[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 28
Jennifer Applegate
jlastar at comcast.net
Sun Feb 28 07:20:51 UTC 2010
I had to purchase another laptop at the beginning of last semester, as the
screen went out on my laptop that I use for college. I ended up with
purchasing a mini notebook by asues from best buy for $300, and it had a
trial of microsoft office 2007 for 60 days on it. I purchased a student
version of the software from microsoft for $59 about the time it ran out.
Initially I was hesitant about purchasing it, as it did not have jaws on it
or a disk drive to load jaws. However my brother is a techy person and used
an external disk drive to load my jaws software onto the notebook. So I
spent a total of $360, and it has been great for college purposes,
especially when someone sighted needs to look at the screen to help me.
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> 1. Re: Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
> (Kevin Fjelsted)
> 2. questions about e-college (Maryann Migliorelli)
> 3. Re: Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
> (Kevin Fjelsted)
> 4. Delayed Mail (Joe Orozco)
> 5. Re: Delayed Mail (Serena)
> 6. Fw: March Issue Now Available (V Nork)
> 7. Re: Delayed Mail (Nicole B. Torcolini)
> 8. Re: Delayed Mail (Courtney Stover)
> 9. Re: Delayed Mail (Rania )
> 10. Re: Delayed Mail (Meghan Whalen)
> 11. Blind People Owning Guns (Robert Spangler)
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> 13. Re: Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
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> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:43:35 -0600
> From: Kevin Fjelsted <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
> school?
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> There are a number of resources that will give a perspective on using
> the mac. One web resource that I find helpful is
> http://www.lioncourt.com/.
> I have a few entries on my blog at http://www.kfjelsted.com/ which
> describe my personal experience.
> It is also important to keep in mind that if one utilizes a Mac one
> can run Windows within that Mac platform. THis is not true if one
> picks a Windows platform I.E., there is a huge advantage by utilizing
> a Mac platform over a WIndows platform from a flexibility perspective.
>
> I think it is a very powerful statement when the former Vice President
> of Software Engineering in charge of JAWS development for Freedom
> Scientific is now using a Mac almost exclusively.
> Another factor worth considering is that JAWS is languishing and
> appears to be getting bugler and bugler as time goes on. Unless there
> is a major effort to turn things around the JAWS screen reader will
> run out of steam very soon. THis is a separate issue so if JAWS is
> being compared to be fair one should compare some of the other Windows
> screen readers.
> -Kevin
> On 2/25/10, Christopher Wright <chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Corbb,
>> As someone who is following Mac-related developments, as much as
>> possible,
>> I'd like to know what brings you to that conclusion.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
>> school?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Sally,
>>>
>>> I'll probably initiate a firestorm with this comment, but I'll say it
>>> anyway. I'm a blind user of the Mac, and love it. But if I didn't have
>>> any residual vision, I'd be a JAWS user. I find that more programs are
>>> accessible with JAWS on the Windows operating system, and that it's
>>> just
>>> easier to use. That said, if your son has remaining vision and uses a
>>> magnification software to see the screen, then go for the Mac. It's
>>> built-in, and very good. Combine that with VoiceOver, the built- in
>>> screen
>>>
>>> reader on the Mac, and he'll be in good shape. But, if it's easier for
>>> him to use the screen reader than squint to see the screen, then I'd
>>> say
>>> Windows.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps -- and I'm happy to answer more questions!
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> Senior, The George Washington University
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sally Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm the parent of a blind 13 year old. He tells me that the screen
>>> reader on the MacBook is great and that it is better than using a
>>> Windows
>>>
>>> computer with JAWS. I'm curious whether or not this is true. Have any
>>> of you used both? How do they compare? Which do you prefer? Any
>>> insight you have would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Sally Thomas
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:19:21 -0700
> From: "Maryann Migliorelli" <mrsmigs at migliorelli.org>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "Colorado Association of Blind Students List"
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> Subject: [nabs-l] questions about e-college
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> Hello Fellow students,
> I'm wondering if anyone is using e-college for your online classes. If
> so, what screen reader are you using and where did you get whatever
> scripts you needed to make it work. Also, is anyone using my-scribe for
> your online textbooks? Is there another preferred puff bookreader with
> the same features?
> Thanks for any help given. I'm investigating accessibility at Devry
> University.
> Maryann Migliorelli
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:28:05 -0600
> From: Kevin Fjelsted <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
> school?
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> I did a quick check using retail online pricing.
> The JAWS professional software costs $1,095.00 at the Freedom
> Scientific online store.
> THen in order to keep current there is a yearly SMA cost of $260.00.
> Since Apple has not released a NetBook we cannot compare Netbooks.
> HOwever Apple will begin selling the IPad at the end of March for $499
> which will be comparable and better than a Netbook. The IPad will
> have the same accessibility using VoiceOver as the IPhone at no extra
> cost.
> A non-Netbook WIndows laptop can be had for say $550 retail.
> If one then adds screen reading software plus a productivity suite it
> would seem that we are at least $1800 for a system.
>
> The Macbook laptop costs $999 retail.
>
> With the Macbook one already has built-in accessibility plus core
> productivity functions including mail, text processing, address
> management, and calendaring. One can add IWOrk for the Mac at $80 and
> get Pages (word processor compatible with Microsoft WOrd) Numbers
> (spreadsheet compatible with Excel) and Keynote (presentations
> including powerpoint compatibility).
>
> The Apple Mac Mini can be purchased for $599.00. The Mini is a 2
> pound very small system that is not battery powered. I use the Mini
> because I can throw it in a backpack and it takes up about the quarter
> of the room of a laptop.
> THe cool thing is that one doesn't need to attach a monitor if one
> attaches a very short Apple provided converter cable to the Mini.
>
> In the pricing discussions it is important to focus not only on the
> hardware but the software as well.
>
> On 2/26/10, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>> Sally,
>>
>> Please allow me to both agree with Darrell and maybe muddy the waters
>> further. It the school uses MACS, it may still be wise to see what
>> software
>> they are using on
>> the MACS to determine if it is accessible. For example, if a school
>> makes
>> heavy use of Microsoft Office on the MAC, a blind student might be better
>> off with a
>> Windows computer with Microsoft Office installed as Microsoft Word is, to
>> my
>> knowledge, not accessible on the MAC. In other words, the hardware and
>> the
>> software must both be considered. What is the school using for class web
>> sites, and can web sites be used with one computer better than the other?
>> These are
>> not questions that will necessarily give MAC or Windows the upper hand,
>> but
>> they need to be explored since he'll be in that school system for a few
>> years to come.
>>
>> I don't think any objective person would try to say that either MAC or
>> Windows are flat out better because it is more complicated than that. At
>> this point, there are
>> more accessible applications running on Windows, but one doesn't run "all
>> accessible applications" only the ones they are interested in, so if what
>> he
>> needs to do
>> on the MAC is accessible, then it may not matter. Apple, on the other
>> hand,
>> has more control over the applications written for the MAC, so in some
>> cases,
>> accessibility is probably more stable. I say all this only to illustrate
>> the complexity.
>>
>> VoiceOver is included with the MAC as has been said. However, when
>> buying
>> computers for my kids, I found that MACBooks were substantially more
>> expensive
>> than Windows laptops. One can argue correctly that you might get more,
>> but
>> the fact remains that you will probably pay more. A Windows laptop with
>> a
>> screen
>> reader will likely cost you more, though, than a MACBook, in all
>> fairness,
>> but at least when I looked, the total costs made the fact that VoiceOver
>> was
>> included
>> somewhat less significant. This may have changed, though.
>>
>> These are not the kind of clear answers you are looking for, but please
>> ask
>> if you have more questions.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:45:41 -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Sally,
>>
>>>As with many things inside and outside the assistive technology arena, a
>>>judgment of which solution is the "best" for any particular application
>>>can
>>>be subjective.
>>>
>>>If your son is able to complete his school work on terms of equality with
>>>his sighted peers, then the solution is best for his needs. If he is not,
>>>then, perhaps, some modification is in order.
>>
>>>Many schools continue to rely on Apple for all or most of their
>>>technology,
>>>so your son's ability to use the same computer as other kids at school is
>>>probably a big help to him, his teachers and the school's support staff.
>>
>>>On the other hand, if the school relies on Windows, then he might want to
>>>consider switching to a screen reader like System Access, Window-Eyes or
>>>JAWS.
>>
>>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>>Regards,
>>
>>>Darrell
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>Of Sally Thomas
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:34 PM
>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
>>
>>>Hi,
>>
>>>I'm the parent of a blind 13 year old. He tells me that the screen
>>>reader
>>>on the MacBook is great and that it is better than using a Windows
>>>computer
>>>with JAWS. I'm curious whether or not this is true. Have any of you
>>>used
>>>both? How do they compare? Which do you prefer? Any insight you have
>>>would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>>Sally Thomas
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> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:59:14 -0500
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
> but
> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
> the
> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
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> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:54:33 -0500
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
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> I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
> Verizon, not gmail.
>
> Serena
>
>
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>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>> but
>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>> the
>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
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>>I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
>>Verizon, not gmail.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
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>>
>>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the
>>> NFBNet
>>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>>> but
>>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>>> the
>>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>>
>>> Joe Orozco
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
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> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:32:36 -0600
> From: Courtney Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>
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> Hi all:
>
> I, too, am receiving delayed mail. Because of the variety of servers,
> I'm thinking it has to be the NFB servers.
> Courtney
>
> On 2/27/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Ditto. Sometimes, I also receive the reply before the original email.
>> It's
>> not just this list; it also happens on the other two NFB hosted lists to
>> which I am subscribed.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>
>>
>>>I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
>>>Verizon, not gmail.
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the
>>>> NFBNet
>>>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>>>> but
>>>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my
>>>> Gmail,
>>>> the
>>>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>>>
>>>> Joe Orozco
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:22:27 -0800
> From: "Rania " <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
> Message-ID: <4b890e8e.86c3f10a.428e.ffffbdd9 at mx.google.com>
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> The same thing happends to me too.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:22 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
> Ditto. Sometimes, I also receive the reply before the original email. It's
> not just this list; it also happens on the other two NFB hosted lists to
> which I am subscribed.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
>
>>I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
>>Verizon, not gmail.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>
>>
>>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the
>>> NFBNet
>>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>>> but
>>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>>> the
>>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>>
>>> Joe Orozco
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>>> signature
>>> database 4899 (20100226) __________
>>>
>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>>
>>> http://www.eset.com
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:00:02 -0600
> From: Meghan Whalen <mewhalen at wisc.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
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> I'm having the same problem.
>
> Meghan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:59 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
>
>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>> but
>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>> the
>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>>
>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus
>> signature
>> database 4899 (20100226) __________
>>
>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>>
>> http://www.eset.com
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:07:36 -0500
> From: Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
> Message-ID:
> <19ccaa051002270807m7c1034fbqc7746c39bd536bcf at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
> guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
> with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
> Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Robert Spangler
> The University of Toledo
> Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
> Arts and Sciences
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:14:32 -0600
> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
> Message-ID: <5434D1A3166D4869AA5760396B59E81E at D3DTZP41>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hello:
>
> I know of two blind hunters. I presume they own their own firearms and
> transport them. I would think the bigger issue would be could the
> individual
> use a weapon. Blind hunters have sighted people help them aim.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Jaquiss, President
> Greater Ouachita Chapter
> National Federation of the Blind
> Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Spangler" <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:07 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
>> guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
>> with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
>> Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Robert Spangler
>> The University of Toledo
>> Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
>> Arts and Sciences
>>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:58:41 -0600
> From: Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
> school?
> Message-ID: <3EFF48F7-C5ED-4D0E-9066-5992189B1E20 at gmail.com>
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>
> I'm also a Mac user, and I can say that it would've been awesome to have
> access to this technology in high school. Being able to use any of the
> computers my sighted peers were using would've have been more convenient
> on many fronts.
>
> Good luck,
> BrileyOn Feb 25, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Maurice Mines wrote:
>
>> hi I am a mac user and i use a braille desplay. and seem to be fine.
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sally,
>>>
>>> I'll probably initiate a firestorm with this comment, but I'll say it
>>> anyway. I'm a blind user of the Mac, and love it. But if I didn't have
>>> any residual vision, I'd be a JAWS user. I find that more programs are
>>> accessible with JAWS on the Windows operating system, and that it's just
>>> easier to use. That said, if your son has remaining vision and uses a
>>> magnification software to see the screen, then go for the Mac. It's
>>> built-in, and very good. Combine that with VoiceOver, the built-in
>>> screen reader on the Mac, and he'll be in good shape. But, if it's
>>> easier for him to use the screen reader than squint to see the screen,
>>> then I'd say Windows.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps -- and I'm happy to answer more questions!
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> Senior, The George Washington University
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sally Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm the parent of a blind 13 year old. He tells me that the screen
>>> reader on the MacBook is great and that it is better than using a
>>> Windows computer with JAWS. I'm curious whether or not this is true.
>>> Have any of you used both? How do they compare? Which do you prefer?
>>> Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Sally Thomas
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