C025CDB617D4F78AEC1CD9D974E63B4@BrianPC>
Message-ID: <auto-000185930761@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Thanks for the additional info.  We are all saddened by the loss.

Dave

At 08:46 AM 12/14/2010, Brian Miller wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Let me please add to my message below that:
>
>Priscilla was born and raised in Iowa, and that is where she was when she
>passed.
>
>She founded the Iowa City chapter of the NFB of Iowa, and held board and
>officer positions in the Iowa state affiliate, as well as a number of
>national divisions, including the Blind Educators and, the Writer's
>division.  She was president of the Old Capitol chapter in Iowa City when
>she died.  Her last night was spent with close friends at the chapter
>holiday party, where she was the MC.
>
>She loved to write, to teach, to travel, and to spend lots of quality time
>with her many friends, family, and her dog Bella.  She worked as a
>composition teacher at the time of her passing.  She will be very much
>missed.
>
>Thank you,
>
>Brian Miller
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of David Andrews
>Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:14 AM
>To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org; nfb-announce at nfbnet.org;
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [Blindtlk] Passing of Priscilla McKinley
>
>
> >
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >
> >From: Tracy Soforenko <PotomacNFB at verizon.net>
> >
> >Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 20:55:31 -0500
> >
> >Subject: [Nfbv-announce] Sad news
> >
> >To: nfbv-announce at nfbnet.org
> >
> >
> >
> > >From Brian Miller:
> >
> >Dear federation friends and family:
> >
> >
> >
> >It is with great sadness that I must report the passing of Priscilla
> >McKinley, a former chapter member of the NFB Potomac chapter, and the
> >Virginia affiliate.  Priscilla passed away the night of December 11.
> >
> >She died quietly in her sleep, at home, with people who loved her.
> >
> >She would never confess her age, so neither will I.
> >
> >
> >
> >Priscilla was a long time federationist, joining the NFB in 1996.  She
> >was a two-time national scholarship winner.  She earned her doctorate
> >from the University of Iowa in 2007, and has a number of publications to
>her credit.
> >
> >
> >
> >She is survived by her son, John, who lives in the northern Virginia area.
> >
> >
> >
> >Information about funeral arrangements and memorial services will
> >follow once they are finalized.
> >
> >
> >
> >Yours,
> >
> >
> >
> >Brian Miller



From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 15 16:05:04 2010
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 10:05:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Conference call: Dating and Relationships part 2!
In-Reply-To: <31CBC1ABAD4945978AEDA9589C579637@SonyPC>
References: <AANLkTimwphCSEO7PxCRweTtojr36SgEzvPp3o5chmhoC@mail.gmail.com>	<AANLkTi=nFLkiZWENHsjsF86TRwH_dSNQ+x=xtwRwrJbz@mail.gmail.com>
	<31CBC1ABAD4945978AEDA9589C579637@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS213E447C4766842AF9AC1CBA140@phx.gbl>

Yes, I believe so.

Liz

email: 
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From: Inquire at YBResourceful.com (Front Desk of the Yegue Badigue Consulting Talents(YBCT)-A
	Resourceful Consulting ToolBox www.YBResourceful.com)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:34:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone is, or will be taking French lessons?
Message-ID: <COL117-DS3449FB818A01BE26AEFF0A6140@phx.gbl>

?Hello my fellow: Is any of you currently taking French classes, or will be taking it in the next semester?
Take advantage of my tutoring sessions for any level-we can use Skype, Yahoo, AIM or Live messenger-as long as you have an internet connection, and mic-often built into your laptop. Contact me Yegue pronounce Yaygay.
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 00:12:22 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 17:12:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Agenda Conference Call Thursday, Dec. 16
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmXNT7BqLR=ZXJkg1UxKTo0J6Pohv65-q+-syh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

We will be having a brief conference call tomorrow (Thursday) evening
at 9:00 p.m. Eastern to talk about plans for our Washington Seminar
NABS gathering. If you would like to make suggestions for the agenda
or help with recruiting speakers, please join us by calling
712-775-7100
and entering access code 257963. We appreciate your help!

Best,
Arielle

-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 18:01:59 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:01:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
Message-ID: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>

Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not willing
to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an iPod
Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:

1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given they're
both on a CDMA network?

2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD for
music and such?

3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?

4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
touch typing, gestures and such?

5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?

and finally,

6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google Voice
app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?

Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing



From mgoalball at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 18:42:43 2010
From: mgoalball at gmail.com (Matt McCubbin)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:42:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
Message-ID: <4D0A5DA3.7060804@gmail.com>

Joe,
My answers to your questions follow.
1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given 
they're both on a CDMA network?
Theoretically, this should be possible, although you're going to 
definitely pay a premium for an unlocked CDMA iPhone when it is released.
2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD 
for music and such?
I'm currently using around 13 GB for music/movies and 8 GB for apps. 
Unfortunately, none of Apple's iDevices support memory card expansion.
3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail 
be easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number 
of business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built 
for the iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
The iPod touch would work well as a business device, as long as you have 
WiFi. The email experience with iOS is fantastic; the ap supports 
syncing of multiple accounts, including Microsoft exchange, GMail, AOL, 
Yahoo and allows for manual configuration if necessary.
Which types of business apps would you like to use? Dropbox, TripIt, 
Skype, and many others work great. All apps that run on the iPhone will 
work on the iPod, unless the ap is reliant on iPhone-only hardware such 
as GPS.
4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course 
on touch typing, gestures and such?
Yes, feel free to visit
http://www.applevis.com
for guides, and a collection of ap reviews with accessibility with 
voice-over in mind.
5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
I have not, however I know a few companies have released GPS accessories 
for the iPod touch.
and finally,
6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google 
Voice app worked to communicate with people using 3G or WiFi networks?
Facetime works well, although it only is supported on WiFi networks. The 
Google Voice app has a few quirks, such as some unlabeled buttons, but 
it is accessible for the most part.
Hope this helps, and please let me know if you have further questions.
Best regards,
Matt

On 12/16/2010 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not willing
> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an iPod
> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>
> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given they're
> both on a CDMA network?
>
> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD for
> music and such?
>
> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>
> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
> touch typing, gestures and such?
>
> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>
> and finally,
>
> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google Voice
> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>
> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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From mworkman.lists at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 18:58:20 2010
From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 11:58:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
Message-ID: <8D72EF00B7354B9E852A7B6A8EE1923C@MarcPC>

Joe,

I don't have answers to all your questions, but I think I can offer some 
helpful comments on a few of them.  I've never even held an iPod Touch, but 
I've been a user of the iPhone since early July 2009.

2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD for
music and such?

As of today, my apps take up 3.3 Gb of space on my 16 Gb iPhone.  I could 
reduce this if I really wanted to; there are quite a few apps that I never 
use, but I'm not in desperate need of space right now.  Rather than putting 
on 10 Gb of music, only a tiny fraction of which you will ever listen to, I 
tend to only sync playlists.  This frees up more room for apps.  There is 
currently no way to expand memory through a micro SD card, though something 
could always be introduced in a future incarnation of the iPod Touch, which 
doesn't really help you if you want to get one sooner rather than later.

3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?

I don't really know enough about exchange accounts.  If you are willing to 
pay the approximately $100 per year subscription for Apple's MobileMe, then 
syncing mail, calendar appointments, notes, and contacts is supposed to be 
very easy across PCs, Macs, and portable devices.  I haven't signed up for 
this service yet, but I'm planning to.  One set of productivity apps that is 
not available on iPhone/iPod, but which is available on the iPad, is the 
iWork suite.  This includes Pages, the Word equivalent, Numbers, the Excel 
equivalent, and Keynote, the Powerpoint equivalent.  However, many have been 
asking Apple to bring out iPhone/Ipod versions, so who knows.  There are 
apps that will allow you to create text documents and have them uploaded 
directly to Dropbox, which can be very useful.  As far as I can tell, most 
apps are available on both devices, except in cases where the iPhone has 
some feature needed to efficiently run the app, see response to question 5.

4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
touch typing, gestures and such?

Simply in terms of learning the basics, I think Apple's voiceover guide is 
sufficient.  It really doesn't go much beyond the basics, but it gives 
enough info to learn the various gestures.  There is also a place in 
Settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover where you can practice the 
gestures, something like keyboard help.  If you search for Apple Vis, you 
can find a useful site with tutorials, reviews, and so on.  I'm on the 
Googlegroups list, which can be very useful, but also gets a huge amount of 
totally useless traffic.  Anytime I have a question about something, I find 
it helpful to go to the Googlegroups viphone site and do a search through 
the archives.  So you don't actually have to sign up to the list and receive 
the 100 messages a day in order to take advantage of the collective 
knowledge.

5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?

This seems to me unlikely because GPS only makes sense on a device that can 
make use of cellular signals.  The Touch only uses wifi.  If we got to a 
time when most major cities had free wifi throughout the entire city, then 
GPS might make sense, but right now, I don't think GPS is coming to the 
Touch.

There is one final point I will make that I can speak to only because I've 
had the device for so long.  With every major update, there have been 
significant improvements to voiceover.  For me, this is very important. 
Voiceover is clearly not just an add on.  It's an aspect of the operating 
system that they are intent on improving.  I'm sure it's not a top priority, 
but I've been very impressed with how much voiceover has improved since I 
first got the phone.  And of course I haven't had to pay anything for those 
upgrades.

I hope that is helpful.

Best,

Marc
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'" 
<nabs at acb.org>; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:01 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch


> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not willing
> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an 
> iPod
> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>
> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given 
> they're
> both on a CDMA network?
>
> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD 
> for
> music and such?
>
> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>
> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
> touch typing, gestures and such?
>
> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>
> and finally,
>
> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google Voice
> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>
> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 19:29:36 2010
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:29:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <8D72EF00B7354B9E852A7B6A8EE1923C@MarcPC>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
	<8D72EF00B7354B9E852A7B6A8EE1923C@MarcPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinO9rh2p3osxDrLBv6GNn096JqGf_v5UZKqK8Nk@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/16/10, Marc Workman <mworkman.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joe,
>
> I don't have answers to all your questions, but I think I can offer some
> helpful comments on a few of them.  I've never even held an iPod Touch, but
> I've been a user of the iPhone since early July 2009.
>
> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD for
> music and such?
>
> As of today, my apps take up 3.3 Gb of space on my 16 Gb iPhone.  I could
> reduce this if I really wanted to; there are quite a few apps that I never
> use, but I'm not in desperate need of space right now.  Rather than putting
> on 10 Gb of music, only a tiny fraction of which you will ever listen to, I
> tend to only sync playlists.  This frees up more room for apps.  There is
> currently no way to expand memory through a micro SD card, though something
> could always be introduced in a future incarnation of the iPod Touch, which
> doesn't really help you if you want to get one sooner rather than later.
>
> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>
> I don't really know enough about exchange accounts.  If you are willing to
> pay the approximately $100 per year subscription for Apple's MobileMe, then
> syncing mail, calendar appointments, notes, and contacts is supposed to be
> very easy across PCs, Macs, and portable devices.  I haven't signed up for
> this service yet, but I'm planning to.  One set of productivity apps that is
> not available on iPhone/iPod, but which is available on the iPad, is the
> iWork suite.  This includes Pages, the Word equivalent, Numbers, the Excel
> equivalent, and Keynote, the Powerpoint equivalent.  However, many have been
> asking Apple to bring out iPhone/Ipod versions, so who knows.  There are
> apps that will allow you to create text documents and have them uploaded
> directly to Dropbox, which can be very useful.  As far as I can tell, most
> apps are available on both devices, except in cases where the iPhone has
> some feature needed to efficiently run the app, see response to question 5.
>
> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
> touch typing, gestures and such?
>
> Simply in terms of learning the basics, I think Apple's voiceover guide is
> sufficient.  It really doesn't go much beyond the basics, but it gives
> enough info to learn the various gestures.  There is also a place in
> Settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover where you can practice the
> gestures, something like keyboard help.  If you search for Apple Vis, you
> can find a useful site with tutorials, reviews, and so on.  I'm on the
> Googlegroups list, which can be very useful, but also gets a huge amount of
> totally useless traffic.  Anytime I have a question about something, I find
> it helpful to go to the Googlegroups viphone site and do a search through
> the archives.  So you don't actually have to sign up to the list and receive
> the 100 messages a day in order to take advantage of the collective
> knowledge.
>
> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>
> This seems to me unlikely because GPS only makes sense on a device that can
> make use of cellular signals.  The Touch only uses wifi.  If we got to a
> time when most major cities had free wifi throughout the entire city, then
> GPS might make sense, but right now, I don't think GPS is coming to the
> Touch.
>
> There is one final point I will make that I can speak to only because I've
> had the device for so long.  With every major update, there have been
> significant improvements to voiceover.  For me, this is very important.
> Voiceover is clearly not just an add on.  It's an aspect of the operating
> system that they are intent on improving.  I'm sure it's not a top priority,
> but I've been very impressed with how much voiceover has improved since I
> first got the phone.  And of course I haven't had to pay anything for those
> upgrades.
>
> I hope that is helpful.
>
> Best,
>
> Marc
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
> <nabs at acb.org>; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:01 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
>
>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not willing
>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an
>> iPod
>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>
>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given
>> they're
>> both on a CDMA network?
>>
>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD
>> for
>> music and such?
>>
>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>
>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>
>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>>
>> and finally,
>>
>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google Voice
>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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-- 
Julie McG
 Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
Eyes for the Blind

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16


From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 19:30:44 2010
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:30:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinO9rh2p3osxDrLBv6GNn096JqGf_v5UZKqK8Nk@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
	<8D72EF00B7354B9E852A7B6A8EE1923C@MarcPC>
	<AANLkTinO9rh2p3osxDrLBv6GNn096JqGf_v5UZKqK8Nk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim-4LG-DMPSsZp2Hc4tTxYkgmtFCDZKF61rdMUt@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry about that.  I pressed send instead of "back to inbox".

On 12/16/10, Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 12/16/10, Marc Workman <mworkman.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joe,
>>
>> I don't have answers to all your questions, but I think I can offer some
>> helpful comments on a few of them.  I've never even held an iPod Touch,
>> but
>> I've been a user of the iPhone since early July 2009.
>>
>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD
>> for
>> music and such?
>>
>> As of today, my apps take up 3.3 Gb of space on my 16 Gb iPhone.  I could
>> reduce this if I really wanted to; there are quite a few apps that I
>> never
>> use, but I'm not in desperate need of space right now.  Rather than
>> putting
>> on 10 Gb of music, only a tiny fraction of which you will ever listen to,
>> I
>> tend to only sync playlists.  This frees up more room for apps.  There is
>> currently no way to expand memory through a micro SD card, though
>> something
>> could always be introduced in a future incarnation of the iPod Touch,
>> which
>> doesn't really help you if you want to get one sooner rather than later.
>>
>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail
>> be
>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for
>> the
>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>
>> I don't really know enough about exchange accounts.  If you are willing
>> to
>> pay the approximately $100 per year subscription for Apple's MobileMe,
>> then
>> syncing mail, calendar appointments, notes, and contacts is supposed to
>> be
>> very easy across PCs, Macs, and portable devices.  I haven't signed up
>> for
>> this service yet, but I'm planning to.  One set of productivity apps that
>> is
>> not available on iPhone/iPod, but which is available on the iPad, is the
>> iWork suite.  This includes Pages, the Word equivalent, Numbers, the
>> Excel
>> equivalent, and Keynote, the Powerpoint equivalent.  However, many have
>> been
>> asking Apple to bring out iPhone/Ipod versions, so who knows.  There are
>> apps that will allow you to create text documents and have them uploaded
>> directly to Dropbox, which can be very useful.  As far as I can tell,
>> most
>> apps are available on both devices, except in cases where the iPhone has
>> some feature needed to efficiently run the app, see response to question
>> 5.
>>
>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>
>> Simply in terms of learning the basics, I think Apple's voiceover guide
>> is
>> sufficient.  It really doesn't go much beyond the basics, but it gives
>> enough info to learn the various gestures.  There is also a place in
>> Settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover where you can practice the
>> gestures, something like keyboard help.  If you search for Apple Vis, you
>> can find a useful site with tutorials, reviews, and so on.  I'm on the
>> Googlegroups list, which can be very useful, but also gets a huge amount
>> of
>> totally useless traffic.  Anytime I have a question about something, I
>> find
>> it helpful to go to the Googlegroups viphone site and do a search through
>> the archives.  So you don't actually have to sign up to the list and
>> receive
>> the 100 messages a day in order to take advantage of the collective
>> knowledge.
>>
>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>>
>> This seems to me unlikely because GPS only makes sense on a device that
>> can
>> make use of cellular signals.  The Touch only uses wifi.  If we got to a
>> time when most major cities had free wifi throughout the entire city,
>> then
>> GPS might make sense, but right now, I don't think GPS is coming to the
>> Touch.
>>
>> There is one final point I will make that I can speak to only because
>> I've
>> had the device for so long.  With every major update, there have been
>> significant improvements to voiceover.  For me, this is very important.
>> Voiceover is clearly not just an add on.  It's an aspect of the operating
>> system that they are intent on improving.  I'm sure it's not a top
>> priority,
>> but I've been very impressed with how much voiceover has improved since I
>> first got the phone.  And of course I haven't had to pay anything for
>> those
>> upgrades.
>>
>> I hope that is helpful.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Marc
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'"
>> <nabs at acb.org>; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:01 AM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>>
>>
>>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not
>>> willing
>>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy
>>> an
>>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an
>>> iPod
>>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>>
>>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
>>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given
>>> they're
>>> both on a CDMA network?
>>>
>>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
>>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD
>>> for
>>> music and such?
>>>
>>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail
>>> be
>>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
>>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for
>>> the
>>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>>
>>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course
>>> on
>>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>>
>>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the
>>> iPod?
>>>
>>> and finally,
>>>
>>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google
>>> Voice
>>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Julie McG
>  Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
> Eyes for the Blind
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
> life."
> John 3:16
>


-- 
Julie McG
 Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
Eyes for the Blind

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16


From cowboy0210 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 20:25:08 2010
From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (Kevin Ledford)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:25:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Tragic Accident at Colorado Center for the Blind
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJoYHWuSu1x=w0K2kFjjUAmtmeJPfu12CniuY8@mail.gmail.com>

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all! Just wanted to let everyone that
three CCB students were involved in an automobile accident this morning in
Littleton, CO while waiting on a bus. One male student was unfortunately
killed and two female students were seriously injured. This has been a
difficult year for not only the center with the passing of Ray McGeorge but
also for the affiliate. Please keep them in your prayers. Thank you very
much!

-- 
Best Regards,

Kevin D. Ledford


"Do not let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do."

- John Wooden

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Dec 17 20:45:54 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 13:45:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] tragic news
Message-ID: <0516B5B1A92A4A399DD49BCB55F87E77@labarre>

Greetings, the below release describes an extremely tragic event which took place in our community today.  We appreciate your thoughts and  prayers as we go forward.  This story has been all over the local news and bloggers have already been making many ridiculous statements about the blind.  

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND EXPRESSES GREAT SORROW 

AFTER TRAGIC ACCIDENT

 

December 17, 2010     Littleton, Colorado

Contact:  Julie Deden, Executive Director, 303 653-5987

 

Early this morning, three students of the Colorado Center for the Blind were waiting at a Regional Transportation District bus stop at the Southeast corner of West Mineral Avenue and South Utica Drive in Littleton when a driver, headed north on Utica, lost control of her car as she was turning east onto Mineral and then hit the three students, one man and two women.  Emergency personnel rushed the three to Littleton Hospital.  The man later died due to massive injuries.  The women are in stable condition and being treated.  The Colorado Center for the Blind is not at liberty to release the names of the students or further personal information at this time while family members and loved ones are being contacted.  

 

"The students and staff of the CCB are in great shock and grieving," says Julie Deden, Executive Director of the CCB.  "Our love, prayers, and tremendous sorrow go out to the family and friends of the student we have lost and we are praying hard for the two women still in the hospital," continued Deden.  "At the Center, we are first and foremost a family and we will love and support one another through this great tragedy which has struck us at a time of year normally reserved for joy and celebration," reflected Deden.

 

The three students were on their way to the Center for its annual holiday party immediately prior to a winter break.  The CCB has requested assistance from Littleton city officials, and grief counselors are present at the Center to help staff and students address this tremendous tragedy.  "We will do whatever is necessary to help our family through this difficult time," said Diane McGeorge, Chairperson of the CCB's Board of Directors and herself a former Executive Director of the Center.

 

According to the Littleton Police, icy road conditions played a significant role in today's accident.  "Our students' blindness had absolutely nothing to do with the accident," said McGeorge.  "Our entire community is reeling from this terrible incident," said Scott LaBarre, President of the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado, the Center's chief sponsor.  "These students were simply waiting for their bus like hundreds of thousands of other metro commuters on their way to work or school.  The breadth and scope of this tragedy cannot be expressed in words," commented LaBarre.

 

For more information about the CCB, go to www.cocenter.org or call 303 778-1130.  The Center has been offering independence training to blind youth, adults, and seniors since 1988.   

 

 

   

  
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 21:07:33 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:07:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
Message-ID: <4782A932-45E5-4E7A-9FE8-EBDD38272CF1@gmail.com>

Hello,
I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy store and try the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with them.
Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a CDMA network that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible that will be. It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see. In any case I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to Sprint within the next three or four months.
An option which you might want to consider given that you are a Sprint customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case which is actually a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications which store maps in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are generally somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much memory you need depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how many movies, podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and web browsing on iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution available on mobile devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange accounts work great on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many newspapers have applications that you can download in order to read them. These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster way to access a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my phone. It's fast, and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most airlines have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random people if I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod touch. This is very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with the same exact keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no better way than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
Good luck!

Ignasi
On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:

> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not willing
> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an iPod
> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
> 
> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given they're
> both on a CDMA network?
> 
> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD for
> music and such?
> 
> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
> 
> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
> touch typing, gestures and such?
> 
> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
> 
> and finally,
> 
> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google Voice
> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
> 
> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
> 
> Joe
> 
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Fri Dec 17 21:50:42 2010
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:50:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [Colorado-talk] tragic news
References: <0516B5B1A92A4A399DD49BCB55F87E77@labarre>
Message-ID: <6E7FBEA9C83D4E32964B2C9659C9E286@melissa>

ember of the colorado affilliate.
My prayers, and thoughts are with the students, staff, and the afilliate. 
This is a hard and sad day for us in colorado.
Blessings!
Melissa Green
If you look to others for fulfillment, you will never truly be fulfilled. If 
your happiness depends on money, you will never be happy with yourself. Be 
content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize 
there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.


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Subject: [Colorado-talk] tragic news


Greetings, the below release describes an extremely tragic event which took 
place in our community today.  We appreciate your thoughts and  prayers as 
we go forward.  This story has been all over the local news and bloggers 
have already been making many ridiculous statements about the blind.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND EXPRESSES GREAT SORROW

AFTER TRAGIC ACCIDENT



December 17, 2010     Littleton, Colorado

Contact:  Julie Deden, Executive Director, 303 653-5987



Early this morning, three students of the Colorado Center for the Blind were 
waiting at a Regional Transportation District bus stop at the Southeast 
corner of West Mineral Avenue and South Utica Drive in Littleton when a 
driver, headed north on Utica, lost control of her car as she was turning 
east onto Mineral and then hit the three students, one man and two women. 
Emergency personnel rushed the three to Littleton Hospital.  The man later 
died due to massive injuries.  The women are in stable condition and being 
treated.  The Colorado Center for the Blind is not at liberty to release the 
names of the students or further personal information at this time while 
family members and loved ones are being contacted.



"The students and staff of the CCB are in great shock and grieving," says 
Julie Deden, Executive Director of the CCB.  "Our love, prayers, and 
tremendous sorrow go out to the family and friends of the student we have 
lost and we are praying hard for the two women still in the hospital," 
continued Deden.  "At the Center, we are first and foremost a family and we 
will love and support one another through this great tragedy which has 
struck us at a time of year normally reserved for joy and celebration," 
reflected Deden.



The three students were on their way to the Center for its annual holiday 
party immediately prior to a winter break.  The CCB has requested assistance 
from Littleton city officials, and grief counselors are present at the 
Center to help staff and students address this tremendous tragedy.  "We will 
do whatever is necessary to help our family through this difficult time," 
said Diane McGeorge, Chairperson of the CCB's Board of Directors and herself 
a former Executive Director of the Center.



According to the Littleton Police, icy road conditions played a significant 
role in today's accident.  "Our students' blindness had absolutely nothing 
to do with the accident," said McGeorge.  "Our entire community is reeling 
from this terrible incident," said Scott LaBarre, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind of Colorado, the Center's chief sponsor.  "These 
students were simply waiting for their bus like hundreds of thousands of 
other metro commuters on their way to work or school.  The breadth and scope 
of this tragedy cannot be expressed in words," commented LaBarre.



For more information about the CCB, go to www.cocenter.org or call 303 
778-1130.  The Center has been offering independence training to blind 
youth, adults, and seniors since 1988.








Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
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Denver, Colorado 80222
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 17 22:29:10 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:29:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
	<4782A932-45E5-4E7A-9FE8-EBDD38272CF1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Ignasi,
I found your email very helpful and informative.  I have decided to wait a 
little while to purchase an IPhone until Verizon brings their IPhone to 
market in January if that comes to pass.  I was not sure what you meant in 
your message about iOS.  You said that email and web browsing on iOS are by 
far the very best.  What is iOS?  By iOS are you referencing either the 
IPhone or the IPad Touch?  Sorry for the basic terminology question, but I 
am new to this type of technology.  Thanks for your assistance.
Warmest regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch


> Hello,
> I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy store and try 
> the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know 
> Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with 
> them.
> Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a CDMA network 
> that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible that will be. 
> It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a 
> reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon 
> iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see. In any case 
> I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to Sprint within 
> the next three or four months.
> An option which you might want to consider given that you are a Sprint 
> customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they 
> basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case which is actually 
> a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
> Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications which store maps 
> in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are generally 
> somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much memory you need 
> depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how many movies, 
> podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
> I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and web browsing on 
> iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution available on mobile 
> devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange accounts work great 
> on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many 
> newspapers have applications that you can download in order to read them. 
> These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster way to access 
> a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my phone. It's fast, 
> and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
> Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most airlines 
> have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if 
> anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random people if 
> I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
> You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod touch. This is 
> very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of 
> texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with the same exact 
> keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
> Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no better way 
> than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
> Good luck!
>
> Ignasi
> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>
>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not 
>> willing
>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an 
>> iPod
>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>
>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given 
>> they're
>> both on a CDMA network?
>>
>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD 
>> for
>> music and such?
>>
>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail 
>> be
>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for 
>> the
>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>
>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>
>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>>
>> and finally,
>>
>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google 
>> Voice
>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their 
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 23:21:30 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:21:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus><4782A932-45E5-4E7A-9FE8-EBDD38272CF1@gmail.com>
	<784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <76B67ADF4B0C45828F4BB6EADE1F5870@Rufus>

Not Ignasi, but iOS is simply the platform on which all i products run.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch

Hello Ignasi,
I found your email very helpful and informative.  I have 
decided to wait a 
little while to purchase an IPhone until Verizon brings their IPhone to 
market in January if that comes to pass.  I was not sure what 
you meant in 
your message about iOS.  You said that email and web browsing 
on iOS are by 
far the very best.  What is iOS?  By iOS are you referencing either the 
IPhone or the IPad Touch?  Sorry for the basic terminology 
question, but I 
am new to this type of technology.  Thanks for your assistance.
Warmest regards,
Dennis
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind 
Students mailing 
list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch


> Hello,
> I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy 
store and try 
> the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know 
> Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with 
> them.
> Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a 
CDMA network 
> that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible 
that will be. 
> It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a 
> reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon 
> iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see. 
In any case 
> I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to 
Sprint within 
> the next three or four months.
> An option which you might want to consider given that you are 
a Sprint 
> customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they 
> basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case 
which is actually 
> a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
> Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications 
which store maps 
> in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are 
generally 
> somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much 
memory you need 
> depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how 
many movies, 
> podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
> I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and 
web browsing on 
> iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution 
available on mobile 
> devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange 
accounts work great 
> on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many 
> newspapers have applications that you can download in order 
to read them. 
> These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster 
way to access 
> a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my 
phone. It's fast, 
> and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
> Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most 
airlines 
> have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if 
> anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random 
people if 
> I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
> You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod 
touch. This is 
> very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of 
> texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with 
the same exact 
> keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
> Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no 
better way 
> than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
> Good luck!
>
> Ignasi
> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>
>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not 
>> willing
>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so 
unless I buy an
>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of 
picking up an 
>> iPod
>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>
>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the 
iPhone as it is
>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given 
>> they're
>> both on a CDMA network?
>>
>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many 
gigs are you
>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory 
through micro SD 
>> for
>> music and such?
>>
>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  
Can e-mail 
>> be
>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient 
number of
>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps 
built for 
>> the
>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>
>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a 
crash course on
>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>
>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion 
in the iPod?
>>
>> and finally,
>>
>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google 
>> Voice
>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their 
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 17 23:30:38 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:30:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus><4782A932-45E5-4E7A-9FE8-EBDD38272CF1@gmail.com><784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server>
	<76B67ADF4B0C45828F4BB6EADE1F5870@Rufus>
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Hi Joe,
I thought that's what Inasi meant but I wanted to make certain.  I think I 
remember that you compared some apple products a number of months ago and 
posted your thoughts to the list.  Did you ultimately decide to buy one of 
the Apple products?  If so, has it worked out well for you?  I look forward 
to hearing from you.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch


> Not Ignasi, but iOS is simply the platform on which all i products run.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:29 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
> Hello Ignasi,
> I found your email very helpful and informative.  I have
> decided to wait a
> little while to purchase an IPhone until Verizon brings their IPhone to
> market in January if that comes to pass.  I was not sure what
> you meant in
> your message about iOS.  You said that email and web browsing
> on iOS are by
> far the very best.  What is iOS?  By iOS are you referencing either the
> IPhone or the IPad Touch?  Sorry for the basic terminology
> question, but I
> am new to this type of technology.  Thanks for your assistance.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
>
>> Hello,
>> I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy
> store and try
>> the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know
>> Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with
>> them.
>> Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a
> CDMA network
>> that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible
> that will be.
>> It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a
>> reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon
>> iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see.
> In any case
>> I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to
> Sprint within
>> the next three or four months.
>> An option which you might want to consider given that you are
> a Sprint
>> customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they
>> basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case
> which is actually
>> a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
>> Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications
> which store maps
>> in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are
> generally
>> somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much
> memory you need
>> depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how
> many movies,
>> podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
>> I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and
> web browsing on
>> iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution
> available on mobile
>> devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange
> accounts work great
>> on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many
>> newspapers have applications that you can download in order
> to read them.
>> These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster
> way to access
>> a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my
> phone. It's fast,
>> and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
>> Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most
> airlines
>> have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if
>> anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random
> people if
>> I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
>> You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod
> touch. This is
>> very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of
>> texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with
> the same exact
>> keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
>> Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no
> better way
>> than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Ignasi
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not
>>> willing
>>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so
> unless I buy an
>>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of
> picking up an
>>> iPod
>>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>>
>>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the
> iPhone as it is
>>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given
>>> they're
>>> both on a CDMA network?
>>>
>>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many
> gigs are you
>>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory
> through micro SD
>>> for
>>> music and such?
>>>
>>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?
> Can e-mail
>>> be
>>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient
> number of
>>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps
> built for
>>> the
>>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>>
>>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a
> crash course on
>>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>>
>>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion
> in the iPod?
>>>
>>> and finally,
>>>
>>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google
>>> Voice
>>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 23:54:27 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:54:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
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I'm still researching.  If you go to Amazon.com and enter iPod Touch, click
on the 32 GB 4th generation product.  You'll find a really excellent review
that speaks not only of the iPod but of the iOS capacity in general.  Unless
something's changed, it's the first customer review.  Something over 2,000
customers found it helpful, and I certainly count myself among them.  The
guy gives this specific product 5 out of 5.  If you can't find it, I'll look
it up and send the link.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis Clark [mailto:dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:31 PM
To: jsorozco at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch

Hi Joe,
I thought that's what Inasi meant but I wanted to make certain. 
 I think I 
remember that you compared some apple products a number of 
months ago and 
posted your thoughts to the list.  Did you ultimately decide to 
buy one of 
the Apple products?  If so, has it worked out well for you?  I 
look forward 
to hearing from you.
Best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch


> Not Ignasi, but iOS is simply the platform on which all i 
products run.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up 
their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:29 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
> Hello Ignasi,
> I found your email very helpful and informative.  I have
> decided to wait a
> little while to purchase an IPhone until Verizon brings their 
IPhone to
> market in January if that comes to pass.  I was not sure what
> you meant in
> your message about iOS.  You said that email and web browsing
> on iOS are by
> far the very best.  What is iOS?  By iOS are you referencing 
either the
> IPhone or the IPad Touch?  Sorry for the basic terminology
> question, but I
> am new to this type of technology.  Thanks for your assistance.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
>
>> Hello,
>> I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy
> store and try
>> the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know
>> Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with
>> them.
>> Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a
> CDMA network
>> that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible
> that will be.
>> It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a
>> reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon
>> iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see.
> In any case
>> I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to
> Sprint within
>> the next three or four months.
>> An option which you might want to consider given that you are
> a Sprint
>> customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they
>> basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case
> which is actually
>> a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
>> Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications
> which store maps
>> in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are
> generally
>> somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much
> memory you need
>> depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how
> many movies,
>> podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
>> I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and
> web browsing on
>> iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution
> available on mobile
>> devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange
> accounts work great
>> on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many
>> newspapers have applications that you can download in order
> to read them.
>> These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster
> way to access
>> a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my
> phone. It's fast,
>> and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
>> Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most
> airlines
>> have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if
>> anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random
> people if
>> I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
>> You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod
> touch. This is
>> very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of
>> texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with
> the same exact
>> keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
>> Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no
> better way
>> than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Ignasi
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not
>>> willing
>>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so
> unless I buy an
>>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of
> picking up an
>>> iPod
>>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>>
>>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the
> iPhone as it is
>>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given
>>> they're
>>> both on a CDMA network?
>>>
>>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many
> gigs are you
>>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory
> through micro SD
>>> for
>>> music and such?
>>>
>>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?
> Can e-mail
>>> be
>>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient
> number of
>>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps
> built for
>>> the
>>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>>
>>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a
> crash course on
>>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>>
>>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion
> in the iPod?
>>>
>>> and finally,
>>>
>>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google
>>> Voice
>>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 18 00:09:40 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:09:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus><4782A932-45E5-4E7A-9FE8-EBDD38272CF1@gmail.com><784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server><76B67ADF4B0C45828F4BB6EADE1F5870@Rufus><881401cb9e42$6a368860$6601a8c0@server>
	<DC2E62280F3A40E3B10BD23D1C076893@Rufus>
Message-ID: <882201cb9e47$de1b7880$6601a8c0@server>

Hi Joe,
I appreciate the lead and I will check it out.
Best,
Dennis


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch


> I'm still researching.  If you go to Amazon.com and enter iPod Touch, 
> click
> on the 32 GB 4th generation product.  You'll find a really excellent 
> review
> that speaks not only of the iPod but of the iOS capacity in general. 
> Unless
> something's changed, it's the first customer review.  Something over 2,000
> customers found it helpful, and I certainly count myself among them.  The
> guy gives this specific product 5 out of 5.  If you can't find it, I'll 
> look
> it up and send the link.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis Clark [mailto:dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 6:31 PM
> To: jsorozco at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
> Hi Joe,
> I thought that's what Inasi meant but I wanted to make certain.
> I think I
> remember that you compared some apple products a number of
> months ago and
> posted your thoughts to the list.  Did you ultimately decide to
> buy one of
> the Apple products?  If so, has it worked out well for you?  I
> look forward
> to hearing from you.
> Best,
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>
>
>> Not Ignasi, but iOS is simply the platform on which all i
> products run.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up
> their sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Clark
>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 5:29 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>>
>> Hello Ignasi,
>> I found your email very helpful and informative.  I have
>> decided to wait a
>> little while to purchase an IPhone until Verizon brings their
> IPhone to
>> market in January if that comes to pass.  I was not sure what
>> you meant in
>> your message about iOS.  You said that email and web browsing
>> on iOS are by
>> far the very best.  What is iOS?  By iOS are you referencing
> either the
>> IPhone or the IPad Touch?  Sorry for the basic terminology
>> question, but I
>> am new to this type of technology.  Thanks for your assistance.
>> Warmest regards,
>> Dennis
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing
>> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy
>> store and try
>>> the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know
>>> Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with
>>> them.
>>> Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a
>> CDMA network
>>> that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible
>> that will be.
>>> It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a
>>> reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon
>>> iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see.
>> In any case
>>> I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to
>> Sprint within
>>> the next three or four months.
>>> An option which you might want to consider given that you are
>> a Sprint
>>> customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they
>>> basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case
>> which is actually
>>> a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
>>> Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications
>> which store maps
>>> in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are
>> generally
>>> somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much
>> memory you need
>>> depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how
>> many movies,
>>> podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
>>> I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and
>> web browsing on
>>> iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution
>> available on mobile
>>> devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange
>> accounts work great
>>> on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many
>>> newspapers have applications that you can download in order
>> to read them.
>>> These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster
>> way to access
>>> a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my
>> phone. It's fast,
>>> and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
>>> Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most
>> airlines
>>> have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if
>>> anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random
>> people if
>>> I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
>>> You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod
>> touch. This is
>>> very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of
>>> texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with
>> the same exact
>>> keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
>>> Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no
>> better way
>>> than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Ignasi
>>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not
>>>> willing
>>>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so
>> unless I buy an
>>>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of
>> picking up an
>>>> iPod
>>>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the
>> iPhone as it is
>>>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given
>>>> they're
>>>> both on a CDMA network?
>>>>
>>>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many
>> gigs are you
>>>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory
>> through micro SD
>>>> for
>>>> music and such?
>>>>
>>>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?
>> Can e-mail
>>>> be
>>>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient
>> number of
>>>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps
>> built for
>>>> the
>>>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>>>
>>>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a
>> crash course on
>>>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>>>
>>>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion
>> in the iPod?
>>>>
>>>> and finally,
>>>>
>>>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google
>>>> Voice
>>>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
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>>>
>>>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 00:34:39 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:34:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [Colorado-talk] tragic news
In-Reply-To: <6E7FBEA9C83D4E32964B2C9659C9E286@melissa>
References: <0516B5B1A92A4A399DD49BCB55F87E77@labarre>
	<6E7FBEA9C83D4E32964B2C9659C9E286@melissa>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1SM1PgTqtbpK89MuKsynL0yZE5kRscBM=X9R4@mail.gmail.com>

I knew the guy that died.  He was a great musician, and he was one of
everygbody's good friends.  I'm ok, o course.  But thanks all of us
for the condolences.
Beth

On 12/17/10, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
> ember of the colorado affilliate.
> My prayers, and thoughts are with the students, staff, and the afilliate.
> This is a hard and sad day for us in colorado.
> Blessings!
> Melissa Green
> If you look to others for fulfillment, you will never truly be fulfilled. If
> your happiness depends on money, you will never be happy with yourself. Be
> content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you realize
> there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
> To: "NFB of Colorado Discussion List" <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>; "National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB
> Affiliate Presidents List" <nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org>; "NFB Chapter
> Presidents discussion list" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:45 PM
> Subject: [Colorado-talk] tragic news
>
>
> Greetings, the below release describes an extremely tragic event which took
> place in our community today.  We appreciate your thoughts and  prayers as
> we go forward.  This story has been all over the local news and bloggers
> have already been making many ridiculous statements about the blind.
>
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>
> COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND EXPRESSES GREAT SORROW
>
> AFTER TRAGIC ACCIDENT
>
>
>
> December 17, 2010     Littleton, Colorado
>
> Contact:  Julie Deden, Executive Director, 303 653-5987
>
>
>
> Early this morning, three students of the Colorado Center for the Blind were
> waiting at a Regional Transportation District bus stop at the Southeast
> corner of West Mineral Avenue and South Utica Drive in Littleton when a
> driver, headed north on Utica, lost control of her car as she was turning
> east onto Mineral and then hit the three students, one man and two women.
> Emergency personnel rushed the three to Littleton Hospital.  The man later
> died due to massive injuries.  The women are in stable condition and being
> treated.  The Colorado Center for the Blind is not at liberty to release the
> names of the students or further personal information at this time while
> family members and loved ones are being contacted.
>
>
>
> "The students and staff of the CCB are in great shock and grieving," says
> Julie Deden, Executive Director of the CCB.  "Our love, prayers, and
> tremendous sorrow go out to the family and friends of the student we have
> lost and we are praying hard for the two women still in the hospital,"
> continued Deden.  "At the Center, we are first and foremost a family and we
> will love and support one another through this great tragedy which has
> struck us at a time of year normally reserved for joy and celebration,"
> reflected Deden.
>
>
>
> The three students were on their way to the Center for its annual holiday
> party immediately prior to a winter break.  The CCB has requested assistance
> from Littleton city officials, and grief counselors are present at the
> Center to help staff and students address this tremendous tragedy.  "We will
> do whatever is necessary to help our family through this difficult time,"
> said Diane McGeorge, Chairperson of the CCB's Board of Directors and herself
> a former Executive Director of the Center.
>
>
>
> According to the Littleton Police, icy road conditions played a significant
> role in today's accident.  "Our students' blindness had absolutely nothing
> to do with the accident," said McGeorge.  "Our entire community is reeling
> from this terrible incident," said Scott LaBarre, President of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Colorado, the Center's chief sponsor.  "These
> students were simply waiting for their bus like hundreds of thousands of
> other metro commuters on their way to work or school.  The breadth and scope
> of this tragedy cannot be expressed in words," commented LaBarre.
>
>
>
> For more information about the CCB, go to www.cocenter.org or call 303
> 778-1130.  The Center has been offering independence training to blind
> youth, adults, and seniors since 1988.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>
> LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
> 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
> Denver, Colorado 80222
> 303 504-5979 (voice)
> 303 757-3640 (fax)
> slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
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From albert.k.yoo at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 02:26:53 2010
From: albert.k.yoo at gmail.com (Albert Yoo)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 21:26:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Colorado-talk] tragic news
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 Sad time in Colorado soory for the family's loss. not too much you can say
about a death in the colorado center family and the national federation of
the blind of Colorado keep your spirits up

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:

> I knew the guy that died.  He was a great musician, and he was one of
> everygbody's good friends.  I'm ok, o course.  But thanks all of us
> for the condolences.
> Beth
>
> On 12/17/10, Melissa Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
> > ember of the colorado affilliate.
> > My prayers, and thoughts are with the students, staff, and the afilliate.
> > This is a hard and sad day for us in colorado.
> > Blessings!
> > Melissa Green
> > If you look to others for fulfillment, you will never truly be fulfilled.
> If
> > your happiness depends on money, you will never be happy with yourself.
> Be
> > content with what you have; rejoice in the way things are. When you
> realize
> > there is nothing lacking, the whole world belongs to you.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
> > To: "NFB of Colorado Discussion List" <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>;
> "National
> > Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB
> > Affiliate Presidents List" <nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org>; "NFB
> Chapter
> > Presidents discussion list" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:45 PM
> > Subject: [Colorado-talk] tragic news
> >
> >
> > Greetings, the below release describes an extremely tragic event which
> took
> > place in our community today.  We appreciate your thoughts and  prayers
> as
> > we go forward.  This story has been all over the local news and bloggers
> > have already been making many ridiculous statements about the blind.
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
> > COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND EXPRESSES GREAT SORROW
> >
> > AFTER TRAGIC ACCIDENT
> >
> >
> >
> > December 17, 2010     Littleton, Colorado
> >
> > Contact:  Julie Deden, Executive Director, 303 653-5987
> >
> >
> >
> > Early this morning, three students of the Colorado Center for the Blind
> were
> > waiting at a Regional Transportation District bus stop at the Southeast
> > corner of West Mineral Avenue and South Utica Drive in Littleton when a
> > driver, headed north on Utica, lost control of her car as she was turning
> > east onto Mineral and then hit the three students, one man and two women.
> > Emergency personnel rushed the three to Littleton Hospital.  The man
> later
> > died due to massive injuries.  The women are in stable condition and
> being
> > treated.  The Colorado Center for the Blind is not at liberty to release
> the
> > names of the students or further personal information at this time while
> > family members and loved ones are being contacted.
> >
> >
> >
> > "The students and staff of the CCB are in great shock and grieving," says
> > Julie Deden, Executive Director of the CCB.  "Our love, prayers, and
> > tremendous sorrow go out to the family and friends of the student we have
> > lost and we are praying hard for the two women still in the hospital,"
> > continued Deden.  "At the Center, we are first and foremost a family and
> we
> > will love and support one another through this great tragedy which has
> > struck us at a time of year normally reserved for joy and celebration,"
> > reflected Deden.
> >
> >
> >
> > The three students were on their way to the Center for its annual holiday
> > party immediately prior to a winter break.  The CCB has requested
> assistance
> > from Littleton city officials, and grief counselors are present at the
> > Center to help staff and students address this tremendous tragedy.  "We
> will
> > do whatever is necessary to help our family through this difficult time,"
> > said Diane McGeorge, Chairperson of the CCB's Board of Directors and
> herself
> > a former Executive Director of the Center.
> >
> >
> >
> > According to the Littleton Police, icy road conditions played a
> significant
> > role in today's accident.  "Our students' blindness had absolutely
> nothing
> > to do with the accident," said McGeorge.  "Our entire community is
> reeling
> > from this terrible incident," said Scott LaBarre, President of the
> National
> > Federation of the Blind of Colorado, the Center's chief sponsor.  "These
> > students were simply waiting for their bus like hundreds of thousands of
> > other metro commuters on their way to work or school.  The breadth and
> scope
> > of this tragedy cannot be expressed in words," commented LaBarre.
> >
> >
> >
> > For more information about the CCB, go to www.cocenter.org or call 303
> > 778-1130.  The Center has been offering independence training to blind
> > youth, adults, and seniors since 1988.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
> >
> > LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
> > 1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
> > Denver, Colorado 80222
> > 303 504-5979 (voice)
> > 303 757-3640 (fax)
> > slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
> > www.labarrelaw.com (website)
> >
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From marty.rahn at juno.com  Sat Dec 18 05:55:20 2010
From: marty.rahn at juno.com (Marty Rahn)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:55:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [Colorado-talk] tragic news
References: <0516B5B1A92A4A399DD49BCB55F87E77@labarre>
Message-ID: <11340A2CE5D44F2B982F1681758FE8DB@HP11051113631>

Hi Everyone,
I too would like to express my condolences to the families of the three 
students involved in this accident.  As a member of the Colorado afiliate, 
and a graduate of the CCB, I am deeply saddened by this tragedy, as are many 
others.  My thoughts and prayers are with all of those at the CCB.
Respectfully,
Marty Rahn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: "NFB of Colorado Discussion List" <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>; "National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB 
Affiliate Presidents List" <nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org>; "NFB Chapter 
Presidents discussion list" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: [Colorado-talk] tragic news


Greetings, the below release describes an extremely tragic event which took 
place in our community today.  We appreciate your thoughts and  prayers as 
we go forward.  This story has been all over the local news and bloggers 
have already been making many ridiculous statements about the blind.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND EXPRESSES GREAT SORROW

AFTER TRAGIC ACCIDENT



December 17, 2010     Littleton, Colorado

Contact:  Julie Deden, Executive Director, 303 653-5987



Early this morning, three students of the Colorado Center for the Blind were 
waiting at a Regional Transportation District bus stop at the Southeast 
corner of West Mineral Avenue and South Utica Drive in Littleton when a 
driver, headed north on Utica, lost control of her car as she was turning 
east onto Mineral and then hit the three students, one man and two women. 
Emergency personnel rushed the three to Littleton Hospital.  The man later 
died due to massive injuries.  The women are in stable condition and being 
treated.  The Colorado Center for the Blind is not at liberty to release the 
names of the students or further personal information at this time while 
family members and loved ones are being contacted.



"The students and staff of the CCB are in great shock and grieving," says 
Julie Deden, Executive Director of the CCB.  "Our love, prayers, and 
tremendous sorrow go out to the family and friends of the student we have 
lost and we are praying hard for the two women still in the hospital," 
continued Deden.  "At the Center, we are first and foremost a family and we 
will love and support one another through this great tragedy which has 
struck us at a time of year normally reserved for joy and celebration," 
reflected Deden.



The three students were on their way to the Center for its annual holiday 
party immediately prior to a winter break.  The CCB has requested assistance 
from Littleton city officials, and grief counselors are present at the 
Center to help staff and students address this tremendous tragedy.  "We will 
do whatever is necessary to help our family through this difficult time," 
said Diane McGeorge, Chairperson of the CCB's Board of Directors and herself 
a former Executive Director of the Center.



According to the Littleton Police, icy road conditions played a significant 
role in today's accident.  "Our students' blindness had absolutely nothing 
to do with the accident," said McGeorge.  "Our entire community is reeling 
from this terrible incident," said Scott LaBarre, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind of Colorado, the Center's chief sponsor.  "These 
students were simply waiting for their bus like hundreds of thousands of 
other metro commuters on their way to work or school.  The breadth and scope 
of this tragedy cannot be expressed in words," commented LaBarre.



For more information about the CCB, go to www.cocenter.org or call 303 
778-1130.  The Center has been offering independence training to blind 
youth, adults, and seniors since 1988.








Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 07:22:07 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 02:22:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server>
References: <AB902F044FAD41C491FE14F4CC2FD1FB@Rufus>
	<4782A932-45E5-4E7A-9FE8-EBDD38272CF1@gmail.com>
	<784a01cb9e39$d3a8a340$6601a8c0@server>
Message-ID: <66010815-7600-4359-922F-7FB44CED3AEE@gmail.com>

iOS is the operating system that runs in the iPad, iPod touch, iPhone and apple TV. These four devices are completely accessible to us, and at least on the iPad, iPod touch and iPhone the iOS experience is extremely similar. On the Apple TV it's different because you control it with a remote, and all VoiceOver has to do is to read menu items and all other info related to multimedia files stored in the device. Apple's iPod nano also delivers an experience very very similar to iOS (with VoiceOver included) but it's actually not running iOS.

IC
On Dec 17, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Dennis Clark wrote:

> Hello Ignasi,
> I found your email very helpful and informative.  I have decided to wait a little while to purchase an IPhone until Verizon brings their IPhone to market in January if that comes to pass.  I was not sure what you meant in your message about iOS.  You said that email and web browsing on iOS are by far the very best.  What is iOS?  By iOS are you referencing either the IPhone or the IPad Touch?  Sorry for the basic terminology question, but I am new to this type of technology.  Thanks for your assistance.
> Warmest regards,
> Dennis
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPod Touch
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> I would recommend that you go to an Apple store or Best Buy store and try the iPhone or iPod touch out. Other stores also have them, but I know Apple and Best buy have them out there for people to play around with them.
>> Theoretically you should be able to use a CDMA iPhone on a CDMA network that's not Verizon, but we don't really know how possible that will be. It's already hard enough to keep a GSM iPhone unlocked and with a reasonably recent version of iOS installed, and the chips on Verizon iPhones will be completely new so we'll have to wait and see. In any case I wouldn't expect to be able to transfer a Verizon iPhone to Sprint within the next three or four months.
>> An option which you might want to consider given that you are a Sprint customer is to buy one of Sprint's iPod touch packages. I think they basically sell you an iPod touch which comes into a case which is actually a 3G wifi hotspot, which allows your iPod to use Sprint's 3G network.
>> Normally apps don't take a lot of space. GPS applications which store maps in the device do take about 1GB of space, but if not they are generally somewhere between 1MB and 100MB. Other than that, how much memory you need depends on how much music you want to have in there, or how many movies, podcasts etc. You can use bluetooth GPS receivers with an iPod touch.
>> I would like to make a point that in my opinion, email and web browsing on iOS are by far the very best, most accessible solution available on mobile devices. Reading emails is really just great. Exchange accounts work great on iOS. Email, contacts and calendars sink perfectly. Also, many newspapers have applications that you can download in order to read them. These are normally accessible and for me there is no faster way to access a newspaper. I can just wake up and read the news on my phone. It's fast, and it just works. And in the end, I guess that's what we want.
>> Also, I find the iPhone to be very useful when I travel. Most airlines have iOS applications, which will tell you if your gate changes or if anything happens. This way I don't need to keep asking random people if I'm still at the right gate, or it changed.
>> You can attach bluetooth keyboards of all sizes to an iPod touch. This is very practical if you need to use the thing to type large amounts of texts. These days you can actually use the iPod touch with the same exact keyboard commands that you would use on a Mac.
>> Apple's i devices just really work for me. I think there's no better way than buying one and trying it out. If you don't like it, return it.
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Ignasi
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
>> 
>>> Okay, I confess to feeling intrigued by this Apple mania.  I'm not willing
>>> to change phone carriers to experience mobile devices, so unless I buy an
>>> unlocked phone after Verizon picks it up, I'm thinking of picking up an iPod
>>> Touch.  A few questions for you loyal Apple fanatics:
>>> 
>>> 1. Is my assumption correct that if Verizon picks up the iPhone as it is
>>> expected, I could buy an unlocked iPhone and use it on Sprint given they're
>>> both on a CDMA network?
>>> 
>>> 2. I know bigger is always better, but on average, how many gigs are you
>>> using to handle your main apps?  Can you expand memory through micro SD for
>>> music and such?
>>> 
>>> 3. How well has the iPod Touch worked as a business device?  Can e-mail be
>>> easily synched for exchange accounts?  Is there a sufficient number of
>>> business-oriented apps that work on the iPod?  Are most apps built for the
>>> iPhone available for use in the iPod where possible?
>>> 
>>> 4. Is there a dummy guide for people like me who'd need a crash course on
>>> touch typing, gestures and such?
>>> 
>>> 5. Has anyone heard anything suggesting future GPS inclusion in the iPod?
>>> 
>>> and finally,
>>> 
>>> 6. How well does the FaceTime app work?  Or, how well has the Google Voice
>>> app worked to communicate with people using 3G or wi-fi networks?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for entertaining my million questions!
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> 
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>> 
>>> 
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Sat Dec 18 13:43:38 2010
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:43:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] tragic news
In-Reply-To: <11340A2CE5D44F2B982F1681758FE8DB@HP11051113631>
References: <0516B5B1A92A4A399DD49BCB55F87E77@labarre>
	<11340A2CE5D44F2B982F1681758FE8DB@HP11051113631>
Message-ID: <4C3B95D6DE2F410BBA96C4071C54087D@DianePC>

As many of you have said, probably close to 1,000 of us (not only students) 
have stood at that bus stop making our way to The Center.
Julie was on channel 4 news last night.
Although I did not know the students that were involved, once a member of 
the NFB/CCB always a member.  We are a huge extended family.
My heart and prayers go out to everyone involved.
Diane

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Everyone,
I too would like to express my condolences to the families of the three
students involved in this accident.  As a member of the Colorado afiliate,
and a graduate of the CCB, I am deeply saddened by this tragedy, as are many
others.  My thoughts and prayers are with all of those at the CCB.
Respectfully,
Marty Rahn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott C. LaBarre" <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
To: "NFB of Colorado Discussion List" <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>; "National
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "NFB
Affiliate Presidents List" <nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org>; "NFB Chapter
Presidents discussion list" <chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2010 1:45 PM
Subject: [Colorado-talk] tragic news


Greetings, the below release describes an extremely tragic event which took
place in our community today.  We appreciate your thoughts and  prayers as
we go forward.  This story has been all over the local news and bloggers
have already been making many ridiculous statements about the blind.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND EXPRESSES GREAT SORROW

AFTER TRAGIC ACCIDENT



December 17, 2010     Littleton, Colorado

Contact:  Julie Deden, Executive Director, 303 653-5987



Early this morning, three students of the Colorado Center for the Blind were
waiting at a Regional Transportation District bus stop at the Southeast
corner of West Mineral Avenue and South Utica Drive in Littleton when a
driver, headed north on Utica, lost control of her car as she was turning
east onto Mineral and then hit the three students, one man and two women.
Emergency personnel rushed the three to Littleton Hospital.  The man later
died due to massive injuries.  The women are in stable condition and being
treated.  The Colorado Center for the Blind is not at liberty to release the
names of the students or further personal information at this time while
family members and loved ones are being contacted.



"The students and staff of the CCB are in great shock and grieving," says
Julie Deden, Executive Director of the CCB.  "Our love, prayers, and
tremendous sorrow go out to the family and friends of the student we have
lost and we are praying hard for the two women still in the hospital,"
continued Deden.  "At the Center, we are first and foremost a family and we
will love and support one another through this great tragedy which has
struck us at a time of year normally reserved for joy and celebration,"
reflected Deden.



The three students were on their way to the Center for its annual holiday
party immediately prior to a winter break.  The CCB has requested assistance
from Littleton city officials, and grief counselors are present at the
Center to help staff and students address this tremendous tragedy.  "We will
do whatever is necessary to help our family through this difficult time,"
said Diane McGeorge, Chairperson of the CCB's Board of Directors and herself
a former Executive Director of the Center.



According to the Littleton Police, icy road conditions played a significant
role in today's accident.  "Our students' blindness had absolutely nothing
to do with the accident," said McGeorge.  "Our entire community is reeling
from this terrible incident," said Scott LaBarre, President of the National
Federation of the Blind of Colorado, the Center's chief sponsor.  "These
students were simply waiting for their bus like hundreds of thousands of
other metro commuters on their way to work or school.  The breadth and scope
of this tragedy cannot be expressed in words," commented LaBarre.



For more information about the CCB, go to www.cocenter.org or call 303
778-1130.  The Center has been offering independence training to blind
youth, adults, and seniors since 1988.








Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
303 504-5979 (voice)
303 757-3640 (fax)
slabarre at labarrelaw.com (e-mail)
www.labarrelaw.com (website)

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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 16:05:20 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:05:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille transcribers who can provide BRF as well as hard
	coppy?
Message-ID: <4d0cdafb.1b35640a.6a0c.20fe@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone knows of Braille transcribers who can provide BRF files or hard copy depending on the text?
For example, I don't mind if an English Literature textbook is in BRF format. But, I'll need math and science in hard coppy.
Thanks, and have a great weekend!

In Christ, Miranda


From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 18 16:12:03 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:12:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille transcribers who can provide BRF as well as
 hardcoppy?
In-Reply-To: <4d0cdafb.1b35640a.6a0c.20fe@mx.google.com>
References: <4d0cdafb.1b35640a.6a0c.20fe@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6523BE13D93A44B7B833181DD878736D@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hello,

Are you a student, and do you mind if the transcriber is not yet certified? 
I can produce Braille for you in brf format, and if you provide the paper, I 
have a Juliet embosser that could produce information in hard copy.  I would 
need an electronic file of your document, of course.  I am in college, and 
so beginning at the end of January when school begins, I will be extremely 
busy, but if you need something before that point, I might have time to 
code.  I am blind, and so I would not be able to describe pictures and the 
like for you.  If you have a scanner, you could scan in text to email to me, 
that is, if you are interested in my helping you.  Even after school begins, 
I might be able to still save documents in a BRF format for you and Braille 
shorter projects, assuming you provide the paper.  But, I don't want to 
promise anything as I will have my mind on my studies at that point.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda" <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille transcribers who can provide BRF as well as 
hardcoppy?


> Hi,
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of Braille transcribers who can provide BRF 
> files or hard copy depending on the text?
> For example, I don't mind if an English Literature textbook is in BRF 
> format. But, I'll need math and science in hard coppy.
> Thanks, and have a great weekend!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 18:20:38 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 13:20:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille transcribers who can provide BRF as well as
 hardcoppy?
Message-ID: <4d0cfab1.a13eec0a.5bb4.4656@mx.google.com>

Hi Anita,
I am considering college, and I'll need a transcriber for textbooks and the like. Therefore, I'll need graphics and such for science and math. With large academic projects of this nature, I'd prefer the transcriber be certified for accuracy purposes.
Thanks, and have a great weekend!

In Christ, Miranda

-----Original Message-----
From: Anita Adkins <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille transcribers who can provide BRF as well as hardcoppy?

Hello,

Are you a student, and do you mind if the transcriber is not yet certified? 
I can produce Braille for you in brf format, and if you provide the paper, I 
have a Juliet embosser that could produce information in hard copy.  I would 
need an electronic file of your document, of course.  I am in college, and 
so beginning at the end of January when school begins, I will be extremely 
busy, but if you need something before that point, I might have time to 
code.  I am blind, and so I would not be able to describe pictures and the 
like for you.  If you have a scanner, you could scan in text to email to me, 
that is, if you are interested in my helping you.  Even after school begins, 
I might be able to still save documents in a BRF format for you and Braille 
shorter projects, assuming you provide the paper.  But, I don't want to 
promise anything as I will have my mind on my studies at that point.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda" <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille transcribers who can provide BRF as well as 
hardcoppy?


> Hi,
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of Braille transcribers who can provide BRF 
> files or hard copy depending on the text?
> For example, I don't mind if an English Literature textbook is in BRF 
> format. But, I'll need math and science in hard coppy.
> Thanks, and have a great weekend!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 22:26:41 2010
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:26:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio Books from RFB&D Are Now Accessible on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <auto-000183756145@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000183756145@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <4E199E2B-C4AC-4941-9CB7-7EFD93A6ABDE@gmail.com>

I also hear they will be coming out for an app onthe iphone but tha'ts just a roomer for now. I hope it has ways to speed up reading as I listen at a very fast pace.
On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:46 AM, David Andrews wrote:

> 
> []
> 
> 
> Audio Books from RFB&D Are Now Accessible on the Mac
> 
> A new software player for Mac and Windows users makes reading and educational content more accessible for people with learning differences.
> 
> Princeton, NJ (Vocus) November 29, 2010
> 
> Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic® (RFB&D®), the nation’s largest provider of educational audio textbooks, announced that its entire collection is now accessible on Mac as well as Windows operating systems through the introduction of RFB&D ReadHear, developed by gh, LLC in partnership with RFB&D.
> 
> “This is truly a milestone on our path to make educational content more accessible for those who need it most,” says Andrew Friedman, acting CEO of RFB&D. “Our individual and institutional members are eager to tap the spectrum of assistive technologies available today. While satisfying users who have been asking for access to our materials on the Mac, this dual-platform approach also provides an advanced solution for our large base of Windows users. We look forward to widening their range of accessibility even more in the coming year.”
> 
> Background:
>   *     This long awaited development is the result of RFB&D’s extensive collaboration with gh, LLC, an assistive technology company specializing in access to information for people with visual, learning or physical disabilities.
>   *     A new dual-platform software player developed by gh enables users to access the entire library of RFB&D DAISY-formatted content on both Mac and Windows systems. The new technology will also support RFB&D’s developing generation of content containing digital text and audio.
>   *     Thanks to funding provided by the U.S. Department of Education, RFB&D will license the player to individual members for free (one copy per member, renewable after one year).
>   *     A brief video product demonstration of the new RFB&D ReadHear solution is posted at http://www.rfbd.org/readhear]. The page is a one-stop info hub for Mac OS and Windows users, featuring technical specifications, “How To” and “Quick Start” documents; and an FAQ.
>   *     Institutional members (e.g. school systems) can obtain information and price quotes regarding licensing opportunities by contacting James Higgins, Vice President RFB&D Programs and Services at jhiggins(at)rfbd(at)org.
> “This is a positive step forward for accessibility,” says Alexa Posny, Assistant Secretary in the Office of Special Education and Rehabilitative Services at the U.S. Department of Education. “People with learning differences can thrive when their menu of technology options is open and diverse.”
> 
> ““I found ReadHear very easy to download and set up, and it really streamlines the study process,” says Elizabeth Burns, a visually impaired graduate student in upstate New York who is pursuing her doctorate in American History. “I spend several hours reading and studying every day, using a few devices along with my computer. I was constantly shifting between devices to listen and take notes. Now by being able to access a recorded book and take notes on my computer, it’s a matter of just a few keystrokes between one program and the other, which is marvelous because it reduces the amount of physical effort.”
> 
> “gh has worked as the industry leader for many years on developing state-of-the-art software to support DAISY books on a variety of platforms,” adds Dave Schleppenbach, President of gh, LLC. “Our mission is to assist as many students as possible with cutting-edge technology to support their varied learning styles. Working with RFB&D is a tremendous opportunity to reach students across the country, hopefully changing lives for the better.”
> 
> About Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic®
> Founded in 1948, RFB&D serves more than 270,000 K-12, college and graduate students, as well as veterans and lifelong learners – all of whom cannot read standard print due to blindness, visual impairment, dyslexia, or other disability. RFB&D's collection of more than 63,000 digitally recorded textbooks and literature titles – delivered through internet downloads, various assistive technology devices, and CD – is the largest of its kind in the world. More than 5,400 volunteers across the U.S. help to record and process the books, which students rely on to achieve educational success and entry into the workforce. RFB&D, a 501(c)3 nonprofit, is funded by grants from the U.S. Department of Education, state and local education programs, and the generous contributions of individuals, foundations and corporations. For more information, call (866) 732-3585 or visit http://www.rfbd.org].
> 
> About gh, LLC
> gh, LLC is an award-winning assistive technology company providing access to information for people with a visual, learning or physical disability, whether they are reading a textbook, publication, standardized test, or website. Conversion services include Braille, tactile graphics, Digital Talking Books, and NIMAS formats. For more information on gh, LLC, click here.
> 
> Contact: Doug Sprei, Director of Media Relations
> dsprei(at)rfbd(dot)org; (202) 684-8915
> 
> # # #
> 
> Contact Information
> Doug Sprei, Director of Media Relations
> Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic
> <http://www.rfbd.org>http://www.rfbd.org
> 202-684-8915
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 01:23:47 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 17:23:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs Conference call: Dating and Relationships part 2!
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 Seasons Greetings Fellow Students,
  It’s the most wonderful time of the year! – Exams, gift shopping,
 and cold weather!  Ok, well at least you have another nabs conference
 call to look forward to!
       For the Final nabs conference of 2010 we bring you…: Dating and
 Relationships… part 2 (the sequel? Yes, the sequel!)    Here we will
 hear from  a   couple where both partners are blind, and a couple
 where  both a blind and sighted person are present.
  This call, scheduled to take place Sunday, December 19th at 8p.m.
 EST, is sure to follow last year’s informative and lively nature.  So
 bring your questions,  Bring your stories, and most certainly bring
 yourselves!

  Who?: The membership committee (and guest speakers) of the national
 association of blind students
 What?: “Dating and Relationships” part 2!
 When?: Sunday!!... December 19, 2010 at 8p.m. EST, 7p.m. CT, 6p.m. MT,
 5p.m. PT. (ok, I think you get the idea).
 Where?: conference call!(712) 775-7100  Pass Code: 257963
 How?: Call in… Duh!
 Why?: because you have questions about dating and relationships, and
 you missed last years call or, you just want in on this one too
 •       This call is set to be recorded, so if  for some strange reason you
> really want to miss out on this one, You’ll at least have the
 opportunity to gain some insights *smile*.
  We look forward to seeing you there!

        Warm regards and best holiday wishes,
  The Nabs membership committee.


> --
> Darian Smith
> Skype: The_Blind_Truth
> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace
>
>
> “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
> spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin
>


-- 
Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 03:25:57 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:25:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS December Bulletin!
Message-ID: <AANLkTik1i2vTnRrOqPL9rA3us8Safp_MCOhrn1QPoUjn@mail.gmail.com>

Once again, the bulletin is pasted below, with the minutes from our
last board meeting attached for your convenience.

National Association of Blind Students
>From the Desk of the President
December 18, 2010
In This Bulletin:
1.	Washington Seminar 2011!
2.	NFB 2011 Scholarship Program Now Open!
3.	Sign Up for 2011 NFB Youth Slam!
4.	State Division Announcements
Washington Seminar 2011!
	The National Federation of the Blind will be gathering once again
this winter in Washington, D.C. to meet with our national legislators
and discuss our legislative priorities with them. As usual, just prior
to our legislative visits, the National Association of Blind Students
will be holding its annual winter meeting. This year, our NABS student
meeting will be held on Monday, January 31, 2011 from 9:00 a.m. to
3:30 p.m. Before our meeting, we will be having a breakfast
meet-and-greet for students attending their first Washington Seminar.

The Great Gathering-In meeting, where the entire NFB delegation
assembles to discuss the upcoming legislative work, will happen on
Monday just after the conclusion of the NABS meeting, and legislative
appointments will be held Tuesday, February 1, through Thursday,
February 3.

We encourage all of you to join us for the NABS meeting, the
legislative appointments, or both. To find out who else is going from
your state or to inquire about funding to cover the cost of your trip,
please contact your NFB state affiliate president.

More details about the NABS student seminar will be available soon. If
you have suggestions for specific topics you’d like to have discussed
during the seminar, please send your suggestions to me at
Nabs.president at gmail.com
.

2. NFB 2011 Scholarship Program Now Open!
Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty
scholarships to legally blind college and graduate students across the
country.  The scholarship includes a cash award ranging from $3000 to
$12000, plus a free trip to the NFB national convention and often a
piece of assistive technology such as a KNFB Reader Mobile.  The
scholarship application for 2011 is now on the Web at
www.nfb.org/scholarships
Applications are due by March 31, 2011.
Already won a national NFB scholarship? You can apply again and
potentially win a second scholarship, also known as a TenBroek
fellowship.
In addition, many NFB affiliates offer scholarships to blind students.
 You needn't be an active member of the NFB to win.  Contact your NFB
state president for details.  You can find a list of state affiliates
and their contact information at
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/State_and_Local_Organizations.asp?SnID=54394983
Best of luck!

3. Sign Up for NFB 2011 Youth Slam!
>From Mary Jo Hartle, director of education, National Federation of the
Blind Jernigan Institute:
We are pleased to announce the third biennial NFB Youth Slam.  Whether
or not science or technology is “your thing,” there’s sure to be
something for everyone.  Learn the science behind building apps for
your iPod, use cutting-edge equipment and technology to determine
chemical reactions in chemistry labs, build robots, or learn how to
use nonvisual techniques to perform a real dissection.  We guarantee
this summer program will be like no other you've ever been to before!



One hundred and fifty blind and low vision students from all across
the country will be selected to attend this five-day adventure, to be
held in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Baltimore, Maryland,
that will engage, inspire, and encourage the next generation of blind
youth to consider careers falsely believed to be impossible for the
blind.



While staying on a college campus, students will be mentored by blind
role models during fun and challenging activities designed to build
confidence and increase science literacy.  Participants will also have
the opportunity to attend workshops on topics such as leadership,
career preparation, and blindness.  In addition, students and mentors
will take part in a variety of social events throughout the week.
Come to the NFB Youth Slam and meet other blind and low vision
students from all over the United States!



Interested students who will be age fourteen at the time of the
program, and are starting high school (ninth grade) in the fall of
2011 or are currently in high school (including those graduating in
the spring of 2011) should complete an application online. Students
need not have a strong interest in science, technology, engineering,
or math (STEM) in order to participate, enjoy, and benefit from this
extraordinary experience.



If you are interested in attending the NFB Youth Slam, either as a
student participant, or as an adult volunteer, visit
www.blindscience.org to complete an online application.  Applications
are due by March 1, 2011.



If you have any questions about the NFB Youth Slam, please visit the
Web site or contact Mary Jo Hartle, Director of Education, NFB
Jernigan Institute,

(410) 659-9314, extension 2407, or e-mail YouthSlam at nfb.org.



Join us as we continue to make history at what promises to be the best
NFB Youth slam yet!



Mary Jo T. Hartle

State Division Announcements:
>From New York:
I just thought I would shoot you a blurb concerning the tremendous strides
NYABS has been making. Since the division was reinstated a little over
a year ago the student division has grown in leaps and bounds.
Membership has
increased greatly, and several local chapters are in the process of being
established. We are also planning on having our first Student Seminar in the
upcoming year.

Best, and thanks,

Kate Carroll

>From Virginia:
Hi,
My name is Brittany savage and I was just elected presidant of Vabs at
our state convention in November. I just wanted to give you a little
blerb about what we did and our new board members for the newsletter.

During the Virginia 2010 convention elections were held for the
positions of the board for the student division. Chelsie Cooke was
elected board member. Brittany Crone was elected Secritary. Kierra
Davis was elected treasurer. Christopher O'Mealy was elected vice
presidant, and Brittany Savage was elected presidant. While at the
state convention we held a student track in which 22 middle, high, and
college students partisipated. On Friday night we had a student
hospitality meeting where we played ice-breaker games, socialized, and
had pizza. On Saturday morning we held two sessions for the students,
one was a mobility training seminar and the other was a "This is what
I wish I could tell my parents". This was where we had the students
tell us what they wished that they could tell their parents about
being independant , and we took what they said and during the parents
luncheon someone told them what their children said without saying
which child said what. On Saturday afternoon we took  the entire group
to the D.C. metro where Bridget Dority gave them an O&M lesson on the
metro system. We had a metro bus come and let the students have an
hour exploring the bus and seeing what they don't get to see on a
usual day. I am very proud of the student track this year and want to
thank everyone again who put it together.



On 10/5/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
> National Association of Blind Students
> From the Desk of the President
> October 5, 2010
>
> 1.  NABS Reps are Here for You!
> 2.  This Month's Conference Call: Science and More!
> 3.  NABS Kicks off Pennies for Pages Fund-Raiser!
> 4.  Announcement from Virginia!
> 5.  Minutes from Last NABS Board Meeting!
>
> NABS Reps are Here for You!
> Are you hoping to organize a new student division at your state
> convention this year? Is your division looking for new ideas or
> planning a change of leadership? Are you looking for advice from
> someone who is experienced in organizing and leading student
> divisions? The NABS board are here to help! Our NABS officers travel
> across the country each year attending many of our NFB state
> conventions and helping your state divisions connect with the national
> NABS.  If you would like to have a NABS board representative come to
> your next state convention, student seminar, or other event, you can
> request a NABS rep by going to our website,
> www.nabslink.org
> and filling out the online form.  Also, check out the "About Us" page
> of our website to find out which NABS board member is assigned to your
> state.
>
> This Month’s Conference Calls: Science and More!
> **This month we will be having two conference calls: one for blind
> students and one for their parents! Below is information about the
> student call; information about the parent call will be sent out in a
> separate message.
>
> Attention All Students!
> Ever been curious about what majors and specializations blind
> individuals have had in the past? Have you ever felt like learning
> about fields such as Science, Technology, Engineering and Math-
> (STEM), are “too difficult”? Do alternative techniques a blind person
> may use in such fields just baffle you?
> If any of the above apply to you-
> Please attend the Membership phone call, presented by the Membership
> Committee of the National Association of Blind Students. We are going
> to cover concerns, techniques, and generalized information about how
> blind students can participate on equal terms with their sighted
> peers, even when focusing on STEM fields.
> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010
> When: 7 pm EST #
> Where: NABS conference line- (712)775-7100 Code: 257963#.
> Why: TO learn and network with other blind students who wish to
> pursuer careers, or just get to know about opportunities in the STEM
> fields for the blind.
> We will discuss items such as the NASA Excel program, Youth Slam, the
> Junior Science Academy, etc… We are open to all types of technique
> questions, resource question, to be answered by the guest speaker and
> the committee. Hope to see you there!
> Sincerely,
> Membership Committee
> National Association of Blind Students
> 3. NABS Kicks off Pennies for Pages 2010-2011!
> Sean Whalen, second vice-president of NABS, writes:
> Greetings to all members and friends of NABS,
>
> I am writing to announce and solicit your participation in an exciting
> fundraising effort that the National Association of Blind Students is
> currently undertaking. The fundraiser is our second annual Pennies for
> Pages, and is being run in conjunction with the NFB’s Braille Readers
> are Leaders contest. We believe that this fundraiser has a lot of
> potential. However, in order to realize this potential, we need help
> from all of you!
>
> The idea is this. Students, or anybody else who is interested in
> helping to raise money for Braille literacy and our national and state
> student divisions, can sign up to participate in the Braille Readers
> are Leaders program and then solicit donations from friends, family,
> or anybody really, for Braille pages read throughout the duration of
> the contest. Of course, donations of fixed sums are also gratefully
> accepted.
>
> If you are already participating in either the K-12 or Adult Braille
> Readers are Leaders contests, you can simply register with NABS as a
> reader and find people to sponsor you for each page you read. To
> register as a reader with NABS, please fill the online form at:
> www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php
> Or contact Sean Whalen at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608 332-4147.
>
> If you are not yet signed up for the contest, no worries! The reading
> contest runs from November 1, 2010 through January 4, 2011, and
> registration for Braille Readers are Leaders is open now, and will
> remain open throughout the duration of the contest. To register for
> either the K-12 or Adult Braille Readers are Leaders Contests, please
> go to www.nfb.org/bral. And, remember, once you have registered for
> the contest, sign up with NABS to participate in our Pennies for Pages
> fundraising effort!
>
> If, rather than registering as a reader, you would like to support
> NABS’ efforts by sponsoring a reader, or making a fixed donation,
> please either register as a sponsor at:
> www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php
> or contact Sean Whalen at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608 332-4147.
>
> Donations can be accepted in cash or as checks made out to the
> National Association of Blind Students and can be given to our
> Treasurer, Nijat Worley, either in person at Washington Seminar or
> sent, via postal mail, to:
>
> Nijat Worley
> 2905 East College Ave, Unit 106
> Boulder, CO 80303
>
> If you wish to participate or have any questions at all about the
> plan, please contact Sean Whalen at either 608-332-4147 or
> smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. I will be compiling the list of participants
> and would be happy to answer any questions which anybody might have.
>
> Any money we raise through Pennies for Pages will be shared, in equal
> portions, between NABS, the National Association to Promote the Use of
> Braille, and the state student divisions (or affiliates) in which the
> readers reside.
>
> NABS looks forward to working together to raise money for, and promote
> awareness of, Braille literacy!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sean Whalen
>
>
> 4. Announcement from Virginia:
> Accessible technology is helpful, but it can be hard to learn how
> students use it in the classroom. Orientation and mobility training is
> useful, but many students aren't sure how to apply their skills to new
> surroundings...especially a busy mass-transit system like that in the
> greater Washington, DC area. And working to get electronic textbooks
> can make the already burdensome life a student even more hectic. Well
> at this year's NFB of Virginia convention, students will gain hands-on
> experience, access to successful students, and directly applicable
> strategies for all of these situations. Our convention will be held
> November 12-14 at the Marriott Fairview Park in Falls Church, in
> Northern Virginia just outside Washington, DC. We welcome all students
> -- from junior high through graduate school -- to learn with us. We
> will have a set of activities that parallel the state convention, so
> students will get the most of the general sessions and specific
> student-focused activities. For details and to register, please
> contact Student Division President Corbb O'Connor at corbbo at gmail.com
> or (202) 684-6130. If finances are tough for you and your family,
> please let us know. We will work with you to make the convention
> experience possible. We look forward to seeing you in Falls Church!
> 5.  Minutes from Last NABS Board Meeting:
> The NABS board meets by monthly teleconference to discuss and plan
> upcoming NABS programs and activities.  In order to let you be better
> informed about what we are doing, we decided to start attaching the
> minutes from each board meeting to the following month’s bulletin,
> beginning with October.  The minutes are attached to this email.  If
> you have any questions or suggestions for items that you’d like us to
> discuss in future meetings, feel free to write to me directly at
> Nabs.president at gmail.com
>
>
> On 10/2/10, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greetings Nabsters
>>  The Nabs board is  busily making  plans  to aquire auction items for
>> this January’s Washington seminar, and  is seeking   assistance from
>> you!
>>  If you know of any contacts, or just want to help out with gathering
>> contacts and items, you are welcome to join us on  an organizing
>> conference call tomorrow.
>> Date: 10/3/10
>> Time:5:30 p.m. EST
>>  Where: Conference   call (712) 775-7100  passcode”257963
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darian Smith
>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth
>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace
>>
>>
>> “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
>> spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin
>>
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> --
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
>


-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 03:46:12 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 20:46:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS December Bulletin!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik1i2vTnRrOqPL9rA3us8Safp_MCOhrn1QPoUjn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik1i2vTnRrOqPL9rA3us8Safp_MCOhrn1QPoUjn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=GBGnUgFnkChsW_j=6eoch9+p2aCZzLcZ6nAKR@mail.gmail.com>

Oops-I forgot the minutes. Here they are attached.

Arielle

On 12/18/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
> Once again, the bulletin is pasted below, with the minutes from our
> last board meeting attached for your convenience.
>
> National Association of Blind Students
> From the Desk of the President
> December 18, 2010
> In This Bulletin:
> 1.	Washington Seminar 2011!
> 2.	NFB 2011 Scholarship Program Now Open!
> 3.	Sign Up for 2011 NFB Youth Slam!
> 4.	State Division Announcements
> Washington Seminar 2011!
> 	The National Federation of the Blind will be gathering once again
> this winter in Washington, D.C. to meet with our national legislators
> and discuss our legislative priorities with them. As usual, just prior
> to our legislative visits, the National Association of Blind Students
> will be holding its annual winter meeting. This year, our NABS student
> meeting will be held on Monday, January 31, 2011 from 9:00 a.m. to
> 3:30 p.m. Before our meeting, we will be having a breakfast
> meet-and-greet for students attending their first Washington Seminar.
>
> The Great Gathering-In meeting, where the entire NFB delegation
> assembles to discuss the upcoming legislative work, will happen on
> Monday just after the conclusion of the NABS meeting, and legislative
> appointments will be held Tuesday, February 1, through Thursday,
> February 3.
>
> We encourage all of you to join us for the NABS meeting, the
> legislative appointments, or both. To find out who else is going from
> your state or to inquire about funding to cover the cost of your trip,
> please contact your NFB state affiliate president.
>
> More details about the NABS student seminar will be available soon. If
> you have suggestions for specific topics you’d like to have discussed
> during the seminar, please send your suggestions to me at
> Nabs.president at gmail.com
> .
>
> 2. NFB 2011 Scholarship Program Now Open!
> Each year the National Federation of the Blind awards thirty
> scholarships to legally blind college and graduate students across the
> country.  The scholarship includes a cash award ranging from $3000 to
> $12000, plus a free trip to the NFB national convention and often a
> piece of assistive technology such as a KNFB Reader Mobile.  The
> scholarship application for 2011 is now on the Web at
> www.nfb.org/scholarships
> Applications are due by March 31, 2011.
> Already won a national NFB scholarship? You can apply again and
> potentially win a second scholarship, also known as a TenBroek
> fellowship.
> In addition, many NFB affiliates offer scholarships to blind students.
>  You needn't be an active member of the NFB to win.  Contact your NFB
> state president for details.  You can find a list of state affiliates
> and their contact information at
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/State_and_Local_Organizations.asp?SnID=54394983
> Best of luck!
>
> 3. Sign Up for NFB 2011 Youth Slam!
> From Mary Jo Hartle, director of education, National Federation of the
> Blind Jernigan Institute:
> We are pleased to announce the third biennial NFB Youth Slam.  Whether
> or not science or technology is “your thing,” there’s sure to be
> something for everyone.  Learn the science behind building apps for
> your iPod, use cutting-edge equipment and technology to determine
> chemical reactions in chemistry labs, build robots, or learn how to
> use nonvisual techniques to perform a real dissection.  We guarantee
> this summer program will be like no other you've ever been to before!
>
>
>
> One hundred and fifty blind and low vision students from all across
> the country will be selected to attend this five-day adventure, to be
> held in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Baltimore, Maryland,
> that will engage, inspire, and encourage the next generation of blind
> youth to consider careers falsely believed to be impossible for the
> blind.
>
>
>
> While staying on a college campus, students will be mentored by blind
> role models during fun and challenging activities designed to build
> confidence and increase science literacy.  Participants will also have
> the opportunity to attend workshops on topics such as leadership,
> career preparation, and blindness.  In addition, students and mentors
> will take part in a variety of social events throughout the week.
> Come to the NFB Youth Slam and meet other blind and low vision
> students from all over the United States!
>
>
>
> Interested students who will be age fourteen at the time of the
> program, and are starting high school (ninth grade) in the fall of
> 2011 or are currently in high school (including those graduating in
> the spring of 2011) should complete an application online. Students
> need not have a strong interest in science, technology, engineering,
> or math (STEM) in order to participate, enjoy, and benefit from this
> extraordinary experience.
>
>
>
> If you are interested in attending the NFB Youth Slam, either as a
> student participant, or as an adult volunteer, visit
> www.blindscience.org to complete an online application.  Applications
> are due by March 1, 2011.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions about the NFB Youth Slam, please visit the
> Web site or contact Mary Jo Hartle, Director of Education, NFB
> Jernigan Institute,
>
> (410) 659-9314, extension 2407, or e-mail YouthSlam at nfb.org.
>
>
>
> Join us as we continue to make history at what promises to be the best
> NFB Youth slam yet!
>
>
>
> Mary Jo T. Hartle
>
> State Division Announcements:
> From New York:
> I just thought I would shoot you a blurb concerning the tremendous strides
> NYABS has been making. Since the division was reinstated a little over
> a year ago the student division has grown in leaps and bounds.
> Membership has
> increased greatly, and several local chapters are in the process of being
> established. We are also planning on having our first Student Seminar in
> the
> upcoming year.
>
> Best, and thanks,
>
> Kate Carroll
>
> From Virginia:
> Hi,
> My name is Brittany savage and I was just elected presidant of Vabs at
> our state convention in November. I just wanted to give you a little
> blerb about what we did and our new board members for the newsletter.
>
> During the Virginia 2010 convention elections were held for the
> positions of the board for the student division. Chelsie Cooke was
> elected board member. Brittany Crone was elected Secritary. Kierra
> Davis was elected treasurer. Christopher O'Mealy was elected vice
> presidant, and Brittany Savage was elected presidant. While at the
> state convention we held a student track in which 22 middle, high, and
> college students partisipated. On Friday night we had a student
> hospitality meeting where we played ice-breaker games, socialized, and
> had pizza. On Saturday morning we held two sessions for the students,
> one was a mobility training seminar and the other was a "This is what
> I wish I could tell my parents". This was where we had the students
> tell us what they wished that they could tell their parents about
> being independant , and we took what they said and during the parents
> luncheon someone told them what their children said without saying
> which child said what. On Saturday afternoon we took  the entire group
> to the D.C. metro where Bridget Dority gave them an O&M lesson on the
> metro system. We had a metro bus come and let the students have an
> hour exploring the bus and seeing what they don't get to see on a
> usual day. I am very proud of the student track this year and want to
> thank everyone again who put it together.
>
>
>
> On 10/5/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> From the Desk of the President
>> October 5, 2010
>>
>> 1.  NABS Reps are Here for You!
>> 2.  This Month's Conference Call: Science and More!
>> 3.  NABS Kicks off Pennies for Pages Fund-Raiser!
>> 4.  Announcement from Virginia!
>> 5.  Minutes from Last NABS Board Meeting!
>>
>> NABS Reps are Here for You!
>> Are you hoping to organize a new student division at your state
>> convention this year? Is your division looking for new ideas or
>> planning a change of leadership? Are you looking for advice from
>> someone who is experienced in organizing and leading student
>> divisions? The NABS board are here to help! Our NABS officers travel
>> across the country each year attending many of our NFB state
>> conventions and helping your state divisions connect with the national
>> NABS.  If you would like to have a NABS board representative come to
>> your next state convention, student seminar, or other event, you can
>> request a NABS rep by going to our website,
>> www.nabslink.org
>> and filling out the online form.  Also, check out the "About Us" page
>> of our website to find out which NABS board member is assigned to your
>> state.
>>
>> This Month’s Conference Calls: Science and More!
>> **This month we will be having two conference calls: one for blind
>> students and one for their parents! Below is information about the
>> student call; information about the parent call will be sent out in a
>> separate message.
>>
>> Attention All Students!
>> Ever been curious about what majors and specializations blind
>> individuals have had in the past? Have you ever felt like learning
>> about fields such as Science, Technology, Engineering and Math-
>> (STEM), are “too difficult”? Do alternative techniques a blind person
>> may use in such fields just baffle you?
>> If any of the above apply to you-
>> Please attend the Membership phone call, presented by the Membership
>> Committee of the National Association of Blind Students. We are going
>> to cover concerns, techniques, and generalized information about how
>> blind students can participate on equal terms with their sighted
>> peers, even when focusing on STEM fields.
>> Date: Sunday, October 17, 2010
>> When: 7 pm EST #
>> Where: NABS conference line- (712)775-7100 Code: 257963#.
>> Why: TO learn and network with other blind students who wish to
>> pursuer careers, or just get to know about opportunities in the STEM
>> fields for the blind.
>> We will discuss items such as the NASA Excel program, Youth Slam, the
>> Junior Science Academy, etc… We are open to all types of technique
>> questions, resource question, to be answered by the guest speaker and
>> the committee. Hope to see you there!
>> Sincerely,
>> Membership Committee
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> 3. NABS Kicks off Pennies for Pages 2010-2011!
>> Sean Whalen, second vice-president of NABS, writes:
>> Greetings to all members and friends of NABS,
>>
>> I am writing to announce and solicit your participation in an exciting
>> fundraising effort that the National Association of Blind Students is
>> currently undertaking. The fundraiser is our second annual Pennies for
>> Pages, and is being run in conjunction with the NFB’s Braille Readers
>> are Leaders contest. We believe that this fundraiser has a lot of
>> potential. However, in order to realize this potential, we need help
>> from all of you!
>>
>> The idea is this. Students, or anybody else who is interested in
>> helping to raise money for Braille literacy and our national and state
>> student divisions, can sign up to participate in the Braille Readers
>> are Leaders program and then solicit donations from friends, family,
>> or anybody really, for Braille pages read throughout the duration of
>> the contest. Of course, donations of fixed sums are also gratefully
>> accepted.
>>
>> If you are already participating in either the K-12 or Adult Braille
>> Readers are Leaders contests, you can simply register with NABS as a
>> reader and find people to sponsor you for each page you read. To
>> register as a reader with NABS, please fill the online form at:
>> www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php
>> Or contact Sean Whalen at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608 332-4147.
>>
>> If you are not yet signed up for the contest, no worries! The reading
>> contest runs from November 1, 2010 through January 4, 2011, and
>> registration for Braille Readers are Leaders is open now, and will
>> remain open throughout the duration of the contest. To register for
>> either the K-12 or Adult Braille Readers are Leaders Contests, please
>> go to www.nfb.org/bral. And, remember, once you have registered for
>> the contest, sign up with NABS to participate in our Pennies for Pages
>> fundraising effort!
>>
>> If, rather than registering as a reader, you would like to support
>> NABS’ efforts by sponsoring a reader, or making a fixed donation,
>> please either register as a sponsor at:
>> www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php
>> or contact Sean Whalen at smwhalenpsp at gmail.com or 608 332-4147.
>>
>> Donations can be accepted in cash or as checks made out to the
>> National Association of Blind Students and can be given to our
>> Treasurer, Nijat Worley, either in person at Washington Seminar or
>> sent, via postal mail, to:
>>
>> Nijat Worley
>> 2905 East College Ave, Unit 106
>> Boulder, CO 80303
>>
>> If you wish to participate or have any questions at all about the
>> plan, please contact Sean Whalen at either 608-332-4147 or
>> smwhalenpsp at gmail.com. I will be compiling the list of participants
>> and would be happy to answer any questions which anybody might have.
>>
>> Any money we raise through Pennies for Pages will be shared, in equal
>> portions, between NABS, the National Association to Promote the Use of
>> Braille, and the state student divisions (or affiliates) in which the
>> readers reside.
>>
>> NABS looks forward to working together to raise money for, and promote
>> awareness of, Braille literacy!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Sean Whalen
>>
>>
>> 4. Announcement from Virginia:
>> Accessible technology is helpful, but it can be hard to learn how
>> students use it in the classroom. Orientation and mobility training is
>> useful, but many students aren't sure how to apply their skills to new
>> surroundings...especially a busy mass-transit system like that in the
>> greater Washington, DC area. And working to get electronic textbooks
>> can make the already burdensome life a student even more hectic. Well
>> at this year's NFB of Virginia convention, students will gain hands-on
>> experience, access to successful students, and directly applicable
>> strategies for all of these situations. Our convention will be held
>> November 12-14 at the Marriott Fairview Park in Falls Church, in
>> Northern Virginia just outside Washington, DC. We welcome all students
>> -- from junior high through graduate school -- to learn with us. We
>> will have a set of activities that parallel the state convention, so
>> students will get the most of the general sessions and specific
>> student-focused activities. For details and to register, please
>> contact Student Division President Corbb O'Connor at corbbo at gmail.com
>> or (202) 684-6130. If finances are tough for you and your family,
>> please let us know. We will work with you to make the convention
>> experience possible. We look forward to seeing you in Falls Church!
>> 5.  Minutes from Last NABS Board Meeting:
>> The NABS board meets by monthly teleconference to discuss and plan
>> upcoming NABS programs and activities.  In order to let you be better
>> informed about what we are doing, we decided to start attaching the
>> minutes from each board meeting to the following month’s bulletin,
>> beginning with October.  The minutes are attached to this email.  If
>> you have any questions or suggestions for items that you’d like us to
>> discuss in future meetings, feel free to write to me directly at
>> Nabs.president at gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On 10/2/10, Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Greetings Nabsters
>>>  The Nabs board is  busily making  plans  to aquire auction items for
>>> this January’s Washington seminar, and  is seeking   assistance from
>>> you!
>>>  If you know of any contacts, or just want to help out with gathering
>>> contacts and items, you are welcome to join us on  an organizing
>>> conference call tomorrow.
>>> Date: 10/3/10
>>> Time:5:30 p.m. EST
>>>  Where: Conference   call (712) 775-7100  passcode”257963
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darian Smith
>>> Skype: The_Blind_Truth
>>> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
>>> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace
>>>
>>>
>>> “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
>>> spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Arielle Silverman
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>> Phone:  602-502-2255
>> Email:
>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>> Website:
>> www.nabslink.org
>>
>
>
> --
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
>


-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Sun Dec 19 13:18:31 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 06:18:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] our gratitude for your thoughts and prayers
Message-ID: <ACB223B8482A43B3ABFE641C311364DA@labarre>

    Greetings:

Those of us at CCB and in the NFB Colorado community want to express our great gratitude for the tremendous show of love and support from throughout the nation.  I am sorry that  neither I nor Julie Deden can respond directly to all the messages directed personally to us.  There are just too many.  Regardless, your love and support have significantly helped us deal with this tragedy.  

As many of you know, the student who passed away is David Nanney who came to the Center from Baltimore.  His wife and family have been dealing with this as strongly and courageously as any could imagine.  They have expressed how much the Center meant to David and that they will be grateful for the independence it gave him.  We will be having a memorial for David  when our students return in January.  

The other two students are both in stable condition and still in the hospital.  Their injuries are serious in that both suffered several broken bones.  They will require varying levels of rehab and surgery.  However, both are expected to recover fully.

Again, we want to thank you for the tremendous kindness and love you have offered.  We will, of course, keep you informed as the information warrants.  We have had  quite a few losses in the NFB community this year, Ray McGeorge earlier this year and Priscilla Mckinnelly just recently, to name just a few.  The spirit of all who have passed lives strongly within  us, though.  As we look forward to 2011, let us not forget that spirit and continue to work harder than ever before to make tomorrow a better day for the blind of our nation.  From all of here in Colorado, we wish you the best of this holiday season and may peace be with us all.
God bless,
Scott

From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 19 16:52:40 2010
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:52:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS2AD79F8DCE6ACABF755CEBA180@phx.gbl>

FYI.

 

Liz

 

email: 

 <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com 

Visit my LiveJournal: 

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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 18:51:07 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 13:51:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Deck The Halls With The Djd Invasion Tonight
Message-ID: <88E211F0A81E4867AD07C3F09BD1153D@AudioShockWave>

Either just before or just after tonight's nabs conference call, check out the following:

Greetings All!
Well, we've been talking about the Holiday Giveaway we've been doing since November.
And now, it all comes together tonight, when The Djd Invasion Holiday Special that traditionally airs every year goes down live tonight, starting at 7 PM eastern.
Join us for
Great music
Some traditional, and a few not so traditional
We draw the prize winners for all donations received!
We interact with you
And so much more...
To get in touch during the show, you can
AOL Instant Messege me at
djdrocks
MSN is
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
which is also the email
Skype is
thedjdinvasion
to skype in and participate, or you can dial in by phone at
516-302-4430
You can still send an audio dedication to that special someone by calling
1-206-309-7120
or donate to The Make A Wish Foundation up til 8 PM eastern tonight and put yourself in the running for one of our fabulous prizes at
http://djd.icastcenter.com/giveaway.html
and to listen between 7 PM eastern and the end of the night, go to
http://djd.icastcenter.com/listen.html
Hope to see you all there. The link will work when the show begins!
So spread that Christmas cheer, and let's have a Happy Holidays rockin good time and show the online world why the Christmas Djd Invasions have always been so special!
>From David Dunphy

From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 19 19:06:04 2010
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 13:06:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbnet-master-list] comprehensive math survey
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS18D7FB4D3F5BBB5DD0F181BA180@phx.gbl>

FYI. I think this is what I wanted to send earlier when I sent a message
with no subject and just 'fyi' in the body with my signature. I have
absolutely no idea how I did that. My apologies... I checked, and the
original message is actually below!

Take care,

Liz

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-----Original Message-----
From: nfbnet-master-list-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfbnet-master-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Al Maneki (by
way of David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:05 PM
To: nfbnet-master-list at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Nfbnet-master-list] comprehensive math survey

HANDLING MATH IN BRAILLE? A SURVEY
By Al Maneki

 From the Editor: At the 2010 NFB convention in Dallas, Al Maneki moderated
a lively panel on access to mathematics classes by blind students. The
response to the panel was enthusiastic, but it raised a number of unanswered
questions. Al realized how little is actually known about how blind people
handle the many challenges of math. With the help of Judith Chwallow and
Mark Riccobono of the Jernigan Institute, he has compiled a series of survey
questions to help us learn more.

How do blind and visually impaired people read and do mathematics? I address
this question to any blind person who has studied math at any level, or who
uses math regularly in his or her work.

Technology makes Braille materials more available than ever before. 
However, it is unclear whether the greater availability of Braille extends
to the field of mathematics. Even if mathematical materials are available in
Braille, the question remains of how blind and visually impaired people
actually perform mathematical tasks--solve problems; prove theorems; take
tests; and write papers, dissertations, and books. How do blind and visually
impaired people communicate mathematically with others?

As a blind person, I have studied and worked as a mathematician for my
entire adult life. I have answered the above questions for my own situation.
Yet it is clear to me that mine are not the only answers. 
We know that a number of blind and visually impaired people have done and
are currently doing mathematics, but we have no systematic information about
the methods they find most useful. To help the blind community, we need to
gather answers from a number of people with a variety of experiences. We
plan to organize and summarize these answers and publish the results in a
form that will be helpful to teachers, parents, students, and blind adults.

With the help of Judy Chwallow, Director of Research at the NFB Jernigan
Institute, I have compiled a set of questions that I would like to circulate
as widely as possible. If you wish to furnish answers to some or all of
these questions, please send your responses to me. While this is an informal
survey, I believe that the responses we receive will prove valuable to many
people.

Who Should Complete This Survey?

We would like to hear from any blind or visually impaired person who has
taken or is taking at least one math or math-based science course at the
secondary or postsecondary school level. We would also like to hear from any
parent or teacher who has advised or assisted a blind or visually impaired
child with at least one math or math-based science course. Furthermore, we
are interested in students' 
experiences learning geometry or elementary school arithmetic.

There is no restriction on when or how long ago you or your child took a
math course. We want to learn about the methods of handling math that worked
best for you. We are equally interested in methods that were not
particularly successful or useful.

If you or your child are considering taking math courses at any level, you
should read these survey questions. They may help you get the information
you need to complete your courses successfully.

Instructions

In your responses, please provide me with contact information (name,
address, email, phone) so that I may reach you for possible clarifications
and follow-up interviews. Please also include your age (closest to 5-year
multiples, i.e.  20-25, 25-30 etc); the highest level of education you have
completed; your primary reading medium; your current employment status and
job title.

You need not answer all of the questions, since some of them may not be
relevant to your experience. You do not have to answer questions separately.
You may provide a narrative summary for your response to this survey.

If you require additional information about these questions, please get in
touch with me. You may contact me by email, phone, or snail mail. My contact
information appears at the end of the survey.

You may submit your responses by email or snail mail (Braille or print
please, no audio) to the addresses shown below. Please complete this survey
by April 15, 2011. Persons taking courses after this date may respond later,
as I anticipate a continuation of this survey.

Your answers will not be used to judge your mathematical strengths or
weaknesses. Any personal information you may reveal in your responses will
remain confidential. Names, mailing addresses, email addresses, and phone
numbers will not be distributed.

Survey Questions

Here are the questions to consider:

1.  What math or math-based science courses have you taken (elementary,
secondary, community college/university, graduate school)? Specify the level
of each course, and describe the subject matter that was included.

2.  Were classroom lectures useful to you? Since mathematics is generally
communicated visually, tell us as specifically as you can what you actually
learned from these lectures. If lectures were not helpful, tell us what you
did to compensate for the missing information.

3.  Were you able to take classroom notes? If so, tell us what method you
used: large print, hardcopy Braille, electronic or live notetakers, audio
recordings, etc.

4.  How did you handle reading assignments? Tell us about your use of
Braille textbooks, recorded textbooks, large print textbooks, or the use of
live readers or tutors.

5.  How did you do homework assignments and take tests? Describe your use of
large print, notetakers, hardcopy Braille, mental arithmetic, or dictation
to a live reader. If you used Braille, describe your method of translating
Braille into a medium accessible to instructors who do not know Braille. If
you used Braille/print reverse translation software of any kind, describe
how this worked. In your answer to this question, tell us about any
additional devices and technologies you have used, i.e., older devices such
as the Taylor Slate, Cube-a-Rithm Slate, Circular Slide Rule, and Cranmer
Abacus; and newer devices such as talking calculators or specialized
learning software.

6.  Have you written papers containing mathematical content in an academic
or professional setting? Describe how you did this, especially the use of
human support.

7.  How did you work with line drawings, graphs, or charts? Explain how
these were described to you or produced in accessible formats. If you had to
construct these items, tell us how you accomplished this task.

8.  How familiar are you with the Nemeth Braille code? Describe the extent
to which you use it for reading or writing.

9.  Are there any tools/devices/aids that you wish you had had that would
have enhanced your mathematical experiences?

10.  How satisfied are you with your mathematical experiences? Are there
other comments you would like to make about how blind and visually impaired
people may read and do mathematics?

Conclusion

This is an informal survey. I am conducting it with the intention of using
the results to help others who will be taking math and math-based science
courses in the future. The results of this survey, after they have been
compiled, may also prove useful to people who are accustomed to doing math
in their own ways. These folks may find new ways of working more
productively. It could further turn out that these responses will suggest
altogether different ways of doing math, either by refining methods already
in use or by suggesting the development of new techniques and technologies.
I fervently hope that over time this survey will make it possible for blind
and visually impaired people to learn and do mathematics more efficiently
and with greater ease.

I plan to compile the first set of responses (received by April 15,
2011) into an article, ideally for publication in the newly established
Journal of Blindness Innovation and Research. It is also my hope that this
survey will be a continuing investigation. 
Additional articles pertaining to this survey will be published if they are
warranted.

In preparing this article and survey, I received valuable help from Deborah
Kent Stein, Editor of Future Reflections, and from Mark Riccobono and Judith
Chwalow of the NFB Jernigan Institute. Although they have left their marks
on this article and survey, I assume responsibility for all shortcomings,
errors, and omissions.

I thank you in advance for helping me with this survey. I look forward to
hearing from you.

Al Maneki
Email:  apmaneki at earthlink.net
(443) 745-9274  CELL
9013 Nelson Way, Columbia, MD 21045





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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Dec 19 19:20:58 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:20:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A new iPhone game
Message-ID: <91FFA38F-1622-4233-85B3-DF40CD192954@gmail.com>

For anyone out there who has an iPhone 4, iPhone 3G S, iPod touch 4th gen or iPad, a new audiogame recently appeared on the App store. It's called Papa Sangre and is completely accessible to us, even though it's not necessarily meant for the blind. It will only work with the devices I mentioned above. It's definitely worth the $6 it costs.

IC

From knownoflove at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 17:14:07 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:14:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
Message-ID: <4d0f8e12.c43edc0a.12a5.31e8@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
Thanks in advance, and have a great week!

In Christ, Miranda


From aec732 at msn.com  Mon Dec 20 18:21:11 2010
From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:21:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Update from RFB&D on Read Hear app
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1292781609.12178.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.21.1292781609.12178.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <COL123-W637E8D318F0258C25035E794190@phx.gbl>


Dear NABS,
RFB&D ReadHear (free DAISY software) for PC does have variable speed control; the Mac version of ReadHear does not. For more information on ReadHear visit www.rfbd.org/readhear 
 
In reference to the “app”; RFB&D is currently working to develop an app to play DAISY content on the iPod touch, iPad and iPhone. We hope to have this application available in early 2011. The “app” will have variable speed control on the Apple products.  Visit www.rfbd.org/help for a complete list of FAQs and all your training and support needs.
 Hope to see you in DC next month!
Annemarie Cooke 		 	   		  

From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 20:03:47 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:03:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
In-Reply-To: <4d0f8e12.c43edc0a.12a5.31e8@mx.google.com>
References: <4d0f8e12.c43edc0a.12a5.31e8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <86EF749A09754CDAAD042F6AA96181D2@SonyPC>

In my opinion, the most important part of making classes accessible is 
having a good working relationship with the professor. Without this, nothing 
else you do will work. For math, I would suggest you have some method of 
being able to show your work in print. This way, you will be able to either 
go to the professor's office hours, or a student tutor to get help. There 
are several methods of doing this on the computer without vision.

For biology, working with a lab partner or assistant that will act as your 
eyes is crucial. You don't want the lab partner or assistant doing the work 
for you, just assisting with the visual components.

This is all I can think of for now,
Merry Christmas
Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda" <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?


> Hi,
> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. 
> I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, 
> trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 20:28:33 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:28:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
In-Reply-To: <4d0f8e12.c43edc0a.12a5.31e8@mx.google.com>
References: <4d0f8e12.c43edc0a.12a5.31e8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A066242B-438E-4CFB-A529-894FA1DD41E5@gmail.com>

For the math class, try to make sure to find a way to show your work in print to the professor. I would suggest using LateX but if you haven't used it in the past it might be a little hard to learn it on time for your class if it's starting this spring semester. Although now that I think about it, many classes end up making you choose an answer on multiple choice exams, so as long as you can do stuff in your mind you should be OK. Also, when it comes to geometry, trigonometry, calculus and anything that requires graphical representations, you will have to see how much of it you can just imagine in your head. I have completed five calculus classes in college without using a single graph other than the ones I had to use to answer particular exam questions, because I have a good idea in my mind of how these things are supposed to look. Also, college professors too often will give you graphical methods to solve problems, because that's what works best for most students. But many times the same things can be done numerically, which is much faster for me because I can do it in my mind or by typing my calculations on the computer if they are too complex. I am not a math major and only took the whole calculus sequence for fun, so I don't know what else you can find in math college classes. In any case, I never tried to get exactly what other students get in terms of materials. If there are a bunch of graphs that I know I won't use, why bother?
Just my opinion...

IC
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Miranda wrote:

> Hi,
> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
> 
> In Christ, Miranda
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com



From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 20:25:56 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:25:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Djd Invasion Holiday Special Airs For Real This Time
Message-ID: <564B44C682FD4693AB5196F0CC3E9B03@AudioShockWave>

Hi!
I want to apologize for posting about this again, but as the show had more problems than a math book getting off the ground last night, we were forced to move things to tonight. So with that in mind, I give you the following piece of information:
Greetings All!
Well, Murphy and his law of entropy decided to crash The Djd Invasion Christmas party last night, resulting in the show going to hell.
So tonight, I think we've chased away the gremlins, and we're going to air The We Need A Little Christmas Djd Invasion Holiday Party tonight beginning at 7 PM eastern.
Through the gift of music, listener interaction, and of course, the prize drawing winners for those who donated to our Make A Wish Fund Raiser, going til tonight at 8 PM eastern
http://djd.icastcenter.com/giveaway.html
where we've raised 1176 dollars up to this point, this promises to be a holiday celebration you won't soon forget.
Fund raiser donations will close at 8 PM eastern tonight!
To get in touch during the show, you can
AOL Instant Messege me at
djdrocks
MSN is
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
which is also the email
Skype is
thedjdinvasion
to skype in and participate, or you can dial in by phone at
516-302-4430
You can still send an audio dedication to that special someone by calling
1-206-309-7120
So, if you want me to bring a little holiday into your life, at any time between 7 PM eastern tonight and the end of the night, head on over to
http://djd.icastcenter.com/listen.html
and join in the fun!
>From David Dunphy

From knownoflove at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 21:46:00 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:46:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
Message-ID: <4d0fcdcb.da31dc0a.6a7f.3f25@mx.google.com>

Hi Mark,
I am proficient in computers, and I also have a Pac Mate. What are some of the ways that may work best for showing my work in print? Excel, Word, ETC?
I completely agree with the sighted biology lab assistance and good working relationship with the professor as well.
Thanks so much, and Merry Christmas to you too!

In Christ, Miranda

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J. Cadigan <kramc11 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?

In my opinion, the most important part of making classes accessible is 
having a good working relationship with the professor. Without this, nothing 
else you do will work. For math, I would suggest you have some method of 
being able to show your work in print. This way, you will be able to either 
go to the professor's office hours, or a student tutor to get help. There 
are several methods of doing this on the computer without vision.

For biology, working with a lab partner or assistant that will act as your 
eyes is crucial. You don't want the lab partner or assistant doing the work 
for you, just assisting with the visual components.

This is all I can think of for now,
Merry Christmas
Mark


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda" <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 12:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?


> Hi,
> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. 
> I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, 
> trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 21:46:03 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:46:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
Message-ID: <4d0fcdce.da31dc0a.6a7f.3f27@mx.google.com>

Hi IC,
How can I determine the numerical formulas for the problems in which the professor gives the graphical solutions?
I  actually won't start college until next Fall, so I'll look into the software you mentioned.
I was never too good at reading graphs in high school, so it could be interesting to try and figure them out in my mind. I've been Blind since birth, so have no rememberance of visual representations.
Thanks, and have a great week!

In Christ, Miranda

-----Original Message-----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?

For the math class, try to make sure to find a way to show your work in print to the professor. I would suggest using LateX but if you haven't used it in the past it might be a little hard to learn it on time for your class if it's starting this spring semester. Although now that I think about it, many classes end up making you choose an answer on multiple choice exams, so as long as you can do stuff in your mind you should be OK. Also, when it comes to geometry, trigonometry, calculus and anything that requires graphical representations, you will have to see how much of it you can just imagine in your head. I have completed five calculus classes in college without using a single graph other than the ones I had to use to answer particular exam questions, because I have a good idea in my mind of how these things are supposed to look. Also, college professors too often will give you graphical methods to solve problems, because that's what works best for most students. But many times the same things can be done numerically, which is much faster for me because I can do it in my mind or by typing my calculations on the computer if they are too complex. I am not a math major and only took the whole calculus sequence for fun, so I don't know what else you can find in math college classes. In any case, I never tried to get exactly what other students get in terms of materials. If there are a bunch of graphs that I know I won't use, why bother?
Just my opinion...

IC
On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Miranda wrote:

> Hi,
> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
> 
> In Christ, Miranda
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 00:33:09 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:33:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Sleep Disorders Research
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHuh_3mFXrE=932DZr2qhytNF=7YG1SYu6kx-q@mail.gmail.com>

I have been asked to post the following:
Below is an announcement about upcoming sleep studies that some
individuals who are blind may be interested in:



We are currently launching clinical trials to test a new experimental
treatment for individuals who are blind and who suffer from a sleep
disorder known as Non-24 Hour Sleep Wake Disorder. In the US, this
disorder affects approximately 65,000 totally blind individuals who have
this disorder because they lack the light sensitivity necessary to reset
their "body clock".







Clinical Research Study Recruitment

Blind individuals with no light perception needed.



A local doctor is conducting research to evaluate a new

investigational treatment for insomnia and daytime

sleepiness in individuals who are totally blind.



Individuals may qualify who:

* are between 18 and 75 years of age

* are blind with no light perception

* have trouble sleeping at night or experience daytime sleepiness



Participants will be compensated for their time and effort and will
receive study medication and study-related medical evaluation at no
cost.



For more information

Call 1-888-389-7033

M-F 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM ET





Thank you so much for taking the time to assist us in this outreach
effort!



Warm Regards,



Sara





Sara Dale

Clinical Research Associate

9605 Medical Center Dr

Suite 300

Rockville, MD 20850

Tel: 240.599.4523

Mobile: 301.768.6036

Fax: 301.294.1900

Email: sara.dale at vandapharma.com <mailto:sara.dale at vandapharma.com>






-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 07:23:39 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 02:23:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
In-Reply-To: <4d0fcdce.da31dc0a.6a7f.3f27@mx.google.com>
References: <4d0fcdce.da31dc0a.6a7f.3f27@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6FAE4155-C9DB-43FF-8C60-DFA1603DDAE0@gmail.com>

LateX is similar to a programming language. It basically allows you to type any scientific text using plain text, and there are several tools which will allow you to compile the code and build a PDF file (or something else) which a sighted person can look at. Equations and other things will look graphically perfect, pretty much as if it was a textbook.
I would say most of the time you just have to understand what you're doing, instead of just doing whatever the professor tells you to do in order to solve problems. Especially in lower level math classes in college they tend to simplify things a lot... Whenever you see this, you do this and you'll get the right answer. I had taken lots of calculus in high school so when I got to college classes I already had my way of doing things. But you can always ask the professor to help you find numerical ways of doing many things. An example which comes to my mind is some simple integrals which can be calculated by figuring out an area under the curve. Sometimes that's very simple, but if one knows how to integrate an equation directly, then there's no need of graphs. In any case, I am not saying that graphs are completely useless and sometimes you will have no choice and you will have to use them. And sometimes, they will be very useful for blind people also. Sighted people use graphs for many purposes and we still need to be proficient at understanding them, because sometimes it's the only way either because problems are designed to be resolved graphically or for several other reasons. I only described my way of working, although I am sure many blind people out there enjoy working with graphs much more than I do. Basically I have no problem with them, but if I can do things without, I do.

Ignasi
On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Miranda wrote:

> Hi IC,
> How can I determine the numerical formulas for the problems in which the professor gives the graphical solutions?
> I  actually won't start college until next Fall, so I'll look into the software you mentioned.
> I was never too good at reading graphs in high school, so it could be interesting to try and figure them out in my mind. I've been Blind since birth, so have no rememberance of visual representations.
> Thanks, and have a great week!
> 
> In Christ, Miranda
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
> 
> For the math class, try to make sure to find a way to show your work in print to the professor. I would suggest using LateX but if you haven't used it in the past it might be a little hard to learn it on time for your class if it's starting this spring semester. Although now that I think about it, many classes end up making you choose an answer on multiple choice exams, so as long as you can do stuff in your mind you should be OK. Also, when it comes to geometry, trigonometry, calculus and anything that requires graphical representations, you will have to see how much of it you can just imagine in your head. I have completed five calculus classes in college without using a single graph other than the ones I had to use to answer particular exam questions, because I have a good idea in my mind of how these things are supposed to look. Also, college professors too often will give you graphical methods to solve problems, because that's what works best for most students. But many times the same things can be done numerically, which is much faster for me because I can do it in my mind or by typing my calculations on the computer if they are too complex. I am not a math major and only took the whole calculus sequence for fun, so I don't know what else you can find in math college classes. In any case, I never tried to get exactly what other students get in terms of materials. If there are a bunch of graphs that I know I won't use, why bother?
> Just my opinion...
> 
> IC
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Miranda wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
>> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
>> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
>> 
>> In Christ, Miranda
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com
> 
> 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 18:28:55 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:28:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Winter 2010 Student Slate!
Message-ID: <AANLkTinWSq+7sjm2Wk=Fc=YenBUvzDLuAHgwCUU8_X3P@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all!

Please find attached another inspiring issue of the NABS quarterly
publication, the Student Slate. Once again, special thanks to our
Slate editorial committee, chaired by Karen Anderson, Domonique
Lawless, and Sean Whalen, for assembling our newsletter.

Happy holidays, and enjoy,
Arielle
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 18:48:29 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 13:48:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
Message-ID: <4d10f5ae.4407dc0a.07c8.3540@mx.google.com>

Hi Ignasi,
Thanks so much! We are reading through the LateX installer PDF file.
I'll be curious to experiment with this, and to also explore numerical ways of solving problems usually solved graphicly.
Thanks again, and have a great day!

In Christ, Miranda

-----Original Message-----
From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:23 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?

LateX is similar to a programming language. It basically allows you to type any scientific text using plain text, and there are several tools which will allow you to compile the code and build a PDF file (or something else) which a sighted person can look at. Equations and other things will look graphically perfect, pretty much as if it was a textbook.
I would say most of the time you just have to understand what you're doing, instead of just doing whatever the professor tells you to do in order to solve problems. Especially in lower level math classes in college they tend to simplify things a lot... Whenever you see this, you do this and you'll get the right answer. I had taken lots of calculus in high school so when I got to college classes I already had my way of doing things. But you can always ask the professor to help you find numerical ways of doing many things. An example which comes to my mind is some simple integrals which can be calculated by figuring out an area under the curve. Sometimes that's very simple, but if one knows how to integrate an equation directly, then there's no need of graphs. In any case, I am not saying that graphs are completely useless and sometimes you will have no choice and you will have to use them. And sometimes, they will be very useful for blind people also. Sighted people use graphs for many purposes and we still need to be proficient at understanding them, because sometimes it's the only way either because problems are designed to be resolved graphically or for several other reasons. I only described my way of working, although I am sure many blind people out there enjoy working with graphs much more than I do. Basically I have no problem with them, but if I can do things without, I do.

Ignasi
On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Miranda wrote:

> Hi IC,
> How can I determine the numerical formulas for the problems in which the professor gives the graphical solutions?
> I  actually won't start college until next Fall, so I'll look into the software you mentioned.
> I was never too good at reading graphs in high school, so it could be interesting to try and figure them out in my mind. I've been Blind since birth, so have no rememberance of visual representations.
> Thanks, and have a great week!
> 
> In Christ, Miranda
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
> 
> For the math class, try to make sure to find a way to show your work in print to the professor. I would suggest using LateX but if you haven't used it in the past it might be a little hard to learn it on time for your class if it's starting this spring semester. Although now that I think about it, many classes end up making you choose an answer on multiple choice exams, so as long as you can do stuff in your mind you should be OK. Also, when it comes to geometry, trigonometry, calculus and anything that requires graphical representations, you will have to see how much of it you can just imagine in your head. I have completed five calculus classes in college without using a single graph other than the ones I had to use to answer particular exam questions, because I have a good idea in my mind of how these things are supposed to look. Also, college professors too often will give you graphical methods to solve problems, because that's what works best for most students. But many times the same things can be done numerically, which is much faster for me because I can do it in my mind or by typing my calculations on the computer if they are too complex. I am not a math major and only took the whole calculus sequence for fun, so I don't know what else you can find in math college classes. In any case, I never tried to get exactly what other students get in terms of materials. If there are a bunch of graphs that I know I won't use, why bother?
> Just my opinion...
> 
> IC
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Miranda wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college. I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry, trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
>> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
>> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
>> 
>> In Christ, Miranda
>> 
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:01:48 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:01:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question
Message-ID: <4d10f8cb.cafdd80a.5bde.ffffcced@mx.google.com>

Hi,
We're trying to install LateX. The installer is a PDF file that also serves as the install guide. After each section they expect you to click a link in the PDF file that will run the appropriate installer. When doing so, I get a system message from Adobe Reader X (Version 10) that says, "The file (insert LateX installer file name) is being ran from this PDF file which is currently disallowed by the system administrator. Contact them for help." We have admin rights on our computer (this is our home PC running Windows XP Home SP3). How do we change the setting in Adobe PDF to allow the LateX installer file to run?
Thanks, and have a great day!

In Christ, Miranda


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:44:07 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:44:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question
References: <4d10f8cb.cafdd80a.5bde.ffffcced@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1A3289BDBC5D4011A837C84E545D6217@hometwxakonvzn>

Miranda, Are you in high school or collage, and are you on skype? My skype 
name is smallistbaby1979
RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda" <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question


> Hi,
> We're trying to install LateX. The installer is a PDF file that also 
> serves as the install guide. After each section they expect you to click a 
> link in the PDF file that will run the appropriate installer. When doing 
> so, I get a system message from Adobe Reader X (Version 10) that says, 
> "The file (insert LateX installer file name) is being ran from this PDF 
> file which is currently disallowed by the system administrator. Contact 
> them for help." We have admin rights on our computer (this is our home PC 
> running Windows XP Home SP3). How do we change the setting in Adobe PDF to 
> allow the LateX installer file to run?
> Thanks, and have a great day!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 19:59:07 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:59:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Priorities
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinWSq+7sjm2Wk=Fc=YenBUvzDLuAHgwCUU8_X3P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinWSq+7sjm2Wk=Fc=YenBUvzDLuAHgwCUU8_X3P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3619B34F6E2844AC90EB3956B0EF3645@Rufus>

Hello,

Excellent newsletter NABS put out recently.  It was a nice break from my
current batch of federal proposals.  I was curious about a couple things.
Maybe someone can help teach or clarify.

First, my understanding was that Washington Seminar is an opportunity to
educate Congress, not lobby it.  There are IRS provisions regulating this to
certain nonprofit categories.  Has this changed?

Second, why are we pursuing the Technology Bill of Rights when instead we
could be pushing hard to ensure that the 21st Century Communications bill is
properly enforced?  I felt the nature of our NFB bill was ultimately
embodied in the latter.

Thanks for any information.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 



From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 20:17:08 2010
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:17:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
In-Reply-To: <4d10f5ae.4407dc0a.07c8.3540@mx.google.com>
References: <4d10f5ae.4407dc0a.07c8.3540@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikRYbfWrjDRRKMSu8DXcGx8iYjMAbLeAUe6rAGR@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Miranda,
  As others have said, LaTex is probably the best way of showing your
work in math, so it is definitely worth learning if you are planning
to pursue a math-related field of study. For the course you will be
taking in the spring, I think that showing your work in MS Word may be
the best bet. You will need to work out a system to express all the
notations in text, as the Equation Editor is not accessible. Some of
my professors in college found this system of notation cumbersome and
hard to read, so I hired a scribe to write out my work as I dictated
(from my braille copy) for those classes. If you are used to doing
calculations in Nemeth braille, you can work out problems on your Pac
Mate, and Excel can come in handy as a very powerful calculator. Hope
this helps!
    Katie

On 12/21/10, Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ignasi,
> Thanks so much! We are reading through the LateX installer PDF file.
> I'll be curious to experiment with this, and to also explore numerical ways
> of solving problems usually solved graphicly.
> Thanks again, and have a great day!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:23 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
>
> LateX is similar to a programming language. It basically allows you to type
> any scientific text using plain text, and there are several tools which will
> allow you to compile the code and build a PDF file (or something else) which
> a sighted person can look at. Equations and other things will look
> graphically perfect, pretty much as if it was a textbook.
> I would say most of the time you just have to understand what you're doing,
> instead of just doing whatever the professor tells you to do in order to
> solve problems. Especially in lower level math classes in college they tend
> to simplify things a lot... Whenever you see this, you do this and you'll
> get the right answer. I had taken lots of calculus in high school so when I
> got to college classes I already had my way of doing things. But you can
> always ask the professor to help you find numerical ways of doing many
> things. An example which comes to my mind is some simple integrals which can
> be calculated by figuring out an area under the curve. Sometimes that's very
> simple, but if one knows how to integrate an equation directly, then there's
> no need of graphs. In any case, I am not saying that graphs are completely
> useless and sometimes you will have no choice and you will have to use them.
> And sometimes, they will be very useful for blind people also. Sighted
> people use graphs for many purposes and we still need to be proficient at
> understanding them, because sometimes it's the only way either because
> problems are designed to be resolved graphically or for several other
> reasons. I only described my way of working, although I am sure many blind
> people out there enjoy working with graphs much more than I do. Basically I
> have no problem with them, but if I can do things without, I do.
>
> Ignasi
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Miranda wrote:
>
>> Hi IC,
>> How can I determine the numerical formulas for the problems in which the
>> professor gives the graphical solutions?
>> I  actually won't start college until next Fall, so I'll look into the
>> software you mentioned.
>> I was never too good at reading graphs in high school, so it could be
>> interesting to try and figure them out in my mind. I've been Blind since
>> birth, so have no rememberance of visual representations.
>> Thanks, and have a great week!
>>
>> In Christ, Miranda
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
>>
>> For the math class, try to make sure to find a way to show your work in
>> print to the professor. I would suggest using LateX but if you haven't
>> used it in the past it might be a little hard to learn it on time for your
>> class if it's starting this spring semester. Although now that I think
>> about it, many classes end up making you choose an answer on multiple
>> choice exams, so as long as you can do stuff in your mind you should be
>> OK. Also, when it comes to geometry, trigonometry, calculus and anything
>> that requires graphical representations, you will have to see how much of
>> it you can just imagine in your head. I have completed five calculus
>> classes in college without using a single graph other than the ones I had
>> to use to answer particular exam questions, because I have a good idea in
>> my mind of how these things are supposed to look. Also, college professors
>> too often will give you graphical methods to solve problems, because
>> that's what works best for most students. But many times the same things
>> can be done numerically, which is much faster for me because I can do it
>> in my mind or by typing my calculations on the computer if they are too
>> complex. I am not a math major and only took the whole calculus sequence
>> for fun, so I don't know what else you can find in math college classes.
>> In any case, I never tried to get exactly what other students get in terms
>> of materials. If there are a bunch of graphs that I know I won't use, why
>> bother?
>> Just my opinion...
>>
>> IC
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Miranda wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college.
>>> I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry,
>>> trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
>>> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
>>> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
>>>
>>> In Christ, Miranda
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 21:33:35 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:33:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question
Message-ID: <4d111c5f.9259e60a.28f8.723e@mx.google.com>

Hi RJ,
I'm going into college next Fall, and I don't use Skype too often. Sorry!

In Christ, Miranda

-----Original Message-----
From: RJ Sandefur <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question

Miranda, Are you in high school or collage, and are you on skype? My skype 
name is smallistbaby1979
RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miranda" <knownoflove at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:01 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question


> Hi,
> We're trying to install LateX. The installer is a PDF file that also 
> serves as the install guide. After each section they expect you to click a 
> link in the PDF file that will run the appropriate installer. When doing 
> so, I get a system message from Adobe Reader X (Version 10) that says, 
> "The file (insert LateX installer file name) is being ran from this PDF 
> file which is currently disallowed by the system administrator. Contact 
> them for help." We have admin rights on our computer (this is our home PC 
> running Windows XP Home SP3). How do we change the setting in Adobe PDF to 
> allow the LateX installer file to run?
> Thanks, and have a great day!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
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From knownoflove at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 21:33:41 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 16:33:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
Message-ID: <4d111c65.9259e60a.28f8.7242@mx.google.com>

Hi Katie,
I'll actually be taking this class next Fall at the earliest. I'm not going in to amath-related field. However, this class is part of my general Ed requirements. *Cringe* It's either this or a higher-level statistics class. I did well in Algebra in high school, but NEVER touched trig or pre-calc! Ahhhhh! Time to do some crash course work in trig, geometry, pre-calc and a refresher in Algebra!
I'm working to install LateX so I can become familiar with it. My husband does computer and web programming, so he is familiar with programming lingo.
I used Excel in my Applied Math class back in high school, and I plan to take Hadley's Excel course as a refresher in that.
Thanks, and have a great day!

In Christ, Miranda

-----Original Message-----
From: Katie Wang <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 3:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?

Hi, Miranda,
  As others have said, LaTex is probably the best way of showing your
work in math, so it is definitely worth learning if you are planning
to pursue a math-related field of study. For the course you will be
taking in the spring, I think that showing your work in MS Word may be
the best bet. You will need to work out a system to express all the
notations in text, as the Equation Editor is not accessible. Some of
my professors in college found this system of notation cumbersome and
hard to read, so I hired a scribe to write out my work as I dictated
(from my braille copy) for those classes. If you are used to doing
calculations in Nemeth braille, you can work out problems on your Pac
Mate, and Excel can come in handy as a very powerful calculator. Hope
this helps!
    Katie

On 12/21/10, Miranda <knownoflove at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ignasi,
> Thanks so much! We are reading through the LateX installer PDF file.
> I'll be curious to experiment with this, and to also explore numerical ways
> of solving problems usually solved graphicly.
> Thanks again, and have a great day!
>
> In Christ, Miranda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 2:23 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
>
> LateX is similar to a programming language. It basically allows you to type
> any scientific text using plain text, and there are several tools which will
> allow you to compile the code and build a PDF file (or something else) which
> a sighted person can look at. Equations and other things will look
> graphically perfect, pretty much as if it was a textbook.
> I would say most of the time you just have to understand what you're doing,
> instead of just doing whatever the professor tells you to do in order to
> solve problems. Especially in lower level math classes in college they tend
> to simplify things a lot... Whenever you see this, you do this and you'll
> get the right answer. I had taken lots of calculus in high school so when I
> got to college classes I already had my way of doing things. But you can
> always ask the professor to help you find numerical ways of doing many
> things. An example which comes to my mind is some simple integrals which can
> be calculated by figuring out an area under the curve. Sometimes that's very
> simple, but if one knows how to integrate an equation directly, then there's
> no need of graphs. In any case, I am not saying that graphs are completely
> useless and sometimes you will have no choice and you will have to use them.
> And sometimes, they will be very useful for blind people also. Sighted
> people use graphs for many purposes and we still need to be proficient at
> understanding them, because sometimes it's the only way either because
> problems are designed to be resolved graphically or for several other
> reasons. I only described my way of working, although I am sure many blind
> people out there enjoy working with graphs much more than I do. Basically I
> have no problem with them, but if I can do things without, I do.
>
> Ignasi
> On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:46 PM, Miranda wrote:
>
>> Hi IC,
>> How can I determine the numerical formulas for the problems in which the
>> professor gives the graphical solutions?
>> I  actually won't start college until next Fall, so I'll look into the
>> software you mentioned.
>> I was never too good at reading graphs in high school, so it could be
>> interesting to try and figure them out in my mind. I've been Blind since
>> birth, so have no rememberance of visual representations.
>> Thanks, and have a great week!
>>
>> In Christ, Miranda
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 3:28 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making college Biology and math accessible?
>>
>> For the math class, try to make sure to find a way to show your work in
>> print to the professor. I would suggest using LateX but if you haven't
>> used it in the past it might be a little hard to learn it on time for your
>> class if it's starting this spring semester. Although now that I think
>> about it, many classes end up making you choose an answer on multiple
>> choice exams, so as long as you can do stuff in your mind you should be
>> OK. Also, when it comes to geometry, trigonometry, calculus and anything
>> that requires graphical representations, you will have to see how much of
>> it you can just imagine in your head. I have completed five calculus
>> classes in college without using a single graph other than the ones I had
>> to use to answer particular exam questions, because I have a good idea in
>> my mind of how these things are supposed to look. Also, college professors
>> too often will give you graphical methods to solve problems, because
>> that's what works best for most students. But many times the same things
>> can be done numerically, which is much faster for me because I can do it
>> in my mind or by typing my calculations on the computer if they are too
>> complex. I am not a math major and only took the whole calculus sequence
>> for fun, so I don't know what else you can find in math college classes.
>> In any case, I never tried to get exactly what other students get in terms
>> of materials. If there are a bunch of graphs that I know I won't use, why
>> bother?
>> Just my opinion...
>>
>> IC
>> On Dec 20, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Miranda wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have no useable vision, and I'll be taking a Biology course in college.
>>> I'll also be taking a math course that covers Algebra, geometry,
>>> trigonometry and Pre-calculus.
>>> Any ideas on how my professors and I can make these courses accessible?
>>> Thanks in advance, and have a great week!
>>>
>>> In Christ, Miranda
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 22:24:21 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 17:24:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] LateX installer/Adobe PDF question
In-Reply-To: <4d10f8cb.cafdd80a.5bde.ffffcced@mx.google.com>
References: <4d10f8cb.cafdd80a.5bde.ffffcced@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <841DB3CC-8386-49D7-B424-61577B1262AC@gmail.com>

Hello,
Let me try to clarify things a little bit... First of all, I haven't used lateX under Windows in a long time, so I apologize if any of this is wrong. You need to install the LateX compiler from www.latex-project.org. This is *not* a lateX editor, it will only compile .tex files written in plain text. For fun, you can just open notepad, write a couple of lines of code, save it as a .tex file and compile it. To compile, you can open a DOS prompt (in Windows XP, press windows key + r to open the run dialog and type cmd). At the DOS prompt, just type latex and the address for your .tex file. If there are no mistakes in your code, this should generate a file (sorry, forgot the format...maybe .dvi?or .msi?) which you can open in order to see the result.
Now, most people would rather use a LateX editor. I strongly recommend something called Texniccenter (www.texniccenter.org). Well, at least that's what I would have recommended three or four years ago when I used a Windows laptop in class. The last time I used it, Texniccenter even provided a checkbox in the preferences dialog to make the user interface accessible to screen reader users. And all I can say is that it worked well. YOu can type your LateX documents in Texniccenter and it will alert you whenever you have mistakes in the code, and help you fix them. It can also compile your document to several formats, including PDF. Just give it a try! An other good thing about Texniccenter is that it can help you whenever you forget how to write something in LateX. Mathematical signs and expressions are organized in menus and submenus, and you can find the one you want and it will appear for you, ready for you to enter numbers in it or next to it or wherever you want.
Oh, and this is obvious...but if you haven't installed LateX, installing Texniccenter will be impossible because without LateX, Texniccenter is...well...useless!
Good luck!

Ignasi
On Dec 21, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Miranda wrote:

> Hi,
> We're trying to install LateX. The installer is a PDF file that also serves as the install guide. After each section they expect you to click a link in the PDF file that will run the appropriate installer. When doing so, I get a system message from Adobe Reader X (Version 10) that says, "The file (insert LateX installer file name) is being ran from this PDF file which is currently disallowed by the system administrator. Contact them for help." We have admin rights on our computer (this is our home PC running Windows XP Home SP3). How do we change the setting in Adobe PDF to allow the LateX installer file to run?
> Thanks, and have a great day!
> 
> In Christ, Miranda
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 21 22:44:18 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 14:44:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nabs-l] CIEE South Korea Scholarship Program
Message-ID: <471814.32552.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I found this on Mobility International USA's webcite and thought I would pass it along for anyone who may be interested.
Mobility International USA is a international exchange organization which promotes the inclusion of people with disabilities in international exchange. It is a vary good organization and I would encourage to visit their webcite at
www.miusa.org

Exciting opportunity to study on an all-expenses paid exchange to Korea through CIEE! Selected participants will spend one week
in South Korea from March 19-26 2011.The application deadline is January 14, 2011. See if you qualify, and apply today!
CIEE South Korea Scholarship Program 
www.ciee.org
The South Korea Scholarship program is the perfect opportunity for students who do not have time to spend a full semester or academic year abroad, but are
looking for a short term opportunity to explore Korean culture.

Anmol





I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


      


From mbrianwooten at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 02:46:24 2010
From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:46:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
Message-ID: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.

Thanks,

-- 
Brian


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Wed Dec 22 03:40:38 2010
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 22:40:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
Message-ID: <20101222034038.31437.71225@domU-12-31-38-07-3C-65.compute-1.internal>

Brian,

If you have an iPhone, I'd recommend inClass; it's a homework manager, 
a class scheduling program, a contact list for your instructors, and a 
place to store multi-media class notes.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Hello all,

> I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
> easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
> overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
> good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
> are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.

> Thanks,

> --
> Brian

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From David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us  Wed Dec 22 10:35:40 2010
From: David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us (Andrews,
	David B B (DEED))
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:35:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: White House Internship Opportunity, Summer 2011
Message-ID: <auto-000187057682@mailfront1.g2host.com>


 From the White House Disability Group:



Please circulate to your networks.



We are writing to let you know that the White 
House Internship Program’s summer 2011 
application has been posted. The application 
deadline is Sunday, January 9. We hope that you 
can share the information with student leaders 
across your network. For more information and to 
apply, please visit 
<http://www.whitehouse.gov/internship>www.WhiteHouse.gov/internship.



This program will mentor and cultivate young 
leaders of today and tomorrow and I’m proud 
that they will have this opportunity to serve
I 
want to commend all who apply for their desire to 
help through public service to forge a brighter future for our country.”



—President Barack OObama, May 22, 2009



President Obama believes in the capacity of young 
people to move America forward. He is committed 
to providing young leaders from across the nation 
an opportunity to develop their leadership skills 
and fostering a continued commitment to public 
service through the White House Internship 
Program. This hands-on program is designed to 
mentor and cultivate today’s young leaders, 
strengthen their understanding of the Executive 
Office of the President and prepare them for future roles in public service.



To learn more about the program, please visit whitehouse.gov/internships.



How To Apply:



Go to: <http://www.whitehouse.gov/internships>www.whitehouse.gov/internships



A completed application includes:



two essays



three letters of recommendation



resume



The deadline for the Summer 2011 White House 
Internship Program is January 9, 2011

The White House · 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW 
· Washington DC 20500 · 202-456-1111



From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Dec 22 10:48:10 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:48:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Congratulates Blind
 Driver ChallengeT VIPs
Message-ID: <auto-000183455414@mailfront2.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org



National Federation of the Blind Congratulates
Blind Driver Challenge™ VIPs



Baltimore, Maryland (December 21, 2010): The 
National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the 
oldest and largest nationwide organization of 
blind people in the United States, today 
congratulated the ten Blind Driver Challenge™ 
VIPs who have been awarded trips to the public 
debut of a vehicle equipped with a nonvisual 
interface allowing a blind person to drive it 
independently.  The vehicle, a Ford Escape 
equipped with nonvisual interface technology, 
will be driven by a blind individual  who will 
navigate part of the famed Daytona International 
Speedway course on January 29, 2011, as part of 
the pre-race activities at the 2011 Rolex 24 At Daytona.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “We greatly 
appreciate the hard work of our VIPs, as well as 
our other Imagination Fund contributors.  With 
their help, we are able to create innovative 
research, training, education, and technology 
programs that improve the lives of the blind and 
move us closer to our ultimate goal of full 
integration into society on a basis of 
equality.  The Blind Driver Challenge™ is the 
perfect example of the type of innovative program 
we are able to bring about with the help of the 
Imagination Fund.  Our VIPs will truly be 
witnessing an historic event as we 
demonstr<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>ate the fruits of our efforts before the 
automobile enthusiasts and racing fans at the 
Rolex 24 At Daytona.  This demonstration will 
break down the wall of stereotypes and 
misconceptions that prevent our full integration 
into society by showing the public that the blind 
have the same capacities as everyone else.  Our 
only challenge is access to the information we need.”



Parnell Diggs, chairman of the Imagination Fund, 
said: “We congratulate our Blind Driver 
Challenge™ VIPs, and thank them for a job well 
done.  It is vital that we raise the funds we 
need to operate the programs of the National 
Federation of the Blind.  Those who registered to 
be Imaginators and raised at least $250 by 
December 15 have our gratitude.  Because of their 
efforts, we are off to a good start in the current campaign."



The ten VIPs won the honor of attending the Rolex 
24 At Daytona by raising at least $250 for the 
National Federation of the Blind Imagination 
Fund, which supports the education, technology, 
and research projects of the NFB Jernigan 
Institute, as well as programs conducted by the 
fifty-two affiliates and over seven-hundred local 
chapters of the Federation.  Four of the VIPs 
were chosen at the 2010 NFB National Convention 
in Dallas, and the other six were chosen last week.



The VIPs will receive roundtrip airfare, 
accommodations at the Plaza Ocean Club, food 
allowance, and a $119 pass to the Daytona 
International Speedway for January 29 to watch 
the debut of a vehicle equipped with a nonvisual 
interface allowing a blind person to drive for the first time independently.



The Blind Driver Challenge™ VIPs are listed below:



1.      Dana Ard

2.      Andrew Braun

3.      Patti Chang

4.      Mark Colasurdo

5.      William O. Jacobs

6.      Patricia Maurer

7.      John Paré

8.      Dwight Sayer

9.      Sue Sebranek

10. Kevan Worley





For more information about the Blind Driver 
Challenge™ and the Rolex 24 At Daytona, please 
visit <http://www.blinddriverchallenge.org/>www.blinddriverchallenge.org.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind


With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the 
blind led by the blind.  Please visit our Web 
site: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.







From empower at smart.net  Wed Dec 22 10:51:26 2010
From: empower at smart.net (Jamal Mazrui)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 04:51:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Version 3.0 of JAWS scripts for Mozilla Thunderbird
Message-ID: <auto-000187058272@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Executable installer
http://EmpowermentZone.com/tb_scr.exe

Zip archive for manual installation
http://EmpowermentZone.com/tb_scr.zip

The scripts and installer are intended to work with JAWS 10 and above on
Windows XP and above, either 32 or 64-bit.

Version 3.0
December 21, 2010

Made hotkeys for reading particular message fields work more reliably:
Alt+1 through Alt+5 for saying or spelling (when repeated) the From, To,
CC, BCC, or Subject fields.  Press Control+Shift+C to copy the last
field spoken to the clipboard.

Fixed the Page Urls command, Alt+P.  Note that depending on the number
of urls in the message, there may be a significant delay in extracting
them.  Repeat Alt+P quickly to virtualize the list.  Press Enter on an
item in the list to download it.

Previously, Alt+N or Alt+P could be used in an open message to go to the
next or prior message in the message list.  Now this may be done with
Alt+PageDown or Alt+PageUp.  Also, Alt+Period and Alt+Comma duplicate
this functionality.  A new variation uses Control rather than Alt and
opens the target message.  This is similar to how Control+Period and
Control+Comma work for navigating open messages in Microsoft Outlook or
Outlook Express.  Control+PageDown and Control+PageUp duplicate this.
Control+Slash may be used to read the currently open message instead of
navigating to another one.

Made the reading of message columns configurable.  Use the new Script
Options command, Alt+Shift+O, to define what columns in a message list
are automatically spoken.  An edit box lets you specify a sequence of
characters corresponding to the initial letters of one or more of the
following message fields to be spoken:  CC, From, Subject and To.  Use a
lower case letter to hear only the data in the field, if any.  Use an
upper case letter to hear the field label spoken before the field data.
   The default sequence is as follows:

fstC

This means that the From (sender) field will be spoken, followed by the
Subject field, and then the To (recipient) field.  Since these letters
are lower case, field labels will not be spoken before the data.  The
last letter, however, is a capital C, so if a CC recipient is found, the
word "CC" will be spoken before it.  This helps to differentiate CC from
To recipients when hearing a message summary in the list.

In order for the scripts to find certain fields (the To and CC fields),
Thunderbird must be configured to show the message preview pane.  This
may be toggled with the F8 key.  A new script attached to this key will
say either "Message Preview On" or "No Message Preview" depending on the
result of the toggle.

In case changes in this version of the scripts inadvertently reduce
functionality you experienced in the prior version, it is still
available at these locations:

Executable installer
http://EmpowermentZone.com/tb_scr29.exe

Zip archive
http://EmpowermentZone.com/tb_scr29.zip


Jamal




From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 12:23:27 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:23:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <036F759ACAD84B08BE96ABF063977848@Rufus>

What version of Office are you using?  Outlook is not difficult at all to
figure out if you're used to using the other Office products.  It can be
very keyboard friendly.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wooten
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:46 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager

Hello all,

I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.

Thanks,

-- 
Brian

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From jenny at hims-inc.com  Thu Dec 23 10:23:10 2010
From: jenny at hims-inc.com (Jenny Axler)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 04:23:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [HIMS-News] Announcing BookSense 2.2!
Message-ID: <auto-000183621833@mailfront2.g2host.com>


HIMS is pleased to announce the release of the BookSense software 
upgrade version 2.2. *** please read the below instructions in their 
entirety before attempting the update.



***, Please note: the upgrade process this time differs greatly for 
XT and Standard users. please make sure to follow the instructions 
for your particular BookSense model! Below you will find the following:

1, Instructions for updating BookSense XT.

2, instructions for updating BookSense standard.

3, List of changes/enhancements in this release.





1, For BookSense XT only!!

Please download new firmware from the below link.

* 
<http://www.himsintl.com/Upgrade/BookSenseXT_Eng_v22_101221.zip>http://www.himsintl.com/Upgrade/BookSenseXT_Eng_v22_101221.zip



* Caution (Only for the BookSense XT)

Please note the following:

1. Before upgrading your BookSense, please back up all the data from 
your flashdisk to your PC, and SD card, or USB memory stick as a 
format of the Flashdisk is required to complete the upgrade process, 
and the format will erase all your data.

2. Please note, the Upgrade procedure must be performed twice--this 
is not a misprint. Once the first upgrade is complete, you must 
repeat the upgrade process again for the firmware to install fully.

3. The Upgrade will take about 5 minutes. When the upgrade is 
complete, the BookSense XT will restart. So please do not press the 
reset button nor disconnect the AC adaptor during the upgrade process.

4. After you go through the upgrade process twice, you must format 
the flashdisk. (To do this, navigate to Format storage device under 
the global options Menu, and choose "Format Flashdisk")



Please follow the below instructions to upgrade your BookSense XT.

1. Download the zip file containing the firmware from the link above 
to your PC.

2. Extract the firmware file on your PC; please be sure it contains a 
folder and 4 files.

3. Copy the folder and 4 files from your PC and paste them into the 
root of your SD card.

* Please make sure that all the contents, a folder and 4 files, are 
placed in the root of the SD card.

4. Insert the SD card into the BookSense XT.

5. Connect the AC adaptor to the BookSense XT.

6. Power on the BookSense XT.

7. Press the MENU button and navigate to "Advanced options" using the 
Up or Down arrow.

8. Press the Right arrow to open the "Advanced options", you are 
placed on the "Upgrade firmware" option.

9. Press the Right arrow. You are asked "Do you want to upgrade? Yes".

10. Press the MENU or the OK button and the system will reboot and 
start upgrading.

11. When the 1st upgrade is complete, repeat the above steps 7 to 10.

12. When the 1st and 2nd upgrades are complete, you must format the 
flashdisk. To do this, press the Menu key and navigate to Global 
options using the Up or Down Arrow.

13. Press the Right Arrow to open, and use the Up or Down Arrow to 
navigate to "format Storage Device".

14. You are placed on the "format Flashdisk?" option. Press the Menu 
or OK key.

15. You are prompted that this will erase all data, and asked if you 
are sure. Press the OK key for each prompt.



* When the upgrade is complete, please check your system information 
to ensure that you are running firmware 2.2.



2, (BookSense_Standard)

Please download new firmware from the below link.

* 
<http://www.himsintl.com/Upgrade/BookSense_Eng_v22_101221.zip>http://www.himsintl.com/Upgrade/BookSense_Eng_v22_101221.zip



Please follow the below instructions to upgrade your BookSense.

1. Download the zip file containing the firmware from the link above 
to your PC.

2. Extract the firmware file on your PC; please be sure it contains a 
file with a .bin extension.

3. Copy the file from your PC and paste it into the root of your SD card.

* Please make sure the .bin file , is placed in the root of the SD card.

4. Insert the SD card into the BookSense.

5. Connect the AC adaptor to the BookSense.

6. Power on the BookSense.

7. Press the MENU button and navigate to "Advanced options" using the 
Up or Down arrow.

8. Press the Right arrow to open the "Advanced options", you are 
placed on the "Upgrade firmware" option.

9. Press the Right arrow. You are asked "Do you want to upgrade? Yes".

10. Press the MENU or the OK button and the system will reboot and 
start upgrading.



* When the upgrade is complete, please check your system information 
to ensure that you are running firmware 2.2.



--------------------------------------------------------------------

3, Changes in the BookSense Firmware from 2.1 to 2.2

--------------------------------------------------------------------

++ Common

-. Fixed the system down problem due to the characteristic of 
flashdisk memory. (XT only)

-. Fixed the unexpected error symptom in flashdisk while recording or 
copying the contents from PC into the flashdisk. (XT only)

-. Fixed the problem that the BookSense can't recognize the CD-ROM 
when you turn on the BookSense with connected both CD-ROM and SD card.

-. Added an error message when you try to add or delete mark, record 
voice to (from) the locked SD card.

-. Added 'effect sound setting' under advanced options which allows 
you to select the following options power signal (signal, message, or 
disable) and warning sound (enable or disable).

-. "MARK" and "PLAYLIST" folder will be created when playing contents.



++ Media Player

-. Added 'preamp' to the unit to move by: The volume will be 
increased or decreased in the Media Player. So users can select the 
volume of their preference, much louder than maximum volume of the BookSense.



++ Document Reader

-. Added a feature to remember the last reading speed. (Only in the 
Document Reader).

-. Added a feature to read unprotected e-books (epub).

-. Fixed the problem where moving by page did not work correctly in 
some documents.



++ Daisy Player

-. Fixed the problem where moving by page did not work correctly in 
some daisy books.

-. Added 'preamp' to the unit to move by: The volume will be 
increased or decreased for the audio daisy. So users can select the 
volume of their preference, much louder than maximum volume of the 
BookSense. (useful for audio books that play at a much softer volume 
than the text to speech)

-. Added a feature to read Open Library content.

-. Fixed the  problem of sluggishness when moving by page, heading 
and level in some Bookshare books.



++ Radio (XT only)

-. Fixed the problem that the mute mode is released when changing 
internal speaker setting from disable to enable.

-. "Internal speakers setting" will not be displayed without 
connecting headphones to the BookSense.


Jenny Axler
Technical Support Specialist
Hims, inc.
4616 West Howard Lane, Suite 960
Austin, Texas 78728
Phone: 512-837-2000
email: <mailto:Jenny at hims-inc.com>Jenny at hims-inc.com
Web: <http://www.hims-inc.com>www.hims-inc.com



From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Dec 23 11:28:40 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 05:28:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Announcing Patch 12.03 for K1000
Message-ID: <auto-000187236192@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Stephen Baum" <Steve at kurzweiledu.com>
>
>We have just released Patch 12.03 of Kurzweil 1000. If you are 
>currently using Patch 12, 12.01, or 12.03, and can run Kurzweil 1000 
>as an administrator, please use the Online->Update mechanism to 
>download and install the latest patch. You can also get the patch 
>from our FTP site. The URL is 
><ftp://ftp.kurzweiledu.com/pub/kurzweil1000/version120/patches/k1000patch1203.exe>ftp://ftp.kurzweiledu.com/pub/kurzweil1000/version120/patches/k1000patch1203.exe
>
>Release notes, which are also in the patch and will be placed in 
>your General folder as patch12-03.txt, follow.
>
>December 21st, 2010.
>
>This is the third patch for version 12 of the Kurzweil 1000. It 
>should only be run on a system that contains Kurzweil 1000, version 
>12, version 12.01, or version 12.02. Administrative privileges will 
>be required, and Kurzweil 1000 should not be running when this patch 
>is run. Typically, the patch is downloaded from within Kurzweil 
>1000,and automatically run when one exits from the product. As an 
>alternative, it can be downloaded from our web site 
>(http://www.kurzweiledu.com) or our FTP site (try 
>ftp://ftp.kurzweiledu.com/pub/kurzweil1000/version120/patches).
>
>This patch is cumulative, in that it includes all changes introduced 
>in patches 12.01 and 12.02. as well as some new ones.
>
>Changes introduced by Patch 12.03.
>
>(1)          Support for ABiSee Imaging Devices.
>
>ABiSee Incorporated manufactures and sells Zoom-Ex, Zoom-Twix, and 
>Eye-Pal. Each of these devices uses an electronic camera to take an 
>image of a page. With the active assistance of ABiSee Incorporated, 
>Kurzweil 1000 can now acquire images from those devices. If you have 
>any of the specified devices on your system, and if you have 
>successfully installed the software from ABiSee that accompanies 
>those devices, you will find that a scanner source named "ABiSee 
>Imaging Device" is listed among your other scanner sources in the 
>Scanner Settings dialog. If you select it, you will be able to 
>acquire and recognize pages using that device within Kurzweil 1000. 
>Scanner Margins, Resolution, and Brightness are not available when 
>an ABiSee Imaging Device is selected. You'll find that Scan 
>Repeatedly works, and that, like ABiSee's own products, an image 
>will be taken only when no motion is detected by the camera.
>
>See http://www.abisee.com for information about ABiSee and its products.
>
>(2)          Scanner Settings Dialog Changes.
>
>If a scanner has not already been initialized, certain fields in 
>this dialog were disabled. If you tabbed down to those fields, the 
>scanner was initialized automatically and those fields were then enabled.
>This confused people who could see the screen, so all of those 
>fields are now enabled, but the options that they contain depend 
>upon which scanner source is selected, and whether or not that 
>scanner has been initialized.
>If the scanner source is altered, or if you choose to modify a field 
>that requires the scanner to be initialized, it will be 
>automatically initialized and the available options refreshed.
>
>(3)          Language Identification.
>
>If you choose to identify the language once per page, that 
>identification was done only when a page was turned by reading 
>continuously, or when you chose to go to a particular page. Now it 
>is also done whenever you choose to start reading at the top of a page.
>
>(4)          Audio File Creation for Selected Text.
>
>If you selected some text, and then chose to create audio files, a 
>crash could occur.
>Now you are appropriately given the opportunity to create the audio 
>file with just the selection, with a range of pages, or with the entire file.
>
>(5)          Opening a read-only file.
>
>Opening a text or RTF file that was read-only, or that was in a 
>read-only directory (such as on a CD), did not work. This has been fixed.
>
>(6)          Online Book or Magazine Search.
>
>Sometimes it was difficult to select items for download from the 
>search dialogs, as they could react to the pressing of an enter key 
>done before the dialog was actually displayed. This has been fixed.
>
>(7)          Vertical Scroll.
>
>Kurzweil 1000 scrolls text as it is being read. Scrolling was 
>occuring more frequently than one might like, sometimes making it 
>difficult to follow the words as they were spoken. This has been fixed.
>
>(8)          Errors during Shut Down.
>
>Shutting down, particularly when multiple files were open, would 
>sometimes resulted in error messages. At least some causes of these 
>have been fixed.
>
>(9)          Polish and Arabic speech.
>
>Support for the Polish language as well as the Arabic alphabet was 
>added for SAPI 5 speech engines. Please note that we do not have 
>speech engines for Arabic in-house, so testing of this has been limited.
>
>(10)        Accessing folders within ZIP files.
>
>It was sometimes difficult to access files that were within folders 
>within a ZIP file. This issue was exposed when attempting to open a 
>particular Gutenberg file. This has been fixed.
>
>(11)        Audio Spooler Monitor Dialog.
>
>A number of minor fixes were made to this dialog, which did not 
>report things properly when using DAISY files or playing lists.
>
>(12)        Two-Page Mode for Color Images.
>
>Two-page mode when used for color images was not working properly. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(13)        Dictionary Dialog.
>
>A crash bug in the dictionary dialog has been fixed.
>
>(14)        Scanner Margins.
>
>Changing anything in a settings dialog would disable scanner 
>margins. This has been fixed.
>
>(15)        CD Burning.
>
>The menu functions "Starting a Burn", "Remove Files", and "Erase CD" 
>were broken. They have been fixed.
>
>(16)        Gutenberg Book Search.
>
>Changes were made to the web site that supports Gutenberg's online 
>repository. This release contains changes to allow for continued 
>access to that site through our online books search mechanism. Note 
>that this particular change was also available in the patch titled 
>GutenFix061510.
>
>(17)        Find and Open.
>
>If you used Escape to cancel from the Find and Open dialog, a new 
>blank document would open. This has been fixed.
>
>(18)        Cutting and Pasting a Page.
>
>If you cut a page from a document that did not contain images, and 
>then pasted it back, you would find that the pasted page contained 
>an image. If you then tried to extract or view the image, you would 
>find that it did not contain a usable image. This has been fixed.
>
>(19)        Folders within ZIP files.
>
>ZIP files are treated as though they were folders in the Kurzweil 
>1000 user interface, but subfolders within them were not handled 
>properly in version 12. They could not be readily created or 
>deleted, and access to files within subfolders was not consistent. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(20)        Shifting Cursors.
>
>If you had multiple files open, and you started speech in one, then, 
>without stopping speech, switched to another, your cursor position 
>in the file you just switched to might have been changed. This has been fixed.
>
>(21)        Keyboard Focus on Product Startup.
>
>On some systems, Kurzweil 1000 would begin speaking before it had 
>keyboard focus. If you immediately pressed a key, you would find 
>that you were in some other application. This was due to the fact 
>that we were building a list of available scanners in the 
>background. Kurzweil 1000 now does that only when needed - that is, 
>when you begin your first scan, or when you attempt to use the 
>scanner settings dialog.
>
>(22)        File Rename.
>
>If you attempt to rename a file and only change the case of one or 
>more of the letters in the file name, the rename would fail. This 
>has been fixed.
>
>(23)        Verbosity Settings.
>
>When you moved from one event to another in this dialog, the status 
>of the event would begin to be spoken. This was almost immediately 
>cut off by the name of the event, but people with better ears than 
>those attached to the heads of our engineers let us know about this. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(24)        Zombie Processes.
>
>Under some circumstances, an application can close all of its 
>windows, but still remain active. This was happening to Kurzweil 
>1000 if it was shut down while recognition was still in progress. 
>When you would later try to run Kurzweil 1000 again, it would not 
>run, as the new instance would notice that another instance was 
>already running. We have identified at least one of the ways in 
>which this was happening, and fixed it.
>
>Changes introduced by Patch 12.02.
>
>(1)          SCL Support.
>
>SCL and AccuPage are techniques used to drive some really ancient 
>Hewlett Packard scanners. Remarkably, they still work, but it 
>required a small change on our part.
>
>(2)          Use of a Document Feeder in Scanners that support Duplex.
>
>A different approach is needed when accessing pages from a document 
>feeder with TWAIN when the scanner supports Duplex. That approach 
>was broken in version 12 due to a compiler bug. We've worked around 
>that problem.
>
>(3)          FineReader OCR.
>
>Speckle removal was not working properly when the engine used was 
>FineReader. That has been fixed - and it should be noted that use of 
>this feature can significantly speed up recognition for some 
>documents. Along the way we changed something that was done in the 
>page orientation phase that also seems to speed up analysis 
>significantly on documents that contain a mixture of black on white 
>text along with white on black text.
>
>(4)          List Boxes and the Mouse.
>
>Kurzweil 1000 uses list boxes in an unusual manner. Many setting 
>choices are presented with a list box, but visually the box is just 
>tall enough to show one choice. People who use mice tend to click on 
>the scroll bar that is to the right of each of these list boxes to 
>move from one item to the next.
>Previous releases always selected the currently visible item in 
>response to this, but that was harder to do under .net. To simplify 
>the lives of our technical support staff when responding to a 
>mouse-using customer, we've added that feature back - use of a mouse 
>on a list box will now behave in a manner that is less confusing to 
>those of us who can see the screen.
>
>(5)          Cleaning Up after ScanSoft OCR.
>
>Kurzweil 1000 was failing to release control of each image file 
>after it was recognized by ScanSoft OCR, which made it impossible to 
>delete those files. The most obvious effect was that batch 
>recognition was failing to delete the image files after recognition. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(6)          Opening long lists of image files.
>
>If you attempted to open long lists of image files within the 
>Kurzweil 1000 File Open dialog by selecting them all (several 
>hundred), a numeric overflow exception would occur. This has been fixed.
>
>(7)          Web Service Change in Translations.
>
>Our translation facility relies on a web service, which changed 
>slightly. As a consequence, we needed to make a change as well to 
>keep the online translations feature working.
>
>Changes introduced by Patch 12.01.
>
>(1)          Crash in Tree View of File Open Dialog.
>
>If you changed focus to the list of folders in the Kurzweil 1000 
>File Open Dialog, then used left arrow to focus on a Drive letter, 
>and pressed the End key, the product would freeze. This has been fixed.
>
>(2)          Exiting from K1000 with Open Documents.
>
>Open documents were not always properly closed if you exited from 
>Kurzweil 1000 without first closing them. Note that no actual 
>problems have been detected in the files associated with those open 
>documents, but it seems better to close them properly.
>
>(3)          Wrong Item selected when level changed in Bookmarks dialog.
>
>You can change the level of a bookmark by selecting the bookmark in 
>the tree view of bookmarks, and then pressing Shift+Left or Right 
>arrow. Unfortunately, you could then find yourself positioned at 
>some other bookmark in the tree view. This was inconvenient and 
>unexpected, and has been fixed.
>
>
>(4)          Unable to load bookmark list twice.
>
>If you are in the Kurzweil 1000 file open dialog and have selected a 
>file that has bookmarks, pressing right arrow will bring up a list 
>of those bookmarks. Pressing left arrow will close that list. If you 
>then pressed right arrow again, you would be erroneously told that 
>the file had no bookmarks. This has been fixed.
>
>(5)          Shifting annotations.
>
>We found an example of a page in a KES file where a space would be 
>added before the first word of one line of the page each time the 
>page was rewritten. Since the page also had notes anchored to words 
>that followed that space, the notes would sometimes move to a 
>different word on the page. This has been fixed.
>
>(6)          Currency Recognition Dialog not speaking button name properly.
>
>If you entered the currency recognition dialog, waited until it 
>finished scanning and announced a result, and then pressed tab, the 
>control that you focused on would not speak. This has been fixed.
>
>(7)          Incorrect item in Sort list of the Poorly Recognized 
>Pages Dialog.
>
>The list that specifies the sort order for items in the poorly 
>recognized pages dialog had an incorrect message for one of its 
>options. This has been fixed.
>
>(8)          Incorrect items in Page Orientation List of the Settings Dialog.
>
>The list of options for page orientation in the scanner settings 
>dialog listed one of those options twice. This was somewhat 
>confusing, but worse, it effected the meaning of the selected item 
>if you chose an item at or beyond the repeated item. This has been fixed.
>
>(9)          Telephone Registration Dialog using Emphasis Voice.
>
>The first message in the telephone registration dialog was being 
>spoken with the emphasis voice. It now uses the reading voice.
>
>(10)        New User Wizard Topics should be Read Only.
>
>Topics presented using the New User Wizard are not modifiable. As it 
>turned out, though, the control used allowed changes. The changes 
>could not be saved, but they shouldn't have been allowed at all.
>
>(11)        Mark Description does not vocalize new line characters.
>
>The dialog used for bookmarks, hyperlinks, and notes allows you to 
>edit the description of those objects, and that description can 
>contain multiple lines. Unfortunately, when you typed the new line 
>character was not vocalized. It is now. Note that this also affects 
>the form fillout dialog.
>
>(12)        Command Line Open fails if Autoload Enabled.
>
>You can typically open a KES file by selecting it in Windows 
>Explorer, and then pressing enter. Unfortunately, this was not 
>working properly if you ran Kurzweil 1000 with AutoLoad enabled, and 
>if you had one or more files that would be automatically loaded. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(13)        Use conditional message when trying quick access to 
>Bookmarks for a
>PDF file
>
>If you pressed right arrow to access the bookmark list in a selected 
>file, and if that file was a PDF file, you were likely to be told 
>that the file had no bookmarks. Instead, you are now told that the 
>file may or may not have bookmarks, but that they cannot be easily 
>accessed. Kurzweil 1000 often can access those bookmarks once the 
>file has been opened and recognized.
>
>(14)        Spelling Errors in On-line help.
>
>A number of spelling errors have been fixed in the context sensitive 
>help messages.
>
>(15)        Registration and Time Zone Changes.
>
>Changing the Time Zone on your computer could cause Kurzweil 1000 to 
>forget that your product was registered. This has been fixed.
>
>(16)        Obtrusive message in the Bookmarks Dialog.
>
>If you removed all of the bookmarks from the tree view in the 
>bookmarks dialog, it would announce that there were no more 
>bookmarks in the current file. This message should be silenced if 
>you tab to another control, but it continued nonetheless. This has 
>been fixed. This also applies to the hyperlink and notes dialog.
>
>(17)        Context Menu Item in Windows Explorer.
>
>If you select a KES file in Windows Explorer and bring up the 
>context menu, the default item was named "Kurzweil 1000 File". It 
>will now have a more standard name describing its action - "Open 
>with Kurzweil 1000".
>
>(18)        Translation Dialog Issue.
>
>If you tabbed through the Translation dialog without first 
>specifying text that should be translated, the destination text box 
>would not speak when you tabbed to it. This has been fixed.
>
>(19)        Read-Only Text Boxes and Control+L.
>
>Read-only text boxes did not respond to Control+L, which should 
>spell the current word. This has been fixed.
>
>(20)        Batch Scanning Prefix doesn't respond to Escape or Enter 
>keystrokes.
>
>Escape should always cancel, and Enter should usually accept, a 
>form. Those keystrokes didn't work if the current control was the 
>Batch Scanning Prefix text box in the Scanner Settings Dialog. This 
>has been fixed.
>
>(21)        File Property Dialog misbehaves in some circumstances.
>
>If you opened the file property dialog for a KES file using 
>Alt+Enter from the file open dialog multiple times, it would behave 
>oddly, providing messages that were appropriate only for an open 
>file. This has been fixed.
>
>(22)        KOCRUtil fails to run.
>
>Several files that KOCRUtil depends upon were not installed. This 
>patch supplies them.
>
>(23)        Recently Opened Submenu.
>
>The recently opened submenu under the File menu was sometimes 
>unpopulated. This mainly occurred if your first action after 
>starting Kurzweil 1000 was to create a new file. This has been fixed.
>
>(24)        Case changes were ignored in the Edit Corrections dialog.
>
>If you made a change to the case sensitivity property for a 
>correction in the Edit Corrections dialog, the change was ignored. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(25)        Using a dialog box while scanning.
>
>If Kurzweil 1000 is being kept in the foreground while scanning is 
>in progress (this is an option in the scanner configuration 
>diagnostic, and it is usually enabled), and if you opened a dialog 
>box while scanning was in progress, focus would be shifted back to 
>the main product window, making it impossible to use the dialog. 
>This has been fixed.
>
>(26)        New Pronunciations.
>
>If the word to be pronounced and its replacement are identical in 
>the New Pronunciations dialog when you press enter, no pronunciation 
>is made. In the past, you would not have heard an error message, now 
>you will, and you will still be in that dialog.
>
>(27)        Launch Menu.
>
>If you had a file open, the applications normally listed in the 
>launch menu were suppressed. This is fixed.
>
>(28)        Overwriting an Audio File.
>
>If you created audio files starting with the same document name and 
>going to the same output folder three times, the third time would 
>overwrite the files created the second time. This has been fixed.
>
>(29)        Using SAPI-5 voices for languages that use different alphabets.
>
>Kurzweil 1000 did not speak languages such as Russian, Turkish, or 
>Greek properly if the selected voice used the SAPI-5 standard. This 
>has been fixed.
>
>(30)        Scanner Margins Dialog.
>
>Although it took some doing, it was possible to crash Kurzweil 1000 
>by entering large numbers into the numeric fields of the scanner 
>margins dialog. This has been fixed. It was also noted that the 
>message when an overly large scanner margin was rejected was not 
>spoken properly. That too has been fixed.
>
>(31)        Enabling Active Speech from a Settings File.
>
>If active speech is disabled in the configuration settings dialog, 
>and, in the same session, a settings file is loaded that enables 
>active speech, speech will remain disabled. This has been fixed.
>
>(32)        Audio Playlists.
>
>The code which actually creates iTunes and Media Player playlists, 
>and adds completed MP3 files to those playlists was inadvertantly 
>left out of the release. It's back.
>
>(33)        Registration Problem.
>
>If you attempt to register as a new user, some of the fields that 
>you need to use where left disabled. This has been fixed.
>
>(34)        Changing your Document Home.
>
>Changing the Document Home did not work properly. This has been fixed.
>
>Stephen Baum
>Vice President of Engineering
>Cambium Learning Technologies
>24 Prime Park Way, Suite 303, Natick, MA 01760
>781.276.0618
>



From AReid at browngold.com  Thu Dec 23 19:23:53 2010
From: AReid at browngold.com (Anna Reid)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 14:23:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CafeScribe?
Message-ID: <F0078745BDA1D442B9BA19143FEA66CD5126C7DAAD@BALT-X1-EXCH01.BGL.root>

Happy holidays everyone!

Do any of you have experience with CafeScribe? Do you know of any accessibility problems using CafeScribe e-textbooks?

Thanks for your help!

Anna Reid


From gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org  Thu Dec 23 20:18:07 2010
From: gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org (Greg)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:18:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CafeScribe?
In-Reply-To: <F0078745BDA1D442B9BA19143FEA66CD5126C7DAAD@BALT-X1-EXCH01.BGL.root>
References: <F0078745BDA1D442B9BA19143FEA66CD5126C7DAAD@BALT-X1-EXCH01.BGL.root>
Message-ID: <2FC02610B3204798B69C76D5E35B4DC9@GregsToshiba>

Hello,
They are not accessible at all.  The school I attend, DeVry university, uses 
cafe scribe books.  They are read through a program called MyScribe and the 
actual book is displayed as a graphic and not text.  MyScribe has a option 
to use tts to read it, but there is no control what soever.  There is no way 
to read line by line.  Now I believe if your school does not disable it 
there may be a way to copy and paste the book, but I am not one hundred 
percent sure on that.
Sincerely,
Greg W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anna Reid" <AReid at browngold.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:23 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] CafeScribe?


> Happy holidays everyone!
>
> Do any of you have experience with CafeScribe? Do you know of any 
> accessibility problems using CafeScribe e-textbooks?
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Anna Reid
>
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 23:19:31 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:19:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
In-Reply-To: <036F759ACAD84B08BE96ABF063977848@Rufus>
References: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com>
	<036F759ACAD84B08BE96ABF063977848@Rufus>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=qtTbDceZx58y5pu3SW4xirakBQ7OfT0O=gSRN@mail.gmail.com>

My suggestion is DaybyDay professional Planning Calendar. This is a
program made by a blind programmer specifically for use with JAWS,
though it also works with WindowEyes, and it works somewhat with NVDA.
It also has an address book and a reminder system.

This is the program that I use as a JAWS 10 user. It is an excellent
program, and i definitely recommend it. You can find it at
blindsoftware.com and it costs $40, though you can download a free
30-day trial from the website. I have been using the program for about
a year now, and can't live without it now! I keep track of doctors'
appointments, meetings with counsellors and teachers, meetings with
organizations, homework and reading assignments, holidays, birthdays,
and contact information.

My favourite thing about DaybyDay is the easy-to-learn hotkeys. They
are simple and logical, such as CTRL+A for adding a new note, CTRL+B
for going to the address book, and CTRL+P or N for going to the
previous or next day, as well as CTRL+T for going to the current day
(today). The programmer who created it also has four tutorial audio
files on the website for learning the hotkeys and functions of
DaybyDay.

Can't hurt to try it, and maybe you'll like it so much that you buy
it, like I did!

On 12/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> What version of Office are you using?  Outlook is not difficult at all to
> figure out if you're used to using the other Office products.  It can be
> very keyboard friendly.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wooten
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:46 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
> easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
> overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
> good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
> are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Brian
>
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-- 
~Jewel
Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com


From gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org  Fri Dec 24 00:24:43 2010
From: gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org (Greg)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 19:24:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=qtTbDceZx58y5pu3SW4xirakBQ7OfT0O=gSRN@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com><036F759ACAD84B08BE96ABF063977848@Rufus>
	<AANLkTi=qtTbDceZx58y5pu3SW4xirakBQ7OfT0O=gSRN@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85521BA00D644C1F896C3ED50534CC5F@GregsToshiba>

Hello,
Does it work on Windows seven?  It sounds like an interesting program.
Thanks,
Greg Wocher
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Homework manager


> My suggestion is DaybyDay professional Planning Calendar. This is a
> program made by a blind programmer specifically for use with JAWS,
> though it also works with WindowEyes, and it works somewhat with NVDA.
> It also has an address book and a reminder system.
>
> This is the program that I use as a JAWS 10 user. It is an excellent
> program, and i definitely recommend it. You can find it at
> blindsoftware.com and it costs $40, though you can download a free
> 30-day trial from the website. I have been using the program for about
> a year now, and can't live without it now! I keep track of doctors'
> appointments, meetings with counsellors and teachers, meetings with
> organizations, homework and reading assignments, holidays, birthdays,
> and contact information.
>
> My favourite thing about DaybyDay is the easy-to-learn hotkeys. They
> are simple and logical, such as CTRL+A for adding a new note, CTRL+B
> for going to the address book, and CTRL+P or N for going to the
> previous or next day, as well as CTRL+T for going to the current day
> (today). The programmer who created it also has four tutorial audio
> files on the website for learning the hotkeys and functions of
> DaybyDay.
>
> Can't hurt to try it, and maybe you'll like it so much that you buy
> it, like I did!
>
> On 12/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>> What version of Office are you using?  Outlook is not difficult at all to
>> figure out if you're used to using the other Office products.  It can be
>> very keyboard friendly.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their 
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wooten
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:46 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
>> easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
>> overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
>> good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
>> are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Brian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>> info for nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco
>> %40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> -- 
> ~Jewel
> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Fri Dec 24 14:08:35 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:08:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness Blog reminder
Message-ID: <5E1682358E06498E8F0CD9936774EE37@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hello, Everyone.  Just reminding all of you to check out the Blindness Blog each week. This week's blog talks about why it is important to learn alternative techniques even if one possesses some vision. I hope you enjoy it, and I hope all of you have a donderful Christmas and vacation, if indeed you are having one. 
www.blindnessblog.blogspot.com
Anita
Remember, Jesus Loves You.
Anita Adkins
81 E. Mechanic ST
APT 207
Frostburg, MD 21532
p: 301-689-5212
c: 301-876-8669
aadkins7 at verizon.net

From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 24 19:06:57 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:06:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
In-Reply-To: <85521BA00D644C1F896C3ED50534CC5F@GregsToshiba>
References: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com>
	<036F759ACAD84B08BE96ABF063977848@Rufus>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTi=0RxcKuJTh-eD1bnEBsPNz-VgJu7+FTHs7VJ8F@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Greg,
Yes, DaybyDay works with Windows 7. My boyfriend tried it on his
laptop with Windows Vista, then updated his laptop to Windows 7, and
it worked with both. You can always download a trial version onto your
computer from www.blindsoftware.com if you aren't sure if it'll be
what you want and try it for a month. If it's not what you want, just
delete it and go on to something else, and if you want it, purchase
the code and you don't have to re-download the program, just add the
code to the program and it'll be authorized for the full version. The
best feature of the demo version is that it is a full version, just
timed. It won't keep some features out of reach, nor will it delete
the entries you made during the demo if you buy the full version.
Should you try it, then let it lapse, then buy it...when you enter the
code, all the notes, reminders, and contacts that you entered during
the demo will be there. There is even an easy way to copy the files
from the Program Files of your computer to move your calendar's
information to another computer (purchasing the code gives you two
licenses, I think).

I absolutely love DaybyDay and have recommended it to blind and
sighted people alike (yes, it has a visual interface, so it is fully
accessible to the sighted as well as people who use ZoomText or
another magnifying program). My psychology professor had confessed
that she had trouble keeping track on a hardcopy (paper) planner, and
I told her about DaybyDay. She was excited and said she'd try it; she
is fully sighted. So, it really is a great program for a decent price.

Hope you try it,

On 12/23/10, Greg <gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> Does it work on Windows seven?  It sounds like an interesting program.
> Thanks,
> Greg Wocher
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>
>
>> My suggestion is DaybyDay professional Planning Calendar. This is a
>> program made by a blind programmer specifically for use with JAWS,
>> though it also works with WindowEyes, and it works somewhat with NVDA.
>> It also has an address book and a reminder system.
>>
>> This is the program that I use as a JAWS 10 user. It is an excellent
>> program, and i definitely recommend it. You can find it at
>> blindsoftware.com and it costs $40, though you can download a free
>> 30-day trial from the website. I have been using the program for about
>> a year now, and can't live without it now! I keep track of doctors'
>> appointments, meetings with counsellors and teachers, meetings with
>> organizations, homework and reading assignments, holidays, birthdays,
>> and contact information.
>>
>> My favourite thing about DaybyDay is the easy-to-learn hotkeys. They
>> are simple and logical, such as CTRL+A for adding a new note, CTRL+B
>> for going to the address book, and CTRL+P or N for going to the
>> previous or next day, as well as CTRL+T for going to the current day
>> (today). The programmer who created it also has four tutorial audio
>> files on the website for learning the hotkeys and functions of
>> DaybyDay.
>>
>> Can't hurt to try it, and maybe you'll like it so much that you buy
>> it, like I did!
>>
>> On 12/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> What version of Office are you using?  Outlook is not difficult at all to
>>> figure out if you're used to using the other Office products.  It can be
>>> very keyboard friendly.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wooten
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:46 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
>>> easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
>>> overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
>>> good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
>>> are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>> info for nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco
>>> %40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ~Jewel
>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
~Jewel
Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com


From gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org  Fri Dec 24 19:47:27 2010
From: gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org (Greg)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 14:47:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
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References: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com><036F759ACAD84B08BE96ABF063977848@Rufus><AANLkTi=qtTbDceZx58y5pu3SW4xirakBQ7OfT0O=gSRN@mail.gmail.com><85521BA00D644C1F896C3ED50534CC5F@GregsToshiba>
	<AANLkTi=0RxcKuJTh-eD1bnEBsPNz-VgJu7+FTHs7VJ8F@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1FD1A7CCBBD454EBC30A2415AD60BA3@GregsToshiba>

Hello,
It seems to work on my windows seven 64bit machine just fine.  One thing, in 
your message you said it was a 30day trial and costs 40 dollars.  On the 
website it says it is a 15day trial and costs 29.95.  Are there two 
different versions?  The one I downloaded was 2.0.
Thanks,
Greg W.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Homework manager


> Hi Greg,
> Yes, DaybyDay works with Windows 7. My boyfriend tried it on his
> laptop with Windows Vista, then updated his laptop to Windows 7, and
> it worked with both. You can always download a trial version onto your
> computer from www.blindsoftware.com if you aren't sure if it'll be
> what you want and try it for a month. If it's not what you want, just
> delete it and go on to something else, and if you want it, purchase
> the code and you don't have to re-download the program, just add the
> code to the program and it'll be authorized for the full version. The
> best feature of the demo version is that it is a full version, just
> timed. It won't keep some features out of reach, nor will it delete
> the entries you made during the demo if you buy the full version.
> Should you try it, then let it lapse, then buy it...when you enter the
> code, all the notes, reminders, and contacts that you entered during
> the demo will be there. There is even an easy way to copy the files
> from the Program Files of your computer to move your calendar's
> information to another computer (purchasing the code gives you two
> licenses, I think).
>
> I absolutely love DaybyDay and have recommended it to blind and
> sighted people alike (yes, it has a visual interface, so it is fully
> accessible to the sighted as well as people who use ZoomText or
> another magnifying program). My psychology professor had confessed
> that she had trouble keeping track on a hardcopy (paper) planner, and
> I told her about DaybyDay. She was excited and said she'd try it; she
> is fully sighted. So, it really is a great program for a decent price.
>
> Hope you try it,
>
> On 12/23/10, Greg <gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> Does it work on Windows seven?  It sounds like an interesting program.
>> Thanks,
>> Greg Wocher
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>>
>>
>>> My suggestion is DaybyDay professional Planning Calendar. This is a
>>> program made by a blind programmer specifically for use with JAWS,
>>> though it also works with WindowEyes, and it works somewhat with NVDA.
>>> It also has an address book and a reminder system.
>>>
>>> This is the program that I use as a JAWS 10 user. It is an excellent
>>> program, and i definitely recommend it. You can find it at
>>> blindsoftware.com and it costs $40, though you can download a free
>>> 30-day trial from the website. I have been using the program for about
>>> a year now, and can't live without it now! I keep track of doctors'
>>> appointments, meetings with counsellors and teachers, meetings with
>>> organizations, homework and reading assignments, holidays, birthdays,
>>> and contact information.
>>>
>>> My favourite thing about DaybyDay is the easy-to-learn hotkeys. They
>>> are simple and logical, such as CTRL+A for adding a new note, CTRL+B
>>> for going to the address book, and CTRL+P or N for going to the
>>> previous or next day, as well as CTRL+T for going to the current day
>>> (today). The programmer who created it also has four tutorial audio
>>> files on the website for learning the hotkeys and functions of
>>> DaybyDay.
>>>
>>> Can't hurt to try it, and maybe you'll like it so much that you buy
>>> it, like I did!
>>>
>>> On 12/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> What version of Office are you using?  Outlook is not difficult at all 
>>>> to
>>>> figure out if you're used to using the other Office products.  It can 
>>>> be
>>>> very keyboard friendly.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wooten
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:46 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
>>>> easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
>>>> overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
>>>> good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
>>>> are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>> info for nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco
>>>> %40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~Jewel
>>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gwblindman1%40gwblindman.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> -- 
> ~Jewel
> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 25 04:00:42 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:00:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
In-Reply-To: <B1FD1A7CCBBD454EBC30A2415AD60BA3@GregsToshiba>
References: <AANLkTimLV5TzZ2HdKSbavEYsXkLU4izmjLd0Pv6ZZmFn@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTi=qtTbDceZx58y5pu3SW4xirakBQ7OfT0O=gSRN@mail.gmail.com>
	<85521BA00D644C1F896C3ED50534CC5F@GregsToshiba>
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Ooops, I got the details wrong. Sorry! You're right.

On 12/24/10, Greg <gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> It seems to work on my windows seven 64bit machine just fine.  One thing, in
> your message you said it was a 30day trial and costs 40 dollars.  On the
> website it says it is a 15day trial and costs 29.95.  Are there two
> different versions?  The one I downloaded was 2.0.
> Thanks,
> Greg W.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2010 2:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>
>
>> Hi Greg,
>> Yes, DaybyDay works with Windows 7. My boyfriend tried it on his
>> laptop with Windows Vista, then updated his laptop to Windows 7, and
>> it worked with both. You can always download a trial version onto your
>> computer from www.blindsoftware.com if you aren't sure if it'll be
>> what you want and try it for a month. If it's not what you want, just
>> delete it and go on to something else, and if you want it, purchase
>> the code and you don't have to re-download the program, just add the
>> code to the program and it'll be authorized for the full version. The
>> best feature of the demo version is that it is a full version, just
>> timed. It won't keep some features out of reach, nor will it delete
>> the entries you made during the demo if you buy the full version.
>> Should you try it, then let it lapse, then buy it...when you enter the
>> code, all the notes, reminders, and contacts that you entered during
>> the demo will be there. There is even an easy way to copy the files
>> from the Program Files of your computer to move your calendar's
>> information to another computer (purchasing the code gives you two
>> licenses, I think).
>>
>> I absolutely love DaybyDay and have recommended it to blind and
>> sighted people alike (yes, it has a visual interface, so it is fully
>> accessible to the sighted as well as people who use ZoomText or
>> another magnifying program). My psychology professor had confessed
>> that she had trouble keeping track on a hardcopy (paper) planner, and
>> I told her about DaybyDay. She was excited and said she'd try it; she
>> is fully sighted. So, it really is a great program for a decent price.
>>
>> Hope you try it,
>>
>> On 12/23/10, Greg <gwblindman1 at gwblindman.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> Does it work on Windows seven?  It sounds like an interesting program.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
>>> To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>>>
>>>
>>>> My suggestion is DaybyDay professional Planning Calendar. This is a
>>>> program made by a blind programmer specifically for use with JAWS,
>>>> though it also works with WindowEyes, and it works somewhat with NVDA.
>>>> It also has an address book and a reminder system.
>>>>
>>>> This is the program that I use as a JAWS 10 user. It is an excellent
>>>> program, and i definitely recommend it. You can find it at
>>>> blindsoftware.com and it costs $40, though you can download a free
>>>> 30-day trial from the website. I have been using the program for about
>>>> a year now, and can't live without it now! I keep track of doctors'
>>>> appointments, meetings with counsellors and teachers, meetings with
>>>> organizations, homework and reading assignments, holidays, birthdays,
>>>> and contact information.
>>>>
>>>> My favourite thing about DaybyDay is the easy-to-learn hotkeys. They
>>>> are simple and logical, such as CTRL+A for adding a new note, CTRL+B
>>>> for going to the address book, and CTRL+P or N for going to the
>>>> previous or next day, as well as CTRL+T for going to the current day
>>>> (today). The programmer who created it also has four tutorial audio
>>>> files on the website for learning the hotkeys and functions of
>>>> DaybyDay.
>>>>
>>>> Can't hurt to try it, and maybe you'll like it so much that you buy
>>>> it, like I did!
>>>>
>>>> On 12/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> What version of Office are you using?  Outlook is not difficult at all
>>>>> to
>>>>> figure out if you're used to using the other Office products.  It can
>>>>> be
>>>>> very keyboard friendly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>>> sleeves,
>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wooten
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:46 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Homework manager
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am soliciting suggestions for a homework manager or calendar that is
>>>>> easy to use.  Of course it needs to be accessible.  I find Outlook
>>>>> overwhelming for a learning curve, unless someone can suggest a really
>>>>> good, simple user manual for it. All the books I have found on Outlook
>>>>> are hundreds of pages long. I just need a way to manage assignments.
>>>>>
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From humbertoa5369 at netzero.net  Wed Dec 29 03:05:54 2010
From: humbertoa5369 at netzero.net (humberto)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 19:05:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille IPA
Message-ID: <or5l1f00A2PutTY05r5lBk@netzero.net>

Hello, I have a question:
What is Braille IPA? I heard about it several times.  any answers 
are appreciated.


From knownoflove at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 03:38:17 2010
From: knownoflove at gmail.com (Miranda)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:38:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille IPA
Message-ID: <4d1aac3f.0644970a.0d5e.ffffead4@mx.google.com>

Hi,
Braille IPA is the Braille version of the International Phonetic Alphabet. One way this is useful is if you are a totally Blind singer of foreign pieces.
Thanks, and have a great day!

In Christ, Miranda

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Subject: [nabs-l] Braille IPA

Hello, I have a question:
What is Braille IPA? I heard about it several times.  any answers 
are appreciated.

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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 29 03:40:16 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 21:40:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille IPA
References: <or5l1f00A2PutTY05r5lBk@netzero.net>
Message-ID: <AF98BDE5018D4CCA81B3C0D3C52CB58A@D3DTZP41>

Hello Humberto:

     Braille IPA is braille notation for the International Phonetic 
Alphabet. Linguists are one group who use the IPA to show how words are 
pronounced.

Regards,

Robert


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Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2010 9:05 PM
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> Hello, I have a question:
> What is Braille IPA? I heard about it several times.  any answers are 
> appreciated.
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 18:47:22 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 13:47:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blind statistics
Message-ID: <EA39D9E94C724E86A8B1F2BEA09966C8@SonyPC>

I am working on an essay, and I am wondering where to find statistics on how many students who are blind from birth attend college, graduate from college, and then find jobs.  (US statistics preferred) I need your help ASAP. 

 

Thanks

Mark 


From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Wed Dec 29 19:12:40 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:12:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blind statistics
In-Reply-To: <EA39D9E94C724E86A8B1F2BEA09966C8@SonyPC>
References: <EA39D9E94C724E86A8B1F2BEA09966C8@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <A6865AB88DCC407D896619F77CC8F4F2@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hello,

You could do a search in google, using different terms that match what you 
want and using them in a different order.  When I typed in blind statistics, 
I got this link:
http://www.nfb.org/nfb/blindness_statistics.asp

Also, (and check it out because it had information on various age levels, 
but on adults, which I think you wanted)
http://www.afb.org/section.asp?SectionID=15

and
http://www.nei.nih.gov/eyedata/pbd_tables.asp

Those were the first three results; I'll not do more for now, but you can 
simply type in blindness statistics to find the rest if you like.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] blind statistics


>I am working on an essay, and I am wondering where to find statistics on 
>how many students who are blind from birth attend college, graduate from 
>college, and then find jobs.  (US statistics preferred) I need your help 
>ASAP.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
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From mbrianwooten at gmail.com  Fri Dec 31 00:52:12 2010
From: mbrianwooten at gmail.com (Brian Wooten)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:52:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 50, Issue 26
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References: <mailman.13.1293732008.31160.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=oduyNsO3oPov4tXrrDZMLm+aD7MQyLGLKRKdb@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend database searches. Those would include Academic
Search Premier (EBSCO), JSTOR, etc. These databases are a great
resource for articles, data *including stats) and scholarly journals.

Brian

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> I am working on an essay, and I am wondering where to find statistics on how
> many students who are blind from birth attend college, graduate from
> college, and then find jobs.  (US statistics preferred) I need your help
> ASAP.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:12:40 -0500
> From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blind statistics
> Message-ID: <A6865AB88DCC407D896619F77CC8F4F2 at AnitaAdkinsPC>
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> 	reply-type=original
>
> Hello,
>
> You could do a search in google, using different terms that match what you
> want and using them in a different order.  When I typed in blind statistics,
> I got this link:
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/blindness_statistics.asp
>
> Also, (and check it out because it had information on various age levels,
> but on adults, which I think you wanted)
> http://www.afb.org/section.asp?SectionID=15
>
> and
> http://www.nei.nih.gov/eyedata/pbd_tables.asp
>
> Those were the first three results; I'll not do more for now, but you can
> simply type in blindness statistics to find the rest if you like.  Anita
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
> To: <Undisclosed-Recipient:;>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 1:47 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] blind statistics
>
>
>>I am working on an essay, and I am wondering where to find statistics on
>>how many students who are blind from birth attend college, graduate from
>>college, and then find jobs.  (US statistics preferred) I need your help
>>ASAP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mark
>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Dec 31 05:07:00 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:07:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Does Anyone KNow of A Blind Speech Language Pathologist?
Message-ID: <auto-000188068770@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Kathy McGillivray" <kjm at usfamily.net>
>To: "Human Services Mailing List" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2010 21:13:54 -0600 (CST)
>Subject: [humanser] Does Anyone KNow of A Blind Speech Language Pathologist?
>
>Hi. I got a call from a disability services director last week who 
>is working with a blind student who is training to be a 
>speech/language  pathologist. Do any of you know of someone who is 
>blind who is currently in that field who may be open to a student 
>contacting them about accommodations and adaptive strategies? Thanks.
>
>Peace,
>Kathy McGillivray
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